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This isn't two hundred years together, but it is. Doctor

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Matthew Refael Johnson. How are you doing today, Doctor Johnson.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing okay. We had our round table on regular

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Albion yesterday with Savana Longshanks. For the first time, he's

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He's a totally free man. It kind of invigorated me.

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It was a great, a great time. And now he's back.

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The site's going to be revamped, and he was mostly

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what happened afterwards, and it's definitely worth a listen. It's

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Speaker 1: Awesome, awesome. Well today we're going to talk about Venezuela,

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and you know, you may take this in a direction

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people might expect you to, considering, did you see the

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meltdown that Ben Shapiro had about Venezuela recently?

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Speaker 2: I did not, But you say meltdown Shapiro, it kind

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of just it kind of just makes sense to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Apparently, Tucker Tucker Carlson said, you know, Venezuela seems

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to be a pretty right wing conservative kind of country,

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the kind of place that that Ben Shapiro would uh like,

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what is that fun that it's communist, it's communist, it's communist.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you. He is a He is an ignoramus.

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He pedals cliches in such a way that it makes

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him sound knowledgeable. It's one of those things where if

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you use enough enough labels and you have a certain

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way of speaking, you can fool people into thinking that

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you're you're intelligent. You know, it's like, uh, Peterson, you know,

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the dumb person's view of what a smart person would

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be like. And so, yeah, it is no such thing.

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It has been since the Javes Revolution national socialist or

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social nationalist state in one form or another. The worst

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part is that, at least under Chavez it was very

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very successful. That was overturned by by American sanctions unfortunately,

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and sanction can actually work when you're that close to

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the US.

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Speaker 1: But everybody there is eating dogs. Yeah that's what Ben Shapiro.

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That's what Ben Shapiro told me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he says that he's the arbiter of what's

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right wing. Can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk about Venezuela. Start wherever you want, you know,

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because it looks like they want regime change there now,

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and all the usual suspects are calling for it.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's so much to do. I've been

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writing on this topic since Chavez first was elected. But

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even during Trump's first term, the US came close to

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invading Venezuela, which today would be a very bad idea.

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this point, the country has been in the crosshairs. Venezuela

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is the best armed country in Latin America, the best

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air defense. And the reasoning Trump's Donald Trump's the naval

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build up there, I don't know. Donald Trump's rationale is

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so hilarious and ignorant. There's so many layers of ignorance

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and layers of mythology there it would take a book

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to unpack. But as we all know, late August of

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this year, the very overstretched and struggling US navy approach

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the Venezuelan coast has done nothing except destroy a couple

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of boats that claims are without any evidence, never has

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given any evidence. We're moving drugs, and it's gone gone

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no further than that, Venezuela under Maduro in a very

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smart move of course, went to Russia and China for

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assistance Iran as well. I think there's about ten thousand

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military personnel. I think we're mostly marines stationed in Puerto Rico.

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these on these boats. So, you know, Donald Trump back

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in early on revoked all of the oil concessions like

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Chevron everything else, and I wasn't sure that he had

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any control over that. So these reporters, you know, he

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reversed the license given a Chevron to operating in Venezuela,

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and I wasn't sure. I had never heard that the

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president has a power over that. But at the very least,

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oil and the rarest minerals there since he was first elected.

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from twenty two So the maximum pressure, the sanctions. As

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that close. They're breaking the dependence on the US. But

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Latin America is so connected to the US that you

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know it can actually hurt, and it is the case there.

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proclaimed the legitimate president one hundred times. New guy now,

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and you know you have people like John Bolton who

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somehow believe he has the right to decide whether an

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election is legitimate or not. There were no American observers

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for any of these elections. Russia has stood by Venezuela

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arming into the teeth, and I think the reason that

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there has been no attack on Venezuela is because some

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of the advanced weapons systems that the Russians have sent

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to it. Now, in July, Venezuela held its presidential election.

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Maduro won again. Now it makes sense that he would win.

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The US has typically condemned it before it happened. And

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a telling fact is that the opposition called for a boycott.

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you know you're going to lose. The US tried to

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disrupt it in many ways. Someone who I cite all

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the time, Druggled Bosnic who he interviewed a Serbian member

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of Parliament, Torbitscha, who is an election observer. In Caracas.

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they were under tremendous pressure to elect Washington's candidate, but

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they did not. They kept going with this mythology lack

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of freedom and democracy in all of this. But the

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you know, back prior to the election of Trump, former

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Secretary of State Blincoln declared that Mundo Gonzalez to actively

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won the presidential election, provided zero evidence here. In fact,

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he said that Venezuelan people spoke resoundingly on July twenty

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eighth and made Gonzalez a president elect. This coming from

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the Biden administration. Member of the Biden administration. By the way, EU, NATO,

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all the other vassals rejected the result to the election.

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They had no observers there. In fact, he didn't say

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that he won. He won by an insurmountable margin and

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the only authority he had was the Carter Center in Atlanta,

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who had no one there beyond that. This NGO, he

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claimed it was independent, but it receives money from many

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federal agencies, including the State Department. Not called Rubio. I

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think we all know he supported the overthrow Elliot Abrams.

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overthrow Menduro. Now you know, in the beginning of the

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Iraq War, One of the reasons Saddam didn't do well,

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although he did better than what was said to us

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in the nineties, was that the US and these reality

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were able to bribe the top brass to abandon Saddam

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Hussein with large sums of money. There was an attempt

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to do that here and it failed. Venezuela has three things.

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The largest oil reserves over which the US doesn't have

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any control of course, an alliance with Russia China iron Opek,

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and a firmly social nationalist social project. It isn't communists,

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it is it is national socialists. They respect private property

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and it's been incredibly successful in terms of you know,

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not not just you know, the equality of workers and

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land going to the tillers. But as all this is

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going on, he was done everything to carry out regime

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change and install a public government, sanctions, diplomatic warfare, coup attempts,

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manipulating elections, secret operations. It was recently, I can't believe

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I had to read this three times. The former commander

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of the US Southern Command, General Laura Richardson, she directed

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US military operation in the Caribbean around Venezuela, and she said, well,

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there are you know. I'm sure she's a bt of

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jokes around the top brass in Venezuela and other militaries too.

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She said, this is really about controlling natural resources, oil, lithium, gold,

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rare earths. It's an extremely strategic country. She came out

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directly and pointed to these resource reserves. It's the main

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reason behind the decades long attempt for regime change and

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economic sanctions and people like Shavez and they're well aware

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of this. The elections were observed and in general were

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free of distortion except by the US. The Supreme Court

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did a lengthy review of the July twenty eighth elections,

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you know, and declared it with but there were a

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few minor errors, of course, but declared a clear We

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certified in an uninjectionable way. The examine the electoral evidence

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to confirms the results proclaimed by the National Electoral Council.

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He won fifty compared to forty three percent, and Mundo

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Gonzales and third parties, you know, took care of the

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of the rest. Gonzales, of course, educated American University in Washington.

