1 00:00:04,599 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Just like the Cougar football team. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,839 Speaker 2: Ben Krittle was built, not for, and since two thousand 3 00:00:09,839 --> 00:00:12,320 and nineties built himself into the go to source on 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,000 the radio and online for all things Cougars. This is 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,120 Cougar Sports with Ben Criddle on one O three nine 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,199 at ninety eight three ESPN Fan. 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,879 Speaker 3: Welcome back Cougar Sports. One of three nine, ninety eight 8 00:00:24,879 --> 00:00:27,120 point three ESPN The Fan. I've been crital broadcasting from 9 00:00:27,199 --> 00:00:29,559 our Banderwealth Studios Maanderwealth dot Com. 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Does that infringe on constitutional rights or even 26 00:01:18,239 --> 00:01:23,159 the ability the ability to make money off of your talents, 27 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,719 your abilities, your name, your image, your likeness at the 28 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:27,519 collegiate level. 29 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,359 Speaker 1: Is college sports professionalism? It is? Right? 30 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:35,439 Speaker 3: Does that mean there's a cap on professionalism if you're 31 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:41,480 a doctor, if you're in any sort of profession and 32 00:01:41,519 --> 00:01:46,719 you're qualified to be in that particular specialty, is there 33 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:49,159 like a cap in the market that says you can't 34 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:53,439 continue to compete at in. 35 00:01:53,359 --> 00:01:54,799 Speaker 1: Your field anyways? 36 00:01:55,359 --> 00:01:59,159 Speaker 3: It there's a lot of questions right now in college athletics, 37 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:02,120 and one of the questions is how old is too old? 38 00:02:02,519 --> 00:02:06,040 If you've already played professional basketball, should you be able 39 00:02:06,599 --> 00:02:08,680 to play college basketball? 40 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:12,039 Speaker 1: What's the deal here? What's the legality of it? 41 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,039 Speaker 3: Tom Izzo has some things to say about it, the 42 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,879 Michigan State longtime legendary coach. And this segment is going 43 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,759 to be brought to you by Myers Meats, Myers Meats 44 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:24,120 and Fine Foods in Highland. You Todd Myers Meats in 45 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:27,199 Highland flavors, their legacy. Stop in to try their in 46 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,360 house smoked sliced brisket. It's so tender it melts in 47 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,560 your mouth. If you want to tackle it yourself. They 48 00:02:32,599 --> 00:02:35,479 got some uncooked briskets ready to go. And when you're 49 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,199 not sure which cut is best, they're expert butchers are 50 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:42,039 always happy to help you. 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All right, let's get to what 58 00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:09,840 Tommy Zoe pontificating on the basketball players that have played 59 00:03:09,879 --> 00:03:12,479 professionally in the G League and are able to play 60 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:13,639 college basketball. 61 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 4: You know, I'm going to get myself in trouble, but 62 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,000 I I. 63 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: Listen to people talk how kids changed. 64 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 4: Kids aren't the problem, We're the problem. This was sprung 65 00:03:33,719 --> 00:03:39,000 on us again yesterday where a guy can be in 66 00:03:39,039 --> 00:03:41,840 the G League for two or three years and then 67 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,960 all of a sudden he's eligible. Most of my people 68 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,199 knew nothing about it. I don't think our commissioner. I mean, 69 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,960 I'm not real excited about the NCAA or whoever's making 70 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,560 these decisions without talking to us, just letting it go 71 00:03:54,599 --> 00:03:57,439 because they're afraid they're gonna get sued. So you're right. 72 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,840 I said that this really bothers your coach if you're 73 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:03,520 a Michigan State fans. But if you want a silver 74 00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:06,639 lining in a cloud, I am gonna call magic tonight. 75 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:13,560 I'm gonna Callee Jared Jackson, Miles, Gary Max. You know, 76 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:22,439 this just goes to show you how ridiculous people. 77 00:04:22,439 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: That are in power make decisions. 78 00:04:25,079 --> 00:04:28,879 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, and I'm gonna get killed because 79 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,920 someone's gonna say, well, if they go pro it doesn't 80 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,720 work out, shouldn't they be able to come back? 81 00:04:34,639 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: Well? 82 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 4: What about the freshmen you recruited there? That's somebody's son 83 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,079 and he thinks he's got himself a good place, and 84 00:04:42,079 --> 00:04:44,600 then all of a sudden, shazam, they pull out of 85 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,480 their hat and bring a twenty one or twenty two 86 00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:53,639 year old in To me, it's ridiculous. To me, it's embarrassing. 87 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,480 And I love my job. I don't respect my profession 88 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,120 and I don't respect who's ever doing that, whoever made 89 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,639 those decisions because they're afraid that a lawyer is going 90 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,800 to sue them. Sooner or later, you're gonna fight the fight. 91 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,720 And you know, somebody's if we would have been aware 92 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:15,959 of it, if somebody would have talked to us, maybe 93 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,839 it's me, Maybe I'm the dummy, but I'll never agree 94 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,759 to that stuff. I think we're really hurting the freshman 95 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,639 in high school, I mean, the seniors in high school, 96 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,439 giving them a chance, and we're just gonna what's the 97 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,000 age limit? 