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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back today. I have an interview for

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you with the incredibly intelligent Jay Dyer.

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Speaker 2: Jay is a.

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Speaker 1: Philosopher, an author, and a comedian known primarily for his

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analysis of geopolitics, Hollywood, and culture. If you are interested

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in following Jay's work or purchasing any of his books,

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you will find all of the relevant links in the

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video description. I really hope that you enjoy our conversation together.

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To start off, could you talk a little bit about

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what initially drew you to analyzing Hollywood. I guess it's

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namely celebrities and culture and films. Also, do you believe

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that Hollywood is as important a vehicle for propagandizing people

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as the media.

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Speaker 3: Well began me on this track was when I was

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in high school.

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Speaker 4: I was we had clicks in high school.

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Speaker 3: I had to ask everybody on Twitter the other day

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if this still exists. And I get the impression that

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clicks don't exist as much anymore. But when I went

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to high school, it was very much like a John

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Hughes movie. So there was all these cliques and I

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was in the cool guy click.

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Speaker 4: Of you know.

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Speaker 3: We would party, have fun, and we did theater, and yes,

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we were heterosexual. Okay, So, but I was in a

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small town, and in a small town, there's not a

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whole lot of options.

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Speaker 4: So we were all in the movies. We were into

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the arts.

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Speaker 3: A lot of my friends were in bands, and all

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of us from movie bops, and so we were always

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interested in that as an art form. And then when

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I went to college, I decided I wanted to study

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philosophy and film and somehow trying to make all these

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things kind of mesh together, just because I had a

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lot of interest, and I took a lot of film classes,

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took a lot of history of film classes, history of Hollywood,

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and it did a history degree at the same time too,

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as well as philosophy degree. So it was kind of

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like all these worlds were meshing. And that was around

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mid two thousands, and that was right when blogging was

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starting to kind of get get going. So I just

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started writing blogging about movies and doing my own weird

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movie analysis, which is kind of like if we had

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a college class on you know, literature, that it would

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be like a close reading, but I would spring in,

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you know, these kind of weird esoteric critiques, and you

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know how a lot of these people tied into intelligence

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agencies and how a lot of the you know, military

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and Pentagon offices had liaison, you know, connections between different

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studios and Hollywood. And then when I was doing grad work,

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I was like, you know, this is also fascinating. There's

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so much on this topic that nobody knows about, and

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I was finding so much information on this. I was like,

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I've got to in some way, you know, use this

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as something to you know, like a book or documentary or.

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Speaker 4: Something like that.

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Speaker 3: So the easiest thing to do is just kind of

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collect together all the essays and then Whitney Webb's publisher,

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which is he's also the publisher of like Daniel Esslin's

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book on Builderberg. So those are the famous books from

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that publisher that reached out and they were like, hey,

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do you have a book? And I didn't, but I

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was like, yeah, sure, I got a manuscript ready to go.

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Speaker 4: So I just kind of put all my best essays together.

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Speaker 3: And the weird part was that when I got into

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the grad school era of studying this, there was so

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much more that I didn't know about.

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Speaker 4: That again just kind of like tumbled down this.

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Speaker 3: Rabbit hole, so to speak, and I found you know,

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a lot of Pentagon money, a lot of Foyer.

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Speaker 4: Requests, a lot of that kind of stuff that.

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Speaker 3: Had gone into influencing movies and TV shows to the integrit.

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I mean things that you wouldn't expect, you know, all

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the way down to things like Cupcake Wars, these.

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Speaker 4: Really stupid TV shows.

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Speaker 3: But when you start to understand, yeah, when you start

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to understand like what the idea of culture creation and

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culture engineering is, then it starts to make a lot

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more sense why you would want to have you know,

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messaging and propaganda and even those kinds of shows. And

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then it got even into areas of like cartoons and

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the Pentagon consulting on various cartoons.

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Speaker 4: In the eighties. I grew up watching G I. Joe,

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so you know, I was like, what, so even that

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was like a SiO So.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what that's what That's what I got into,

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and it was all weird and crazy. But you know,

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the weird part too, is that I was studying that

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in the mid two thousands, and now it seems a

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lot more amenable to people like, you know, after Argo,

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when Ben Affleck made that, he did these interviews where he.

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Speaker 4: Was like, yeah, Hollywood and the CIA. They're like flip

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sides of the same coin, and it was just very nonchalant.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, here he is saying it, right, And

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I've been researching this and people call me crazy for

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so long for talking about this.

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Speaker 4: It was like, oh, you're crazy, dude, Temple, and I'm like, you.

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Speaker 2: And Damon have like provable ties to the CIA.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's like once that stuff started coming out,

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it seemed like it was a lot more again, like

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people accepted.

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Speaker 4: It more easily.

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Speaker 3: But but I mean the thing with Argo was that

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it was made with the CIA, right, Like it was

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one of these movies where they publicly spoke of it

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as a CA consultant maybe just like zero Darc thirty

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American Sniper.

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Speaker 4: So I guess I'm just saying it.

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Speaker 3: It just started becoming more acceptable or normalized once those

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people started talking about it.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I'm just emphasizing it.

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Speaker 3: In like in the two thousands, this stuff was so crazy,

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Speaker 4: That's crazy and there's no way.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, I've got academic texts up there on

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the top shelf, which is you know, going back to

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the nineties and two thousands where you know, there was

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academics already writing about this back then, that you know,

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movies were basically made as propaganda. And the reality is

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that I'll stop rambling after this. That was always the

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case when you go back to the you know, the teens,

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the nineteen teens of the silent pictures, and you get

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into the twenties and thirties. I mean even in other countries, right,

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I mean the German film they use it for propaganda.

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I mean it's just kind of natural that, oh well, yeah,

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it's going to be used for propaganda. And that's where

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you get these sort of backdoor influences. And in the

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second book, I went beyond like Caa and Pentegon and

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all that stuff, and I got into like organized crime

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and its relationship to Hollywood, because there's always been a

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deep relationship between intelligence age She's an organized crime as well.

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So that's how I got into it, and that's kind

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of what took me down this path that in studying

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Ian Fleming and the history of the Bond series and

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how James Bond was another one of these key elements

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in this tie between intelligence and movies because it was

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a very important Cold War archetype figure that they wanted

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to prop up and put him up as kind of

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the image of Western masculiney at that time, which is

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iran because now the very people like now, now.

