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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo Fay.
Speaker 1: Good afternoon, Bobo. How you doing today?
Speaker 2: Excellent? How are you? Cliff?
Speaker 1: Not bad at all? Not bad at all. I'm at
Speaker 1: the museum today. Of course I work every Tuesday, Wednesday,
Speaker 1: Thursday and Mini the other days as well, but here
Speaker 1: today just kind of touching up the museum, doing some
Speaker 1: touch up painting jobs. We're filling some new display cases
Speaker 1: with some cool stuff. We have some new original casts
Speaker 1: on display, you know, from Ape Canyon. Oddly enough, what
Speaker 1: yours it was like this year twenty twenty three, I believe, Okay,
Speaker 1: now I'm might be last year, but I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: it was this year. I think it was in July,
Speaker 1: if I remember right. Some local researchers found some stuff
Speaker 1: about a mile and a half above the Ape Canyon trailhead,
Speaker 1: so the general area, which is great. We put that
Speaker 1: on display early, even though we're planning on making a
Speaker 1: rather grandiose Ape Canyon display for the entirety of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, because that is the one hundredth year anniversary
Speaker 1: of the events. Yeah, beyond that, you know, I guess
Speaker 1: the big news of this week is that yesterday Keith,
Speaker 1: who's a contractor here at the NBC and general handyman
Speaker 1: and all around good guy, he came into my house
Speaker 1: where I lived because we're I'm going to start rewiring
Speaker 1: the outbuilding where your trailer lives, you know, yeah, And
Speaker 1: so we're going to start rewiring it because a lot
Speaker 1: of the plugs are dead and it just it's just time.
Speaker 1: I need to redo the lights and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So Keith came over, and I don't know anything about electricity, right.
Speaker 1: That kind of scares me. You know, you may find
Speaker 1: you may find that shocking, thank you very much. But
Speaker 1: so he was over, and he came over around noon
Speaker 1: or something. As he was pointing at this, and he says,
Speaker 1: you need this, and I'll give you a list of
Speaker 1: things to buy, and I'll come over and I'll show
Speaker 1: you how to do this and that and stuff. And
Speaker 1: we're done around twelve thirty. And I'm assuming it's raining
Speaker 1: pretty hard down there, because I know it's been raining
Speaker 1: like crazy up here. So I kind of said, well,
Speaker 1: you want to go to the woods. It's not raining
Speaker 1: real hard right now, and he goes, yeah, sure, I
Speaker 1: got nothing. So he went to the woods yesterday and
Speaker 1: walked because you know, it's been like I think right
Speaker 1: now as I'm saying this, it's like fifty eight degrees.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what it is here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so warm, and yesterday was no exception. It's
Speaker 1: that Pineapple Express that you know, that warm southern rain
Speaker 1: coming up. So it's been in the mid to upper
Speaker 1: fifties all week. I think yesterday was in Portland at
Speaker 1: least a topped oat at sixty or sixty two or
Speaker 1: some ridiculous number like that. It was insane. Right, So
Speaker 1: there's no snow and it's December, so I wanted to
Speaker 1: take advantage of getting up to one of my higher
Speaker 1: elevation spots. So Keith and I went out there and
Speaker 1: walked this one particular area that we've been lucky before,
Speaker 1: and sure enough we found prints again. Yesterday I came
Speaker 1: back with came back with five casts in my car yesterday.
Speaker 2: The same one, its the same smaller foot Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, this particular area has yielded two different sizes
Speaker 1: of animals before, a twelve inch and a fourteen or
Speaker 1: fifteen inch, and we have prints from both of them
Speaker 1: from yesterday.
Speaker 2: Oh, how were they in conjunction?
Speaker 1: Like, well, we found the twelve inch one where we
Speaker 1: found the twelve inch one before, and it was crossing
Speaker 1: the road and then running up the embankment that same place.
Speaker 2: We looked like at the corner of the road bends
Speaker 2: right there, not where.
Speaker 1: The bend is, no, no, no, before that, long before that,
Speaker 1: actually over by a spring, and then it went up
Speaker 1: into the hill. So we got one print on the
Speaker 1: road that shows a couple toes. It's not, you know,
Speaker 1: not going to impress anybody or anything, but I love it.
Speaker 1: We found one print on the road which we cast,
Speaker 1: and then we missed one. But then we found three
Speaker 1: others going up the embankment. And this embankment is it
Speaker 1: doesn't stop. It's the side of a hill. You know,
Speaker 1: it goes up like one hundred feet or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I found three or four before I lost
Speaker 1: it in the forest stuff. We tried to cast one
Speaker 1: of those. I don't have real high hopes for it
Speaker 1: because it was mostly in plant matter, but since I
Speaker 1: could see the toes in person, I wanted to give
Speaker 1: it a try. And then we continued walking this area,
Speaker 1: and about one hundred and fifty or two hundred yards
Speaker 1: down the road, Keith like, I see something in the ground.
Speaker 1: I go, that looks like a heel impression, What is this?
Speaker 1: And I'm like getting down and close and personal with it?
Speaker 1: And I look back and Keith is, you know, like
Speaker 1: five feet away from me looking at another thing in
Speaker 1: the ground, says, what do you think this is? And
Speaker 1: I started looking. I look at his I go, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know. That kind of looks like a heel
Speaker 1: of it. What direction?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is that a foot? Then by see is that a
Speaker 1: toe on that side? He goes, I thought it was
Speaker 1: going the other way, and we couldn't really decipher it,
Speaker 1: you know, because that's something I learned from Tom Shade
Speaker 1: when I had an opportunity to go tracking with him.
Speaker 1: He says, anything in the ground that looks funky, anything
Speaker 1: in the ground that looks unusual, down on your hands
Speaker 1: and knees and really look at that, you know, give
Speaker 1: it five or ten minutes if that's what it takes.
Speaker 1: Give it a long time and see if you can
Speaker 1: figure out what's going on. So Keith and I are
Speaker 1: like looking at his thing, and I think, I don't
Speaker 1: know what direction is going on? Is that a toe
Speaker 1: or is that a toe on the other side? And
Speaker 1: I go, well, Keith, look at what I found over here.
Speaker 1: And then I take them five feet away and I look,
Speaker 1: and he goes, oh my god, because he hadn't made
Speaker 1: it down that far.
Speaker 2: You.
Speaker 1: He goes, well, that's the heel, right, And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a heel. And we start looking and sure enough
Speaker 1: there's toes, which solved the mystery about which direction the
Speaker 1: other footprint was traveling on my dad. So we found
Speaker 1: three tracks there, two of which that we felt were castable.
Speaker 1: The other one was it was a mark in the
Speaker 1: ground and just there's really nothing to pour plaster in.
Speaker 1: And then of course we start looking around the area
Speaker 1: backtrack and go twenty thirty fifty feet in each direction,
Speaker 1: and behind where these two or actually three tracks were,
Speaker 1: we found some other marks in the ground, and Keith's going,
Speaker 1: what what kind of animal makes that? That's a weird one.
Speaker 1: It's like these weird scrape marks that were kind of
Speaker 1: like all going towards a central point and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at I go, dude, that might be a hand, and
Speaker 1: he looks, oh my god. There and then we start
Speaker 1: counting these scrap and you imagine like a big old hand,
Speaker 1: you know, sticking out. And of course it wasn't just
Speaker 1: one impression. I think it was a number of marks
Speaker 1: from the same hand as it moved around. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it was doing, but we counted five fingers,
Speaker 1: all kind of coming to a central point, and we well,
Speaker 1: we cast all these things and it was a sloppy
Speaker 1: looking print in the ground. I don't have real high
Speaker 1: hopes of the cast looking much like a hand, but
Speaker 1: perhaps it'll yield some sort of information. So that was
Speaker 1: just yesterday. So I kind of did a preliminary you know,
Speaker 1: squirt down to the cast, not rubbing it or anything
Speaker 1: like that because it's not set yet. So anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was yesterday. So pretty pretty epic day, man, pretty
Speaker 1: epic day going out to the woods on a whim
Speaker 1: and coming back with five casts.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, everything's coming up, Cliff, Well yeah, yeah, Me
Speaker 1: and Millhouse are kind of, you know, kindred spirits in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: So what's up with you?
Speaker 1: Man, anything good, anything unusual?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean getting nothing. They're getting in the woods more.
Speaker 1: So that's good, excellent. Where have you been going?
Speaker 2: Just up in the redwoods? Just different spots, nothing big,
Speaker 2: you know, just doing a you know, a couple of.
Speaker 1: Mile high Well, I mean that's all, that's all I'm doing,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, you go to a spot where they are, man,
Speaker 1: and you'll probably find some stuff that's great.