98 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:30,199 Speaker 3: Now? 99 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,639 Speaker 4: Is it thirty? You know, if you have three beards 100 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:37,399 and two mustaches, are you illegal? You're not allowed to play? 101 00:05:37,399 --> 00:05:38,519 Speaker 1: I mean, what is it going to be? 102 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,959 Speaker 4: And so, yeah, you hit a sore spot for me 103 00:05:43,639 --> 00:05:48,800 because the transfer portal is enough. You know, we have 104 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:52,519 no rules and now we're just taken no rules and 105 00:05:52,639 --> 00:05:55,959 had some more no rules. And if everybody likes that, 106 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,839 that's good. And I feel bad if a kid came out. 107 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,560 Maybe we shouldn't come out early. Maybe we should do 108 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:08,279 a better job of helping kids make decisions. Said decisions 109 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,040 they make and then oh boy, I made a bad decision, 110 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:16,279 so I'll go back. But the unintended consequences are the 111 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,560 kids that are there. We'll now get screwed and not 112 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,399 have an opportunity, and then they'll be transferring, and then 113 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:26,680 we'll have this circle. So I cannot I do not 114 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:32,240 know everything about it. I cannot believe that this was 115 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,360 sprung on us yesterday. And if it was done earlier 116 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,680 and I didn't know about it, shame on me. But 117 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,920 my compliance officer didn't know. There are people in this 118 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:46,040 league didn't know. The NCAA's got to regroup. 119 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,959 Speaker 1: They got to regroup. That's my opinion, only my opinions. 120 00:06:51,079 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: Don't be mad at anybody else to be mad at us, 121 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,000 but I'm not gonna be mad at the players. I'm 122 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,720 gonna mad at the adults in the room. And so 123 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,480 don't blame the players anymore. Whim the adults that make 124 00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:05,160 the decisions that allows some of these ridiculous things to happen. 125 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,879 And then the unintended consequences hurt kids that are trying 126 00:07:11,279 --> 00:07:15,519 to do it the right way with a process, not 127 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,800 jumping around. And that's my two cents, So put that 128 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:21,720 wherever you want. 129 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: To, there you go. 130 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,439 Speaker 3: That is Tom Isel, legendary coach for the Michigan State Spartans. 131 00:07:30,519 --> 00:07:37,360 Valid commentary. I do think his criticism is misplaced. I 132 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:42,360 don't think he understands the complexities of college athletics and 133 00:07:42,439 --> 00:07:47,319 the professionalism that is here now in the modern era. 134 00:07:47,879 --> 00:07:49,399 And I don't know if anyone sat down to it 135 00:07:49,639 --> 00:07:54,000 and explained to him the legalities of restrictions. But every 136 00:07:54,079 --> 00:08:00,000 time the NCAA or the universities collectively try to restrict eligibility, 137 00:08:00,079 --> 00:08:03,199 more often than not, they're getting sued. It is state 138 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,600 driven and ultimately state decisions. I don't think any of 139 00:08:06,639 --> 00:08:10,560 these has gone into like federal court, but like maybe 140 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,439 we have to lean on some of our legal advisors 141 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:14,120 here at ESPN. 142 00:08:14,199 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: The fan. 143 00:08:15,879 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 3: But he's complaining specifically about a Louisville basketball player that's 144 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,519 been playing in the G League for three years now 145 00:08:23,519 --> 00:08:28,360 and now is going to be playing college basketball, and 146 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:31,120 I understand, I mean, look, this is valid criticism, Like 147 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,279 you don't want to be going against professional basketball players. 148 00:08:34,759 --> 00:08:38,440 The problem is you can make more money in college 149 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:40,840 basketball than you can in the G League. You can 150 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:46,039 make more money in college basketball than you can overseas. 151 00:08:47,399 --> 00:08:52,000 Universities and their donor bases are willing to pay more money, 152 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:57,360 significantly more money than the professional league's overseas and the 153 00:08:57,399 --> 00:09:01,519 professional leagues not named the NBA. 154 00:09:00,799 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: The G League. So what do you do. 155 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:08,159 Speaker 3: If there's no illegality to it, then you take advantage 156 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:08,480 of it. 157 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:10,639 Speaker 1: And if you do try. 158 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 3: To enforce certain eligibility rules, you may get sued if 159 00:09:15,159 --> 00:09:21,519 you're the NCAA or the institution. Ultimately, these institutions and 160 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:23,919 their donors are trying to win. They want to win, 161 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,759 and they want to win now under the free market 162 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:28,799 rules that we have right now, and so they're operating 163 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,679 within the rules, whether or not Tommyzo likes it or not. 164 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:34,720 And it makes the question, what's the difference between what's 165 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:40,879 his name, Landon London Johnson London Johnson and Mihailo Boskovic 166 00:09:41,159 --> 00:09:45,879 or Alexi Coostik, who both played overseas professionally before coming 167 00:09:45,879 --> 00:09:47,799 to b Wait, what's the difference between the G League 168 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,519 and international professional basketball? 169 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:57,039 Speaker 5: And I think that's the question because we haven't heard anyone. 170 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,960 Nobody had this issue when Yegor came over and Yegor 171 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,840 I had played eighteen, but he had been playing this 172 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,279 is true, but he's been playing in an academy league. 