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Speaker 4: I got this book the other day. Check this out.

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It's called this one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Stars and Spies, Right, this is about this

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is a mainline dude, a main line historian, right, writing

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about the history of spot And it's like, okay, so

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now that the mainline dude writes about it, it's cool, right,

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it's kosher, you can.

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Speaker 4: Talk about this.

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Speaker 3: But when I put my book out in twenty sixteen,

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it was like.

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Speaker 4: Oh, it's crazy conspiracy. Oh, but he's the main line historian,

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so it counts.

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Speaker 3: But at the end of his books, he's got another

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book too, where he's writing about the history of Riverish intelligence.

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At the end of the books, it's like, oh, yeah,

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during the Cold War, James Bond was the you know,

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archetype of masculinity and.

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Speaker 4: You know, suave, dub and air and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 3: And it's like now he's he's not allowed at the

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British intelligence because they're woke, and.

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Speaker 4: He's championing he's championing it. He's like, no, it's time

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for James to get out of here with his toxic masculinity.

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Speaker 2: That was actually going to be my next question.

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Speaker 1: It's obvious that there's a lot of collaboration between the

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intelligence agencies and the media, and then obviously there's collaboration

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between them and Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: But how deep does this go?

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Speaker 1: Do they even create films anymore for entertainment purposes or

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is it only a vehicle for some kind of propaganda

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to get some sort of message across.

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Speaker 3: I think the way it works is that and there's

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a lot of films that are made that that aren't

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propaganda and don't have any specific messaging per se. But

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usually what they would do is focus on the big

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blockbusters because those the ones are the most important because

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most people would see that. You know, if you think

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about a franchise series like Bond or even something like

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Harry Potter. I mean, those are to be seen by

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a billion, maybe more than a billion people. So the

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propaganda the messaging in those is very important, especially to

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the power structure, so that they'll focus.

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Speaker 4: A lot more on that.

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Speaker 3: But they will also focus on things that they consider

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to be culture drivers, and that's why you could get

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influence because we might not think of it that way,

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fashion is part of culture. And so if you have

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an attitude of full spectrum dominance, which we see this

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area of life you can't have, you know, a full

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spectrum dominance model put into place and allow everybody to

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like create their own fashions or whatever. And that's why,

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for example, in the circular economy, they specify that you're

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gonna have to share your white e tities with everybody

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Speaker 4: Like you you don't get to, you know, sew.

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Speaker 3: Your own boxers and whitey tidies or whatever you like,

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you got to you gotta share everything, saying because you

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can't allow that level of independence. I mean, I know

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that sounds crazy, but that's that's the socialist model the

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economy that they want to bring in. But yeah, to

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I think hollywoods always been kind of extension in the media.

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Speaker 4: They've always had an overlap.

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Speaker 3: All the heads of the first TV networks they were

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all from wartime intelligence so like Tarnoff, Paley, Uh and

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people like Walter Lippmann Lawyers. They were always kind of

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overlapping with Hollywood and media, and so they took a

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from the OSS and they put that into how to

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run and do mass media. So it's always been that way,

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I think, in varying degrees. But it's really the blockbusters

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that are the most important because that because of how

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many people see those and what kind of market types

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they project in those. But nowadays it's like it's it's different.

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I don't think the studios matter that much anymore. It's

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gone to you know, streaming stuff. Revenue for these big

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blockbusters is way down unless it's something like Avatar. So

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it's really shifted and changed. But that's just because the

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Internet and now the movie is like, you know, Jamie

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Speaker 4: Movies are woke. It's just really ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Really, yeah, it's it's almost almost almost everything's unwatchable almost.

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Speaker 2: I agree.

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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to watch a new movie and

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I can't even remember what the last good new movie

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Speaker 2: It's just, yeah, unwatchable. Things used to be subtle.

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Speaker 1: There are sometimes I'll watch movies now that I watched

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a little bit of propaganda, but now it's just in

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Speaker 3: And that's the that's the more subtle, like you said,

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that more subtle form of culture and cultural engineering, uh,

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which is kind of I think obvious to us now

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when we look at say, oh, you know, everybody is

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Skittles in the movies, it's like, is that really how

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Speaker 4: Everybody? You know, Skittles.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that, right, but yeah, like you're saying,

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when you the further you go back is a lot

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more subtle. And it was also like the further you

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go back, there was a lot more truthful films that

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were made that did have real messages and real content

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and real warnings. You know, in the seventies they made

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a lot of movies about the coming dystopia. In you know,

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the nineties, there was a lot of movies that kind

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of exposed, I guess you could say kind of deep

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state type things in a very very basic way. But

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the more that we get up into the you know,

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past the two thousands, especially after the Big Nine event,

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like everything really changes and turns into more and more

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just straight up propaganda. And the weird thing about that

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is that even after the Big Nine event, when you

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American Sniper or Argo or like that, Like Ben Affleck's

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a great image of this because he's that post nine.

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and then you know Ben Afflecks kind of this image

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of the two thousands era face of Hollywood. Dude, Now

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that's all bad, right now, he would be toxic masculinity.

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Speaker 4: It's racist because it's Americana.

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Speaker 3: And I'm saying it's I'm not saying that was good

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because that was all propaganda at that time too, right,

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But now it's like you can't have pro American stuff

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because that's propaganda, that's racist. That's you see what I'm saying.

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How crazy it is that even like them from the two.

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Speaker 1: Thousand way Is that why we're seeing so many remakes

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of film is because there's just remaking and remaking. Did

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they have to remake it according to the propaganda of

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the time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's two things going on with that.

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Speaker 3: One is that they don't want to put any risks

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and anything, so they think they could just you know,

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make money, just money level of the safety of a remake.

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maoist kind of element of rewriting the past. Uh, And

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go even crazier because we were watching forties movies and man,

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pilled and based stuff in the forties movies that when

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people figure out that that was in the they just

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don't know. But they're going to ban that stuff. That's

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what I'm trying to say, Like, you won't be able

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to watch these kinds of movies. They're all going to

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be banned because there's.

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Speaker 4: A lot of.

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Speaker 3: How shall we say, jokes about people's types I'm trying

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to speak around it.

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Speaker 1: Well, if it's all digital, then they can just edit

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things out or even exactly completely. But if you have

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hard copies of things, then yeah, that might be a

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leagal contraband At some point, though, do you believe in

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the theory of predictive programming And if so, could you

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talk a little bit about it maybe. I'm sure there's

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some people that don't know what that is, so maybe

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you could explain it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know exactly who came up with that term,

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but I think the basic idea is correct.

