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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to That's Not Metal. We are

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your weekly rock, heavy metal, hardcore hard music podcast. We

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are coming at you every single Friday letting you know

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everything you should know that has been going on this week.

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It is a big week because it is the reviews show.

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We have left it for, you know, the very end

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of February, because there were just a couple of last

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things squeaking out there that we wanted to catch and

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make sure we're covered and h here. But we have

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got a really really strong array of reviews to hit

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you with. First, I initially joined My name is Paren Hairsh.

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I'm initially joined here by Mark s Anderson. Hello, Mark, Hi,

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my old chum, Hello, Hello, Hello you are here. Because

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before we get into all of these great album reviews

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that we've got to do, we also need to talk

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about last week on the hype Blast, I was talking

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about what just a crazy jam pat week of awesome

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live music. I had a wentzy high veers, I wentzy tribulation,

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YadA YadA. A couple of days after that, a tour

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for me happened that also, you were at a couple

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days later or before or whatever it was. We are

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talking about the Heathen Neverland Tour, which was a really

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cool name I was alluded to kind of thinking me

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as the Unto Lungs Tour, the or the Green Others.

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It's the Green lung and Unto Others combined tour that

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went around Europe in the UK last week. And Mark,

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you were at the Glasgow date? What venue was at

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any Glasgow for all the Glasgow heads out there, the garage,

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the garage, good stuff. I was at the Manchester date

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at the Ritz and so collectively we are going to

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talk about it because this for me was one of

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the kind of event tours of the year. I think

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I know that you were excited for this. I don't

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know how similarly you feel in that regard, but for me,

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it's like, you know, two bands, like real TNM bands

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right like two bands kind of in their prime right now,

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plus a really cool choice of opener. It was a

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really great package that was kind of it offered you

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diversity and simultaneously, you know, a coherence as a as

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a night out with a certain theme to it, and

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as it happened seeing this show. These are big dramatic

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words here, but I think I can you know argue

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what I mean by them. This tour was one that

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gave me faith in the future of heavy metal.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I I will say I was very excited most Like,

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obviously I like onto others a lot. They were in

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my Albums of the Year list, but Green Long just

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basically my new favorite band in the UK. So I

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was just chomping at the bit for this. And I

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have to say, because I wanted to see Satan City Ears.

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I got in like five minutes after doors and there

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was a lot of people. It was very busy already

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and like a massive line for merch so it really

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felt like, oh, there's something here. There's a lot of

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excitement for these bands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. It's two bands kind of at the top,

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you know, of the game right now, who both released

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their their debut albums in twenty nineteen, right like within

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the time that I've been doing this show. Both of

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them came out pretty close to each other. They've risen

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around the same times, and collectively they were now playing

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venues like these. You know, they did like two and

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a half thousand cap in London at the Forum. They

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sold out the Ritz here in Manchester, which is you know,

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whey five hundred two thousand and something like that, and

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it felt like you're saying, it felt busy, it felt

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like booming, and that many people coming out for bands

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you know, who are primarily based in just sort of

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an old school classic heavy metal tradition. They're not part

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of any particularly like tied to twenty five twenty twenty

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five trend or anything, but just like you know, just

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great heavy metal bands, and you know, Green Lung crowds particularly,

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the shirt because like they they must make a killing

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or merch, because the queue for the merch exactly what

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you're saying, was genuinely massive. But also everyone's wearing a

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shirt when they arrive anyway, so they must they must

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have some good things going on there. And then you

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others contingent as well, and I was just looking around

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at everyone, being like, fantastic work, everybody, you know, like

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this should happen way more often bands like these hit

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in this stage. I was excited also about the support

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band Satan Satyrs or Satyrs, not only because they fit

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in with the general kind of vibe of like kooky

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outsider art, spooky metal of this particular tour. But I

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have a long history with this band. I was quite

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amazed to see them turn up here when the tour

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was amounts, because they're the veteran band on the bill

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by it by a mile. They had, in fact, like

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you know, broken up by the time onto others in

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Green Lung were kind of hitting their strides, and they've

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just recently reformed again and put another album. But like,

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time and it was bloody nice to her to see

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him there as part of this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a I have sort of a history with

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them as well. I don't know if you remember, like

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eleven years ago when we first became pals, you made

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me a do metal playlist because I didn't like any

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doom metal, and you were like, check this stuff, I

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would see if you like any of it. In Satan

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citys were the only band I liked. I liked a

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Wizard and all those stupid guys, so that, like, I

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have a long history with them. I was very excited

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to see them and flipping hell, I loved it. Like

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from the second they take the stage, the fuzzed up,

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thick riffs, the swagger. This SE's like Hollywood glam, the streat.

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Speaker 2: Oozing with riz and like old school glam, you know

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what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm glad that I remember now the

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order of us seeing this, because you messaged me being like,

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holy shit, Satan Laters are awesome, and I was like,

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I'm glad because I hadn't seen them since like twenty

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seventeen or something, you know, since before they kind of

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went on hiatus, and it's nice to see them, you know,

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kind of again still picking up some steam because you know,

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their debut record while beyond belief it'll turn up on

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a ab Roulette or something at some point, I'm sure

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because I was obsessed with that record it came out,

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and I did make lots of people try and pay

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attention to it. Since then, they've just become this like

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a like a real like stooge esy take on like

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kind of psych rock and like old doom and stuff.

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grindhouse rock and roll mania about them. So that was

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nice to say. I hope some people, you know, caught

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them and enjoyed them unto others. I think in Europe

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this was billed as a co headline tour. In my

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heart it was a co headline tour because you know,

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it was when you look at the package, it's the

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that made it an exciting tour. It wasn't one overshadow

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in the other. And if you look at like the

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set lists online, the mainland European dates unto others had

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like a good like six more songs in the set

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green Lung maybe slightly short set, and you know whether

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that's a mix of you know, unto others being slightly

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more popular in Europe than here, or Green Lung obviously

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having like the big homeland advantage, which you know, fair enough.

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because of course I want to see some more unto

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other songs and it's wild some of the stuff I

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had to cut out here, like no, when will God's

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: No nightfall they were doing? Why at some of the

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other dates, which is one of my favorites. I don't

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know if they've actually played in the UK. Yeah, I

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was really wanting to see Sailing in the Darkness from

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the Strengths I'd Be, which they were doing at some

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of the early dates, and that whole kind of you

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you know, a single solemn Rose and Summer Lightning both

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like arguably top five unto other songs and aren't to

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be found anywhere. I think before the Green Lung tour

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a headline show there and if you're an unto Others fan,

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go look up that set list, because it's like twenty

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two songs, it's it's beautiful. There's a whole ass encore

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with on the Green Lung run. And seeing as their

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for Never Never Land here in the UK at some point,

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but even still an hour of unto Others as part

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of this you know package that is filling this venue

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crowd here was mainly a Green Lung crowd, but there

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was the sort of the cult of unto others among it,

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which is very real, and the contingent there who were

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super enthusiastic made it so fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like you say, it was mostly a

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you know, smatterings of people you'd see like fists in

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the air, and you can tell, oh, those people know

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the songs, much like like when I used to see

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Creeper support bands back in the day and you just

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obviously all the Never Never Land songs, but this was

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Speaker 1: And to Os, So what do you think I've wanged

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in like a great way because is a Gabe the frontman,

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He's just so stoic, He's so Gothic. He's like Glenn Danzig,

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you know. And then Sebatian the guitar player, has so

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much hair metal energy.

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Speaker 1: He's a wonderful part of their their presence.

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Speaker 2: He has like this long flowing like duster jacket and

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twirling around and doing moves I can only describe as

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like the guitar place guitar player from Poison and coming

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from me, that's a compliment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, obviously incredible surf, and they also

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on the bass for a particular tour and I wanted

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Speaker 4: To be like a goth. Please release a new album,

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come to the UK.

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Speaker 1: Again, anything, because I'm still excited after we were talking

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about the Reverend King recently. But as soon as that,

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you know, open with Butterfly, but then as soon as

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the drum fill kicked in for Mama likes the door

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close just like coming after that. I love particularly, I

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love the intensity of unto others when they go into

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stuff like that. Particularly Heroin is always like genuinely heavy

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and extreme, like beyond a lot of actual extreme metal,

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because it just feels ferocious, like there's none of that

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kind of sanitized precision about when they do a song

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like that, The hollering that Gabe brings out in his

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voice when he's doing I Swear God like always, it's

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like actually scary life, and there is like a legitimate,

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unhinged mania that you don't really see particularly coin of

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the really oppressive red lighting and stuff they have for that.

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You Feel the Rain. There's where we're talking about the

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cult of unto weathers. I love looking around at the

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people around you who are going to do the who

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in the right places on songs like that. Imagine having

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can You Feel the Rain on your first ep? You

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know what I mean? Suicide Today was probably the popper

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of the night to me, like that song every time

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it popped into that chorus run but who.

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Speaker 3: Clean up the brains?

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Speaker 1: That splatter like staggering level of hip power.

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in a much larger venue moment. You know, that song

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is an absolute like keeper. I fucking love it. Obviously

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the highlight for me. They played a Ramone song.

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Speaker 1: You say, you're a ramonesman, so you must have had

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a nice boogie for a pet Cemeterian.

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a possible and as soon as I started, it was like, oh, yeah,

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this is the best moment of my life.

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again like a mainly Green Lung crowd, because you know,

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it's like here's one that you know, you know. I

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was chuffed that we've got Time goes On because that's

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one of my favorites from from never Neverland. Every time

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I see this band, it's just like me and you know,

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my friends and the people where I swear, like over

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the last few years, I've had more listeners come up

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and talk to me at Unto Others shows than any

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other band, you know, like that, Like I say, the

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cult of Unto Others is is real. As I say

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in my heart, it was a co headline, but in

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terms of the actual headline from from Green Lung Mark,

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I know that you're like a really big fan from

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at least Black Harvest, but this was your first time

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seeing them. I have seen Green Lung three times within

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the last twelve months. There was the first UK headline

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tour for This Heathen Land and when they played the

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Arts Club in Liverpool's in the venue where I saw

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High Viz last week, and that was a moment of

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like cool, like you know, I'm in on this band.

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Now they've got a bunch of great songs. Now they've

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got something cooking. Then I saw them on the main

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stage of Bloodstock, where they played about kind of like

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twelve or one o'clock or something like, you know, early,

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but clearly drew a lot more people to that slot

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than it usually would get in a moment that sort

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of received historically for the likes of Power Trip and

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so one who have done that kind of thing. This then,

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you know, coming on the other side of that, this

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was the most I have kind of been convinced that,

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oh shit, like this is happening with Greenland.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to correct you. I've seen them once,

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Speaker 1: Great so the first time as a fan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw them supporting Puppy in twenty nineteen, and

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the days it's very surreal thinking that this is the

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same band conquering a venue as big as the garage

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who I saw like in the upstairs of the garage,

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in the tiny attic.

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Speaker 1: Venue, basically a different band. Then by this point, surely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, completely different.

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Speaker 2: I I mean, I guess I shouldn't be surprised, but

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the sort of shawmanship this band have is unreal, and

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like the willingness the crowd has to go with it.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Those some of the biggest sing alongs I've heard in

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a venue that small.

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you have seen Green Long in the last couple of years,

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it what you're you're kind of you know from them,

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so you know, big head at the back of that

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kind of thing, but like blown up to a larger

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level of I always feel like you know something's big

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when they've got a tiered staircase, you know, with like

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you know, the keyboardist at the back going crazy playing

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is duel keys at the same time, you know Opeth

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deep purple style and you know Tom are able to

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kind of walk up and down them as he pleases.

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It just gives that sort of appearance of depth, you know,

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to something that helps. And they opened early stuff heavy

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actually at the beginning, wasn't it. Like I mean, I

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am of the opinion that woodland rights and black harvest

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are good even at times very good to eight records,

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but this Heathen Land is noticeably a step forward, particularly

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in the realms of like chorus delivery, not even just

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the strength of the chorus melodies, but like delivery of

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them on the record in terms of, you know, thicker production,

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more powerful vocal presence, et cetera. But those older songs

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live when you get to them. People like so passionately

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know the words to those ones as well. So like

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you know, like in my mind, the Forest Church and

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Maxine Witch Queen whatever, like those are the standouts, and

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they would go like quite long stretches, like three four

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songs stretches without touching one of those. But you know, Leads,

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the Blind, Templar, Dawn Woodland Rights, which they open with

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those choruses around me from like you know, the Long

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Time Faithful were loud.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I because the venue was so packed. I ended

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up sort of congregating near the back, and even there,

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like people even at the back at like the bar

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knew all the words that these songs. It was like

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so exciting and just watching I don't know the sort

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of the stage presence this the vocalist has, he's like

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playing it like he's playing in the arena to use

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that cliche, like all the air grabs, all the like

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throwing the horns to individual people. It's just like that's

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a rock star in the making.

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Speaker 1: I mean he's just having fun. I mean he's doing that.

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What is it like, you know, the kind of forest dwelling,

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mushroom beating, that whole thing that they do at every

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show now. Yeah, because when they open with Woodland Rights,

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you know, that's a record that I have listened to

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quite a lot less than you know, this Heathen Land

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by it by this point, and that's kind of reminded myself.

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I was like, yeah, which, which song is this again?

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But everyone around me was like, yeah it was. Which

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was you know, really cool to see. They had a

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section around where, you know, they have for the past

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you know, kind of year, been doing this thing with

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song and the Stones where they kind of get these

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drums out and stuff and do this sort of, you know,

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very chill version of that song. But they're sort of

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extended it here because like half of the band disappeared,

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Like normally it's like the bassist or whatever who's been

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you know, doing the drums, and they had this kind

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of trio of women with like strings and stuff coming

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out for what ended up being a sort of like

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a mid section of about two three songs of like sort

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of these slow folky ballady type songs accompanied by these

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you know, string sections and whatnot. I thought the highlight

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of that bit was, like, you know, Song of Stones

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is always good, but a may Queen from the first

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record when it went all kind of like bluesy sort

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of you know loungees swing for a bit and with

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that sort of setup sounded really great. That middle bit.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of commitment to the bit in a way

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that really suits them. It suits their vibe, it suits

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their whole like the woodland thing they're going for, and

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again the crowd good for it, Like it's I don't know,

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maybe they just have rez like is the type of

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thing on paper. If I heard another band was doing that,

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I'd be like, okay, maybe not lads, but their energy

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is there for Green long they can do. They're a

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little like you know, chanting Circle hour and.

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Speaker 4: It still works.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then they got it was like Hunters in

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the Sky and I appreciate it, be like this is

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something about hunting aristocrats because you remember, green lungs are

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actually pretty cool and I mean hearing again the amount

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of people around me or trying to go for.

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Speaker 4: The you have a pretty helperd note.

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Speaker 1: That was a big laugh. I mean, speaking again of

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the older songs, you do look back and you go, yeah,

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they have like they've always had this potential to kind

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of go kind of massive, because like let the Devil

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In is so fantastic life like in that sort of

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end stretch that they do of songs now, that song

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is really like a kind of anthem for them, and

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I do love that their established closer now is seems

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to just be One for Sorrow, which I will always

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sing loud for. And it's a song with you know,

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like a merciless doom cathedral riff, like it's so heavy.

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There was a wall of death for the fucking Breakdown,

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which which I always forgetting there. And it's still like,

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you know, it's based in deep purple and Sabbath and

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the stuff. But that was like, Okay, this is the

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march moment.

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Speaker 2: God, that's got to be a great sign like One

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for Sorrow. It always it's so like I always forget

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how moving it is. It just yeah, stirs something up

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in you. It's like like the Sentinel. You know, it's

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just one of those epic heavy metal songs that does

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something to me, and we gossip Forest Church and Maxine

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come on, oh yeah fuck.

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Speaker 1: Mega jamsa the last Forest Church chorus when it kind

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of you know, had that little moment again, big crowd response,

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and I think, you know, they're definitely gonna play bigger

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venues in this, Like I'm I'm not gonna be the

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guy who comes out of this and goes they're gonna

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headline Bloodstock and then Download and then fucking tea in

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the park, like because you just you kind of cheapen

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every nice thing you say bye by bowing it all

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early like that. But they're definitely going to play bigger

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than the Kentish Town Forum where they played in London.

