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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. No here is your host, DJ Leaves.

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Speaker 2: Believe it or not, we are almost done with March.

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Dare I say the final Big Fight weekend preview of.

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Speaker 1: The month of March is about to take place.

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Speaker 2: We got action this weekend in a couple of different

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locales Cancun, Mexico, Las Vegas. World title fights that we're

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ready to preview a former junior middleweight world champ Tim

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Zoo with our own Dan Rayfield as well. A lot

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of reason to be here. I am merely the somewhat

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capable host TJ Reeves. You know it is a very

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big day for one Dan Rayfield as we released this

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podcast Thursday into Friday. I'm glad you could fit me in. Hello,

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Dan Rayfield. You don't have anything going on today, do you?

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Speaker 3: I got a few things going on, but I'm always

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here to fit you in. TJ.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's because by the way, by the way, happy anniversary,

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miss ray Field.

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Speaker 1: My god, you've put up with him? How long? Twenty

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what years?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Twenty one years? Today? So are as I joked with

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my wife's our marriage is now legal? Yeah of age right?

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Speaker 1: Our marriage and speaking of drinking.

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Speaker 2: That's almost like a I mean, that's that's like Sainhood

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at this point for her happy anniversary to the ray Fields.

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You're like antsy with me. I know the Yankees have

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their home baseball opener. You do understand the playoffs cannot

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be clinched today, my friend, they cannot be switched.

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Speaker 1: Today on opening Day.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to watch the little Opening Day baseball. We're

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taping this a little bit earlier than you know, because

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we usually do it in the evening. But I want

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to watch some ball. I want to watch the Duke

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game later.

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Speaker 2: To then you got Duke basketball tonight exactly. I'm well

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aware the Duke is playing the night.

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Speaker 3: I have them in every at the anniversary dinner.

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Speaker 2: Now, how are you working that the Yankee game is ending,

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the Duke game is beginning, and you're trying to have

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a romantic evening for your anniversary with MISSUSSII. Like a

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TV with like a little handheld TV or a little phone.

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Speaker 3: So the games, it'll be between the Yankee game and

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the Duke game prior eating.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be eating for fifteen or twenty minutes in

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between the Yankee game and the Duke game.

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Speaker 3: The Yankees are at three.

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Speaker 1: Are not a night game, that's true. All right, So

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we've covered all of this.

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Speaker 2: He's our insider Fight Freaks Unit as his substack you

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should be subscribing. We got some uh, some tremendous stuff

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on tap, not just on this pod, but future pods.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: By the way, we're going to talk about Bruce Shueshue

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Carrington a little bit here from him on the previous

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pod right before this one, in advance of his featherweight

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showdown on the Top Rank card this weekend.

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Speaker 3: And we also had Brian Norman also Ryan.

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Speaker 2: Norman also last Friday. Norman about to defend the WBO

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welterweight title. We're gonna preview those fights in a few moments.

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Tim Zoo coming up in a little bit, some news,

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some nostalgia. All right, all the pleasantries are out of

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the way. Let's talk in the preview mode. William Zupaida

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Tevin Farmer two. They're about to fight fairly quickly here. Hey, hey,

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let's hear it. Get the rematch back in the ring

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in a lightweight showdown for the WBC's interim title. The

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number one ranking as well, because the Pida has been

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number one rank in all the organizations at lightweight. This

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is the Dezone Golden Boy main event in can Kun

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for Saturday night. All right, thoughts from you, initially in

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the preview mode, sir.

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Speaker 3: First of all, the good the good news is that

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their first fight that took place in November on the

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Latino Night card that Golden Boy put together that was

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in Riad, Saudi Arabia, was a heck of a fight.

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I mean it was a real barn burner. It was

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a very competitive fight. I didn't think there was controversy.

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the paida was the winner of the fight. I mean,

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he did end up with a split decision. I thought

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it was totally legit. I frankly didn't see how you

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could give Farmer the fight, but they did. One of

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the judges, okay, he did score a knockdown. And Farmer's

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always been, you know, a guy that's been competitive no

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matter when he's been in the action of these bouts.

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who is not yet ready to fight him, he was

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going through his own injury issues and then he had

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the fight that was in Saudi Arabia recently they decided

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to make the rematch. I'm glad they did. I'm not

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upset that Tevin Farmer is getting another opportunity. Zapaida is

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not a guy that's ever ducked anybody, So they're going

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to get back in there. They're going to do it again.

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seems very determined. Zapeida is a whirlwind, as anybody who's

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ever watched over twenty seconds knows that. He just comes

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in and throws a million punches and we'll see what happens.

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first fight is, you know, of all the accolades and

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all the good things you could say about Tevin Farmer,

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and he's a really good boxer, and he's a good guy,

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and the whole thing. Not a guy blessed with big

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punching power, not a guy that's had a ton of knockouts.

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so that sort of makes a little bit of the

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of the let's call it the storyline.

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Speaker 2: That Len Scott forgets a Paida hurt his hand during

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the fight. This is having problem with his hand during

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the fight, So there's another variable. How healed is the hand?

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Speaker 1: We don't know? Stay tuned right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So it's uh, it's it's it's just a good solid fight.

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assume that they'll move forward to try to make the

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fight with of course Stevenson at some point, he is

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the mandatory fight. Schakor's got no other big fight happening

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at the moment. You know, he's not getting a fight

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with Tank Davis anytime soon. Who's going to be moving

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towards the road t rematch and and and and others

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in the weight class, in my mind are not any

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bigger than Zepeida. It's a fight I think that Turkey

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is interested to do on one of the cards, and

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it's so it's a very makeable fight between Golden Boy

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and match Room Boxing. So anyway, in terms of the rematch,

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uh in uh in the next round of the fight.

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I mean, there's a lot at stake for both these guys. Yes,

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Farmer doesn't want to have another loss in a row.

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Is the paid is on the feet and he's right

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there in the in the picture for uh, a title fight.

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I am still irritated by the fact that they fought

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the fight in November for the title and it was

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only a schedule ten round fight. What are we doing here?

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At least the rematch? Remember rounds?

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Speaker 2: I do I do you remember you going off about that?

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So here's to getting an entertaining main event out of

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that one and again, UH Farmer a former world champion

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as well at one one thirty.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me?

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Speaker 2: Very interesting, UH for this rematch. A lot of times

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we talk and we're going to move on that. Sometimes

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the rematches are contractual, you have to have them. This

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is one where it seems warranted. I'm just saying that

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it seems like there's legit reason to have another fight,

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not unlike the Tank Davis Lamont roach fight.

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Speaker 1: It's upcoming, so let's have the rematch.

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Speaker 3: Well that the tank that the Tank fight is contractual

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because he opted for the reason.

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Speaker 2: But even but even still, that one is a compelling

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here's the reason to have the rematch. Same thing with

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this Pada was with the hurt hand and was losing

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some rounds, so.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't he wasn't getting this next rotation. Farmer wanted it.

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Zapeeda was like, okay, let's do it, and Uh. Everybody

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was on board. There was no issues. They made the

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fight very quickly.

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Speaker 2: Are you saying, are you saying to me again that

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we have another solution of we can get back in

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the ring in four months. We had this again, you know, recently,

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not not too long ago of if we really want

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to settle this same thing with the by the way

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again the tank roach rematch. If we will to settle

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this and get it done, we can do it in

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two or three or four months.

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Speaker 3: Anykon roach, You're gonna do it again quickly. We just

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saw even though it was contract, we saw fury usick,

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which was also compelling.

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Speaker 1: There to be bold. They got right back in the ring.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna see the other fight we're gonna talk about

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this weekend. Mikaela Mayer and Sandy Ryan, same situation, so

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Zipeida and Uh and Uh and Uh and Keevin Farmer,

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similar situation, compelling first fight, both guys interested to do

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it and we as fans are winners, and the two

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guys get to uh, you know, whatever clarity they may

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need to try to get some with this fight.

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Speaker 2: All right, entertaining co feature fighter in Oscar Colaso, the

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unified strawweight champion fighting someone named Edwin Cano. I defer

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to you to help me on that defending those titles.

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Tell me more about Klaso and the opponent here in

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Speaker 3: So I'm I'm I'm looking forward to the main event,

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but I'm actually also very much looking forward to Oscar Colaso.

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Not so much because the opponent is a superstar opponent

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or unification or some big big name. But Oscar Colaso

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has got swagger, he's got power, he's got personality, he

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can box.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: He is to me the most compelling fighter in the

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strawway division, a division that has not had a compelling

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fighter of any kind for uh, you know, maybe since

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Roman Gonzalez back however many years ago he was champion.

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we just mentioned the Latino Night card on which Tevin

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Farmer and Zepeida had their first match on that same

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card you had the the the unification fight where Oscar

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Colaso looked tremendous and scored a seventh round knockout against

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your boy uh Neomtron, who was going into that fight.

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the fight, Golden Boy had made the match between uh

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Colaso and Edwin Cano, but they had the ability if

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that Neamtrung was available, because they had been talking that

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they could put him out of the fight and slip

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Neom Chrung in, and they felt like it better to

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do the unification when we can, and so that's what happened.

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but they've kept their word to him and in the

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next defense Klasa was going to fight him anyway. So

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there is the element that this was a fight that

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was made for November. He got the unification instead. Now

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they go back to Cano for this fight, and so

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the compelling part about it if there is not again.

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Cano is not a big household name by any stretch

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of the imagination. You know, he's you know, he's won

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three of his uh well, he's unbeaten in his last

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four with three wins and a technical draw, unfortunately because

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of a headbutt situation. I believe it was. Anyway, here's

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the point, though, he goes into this fight where he

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is the Puerto Rican and he's had no problem taking

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this fight by going to Canoe's home country of Mexico

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to fight, and he's sort of been, you know, in

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a in a I think a good natured way kind

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of shit talking the Mexicans. You know, I'm being the

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Puerto Rico fighter comeing to Mexico. So he's I love

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the fact that he's there.

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Speaker 2: Any Is there any good way to do the crap

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Speaker 1: I don't know if there's.

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Speaker 3: He's been doing it in a good natured manner.

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Speaker 1: Needling. He's needling, that's what you're saying.

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Speaker 3: And so that makes it interesting because you know, Puerto

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fight in Keno's home country, and uh, you know, that'll

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add a little spice to the situation. And then you

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you you put that on the same card that also

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has the main event. That's an interesting matchup. You know,

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we got to I think the pretty nice card.

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Speaker 2: And for Colazo, let's hear it again for activity since

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winning his title when he beat Melvin Jerusalem in May

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of twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: I'm counting up.

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Speaker 2: One, two, three, four fights since then in less than

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two years. It's going to be his fifth fight in

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less than two years as a world champion. Again, let's

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hear it for activity, keeping yourself relevant, building up a

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good will with the fans.

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Speaker 1: If you put on entertaining fights. We like this. Good

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for him part.

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Speaker 3: Of that is and you can never let this escape

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you when you talk about that level activity for a

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world champion. Because he's in a strawweight division and is

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not a superstar name. Although he's edging towards being a

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more of a of a more better known fighter and champion,

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he fits the budget when you're when you're in those

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small weight classes, you can stay more active because you're not.

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and probably the biggest money he's ever made, but it's

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still in the context of the sport. It's not crazy money.