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Speaker 4: I talk about it quite a bit in my books.

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Speaker 3: The idea is just basically that one form of propaganda

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can be to see the ideas of what you're going

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to be doing ahead of time, and that fiction can

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be a lot more effective for that than mainstream news.

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And my bad because the news has kind of churned

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out and then people forget it a week later, so

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the news isn't is minimum has minimal effect in that regard.

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But movies are a lot more powerful for that because

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they're the kind of the myths of our of our culture,

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of our civilization. So movies have about the ability to

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affect people at a very subconscious level. That's actually been

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studied too, by the way, this is not just theorizing,

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but uh, the people who study propaganda.

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Speaker 4: So I obviously study film and.

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Speaker 3: Literature for these purposes, for these reasons to figure out

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the best way to tailor the message to affect the

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target audience. And that could be enough, is the way

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it could be in a negative way, and so you

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can brute on.

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Speaker 4: One idea is the it's called the theater of brutality,

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where you brutalize an audience and desensitize them through the

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worst forms of film.

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Speaker 3: Right, so hardcore, this that murder, death, all that kind

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of stuff that can be a form of desensitizing and

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putting the audience and putting your target people in under

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a form of psyops to degrade and destroy them. And

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this is part of warfare, right, This is not this

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goes beyond the arts, but it's weaponizing the arts. That's

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very it's a very real thing. But there's also this

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notion of preparing an audience or preparing the target group

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for what you want to do ahead of time. And

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you can actually see this in psychology. You know, remember

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there was a few years ago when all over YouTube

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it was all like videos about narcissists and uh, you know, gaslighting.

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Do you remember that when like there was just hundreds

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and and there was thousands of videos on YouTube about and.

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Speaker 4: Like everybody before came. It's was about twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 3: Like suddenly there and everybody was their own little pop

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psychologists on YouTube and talking about there my boyfriend is

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a n and then all the vegans are liken it.

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Speaker 4: This is carness. So narisis, is your gaslighted me? No?

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Speaker 3: Which it's just funny to me because like they were

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saying that if you disagreed or if you debated that

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that that's not what narcissm is disagreeing with you. It's

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not it's not gaslighting. But Gaslight is a great movie

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to watch to see this principle from the nineteen forties

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with Ingrid Bergmann. In that movie, the guy who's messing

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with his wife to get her money, he's gaslighting her

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by doing all these tricks and like kind of revealing

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that he's doing it interface and it throws her off balance.

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It's it's a form of psychological manipulation that it's that

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is a real thing. And so I'm just making that

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analogy to the reason that you might see or put

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the stuff into fiction might be too gaslight the target

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audience to put it in their face that you're doing it,

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and then they typically will fold, they'll back down, right,

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That's what happens in the film, for example, until she

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gets pushed to the point of madness. But the other

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thing that a predictor programming can do is kind of

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give the impression that the establishment is godlike that, oh

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well they they how do they know ahead of time

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they were going to do this? Well because they planned it, right,

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That's something I mean, it's not magic, it's yeah, it's

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just a military strategy and planning. So once we understand it,

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I think the easiest way to understand this kind of

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stuff is from the military vantage point, because that's where

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it's most utilized, is techniques and tactics of weakening and

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breaking down an enemy or target population, you know, sun

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Zoo type stuff.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: So, but there are actual academic people that are written

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on this theory of predictive programming, Like there's a professor

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named Elliott Gaines who has an essay about semiotic symbolic

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destructions of landmarks in films before the Big Nine event

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and how that might have contributed to how we perceived

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the bringing down of those towers. Right, So you want

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to have the narrative in place, ready to roll when

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that occurs, to then steer the audience into how they

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interpret that event. So it's a big part of narrative control.

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I think it's a big part of conditioning people to it.

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Better example than that would be probably you know, H. G.

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Wells is the Burnets before Burne's. And when AHG. Wells

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wrote all his science fiction novels, he was perceptible enough

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to know that if he wanted to convince people of

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his Fabian socialism and his free Masonic views of the

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atheistic star Trek future that he wanted to bring about,

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the best way to do it would be not through

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his non fiction political writings, but through all that sci fi.

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So the most important sci fi novels that we know

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in you know, the West in the twentieth century, I

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mean they're from the dude who wanted to bring in

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the state owns your.

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Speaker 4: Kids, the state decides if you have kids.

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Speaker 3: You know, total egalitarianism, total you know, one world order.

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I mean all of that fiction, whether it's Island of

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Doctor Moreau or whether it's War the Worlds, I mean

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all that stuff from him time Machine, it's all geared

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towards this, and he perceptibly understood that if you put

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this into the fiction, you could see the ideas and

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control the zeitgeist of the culture, you know, maybe even

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one hundred years down the road.

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Speaker 4: So he and he's not just a fiction writer.

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Speaker 3: He was a you know, high level geopolitical strategist, involved

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in the Royal Society, the Fabian Society, all these different groups.

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And he's the one that designed the propaganda for World

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War One against you know, the non Western powers. So

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again he's Burne's before Burneis. So these are all very

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real things, even though we just don't think about them

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or know about them as you know, strategies of warfare.

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Speaker 2: Am I mistaken?

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Speaker 4: Is?

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Speaker 2: Isn't the grandson of Brene's like the owner of Netflix? Y? Yeah?

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Really kind of crazy, kind of makes you think.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask what your opinion is on why

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you think there's so much satanic and demonic symbolism and film,

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not just film in the fashion industry, it's everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Do you think people think it's just edgy.

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Speaker 1: Or are there a lot of people who are genuine

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Satanists working in these industries?

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Speaker 4: All the above.

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Speaker 3: So we went back and we've been looking at some

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of the early nineteen teens German expressionist film, because that's

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the first era when you had overt satanism in film.

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Now it's not I'm not saying it's satanic because it's German.

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I'm saying that they were the first in their experimental circles.

