Speaker 1: Syphilis.
Speaker 2: Well they always say I think, like you're supposed to
Speaker 2: say sibilants, like is the Oh yeah, it's like that
Speaker 2: was like the always the thing back in the day.
Speaker 2: He'd say sibilants, but I always said syphilis because I
Speaker 2: thought it was funnier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's funny is uh. I would I
Speaker 1: was in drama club in school and all like I
Speaker 1: was not good, Like I just was doing it because
Speaker 1: I liked the girls.
Speaker 2: And well that's why we do anything, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And they all had like they're very pretentious, like Mama
Speaker 1: made me mash my in. They're they're all doing their
Speaker 1: things right, and so I'd just be staying there and
Speaker 1: i'd be like warming up nex to someone named Stacy.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Stacy, Stacy, you're an asshole, Stacy.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Very funny at the time. I don't know how it tracks.
Speaker 2: And there is an SNL sketch which I don't know
Speaker 2: if I've told you about, but the gist of it
Speaker 2: was this guy gets mugged and he's got to watch
Speaker 2: this police lineup, you know, and he's got to pick
Speaker 2: out the correct mugger. But the mugging happened right outside
Speaker 2: some repertory players theater where it's all these like struggling actors.
Speaker 2: So then these actors come into the police lineup and
Speaker 2: they read it like as an audition, like their audition.
Speaker 1: It's so good.
Speaker 2: And Kyle Moodey is one of them. He's like he
Speaker 2: does it and he's like, oh, that was so flat.
Speaker 2: And the guy's like, oh, come on, you know, just
Speaker 2: just shake it off. You get fire off a few
Speaker 2: verbal arrows. So then Kyle Moody is like fake firing
Speaker 2: off airs and goes, I mean, it was awesome, it
Speaker 2: was fantastic.
Speaker 1: I freaking love that. Yeah, they're good. That's uh god,
Speaker 1: I wish I could be that creative all the time.
Speaker 1: But the smoke more weed, Yeah, clear, that's what it does, clearly.
Speaker 1: But all right, onto the new world of horror here, Bulky,
Speaker 1: And why do you call it the new world of horror?
Speaker 1: Because I have a feeling that Hollywood is going to
Speaker 1: learn all the wrong lessons from these those two recent
Speaker 1: horror releases surrounding how to hire directors and what goes
Speaker 1: into making a good movie. And I have a feeling
Speaker 1: we're gonna see a lot of copycats in the next
Speaker 1: two to forty.
Speaker 2: Okay, when you're talking about these two new horror movies,
Speaker 2: or by the way, are we recording, Yeah, okay, we're
Speaker 2: talking about Obsession and background.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're doing Obsession today.
Speaker 2: So okay. Granted, yes, copycat, I understand it has a
Speaker 2: negative connotation, but those movies were good.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely absolutely. My point is go back to nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty and look at how many space movies came out
Speaker 1: because Star Wars hit it big in seventy nine, But
Speaker 1: in reality, it wasn't the fact that it was in
Speaker 1: space that made Star Wars cool. It was the characters
Speaker 1: and the lightsabers and the universe and the character building
Speaker 1: and all these different stories. And the Hollywood saw that
Speaker 1: was like these cretans like space, put more movies in space.
Speaker 1: And there's like seven thousand movies that you've never heard
Speaker 1: of that all took place in space between like nineteen
Speaker 1: eight in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 2: So you saw Argo, right, Yeah, So that was based
Speaker 2: on a real Hollywood script that just hadn't been made,
Speaker 2: I believe. So so Argo would have come out, I
Speaker 2: mean it was already written and came up like ready
Speaker 2: to go, and then Star Wars came.
Speaker 1: Out right wait, what do you What does Argo have
Speaker 1: to Argo?
Speaker 2: Was the fake film they used in Argo? Like whatever?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, so that was a script that the
Speaker 2: movie just hadn't been yet.
Speaker 1: Yees.
Speaker 2: So then after Star Wars happened, I guess they couldn't
Speaker 2: capitalize it because they had it was a sealed document yeah,
Speaker 2: by Jimmy Carter that they couldn't like. Well, I guess
Speaker 2: we lost out on this one. We helped the government,
Speaker 2: so Argo could have been a lot bigger.
Speaker 1: They could have, yeah, if it had fallen that way.
Speaker 1: But I have a feeling you're going to see a
Speaker 1: bunch of twenty somethings. And I'm not against any of
Speaker 1: this for the record, as long as they take it
Speaker 1: seriously and try and capitalize on the effort. But I
Speaker 1: have a feeling you're going to see a lot of
Speaker 1: people trying to emulate the parts. Oh they got they
Speaker 1: made eighty million dollars on a seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars budget. Let's do that again, and like it's
Speaker 1: just not going to be as red.
Speaker 2: But that but that we were talking about this the
Speaker 2: other day, that's not new. I mean, people making a
Speaker 2: lot of money on low budget horn it is. I
Speaker 2: mean that that's that's something that has been you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know, you tell me twenty thirty years.
Speaker 1: I actually saw a Twitter post that even said as much,
Speaker 1: and I wish I knew the name. I would I
Speaker 1: would give credit where credits due here, but I don't
Speaker 1: have it in front of me. And they because someone
Speaker 1: said this is unprecedented, and it shows the budgets for
Speaker 1: the two movies, and then the the take Home does
Speaker 1: far and then somebody retweets it and says, actually, this
Speaker 1: happens about once every ten years, and no one ever
Speaker 1: learns the right lessons when it happens.
Speaker 2: And then, well, what's the right lesson to learn from
Speaker 2: a film like Obsession? Because obviously you want to give
Speaker 2: a pathway to a young and up and coming director,
Speaker 2: right yeah, that that that's the idea, Yeah, right, They
Speaker 2: that specific director, which I'm gonna look it up in
Speaker 2: a second here, executed a pretty good movie, pretty good film,
Speaker 2: and made a lot of money off of it, right yeah,
Speaker 2: So what's the correct lesson?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: I mean, why why wouldn't you want to try to
Speaker 2: duplicate what has worked?
Speaker 1: So if you if you asked me, what the lesson
Speaker 1: from that moment is it's not necessarily the director as
Speaker 1: much as it is indeed Navaret or however you say
Speaker 1: her name.
Speaker 2: Hold on, she was the star. Yeah, so she also directed.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, I'm saying outside of the director.
Speaker 1: I think I might have have finished a thought that
Speaker 1: and he never ready. Yes, she I believe that her
Speaker 1: performance felt so unique because we've never seen her before,
Speaker 1: and she was well cast in some stuff. But I mean,
Speaker 1: like in the in the grand scheme of things, this
Speaker 1: is the first thing that I truly remember having seen her.
Speaker 1: And if you asked me, because I'll be really funky
Speaker 1: and you're kind of teaming up for this, I have
Speaker 1: this movie in the in the Quiet Place category for
Speaker 1: ben Okay, amazing. I think it was a very well
Speaker 1: made movie. I understand why it's so commercially successful. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I've seen this before, it before, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, what what would you compare it to
Speaker 2: that you have seen The Monkeys Paw, which I never saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wish Master from the late nineties.
Speaker 2: Okay, And by the way, so we're talking about obsession,
Speaker 2: I should just tell everybody right now, the gist of
Speaker 2: this movie is this guy makes this wish okay with
Speaker 2: this supernatural toy that he buys to get his I
Speaker 2: think childhood friend. Weren't they friends? Since who he has
Speaker 2: a huge crush on. He's trying. He said he wishes
Speaker 2: for her to fall in love with him. And obviously,
Speaker 2: on the surface, that seems fine and innocent, and certainly
Speaker 2: part of the movie would dictate that. But it's a
Speaker 2: horror ben, yeah, and there's always unintended consequences.
Speaker 1: And just to be clear so that everyone listening understands this,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite kind of movie.
Speaker 2: When you say favorite kind, you be careful what you
Speaker 2: wish for movies.
Speaker 1: I grew up playing a twisted metal where like, once
Speaker 1: you would beat the game, you got to wish for something,
Speaker 1: and there's a guy named Calypso who would grant it,
Speaker 1: but he'd only screw with you, and you'd be like,
Speaker 1: I want to be the best, to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you want to be the best? He turned into a
Speaker 1: beat or something, you know what I mean? Like, I
Speaker 1: love that. I love that. Wish Master is a West
Speaker 1: Craven movie.
Speaker 2: From that time that's like Twilight Zone stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I love that. It's Tales from the Crypt
Speaker 1: it's Twilight Zone like that is if you want to.
Speaker 1: That's why this was, in my opinion, a lot more
Speaker 1: generic than I think a lot of people who don't
Speaker 1: normally watch horror realize. But I still thoroughly enjoyed it
Speaker 1: because it's very difficult to make them be careful what
Speaker 1: you wish for a movie where I was like, nah, like,
Speaker 1: not only do I like wish Master, I like wish Master.
Speaker 2: For god, I didn't even realize wish Master, Yeah, the only.
Speaker 1: The first one was a West Craven movie, but the
Speaker 1: rest of them drop off tremendously in quality. But nevertheless,
Speaker 1: these are very much in my wheelhouse for the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that I will like. But I made the
Speaker 1: comparison to my friend when Squid Games came out, I
Speaker 1: had already seen Battle Royale and the Belco Experiment and
Speaker 1: all these other things that were squid games.