173 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: True. 174 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: But the idea that you're still playing at some kind 175 00:10:08,519 --> 00:10:11,840 of profess I have no idea, but I do know. 176 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,799 I imagine he's getting paid. Yeah, probably, Yeah, I do. 177 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:19,480 I do believe it was professional at that level. So, 178 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,159 but the idea that you could play at a professional 179 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,559 level and then come to college basketball. 180 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: It's funny because when Kevin Young. 181 00:10:26,519 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 5: Has done it, and when Boi used that, and we've 182 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,200 been like, hey, this is so cool, like what a 183 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,159 new thing for college basketball. But now when it's something 184 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,000 that we're more familiar with, and I think that's really 185 00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:41,480 what's what we're talking about here, is we don't interact 186 00:10:41,519 --> 00:10:45,600 with euro League basketball that much, and so that doesn't 187 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,919 necessarily come with the same connotation as somebody who's coming 188 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,279 from the G League, which is essentially just minor league basketball. 189 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:57,039 That's what it is. That's what we're really talking about. 190 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:02,720 And I do see tom Izzo's point. I do find 191 00:11:02,759 --> 00:11:06,799 it really interesting that he went on this long about 192 00:11:06,799 --> 00:11:09,440 it at is media availability this week. It doesn't even 193 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,840 sound like he was asked about it. Sounds like this 194 00:11:12,039 --> 00:11:15,039 was just part of his opening statement, and I think 195 00:11:15,039 --> 00:11:16,919 that was what like four or five minutes like he 196 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,080 went off about this, So it's clearly an issue that 197 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,279 he holds. I think the problem that you run into, 198 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,720 and he alluded to this a little bit, is we 199 00:11:25,799 --> 00:11:29,759 don't have rules. And as soon as you said, yeah, 200 00:11:29,799 --> 00:11:32,240 we're cool with ANIL and yeah we're cool with the 201 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,200 transfer portal, it's it's. 202 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,639 Speaker 3: Really hard to put that genie back in the bottle. 203 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:39,480 It is really hard. 204 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 5: Now to draw lines that a lot of people are 205 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:47,200 going to argue, well, that's arbitrary, and what and what 206 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,200 lines do you draw? Well, you can't say, oh, well, 207 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,320 if a guy's this old, then he can't come back. 208 00:11:53,639 --> 00:11:55,720 And now we used to say this used to be 209 00:11:55,799 --> 00:11:58,519 really easy, cut and dry, cause it used to be okay, cool, 210 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,519 you've taken money to play basketball. Cool, you can't play 211 00:12:01,519 --> 00:12:04,279 at college anymore. And we all agree that college athletes 212 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,879 should get paid. But it's really hard now for you 213 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,279 to say, okay, well you're getting paid, but we're still 214 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,720 going to keep the sanctity of amateurism in college athletics. 215 00:12:14,799 --> 00:12:19,720 When it's not really amateurism anymore. You're basically everything but 216 00:12:19,919 --> 00:12:21,919 an employee. Of the university. 217 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 3: So how do you draw a line that makes sense, 218 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,399 that doesn't already backtrack and cross a line that you 219 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,559 already drew. 220 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,799 Speaker 1: You've made this so complicated that. 221 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:39,279 Speaker 5: You really have a hard time finding a solution that 222 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,159 makes sense and works to solve this problem. Is it 223 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,480 weird that a guy's playing minor league basketball and now 224 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,440 he's going to be playing college next year? Sure, but also, 225 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:52,000 let's be honest about this. Do we really think if 226 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:55,799 here's because here's the other issue. If London Johnson was 227 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:57,879 that good that he's going to come to college and 228 00:12:57,919 --> 00:13:00,840 average forty points a game, guess what, he wouldn't be 229 00:13:00,879 --> 00:13:04,000 coming to college If he was that good, he would 230 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,639 still be in the NBA. 231 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,399 Speaker 3: I disagree because I think it's about money. I think 232 00:13:08,399 --> 00:13:09,919 it's about money, you know what. I agree with that 233 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,360 it's just about money. Like I mean, you're gonna get there. 234 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:15,720 You only have a small window of time to make money. 235 00:13:15,799 --> 00:13:18,519 And it is hard to go overseas as an American 236 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,000 born basketball player. 237 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: There are quotas, there are. 238 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:27,159 Speaker 3: Limits of like only one foreigner per team, and so 239 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,600 there's limitations there. So unless you have connections over there 240 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,759 or like dual citizenship. 241 00:13:32,639 --> 00:13:34,039 Speaker 1: Like you're just trying to make money. 242 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,879 Speaker 3: You're just trying to make a living, and in that 243 00:13:36,799 --> 00:13:39,960 you know that that window of time it's gonna be 244 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,360 calling like it's gonna be short. It's not all that 245 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,480 line because your body's getting degrade and all those things. 246 00:13:45,519 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: So the point money thing, and I agree, But. 247 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 5: The point I'm making is this guy's been averaging three 248 00:13:51,919 --> 00:13:54,360 points a game in the G League. It's not as 249 00:13:54,399 --> 00:13:57,320 though Louisville has now picked up a ringer and now 250 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,519 they're gonna be die. That's the argument I'm making because 251 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:00,759 I agree with you about the money. 