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And there's a bunch of socialists, right, So there's a

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bunch of people. There were socialists, probably had Bolshevik leanings

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in German film, and they just happened to be, you know,

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in the circles of very radical kind of sexual liberation

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types of groups that existed at that time. The same

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thing was going on in England too. They weren't necessarily

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into film, but there were people that were pushing I

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couldn't believe this until I read it recently. So people

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in the Fabian circles, they were pushing the most degenerou

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stuff you could think of in the arts in the

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eighteen nineties. So they were like way ahead of the

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nineteen sixties cultural revolution. They were doing this stuff in

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the eighteen nineties, and the Marxists were doing this. The

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Socialists were doing this in Germany in the nineteen tens,

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and they were experimenting well with all the satanic imagery,

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best examples Metropolis, but also a lot of surrealist imagery,

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a lot of what I guess we could say is

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loosely a cult. And then that had an influence on

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a lot of people in Hollywood. But the weird part

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about Hollywood was that at that time, Hollywood was very

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much not all my guard It was kind of all

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about just making pictures around the stars that were in them.

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So you would have these big thirties and forties movies

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that were, you know, centered around Carry Grant or Jimmy

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Stewart or you know, whatever starlett was hot. At that time,

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they weren't really interested in anything avant garde. But by

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the time we get up into the fifties and sixties,

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Hollywood starts getting more and more weird, more and more

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avant garde. I don't exactly know what the full reason

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for that is, but probably by the time of the

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cultural revolution of the sixties, which was a top down thing,

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it wasn't a purely organic cultural revolution that was part

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of social engineering.

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Speaker 4: I've done a lot of talks analysis on.

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Speaker 3: That, but that's kind of what opened the door I

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think for more and more what was seen as edgy stuff.

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But at a certain point, you know, in terms of evil,

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it only you can only go so far to be edgy,

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to where it's just like the next thing is the

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next most disgusting thing, right, so it just kind of

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bottoms out like just nothing but pure, just gross. So

474
00:22:57,319 --> 00:22:58,920
I think that's where we're at now. It's like there's

475
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,680
no there's nothing more edge, there's no edgy to do

476
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:03,400
except for like I don't know, people are going to

477
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,400
marry their farm animals or something like there's no other

478
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,079
way to go.

479
00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:08,319
Speaker 4: And that that'll probably I'm sure that'll probably be like

480
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:08,960
the next.

481
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,799
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so the moving drama of the farm girl

482
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,119
who fell in love with the cow, you know, something ridiculous,

483
00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:18,759
like it'll be like the draw It'll be you know,

484
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,119
the love story of the year.

485
00:23:20,319 --> 00:23:21,759
Speaker 4: Right. Well, they already kind of did this with that

486
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,079
stupid What's Up movie? That one that isn't there like this.

487
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: I never saw it either, but it was really just

488
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,920
maybe I'm wrong, that's not the name. It was some

489
00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:32,720
alien movie they created.

490
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,079
Speaker 4: And twice that's right, that's one.

491
00:23:35,279 --> 00:23:37,319
Speaker 2: I don't know if if that you fell in.

492
00:23:37,279 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 4: Love or whatever, but I think you did.

493
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,279
Speaker 3: I think you're right, Okay, Well, and then there was

494
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:45,160
that one with that that fish one.

495
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,599
Speaker 2: Oh is it shape of water?

496
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 4: That's it.

497
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not really my We're already getting into that

498
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,359
domain of like, oh yeah.

499
00:23:55,359 --> 00:24:00,079
Speaker 4: So edgy, mary fish so hot right now? Mary fish

500
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,440
is so hot right now.

501
00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 3: So that's but that's all totally like I think people

502
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:09,119
don't realize that.

503
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,079
Speaker 4: They think it's, oh, it's just degenerate people trying to

504
00:24:11,079 --> 00:24:14,000
make money. No, it's warfare. I mean this is.

505
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 3: Like really serious, hardcore warfare. And people have known for

506
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,759
a long time. They were experimenting with this in the

507
00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:24,279
Iraq War and probably way before that, beaming like hardcore

508
00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:29,119
prawn uh into Iraq to change the culture. So I

509
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,079
mean this is like it's it's well, it's all part

510
00:24:31,079 --> 00:24:32,880
of warfare. As what I'm trying to say. That's one

511
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:33,359
layer of it.

512
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:33,519
Speaker 4: Though.

513
00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 3: It's not like everybody involved in making the movies as

514
00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:37,960
part of some you know, secret society, although some are.

515
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,319
There are some directors that are outright Satanists, outright occultists,

516
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:46,200
people into Kabbala, people into anything you could think of.

517
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:50,680
So that also exists, and that is I think not everybody,

518
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:53,359
but some directors see their art as you know, this

519
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,119
kind of ritual magic Crowley type of thing where they're

520
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,839
putting a they're putting their magic spell and intention out

521
00:24:59,839 --> 00:25:02,759
in to the world to you know, to do their magic.

522
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,119
So that does exist too at a certain level with

523
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:09,000
certain directors. I think that are that are explicitly into occultism.

524
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 1: You know, do you think that Hollywood and celebrities in

525
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,720
general are losing some of their influence? I personally think

526
00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:17,920
social media has been responsible for dimming a lot of

527
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,559
their glow and taking away the mystery around them. But

528
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,920
I'm curious what your opinion is like in relation to

529
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,119
how how influential they were in the nineties early two thousands.

530
00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, totally like it was.

531
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,519
Speaker 3: It was a completely top down system back at that time.

532
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,279
And uh, I mean, I'm not saying the new system

533
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,599
is way better. It's just different because it's we all

534
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,960
know the problems with social media, right, I mean, it's

535
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,920
like a whole new set of problems with a new

536
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:50,160
set of overlords and masters. So I'm gonna I was

537
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,640
gonna do my Mark Zuckerber impression, but I'll refrain.

538
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,039
Speaker 1: But don't worry, I'm gonna I was going to ask

539
00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:57,680
you to do an impression at the end, so we'll

540
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,319
see there's a certain moment.

541
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:00,799
Speaker 4: Mark. I'm so glad.

542
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:03,799
Speaker 5: So it's gonna be great when you're in the metaverse

543
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:06,480
because you'll have vitamins pumped directly into your blood veins.

544
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:08,240
You won't have to do anything. It's gonna be great.

545
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:10,000
You'll live in a koon pot and I would be

546
00:26:10,079 --> 00:26:13,920
so happy for you. That was my Zuckerberger.

547
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 4: So I forgot the question.

548
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 2: I was talking about the celebrities their influence.

549
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So I didn't even realize this Because I didn't.

