WEBVTT 1 00:00:36.280 --> 00:00:37.479 Welcome to six year agenda. 2 00:00:37.679 --> 00:00:40.159 I'm your host Andrew here again with my man Justin 3 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:43.560 Ward on the courts yep, and we talked about what 4 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:47.719 they want. We got a special special surprise for you today. 5 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:49.560 We got a nice what may not be that much 6 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:52.359 of a surprise if you saw the description on the episode, 7 00:00:52.399 --> 00:00:53.640 but we have. 8 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:57.280 Our first specialists coming in, our first expert. We're gonna 9 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:58.079 be getting into that. 10 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:00.840 So that's excited and we're going to bring him on 11 00:01:00.840 --> 00:01:03.399 here in a second before we due. If you'd check 12 00:01:03.439 --> 00:01:06.519 out our description, go give us some love on socials, 13 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:10.680 all the good stuff like follow share all that and yeah, 14 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:12.000 give us some support. 15 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:14.480 Without further ado, let's get into it. 16 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.920 Please welcome San Francisco Bay architect Richard Gage. He's an 17 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:24.319 AIA member. It's at the American Institute of Architects. He 18 00:01:24.439 --> 00:01:28.319 was a founder and former CEO of Architects and Engineers 19 00:01:28.400 --> 00:01:31.760 for nine to eleven Truth and now he leads the charge. 20 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:33.519 Of a new World Trade Center investigation. 21 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:36.439 And he's doing that with his courageous wife Gail, and 22 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:39.560 they're both at the Richard's Gauges nine to eleven dot org. 23 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:41.519 If you want to check that out. Welcome, on Richard. 24 00:01:41.799 --> 00:01:43.920 Very excited to talk to you here. 25 00:01:44.519 --> 00:01:48.319 Oh, thanks so much, Andrew. I really appreciate that and 26 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:53.959 looking forward to sharing all this incredible information, mind blowing 27 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.519 stuff for a lot of people who are unaware of it. 28 00:01:57.280 --> 00:01:58.319 Definitely, definitely. 29 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:01.640 Yeah, this is kind of a part two of a 30 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:04.959 nine to eleven special we did. I listened to your work, 31 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:08.080 kind of researched some other aspects that. 32 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:09.840 You know, you don't hit quite as hard on, and 33 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:10.639 brought it all together. 34 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:12.360 I do want to kind of get a little bit 35 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:15.919 more of the expert kind of structural anomalies that went 36 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:18.439 on that day. And yeah, so I'm super excited to 37 00:02:18.479 --> 00:02:21.120 kind of hear hear your expertise right on. 38 00:02:21.759 --> 00:02:25.199 I'm honored to be here with you and thanks for 39 00:02:25.240 --> 00:02:26.080 the opportunity. 40 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:28.919 Awesome. Well let's go going. 41 00:02:29.039 --> 00:02:33.120 So how did you get we could talk about seven 42 00:02:33.360 --> 00:02:34.319 or the Twin Towers? 43 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:34.680 First? 44 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:38.120 I kind of wanted to ask what you thought about 45 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:41.400 the evaluation of Building seven, only because they're pushing for 46 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:44.000 a new evaluation of the other buildings and I feel 47 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:45.159 like it might be the same finding. 48 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.639 Well, that's interesting. Yeah, I'll share with you all about 49 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:57.400 building savon. It's the smoking gun and we've got a 50 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.199 lot of information on it. In fact, throw up that 51 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:05.199 screen and we'll jump right into it, and then we'll 52 00:03:05.240 --> 00:03:11.400 talk about the Twin Towers. This building was up on 53 00:03:11.439 --> 00:03:17.439 the upper right here, the third worst structural failure in 54 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:23.919 modern history after the Twin Towers. Right. So it's going 55 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:27.960 to be easy to convince everybody here that these buildings 56 00:03:27.960 --> 00:03:31.680 were brought down by explosive controlled demolition. That's what we're 57 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:34.080 going to do, but it's going to leave an awful 58 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:37.560 feeling in your gut. And that awful feeling has to 59 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:40.719 do is what does this mean? What are the implications 60 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:46.879 of the controlled demolitions? You know, is our society what 61 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.120 I thought it was? Is our government what I thought 62 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:52.800 it was? Who's really running things? Why are we relied 63 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:56.360 to on such a massive scale? These questions are what 64 00:03:56.439 --> 00:04:00.280 we're left with, and it is very uncomfortable deal. 65 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:01.080 With a lot of that here. 66 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:03.919 I definitely want to get That's what That's what we 67 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:06.319 hammer on the most is what does it all mean? 68 00:04:06.400 --> 00:04:09.400 What's coming and who's the control arms of what's kind 69 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:10.199 of making it happen. 