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<v Speaker 1>I take a book. Hello, and welcome to the talson

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<v Speaker 1>the Dark Podcast. I'm your host, Bob. You're my co host, Brittany.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, guys, what's up Brittany.

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<v Speaker 3>How's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going pretty good. How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, it's it's going good. Another day in April, ready

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<v Speaker 1>for the spring to actually kick in. But it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a you have an eternal war with winter

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<v Speaker 2>every single year.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, it's just the worst. It doesn't have to exist.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care what anyone says. It doesn't have to exist.

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<v Speaker 2>Winter Wonderland has to be like your number one op.

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<v Speaker 3>They got shooters. I heard too. That's that's the problem.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's let me ask you a quick question. How

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<v Speaker 1>you know because we had word on the show, and

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<v Speaker 1>did you have you looked at any of his like

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<v Speaker 1>like the artwork for Dark Collar. No, so the artwork

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<v Speaker 1>is beautiful. Shout out to whoever did that. I know

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<v Speaker 1>when we had him on the show a few weeks ago,

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<v Speaker 1>he had mentioned like he kind of stole from the

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<v Speaker 1>Ozarks the symbolism that he does for the episodes. But

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<v Speaker 1>one really interesting thing about Dark Haller is he put

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<v Speaker 1>high strangeness in low places.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's kind of the hook on a lot of his.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the the like artwork and stuff and what's been used,

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<v Speaker 1>like the media push for Dark Hollar, And it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of set me down a rabbit hole of Appalachia as

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<v Speaker 1>a whole. But then also the Ohio River Valley, because

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<v Speaker 1>the Ohio River Valley seme you know, very very similar

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<v Speaker 1>and set up to a lot of the rivers that

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<v Speaker 1>run through Appalachia. Well, there's not a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>big rivers in the areas, you know, that's that's bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than the Ohio River that I'm familiar with, except for

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<v Speaker 1>the Mississippi, which of course led me into the episode today,

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<v Speaker 1>which the pass At Gula abduction. Have you heard of

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<v Speaker 1>this before?

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've heard about it in Passing, but

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've ever actually researched it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting because it has some crossover with the

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<v Speaker 1>flat Woods Monster, which there's some debate over the flat

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<v Speaker 1>Woods Monsters. The Flatwoods Alien or UFO or whatever the

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<v Speaker 1>terminology used is very strange. But the Flatwoods Monster specifically

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of mechanical in a way. Yeah, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of how they describe this, depending on which like which.

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<v Speaker 2>Point of view?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you read?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what's really interesting to be about the pass At

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<v Speaker 1>Gula abduction is is it was two guys that mainly

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<v Speaker 1>had the encounter, but not too long ago more people

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<v Speaker 1>started to speak out about this, like forty fifty years later.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you love how that works? I mean, they finally

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<v Speaker 2>get the the gumption to bring it up, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean? Maybe that's what Maybe that's the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and what it where my mind always goes with

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of stuff is you have to instantly be

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<v Speaker 1>skeptical of new experience just coming out of the woodwork.

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<v Speaker 2>This late in the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it also makes me wonder with all these

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<v Speaker 1>things like you know, the UAP committee hearings and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that we're hearing about and all the big disclosure that's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be happening, Like, is it is it far

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<v Speaker 1>fetched that there's more people coming out of the woodwork

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<v Speaker 1>that saw this, or is it less far fetched because

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<v Speaker 1>people think it's okay to talk about now because it's

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<v Speaker 1>in the mainstream so much more.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's being accepted somewhat better than it has and

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<v Speaker 2>late late years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it just makes me wonder, like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>is is it should you continue the same skepticism with

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<v Speaker 1>these new contact ees or like we've discussed a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>times on the show, do we have to be equally

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<v Speaker 1>sympathetic to all contact these of all sorts or it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's a hard kind of line to draw between where

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<v Speaker 1>healthy skepticisms healthy skepticism comes in and just like this

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<v Speaker 1>is nonsense, I also have to care about your story

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time. Okay, I don't know, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to describe. It makes sense in my brain, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's hard as hard as a researcher to look

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<v Speaker 1>at something forty to fifty years after the fact, is

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<v Speaker 1>like equally as impactful as the as the original?

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<v Speaker 2>No, and you're absolutely right, especially because there have been

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of hoaxes that throughout the years have come

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<v Speaker 2>to light from people trying to just do quick cash

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<v Speaker 2>crabs or or what have you. So I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>is normal to have that kind of skepticism with the story.

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<v Speaker 2>But regardless, I think everyone deserves at least at least

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<v Speaker 2>the chance to be examined, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, everyone deserves the other voice heard yeah now rather

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<v Speaker 1>or not now? It's just so hard because I have

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<v Speaker 1>the same issue with like an Injured Cold encounter in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty four, Like it's it's very difficult for me

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<v Speaker 1>to hear, you know, because there was a story about

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<v Speaker 1>a month ago on Reddit about a supposed encounter with

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<v Speaker 1>Injured Cold in West Virginia and it was like, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to believe.

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<v Speaker 3>You so bad?

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<v Speaker 1>Does that make me blind to the fact that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>injured's kind of a big thing right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I mean, I think the issue in your statement

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<v Speaker 2>is what you started with that you want to believe.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that if you go back to John Keel,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone to take a shot like the belief is the enemy, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that case. And so you just really do have

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<v Speaker 2>to come in at any of these stories, especially any

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<v Speaker 2>that you would have any kind of emotional connection with

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<v Speaker 2>from a scientific point of view. But I will say

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<v Speaker 2>that even with cases like notorious uh contact contactors like

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<v Speaker 2>Indrick Cold coming into the limelight again, they were so impactful,

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<v Speaker 2>like the original story was so impactful in the community,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, maybe the name itself became larger than life.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you never really know, like it's not like

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<v Speaker 2>they come up to you with a driver's license in

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<v Speaker 2>some form of identification.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying some UFOs could be some aliens here

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<v Speaker 1>could be.