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Speaker 2: You know, but you know, his his victory also is

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proved by local elections. The Social nationalist parties dominated those

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two and that's that's really your your proof, you all

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kinds of the great patriotic poll. I don't know that

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poll meaning I don't know. I'm sure it sounds better.

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the liberal opposition, lost more than half they had one.

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the American educated Maria Karina Machado, reiterated calls for boycott

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and the only place they really won were wealthy you know,

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East Caracas areas pro government uh at state capitals twenty

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three out of twenty four. Now, I did dig and

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find out exactly how they vote, and I think it's

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much better than how the Americans do it. It's it's

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electoral horseshoe. Then call them. The first station a voter

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goes to, they run their fingerprints through about you know,

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ID machine. Once cleared, they moved to the second step,

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which is where they vote and touchstone touchscreen machine. Uh.

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and that's deposited in the ballot box. And then voters

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sign and stamp their fingerprints on the electoral record. So

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had people from Brazil and Colombia there saying that this

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was perfectly acceptable. Many of them went to like random

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polling stations and checked everything, and everything seemed fine. There

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were some long wait times, but that was you know

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the worst thing. They had one touch screen for for

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you know, eight every eight hundred voters, which caused delay.

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So that was that was it. That was the worst

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part of it. Now Gonzales is allited with Machada. Will

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get to her in a second. She's not in the

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ballot because of her She had been politically disqualified, which

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normally is what happens when you attempt to overthrow your

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own government over and over again. That was upheld by

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the Supreme Court, I guess in January. And she's supported attacks,

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she wants invasion, you know, the misery of her own people.

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This is what happens when you're more American than than Venezuelan.

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She supported American.

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Speaker 1: Judaized American.

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she was educated at Yale. What a shy All these

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they're all the same all. She supported all the sanctions.

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She knows the misery it causes, you know, And her

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agenda is there is a ninety page book with her plans,

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her electoral plan that you know, most people are not

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going to read. By the way, Machado's father was a

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wealthy steel tycoon who had her steel plant, his steel

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plant nationalized by Chavez. So there's a little bit of

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a personal issue here as well. And the whole thing

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is what you might expect, Slashing social spending, abolish free healthcare,

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do you regulate the labor market, reduce worker protections, but

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basically austerity. I don't know who would vote for this.

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you know I've been doing I've been following this for

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a long time. I want to quote myself here, back

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in twenty nineteen. Here's what I said. The MUD, which

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is a CIA directored Democratic Unity Roundtable, is hardly a

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popular force. Suspiciously, most of its parties are tiny and

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recently founded. Justice First is the only major party with

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thirty three seats in the Assembly. It was founded only

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in two thousand. National Convergence is minuscule and founded in

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ninety three. It has zero seats. Something called the Fearless

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People's Alliance is based around one person, Antonio Lesima, who

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won an award by the way the National Endowment for

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Democracy in twenty fifteen. He has no seats. The Ecological

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Movement in Venezuela has a handful of members with founded

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in twenty ten, and the Movement for a Responsible, Sustainable

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and Entrepreneurial Venezuela, apart from having the longest name among

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political parties, its website doesn't exist. It might not exist

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at all. So these parties are created to make it

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seem like there's a coalition here. The US has some

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control over the press down there. They have some control

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over polling data down there. Now, it's true that Donald

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Trump has moved away from the electoral issue, which was

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a big thing years ago, to the so called to

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the so called drug issue, which we'll get to also

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in a moment, But the US provides direct cash support

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one Guido, any of these people. Guido was able to

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take three billion in Venezuela and state funds, which he

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is effectively pocketed, which is why you don't hear much

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about him anymore. The CIA conducted to something called Operation Pincer,

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drafted by the US embassy official Michael Steere. Uh, and

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he you know, wrote about this. The opposition forces that

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attacked the Electoral Commission building, Supreme Court, Presidential Palace. Uh.

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There was an arsonal attacked on the School of Social

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Work at the Central University of Venezuela for some reason.

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Well I think the reason is they were opposition meant

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trapped in there and they burnt the building down.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: There they've been. They've they've given support to, you know,

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back in not that long ago, those attempts to infiltrate

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the border from Colombia, even though Columbia is an allied state,

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six individuals trying to get to the electrical grid. Sanctions,

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I mean, you know, sanctions are a pillar of American

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foreign policy, deliberately designed to interfere with Venezuelan and sovereigns.

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They result in economic harnship. And the point is they

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think that if the economy it goes down because of

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these sanctions, they'll blame Maduro and they do not because

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he won the elections. Again, they have now been increased

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and you know, in the Biden administration was the same way,

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and the sanctions have a lot to do with problems

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in the in the economy. Now, the electoral issue is

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one thing, that's what it used to be a few

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years ago. The drug issue now is where Trumps has

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changed it to. I don't know when it was, it

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was probably late summer. The Trump administration, through Pambondi, put

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a fifty million dollar reward on information leading to the

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arrest of Maduro, and it's to make Maduro seem like

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a cartel leader despite the fact that there are no

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cartels in Venezuela. They've invented one, the Cartel of the Sons.

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And then in her speech, Bondie accused Madurero of heading

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up one of the most notorious drug trafficking operations that's

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a threatning the American national security. He utilizes foreign terrorists

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and criminal organizations, the Mexican Cineloa cartel. Now, this is

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funny that they even bring that up. First of all,

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they're allied with the UNS and they're in Mexico. There

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are no native cortels, at least not anymore in Venezuela.

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There's maybe some debate over that, but even if they are,

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they're very tiny, that military is dedicated to fighting drugs.

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They say the same thing in Afghanistan under the talibums,

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the same thing in Burma. They say the same thing here.

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So suddenly Trump starts talking about cocaine again. They try

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to link various Venezuelan officials with trafficking. There was a

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federal indictment filed in New York as he rose through

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the rank to the cartel of his sons. That was

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in actually that was in the Miami Herald, and his

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point was to flood the US with cocaine to inflict

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harm and damage on the country. No offered, No evidence

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was ever offered. The Human Rights report for Venezuela. You know,

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I've read this and it condemns it. You know, your

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typical list of abuses. It's strange. It doesn't look real.

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I downloaded the official copy. It's not an official letterhead,

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it uses no standards format. It was very rushed. It

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looks like someone who was written by someone who's never

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seen a report before. There's no footnotes or references of

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any kind. So it's just a list of assertions. So

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you indict Venezuela for arbitrary and unlawful killings with no footnote.

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Years ago, those reports normally ran about nine thousand words,

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but this one is just maybe fifteen hundred, and they're

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written about a high school level. This is very odd.

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They also they're also accused. They're also accused of failing

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to protect refugees and asylum seekers. I guess they have

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plenty of people coming to Venezuela to escape tyranny. Now,

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institutions like the UN, they're Special Report for Human Rights.

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The sanctions have accused. These sanctions the US the sanctions

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of one hundred thousand excess deaths of the last ten years.