Speaker 2: But up there, it's like you really got it. For
Speaker 2: my experiences, you really got to get off trail usually
Speaker 2: to have stuff fine stuff or here stuff usually.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah that has been mine. But I mean we're
Speaker 1: just sticking on the road. So maybe we're just in
Speaker 1: a good spot or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in a better spot because there's not people
Speaker 2: trapsing around where you're aut like that, like like there's redwoods.
Speaker 1: No no, but you can probably go behind those gates
Speaker 1: and walk around.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah you can.
Speaker 1: And this is the time of year, man, because the
Speaker 1: tourist seasons pretty much not in existence right now, even
Speaker 1: though there's people around. It's a national park or the
Speaker 1: state park least, and of course it doesn't really snow
Speaker 1: necessarily on the coast there, So this sounds like a
Speaker 1: great time a year to be out in the woods
Speaker 1: in the red Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seemed pretty nice. And then so speaking of
Speaker 2: good weather, we got a witness. This is from down
Speaker 2: in San Diego. He actually my brother met him in
Speaker 2: line or in the bathroom or something waiting in line
Speaker 2: with the bathroom at the Dodgers game, Dodgers Padre game.
Speaker 2: He was a big Padre fan, so he came up
Speaker 2: to LA and Dodger Stadium and they got to talking
Speaker 2: in the line, and I guess he had a big
Speaker 2: foot hatter. My brother had a big foot shirt or something,
Speaker 2: the big foot thing, and they started talking and he's like,
Speaker 2: he's do you tell your brother to come down and
Speaker 2: check out my place? I got squatches there and then
Speaker 2: I talked to him for about ten minutes on the phone.
Speaker 2: And then I didn't get his number, and my brother
Speaker 2: had it and he ended up losing it. But I
Speaker 2: talked to him for about ten minutes, and he sent
Speaker 2: me a video clip of him talking, you know, about
Speaker 2: a forty five second clip saying, you know, this is
Speaker 2: where I'm at, and you know I'm done by lake
Speaker 2: handshot and I could just talk about for tests, I'm
Speaker 2: like this guy. It's I think he's really got him. Like,
Speaker 2: I'm like, he sounds legit. And then I uh, like
Speaker 2: a year and a half later, I'm watching We're gonna
Speaker 2: have Eli Watson. I'm from small Town Monsters our Guests
Speaker 2: like a month ago, and he was He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I made a movie called Bigfoot the Border. I check
Speaker 2: it out. I'm like, oh my god, that's that's Brian,
Speaker 2: the guy I talked to. My brother talked to you,
Speaker 2: and so I got in touch with him, and he's
Speaker 2: gonna come on and we're gonna talk about some Southern
Speaker 2: California squatching.
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, Southern California. I mean, I think it's overlooked
Speaker 1: for bigfoot habitat because it's some really crazy habitat down there, man.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Grizzlies loved it. There's lots of black
Speaker 1: bears around there. Still, why wouldn't there be sasquatches around there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think and I've always said, I think that
Speaker 2: might be the city going to the living peninsulahere. It's
Speaker 2: just so watered everywhere in green shrubberries like Vietnam, just
Speaker 2: thick jungle like I always thought, like, man, like New Mexico, Arizona,
Speaker 2: southern California, Like there's only so many water sources and
Speaker 2: there's only so much cover. I mean there's a lot
Speaker 2: of there's a lot more cover than people think. But
Speaker 2: the waters is the big key down there. And if
Speaker 2: you got a spot where they're going through near water,
Speaker 2: I mean I think that's a great spot to focus.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. So hey, Brian, welcome the Bigfoot and Beyond
Speaker 1: with me and that guy. We really appreciate you coming
Speaker 1: on and talking to us and filling this send. What's
Speaker 1: been going on.
Speaker 4: I had no problem.
Speaker 2: I watched your I watched your segment again last time
Speaker 2: on the on the documentary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Bigfoot at the Border, Bigfoot the Border, which.
Speaker 1: Of course, as Bobo mentioned, is by Eli Watson, part
Speaker 1: of the Small Town Monsters crew. I think all that
Speaker 1: stuff is Is it for free on YouTube? Brian? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It is, oh cool. So I always like driving us
Speaker 1: some eyes onto my friend's YouTube pages. So Agaain, I
Speaker 1: mentioned to you before the show before we pushed the
Speaker 1: record button that I don't really know anything about you
Speaker 1: or anything like that, and you briefly mentioned that you've
Speaker 1: been doing Bigfoot stuff for like what ten years or something?
Speaker 4: Yeah, about ten years?
Speaker 1: If I gather things directly from what Bobo said, you've
Speaker 1: had activity on your property.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I grew up there when I was a little kid,
Speaker 4: from about eight to twelve. My dad bought it and
Speaker 4: it's an empty property up on top of a mountain range,
Speaker 4: and we lived there for four years or so, and
Speaker 4: we had all the animals and we had a few
Speaker 4: weird things happened, but I never would think bigfoot at
Speaker 4: the time. And then the property went left alone for
Speaker 4: fifteen years and then I just randomly went up camping
Speaker 4: with my friends and it was my dad had the
Speaker 4: house bulldoze, so it was just a flat land on
Speaker 4: top and we just had a fire pit and we
Speaker 4: were just having fun up there, and then stuff started
Speaker 4: to happen.
Speaker 1: So looking back, when so you lived on this property
Speaker 1: as a as a young boy, sounds like and you
Speaker 1: said at the time he didn't really put two and
Speaker 1: two together that sasquatches might be involved. And I can
Speaker 1: totally understand that. What were the things now that you're
Speaker 1: older and having had more experiences looking back, what were
Speaker 1: the things that could have tipped you off sasquatches were involved?
Speaker 4: Well, we had lived in a trailer for before my
Speaker 4: dad built the house and we had movie night. There
Speaker 4: was five of us in there in one little room.
Speaker 4: And one night something walked up behind the trailer and
Speaker 4: tapped the wall right next to my dad's head. So
Speaker 4: he got out and with the shotgun walked around. There
Speaker 4: was nothing there. As soon as he gets back in,
Speaker 4: we start the movie again, it comes back and knocks again.
Speaker 4: And then there was a couple of times our dogs
Speaker 4: got so frightened they jumped in the truck and didn't
Speaker 4: want to get out. We dealt with mountain lions and
Speaker 4: stuff up there, but that never caused it. And the
Speaker 4: horses were freaking out a few times, and just little
Speaker 4: stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Now you probably had bears in the area as well.
Speaker 4: No, they released black bears out there a while back,
Speaker 4: but they didn't last long. They just ended up in
Speaker 4: the city, so they took them out. Just mountain lions
Speaker 4: and deer.
Speaker 1: Mountains had a lot of deer, Yeah, a.
Speaker 4: Lot of deer. I get them coming through in groups.
Speaker 2: Kats. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, when you said it tapped on the outside of
Speaker 1: the trailer, is it like a tap tap tap or
Speaker 1: is a boo?
Speaker 4: It was more like a knuckle tapping. Okay, like multiple Yeah,
Speaker 4: it wasn't banging, gotcha.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, But clearly something some sort of pattern that made
Speaker 1: you go, that's not something hitting the trailer, that's yeah happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we just figured as a ghost or something.
Speaker 1: But I love that that was your first go to.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's about all we could think of. It's too
Speaker 4: dark and there's no one up there walking around.
Speaker 1: Okay, so your dogs have been frightened a few times
Speaker 1: in this particular area. And on top of that, you
Speaker 1: had some knocking on the outside the trailer with no
Speaker 1: apparent source for it. Anything else, things moved around in
Speaker 1: the yard, or strange sounds in.
Speaker 4: The night, or no, we had some weird screams. We
Speaker 4: figured we're just mountain lions. But now that I look back,
Speaker 4: after what I've experienced now, I feared a lot of
Speaker 4: those noises probably weren't them.
Speaker 1: Did did any of your neighbors or your dad or
Speaker 1: anybody like comments about seeing them or seeing shadows in
Speaker 1: the night or anything like that, Well, not that I remember.
Speaker 4: It was a long time ago, but not that I
Speaker 4: remember that. We moved out of there because the neighbors
Speaker 4: were two in the drugs and all that. So my
Speaker 4: dad got us out of there. They're a little wild, tweaky.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it is the Inland Empire, you know. So yeah, interesting,
Speaker 1: Now how much land did you have? How big was this? Properly?
Speaker 4: That's ten acres? I still got it.
Speaker 1: Now since I haven't seen the documentary, can you describe
Speaker 1: the landscape.
Speaker 4: It's on top and it's like a football field size clearing,
Speaker 4: and then there's a little road that goes up on
Speaker 4: both sides with a little circle plot, and then the
Speaker 4: dryway comes up and it's on a big bank on
Speaker 4: a dirt road, and then the back area is mountains
Speaker 4: and it gets goes into the Indian reservation, so it's
Speaker 4: all emptied.