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Speaker 2: Man, Yeah, they sold the garage awfully quick and like

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I say, it was sold out sold though it was

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jam packed. I mean when I exited the gig, I

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was a bit like, oh what next to the Barrelans,

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Like I just believe soulfully in this band, Like the

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records are great and the live show just is even

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more convincing, Like this is one of the most exciting

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bands we have right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, next stop is to get unto others into the

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same headlining you know, these venues. But if we can

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just keep lifting all of those bands up, you know,

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another kind of peg or two, then we will be

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seeing some some very good things now. As if by magic,

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Mark has de materialized and in his place is Elliot,

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Paisley and Sam Dignon. Hello, we are gonna do the

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reviews for the rest of this episode. The albums that

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we have got on the ducket today come from kill Switch, Engage,

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Bleeding through Dream Theater. We're known a Fighter, piss Grave, Vacuous,

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and Grab. But we have a little bit of news

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to get onto before that. But hello, Sam Elliott. I

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have been having quite a lot of fun with a

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good amount of the records that we've got to be

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talking about today. I imagine there are highs and lows,

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but you know, we got some excitement in the house.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I was about to say there have been

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soaring highs and bottomless like crushing lows on this week.

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Like is a roller coaster of emotions for me this bunch,

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but I'm excited to chat about it either way.

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Speaker 6: There is one album that I think is kind of

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future and disgusting, and there's also the piss Grave album.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so we'll get onto all of that. As said,

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a little bit of news beforehand, not too much. First off,

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Corby Taylor and bad Omens have released a cover of

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Kansas for some reason, the song dust in the Winds

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and not even the cans of song that you would

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immediately think of. The reason I mentioned this because Sam,

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this is for a wrestling thing, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So when I think of like tralblazing female wrestlers

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who like change the industry in the nineteen thirties, I

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think of Corey Taylor and bad Omens covering Kansas we do,

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and doing it in the worst kind of serious video

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game trailer music style cover rubbish, Like.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't even sound like bad Omens. This is what

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I don't understand. It's like Corey Taylor, fair enough, like

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that's quite a distinct voice. Bad Omens do have a

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distinct sound, but you it might as well be a

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sort of musaic version or like a sort of disturbed

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sound of silence rendition, which it's and Kansas sort of

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all things like that does not the idea of like

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bad Omens covering Kansas in the first place even in

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like the best of all possible worlds is not a

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great idea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I add no responses to this at all. Really,

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I just like being not a hardcore wrestling guy. I

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wondered how I don't know of what signific because this release.

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Speaker 4: Is like about a woman who changed the industry.

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Speaker 5: I'm exactly the movie, but I just, yeah, what context

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this song has for it?

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Speaker 1: Just yeah, there you go. Dying Wish have also released

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a new single. Theirs is a currently a standalone track.

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It's called I Brought You My Soul Your World Brought

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Me Despair. As said, they've stated that this is to

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be currently a standalone track. They've also said that it's

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kind of I don't know, maybe just flexing the muscles

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a little bit between albums, seeing what kind of you know,

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where the winds take them. Dying Wish, I think, you know,

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while I think we all to some degree kind of

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you know, liking respect Dying Wish, we're not looking for

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the craziest creative pivots maybe from about like Dying Wish,

477
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,240
but for like a two and a half song or something,

478
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,039
I did like feel like this it kind of ticked

479
00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:48,440
a lot of boxers of what I imagine Dying Wish to

480
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,720
be like. It starts with like an almost a sugar

481
00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:52,519
type groove, and then it's got you know, one of

482
00:23:52,519 --> 00:23:54,400
their kind of cleaner choruses, and then at the end

483
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,400
it's got a borderline Dying Feet is beat down. So

484
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:58,799
I mean all the boxes ticked really as far as

485
00:23:58,799 --> 00:23:59,519
I can said.

486
00:24:00,039 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I love everything about this shocker, you know, like

487
00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:06,359
metal core, Like, like I love that they've kind of

488
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,720
up the kill switch engagey big chorus call with that

489
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,759
that be down at the end made me chuckle at

490
00:24:11,799 --> 00:24:14,079
like legitimately how hard it goes. I was like, of

491
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:15,839
course you've wrote one of your bigger choruses and then

492
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,079
you have just thrown in one of your like nastiest

493
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,119
sort of like scuzzies beat downs at the end. Yeah,

494
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,359
I think this is great and I'm excited sort of

495
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:23,400
where danguish go.

496
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,079
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, like you say, it's not the most

497
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,119
radical change. We're already looking for them for that, but

498
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,519
it's is kind of box sticky, but in the sense

499
00:24:31,559 --> 00:24:34,279
what I like everything that's on the list, So that's fine,

500
00:24:34,519 --> 00:24:36,799
like just another tasty slaber sort of naughties metal core,

501
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,920
which is kind of hard to complain about when it's

502
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:39,279
done well.

503
00:24:39,759 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, live music announcements that have come our way this

504
00:24:42,559 --> 00:24:45,400
week over in America. I know everyone's been talking about it.

505
00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:48,000
Louder than Life, the one that announced the bit the

506
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,839
big line up them, Yeah, I kind of. I find

507
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,759
it very difficult my agular English mind to tell these

508
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:55,400
festivals apart but that one's there. But I guess it did,

509
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,720
you know, kind of jump out of grass and headlines

510
00:24:57,759 --> 00:25:01,759
that there is a big core touring bill going around

511
00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:06,960
North America, the Summer of Loud Tour, which is not

512
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,279
even including the various kind of guests at different dates

513
00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:12,720
of the tour, which include the Anti Affliction, the devil

514
00:25:12,759 --> 00:25:16,359
Worth prior Alpha Wolf. But the fours you know kind

515
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:17,799
of key bands who are going around a part of

516
00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:21,319
it are Bear Tooth, I Prevail, Kill Switch, Engage, and

517
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,160
Parkway Drive, which is an amazing like both halves of

518
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,799
what's great and shit about current metal core, isn't it?

519
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,599
Speaker 5: I wish I could say it isn't like halves, but

520
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,119
you know, with where Bear Tooth currently are at, yeah,

521
00:25:34,279 --> 00:25:34,880
it is.

522
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 4: Half It's enough like I no, no, I'm not gonna argue.

523
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,279
Speaker 5: I wish I could argue, yeah, you know current like

524
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,519
current albums and all that.

525
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, it's fifty to fifty years.

526
00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:47,559
Speaker 5: Like if you had the you know, kils and Parkway

527
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:49,319
on first, you'd have a lovely time and get an

528
00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:49,799
early night.

529
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 6: I mean, it's like if the Big Four was Metallica,

530
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:59,240
Megadeth and and Ville and Saxon.

531
00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:03,599
Speaker 1: Oh no, that would be a higher ratio than that.

532
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 3: Sounds quite good.

533
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd go to that. But yeah, I mean there

534
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:10,240
was a bit of conversation about the way they're arranged

535
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:13,519
on the poster. We I think we're going to give

536
00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:15,680
it the benefit of the doubt of being alphabetical order.

537
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,559
Speaker 5: I think every band has actually posted their version and

538
00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:20,799
their top on the so I think it is a

539
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:22,160
four way rotating headline.

540
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,759
Speaker 1: But it is just unfortunate luck that Bear Tooth and

541
00:26:24,799 --> 00:26:27,240
I Prevail come first in the alphabet then, because it

542
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,119
does on the main poster look like they are above

543
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,440
kill switching Parkway Drive and you go, what is going

544
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:34,839
on over there? But you know, big huge metal court

545
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,720
talk going around the US this summer. Over here in

546
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:42,680
the UK, we had the news today that subheadlining to

547
00:26:42,759 --> 00:26:46,160
bring you the horizon this year's Reading and Leeds Festival,

548
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,640
which I keep forgetting, is you know, like an event

549
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:50,759
that's happened that brings Horizon headlining Ready and Leads. But

550
00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:52,599
I guess you know, yeah, I'll watch it when it

551
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,519
goes out or whatever. But subheadlin into that if you

552
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:57,920
are going along and you want a big stupid mettle day,

553
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,480
it's only Limp Biscuit who are doing it, which I

554
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:02,160
mean it's a bit of a party.

555
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,799
Speaker 5: I think it's literally going Shaikhari Biscuit, bring me as right,

556
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,599
and if it's how they do it normally. Now with

557
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,920
the all take stage, is there literally might be those

558
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,000
three bands about breaking.

559
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it might well be, but that there

560
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:15,680
is on the poster sandwiched in between those bands poor

561
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,799
Becky Hill for some but you know, Shikari Becky Hill

562
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:23,799
didn't Biscuit bring the Horizon. Even still, it's pretty it's

563
00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:24,240
a day out.

564
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm honestly kind of tempted looking at you know,

565
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,359
a run of Shaikhari, Biscuit and.

566
00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: Bring was the last time I get paid?

567
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 5: Leeds Reading and Leads haven't done it, I think twenty fifteen.

568
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,440
I think it was like it for a while And

569
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,039
again this is just what we're saying about, you know,

570
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,640
Naughty's new metal bands playing their big outdoor show to

571
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,039
just whill themselves into being like we're you know, at

572
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:49,559
the top of a bill now, because last week last

573
00:27:49,599 --> 00:27:51,920
night I played, they were like sub headline on the

574
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,279
second stage, like the enemy tent at Reading.

575
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,839
Speaker 4: So they've come back and gone.

576
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,799
Speaker 5: Like, no, we're we're just below bringing the horizon now

577
00:27:59,039 --> 00:27:59,519
right at the top.

578
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 6: So yeah, I think I'm going to go because Reading

579
00:28:02,759 --> 00:28:05,319
is like the town over me, and I'd like to

580
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:08,160
see the run of limp Biscuit and then might even

581
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,480
just go for that and then catch the train back

582
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:11,359
home in bed for ten thirty.

583
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:11,799
Speaker 3: Why not.

584
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,039
Speaker 6: It's it's just mad that like Reading is, at least

585
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:18,640
in the years sort of recently, was so far away

586
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,039
from a rock festival.

587
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: And then that, yeah, that little run there, so that

588
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,680
would fit perfectly well at download MM people will be.

589
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 4: Raving about that if that was like a download sort

590
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:27,839
top three.

591
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,599
Speaker 1: I mean limb Biscuit as a you know, in to

592
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,079
Bring Me is a very like, uh, I don't know,

593
00:28:33,519 --> 00:28:35,160
for bring Me, It's feel very obviously there a completely

594
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,720
different generations because bring Me tap into that kind of

595
00:28:38,119 --> 00:28:40,839
nostalgia market. To some degree, it feels like a very

596
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,960
like you know, I bet bring me a stoked that, like, yeah,

597
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:44,720
limbs get into us is going to be like, you know,

598
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,880
the kind of we're going to bring the party to that.

599
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000
So yeah, that's I guess a pretty pretty fun time. Now,

600
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:54,759
this is interesting. Slayer have posted a little teaser of

601
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:57,359
you know, the Slayer, you know, robbed from the fucking

602
00:28:57,359 --> 00:29:01,880
third Reich Eagle. We're two flags on it, not that flag,

603
00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:07,000
two flags on it. One is an English flag, the

604
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:10,400
other is a Welsh flag. Shout out you know which

605
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,920
other our listeners it was who said, this is a

606
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,319
very funny way of saying, you're not playing Glasgow, but

607
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:19,640
Slayer are teasing UK shows. We know Slayer have one

608
00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:23,279
UK show announced because they're at the Big Black Sabbath Extravaganza,

609
00:29:23,519 --> 00:29:25,799
but this teaser, and specifically the fact that there is

610
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:28,000
also then a Welsh flag next to the English one,

611
00:29:28,359 --> 00:29:33,519
suggests some more dates. Now, as far as I'm aware,

612
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:35,720
the only dates that Slayer have announced over in North America.

613
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:37,000
There's been quite a few at this stage, but they've

614
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:41,880
all been attached to big festivals, right. I don't think

615
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,799
Slayer are going to suddenly turn up a download at

616
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:47,119
this stage with what they've kind of you know, laid

617
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:51,240
out obviously, you know, bloodstock, whatever is accounted for. If

618
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:53,920
they are going to add more dates alongside the Black

619
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,359
Sabbath thing, which is what this suggests, I guess we're

620
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,720
looking at maybe like a big out or in a

621
00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,599
fucking you know, the Welsh Castle, but funeral for a

622
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:05,960
friend play or like whatever, something like that.

623
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 5: I would guess that, and like O to Arena or

624
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,319
or you know, like the sort of Gundry Park thing

625
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,400
or something like that, like one of those like yeah,

626
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,839
which if if they know Gundry Park, I'll go because that's,

627
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,839
like that said, that's a twenty minute walk for me.

628
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:20,119
Speaker 4: Yeah.

629
00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:22,759
Speaker 1: I mean I hadn't anticipated this because the the US

630
00:30:22,839 --> 00:30:25,400
thing had been so explicitly tied to festivals, and I

631
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,559
know that, yeah, they have said that, you know, they're

632
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:30,079
only going to be doing basically like one off dates

633
00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:32,039
and stuff. But if they are now actually doing their

634
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:34,839
own one off dates rather than again attached to a

635
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:38,079
larger festival thing, I hadn't considered this, and I certainly

636
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:41,440
hadn't considered it here in the UK because I think

637
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:43,599
again obviously we'll have to see what they actually announced.

638
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:45,440
But you know I said before when the Slayer union happened,

639
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,359
I was like, I don't think even though they're like

640
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,119
arguably the best mental band of all time, I don't

641
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:53,400
think that I would like feel the intense need to

642
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,920
buy let's say, like a download ticket just to go

643
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,960
and see Slayer, right, because I've had my Slayer goodbye,

644
00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,759
yeah and so on. But a Slayer one off headline

645
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:06,200
date somewhere again. I hadn't anticipated this, and now I'm like, hmm,

646
00:31:07,119 --> 00:31:07,559
could it be.

647
00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 4: I mean, if they're playing London, I'm going to try

648
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,319
and get a ticket. I didn't. I never saw them

649
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:12,119
on that Farewell run.

650
00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:13,559
Speaker 5: I've only have ever seen them once before on the

651
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:17,240
headline Bloodstock in twenty thirteen. So I'm like, yeah, I'll

652
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,119
pay for the mosy Slayer again just to sort of

653
00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:21,319
like catch them again because I'm sure they'll have a

654
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:21,759
good deal.

655
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:22,759
Speaker 4: They do some of that.

656
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 5: But yeah, curious and excited and interested, but I'm sort

657
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,519
of wait and see what it turns out to be.

658
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:28,119
Speaker 1: A guess.

659
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's just funny this whole lot, because when they

660
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,920
came back, it was it's it's three shows, and that's it.

661
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,680
We're doing three and then we're gone again four.

662
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 3: Then that really is that that's only because of that,

663
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:39,759
it's only going to be and now it's like.

664
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: And then the well shast us really nicely if we

665
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:42,599
come and play.

666
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:44,960
Speaker 3: And now we're going to support the Blackout.

667
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:51,279
Speaker 1: Slayer to start the party in twenty twenty five. Lovely stuff.

668
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,559
Although starting some parties will be Biffy Cairo, who have

669
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:58,279
announced I think a first ever Cornish date, apparently doing

670
00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:01,200
the the Eden Sessions. The Eden it Now. I was

671
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,799
not a Biffy Clio fan at all really when I

672
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:05,359
lived in Cornwall, so I wouldn't have met much to

673
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:07,079
me if they've done it back then, but I do

674
00:32:07,359 --> 00:32:09,319
consistently look at the Eden Sessions and go, man, where

675
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:12,039
were you when I was a teenager? But if you are,

676
00:32:12,079 --> 00:32:14,240
you know, down in those those dead dead ends, then

677
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,400
Biffy Claro are coming your way on July the tenth,

678
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,599
and No Over Twins are there as the support as well.

679
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,240
Disturbed have announced their twenty fifth anniversary tour for The

680
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:29,039
Sickness is going to be coming around the UK and Europe.

681
00:32:29,039 --> 00:32:31,960
They're going to be doing obviously big, big Arenas. They're

682
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,960
doing the two Arena and Megadeath are supporting them, and

683
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:38,960
it's an unreal tour when Megadeth have the moral high

684
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,480
ground and are the band I would feel less shitty

685
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,599
about going to see but they manage it.

686
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 4: Yeah awful.

687
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 5: So like me, you know are my feelings on Megadeth

688
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:54,200
in twenty twenty five. I look at this is going

689
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:57,440
to go like who wants to I'm and the problem

690
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,000
is it will sell well because they the two thousands.

691
00:33:00,119 --> 00:33:01,400
Nostalgia's at a record hard.

692
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:03,519
Speaker 1: It's annoyed me because I would like to go see Megadeth,

693
00:33:03,519 --> 00:33:05,880
but I don't want to see him supporting Disturbed, you know.

694
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:09,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, look on the bright side, they'll get to

695
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:11,519
play their super Collider song together.

696
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,279
Speaker 1: Now that has unearthed the memory that I again I

697
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:17,759
was not was not considering. I mean, at least it's

698
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:19,759
a good conversation for Megadeth not being on the Black

699
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,519
Sabbath Extravaganza. Right, they get to play with the star

700
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:29,240
of it, David Draymond. Arenas around the UK probably nicer people.