252 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 6: When it comes to the solution here, the only thing 253 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:05,120 that I can think of, and I've thought in the 254 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,240 last five minutes, so take it, you know, for what 255 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:13,759 it's worth. When we're talking about the legality of restricting eligibility, 256 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,159 the only way I can think of you can come 257 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,080 up with something here is like you make it like 258 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,759 some companies have a limit on how long you can 259 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:25,720 be an intern right at their company, and then you 260 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,360 can't be the Internet. You're either hired or you're gone. Right, Sure, 261 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:31,200 you can't be the Internet. There's got it. The only 262 00:14:31,279 --> 00:14:33,840 way I can think of some league legal way to 263 00:14:33,919 --> 00:14:38,120 restrict eligibility as a partnership between the NBA and the NCAA, 264 00:14:38,279 --> 00:14:42,960 saying you guys are interns for X amount of years, right, 265 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:46,519 and that's it, and then you can either go to 266 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,600 some other company, which would be another league, or you're hired, 267 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:51,679 you're picked up by. 268 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: One of our teams. And the same thing with NFL 269 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:54,080 and football. 270 00:14:54,519 --> 00:14:56,559 Speaker 6: That's the only way I can really think of some 271 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,240 somewhere a legality and you can go and they can say, hey, 272 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:03,120 you can either have four years in college basketball or 273 00:15:03,159 --> 00:15:05,039 four years in the league or whatever. 274 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,799 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like from a G League standpoint though, 275 00:15:07,879 --> 00:15:10,759 like you know, what was his what was his path again? 276 00:15:10,919 --> 00:15:12,879 Speaker 1: Like did he where did he come? He went straight 277 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:14,159 from high school to the league. 278 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 6: So he would kill the G League probably and maybe 279 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,639 the G League that well, So the NBA wouldn't be 280 00:15:18,679 --> 00:15:19,600 incentivized to do that. 281 00:15:19,679 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: Well, actually I think it does. 282 00:15:21,279 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 6: I think it makes the G League what it was 283 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:24,639 supposed to be what it originally was, which is a 284 00:15:24,679 --> 00:15:27,519 development league for those players that are But their argument 285 00:15:27,559 --> 00:15:27,879 would be. 286 00:15:27,879 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: We already have that, so why do we need college? Right? 287 00:15:31,879 --> 00:15:34,480 So I agree there isn't a good solution. 288 00:15:34,639 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 3: The reason why he went to the G League initially 289 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,120 in the first place is because there was more money 290 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:42,759 being paid out at that time, So he went to 291 00:15:42,759 --> 00:15:45,840 where the money was. And now he's you know, he's 292 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,679 not overly productive there, but he hasn't he hasn't like 293 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:52,440 not developed. He has developed somewhat in the G League, 294 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,759 and now he's going to go back to Louisville and 295 00:15:54,799 --> 00:15:58,679 make probably five hundred g's a year, which is significantly 296 00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:59,159 more than he. 297 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: Was making in the G leak. 298 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, but let's see, it would just make this solution, 299 00:16:03,519 --> 00:16:05,759 I feel like, would just eliminate the players that are 300 00:16:05,799 --> 00:16:07,320 going out of high school into the G League and 301 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,200 put them in college like we think it's intended to be, 302 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,000 and make the G League what it was before. 303 00:16:14,679 --> 00:16:14,879 Speaker 1: Yeah. 304 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 3: I mean, look, the free market's going to be the 305 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,440 free market. Sure, So that's the ultimate thing that I'm 306 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,399 getting at here, is like, whoever's willing to pay the 307 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,159 most to the person that is coming out of high school? Shoot, 308 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:27,519 you can be coming out of middle school and if 309 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:29,440 you're good enough, I guess we could go put playing 310 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:33,360 overseas or at the GLA. That's what you're seeing with Igor, right, 311 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,159 jeg or excuse me, like he was like in an 312 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,440 academy from like his youth. 313 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: That's what happens. 314 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: You're you're becoming a professional at an accelerated rate overseas. 315 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:48,840 Typically we just don't have that. We have AAU right here, 316 00:16:48,879 --> 00:16:51,759 we have high school. Now you are capable of making 317 00:16:51,799 --> 00:16:55,720 money nil money in high school depending on your state law, 318 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:58,080 which is kind of insane, Like you're not going to 319 00:16:58,200 --> 00:16:59,879 let kids make money off their name, image and like 320 00:16:59,879 --> 00:17:01,120 the just because they're in high school. 321 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: Think of it. That's absurd, right, it's absurd. It's illegal. 322 00:17:05,279 --> 00:17:08,839 Speaker 3: Like how is it that we have laws limiting like 323 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:10,640 earning ability. 324 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: This is your talent, this is your ability. 325 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 6: Like you can have laws on minors, mate saying you 326 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:20,680 can't work under this age, like you have those W two. 327 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,319 Speaker 5: But like you know, and then but they're not being 328 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:27,079 paid by the university. They're being paid in X and 329 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,799 I guess I guess they are a little bit now. 330 00:17:28,799 --> 00:17:32,680 But like most of their money is coming in external endorsements, 331 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,200 so that doesn't even really factor ating to either endorsement. 