Speaker 2: The neighbor there's direct neighbors. I mean, it's like when
Speaker 2: you look.
Speaker 4: At it from the Google most of those are abandoned.
Speaker 4: Most of those properly there's no one even there.
Speaker 1: It Is it heavily forested or is it that scrub
Speaker 1: stuff that chaparral that southern California mountains are thick with.
Speaker 4: It's scrubs, But there's enough trees to make it thick.
Speaker 4: If you go on the right areas, it's it's pretty thick.
Speaker 4: There's some big oak trees.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these messages. Hey Bob, but
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Speaker 2: Now? I don't have that hat anymore. I gave it
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Speaker 1: So, okay, so you moved out of the property at
Speaker 1: some point when you're still young, move live somewhere else
Speaker 1: for a while, but you still own the property. What
Speaker 1: was what we'll call that previous chapter one? Where does
Speaker 1: chapter two start?
Speaker 4: About ten years ago I went up with a couple
Speaker 4: buddies and we just made a little fire pit and
Speaker 4: one of my almost some thirty eight, so I was
Speaker 4: about about twenty eight twenty nine, and we just made
Speaker 4: a little fire pit and we're just having fun, just
Speaker 4: at night, doing whatever. And on about the third time,
Speaker 4: I'm sitting there and we had a barbecue that had
Speaker 4: the lid on it about fifteen feet in front of us,
Speaker 4: and we're in our tent. It was like a half tent,
Speaker 4: and rock bounce right off the barbecue. So we all
Speaker 4: stopped and and I've always been in a big foot
Speaker 4: but I never thought it'd be up there. But I
Speaker 4: was just like, all right, let's trumple lights and be quiet.
Speaker 4: And then we sat there with the lights off, and
Speaker 4: then about five seconds later, another rock bounce right off
Speaker 4: of it perfectly. So then after that I was kind
Speaker 4: of thinking like, Okay, maybe something, maybe they are up here,
Speaker 4: because something's definitely up here. And yeah, and then about
Speaker 4: about a month and a half into it, we moved
Speaker 4: the fire pit to the other side, more by the
Speaker 4: trees where the creek comes out, and there was three
Speaker 4: of us. I was splitting logs, my friend was I
Speaker 4: don't know what he was doing, but and then his
Speaker 4: girlfriend was right there, and it gets dark out there.
Speaker 4: You can't see in front of your face if you
Speaker 4: walk away from the fire and she radomly just screamed
Speaker 4: out eyes eyes, and I look up and I can't
Speaker 4: see anything, but I hear it run from the tree
Speaker 4: and it runs around my car and starts cutting across
Speaker 4: the property. And I have no clue what it was.
Speaker 4: I just had this little flash that I just start
Speaker 4: running after it. I don't know why. I just wanted
Speaker 4: to see what it was, thinking it was probably a
Speaker 4: deer or something. So I'm cutting, running behind it, behind,
Speaker 4: cutting across the property, and I have a cheap flashlight,
Speaker 4: and I can tell it's about a little bit ahead
Speaker 4: of me, and I can hear its legs like running.
Speaker 4: It sounded like a swishing. And then when I get
Speaker 4: to the end, it goes into the trees and I
Speaker 4: see the trees moving like it went swimming right into
Speaker 4: the trees. And then after that I realized it was
Speaker 4: a big hairy man. And then after that I just
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, they are up here.
Speaker 2: So you saw it.
Speaker 4: I didn't see it, but I felt it, and I
Speaker 4: knew it was what it was. I knew that it
Speaker 4: wasn't a deer or anything else.
Speaker 2: Were you aware of the zubies?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 4: But now I remember I went to Baholla, that's right
Speaker 4: in that area, and the people talked about it all
Speaker 4: the time, but I never I didn't think they were.
Speaker 4: I didn't connect them the Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: So you didn't know any big Foot stories down there
Speaker 2: that like priorly, you like really started.
Speaker 4: Yeah, once I started digging in, I've heard other stuff.
Speaker 4: Like my neighbor I asked him if he gets anything
Speaker 4: thrown at him, and he said, yeah, I get stuff
Speaker 4: thrown at me all the time. And I told him
Speaker 4: kind of what was going on. He's like, well, I
Speaker 4: didn't think of that. I just thought it was the
Speaker 4: Indians throwing stuff at me from the Indian reservation. So yeah,
Speaker 4: everyone up there was kind of a little out of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that you're pretty I mean, there's no way,
Speaker 2: I mean, looking at that terrain and how far away
Speaker 2: the res is, there's no way that'd be an option.
Speaker 2: And Indians get blamed for throwing rocks and sticks at
Speaker 2: people all the time when they're you know, during rev
Speaker 2: that's that happened with that pop that I thought it
Speaker 2: was just the Indian screwed with me. It's like they're
Speaker 2: not they're not hanging out every day throwing They're coming
Speaker 2: around to night and throwing twigs and pine cones at
Speaker 2: your tent.
Speaker 1: That must be very bewildering for like Native people. It's
Speaker 1: like like it's like, like what kind of stereotype is that?
Speaker 2: You know? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like native? Yeah, yeah, we have Native people. They're known
Speaker 1: for going out at night and sneaking up on people
Speaker 1: and throwing the sticks and twigs like that's absolutely ridiculous,
Speaker 1: and it's like that's how unusual.
Speaker 4: But yeah, a few months after that, I figured out what.
Speaker 4: I figured they had to be up there. So it
Speaker 4: was the same I've gone through different groups going up
Speaker 4: up there over the time. And it was me and
Speaker 4: my friend his girlfriend again doing the same thing around
Speaker 4: the fire. I was doing something and we had a
Speaker 4: music box playing pretty loud, and I look up my
Speaker 4: friend and he's looking at me telling me to turn
Speaker 4: it down. So I turned the music thing off and
Speaker 4: I'm staring over at him, and then we have a pond,
Speaker 4: an empty pond. It goes to the creek. It's about
Speaker 4: seventy five yards away from us. All I all of
Speaker 4: a sudden hear this like owl like whoo, and we're
Speaker 4: looking at each other being like what is that? And
Speaker 4: my friend does one back, and then you can hear
Speaker 4: it start to walk through the pond and it goes
Speaker 4: into this like screaming, like whoa, just like screaming like that.
Speaker 4: And I have my hands on my head looking at
Speaker 4: my friend being like what is that? And I hear
Speaker 4: it walk across the pond up and we had this
Speaker 4: old chicken coop that's not there anymore, but it walked
Speaker 4: right behind the chicken coop and it got quiet, and
Speaker 4: then it went into this like more of a talking.
Speaker 4: It was like whoa, like doing stuff like that. And
Speaker 4: then on the other side of us, I hear one
Speaker 4: cutting through the brush. So there was two of them.
Speaker 4: So then I'm like, I want to see what this
Speaker 4: thing is. I want to light it up. So I
Speaker 4: get in my car and I have that thing full blast,
Speaker 4: going through the dirt and I have my high beams
Speaker 4: on and I drive all through the property and nothing.
Speaker 4: And then I get back and my friend is at
Speaker 4: the fire pit and he said, as soon as I
Speaker 4: got my car, he heard him cut through. And they left.
Speaker 4: But I heard yelling at each other for a good
Speaker 4: ten seconds.
Speaker 2: When did you start figuring out their travel route?
Speaker 4: Just it's kind of just one creek area from the
Speaker 4: pond goes to the road and it goes to the
Speaker 4: main canyon and there's a fence from a property that
Speaker 4: no one's there that is kind of like they have
Speaker 4: to go on our side of the on the fence
Speaker 4: to cut through, and it's real sick right there. And
Speaker 4: then if they cut through and go above, it goes
Speaker 4: up into the mountain range where the Indian reservation is.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of a perfect pathway. And if they
Speaker 4: do another way, it's probably a lot more difficult because
Speaker 4: the lake's at the bottom, so they're coming out of
Speaker 4: that canyon if they're getting water at the lake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool because you can see Cliff when
Speaker 2: we watch the video where it jumps the fence, like
Speaker 2: the chain lake is all bent over the top. There's
Speaker 2: a pole that looks like it puts its hand on
Speaker 2: the vault itself over and it's like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: a steel pole, and he's got a great tree break.