701
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,599
Pupil Slicer and l ll n N have announced a

702
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,400
UK co headline tour. You know, obviously not playing the

703
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:37,920
O two but playing some you know, some some some

704
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,839
cool venues up and down the country in the underworld

705
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,960
in London, Rebellion in Manchester that is happening in I

706
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,839
believe those dates say November. So I think people slices

707
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:51,799
are probably should have an album. I guess at some point, you.

708
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 4: Know, hope, hopefully some new material to the very least.

709
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,599
Speaker 1: Yet Yeah, I feel like they've they've been quiet for

710
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,160
maybe like six to twelve months at this point, and

711
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,839
I guess it's because they've probably been doing something. But

712
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:03,039
you know, people's slice of activity in you know, is

713
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,319
a foot and I imagine that might lead to something

714
00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:09,920
else and dropping something else in quite stylish fashion. There

715
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,400
was a story that has rocked you know, certain areas

716
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,239
of the kind of alternative music world this past week

717
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,760
because the Mars Vaulta have been out playing shows and

718
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,480
they did one where they just went out and played

719
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,960
the entirety of an unreleased album. Just which would you,

720
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:30,079
I mean, I don't know to the Mars Bottle personally,

721
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,760
to me mean like almost nothing, Like they're not a

722
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,760
band who have a particular you know, spot in my

723
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,800
listening at all. But I know there are like you know,

724
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,760
obviously really hardcore fans out there, but either for the

725
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,079
Mars Vault or just like any band that you are

726
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:44,719
like a fan of, how do you feel if you

727
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,480
went to see a band and they played not just

728
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,119
like oh, here's a new song or whatever, but an

729
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,440
entire unreleased with the Mars Vaulter, You've got to imagine

730
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,639
that's a fucking hour or something of material record. Like

731
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,880
would you be I guess it depends on how good

732
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,440
it'd be, obviously, but like, how would you feel?

733
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, this this would not appeal to me, Like I've

734
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,840
kind of gradually come around to the Mars well because

735
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,239
I love out the drive in and the Mars were

736
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:09,840
always kind of like when I was like I should

737
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:11,960
probably you know, try at some point, and some of

738
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,239
those sort of earlier records I quite like. I know

739
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:15,920
that some of the later records are kind of seen

740
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,559
now as quite ponderous and boring.

741
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 4: So if this.

742
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 5: Is like latter day Mars Volta, where it is, you know,

743
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,760
a bit tedious having an entire and released down with

744
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:24,239
it played that.

745
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 4: You live, I would just be like, oh, this hospital.

746
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 5: But again I would say that about a lot of bands, like,

747
00:35:29,039 --> 00:35:31,840
you know, I'd go see if the Menzingers and they

748
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,760
decided to play an unreleased album live. But like, what's

749
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,320
the point, you know, because I like, I'm from the Men.

750
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 4: I want to lose my voice? Yeah, how I'm gonna

751
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:39,599
lose my voice to songs I've never heard.

752
00:35:39,599 --> 00:35:41,079
Speaker 1: But I guess it's worth pointing out here is that

753
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:42,920
I think I'm right in saying that the Mars Wet

754
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,800
have not released a new album in quite a long time. Right,

755
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,639
So this is two years ago? Did they fucking know.

756
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 4: It was before that?

757
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,679
Speaker 1: Okay? I had completely blank through my mind that the

758
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:56,480
Mars well I had in fact reunited release the album.

759
00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:59,679
That shows how invested I have been. But if we

760
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,519
ignore that for a moment, they've not released a ton

761
00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:05,000
of new material in the last ten years, nor the material,

762
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:09,559
this actually makes it less exciting. I thought people were

763
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:11,079
freaking out because they were like, oh my god, Mars

764
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,559
have released their first, you know, new album in ten years,

765
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,679
but they've not even done that. Okay, this is rubbish.

766
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:21,000
Then we're moving on. They're gonna bookend the news actually

767
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:25,599
with WWE, apparently because there is the WWE two K

768
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,559
twenty five video game, which has a big old metal

769
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:34,519
and hardcore laced soundtrack architects are on there with Curse.

770
00:36:34,559 --> 00:36:36,440
Gadjira are on there with Only Pain, which is like

771
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,199
a ten year old song at this point, but you

772
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:41,039
know it bangs, so fair enough. Baby metal and electric

773
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:44,679
core boys, Ratata, spirit Box are on their joviahl Anson

774
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,039
bray pack a Punch is on there, not Loose and

775
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:48,960
Poppy Suffocate.

776
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:50,159
Speaker 4: Poppy had to be on there.

777
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:52,039
Speaker 5: She's the queen of wrestle metal now she is like

778
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:53,920
ww's favorite artist exactly.

779
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 1: There you go and Sam again. I WWE video games,

780
00:37:00,519 --> 00:37:05,039
I imagine probably has a fairly sizeable demographic of people

781
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:05,719
who are into it.

782
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, no that they they the w video games. They

783
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:12,079
sell like big to that audience every year.

784
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:13,559
Speaker 1: So it mean a while since they've done one like

785
00:37:13,559 --> 00:37:15,000
this with a bere very metally soundtrack.

786
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 5: Well so normally they have like an artist curate the soundtrack.

787
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:20,480
So I think they had like Machine Gun Kelly do

788
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:22,079
one a couple of years ago and it was like

789
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:24,639
there was some rock on that, but you know it

790
00:37:24,679 --> 00:37:26,480
was rock was picked by Machine Gun Kelly.

791
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: So who Yeah, nice to see a bunch of I

792
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,719
guess you know what. You traditionally kind of imagined to

793
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,920
be like contemporary wrestle metal arriving on that particular soundtrack.

794
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:37,719
So yeah, quick little dose of news there for us.

795
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,400
The main thing we have got to talk about today

796
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:42,920
is of course our album reviews. First of all, we

797
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,599
should just do a little mention of the stuff that's

798
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:47,800
been going on over on the Atcenttle Patreon this, I

799
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:49,920
guess you know. This month we've been pretty busy, pretty

800
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:55,320
productive because Sam, last week we struck while the iron

801
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,760
is hot when it came to the Tiernan does horror

802
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,719
series that we do. Because beginning of February we were

803
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,320
talking all about the Nostra Ratu films. We had a

804
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:09,360
full you know, vampire extravaganza, and then last week we

805
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,599
as said, we dove right back into a similar pool.

806
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:16,920
We spoke all about the Wolfman films, inspired by the

807
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,599
release of the new quite long awaited Blumhouse Leewenell Wolfman.

808
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:24,960
Compared to the Nostratu thing, I said this on the show.

809
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:27,360
We were not receiving requests to do the Wolfman in

810
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:32,000
the same way because nobody saw the new Wolfman, but

811
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,800
I wanted to do a similar kind of history basically

812
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,119
that we did use the excuse to talk about something

813
00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:41,519
that we otherwise may not have had the US need

814
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:43,000
to do. We haven't had yet which to talk about

815
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,119
like the universal monsters from the thirties and forties. And

816
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:48,840
then you know, we did speak about maybe what went

817
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,320
wrong with the new kind of Wolfman. But I would

818
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,599
particularly say, if there are any Wolfman twenty ten heads

819
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,880
out there, there are dozens of us. It was a

820
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,039
really great time getting to you know, to chart that

821
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:02,440
Wolfish history for a while.

822
00:39:03,159 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 4: Yeah.

823
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,119
Speaker 5: I mean, for me, the thing with this was, you know,

824
00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:07,440
getting the kind of like tap like tap into the

825
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,800
universals or classic monster movies that that was really fine,

826
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,119
and actually to discover that the Twin Tin Wolfman wasn't

827
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:17,800
the disastrous kind of like like terrible movie that I've

828
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,519
been led to believe for all these years. But I've

829
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:21,679
just been you know in a nice little gothic horror

830
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,320
bubble recently, and it's all I kind of want to

831
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,559
watch right now, So like.

832
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: Been nice, absolutely so. As I said, you know, in

833
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,440
the last kind of three to four weeks, I guess

834
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,159
we have put up two T and M does horrors.

835
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,639
We have a huge pile of material just you know,

836
00:39:34,679 --> 00:39:36,599
within those two episodes, but we of course have a

837
00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:38,440
long history of stuff to do that. I guess it's

838
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,119
the Oscars in like a week or two or whatever

839
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:41,880
it is, and you know, we had the substance.

840
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 4: I'm on the substance. Ye.

841
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,199
Speaker 1: We did that episode over Christmas. Before that, we were

842
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,119
doing our Black Sabbath without Ossie special. The last thing

843
00:39:51,159 --> 00:39:53,440
we did was the you know, the the Gillaen and

844
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,800
then Seventh Star and the beginning of the Tony Martin

845
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,400
years and just the absolute fucking chaos that is I

846
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:04,039
think one of the most just like fun, bizarre, what

847
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:07,000
the hell do you mean? All of this happened parts

848
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,039
of any band special we will ever do. We will

849
00:40:09,079 --> 00:40:12,480
be coming up pretty shortly to finish off that particular

850
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,639
special as we go into the into the late eighties

851
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:17,760
and the early nineties and really kind of round off

852
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,920
like the period of Sabbath that people don't talk about enough.

853
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:24,679
So that is a lot of fun that we are

854
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:26,800
having doing that, and that you can find over on

855
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,440
patreon dot com slash That's not Metal. The support over

856
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,039
there is what has kept this podcast functioning all these years.

857
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:36,480
So it is an absolute, you know, treat to have

858
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:38,440
you guys you know, kind of help us like that

859
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,920
and help us along and keep us afloat. So thank

860
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,400
you everybody. Let's do what the bulk of this episode

861
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,880
is here to do, which is talk about album reviews

862
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:54,119
of some of the best, most high profile, most interesting,

863
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,599
hard and heavy releases to have been released over the

864
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:02,280
month of February. First of all, I guess you know

865
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,760
I should note today, you know, the twentieth of February.

866
00:41:05,159 --> 00:41:08,239
I know there is like another notable metalcore album as

867
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,000
this episode goes out, that people will be talking about

868
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:13,320
the next review show. I think we're gonna have a

869
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,559
bit of a state of the address of like the

870
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,920
very contemporary metal core, because we have the likes of

871
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,599
you know, spirit Box and so on releasing records as well.

872
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,280
This time, as we look at the last couple of weeks,

873
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,400
we instead have it handed to us that we are

874
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,559
going to lead with a pair of the forefathers of

875
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:32,840
the two thousands generation of metalcore, both returning with new albums,

876
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,119
both bands that you know, this podcast has a long

877
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:37,360
history of talking about and diving into, and we open

878
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,320
with the band you know maybe most emblematic of that generation, Killswitch,

879
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:45,679
engage their new record this Consequence is also it's not

880
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,719
titled it, but it is also their ninth album, and

881
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:52,800
it marks now a decade having passed since the return

882
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,960
of Jesse Leach to Killswitch Engage vocals, which so rejuvenated

883
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,800
this band more than ten years ago. So it's the

884
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,079
first time ever they've released four records in a row

885
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:05,760
with one singer. There's a fun fact for you. It's

886
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,280
the third album, if you like, of the post Disarm

887
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,840
the Descent era, because if that record is the last

888
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:16,559
really you know, universally regarded absolute classic this band have

889
00:42:16,679 --> 00:42:19,280
released when Jesse first came back. The three albums that

890
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,239
have been released since have marked out maybe what Killswitch

891
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,079
Engage really is in the modern era. This one's been

892
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:27,840
quite long in the tank. We had, you know, times

893
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,159
of grapes return in between this album and the last

894
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,400
kill Switch, which itself feels like a good old while

895
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,800
ago six years since the release of Atonement in the

896
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:38,519
pre COVID era, kill Switch kind of feel like a

897
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:40,440
man who just take a long time now, like you know,

898
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,599
whether it's Jesse just getting himself into the headspace to

899
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:47,159
write or whatever. Four years ago we did as part

900
00:42:47,199 --> 00:42:49,679
of our series of Mega Deep dive specials on the

901
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:51,440
that's not Patreon like the Black Sabbath one. I was

902
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,280
just talking about a Killswitch engaged one. And it's been

903
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,719
a long time now since that. It also comes off

904
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,000
the back of them headlining Bloodstock for the first time,

905
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,880
which was a really great show I can attest to.

906
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,559
But to take us back when we did that band

907
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,199
special covering everything up to that point, one of my

908
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,360
main takeaways from that special was realizing that Atonement next

909
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:14,159
to Incarnate, of those two albums they released after the

910
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,559
Sun and Descent. We came away from that special talking

911
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:19,599
actually about how much better Atonement was of those like

912
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,400
latter two twenty tens albums.

913
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think like Incarnate to me still the kind

914
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:30,000
of embodoment of like two great singles and then I

915
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:31,840
would I don't ever feel the need to listen to

916
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,480
anything else off the album. Atonement was just you know,

917
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:38,760
kind of like a nice, fairly consistent sort of helping

918
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,400
of Kills to Gauge doing what they do and me

919
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:43,280
liking it. It wasn't you know, set in the Mold

920
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,519
on Fire for the most part, outside of again certainly singles,

921
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:49,719
but it was you know, a nice sort of like

922
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,280
just tozy record to me Atonement these days, Like.

923
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it suffered from being the second not quite classic

924
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,880
kill Switch Engage album in a row of people kind

925
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,840
of coming back down to earth after the high of

926
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,199
Disarmed Descent. But when in Karna a couple of those

927
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:08,159
standout singles you're saying aside, was like genuinely like a

928
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:12,519
more disappointing album Atonement. If you play it right after Incarna,

929
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,480
it's clearly a much more satisfying product. It's got great highs,

930
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,280
it's got a good variety in the track list. I

931
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:19,519
really appreciated how in that you know realization where we

932
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:21,599
did that special And I think if we look at

933
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,840
the Jesse Return era, there are maybe three tiers of

934
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,800
quality that emerged then on those twenty tens albums. You've

935
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,440
got Disarmed Descent as the highest tier, the kind which

936
00:44:30,519 --> 00:44:32,280
you know maybe is the one we're not putting all

937
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,239
of our eggs in that busket of them coming out

938
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:36,639
with something like that. Again, we have in Karna as

939
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:39,119
the lowest tier of like it's got hated by design

940
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:40,639
on it, which is better than nothing, but it's a

941
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:43,400
bit wetter as an album than we'd really want Atonement

942
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,199
kind of occupies a comfortable middle tier of something that

943
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,920
is actually, you know, pretty good. The reception for this

944
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,800
consequence has been what you'd maybe call kind of reservedly warm,

945
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,280
like no one's really being able to bring themselves to

946
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,800
kind of do the full exaggerated like return to disarmored

947
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,159
descent thing that people have to do bands. But there's

948
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:04,679
been a sort of quiet appreciation for this and maybe

949
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:07,119
perhaps just being a little little rower than they've been

950
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:11,039
in a minute. I think you put this consequence comfortably

951
00:45:11,039 --> 00:45:13,320
on that middle tier that I was describing, like whether

952
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,199
you would say it's better than a tonement or not,

953
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:19,880
it's that second category of like not necessarily a real

954
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,079
moment for them, but pretty good and likable. We on

955
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:24,000
the same page.

956
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 5: I think with kill Stitch in general, their entire catalog

957
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,480
splits into three tiers of like the classics, the kind

958
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,719
of like that middle tier out of a tone, and

959
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,840
I would put you know, the Debut and as do

960
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:37,840
like Dies in that sort of middle tier, maybe as

961
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,239
kind of like the really good amms I like a lot,

962
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:43,840
and then second self titled Incarnate at the sort the bottom.

963
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 4: So I think they've always sort of had that, And yes,

964
00:45:46,039 --> 00:45:46,960
I would agree.

965
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 5: I would put this consequence comfortably in that sort of

966
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,960
middle tier of like I really like this kill Stitch

967
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,199
Engage album. It's not going to set the world on fire,

968
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,719
but I just think it's a very good metical record.

969
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

970
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Elliott, that special was so long ago that you

971
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,920
weren't actually with us as part of that, So I guess,

972
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,239
you know, just to clear out what what's your kind

973
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,519
of attachment if you have one to witch Gage.

974
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,039
Speaker 3: I really like the classic material.

975
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 6: Obviously a live were just breathing and heartache, I would say, obviously,

976
00:46:16,039 --> 00:46:17,840
like you two Disarmed the Descent, that's the sort of

977
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,880
holy trinity. I know a lot of people rag on

978
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,079
the second self titled record. I think that's quite okay.

979
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:27,480
I don't actually think that album is any worse than

980
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,800
Certainly Incarnate, and I think Atonement is only marginally better,

981
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,159
to be honest, Like, just to focus on the last

982
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,519
couple of kill Switch records, those really sounds to me

983
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:41,199
like a band kind of not just running out of ideas,

984
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:43,519
but sort of running out of steam, running out of songs,

985
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,519
and arriving at this record. I hoped that with the

986
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:49,880
time away, either they'd come back and do something that

987
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,360
would really turn people's heads and kind of change the

988
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,880
formula up a bit, because it started to feel a

989
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:58,119
bit like certainly on Atonement, that it was against like

990
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,119
into tread Ward's sort of moving circles.