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<v Speaker 2>Like impersonating, Yeah, absolutely, like.

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<v Speaker 3>Stolen valor for the UFO community basically.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's there's no why Why would it all

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<v Speaker 2>be on the contact tee to be making it up?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean. I mean we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the trickster like elements of these beings of this phenomenon constantly,

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<v Speaker 2>So why wouldn't they trick you into thinking it's something

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<v Speaker 2>it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point, Okay, So on here to the

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<v Speaker 1>Pascagoula abduction. On the nine of October eleventh, nineteen seventy three,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker were fishing together to an

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<v Speaker 2>This is a sacred activity. How dare the how dare

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<v Speaker 2>the aliens?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, I guess when I think of fishing stories

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<v Speaker 1>being embellished, it's never about a UFO coming. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>how big is that catfishing? I really got. As the

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<v Speaker 1>story goes, a blue light emerged from the clouds above them,

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<v Speaker 1>and the men watched a football shaped object descend and

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<v Speaker 1>hover nearby, from which two unusual beings emerged. So I

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<v Speaker 1>want to keep that in mind. The football shaped object,

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<v Speaker 1>that's hyper specific.

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<v Speaker 2>And somewhat unique. I mean, I'm sure there's been a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of encounters with foreign objects, yeah, shaped that way,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, that's not that's not the regular cigar or

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<v Speaker 2>just disc shape that you hear typically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what I would love to see it, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure someone smarter than me has already done this. But

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<v Speaker 1>see a graph of not a graph, but like a

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, like a timeline of UFO encounters versus UFO shapes,

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<v Speaker 1>and see if during these window areas, these flaps that occur, is.

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<v Speaker 2>There like a specific time period that has a specific shape.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, is there a commonality between these shapes? And do

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<v Speaker 1>they disappear and then reappear at later flaps like forties

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<v Speaker 1>to the sixties, sixties to the eighties, so on and

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<v Speaker 1>so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the issue that we're also probably running into

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<v Speaker 2>now is, while yes, we do have history for this phenomenon,

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<v Speaker 2>we're not even we haven't even hit one hundred years yet,

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<v Speaker 2>since like actual documented cases, I mean there's documented cases

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<v Speaker 2>for thousands of years, but not to the extent that

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<v Speaker 2>we have recent in recent history started documenting.

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<v Speaker 1>The scientific approach of ufology, which that's an oxymoron in

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<v Speaker 1>its own right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it had to turn into that because again

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about objects in the sky pre blimps, like

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<v Speaker 2>nothing should have been in the sky except for birds.

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<v Speaker 1>It was way easier to be a fologists during like

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah all I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Hickson and Parker were somehow forced onto the

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft in which examinations were performed on them before they

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<v Speaker 1>were released, again bewildered and badly frightened. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>this is where like the probe Mantra came from.

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<v Speaker 2>Bewildered and badly frightened.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well no, like you've heard of like the whole

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<v Speaker 1>uf alien probe thing, right, Yeah, I wonder if that's

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<v Speaker 1>where it came from.

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<v Speaker 2>As you said, this case.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Case, but these like onboard examinations that seemed to occasionally occur.

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<v Speaker 2>I just being at a doctor's office isn't uncomfortable enough,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we don't need the aliens to come and do

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<v Speaker 2>the same kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we just have to hope they have a neuralizer.

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<v Speaker 1>So we just forget the whole thing happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Poking men in black calmed down.

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<v Speaker 3>The two men.

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<v Speaker 1>Subsequent they went to a local authority and the press,

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<v Speaker 1>at which time a secret recording was made by law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement of the two men privately discussing how terrified they were.

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<v Speaker 1>Thus the world soon learned of what became known as

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<v Speaker 1>the Pasca Gula incident. The details are astounding, indeed, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>they might entail. I say this not with cynicism about

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<v Speaker 1>the pairs retelling of the events per se, since the

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<v Speaker 1>details of their story remained remarkably consistent over the years. However,

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<v Speaker 1>despite generally a good case as far as the crazier

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<v Speaker 1>UFO reports go, there were never any evidence that the

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<v Speaker 1>men had conspired as attention seekers. For instance, there are

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<v Speaker 1>some peculiarities with the Pascagoul incident that are worthy of mention.

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<v Speaker 1>So I want to bring that to you. To it

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<v Speaker 1>from a journalistic and scientific aspect. Do we put too

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<v Speaker 1>much weight into human memory and into keeping stories straight

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<v Speaker 1>over the years, because some people say, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to keep track of a lie over that long.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in the first person that comes of mine

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<v Speaker 1>as Bob Blazar, like he can't possibly be lying because

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<v Speaker 1>the story is stayed consistent. But I think back to

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<v Speaker 1>like certain nursery rhyme, and it's hard to compare this

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<v Speaker 1>to a nursery rhyme, but certain things from like my childhood,

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<v Speaker 1>my youth that I have hard times remembering, you know, yesterday,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone my youth, but I can recall these things

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<v Speaker 1>with exact detail. Are we putting too much weight into

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<v Speaker 1>the human's ability to remember things?

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<v Speaker 2>In what context? What do you mean? Like? What do

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<v Speaker 2>you mean about the weight of their memory? Are you

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<v Speaker 1>To the yeah, because it's still fresh in their mind

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<v Speaker 1>and they haven't changed their story.

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<v Speaker 3>Does that we hear.

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<v Speaker 1>That the Bobs are a lot that because he hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>changed the story since the eighties and nineties, it must

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<v Speaker 1>be true. And again, I'm a Bob supporter, like first

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<v Speaker 1>and foremost don't get it twisted. I am very much

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<v Speaker 2>I would say no, because yes, okay, yes, and no.