70 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:12.400 But we want to get some of that kind of 71 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:13.599 kind of that real. 72 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:17.399 Kind of evidence from you just to back up our 73 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:22.680 kind of spect you know, or whatever you would call it, 74 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:26.240 just kind of look, you know, brain brainstorming right on. 75 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:30.160 Well, most people don't even know about the collapse of 76 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.639 a forty seven story building on the afternoon of nine 77 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:35.839 to eleven in New York, part of the World Ride 78 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:39.120 Center complex. I'm one of ninety thousand members of the 79 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:44.399 American Institute of Architects. We didn't get one bulletin on this. Again, 80 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:48.680 the third worst structural failure in modern history. 81 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:50.560 This building didn't get one. 82 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:54.399 No, this should have been the most studied structural failure 83 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:58.000 ever all the universities. After all, there our hundreds of 84 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:02.959 similarly designed high rises throughout the world and. 85 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:03.439 To this day. 86 00:05:03.480 --> 00:05:06.160 I mean, they did have a reevaluation of who did 87 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:11.040 the reevaluation? Was that architectural engineers with that new the 88 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.600 one where they said that they can't really answer for 89 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:14.240 how it fell. 90 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:18.720 Well, we're gonna we're gonna get into the University of 91 00:05:18.759 --> 00:05:24.879 Alaska who did the the uh, the dynamic analysis of 92 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:29.920 this building, proving that NIST lied to us. Essentially, they 93 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:33.680 don't go into how it came down, but we do, 94 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:38.399 and we're going to distinguish the difference between these two entities, 95 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:42.000 though the architects and engineers for nine eleven Truth did 96 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:46.560 fund that study. But this building is the it would 97 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:48.879 be the tallest building in most of our states. It's 98 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:51.759 it's half the height of the twin towers, but they 99 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:53.839 were the tallest buildings in the world at the time 100 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:57.680 mammoth buildings. As you can see, Building seven was about 101 00:05:57.680 --> 00:06:01.399 a football field north of the North tower, and it 102 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:05.040 came down in the afternoon, but earlier in that morning 103 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:07.600 the twin towers came down, caused a little bit of 104 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:10.040 damage to the building, as you can see in the 105 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:17.399 lower left here indicated by the red and some damage 106 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:20.560 in the lower corner, but this was not a significant 107 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:23.680 factor in the building's collapse. According to NIST, the National 108 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:27.079 Institute of Standards and Technology, who was tasked by Congress 109 00:06:27.079 --> 00:06:31.560 to explain these collapses to the American people. Well, we'll 110 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:34.480 find out what their story was about the cause of 111 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:38.639 this collapse. But let's quickly look at the collapse. First, 112 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:40.519 in the upper left we have the east penthouse that 113 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:44.920 comes down initially in an isolated event, and then after 114 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:50.680 six seconds this happens straight down uniformly symmetrically into its 115 00:06:50.680 --> 00:06:53.879 own footprint. We're going to break that down. But first 116 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:58.279 here's NIST telling us what they think or they want 117 00:06:58.360 --> 00:06:59.360 us to think, and brought it. 118 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.360 And this is the building that they announced was had 119 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:03.800 fallen before it had fallen. 120 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:07.000 Correct on the news where the lady look into that too. 121 00:07:08.000 --> 00:07:10.959 Off BBC announced the collapse of this building before it 122 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:16.079 even before it ever came down, so to sean sunder 123 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:16.360 of the. 124 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:20.879 What we found was it uncontrolled building fires caused an 125 00:07:20.920 --> 00:07:25.279 extraordinary event. The collapse of Wall Trade Center seven was 126 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:26.959 primarily due to fireires. 127 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.639 Okay, well, let's look at those fires, shall we. These 128 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.240 are the worst fires that we have a photo or 129 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:36.240 video evidence of in the building. There are few, they're small, 130 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.240 and they're scattered throughout the building, and they're burned out 131 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:44.639 on the area of interest of NIST for the initiation 132 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.800 of collapse theory that they came up with, and they 133 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:50.920 tried to convince us that those fires were burning ravagely 134 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.439 on that floor at that time. But as you can see, 135 00:07:54.800 --> 00:08:00.000 the fires are burnt out so already right off the bat, 136 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.399 we can see that they're lying to us. It doesn't 137 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:06.439 get too much more clear than this, but we've got 138 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:09.160 a lot of evidence to show, like, for instance, the 139 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:12.560 fact that there has never been a steel frame fire 140 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:16.720 protected structure ever in history that's come down due to fire, 141 00:08:17.079 --> 00:08:19.639 not before nine to eleven, And there's dozens and dozens 142 00:08:19.680 --> 00:08:21.720 and dozens of them, and there's at least a dozen 143 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:27.160 after nine to eleven, and we have so many examples. 