991
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: Listen to this.

992
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:07,559
Speaker 6: I think I would say the alum is probably above Atonement.

993
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,480
I would put it not a full tier above Atonement,

994
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:14,519
but slightly better. But it's still for me, quite a

995
00:47:14,559 --> 00:47:17,199
way away from the great kill Switch material.

996
00:47:17,559 --> 00:47:20,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that's you know, ultimately fair

997
00:47:20,119 --> 00:47:23,599
in terms of this is not trouble in the high

998
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,119
end really of what they do. And I think maybe Kills,

999
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,039
which are a band where they have fans who are

1000
00:47:30,119 --> 00:47:32,840
kind of only really interested in them, like at their best,

1001
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:34,960
and then there are the fans who have like you know,

1002
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,519
really kind of been with them through thick and feling

1003
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:38,079
kind of you know, we'll we'll take the sort of

1004
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,320
the more you know, sort of reliably decent records, which

1005
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,599
is where ultimately again this I would say Atonement kind

1006
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:47,440
of fit. I think we have a tendency to almost

1007
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:51,119
underestimate Kills which engage these days of kind of when

1008
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:53,199
we did that news episode a while ago where they

1009
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:55,800
we had like a bunch of metalcore singles, all released

1010
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,480
at once for some reason, and the one that we

1011
00:47:57,519 --> 00:47:59,920
came away being like that one was good was forever

1012
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:03,480
lined from Killswitch Engage. And I came at this kind

1013
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:07,000
of not wanting to like overestimate its quality and make

1014
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:10,000
it out to be more dramatic in improvement or where

1015
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:12,800
they've been or whatever than it is, but also not

1016
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,280
wanting to do them dirty and dismiss you know, the

1017
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,800
kind of the kill Switch touch that I do think

1018
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,800
they consistently kind of put in there. There is a

1019
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,280
balance to be struck there of you know, infusing and

1020
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:24,440
you know, the album being thirty five minutes for a start.

1021
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,360
I mean, like you look at Incarnate and that's nearly

1022
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,320
forty five minutes. It's quite a bit of stodge on

1023
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,800
that record. And you know, even if it has been

1024
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,639
you know, six years between them, I think having a

1025
00:48:33,639 --> 00:48:35,960
more kind of like hardcore type brevity of album was

1026
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,000
probably a good choice because even if I don't think

1027
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,320
every song on this is like consistently batting at their

1028
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,480
highest level, there's not really a point in this album

1029
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,719
where I, like I get bored and I'm itching to

1030
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,880
turn it off, you know, And I think if there's

1031
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,320
a narrative to this album, which you know can be

1032
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,159
hard to find at this stage for a band like

1033
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,239
Killswitch Engage. But they've been talking about how there's almost

1034
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,000
more of like a slightly hardcore attitude of like tracking

1035
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,000
it live together in a stuff, And I would say

1036
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,840
there maybe is a there's a certain spontaneity to moments

1037
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,480
of it that maybe kill Switch at their lowest points

1038
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:07,199
have been missing.

1039
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I'd agree with that.

1040
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:10,199
Speaker 5: I like, I mean, I think the sound of the

1041
00:49:10,199 --> 00:49:11,480
album is probably gonna be one of those things that

1042
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:13,039
gets kind of like discussed.

1043
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:15,039
Speaker 4: I love it. I'm down for kill.

1044
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:17,039
Speaker 5: Switch kind of tapping into a sort of raw hardcore

1045
00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:19,800
sound For me, the new kill Stitch album, it's always

1046
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,880
going to be a moment of like new kill Switch.

1047
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 4: I love it.

1048
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 5: It's my favorite thing because I'm just like I at

1049
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:27,079
the best. I adore this band. It might be one

1050
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:28,800
of my favorite sounds the band can make. Is like

1051
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,039
Pete kill Switch. There's always with the new album. I

1052
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:34,159
do kind of get swept up in the I'm hitting

1053
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:36,199
planning the new kills Subum. I'm gonna love it and

1054
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,639
it's kind of like okay, a couple of weeks later,

1055
00:49:38,679 --> 00:49:40,000
a couple months there, how do I feel? And this

1056
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:41,599
would have been I've had it for a couple of

1057
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:44,360
weeks now, like so I'm kind of a point now

1058
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,679
where I've I've sort of well like did did that

1059
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,719
initial rush of like hitting Planel nu kills will be

1060
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:50,920
like yeah, new kill Switch sustained And I think this

1061
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,920
has sustained longer than that rush has on the last

1062
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,639
two I think the fact that you like thirty five minutes,

1063
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,760
I don't get bored of this because I'm just like

1064
00:49:59,320 --> 00:49:59,719
it's on.

1065
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 4: I'm just going with them, Like, I mean.

1066
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 5: There's there's kind of like no real low points it

1067
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,719
out for me because it's just really to the point.

1068
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:10,119
Maybe again it doesn't consistently bad at like the highest highs,

1069
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,559
but I do think like the high points are really

1070
00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:14,760
I some are like legitimately gray, I think for ever

1071
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,920
aligned that song that was one I've been listening to

1072
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,719
loads since it came out, but it just it never

1073
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:21,199
really dips me either. I think it just kind of

1074
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:24,079
consistently hits something I have a very good time listening to.

1075
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean that kind of touches on what I'm

1076
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,840
feeling as well. Because with this record, I don't know

1077
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,639
if the songwriting is necessarily any better than it was

1078
00:50:32,639 --> 00:50:38,039
an Atonement, let's say, but I'm just more more impressed

1079
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:39,719
by the sensation of it. And I know some people

1080
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:42,119
have complained about the mix and the sound of it.

1081
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,639
I quite like it. It's kind of a lot more rattically,

1082
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,599
a bit more light footed, and not not really as punching,

1083
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:51,639
weighty and metallic as kill Switch often are. But I

1084
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:54,760
think it's nice to have a pacier, more attic kill Switch,

1085
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:55,519
you know.

1086
00:50:55,519 --> 00:50:56,119
Speaker 3: On this record.

1087
00:50:56,159 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: And I said, let's not say the songwriting is bad

1088
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,239
per se, sort I think there were some really strong

1089
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,880
songs on this record, but I think it does make

1090
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,000
up maybe for the slightly less anthemic songwriting that we've

1091
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,159
found on the last couple of records. Yeah, I think

1092
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,480
not to say it is of the same quality, because

1093
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,639
I do not believe that before anyone you know, jumps

1094
00:51:15,679 --> 00:51:17,480
on it. But I think in terms of approach of

1095
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:20,079
the style of songs they're writing, I think this maybe

1096
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:22,280
is a little bit more similar to Disarmles's Descent than

1097
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,280
the kind of other two because it is quite punchy,

1098
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,679
you know, short to the point, and it is you know,

1099
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,119
it has that kind of light footedness that you're talking about.

1100
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:34,280
There's quite a lot of slightly more extreme leaning songs

1101
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,840
they you know, switch up the tempos a good bit

1102
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,639
in terms of those like you know, just turned from

1103
00:51:39,639 --> 00:51:43,119
one thing into another, and you know it starts kind

1104
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,239
of no mucking about straight into like a really rowdy

1105
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,440
kilsehch engage riff on abandon Us, which I think is

1106
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:51,079
a you know, really cool kind of start in terms

1107
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:53,320
of it slightly throws you about with the timing of

1108
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,239
it at the beginning before then settling into that just

1109
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,400
like really pale to the Nettle stomp one of the

1110
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,800
records more immediate choruses like really good to just kind

1111
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,559
of get you into the record straight away, and you

1112
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:05,639
can feel, I think they're Jesse's ability to just like fully,

1113
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,960
you know, let you into his heart with a melody

1114
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:10,400
very on display. There You've got a good little opening

1115
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:15,480
run of Discordant Nation, very again similar to the Call

1116
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:18,119
from Desalmon Descent where it has that like the Jesse

1117
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,119
melody over the blast really kind of almost took me

1118
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:24,440
back like a decade there and then particularly for me,

1119
00:52:24,519 --> 00:52:27,760
I think Aftermath at track three is one of my

1120
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:29,760
probably one of my favorite kill Fit songs of the

1121
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,320
last you Know again, the post Desimon Descent era. I

1122
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:33,880
think that that chorus of you know, the kind of

1123
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:37,159
really from the aftermath is really impassioned. And I don't

1124
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:39,320
know if that's a I don't know, a reflection on

1125
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,199
the sort of COVID years whatever that's happened since their

1126
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,159
last album, but I think that's a vocal on there

1127
00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:47,199
where it just it feels like Jesse cares, you know,

1128
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,920
it just like needs you to kind of feel what

1129
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:50,960
he's getting across there, and I think that is something

1130
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,199
that really marks out, you know, Killswitch kind of when

1131
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:55,639
they are able to really get it going.

1132
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 5: I mean I almost always get that thing from Jesse

1133
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:00,599
as a vocalist. I'm just he's one of those I

1134
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:02,280
will just hand out the words. And I think I

1135
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,679
think the opening run this album is like legitimately great.

1136
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,239
I think abandon Us like that that sort of like

1137
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:09,920
classic kilterge to Gay, just big a band in us

1138
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,639
chorus with that melodic lifting the guitars, you know, like

1139
00:53:12,679 --> 00:53:14,079
a little bit of like a key change bit towards

1140
00:53:14,079 --> 00:53:14,400
the end of.

1141
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,760
Speaker 4: It sounds huge.

1142
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 5: Discordingate is kind of like raggedy almost like crusty nasty

1143
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:22,840
kill Switch with the blast beats, but again with a

1144
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,400
big melody going off of it, and and Art of

1145
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,880
Us has this kind of like really just raw sincerity.

1146
00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:31,559
I think that just serves really nicely in the sound.

1147
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:33,639
I think they're like that fruit for Everlind and even

1148
00:53:33,679 --> 00:53:35,320
I believe it's just kind of like this like great

1149
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,320
run of like, oh, this is everything I want from

1150
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,360
Kills to Gage. It's giving me big choruses, It's given

1151
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,639
me a kind of like emotional sincerity, and like bits

1152
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:46,480
are like really quite surprisingly heavy and how hard they

1153
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:48,800
can go, but with a kind of like a hardcore

1154
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,880
kind of just like brevity and battering kind of onslot,

1155
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,199
and it all just like just ticks all the boxes

1156
00:53:54,199 --> 00:53:54,400
for me.

1157
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:57,840
Speaker 6: I think Jesse really steps upon this record compared to

1158
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,599
the last couple like Kills, with some riffs which are

1159
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,679
sort of iconic for their ear and that sort of thing.

1160
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:06,000
But one of the reasons that I think they got

1161
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:09,639
so popular is they at their best had like the

1162
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:13,000
best frontman in the scenes, the person who could connect

1163
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:16,719
with the with the major audiences, and as I'll say,

1164
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,239
Jesse I think has been lacking necessarily in the last

1165
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,840
couple of records, but it's been slightly more maybe like

1166
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,079
Lumpen and Lethargic, and I've not I've found his lyricism

1167
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:28,079
to be slightly lacking there here is, as far as

1168
00:54:28,079 --> 00:54:30,920
I can tell, like much more on form. Like the

1169
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:34,920
quality of courses on this record for me, is way

1170
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,960
better than it has been, and that to me makes

1171
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,320
all the difference. Like this record, the moments which still

1172
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:43,480
stick out to me now are the ones that Jesse

1173
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:44,719
sort of brings to the table.

1174
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, like I said, that aftermath chorus in particular,

1175
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,719
I think is really Jesse kind of hitting at that

1176
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,039
higher levels. I think that one is really really strong,

1177
00:54:54,679 --> 00:54:56,320
really tastes will kind of add and vocal that I

1178
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,880
like as well. That comes out thought the outro at

1179
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,440
that moment like gets me. I think, you know, you

1180
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,960
both mentioned the mix a little bit. I think for

1181
00:55:03,039 --> 00:55:06,280
me it need more low end. I think is what

1182
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,719
the kind of the little you know, the nitpicky thing

1183
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,519
is it kind of it's it sounds overall okay, right,

1184
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:12,599
But for me, if I'm going to make the stomp

1185
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:14,760
sections really able to kind of cave your head in,

1186
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,719
I think that's sort of the lower end and the

1187
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,360
bass guitar is very clean, and I just think it

1188
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,559
needs to be a little bit more kind of dirty

1189
00:55:21,559 --> 00:55:23,920
at the lower end. But like you know, the Adam

1190
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,440
d guitar tome is there, and I think the standout

1191
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,599
that gets over that kind of heaviness Hill was the

1192
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:33,840
one that we heard first because forever aligned, that riff

1193
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,719
recks the place in a way that you know, kill

1194
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,519
Switch maybe haven't hit so often since I mean, I guess,

1195
00:55:39,519 --> 00:55:40,920
you know, even like a live or just breathing, you know,

1196
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:44,639
because that is a real, like legitimate down tuned hardcore

1197
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,760
at the start, and the unrelenting rhythm in that verse

1198
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,760
is like if you fucking go on kill which engage

1199
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,199
you know, and it's got those you know, we pointed

1200
00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:54,239
out those like old school fixation on the darkness style

1201
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,320
sort of yells that Jesse does in the in the

1202
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,719
pre chorus, So that's very much there. But then what

1203
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,119
tops that song off is like an almost unexpectedly top

1204
00:56:02,199 --> 00:56:05,480
draw chorus, like you could imagine that song being just

1205
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:07,039
slightly more than the you know, the thug song in

1206
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,880
the track list, but the way they end up, like

1207
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,679
you know, making it kind of fly rather than the

1208
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,840
derailing it into a stodgy clan chorus or something. It

1209
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:20,960
feels like, you know that the savvy songwriting trick that

1210
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:23,199
Killswitch can do that A lot of their you know

1211
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,239
kind of successors never quite pulled off the ability to

1212
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,960
make both elements work there, and again, particularly I think

1213
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,199
the run at the start, the likes of abandon Us

1214
00:56:33,199 --> 00:56:36,840
after Math, and particularly that song, they pull off that

1215
00:56:37,079 --> 00:56:39,880
trick in a way that I do find again Eli

1216
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:41,719
used the word light footed before that kind of just

1217
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:45,239
like that that effortlessness of how it works I think

1218
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:48,760
is more there maybe than again the lowest lows of

1219
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:49,599
Killswitch's career.

1220
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,199
Speaker 5: I just think it's a lost art in metalcore for

1221
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,280
so many bars of pulling off or something that like

1222
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,400
like Foreverlyne is that opening intro, that that first riff,

1223
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,760
that verse is so hard and it and that makes

1224
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,639
the course better coming out of it because it's like

1225
00:57:04,039 --> 00:57:05,960
making miracles. The courses always worked best when they've come

1226
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,400
out something so heavy, because it's that contrast. It is

1227
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,519
that shifting mood and when you can just saw off

1228
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:14,639
like that that kills wage at their best can it

1229
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,440
is is magic to me, and it is one of

1230
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,639
those sounds that I will never ever tire of, and

1231
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:21,000
I think so few bands right now are able to

1232
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:23,840
do that to any sort level, even bands who once

1233
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,840
could have kind of lost the magic for it, like

1234
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,360
sort of modern contemporary Mecal bands that that could do that,

1235
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,079
they they seem to have gone to know because they're

1236
00:57:32,119 --> 00:57:36,199
writing the most kind of like dour mainstream choruses.

1237
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:36,559
Speaker 4: And kill Switch.

1238
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,679
Speaker 5: There's nothing kind of dow or downcast about these choruses.

1239
00:57:39,719 --> 00:57:44,039
They are big, soaring anthems that just happens to come

1240
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:47,320
out of like fist swinging like hardcore verse parts, and

1241
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,119
I think it just it sounds great and it is

1242
00:57:50,039 --> 00:57:52,440
Thomas and again like the sort the tapping guitar melodies

1243
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,679
in that chorus that just kind of like lift it

1244
00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:56,599
up even more. It is such a like it's a

1245
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:58,760
sound that I were just hanging off of because it

1246
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,039
just it's sounds incredible to me, and I think we

1247
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,880
need more of it, and we just few Sophie bands

1248
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,960
in this sort of sphere I want to do this now.