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<v Speaker 2>can be very traumatic for the contact ease and whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they may go through in this experience. But it's similar

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<v Speaker 2>to trauma in just regular day to day that you

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<v Speaker 2>down and don't remember it till years later. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>memory is a very fickle thing, and so to be

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean memory goes out the window, yeah, years

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<v Speaker 2>and years and years later, so to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>recall the same thing, it kind of leans more towards yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, fair enough, I just wanted your take on that.

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<v Speaker 1>So again kind of going into the weird instances in

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<v Speaker 1>right that Hickson and Parker story is quite unlike most

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<v Speaker 1>other UFO reports. In fact, many aspects of the incident

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<v Speaker 1>were completely unique and bore no common features with other

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<v Speaker 1>popular UFO narratives. Chief among these have been the entities

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<v Speaker 1>encounter during the experience. As skeptic, Joe Nichol is noted

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<v Speaker 1>in the past quote three robotic like aliens exited the craft.

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<v Speaker 1>Although they were gray humanoids just over five feet tall,

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<v Speaker 1>they were otherwise of a type not reporter before or sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Now as a potential skeptic believer, do you use that

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<v Speaker 2>No, because I think I think we try to put

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<v Speaker 2>in this kind of thing. Yeah, because I mean it

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<v Speaker 2>goes back to what we just talked about about us

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<v Speaker 2>not having us having less than one hundred years of

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<v Speaker 2>documented like actual documented history of these events and a

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<v Speaker 2>scientific approach of these events. So like us trying to

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<v Speaker 2>put all these things in little boxes and categories. Well, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems natural to do from a scientific standpoint, does

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<v Speaker 2>not fit the characteristics of the phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that loosely a basis for that

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<v Speaker 1>comes from we're comparing them to other people, like like

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<v Speaker 1>for the most part, like you know, skin tones of

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<v Speaker 1>different body shapes, different height, that sort of thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>But for the most part, if you see a person

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But if we expand this to let's just say reptiles,

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<v Speaker 1>there are reptiles are so diverse across the board. You

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<v Speaker 1>can see, like, you know, the difference between a turtle

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<v Speaker 1>and a salamander. It's still a reptile, but it's like

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't say, look completely different. Yeah, I would never

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<v Speaker 1>look at it at a salamon er. So, yep, that's

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<v Speaker 1>a turtle for sure. That's a turtle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think it's one of those that if you

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<v Speaker 1>are approaching it from the worldview of these are all

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<v Speaker 1>human like entities, you might say, well, this sounds like nonsense,

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<v Speaker 1>because that sounds like nothing we've heard before from the ufologists.

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<v Speaker 2>That yeah, that's a very very good point. We might

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<v Speaker 2>be trying to compare human like to human like, but

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<v Speaker 2>in actuality it's a turtle to a salamander. That was

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<v Speaker 2>a very good point. I never thought of it like that.

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<v Speaker 3>You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>The Clarion Ledgers recently reported that Parker, the younger of

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<v Speaker 1>the two witnesses, has recently authored a book about his experience,

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<v Speaker 1>in which he described I had the craft as it

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<v Speaker 1>first appeared as them as follows A big light came

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<v Speaker 1>through the clouds. Parker said it was a blinding light.

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<v Speaker 1>Soul of the Sarus. Is this you or Paul as

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<v Speaker 1>he's known in the New Testament. It was hard to

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<v Speaker 1>tell with the lights so bright, but it looked like

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<v Speaker 1>it was the shape of a football. I would say,

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<v Speaker 1>just estimating it was around eighty foot. It made very

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<v Speaker 1>little sound, and it was just a hissing noise. While

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<v Speaker 1>the craft described by the witnesses it often likened to

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<v Speaker 1>a blue colored football. It's important to know how Parker

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<v Speaker 1>described it here and breaking his silence about the incident

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<v Speaker 1>after all these years, so says the Ledger, at least

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<v Speaker 1>he's actually discussed the incident several times, and he seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>changed your updated aspects of his encounter over the years,

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<v Speaker 1>many of which will discuss later. As Parker says, it

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<v Speaker 1>was hard for he and his companion to tell precisely

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<v Speaker 1>what the shape of the object was due to the

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<v Speaker 1>lights it produced. Additionally, although Parker says the object made

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<v Speaker 1>little in the way of a sound, he does describe

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<v Speaker 1>a hissing noise more to the zipping noises described by

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<v Speaker 1>the witnesses and previous interviews. It might seem like a

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<v Speaker 1>stretch to propose that this could have been any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of conditional aircraft. However, it might be worthwhile to compare

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<v Speaker 1>it this part to the narrative of other famous UFO

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<v Speaker 1>encounters from a few decades earlier, that of Brazilian farmer

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<v Speaker 1>Antonio Villa Bowas, who, on October evening in nineteen fifty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>was taken aboard an unusual aircraft and made to have

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<v Speaker 1>sexual relations with a beautiful young woman with large eyes

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<v Speaker 1>and other appealing assets.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait what you heard me?

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<v Speaker 1>This Brazilian farmer got lucky with some Venusians. Matthew Bird's upset.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, I'm just saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Villa described the aircraft that appeared on the night in

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<v Speaker 1>question as being oval shaped and having made little noise

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<v Speaker 1>apart from a sort of whirring sound. See, yes, we're

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<v Speaker 1>comparing the sounds a little bit here, but that's not

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<v Speaker 1>that uncommon in these cases.

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<v Speaker 2>It just feels like they pulled that out of left field. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it feels like they were really they just really wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about them having intercourse with an alien.

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<v Speaker 1>So what he does continue on here, which it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth noting we needed to dive deeper into Ufo Cortus

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<v Speaker 1>coitus coitus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it just sounds like you just really want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about that, like you and this this author might

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<v Speaker 2>have a that's.