Speaker 2: That tree break he got awesome too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really twisted if you really look at it,
Speaker 4: like up closed and that pathway that cuts around to
Speaker 4: the backside of the fire pit. On that backside, there's
Speaker 4: this little pocket of thick trees, and I had a
Speaker 4: few things happened there. One time it was me and
Speaker 4: my buddy, and I told him about what's going on
Speaker 4: up there, and I had him come up about five
Speaker 4: or six times and nothing happened. And one night it
Speaker 4: was pretty late and we're just talking and all of
Speaker 4: a sudden, a rock comes and lands about five feet
Speaker 4: away from us, near the fire, and we both looked
Speaker 4: at it roll and we looked at each other and
Speaker 4: we're like, all right. In my mind, I'm like, all right,
Speaker 4: they're here. And then we just sat there quietly with
Speaker 4: our back turn into it, and a few more rocks
Speaker 4: come in and in the next minute, and we got
Speaker 4: so excited we gave each other a hug, and then
Speaker 4: we got quiet again, turned our back, and then I
Speaker 4: heard this like it was an old beer can that
Speaker 4: must have been down there for years. I heard it
Speaker 4: come off his finger as he threw it, and it
Speaker 4: cut through the brush and it lanted about ten feet
Speaker 4: behind us and just rolled a few feet and it
Speaker 4: threw an old beer can, and I wish I didn't
Speaker 4: do this, But then I walked over with my phone
Speaker 4: light and shined it into the brush and I heard
Speaker 4: it walk off and it was big, and it just
Speaker 4: walked into the dark, deep forest.
Speaker 1: Have you been able to track the things at all,
Speaker 1: either by finding nice footprints or just seeing their pathways?
Speaker 1: And the reason I asked this, I'm curious about how
Speaker 1: big their feet might be.
Speaker 4: I caught't. I found prince cutting across behind the pond
Speaker 4: after it snowed one day, and I'm really pissed off.
Speaker 4: My phone broke on that trip up there, and I
Speaker 4: ended up throwing the phone into the canyon before I
Speaker 4: walked back there and saw it. But they were perfect
Speaker 4: across the snow the abandoned road, and they were teenager size,
Speaker 4: they were smaller mine. It walked in a perfect line
Speaker 4: and it just walked right across the road, and the
Speaker 4: prince took the snow right off.
Speaker 1: So it was this.
Speaker 4: You can see them perfectly. But I've seen the other
Speaker 4: things in the ground, but it's really hard ground with
Speaker 4: weeds up there, and we'd have the pond, and I've
Speaker 4: seen some stuff in the sand, but I haven't seen
Speaker 4: anything like the ones in the snow. That was perfect.
Speaker 1: And as you say, there's more than one of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've had four of them come through one night
Speaker 4: at the same time. Yeah, I was sleeping. I have
Speaker 4: this little half shed now and it's right next to
Speaker 4: the fire pit, and my buddy was there, but he's in.
Speaker 4: He was sleeping in something where he can't hear anything outside.
Speaker 4: He's kind of in, and it was just me out there,
Speaker 4: and it's around three o'clock and I'm on my back,
Speaker 4: just half asleep, and I hear this this owl. It's
Speaker 4: like hoo hoo, hoo hoo. It starts up coming from
Speaker 4: the top part and I'm listening to it, being like, Okay,
Speaker 4: that doesn't sound right and that's different. And then a
Speaker 4: little bit later another one joined in, and then eventually
Speaker 4: four of them joined in and they were doing a
Speaker 4: perfect circle around me. There they had they had me
Speaker 4: surrounded just for a couple of minutes. They were doing
Speaker 4: a perfect circle back and forth, and I was just listening.
Speaker 4: And then the one that was over by my driveway,
Speaker 4: I hear it starting to walk up the hill and
Speaker 4: it got closer to the other one, and then eventually
Speaker 4: they started going, just them to start going back and
Speaker 4: forth until they started to argue, and it sounded like
Speaker 4: gorillas like doing THEO and they went at it for
Speaker 4: a few seconds and then it just got quiet and
Speaker 4: I didn't hear anything after that.
Speaker 1: You didn't hear him leave the area or no, not
Speaker 1: at all.
Speaker 4: But I heard that one walking up and it met
Speaker 4: up with the other one, and there were four of
Speaker 4: them there.
Speaker 1: Have you been able to speak with any of the
Speaker 1: indigenous people in the reservation about him?
Speaker 4: Uh? No. I never go back there. The road is
Speaker 4: a different direction and I never really go back there.
Speaker 1: And how big of an area is that?
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not sure it's a Santa Isabelle Indian reservation.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how big it is. But they got
Speaker 4: a lot of land back there.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, because southern California particular, a lot of the
Speaker 1: reservations are more like rancherias or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, these people want to be left alone.
Speaker 1: You can tell really who doesn't honestly?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Bigfoots included. So how close do you think you have
Speaker 1: been to one of these things? Oh?
Speaker 4: My best story is my friend Crew. It's me and
Speaker 4: him mostly now, and all the stuff. A lot of
Speaker 4: the stuff started happening when it was just me and him,
Speaker 4: and every time we were up there were like, all right,
Speaker 4: it's just us and Bigfoot tonight. And one night, it
Speaker 4: was around eleven o'clock. The stars are out, and my
Speaker 4: car and his car park next to each other on
Speaker 4: the side of where they passed through, and there's a
Speaker 4: big tree there, and he gets up and walks over
Speaker 4: to his car. He's like, I want to go take
Speaker 4: photos of the stars. So he walks away, and then
Speaker 4: I see him come back and he's like, hey, Brian,
Speaker 4: you can come over there with me. It's dark and
Speaker 4: I'm scared. So we both kind of laughed. So we
Speaker 4: walk over. He's in the back of his car this
Speaker 4: light on. I have my elbow in his car, and
Speaker 4: I'm just talking to him and mine's on the right
Speaker 4: side of meet my car. And then I hear and
Speaker 4: just feel this thing. It just stands up right in
Speaker 4: front of my car. And I look over and I
Speaker 4: see this like giant figure. I see the moon shining
Speaker 4: off his shoulder and his neck, and it was just
Speaker 4: a giant sasquatch just standing right next to me. I
Speaker 4: could have took one step and touched him, and he
Speaker 4: just casually walked away from my car and walked towards
Speaker 4: the trees, and no rush or anything. So I yell
Speaker 4: at my friend. I'm like, hey, crew, there's a giant
Speaker 4: man out here. And then he's like, I hear it.
Speaker 4: So he gets out and has his phone light on him,
Speaker 4: and the thing walked behind another tree and we're just
Speaker 4: standing there and I have my arms on his shoulders
Speaker 4: trying to see through his light, and we see his eyes.
Speaker 4: They were like bluish crystal and they're about a little
Speaker 4: over seven feet just peeking around the tree, not moving
Speaker 4: at all, and we're staring at him for about five
Speaker 4: seconds and I was like, hello, friend. I said that
Speaker 4: twice twice, and he didn't move or do anything. So
Speaker 4: then after a little bit, I was like, okay, let's
Speaker 4: trump a light and let him go. And as soon
Speaker 4: as he turned the light off, it pushed away from
Speaker 4: the tree and walked into the thicker stuff and left.
Speaker 4: He got his camera out after that and took photos
Speaker 4: of the tree lines and he didn't catch anything though
Speaker 4: it probably just left.
Speaker 2: Is that the same one where you were like ten
Speaker 2: feet from it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was right next to me because I was
Speaker 4: right next to my car, and it was probably just
Speaker 4: watching us around the fire, and we unexpectedly just walked
Speaker 4: right up to it. So then it was kind of
Speaker 4: stuck there and then just got up and walked off.
Speaker 2: That was around the same timeframe where you had that
Speaker 2: sleeping incident.
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, that was it was probably about a
Speaker 4: year before that one. I was sleeping there. It was
Speaker 4: around the same time as I think it was the
Speaker 4: time after. It was a time after I heard the
Speaker 4: owls where there was four of them and on my
Speaker 4: back again around the same time. And it was around
Speaker 4: three o'clock and it was really dark outside, and I
Speaker 4: have a little the little half shed has this little
Speaker 4: pole down thing and it's like you can see through it.
Speaker 4: And I'm laying there and I hear something walking up
Speaker 4: to me, and I'm kind of frozen, and it sounds
Speaker 4: like it's on two feet and it walks right up
Speaker 4: to me, and it sounds like it's bending over, and
Speaker 4: it's just I hear it's breathing, and it's real heavy breathing.
Speaker 4: It's there for about three to four seconds, just staring
Speaker 4: right at me, and there was no way I was
Speaker 4: gonna pull my blanket off. I just acted like I
Speaker 4: was sleeping. I was scared, and then it just walked off.
Speaker 4: And the next morning I look for Prince, but the
Speaker 4: ground was so hard. But that one was pretty scary,
Speaker 4: and I don't know what it was for sure, but
Speaker 4: it definitely wasn't a coyote or a deer, and it
Speaker 4: walked up and I heard it breathing really deep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say, with no bears in the area to
Speaker 1: speak of, than like, what else do you have? Really?
Speaker 4: After that, I stopped sleeping in that half shed. That
Speaker 4: was enough for me.
Speaker 1: How often do you get out there?