332 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:39,720 For context, Jegor was playing professional basketball now. It was 333 00:17:39,759 --> 00:17:43,279 their fourth tier league, but it was for all intents 334 00:17:43,319 --> 00:17:46,640 and purposes, professional basketball, and none of us batted and 335 00:17:46,759 --> 00:17:49,400 I or have any kind of problem with any of them. 336 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,960 Like the College of Basketball did restrict Ohilo's eligibility, he 337 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,000 only got two years because he'd been playing a certain 338 00:17:57,039 --> 00:18:00,240 so one that Johnson is only getting two years of eligibility, 339 00:18:00,279 --> 00:18:03,440 and I think that has to do with G League Ignite, 340 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:05,799 because while G League Ignite is a part of the 341 00:18:05,839 --> 00:18:09,200 G League, it's supposed to be four kids who want 342 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,319 to bypass college and prepare for the NBA. So I 343 00:18:13,319 --> 00:18:15,759 think that played into why he's only getting two years 344 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,559 of eligibility, but nonetheless he's still coming back to play. 345 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:22,400 Speaker 3: Earlier today, Josh Whitman, chair of the Division one Cabinet 346 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,119 and Director of Athletics at the University of Illinois, stated 347 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,680 this This is from the NCAA. During its October meeting, 348 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,200 the Division one Cabinet determined that for the remainder of 349 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:34,640 the current academic year and for the rosters competing during 350 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,359 the twenty twenty six and twenty twenty seven academic year, 351 00:18:37,839 --> 00:18:41,440 it will maintain existing eligibility rules as they pertain to 352 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,119 student athletes competing in no more than four seasons of 353 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:50,200 athletics competition in a particular sport. Over a consecutive five 354 00:18:50,279 --> 00:18:52,559 year period, so you get a red shirt and you 355 00:18:52,599 --> 00:18:55,000 get four years of eligibility. There was a discussion about 356 00:18:55,039 --> 00:18:58,720 five for five. The Cabinet is studying these policies, along 357 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,079 with several related eligibility issues, and will later consider what changes, 358 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:06,599 if any, to implement for future academic years when challenge 359 00:19:06,759 --> 00:19:10,319 the current rules have been upheld by the overwhelming majority 360 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,880 of courts. The Cabinet understands, however, that the situation for 361 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:18,720 student athletes, coaches, and administrator remains untenable with rules changing 362 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:22,160 seemingly on a moment's notice because of any single court's 363 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,240 temporary ruling. 364 00:19:23,279 --> 00:19:23,839 Speaker 1: And that's the thing. 365 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:27,880 Speaker 3: These are state rulings, and there's dynamics there and changing 366 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,359 all the time, which makes it untenable. Congress continues to 367 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,920 be the best form to protect these eligibility rules and 368 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,000 other academic standards while providing clarity for current and future 369 00:19:39,039 --> 00:19:45,440 student athletes. As these situations demonstrate, we need bipartisan legislation 370 00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:50,559 to empower that empowers college sports to set these basic 371 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,079 rules that support academics as a foundational purpose of the 372 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,559 collegiate of collegiate athletics. The problem with that rhetoric guys 373 00:19:59,559 --> 00:20:01,920 like this student athletes. The majority of the student athletes 374 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,079 are full time athletes, not student athletes. The idea of 375 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:14,480 student athlete and our competitive like landscape, this uber hyper 376 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:20,240 supremely competitive landscape, is that they're allocating forty sixty eighty 377 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,680 hours a week to their athletics and very minimally to 378 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:29,000 their academics. Even when I was at BYU, I mean, yeah, 379 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:31,279 I was at full time student twelve credits, but like 380 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,160 I did not get the same education as the other 381 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:38,359 BYU students in those same classes because I was allocating 382 00:20:38,759 --> 00:20:43,519 a ton of time, bandwidth, emotionally, physically, spiritually to my sport, 383 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,200 because my name was on the back of my jersey, 384 00:20:47,559 --> 00:20:51,200 and I would be remembered not for my B plus 385 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,839 C plus as on that test or the homework assignment. 386 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,480 I was going to be remembered amongst all of kugarnation 387 00:20:58,839 --> 00:21:02,160 by how I played on Saturday. You also aren't getting paid, though, 388 00:21:02,279 --> 00:21:05,680 and I wasn't getting paid either, But like my reputation 389 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,480 as a football player and as a person was on 390 00:21:08,519 --> 00:21:12,519 the line. I did not want my name to be 391 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:16,400 a hiss and a byword amongst Cougar fans everywhere, and 392 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:20,640 I'm immortalized for a negative, you know, negative thing, then 393 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,359 a positive thing at any rate. Those are the that's 394 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,319 the segment and we're sticking to it. Great segment. What's 395 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,880 your opinion on Akugarnation? 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Big twelve Basketball media Days have been 424 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,319 has been occurring today and we've heard from Brian Santiago. 425 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,079 We want to read between the lines a little bit 426 00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,839 and discuss what Brian's thinking about the future of the 427 00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:03,240 way athletics and more. And we'll also get into maybe 428 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:06,119 some PFF sound here, as BYU is an underdog heading 429 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,039 and I which stay, what did the PFF crew have 430 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,079 to say about BYU. It's gonna be brought to you 431 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:17,839 by orthroprosof Utah Orthorprosofutah dot com. 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This was what Brian Santiago told Spencer 448 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,880 excuse me, Jenerem Sjordan earlier today. 