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<v Speaker 1>A Patreon episode for sure, so he continues in the

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<v Speaker 1>article here, I recall talking to my friend and fellow

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<v Speaker 1>Mysterious Universe writer Nick Redfern about the case a few

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<v Speaker 1>years back, and remarking that Villa would have been able

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<v Speaker 1>to identify the object had it merely been a helicopter.

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<v Speaker 1>What Nick said in response is what surprised me. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, he began. I could hear him ruffling through

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<v Speaker 1>the papers and files over the phone as he for

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<v Speaker 1>his notes about the actual wording used by Villa, rather

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<v Speaker 1>than that of the later writings and rewritings about the

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<v Speaker 1>incident in UFO literature, which simply described an oval or

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<v Speaker 1>an egg shaped object. Sure as helen Villa's original description,

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<v Speaker 1>he discussed there being something above the oval shaped or

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<v Speaker 1>a craft that appeared to be spinning. In retrospect, that

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like a helicopter. Someone put them on the helicopter

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<v Speaker 1>and then had their way.

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<v Speaker 3>With this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy. That's a crazy thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but it sounds like a good bit

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<v Speaker 1>that it could have involved some kind of helicopter, perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>of military variety, that employs a variety of stealth technology

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<v Speaker 1>that would lessen the sound of helicopter blades. Okay, we're

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<v Speaker 1>now saying the military used a stealth helicopter to assault

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<v Speaker 1>this man on a farm.

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<v Speaker 3>With this in mind, if.

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<v Speaker 1>We give further consideration to Parker's description of the object,

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<v Speaker 1>where he says, quote it was hard to tell with

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<v Speaker 1>the lights so bright, but it looked like it was

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<v Speaker 1>shaped like a football, and that it made quote very

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<v Speaker 1>little sound apart from a hissing NOI. Similarities do emerge

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<v Speaker 1>between the two incidents, Granted, rather than being definitive details

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<v Speaker 1>about the two leged crafts, what the similarity suggest is

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<v Speaker 1>that neither man got a very good look at the

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<v Speaker 1>actual shape of the object, and then at least one

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<v Speaker 1>of the two cases, it sounded like a lot or

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<v Speaker 1>it sounded a lot like a helicopter of some kind.

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<v Speaker 1>What are your thoughts on that, Brittany, because I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like you got a lot to say here.

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't. I am baffled that the only reason

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<v Speaker 2>why they're comparing these two cases is that they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of look the same.

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<v Speaker 1>And they made a similar hissing noise, and the military

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<v Speaker 1>has a history of abducting people farmers, do they farmers

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<v Speaker 1>and fishermen?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you trying to tell us that they both start

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<v Speaker 2>with f.

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<v Speaker 1>Another interesting parallel between Parker's narrative and the Villa incident

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<v Speaker 1>only came to light years later, when Parker began to

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<v Speaker 1>express in interviews that he had apparently had additional encounters

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<v Speaker 1>in the decades following Pascagoula. Parker also made this claim

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<v Speaker 1>many years later his memories of the time you spent

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<v Speaker 1>on board the aircraft in the original nineteen seventy three

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<v Speaker 1>incident began to return, in which you recalled additional details

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<v Speaker 1>that included a woman on board of the craft and

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<v Speaker 1>that you subjected to some variety of sexual examination while there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as far out as what Villa reported from

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<v Speaker 1>his time with a woman on board of UFO, but

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<v Speaker 1>the similarities here are notable regardless. But why did Parker

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<v Speaker 1>only recall this so many years later, and why so

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<v Speaker 1>often do these alleged abductions bear elements that involve sexuality

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<v Speaker 1>in this way? I don't feel like we hear a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of that in recent times, and it.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they I don't. I don't know. That's that's just

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<v Speaker 2>always a tough tough topic for me to even breach

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<v Speaker 2>because it's like, but that that seems to be an

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<v Speaker 2>attribute of the phenomenon in general. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>talking to previous heuthologists in like Alan Greenfield, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and John Keel, they said that the phenomenon seems to

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<v Speaker 2>follow and harass like teenagers who were going out to

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<v Speaker 2>the park and doing some kissing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are there are those who think that the

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<v Speaker 1>moth may only happen because you know of what was

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<v Speaker 1>happening out there. Yeah, don't get me started on John

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<v Speaker 1>Keel's cosmic Clap discussion. What if you guys have never

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<v Speaker 1>read The Eighth Tower, I highly recommend there's. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>midway through and it comes out of left field where

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<v Speaker 1>he starts talking about like space syphilis that he calls

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<v Speaker 1>the cosmic clap, what and how he just came down

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<v Speaker 1>with it one day randomly, And it's like, sir, what

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<v Speaker 1>were you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you got the actual clap?

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<v Speaker 1>Sir? Were you with some Venusians of the night? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that what was happening, sir? Let me get the cosmic

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<v Speaker 1>clap is wild.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a crazy thing to claim, but you know, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the weird thing is John Keell's on a

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<v Speaker 1>farmer or a fisherman, So it wasn't the military, definitively.

427
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<v Speaker 2>That's if your name starts with F you beare watch out.

428
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<v Speaker 1>I'm very real cautious out there in the.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Fields two poison a fields.

430
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<v Speaker 3>Oh god.

431
00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Parker wasn't the only one who claimed to have had

432
00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:26.480
<v Speaker 1>ongoing contact with his UFO beings. However, Hickson also claimed

433
00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:29.720
<v Speaker 1>to have had numerous UFO sidings the following year, and

434
00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:32.519
<v Speaker 1>further claimed that the beings on board the craft communicated

435
00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:37.079
<v Speaker 1>to him that quote they were peaceful. Another lingering question

436
00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:40.319
<v Speaker 1>involves why Hickson and Parker seemingly cooperated with the beings

437
00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:43.319
<v Speaker 1>that attempted to bring them on board the aircraft. As

438
00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.400
<v Speaker 1>Parker recently recounted for the Ledger, I think they injected

439
00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:49.039
<v Speaker 1>us with something to calm us down. Parker said, I

440
00:23:49.079 --> 00:23:51.079
<v Speaker 1>was kind of numb and went along with a program.