Speaker 2: What was Battle Royale?
Speaker 1: It was a It was a Japanese movie, from the
Speaker 1: Squid Game was Korean, Yes, okay, And they all had
Speaker 1: a similar concept though at the end of the day
Speaker 1: executed differently, but a very similar premise. And so I
Speaker 1: got Covid when Squid Games happened, and so I watched
Speaker 1: it while I was quarantined for two weeks and like
Speaker 1: the throes of COVID, and I came out of my
Speaker 1: quarantine and I come out to a world where everybody
Speaker 1: has seen squid games and thinks it's the best thing
Speaker 1: they've ever seen. And I was like, first of all,
Speaker 1: why are you all watching this? Second of all, I
Speaker 1: could introduce you to five other things that were more
Speaker 1: interesting than this if this is what you enjoyed. And
Speaker 1: that was kind of how.
Speaker 2: The squid game come out during the pandemic. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: well that's then there's your answer, right.
Speaker 1: Because everybody was watching everything.
Speaker 2: World would Tiger King reach popular?
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: There's nobody talks to everybody talked about the Last Dance,
Speaker 2: the Chicago Bulls thing that that came out during the pandemic.
Speaker 2: When's last time you heard anybody talk about that. That's
Speaker 2: a good point, you know what I mean. It's just like,
Speaker 2: now we have our lives.
Speaker 1: That's a good point.
Speaker 2: So so I think, and and and by the way,
Speaker 2: not to like I mean, this is going to sound derogatory,
Speaker 2: but it's not. You watch a lot of weird stuff
Speaker 2: I do, so and and a lot of obscure stuff
Speaker 2: that most people like ninety five percent of people.
Speaker 1: I sent Bulky a text yesterday, I said, have you
Speaker 1: ever seen this nineteen ninety nine Canadian indo film Cube.
Speaker 2: It's great? Cube.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just Cube. Okay, there's three of them. One
Speaker 1: to three are great.
Speaker 2: See not only do you see the weird ones, you
Speaker 2: see the sequels to the weird ones.
Speaker 1: But so, I mean I I thoroughly did enjoy this
Speaker 1: movie though, and like we're going to get into all
Speaker 1: the different elements here in just a second, but I
Speaker 1: will say this is one of those ones where I
Speaker 1: wonder if the if the Internet isn't helping this like
Speaker 1: foster the excitement along a little bit here, and that
Speaker 1: was good.
Speaker 2: That's that's why or that's how the Quiet Place comparison
Speaker 2: comes out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Quiet Place. I was like, I've seen stuff like this.
Speaker 1: This is fun, it's not revolutionary, you're transcendent. It's good
Speaker 1: act and that one actually had recognizable faces in it,
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah, this is good. There's exciting moments,
Speaker 1: but like yeah, like I'm like, I've seen this before,
Speaker 1: and like that was kind of how I felt with this,
Speaker 1: even though again that doesn't mean I'm not gonna like it,
Speaker 1: because yeah, plenty of stuff copies off of other stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's definitely if you have seen a be careful
Speaker 1: what you wish for a style movie in the past,
Speaker 1: you have seen this movie. Yeah, that that That's basically
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to get at it.
Speaker 2: I did. I mean, I just I enjoyed it all
Speaker 2: the way through and I feel like, you know, there
Speaker 2: is obviously you have to have a twist at the end,
Speaker 2: and you make stuff like this, and there was a
Speaker 2: good twist, yeah, which was cool. So okay, in regards
Speaker 2: to this film, let's let's let's break this down. What
Speaker 2: specific element do you want to talk about first when
Speaker 2: it comes to this, Otherwise I have something in mind.
Speaker 1: Do you take the lead?
Speaker 2: I've been talking let's talk casting. Yeah, okay, so because
Speaker 2: I always like to talk about the cast and the
Speaker 2: actors and whatever. Now I was mentioning I told this
Speaker 2: to you on on the air, the casting of the
Speaker 2: protagonist in this film. His name was like Michael Johnston.
Speaker 2: Michael Johnston, Okay, he is a music store employee. By
Speaker 2: the way, did you recognize Andy Richter?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, lost a lot of weight. He's this music
Speaker 2: store employee who works with his friends, you know, at
Speaker 2: this location. What would you put his age at mid twenties?
Speaker 1: Oh maybe I didn't even say early.
Speaker 2: Well they were at bars, so you know with the trivia,
Speaker 2: so I would assume maybe I'm just getting old. It
Speaker 2: happens to all of us, and he's portrayed it in him.
Speaker 2: You remember how Jon Favreau was in Swingers. Where is
Speaker 2: this kind of this beta? And finally Heather Graham just
Speaker 2: has it with him, like you know, cause he's kind
Speaker 2: of like dancing around trying to ask her out without
Speaker 2: not asking her out and doesn't want to get shut down,
Speaker 2: you know, because you're rejection and it just creates there's
Speaker 2: like no confidence. Like every woman will tell you one
Speaker 2: of the things that they're most attracted to is confidence, right,
Speaker 2: and this guy in this movie had zero, you know. Basically,
Speaker 2: instead of like telling her how he felt or whatever,
Speaker 2: he'd much rather do the wishing willow or the willow
Speaker 2: is that what it's called wishing willow. He'd much rather
Speaker 2: grab that and try to use supernatural forces to have
Speaker 2: this woman fall in love with him. Right, His face
Speaker 2: is very punishable, he's very annoying. And I feel like
Speaker 2: the casting like nailed this and as well as his
Speaker 2: execution of how he's supposed to play this character, because
Speaker 2: I think to a certain point you feel sorry for
Speaker 2: him or you can connect with him, and then I
Speaker 2: just kind of got annoyed with it.
Speaker 1: I hated him basically the whole the whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: are you online enough to be familiar with the term inceell? No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I've heard of that. I don't know that's what
Speaker 1: he is. It's one of those kind of dudes that
Speaker 1: like blames the women for not being into him while
Speaker 1: he's not shooting his shots or.
Speaker 2: Okay, I can't get I don't find him as being
Speaker 2: an inceel then, because I don't, I don't feel like
Speaker 2: he you know, there's plenty of times where he was
Speaker 2: by himself. I don't feel like he felt personally wronged
Speaker 2: by females or whatever, you know, where he harbored this
Speaker 2: resentment to him. I just think that this guy was
Speaker 2: so much of a woos that he couldn't muster up one.
Speaker 2: And I know it's a difficult question, but but to
Speaker 2: choose the path that he did was not mind boggling,
Speaker 2: but annoying. And just his facial expressions and the way
Speaker 2: he played the character.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was just.
Speaker 2: So so great, so great.
Speaker 1: That's what stuck out to me with both of them. Actually,
Speaker 1: I believe when you say both of them, h never Ready,
Speaker 1: never Ready. Yeah, I think I'll say this, and I
Speaker 1: don't know if he agree with me or not, but
Speaker 1: my opinion, the best physical actor of our lifetime is
Speaker 1: Jim Carrey. Like I thought, he was very face to
Speaker 1: do things. I think Indian Never Ready is not second,
Speaker 1: but one of the best physical performances I have ever
Speaker 1: seen in my life. It genuinely felt like at moments
Speaker 1: she really was like an animatronic that was like trying
Speaker 1: to go a different direction than the way her limbs
Speaker 1: were going in a way that I have never seen before,
Speaker 1: And it was incredibly uncanny and unsettling watching that happen.
Speaker 2: In a way that I have reviews for the performance, I.
Speaker 1: Thoroughly enjoyed it, and I noticed Michael Johnston's face as well.
Speaker 1: The physical performances of both leads stuck out to me
Speaker 1: the entire movie in a very positive way. I think
Speaker 1: it did a really good job of a kind of
Speaker 1: conveying a lot of things that words could convey. They
Speaker 1: could have put it into words, but I think doing
Speaker 1: it that way is what probably the most unique part
Speaker 1: about this movie was that part. Especially you'll know it
Speaker 1: when you see it. If I just say the walking
Speaker 1: backwards part, you'll know it when you see it. It
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like it's anything right now, the walking backwards part, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where like she's walking I don't want to say it,
Speaker 1: where are they when she's walking at the and she's
Speaker 1: walking backwards but it looks like she wants to go
Speaker 1: a different direction.
Speaker 2: And I don't remember this part? Is this is this
Speaker 2: when they're playing the game?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm telling you, go on, if you get a
Speaker 1: chance out, watch it again. And uh, I like, once
Speaker 1: it's streamable and you'll be like, oh, I said, I
Speaker 1: didn't even notice this the.
Speaker 2: First Well you know what I did notice about that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: was the camera shot that that was on Michael Johnson.
Speaker 2: And then who's the other was it Amber or I
Speaker 2: can't remember Sarah? Yeah, where it's it's set on them,
Speaker 2: and you know, with what's going on in that shot,
Speaker 2: there's something that you really want to see and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, slowly you're getting you know, kind
Speaker 2: of like that was.
Speaker 1: It was a cool shot. I don't remember the walking
Speaker 1: backwards part. Oh yeah, because it wasn't necessarily subtle, but
Speaker 1: the way she was doing it, there were subtle nuances
Speaker 1: to it. I'm like, oh, this is creepy, and you
Speaker 1: could tell it was reminiscent. I found myself thinking of
Speaker 1: the sunken place a lot and get out, like, you know,
Speaker 1: this entity is in her, but she's still there. She
Speaker 1: just is controlling the wheel anymore.