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Sanctions are completely different in Latin America than they would

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be in Russia or China. In fact, they even Trump

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administration invoked the Alien Enemies Act of seventeen ninety eight.

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So yeah. The point is, because Venezuela has no cartels

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of any note, the regime had to had to invent them.

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The Cartel of the Sons made me laugh. I had

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I it's a mashup of themes from movies, the series Narcos,

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which I love, by the way, and cartels from all

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over Latin America. It started off as some kind of

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a rumor. It was picked up by the Wall Street journale,

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the Washington Post. They decided each other anyway, and it

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was repeated as if it was true because it came

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from these, you know, global and prestigious outlets. Jackson Deal,

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who wrote for the Washington Post, was one of the

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worst accused him, and again no evidence is offered. It

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reminds me a little bit of what's his face in

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Pakistan to Pakistan in Panama Noriega. Now, whether Noryega how

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deep he was in this, I don't really know, but

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I'm telling you there was no reason or purpose for

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there to be any cartels in Venezuela or for the

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system to be profiting from it. He claims that, you know,

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and Venezuela's not really suited for producing cocaine directly. It's

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mostly Ecuador and of course Colombia. That the cartels fly

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hundreds of tons Colombian cocaine from Venezuelan airfields to Central

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America and the Caribbean for eventual distribution in the US

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and Europe. I thought that was odd. He doesn't explain

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why Colombia or Peruvian drugs needed to use a third

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country to deliver a product but he says the only

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reason they can survive sanctions is because they're they're they're

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selling drug. He offers no evidence for any of it.

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Peter Bolton, which I'm sure has no relation to the

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other one. This is back in twenty nineteen. These allegations

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have been going on for a long time. He says this.

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Four years since the launch of this probe, this investigation

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into this guy, the E A. D o J, they've

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yet to convict anyone. The mainstream, mainstream media reports these

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allegations that there will be on question. They talked about

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the cartel of the sons, even though no one's ever

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witnessed it before. Insight Crime, who I've actually cited before,

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who's actually a good, good organization on some things. They

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claim to have files on all of this, but they're

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report on the matter doesn't have a citation on it. Rather,

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they cite an anonymous Justice Department official as a sources.

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It's not a drug exporting country, but it's necessary, the

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myth is necessary to justify an attack. If anything, if Venezuela,

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it may be a single digits may have at one

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point gone through Venezuela and territory, you know. But but

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Donald Trump gives these speeches where he talks about fentanyl.

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He talks about even you know, fentanyl is a synthetic opiate,

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actual opiates. The UN Office on Drugs and Crime, who

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did an inspection, says Venezuela is free of both drug

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crop cultivation, drug lamps. You know, there's there's no, there's

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no it's not like there's it's not like North Korea.

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They can go wherever they want in the country. Now,

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the opposition is led by as we've already mentioned, Maria Machado.

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She is an oligarch. As I've mentioned, she was named

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Time Magazines uh in one of the one hundred most

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influential women in the world. She testified in front of

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Congress that Venezuela that Venezuela was the world's fourth largest

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producer of cocaine. Which it's a cosmic scale line, but

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that's justus fed into the into the mythology. As I mentioned,

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she was educated at Yale. I think she lives in

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North Carolina at least some of the time. She shows

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up the DeVos forums on occasion, but she's the one

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consistent figure within the oligarchy supporting these American supported candidates

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that ninety page program that I mentioned before her agenda.

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I'm not so sure. I mean, she's an educated woman,

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but I think it was written by an American PR firm.

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But the fact that she would support sanctions against her

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own country, knowing the misery it causes, even a foreign invasion,

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you start getting suspicious here, who would want this? Now

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you realize just how judaic American she is. When she

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starts talking about same sex marriage, like that's a big

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priority down there, There's probably zero support for that in Venezuela.

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She even claims on occasion to be homosexual. Sometimes all

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the trendy issues, legalization of medical cannabis, she wants legal abortion.

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These are American priorities, not Venezuelan. But when she starts

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talking about her gratitude for the harsh measures against her country,

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which there are thousands have suffered, this is just, this

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is just, this is outrageous. Her full night would be

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a Marina Karina Machado. I have not verified. I said

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back in twenty nineteen that she lived in North Carolina.

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I haven't verified it though, And the government very rightly

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accuses her of approaching the military defoement the coup, and

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she has and she acts outraged now right on her website,

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which is mostly in English, she has an appeal to

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the army among its few published published essays. I do

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think she has a stunted and tell us this is

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what happens when you grow up in a life of

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indulgence in luxury. Given what her how wealthier father was

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appeal to the army, of course it was a call

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for a coup. Now. I don't know the percentage of

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Venezuelans that speak English, but most of her stuff is

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in English. But Venezuela is caught in what we used

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to call a hybrid war, strangling the economy, making wild accusations,

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sponsoring its opponents, threatening armed intervention. This these ridiculous accusations

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of you know, the human rights industry and everything else.

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But from a military point of view, Venezuela has been

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dug in for some time. It has a national militia

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civilian volunteers, which has a huge support basis. I think

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as of right now, there are three Guida mill destroyers there.

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Since Donald Trump said that cartels are foreign terrorist organizations

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and their imaginary cartels are in Venezuela, this is what

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justifies this in his mind, although I don't know what

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even I think the number now is ten thousand marines

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in Puerto Rico. I don't know what they're going to do.

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That's certainly woefully insufficient. But people think that Venezuela. You

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know that. You know, Donald Trump has a terrible vice

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of believing in the invincibility of the American military, and

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we all know it's not true, and it is a

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paper tiger. As I said, Venezuelan airspace is the best

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defended in South America. Back in two thousand and five,

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I wrote on this years ago. They have a long

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range three D survellness radars that got from China. They

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bought fifty one military helicopters from Russia. All of these

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have been delivered, the advanced models to one hundred thousand

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and AK or the AK one O three actually delivered

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in two thousand and six or seven. In fact, he

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even has a license to make Kalishnikovs in Venezuela himself.

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Twenty four SU thirty fighters. They showed up in two

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thousand and eight their missile array. Remember what happened to

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the British Task Force in nineteen eighty two in the Falcons.

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I have a whole paper on that. It was almost

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completely wiped out. There's a whole set of reasons why,

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non military reasons why Argentina surrendered, and I go into

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that at length in the paper. But Argentina won that

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war by a massive margin, and it was because of these.

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At the time, the EXO set the advanced missiles from France.

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Now even years ago, I'm sure there's been more since then.

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The KB five hundred Lasier guided bombs, the A Cage

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twenty nine surface to air missiles, and then they fifty

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K thirty one, which are the anti ship missiles, which

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are very important. Now. The one mple I think is

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is how you pronounce it. He is he is on

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to the teeth here. He has the Russian SAM systems,

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the T seventy two tanks, military cargo aircraft, you know.

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Speaker 1: So.

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Speaker 2: And then Russia has been financing all of this. It's

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given given Venezuela credit to purchase all of these things.