441
00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:55.599
<v Speaker 1>Nick Redfern has also speculated recently about the possible role

442
00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:59.319
<v Speaker 1>of mind altering drugs in some UFO cases, citing similar

443
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<v Speaker 1>ideas proposed or researcher Rich Reynolds. He recently wrote about

444
00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:05.680
<v Speaker 1>it here on MU saying, having known Rich for more

445
00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:07.559
<v Speaker 1>than a few years, I should note that he's a

446
00:24:07.599 --> 00:24:10.640
<v Speaker 1>deep interest in the possibility that at least some significant

447
00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.480
<v Speaker 1>UFO incidents may have had a hallucinogen of some kind

448
00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:16.519
<v Speaker 1>in their core. We're not, however, talking here about the

449
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:20.519
<v Speaker 1>use of LSD for recreational purposes. Instead, we're talking about

450
00:24:20.559 --> 00:24:23.440
<v Speaker 1>situations which may have been utilized by military and intelligence

451
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<v Speaker 1>services to an essence fake a UFO events.

452
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<v Speaker 2>So now they're saying they're drugging the people in the

453
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<v Speaker 2>air to incite a UFO event.

454
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<v Speaker 1>So we I mean, we do know that this was happening,

455
00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:45.559
<v Speaker 1>not not the UFO aspect, but the CIA was. It's

456
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<v Speaker 1>not I don't think it's Operation Midnight Climax, but it

457
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<v Speaker 1>might have been Operation Midnight Climax.

458
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, what is up with these names today?

459
00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:53.319
<v Speaker 2>What is happening?

460
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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember if it's if that's what it was,

461
00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:02.759
<v Speaker 1>But basically what was happening was this this CIA group.

462
00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Didn't they lace an entire like township's water with LSD

463
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<v Speaker 2>at one point?

464
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<v Speaker 1>No, So actually I think it was Operation Midnight climax

465
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<v Speaker 1>because it was like a suboperation of MK Ultra. I'm

466
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<v Speaker 1>gonna say it was very definitively here, and I might

467
00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:20.680
<v Speaker 1>be wrong, but basically what was happening was there were

468
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<v Speaker 1>these brothels set up out in California. I'm gonna say

469
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<v Speaker 1>it's California, definitively. Probably was organ.

470
00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:27.599
<v Speaker 2>It was probably Nevada.

471
00:25:28.000 --> 00:25:31.200
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm pretty sure it's California. But anyway, there were

472
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<v Speaker 1>these brothels set up and these Venusians of the Night.

473
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:35.839
<v Speaker 1>They weren't atually Venusians. There were ladies of the night

474
00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:39.400
<v Speaker 1>would bring the johns to this location and instead of

475
00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:42.200
<v Speaker 1>sleeping with them for money, they would give them LSD

476
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.160
<v Speaker 1>and then there would be a two way mirror and

477
00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:47.759
<v Speaker 1>the agents would be on the other side watching the

478
00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>interactions that would occur. I think in some instances there

479
00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:53.799
<v Speaker 1>was some like actual sexual contact that occurred, but for

480
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<v Speaker 1>the most part, they were just like tripping balls and

481
00:25:58.200 --> 00:25:59.319
<v Speaker 1>we were watching it happen.

482
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<v Speaker 3>This is a real thing. I'm not making this up

483
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:01.759
<v Speaker 3>at all.

484
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but that's like that's a controlled environ somewhat controlled environment.

485
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<v Speaker 2>And yes, they were drugged without consents. It is definitely

486
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>illegal and definitely, we should not have done that as

487
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:19.200
<v Speaker 2>a government. But you know, neither here nor there. These

488
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:24.039
<v Speaker 2>are two men on the bank of the Mississippi fishing.

489
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<v Speaker 2>How are they gonna get drugged with LSD? Are they

490
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:29.039
<v Speaker 2>air dropping that?

491
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

492
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<v Speaker 1>First off, you've never been inside the Mississippi.

493
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<v Speaker 3>You have no idea.

494
00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:35.799
<v Speaker 1>It could all be LSD the whole thing.

495
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:42.119
<v Speaker 2>God, I would hate to see what those fish see.

496
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<v Speaker 2>If that's the case.

497
00:26:43.759 --> 00:26:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, well no, no, hear me out. Maybe they're watching.

498
00:26:46.759 --> 00:26:48.599
<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's like they're watching us from other so the

499
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:50.680
<v Speaker 1>double sided mirror, and.

500
00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:54.319
<v Speaker 2>That's you know, they pity our existence and the non LSD.

501
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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe that this is the first time you're

502
00:26:57.559 --> 00:26:59.319
<v Speaker 1>thinking about Operation Midnight Climax.

503
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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I have heard about. I know they

504
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.720
<v Speaker 2>did some messed up things and experiments with LSD, but again,

505
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:10.920
<v Speaker 2>like this, that is a semi controllable environment.

506
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:11.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

507
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you think they chose the men for that because

508
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:16.039
<v Speaker 1>like they can't go home and tell their wives I

509
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:17.400
<v Speaker 1>was drugged at a brothel.

510
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:20.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I almost guarantee that some of it was

511
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:22.759
<v Speaker 2>used for blackmail. Oh, I almost guarantee it.

512
00:27:24.119 --> 00:27:25.599
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how we got on this topic, but.

513
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:27.960
<v Speaker 2>We derailed completely.