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So he's they're able to pay him and keep him

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busy because he can be in the main event or

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the co feature and not command you know, money.

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Speaker 1: Like he fits under the cap, he fits under the

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Salarid cap. He fits. But still kudos for him.

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Speaker 2: And let's see if Calaso is entertaining here, because he

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does have several knockouts in his title defenses as well.

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Speaker 3: So that was a really good puncher. He's exciting. He's

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got eight knockouts and eleven wins. I know he's not

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vastly experience, but he got to the championship, you know,

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in fewer fights than any other Puerto Rican fighter in history.

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Speaker 2: And I pretty well love the fact that as a

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little guy he gets up on the shoulders of Oscar

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de la Hoyer or Bernard Hopkins. But he's done on

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more than one occasion for photographs with the straw hat

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on in celebration in the ring. I'm looking to see

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if that will be the case in can Kun.

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Speaker 3: I don't recall him being on top of Oscar shoulders,

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specifically for Bernard Goetta.

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Speaker 2: Look, I know it's his I know it's his cornering,

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but I thought he was on top of Bernard Hopkins

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one time carrying him around a ring, and it may

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have been Oscar. Maybe I'm wrong about that. We got

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to go back and look at the photography on that

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as a case. But he's clearly an entertaining fighter. He's

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in the co feature Saturday night in Mexico again. Tim

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Zoo coming up in a few minutes. Let's talk about

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the ESPN Top rank card. Oh, by the way, world

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titles on the line. Here a rematch in the Ladies

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Welterweight title fight WBO Women's World title fight with MICHAELA.

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Mayer and Sandy Ryan here again. We just had this recently.

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There was controversy out of the ring. Mayer ends up

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winning the fight and we get a rematch Dan Rayfield.

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Speaker 3: Really good fight. Again, it's based on merit, based on

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interest from the fans, interest from the fighters, interests from

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the promoters, not because of some contractual obligation. They fought

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the first time in September in New York City. It

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was an outstanding fight, one of the better women's championship

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fights you'll see. And Mikaela has been in several excellent

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matchups that we could talk about in terms of entertainment

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value than Tasha Jonas fight was terrific. The bomb Gardner

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fight was very good. I was ringside when she thought

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Maya Vahaima Douche for a unification was a spectacular fight.

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So Mikaela has become not only an excellent boxer, you know,

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which he has that pedigree as an Olympian, but she's

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also become a fan friendly fighter as well. Sandy Ryan,

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you know, similar, they have no care for each other

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at all. This is a very hotly contested rivalry. They're

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not pals, they're not friends. They've known each other since

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the amateurs and we don't have to rehash it, but

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you know, remember she got insaney Ryan left the hotel

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to go to the fight, had paint thrown on her,

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accusing Mikaela and team of setting that up. There was

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all that stuff about how she was upset because mayor

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because of their trainer. She started working with one of

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Mikayla's assistant trainers in Kay Caroma, and Mikaela found out

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and wasn't told about it and fired him. So there

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was some bad blood there. There's a lot of like stuff,

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you know, going on in the background besides just the

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actual combat. When they got in the ring in September,

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they put on Shermand this fight as you mentioned, and Mayor,

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you know, Mayor did win the fight and took away

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that title from Sandy Ryan. And it was a competitive

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it was action packed. It was a majority decision in

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favor of Michaela on that night, and so, uh, you know,

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as soon as the ff I was over, Sandy Ryan

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was like, I want to rematch Mikaela's Michaela and top

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ranker given it to her. So they're doing it again

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and it should be another good fight. And there's been

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a lot of tension in this build up, like is

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to be expected given the fact that there's no love

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loss between these two women, and I would anticipate another

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another barn Burner kind of fight. And to me, yeah,

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Michaela won the first fight, but I feel like this

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fight could go either way.

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Speaker 1: Probably it was fairly close.

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Speaker 2: We'll probably talk about this, in fact, we will, we'll

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handicap it a little more on Friday's bet Us Boxing

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show at one Eastern time about what will happen in

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the rematch. Can I just say one more thing before

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we move on on this card? It's incomplete on what

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happened with red paint being thrown all over the outfit

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and the legs of Sandy Ryan outside the hotel as

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she was going to leave and head towards Madison Square Garden.

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Maybe it is just the skeptic in me that it

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still doesn't add up that MICHAELA. Mayer's people would do that.

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It almost just seems to me that that was something

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maybe contrived. I'm saying this my opinion by her own

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team to fire her up to have an angle.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know what to make of that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think her own team would have done that,

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unnerve her like that for no reason.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but you know what, maybe she was in

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on it. Maybe she was in on it as something

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to fire her up and to go back it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It just it was very random and

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very doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 3: Like did you also think that we never land it

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on the Moon?

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Speaker 1: I do not.

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Speaker 2: I do not think that I know that we landed

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on the Moon because there's a bunch of astronauts that

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could talk about it, and there's been people flying around waitlessly.

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Speaker 3: But maybe that will just remain one of the great

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mysteries of boxing of what actually happened on that afternoon

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before they went to the arena. Well, I mean, we

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may never know.

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Speaker 2: I don't people make stuff up all the time. I'm

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not saying specifically to this people make.

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Speaker 3: It wouldn't shock me if it was somebody associated with

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the Mayor camp, not necessarily part of her immediate I'm

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not blaming her or her team, but somebody that thought

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that that that was close to the team, that was

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an outside like a like a lone wolf, so to speak,

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thought maybe they're helping her out rowing exactly, and may

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have done it in that respect. So interesting that she

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was innocent, her team was innocent, but a person close

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to the team thought that would somehow be helpful to

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her and did it without their knowledge. That's my I'm

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not saying that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: It's just my fel that's a ray Field working theory.

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Speaker 3: It seems like that's a reasonable explanation. I do not

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think that Sandy Ryan's own team contry. That would not

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make any sense to me anyway.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got all those fights on a lot of

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things in boxing don't make sense, all right. Brian Norman

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is the co feature fight you interviewed him last Friday

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in advance of this matchup with Derek Quavis, who is

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a Puerto Rican little known Norman making the first defense

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after being elevated.

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Speaker 1: He's had a hand injury. All right, give me a

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little more on this.

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Speaker 3: Brian Norman's a really good young fighter. I mean, I

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thought he came off really well in the podcast interview

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I did with them that we played on our last

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on our two shows ago. I guess right, and look,

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he is excited to get back in the ring. He

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had a spectacular victory as an underdog. He went to

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Giovanni Santition's hometown in San Diego. He dominated, he stopped him,

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He won the interim belt. I don't want to hear

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and I talked about this with a movement on the podcast.

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I don't want anybody to say that he's somehow the

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email champion because he was the number one contender, you know,

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matching or not, he was number one. I guess he

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was the next guy, but him and Santoine Santana were

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the two top guys. He beats Santion, but everybody going

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into that fight knew that Terrence Crawford, who was the

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undisputed champion, or maybe had already given up a belt whatever.

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He wasn't gonna stay in the welterweight division. He wasn't

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going to ever make any of the mandatories, and he

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ultimately won by one, vacated those belts, and of course,

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in August went up to the next weight class, you know,

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just a few months after this Santion fight, and became

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a title holder in the junior middleweight division. So he

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looked really good taking Santion apart, stopped him in the

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tenth round, knocked him down two times, bloodied him up,

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and just really really I thought, I said this to him.

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I'd been watching a lot of his preliminary ESPN plus

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fights when he was just you know, a good young,

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up and coming undefeated prospect, and he was unhappy with

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some of the performances. He had gotten some hype from

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top rank. I talked to some of the people at

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top rank who thought a lot of them, but we

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sort of were kind of left hold where he hadn't

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seen him shine. Well, he did against Santion and he

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really you know, broke out. But he hasn't been seen

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since then because he he re injured a hand that

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had surgery on before that had a forced this Quavest

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to be postponed. That was supposed to take place in November. Remember,

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around the same time, there was the possibility that he

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would pull out of that fight and they would do

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the unification with Boots Tennis. He went back for they

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were five hundred thousand or so apart and they ended

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up not making that deal. So now is really the

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chance he's healthy? He says he's back to defend the title.

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You know, he's on ESPN, you know, on the main

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network as well as on ESPN Plus, so people can

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get a chance to see him. He's got an engaging personality.

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He you know, if he fights in the same kind

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of style that he's been fighting in, especially the way

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he fought against Santition, he's got a chance to be

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a good crowd pleaser as well as a good boxer.

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He's the youngest current boxing champion of men in the

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world at age twenty four. He's a few months younger

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than Angel Ayala, who has one of the Flyway titles.

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So he is, you know, a baby in the sport

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by championship standards, and he's got big aspirations. You know,

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he wants to take care of this. He talks about

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being a future Hall of Famer, being the type of

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goals that he has, and being that as sort of

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a new look wealth division over the last you know,

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year and a half or so, since the you know,

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Spence and Crawford and Porter and and Danny Garcia and

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and kel Brooke and different guys have moved up in

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wait or retired. You know, it's like a new group

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of guys. It's him, It's Barrios, It's it's Ennis and

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Stanionis Stanionis and it is gonna unify. But you know,

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his perspective is I want all those guys and I'm

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gonna tell you I'm gonna I'm gonna be number one

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when when the last man is standing. So I like

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the swagger, I like the but it's not it doesn't

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come off as arrogant. So he's got a lot to show.

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You know, Quavis is not a known guy. He's got

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a good record. He's won four fights in a row

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by knockout. Uh, this is his chance. Let's see if

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you're the goods. Let's see if you can deliver in

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an excellent performance the way you did against Santion and

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if you can, uh, you know, move on to the

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next I mean he wants to smoke, as he says.

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I love the fact that he invoked when we were

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talking about things, uh quotes, he quoted Pernell Whittaker. So

473
00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:54,960
it shows me he has an aptitude for what came

474
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,880
before him. He understands, you know, the greats and uh

475
00:20:57,880 --> 00:20:59,960
and and the and the sort of the the found

476
00:21:00,079 --> 00:21:01,960
nation of the history of the weight class, and and

477
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,119
and who the top guys were that he's following in

478
00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,720
the footstep submar he hopes to uh, you know, Prnel Whitaker,

479
00:21:06,759 --> 00:21:09,079
of course was a great welterweight champion himself before he

480
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:13,319
died and retired. So I'm actually as much as I'm

481
00:21:13,319 --> 00:21:16,480
interested to see uh Mikaela and saying he duke it

482
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,279
out in the main event, I'm very interested to see

483
00:21:19,599 --> 00:21:23,319
how Brian looks coming back off the layoff a spectacular

484
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:27,240
performance in his previous fight, having now gotten the full title,

485
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,960
and see if he can put together a run. You know,

486
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,640
he's an interesting personality. And the welterweight division is a historically,

487
00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:36,799
you know, great division, and you want to see guys shine,

488
00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:40,039
and there's important fights in that division between Stanionis and

489
00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:42,599
and Is in a unification. Barrios just had a great

490
00:21:42,599 --> 00:21:46,079
fight on the undercard of when Jake Paul and Mike

491
00:21:46,079 --> 00:21:48,400
Tyson had their fight. That was a tremendous battle. And

492
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,759
now next up in the rotation is, uh, you know,

493
00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:52,400
we're gonna see Brian Norman back in.