144 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:30.920 Not one of these fully engulfed buildings has come down. 145 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:34.200 So what to this day? Huh? Yeah, that's crazy. 146 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:38.360 No, steel frame fire protected structures are like incinerators. They're 147 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:43.039 designed to burn everything in it, but not the structure itself. 148 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.960 They're not designed to burn everything. They're designed to allow 149 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:50.080 for everything to burn without coming down. What could it 150 00:08:50.080 --> 00:08:52.720 have been. Let's compare a known controlled demolition on the 151 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:54.799 left with Building seven on the right. Is there any 152 00:08:54.840 --> 00:09:01.360 similarity and noting exactly? An investigation into the possible use 153 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:06.840 of explosives, especially since that's the official especially since the 154 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:11.639 official narrative has never happened before in history. It's an 155 00:09:11.720 --> 00:09:13.000 unprecedented event. 156 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:16.559 And I've sen videos as well. 157 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:18.879 I've seen videos of police officers that were saying it's 158 00:09:18.919 --> 00:09:20.759 gonna blow it, you know, trying to push people down 159 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:21.799 the street. 160 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:27.000 Bet. Yeah, that's that's an important one for knowledge. So 161 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:29.320 we have to look at the features of controlled demolition 162 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:31.919 and determined to Building seven have any of these. They'll 163 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:34.720 start with feature number one. Is there a sudden onset 164 00:09:34.759 --> 00:09:36.799 of the building? Let's listen to Dan rather. 165 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:39.799 One second. 166 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:42.360 Well, here, we're going to show you a videotape or 167 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:45.200 the collapse itself described. That's how we go to videotape 168 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:56.960 the collapse of this building. It's amazing, an amazing, incredible, 169 00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:01.840 pick your word for the third kind of It's reminiscent 170 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:04.720 of those pictures we've all seen too much on television 171 00:10:04.759 --> 00:10:07.879 before when a building was deliberately destroyed and destroyed by 172 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:09.679 well placed dynamite to knock it down. 173 00:10:10.080 --> 00:10:11.120 Oh what was that? 174 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:12.279 Dan? 175 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:16.000 Deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite. 176 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:17.360 To knock Oh, I'm sure he had no idea. 177 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:20.759 He's never said this on mainstream television before. In fact, 178 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:24.919 with few exceptions, we've never seen Building seven come down 179 00:10:25.200 --> 00:10:30.159 with two exceptions only, and so it's like they wanted 180 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.720 to go away. It's just being swept under the rug. 181 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.120 Let's look at feature number two. Is there a straight down, 182 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:38.799 symmetrical collapse from West Street? We can see, Yeah, it's 183 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:42.200 pretty straight down, pretty symmetrical. How do you do that? 184 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:46.120 You have to take out all the core columns at once, 185 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:50.080 within a fraction of a second of each other, followed 186 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:55.039 about a second later by the perimeter columns. Any deviation 187 00:10:55.240 --> 00:10:58.600 in that pattern and the building will begin to tip over. 188 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:01.240 You have to repeat this on every floor too. By 189 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:05.039 the way, are these fires going to have that level 190 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.679 of precision not going to happen? Anything goes wrong, You 191 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.519 get terrible things happening, like this if all those explosives 192 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.440 don't go off just right, or this where somebody has 193 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:19.639 to go back into that building and fix those duds 194 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:24.320 of explosions that didn't go off again. If a building 195 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:27.120 is damaged on one side, it's going to fall to 196 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:31.159 that side. This is like common sense. If grader knows this. 197 00:11:31.840 --> 00:11:36.440 Soess says it was damaged on the northeast corner. As 198 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:40.000 we saw it should have fallen to that side. And 199 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.679 so we look and see how fast