514
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But if it's not

515
00:27:31.359 --> 00:27:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Operation Midnight Climax, they really screwed the poochrol on that one,

516
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:39.279
<v Speaker 1>because that's the perfect name for an LSD brothel like

517
00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:44.400
<v Speaker 1>CIA operation. Anyway, faithful devotees of the idea of an

518
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.799
<v Speaker 1>alien presence in relation to some of the more bizarre

519
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:49.799
<v Speaker 1>UFO events that have occurred over the years will dislike

520
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:54.160
<v Speaker 1>such speculations presented here. However, the idea should at least

521
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>be given consideration, since they are of greater merits. The

522
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:01.279
<v Speaker 1>polarized views of hopeful ufologists have tossed all their chips

523
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:07.119
<v Speaker 1>and in on an extraterrestrial hypothesis or on another extreme

524
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:10.400
<v Speaker 1>they all are nothing skeptics who argue in every such

525
00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:14.359
<v Speaker 1>instance that UFO experiencers are just liars, frauds, or publicity seekers.

526
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Neither of these extreme views present a truly objective assessment,

527
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:20.799
<v Speaker 1>something that will be required if we ever wish to

528
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:24.119
<v Speaker 1>understand the true circumstances behind some of these outstanding and

529
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:28.519
<v Speaker 1>long standing UFO cases. I don't know. I struggle with

530
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:35.920
<v Speaker 1>this whole thing because when you try and rationalize something.

531
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:39.960
<v Speaker 2>That is innately irrational.

532
00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:44.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the same. We're normalizing abnormalities.

533
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:46.799
<v Speaker 2>You can't. You can't do that.

534
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.519
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's literally the normal versus the paranormal. Like

535
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.880
<v Speaker 1>this is my problem with eupology, and this is why

536
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.319
<v Speaker 1>I throw my hands up so frequently with these cases,

537
00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>because it's like, sure, I would love to you to

538
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.119
<v Speaker 1>the bottom of it, really would, But the most likely

539
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>scenario is they're coming from here, and everyone and their

540
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.359
<v Speaker 1>sister that's done DMT or acid or whatever has accidentally

541
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.720
<v Speaker 1>stepped foot in that realm that they're coming from. That

542
00:29:13.039 --> 00:29:15.599
<v Speaker 1>That is where I stand right now of what's going on.

543
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're coming from Zeta reticul or Mars

544
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:21.640
<v Speaker 1>or Venus or wherever. I think they're coming from here.

545
00:29:22.160 --> 00:29:24.240
<v Speaker 1>I think they've always been here and they're always going

546
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:24.559
<v Speaker 1>to be.

547
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Here, and their condition of our existence.

548
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.279
<v Speaker 1>Exactly because the phenomenon has existed as long as human

549
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:34.359
<v Speaker 1>beings have existed in some way, shape or form.

550
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:35.200
<v Speaker 3>They just have.

551
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:40.200
<v Speaker 2>It's just manifested differently, or it's not even manifested differently.

552
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:43.200
<v Speaker 2>We've interpreted it differently as we've grown as a species.

553
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:47.720
<v Speaker 1>There you go, that we've solved it. You're welcome, listeners,

554
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:51.400
<v Speaker 1>that's it. Okay, So this is kind of what I

555
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.559
<v Speaker 1>touched on at the top of the episode here with

556
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.759
<v Speaker 1>the more recent people, because again I could have gone

557
00:29:56.759 --> 00:29:59.079
<v Speaker 1>into more detail, but a lot of it's a little

558
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>too explicit for like radio regular podcasting, and there's not

559
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot about the case to me that stands

560
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 1>out as like this has to be told to understand

561
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.359
<v Speaker 1>the story. If that makes sense. Yeah, you know, we

562
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:14.720
<v Speaker 1>could have gone into detail about the medical examinations, that

563
00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. I encourage everyone, if you're interested, look

564
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:20.279
<v Speaker 1>in the story a bit deeper. But what gets me

565
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:24.599
<v Speaker 1>is a the book writing so long after, because initially

566
00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:26.519
<v Speaker 1>they were adamant. You know, it was very much at

567
00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Kelly Hopkins'll situation of.

568
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:30.079
<v Speaker 2>We don't want to talk about it, we don't want

569
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:31.160
<v Speaker 2>to acknowledge it, like.

570
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're ridiculed, we're ostracized from our community. We don't

571
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:35.880
<v Speaker 1>want this. And then a book comes out it's like, well,

572
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:40.519
<v Speaker 1>that's a little strange, but sure maybe, but okay, this

573
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>is what I was talking about that in the beginning.

574
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Where so now we have more people coming out all

575
00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:47.599
<v Speaker 1>out of the woodwork. Years later, in an interview with

576
00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:52.079
<v Speaker 1>the Jackson Mississippi daily newspaper The Clearion Ledger, Joey Nelson,

577
00:30:52.119 --> 00:30:55.119
<v Speaker 1>a mobile Alabama, describe what he and three friends allegedly

578
00:30:55.160 --> 00:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>saw on the night of October eleventh, nineteen seventy three,

579
00:30:58.279 --> 00:31:00.319
<v Speaker 1>as they sped west through Mississippi on their way to

580
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>New Orleans on US ninety. We've driven that road. That's

581
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.680
<v Speaker 1>a strange road, dude to drive at night. M. M.

582
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.200
<v Speaker 1>Nelson was a front seat passenger in the car and

583
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>estimates they were between Pascagoula and Biloxi, Biloxi, Biloxi, Biloxie

584
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:18.200
<v Speaker 1>when he and says everyone in the car saw the ORB,

585
00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>which was hovering in front of the vehicle. They appeared

586
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:24.079
<v Speaker 1>to keep on driving when he claimed a smaller ORB

587
00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:27.319
<v Speaker 1>dropped down from the larger one. That sounds a little

588
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:29.759
<v Speaker 1>eerily familiar to something you've experienced.

589
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.279
<v Speaker 2>Not quite, not quite, but well.

590
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I guess you didn't see the orbs separate.

591
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>From one another, now, hmm hmmmm.