494
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,599
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, Brios was lucky to get a draw in

495
00:21:55,599 --> 00:21:58,440
that fight in November hand his belt.

496
00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 3: So that's the fight that he really wants because he

497
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,440
he talked about in the interview about always wanting to

498
00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:04,920
you know, as much as he likes to having the

499
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,440
WBO title, he really wants to get his hands on

500
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,480
that BC belt. And he mentioned the fact that you know,

501
00:22:09,519 --> 00:22:12,519
always seeing when he would watch Floyd Mayweather and Muhammad

502
00:22:12,519 --> 00:22:17,400
Ali and uh, you know, and these guys always right right, well, no,

503
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,839
it was actually he mentioned Sugar Ray Leonard. Those are

504
00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:21,559
the three he mentioned it guys who always had the

505
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,440
WBC belt, and that's that's a belt he really covets

506
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,440
at some point in his career.

507
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:26,640
Speaker 1: All right.

508
00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 2: Also, who you just recently talked to on the previous podcast,

509
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,759
Bruce Shoeshoe Carrington and Jose Enrique Vivas. This is a

510
00:22:33,799 --> 00:22:38,839
featherweight WBC eliminator and Shoeshoe on the rise here. We're

511
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,920
looking for a big performance from him on this card,

512
00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,400
his top ranked card on Saturday Night.

513
00:22:44,759 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's the official eliminator. If he wins

514
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,480
this fight, he's going to be the mandatory for the

515
00:22:49,559 --> 00:22:52,160
WBC featherweight title. And it's so that makes it an

516
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,599
important fight, similar to what we talked about with the

517
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,599
interim title fight that took place between Zepeida and Farmer

518
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,319
the first time around. It drives me, Battie, that this

519
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,039
is not a twelve round fight. I know, technically, within

520
00:23:02,079 --> 00:23:04,480
the rules of the WBC it can be made a

521
00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:06,519
ten rounder. I do not agree with that at all.

522
00:23:06,759 --> 00:23:08,960
If you're going to fight in an elimination fight to

523
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,960
get a chance, they.

524
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:15,519
Speaker 1: Do whatever they want. Well, they do whatever they want.

525
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,599
Speaker 3: Again, if you take five minutes to read the rules,

526
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,359
you'll see it as legal. It's just not the thing

527
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:21,640
that they normally read.

528
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: Their rules and then they change their rules. They don't

529
00:23:24,319 --> 00:23:28,160
follow their rules. Don't lecture me about read their rules, Rayfield.

530
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,440
They make it up there to follow.

531
00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

532
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,759
Speaker 3: More importantly, in terms of the fight itself, the winner

533
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,640
will be the mandatory challenger for Steven Fulton, who recently

534
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,000
won the WBC title when he defeated in their rematch

535
00:23:42,039 --> 00:23:45,039
Brandon Figueroa. So Carrington is fired up for the fight.

536
00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:47,519
I'm assuming that Vivas is also. But the thing that's

537
00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:51,119
interesting is that Vivas uh not a well known fighters

538
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,400
twenty three and three and the three losses that he

539
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,160
took are all against reputable opponents who all fought for

540
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,519
world titles. So this is the measuring stick. Is Shushu

541
00:24:00,599 --> 00:24:04,279
gonna perform against a guy who showed that he could

542
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,160
go the distance? You know in some fights that were

543
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,599
complete blowouts, others that were a little bit closer. But

544
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,920
for example, as three losses are all against guys that

545
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,920
fought for titles, Ruben Villa that was a complete wipeout,

546
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,880
you know, he basically got shut out. Edward Obias who

547
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,920
fought against En Navarette and did not win that fight obviously,

548
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,720
but he went to a majority decision against Vivas, and

549
00:24:24,839 --> 00:24:28,680
Vivas lost this one and then back in twenty twenty three,

550
00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:32,119
he also fought ah not that big of a good

551
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,160
fight to watch, but not the most competitive in terms

552
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,759
of the scores, against Joet Gonzalez, who has fought for

553
00:24:36,839 --> 00:24:39,680
world titles on multiple occasions. So those are the guys

554
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,279
that have lost to Viva's. I'm sorry that Vivas has

555
00:24:42,319 --> 00:24:44,759
lost too, So now it's up to Carrington. Can he

556
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,440
do what they did and look even better and separate

557
00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:51,119
himself as he tries to strive to get this title shot. Now,

558
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,519
I still think that Shushu Carrington has even if he

559
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:58,319
wins this fight and becomes the mandatory an extremely limited resume.

560
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,279
Extremely limited resis not a guy that, in my opinion,

561
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,519
based on a win against Vivas, should be the mandatory challenger.

562
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,920
That said, his talent is undeniable. He's got good punching

563
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,960
power for the featherweight division. He definitely got marketability, and

564
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,920
he's a he's got everything that you want to see

565
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,480
in a young contender. He can fight, and he can talk,

566
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:20,680
and he can, you know, bring in a crowd and

567
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,400
get people talking. But his resume does lack. But he

568
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,440
has aspirations to fight the best guys and so he

569
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,000
wants Stephen Fulton. That's a he said he thinks his

570
00:25:30,079 --> 00:25:32,839
high Q is better than Stephen Fulton's. I'm like Shushu

571
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,920
all respect. Stephen Fulton's been in the ring with a

572
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,559
lot of good guys. He's been in there twice with

573
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:40,759
Brandon Figueroa beat him twice, had the stones to go

574
00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:43,680
over and compete against Noida in a way in Japan.

575
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:45,160
I mean, you know, he didn't win, but it's not

576
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,400
like he didn't know what he was doing. And he's

577
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,839
fought other you know, Angelo Leo, he has a win against.

578
00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:54,880
He's fought good quality guys. So kind of like Brian Norman.

579
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:58,880
There's a lot of swagger from from Shushu the way

580
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,880
there is from Norman. Now it's see if these men

581
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:01,559
can back it up.

582
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: There you go for both of them.

583
00:26:03,759 --> 00:26:07,599
Speaker 2: Again, that's a top rank show in Las Vegas. All right,

584
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,119
Moving on, this guy's got a lot to prove and

585
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,960
he's here to talk about it. Tim Zoo when last

586
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,640
we saw him, he was knocked out Rayfield in the

587
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,359
words of Howard Cosell, whose birthday, by the way, would

588
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,960
have been earlier this week. Cosell would have been one

589
00:26:23,079 --> 00:26:25,440
hundred and seven years old. He's born in nineteen eighteen.

590
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: Believe it or not.

591
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: I remember because I was there for Bakram Martazelajev beating

592
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,079
up Tim Zuo and knocking him out last October. Well,

593
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,759
now Zoo is off of that knockout and will now

594
00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:43,960
fight on April fifth in the United States April sixth

595
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,960
in Australia against American Joey Spencer. But you do not

596
00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:49,519
have to wait, as I like to say, until next week.

597
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,240
Here from Tim Zoo right now with Dan Rayfield on

598
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:55,200
the comeback trail. Keith Thurman may be in the offing.

599
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,880
Let's hear from him right now.

600
00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:00,799
Speaker 3: Well, it's my great pleasure to welcome back to our podcast.

601
00:27:00,839 --> 00:27:04,559
It is the former WBO Junior Middleweight world champ, Tim Zoo. Tim,

602
00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:06,680
welcome to the show. I'll tell our folks what you've

603
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,160
got coming up. You're gonna be taking on the American

604
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,480
Joey Spencer in Sydney, Australia. It'll be Saturday night, April fifth,

605
00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:15,680
and the fight will be on prime video here in America.

606
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,440
It will be Sunday afternoon on pay per view in Australia.

607
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,599
Get that out of the way. I get all confused

608
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:24,519
with the time zone change between here and Australia, but anyway,

609
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:26,039
thank you for doing this. Welcome to the show.

610
00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 4: Have you been yeah, going, Everything's gone good.

611
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,759
Speaker 3: I'm glad to hear that. Well, we're gonna get into this.

612
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:34,680
It's a little bit of a different scenario than when

613
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,079
you had your last fight back in October. This will

614
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:40,599
be your first fight since you had the IBF World

615
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:44,519
title challenge against their junior middleweight title holder, Baker Matazalev.

616
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:47,160
That was October. You came to the United States again,

617
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,519
fought that fight in Orlando, Florida, and look, we all

618
00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:52,759
know it was a big shocker. You were a heavy favorite.

619
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:55,359
He knocked you out. He dropped you four times, three

620
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,839
times in a round two, another time in round four,

621
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:01,279
got the stoppage. That It's been a few months and

622
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:03,599
this will be your first fight since then. Have you

623
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,920
what have you like spent time sort of if you

624
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,119
have even reflecting on what happened, what went wrong, how

625
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,319
that all became such a mess that night.

626
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think I went into early and

627
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,119
go caught with the first shot. It was the first

628
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,240
one to land it, and I felt like I never

629
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:25,759
really recovered from from there. I remember at that time,

630
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:28,559
with the first bunch, my I could have filled my

631
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,920
legs and it was it was.

632
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 4: An up to battle. It was more like in my head,

633
00:28:34,279 --> 00:28:34,599
I was.

634
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:39,559
Speaker 5: Like I needed to just keep getting up and I'm

635
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:41,880
Meloria and I'm just gonna stay up and try to

636
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:43,839
get up no matter what. So it wasn't more about

637
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,920
like winning the fight anymore after that first knockdown.

638
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: It was more about just trying to survive.

639
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,519
Speaker 3: I guess, well, listen, one thing, It's one thing to

640
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:54,680
get stopped in a fight. But I think anybody that

641
00:28:54,759 --> 00:28:57,759
saw that saw, like you said, a warrior, because you

642
00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,920
got up, you know, three times, and we're getting up

643
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:03,000
the fourth time, and that showed a lot of heart.

644
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,000
But I wonder when that occurs and you then go

645
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:07,720
back and analyze what happened afterwards, was any part of

646
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:09,839
it in your mind that maybe I underestimated him a

647
00:29:09,839 --> 00:29:11,440
little bit because you were the heavy favorite, you were

648
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,720
coming off of the loss of Fandora, But there was

649
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,000
some special circumstances with that one, given the cut that

650
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:19,799
you suffered and the close nature. Even with the cut,

651
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:23,400
still a split decision, Did you underestimate Bakram at all?

652
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'd say a certain extent. Yet I'd say, uh,

653
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,920
I thought I was gonna.

654
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,039
Speaker 4: Take him out in under two rounds.

655
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:35,039
Speaker 5: In my head, I was I was feeling on top

656
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:37,720
of the world, and I felt like, yeah, I was

657
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:38,799
just gonna cleave him out.

658
00:29:39,599 --> 00:29:41,759
Speaker 3: I wonder why you would think that, because his background

659
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:47,240
was strong, good power, good record, comes off a very

660
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:50,279
good performance in his title victory against a reputable opponent,

661
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,720
maybe not an a class fighter in cul K, but

662
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:56,279
still a pretty solid veteran. So I wonder what made

663
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:58,559
you think It's one thing to believe in yourself that

664
00:29:58,599 --> 00:30:01,759
you're gonna win and maybe get another Okay, but two rounds,

665
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:02,680
that's that's kind of bold.