Speaker 4: It was every weekend for years, but lately it's gotten
Speaker 4: a car accident earlier this year, so this year's given
Speaker 4: kind of slow. I've only been up there about five times,
Speaker 4: but it was me and my buddy crew going up
Speaker 4: there for about three years. I felt like we were
Speaker 4: up there every weekend, and most of the time it
Speaker 4: was just us two. So I spent a lot of
Speaker 4: nights out there, just next to the fire pit.
Speaker 2: What time of year is more active than the other,
Speaker 2: or like certain times the night.
Speaker 4: Or I don't seem to notice the difference, even the
Speaker 4: hottest days they've been there, so I haven't really noticed
Speaker 4: a difference.
Speaker 1: What percentage of nights would you say that you notice activity.
Speaker 4: It would be about one every four for a while,
Speaker 4: but recently, this last this last year, I don't think.
Speaker 4: I think I've only had one little one, but I
Speaker 4: don't know. My friends been bringing this big old dog
Speaker 4: up there recently, so I think maybe that has something
Speaker 4: to do with it. But you haven't had them recently recently,
Speaker 4: but it was like one out of every four or
Speaker 4: five nights. It was almost automatic for a little bit.
Speaker 4: It seemed like.
Speaker 2: Once a month.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was something little or something, and sometimes they
Speaker 4: wanted our attention or sometimes they didn't. One night it
Speaker 4: was me, Crew and my other buddy. It was just
Speaker 4: three of us that night, and there was nothing going on.
Speaker 4: We're just sitting around the fire quietly, and then on
Speaker 4: the tree line where they passed through, we just all
Speaker 4: of a sudden hear this tree being aggressively shooken and
Speaker 4: I look over and this tree is just shaking really bad.
Speaker 4: So sometimes some nights we wanted to like really get
Speaker 4: into it, and some nights were just like, oh whatever.
Speaker 4: But that night we just all got up. I had
Speaker 4: my phone on me, so I pulled record out with
Speaker 4: the flashlight and we run straight into the trees and
Speaker 4: we hear two of them walking like they're walking off
Speaker 4: kind of fast, and they're big and heavy, and my
Speaker 4: friend's yelling, yelling the whole time about how big they are.
Speaker 4: And we walk in there and then it just got
Speaker 4: dead silent, and we froze and we're in the pitch black.
Speaker 4: We can't my phone light does nothing out there, and
Speaker 4: so I'm just kind of filming around the area and
Speaker 4: there's no noise or anything. All of a sudden, it
Speaker 4: takes off and we hear it, so then we run
Speaker 4: deeper into it and then it stops again. So we're
Speaker 4: just standing there filming, and I didn't know it until
Speaker 4: the next day after I watched my video. I have
Speaker 4: it on Instagram. So we're like, as I looked at
Speaker 4: in the morning when I was filming, about ten feet
Speaker 4: in front of us, there was these eyes that blinked
Speaker 4: at us that were just they were really low to
Speaker 4: the ground and these were big and yellow and wide apart.
Speaker 4: And then as I filmed towards the dock area, there
Speaker 4: was another one standing up behind a tree and it
Speaker 4: blinked too. It's like I had its eyes closed so
Speaker 4: we wouldn't see it, and they just blink to see
Speaker 4: where we were, and we didn't know where they were
Speaker 4: at the time. So then we walked over to the
Speaker 4: dock where that one was standing, and they didn't move
Speaker 4: at all. So we stood there on the dock for
Speaker 4: about five minutes, not knowing there was one just right
Speaker 4: behind this big tree the whole time. And then we
Speaker 4: walked back to the fire a little bit later, and
Speaker 4: they never made a noise after that. But I didn't
Speaker 4: realize that they were just right in front of us
Speaker 4: one night until I watched the video.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after these messages. Speaking of noises,
Speaker 1: you said you've heard some weird like calls and then
Speaker 1: then speaking and all that sort of stuff. Have you
Speaker 1: ever heard any of those long sort of ohio hows?
Speaker 1: Or do they just not do that there?
Speaker 4: They don't really do that there. I hear a lot
Speaker 4: of the cows, the mimicking of the cows and goats
Speaker 4: that was popular for a while. Like one time I
Speaker 4: was playing catch with my friend with the football and
Speaker 4: it was dark and the driveway cuts goes down on
Speaker 4: the bank side, so we're right there and out of nowhere,
Speaker 4: a cow, a full grown cow, is moaning just twenty
Speaker 4: feet away from us on the driveway, and we can't see.
Speaker 4: It's too thick and dark, and it's just right on
Speaker 4: our driveway. And the morning I go down, there's no prints,
Speaker 4: there's no cow. I started to notice it after that,
Speaker 4: and then one time ME and my buddy are on
Speaker 4: the fire and from the top part, we all of
Speaker 4: a sudden hear a cow. It was like, ma, so
Speaker 4: I get up and do one back, and then it
Speaker 4: does it again. Me and I go back and forth
Speaker 4: a few times as it's getting closer to us, and
Speaker 4: then it must have got close enough to realize I
Speaker 4: was a human, and then it went more into this
Speaker 4: like squird screaming, and then it just got quiet and left.
Speaker 1: Well that that sounds soothing, Yeah.
Speaker 2: How offul? Did you hear him vocalized before they got
Speaker 2: to your property? You know, like would you hear like
Speaker 2: one hundred yards out or a quarter mile hour?
Speaker 4: Sometimes they're just right there at nighttime, sometimes like that
Speaker 4: one on the driveway, he was he was twenty feet
Speaker 4: he was just right there, a full full cow right there.
Speaker 4: And then one time I woke up and we have
Speaker 4: a big trampoline up there now, and I got up
Speaker 4: off the trampoline like seven o'clock and my other buddies
Speaker 4: are still sleeping. As soon as I put my toe
Speaker 4: on the ground, we have this old trailer that shoved
Speaker 4: into the trees and it's probably about seventy five yards
Speaker 4: away from us. As soon as my foot hit the ground,
Speaker 4: I hear a goat and I was like ah, And
Speaker 4: I look over at my friend and she's laying down.
Speaker 4: She's like, there's a goat. And I run over there,
Speaker 4: thinking there was a goat there, and as soon as
Speaker 4: I got there, it's just dead silent and all I
Speaker 4: hear is the bees. And that's when I fully realized.
Speaker 4: I was like, all right, they're just messing with us,
Speaker 4: or maybe one made that noise to let the other
Speaker 4: ones know I'm up, because they're just hanging around.
Speaker 2: Eli got those recordings when he was there with the
Speaker 2: cow recordings.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Eli asked if I do a wood knock.
Speaker 4: So I did one, and about ten seconds later, right
Speaker 4: after I got done tell them about the cows, we
Speaker 4: had a cow go off. It's probably one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty yards and it was on the abandoned property. We
Speaker 4: went over there and looked. Afterwards, was a full cow,
Speaker 4: It just immediately replied, But there were no there was
Speaker 4: no cow when you were no, there's no Yeah, there's
Speaker 4: no cows up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You look on you look on the solidite cliff.
Speaker 2: There's there's no cows.
Speaker 1: Now you mentioned bees very quickly, so you have you
Speaker 1: have bee hives.
Speaker 4: We have the sun bees, the yellow ones.
Speaker 1: Do they make honey?
Speaker 4: No? They bite you and they go into your SODA's
Speaker 4: but oh oh, like.
Speaker 1: Like yellow jackets. Yeah, okay, gotcha, gotcha? All right? So
Speaker 1: what about other sounds like knocks? Do you ever get those?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I get knocks all the time on the abandoned property.
Speaker 4: I think they really like that area because I'll get
Speaker 4: the knox all the time. They never reply with a
Speaker 4: knock back to me. But I get knocks all the time.
Speaker 4: I hear them. Sometimes they're deeper than others.
Speaker 1: There is one, just one knock at a time. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: What's on that abandoned property?
Speaker 4: Some guy bought it and made a vineyard a long
Speaker 4: time ago, probably fifteen years ago, but he failed and
Speaker 4: then sold it and it went through some owners. No
Speaker 4: one's done anything with it, and now I think a
Speaker 4: guy in the military has it. But he's never up
Speaker 4: there and he hasn't touched it.
Speaker 1: Are there grapes grapevines there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're all rotted out and it gets no
Speaker 4: water or anything.
Speaker 1: Does another of them produce grapes that are something?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 4: Yeah, No one's up there doing anything.
Speaker 1: What do you think they're on your property? I mean
Speaker 1: it's just a passage, a pathway from one spot they're going.
Speaker 4: And then sometimes I'm thinking that, and sometimes I think
Speaker 4: they just hang out over there.
Speaker 1: They hang out.
Speaker 4: They I've noticed in the mornings, like I just sometimes
Speaker 4: I feel like they're in the brush watching me until
Speaker 4: I get up, and it's just they like to be close.