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The US is, you know I this is why I

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don't think anything's gonna happen. I don't think the US

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wants to expose itself to even a marginally competent military,

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and the Venezuelan military has had ten years, at least

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ten fifteen years to familiarize itself with these weapons. And

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of course there has been Russian personnel there and Chinese

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personnel to assist them. I don't know if anyone in

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the US military even would bring up the Falcons case,

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00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,039
but they suffered ridiculous amounts of damage because of the

472
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:09,480
advanced missiles from France and elsewhere. Now, even if in

473
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:12,000
regardless of what they send with the US sends to

474
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:17,599
the Caribbean, what percentage of them are combat ready? They

475
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:21,440
could send a ship. That's a whole separate I got

476
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,599
a books worth of papers on that very question. I

477
00:38:24,639 --> 00:38:29,559
would say about half of the assets are combat ready,

478
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:36,119
but with advanced Chinese and Russian missiles, they're extremely vulnerable.

479
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:41,320
And in August of twenty twenty five, the Chinese Foreign

480
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,559
Ministry came out and said, we object to this completely.

481
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:52,119
We oppose the threat or use of force. We hope

482
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,480
the US will come to its senses, you know, and

483
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:05,119
diplomatic speak, this is almost availed threat. And you know,

484
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:09,519
Trump came Trump came into office condemning the Color revolutions,

485
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:17,639
condemning the nonsense regime change policies, and he's been involved

486
00:39:17,679 --> 00:39:21,360
in one after or another. And I don't know if

487
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,039
I mentioned this already because it's so outrageous, but Machada

488
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:31,280
won the Nobel Peace Prize. I got yeah this year,

489
00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:36,679
which shows you exactly what the Nobel Peace Prize really is.

490
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: But I've heard, I've heard that by winning that it

491
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,079
shows that you're really high IQ and like the smartest

492
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:44,920
people in the world.

493
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,199
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I don't know. I mean, of

494
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:55,719
course I expected it. But the Nobel Peace Prize for

495
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,760
a woman who's calling for an invasion of her own

496
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,119
country from her mansion in North Carolina or wherever she's living,

497
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,079
and sanctions on her own allegedly her own country, I

498
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:13,280
mean she, you know, her claims to Venezuela and ethnic

499
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,599
status are pretty minimal.

500
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: Look, the United States and this judaized government sided with

501
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,519
Stalin over their own, you know, over their own people,

502
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:30,079
and decided with against a national a national socialist government.

503
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:33,199
I mean, this is just history repeating itself.

504
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,599
Speaker 2: So you know, yeah, and I think that's something that

505
00:40:37,599 --> 00:40:43,440
that spun Hitler's head around, how really And there were

506
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,159
of course well aware of what they were doing in

507
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,599
the USSR, and of course that had to be projected

508
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:58,079
onto the Germans. Later on. You know, I spoke a

509
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,719
bit about the victory over drugs and crime in El

510
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,280
Salvador and the only reason that the US now not

511
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,400
so with Trump administrations have been pretty good on that

512
00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:16,440
by deministration condemned it to this guys. But even so

513
00:41:16,519 --> 00:41:20,360
cold like the National Review condemned El Salvador because El

514
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,960
Salvador has a relationship with Venezuela. So I'm not sure

515
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,280
off the top of my head if if Trump soured

516
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:33,039
on on L Salvador. It's too tiny. But let me

517
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:35,000
go into the record. At least you know, before all

518
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,960
these sanctions, this is how I got into this in

519
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,280
the first place. Here you have a clear example of

520
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,960
social nationalism put into action. Starting roughly in nineteen ninety nine,

521
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,320
the poverty rate went down from forty four percent to

522
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:58,360
twenty six percent, extreme poverty from seventeen percent to seven percent.

523
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:03,199
In twenty eleven, American sanctions have ruined a lot of this.

524
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,880
The Genie coefficient. The Genie coefficient is a number it's

525
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:15,119
actually decimal that measures wealth inequality. One means one person

526
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:26,840
in the country controls all the wealth. Zero is totally equality,

527
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:29,800
and it used to be zero point four to six

528
00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:32,119
in ninety nine. It went to zero point thirty nine

529
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,400
in twenty eleven. Well under an oligarchy that would of

530
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:42,880
course go through the root. Venezuela has the lowest recorded

531
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,840
ge coefficient in Latin America. And it's a pleasant memory today,

532
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,119
and that's a good thing. This is because farmers were

533
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:55,840
given title to land. A communist government doesn't accept private property.

534
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,199
This moron, this little midget talking about it. It's I mean,

535
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,800
you know, these are just labels in his head. There's

536
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,639
no such thing as private property in a Marxist state,

537
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:15,239
but there's actual ownership of land there. Land reform continued farmers.

538
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,760
I've since the landlords were gone, three million hectors hector

539
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:25,039
I think is like but roughly three acres. And ninety nine,

540
00:43:25,079 --> 00:43:28,719
Venezuela was making maybe half its own food, seventy percent

541
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:34,440
in twenty eleven. I've said these so many times. Food

542
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,679
consumption increased eighty one percent since nineteen ninety nine, and

543
00:43:37,679 --> 00:43:42,360
not like you know McDonald I mean their food Calorican

544
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:49,400
take one up fifty percent with some subsidies. There was

545
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,760
malnutrition before twenty one percent actually, and it's three less

546
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,079
than three percent in twenty twelve according to the FAO.

547
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,960
But you know, so you hear, you have his policies,

548
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:04,760
you know, national nationalization, but respect for private property and

549
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,440
for their for the small guy, for the small farmer,

550
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:17,159
small businessman, worked within a patriotic context. The worst thing

551
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:22,039
I think he nationalized the oil company and to have

552
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:29,599
the main oil company that alone, ps v VSA, PDVSA

553
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,400
whatever it was. And then Steele, as I mentioned later on,

554
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,960
was owned largely by foreigners. He nationalized it and that

555
00:44:41,079 --> 00:44:47,960
a lot that created national sovereigns. So he created Petro Caribbe.

556
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:51,840
I think it's how you say it Soavez did. This

557
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,119
allowed eighteen countries in Latin Americas for a secure energy

558
00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:05,800
supply and oil subsidies just locally, but also to their neighbors.

559
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:13,679
Remember when when Chabez was in office, when gas prices

560
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,920
went through the roof Venezuela did a very good pr thing.

561
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:24,360
It offered assistance to poorer people by providing fuel at

562
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:35,159
subsidized rates. Then he nationalized the electrical and telecommunications sectors.

