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you too, little troublemakers?

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Speaker 2: How are you? Hold on? Now? Hold on? There's only

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one of us here, that's the trouble baker.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you are creating conversation out here, which

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is what I love about what it is that you've

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done with your podcast, because this is what it's all about.

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This shows the intimacy of what a podcast is all about.

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And it also shows that, hey, look what you think.

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I think you know you don't, but sit down and

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have the podcast in your life, you will Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, Stephanie has done such an incredible job.

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I think there couldn't be a better storyteller. That's that's

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put this all together. I mean, how do you put

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something like this that's been dragging on for just three

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years in my own life? But then you have previous

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victims ranging back as far as ten. So Stephanie will

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tell you she has thirty hours of recorded audio of

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me just alone. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Wow, I've listened to Clayton talk a lot.

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Speaker 1: So that's your way. That's your way of pretty much. Dan,

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could probably just get off the call and I can

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Speaker 2: That's very true.

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Speaker 1: Well, Stephanie, what really drew you to this? Because I mean,

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we all like drama, and we see so much of

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it when it comes to reality TV, But when it

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becomes a part of our reality, I mean, you're really

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showing us something here that says, hey, awareness is keen.

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Speaker 4: Listen. I have always loved true crime and I've always

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loved pop culture, so this was kind of the intersection

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of both things. And when you actually dive into this

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specific story, the twist and turns are so crazy that

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it's like, how could I have not taken this role

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to do this podcast and share Clayton side of the story.

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him for so many hours and hearing all the intricacies

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and all the things that he went through has really

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been eye opening. And it's not just been him like this.

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I want to be clear that the story, there's not

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just one victim. There's a lot of victims, and there's

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people that have also dealt with this this person who

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has somehow affected their lives in a different way. And

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by the end of the podcast, I think you're going

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to see how many people she's actually affected.

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like inside your heart, you knew what it was when

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you picked it up, but you still picked it up.

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what's meant for me is is meant for me to experience.

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may be true. I don't really think anybody should be

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targeted in this manner. But nonetheless, over time, I've realized

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Speaker 2: You know, this wasn't an isolated incident.

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done this to multiple individuals and they had never had

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seen justice be served. They honestly, she had a stronghold

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not leaving their lives. I mean, she was just wreaking

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about Susie Evans. Are we correct here?

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because the listeners are gonna be going she she she, she, she,

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contestant on Clayton's season of the Bachelor? And the answer

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Speaker 3: You know again, I would say, there's really no way

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the capacity to do this. I mean, I've been around

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bad people, but I've never been around evil to the

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your fingertips, but it has to move through your heart first.

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this conversation because you had to go through the same

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emotions that Clayton did.

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Speaker 4: Oh, I definitely didn't go through the same emotions Clayton

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did it. He had it much worse than I did. However,

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retelling the story, I can I can certainly tell you

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that there are a lot of sensitive topics that are

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them are directly related to women. So that has certainly

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they're going to follow you more. And I just feel

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something here that that is a connection, because in reality,

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doesn't it happen to all of us in one way

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reality television. These are people that you know, have lived

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and it has happened to these individuals, and so I

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just happened to be the one that had been on

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reality television. It was a little bit more known. And

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until that point. Wow, it'll pull you up to date

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with everything that's going on. And then you know, late

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hope that accountability will be had, but that's of course

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out of our hands now and is in the county

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attorney's hands now.

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in my heart, I truly said, this is not going

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this season, there's going to be several to follow because

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this is a continuation type story and it's going to

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affect other people, and I just I just can't imagine

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what it's going to be like inside your imagination and

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what's going on. Clayton mentioned that the criminal trial is

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get to cover that trial. But I do also know

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that a plea deal was offered over the past week

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there won't be a trial. So we're kind of in

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when it comes to that courtroom, and it's one of

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to corroborate story and provide additional evidence to put lock

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doing anything in their capability to give her the best

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Speaker 1: It was it was a sheer case here that we

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Clayton and Stephanie

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coming up next the name of the podcast Love Trapped