Speaker 4: I don't know. They've never been threatened by them, but
Speaker 4: I've been scared.
Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned a chicken coop earlier too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was when I was a kid. We had
Speaker 4: that and then we end up burning it.
Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha, gotcha? Hopefully no chickens inside.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So one time it was just me up there
Speaker 4: by myself, and I was waiting for my friend he
Speaker 4: was running late, and they got dark and I'm chopping
Speaker 4: wood and then right before it got dark, I want
Speaker 4: to go pick up trash with one of those little
Speaker 4: arm things. I'm just walking around with the bag picking
Speaker 4: up the trash at the wind blew, and I'm on
Speaker 4: the tree line next to the fence where the abandoned
Speaker 4: property is, and then I hear this like weird, like
Speaker 4: like metal noise, like someone has a sheet of metal
Speaker 4: and he's like bending it and it's doing the wall
Speaker 4: wall wall like that kind of a noise, and it's
Speaker 4: just right up in there, and I'm trying to look
Speaker 4: and there's no one up there, and so I went
Speaker 4: and did a wood knock and then nothing. I forget
Speaker 4: about it. And then it gets dark and I'm getting
Speaker 4: the fire going, and then I hear a crack coming
Speaker 4: like on the other side of the tree line, and
Speaker 4: I hear crack, so I kind of just look up
Speaker 4: and I'm looking through the fire and I see these
Speaker 4: eyes just staring at me and they're standing up and
Speaker 4: it's not even behind a tree or anything. It's just
Speaker 4: standing there. So I'm looking at it for a bit
Speaker 4: and I'm like, is that real? And then I, for
Speaker 4: some reason, I pointed at it and I was like,
Speaker 4: I see you, just to see what would happen, and
Speaker 4: then the eyes just smoothly went straight to the ground.
Speaker 4: It was like it came like a foot off the
Speaker 4: ground just smoothly went down. And then I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: that's real, and I got real scared. I was by
Speaker 4: myself and it was My car was halfway to it,
Speaker 4: so I couldn't just go and sit in my car.
Speaker 4: And I never had an encounter that close, and I
Speaker 4: totally believe it was one, but I never had to
Speaker 4: encounter that close when I was by myself. And then
Speaker 4: I called my brother. I was sitting around the fire,
Speaker 4: called my brother. My brother answers and I was like, Vinnie,
Speaker 4: I'm staring at one right now. I don't know what
Speaker 4: to do. I'm kind of scared. And then he was
Speaker 4: over there arguing with my dad and he's like hanging
Speaker 4: on a second Brian's and Brian's scared. So then as
Speaker 4: I was talking to him, my friend drove up the
Speaker 4: driveway and then I looked over and it was gone.
Speaker 1: It ran off.
Speaker 4: But that was pretty creepy just the way it moved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was it about the way it moved.
Speaker 4: It just smoothly went to the ground and it went
Speaker 4: really low to the ground after standing up, after it
Speaker 4: was seven feet up, and it said, eyes just yeah,
Speaker 4: they didn't move much, it just lowered.
Speaker 1: You've described several colors of eyeshine so far.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think it matters what light's hitting it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what kind of bul or whatever. Yeah, or ambient
Speaker 1: light perhaps, Yeah. Yeah, I've thought something very similar for
Speaker 1: a long time. So that's what I wonderful up one
Speaker 1: of the sea. So have you ever found any animal
Speaker 1: kills or other foraging signs of things that they might
Speaker 1: be going after on or near your property?
Speaker 4: Not really? Oh no. One time I'll walk over by
Speaker 4: the dam and I see deer prints coming up, and
Speaker 4: then it looks like a big foot came sliding down
Speaker 4: the hill. And you see there were the foot slid
Speaker 4: and it stopped right in front of the deer, and
Speaker 4: it really looked like the bigfoot ran in front of
Speaker 4: the deer and then you could see some movement happen.
Speaker 4: But I haven't seen any dead animals or anything like that.
Speaker 4: One time I put out a thing of twelve eggs
Speaker 4: next to the fire and we went on a five
Speaker 4: minute walk and I came back and all the eggs
Speaker 4: were I left it out for whatever wanted it. It
Speaker 4: was on the ground, and I came back. All the
Speaker 4: eggs were gone and there was no broken shells or anything.
Speaker 1: So they took that from you. Have you ever had
Speaker 1: anything else stolen? Or have you ever tried giving them
Speaker 1: anything else besides me?
Speaker 4: One time, I have this little I have this little
Speaker 4: blue so I've seen on videos that they like blue
Speaker 4: stuff for some reason. I don't know if it's true
Speaker 4: or not. But I had this little blue table I
Speaker 4: put deep into the trees where they walk through, and
Speaker 4: I tried a few things, and one time I had
Speaker 4: this black turmaline rock. His turmoalines real popular up there,
Speaker 4: and I found this big one and I put it there,
Speaker 4: and about two weeks later I came back up and
Speaker 4: checked and it was gone. And I got on the
Speaker 4: ground and dug through the dirt and I couldn't find it.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's a rat knocked it in
Speaker 4: a rolled, but I couldn't find it. That was about it.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid. I don't know what kind of rock that is?
Speaker 4: What is just a black turmaline. It's like it looks
Speaker 4: like a crystal or something like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, and is it you said it's black or is
Speaker 1: it blue?
Speaker 4: Or yeah, it's black. It's real popular. Yeah, the table
Speaker 4: is blue, so.
Speaker 1: You left that out for it, and so you haven't
Speaker 1: got anything back or anything.
Speaker 4: No, nothing like that.
Speaker 1: Have you ever found anything possibly left for you or
Speaker 1: something appearing inexplicably?
Speaker 4: No, that's what I was trying to use that table
Speaker 4: for it. But no, not really.
Speaker 1: Have you ever felt in danger while you're there?
Speaker 4: No, just creeped out like that. One time I was
Speaker 4: staring at it by myself. That was when it walked
Speaker 4: up and was breathing. Those two times, I just was
Speaker 4: really scary. Kind of takes the fun out of it.
Speaker 2: Did you notice there was like with four people up
Speaker 2: there or five or two or one.
Speaker 4: Sometimes we had like ten people up there, And I've
Speaker 4: heard some weird noises. One time, for sure, we have
Speaker 4: this old storage container my friends holding their stuff in
Speaker 4: and it's about one hundred and fifty yards away, and
Speaker 4: there was like ten of us being really loud next
Speaker 4: to the fire, and it did one of its screams
Speaker 4: and we all stopped and I was just like, Okay,
Speaker 4: there's one right there, and there was at least ten
Speaker 4: of us. But usually the best things happened when it's
Speaker 4: just me and my buddy crew I feel like they
Speaker 4: can get it's comfortable to walk up close.
Speaker 2: How often do you guys leave something up for them to,
Speaker 2: like a treat or a gift.
Speaker 4: Like I used to do it all the time, but
Speaker 4: now I don't really. I kind of just gave up
Speaker 4: on it.
Speaker 2: Does it matter if you have a fire going, if
Speaker 2: you notice like there's certain things that entice them in.
Speaker 4: Or I think the fire. I think they liked the
Speaker 4: fire because maybe I realize we can't see anything beyond
Speaker 4: that because their eyes. I can't see anything when I
Speaker 4: walk away.
Speaker 1: You said, most of the stuff happens when there's two
Speaker 1: of you. How often do you go there alone?
Speaker 4: I don't do that all anymore. A couple of times
Speaker 4: I've driven up there in my car, but I don't
Speaker 4: I had a car that had a bed in the
Speaker 4: back and I used to just knock it out of
Speaker 4: the car and then drive home in the morning. But
Speaker 4: I don't have that car anymore. So that was about
Speaker 4: the only time one out there alone. But I get
Speaker 4: too creeped out now. I just feel like one could
Speaker 4: be just fifteen feet away, just staring at me behind
Speaker 4: a tree. It's just it's too creepy.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you just don't do that. Have you ever
Speaker 1: done that?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Maybe in the past. I've probably done it a
Speaker 4: few times and did things happen. Not when I was
Speaker 4: the only time that happened was when I had that
Speaker 4: stare down with it behind the fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess that's enough to keep you awake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was enough. A couple of things might have happened.
Speaker 4: I didn't notice, but nothing that I like, no story
Speaker 4: out of it or anything.
Speaker 1: You mentioned a creak. Does that creak run through the property?
Speaker 4: It gets a pond. The pond's usually empty unless it's winter,
Speaker 4: but it's overflow for the pond, and then the water
Speaker 4: from the rain runs in there, so it can get
Speaker 4: going sometimes, but most of the ear is dry. Yeah,
Speaker 4: mostly it's dry. I put a trap camera back there
Speaker 4: for a while, but all I got was a coyote
Speaker 4: and like a hawk picking up a mouse. And I
Speaker 4: got a few sticks throwing past. I don't know if
Speaker 4: it was they looked too big just to have the
Speaker 4: wind thrown, but I don't know for sure if it
Speaker 4: was them throwing sticks at it.