is this building 200 00:11:42.720 --> 00:11:46.000 coming down? Well, physicists have clocked it. It's coming down 201 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:48.840 to free fall. That's as fast as a bowling ball 202 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:51.519 falling out of the sky. The bowling ball could fall 203 00:11:51.559 --> 00:11:54.720 that fast as it has no structural resistance under it. 204 00:11:55.519 --> 00:12:00.279 This building had forty thousand tons of structural resistance to 205 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:03.000 five times stronger than it needed to be to support 206 00:12:03.039 --> 00:12:07.000 this building. This finally admits this, but they don't acknowledge 207 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:11.720 the implications of that free fall. They don't acknowledge that 208 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:17.519 what happened to those columns, eighty of them on every floor, 209 00:12:19.000 --> 00:12:23.279 all at once, and then synchronistically time floor. 210 00:12:23.080 --> 00:12:26.279 Su per floor eighty per floor had to go at once. 211 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:33.159 Eighty and then synchronistically timed floor. 212 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:35.399 Would what would that suggest in your. 213 00:12:36.799 --> 00:12:39.200 Okay, okay, that's the whole point we're making with this, 214 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:44.120 With this, I mean, that's evidence. Can your question the 215 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:46.440 real question, the first question to ask us can these 216 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:49.039 fires do that? Because that's the official narrative, and the 217 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:50.159 obvious answer is no. 218 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:52.159 That's yeah, logical is no. 219 00:12:52.639 --> 00:12:54.480 Then we look at the pile and we're saying, do 220 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:57.639 we have the total dismemberment, which is feature number five 221 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:01.080 of the building. Well, look, it falls like a house 222 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.679 of cards, a forty seven story moment resisting steel frame 223 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:08.399 building falling like a house of cards. The columns and 224 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:12.000 beams have obviously been severed one from another four to 225 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:15.759 six stories tall. The Buildings that like this are ductyal 226 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:20.360 the connections are the strongest. They don't fail at their 227 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:25.240 connections moment resisting frames. They fail in the beam if 228 00:13:25.240 --> 00:13:28.120 they're going to fail at all. So what can do this? 229 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:35.159 Not natural collapses? Natural collapses like this in earthquakes. The 230 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:39.559 buildings fall over to the path of least resistance. Their 231 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:42.799 columns and beams are not severed one from another. The 232 00:13:42.879 --> 00:13:46.720 concrete is not pulverized to a fine powder. We recognize 233 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:51.360 the building as a building, not a pile, like a 234 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:58.000 house of guards. Again, these fires accomplish that. No, so 235 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:02.600 what can Well, let's look for clues witnesses of explosions. 236 00:14:02.720 --> 00:14:06.279 N says there are none, but there are at least 237 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:09.759 a dozen. Here's a few of them. This is Daryl, 238 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:13.759 a medical student interviewed on the New York radio that evening. 239 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.639 We were watching the building actually because it was pop fire. 240 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:18.120 The bottom floors of. 241 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:21.960 The building wash fire, and you know, we heard this 242 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:25.240 this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder. Turned around, 243 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:28.480 we were shocked to see that the building was well. 244 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:30.360 It looked like there was a shock wave. 245 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:34.320 Ripping to the building and the windows all bumped it 246 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:37.840 out and you know, it was horrifying, and then you know, 247 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:40.679 about a second later, the box four caves out and 248 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:44.759 the building followed after that, and we saw the building 249 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:46.440 crashed down all the way to the ground. 250 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:50.039 Wow. The sound of a clap of thunder, a shockwave 251 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:52.519 ripping through the building, the windows busting out, and then 252 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:57.519 the building coming down. How about Kevin mcpatten, former Air 253 00:14:57.639 --> 00:14:59.320 Force medic, what did he experience? 254 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:06.320 You heard explosions like boo boom. It's like a distinct sound. 255 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:09.440 It's not like when the compression like boom boom, boom, 256 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:10.600 boom boom, like. 257 00:15:10.679 --> 00:15:12.559 Floors that were dropping and collapsing. 258 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:16.200 This was bo boom, and like you felt a rumble 259 00:15:16.240 --> 00:15:18.000 in the ground, like almost like you wanted to grab 260 00:15:18.120 --> 00:15:18.679 onto something. 