563
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:42,000
He created fifty thousand cooperatives. Unemployment went down to almost nothing,

564
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,119
huge increase in the minimum wage, the highest in Latin

565
00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:54,960
America actually in twenty eleven, twenty twelve. I think when

566
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:59,039
was it when he first started this, like sixty five percent,

567
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:03,519
we're actually making a wage, like sixty five or seventy percent,

568
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,119
we're making that minimum wage. But thirteen years later it

569
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,719
was only twenty one percent. He reduced working hours of

570
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,440
six hours a day thirty six hours a week without

571
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:21,280
any loss of pay. Public debt fell entirely. Venezuela withdrew

572
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,920
from the IMF and the World Bank. They paid their

573
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:32,320
long term debts early, as the Russians had done. I mean,

574
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:37,320
you know, that's their record. Now Meduro has struggled, as

575
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,760
we all know. But because it's the nature of sanctions,

576
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:49,320
typical you know, social nationalism, you know, a socially conscious nationalism.

577
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,880
The nationalism has to be socially conscious. We're one people.

578
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,679
So nationalism is almost inherently socialist, and not in a

579
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,079
Marxist way, but in a Chestertonian kind of a way,

580
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:07,000
in a distributors kind of a way, in an idealist

581
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:13,199
kind of a way. And it worked. Same thing occurred

582
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,679
in South Korea. I've been through this so many times.

583
00:47:19,159 --> 00:47:26,000
But you know what, well, we only have ten minutes left.

584
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,360
I wanted to tell the story of the twenty twenty coup.

585
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,360
It's kind of funny. Do I have time?

586
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:39,599
Speaker 1: Oh, take all the time you need. God okay.

587
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 2: I hated Operation Gideon again, blasphemy against the Old Testament. Judge.

588
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:53,000
It was hilarious. A handful. This is the Bay of Piglets.

589
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,280
It was called for a while. There was a private

590
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:01,920
security firm, guy named Jordan Gaudreau, Silver corp Us. They're

591
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,199
going to infiltrate Venezuela by sea and remove Madurero from power.

592
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:10,119
It was set for May of twenty twenty. Now there

593
00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:13,360
were a handful of former military personnel living in Colombia

594
00:48:13,679 --> 00:48:18,039
that were supposed to enter the country by boat at Makuto,

595
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:22,800
take control of an airfield, then capture Maduro the next

596
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,480
spelling from the country. I think just some steps missing there,

597
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:33,039
but so he didn't. I don't know how many people?

598
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,039
Are you a break breaking bed or a no? Are

599
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:37,519
you a better call? Sauw fan?

600
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,199
Speaker 1: I am.

601
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 2: The attempt to the mercenaries that broke into Lalo's compound, Yeah,

602
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:49,159
how many were there? Six?

603
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:50,679
Speaker 1: Yeah?

604
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 2: Could you what? Of course they were not going to

605
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,679
do it. You would need you would need a thousand

606
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,719
guys to do something like that with their support an

607
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:07,000
unknown compound with very well armed they sent in six guys. Well,

608
00:49:07,039 --> 00:49:10,599
this is kind of like that, and he honestly believed

609
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:17,119
that could actually work, even went so far. You know,

610
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:20,039
he's a nut. Silver Corp actually was going to stay

611
00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:30,599
to maintain humanitarian monetarian aid distribution. You know. He what

612
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,199
he said in an interview to AP reporter when he

613
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:36,679
was in Florida was that this handful of guys we're

614
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,239
going to lead to a catalyst. He said, sixty guys

615
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:45,920
can come in top of the regime, or at a minimum,

616
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:49,840
sixty guys can go in and inspire everyone else to

617
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,280
top of the regime. He had a drug drug trafficker

618
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,679
with him too, named Elkin Javier Lopez. This came from Columbia,

619
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,440
columb He was not in on it. Two boats launched

620
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:10,519
towards the Caribbean coast of Venezuela, maybe sixty dissidents, two

621
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:15,000
American former Green Berets. They were employed by Silver Court.

622
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,880
Of course, within you know, thirty seconds, they were intercepted

623
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,719
before they reached land. There was a shootout. Six Venezuelan

624
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:31,760
dissidents were killed. All but four were captured. Their interrogations

625
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,840
were broadcast on state television. Funny Goodro never quite made

626
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:39,280
it to Venezuela. He was on He was tweeting statements

627
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,639
as this was all going on, suggesting that he was

628
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:48,960
winning Venezuelan agencies. You know, it is so poorly done

629
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,880
that they knew this was coming. He didn't. He didn't

630
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,320
know how to cover his tracks. But Maduro did, you know?

631
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,440
He called them terrorists they wanted was going to kill him,

632
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:06,239
created by the US. The opposition then went into damage control,

633
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:11,480
saying it's a false flag that Maduro were orchestrated. So

634
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,679
I guess they do believe in false flags. After all,

635
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:23,800
Goudreos is unbalanced. I don't know what his war record

636
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:28,880
really is, but he called himself this little band freedom

637
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,920
fighters seeking to restore democracy. He was a sergeant first class.

638
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,280
He was Special Forces Medical Sergeant indirect fire infantrymen from

639
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:49,719
twenty and one twenty sixteen. Now he claimed that Juan

640
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,599
Guado and two of his political advisors signed a contract

641
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:56,679
with him for two hundred and thirteen million dollars in

642
00:51:56,679 --> 00:52:04,280
October twenty nineteen. Two Americans were Luke Denman and Rian Barry,

643
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,239
both Special forces operatives. Of course, they everyone denied everything.

644
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,559
Five years you know, even even these people have been arrested.

645
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:28,079
Its coverage tracks. The US even arrested Gudrow. He claimed

646
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:30,000
he was wet weapons trafficking. It was almost like to

647
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:32,360
cover the failure. Still five years, la, whatever how long

648
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,960
it's been, there's still no trial. Goodreau is the source

649
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,320
of the rumors that Venezuela is the source of fentanyl

650
00:52:41,559 --> 00:52:46,079
in the US. Goodrea filed suit. Could you believe this

651
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:51,880
against all of these people for not paying them for

652
00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:55,719
something he got arrested for. CIA was behind him all

653
00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:04,880
the way. Violation of contract, you know, I can't imagine

654
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:13,519
it went anywhere. There was one Clever Acala, former Venezuela

655
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:17,320
in general who went to Colombian twenty eighteen. He's one

656
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:24,800
dissident who wanted to coup against something happened with him.

657
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:27,880
The Colombians arrested a handful of Columbians that were their contribution.