1249
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 6: I mean, my favorite example of that is the song

1250
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:11,639
that I haven't really seen anyone discuss, and it's The

1251
00:58:11,679 --> 00:58:13,360
Fall of Us, which comes in the second half that

1252
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,199
a lot of people seem to have overlooked that to

1253
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,519
me might be the best chorus on the album. But

1254
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,000
like you say, something, the way the song rattles along

1255
00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,239
and how ferocious it sounds when it does go heavy,

1256
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:26,280
it's that juxtaposition that makes it pop because it's the

1257
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,039
closest to extreme metal that I think He'll Switch have

1258
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:30,719
sounded since The Son of the sound like some of

1259
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,159
the vocals there. It doesn't even sound like Jesse. It

1260
00:58:33,239 --> 00:58:39,159
sounds some full on extreme metal vocalist. And like you said,

1261
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:41,519
it reminds you of why that juxtaposition of clean and

1262
00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:45,960
harsh vocals, soaring sections, and just pure filth, why that

1263
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:48,239
works so well and was so popular for so long

1264
00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:51,360
when it's done properly, because both aspects are so much

1265
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,159
more satisfying and put next to each other. And I

1266
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:58,880
think that song, like you're saying, pound about like Forever

1267
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:01,880
after My being one of your favorite songs of the

1268
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,239
poster a song, I think this is as good as

1269
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:05,840
anything they've done since that record.

1270
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,119
Speaker 1: Well, The Fall of Us has a riff in it

1271
00:59:08,159 --> 00:59:13,000
that I swear sounds like nil, like the highest pure definite,

1272
00:59:13,159 --> 00:59:15,920
like the high kind of techie definital tremlo barsro in

1273
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,000
the beginning of the song, it's it's peeling out of

1274
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:20,079
the catacombs of deafron Car. You know that did.

1275
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 5: And I like that, and then right, I mean, we know,

1276
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:27,559
obviously Adam has always been a huge sort of death Jesse.

1277
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 1: As well, they're in on it, and you know and

1278
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:30,079
and and Mike as well, but like, you know, the

1279
00:59:30,159 --> 00:59:34,079
legit kind of tech deathie nil riff there collusion after

1280
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:37,599
that is probably as ignorant as like modern Kills, which

1281
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:40,480
can get because that has like a suffocation style breakdown.

1282
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:41,800
And that was the one where I was like, you know,

1283
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:43,440
is that a guest vocalist, But I don't think they

1284
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:45,480
need one. It's just Jesse can do just kind of

1285
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:47,239
that sort of death meat of vocal. I think maybe

1286
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:50,480
that song is slightly more lump and compared to like

1287
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,800
the faster approach on you know, the Fall of Us.

1288
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,119
But I think the kind of you know, the exoticized

1289
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,199
again death metal tremolo and the thrash in the Fall

1290
00:59:59,199 --> 01:00:01,440
of Us really like kind of tears you a new one.

1291
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,159
The chorus on that one has very much if another

1292
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:06,760
time I mentioned remind me of the call that one

1293
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,079
kind of gave me a bit of like the hell

1294
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:10,000
in me flashback from the sum because again it's that

1295
01:00:10,119 --> 01:00:13,039
like the way they send Jesse over the top on

1296
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:15,639
a blast like that, It's a flavor that again, a

1297
01:00:15,679 --> 01:00:17,599
lot of their successes are a little scared really embrace. I

1298
01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:19,760
think all of this is again maybe slightly tempered by

1299
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,079
while they they draw on those rifts and they play

1300
01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:26,639
those rifts, again, the delivery in the kind of the

1301
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:30,480
studio maybe is not as like, you know, frenzied and

1302
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:33,760
like razor barbed and as heavy as kind of their

1303
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,199
their influences, which is maybe slightly kind of holding people

1304
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:38,320
got back from and go like, oh my god, you

1305
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,400
know Kills, which have made a fucking extreme metal record

1306
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,840
or anything like that. But I do think that those

1307
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,320
turns of pace and those ability to flip between mode

1308
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:48,599
and like, you know, we don't think of Kills which

1309
01:00:48,599 --> 01:00:50,719
as being like the most dynamic of bands, but their

1310
01:00:50,719 --> 01:00:54,320
ability to flip between one mode and another is kind

1311
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:56,639
of what made them, you know, arguably the great at

1312
01:00:56,679 --> 01:01:00,320
this particular melodic kind of style of metalcore songs that

1313
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:02,800
you know kind of veer away from that approach into

1314
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,079
something else, you know, I believe is maybe the more

1315
01:01:06,119 --> 01:01:08,480
kind of like they always have one per album that's

1316
01:01:08,519 --> 01:01:11,079
the more kind of purely radio rock song they get

1317
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:14,280
like always on this arm of the sent Yeah, normally

1318
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,880
they're not my favorites you know, on the record, but

1319
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,760
it's it's perfectly nice, you know, it's it's inspirational, you know,

1320
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,440
for for for for believing, I'm not having a bad time.

1321
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 5: I mean again that that US radio rock sound is

1322
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,519
something I've ranged a lot. I'm fine with kils Is

1323
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:30,639
doing it because they eat like it's just doing it

1324
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:34,079
as a vocalist. He has so much more conviction passion,

1325
01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:38,000
and he's so much more believable as a vocalist, and

1326
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:39,920
like that that's song to me, I'm fine with that

1327
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,199
because like I'm cool with a sort of a big

1328
01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:45,519
emotional kind of like mid tempo ballad and they don't

1329
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:47,320
do it too much. It's that one yeah on that

1330
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,280
song on the album, in the middle of this kind

1331
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,119
of killer opening and it's cool. And then you get

1332
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:53,519
a run of like the like the hardest songs on

1333
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,960
the record where you go where it does collusion for

1334
01:01:56,079 --> 01:01:57,960
all of us, Like cool, fine with that.

1335
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I basically all the same. I think

1336
01:02:01,239 --> 01:02:03,559
the song's okay. I say, I'm sort of glad there's

1337
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:06,039
only one song of the record that's like that. But

1338
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,000
I mean part of me thinks the facts I almost

1339
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,199
forgets it happened, and in a good way.

1340
01:02:12,199 --> 01:02:13,079
Speaker 3: I kind of go, well, we're.

1341
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,719
Speaker 6: Back to the heavy stuff afterwards. You think, if that's

1342
01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:17,239
the big radio song and the benefits, I've forgotten it

1343
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:17,639
was on the.

1344
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 3: Red that's idea.

1345
01:02:19,519 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I almost you as as not being the

1346
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,159
target demographic for it, Like we're the people who are

1347
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:25,039
going to go mad when they're doing Nile Riff, whereas

1348
01:02:25,039 --> 01:02:26,239
the people again.

1349
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 5: I do land in the kind of like the middle,

1350
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,960
and I'm well, I'm totally on board with all of it.

1351
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,039
Speaker 4: I think I believe it's great.

1352
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:35,159
Speaker 5: I think for all of us where they are just

1353
01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:37,880
like going absolutely filthy and doing bending notes on the

1354
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,440
breakdown to make it sound even heavier, I'm down with

1355
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:40,719
it all.

1356
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, But actually, you know, we're going to get inside

1357
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,280
about that stuff. You know, the people out there who

1358
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:46,000
have got you know, kilt gauge on their their gym

1359
01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:47,840
playlists or whatever. You know, I believe he's going to

1360
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:49,400
get them through that. And that's good too. They're going

1361
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,440
to have that, you know, as kind of appeasing every

1362
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,880
demographic that they've got there. And you know, just going

1363
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:57,000
back to you're talking about Jesse being kind of, you know,

1364
01:02:57,159 --> 01:02:59,920
a highlight on this record. He seems to have unlocked

1365
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:03,880
this like slightly higher Ruspier scream on the last couple

1366
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:05,760
of albums. That really gives it the kind of like

1367
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:08,119
intensity at points, and you hear it on like the

1368
01:03:08,199 --> 01:03:09,679
you know, the kind of the the final we are

1369
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:12,480
aligned in forever aligned even in I believe when you're

1370
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,480
doing they keep the faith. It like it really you know,

1371
01:03:14,519 --> 01:03:16,800
it kind of makes your hairs stand up, and that's great.

1372
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:19,599
The couple ending songs passed, I think the Fall of

1373
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:22,079
Us in the track list duck a little bit more

1374
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:24,239
to slightly more you know, kind of forgettable kill gay

1375
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,800
territory for me, even if Broken Glass is almost like

1376
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,719
them going for like Crowbar or something proving.

1377
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 5: Like I quite like, I quite like Broken Glass that

1378
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:35,679
kind of like swinging grooves or things. It's not not

1379
01:03:35,719 --> 01:03:36,880
the best thing now, and I think the last two

1380
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,880
are probably the weakest part of the record, but it's

1381
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:41,079
a it's a cool kind of like shift.

1382
01:03:41,199 --> 01:03:43,599
Speaker 1: It's it's like a nollary sludge song with like a

1383
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:47,079
droney Alison Chain's vocal as well, And again I don't

1384
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:49,599
think maybe with the the tone and the mix and

1385
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:51,679
everything that they usually have, like you know, Kills, which

1386
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:54,320
they're not an atmospheric or bluesy band, you know, which

1387
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,039
I think is what normally ends up being the Achilles

1388
01:03:56,119 --> 01:03:58,480
heel for bands who try and do you know, we're

1389
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:01,679
going to be fucking swamp thing for an afternoon. But again,

1390
01:04:01,719 --> 01:04:05,960
it's not bad. The last song perfectly okay closer, but

1391
01:04:06,199 --> 01:04:08,559
I don't think there's any song in here that really

1392
01:04:08,599 --> 01:04:10,519
brings things to like it again, like a crushing halt

1393
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:13,320
or anything. I think it's ten tracks, six or seven

1394
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,480
of them, in my eyes, are like pretty strong.

1395
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I would say, like most of the album

1396
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,360
I think is pretty great. I get if people aren't

1397
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,360
gonna be totally on board of it, but I just

1398
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,000
I kind of a bad time with any moment of

1399
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:29,039
this record. I'm just so like, again, it's just hearing

1400
01:04:29,039 --> 01:04:32,760
Midlecord that does this done to a good standard, I like,

1401
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:35,519
and due to a good standard at its worst, Like

1402
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:38,719
this worst album is a good Midalk album at its best,

1403
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:41,159
I think it's a really great one that is more

1404
01:04:41,159 --> 01:04:43,280
than enough of me at this point from like a

1405
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:44,960
band in the sort of the stage of their career

1406
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:47,079
at that Kilstuch Engage rat like I'll take it.

1407
01:04:47,679 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sort of feel similar to this record how

1408
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,880
I felt about that Lamb of God record when we

1409
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:55,320
reviewed it years ago, Like it's a better album from

1410
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,280
where they were, one that benefits from being something less

1411
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,360
sluggish than its predecessors. It's not a classic, but I'm

1412
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:04,880
actually more excited about the next record for this one existing,

1413
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:07,880
and that's purely off the strength of this one, which

1414
01:05:08,679 --> 01:05:10,760
I think is a success. Like, you know, if I'm

1415
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,280
not expecting brilliance, it's nice to have a record that's

1416
01:05:13,639 --> 01:05:15,719
moving in the right direction. Yeah, I think, you know,

1417
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,320
Aftermath and Forever Aligned, you're throwing up the Fall of

1418
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,320
Us and stuff as well. I think at the upper

1419
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,679
end of the Killswitch Engage songs released in the last decade,

1420
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:26,800
and you know, I wouldn't imagine this is going to

1421
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,679
end up being one of the standout metal albums of

1422
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:30,840
the year, you know, but it's it's a fine work,

1423
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,920
I think, And I think if we had that dip below,

1424
01:05:34,079 --> 01:05:36,719
like what we would kind of comfortably like Killswitch Engage

1425
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,400
to be at when we had in Karna. In my eyes,

1426
01:05:39,440 --> 01:05:42,159
this and Atonement again whichever one you prefer, but the

1427
01:05:42,199 --> 01:05:44,039
two of those together have been like more. Yeah, that's

1428
01:05:44,079 --> 01:05:47,440
just kind of like a happy, engaged Killswitch Engage doing

1429
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:49,280
what they do, and I think there are you know,

1430
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,599
a few really strong highlights in it. If not necessarily

1431
01:05:54,639 --> 01:05:57,199
if you're looking to kills Engage to write the standout

1432
01:05:57,199 --> 01:05:59,400
metal records of twenty twenty five, I think those days

1433
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,599
have probably part. But if you're still with them, there

1434
01:06:02,599 --> 01:06:04,880
are some you know, some treats to be had. There's

1435
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,599
a nile riff, you know, and as better than nothing.

1436
01:06:07,719 --> 01:06:11,039
So this consequence by kill Switch Engage is out. But

1437
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,079
talking about metalcore bands of this generation maybe tapping into

1438
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:17,559
a bit of the violence of their older days when

1439
01:06:17,599 --> 01:06:20,480
you talk about bleeding through, because this is not some

1440
01:06:20,679 --> 01:06:22,400
like oh they've got They've put a bit of the

1441
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:25,519
pace back in, almost like patronizing praise. This is like

1442
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:27,960
the two thousand metal core equivalent of when Cannibal Corps

1443
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,519
come out with a new album and you go, fucking

1444
01:06:29,639 --> 01:06:34,159
Jesus bleeding through. His new album nine, released on Valentine's Day,

1445
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:37,159
How lovely this is. It's a great co lead review

1446
01:06:37,159 --> 01:06:40,000
with the new kill Switch, because it's not only another

1447
01:06:40,039 --> 01:06:42,519
metalcore band of that same generation, but it's another band

1448
01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:45,280
we're very passionate about. I like to think we're maybe

1449
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,880
the Internet's primary Bleeding Through historians, because I don't know

1450
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,079
if anyone else has done what we did, which is

1451
01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:54,719
like a seven hour retrospective of the whole career and

1452
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,920
creative evolution of a band like Bleeding Through, who historically

1453
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,639
have often gone overlooked. They might not always be put

1454
01:07:00,639 --> 01:07:02,679
on the same level as the Kills which engage, but

1455
01:07:02,719 --> 01:07:04,039
they bloody well are to us.

1456
01:07:04,599 --> 01:07:07,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Bleeding Through on those bands I think

1457
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,800
are so like ything.

1458
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 4: And the thing is is they are solidly one of the.

1459
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 5: Most important bands on the current state of a lot

1460
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,440
of modern death core and metal cores, and they've just

1461
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,719
kind of gone unsung for it. You know, you don't

1462
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,079
have like most of some whites, whole stick has always

1463
01:07:22,119 --> 01:07:22,719
just been ripping off.

1464
01:07:22,719 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 4: Bleeding Through.

1465
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 5: They are on those bands that are just like the

1466
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:28,440
unsung heroes of the noises metal cores, and I'm glad

1467
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:30,679
we at least we are kind of way like flying

1468
01:07:30,679 --> 01:07:33,239
the Flag being like Bleeding Through our fucking great evon

1469
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:34,920
sort of get on our level, right.

1470
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 6: I mean, they're what are the great discoveries that I've

1471
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,880
made through doing this show, and the worse and worse

1472
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,559
like modern metal core gets as the years go by,

1473
01:07:44,039 --> 01:07:44,639
the more.

1474
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:45,800
Speaker 3: And more I appreciate them.

1475
01:07:45,960 --> 01:07:49,239
Speaker 6: Like when you hear like like bad Omens and stuff

1476
01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:50,480
like that and you go back to like this is love,

1477
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:54,920
this is murder, you're, oh, that's more like it. And

1478
01:07:54,920 --> 01:07:57,480
so for me that the first time a Bleeding Through

1479
01:07:57,519 --> 01:07:59,800
record coming out in my time as being a fan, Yeah,

1480
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:04,199
it being this one, that's all right.

1481
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,920
Speaker 1: I was excited to talk about that. Yeah, it's been

1482
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,280
even longer than the Tank. Actually, seven years since the

1483
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,320
release of Leaning Through's comeback album after the hiatus, Love

1484
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:15,679
Will Kill All, in twenty eighteen, makes this actually longer

1485
01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:17,640
coming than they were broken up in the first place,

1486
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:19,680
although you can imagine that, you know, COVID has much

1487
01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:21,600
to do with that whatever, but that's that's you know interesting.

1488
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,479
Bleeding Through being back in general has been a joy,

1489
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:28,159
hasn't it? Because Love Will Kill All again, we had

1490
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:29,560
a big love in about it when we did our

1491
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:31,680
special and we ended off the story at that point there.