Speaker 1: How far away is the nearest reliable water source.
Speaker 4: I think a couple properties have some big ponds. I
Speaker 4: don't have to look on Google, but it's probably not
Speaker 4: far and they could probably get to the bottom of
Speaker 4: the lake and probably thirty minutes if they walk. And
Speaker 4: I noticed there was a cow watering hole right on
Speaker 4: the other side of the road. You only have to
Speaker 4: go to the lake. It's a cow watering hole, water
Speaker 4: flowing constantly. And I stopped over there one time, and
Speaker 4: the road's pretty thick with trees, and I saw a
Speaker 4: big tree that was snapped and it was pointing right
Speaker 4: at the watering hole. So I think maybe they're going
Speaker 4: to that watering hole.
Speaker 1: If any have you got a good look at one
Speaker 1: of these things, because you did mention them when that
Speaker 1: one was very very close to you, how you saw
Speaker 1: it walk away. But is that the best look you've had.
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure I got a look at one's feet.
Speaker 4: One time. I woke up and we had the bathroom
Speaker 4: on the upper part of the property, so it was
Speaker 4: like six thirty. I was all groggy and kind of
Speaker 4: out of it walking up and I was the only
Speaker 4: one up and I hear this little crack to the
Speaker 4: right of me, and it was in that little little
Speaker 4: pocket where I had the rocks thrown that one time,
Speaker 4: and I look over without thinking, and I see these
Speaker 4: like it looked like legs because it was too tall
Speaker 4: to be a coyote. And I just see these legs
Speaker 4: and immediately just walked away and went into the trees.
Speaker 4: And then I yelled at my friend and he looked
Speaker 4: over at me and could tell that I saw something
Speaker 4: down there, So he ran over and just passed me
Speaker 4: up and went straight into the trees, and I chased
Speaker 4: him in there and it was gone. But then there
Speaker 4: was a pigeon sitting there where I saw it, and
Speaker 4: it looked like it was just picked apart, like he
Speaker 4: was just sitting there all morning, picking this pigeon apart.
Speaker 4: And then when I got up, you must have not
Speaker 4: noticed I was up, And then I'm pretty sure I
Speaker 4: saw one and it was more of a gray color.
Speaker 2: Did it pick the feathers out and like pilo, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 4: Just the feathers were all over in a circle, and
Speaker 4: then it looked like it was picking the meat out
Speaker 4: of there or.
Speaker 2: Something like spread out like like intentionally in a circle
Speaker 2: or Yeah, it.
Speaker 4: Just didn't look like a coyote or something ripped it apart.
Speaker 4: It looked different, but That was about the only time
Speaker 4: I saw one in daylight, and I'm pretty sure it
Speaker 4: was his feet because it was a coyote is not
Speaker 4: that tall and this had a bigger mass to it,
Speaker 4: and the way it moved it looked like legs walking out.
Speaker 4: I didn't get the longest look at it.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 1: Bogo will be right back after these messages. You said
Speaker 1: you're thirty eight years old, right, so this property has
Speaker 1: been active for at least twenty years. Yeah, at least.
Speaker 1: Do you feel it's the same ones or I mean,
Speaker 1: there's no way to really know that or anything.
Speaker 4: But I believe so maybe I think maybe it was
Speaker 4: a couple of teenagers and the parents or something, and
Speaker 4: maybe the teenagers are older now. I don't know, but
Speaker 4: there seem to be a lot more. Maybe I haven't
Speaker 4: given it a good enough try lately this last year
Speaker 4: because I have been after my car accident. It's been
Speaker 4: trying to get everything back together, and I haven't been
Speaker 4: up there like I was. But it doesn't seem like
Speaker 4: the same. But they are there because I can hear them.
Speaker 1: What are the plans for the property?
Speaker 2: Like? What now?
Speaker 1: What you know, once you recover fully from your accident.
Speaker 4: My friend's been starting to pay for it, and he's
Speaker 4: like my best friend. So it's it's just empty and
Speaker 4: the road going up to the property has a good
Speaker 4: longboarding road, so they have races and everything up there,
Speaker 4: and he's really into that. So groups of longboarders been
Speaker 4: going up there lately.
Speaker 1: That a skateboard thing. Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Treat me.
Speaker 1: Treat me like I don't know anything, because it's probably
Speaker 1: closer the truth.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So mainly it's just me and him, but sometimes
Speaker 4: he'll have groups long borders and then they'll they'll go
Speaker 4: out in the morning.
Speaker 2: Are they aware of it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, a couple of them are. I've had a couple
Speaker 4: of friends. One time we scared the kid so bad. Well,
Speaker 4: there was just three of us, me and Crew and
Speaker 4: some kid that never really up there, and me and
Speaker 4: Crew heard a noise. It was really weird noise, and
Speaker 4: we run into the trees and he was he had
Speaker 4: to follow us because he was too scared to stay back,
Speaker 4: and me and Crew are really into trying to find
Speaker 4: this noise and it keeps moving from us, and then
Speaker 4: I look over at him and he's like, guys, I
Speaker 4: can't handle this. He was scared to death. He didn't
Speaker 4: know what to do with him.
Speaker 2: So so that happens in the face of those things
Speaker 2: were so freaking intimidating, you're just.
Speaker 4: Like yeah, but sometimes like me and Crew will just
Speaker 4: sometimes we're just like, we don't care about it. And
Speaker 4: like we heard the pigeons again, and there was a
Speaker 4: couple of them, and then we're just sitting around the
Speaker 4: fire talking and then about a couple of minutes later,
Speaker 4: we hear him walking through that pathway and they're so loud,
Speaker 4: and we just looked at each other and be like, oh,
Speaker 4: there they are. We just didn't have the energy to
Speaker 4: deal with it that night.
Speaker 1: It's strange that you hear them move around so much,
Speaker 1: because I mean, so many times they can just go
Speaker 1: in the ninja mode and not be hurt at all.
Speaker 4: It seems sometimes they do. Sometimes they do, and sometimes
Speaker 4: they just don't seem to care.
Speaker 2: Do you ever actually hear them climbing that fence.
Speaker 4: I've heard the fence move a few times. Not that
Speaker 4: one down there. I can't hear that one very well,
Speaker 4: but I've had the other one move randomly a few
Speaker 4: times the link.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you just feel like it sounds like like I mean,
Speaker 2: we all have heard people climb over chin link fence,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely heard a rocket at one time, but
Speaker 4: I haven't heard it doesn't sound like someone's climbing it.
Speaker 1: So when you typically go to the property, do you
Speaker 1: have a routine, I mean like looking at your behaviors.
Speaker 1: Do you do the same thing most of the time,
Speaker 1: or what?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: What would you do if you went up there, say, tonight, I.
Speaker 4: Have this tree right next to the fire pit, and
Speaker 4: I have the stick, and now I just hit the
Speaker 4: sticks together. But usually I'd go up there and just
Speaker 4: one or two good hits, like a couple of minutes apart,
Speaker 4: and then I just do my own thing. And sometimes
Speaker 4: I'll have music on. Sometimes I won't. Sometimes I ignore
Speaker 4: them just to let them kind of get nosy. It's
Speaker 4: kind of ignore them most of the time, and they'll
Speaker 4: let me know when they want attention, and.
Speaker 1: You really feel they want attention or yeah.
Speaker 4: Sometimes sometimes they do.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 4: There's the way they mimic those that pigeon. It's just
Speaker 4: they're or maybe they're trying to talk to each other
Speaker 4: as they're going by. Me and think I don't notice,
Speaker 4: but sometimes I feel like they really want my attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's something that occurred to me when you
Speaker 1: were speaking, is that if you can completely ignore them,
Speaker 1: maybe they think that, well, this guy's an idiot and
Speaker 1: he doesn't know what you'ven't even here. We don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about him so much, and we just they
Speaker 1: go about their business and maybe that's why they're not
Speaker 1: slinking around being all quiet.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well he used to call back to him and stuff.
Speaker 2: I think I think they know that he's aware of them.
Speaker 4: When you think, Brian, I would think so. I think
Speaker 4: they are comfortable because they if it's a if, I
Speaker 4: just don't see them traveling that far. It feels like
Speaker 4: they're just always there. So it's got to be just
Speaker 4: they're just hanging out. They know the area really well,
Speaker 4: and they get bored at nights sometimes or sometimes they
Speaker 4: got to they gotta do something. They get water, who knows.