658
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,840
One Guido. Of course, whether he gets suit or not,

659
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:34,239
then I didn't any connection to it, even though his

660
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,280
signature appears on a lead copy and I have the

661
00:53:38,679 --> 00:53:41,599
image that I could click on, and when I published

662
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:48,000
this thing on a contract, the Washington Post, believe it

663
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:51,880
or not, found documentation connecting Guido to this operation, which

664
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,760
means the CIA was more than aware of it. Can

665
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,119
you imagine something so stupid? But it's a plan and

666
00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:06,320
so stupid. It's consistent with the projections and constructions of

667
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:12,000
the American intelligence community concerning its enemies, right because they

668
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:15,719
view Venezuela as a country dying to get out from

669
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,320
under the boot of this tyrant. So even a handful

670
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,960
of guys will allow democratic forces to take action and

671
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:25,280
get rid of them. There'll be a spontaneous revolt they

672
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:30,840
enter the capitol's heroes. It almost has certain similarities to

673
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,360
the Cursk incursion in the Rusto Ukrainian War, even the

674
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:41,079
bare pigs. At a minimum, it was the test of

675
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:46,639
the Venezuelan defenses aslong a its coast. But anyone, you know,

676
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,360
this was the most absurd. It's a little bit like

677
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,440
the coup attempt in the Satchelles. I don't know when

678
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:56,480
that was, nineteen seventy, whenever, it was what these guys

679
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:03,400
were thinking, that this could ever possibly work, And it

680
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:09,400
was all over, you know, Venezuela and TV and as

681
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,679
his member being arrested and killed Gudrou, who was never

682
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,760
part of it, never part of the the group that

683
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:21,559
actually was going there, tweeting that, oh my god, it

684
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:27,400
started already, there's going to be a massive uprising against

685
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:34,480
the government, So you know that. I mean, it's it's

686
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:38,039
not funny in the sense that people were killed, but

687
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:40,119
I think it is consistent with how the US views

688
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:45,760
it's its enemy. How anyone, any military man could ever

689
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:50,719
believe that would succeed. But this is a level. This

690
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,760
is the US will do anything, including a proved something

691
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,119
like this, to get rid of to get rid of

692
00:55:57,159 --> 00:56:02,880
that man. Once you're in the cross heres, it becomes

693
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:07,039
a fanatical, absolute fanatical obsession. But the fact that he

694
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,320
then went brought these people to court here's he's sitting

695
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,239
in I don't know. I don't know if he went

696
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,280
to jail or what. I don't think anything came of

697
00:56:15,039 --> 00:56:17,519
his arrest. I think it was just to cover their

698
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:22,159
their their tracks. I can't find any record of any

699
00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:33,719
trial anywhere with this guy. And this was in twenty twenty.

700
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,559
He and weapons trafficking, and then he sues everyone, including

701
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:40,800
one way to himself for not paying the two hundred

702
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,400
and thirteen millions. So God knows how much money he

703
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:49,960
was out personally, but you know this, it was. It

704
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:51,880
was their version of the Bay of Pigs, the Bay

705
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,480
of piglets. And and then yeah, and you have to

706
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,480
make it's a little funny, just like the attack on

707
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:05,159
Laalo's compound with six guys who had no idea where

708
00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:08,760
they were going or where anything was. They think they're

709
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,960
going to be successful. And I had to laugh when

710
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,840
I saw that. You don't have to be a military

711
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:18,039
man to know that is absolutely going to fail. I

712
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:23,920
don't care if Lallo did unlock the gate. So this

713
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:29,639
was just a It was almost entertainment at the time,

714
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,400
and I think that once Maduro kind of calmed down

715
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:34,719
he thought it was much larger than it was. He

716
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,760
did treat it as entertainment. But the US was involved,

717
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,599
Clia was involved, and the so called opposition was involved.

718
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:46,519
We have his signature to prove it, and that's the level.

719
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:50,199
And again it's consistent with how the Americans view their enemies.

720
00:57:50,519 --> 00:57:54,039
They thought this might work, or at least we want

721
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:59,079
to see how they react. And on that note, we

722
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:03,960
got to say Venezuela is armed to the teeth with

723
00:58:04,039 --> 00:58:08,639
a loyal, substantial military force, it's well trained in the

724
00:58:08,719 --> 00:58:13,119
use of these advanced weapons systems. The US is is

725
00:58:13,679 --> 00:58:17,920
treading on dangerous ground. I'll bring up the Falklands example again,

726
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,480
the British were destroyed by those extra set missiles. Same

727
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,599
thing is going on here, and but I think that

728
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:26,199
it's there for show. I don't know what's going to

729
00:58:26,239 --> 00:58:33,239
come of it. But the cartelvis the Cartel of the suns. Yes,

730
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,280
it's mostly from a few movies, but that's how bad

731
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,920
it is. And the newspapers will report Cartel of the Suns,

732
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:41,960
so it's like it's a real it's a real thing.

733
00:58:44,159 --> 00:58:47,239
And that's that's the grounds for these chips being there

734
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:47,760
right now.

735
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:54,639
Speaker 1: Is it still just the the oil?

736
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:55,639
Speaker 2: How much?

737
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: How much of this has to do with the oil,

738
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:01,119
because it just it just seems like that's the excuse

739
00:59:01,239 --> 00:59:04,199
they always use. But you know, I mean, this is

740
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:09,639
oil that's like real sludgy. There's very few refineries in

741
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:13,079
the United States that can refine it. So I would

742
00:59:13,079 --> 00:59:16,000
assume those who own that refine those refineries would uh

743
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:20,719
be be excited to get a hold of that oil.

744
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:23,960
But it just seems like that's too much, it's too

745
00:59:24,039 --> 00:59:28,039
easy an excuse, and it was used during all throughout

746
00:59:28,639 --> 00:59:32,400
the two thousands for for every war, and it just

747
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,519
seemed like that was the the like the NIT with

748
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:41,000
the low the low information excuse for these precisely.

749
00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 2: It's I think sit Goo was there gas station in America.

750
00:59:46,679 --> 00:59:48,360
I haven't seen a Citgo in years.

751
00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: Remember, I remember they were big up north.

752
00:59:54,039 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: Right with the red triangle. But yeah, that's lazy journalism.

753
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,400
You know, in the Middle East, the left was saying

754
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:10,559
that back then to avoid mentioning Israel, despite the fact

755
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:15,199
that the US got zero oil from that part of the world.

756
01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:17,960
The US is completely self sufficient and oil you know,

757
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:24,920
if it wanted to be completely you know, the environmentalists had,

758
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,280
you know, shut it down. I have heard, I've not

759
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,239
don't know confirmed, but I have heard that is not

760
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:34,719
the highest quality of oil in the world. But that's

761
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,719
such an easy thing, lazy journalism, and it gets repeated,

762
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:40,679
so that must be true. Now, this is this is

763
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:43,599
how politics is done, you know, political scientist who was

764
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:47,440
supposed to know better. Well, there cores plenty of other issues.

765
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:53,000
There's gold there, there's some rare earth minerals there, not

766
01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:59,400
in Ukraine, but some of them lithium in particular, lithium

767
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:04,119
is a big deal, and not just for batteries, for

768
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:09,159
a lot of things like that, to the telecommunications industry,

769
01:01:09,719 --> 01:01:13,000
and that done has a lot to do with it.

770
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,599
The American economy is de industrialized, so it's totally dependent

771
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:26,119
on its it's capitalists for profit industries invested everywhere from

772
01:01:26,199 --> 01:01:31,639
Vietnam to the Philippines to Mexico to you know, wherever

773
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:38,760
they can get away with it, including its military production. Yeah,

774
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,039
the oil is not something Your refineries are not going

775
01:01:42,079 --> 01:01:44,840
to work with something that low quality. You may have,

776
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,920
some can be very expensive, take a long time, you know.