Speaker 2: And it's tough because I struggled with that concept in
Speaker 2: this movie. Yeah, because because I was like, Okay, she's there,
Speaker 2: but then something happens. They're like, wait, maybe she's not there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but then she's there.
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I'm not seeing it out I'm talking
Speaker 1: about obsession, but I'm saying they they conceptualized that in
Speaker 1: such a way when he like almost falls into the
Speaker 1: chair and all of a sudden, the camera you can
Speaker 1: see through the main dude's eyes and he's like almost
Speaker 1: and he's there, but he can't do anything. That's how
Speaker 1: I was envisioning it the whole movie, that that's the
Speaker 1: best thing I.
Speaker 2: Can do, which is we didn't see that would have
Speaker 2: probably helped me understand obsession better. If I would have
Speaker 2: made that comparison, yeah, but I never did because I
Speaker 2: was like, what the hell is going on with her?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Sure, And I think we've talked about this. I know
Speaker 2: we talked about it with It's What's Inside. We've talked
Speaker 2: about this with one of the other movies that we
Speaker 2: just watched, and I can't remember which one it was,
Speaker 2: But how fun it is for us to watch actors
Speaker 2: and probably fun for the actors themselves essentially play two characters. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in the same movie, but it's still in the same
Speaker 2: sort of body, the same presentation, you know what I mean. Sure,
Speaker 2: and we saw that from Indian avaready in this movie.
Speaker 2: What was her name in the film?
Speaker 1: Hold on? I just brought it down Nicky.
Speaker 2: Nicky, Yeah, that's right. By the way, she's twenty five
Speaker 2: years old. We can weigh in on this, Okay, where
Speaker 2: is she on your attractive scale?
Speaker 1: And he never well, see because so much of the
Speaker 1: movie she's in the Uncanny Valley by design. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that's the way she is all the time. I
Speaker 1: think she's a very attractive woman traditionally. So we agree, Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: get out of here. I was expecting you to tell
Speaker 1: me she's what's your name, al Ali Alison Williams.
Speaker 2: That's not yeah, I mean, listen, I respect your opinion,
Speaker 2: but I'm near gonna be to say that she's an
Speaker 2: attractive woman, which is wild because you know what, if
Speaker 2: I had the chance, I would still date her, of course,
Speaker 2: and go out with her.
Speaker 1: That's always the case.
Speaker 2: And i'd probably tell her that too, like and maybe
Speaker 2: maybe that's like because everybody I think.
Speaker 1: You're attractive, but if you're interested in dating, I would
Speaker 1: give you a shot.
Speaker 2: Everybody else tells her she's attractive. I'm the one guy
Speaker 2: saying that, so, like, you know what, there's something to
Speaker 2: this bar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the guy. But uh yeah, And so I
Speaker 1: heard you're talking about them having fun, watching them do
Speaker 1: different performances. I heard Curry Barker, who is the director
Speaker 1: of this movie. I don't think we said his name yet.
Speaker 1: He was playing games with them, because there was such
Speaker 1: an uncomfortableness with the filming of these movies that they
Speaker 1: were playing like genuine like board games and having fun
Speaker 1: during the in between takes to kind of be like,
Speaker 1: let's guy. It was so heavy and like be goofy,
Speaker 1: be comfortable doing weird shit, because we're gonna do some
Speaker 1: cringe stuff here over the course of the next two hours.
Speaker 1: And uh, and people are gonna you're gonna need to
Speaker 1: be in the right headspace for it, which I definitely like.
Speaker 1: But you can tell they're all comfortable getting weird because
Speaker 1: stuff definitely got weird there.
Speaker 2: So Curry Barker as long as we're as long as
Speaker 2: they're talking about him, his background is YouTube. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: he came up with and I'm loading it right now.
Speaker 2: My phone was taking forever.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Curry Barker made the YouTube channel. That's a bad idea.
Speaker 2: That's the name of it, okay, and he co created
Speaker 2: it with Cooper Tomlinson. And you say, Balky, I have
Speaker 2: no idea who Cooper Tomlinson is. Well, I can tell you.
Speaker 2: After you've seen Obsession, you would know that Cooper Tomlinson
Speaker 2: played Ian, who was the best friend of Bear. Which
Speaker 2: you know that's the other thing too. How does a
Speaker 2: guy like that.
Speaker 1: Well, here's a nickname. His name was Baron.
Speaker 2: But it's so stupid. It's like or maybe it was ironic,
Speaker 2: Like it's like calling a huge guy tiny.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, what it is. You got to get
Speaker 1: the subtext, balky, So you're not online enough. There's a
Speaker 1: whole there's a whole thing. It's been going on for
Speaker 1: years where women will ask one another would you rather
Speaker 1: be left alone in the woods with a bear or
Speaker 1: a man? And like something like overs seventy percent of
Speaker 1: women choose the bear over what the man would do,
Speaker 1: and so they named him bear. I'm telling you there's
Speaker 1: a lot of insight soul. Really, that's okay. I don't
Speaker 1: know that for a fact. I'm telling you, I'm sitting
Speaker 1: there like, oh, I get what you guys are going
Speaker 1: for here, like immediately, Like so, I'm pretty sure that's
Speaker 1: why they went with that there, And like this guy's
Speaker 1: online enough that that's a shout out to the gen
Speaker 1: Z people that are like, oh, yeah, I totally wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to be with that bear, you know, and like
Speaker 1: he is he is a creep, Like so yeah to
Speaker 1: a certain.
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, to a certain extent, although I wouldn't
Speaker 2: describe him as creepy. I just I think he's lonely,
Speaker 2: that's it. But so not to not to make which
Speaker 2: kind of turns him into a creep, I guess.
Speaker 1: That's like and fundamentally, once you know that this woman
Speaker 1: is into you not of her own free will, there
Speaker 1: comes there comes an element of creepiness in it, even
Speaker 1: when they're doing like traditional relationship things, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: And so like, and he finds out fairlier in the
Speaker 1: movie this is not for free will.
Speaker 2: It's synthetic.
Speaker 1: Yes, And he's just like, well, this is life now,
Speaker 1: I may as well go along. That was the whole
Speaker 1: point of that hands On and Gretel scene that I
Speaker 1: told you. I just almost cringed right out of your body.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the Hansel and Gretel thing. And then were
Speaker 2: you telling me before we saw this about when when
Speaker 2: they were sitting at the restaurant and she had the
Speaker 2: smile come across her face. That's what you're doing.
Speaker 1: That was what introduced me to the film. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this might be good.
Speaker 2: Right No, no, no, no, no, yeah that was that
Speaker 2: was That was awesome.
Speaker 1: That was awesome.
Speaker 2: Curry Barker, by the way, was in this film as
Speaker 2: but just his voice.
Speaker 1: He was on a phone.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think that's spoiling anything, but you know
Speaker 2: who I'm talking about. Yeah, Okay. So he also Curry
Speaker 2: Barker directed, and maybe you've seen this. It came out
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. It's a horror film called
Speaker 2: Milk and Cereal No Milk. He wrote it and directed
Speaker 2: and it stars him and Cooper Tomlinson played ian. And
Speaker 2: they're comedy. They do comedy on YouTube, but apparently when
Speaker 2: they're doing real big boy films, they're they're doing whore
Speaker 2: or whatever. Eight hundred bucks was the budget. They made
Speaker 2: it in four months. They didn't find a film distributor
Speaker 2: for it, and then they released it on YouTube for
Speaker 2: free on August eighth and received positive reviews. Have not
Speaker 2: looked up the the protten tomatoes on it. I assume
Speaker 2: that there would be, but I mean, who the hell knows.
Speaker 2: And it's only sixty two minutes long. No, it's not
Speaker 2: even really like a feature film.
Speaker 1: You know What's interesting about that? Though? And like, just
Speaker 1: to take this into the world of business for a second, like,
Speaker 1: what's the do you know offhand the director's name of
Speaker 1: back Rooms, which will be doing next week?
Speaker 2: Mean Parson, Yes, there it is.
Speaker 1: He did not invent the back rooms like the person
Speaker 1: who made a YouTube short about it four years ago.
Speaker 1: Is someone entirely different. Yeah, that guy made a completely
Speaker 1: viral clip that is going to be seen by infinitely
Speaker 1: more people than the back rooms because Beckham's has a
Speaker 1: couple million people just based on the box office, but
Speaker 1: the original has quite literally over one hundred million views.
Speaker 1: One hundred million people are not going to go see
Speaker 1: this movie. Yeah. The movie, however, is grossing tens of
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. The YouTube short probably made that guy
Speaker 1: a couple bucks in like, you know, shared revenue and
Speaker 1: all that jazz. Of course, it's I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say cry poverty for him. I'm sure he made quite
Speaker 1: a nice payday. But it really goes to show you
Speaker 1: like it's the same concept, like this kid just aped
Speaker 1: it and this is what you're talking about right there. Again,
Speaker 1: he made the YouTube short, didn nobody wanted it. He
Speaker 1: throws it up there, and maybe that's what led to
Speaker 1: this ultimate outcome for him that he got to do obsession.
Speaker 1: But it really goes I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: gonna be This is either going to be the saving
Speaker 1: grace for the box office or it's going to be
Speaker 1: a trend where YouTubers start to put their own crap
Speaker 1: together on YouTube and you start to see that becoming
Speaker 1: more prevalent.