550
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,960
You might you might think that what I do like,

551
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,079
I not you, but people in general. You might think, oh,

552
00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:29,839
you you follow celebrities, and no, I actually don't. Like

553
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,319
I don't know what the celebrities is up to unless

554
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,160
some kind of important story comes my way. Because a

555
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:35,799
lot of what I did for this stuff was just

556
00:26:35,839 --> 00:26:40,160
research the films and read the books about different studios

557
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,720
and the history of people and whatever. I don't really

558
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:46,240
follow a lot of like, you know, celebrity news, but

559
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,480
every now and then, if something pops up, I'll pay

560
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:50,599
attention to it when it relates to you know, Ben

561
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,440
Affleck doing an interview, saying that Hollywood and CEI are

562
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,680
basically the same thing, and uh, celebrities their influence because

563
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:01,960
they didn't realize that when social media came on the scene,

564
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,240
it was all about authenticity and so people appreciated and

565
00:27:05,559 --> 00:27:07,599
they liked authenticity. We have a friend who I won't

566
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,720
say his name or anything, but we have a friend

567
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:14,480
who does things for some of the biggest A listers, right,

568
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,240
and they back around twenty twelve, they were realizing that, like, hey,

569
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,960
what's the social media thing? Like people are getting popular

570
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,680
and they were telling people like him, hey, do our

571
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,079
production stuff.

572
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,599
Speaker 4: And make us famous on social media.

573
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 3: And it's like, we can't just make you famous on

574
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:33,640
social media because it's not a matter of just a

575
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,880
high produced thing that automatically makes you famous. It's people

576
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,599
are enjoying the authenticity of real people now rather than

577
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:45,119
the fakeness. And so what I'm I don't follow TikTok,

578
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,240
but my wife watches it and keeps up with it

579
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:50,559
because she said that the younger that you go, it's

580
00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:54,720
this trend now on TikTok to where they don't like

581
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:57,680
celebrities at all. So like eighteen, nineteen, twenty year olds

582
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,079
are like getting in this idea being anti seletelebrity. So

583
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:06,000
that's that's definitely a trend. And and and they definitely

584
00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:08,799
wanted to try to hop on that bandwagon. But I

585
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:09,759
see that going away.

586
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 4: We did. We did an.

587
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:14,319
Speaker 3: Interview with Jamie Kennedy from Scream uh and a lot

588
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,799
of other shows the other day, and this is what

589
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:17,400
he was saying.

590
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,079
Speaker 4: He's like, dude, I'm a Hollyway and like, it's crazy.

591
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: It's all done, man, this is just do your thing, man,

592
00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:28,319
be your own boss. Right, So he was basically saying

593
00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:31,000
and making this point as somebody still working in the

594
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:31,799
Hollywood system.

595
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 4: So absolutely, but this is and there's pros to that.

596
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:35,839
That's a good thing.

597
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,759
Speaker 3: But then there's these you know, the downsides are now

598
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:40,839
like you know, Zuckerberg's are a master or whatever.

599
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,799
Speaker 1: So I guess that's true. But I mean, when you

600
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:44,920
don't have a script anymore. If you're acting in a film,

601
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,000
you just have a script to follow to make yourself likable,

602
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:48,039
whatever that character might be.

603
00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:50,519
Speaker 2: But if you have to actually be yourself online, then

604
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,160
maybe you're not so likable when people put it together.

605
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: You know, you're actually you're nothing like the amazing characters

606
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,200
that you play in films. I'm curious, what are some

607
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,839
of the most important books you recommend for people to

608
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,880
understand to best understand the mentality of the elites and

609
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,680
the specific direction they want to take society.

610
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,839
Speaker 3: And Yeah, it reminds me before we go to that

611
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:14,119
that Jamie was talking about this clip that I think

612
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,000
she said Jennifer Lopez put up about her and Ben Affleck,

613
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,519
and it was it was supposed to be some authentic

614
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,640
clip of them hanging out and having fun, but it

615
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,640
was like really fake and rehearsed and and anyway, that

616
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:30,640
just made me think of that, like understand that that's like, oh,

617
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,440
you could be an authentic person and attract an audience

618
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,599
now on the Internet, and they're like, oh, okay, how

619
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:37,519
do I get into the role of being an authentic person?

620
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:38,799
Speaker 4: What's not a role? Right?

621
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all popping up on TikTok, but in a

622
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,319
manner that it seems as if their management is like,

623
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:51,119
you got to get on TikTok, yeah, and then a person, Right.

624
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,839
Speaker 4: So best let's see, Uh, is this like best books

625
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:59,400
for overall understanding? The big plan is that what do

626
00:29:59,400 --> 00:29:59,680
you ask?

627
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

628
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot So one thing that I do

629
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:06,160
is lecture through a lot of these top texts, and

630
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,400
so we've gone through the writings of the elite for

631
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,599
the last hundred and twenty years. We've gone through about

632
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,000
fifty or sixty of them over the last six years.

633
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,559
So you know, we do a lot of things. We

634
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:18,920
do movie breakdowns, we do debates, we do comedy shows

635
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,720
now live, which we're doing, by the way, plug for Austin,

636
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,759
Texas February eleventh.

637
00:30:22,759 --> 00:30:23,519
Speaker 4: If nobody wants to.

638
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 3: Come out to our live event, we'll be having a

639
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,759
comedy show with BG Combi and five hours of lectures.

640
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:35,319
So it's like comedy and a bunch of information. If

641
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:36,640
you want to get tickets to that, you can go

642
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,359
to my Twitter. The best books are probably overall. Number

643
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,920
one book would be Tragic Hope by doctor Carrel Quigley.

644
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,240
But that is a massive, almost unreadable beast of a book,

645
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,440
so I don't recommend trying to read that.

646
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 4: There's a smaller book that he wrote that's the same information.

647
00:30:53,119 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 3: It's called Anglo American Establishment, and that's really about the

648
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,920
totality of the Western power block, how they gained the

649
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,599
twentieth century that they were, who was behind the two

650
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,599
World Wars and so forth, the you know, superstructure of

651
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,480
the industrialists and the banking power that they kind of

652
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:13,279
engineered the two World Wars and the Cold War to

653
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,759
bring about a technocracy, and so that they had had

654
00:31:15,839 --> 00:31:18,720
this planned the whole time. And he's he's important because

655
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:23,200
he was the mentor to Bill Clinton. He was a

656
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:26,359
big establishment person. Archive is historian for the Council for

657
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:29,839
Foreign Relations, and his books are not conspiracy texts, they're

658
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,559
expose a's. So what I usually focus on is books

659
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:37,119
that are written just from people in the establishment saying

660
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,160
what they're up to, like what they're doing, and what

661
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,400
they believe. Another classic would be the very recent Claud

662
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,359
Schwab text. I mean Klaud slays everything out in this book.