Speaker 1: There seems to be plenty around to eat. What would
Speaker 1: you eat if you were if you had like lightning
Speaker 1: fast reflexes, could run as fast as a deer, and
Speaker 1: had no taste in good cuisine.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of rabbits, a lot of birds. You
Speaker 4: can knock a tree a bird out of a tree
Speaker 4: pretty easily, a lot of pigeons, reptiles, Yeah, and deer
Speaker 4: if you could hunt one and a deer would be
Speaker 4: pretty easy.
Speaker 1: So there's plenty of those sort of animals. And I
Speaker 1: know you mentioned a lot of abandoned properties nearby and
Speaker 1: a couple that are perhaps occupied. Would there be enough, say,
Speaker 1: crops of any sort to help you out with that,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't travel much besides my property. The vineyard might
Speaker 4: have some grapes growing during the winter. I haven't gotten
Speaker 4: a close look. I'll take a look next time. But
Speaker 4: other than that, it's pretty dead desert. Besides the brush
Speaker 4: in the trees, it's pretty dead up there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, deserts have a huge variety of food around.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know much about that, but I do know
Speaker 1: that there's a tremendous amount of food available, especially in
Speaker 1: the zones between the forests and the desert, like those
Speaker 1: transition zones. And it sounds like that canyon, whatever that
Speaker 1: canyon is, has a lot of water running water through it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it gets pretty big. It has a pretty big waterfall.
Speaker 4: We when we hiked down there is I'd made this
Speaker 4: jump across this little gap and I'll never do anything
Speaker 4: like that again. It was so scary, so I would
Speaker 4: have fell. It was it was far enough to die
Speaker 4: so and then we got stuck so we couldn't get
Speaker 4: back up. So then we had to cut through people's property,
Speaker 4: going straight up the bank, and it took us like
Speaker 4: two hours to get out of there. We were exhausted
Speaker 4: by the time we got out, and we're like, all right,
Speaker 4: never again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course the tweakers are the sentinels down
Speaker 1: there too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's scary. We went through. There's one property where
Speaker 4: we had our heads down and it was scary.
Speaker 1: Plans for the property, I know you mentioned it earlier,
Speaker 1: but your friend's been going up there. You're going to
Speaker 1: build a house on it?
Speaker 4: Or if we do, it's like Compabby is going to
Speaker 4: build a little shed eventually. He's probably doing the same
Speaker 4: thing for now, but there's no plan to build a
Speaker 4: big house. There's a well that just I bought the
Speaker 4: pump and the solar panels for the well a couple
Speaker 4: of years ago, but now we just need the piping
Speaker 4: and the like the wires to go down to the bottom.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like four hundred feet or something.
Speaker 1: That's pretty expensive there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we just had a pause at that, but
Speaker 4: we want to have it going so because when I
Speaker 4: lived up there with the kid, we had the pond
Speaker 4: filled all year long. Other than that, there's no real
Speaker 4: plans for it.
Speaker 1: Cool, So you're just gonna keep on doing what you're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah for now. Yeah, I'm enjoying it. I want to
Speaker 4: get since I stop using my shed. My friend built
Speaker 4: it into a bigger house for him, and right now
Speaker 4: I don't have anything to sleep inside my car or
Speaker 4: a tent, so I just need to build something to
Speaker 4: make it more enjoyable up there.
Speaker 1: Is there snow there right now.
Speaker 4: No, it snows about every two years and it only
Speaker 4: lasts for about a week.
Speaker 1: Okay, it gets pretty darn cold anyway though.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's freezing sometimes.
Speaker 1: For anywhere, let alone southern California.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you get a good freeze out there.
Speaker 2: Ryan has actually had a couple Bigfoot celebrities and then
Speaker 2: a real Hollywood celebrity come down and actually do an
Speaker 2: investigation there. Can you talk about that?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I had Matt Moneymaker up there one night
Speaker 4: and he brought up Johnny Bananas from MTV. We did
Speaker 4: a whole thing up there one night, and then another
Speaker 4: night he came up and brought Rob Low. That night
Speaker 4: was interesting. Rob Low took a walk up to the
Speaker 4: top and we heard this mountain lion screaming down on
Speaker 4: the bottom of the road and then you just hear
Speaker 4: him coming running full speed down up from the top.
Speaker 4: It was funny.
Speaker 1: What was your impression on television and how it's made?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: It was good? It was I think it would scare
Speaker 4: the bigfoots away up there, but it was good. Too
Speaker 4: many lights and people, yeah, too much going on and
Speaker 4: they might get interested in it. I don't know. When
Speaker 4: Matt was up there with the guy from MTV, they
Speaker 4: were doing their thing and there was a mountain line
Speaker 4: up there that day because Matt saw it in his thermal,
Speaker 4: so I, instead of waiting by the fire I walked
Speaker 4: over to him, and like the producer lady was there
Speaker 4: and their car was down by the fire pit, and
Speaker 4: all of us were up there, and and then out
Speaker 4: of nowhere, like we were on the backside as they
Speaker 4: were filming, and her car door opened and slammed, and
Speaker 4: then we all looked at it. Matt didn't hear it
Speaker 4: because he was busy, but her car door opened and
Speaker 4: slammed pretty good. And then we all looked at each
Speaker 4: other being like all right, And I was like, all right,
Speaker 4: one's down there messing with us right now. But that
Speaker 4: was about all we had happened that night.
Speaker 2: Was Rob Love was was he impressive that he heard?
Speaker 2: There's just that that mountain line?
Speaker 4: That was it?
Speaker 2: There's no bigfoot action, he.
Speaker 4: Said, when he was up there, I don't even know
Speaker 4: if that was a mountain lion. So it was so
Speaker 4: weird and we're all there, but he said, when he
Speaker 4: was up there, he said, it sounded like someone picked
Speaker 4: up a big log and set it down in the trees.
Speaker 4: So he was already like listening to that and kind
Speaker 4: of creeped out on that. And then the mountain lion
Speaker 4: boys started going off and it sounded it was just screaming,
Speaker 4: like really loud, and it took me a second to
Speaker 4: realize what it was. But if it was that, but
Speaker 4: he definitely came running down. It was pretty funny.
Speaker 1: So did you make any screen time? Did you get
Speaker 1: screen time on that Rob Low thing?
Speaker 4: No, they didn't film on that night. He was just
Speaker 4: up there with the sun. But I was on the
Speaker 4: I don't know what network it was on. It was
Speaker 4: after Halloween and I had about a minute and a
Speaker 4: half on there, maybe a minute just on like the intro.
Speaker 1: All right, Brian, Well, thank you very much for coming
Speaker 1: on the show and sharing with us. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think it's fascinating, not only the extended activity that you've
Speaker 1: been privy to, but also the fact that it's in
Speaker 1: southern California. You know, with what of sixteen million people
Speaker 1: live in next story, you wouldn't think the sasquatches around,
Speaker 1: but sure enough they are, which is a testament to
Speaker 1: a couple things Number one about number one sasquatches. Number two,
Speaker 1: the wild lands that are adjacent to one of the
Speaker 1: largest cities in the entire world, and how wild they
Speaker 1: still are. I think it's fascinating and super interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: About an hour and a half from San Diego.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, thank you very much man for
Speaker 1: coming on. It's super fascinating. I'm going to go check
Speaker 1: out that documentary. I don't spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: looking at TV, let alone Bigfoot TV, but now that
Speaker 1: I've met you, I have a reason too so I'll
Speaker 1: go check that out.
Speaker 2: They did a really good job of capturing it. You
Speaker 2: can see everything he's talking about and it all makes sense.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I guess that's a heads up for all
Speaker 1: all listeners. Go check out that stuff by Eli Watson
Speaker 1: and Brian was the name of the documentary.
Speaker 4: Please Bigfoot at the Border, Bigfoot at.
Speaker 1: The Portum writing that done right now, I'm sure most
Speaker 1: of our reader our listeners are as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm going down. I'm going to go. When
Speaker 2: I get back down, I'm going to go down and
Speaker 2: see him, and I think I'm gonna get some I
Speaker 2: got some of my good terms, gonna be able to
Speaker 2: borrow like real good ones and go down and hopefully
Speaker 2: do another or two with Brian on his property here
Speaker 2: coming up pretty soon.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that'd be fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well cool, Brian. I'll check you out then, And
Speaker 2: thanks so much. We appreciate you coming on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you guys.
Speaker 1: All right, Bobo, that was a fun one. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much for lining that. Lining up that guest, I
Speaker 1: really appreciate it, and again for all the reasons that
Speaker 1: I previously mentioned, and you know, I mean it's so funny.
Speaker 1: I move, you know, I move all the way up
Speaker 1: to Oregon, you know, to be near bigfoots and turns
Speaker 1: out there in my backyard when I was in Long Beach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well cool, folks. Thanks for tuning in and
Speaker 2: joining us. We appreciate the support thanks to Brian down
Speaker 2: there in San Diego. And until next week, y'all keep
Speaker 2: it squatchy.
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