1492
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:34,800
It's absolutely like, you know, their disarveed descent for a

1493
01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,760
band kind of having a second win, knocking what they

1494
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:40,079
do out of the park. It's just on a much

1495
01:08:40,119 --> 01:08:42,239
more cult level, because that's what Bleeding Through are. They

1496
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:46,640
have a dedicated, fanatical portion of the metal audience that

1497
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,640
is theirs. They've played two shows in the UK in

1498
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,520
that time, and at least in the form of me

1499
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:52,960
and Sam, you know, the three of us are another one,

1500
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:56,840
but we have been at both and you get from

1501
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,520
just their gusto on stage, like how all or nothing

1502
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,039
passion this band just seems to be for them. There's

1503
01:09:03,079 --> 01:09:05,680
it's not a job for them. It's not you know,

1504
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,319
a kind of a contractual obligation, you know, obligation I

1505
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:11,760
must give a I had some nerves about this album

1506
01:09:11,840 --> 01:09:13,880
kind of over the couple of years that it's kind

1507
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,520
of been building up to it, because it's it's been

1508
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,199
so long now since the rush of like the Bleeding

1509
01:09:19,199 --> 01:09:21,319
film Comeback, you know, and our little group of like

1510
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,159
mined friends getting so excited about the lovel kill all

1511
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:26,600
teasers and so on, and we've had for what felt

1512
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:29,720
like a bit of a protracted period after COVID drip

1513
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:30,920
fed bits.

1514
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,159
Speaker 5: Of music like Rage and Yeah, a series of like

1515
01:09:34,199 --> 01:09:37,640
singles and EPs remastered tracks off of This Is Last.

1516
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was it was a kind of like quite.

1517
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:43,039
Speaker 5: I was like, come on, give give me more, give

1518
01:09:43,079 --> 01:09:44,960
me something, and like I like some of those singles,

1519
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,199
but they weren't. It felt kind of like they weren't

1520
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:48,720
at that level of level kill all.

1521
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:50,319
Speaker 4: So it's kind of bit. I was like, Oh, how's

1522
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:51,800
the kind of like holy.

1523
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,399
Speaker 5: Shippling through moment kind of been and gone and now

1524
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,439
they're kind of selling into a sort of a comfortable position.

1525
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 4: So it was curious with this album.

1526
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,119
Speaker 1: Precisely what I felt. Some of those singles are on

1527
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:03,000
this album, Some like like you know, the Rage GP

1528
01:10:03,159 --> 01:10:06,960
they did you know, are not and like I didn't

1529
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,279
feel quite as excited by those as I wanted to

1530
01:10:09,319 --> 01:10:11,760
be by Bleeding Through and you know, Rage as for example,

1531
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,039
as the kind of lead off track from that EP

1532
01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:14,920
they did. It's good track. I like it, but it's

1533
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,359
not the standard of Love Will Kill All. And the

1534
01:10:17,399 --> 01:10:19,439
following couple of singles that we got that are actually

1535
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,319
on this album. Initially I didn't connect with them too

1536
01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:24,840
strongly and I worried that. You know, for one thing,

1537
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:26,840
their last two albums have been made with Mick Kenny

1538
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,840
from a Now on the Thrack in the studio producing,

1539
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:31,319
but the same thing that's put an now the Thrack

1540
01:10:31,359 --> 01:10:34,279
on creative hiatus, Mick Kenny getting insanely massive and like

1541
01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:37,079
actually real music industry popular with his is edm cord

1542
01:10:37,119 --> 01:10:40,000
Heale project. It's also removed him from the Bleeding Through studio.

1543
01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:42,640
He does not produce this record. It's also the last

1544
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,560
album that featured longtime member Ryan Wanbacker on bass. He's

1545
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,239
been absent from the stage for a while now, and

1546
01:10:48,279 --> 01:10:50,800
he announced after the release of this that he's stepping

1547
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:52,840
back permanently. I didn't put it in the news last

1548
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:55,399
week because we're talking about it here, but executor of

1549
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,159
maybe the finest music video spin kick of all time

1550
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:01,319
on the Love Lots and Ahilo Gunfire a breakdown. Respect

1551
01:11:01,359 --> 01:11:03,640
salute for that, But you know, there were elements of

1552
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,199
the delivery on some of those advanced singles they just

1553
01:11:06,199 --> 01:11:08,880
didn't fully gail with me. And I don't know if

1554
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,039
the versions on the album are souped up from what

1555
01:11:12,199 --> 01:11:14,159
was put out there, or if just the experience of

1556
01:11:14,199 --> 01:11:15,840
getting an album as a whole, as sort of you know,

1557
01:11:16,359 --> 01:11:17,960
and not just a little bite to sort of smooth

1558
01:11:17,960 --> 01:11:20,199
it out for me. But I am elated to say

1559
01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:23,479
Bleeding Through they're still the best. They're still the hardest

1560
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:25,880
bad of their generation. I have been having such a

1561
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:27,279
fucking good time with this record.

1562
01:11:28,399 --> 01:11:30,720
Speaker 5: I had just like when I put this on and

1563
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,039
a hip plane, I was just like the smiled at

1564
01:11:33,079 --> 01:11:36,960
my face when it starts with a fucking sermon. Yes,

1565
01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:40,600
like Bleeding Through, Kings of opening their band with six

1566
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,079
aren't completely this Like this isn't quite you know Willem Dafoe.

1567
01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:46,680
There was a firefight, but that ceremony, some of that

1568
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:47,560
opens gallows.

1569
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,920
Speaker 4: I was like, those who oppose us, it's cool. And

1570
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:52,399
then that.

1571
01:11:53,359 --> 01:11:56,560
Speaker 5: Blast of just like gothic black and melkcore that just

1572
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,520
kind of like comes out of you. With the way

1573
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:01,439
this album starts, I was like, ah, fucking no one's

1574
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:04,199
doing it like Bleeding Through. They are like even again

1575
01:12:04,199 --> 01:12:05,880
in the sort of like the classics or of metal

1576
01:12:05,960 --> 01:12:09,159
coalpping I love. They just have have the thing to

1577
01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:11,119
me with that when they're at their best, which I

1578
01:12:11,159 --> 01:12:15,720
think on this album is pretty much the majority of

1579
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,159
it is them really.

1580
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 4: Firing on all cylinders either.

1581
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 5: This album is fantastic and I just have a great

1582
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,680
time from start to finish, even more so than the

1583
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,439
kill Stitch album, like which again, like I really do,

1584
01:12:26,640 --> 01:12:28,920
like I fucking love this album.

1585
01:12:29,159 --> 01:12:32,159
Speaker 6: Oh this We were all pretty positive by that kill

1586
01:12:32,159 --> 01:12:36,399
Switch record. This lapse it so hard for me, Like

1587
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,760
I mean, I to us, I share the thing you

1588
01:12:38,760 --> 01:12:40,479
were saying earlier, paring about like that some of the

1589
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,319
advance things not being so sure about. I'm pticuarly on

1590
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,640
our brand is chaos, which I remember when I came out,

1591
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:45,760
just thinking this is a.

1592
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:46,960
Speaker 3: Bit I don't know.

1593
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 6: When I saw it was tracked too, I thought, I

1594
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:50,079
don't know if it's gonna I'm not am I gonna

1595
01:12:50,079 --> 01:12:52,479
be convinced By then, Literally all I needed to hear

1596
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,119
was Gallows And by the time that comes in, I go,

1597
01:12:54,199 --> 01:12:59,439
let's say what you want is this record is so

1598
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:03,520
at it and ferocious, Like I'm not even sure this

1599
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,399
is a metal core record, Like this just feels like

1600
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:10,520
a basically thoroughbred fucking metal record to me, Like it's

1601
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:13,640
so it might be the most metal thing they've done

1602
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:14,960
outside of like Declaration.

1603
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:17,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you don't know bleeding Through. They

1604
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:21,680
are basically the necrotic metalcore band, like they have long

1605
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,399
carved out a niche and flavor for themselves of metal

1606
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,159
core that is draped in the macabre, drawing tones from

1607
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:29,119
black metal and from goth and that's what kind of

1608
01:13:29,119 --> 01:13:31,520
makes them so delectable. But they do also come I

1609
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,960
think with this particular confrontational, no bones about it, take

1610
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:37,720
it or leave it sort of aggression that again you

1611
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,960
get in a fucking saramund sample, you get in that

1612
01:13:41,079 --> 01:13:44,479
kind of track that you're you're talking about there, Gallows

1613
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:48,199
is a kind of generic like I've definitely heard that

1614
01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:51,000
riff before, but it gets me so excited hearing it,

1615
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:54,439
and it just sounds cruel in a way that most

1616
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,000
bands playing that don't, which is the thing with Bleeding Through.

1617
01:13:57,079 --> 01:13:59,800
It's not just heavy, it's kind of vicious and sadistic,

1618
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:03,720
and it's I mean that it's lost. The thing that's

1619
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:05,680
some you know, their last two records, the Great Fire

1620
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:07,600
and Level Kill, all had which is riffs that sound

1621
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:09,600
really like a now on the thrack because of mc

1622
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:11,680
kenny being heavily involved in the making of those. But

1623
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,720
you've got here this kind of maximalist car compactor of

1624
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,640
a sound I mean this album. Maybe it's the very

1625
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:20,479
similar layout of the album cover that's putting it in

1626
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:21,880
my mind, but the way you hear like the last

1627
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,600
Knock Loose album and it's like about as over the

1628
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:26,800
top heavy you can imagine the tone of like a

1629
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,319
hardcore album like that being this has a bit of

1630
01:14:29,319 --> 01:14:31,079
that for that sort of two thousand's metal cores like

1631
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:34,479
it's unrelentingly bowel busting, and there are times on this

1632
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,880
record when they hit a burst of pace and it

1633
01:14:36,960 --> 01:14:40,560
is genuinely kind of awe inspiring in a way that

1634
01:14:41,159 --> 01:14:44,079
most bands like wish their metal was the fuck it

1635
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:46,079
the wind up for like the first twenty seconds of

1636
01:14:46,119 --> 01:14:50,640
Dead but So Alive and then it just goes and

1637
01:14:51,039 --> 01:14:54,000
the keys are going crazy in this like high pitch,

1638
01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:57,960
like this wide eyed panic to it legitimately made me

1639
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:01,039
think of acid, which also like kind of like Halloween,

1640
01:15:01,399 --> 01:15:04,319
you know, like Goblins and Ghoules tone on, but the

1641
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:09,920
absolute just pedal to the metal carnage of like flying It,

1642
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,119
you know we're talking about you know, the fall of

1643
01:15:11,159 --> 01:15:12,840
Us on Kill such with the Nile riff and stuff.

1644
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,439
You know, great, it would be the weakest track on

1645
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:19,880
this record. This thing is so just like teeth gnawingly

1646
01:15:20,079 --> 01:15:22,800
frenzied fucking rabbit, I.

1647
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:24,199
Speaker 4: Mean devs like that.

1648
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 5: We'll talk about again that that thing of like the

1649
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,640
chorus coming that's something stricting because that verse is so

1650
01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:33,359
frantic and fastest and extreme and like those like Keys

1651
01:15:33,399 --> 01:15:36,720
going absolutely like mento over it, and then you get

1652
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,119
that chorus which is like downcast and gothic and gloomy,

1653
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:42,159
but it saws coming out of it because again it

1654
01:15:42,279 --> 01:15:44,840
just that switch goes off and it's like a kind

1655
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:48,600
of momentous bleeding through chorus like when you're getting martyr

1656
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:50,920
or like doing the backing vocals on it, and that

1657
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:54,079
draoling vocal bit towards the end. It just is so

1658
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:57,039
propulsive and exactly and there's so much that across this album,

1659
01:15:57,079 --> 01:16:00,199
where this is like one of the most maximums sort

1660
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:02,640
of bleeding through albums. I think just every element of

1661
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:03,960
it is just kind of dared up to the max.

1662
01:16:04,199 --> 01:16:07,159
Our brand is chaos being the most kind of like fuggish,

1663
01:16:07,279 --> 01:16:10,640
this swinging beat down track, whether that chorus is just

1664
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:13,000
fuck with us and find out then you're getting that

1665
01:16:13,119 --> 01:16:16,800
well again, the Keys going absolutely mental is such a

1666
01:16:17,039 --> 01:16:19,520
fun contrast that like should have worked, but it sounds

1667
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:20,560
so fucking good.

1668
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just go to a debit so alive.

1669
01:16:23,239 --> 01:16:25,239
That was one of the songs that released as a

1670
01:16:25,279 --> 01:16:26,880
single I wasn't sure about and I think I was

1671
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:29,520
maybe like second guessing the vocal production on the chorus

1672
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,920
or something. But the turnaround I've made I love that

1673
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:36,000
chorus now and it's got that Baritoni goth edge. The

1674
01:16:36,079 --> 01:16:39,079
only Brandon really brings to like this style of medical

1675
01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:41,800
choruses and is like, you know, it's a motive. Our

1676
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,720
brand is chaos. Just to I know exactly where you're

1677
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,520
coming from, Elliot when you said like when you first

1678
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,359
heard that song, because I felt similarly. I think Bleeding Through.

1679
01:16:49,399 --> 01:16:51,920
I mean you think about fucking like BT twenty eighteen

1680
01:16:52,079 --> 01:16:54,439
starting you know, no Friends on the last one. Yeah,

1681
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,880
they you know, they made like the ultimate necro gym

1682
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,840
metal song. They have this tendency to do quite bone

1683
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:04,000
headed obnoxious songs, which is like, again it's almost a

1684
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,319
odds with like the flowery romantic side they do, but

1685
01:17:06,319 --> 01:17:08,319
they do have that thing in them. I mean you

1686
01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:10,399
go back to you know, the truth just starts with

1687
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,760
like oh I don't give a fuck, Like they skirt

1688
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,359
subtlety quite a lot when it comes to just clobbering

1689
01:17:15,439 --> 01:17:19,399
on you. And for me, it's the way we've said

1690
01:17:19,399 --> 01:17:22,960
this about slip Knot. It flirts with what, in the

1691
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:25,720
hands of many bands would be cringe, and you look

1692
01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:27,880
at that and you objectively almost go like, oh, you know,

1693
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:29,680
that should be cringe. But it's like you have to

1694
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:31,520
put your money where your mouth is, and when you

1695
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:35,079
play it like a motherfucker, then it it, you know,

1696
01:17:35,159 --> 01:17:38,119
it transcends that and just becomes hard as hell. And

1697
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:40,600
that is again the Bleeding Through trick that again only

1698
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,159
like a Slipknot, I think have kind of done in

1699
01:17:43,239 --> 01:17:45,600
quite the same way because the riff is the right

1700
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:47,760
level of obnoxious and the fact that it has just

1701
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:52,079
funeral church organs accenting that riff, which is the thing

1702
01:17:52,119 --> 01:17:55,479
that makes Bleeding Through is more basic riffs pop because

1703
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,039
they're backed with like summoning the demons of hell kind

1704
01:17:58,039 --> 01:17:59,279
of flavor to them.

1705
01:17:59,600 --> 01:18:01,960
Speaker 5: It's a bit that stopped our branders chaos being in

1706
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:05,520
a mule song, yeah, because that kind of just like

1707
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,479
slamming breakdown. He riffed with plus and find out that's

1708
01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:10,560
a mule That is what I'm your trade on, like,

1709
01:18:11,119 --> 01:18:13,359
but when Bleeding Through, you can like decorate it with

1710
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:17,760
these like grandiose organs and keys that kind of give

1711
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,319
you the perfect balance of pure like boneheaded muscular ignorance

1712
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:24,279
and gothic spookiness. Like it sounds great and you get

1713
01:18:24,279 --> 01:18:25,920
that break down with that big kind of just.

1714
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: Like guttle Despised Icon bit yeah almost pig squeal.

1715
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,920
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so good.

1716
01:18:33,319 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 6: I mean, one of my favorite things about this band

1717
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:37,920
is every time we talk about the reference points that

1718
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,199
come up, because just in the last minutes we've said

1719
01:18:40,199 --> 01:18:43,800
in Mure and Despised Icon. But when I was when

1720
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:45,439
I was I started writing numb bands in the mind,

1721
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:47,399
it's like dead but so alive. It sounds like strapping

1722
01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:52,079
young lad and maybe think of that hail destruction. It's

1723
01:18:52,119 --> 01:18:55,560
the most haunted house Bleeding Through song in forever.

1724
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:57,359
Speaker 3: It sounds like carrak Agrin.

1725
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:04,680
Speaker 6: But yeah, that was probably better. And then Emery like,

1726
01:19:05,359 --> 01:19:08,159
I don't I haven't thought about this band in a decade.

1727
01:19:08,279 --> 01:19:11,399
I was like, this sounds like if Draconian had beatdowns.

1728
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:14,359
Oh my god, this is It's not something I was

1729
01:19:14,359 --> 01:19:17,720
in the market for. But it's fucking brilliant and it's

1730
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,920
like most metal core bands, we might get excited to go,

1731
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,159
oh they've put some Iron Maiden leads in here, and

1732
01:19:23,159 --> 01:19:25,800
now it's like no, this is everything from like new

1733
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:30,359
metal death cores to symphonic fantasy black metal, and it's

1734
01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:31,920
all folded and mixed and it all makes sense.

1735
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, well you speak speaking of the leads.