777
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:53,400
Russian Middle Eastern oil is not like that. Lithium is

778
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:55,920
a big deal. It wasn't a big deal, you know

779
01:01:55,960 --> 01:02:00,519
when it first started, but it is now. But beyond that,

780
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:06,920
there is this ideological side to this. You have a

781
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:13,079
firmly nationalist government, conservative socially. I don't know why the

782
01:02:13,159 --> 01:02:15,960
left is claiming that it's theirs. This pisces me off.

783
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,039
I was reading someone with a Hispanic name claiming that

784
01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:22,679
he was a leftist. He was saying why it was

785
01:02:22,719 --> 01:02:29,880
far right? No, Now, this this was a by any measure,

786
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:35,760
something like a national socialist government, very conservative when it

787
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:41,239
comes to social issues and the family and private property,

788
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,840
but socialist when it came to you know, things like

789
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:49,679
a steel industry firm, sovereignty over its currency, its big industries.

790
01:02:50,639 --> 01:02:52,639
Because if you're an all producing country and a steel

791
01:02:52,679 --> 01:02:57,039
producing country, if those are controlled by foreigners, you now

792
01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:03,760
have zero independent So and don't forget Shavez throughout the

793
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:08,920
I m F, the World Bank and prospered as a result.

794
01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:12,719
These countries that have done that, from Lukashenko to Putin,

795
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,639
to uh Putin many years ago, to chungk Hey Park

796
01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:22,440
to even Cheghai Shek and military government in Taiwan, they're

797
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,320
they're they're standing embarrassments. I have a whole paper where

798
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,519
the US tilted to North Korea when chunk Hei Park

799
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:36,440
was in office, and it's true they did, including the

800
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,880
Pueblo thing, which the US permitted to happen. Long story,

801
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:48,360
but uh In in this case to have the so

802
01:03:48,519 --> 01:03:52,840
called Washington consensus, the DeVos consensus, the regime get kicked out,

803
01:03:53,239 --> 01:03:58,559
and then they prosper that you can that can't be

804
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:02,599
allowed to stand. So things like sanctions and all this stuff, threats,

805
01:04:03,159 --> 01:04:04,920
all the sabotage, and all the same things that they're

806
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:08,519
doing to destroy the ECAH. You see, that's what that's

807
01:04:08,519 --> 01:04:14,920
what national socials really causes. And so that's don't underestimate that.

808
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,559
That's a that's a big part of it. You know,

809
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:24,079
the regime can't have its polar opposites doing well. And

810
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:26,800
we know that we know that the route to prosperity

811
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,480
for a country, and it's that it's worked so many

812
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:32,800
times and in so many different places around the world,

813
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:38,920
third world, first world. Doesn't matter that we know the

814
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:47,599
basic structure of national socialism economically works and it brings prosperity.

815
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,199
Venezuela was in terrible shape in two thousand and eight,

816
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:56,280
two thousand and seven, she wasn't after ten years of

817
01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:02,559
Chevez and then the thanction started and it wasn't as

818
01:05:02,599 --> 01:05:05,280
if the government was going to not sell its oil

819
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:10,079
to the US, you know, but that was never an issue.

820
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:13,280
I remember when I was in early college, when I

821
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:17,119
was eighteen, I remember the journalists talking about, well, if

822
01:05:17,159 --> 01:05:20,800
Saddam Hussein takes over, takes over Saudi Arabia, he's gonna

823
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:24,679
put him an embargo on the American purchases of oil. Well,

824
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:27,920
number one, US doesn't get any oil from there, and

825
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,760
number two, oh, the EU did, and number two, I

826
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:33,719
would it do that? Why would it deliberately lose money

827
01:05:33,719 --> 01:05:39,280
that way? And there's sort of some of that left

828
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:43,480
here that you know. And you have a lot of

829
01:05:43,559 --> 01:05:48,679
very powerful people steel and oil industry, including the so

830
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:56,400
called opposition later herself who lost out. And there's still millionaires.

831
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,320
It's not like they're eating dirt today. She's not eating

832
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:04,199
cat food. But having her father stealed in plants nationalized

833
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:06,320
is part of the reason why she's the way she is.

834
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,320
And plus her a whole lifestyle of indulgence that changes you.

835
01:06:13,639 --> 01:06:15,960
That changes because she hasn't heard the word no before

836
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:19,719
until you know, to get kicked out of the country.

837
01:06:22,119 --> 01:06:24,599
And none of this, you know, none of this is

838
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,599
mentioned in these articles about her. I couldn't see. I

839
01:06:27,639 --> 01:06:30,320
can't watch the Nobel Prize thing about her. I don't

840
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,039
know what kind of speech if she was even there.

841
01:06:32,599 --> 01:06:35,920
I can't I can't even imagine the garbage, the nonsense.

842
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,719
She's an oligarch. No one's going to vote for that program.

843
01:06:41,239 --> 01:06:44,760
No one's going to vote for austerity. They if people

844
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,119
are old enough to live through Chavez, no one's going

845
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:50,639
to vote for what she has planned. This is a

846
01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:54,280
woman who thinks an invasion is wonderful, that they're great

847
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:56,679
despite how many you know, the UN one hundred thousand

848
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:00,400
XS deaths, the misery it has caused. Who's going to

849
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,280
vote for that? So you have to lie about it?

850
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:13,760
I think probably that's why it's ninety pages. So and

851
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:15,880
of course you know there's an English version which I've read.

852
01:07:16,519 --> 01:07:18,559
I bet you the English English version came first, was

853
01:07:18,599 --> 01:07:21,880
not written by her, but maybe it was approved by her.

854
01:07:23,079 --> 01:07:28,519
It's very p r ish. So yeah, the oil is

855
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:31,760
a piece of it. But but that's not that's not

856
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:35,800
the question. I don't remember. Did Cheves did say an

857
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,320
shoves anything about the Jews? I think he did.

858
01:07:40,679 --> 01:07:43,559
Speaker 1: I'd have to go looking for quotes. I'm not really sure.

859
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:48,159
Speaker 2: I can't say for sure. I thought he did, but

860
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,159
I'm not. Off the top of my head, I don't know.

861
01:07:54,639 --> 01:07:57,840
So so that's my that's my pitch here. Everything you've heard,

862
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,599
just like everything else. But then is situation is utter nonsense.

863
01:08:03,119 --> 01:08:07,880
And Donald Trump is is even further now weakening his base.

864
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:12,440
The US isn't going to do anything there. It's not

865
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:14,960
going to risk getting in the way of those missiles

866
01:08:17,119 --> 01:08:19,800
where there were They're very motivated and enemy that's been

867
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,279
dug in and waiting for this. This is why we

868
01:08:24,359 --> 01:08:27,119
know Aroan won the so called Twelve day War. They

869
01:08:27,159 --> 01:08:28,479
were they were waiting for it. They knew it was

870
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:32,560
gonna happen. They've been digging in for years, decades. Actually.