592
00:31:39.680 --> 00:31:41.720
<v Speaker 1>It was about the size of a beach ball. I'd say,

593
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:44.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how far away it was, but it

594
00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:46.279
<v Speaker 1>seemed like if that windshow wasn't there, I could have

595
00:31:46.359 --> 00:31:50.279
<v Speaker 1>touched it. It started flashing and clicking and flashing and clicking.

596
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:53.680
<v Speaker 1>We could audibly hear it. I know it sounds crazy,

597
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>but it seemed like they were taking pictures. It seemed

598
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 1>like it was in front of me ten minutes or

599
00:31:58.480 --> 00:31:59.279
<v Speaker 1>ten minutes or so.

600
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:00.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

601
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.559
<v Speaker 1>We were just sort of mesmerized. Okay, if alien are

602
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:08.319
<v Speaker 1>still using like a Kodak camera, we can take them

603
00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:13.359
<v Speaker 1>in like an intergalactic warfare for sure at that point.

604
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>At that point, the Orbs flew away and the three

605
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.240
<v Speaker 1>continued to New Orleans, never telling anyone what they saw,

606
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>depending on what they got into on Bourbon Street.

607
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 3>This is not that unbelievable.

608
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Now, it's not because you can see some weirder things

609
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.359
<v Speaker 1>on Bourbon Street than like an intergalactic polaroid.

610
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you can. That's that's no why.

611
00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Nelson claims that recent articles about the incident prompted him

612
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>to finally share a story forty six years later. Forty

613
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:45.160
<v Speaker 1>six years and he just now is like, oh, yeah,

614
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:46.559
<v Speaker 1>remember that crazy thing that happened.

615
00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:51.359
<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, is there anything else? Was he abducted or

616
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:52.119
<v Speaker 2>anything like that?

617
00:32:52.599 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 3>We'll continue.

618
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, there's no corroborating testimony from the other two witnesses

619
00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:57.480
<v Speaker 1>in the car.

620
00:32:58.279 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 3>This is a quote.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a falling star. Then I realized it wasn't

622
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:04.559
<v Speaker 1>actually falling, It was moving across the sky. It was

623
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<v Speaker 1>at two o'clock. It was at the two o'clock position,

624
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:08.640
<v Speaker 1>and when it got to the ten o'clock position, another

625
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:11.759
<v Speaker 1>light shot out of it. This is what Rossie Nail

626
00:33:11.799 --> 00:33:14.599
<v Speaker 1>told the Clarion Ledger when she was in Bruce, Mississippi,

627
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:17.640
<v Speaker 1>when she allegedly had a similar experience that exact same night.

628
00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.880
<v Speaker 1>Bruce is over three hundred miles north due of Pascagoula,

629
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.200
<v Speaker 1>almost on the Tennessee border. Nail's account on the two

630
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:29.480
<v Speaker 1>lights seems similar to Nelson's, although what she saw was

631
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.519
<v Speaker 1>not right next to her on a porch in Bruce,

632
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:35.079
<v Speaker 1>but far away in the distant sky. When other similarity,

633
00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.359
<v Speaker 1>Nail waited forty six years to tell her story and

634
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>finally came forward after reading other recent accounts. This is

635
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:44.160
<v Speaker 1>a quote. They're all coming out of the woodwork. It

636
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:45.680
<v Speaker 1>makes me feel pretty good that I'm not the only

637
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>one who saw something. Most of these people are credible people.

638
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<v Speaker 1>So we have two people not together. I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from the rest of the folks in the car.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not. Another side effect of

641
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:09.039
<v Speaker 2>the phenomenon can be memory loss. Yeah, and maybe it

642
00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:12.519
<v Speaker 2>really was like a key that was unlocked because of

643
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:17.280
<v Speaker 2>recent stories. I mean, it might literally be exactly what

644
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:21.440
<v Speaker 2>they say it is and nothing nefarious. Is it a

645
00:34:21.480 --> 00:34:23.920
<v Speaker 2>little sketch waiting that long? Sure?

646
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

647
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:27.320
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, hell, we've been through phenomenon and forgot

648
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:30.480
<v Speaker 2>that it happened until you know, something else triggered the

649
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:31.400
<v Speaker 2>memory exactly.

650
00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So it continues on. Really, Calvin Parker, the survivor

651
00:34:35.880 --> 00:34:39.639
<v Speaker 1>of the two actual Legendi abductees, is obviously glad people

652
00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.280
<v Speaker 1>are finally agreeing with him. But our forty six year

653
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.719
<v Speaker 1>old accounts really credible. That may include Parker, who was

654
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:48.960
<v Speaker 1>a silent partner in this account, allowing as much older

655
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:52.199
<v Speaker 1>friend Charles Hickson to tell the story. As one might expect,

656
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the reason for the recent publicity about the alleged Pascagoula

657
00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:57.679
<v Speaker 1>abduction is due to the long away to publication of

658
00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Parker's account. Pascagoula the closest encounter. What should we make

659
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.639
<v Speaker 1>of an alleged eye witness account that's had forty six

660
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:10.239
<v Speaker 1>years to absorb intentionally or by osmosis details from a

661
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:13.800
<v Speaker 1>well publicized and much written about story before finally being

662
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.320
<v Speaker 1>told in an era of instant internet fame and hopes

663
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:19.360
<v Speaker 1>of a fortune. Do they reinforce the validity of the

664
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:22.960
<v Speaker 1>alleged incident or murky the water some more? One thing

665
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.599
<v Speaker 1>is certain, these won't be the last of the Pasca

666
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Goula witnesses. Does this qualify as a storming anyone for

667
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 1>some Pasca Gula pale ale?

668
00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean it does. It does make the information a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit more difficult to weighe through, that is for sure.

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00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

671
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Does it take away from the validity of the witnesses, No,

672
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:51.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, not necessarily, But it is something

673
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:55.360
<v Speaker 2>to keep in mind when researching this particular case and

674
00:35:55.440 --> 00:36:00.320
<v Speaker 2>knowing what when the accounts came out, what details came

675
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:00.960
<v Speaker 2>from when.

