Speaker 1: This is pod popular podcast for the people the Great
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Speaker 2: It's a great love debase. Hey guys, So a few
Speaker 2: weeks ago I told everyone that I was going through
Speaker 2: I don't know, a bit of a health challenge and
Speaker 2: I have to have some surgery. So while I never
Speaker 2: miss releasing an episode ten years, ten years, five hundred episodes,
Speaker 2: I never miss uh, it means that every once in
Speaker 2: a while I might have to drop a rerun and
Speaker 2: revisit some of the episodes that still resonate or they're
Speaker 2: still relevant, and that we may need to do a
Speaker 2: bit of a rewind to look back on. Today's one
Speaker 2: of those. This is one of those episodes. I really
Speaker 2: liked it. I stand by all of it. And to
Speaker 2: answer the question that you might have at the end
Speaker 2: of it, is there a girl? Oh yeah, there's a girl.
Speaker 2: She knows she's the girl, she will always be the girl,
Speaker 2: and she's the reason I want to release this one again.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's cryptic, maybe that's a tease, but anyway, maybe
Speaker 2: we will enjoy it again if you heard it for
Speaker 2: the first time back when we released it the first time.
Speaker 2: If not, let's take a walk down the aisle on
Speaker 2: this one together. Hi again, everyone, it's Brian Howie. Welcome
Speaker 2: to the Great Love Debate, the world's number one dating
Speaker 2: a relationship podcast since twenty fifteen. I am back here
Speaker 2: in the very fine and fancy studios of Pod Popular
Speaker 2: Podcasts for the people. I'm sitting on a couch. It's
Speaker 2: very luxurious. I'm at the one in Boca Raton, Florida,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna I'm gonna read you a list of
Speaker 2: a bunch of celebrities, famous people, mostly actors, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna guess at home what are these people have in common?
Speaker 2: And then I'm going to tell you what they have
Speaker 2: in common and why I want to bring it up today. Okay,
Speaker 2: a little bit different today, but little exercise I want
Speaker 2: to do. I'm gonna give you this list, and yes
Speaker 2: they're all wealthy, but that's not the reason for the list.
Speaker 2: Are you ready? Oprah Winfree, John Cusack, Matt Dillon, Bill Maher,
Speaker 2: Al Pacino, Charlie's Thrown, ryl Crow, Owen Wilson, Keanu Reeves,
Speaker 2: Matthew Perry, Marissa Tomay, Diane Keaton, Brian Christopher Howie. So
Speaker 2: I threw myself on that list, and so just off
Speaker 2: the top of my head there there are one, two, three, four,
Speaker 2: four Oscar winners on that list. But that's not what
Speaker 2: they're have in common, NASA. That is a list of
Speaker 2: people who are over forty years old and have never
Speaker 2: been married, and they range in age from the youngest
Speaker 2: on that list is probably char Lee's and the oldest
Speaker 2: on that list is probably is al Pacino eighty three,
Speaker 2: and everywhere in between. These are people that have not
Speaker 2: been married. And I throw myself in there because I'm
Speaker 2: one of those people. And why do I bring that up?
Speaker 2: I bring that up because I get asked that question
Speaker 2: all the time. How can you do a show about love,
Speaker 2: dating relationships when you've never been married? And I have
Speaker 2: a couple of answers to that. First of all, this
Speaker 2: is not a advice show. This is an opinion show.
Speaker 2: That's a discussion show. I'm not out here, I'm not
Speaker 2: coaching anybody. I'm giving you a sort of the consensus
Speaker 2: based on the fact that we visit and hear literally
Speaker 2: millions of people over the last ten years on this
Speaker 2: show and are trying to give you at least a
Speaker 2: little bit of a roadmap to that. Now, where does
Speaker 2: this roadmap hope to lead? I believe to marriage or
Speaker 2: at least a long term relationship, which I haven't always
Speaker 2: had lots of those, but most of these people on
Speaker 2: this list, And so people say to me, like, how
Speaker 2: can you never been married? Well, you know, you don't
Speaker 2: have to be a even for those who do coach
Speaker 2: and have never been married who are dating relationship coaches.