Speaker 2: I think the ladder is much more likely the former. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like without question, although it'll probably be somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm here though for more people going to theat
Speaker 1: for this kind of stuff. My lead was not full,
Speaker 1: but full enough, and I was like, it's doing well.
Speaker 2: I mean, and this is did you see it an
Speaker 2: opening weekend or did you see moved? Okay, so I
Speaker 2: would assume an opening weekend. There's probably it's probably more filled.
Speaker 2: What did you make of? And this is I struggle
Speaker 2: with this after the film, and I kind of it
Speaker 2: kind of disappeared into the like the the the upside
Speaker 2: down of my mind, sure, where it didn't really matter.
Speaker 2: What did you make? And this isn't really a spoiler
Speaker 2: of this? Dude have an oxy in his medicine cabinet.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that didn't really register with me.
Speaker 2: It just struck me as that type of guy. He
Speaker 2: just it wasn't prescription. Yeah, like, so is this just
Speaker 2: what kids do nowadays or not kids but people in
Speaker 2: their twenties. Yeah, they just have oxy?
Speaker 1: Is that the implication? I have no idea.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I just thought it was really weird. He does not.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm certain there's a certain type of person
Speaker 2: movie character, film character, fictional character that I would imagine
Speaker 2: would have prescription drugs using it for recreational purposes, right,
Speaker 2: But this sky did not fit that at all, which
Speaker 2: I thought was this kind of weird?
Speaker 1: Yeah, is the director? I always like, sometimes you wonder
Speaker 1: and that's like one of the traps you can always
Speaker 1: fall in with this stuff, is trying to put more
Speaker 1: meaning somewhere where it isn't Is that the director saying
Speaker 1: this is a lot more prevalent than you realize, or
Speaker 1: is this just a stupid oversight like you needed this
Speaker 1: as a plot device for later in the film, whatever,
Speaker 1: whatever the situation. I always wonder that the original Hostel,
Speaker 1: the first forty five minutes there's almost no violence. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever seen it or the last
Speaker 1: time you've seen it. You watch it today, and I
Speaker 1: swear to god, man, every sentence has a homophobic slur
Speaker 1: and and what's funny is is that's how everybody used
Speaker 1: to talk back in the mid two thousands. Not from
Speaker 1: a homophobic perspective, it's just how everybody talked. And I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there, I'm like, Okay, so is this eli Roth
Speaker 1: showing us how we all sounded in twenty years removed
Speaker 1: from that I hear how stupid we used to say?
Speaker 1: Or did he write this thinking it was good writing?
Speaker 1: Like I have no idea which one of those things happened,
Speaker 1: And I kind of feel the same way with this
Speaker 1: one as well. Here is probably the best way I
Speaker 1: can describe.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I watch We Runs a King of Queen's and
Speaker 2: there's homophobic slurs in that show Real, which was from
Speaker 2: the early two thousands.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah right, And it's just like, but that was
Speaker 1: just the way people talked back then, Like you can't
Speaker 1: you can't go back in time. You know, That's just
Speaker 1: the way it works. But so I see that happen,
Speaker 1: I'm like, because eli Roth, in my opinion, is a
Speaker 1: fantastic I love what he does. Ice cream man. I'm
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be there when that comes out.
Speaker 2: When does that come up?
Speaker 1: I think August something I saw a trailer for.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing some really good trailers for stuff that comes
Speaker 2: out in September.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like this, Uh.
Speaker 2: I can't What was the one I sent you yesterday?
Speaker 2: Did I not send it I don't think you did
Speaker 2: know how to rob a bank?
Speaker 1: Have you seen the trailer?
Speaker 2: No, dude, that's another It's it's a YouTube channel, but
Speaker 2: I think it might be a fictional YouTube channel. That
Speaker 2: movie looks amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's six YouTube people that have movies either done,
Speaker 1: being produced currently in instruction. Yeah yeah, and there was
Speaker 1: actually seven because one of them did it last year
Speaker 1: and it completely tanks. That's how I saw it, was like,
Speaker 1: someone needs to do a welfare check on this guy
Speaker 1: because the other six have such like, which like, how
Speaker 1: many of us get to make a movie? Shut up right?
Speaker 1: Like at the same time, apparently it's completely bombed.
Speaker 2: But the the other aspect.
Speaker 1: Of this or one of the other aspects.
Speaker 2: And I feel bad because this is normally my unofficial
Speaker 2: duty for this show. I should have researched to see
Speaker 2: if what what's you're going to say? Because I research
Speaker 2: all the crap I wanted. I should have looked up
Speaker 2: to see if a one wish Willow was an actual thing.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, you know, or if that's something that was
Speaker 2: just made up for for this movie. The the cat thing.
Speaker 1: Not real?
Speaker 2: It's not real, Okay, the cat thing in here. There's
Speaker 2: there's two things that happened regarding this guy's cat or
Speaker 2: somewhat early. Definitely one early on and then kind of
Speaker 2: a little bit later on, and that scene the second one. Dude,
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, yeah, if I had a seat belt,
Speaker 2: i'd be clipping it shut right now because this I
Speaker 2: don't know what's what's gonna happen. I don't know what's
Speaker 2: I don't know where this is gonna go from from here.
Speaker 2: So that was cool. And then and I picked up
Speaker 2: on this, I guess when I was thinking about it
Speaker 2: after the fact. And we touched on this earlier about
Speaker 2: there were these flashes that where all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: one of the characters would switch to playing a different character.
Speaker 2: Kind of yeah, all of a sudden and then switch
Speaker 2: right back. And it's like, you know, if you're an
Speaker 2: actor and you're playing that, that's gotta be fun. But
Speaker 2: maybe I'm just the idiot audience member. It was tough
Speaker 2: for me to pick up on that until I sat
Speaker 2: back and thought about it after I watched the movie. Sure,
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think I was picking up on what
Speaker 2: the director and the actor wanted me to pick up on.
Speaker 1: For that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe that's just me being adult. I don't know.
Speaker 1: No, I think it was subtle enough. I understood what
Speaker 1: they were going through. And again, maybe that's why you
Speaker 1: didn't really even pick up on the walking backwards part,
Speaker 1: because that was a physical version of the same thing
Speaker 1: that you're describing right there. I'm like, oh, man, because like,
Speaker 1: she looks like she wants to walk in a certain direction,
Speaker 1: but she's then walking the other way, and it's just
Speaker 1: like very subtle, And I was like, oh man, I
Speaker 1: absolutely I love when actors have a capacity to be
Speaker 1: able to convey that. And I think, again, I think
Speaker 1: everybody involved did a phenomenal job of getting that across.
Speaker 1: I was thoroughly entertained, Like despite the I don't want
Speaker 1: to say on originality, but the familiar set pieces for
Speaker 1: the entire time.
Speaker 2: Do you think superate topic here but related to obsession.
Speaker 2: Do you think that the jump scare has become passe
Speaker 2: in neo horror movies?
Speaker 1: H No, I think the the predictable jump scare is passe.
Speaker 1: I think I are argues, so I think everybody in
Speaker 1: the audience, including both of us here, can agree. The
Speaker 1: one true horror masterpiece is a cabin in the Woods
Speaker 1: and and in the Cabin in the Woods. It's like
Speaker 1: they know if you're watching that, that you know when
Speaker 1: the jump scares are supposed to happen. And I can
Speaker 1: tell you that there were three separate occasions in that
Speaker 1: movie where I almost jumped out of my seat and
Speaker 1: I do not the Woods, yeah, yeah, And I do
Speaker 1: not jump a horror movies. I didn't jump in obsession.
Speaker 2: I don't think you were meant to. No, that's that's
Speaker 2: That's my point is there is a perfect opportunity for
Speaker 2: one when he wakes up in the middle of the
Speaker 2: night and you know, there's that camera shot that's I
Speaker 2: can't remember if it was a still shot or if
Speaker 2: it was panning a little bit in the bedroom, like
Speaker 2: from his point of view, there was a perfect opportunity
Speaker 2: for one there. And I don't want to say they
Speaker 2: like they blew it, or they wasted it, or they
Speaker 2: ruined it, because I do think that it was supposed
Speaker 2: to I don't know, man, Like I just I think
Speaker 2: that the creepy, the creepy scare is starting to become
Speaker 2: the new cool thing rather than the jump scare. And
Speaker 2: we'll get into back rooms next week. But I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of elements to that.
Speaker 1: I agree. I was thinking of that when you said,
Speaker 1: because we've both seen back rooms already as well, but.
Speaker 2: With Obsession this this movie too. I just feel like
Speaker 2: it's sort of like a better executed What was the
Speaker 2: film we watched? We both hated it?
Speaker 1: It was Undertone? Yeah, dude, I thought the same thing.
Speaker 1: I thought the same thing.
Speaker 2: This is just a much more well executed version of Undertone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't you it's so funny?
Speaker 2: It does it does it doesn't give you the scare
Speaker 2: blue balls essentially, you know where you actually.
Speaker 1: Want to see something cool. I was looking up while
Speaker 1: you were talking. This is the nineteen twenty two movie Hacks,
Speaker 1: And this is the first they didn't even have sound
Speaker 1: and movies okay yet this is the first jump scare
Speaker 1: that has ever happened in cinema. And can you what
Speaker 1: am I looking at here? Yeah? A guy?