449 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 7: And then we're here in Kansas City and I've had 450 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:22,200 multiple people walk up and say, Hey, what happened in 451 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,799 Broga on Saturday was unbelievable. Everybody's watching and I keep 452 00:24:25,839 --> 00:24:28,319 saying that I feel like the world's watching BYU right now, 453 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,440 and I love that our teams are winning on the 454 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:31,319 biggest stage. 455 00:24:32,039 --> 00:24:34,519 Speaker 1: Why is the whole world watching? Do you think AP? 456 00:24:35,839 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 6: I think it's a combination of football and basketball. They 457 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:42,480 both both programs have risen at the same time. Neither 458 00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:46,039 one of them were great in twenty twenty three, well, 459 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,319 well basketball was good. Basketball was good twenty twenty three 460 00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:49,079 they made the tournament. 461 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, but twenty twenty two neither really had great years, 462 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,319 and both of them have risen at the same time. 463 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,039 Speaker 1: So there's two major sports seasons. 464 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 6: I'd say in the United States, since it's football season, 465 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:03,720 it's basketball season. Baseball is cool and everything, but it's 466 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,599 definitely it takes the back seat. And so people tune 467 00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:09,279 in for football season and basketball season, and when they're 468 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,440 tuning in for both athletics seasons and all they're and 469 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,359 they're hearing a lot about Wow, BYU's good, b Yu's 470 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,799 good football, b Why's good basketball? Both are surprising and 471 00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:23,400 you're just seeing that all it's being shoved down the 472 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,000 throats of the casual consumer that hey, b Yu is 473 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:30,839 actually good at at athletics here. And then you continue 474 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,880 to sustain that success with the NIL buy in, and 475 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,519 you get the off season buzz that we've had the 476 00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:38,759 past couple of years. With the NIL, you're getting big 477 00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,359 ten players, you get the rob rights, the Aja Debon says, 478 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,680 and then you know you've get you get the transfers 479 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:49,119 out of the portal football too, and and you've the 480 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,480 casual fan has heard BYU a lot more in the 481 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:56,519 last two years than they did ever when BYU was 482 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,799 WCC independent. 483 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 3: Sure, it's a great day to be a Cougar, and 484 00:26:02,799 --> 00:26:06,319 the premier sports are at the forefront of the collegiate 485 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,799 sports world. Everybody's watching what will be? Why you do 486 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,839 with it? Speaking of everybody watching, you and CE Basketball's 487 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,559 coming to Salt Lake City to play BYU Friday, October 488 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:21,759 twenty fourth in an exhibition game. Everyone's going to be 489 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:25,720 watching this one as well. Let's listen to Brian Santiago discuss. 490 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,039 Speaker 7: But they contacted me and said, hey, North Carolina is 491 00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:33,799 interested in coming out. I ran into Roy Williams at 492 00:26:33,839 --> 00:26:35,799 the Final four and we talked a little bit about it, 493 00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:37,200 and he said that he was going to go back 494 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,039 and talk to their coaching staff and see if they 495 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:42,400 were interested in it, and then a few weeks later 496 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:46,400 it came to fruition and so super super excited to 497 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:50,279 have a program like North Carolina come to the state 498 00:26:50,319 --> 00:26:53,119 of Utah play in the Delta Center. We're super grateful 499 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,839 for Ryan Smith and all the Utah Jazz folks that 500 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,119 facilitated the game and looking forward to exciting night at basketball. 501 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,440 I mean, you're talking about some of the best players 502 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,359 in the country tipping off right and night in Salt 503 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,680 Lake City. For me, this time of year, when like 504 00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:12,559 college football is heating up and you're right in the 505 00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:15,400 middle of the race and college basketball is tipping off, 506 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,720 I mean, it doesn't get any better. 507 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 3: Is indeed the most wonderful time of the year for many. 508 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,640 And you know, once again, eyeballs galore. Like the the 509 00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:28,279 pace at which the press is having to cover the 510 00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:30,759 BYU propaganda right now is. 511 00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:32,839 Speaker 1: Insane. 