871
01:08:35,319 --> 01:08:37,239
I love how the assumption with these wars that they

872
01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:44,800
just leave everything out in the open. You know. Uh,

873
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,479
that's that's the assumption. That's that's how. You know, everything

874
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:52,079
has been brought underground, removed whatever it is to protect it,

875
01:08:53,399 --> 01:08:54,960
and plans have been put in place that have been

876
01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:00,279
there for decades. And what the hell's five thousand marine

877
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:01,079
is going to do? Anyway?

878
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: I found some Hugo Chaves quotes. He was vocal critic

879
01:09:09,119 --> 01:09:13,399
of Israel's military actions, particularly during conflicts in Gouza and Lebanon,

880
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:16,760
which he described as genocide and a new Holocaust. His

881
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:20,399
government severed diplomatic sides with Israel in two thousand and nine.

882
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:24,840
He often used the words Jewish and Zionist interchangeably at

883
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,479
practice critics. They blurred the line between political criticism of

884
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:33,520
Israel and anti Semitism, because Zionism has nothing to do

885
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:34,279
with Judaism.

886
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no.

887
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:41,119
Speaker 1: On nothing at all he's had. They say he had

888
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:46,640
classic anti Semitic themes, like saying they're the descendants of

889
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:50,279
the ones that crucified Christ and that they can controlled

890
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:53,960
global wealth. He also used to phrase wandering Jews to

891
01:09:54,000 --> 01:10:01,359
revert refer to the opposition, although his supporters claim that's

892
01:10:01,399 --> 01:10:05,600
just a common metaphor that's used. But uh, well, apparently

893
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:09,760
there's a there's a Jewish community down there that he

894
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:13,439
was he actually was kind of friendly with in insofar

895
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:17,800
as like like the leftist the leftist Jews, like the

896
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:18,760
Union Jews.

897
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,319
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean there's a Jewish community in Iran too. Yeah,

898
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,159
there as far as they're loyal, No one going to

899
01:10:27,159 --> 01:10:28,600
both of them.

900
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,319
Speaker 1: There's a Jewish community in Russia, and I've been I've

901
01:10:31,359 --> 01:10:33,840
been told that because there's a Jewish community in Russia,

902
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,159
that means that Putin is controlled by Jews. And Putin

903
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:39,600
went to the wall, the whaling wall, and kissed the

904
01:10:39,640 --> 01:10:40,560
wall and everything.

905
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:43,119
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then he took a picture with members

906
01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:45,960
of Chabad one time, and that picture is an argument,

907
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,760
you know, you know, it's it's true. This is and

908
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,279
oh and the Iranian leadership is all Jewish too, by

909
01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:56,880
the way, I have to deal with this. I have

910
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:01,000
to deal with this though, you know, I chose to

911
01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:04,600
do this stuff full time. You know, there's there's a

912
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:06,840
there's a point which I just can't But yeah, I

913
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:10,399
knew that he was like that, and that reminds me. Actually,

914
01:11:13,039 --> 01:11:20,960
what's her name, the opposition figure, Mahadow Machado actually went

915
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:25,159
to Nannah before the war of course started, uh, seeking

916
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:32,079
military assistance to overthrow the government. That was on a

917
01:11:32,279 --> 01:11:35,560
global research site. I haven't put that in the paper.

918
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:40,359
I just I just discovered that recently. So, uh, you know,

919
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:48,479
she is heavily Judaized obviously, Corina is her is her well?

920
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: Douglas Colonel Douglas McGregor said in an interview with Chucker

921
01:11:52,920 --> 01:11:56,319
Carlson that she said that her the first thing she

922
01:11:56,359 --> 01:11:58,640
would do if she took over as leader of the

923
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:06,000
country was move the move the Venezuelan embassy to Jerusalem.

924
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I had forgotten about that in my

925
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:14,359
in my lengthy discussion here. But yeah, so you know,

926
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:17,640
now we're getting to the to the deeper reasons for

927
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:26,079
the antipathy for the country. You know, powerful Jews, you know,

928
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,920
run much of the economy, run you know, they're they're

929
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,199
the majority of both parties donors. I mean, we have

930
01:12:33,239 --> 01:12:38,520
to take that seriously. That matters. Yeah, I knew, I

931
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,439
knew he was saying. I couldn't remember the top of

932
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,479
my head, but I knew I had a feeling he

933
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:44,960
had said he had said things against the Jews in

934
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:50,159
one way or another. Javez did well.

935
01:12:50,319 --> 01:12:56,039
Speaker 1: I mean it's he's a Latin American leader who hasn't

936
01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:57,119
in Latin America.

937
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, but this adds to the thing. This is

938
01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:06,239
a national socialist government that took a poverty stricken country

939
01:13:07,039 --> 01:13:13,720
to on its way to development. Today without American interference,

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of course, it would be a first World nation. Uh.

941
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And poor Saves died so young? What was it? A

942
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pancre pancreatic? Where did he die of?

943
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Speaker 1: I don't remember.

944
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Speaker 2: I thought he got of cancer.

945
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's say.

946
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Speaker 2: Uh. But so he was fairly.

947
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Speaker 1: Battling tough illness for nearly two years. Say, died of

948
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,800
a massive heart attack and his cancer. He had cancer

949
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in the pelvic region, which had advanced when he died.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I knew cancer was in there somewhere. How

951
01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:55,720
old was he? I don't remember. He was fairly young.

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I think he was well up.

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Speaker 1: Ye jeez. Yeah. He was born in nineteen fifty four

954
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or so. Yeah, he died at uh he was fifty eight.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's you know, that's very young. He was

956
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an extremely popular figure. His successors would be two. Of course,

957
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:23,880
no one's as charismatics as well. You can't expect that

958
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from Maduro or anyone else, any other member of the party.

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Speaker 1: He just was.

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Speaker 2: He was a character. He was funny. Then he was

961
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a beloved figure and a military man. Uh so he

962
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was a parachutist, he was airborne. So yeah, the US,

963
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the US is is really it's messing it's messing with

964
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with uh it's it's playing with fire as a slogan

965
01:14:54,119 --> 01:14:58,239
goes as far as but it hasn't done other than

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you know, killing these people. I don't know. I don't

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know if they were all Venezuela and citizens. I have

968
01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:06,640
no idea. They're not saying anything. We have no evidence

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from it. They just claim that they're They did the

970
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same thing in Afghanistan. They blow up a building and

971
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they'd say that was a Taliban heroin you know, distribution

972
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plays I'm supposed to take there, despite the fact that

973
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they had banned it, and there's a fat wall against it.

974
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I'm supposed to take their word for but that happens

975
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all the time. The New York Times says it.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get out of here. I will put

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all the same links I always put in for the

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two hundred Years episodes and encourage you to go to

979
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the show notes and the description to donate to doctor

980
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Johnson's work, and we'll be back in a couple of

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days to do episode eighty eight of two hundred Years together.

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All right, all right, doctor john said, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: All Right, my friends talk to you then, bye bye.