Speaker 2: You know, Bill Belichick never played professional football doesn't mean
Speaker 2: he can't coach Tom Brady and cancer and on college
Speaker 2: doesn't have to have cancer and in order to be
Speaker 2: able to treat it. You know. That being said, I
Speaker 2: believe that if you have gotten to the age of
Speaker 2: forty years old and you have never been married, you
Speaker 2: had better be prepared to give an answer on that
Speaker 2: question beyond I was too busy, or I hadn't met
Speaker 2: the right person yet, or any of that, because all
Speaker 2: of those answers are bullshit, and there is a real
Speaker 2: reason why you haven't gotten married, including me, and it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily a positive thing. If I met somebody over
Speaker 2: forty to date and she had never been married, it
Speaker 2: would absolutely be a red flag to me. I would
Speaker 2: want to know why I would want to know the answer
Speaker 2: of why they have never been married. And so I'm
Speaker 2: not here to just initially talk about marriage is better
Speaker 2: or worse whatever, I'm going to get into a lot
Speaker 2: of that. I would just want to talk about a
Speaker 2: lot of these people why they give their answers as
Speaker 2: to why they've never been married. Some are good and
Speaker 2: some are, you know, I think cop outs, and I
Speaker 2: want to talk about me and my reason and some
Speaker 2: of the things that I believe and I do believe
Speaker 2: in marriage. And as I've said many many times on
Speaker 2: this podcast, the reason why a lot of marriages break down,
Speaker 2: I guess is because pretty quickly, I think too many
Speaker 2: marriages go from husband wife to mom and dad, and
Speaker 2: mom and dad is a whole different dynamic then you know,
Speaker 2: let's date and let's fall in love, and there's a
Speaker 2: lot less romantic elements about it, you know, when you
Speaker 2: take away the family. That being said, I research some
Speaker 2: of these people to see what their answers are as
Speaker 2: to why they didn't get married or why they have
Speaker 2: not gotten married. And some of them are a little snarky,
Speaker 2: and some of them are cop outs. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read you a few of them. So John Cusack,
Speaker 2: who's not nearly as famous as he used to be,
Speaker 2: but he was famous for a while. And his father
Speaker 2: went to my college. By the way, somebody asked him,
Speaker 2: could you describe why you have not gotten married in
Speaker 2: five words or less? And Cusick said, no, but I
Speaker 2: can do it in seven. Society doesn't tell me what
Speaker 2: to do, you know, that's his answer. But that's not
Speaker 2: really a reason, like you should not not get married
Speaker 2: just because you're sort of this rebel against society. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of reasons to get married. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of reasons not to get married. I don't think
Speaker 2: because you're like, I don't need a piece of paper
Speaker 2: to tell me to fall in love. I think that's
Speaker 2: a cop out. And I think you need to have
Speaker 2: a better reason than that. Bill Maher, who's a krusty
Speaker 2: fucker if you've ever met him, But he says, I mean,
Speaker 2: is anyone really that interesting that that they will be
Speaker 2: the person you want to spend this much time with
Speaker 2: for the rest of your life. And I think the
Speaker 2: answer to that is, hopefully marriage or not. If you
Speaker 2: find the right person, hopefully you will want to spend
Speaker 2: as much time with them forever and ever and ever,
Speaker 2: and everybody else pails in comparison, So I think he's
Speaker 2: wrong than that. Char Lee's says marriage that's never been
Speaker 2: something that's important to me. Well, that's a little bit
Speaker 2: of a dismiss thing too, because it doesn't mean just
Speaker 2: because something wasn't always important to you, doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: it couldn't be important to you, and doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be important to your partner or your relationship
Speaker 2: or anything else. So I'm not particularly fond of her
Speaker 2: answer either. Diane Keaton, who is darling. If you ever
Speaker 2: run across Diane Keaton, stop her and talk to her
Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes because she is a delight and she's
Speaker 2: probably close to eighty. And she dated al Pacino, I
Speaker 2: guess back in the day after The Godfather in real life,
Speaker 2: and he's never been married either, so I don't know
Speaker 2: if that's some kind of pack they made. But she says,
Speaker 2: I just don't think it would have been a good
Speaker 2: idea for me to have been married, And to me,
Speaker 2: that takes a certain degree of ownership, because I think
Speaker 2: she says that that maybe she has some elements that
Speaker 2: she has not dealt with where she may be either
Speaker 2: trapped or unable to sort of fulfill the commitment of marriage.