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with Clayton Eckert and Stephanie Young. Clayton, we live in

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Speaker 3: You know, they had the credibility they've they've they've they

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have high level productions. So for me, it was about, hey,

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let's get visibility on this because I want to I

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want to go back to a point that was just

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made prior. There have been points in this last three

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years where this case has cooled off. And you know, right,

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what's so great about this podcast is it's going to

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basically build up right until the trials, so there is

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no chance for it to cool off. So as long

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as people follow along at this point, we are bringing

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a new audience with this podcast. And that's what I'm

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grateful for. Is Look, I don't need anything massive to

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come from this other than I just don't want there

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to be a cooling off in the final hour because

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that's obviously the worst time for things to you know,

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for traction to be lost. And so you know, if

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we just get more visibility on this and there's the

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more eyes there are, the more likely, uh that this

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individual is going to face the you know, the harshest

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extent of the law.

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Speaker 1: When you say words like eyes right away, I am

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taken into a situation where it's like I wish I

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could have been a fly on the wall to watch

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the eyes of you, Stephanie and your team when another

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victim comes into the storyline, because in that moment, you

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had to make a choice, and you had to make

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that right choice in order to keep this story growing forward. Yeah,

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of course.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think one of the biggest things for

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me and this is that it wasn't just Clayton, And

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when we find out about this story, when the story

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goes public, it's because Clayton was a public figure, and

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I think that was probably the biggest turning point in

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this entire story, because if Clayton wouldn't have gone public,

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then we wouldn't have found out about the other victims.

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And because because Laura did go public with this story

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and put Clayton out there saying that she was pregnant

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with his twins, we wouldn't have found out about the

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other victims. And since we did find out about them,

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we're able to share their stories as well to create

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more awareness.

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Speaker 1: Clayton, you're in the middle of all this. I mean

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it's like, are you writing? Are you doing so things

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so that your heart can stay strong and your soul

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can keep moving forward and growing forward, Because I mean

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it's like there's got to be a side of you

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this says God, Just drop it, Just drop it so

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I can get on with my life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I actually extended an offer multiple times to her to

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drop things before she made it public. The second that

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she went public and tried to publicly to fame me

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and look like, my image is a large part of

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what I do.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I every line of work that I work in deals

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with relationships. I'm in sales, and so the public perception

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of me is everything. And so the second that she

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went after my public image was the second that I said, Okay,

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no more, you know, mister nice guy, no more, you know,

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trying to extend the olive branch, like I will fight

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fire with fire in order to you know, get you

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to understand that you you mess with the wrong person,

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that you shouldn't have done this to me. Again, I

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didn't want her to go public, but when she did,

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and then we found out very quickly about the other victims,

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that's and it hit me that it had to go

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public all along, because they were victims that you know,

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we're waiting or hoping and we're desperate for justice. And

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you know, with me getting pulled into the mix, yes,

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I have a bit of a following people that watched

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the show and are rallying behind me. And that's what

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it's all about. This support system that I've had along

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the way. It's the only reason why they are the

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main driver as to why we have a podcast now,

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why things have pushed as far as to happen. I mean,

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we had hundreds of letters being written to the county

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attorney to get to pick this case up. And I

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know that that was a massive driving force towards her

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taking it up because she's getting hundreds of messages. She

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had to address it in a hearing one day. She said, Hey, guys,

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I'm getting your messages. You know, we're on top of this,

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and so it's the internet sleuths, it's the audience, you know,

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that's what's going and that's why accountability is right in

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front of us.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Stephanie, I just can't imagine what you're

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doing with the average everyday person because in reality, each

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of us we see ourselves in this story. It may

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not be Clayton's exact story, but something has happened in

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our own on our own path that says, oh my god,

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if I would have done this, if I wouldn't have

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done this. Now everybody knows something that really I thought

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I was going to keep as a secret.

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Speaker 4: And I think that that's why this story really resonates

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with a lot of people, because there are so many

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sensitive topics in it, and there's a lot of topics

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in this podcast that a lot of people have dealt

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with on a personal level and can relate to those things,

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and then having to see someone go through this at

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the level that they have gone through this in this

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podcast really kind of takes you back to those moments

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in your own life.

