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Speaker 1: And now for a moment of clarity.

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Speaker 2: See the problem is we just categorically cannot take the

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administration at their word on this because maybe for that

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US Attorney that is not a feature of their particular investigation.

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But who's to say that the Department of Justice at

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Main Justice, as you know the streets would say, Mary

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McCord and what not, would tell us Main Justice that's

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not something they're folks focused on. My chief concern here

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and the questions that I have about this are all

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centered around the retribution piece of it all. It's centered

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around the retribution reed Hoffman. It is not the first

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time he has been named. He is not just someone

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that gave to this fund. Essentially, he's a big democratic donor.

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The administration has previously put a target on the back

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of foundations in this country that have supported what they

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would call small d democratic efforts. Is not, in my opinion,

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disconnected from that, and I have questions about how deep

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the rabbit.

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Speaker 1: Hole goes, I think, Alicia, for me, this really boils

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down to one very simple thing, and I really want

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folks to understand what they're looking at it. This is

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what weaponization of our government looks like. This is exactly

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what it looks like when an appeal court dismisses charges,

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allegations whatever in a matter, and then the administration, through

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his Department of Justice, wants to come and do a

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wrap around, pulling her in e. Gen Carroll into a

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legal effort to go after a nonprofit that, as simon,

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not that they want to target, as they've targeted others

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in the past. Folks, this is what it looks like.

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So all the BSU hear from this administration, particularly coming

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out of this president's mouth, about how he's been oh,

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such a victim, is so much put upon. Well, it's

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because of your own behavior. That's Michael Steal on the

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weeknight Monday through Friday at seven pm Eastern on ms

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