666
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,079
Speaker 5: I thought, Yeah, how the way I felt before coming

667
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:10,799
in and how I had my prep and how everything

668
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:11,319
was going.

669
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 4: I was in this crazy state of mind that.

670
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 5: Everything that I was going to touch was just going

671
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,119
to explode, you know.

672
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: So how did you process the loss? How'd you deal

673
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,680
with it? Particularly because I mentioned it was your second

674
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:27,400
loss in a row.

675
00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:35,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, I just took it with how it was. Boxing

676
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,400
is a game of interest, man, it really is, you know,

677
00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:44,440
and that fight it was that fight was a cost

678
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:44,960
of interest.

679
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 4: It wasn't. That's all it was.

680
00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 5: And for me, it's just about regrouping, analyzing, and just

681
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:53,960
becoming better from it.

682
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,319
Speaker 3: Have you put it out of your mind? Are you

683
00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:58,920
over it? Or is it help you get motivated for

684
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,920
what you have in the future. I was wonder when

685
00:31:01,119 --> 00:31:04,279
a fighter comes off of a loss like that, do

686
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:07,480
they forget about it? Do they want to think about it?

687
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:09,400
And I asked you that because I go back a

688
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,519
long way with with Vladimir Klitschko. Vladimir Klitschkow became a

689
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:17,000
great heavyweight champion, set records, became a Hall of Famer,

690
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,920
but obviously had some very high profile knockout losses. And

691
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:22,400
the one thing he told me a long time ago

692
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,759
is when he got knocked up by Layman Brewster, he

693
00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:27,680
never wanted to forget it. He had pictures of it

694
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:31,519
up in his office. He had thought about it, you know,

695
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,759
watched it back when he would prepare for fights. He

696
00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,319
wasn't studying his opponenty, he was watching back, you know,

697
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,039
his loss to Layman Brewster, because he never wanted to

698
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:41,119
forget about how it made him feel. And I always

699
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,240
wonder the mentality of a fighter coming off of that

700
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:46,599
kind of loss and where you stand. Are you trying

701
00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:48,519
to just put Bachram out of your mind or do

702
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,359
you want to have it kind of stinging hurt so

703
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:50,960
it motivates you.

704
00:31:51,119 --> 00:31:54,839
Speaker 5: No, it's a motivation for me, just because I still

705
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,319
say I still feel it and something that I don't

706
00:31:57,359 --> 00:32:01,359
want to feel ever again. And it was age mistakes

707
00:32:01,359 --> 00:32:03,680
were made just by inches, and.

708
00:32:06,119 --> 00:32:09,279
Speaker 4: Those inches I'm not gonna shove over again.

709
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 3: A lot of fighters, they take a loss, they blame

710
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,680
the trainer or the promoter or the manager, you know,

711
00:32:15,799 --> 00:32:18,160
a bad breakfast, whatever the case. Maybe other guys they

712
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,640
suck it up and they put it on themselves and

713
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,079
they take the responsibility. Where do you come down in that?

714
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,319
Are you making changes to your team? Are you just

715
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:27,599
taking like a man like you know, we're going to

716
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,839
get through this and you know, keep the status quo.

717
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,240
What was your perspective now as you prepare for Spencer.

718
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was all my fault. You know.

719
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:37,039
Speaker 5: I came in swinging like a meadow, you know, and

720
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:42,440
and I came in and I guarantee if the if

721
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,160
the fire, if the file was fought most strategically a

722
00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:49,920
round four onwards, it would have been a different story.

723
00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:54,599
And that's the part that I regret.

724
00:32:54,680 --> 00:33:00,559
Speaker 4: But there's no point regretting things because it's not the fall.

725
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,960
It's always how you get up after you four.

726
00:33:04,079 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 3: I agree with that. So okay, now you're back home

727
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:09,079
in Australia after the two fights in a row in

728
00:33:09,119 --> 00:33:11,359
the United States, it's you feel good to be home.

729
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,680
I mean, you got obviously a huge support there with

730
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,799
the fans. They love you. Does that more comforting to

731
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:18,640
be there than back here in the United States?

732
00:33:19,759 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 4: For me?

733
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: It was for me, it didn't really matter. I'm glad

734
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,839
to be home. It's a good feeling. He especially to

735
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:29,480
be fighting front of the fans. Ara makes it a

736
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,519
big day, a big occasion. So it's always it's always

737
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:34,839
good because you're doing part of the reason you're doing

738
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:35,880
this is for the love.

739
00:33:35,759 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 4: Of the fans and the love of the sports. Yeah.

740
00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:40,759
Speaker 3: So let's talk a little bit about Joey Spencer. He's

741
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,079
nineteen and one, he has eleven knockouts, a little bit

742
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:44,720
younger than you. He was only twenty five years old.

743
00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,319
He has won three fights in a row since his

744
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,880
loss by a knockout the Hazers Ramos. This is back

745
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,279
in twenty twenty three. Some people viewed him as a prospect.

746
00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:57,440
Some didn't really view him as a big prospect based

747
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,720
on the type of guys you've been fighting, and understandably,

748
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,759
given the circumstances, it seems like a little bit of

749
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:04,400
a step back in terms of the level of your opposition.

750
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:07,279
Totally understandable, like I said, but what is your assessment

751
00:34:07,599 --> 00:34:11,559
of Spencer and your own uh, your own career and

752
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:13,440
maybe taking as a little bit of a step back

753
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,559
from the caliber over the opposition that you have been fighting.

754
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 4: I think he's a.

755
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 5: I think he's a real good player in all honesty,

756
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,800
I think he's got good skills. Entirely losses against brummost

757
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,360
that's like, that's a he's a He's one of the

758
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:29,440
top dogs in the division.

759
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's an interesting fought, it's an interesting style.

760
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:35,400
You know.

761
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,519
Speaker 5: They always that type of stall, the ones that are

762
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:42,519
sleek that a movie. They always present a tremendous task.

763
00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,039
So it would be interesting.

764
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 3: Now. I know you're coming off of as we talked

765
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:49,599
about the stoppage loss, and I think back. You know,

766
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:51,960
I'm old enough to remember going back to nineteen ninety

767
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,840
seven when your father, Kasazu, who at the time was

768
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,840
the IBF Junior welterweight world champion, he took a tenth

769
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,440
round knockout laws and a massive upset against Vince Phillips.

770
00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:04,440
And I wonder if you've ever thought about the fact

771
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,280
that after your father lost his fights as a huge

772
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,440
favor and lost the belt. That he went on after

773
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,199
that to have the biggest wins of his career. It

774
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,440
was really what he did after that lost to Vince

775
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,639
Phillips that made him a legend, that made him a

776
00:35:18,679 --> 00:35:21,159
Hall of Famer. He became the undisputed champion, scored the

777
00:35:21,159 --> 00:35:24,079
biggest wins of his career, and that maybe you look

778
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:25,960
at what he did and say, you know what, Okay,

779
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,440
I took a couple of losses, my best days ahead.

780
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:29,920
I can do what my dad did, and I can,

781
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,400
you know, go on and fulfill my dreams of being undisputed,

782
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,840
of being a Hall of Famer, that type of thing.

783
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,679
Do you ever think about that?

784
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:36,559
Speaker 1: Yeah?

785
00:35:36,599 --> 00:35:37,559
Speaker 4: For sure, for sure.

786
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:41,119
Speaker 5: And the road to success it's never just a straight road.

787
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,679
People always mistake that. You know, there's bumps and roads

788
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:50,239
on the way, especially in this sport. You know, it happens.

789
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,400
It happens. It's it's how you mentally deal with it.

790
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,760
And I say examples such as my father, someone is

791
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,440
so opposed to me, to say what he's done and

792
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:01,880
see how he came back.

793
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,679
Speaker 4: You know, that's an inspiration from me.

794
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,039
Speaker 3: Has he given you any kind of pep talk and

795
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,039
reminded you of that himself, of what he went through.

796
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,679
Speaker 4: I haven atlready spoke to him about it.

797
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: Okay, fair point. Well, on March twelfth, you were back

798
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,679
ringside doing a good job, by the way on the commentary,

799
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,000
because I watched it when Keith Thurman was in Sydney

800
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,159
for his main event against your Australian countryman, Brock Jarvis.

801
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:26,920
He came back after a three year layoff Thurman. He

802
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,920
scored a knockout against Jarvis in the third round. And

803
00:36:30,039 --> 00:36:34,079
anybody who follows boxing knows that the talking point has

804
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:36,880
been if Keith Thurman goes to Australia and takes care

805
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,320
of Brock Jarvis and Tim Zook comes back and does

806
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,199
the same thing in the upcoming fight against Joey Spencer,

807
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:44,719
that there's going to be a fight between you guys,

808
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,880
probably this summertime. And I wonder what your thoughts are

809
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,280
about how Thurman looked and just your perspective on you know,

810
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:52,679
if you take care of what you got in front

811
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:54,599
of you, that that would be still, you know, a

812
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:56,239
pretty big fight. I mean maybe not at the level

813
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,880
of the world title when it was originally scheduled before

814
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,320
he got injured, and had to pull out of Obviously,

815
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,679
he ended up fighting Fandora as the replacement. But give

816
00:37:02,679 --> 00:37:04,079
me your just your assessment of what you thought of

817
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:07,199
Keith and your interest in having that big fight.

818
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:11,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's there's definitely some unfinished business right there.

819
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 4: I think he looked slightly old. Really, yeah, I think

820
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:21,719
he looked slightly old.

821
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 5: I was there bringside, so I was able to see

822
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,360
how he was breathing and stuff like that. He was

823
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,320
a bit shocked after the first round and then he

824
00:37:29,639 --> 00:37:30,400
sort of adapted.

825
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:31,559
Speaker 4: But he did fight.

826
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 5: Brock Jervis, who's again not a level final. So but look,

827
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,599
of course it's interests me. But I'm saying focused this

828
00:37:42,679 --> 00:37:43,639
one final at the time.

829
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:45,519
Speaker 3: You know, do you give him any slack for being

830
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:47,280
out of the ring three years with the major injuries

831
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:48,639
and he had one back.

832
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,559
Speaker 4: Happened. It happens, man, it happens. It's changed as well.

833
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:57,559
Speaker 5: He had kids and honeymoons and stuff like that.

834
00:37:57,559 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 3: That's true, I mean, but he seemed to really get

835
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,199
to get the fans in Australia very excited because Keith

836
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,599
is a great promoter and talker and it seems like

837
00:38:04,639 --> 00:38:06,960
if he does match up with you that just from

838
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,000
the promotional point of view, and frankly from the action

839
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:12,320
that you guys would put together in the ring. To

840
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,480
me anyway, it seems like a really exciting fight, a

841
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:18,280
fight that can propel the winner into something very big,

842
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,679
even bigger than the fight against each other. Is do

843
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,280
you do you think about it like that at all? Again,

844
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,519
I know you gotta fight for sure?

845
00:38:24,559 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 4: For sure is a big name.

846
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 5: He brings a big calup of farts you know when

847
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,079
you find him, and and a victoria of us a

848
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:39,360
guy such such as it only uh brings positivity into

849
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,599
the into the division.