261 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:23.159 That to me, I knew that was an explosion. And 262 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.360 Bill Rizzotti, what I was standing like two blocks away 263 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.039 and all of a sudden, I just seen a big 264 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:30.559 flash and then I seen the building coming down, and 265 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:34.639 I just seen people just running everywhere. A big flash, okay, 266 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:37.080 and then the building coming down. How about New York 267 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:41.440 Fire Department Captain Richard Patterson one seven let go as well, 268 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:49.240 and was a series of concussive explosions, and Patrick Dillon 269 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:50.519 first responded. 270 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:53.639 I remember feeling that like it was like like freight 271 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:57.240 trains underneath the earth, shaking the earth even shaking me. 272 00:15:57.759 --> 00:16:02.720 That's when we all saw Building seven crumple in the 273 00:16:02.799 --> 00:16:06.879 middle like way up at the top. It buckled, it 274 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.200 buckled and then dropped. 275 00:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.840 Fascinating. And Richard Rotan's director of the New York Office 276 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:19.600 of Emergency Management, what did he experience inspecting the building 277 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:20.559 at about noon? 278 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:23.120 And then he had to go into that building to 279 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:23.639 assess it. 280 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:28.360 You could hear the building creak above us, You could 281 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:30.840 hear things fall, you could hear the fire burning. 282 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:35.559 You could see columnsaying from the upper floors gaping holes 283 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:36.919 in the floors above us. 284 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:39.639 There was an elevator car that was blown out of 285 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:40.399 his shaft that was. 286 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:40.960 Down the hall. 287 00:16:42.759 --> 00:16:45.360 Wait a minute, an elevator car blown out of the 288 00:16:45.480 --> 00:16:49.159 shaft that was down the hall. The elevator car is 289 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:54.840 here and what it was here, But it's been blown 290 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:58.360 out of the hoist way way over here, thirty to 291 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.840 forty feet away. As he clarified later, Wow, what can 292 00:17:01.919 --> 00:17:05.599 do that? We're talking about massive explosions inside the buildings, 293 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:09.160 explosions that were experienced by these gentlemen Barry Jennings and 294 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:13.359 Mayor Giuliani's attorney Michael Hess, who were called to a meeting, 295 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:15.480 but they were late and they we didn't realize the 296 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.160 whole building had been evacuated. They got up to the 297 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:20.039 twenty third floor and they made a call and they're 298 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:23.720 told to get out of that building. And they tried, 299 00:17:23.880 --> 00:17:25.799 and this is what happened to them on the way down. 300 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:29.160 Well, we got to the eighth floor, I started walking 301 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:30.680 to one side of the building. 302 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:32.880 I decided Bill it was gone. 303 00:17:33.160 --> 00:17:34.599 The first explosion I heard when I was on the 304 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:35.640 stairwheel landing. 305 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:38.480 When we made it down to the sixth floor. 306 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:40.079 Then we made it back to. 307 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:40.519 The eighth floor. 308 00:17:40.559 --> 00:17:41.680 I heard some more explosions. 309 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:48.920 Michael boom, like an explosion and more than one. 310 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:51.799 Yes, we started walking down the sande you made to 311 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:55.119 the eighth floor. Big explosion blew us back into the 312 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:55.599 eighth floor. 313 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:58.640 When we get outside, police officer comes to me and says, 314 00:17:58.680 --> 00:17:59.440 you have to run. 315 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:01.640 Have more information of bombs, so. 316 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:05.079 You have to run to run. Bombs like this heard 317 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:07.119 in the late morning of nine to eleven in the 318 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:08.720 vicinity of Building seven. 319 00:18:09.119 --> 00:18:10.039 Yeah, here's one of the guys. 320 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:12.799 You can tell you I'm okay, all right, Yeah, I 321 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:14.079 want to call you you want to call you mother 322 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:18.079 to give it. 323 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:22.759 We got some issues here, and speaking of foreign alage Andrew, 324 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:27.440 we do have Nick, chief Nick Vescani, for instance, saying 325 00:18:28.000 --> 00:18:30.640 we're moving the command post over this way. That building's 326 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:32.240 coming down. Well, wait a minute, how does he know 327 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:34.400 what's going to come down? We've never lost a steel 328 00:18:34.440 --> 00:18:37.960 frame fire protect the structure effort in history. Well, listen 329 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.240 to Chief Hayden. 