512 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 3: So shout out to the athletic department, Brian Sloticago for 513 00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:42,599 all their hard work. Now expectations come with the publicity, Mr, 514 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:48,519 right and right now, BYU basketball is different than BYU 515 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:52,839 football in this regard, football is completely underrated, completely underappreciated 516 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,279 all season long, and overachieving. Right yet they're in the limelight, 517 00:27:56,319 --> 00:27:58,680 and they're being pushed towards the limelight, and they may 518 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,359 become the favorites to win the Big Twelve. If not 519 00:28:01,519 --> 00:28:04,720 this week, but maybe after this week, heading into the 520 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:07,680 Texas Tech Week, I still think after it's gonna take 521 00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:11,160 after Texas Tech, a Texas Tech win on the road 522 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,480 for anyone to say yes, finally, BYU's a ride. Everyone's 523 00:28:15,519 --> 00:28:17,839 gonna still be in wait and see mode. I'm telling 524 00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:22,680 you right now that's the case. Whereas BYU basketball is 525 00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:28,640 expected to be at worst an Elite eighteen, ran fran 526 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:35,200 Schilla joined Jerem Jordan and BYU Sports Nation earlier today 527 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:39,519 to discuss the expectations of the basketball squad. Let's listen 528 00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:44,759 in as he prognosticates an Elite eight or a Final four. 529 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 1: Assessment of what the Cougars could be this year. 530 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,839 Speaker 8: You know, I could easily say final four. I would 531 00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:59,079 safely say, you know, Elite eight would be phenomenal, but 532 00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:03,279 certainly you got three potential All League players. I watched 533 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:06,319 the game against Nebraska, Rob didn't play the second half. 534 00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:08,880 I don't think Nebraska is going to shoot that many 535 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,880 threes the way they did in that game. But I'm 536 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,640 sure coach Young had a little bit to do as 537 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,119 far as practice with the defense. But aj didn't surprise me. 538 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,640 I don't think Richie had his best game. And Richie's 539 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,279 far better than I think he showed against Nebraska. I'm 540 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:27,000 not worried about how well he'll play, but you know, 541 00:29:27,079 --> 00:29:28,960 I enjoyed watching him. I think there's a lot to 542 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:32,000 work with. I think one of the keys is going 543 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:35,480 to be the fifth, sixth, seventh best players on the team, 544 00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:38,599 you know, and how that develops. You know, Davis looks 545 00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,279 like he's going to be a great role player. Big 546 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:46,279 fellow inside Kaita is a solid player. So some really 547 00:29:46,319 --> 00:29:48,880 good guys to build around. And now it's going to 548 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,119 be like how they how they developed the role players 549 00:29:51,119 --> 00:29:51,559 in the bench. 550 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:58,759 Speaker 3: Expectations pretty high, much higher for BYU basketball than BYU football. 551 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,799 But at the end of the year, you wonder will 552 00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:06,839 they be at the same spot. Remember last year BYU 553 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,039 and the Apeopole for football and BYU basketball and the 554 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:13,839 a people both ended up thirteenth. 555 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,079 Speaker 1: In the nation. And that's an anomaly, right And. 556 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 3: They I would say, obviously basketball had higher expectations than football. 557 00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:29,240 Football overachieved, and I would say to a certain degree, 558 00:30:29,559 --> 00:30:34,079 basketball achieved and overachieved. I mean, I think round to 559 00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:36,680 thirty two was probably quota. Sweet sixteen was ideal. 560 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,079 Speaker 6: I think they overachieved from where we were mid season 561 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:41,359 when we thought they had. 562 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: So, yeah, we were talking preseason. Here, we're talking preseason. 563 00:30:44,039 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 3: When we were talking preseason in the amount of resource allocation, 564 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,440 like I think most people were hovering around sweet sixteen, 565 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,680 round of thirty two, you had to at least survive 566 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,480 in advance, which was one win in the NCAA tournament. 567 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,519 That was the expectation that was quota. Anything less would 568 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:05,160 be uncivilized and it would just not be met with 569 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,920 graciousness from the Cougar fan base because you spend some 570 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,920 money and you have a lot, not not only from 571 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,279 a coaching staff standpoint, but from a personnel standpoint, and 572 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:20,240 you expected more, right, you got it. 573 00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:21,279 Speaker 1: You overachieved. 574 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 3: But football overachieved, probably more so than basketball, I'd say significantly. 575 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,039 So they had a four and a half win potal 576 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,440 prediction prediction from Vegas insane. Most of us just wanted 577 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,880 to get to a bowl game in twenty twenty four, right, like. 578 00:31:38,279 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: Let's get to a bowl game. 579 00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:41,599 Speaker 3: You know, if we could go to the Pop Tarts Bowl, 580 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,000 that would be great type of deal, if not Arizona Bowl, etc. 581 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:48,079 Like that was the expecting. Get the seven eight wins 582 00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:50,200 and we're glorious. We wanted to be middle of the 583 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,079 Pac Big twelve. 584 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:52,519 Speaker 1: That was the expectation. 585 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 3: So once again we're talking about expectations and B why 586 00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:58,160 you overachieved once again this year? 587 00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: And is overachieving? 588 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 3: They lost their quarterback, their redshirt senior quarterback, and they're 589 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,319 seven to zero, almost in the top ten. 590 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,039 Speaker 1: Yet still many are doubting. 