Speaker 2: Oh there you go? Okay, got it?
Speaker 1: Could you imagine being at thirty year old in nineteen
Speaker 1: twenty two that might wouldn't be able to forget that
Speaker 1: for weeks.
Speaker 2: Think about the first person who thought of that. Right,
Speaker 2: there is an SNL sketch. I can't I think it
Speaker 2: was Michael Keaton or Matthew Perry. Can't remember that was
Speaker 2: Matthew Perry. I think it might have been Michael ket
Speaker 2: It could have been I don't know. Yeah, but it
Speaker 2: was the invention of the first person to use sarcasm.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, sure, it seems like such a stupid idea. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but but but when you executed it.
Speaker 1: With Simon Pegg did the first guy to lie? And
Speaker 1: it was like a society.
Speaker 2: Where was this?
Speaker 1: It was a movie?
Speaker 2: Oh it was.
Speaker 1: It was a whole movie. I'll have to I'll google it.
Speaker 1: But it actually wasn't bad because he basically runs the
Speaker 1: world because everybody is running around telling the truth and
Speaker 1: he's just saying whatever he wants. Yeah, yeah, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: I do think the jump scares, I think are cheap.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, and we're kind of you mentioned
Speaker 1: this a bit with Okay, hold.
Speaker 2: On, I just I want to get this out before
Speaker 2: you go on on this. Yes, they're cheap, but sometimes
Speaker 2: I think they are necessary to abruptly change the focus
Speaker 2: and the mood of the viewer. Right, It's an easy
Speaker 2: way to do it. And I think while they're not
Speaker 2: looked on as like these great cinematic segues. I think
Speaker 2: that they do play a vital role in horror movies.
Speaker 1: Well see, and this is hard going to be hard
Speaker 1: for both of us to accept, and like, your kids
Speaker 1: kind of even opened my eyes to this a little
Speaker 1: bit with the story you told me about forty seven
Speaker 1: meters down.
Speaker 2: Where they said rage fait, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jump scares. I think are getting filed into cliffhangers? Do
Speaker 1: I like cliffhangers on TV show? You bet your ass
Speaker 1: on the cliffhangers? I love them, like, oh, I can't
Speaker 1: wait till next season. I hate it in the moment,
Speaker 1: but then I like this, Yeah, you show a cliffhanger
Speaker 1: to a gen Z and they're like, what you couldn't
Speaker 1: figure out how to end the season. Why do you
Speaker 1: have to do this cheap thing to keep me coming back?
Speaker 1: Why can't you just tell a full story?
Speaker 2: But it is kind of an immature way of looking
Speaker 2: at it, right that that's not how television is made.
Speaker 2: That's not how like we're trying to. We're trying to
Speaker 2: get people. If you're a showrunner, if you're a producer,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're a writer, you're trying to get
Speaker 2: people falling into your world, and that you don't want
Speaker 2: them to escape, right if you resolve something, and I
Speaker 2: know we're on the cliffhangers now.
Speaker 1: We'll get back to them scars.
Speaker 2: But if you resolve something, what's the impetus to come
Speaker 2: back to that? You know?
Speaker 1: Other than season four of Dexter, every season is a
Speaker 1: self contained season, and realistically even season four is self contained.
Speaker 1: But there's just a major moment at the end of
Speaker 1: it that definitely changes the trajectory of the rest of
Speaker 1: the show gets you excited. Every season ends with Dexter
Speaker 1: catching the serial killer. There is no indication that another
Speaker 1: serial killer is out there. Yeah, for all you know,
Speaker 1: that was the end of the show and then the
Speaker 1: next season.
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes I think they write right at that, like Euphouri,
Speaker 2: you just had their season.
Speaker 1: Financial Yeah, I wanted to ask you. That's how I
Speaker 1: meant to start this show, to see how you felt
Speaker 1: about that. I know what happened because it's all over
Speaker 1: the internet.
Speaker 2: Super powerful. Yeah, okay, and it's weird because I had
Speaker 2: a brother die of addiction. Yeah, st I had a
Speaker 2: brother die of addiction. I thought this episode was great.
Speaker 2: He hated it, you know, so it's kind of polarizing
Speaker 2: or whatever. I thought it was amazing. Anyway, it was
Speaker 2: the season finale. There's nobody. Nobody has said anything. HBO
Speaker 2: isn't commented if they're going to bring back for season
Speaker 2: four or whatever. I think if they do, it'd be
Speaker 2: kind of weird. Yeah, but they might. There's an zero
Speaker 2: chance of anything. But Sam Levinson said this who and
Speaker 2: he did. He wrote all three seasons of U forty
Speaker 2: and he said, I always write each season as if
Speaker 2: it is the last. Yeah, right, so, and I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people do that too, especially nowadays.
Speaker 1: He knows he a younger guy.
Speaker 2: It's weird. He's I think he's like my age. Okay,
Speaker 2: but he dated Ellen Barkin. I think not Ellen Barkin,
Speaker 2: who is the woman in al Pacino's right hand man
Speaker 2: in Ocean's thirteen.
Speaker 1: That woman, Oh yeah, I know you're talking about it.
Speaker 2: I think it is Ellen Barking. I think that's her name,
Speaker 2: and he's she's like twenty years old, and he was
Speaker 2: like dating.
Speaker 1: Or when he was something. I was just interested.
Speaker 2: He's a weird guy like he and obviously a lot
Speaker 2: of the stuff that he did on Euphoria, people are like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I can't believe they're putting this on televisions.
Speaker 2: And he battled addiction to you know in his so
Speaker 2: he's he's an interesting cat anyway. But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: he's like he's like my age or whatever. But I
Speaker 2: think that's what you do if you are lucky enough
Speaker 2: to get your show on a streaming service or on
Speaker 2: god forbid, broadcast television. You want to pay this off
Speaker 2: to your listeners into two regards of closing each story
Speaker 2: at the end of every season, right, but at the
Speaker 2: same time leaving stuff open that you could with the
Speaker 2: way that Dexter did it right, right, And so I
Speaker 2: think that's you know, it's all.
Speaker 1: The greats Game of Thrones basically, most seasons would end
Speaker 1: with like not everything resolved, but like if you notice,
Speaker 1: go back and watch episode ten of every season and
Speaker 1: like the last fifteen minutes is all the different groups
Speaker 1: of people, Like it'll be like, say, I John Still
Speaker 1: will be like, well, I guess I'm gonna go Worth
Speaker 1: of the wall. He shows the door opening and he's
Speaker 1: walking out there, and then it's like that's the last
Speaker 1: time you see him for the season. It's not necessarily
Speaker 1: a cliffhanger.
Speaker 2: It's like is that the last time we saw him forever?
Speaker 1: No? Oh, okay, well, yes, but I meant like the
Speaker 1: first time when he finds the Wild Wings and he
Speaker 1: meets you know, nothing, Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: Like you know they're together in real life. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But or even Breaking Bad, like in season two,
Speaker 1: it ends with the plane crash. It doesn't really leave
Speaker 1: much up to be desired, but you just know waltz
Speaker 1: actions led to the playing.
Speaker 2: I think it's a little bit different for Breaking Bad
Speaker 2: and it like you don't like, it's like, okay, so
Speaker 2: I wonder how much more evil he's gonna get.
Speaker 1: The only real cliffhanger in that show was the Gael cliffhanger.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: That was a cliffhanger. And then I would contend that
Speaker 2: because they split the last season.
Speaker 1: Into two, Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 2: The mid when they had the Yeah, that was actually more.
Speaker 1: Of a cliffhanger than the Gael thing because it was
Speaker 1: definitely dead.
Speaker 2: Well I mean think about like it was just intense.
Speaker 2: This is way before your time. But on Dallas in
Speaker 2: the eighties, which was the nighttime soap opera, they had
Speaker 2: the who Shot Jr? Right Now. Back then, there was
Speaker 2: no YouTube there's no streaming or whatever. You had broadcast tving.
Speaker 2: That was it. I mean, Ben, that's all anybody was
Speaker 2: talking about who shot Jr? And you had to wait
Speaker 2: several months, you know, to find out who it was.
Speaker 1: Kristin Sheppard over here thinking, I don't I saw the
Speaker 1: who shot mister Burns special?
Speaker 2: Well that was? That was But I mean that's just
Speaker 2: that's a parody.
Speaker 1: So but yeah, So I mean, like the to bring
Speaker 1: it full circle, I mean, for the record jump, let's
Speaker 1: get back before we do. I do want to say,
Speaker 1: just because it feels like we're on opposite size, it's
Speaker 1: just to be clear, Bulky and I agree. I am
Speaker 1: pro Cliffhanger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like say I like them too.
Speaker 1: I'm saying young people, I'm saying it is it's because
Speaker 1: we are of a certain era and that era does
Speaker 1: not exist anymore.
Speaker 2: Which I think is dumb. I mean, like, okay, give
Speaker 2: the people what they want. Of course, what do I
Speaker 2: always say the old adage if if you give the
Speaker 2: people what they want, they'll make it for free and they.
Speaker 1: Won't see what you are producing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean to me, rat, I mean think
Speaker 2: about walking debt when when they had the vegan thing.
Speaker 1: See the only reason that show lasted as long as
Speaker 1: it freaking did. I think that's actually what made the
Speaker 1: discourse about cliffhangers a thing was oh, not.