850
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 3: You guys fighting a really good division because besides yourself

851
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,000
and and Thurman, who both have great names, uh. And

852
00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:48,920
then there's lots of other fighters who are are quality Fandora,

853
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,159
Uh you know who you've shared the ring with. He

854
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,599
just won a title defense. And and I would think

855
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:57,519
that at some point in your career, at wherever it

856
00:38:57,519 --> 00:38:59,079
takes you, that you'd like to have a rematch and

857
00:38:59,079 --> 00:39:01,159
get that back. Maybe some they may be a rematch

858
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:03,840
against bakerm at some point, who still has his title,

859
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:05,920
uh do you? And then there's also you mentioned before

860
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,880
about haus Ramos, who's got the victory against Joey Spencer,

861
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,920
who fought on Fundor's undercard, scored a good knockout victory.

862
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:17,000
Talented fighter as well, good contender. What do you think

863
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:18,880
about the makeup of the division And you can certainly

864
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,880
fit yourself into any of those fights if you continue

865
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,679
to do what you gotta do.

866
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, you know the division is still right home.

867
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,159
Speaker 5: And even though I took a buckward step in the

868
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,400
last one, I intend to get back to the back

869
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,719
to the drawing board and be still with the with

870
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,239
the big bulls there and and revenge mon.

871
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:40,039
Speaker 3: Losses is the measuring stick on how you perform with Spencer,

872
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,400
that that you need to do what Ramos did, which

873
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,639
is stop him, because there's only loss was the stoppage

874
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,880
against Ramos. Is that is that the intention to out

875
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:49,599
there and get rid of him the way that Ramos

876
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:50,920
did and maybe even do it even better.

877
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 4: No, on this one, man, this one, I'll just want

878
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,159
to be getting there and and and film myself. Man.

879
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,920
I just want to be the teams that I've always been.

880
00:40:00,039 --> 00:40:05,639
I always been and and they take calculated, calculated.

881
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:08,039
Speaker 3: Risks, So not not the reckless tim Zoo. Maybe that

882
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:12,159
came in the right against Backram exactly Lesson Lesson learned.

883
00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 4: I guess, of course, of course the hard way.

884
00:40:15,519 --> 00:40:17,079
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it is the hard way. Well, you know,

885
00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:18,480
you got a good to send to humor about it,

886
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:20,400
and it feels like you have a good demeanor about it.

887
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,280
So I appreciate that a lot of guys don't like

888
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,519
to answer those questions and talk about what happened in

889
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:26,599
such a rough one, but I appreciate that. I wish

890
00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:28,360
you the best of luck against Joey Spencer. Town.

891
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 4: Thank you so much.

892
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,320
Speaker 3: You bet good luck to you.

893
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:32,679
Speaker 1: All right.

894
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:37,159
Speaker 2: So again he is fighting next weekend April sixth in Australia,

895
00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:40,679
that's Sunday afternoon, April five, Saturday night late in the

896
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,679
United States against Joey Spencer. And it was fascinating in

897
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,599
the interview that he opened up to you about getting

898
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:51,679
knocked out that night last October and didn't seem to

899
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:52,800
want to shy away from it.

900
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, you know, I was happy to hear that

901
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:59,440
because sometimes I've talked to plenty of fighters coming back

902
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,920
from lost is, coming back from knockout losses, and it

903
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:05,000
ain't their favorite subject to dissect. So you know, you

904
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:07,480
ask the questions, and you kind of at least the

905
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,480
way I handle is, you know, you ask the questions.

906
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,480
I mean, as I always say to fighters, you know

907
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:13,400
I have the right to ask the question. You certainly

908
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,199
have the right to say no or to answer it

909
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,000
however you choose. But you kind of take their temperature

910
00:41:18,039 --> 00:41:20,760
when you ask and see, you know, if there's gonna

911
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,159
be a reasonable position for a follow up. And I

912
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:25,039
thought that Tim Zoo handle it like a pro. He

913
00:41:25,159 --> 00:41:27,760
is a pro. He didn't shy away from talking about

914
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,880
He didn't shy away from saying that, you know, he

915
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:31,760
may have taken him lately, he talked about how I

916
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,119
thought I was going to go in there and just

917
00:41:33,199 --> 00:41:35,119
knock him out as soon as I touched him, and

918
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:37,679
that you know that he did not have the right

919
00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:39,920
frame of mind that he should have had going into

920
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,039
that fight. And so hopefully he learned from that for

921
00:41:43,079 --> 00:41:45,719
the sake of his his career. We'll see what happens.

922
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,960
But it's a it's a it's a it's a fight

923
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,159
that he should win against Spencer based on what Spencer

924
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:54,719
has done, But we also have no idea how Tim

925
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,480
is making more physically. Now. My opinion based on the

926
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:01,320
conversation is that at least from a mental standpoint, he

927
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:03,880
seems to be good because he knows that Fandora lost

928
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,960
before that, because he's lost too in a row. There

929
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:10,039
was extreme extenuating circumstances and what happened against Fandora because

930
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:11,840
of the cut, and it was still a split decision.

931
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,320
I kind of throw that one out, even though it

932
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,679
did happen right, but the Martaz delay of one, you

933
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,079
can't really overlook that. This was not he got caught

934
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,239
with one shot again rounds.

935
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: I was in there.

936
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: I was in that carib Royal resort, in that ballroom,

937
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,920
that big ballroom, and the gasps. I can still hear

938
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,079
the gasp in my mind from the Australian media around

939
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:34,880
me when Martaz Alaya drilled him in the first round

940
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,559
and knocked him down and I'm still struggled.

941
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,559
Speaker 3: He got round two, not round round.

942
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: Two, but he got hurt. But then he got He's

943
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,960
down in round two and they were gasping. I still

944
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,320
remember standing five feet from Tim Zoo after the fight

945
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,199
was over, and this was this was interesting and compelling.

946
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,719
They were asking him about what happened uh with the knockdown,

947
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,880
and he said, I don't remember. He said, I can't,

948
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,039
I can't remember what happened, and he I mean, he's

949
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:04,440
basically still concussed and.

950
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:09,159
Speaker 1: An hour plus after that fight. So that was just interesting.

951
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,480
So now he's got to shake it off again.

952
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 2: You've got a very winnable fight with Joey Spencer, and

953
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,159
the fight in the offing is Keith Thurman one more time.

954
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,880
We believe if he's victorious, we'll talk more about it

955
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,519
next week. But that's obviously the carrot that's out there.

956
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:24,199
Speaker 3: That's again it's nothing apparently assigned on that yet. But

957
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,519
he's got to do his business and then presumably if

958
00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:28,559
he comes out of that, okay, I've heard of no

959
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:32,440
particular injury issues from Keith's victory you know, a couple

960
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,840
of weeks ago against Brock Jarvis. They're on the same

961
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,800
time schedule. It's a great it's a great setup. I mean,

962
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,840
if he goes in there and does the business against Spencer,

963
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,119
let's see the fight.

964
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,679
Speaker 1: Yep, more on that next week.

965
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:48,159
Speaker 2: All right, news and some nostalgia right back to top rank.

966
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:52,000
They have made official what we've been talking about previously

967
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,280
on this potty Manuel Navaraate is back on May the tenth.

968
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,400
Charlie Schuarez is the opponent. Tell me more about the card.

969
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,079
They announced the card as well, you already mentioned earlier

970
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:06,039
in the pod Giovanni santition. Tell me more about his

971
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:08,039
involvement as well with his main tenth card.

972
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,159
Speaker 3: Right, So none of this comes as a big surprise.

973
00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:12,599
I had reported on these bouts previous to the official

974
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:15,039
announcement which did happen. So, as you mentioned, it's the

975
00:44:15,199 --> 00:44:17,760
WBO Junior Lightweight tight holder Emmanuel Navarrette. He was going

976
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,400
to defend against the undefeated Filipino Charlie Suarez. That's the

977
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,719
main event he's going back. The fight card is going

978
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,840
to take place on May tenth. It's going to be

979
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,199
at the Chang Arena in San Diego, which is a

980
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,960
place where Navarrete has kind of made a little bit

981
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,360
of a home base in the United States. Is gonna

982
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,280
be his fourth fight in that arena. But the previous

983
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,159
fight that he had in that arena was when he

984
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,199
lost in his jump up to lightweight to fight Denny's

985
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:42,519
Brentchik for the belt in that way class. So you

986
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:45,239
know his mentality. As he said in his comments when

987
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,840
the fight was announced, that he's sort of you know,

988
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,840
he's kind of got some unfinished business, if you will,

989
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,239
in that building. So he wants to go back and

990
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,280
you know, basically saying i owe San Diego a win

991
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,639
and I'm going to settle that debt by getting a

992
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:01,840
dominant victory. Now, Suarez is not a guy that is

993
00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:04,639
well known, but he's been boxing on some of the

994
00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:08,000
top rank ESPN Plus cards. Like I said, an undefeated fighter.

995
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,039
So that's the next defense. I I'm not. I have

996
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:14,079
no particular issue with them making that particular matchup. I

997
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,880
am personally disappointed though, that they did not take the

998
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,159
opportunity to make never at the against against Oshaki Foster

999
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,000
in the unification fight. You know, I totally get the fact,

1000
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,679
even though I hate to say it, that sometimes fights

1001
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,360
do need to marinate a little bit. I get that

1002
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,559
this is not one of those times. These are two

1003
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:34,760
guys that have had their titles for a minute. These

1004
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,039
are two guys that are not getting any younger. There's

1005
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:39,199
zero reason in my estimation why this fight was not.

1006
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: Now I'll tell you what the reason most likely is.

1007
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,400
They didn't pay him enough. They weren't going to pay

1008
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,320
Foster enough. That's what my thought is. And that's why

1009
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,800
we want to do it again that we talk about budgets.

1010
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,719
We talk about budgets right and being able to make

1011
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:50,639
it work right.

1012
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:52,519
Speaker 3: No question but that. But it's a fight that they

1013
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:54,639
had already spoken about in terms of saying that's what

1014
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,199
their agenda was to try to make that match. So

1015
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:59,519
it seemed like this was the logical time to do

1016
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,840
it when they're was no mandatory problems with anybody anyway.

1017
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:05,000
They're doing the fight with Suarez, so so be it.

1018
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:07,480
So that's the main event, and then the co feature,

1019
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:12,239
which we've talked about before with Lomachenko on the shelf

1020
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,000
with an injury and his future somewhat uncertain at the moment.

1021
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:15,400
Speaker 4: Uh.

1022
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: There, the IBF is permitting this fight between Raymond Maretaya

1023
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:22,280
and Zadliav to be for the interim title. We'll see

1024
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,840
if Loma ever comes back to defend against the winner.

1025
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,519
But this is actually an interesting match with me because

1026
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,239
Murtaya is n defeat. He's been waiting for this type

1027
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,880
of opportunity. Abd Eliv who's a Russian fighter, he has

1028
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,360
won nine fights in a row, uh and he's been

1029
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,679
active and his only he's sponsor them. Okay, guys. His

1030
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,400
only lost he had got to go back a few

1031
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,440
years ago when he was boxing for the WBC's interim title.

1032
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,039
Uh and and that was down in the lightweight division,

1033
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:49,679
where you know staying. He's still in the lightweight division.