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Speaker 1: I got to ask you a question, Clayton. With Stephanie

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knowing so much of this story, do you put her

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up on the stand this coming July? I mean, because

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she knows the freaking story here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, that's not my decision to make.

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Speaker 3: But I would say that if the you know, lawyers

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felt that she, you know, could be a very great help, which,

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of course, yes, she knows more than most people. I mean,

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she knows inside the mind of me as well, and

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so yeah, she would absolutely be an integral part of

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you know, her testimony could be could be massive.

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Speaker 2: I also just don't make those rules.

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Speaker 3: And so if my lawyers feel that, you know, she's

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she's gonna be a great help, and then, of course, yeah,

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I know that we would love to have her help out.

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She's already helped out greatly just by running this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Your process, Stephanie, amazes me because you really do come

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across as somebody who you land the information. But there's

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a side of your personality that still says, I need

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to do a dummy check. I got to go back

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in and look one more time, is that you? Because

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that's what I feel, that's who you are. You nailed it.

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Speaker 4: There's like I said, there's so many people that follow

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along with this case and know every single fact. So

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for me, when I put this podcast out, one of

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the things that I was really stuck on was that

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I have to double and triple fact check everything because

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these people know the story in and out and if

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I get it wrong, they are going to let me know.

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So the fact checking process has been one of the

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most cumbersome parts of this story.

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Speaker 1: Wow, where can people go to find out more about you, Clayton,

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to give you some love, to find out all sides

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of this story and so they can grow with you.

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And the same is true about you, Steph. So I

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would love to find out how both of how people

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can find out about both of you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll jump on here first.

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Speaker 3: Look, the easiest way is I streamline everything through Instagram.

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It's my handle is my first and last name, Clayton Acker,

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last name e h ar d.

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Speaker 2: You go on there.

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Speaker 3: I have a website that's where I put everything. So

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anything that I'm doing in my life is going to

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be found through my Instagram, So I keep it simple,

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sank with me.

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Speaker 4: Find simple. My Instagram is I'm Stephanie Young. Stephanie has

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no E only end of it, which is a strange spelling,

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but it ends with an eye. So I'm Stephanie Young

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on Instagram. And if you want to follow along for

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podcast updates, obviously follow like subscribe on any of your

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podcast platforms, including the iHeartRadio app, and also follow at

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Glass Podcasts for Instagram updates on the podcast as well.

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Speaker 1: For the two of you, we know what the story is,

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we know what the SoundBite you've got. I'm currently working

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on a series where it's like I know the ending.

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I want to get to the ending as quickly as possible,

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but you can't. You've got to have that timing down.

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How are you guys dealing with that? You know what's

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going to be in this podcast, we listeners, we haven't

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gotten it.

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Speaker 2: Yet, Yes, definitely.

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Speaker 3: I mean I can jump in a little bit there

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and I'll let Stephanie take the lead on this one.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, while we know what's all in here, it's more about, Yeah,

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the audience thinking they have all they know a lot

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of but they don't realize all the emails there have

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been so many unreleased emails that we dive into. There's

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there's so many, so much psychology behind it as far

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as the victims how they felt, and that has not

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been released yet to the public. So there's there's still

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there's a ton that goes into this. Again, I think

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what people know has just scratched the surface, and Stephanie

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obviously takes everybody deeper down below to see what else lies,

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you know, below the water.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's also certainly interviews with people that haven't really

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spoken publicly about this before, so I think you're going

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to hear a different perspective from some of the interviews

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as well.

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Speaker 1: I took that as I'm going to see you on

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season two. That's exactly what I just felt in that moment.

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Speaker 4: I hope so, I sure hope.

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Speaker 1: So well, please come back to this show anytime in

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the future. The door is always going to be open

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for you.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so.

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Speaker 4: Much, Thank you so much. It was great to be here.

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Speaker 1: Will you guys be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay you as well. Thank you