Speaker 2: Not paying that often that it could have been.
Speaker 1: Start be sure because it was just like the first
Speaker 1: person view with the blood coming down at the end
Speaker 1: of the scene, you didn't know who it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and people were trying to suppruder it, like with
Speaker 2: the angle that and then they totally flip it on
Speaker 2: its head when they come off.
Speaker 1: That was great. But I think that but like even
Speaker 1: the zapruder thing, like, to me, that's fun. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that builds a community. I think people like it everyone.
Speaker 2: But I'm telling you there there's I mean, think about
Speaker 2: all these idiots, not idiots because they're great, but all
Speaker 2: these people that don't have anything to do, like I
Speaker 2: think about and granted emergency awesome is I mean he
Speaker 2: gets paid to do that or his YouTube channel or whatever.
Speaker 2: But like all these Marvel people that I mean, they're
Speaker 2: breaking think about they just must if there's like.
Speaker 1: You look at this license plate, they just must.
Speaker 2: Live on Reddit and they anytime any hair brain conspiracy
Speaker 2: theory gets posted on there, they take it and run
Speaker 2: with it, and they have to look at every So
Speaker 2: to me, yes, you are probably right that this now
Speaker 2: current generation does not like the cliffhang or whatever. But
Speaker 2: there are still people out there who are megafans of
Speaker 2: whatever content it is, Yeah, that love falling into that
Speaker 2: world and coming up with stuff on their own.
Speaker 1: Maybe this is gonna happen. Maybe this is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Whereas the people who don't really care about it are
Speaker 2: just like, ah, I could have that's that's not for me.
Speaker 1: And I'm at the point where, like I got mad
Speaker 1: when ant Man didn't die at the end of ant
Speaker 1: Man three, like cause there was a stretch in the
Speaker 1: mid two thousands when like the Two Towers ended on
Speaker 1: a cliffhanger, Pirates of the Caribbean, dead Man's Chest ended
Speaker 1: on a cliffhanger. Like I was almost to the point
Speaker 1: where like when the movies.
Speaker 2: Did dead Man's Chest, Oh that was the first one,
Speaker 2: that was the second one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Barbosa comes back. Johnny Depps been eitten by
Speaker 1: the crack. It was awesome and uh, and it was like,
Speaker 1: why can't you finish the movie? I'm like, no, this
Speaker 1: is great. More movies should be doing this. This is fantastic,
Speaker 1: But more movies don't do it because you just never know.
Speaker 1: Of course, yeah you do with pirates, but yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: But so I'm pro cliffhanger, and I'm pro jump scare,
Speaker 1: even though that might be a little bit outdated as
Speaker 1: well in a lot of eyes. But I'm pro jump scare,
Speaker 1: although I'm it's pretty difficult to get me, but I'm
Speaker 1: pro jump scared.
Speaker 2: Well you okay, so at at at this point you're
Speaker 2: pro jump scare. But you can also say that they're cheap.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, as are cliffhangers. Cliffhangers are I don't keep
Speaker 1: me coming back. Just tell a good story and I'll
Speaker 1: be back. But that's part of the story. The cliffhanger
Speaker 1: is the story. I don't think cliffhangers are cheap. I
Speaker 1: think cliffhangers are necessary plot device you have. Oh my god, Ben,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's I mean, that's how you know you've
Speaker 1: got something. If people genuinely have a strong view on
Speaker 1: your cliffhanger, then you have created something awesome. Right.
Speaker 2: If people don't care, your story sucks, go back to
Speaker 2: the draw on board.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: The cliffhanger I think is what shows you what you've got.
Speaker 2: You know that that's kind of like, uh, it tells
Speaker 2: you how good of a storyteller you are, tells you
Speaker 2: how good you are of creating not only arcs, but
Speaker 2: beats that that go into this as well. So I
Speaker 2: think that that is see, I guess, And it's difficult.
Speaker 2: You can't really do it in film unless you unless.
Speaker 1: Disney property right, Star Wars, whatever the situation is. But
Speaker 1: I mean, but like, so think about this all right.
Speaker 1: Now we're back on and again we promised will move on.
Speaker 1: But I do want to I do want to just
Speaker 1: highlight this because like it's technically not a to me.
Speaker 1: Maybe we're just saying the word differently. But like when
Speaker 1: Tyrian kills taiwin Lanbster at the end of season four
Speaker 1: and he gets on the boat and Varius is like, godspeed,
Speaker 1: my friend, we're gonna send you on the boat, and
Speaker 1: then the season just ends. I'm excited to know what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen to theory on other side, is it necessarily
Speaker 1: a cliffhanger? No, I know we killed taiwind Lanister. I
Speaker 1: know where a lot of things stand. There's still some
Speaker 1: unfinished business. Across all of the storylines I am looking
Speaker 1: forward to follow up on. It would be like if
Speaker 1: that season ended with Tyrian pointing the crossbow at him
Speaker 1: and then it cut to black and you don't know
Speaker 1: if he shot him or not, and like, to me, like,
Speaker 1: I still would have come back for season five regardless,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of nice. It's like, no, he killed him,
Speaker 1: and now he's on the run, and you're gonna see
Speaker 1: what what Tyrian on the run is going to look
Speaker 1: like next year.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: So I guess that's I guess my.
Speaker 2: There's different versions of it, right, because you know, you
Speaker 2: know that he killed him, right or do we see
Speaker 2: him die?
Speaker 1: You hear the bell toll? So I guess it's.
Speaker 2: Pretty pretty obvious. But then you also you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: what's next, you know, because you can't have something of
Speaker 2: this magnitude without repercussions, so that.
Speaker 1: What next feeling is still there despite.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily a cliffhanger. It's like more of like
Speaker 2: a mountain view exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: It's a bigger view what's to come exactly, And so
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like that's funnel in there, and
Speaker 1: I think it's no coincidence because both of these movies.
Speaker 1: Not going to say neither one of them had jump scares,
Speaker 1: because that'll be real. There was a moment in back
Speaker 1: Rooms that's sent it like. I was like, like that
Speaker 1: when they're sitting at the table learning about uh, you know,
Speaker 1: when when the with the psychiatrist finds her patient and
Speaker 1: they're sitting at the table and then one of the
Speaker 1: people who was just kind of hanging out starts moving and.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, yeah, that was that was pretty cool. Okay,
Speaker 2: I would save that for next week because I have
Speaker 2: so much to say about that. But in this one too,
Speaker 2: there's a scene with Sarah and Bear in a car
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: You knew what was coming once that scene started. I
Speaker 2: thought it was great pacing where you kind of lose
Speaker 2: yourself in the conversation. And even though I knew almost
Speaker 2: to exactly what did happen. Ben, Yeah, even though I
Speaker 2: knew what was coming, it's still totally caught me by surprise.
Speaker 2: It's great Marcus storytelling. Well, I don't know how you
Speaker 2: felt about that, but I totally because I was I
Speaker 2: had it in my mind. And that's like another device
Speaker 2: that a lot. Maybe these YouTubers are picking up on
Speaker 2: where they set you up for something that as a
Speaker 2: seasoned horror film television watcher, you know what's coming, right,
Speaker 2: But then they lull you away because we've seen stuff
Speaker 2: where it doesn't come to fruition, right. I always bring
Speaker 2: up the twenty one Jump Street explosion thing, and then
Speaker 2: I totally forgot about it and then lo and behold bam,
Speaker 2: you know, like like stuff went down and it was
Speaker 2: and by the way, to the degree, yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: that was great.
Speaker 1: I actually read a think piece about it afterward, and
Speaker 1: it's very interesting because they were claiming, and this was
Speaker 1: a younger writer who wrote it, and it said Obsession
Speaker 1: and by extension, Back Rooms are two movies that are finally,
Speaker 1: according to this person, ushering in a new style of filmmaking.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I wanted to get into this.
Speaker 1: They essentially said that the twentieth century style of filmmaking.
Speaker 1: And I don't necessarily agree with this, but again, I was,
Speaker 1: you know, a child in the twentieth century, so I
Speaker 1: love a lot of those movies. But they said that
Speaker 1: style of movie making has clung to existence twenty five
Speaker 1: years too long, and it's so nice seeing a new
Speaker 1: way of delivering story.
Speaker 2: What was the style of movie making? Now? Is he
Speaker 2: talking about? I A should say he or she?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Okay, But what are they talking about when they're talking
Speaker 2: about movie making? Horror movie making or.
Speaker 1: I think it's movie making in general. Like I had
Speaker 1: a moment and I think John Wick kind of knocked
Speaker 1: me out of it where I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can do another stupid random action movie,
Speaker 1: like they all hit the same beats, and then John
Speaker 1: Wick kind of took it to this new artistic creative
Speaker 1: length and then kept upping the ante bought that genre
Speaker 1: a little bit more time. But fundamentally, the same thing
Speaker 1: kind of applies, and horror movies could be funneled into
Speaker 1: the same group to a certain ex like we need
Speaker 1: new ideas, we need new structure. Like it's a ballsy
Speaker 1: move because when you try something new, there's a chance
Speaker 1: that everybody's gonna hate it, Okay, so it's a risk
Speaker 1: versus reward conversation.
Speaker 2: Now, I think this more applies to back rooms than
Speaker 2: than obsession, But I'll say it anyway, because both these
Speaker 2: guys had a YouTube background, isn't YouTube a great trial
Speaker 2: for for whether this is gonna play or not?