663
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:50,920
I mean it's one hundred percent like full on house

664
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:51,680
the sky nets.

665
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 6: We would have change all DNA, I would penetrential cobinates,

666
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:56,880
so we would have a word government, so there would

667
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:57,839
be the Nino tech.

668
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 4: All of that in this book.

669
00:31:59,319 --> 00:32:01,319
Speaker 3: So those are two easy ones that really kind of

670
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,200
lay out the overall plan. And you can see it's

671
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,000
the same plan from when Quickly was writing in the

672
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:09,519
nineteen sixties up till now. But you could also go

673
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,160
back and see the same Let's see where's my.

674
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:20,519
Speaker 4: You know, like classics like HG. Wells he wrote Open

675
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:21,920
Conspiracy and New World Order.

676
00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:26,079
Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of that kind of lays out

677
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:32,160
very easily, right. So those are some some readable options

678
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,920
that really lay out the whole plan.

679
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:36,519
Speaker 4: There's a lot more, I mean, so.

680
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: You are convinced then that there is this long standing

681
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:43,720
master plan of sorts that even just broadly speaking, that

682
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:45,799
the elites have been working together for a very long

683
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,480
time to kind of bring to fruish in their vision

684
00:32:48,559 --> 00:32:49,640
of how the world should be.

685
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 3: Well, I think we could go if we go back

686
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:54,079
to like the Middle Ages and the Renaissance era and

687
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,519
maybe a little bit after that. There were other powers, right,

688
00:32:57,599 --> 00:33:01,160
But the power structure that we are under now, which

689
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,400
you could call the Atlantis' power block, is the remnants

690
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,880
of the British Empire that sort of re organized as

691
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:14,440
the American Anglo American establishment Empire that also includes other

692
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,400
countries that can't name on YouTube, but you know what

693
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:20,319
I mean, right, So this is the Atlantis's power block,

694
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,480
which is not the Nation States themselves, but it's this

695
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:30,160
inner core group of people that are not hidden, they're open.

696
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,799
So I would say in that regard, it's like the

697
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:37,119
British Empire, but it's the British Empire resurrected and re

698
00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:40,759
revamped as the Anglo American establishment, which quickly details as

699
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,599
the most powerful families in Europe and in particularly England,

700
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:50,000
the Royal Society who gathered around the Rhodes Milner Roundtable

701
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:54,640
group to set up steering committees which are above government,

702
00:33:54,839 --> 00:33:57,960
but they give policy to the government and they elected

703
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,680
officials and that's they allow find themselves with the wealthiest,

704
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:04,599
most powerful families in the US at the turn of

705
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,480
the century, last century, and that is what is the

706
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:11,199
Anglo American nostalgier. So that's where we get counts on formulations.

707
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:17,559
That's where we get the Trilateral Commission, which Brazenski headed up,

708
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,320
and that's where we get They also created the oss CIA,

709
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,119
That's that's who created the United Nations, That's who created

710
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,119
the EU. So yeah, so that's who runs the show

711
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,840
right now, especially in the West, for sure. And they've

712
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,079
been at this at least since the turn of the century.

713
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:38,199
Speaker 1: Obviously, we have our own opinions of people like Klaubs

714
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,760
Schwab and Mark Zuckerberg and Bill Gates. I mean, a

715
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,840
lot of us perceive them as a bit villainous, But

716
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,000
how do you think they see themselves? Do you think

717
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,360
they see themselves as morally good and that they're doing

718
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,920
what's best for society.

719
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:53,039
Speaker 3: I think these guys have they aren't. They know what

720
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:55,880
they're up to because they see themselves. I mean, they're

721
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,719
sort of the front faces of this inner group here

722
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,119
that runs things, and which doesn't not say they.

723
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,599
Speaker 4: Don't have power.

724
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 3: They do have power, but they have power because they're

725
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,639
part of this superstructure that we're talking about. I think

726
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,000
they're in their minds, it's all sort of just rationalized

727
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:14,679
and justify on the basis of pragmatic power politics that well,

728
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:16,840
this is just what we have to do because this

729
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,440
is the best for everybody. So you know, if you

730
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:22,880
read when Quickly writes his gigantic you know, thirteen hundred

731
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,400
page Tragy and Hope, when he's defending why this is

732
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,719
all good, he's like, oh, well, the ends justify the means,

733
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,760
because we're going to bring in a global order, which

734
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,000
in the future, you know, when we have the Star

735
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,079
Trek future, it'll be the best for everybody. Right, So

736
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:38,280
when we get Star Trek Federation, won't that be happy?

737
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,920
Everybody'll be happy then, right. So I think they do

738
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,360
have these kind of justifications that run in their head

739
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,719
like a hamster will. But I also think that they

740
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:51,039
also don't care because they don't I mean about any

741
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:55,239
kind of moral duties or anything like that, because they

742
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,800
don't believe that any of those things exist. There's no morals.

743
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,119
Morals are just determined by power strung ructures. So there's

744
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:05,320
probably a Nietzschean element involved in this, but there's also

745
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,199
I think for certain people, the higher you get up

746
00:36:08,199 --> 00:36:10,519
on the food chain of the globalists.

747
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:15,679
Speaker 4: There is a they're self aware, not all of them,

748
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:16,400
but some of them.

749
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: So I think when you get up to that level,

750
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,440
especially people like a Kissinger, of Brazenski, David Rockefeller, these

751
00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:24,519
kinds of people like they full on one und percent

752
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:26,960
know what they're up to, and they write about it

753
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,360
in the books. And I think some of those people

754
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,320
are self consciously actually evil.

755
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,039
Speaker 4: Okay, they're aligned with it.

756
00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:34,639
Speaker 1: A lot of people refer to this whole battle war

757
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:37,199
finding as a political war or a cultural war.

758
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,039
Speaker 2: Do you believe this is the case? Do you see

759
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:40,239
it more as a spiritual war.