1034
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,880
That was an interim fight back at the time when

1035
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,480
he got stopped by Devid Haney, not a big puncher,

1036
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:58,320
but uh, it did happen. But he's won, like I said,

1037
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,320
nine fights in a row since then. So this is

1038
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,079
a competitive matchup, I believe, between two guys that are

1039
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,119
reasonably rated within the top ten of your lightweight division.

1040
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,440
And they got stakes at hand. And it's the undercard

1041
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,800
fight you mentioned about Santon. He is at home in

1042
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,400
San Diego. So in the other fight that was announced

1043
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,440
that's on the ESPN Plus part of this event, he

1044
00:47:17,519 --> 00:47:19,880
will be back in the ring to face the fellow

1045
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,800
south boy Angel Beltron in a ten rounder, trying to

1046
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,320
sort of get himself back together and try to make

1047
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,280
another run of the title.

1048
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: All right, more news.

1049
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: We saw Sebastian Fundora, the Towering Inferno Blitz Cordeal Booker

1050
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,639
last weekend. There's already movement on his next fighting. There's

1051
00:47:37,679 --> 00:47:40,320
also we saw his sisters celebrating.

1052
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: In the ring with him.

1053
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 2: She's part of his corner, part of his team. More

1054
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,480
encouragement than anything. Gabriella Fundor, there's news about her, Fundora

1055
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:47,679
and Fondora news.

1056
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:52,199
Speaker 3: All right, So I'll start with Sebastian. As you mentioned,

1057
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:54,239
he got the victory against Cordel Booker, and in the

1058
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,639
ring with him after that fight, taking pictures with him

1059
00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:58,960
was the young xanders Ayas who.

1060
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: Was not we like to say on the pod that

1061
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:02,559
was not an accident.

1062
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:05,519
Speaker 3: Yes, So he is the WBO's number one contender in

1063
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:07,440
that way class at one hundred and fifty four pounds.

1064
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:11,159
And it was known ahead of time that because Gustabo Olaveri,

1065
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:14,760
who was the WBO president, had said publicly that he

1066
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,480
was going to recommend that they make him the mandatory.

1067
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:20,360
But it still has to go through the you know,

1068
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,679
the process of their committee and the whole thing. So

1069
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,719
it didn't come as any surprise when a couple of

1070
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,480
days later, after the fight was over, that the WBO

1071
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:30,360
announced that the committee had done their due diligence, I guess,

1072
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:33,719
and announced that now indeed they have made xanders Ayas

1073
00:48:34,079 --> 00:48:37,239
Fandora's mandatory challenge and ordered the fight, and the good

1074
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,840
news is he wants to fight Fandora seems to be

1075
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,079
fine with the fight. They were taking pictures, like I said,

1076
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,719
and their teams are already talking about the fight. I

1077
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,880
don't know if it's happened yet, but I reported. And

1078
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,599
when we're done with this, I'm actually gonna make a

1079
00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:54,239
couple of calls to see what actually transpired. Is that

1080
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:57,320
members of their teams were supposed to meet in Las Vegas,

1081
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,039
you know, for like a friendly lunch on Thursday, to

1082
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:02,519
have a conversation and sort of see what what's uh,

1083
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:04,880
you know what everybody has in mind if it does

1084
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,599
end up getting worked out and they don't have to

1085
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:09,320
go to a purse bit. Uh, it's probably gonna be

1086
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,280
like a July ish kind of fight, maybe in augustish

1087
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,639
kind of fight. But it seems like both sides are

1088
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,159
okay with moving forward to try to get the match done.

1089
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,679
And uh, look, how could you complain about that?

1090
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 2: Now?

1091
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 3: Yes, there's lots of big fights are I should say,

1092
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:26,360
bigger fights that Fendora could pursue in that weight class.

1093
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:28,639
You know, he could fight like for example, we've talked

1094
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:31,199
about Tim Zoo, but he's gonna probably have the Thurman

1095
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,719
situation coming up, so those the winner of that fight,

1096
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,639
if it ever happens, would seem to be a good

1097
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:38,519
opponent for Frondorra, but that's still a little ways away.

1098
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,320
He had the the young Jesus Ramos who scored a

1099
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,280
good win on the undercard. That's that would be a

1100
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,559
great fight. Also, I don't think that's anything more spectacular,

1101
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,840
that much better than like a Xander Zayas fight. Uh

1102
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,119
And so anyway, that would be a pretty good matchup.

1103
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:55,079
I would I would be interested by that. I think

1104
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:56,440
it would get a good amount of attention.

1105
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:57,039
Speaker 1: Uh.

1106
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 3: I love the fact that Zius is embracing the fight,

1107
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,679
just wants to get the shot at the title. You know,

1108
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,119
he's a young guy, been working hard since he turned

1109
00:50:04,119 --> 00:50:07,480
pro at seventeen. So again, not done yet and they're

1110
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:10,000
just starting those conversations, but it feels like that's what's next.

1111
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:12,639
And as far as his sister, Gabriella Fondora, well, she

1112
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:18,480
is the undisputed women's Flyway champion and her next defense

1113
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:21,880
is a mandatory against her IBF challenger that was just

1114
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,000
announced by Golden Boy. They're doing a card where she

1115
00:50:25,199 --> 00:50:26,679
was and this is kind of cool, Like you don't

1116
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,840
see a lot of Golden Boy shows where the woman

1117
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,800
boxer is the main event. So she is going to

1118
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,079
be headlining this fight. It's going to be in you

1119
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:38,480
know where she lives in California, in her area, I guess.

1120
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,519
And it's April nineteenth in Oceanside, California. And they have

1121
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:46,360
Charles Conwell, who's the undefeated junior middleway contender, another guy

1122
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,119
that fits in the picture with any of these guys

1123
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,719
in that way least. He'll be on the undercard against

1124
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,320
Jie Garcia Perez. And so we got lots of fun

1125
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,280
door news going on.

1126
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: Good stuff on that following up. Also off last weekend,

1127
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:02,679
George cambosas did I did win, struggled really to put

1128
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,599
away and get the decision with Jake Wiley a last

1129
00:51:05,599 --> 00:51:10,760
minute replacement. And you were eluding on the recap pod

1130
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,320
that Richardson Hitchins is likely next, and you've zeroed in

1131
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,400
on what the date probably is and maybe the wear.

1132
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is not a total surprise. Eddie Hearn

1133
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,599
spoke about it after the fight after Cambos has got

1134
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:26,599
the victory that you know, even going into the fight,

1135
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:28,599
it was always assumed that the next up is going

1136
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:31,440
to be Cambosis to challenge Hitchins. Hitchins, of course has

1137
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,079
the IBF one hundred and forty pounds title, and that

1138
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:37,559
was Cambosis's the fight you mentioned about against Wiley, that

1139
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:39,880
was him moving up to the one forty weight class.

1140
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,679
But Eddie said that the target day was June twenty first.

1141
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:45,079
They're looking to try to do that fight at the

1142
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:49,039
Madison Square Garden Theater. Richardson Hitchins is from New York.

1143
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,679
It's a building where Cambos has pulled his greatest victory

1144
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,639
when he got the upset win against t Femo Lopez

1145
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:59,079
to become the lightweight champion. The people at Madison Square

1146
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:01,760
Garden would love to host that fight. That's where Richards

1147
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,519
and Hitchins and his team want to fight. Natru Mes

1148
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:07,199
certainly put fights on there in the past, including the

1149
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,719
fight with Cambosis and Lopez. So now it's just a

1150
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,599
matter of you know, sitting down with both sides and

1151
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:14,679
you know, working out an agreement and try to get

1152
00:52:14,679 --> 00:52:17,679
the fight done. But the big question that Eddie had

1153
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,159
was what's going to be the status of the cut

1154
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:23,000
that George Cambos has suffered because his perspective was whether

1155
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:26,599
it's George cambosas or whoever we're going in June with

1156
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,440
Richards and Hitchins. So the onus is gonna be for

1157
00:52:29,559 --> 00:52:31,920
Cambosa to show that his cut is not going to

1158
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,440
be an issue. It didn't seem like it was bad

1159
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:35,679
enough to keep him out for that long. But you gotta,

1160
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,599
you know, cross your fingers and hope there's no issues.

1161
00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:40,679
But listen, I'm not a big fan of cambos Is

1162
00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:42,559
getting the title shot off a win over Jake Wilie

1163
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:44,960
or even if he had beaten the original opponent with

1164
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:48,480
no particular history in the division and coming off you know,

1165
00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:52,599
some rough losses. But once the fight's made, those guys,

1166
00:52:52,679 --> 00:52:54,559
let me tell you TJ, they're gonna shit talk like

1167
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:58,000
there's no tomorrow. Because Cambos is a great talker, Hitchins

1168
00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:00,760
is a great talker, Hitchins is a new y. It's

1169
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,559
Cambosa's going back to the scene of his great victory

1170
00:53:03,559 --> 00:53:05,920
if in fact they get the fight done for that building.

1171
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:09,400
So there's definitely some compelling storylines to the fight, and

1172
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:11,800
you know, we'll see what happens with it.

1173
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,599
Speaker 1: To quote my guys, you two and bono.

1174
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: This fight happening June twenty first for cambosis will happen

1175
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,119
with or without you. As they say, I will not

1176
00:53:19,199 --> 00:53:21,800
sing on the pod, but let's see if it does

1177
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,920
get finalized that it is him. There are reasons for that.

1178
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,920
All right, Two more things here nostalgia item coming up.

1179
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,360
Sadness that off the weekend where we lost George Foreman,

1180
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,480
the former heavyweight champion of the world, the Hall of Famer,

1181
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:39,000
the iconic personality really of the last twenty five thirty years.

1182
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:41,840
As well out of the ring that we also had

1183
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,360
the death of famed British boxing journalist Colin Hart, who

1184
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,920
died over the weekend at the age of eighty nine.

1185
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,599
I know you want to say a few words about

1186
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:53,480
covering numerous prominent fights and being around Colin Hart.

1187
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 3: It was a rough weekend, like you mentioned, between George

1188
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,199
Foreman passing away, the w the former WBBA lightweight champion

1189
00:54:01,199 --> 00:54:03,719
living Stone Bramble was sixty four when he passed away.

1190
00:54:03,559 --> 00:54:06,079
Speaker 1: At I did not know that what happened with him

1191
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:07,480
heart attack or they.

1192
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 3: Didn't say what the cause of his death was. But

1193
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,519
if you watch boxing in the nineteen eighties, especially the

1194
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:15,519
mid eighties, into the early nineties, living Stone Bramble was

1195
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:17,760
always on TV in a variety of different shows. He

1196
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:21,239
obviously had a very brief reign as WBA lightweight champion,

1197
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,880
but he had a compelling two fight series with Ray

1198
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,039
Boom Boom Mancini, and he fought a lot of great fighters.

1199
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:31,000
He just didn't win most of those fights. He fought Costazu,

1200
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:35,760
Buddy mcgert, Roger Mayweather, Freddie Pendleton, Charles Murray, Raffael rowlless,

1201
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,320
Oba carr On, and on and on. In terms of

1202
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:45,360
Colin Hart, Colin Hart was a great writer, a great

1203
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,239
boxing mind. Covered fights for felt like a million years.