Speaker 2: Maybe she would feel like she was somehow put in
Speaker 2: a situation where he So I think that this is
Speaker 2: sort of an un resolved issue with her and the
Speaker 2: people that she's dated, lots of famous people. Maybe she
Speaker 2: put that out to them that I'm a really good girlfriend,
Speaker 2: not such a great possible wife. Ava Mendez gave an answer,
Speaker 2: And she is very famously and I think very committed
Speaker 2: to Ryan Gosling, who also has never been married, but
Speaker 2: I don't think he's quite old enough to make this list.
Speaker 2: But Ava Mendez said, I actually think it's really sexy
Speaker 2: to be with someone in their fifties or sixties and
Speaker 2: be like, that's my boyfriend. I think husband and wife
Speaker 2: are very unsexy words. Now I think that is getting somewhere.
Speaker 2: I think that's getting to a place where it's like,
Speaker 2: the reason I'm not married is because i want something
Speaker 2: even more fun and deeper. And I'm not saying marriage
Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily doesn't necessarily mean that people get married for
Speaker 2: a whole lot of different reasons that have nothing to
Speaker 2: do with the romance. And I'm in the romance business.
Speaker 2: So she said that Shakira, who has not been married,
Speaker 2: she said, ed to tell you the truth, marriage scares
Speaker 2: the shit out of me. I don't want him to
Speaker 2: see me as the wife. I'd rather him see me
Speaker 2: as his girlfriend. And that's another one, just like Ava
Speaker 2: Mendez says, there is something when you are happy at
Speaker 2: least that is so much better about boyfriend and girlfriend
Speaker 2: than husband and wife. I believe will ever be for
Speaker 2: the most part, and again saying this is somebody's never
Speaker 2: been married. Maybe it's awesome, but I think the spark
Speaker 2: and the romance, it's just not there. So I'll get
Speaker 2: back to that one in a second. The last one
Speaker 2: is Edie Falco, who was Carmelo soprano, and she said,
Speaker 2: I'm not married because I tend to get a lot
Speaker 2: of eye rolling conversations with people about their marriages. Why
Speaker 2: would I want to head there? Very true, I've made
Speaker 2: that comment. I've made that joke myself at a time
Speaker 2: or two in the past where by the time I
Speaker 2: even considered it, in my late thirties, everybody I know
Speaker 2: was coming back out of the club, so to speak.
Speaker 2: Everybody else was getting divorced. Nobody seemed to tell me
Speaker 2: that it was better. Very rarely did I hear that
Speaker 2: people were happier husband and wife than they ever were boyfriend, girlfriend.
Speaker 2: And when people get married, I always ask them when
Speaker 2: somebody proposes, why did you decide to get married? Why
Speaker 2: I decided to take that step? Why did you know this?
Speaker 2: And the answers I always get are never the most
Speaker 2: romantic answers. They always circle in this area of well,
Speaker 2: it was time to settle down, or we've been dating
Speaker 2: for three years, I wanted to be committed, or we
Speaker 2: wanted to have kids or anything, but the are you
Speaker 2: kidding me? She is the love of my life, and
Speaker 2: of course I want to spend the rest of my
Speaker 2: life with her. I want to hear that I do.
Speaker 2: That being said, I'm going to get into some of
Speaker 2: what I believe is the prose of at least the commitment.
Speaker 2: I'm going to talk about what it means to not
Speaker 2: be married and why I had to take a quick break.
Speaker 2: Not that I have to pay for a wedding around here,
Speaker 2: but I can pay for a lot of other things.
Speaker 2: We are talking about marriage. We are calling this episode
Speaker 2: the marriage trap question mark exclamation point. Not sure we
Speaker 2: will be back right after this, and we are back,
Speaker 2: and I like to talk about politics a lot. And
Speaker 2: somebody asked me, would you ever run for office? And
Speaker 2: I said that I don't believe that I could win,
Speaker 2: and they asked me why, and I said, I have
Speaker 2: two things that America will not vote for. One, I
Speaker 2: am agnostic doesn't mean I'm an atheist. It means I'm agnostic,
Speaker 2: which I think we all are at our core. Agnostic
Speaker 2: means I don't know. I don't really know. Could be
Speaker 2: maybe people are not comfortable with that answer. They want
Speaker 2: in God, we trust, on the money. They want put
Speaker 2: your right hand on the Bible and swear to God.