760
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,679
Speaker 1: And do you think that the situation, this hideous situation

761
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,360
where in with society, is even solvable via politics or

762
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,079
is it only solvable through God and people returning to

763
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:50,199
the faith.

764
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,079
Speaker 3: So it manifests on the political sphere, on the geopolitical sphere,

765
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,920
and it manifests in the culture war. But you're correct,

766
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,679
I think that it's more than that. It's is ultimately

767
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,840
and to me, that's the best explanation for why you

768
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,679
we don't see this just manifesting in the twentieth century

769
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,360
or in the waning era of the British Empire. This

770
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,599
goes back to you know, empires in history have always

771
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:17,000
kind of functioned in this very brutal way. I'm not

772
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:19,239
saying that hierarchy is bad, you know, I believe in

773
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,880
hierarchy in terms of government. But you know, the orthodox

774
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:26,719
position is that that Christianity christianized the empire and turned

775
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,519
it into something at least intending to be a humane,

776
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:31,360
civilizing force.

777
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 4: And that's what you see in something like Byzantium, for example.

778
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 3: And what we have in post Enlightenment modernity, post revolutionary

779
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,119
era modernity is the idea that everything is inverted. There's

780
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,239
no such thing as hierarchy, there's no such thing as God.

781
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:51,000
It's now a will to power or sort of, you know.

782
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:55,760
Levias on Allahabb said the situation that the super state,

783
00:37:56,039 --> 00:38:02,280
the corporate state, can create value, creating, create a utopia

784
00:38:02,519 --> 00:38:07,000
or whatever, that now is outligned with Malthusianism, which is

785
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:08,920
the idea that most people need to die for the

786
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,719
good of this system. So that to me is like

787
00:38:13,039 --> 00:38:17,480
full on one Luciferian Satanic system. So I think that

788
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:20,760
ultimately it's it's a spiritual thing. But I don't think

789
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,440
that everybody involved in that system even has to know

790
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:25,480
that or think that, right. I mean, you can be

791
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,960
a rabid atheist who thinks that, you know, you need

792
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,480
to depopulate the earth to save mother Earth or whatever,

793
00:38:33,039 --> 00:38:35,639
or a new ager and you can be influenced by

794
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:37,199
the Satanic without even knowing it.

795
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 4: So I definitely think it's a spiritual thing. That it

796
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:40,760
goes beyond.

797
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 3: Politics doesn't mean politics is totally worthless. I think maybe

798
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,880
at a local level people can have an effect. But

799
00:38:47,159 --> 00:38:49,480
like Quickly says when he was writing in the nineteen

800
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:53,039
sixties that there had not been a full on, honest

801
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,000
presidential election in one hundred years. So the money power

802
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,159
and industrial power had basically control the presidential elections from

803
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:05,719
the eighteen sixties up to the nineteen sixties. So I

804
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,280
don't think politics, you know, really does a whole lot.

805
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 4: It's a lot of noise.

806
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 3: And the thing about politics, it is so annoying, is

807
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,000
that it always looks past, like the real problems and

808
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:18,000
what's really going on you know what.

809
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,119
Speaker 4: People, Yeah, that's true. People fight over.

810
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:24,679
Speaker 3: Donald Trump for four six, eight years and the technocratic

811
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,960
agenda just marches on oblivious to whatever is going on

812
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,079
on the echo chamber of you know, political stuff.

813
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely think, yeah, politics is very influential, but

814
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,840
now it's just not so influential for us because the

815
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,519
system's been completely corrupted and they own it all, so

816
00:39:41,559 --> 00:39:45,639
they can sure use it for their ends, but not us.

817
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:48,400
Even if we get somebody we elected that we actually

818
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,039
support and like, they never end up being able to

819
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:54,679
do anything good. As my last question, I'm curious where

820
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,880
you think will be in the next few years. Do

821
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,920
you think, as some people speculate, we're going to see

822
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,079
World War three, or we're already in World War three,

823
00:40:02,199 --> 00:40:06,760
or perhaps another pandemic or are you optimistic or pepsimistic

824
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,400
for the future both, Yeah.

825
00:40:10,599 --> 00:40:11,159
Speaker 2: Same.

826
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 4: Poptimistic. So I think that, you know, I don't.

827
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 3: I don't know what they'll do, but I know that

828
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:26,119
there's certain things that they they tend to run, scenarios

829
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:26,679
they tend to run.

830
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: So they are running new.

831
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:32,199
Speaker 3: Exercises for a new contagion. Gilbates just ran one called

832
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:36,800
catastrophic contagion. So and we know before the big you know,

833
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:38,519
recent events, there was.

834
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 2: Events a specific like smallpox.

835
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,119
Speaker 3: Or just I don't remember if it was a version

836
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:45,320
of monkey pocks. I don't know what they called it

837
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:49,559
in catastrophic contagent. But yeah, I mean what that will be,

838
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:51,440
whether they even go with that model, I don't know.

839
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: It looks like what they're going to.

840
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 3: Try to do is push the climate thing very hard

841
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:00,280
that oh look, you know, because we shut down it

842
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,639
healed the environment, So we need regular climate lockdowns.

843
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 4: This is what they're trying to push.

844
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 3: And then that will be tied into austerity, you know,

845
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:12,079
tiny living that will be tied into your carbon footprint.

846
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:14,639
Like the last Davos meetings, that's all they were talking

847
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:18,559
about was controlling and track intration and everybody's carbon rationing

848
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,920
and that means your food, that means your livelihood, everything,

849
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,639
track and trade. So what they're going to try to

850
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:30,239
utilize whatever works to bring that in. So it could

851
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,840
be you know, economic correct crash. It could be you know,

852
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:36,800
they ran the cyber Polygon exercises, which Klaus was making

853
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,320
a big deal about the last few years, which was

854
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:39,800
a you.

855
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: Know, global cyber collapse or whatever. You know.

856
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 3: So in those exercises, it's Internet maskill going down, being hacked.

857
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,599
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah. That then leads to.

858
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 3: A new revamped system, right, So that could be one

859
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,719
route they could go with war as well, because but

860
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,440
I did an interview interview with the Colonel Dos McGregor,

861
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,760
who's a pretty high up there guy on the food

862
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,199
chain when it comes to this kind of analysis, and

863
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:11,360
he well, this is this is maybe a month or

864
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,559
two ago, so maybe it's dated now, but he didn't think.

865
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,119
Speaker 4: That there would be a World War three.