1204
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,719
Here's a man who was a ringside in zi year,

1205
00:54:52,039 --> 00:54:55,719
who was ringside for any number of megafights, certainly covered

1206
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:59,079
all of the of the big time British champions. I

1207
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:01,360
was fortunate to get to know Colin when I first

1208
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,639
started my career. He had come to the United States

1209
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:06,320
for many fights involving the likes of Joel Kalzaggi and

1210
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,239
Lyric he Had and Prince Nassim and Lennox Lewis, and

1211
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,440
those were the top stars when I was first on

1212
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,400
the box and be covering these, particularly the early days

1213
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,039
when I started in Lennox, Lewis and the Prince were

1214
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,519
doing their thing, and so Colin was always kind to me,

1215
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:23,920
was our gentleman. I've told the story before about being

1216
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,239
in Louisville, Kentucky in the hotel room leading up to

1217
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,280
the Danny Williams Mike Tyson fight, and Mike Tyson entertained

1218
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,159
a handful of writers myself and maybe you know five

1219
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,559
or six others, And I've told the story about the pigeons,

1220
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,880
remember that, TJ. Yeah, fi around. So we went into

1221
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:43,599
the one room where the pigeons, and Mike saved one

1222
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:45,480
of the writers from sitting in a pile of pigeonshit

1223
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:48,039
in the chair. It was Colin Hart that he saved

1224
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,639
from sitting in the pigeonshit in the chair. I will

1225
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:52,559
never forget that for as long as I live. So anyway,

1226
00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,199
very very uh, you know, I bummed out. I mean,

1227
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,639
you know, when you get to be eighty nine, that's

1228
00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:00,320
gonna happen. But Colin was a good guy. And what

1229
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:03,280
Colin holds a distinction that's kind of a big deal

1230
00:56:03,599 --> 00:56:06,320
because in the Boxing Writers Association of America, which I've been

1231
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,199
a member of for a better part of twenty twenty

1232
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,360
four years of my twenty five years of writing about

1233
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,599
professional boxing as my living. In twenty eleven, he was

1234
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:19,679
the first ever non American to be honored with that award,

1235
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,000
which is only voted on by the past winners. So

1236
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:23,920
that was like a pretty big deal and I first

1237
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,519
was very honored that in twenty thirteen, I was the

1238
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:29,639
winner of that award. But Colin Hart, you know, so

1239
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:32,239
when I look at the list of guys that won that, like, Okay,

1240
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:34,400
I've been doing what I've been doing for a long time.

1241
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,199
But I look down the list of that and I'm like, man,

1242
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,960
I can't believe I won an award that these other

1243
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,199
guys also won. And you're talking about some of the greats,

1244
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:44,239
some of the legends of journalism. So what And I

1245
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:45,719
look at and I see that Colin Hart and I

1246
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,159
only separated by like two years. It really does blow

1247
00:56:49,199 --> 00:56:51,599
my mind because, you know, I guess they made an exception.

1248
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:53,079
I wasn't voting for it at the time because I

1249
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:55,079
hadn't won it yet, So I'm not sure what the

1250
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,159
situation was why he got in twenty eleven, because he

1251
00:56:58,199 --> 00:56:59,880
could have won it, you know, any time in the

1252
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:02,440
nineteen eighties or the nineties or the two thousands, whatever.

1253
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:04,679
But I'm glad that he got it because you know,

1254
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:06,880
he's one of the greatest boxing writers who ever lived,

1255
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,280
in my opinion, and it well deserved to be in Tannesaota.

1256
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: And obviously, if you're a longtime fight fan in the UK,

1257
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,559
you hinged on what this guy was writing in the

1258
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:18,239
recaps in particular because bear in mind this thing called

1259
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:21,440
the Internet we often talk about, this didn't exist back

1260
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,920
in like the seventies the eighties when Colin Hart would

1261
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:28,199
have been writing about the biggest fights that were going on. Oh,

1262
00:57:28,239 --> 00:57:31,320
I mean you had to, like you hinged on their recap.

1263
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,239
You hinged on their opinion, not.

1264
00:57:33,199 --> 00:57:35,199
Speaker 3: Just their reap, it was just the coverage during the

1265
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:35,679
fight week.

1266
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:36,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

1267
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:38,039
Speaker 3: And he worked for a big paper like one of

1268
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,320
the where I think he was probably best known. He

1269
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,840
worked for the for the Sun in England for many

1270
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,320
many years, which you know, cover boxing, still does cover boxing,

1271
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:48,480
and you know, but he you know, he made many

1272
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,800
trips the United States, covered like for example, Leonard Hearns

1273
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,760
won at Ringside. I mean, I covered a lot of

1274
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,760
fights within Vegas and New York and you know Connecticut Casinos,

1275
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,800
winning seam on med fought, et cetera. So you know,

1276
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,719
I was bummed out and I saw that. I knew

1277
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:03,000
we had kind of been a little bit aling. I

1278
00:58:03,039 --> 00:58:04,920
hadn't talked a little while, but I know people that

1279
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,360
are in touch with them through my connections with other

1280
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,719
people in the media business. So I was I was

1281
00:58:10,719 --> 00:58:12,480
bummed out when I read about that. When I heard

1282
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:13,960
about that, So, you know, rest in peace, my man,

1283
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:14,599
Colin Hart.

1284
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: Excellent stuff there, rip to Colin Hard. I just looked

1285
00:58:19,039 --> 00:58:23,079
while you've made mention of it. Livingstone Bramble lost twenty

1286
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:27,199
six times in his career. I would have never believed

1287
00:58:27,199 --> 00:58:29,360
that he kept fighting on and lost that many times,

1288
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,800
a guy that legendarily beat Boom Boom Mancini. That is

1289
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,960
a shocking boxing factoid to me on a Thursday.

1290
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 3: Holy he did become, you know, unfortunately a pretty much

1291
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:42,320
just a journeyman with a good name towards the latter

1292
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:44,719
part right of a scare. But like I said, in

1293
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,039
his heyday, during that period of time in the mid eighties,

1294
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,280
he was in a lot not mistaken.

1295
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 2: It isn't that Mancini's first loss is living Stone Bramble

1296
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,000
if I'm not mistaken, we got double check on that.

1297
00:58:55,039 --> 00:58:56,480
But he beat him twice, I know that, But I

1298
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:58,599
would have never thought that that he lost that many times.

1299
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:00,000
And rest in peace, Livingstone Brands.

1300
00:59:01,159 --> 00:59:03,519
Speaker 3: They were certainly compelling fights. I mean, like you know,

1301
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,800
Mancini was a big star and then and Bramble may

1302
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,320
not have been the level of the star, but he

1303
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,400
was certainly known to the boxing public.

1304
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: Upset because boom boom again in the nineteen eighties, the

1305
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:16,760
early eighties, the mid eighties was iconic in American Am

1306
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,719
I wrong? It wasn't Bramble his first loss. I believe

1307
00:59:19,719 --> 00:59:24,440
that is the case, Raymoncini. I believe it is from

1308
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:25,519
back in the day.

1309
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,119
Speaker 3: No, his first loss was Alexis Argueyo back in the day.

1310
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:29,199
That was the title.

1311
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 1: My bad, all right.

1312
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:32,239
Speaker 3: So his next, his next, his second loss, and his

1313
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:35,480
third loss were the losses to Bramble. One was a

1314
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:38,159
knockout in the fourteenth round when he lost the title,

1315
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:41,400
and then in the rematch that took place eight months

1316
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,440
later he lost. That was a fifteen round decision.

1317
00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 2: And again I go back to what you said last

1318
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,760
week about George Foreman. There is no way I would

1319
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:53,159
have ever believed he had twenty five comeback fights in

1320
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:55,360
the in the late nineteen eighties and early nineteen nineties

1321
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,840
before he fought Evander Holyfield, and that actually really happened.

1322
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:02,159
It's crazy when you look it did, and then it

1323
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,199
happened for real with the knockout. But think about now,

1324
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:07,480
I mean, if somebody had taken a long time off,

1325
01:00:07,519 --> 01:00:09,320
they're not going to have twenty five fights before a

1326
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,960
title fight, a prominent fighter, a big world time haul,

1327
01:00:12,199 --> 01:00:13,000
you know, world times.

1328
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 3: George. George is willing to take the money available. But

1329
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,079
then there was also at the time what they thought

1330
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:23,400
the putting aside HBO in showtime because of those fights

1331
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,760
that George had, some of them were on HBO. He

1332
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:29,920
did fight a few guys before he got the title shot,

1333
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,480
but the bulk of those fights were done on ESPN

1334
01:00:32,519 --> 01:00:35,079
and USA Tuesday Night fights, and that's how he was

1335
01:00:35,119 --> 01:00:35,639
able to do it.

1336
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, So tie it back to George Foreman

1337
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,039
with one piece of nostalgia to close it. It was

1338
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:43,320
twenty seven years ago tomorrow, as we released this Friday

1339
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,639
Thursday nine into Friday, March twenty eighth, nineteen ninety eight,

1340
01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:50,639
when Lennox Lewis defeated American Shannon Briggs and retained the

1341
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:56,239
WBC heavyweight title. And Briggs, as you have in my Rundown,

1342
01:00:56,280 --> 01:01:00,199
had controversially beaten George Foreman in and around that mid

1343
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,679
nineties timeframe. All right, so give me some nostalgia on

1344
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,480
Lennox Lewis and Shannon Briggs.

1345
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: Well. In November of nineteen ninety seven, George Foreman, in

1346
01:01:11,039 --> 01:01:14,559
what became the final fight of his legendary career, fought

1347
01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:18,039
Shannon Briggs in Atlantic City, and George, even though he

1348
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:20,760
had no longer had the sanctioning body belts that he

1349
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,760
had won when he knocked out Michael Moore, he was

1350
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:25,840
still the lineal champion. He was the man who beat

1351
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:27,639
the man who beat the man, et cetera. So there

1352
01:01:27,719 --> 01:01:32,159
was no dispute about that. What there was a dispute

1353
01:01:32,159 --> 01:01:34,519
about was the fact that they gave Shannon Briggs the

1354
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:37,039
majority decision in that fight in Atlantic City, that most

1355
01:01:37,079 --> 01:01:41,719
people thought that George won the fight. Now, in retrospect,

1356
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:43,840
I'm never saying it's a good thing that a guy

1357
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,039
gets robbed. But in the end, George didn't get to win.

1358
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,519
It caused him to retire, So that was probably the

1359
01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:51,639
right decision, and Briggs went on and in his next

1360
01:01:51,639 --> 01:01:55,280
fight just four months later, like we're talking about the

1361
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,440
anniversary March twenty eighth, nineteen ninety eight, he faced Lennox Lewis.

1362
01:01:59,519 --> 01:02:02,280
Lennox was the WBC champion, so this was the fight

1363
01:02:02,719 --> 01:02:07,639
that allowed the lineage to transfer smoothly to Lennox Lewis,

1364
01:02:07,639 --> 01:02:10,480
who then kept it until he retired. I mean, there

1365
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,599
was ups and downs because he lost, regained it, et cetera.