1736
01:19:34,279 --> 01:19:36,800
There is the leads jumped out on me on this record,

1737
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:38,560
actually maybe more than some other Bleeding Through records. And

1738
01:19:38,720 --> 01:19:41,039
I don't know if it's the new guitarist that they've

1739
01:19:41,039 --> 01:19:42,640
been playing with the last few years, whether he's like

1740
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,640
to get involved with this record or something, but the

1741
01:19:44,720 --> 01:19:47,000
leads jumped out on this, and not in that kind

1742
01:19:47,039 --> 01:19:49,319
of Iron Maiden way. There are leads on this that

1743
01:19:49,399 --> 01:19:52,159
sound like Naughty's Tech Death, like the Faceless, like that

1744
01:19:52,199 --> 01:19:54,560
really kind of alien, tappy like strange.

1745
01:19:55,159 --> 01:19:55,319
Speaker 4: You know.

1746
01:19:55,319 --> 01:19:57,079
Speaker 1: There's one in Our Brand and Chaos that's like that

1747
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,560
Lost in Isolation has some end of held structure as

1748
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,079
like a full on fucking war abuse thing. And the

1749
01:20:03,119 --> 01:20:06,199
solos on this record they they feel expressive to me,

1750
01:20:06,319 --> 01:20:08,279
but not in like a swap one in, swap one

1751
01:20:08,279 --> 01:20:09,720
out way, like they feel like, you know, they've really

1752
01:20:10,199 --> 01:20:13,000
thought about what kind of lead would fit the tone

1753
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:14,680
of each particular chorus.

1754
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 5: I mean, the solo on Lost in Isolation is one

1755
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:22,199
that that really propels the song nicely. In the middle,

1756
01:20:23,199 --> 01:20:25,439
that song is like fucking great, like while I taking

1757
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,359
the sort of more of a lead on the sort

1758
01:20:27,359 --> 01:20:30,199
of the vocals that cold embrace or deadly grasp, like

1759
01:20:30,279 --> 01:20:31,520
hell yeah, this is peak goth.

1760
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,680
Speaker 4: It rocks. And then like I say, it just goes into.

1761
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 5: This chorus and you just kind of like that energy

1762
01:20:36,079 --> 01:20:38,079
just kind of finds a new level. And I think

1763
01:20:38,079 --> 01:20:39,239
that's the one where they do on this album is

1764
01:20:39,239 --> 01:20:41,000
they always kind of find new ways to kind of go, Okay,

1765
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,159
we've done like either this blast or this like kind

1766
01:20:44,159 --> 01:20:45,680
of be down a bit for so long. Now let's

1767
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,000
switch it up. Let's let's up the gothness or up

1768
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,720
the metal. Let's go melodic hardcore for one bit, like

1769
01:20:50,920 --> 01:20:52,479
all kind of like all these different things I'll pull

1770
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,439
on to just keep it really interesting and kind of

1771
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:56,439
not one note.

1772
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the record is largely just kind of

1773
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:01,960
all violence, go go go, but it has different strokes

1774
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,000
of the brush on it. Just what I was saying

1775
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:06,039
about the guitar leads is also true. For the keyboards,

1776
01:21:06,039 --> 01:21:08,520
which they don't just kind of slap one generic layer

1777
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:11,520
of like you know, spooky symphonic black metal keyboard or

1778
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:14,239
whatever over it. Sometimes they're you know Church organs. Sometimes

1779
01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:15,800
they're a little bit more sort of strings, you know,

1780
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,359
Cradle of Filth like. Sometimes they're just those ballistic, frenzied

1781
01:21:19,520 --> 01:21:21,640
things that we were talking about before, you know, kind

1782
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:23,560
of harkening back to like the you know, the famous

1783
01:21:23,640 --> 01:21:27,319
siren in The Love Loss and the hail of gunfire breakdown. Sometimes,

1784
01:21:27,319 --> 01:21:29,359
like in part of Her Disease is a really tasteful,

1785
01:21:29,359 --> 01:21:33,800
spooky piano line. So there's dexterity there. And the way

1786
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,000
they've promoted Marta up to like almost a co vocalist

1787
01:21:37,399 --> 01:21:39,880
on this album. I didn't see that coming, right, because

1788
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:42,840
she's done the odd backing vocal again like on the

1789
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:44,760
last album. But you know, she's been in the band

1790
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:47,880
for twenty years at this point, and now on their

1791
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:50,880
ninth album, they've gone, oh yeah, what if we, like,

1792
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:52,960
you know, bring forward this weapon that we have in

1793
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:54,920
our arsenal like a little bit more. It's the kind

1794
01:21:54,920 --> 01:21:58,159
of mix up an approach that you rarely actually see

1795
01:21:58,279 --> 01:22:00,600
from a band of their kind of ILK and and

1796
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,800
style like at this point being like, yeah, we're gonna

1797
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,239
just like fully bring this element out too the four

1798
01:22:05,319 --> 01:22:07,079
and she has moments that just makes me like punch

1799
01:22:07,119 --> 01:22:09,359
the air on it. The final chorus you were talking

1800
01:22:09,399 --> 01:22:11,640
about Sam when she's doing the lab or Dead but

1801
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:12,079
So Alive.

1802
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:15,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, that makes that song for me absolutely. I mean

1803
01:22:15,079 --> 01:22:16,720
that so incredible.

1804
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:20,279
Speaker 5: I think, like I Am Resistance like No Part five Disease,

1805
01:22:20,279 --> 01:22:22,640
where like they give her more of those vocal leads.

1806
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:24,840
I think such a great call in making that song

1807
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:28,560
stand up more because like, like well them lots but

1808
01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:30,720
Bluefood do have a kind of like a transisted sound

1809
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:33,880
of like what you expect from them, particularly with Brandon's vocals,

1810
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:35,760
you know, like he has that kind of like baritone,

1811
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:36,840
sort of clean vocal.

1812
01:22:37,279 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 4: All those just the most attic scream you're ever gonna get.

1813
01:22:40,319 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 5: But when you are like mixing in like Martin's like

1814
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,479
cleans and like, they sound great, like and they put

1815
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:47,239
you on the more gothic moments, they're such a like

1816
01:22:48,119 --> 01:22:49,840
added sort of like texture to it that makes it

1817
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,920
so much more interesting and a really cool choice to

1818
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:53,560
make on this album.

1819
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:55,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like on Lost in Isolation, her and

1820
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:57,239
Brandon had that almost like your kind of like goth

1821
01:22:57,279 --> 01:22:59,359
duet thing, which just really works, and Brandon doing more

1822
01:22:59,359 --> 01:23:01,479
of like the response it's backing vocal is a nice

1823
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,640
kind of reverse or how it might normally be. But

1824
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,159
I really appreciate just to go out to a path

1825
01:23:05,159 --> 01:23:08,199
of our disease. There's still like a creakiness in her

1826
01:23:08,279 --> 01:23:10,880
voice on that there's like a slightly off quality to

1827
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,479
the way she sings that chorus, which feeds into the

1828
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,279
kind of morbidity of the atmosphere. And she, you know,

1829
01:23:16,399 --> 01:23:20,520
for her first record doing it certainly this extensively. She

1830
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:22,119
takes to it like a duck to water, like not

1831
01:23:22,159 --> 01:23:24,319
just the singing, but like hitting the right notes of

1832
01:23:24,359 --> 01:23:26,199
creepiness to fit the atmosphere of the band and not

1833
01:23:26,239 --> 01:23:28,119
the derail it. It's just it's a brilliant trick that

1834
01:23:28,119 --> 01:23:30,439
they've just like now brought out to this degree.

1835
01:23:31,319 --> 01:23:33,039
Speaker 6: I think, I just see, I'm so impressed by a

1836
01:23:33,079 --> 01:23:36,359
band we've been around for this long. At this point,

1837
01:23:36,520 --> 01:23:38,680
even if you're not going to make your classic record,

1838
01:23:38,680 --> 01:23:40,439
I would like to have you put out records where

1839
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:41,800
you go, oh that's the record where they did this,

1840
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,760
or there was this on it, or something like this,

1841
01:23:44,039 --> 01:23:48,319
and this record, frankly, there's enough on here which would

1842
01:23:48,359 --> 01:23:50,359
make it distinct if they hadn't brought into the four

1843
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:54,399
And it's maybe the most significant change they've made. It's

1844
01:23:55,079 --> 01:23:57,760
it's totally befitting of the other change they made by

1845
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:00,800
pushing the extremity, and so we'll now we're going to

1846
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,800
add this element which sort of shuckstaposes and brings it

1847
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:07,840
out the other way. It's it's as much as of

1848
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:11,319
this band have always been inventive. It I was surprised

1849
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:13,399
by that sort that kind of leap, yeah, because.

1850
01:24:13,159 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 1: Again you go back to when we did the special

1851
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:16,399
on it, and we kind of said that about almost

1852
01:24:16,399 --> 01:24:17,840
every single record we did. It's like, this is the

1853
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,560
one has this certain kind of flavor to it or

1854
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,760
within that general bleeding through kind of house that they

1855
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,600
exist in. And I guess, you know, if that wasn't

1856
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,560
a feature on this record, you might talk about, for example,

1857
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:31,159
the three songs that have guest vocalists on this album,

1858
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,199
all of which are kind of immediately of bleeding through

1859
01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:37,680
his peer group, not just an era, but in terms

1860
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:40,319
of like popularity, which is kind of a nice touch.

1861
01:24:40,399 --> 01:24:42,600
Like none of the guests features here are Jesse Leach,

1862
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:46,600
Matt Hayfey, Randy Blive. Right, it's almost like the the

1863
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,319
B and C tier of their like direct peers of

1864
01:24:49,319 --> 01:24:51,119
the kind of two thousands of metal and hardcore scene.

1865
01:24:51,159 --> 01:24:53,199
And I love that about it because almost like a

1866
01:24:53,399 --> 01:24:56,520
you know, it's a celebration of the kind of you know,

1867
01:24:57,119 --> 01:25:00,079
that level of kind of fame band I suppose, and

1868
01:25:00,079 --> 01:25:02,760
it's really brilliant. I mean, it made happy that, you know,

1869
01:25:02,840 --> 01:25:04,920
we avoided a fill l Bonti appearance, who maybe could

1870
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:08,159
have fit that, but the God Forbid guy on Lost

1871
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:12,239
in Isolation and that breakdown is hilariously to fucking cool.

1872
01:25:12,279 --> 01:25:15,760
Aid Man just absolutely that's how you execute it. Just

1873
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:20,239
shit me. Wartime with with Brian from Shadows Fall, really

1874
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,279
a lot of momentum on that song, just really flying

1875
01:25:23,359 --> 01:25:26,560
across those rhythms. The record overall flies by with this

1876
01:25:26,680 --> 01:25:29,920
like surge of just purpose but the stroke of magic.

1877
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:34,720
The song with Andrew from Comeback Kid fucking standing ovation.

1878
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 5: Bravo, honestly them going full on like melodic hardcore in

1879
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,239
the pace and just adding the keys. I'm like, I like,

1880
01:25:42,279 --> 01:25:44,079
i mean, I'm like, you know, coming in again. One

1881
01:25:44,079 --> 01:25:45,920
of my favorite brands I'm bad. I love and like

1882
01:25:46,840 --> 01:25:49,119
basically doing a comeback Kid song with him, but adding

1883
01:25:49,159 --> 01:25:52,319
these like gothic keys, having like the vocal trade off

1884
01:25:52,359 --> 01:25:55,000
of that kind of like hardcore passing the micath and

1885
01:25:55,039 --> 01:25:56,279
you're kind of getting the big on the like the

1886
01:25:56,359 --> 01:25:58,600
chorus and like doing these kind of stomping about with it.

1887
01:25:59,079 --> 01:26:01,079
I think this song is just like crack to me.

1888
01:26:01,119 --> 01:26:03,159
I'm just like so hooked on it. I can't get anything.

1889
01:26:03,319 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: This is the song that on my first listen to

1890
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:06,079
the album when I was getting used to most of

1891
01:26:06,079 --> 01:26:08,520
the song just completely blew me away, Like I can't

1892
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,319
handle how exciting this song is.

1893
01:26:11,079 --> 01:26:14,039
Speaker 6: I think, like in the case of Wartime and the

1894
01:26:14,079 --> 01:26:17,600
God Forbid One, Yeah, like those are kind of more

1895
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,680
in the bleeding through Wheelhouse that blewed through a lot

1896
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,399
more than those bands, but those things that all the

1897
01:26:21,399 --> 01:26:23,319
flavor of it, they're kind of a lot of cordicer

1898
01:26:23,319 --> 01:26:26,680
that Comeback Kid do is sort of enough of a

1899
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:28,960
stretch where it really does. It's the one of the

1900
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,640
three thing that feels like I'm meeting in the mines

1901
01:26:31,079 --> 01:26:34,479
and I'm amazed at how seamless it feels transitioning out

1902
01:26:34,479 --> 01:26:36,039
of the other stuff because you know, the other reference

1903
01:26:36,039 --> 01:26:39,239
points we've raised are so far away from that, and

1904
01:26:39,359 --> 01:26:43,039
suddenly it's not runaway ghost Train. It's like grabbing the

1905
01:26:43,119 --> 01:26:48,640
mic at Outbreak, And for just those few minutes it's so.

1906
01:26:50,079 --> 01:26:50,720
Speaker 3: Emboldening.

1907
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's like Outbreak was full of vampires.

1908
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, an outbreak of vampirism. I mean, for a start,

1909
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,479
the opening few seconds with the since generally for a

1910
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:01,439
moment to me sound like a cross face song, like

1911
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,159
it's kind of hyping up like a and then it's

1912
01:27:04,199 --> 01:27:07,000
that again, almost d beat or something like just that

1913
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:09,760
it's so exhilarating the way it pulls you along, like

1914
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,800
when was the last time again? Any band like this

1915
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:14,479
wrote an out and out hardcore song like this, and

1916
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:17,479
not just a thuggy hardcore song, but a pacey hardcore

1917
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:21,000
song with this much energy, and you have the keys

1918
01:27:21,079 --> 01:27:24,039
on it, which have almost that sort of declaration style

1919
01:27:24,199 --> 01:27:27,319
like worrying fan, too fucking hot to get a handle on,

1920
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:30,399
and the chorus is just absolute bag like that. That

1921
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,399
is the best song of twenty twenty five so far,

1922
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:34,720
Like I cannot get enough of it. It is such

1923
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:39,000
an absolute walloper of a track. It's just a perfect

1924
01:27:39,039 --> 01:27:41,359
meeting of the things that like if you saw Bleed

1925
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:43,279
Through featuring Comeback in, what would you want.

1926
01:27:43,079 --> 01:27:43,399
Speaker 3: It to be?

1927
01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 4: Lily?

1928
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:45,079
Speaker 1: You want this?

1929
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,119
Speaker 5: That is exactly when I saw there was like Andrey

1930
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:50,800
from The Big Files was like, oh come on, And

1931
01:27:51,039 --> 01:27:53,560
and like Danueally for Shung songs is kind of like

1932
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:54,199
he does it all the time.

1933
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:56,079
Speaker 4: He pops up everywhere. He's one of those vocalists you

1934
01:27:56,079 --> 01:27:56,640
know you.

1935
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:58,159
Speaker 5: Can just get into a guest spot and it all turn

1936
01:27:58,199 --> 01:28:00,079
up and you'll always kill it. But this is one

1937
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:02,920
of these most like fully featured, like full on duet

1938
01:28:03,039 --> 01:28:06,159
songs or like and it just sounds so incredible and

1939
01:28:06,199 --> 01:28:08,960
it just it is exactingly and again just me of

1940
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:12,479
two bands I love coming together to just absolutely deliver

1941
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:16,119
the exact fusion of their sounds I want and hit

1942
01:28:16,199 --> 01:28:17,359
it so far out of the past.

1943
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:21,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's there's nothing tentative about the album, the

1944
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:23,760
kind of creative touches like where and when they decide

1945
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:26,680
to utilize different things. It's all just like fully committed to.

1946
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,359
The melodies are consistently top drawer again, like tracks like

1947
01:28:29,359 --> 01:28:31,239
Emery later on it's like, oh yeah, here's another really

1948
01:28:31,239 --> 01:28:34,920
really great chorus. It's all unmistakably bleeding Through, but it's

1949
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:38,680
not identicate, and no one was playing as hard as

1950
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:40,960
bleeding Through in this lane back of the two thousands

1951
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,680
you know on this is Lover's murderous on declaration. The

1952
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,159
fact that The Truth is seen as their kind of

1953
01:28:45,239 --> 01:28:47,000
radio record from that classic era, and so.

1954
01:28:47,479 --> 01:28:50,960
Speaker 4: Is so funny that album is like the sellout records.

1955
01:28:50,039 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 1: And seventy five percent of it sounds like Slayer. Really

1956
01:28:53,319 --> 01:28:55,359
none of their peers are playing as hard as this now.