Speaker 1: You know, And I'm hopeful people realize that. Try it
Speaker 1: out there, see what happens, Take it mainstream.
Speaker 2: And then take it to a new level, right, take
Speaker 2: it to take it to the to the next step
Speaker 2: or whatever. So I think and and we'll we'll make
Speaker 2: this a two part conversation because I think we definitely
Speaker 2: want to explore.
Speaker 1: This with backups as well.
Speaker 2: The horror films I grew up on, you know, the
Speaker 2: Halloween and the Yeah, exactly, Yeah, that sort of like
Speaker 2: ushered in the Slashers.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: What were the horror movies before that? Were they just
Speaker 2: the monster stuff like with Frankenstein and the Mummy and
Speaker 2: Dracula or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Halloween one came out in seventy eight.
Speaker 1: Like it's hard to pinpoint, I know, Like The Hills
Speaker 1: Have Eyes were the early seventies.
Speaker 2: Okay, Texas Chainsaw asking, that's our last.
Speaker 1: House on the left was the early seventies. But so
Speaker 1: like they were starting this experiment a little bit. But
Speaker 1: once Mike Myers came out with a budget of like
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars or whatever it was, and made a
Speaker 1: hundred million, right. It was like, oh, so we're doing
Speaker 1: this forever now and bupah bub about a billion there. Okay, hell,
Speaker 1: alien was Halloween, but an alien terminator is Halloween, but
Speaker 1: a machine like so many other genres you don't even realize,
Speaker 1: are just slasher films done up a different way.
Speaker 2: So it's interesting you say that, because what did we
Speaker 2: get after the slasher films? And I would say it
Speaker 2: was these weird kind of meta I.
Speaker 1: Was gonna say it was the meta slasher films.
Speaker 2: So you had like, you know, the screams obviously I
Speaker 2: think set the standard for that, and then you had
Speaker 2: urban legend. So it was kind of like we didn't
Speaker 2: we didn't go to the next step of horror films.
Speaker 2: We just kind of went meta and and you know explored,
Speaker 2: you know, like exploring these horror films from an audience's
Speaker 2: point of view, kind of if that makes sense, And
Speaker 2: so that and you have to look at that like, well,
Speaker 2: why why did we stop evolving?
Speaker 1: Why are why are wait, Well, that's where the term
Speaker 1: elevated horror.
Speaker 2: So that's what, yes, exactly, So then the elevated horror
Speaker 2: comes in, and that's and that's and I think back
Speaker 2: rooms like really exhibits it, but but there were definitely
Speaker 2: elements of it in obsession. It's cheap to do it.
Speaker 1: It it it.
Speaker 2: Plays with your expectations, with audience expectations, right, and it
Speaker 2: allows and I said this before, it allows filmmakers and
Speaker 2: directors to really drive home the point, at least to me,
Speaker 2: of what making me wonder what's going.
Speaker 1: On all screen that I'm not seeing? Oh?
Speaker 2: Sure, And I think sometimes you see that with backrooms
Speaker 2: with all the negative space, and you know, it's it's
Speaker 2: really creepy. It's super creepy.
Speaker 1: It's creepy. But it also mixes it with the horror
Speaker 1: movies of the eighties, which I still maintain. I love
Speaker 1: the eighties is horror that I think it's fantastic. But
Speaker 1: that was like, oh, isn't this big thing chasing you scary?
Speaker 1: Whereas the back rooms like fundamentally and we'll get into
Speaker 1: that or like, let's even just use obsession as a
Speaker 1: standpoint as a viewpoint, since that's when we're discussing today.
Speaker 1: Is for anybody who might be subconsciously be like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what if I'm going to die alone? And
Speaker 1: like these movies play on those fears neurotic. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: not something chasing you that wants to freaking stab you
Speaker 1: with a claw, which is terrifying, Like I don't want
Speaker 1: that to happen, but like it's probably not gonna happen,
Speaker 1: Whereas like the back rooms is like, man, don't you
Speaker 1: get sick and tired of repeating the same mistakes over
Speaker 1: and over again? It's like I do I do? Why
Speaker 1: am I doing that? And there's like an element of
Speaker 1: horror mixed with the act scary and unusual things happening
Speaker 1: on screen as well. It feels like such a natural
Speaker 1: progression now that it's been made, but that was obviously
Speaker 1: what needed to happen, probably fifteen years ago. But it's
Speaker 1: nice that we're here, you know, from the last ten
Speaker 1: years or so.
Speaker 2: I think social media and the way that we consume
Speaker 2: content on X, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok has changed the way
Speaker 2: that kids are growing up, the way that teenagers are involving,
Speaker 2: the way that adults are people who are adults now
Speaker 2: who kind of grew up in this. I think it
Speaker 2: plays off that a little bit because the things that
Speaker 2: scared us in the eighties are no longer. They don't
Speaker 2: have the impact that they did, the true imagination, and
Speaker 2: the thing that scares us the most is the stuff
Speaker 2: that is Again I would say that like this goes
Speaker 2: back to the superhero stuff where you have this gritty
Speaker 2: realistic stuff. When you have this gritty, realistic, psychological stuff
Speaker 2: that not only is effecting this protagonist in the movie,
Speaker 2: but it's probably hitting home with a lot of people
Speaker 2: who who are watching this and are identifying with this
Speaker 2: character until he got super annoying or he was annoying
Speaker 2: from the get go for you, but then I think
Speaker 2: that that brings a whole different kind of terror into
Speaker 2: into the movie that we're watching, where it's it's cathartic
Speaker 2: in a way, but at the same time, you do
Speaker 2: leave these movies pretty unsettled at least.
Speaker 1: I yeah, no, absolutely absolutely, And I don't want to
Speaker 1: say what I thought was going to happen at the
Speaker 1: end of Obsession, because there's only so many ways these
Speaker 1: kind of movies can end, and I don't want to
Speaker 1: take now.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that. I think you could take
Speaker 2: it a few different ways.
Speaker 1: So do you think I can say because.
Speaker 2: I was running, let me say this, let me say this.
Speaker 2: Ben Barker last month said he's considering a sequel to
Speaker 2: the to Obsession, okay, or an anthology television series where
Speaker 2: each episode explores a different character making a wish.
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
Speaker 2: If there was only one or a few ways that
Speaker 2: you can end it, they wouldn't be considering a television series.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of different ways think about
Speaker 2: Twilight Zone. I mean all the crazy stuff that that
Speaker 2: show brought us, you know, of like all the different
Speaker 2: things that what I always say, this is your Twilight Zone.
Speaker 2: What's the one that you're always telling me about Black Mirror? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that to me, I think, like is another one from
Speaker 2: granted I got I know, I gotta watch it, but
Speaker 2: everything you've said about it, to me, that's like a
Speaker 2: more modern Twilights. Jordan Peele brought Twilight Zone back briefly.
Speaker 2: Whatever happened to that?
Speaker 1: It just I watched a couple episodes. I was very disappointed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which is a shame, all right. So you know what's
Speaker 1: funny though, we talked about learning the right lessons in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: I even made a joke to a friend of mine.
Speaker 1: I was like, what Hollywood should be learning is no
Speaker 1: cgi practical effects, pay new actors, good money to do
Speaker 1: good jobs. It said. What they'll actually learn is we
Speaker 1: need to make a cinematic universe out of this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm here for it. I'd watch it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But okay, so I'm gonna say it. I'm gonna look
Speaker 1: at what time it is now, and if you think
Speaker 1: I've gone too far, I'll just take this part out
Speaker 1: of the puncast. What are we doing for time are?
Speaker 1: We're at fifty four minutes okay, based on the trailer.
Speaker 1: So just to make it clear, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: say anything that anybody listening me. Yes, he's talking to
Speaker 1: the guy on the phone about the rules. He's like, hey,
Speaker 1: can I that was in the trailer? Yep, he says,
Speaker 1: can I make and can I unwish this? And he's like, nah,
Speaker 1: you just kind of got to live with He's like,
Speaker 1: until you die. It's it's kind of what it is.
Speaker 1: And so I was sitting there and I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so this is going to end like Final Destination too,
Speaker 1: and they're going to intentionally kill him with an eat
Speaker 1: with a defibrillator right next to him, and they're going
Speaker 1: to kill him and then they're going to defibrillate them
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna come back to life and everything's
Speaker 1: gonna be fine, and uh and and we're all hunky dory.
Speaker 2: I was like, I hate when they spoil movies in
Speaker 2: the trailer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I saw the movie, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: And like I think because I was so sure I
Speaker 1: figured out the movie before it even started, Like I
Speaker 1: wasn't even considering that it was going to go a
Speaker 1: different direction. And so I think I was very pleasantly
Speaker 1: blindsided by the way things ultimately ended up going. And
Speaker 1: so I'm telling you right now, if you out from
Speaker 1: the trailer, that's why the movie is gonna end, you're dumb.