1366
01:02:12,880 --> 01:02:15,880
But ultimately when he retired, that void was filled by

1367
01:02:16,119 --> 01:02:20,159
the consensus, the coalescing, if you will. Around Vladimir Klitschko

1368
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:22,960
was the dominant figure and had won three of the belts,

1369
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:26,559
but the fight between Lenox and Shannon Briggs. Going into

1370
01:02:26,639 --> 01:02:29,199
that fight was a match and everybody kind of pissed

1371
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:32,119
on because everybody's like, well, Briggs okay, lineage aside, it's

1372
01:02:32,159 --> 01:02:36,239
only kind of important to dorks like me. But you know,

1373
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,000
he was not given much of a chance. It was

1374
01:02:38,039 --> 01:02:41,360
considered a pretty bad matchup. As it turned out, when

1375
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:45,880
the expectations in life, I guess, including in boxing, when

1376
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,039
they're very low and the event even remotely exceeds them,

1377
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:51,320
it turns out to be a good thing. And Shannon

1378
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,119
Briggs and Lenox Lewis. Considering how much people thought this

1379
01:02:54,239 --> 01:02:56,800
was going to be just a shit fight, turned out

1380
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:59,320
to be an exciting fight, a really good, highly entertaining,

1381
01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,920
far better than anybody gave me credit for. Now. Lennox

1382
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:04,559
totally dominated the fight, but Briggs hung in there. He

1383
01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:06,599
got dropped twice in the fourth round. He got dropped

1384
01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:08,480
again in the fifth round before the fight was stopped.

1385
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:11,840
But you know, it was a good, good old slug fest,

1386
01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,760
and Lennox got the victory. And that's how the lineage transferred.

1387
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,960
George Foremant to Shannon Briggs to Lenox Lewis. Now, for me,

1388
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:21,679
you got to keep in mind when this was taking place.

1389
01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:25,559
This is taking place in the March of nineteen ninety eight.

1390
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:29,360
I'm working as a general assignment reporter at the Presence

1391
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,440
On Bullet, the newspaper in Bingham to New York. And

1392
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:35,440
now I've been writing about this and about that. But

1393
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,199
now I'm on the double a Binghamton Mets beat. That

1394
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,000
was the number one beat you could have at the paper.

1395
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:43,960
That was our minor league affiliate of the New York Mets.

1396
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:47,320
So the boss sends me to Port Saint Lucie for

1397
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,320
two weeks to cover spring training, to do some features

1398
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,760
on the big league club, to get to know the team.

1399
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,519
I'm going to be spending the next several months with

1400
01:03:55,639 --> 01:03:59,400
to do features to prepare for our you know, the

1401
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,400
tab that we put out the big preview section leading

1402
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,039
up to the season. So I was down there for

1403
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:06,440
a while, and I'm staying at like a long term

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01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,800
hotel for two weeks, and I'm going to the ballpark

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every day, but that's Saturday night when I'm there, I

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01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:13,559
want to watch the fight and I'm in I'll never

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01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:16,079
forget this. I'm in a hotel TJ. When I tell you,

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01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:18,719
we must had fucking five hundred channels in that hotel room.

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I didn't have HBO though, there was no HBO in

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01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,440
the hotel, and I was like losing my fucking mind.

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01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:25,760
So I go to the ballpark and I was friendly

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01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,639
with some of the coaching staff and I was like, Hey,

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01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:30,039
you know they're they're staying in a different hotel that's

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01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:32,000
maybe like five minutes down the road from our I'm stay.

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01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:34,000
And I asked one of the coaches, I'm like, hey,

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01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,679
if you guys had HBO in your hotel, is that

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01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:38,199
as a matter of fact, Yeah, we do. Why do

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01:04:38,199 --> 01:04:40,480
you ask? Guys? Said, well, there's this HBO boxing event

1419
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:43,239
coming up Saturday night. I really want to watch. He's like, oh, yeah,

1420
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:44,360
well we get HBO in the hotel.

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01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:46,039
Speaker 1: He was like, all right, cool, who is this way

1422
01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:47,000
way way way way?

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01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 2: You're downplaying? Who's this from the Mets coaching staff that

1424
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,159
you're trying to mooch off of watching their HBO?

1425
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 3: No, no, no, it was one of the minor league coaches.

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01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,360
Speaker 1: The minor league coaches, not the Mets major league coaches. Okay.

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01:04:56,440 --> 01:04:58,199
Speaker 3: I was like I wanted to go to his room

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01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:59,719
or anything. I'm just like, I want to know if

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01:04:59,719 --> 01:05:02,119
the if the hotel had HBO, because maybe it'll be

1430
01:05:02,159 --> 01:05:03,960
on in the bar, maybe it'll be a place to

1431
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,159
watch it. Whatever. So having really no, I didn't know

1432
01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:09,000
anybody down in that area, I was like, there's no

1433
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:11,480
another place I could go. So I took it on

1434
01:05:11,559 --> 01:05:15,159
a chance, and I drove over to the Met's team hotel.

1435
01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:17,440
I know where they're staying, and so I ran. I

1436
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,599
saw like the one of the Valets, and I said,

1437
01:05:20,639 --> 01:05:22,760
I explained to him who I was, why I was there,

1438
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,280
what I was interested in I said, you guys, you know,

1439
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:26,960
is there any place to watch the fight? He goes,

1440
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,159
you know what, he goes, I'm a huge boxing fan.

1441
01:05:29,719 --> 01:05:30,239
Come with me.

1442
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: I remember this. I remember you saying this before.

1443
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,039
Speaker 3: So he takes me to like a conference room and

1444
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:38,280
he's like, I wanted to watch the fight. Also, he's like,

1445
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:39,880
and they walk into a conference woman, you know, oh

1446
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,440
you go to hotel that was at like TVs and

1447
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:43,840
when they have different different meetings and this and that.

1448
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:46,679
Speaker 2: So in the port they only understand in nineteen ninety eight,

1449
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:49,400
this would have been a TV on like a big

1450
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,320
think of like a refrigerator type rolling console thing that

1451
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:54,719
you roll in and out of exam that would have

1452
01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:58,719
a VCR probably below it to record something that's what

1453
01:05:58,760 --> 01:05:59,360
you're watching.

1454
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 1: Lewis eggs on.

1455
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 3: So he takes me into the conference room and he

1456
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,519
puts on the TV, puts on HBO and it's a

1457
01:06:05,519 --> 01:06:08,440
pretty big size TV. Again, it's it's a conference room

1458
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,320
where you'd have a business meeting or a luncheon or whatever.

1459
01:06:11,679 --> 01:06:13,559
And he's like, I'll be right and this is, you know,

1460
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:15,559
maybe ten minutes before the show is supposed to start.

1461
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,880
He's like, I'll be right back. Just sit tight, all right,

1462
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,519
So I'm hanging out. He comes back in uh, and

1463
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:25,960
and HBO was on and once't you know, we're able

1464
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,199
to watch the fight. Now. My recollection is, uh, when

1465
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:31,480
HBO showed the show. I'm almost I'm positive this when

1466
01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:34,320
HBO had that particular broadcast it. You know, most of

1467
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:36,119
the time EASHA would do these events, it was a

1468
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,039
it was a double header or a triple header. My

1469
01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:41,079
rec collection is this, They just showed the one fight

1470
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:43,639
that night, just the one live fight, which is Shannon

1471
01:06:43,639 --> 01:06:46,360
Briggs against Lennox Lewis. So it's not like we had

1472
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,239
to wait through another like, you know, a long period

1473
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,480
of time to get to the main event. And sure enough,

1474
01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:53,280
we watched the fight, the two of us, me and

1475
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,960
and Valet Man, you know, sitting in the in the

1476
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,239
in the conference room at this hotel where the the

1477
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,400
where the where the minor league mets are staying for

1478
01:07:00,440 --> 01:07:03,039
spring training. We watched the fight. Lenox gets rid of

1479
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:05,519
him in the fifth round. That's that, and I leave

1480
01:07:05,559 --> 01:07:06,880
it and go back to the hotel. But I was

1481
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,239
so desperate to watch the fight because there was no internet,

1482
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:13,719
there was no fucking that wasminine. So I gotta go

1483
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,159
find the fucking fight. So I went to a hotel to.

1484
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: Miss by you.

1485
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 2: That's a miss by you when checking into the hotel

1486
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:21,719
that you did not look on the marquee for the

1487
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,480
free HBO for breakfast.

1488
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 3: I didn't have a choice. This was my sports editor

1489
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:28,280
in Binghamon making my reservations. It was a nice hotel

1490
01:07:28,280 --> 01:07:30,440
where I was staying, and I had good accommodations and

1491
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:31,480
I was going to be there for two weeks.

1492
01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:34,559
Speaker 2: You gotta look back in that day for the free HBO.

1493
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,199
And in the South they would have like free air conditioning,

1494
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:39,400
free HBO air conditioning.

1495
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,559
Speaker 1: I remember on the marquee.

1496
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,960
Speaker 3: That reminds me of one time of talking to one

1497
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:48,639
of my old friends in the HBO PR department when

1498
01:07:48,679 --> 01:07:50,760
they would battle back and forth with Showtime and we're

1499
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:53,000
shooting the shit about something to the other, and he was

1500
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:55,519
like banging his chest about how much better HBO boxing

1501
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:58,199
was than Showtime. He goes, you know what, you drive

1502
01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,199
down any place in America, you passed by a hotel

1503
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:03,960
or a motel, and it doesn't fucking say free.

1504
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:09,239
Speaker 2: Show three Showtime rights, free HBO HBO exactly. But you

1505
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,119
like my line that in the South in the hotels

1506
01:08:11,159 --> 01:08:14,320
free air conditioning or air conditioning on the Marquee to

1507
01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,000
reply that the other hotels don't have air conditioning and

1508
01:08:17,039 --> 01:08:17,359
we do.

1509
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 1: All right.

1510
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,159
Speaker 2: Listen, we've been here a bit good stuff with Tim Zoo.

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01:08:22,199 --> 01:08:25,359
We've got the previews again that we've given you of

1512
01:08:26,199 --> 01:08:29,239
Zapada and Farmer in the Golden Boy main event, the

1513
01:08:29,359 --> 01:08:32,960
Championship doubleheader on Top Rank with Mayor and Ryan, followed

1514
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,479
by the Brian Norman first full world title defense on

1515
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:39,760
the Top Rank show in Las Vegas. Let's reconvene you

1516
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:42,159
and me and talk on the bet US Boxing Show

1517
01:08:42,199 --> 01:08:45,920
Friday at one Eastern time and handicap these here fights

1518
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:47,960
on YouTube and their platform sound.

1519
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:48,199
Speaker 1: Good to you.

1520
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:49,359
Speaker 3: That sounds good.

1521
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 2: There is Dan Rayfael. Happy anniversary, my friend. Thank you

1522
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:55,960
very much everybody that's listening. My god, Miss Rayfield is

1523
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,279
a saint. I'm merely TJ Reeves. The baseball season underway,

1524
01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:02,079
March madness. She'll know what kind of mood Rayphiel is in,

1525
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,720
depending on what happens with the Yankee and Duke basketball games.

1526
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,159
A Yankee baseball debut in the Duke basketball game. We'll

1527
01:09:09,159 --> 01:09:11,800
find out. In any event, we are good, thank you

1528
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,840
for being with us here on this latest edition of

1529
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:14,279
the Big Fight.

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