591 00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:12,759 Speaker 3: Pro Football Focus discussed this earlier today in their BYU 592 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,119 Iowa State preview. Let's discuss, given what BYU has done 593 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,200 this season, are we surprised that the Cougars are underdogs 594 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,240 against Iowa State? 595 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,799 Speaker 9: Levin BYU at Iowa State three point thirty pm Eastern 596 00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:30,880 Time on Fox. The storylines to know is can BYU 597 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:34,319 continue proving the doubters wrong? And hands up, I have 598 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,559 been one of those doubters this year. We have plenty 599 00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:38,720 of comments Dalton on all of the BYU videos that 600 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,480 we do making fun of me because I'm literally in 601 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,400 every I think bau preview you've done picked against BYU 602 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,200 this year, and obviously, since they're undefeated so far, I've 603 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,440 been wrong every single time this year too. Plenty of 604 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,799 people doubted this program going into the year. You know, 605 00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:56,039 in the summer, Jake Retsloff, of course, the starting quarterback 606 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,359 left the program, and many people were wondering whether or 607 00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,359 not BYUN reached the magical highs, and they had in 608 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,799 the twenty twenty four season, where they went eleven to two. 609 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:07,440 They finished number thirteen in the Final eight p poll. 610 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:11,279 After all, they were starting a true freshman quarterback in 611 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,680 Bear Bachmeier, who only enrolled at BYU in May after 612 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:19,160 transferring in from Stanford. So because of that, the Cougar 613 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,720 has had a preseason win total of only six and 614 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:26,480 a half on Draft Kings Sportsbook, BYU has already surpassed 615 00:33:26,599 --> 00:33:29,359 their preseason win total with a perfect seven to zero 616 00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:33,160 record this year. They're one of six remaining undefeated teams 617 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,960 in the country. They most recently took down number twenty 618 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,160 three Utah in the Holy War, a game where Utah 619 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,759 was favored by three and a half points, and BYU 620 00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:46,599 even though they're seven to zero, playing an unranked team 621 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:50,920 this week. BYU is still underdogs. Iowa State is favored 622 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,359 by two and a half points over the Cougars this Saturday. 623 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,039 Iowa State is coming off their first two losses. 624 00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: There you go, that's PFF breaking it down. Your reaction 625 00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:07,400 to the expectations the line, et cetera by U versus 626 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,679 Iowa State B will you're not a favorite in this game? 627 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 6: Yeah? My first reaction is, I hope he keeps picking 628 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:21,119 against b YU back to the superstitions. But I I 629 00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,480 just have really mixed feelings about the line. If you're 630 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:29,400 looking objectively, BYU should be favored. I think if you're 631 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,000 looking objectively like you just put the teams on the statue. 632 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,599 But if you're looking at and I keep going back 633 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:37,599 to this, I sound like a broken record. BYU's on 634 00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,960 the road, and I think I think that should count 635 00:34:41,039 --> 00:34:46,159 for something, right, And I know Bears played well, but. 636 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: Ioway States a different kind of road environment. 637 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,519 Speaker 6: If I don't, I don't know what their football atmosphere 638 00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,000 is like, but if it's if it's half what it's 639 00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:59,199 like at Hilton, then it's going to be difficult to 640 00:34:59,199 --> 00:35:04,159 play there. And so I think I think it's I 641 00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:06,719 don't want to say that it's it's fair, but I 642 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:07,719 don't think it's. 643 00:35:07,559 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: Unfair to favor Iowa State. 644 00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:13,760 Speaker 6: And so I also think it's good for the team 645 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,480 to feel like, hey, to have this after a rivalry win, 646 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:20,400 to feel like, hey, they still don't believe. We gotta focus, 647 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,000 We got to lock in and get to work. So 648 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,440 I guess that's my assessment. It's not necessarily fair, but 649 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:27,320 it's not unfair. 650 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's great. I think it's grand. 651 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,039 Speaker 3: I think it's wonderful, chip on the shoulder overachieving. It's 652 00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:36,239 a part of the Kalate culture. It's a part of 653 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,880 who we are. I want it to continue. You can 654 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,599 heap all the expectations on BYU basketball. Leave us to 655 00:35:43,639 --> 00:35:45,920 the doubters, leave us to the haters, leave us to 656 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:51,280 those that just don't believe BYU is built for greatness 657 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,800 on the grid iron because we may just continue to 658 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,400 prove them wrong. All right, that's our segment, guys, and 659 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,360 we're sticking to it. That's our show, guys. Big rote 660 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:03,239 everyone that joined us, Make sure you download the podcast 661 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,840 if you missed any of an iTunes, Sprinker, Google Playing Music, iHeartRadio, Spotify, 662 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:08,440 give us a rating, give us a review. 663 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:09,440 Speaker 1: We appreciate it. 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