Speaker 2: And you're not dumb, but it's just it's just thought. Well,
Speaker 2: so yeah, that I was telling you about that how
Speaker 2: to Rob a Bank. When I watched that trailer on YouTube,
Speaker 2: the top comment was did I just watch the whole
Speaker 2: movie question, which I think, like, there's a reason that
Speaker 2: these trailers are structured that the way. I mean, think
Speaker 2: about how much time and effort Marvel has gone into
Speaker 2: purposely fooling us, you know, in these trailers. So Okay,
Speaker 2: I am trying to think if I have anything else
Speaker 2: to say about this movie that I haven't already said.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, you go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well, no, should I rate it first? Because I you,
Speaker 2: I feel like you always do. Yeah, I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: this one a seven and a half. Really okay, then
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go eight. I'm gonna go eight because I
Speaker 2: feel like I like this better than you. I I
Speaker 2: never you know, Monkey's Paw? What was the other one
Speaker 2: that you mentioned? Wish Master? I never saw any those, Okay,
Speaker 2: So to me, for me, this was original. I can't
Speaker 2: remember seeing a film, a horror film with this, you know,
Speaker 2: having a wish or whatever. The acting by Andy Navaretti
Speaker 2: was unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Ye, we'll see her again, and uh what what was it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: He was?
Speaker 2: He was good too, He was very good. Could have
Speaker 2: used more Andy Rickter, otherwise I would have gave I'm
Speaker 2: just kidding no.
Speaker 1: But for the.
Speaker 2: Originality, the execution of this was was really good and
Speaker 2: and just like just the he b gbis, I had
Speaker 2: feeling that I was feeling after this film, I feel
Speaker 2: like that's that's what the desired effect was, like were
Speaker 2: you you are? And I remember when my boss or
Speaker 2: one of my bosses, I should say, saw the what's
Speaker 2: the ben Gone girl? Right? Is that what it was called?
Speaker 2: Ben Affleck? And what's her name? She's in the new.
Speaker 1: I always forget her name. I feel so bad.
Speaker 2: He's like, man, I'm glad.
Speaker 1: I love my wife.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm glad. Yeah, my wife and I have a
Speaker 2: good marriage. And I feel like that's that's the idea.
Speaker 2: And I got done watching that movie. I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: I'm so glad. I was not one of those characters
Speaker 2: in the in the in this film. So it really
Speaker 2: gave me the willies. I enjoyed it so yeah, solid it.
Speaker 1: And like I said, it reminded me of a full
Speaker 1: length feature.
Speaker 2: Vertical surprise giving it seven and a half given that
Speaker 2: you have seen, oh yeah, but like.
Speaker 1: That's a testament to how well done it was in
Speaker 1: my opinion, because I think if it were worse acting,
Speaker 1: if it were more generic, like you know, if there
Speaker 1: were just been like too hot dumb actors through it,
Speaker 1: like not to say people are in tract in this movie,
Speaker 1: but you get the point, Like the type of movie
Speaker 1: I'm talking you guys know the kind of movie I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. And the eye candy carries it, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: And I think would have been a lot worse. But
Speaker 1: like as someone who grew up on this guy like,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, all of us, be careful
Speaker 1: what you wish for stuff. It's my favorite kind of
Speaker 1: I have said to multiple people in my life, if
Speaker 1: I could buy the rights to a movie, I would
Speaker 1: want to get the rights to the nineteen ninety seven
Speaker 1: wish Master and do it myself. Yeah, that's how much
Speaker 1: I like this kind.
Speaker 2: Of They've made all these movies. What are you gonna
Speaker 2: do new with it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know. I'd have to think about it.
Speaker 1: I have to think about it perspective of my own life.
Speaker 1: The you know.
Speaker 2: The other thing too with with this podcast, we always
Speaker 2: talk about the themes.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 2: What's the theme in this one? The grass isn't always greener?
Speaker 1: I think it's more so about not not your boy. Uh.
Speaker 1: Surf Fry might not like this this element of it,
Speaker 1: but I think it's more so from like a female
Speaker 1: independence standpoint and like learning how to like accept like
Speaker 1: put it out there except no for an answer, take
Speaker 1: your chances, and if it's not there, there's plenty of
Speaker 1: other fish in the sea.
Speaker 2: But he never put it out there no, because he'd
Speaker 2: rather just.
Speaker 1: Force it to happen. Because like, that's just it. It's
Speaker 1: that's when the movie's good.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like maybe it's the dangers of being an introvert. Ye.
Speaker 1: See, this is why Avatar sucks is because like a
Speaker 1: six year old didn't look at Avatar.
Speaker 2: See this sentence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well because because you okay, hear me out. You
Speaker 1: watch the Avatar, You're like, okay, fine, I get it.
Speaker 1: The military sucks, the environment's great, I understand the point.
Speaker 1: Like you could not beat me over the face with
Speaker 1: this more than you have for the last three bleeping hours.
Speaker 1: Whereas this it is very much, in my opinion, a
Speaker 1: movie about female empowerment, and the type of dudes who
Speaker 1: typically get pissed off about that don't even realize that
Speaker 1: it's a movie about female empowerment because she is so
Speaker 1: not empowered the entire movie. And to me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is how you do these kinds of movies, so
Speaker 1: that the dummies don't even realize what they're watching, and
Speaker 1: then the people that know what they're watching like, ah,
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying here, and people need to
Speaker 1: grow up.
Speaker 2: I feel like I went two feet below the surface
Speaker 2: of this and you went twenty you know which you
Speaker 2: could be right, you know, Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: That's what I took and I haven't read anything about it.
Speaker 1: That was just that's the beauty of arts, that's how
Speaker 1: That's what I took out of it here. And I've
Speaker 1: got some theories about back rooms as well, which is
Speaker 1: what we actually have like the next basically the whole
Speaker 1: freaking summers planned out for us.
Speaker 2: At this point, it's insane with what we're going to
Speaker 2: be doing. The first this is this would be the
Speaker 2: first weekend of June, and the summer releases have not disappointed.
Speaker 2: There's there's a ton of stuff coming out. We're going
Speaker 2: to try to do as much as possible. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: sure there were we already we were making cuts before
Speaker 2: we went on today. We had Yeah, it's just there's
Speaker 2: so much good stuff, and we like July. When July hits, dude,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be huge. Yeah, for for blockbusters too, and
Speaker 2: then uh, and then I don't know. I always feel
Speaker 2: like August is sort of like historically isn't all that great.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's some stuff, sure, but usually September
Speaker 2: is when it starts gearing up again. And like I
Speaker 2: was mentioned that how to Rob a bank and then
Speaker 2: this other one with Mark Wahlberg and yeah, yeah abdul
Speaker 2: matin the second from he was in Watchman as Doctor Manhattan.
Speaker 1: He spent in a bunch of stuff. Black mana black
Speaker 1: mana from Yeah, from Alkamenia. They're the same actor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, Yeah, he was in something else. Oh, he
Speaker 2: was wonder Man. Yeah, he's in this new movie that's
Speaker 2: based on a true story where Mark Wahlberg is like
Speaker 2: a mob Abdula McKean is this Abdomanteen, is this FBI agent.
Speaker 2: Wahlberg is this hitman for the mob, And they're trying
Speaker 2: to hit the hit man, sorry, hitman for the mob.
Speaker 2: And this is set in sol exactly and set in
Speaker 2: the late nineteen sixties, and there's all this civil unrest
Speaker 2: in the South, and there's all these murders of black
Speaker 2: people that are just being left unsolved. So and that
Speaker 2: this guy, this FBI agent who's black obviously it wants
Speaker 2: to put this, you know, really work hard in solving
Speaker 2: these cases. And they keep getting he gets keeps getting.
Speaker 1: Stonewall that I advertised.
Speaker 2: I just saw it today. I just saw to him.
Speaker 2: So they hire Mirk Wahlberg, who is a mob hitman
Speaker 2: to like be this guy's partner. He does all the
Speaker 2: stuff that the FBI agent can't do. It's you know,
Speaker 2: it looks heavy on action Wahlberg comedy or no, it's yeah,
Speaker 2: it's definitely a drama. Okay, but it looks awesome. So
Speaker 2: and that one comes out.
Speaker 1: September as well. Okay, we are. We are, however, going
Speaker 1: to be doing Backrooms next week, which we have seen
Speaker 1: already obviously, as you can tell. But I I just
Speaker 1: succumbed to the hype and we'll have some interesting conversations about.
Speaker 2: That and just to get everybody's appetite. I really enjoyed Obsession,
Speaker 2: as you did too. Yeah, so it's very difficult from
Speaker 2: the next movie I see to sort of like be
Speaker 2: really enjoyable. Yeah, and I like Backrooms better, which is
Speaker 2: not only a testament to how good the film was,
Speaker 2: but the fact that I saw it after I saw
Speaker 2: a movie I really liked, and I actually like Backrooms better.
Speaker 2: I think we're in for a treat for the listeners
Speaker 2: are in for a treat next week.
Speaker 1: I would like to burn you on on the record, though,
Speaker 1: and I'd like to see since we already saw these
Speaker 1: movies and we basically have seven days to do whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: watch Cube, just the first one, Just the first one,
Speaker 1: all right? Uh? And and because I went ninety between
Speaker 1: ninety seven and ninety nine, I don't remember exactly, but
Speaker 1: it was the late nineties, I didn't see it till college.
Speaker 1: I've seen it one time since then. I'm going to
Speaker 1: rewatch as well. It's available on two B for anyone listening,
Speaker 1: and you can check that out if you are following
Speaker 1: along with us here free. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I can't keep up. Yeah, I feel that
Speaker 2: I don't even know what an incel is.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so it's going to be back rooms, very
Speaker 1: surreal film next week and looking forward to jumping into that.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening, guys,