676
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, and one thing just kind of came to mind.

677
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Just now we are approaching this skepticism skeptical aspect of

678
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:13.039
<v Speaker 1>these retellings, as if everyone is a ufologist and everyone

679
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:18.880
<v Speaker 1>has a shared interest in these things. Let me take

680
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:23.280
<v Speaker 1>a step back and present this as an alternative I

681
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>guess bit of thought science here. What if they saw

682
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.280
<v Speaker 1>something weird, they knew roughly what year it was, let's

683
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:32.760
<v Speaker 1>say it's around their birthday, just for sake of the argument.

684
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:34.840
<v Speaker 1>I knew this happened around my birthday, knew it was

685
00:36:34.920 --> 00:36:36.800
<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy three weeks that's when I got the grand

686
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:41.920
<v Speaker 1>old jalobby. Whatever, if you're not a eufologist, you wouldn't

687
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.039
<v Speaker 1>think to go and tell your friends about this, because again,

688
00:36:44.360 --> 00:36:46.960
<v Speaker 1>we got to remember the seventies bit different of times.

689
00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:48.360
<v Speaker 1>It's not like it is now where you can just

690
00:36:48.360 --> 00:36:50.719
<v Speaker 1>go on Twitter and just blast out in a hashtag

691
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.239
<v Speaker 1>UFO Twitter and get a bunch of retweets and people

692
00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:59.199
<v Speaker 1>like believing your story. If you're someone from these small towns. Again,

693
00:36:59.199 --> 00:37:01.440
<v Speaker 1>we've driven through Missus Sippy. We're very from over Tennessee.

694
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.719
<v Speaker 1>We understand the folks in this region and they aren't

695
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:09.039
<v Speaker 1>interested in these topics. They didn't share it. And then

696
00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:12.559
<v Speaker 1>here is this book. Of course, publicides in a small

697
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.119
<v Speaker 1>town newspaper, especially in Pasca Gula, because that's where the

698
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:19.480
<v Speaker 1>case occurred. It might jog the memory of something that

699
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.239
<v Speaker 1>did happen in nineteen seventy three around your birthday when

700
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:26.880
<v Speaker 1>you got that old jalobby. Like, maybe that's the easier explanation,

701
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>because again we're approaching this as if everyone's a ufologist,

702
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:33.320
<v Speaker 1>everyone has the same level of interest in the paranormal

703
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:35.280
<v Speaker 1>into high stranges as we do.

704
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:43.559
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean the event, unless traumatizing, wouldn merit

705
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:48.400
<v Speaker 2>a lifetime obsession, you know what I mean. Yeah, Like,

706
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 2>if you're if you have no you're right. If you

707
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.559
<v Speaker 2>have no interest in UFOs or the paranormal or high strangeness,

708
00:37:53.599 --> 00:38:23.920
<v Speaker 2>there's no reason to think about it consistently, I mean,

709
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.760
<v Speaker 2>or even talk about it consistently, except maybe in passing about, Hey,

710
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:30.199
<v Speaker 2>this really weird thing happened. When do you think about it?

711
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:32.639
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, if you have no interest, I mean, there's

712
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 2>no point in continuing the discussion unless there's reason to.

713
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:37.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

714
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:40.679
<v Speaker 1>It reminds me of I went to a Cincinnati Reds

715
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:45.199
<v Speaker 1>baseball game I don't know, forever ago, and it was

716
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:47.880
<v Speaker 1>a really important game because like Joey Vodo, who I believe,

717
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:50.239
<v Speaker 1>I want to say, is the first baseman I think

718
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:53.000
<v Speaker 1>of the reds't I'm not a baseball fan. I got

719
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:56.360
<v Speaker 1>free tickets from somewhere. It was a super important game

720
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.000
<v Speaker 1>because Joey Vodo did something important to the Reds franchise.

721
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe might have been when he got his

722
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:03.639
<v Speaker 1>own cereal. I don't remember, but something happened. It was

723
00:39:03.679 --> 00:39:07.480
<v Speaker 1>very important in that game. And recently I saw a

724
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:11.599
<v Speaker 1>post that was discussing that game and I was like, man,

725
00:39:11.639 --> 00:39:14.559
<v Speaker 1>that like sounds very familiar. I was at the game.

726
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:18.000
<v Speaker 1>It means nothing to me, but it jogged that memory

727
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.239
<v Speaker 1>of Oh, I do remember when that thing happened because

728
00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:21.599
<v Speaker 1>I was there at the game.

729
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it could be, it could be.

730
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that that's where we're gonna end the past at

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<v Speaker 1>Google Abduction, and I'm gonna leave this kind of how

733
00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:33.679
<v Speaker 1>we've left last couple episodes were you know, twenty twenty

734
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:35.480
<v Speaker 1>four is flying right by right now, It's gonna be

735
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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five soon. What do you guys want to

736
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.639
<v Speaker 1>see from us? Do you want to see some noted strangeness?

737
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to see some for legal reasons? What

738
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.400
<v Speaker 1>do you want to see? Be sure to let us know.

739
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<v Speaker 1>Join the Facebook group, emails at Tales from the Dark

740
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:53.639
<v Speaker 1>White at gmail dot com. Let us know because I'm

741
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.519
<v Speaker 1>not saying we're out of ideas, but we love your suggestions.

742
00:39:57.559 --> 00:39:59.280
<v Speaker 1>And with that being said, miss Brittany, unless you have

743
00:39:59.280 --> 00:40:01.480
<v Speaker 1>anything else you'd like to add, I do not I

744
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:03.079
<v Speaker 1>think we're gonna have to add this episode of the

745
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Pasca Goola abduction and the subsequent contact these afterwards.

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<v Speaker 4>Two our never ending but are always growing tails from

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<v Speaker 4>the dark, as

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<v Speaker 2>Include