Speaker 2: They want all of that. People are not prepared to
Speaker 2: deal with somebody who does not embrace some faith. I'm
Speaker 2: aware of that, and I'm not an atheist by any means.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know, but they're not prepared to
Speaker 2: deal with agnostic. The other thing they are not prepared
Speaker 2: to deal with is bachelor president. And I don't care
Speaker 2: how long or how committed you are to your girlfriend.
Speaker 2: There has not been a There's only been two in history,
Speaker 2: and there has not been one in I think one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty years. I forget who was Tyler Harrison
Speaker 2: one of those nondescript ones. There's not been a bachelor
Speaker 2: president in a long long time. America does not like that.
Speaker 2: They think it is not stable. They would rather have
Speaker 2: somebody with five divorces than never been married. And a
Speaker 2: lot of you out there in the dating pool would
Speaker 2: rather have somebody with five divorces than somebody who's never
Speaker 2: got married, because you guys always tell me, at least
Speaker 2: your means, it means you're capable of commitment, at least
Speaker 2: you're willing to take that plunge. At least you're willing
Speaker 2: to get on the knee, and says I want to
Speaker 2: do this, And I don't know if that really is
Speaker 2: true just because somebody gets married. A lot of people,
Speaker 2: like I said, get married for a lot of reasons.
Speaker 2: A lot of people get married assuming it's not going
Speaker 2: to law forever. And a lot of people, especially men,
Speaker 2: the ones who get up there four or five, six,
Speaker 2: seven marriages. Shout out to the late Larry King. I
Speaker 2: think you're getting married after you've got divorced so many times,
Speaker 2: and you do have the means to survive divorce. Many times,
Speaker 2: I think you're trying to lock her down. I think
Speaker 2: you're not trying to make sure she's with you. I
Speaker 2: think a lot of these guys are proposing so she
Speaker 2: doesn't go with somebody else. And I think that's what
Speaker 2: a lot of the serial marriers are, and I don't
Speaker 2: think that's necessarily a better thing. And so a lot
Speaker 2: of the especially the women and the people, come to
Speaker 2: our show and they put their hands up and they say,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't necessarily trust somebody who is a bachelor in
Speaker 2: their forties, fifties, sixties, because that generally means one of
Speaker 2: three things, none of them good. And I agree with this.
Speaker 2: To the women, it means you're gay, possibly closeted, and
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm saying it's
Speaker 2: a bad thing for a woman looking for her husband. Two,
Speaker 2: it means you're an absolute player and you don't want
Speaker 2: to just pick one woman or three. You are emotionally unavailable,
Speaker 2: mommy issues blah blah blah blah blah, and so you
Speaker 2: haven't probably processed it. You can probably put me in
Speaker 2: category two and three for a long long time. And
Speaker 2: I think two leads to three. I think you could
Speaker 2: say that I was on emotionally unavailable for most of
Speaker 2: my adult life because, as I've said a lot of
Speaker 2: times on this podcast, my parents were married a long
Speaker 2: long time, fifty plus years. I'm not sure they even
Speaker 2: liked each other, and so that was not a good
Speaker 2: example for me. And because I did not trust the
Speaker 2: love quote unquote that they had for each other, I'm
Speaker 2: not sure I could trust the love they had for me,
Speaker 2: And then I'm not sure I trusted the concept. So
Speaker 2: I existed most of my adult life in sort of
Speaker 2: this emotionally walled off middle bandwidth, not too high, not
Speaker 2: too low. I had a lot of long, long term
Speaker 2: relationships where I would put enough chips on the table
Speaker 2: to stay in the game, but not enough to go
Speaker 2: all in. I have, I think processed that I have
Speaker 2: dealt with that, I own that if somebody says, why
Speaker 2: haven't I got married, I put it entirely on me
Speaker 2: and the work I needed to do and the conversation
Speaker 2: I needed to have with seven year old Brian and
Speaker 2: the therapist I needed to see, and all that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. And I don't think until I got to
Speaker 2: my mid forties was I sort of emotionally competent enough
Speaker 2: to say I want to go all in, but part
Speaker 2: of me has always liked that concept. Secretly, I've been
Speaker 2: sort of working on this proposal for like twenty years.