866
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, he didn't think so, But I did announced

867
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,199
with another guy who's a marine, former marine Southeast Asia analyst,

868
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,880
and he thinks they will try to have a World

869
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,960
War three. I don't know, but so it could be

870
00:42:29,039 --> 00:42:30,760
any of those scenarios. But we do know that the

871
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,199
goal is by twenty thirty to have a lot of

872
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:39,760
this global architecture for the control system, the sky Net

873
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,639
stuff in place. By twenty forty they want to have

874
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:44,920
the population severely reduced of the world, and then by

875
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,400
twenty fifty in a lot of the texts, they say

876
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:51,880
they want the full on total sky Net supercomputer, Zeitgeist

877
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,360
city world government in place.

878
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:55,679
Speaker 2: Do you see it happening. Do you see them succeeding.

879
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,199
Speaker 3: They were going to definitely push hard to get this

880
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,800
in place, but a lot of people are waking up

881
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,039
to it, and even if they have a lot of

882
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:08,559
power and a lot of influence, like it's very hard

883
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:12,320
to force these things into place if people are opposed

884
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,039
to it. So it's just really hard to say, because

885
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:18,039
it's really going to depend on in the next few

886
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:21,159
years what happens, like how many people continue to wake

887
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,920
up or whether people submit.

888
00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:25,159
Speaker 4: Cave in go along. I mean, look at what they

889
00:43:25,159 --> 00:43:25,920
did in Australia.

890
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,559
Speaker 3: It's just insane, Like the levels of clamp down and

891
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:33,440
shutting down and beating up people and ruining lives.

892
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 1: And you know, it was pretty hideous here in Austria too,

893
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,440
we have the early country were the first to have

894
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:39,920
the mandatory vaccines.

895
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't take it.

896
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: We pushed back against it till they eventually got rid

897
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,239
of that because they lost too much support. But it

898
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,679
was hitty. I went through three lockdowns. One was almost

899
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:51,039
like eight months, so I feel like this whole space

900
00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,880
of my life was just stolen, like a few years.

901
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:56,559
So yeah, it was not not nice, but I think

902
00:43:56,599 --> 00:43:57,719
in Australia.

903
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: Was much worse.

904
00:43:58,039 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like you got like pty much almost

905
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,840
the same level, like as bad as them.

906
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and having to wear the masks everywhere.

907
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also banned from everywhere if you were unvaccinated

908
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,480
except supermarkets and like churches and obviously health related places.

909
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was it was really awful. You couldn't go.

910
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:19,199
Speaker 3: Did you get Like if you if you walked outside

911
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,280
without a mask where they try to like intimidate you,

912
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,039
or where they like full on arrest you or beat

913
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:24,719
you down, or what would they do you?

914
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: They would make you put on a mask if you went.

915
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:29,719
I think you could be outside in spaces away from

916
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:31,920
large crowds without a mask, but if you went in

917
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:34,000
any sort of building or on the metro or whatever.

918
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:35,599
You had to wear a mask they would ask you to.

919
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was all conditioning for compliance, like seeing how

920
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,639
many people would comply, what could they get away with

921
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:43,719
for whatever they run next?

922
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:44,159
Speaker 4: Right?

923
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,199
Speaker 3: That will all that was all relevant data R and

924
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,280
D for the next thing. So what that next thing

925
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,519
will be, I don't know. But I am optimistic because

926
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:56,559
number one, well, I think that you know, history has meaning.

927
00:44:56,639 --> 00:44:58,719
I think that the history has an end. I'm not

928
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,239
saying we're in the end times, I don't know that,

929
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,320
but I think that, you know, we come out victorious.

930
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,440
But I don't think that it's going to come easy

931
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,480
in terms of what they're going to push in the

932
00:45:09,519 --> 00:45:10,280
next several years.

933
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 4: So they're really going to.

934
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 3: Try to push the CBDC that will control everybody's economic

935
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,320
transactions that they get that through. But I also think

936
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:22,239
that these systems, they're not as fluid as they think.

937
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,639
A lot of these things are going to collapse, especially

938
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,159
given the fact that this system that they're trying to

939
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:33,559
push in is so unnatural that you know, it may

940
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:36,519
result in a lot of death and damage, but it won't.

941
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,199
Speaker 4: Work because it's so just ridiculous.

942
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 3: And it's like a bunch of mad scientists cooking up

943
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,440
this like ideal thing, and it's kind of like the

944
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French revolutionaries when they try to force the whole society

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into it. It's so absurd that it just collapses. It

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does result in a lot of death and destruction, but

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it doesn't actually work. And I think it's going to

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be the same with this type of thing, that this

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doesn't actually work, but it might lead to a lot

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of chaos on the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't see that being able to sustain itself

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long term. ID it's too against human nature. So we'll see.

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On that poptimistic note.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to end this interview, but I really really

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appreciate you joining me before you go. Could you please

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close this interview and talk about where people can find you?

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But in the voice of plush, Well, that's what I

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was going to ask you to do. It's my favorite

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impression of yours. I know you already did it, but

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one more time would be great.

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Speaker 6: Or whatever you do, do not go to the website

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of Jason. Also, even penetrators or cobnates if you'll do However,

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if you do decide to go to this, even persions

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just decendence website. You will also find him on the

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old toube on door find him on where else am

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I'm trying to? I was getting lost in my class? Yeah,

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you find me on YouTube under my name. You can

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find me at my website U and my books are there.

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Don't get him from Jeff Bezos.

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Speaker 3: Get him from my website if you want the signed

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copies of That's a turr Collywood wanted too. And yeah,

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so I host the Fourth Hour Lord Voldemort on Fridays.

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Speaker 4: And what else do we do?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's you Find me on Twitter and go to

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the live event if people want to go see me

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and Jamie and Bgcombe the Philosopher of Comedy live in

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Austin February eleventh. And then I got to give a

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Speaker 3: My website, and Richard Grove at Trajan Hope, Grand Theft World.

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Shout out to my other sponsors. So that's all I

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can think of. Thank you, Brittany.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, super, And of course I'll leave everything in the

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video description so people don't have to go search for themselves.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, thanks again.

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Speaker 1: It was really really nice talking to you and meeting

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you finally personally.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, we'll have another chat down in the future hopefully.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for watching everyone

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Speaker 1: I really hope you enjoyed and I will see you

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all soon