330 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:44.519 Well, we had our special operations people set up surveying 331 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:47.119 instruments to monitor and see if there was any movement 332 00:18:47.160 --> 00:18:50.240 in the building. We concerned the possibility of collapse of 333 00:18:50.279 --> 00:18:53.119 the building, and we had a discussion with one particular 334 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:55.960 engineer there and we asked him, if we allowed it 335 00:18:56.039 --> 00:18:59.039 to burn, could we anticipate a collapse, and if so, 336 00:18:59.279 --> 00:19:01.880 how soon? And it turned out that he was pretty 337 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:04.359 much right on the money that he said in his 338 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:06.720 comment state about you have about five. 339 00:19:06.599 --> 00:19:09.039 Out Wait a minute, in his current state, you have 340 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:13.359 about five hours. How does this engineer know that a 341 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:17.400 building that's on fire is going to come down at all? 342 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:21.960 That's a good engineer, Yeah, a really good engineer. Or 343 00:19:22.039 --> 00:19:24.960 a lying one who knew when it was supposed to 344 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:28.319 come down. Because it did come down in almost exactly 345 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:31.200 five hours, the prediction can only have been made with 346 00:19:31.279 --> 00:19:33.119 four and alle. Of course, they won't release the name 347 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:38.119 of that engineer. But listen to these mysterious construction workers 348 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:41.920 walking away from Building seven, hearing an explosion over their shoulder, 349 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.440 looking back at the building and then looking straight into 350 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:53.240 the CNN camera and saying this, if. 351 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:57.839 You're a filter, it coming out, blow up. Run back, 352 00:19:58.720 --> 00:19:59.480 all right, guys. 353 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:02.279 We are looking back. 354 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:03.759 He's a building. 355 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:05.200 Were about to blow up. 356 00:20:08.960 --> 00:20:09.920 The free coming down. 357 00:20:10.599 --> 00:20:13.279 The building is about to blow up, flame and debris 358 00:20:13.359 --> 00:20:16.519 coming down. How do they know that the building's about 359 00:20:16.559 --> 00:20:21.599 to blow up? Well, that's fascinating. What did Kevin mcpatten 360 00:20:21.680 --> 00:20:26.799 hear before he heard those explosions. He's listening to a 361 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:29.359 radio held in the hands of a Red Cross worker 362 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:31.599 about six blocks away because they were told the building 363 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:34.160 is going to come down, so they're moving everybody back, 364 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:38.359 and this is what he's hearing. Hearing on that radio. 365 00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:40.720 The last few seconds he took his hand off and 366 00:20:40.799 --> 00:20:41.920 you heard three two. 367 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:47.200 One, Wait a minute, the buildings come down by fires 368 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:52.359 to countdowns. I have a problem with this and the 369 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:56.680 BBC that you mentioned, Andrew, that has announced the collapse 370 00:20:56.799 --> 00:20:59.000 this building twenty minutes before it happened. 371 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.319 A more on the latest building collapse in New York. 372 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:05.240 You might have heard a few moments ago was talking 373 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:09.000 about the Salomon Brothers building collapsing, and indeed it has. 374 00:21:09.039 --> 00:21:11.680 Apparently that's only a few hundred yards away from where 375 00:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.200 the World Trade Center towers were. And it seems that 376 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:17.640 this was not a result of a new attack. It 377 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:22.240 was because the building had been weakened during this morning's attacks. 378 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.680 We'll probably find out more now about that from our 379 00:21:24.759 --> 00:21:27.920 correspondent Jane Stanley. Jane, what more can you tell us 380 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:30.359 about the Salomon Brothers building and its collapse? 381 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:34.240 Well, only really what you already know. 382 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:35.640 Details are very very. 383 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:37.039 Sketchy, sketchy. 384 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:40.400 Indeed, the building still standing behind her. How did she 385 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:43.079 know that a building that only had a few fires 386 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:48.279 in it is going to collapse? Unprecedented. They apologize for 387 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:51.920 this grievous error, citing the confusing events of the day. 388 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:56.319 Does that make them psychic? What's really going on here? 389 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:58.759 We can get a clue from CNN. They announced the 390 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:03.359 collapse that morning at eleven oh seven in New York. 391 00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:07.720 Ellen Frank joins us on the phone in Lower Manhattan, Alan. 392 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.039 Alan, Just two or three minutes ago, there was yet 393 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:14.000 another collapse or explosion. I'm now out of sight. A 394 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:16.920 good Samaritan has taken me in on Dwayne Street. But 395 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:20.279 at a quarter to eleven there was another collapse or 396 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:24.440 explosion following the ten thirty collapse of the second tower, 397 00:22:25.359 --> 00:22:28.759 and a firefighter who rushed by estimated that fifty stories 398 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:33.279 went down. The street filled with smoke. It was like 399 00:22:33.359 --> 00:22:37.039 a fire forest fire roaring down a canyon. Now is 400 00:22:37.160 --> 00:22:38.519 I think Patty Save and others have. 401 00:22:38.559 --> 00:22:43.079