Speaker 2: I spent like ten minutes a day on it, like
Speaker 2: somebody who works on a puzzle. A little bit. I
Speaker 2: think I could do it better. I think I could
Speaker 2: make it more meaningful. I think she would tell her
Speaker 2: friends and make her friends feel terrible that their husband
Speaker 2: just sort of lit it up on a scoreboard. And
Speaker 2: so there's a part of me that really believes in
Speaker 2: that that I want there to be a level beyond
Speaker 2: boyfriend girlfriend. And you've heard me do podcasts about this before,
Speaker 2: where I'm like, the best compliment I can I can
Speaker 2: say is to just look at the person I'm with
Speaker 2: and say, that's the girl, and I know what that means,
Speaker 2: and she knows what that means. And I've done a
Speaker 2: whole episode on that. But you know, to outsiders, they
Speaker 2: want to be able to define your relationship and make
Speaker 2: it seem like he is different from all the boyfriends,
Speaker 2: she is different from all the girlfriends. These long term
Speaker 2: couples that we know are happy together, you know, the
Speaker 2: Goldie Hawns and Kurt Russell's and people like that who've
Speaker 2: been together twenty thirty years and we kind of know.
Speaker 2: And the question they always ask is like, why didn't
Speaker 2: you guys get married? I read, I think Ricky Gervais
Speaker 2: is with his girlfriend for like thirty years. How can
Speaker 2: you never get married? Yeah, I think that marriage probably
Speaker 2: wouldn't bring any more to the table. I do believe
Speaker 2: there's value to the kids if mom and dad are married,
Speaker 2: even though it takes the romance out of it. I
Speaker 2: think it's good to have probably the same last name,
Speaker 2: and it feels like a family, And I see the
Speaker 2: pluses in all of that. And I do believe in
Speaker 2: and want and the one guy, one girl happily. Ever after,
Speaker 2: let's do fifty years. And people have joked to me, well,
Speaker 2: now you waited so long, you probably don't have to
Speaker 2: do fifty years. So you shorten the you shorten the term,
Speaker 2: you shorten the sentence to like thirty four years. Maybe,
Speaker 2: But I'm also not jaded on the idea of marriage.
Speaker 2: Lots of people who get into their forties fifty sixties,
Speaker 2: almost all of them are divorced. If they're still single,
Speaker 2: the dating pool is filled with mostly divorced people, and
Speaker 2: for those people. They have lost the hope and the
Speaker 2: faith and the dream of till death to us part
Speaker 2: happily ever after because they tried it and they don't
Speaker 2: have it. So I believe, you know, Oprah, whatever her
Speaker 2: you know, personal situation is. And she gets criticized and
Speaker 2: questioned all the time about her relationship with Stedman and
Speaker 2: her relationship with Gail, and her relationship with everything, and
Speaker 2: you know, she had a traumatic childhood. She's also a conglomerate,
Speaker 2: which involves a lot of lawyers and stuff. If you
Speaker 2: want to get married, it's a little more complicated. I
Speaker 2: don't think she's not capable of love. I don't think
Speaker 2: it's something she doesn't want. I don't think any of
Speaker 2: these things. You know, Tom, she's on this list. I
Speaker 2: went out one night with Marissa Tomy. Not your marriage
Speaker 2: is for her either. God, I'll just leave it at that.
Speaker 2: But as for me, and for a lot of people
Speaker 2: who come to our shows, men so called bachelor's for
Speaker 2: forty forties and fifties, I think in a lot of
Speaker 2: ways that it's capable of breaking the bachelor. I believe
Speaker 2: the right woman, girl, situation, relationship, timing can make him
Speaker 2: do exactly what he would have done that you dreamed
Speaker 2: about when he was twenty four. We bring up Warren
Speaker 2: Beatty a lot on this podcast, who was probably the
Speaker 2: most famous bachelor in the I don't know, sixties, seventies, eighties.
Speaker 2: He probably had a thirty year run as the the
Speaker 2: lothario of Hollywood. He's now been married to an At Benning,
Speaker 2: like thirty two years, like a long long time. He
Speaker 2: waited and waited and waited and got married and it
Speaker 2: worked for him. He waited till I think he was
Speaker 2: ready to not just meet the right person, but to
Speaker 2: let that person be that person in his world, in
Speaker 2: his presence, in his universe. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: men are doing the work and do want to make
Speaker 2: it work. And the guy who's single at forty eight
Speaker 2: or fifty two or sixty two and he's never been married,
Speaker 2: I don't think he's out there chasing around some twenty
Speaker 2: six year old because he's never dated somebody young, or
Speaker 2: he's never dated an Asian girl, or he's never had
Speaker 2: this or that or whatever, because he's married for fifteen years.
Speaker 2: I think the so called lifelong uncommitted bachelor's I think
Speaker 2: there is capable of love and lasting a relationship as
Speaker 2: anybody you know. I know, people always always look at
Speaker 2: George Clooney like, has he ever settled down? That was
Speaker 2: a bit of the myth that he was putting out there.
Speaker 2: He was married in his twenties to an actress, so
Speaker 2: he was married for a while. He liked the People
Speaker 2: magazine covers that he was the sort of you know,
Speaker 2: perpetual bachelor, But that wasn't really the case. He was
Speaker 2: a married guy, and I think his wife, who he married,
Speaker 2: now knew that people were always like, oh, he waited
Speaker 2: to find this intelligent woman. No he didn't. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying his first wife wasn't. I'm just saying he didn't
Speaker 2: wait like anybody else. He was just a regular divorced
Speaker 2: guy out in the pool. But I think when people
Speaker 2: make these snippy comments about marriage or like I don't
Speaker 2: need a piece of paper to tell me or whatever,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily agree with that. Like, I think there
Speaker 2: is something to the ceremony and the rings and standing
Speaker 2: up in front of whoever your friends or your family,
Speaker 2: or God or society and saying I am committed to
Speaker 2: this person in a very definable and public fashion. I
Speaker 2: think that has merit. I like that you can give
Speaker 2: me all that. That's easy for you to say you
Speaker 2: don't do that doesn't mean I don't believe in it,
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it means you have to
Speaker 2: actually go through go down to city hall and get
Speaker 2: the paperwork and whatever it takes, blood tests and licenses
Speaker 2: and all that. You know, you guys could stand on
Speaker 2: a bluff in Ireland and say the vows to each
Speaker 2: other and believe what it is you believe, and call
Speaker 2: each other a husband and wife and let the world
Speaker 2: know that this is the person for me, and that's
Speaker 2: the guy and this is the girl, and that's what
Speaker 2: I think. And so I don't I don't know. I
Speaker 2: put myself on that list at the beginning, but a
Speaker 2: lot of them are sort of anti and bitter and
Speaker 2: angry or jaded about the concept of it. I am
Speaker 2: not one of those people, which is probably why I
Speaker 2: do this show. I believe in the me and you
Speaker 2: two of us loving, monogamous sharing growing There's nobody in
Speaker 2: the world I would rather be doing this with than you,
Speaker 2: And so whatever that looks like, however you have to
Speaker 2: phrase that, however, you have to to seek that. I'm
Speaker 2: all in. I'm in favor of it. I believe in it.
Speaker 2: So put me on this list, take me off this list.
Speaker 2: But if you ask me why I haven't been married yet,
Speaker 2: just put the put the focus on yet and not
Speaker 2: on never. All right, shoot me an email Great Love
Speaker 2: Debate at gmail dot com, all you perpetual bachelors and
Speaker 2: bacherettes out there. I on here. Thoughts on it go
Speaker 2: to Great Lovedebate dot com. We have some shows, live
Speaker 2: shows coming up. I'm picking and choosing which ones I
Speaker 2: want to do. But I'm sure somebody at the show
Speaker 2: will raise their hand and say, why are we talking
Speaker 2: to you you've never been married, and I will have
Speaker 2: an answer for it. I'll say, listen to this episode.
Speaker 2: But most importantly, like, share, follow, please review this podcast.
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