1957
01:28:55,399 --> 01:28:59,079
I mean, this is a fucking absolute barking dog of

1958
01:28:59,119 --> 01:29:02,840
a thing. And I mean, I don't know what people

1959
01:29:02,840 --> 01:29:04,680
could say. I mean, I would say it's actually closer

1960
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,279
than I maybe would have even expected it to be.

1961
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:09,000
But like if you were to say or Bleeding Through

1962
01:29:09,039 --> 01:29:11,479
his last two albums since they've come back, this could

1963
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:13,199
be the second best, right because level killer is a

1964
01:29:13,279 --> 01:29:16,920
very high bar. It's almost just expected of Bleeding Through

1965
01:29:17,039 --> 01:29:20,439
to be this kind of cataclysmic, but it's It's better

1966
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:22,800
than any Kills which Engage album released since Disalm the Descent.

1967
01:29:23,079 --> 01:29:24,880
It's better than any Lamb of God record in over

1968
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,720
a decade. Even Trivia, who have maintained the level of

1969
01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:32,159
quality they aren't like ravenous like this, They aren't terrifying

1970
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,800
anything else that that sort of you know, mid tier

1971
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:36,720
of new over American heavy metal bands have done. Of like,

1972
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:40,000
it's not even in the same stratosphere as this, it's

1973
01:29:40,039 --> 01:29:42,439
still relevant to the kind of revival metalcre that is

1974
01:29:42,439 --> 01:29:44,199
all the rage. You know, we reviewed a Dying Wish

1975
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:46,920
track earlier. You can still look to Bleeding Through as

1976
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,640
kind of bringing the ruckus and competing on that level.

1977
01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:51,920
But this is the first album this year that I've

1978
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,760
just wanted to listen to, like again and again. I've

1979
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,319
got a moment. Let's put the Bleeding Through album on.

1980
01:29:56,319 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I mean, in a way, I'm like,

1981
01:29:58,119 --> 01:29:59,880
it is a shame that I have to turn to

1982
01:30:00,039 --> 01:30:02,039
you have to turn to the sort of band of

1983
01:30:02,039 --> 01:30:05,239
like veteran level with metal cord to be excited by it.

1984
01:30:05,359 --> 01:30:07,600
But when I just look at what is going on

1985
01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,720
all around sort of in metalcore and how soulless it

1986
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:13,279
all sounds. When I can hear them, when I can

1987
01:30:13,279 --> 01:30:14,640
put this bing for album on, and I can just

1988
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:19,560
be like blown away by something that sounds exciting and energized,

1989
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:24,319
exhilarating and scary and spooky and just so violent and

1990
01:30:24,399 --> 01:30:26,960
just nothing feel about it feels shy or shrinking. It's

1991
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,159
so dial up to the MAXs at all times, and

1992
01:30:29,319 --> 01:30:31,520
they don't think they're too cool for anything, and it

1993
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:34,600
just every element about it is just designed to just

1994
01:30:35,319 --> 01:30:37,600
hit like some set of all the positives on theones

1995
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:37,960
in my brain.

1996
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 4: It's like, this is what music is, this is what

1997
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:40,319
excites me.

1998
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:43,199
Speaker 5: And I'm so glad that, like, even if you have

1999
01:30:43,239 --> 01:30:44,680
to wait a while from now that Bleeding Through can

2000
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:46,600
come back. And if it's just gonna be a shouting

2001
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:48,520
about this being the best thing going on a metal

2002
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:52,000
corp right now, so be it. But like you, if

2003
01:30:52,039 --> 01:30:53,840
you have not got on with Bleeding For at this point,

2004
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:57,439
you are missing out on a band to have sort

2005
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,560
of so rarely put a foot wrong, and it's just

2006
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:01,600
like such a trait.

2007
01:31:02,439 --> 01:31:05,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think you've kind of explained there why I'm

2008
01:31:05,399 --> 01:31:07,399
always hesitant to even call it a metal core record,

2009
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:10,640
because metal core is so boring now and I put

2010
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:12,680
this on and go, well, no, this is exciting and

2011
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:16,039
thrilling and engaging and inventive. It can't possibly be the

2012
01:31:16,079 --> 01:31:19,359
same thing, but it just sort of shows up all

2013
01:31:19,399 --> 01:31:22,039
those other bands, contemporary and classics. To be honest, we're

2014
01:31:22,079 --> 01:31:25,399
still doing it where it's like you're getting lapped boys

2015
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:29,319
like Bleeding Through And just like I said, I this

2016
01:31:29,359 --> 01:31:30,840
is the first Pinion Through records come out since I've

2017
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,800
become a fan. And even though that's sort of the height

2018
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:36,479
of my excitement for it, it's better than that. It's

2019
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,880
just this thing is like say, it's one of the

2020
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:40,119
albums of the year so far.

2021
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a whole lot better than Blink when eighty

2022
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:47,119
two is nine Bleeding Through. Next up, we have another

2023
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:50,800
big moment in metal and a big moment for samdig

2024
01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:54,039
Non because we are blessed with a new album from

2025
01:31:54,159 --> 01:31:59,239
Dream Theater Parasomnia. It's the six deeph album from Dream Theater. Sam,

2026
01:31:59,279 --> 01:32:05,439
you listen to all six Yeah, no, there's sixteen Dreamer

2027
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,359
abs and still on the only ones when the this

2028
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:09,520
was the fucking astonishing. Yeah, there is a lot of

2029
01:32:09,640 --> 01:32:13,960
this one. Dream Theater are maybe the most like quintessential

2030
01:32:14,359 --> 01:32:17,560
prog metal band on the planet. Like their emergence in

2031
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:20,960
the early nineties really defined that scene and that sound

2032
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,600
for better or for worse, you know, they changed metal

2033
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:28,560
like They are undoubtedly a significant, significant band and with

2034
01:32:28,640 --> 01:32:31,000
their classic era that the drumming and the kind of

2035
01:32:31,159 --> 01:32:33,680
I think particularly even more so the musical and conceptual

2036
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:36,560
involvement of Mike Portnoy was a big part of the identity.

2037
01:32:36,920 --> 01:32:40,920
Parasomna is a noteworthy record for Dream Theater because it

2038
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:43,720
is the first album with Mike Portnoy returning to the

2039
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,000
kit after his departure in twenty and ten. So it's

2040
01:32:47,039 --> 01:32:48,840
over fifteen years since the last time we had a

2041
01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,640
Portnoy Dream the record, and that just has a kind

2042
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:54,960
of uh, you know, creative relationship. We spoke a bit

2043
01:32:55,000 --> 01:32:56,880
about this back, you know, at the end of twenty

2044
01:32:56,880 --> 01:32:59,079
twenty three. I think it was when Portnoy rejoined, Me

2045
01:32:59,159 --> 01:33:02,000
and Elliott were like, even as people who are not

2046
01:33:02,039 --> 01:33:04,199
necessarily like you know, dedicated at all time to the

2047
01:33:04,239 --> 01:33:06,520
Dream Theater, cause we did take stock of it as like,

2048
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:10,359
oh shit, because the schism of Portnoy and Dream Theater

2049
01:33:10,760 --> 01:33:13,479
was almost one of those moments that like, I became

2050
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,560
a full on follower of what was going on in

2051
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:17,760
metal music kind of between around two thousand and nine

2052
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:20,239
and twenty ten, and some of those big cultural events

2053
01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:23,560
I remember happening are like Pete Steel dying, Doo dying,

2054
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:26,039
the rev dying and Mike Portnoy leaving Dream Theater and

2055
01:33:26,039 --> 01:33:27,600
then drumming for events some of old it was like,

2056
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,960
you know, an early moment, and to have that almost

2057
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,039
like come full circle fifteen years later, was like, oh shit,

2058
01:33:33,159 --> 01:33:34,520
you know some time has passed.

2059
01:33:36,199 --> 01:33:37,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think to me.

2060
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 6: As someone who, like I said, I'm not a huge

2061
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:43,079
Dream Theater fan. I think they've got some very good records,

2062
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:45,680
but you know, they've been a punchline for a while,

2063
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:50,039
and I'm I'm not sure it's unfair because they haven't

2064
01:33:50,039 --> 01:33:53,000
put out Not all their records are great, but all

2065
01:33:53,079 --> 01:33:56,560
the records that are greats have Portnoy on them. And

2066
01:33:56,600 --> 01:33:58,199
if I was ever gonna be excited about a Dream

2067
01:33:58,239 --> 01:34:01,119
Theater album ever again, he would have to come back.

2068
01:34:01,199 --> 01:34:03,039
And I just sort of wrote off because he's so busy,

2069
01:34:03,239 --> 01:34:04,800
Like he's been friends with the other members of the

2070
01:34:04,840 --> 01:34:06,840
band for so long, so if it was going to happen,

2071
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,640
it would have happened by now. So when that press

2072
01:34:10,680 --> 01:34:13,520
thing came out, going you know, he's back in the band,

2073
01:34:14,119 --> 01:34:18,600
I almost despite not being that unbelievable, I kind of

2074
01:34:18,640 --> 01:34:19,359
didn't believe it.

2075
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I when I said we were going to

2076
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:24,840
review this, Sam was actually like, oh for real, I

2077
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:28,119
thought you were joking. But you know, if we were

2078
01:34:28,119 --> 01:34:30,159
going to review a dream Fitter record, it would be

2079
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:32,920
this one because it is the most you know, notable

2080
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,840
change about them in you know, some time. Their last

2081
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,479
two albums, the ones released since I think the last

2082
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:40,800
time their album of there has got a slot on

2083
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:42,880
this show was The Astonishing you know, almost ten years

2084
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:47,279
ago and really one of the funniest flop creative decision

2085
01:34:47,319 --> 01:34:50,000
records released in that decade. The last two they've really

2086
01:34:50,039 --> 01:34:51,399
since There, I mean, they won a Grammy for one

2087
01:34:51,399 --> 01:34:54,119
of them. If you remember they are they're much better

2088
01:34:54,159 --> 01:34:57,159
than The Astonishing, right, Like that is a sort of

2089
01:34:57,199 --> 01:35:00,399
a one off moment of catastrophe for them. But neither

2090
01:35:00,399 --> 01:35:02,800
of those records have particularly you know, stuck around too

2091
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:06,199
much or let the world on fire, Sam, Dream Theater

2092
01:35:06,359 --> 01:35:08,279
are a band it's easy to hate. I have my

2093
01:35:08,279 --> 01:35:10,039
own feelings about them. That again I can I can

2094
01:35:10,039 --> 01:35:12,800
share with Elliott. They have a lot of haters. For you,

2095
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:16,079
I understand where you're talking about. Is it an exaggeration

2096
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:18,279
say one of your least favorite bands of all time?

2097
01:35:20,119 --> 01:35:23,680
Speaker 5: Well, I mean they have pulled me under, like I

2098
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,159
do they have pulled me under so that that kind

2099
01:35:25,199 --> 01:35:31,079
of keeps them off that very they also have James LaBrie.

2100
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 4: Is you know it's a principle like I have.

2101
01:35:33,319 --> 01:35:36,640
Speaker 5: I have multiple like Dream Theater friends who have tried

2102
01:35:37,039 --> 01:35:39,039
to make me not hate this band. They were like, oh,

2103
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:41,319
we know The Astonishing is a like casual.

2104
01:35:41,079 --> 01:35:43,399
Speaker 4: Disaster, but you know, is it Metropolis?

2105
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:45,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, or like your likes some of them And I

2106
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,880
was like, no, I won't and one of like one

2107
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:50,880
of the other like non Portnoy ones, the one that's

2108
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:53,439
got like I think just like the sort of dark blue.

2109
01:35:53,159 --> 01:35:55,520
Speaker 4: Cover, like the logo on it, like that one like that.

2110
01:35:55,800 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 5: I've listened to multiple dream fare abams that aren't The Astonishing,

2111
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:00,640
Like they have really tried, and I will give them

2112
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:03,880
pull me under, but I will not give them anything else.

2113
01:36:04,079 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, just the self Tutter record, which one you mentioned

2114
01:36:06,039 --> 01:36:08,680
with the covers, the the one non Portnite which had

2115
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:09,640
a few songs on it where I was like, this

2116
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:11,840
is a bit of a banger. But I've realized that

2117
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:14,600
as much as I might like to antagonoze you with this,

2118
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:17,840
I don't actually like Dream Theater as much as I

2119
01:36:17,960 --> 01:36:20,960
maybe thought I once did. Even historically. And what I

2120
01:36:21,039 --> 01:36:24,239
mean is I don't actually really love Dream Theater albums

2121
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:26,479
like that. They have songs that I think are great,

2122
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:28,720
and they do have somethings from different you know, pockets

2123
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:30,640
and phase of their career, even a couple again from

2124
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:32,439
the kind of the mid twenty ten years, like you

2125
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:35,520
were just saying, but I can't say there's a Dream

2126
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:39,960
Theater album that I really truly hold it because even

2127
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:41,800
like you know, Metropolis Part two, which is often their

2128
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:44,720
kind of most critically revered album that's like their their

2129
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,239
Latteralis or their Blackwater Park sound. I appreciate, but I

2130
01:36:48,239 --> 01:36:50,640
can't say it'd be anywhere near my personal list of

2131
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:52,159
you know, the greatest met labs of all time, and

2132
01:36:52,199 --> 01:36:54,680
there are bits of it that I really know, and

2133
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:56,560
I think the closest I think I'd get would be

2134
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,399
images and Words. I do like that kind of early

2135
01:36:59,479 --> 01:37:03,760
nineties slightly more heavy metal based sound the most, but

2136
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,600
even that, there's not another song on it anywhere near

2137
01:37:06,640 --> 01:37:08,039
as good as Pull Me Under, right, Like I put

2138
01:37:08,039 --> 01:37:09,479
this on my Instagram story the other day, but like

2139
01:37:09,479 --> 01:37:12,439
it's wild. It's wild that a band who can write

2140
01:37:12,439 --> 01:37:14,479
a heavy metal song as perfect as Pull me under

2141
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:18,159
never really bother to do it again. And if if

2142
01:37:18,399 --> 01:37:20,319
you know, people out there who make a big deal

2143
01:37:20,359 --> 01:37:23,159
out are being too cool for progue, those people hate

2144
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:25,600
on Rush, get the fuck out of it. I'm affronted

2145
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:29,159
even in you know, metal and Dream Theatre's kind of

2146
01:37:29,159 --> 01:37:31,560
more immediate peer group, like bands like never More or

2147
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:34,159
like classic era Queen's Rick or something obviously of course

2148
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:37,479
Opeth like. I know that those people will not see

2149
01:37:37,479 --> 01:37:40,000
heaven and that I am more enlightened than them, but

2150
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:43,760
the Dream Theater I get it. And while I do

2151
01:37:43,960 --> 01:37:47,600
like a good bit of material, I can't really muster

2152
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:50,119
much of a defense because I'm just as often inclined

2153
01:37:50,159 --> 01:37:52,720
to agree with the exact things that they say about them.

2154
01:37:54,640 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2155
01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:55,760
Speaker 1: I think.

2156
01:37:57,760 --> 01:37:59,359
Speaker 6: This is the thing that I've sort of discovered as well,

2157
01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:03,760
is that even the quote unquote classic Dream Theater years,

2158
01:38:04,279 --> 01:38:07,800
you listen to those records, and sometimes even someone who

2159
01:38:08,199 --> 01:38:10,680
you know I have quite the stomach for progue and

2160
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,840
for virtuosity and you know, prog nonsense. And there were

2161
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,000
times where even I I was sort of like pinching

2162
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:19,239
the bridge in my nose and just going, oh please.

2163
01:38:19,039 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: They made roughly sexy, like what the fuck.

2164
01:38:24,720 --> 01:38:25,479
Speaker 4: I think like in.

2165
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:27,680
Speaker 6: Terms of like the good records, for me, the two

2166
01:38:27,720 --> 01:38:30,560
stands are images and words, and I quite like Train

2167
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:33,319
of Thought, which is sort of the dark, heavier one,

2168
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:37,079
and I think like they've got loads of great moments.

2169
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:39,399
Maybe not loads, it's got a bunch of great moments

2170
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:42,720
throughout the port Noir years, but like you say, just

2171
01:38:42,760 --> 01:38:46,399
as often as they're great in that time, they're just

2172
01:38:46,560 --> 01:38:48,399
sort of annoying. And it's not just a matter of

2173
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:50,279
like other music's rape, but it's James Librie. It's like

2174
01:38:50,279 --> 01:38:54,479
now the music is also quite often annoying. I think Metropolis,

2175
01:38:55,399 --> 01:38:56,880
I think with full house on that, I think it's

2176
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:01,840
one of the most overrated classic metal records maybe ever.

2177
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:06,039
I've never really understood why that is the one people

2178
01:39:06,079 --> 01:39:07,880
go for, because I know people who don't like Dream Theater,

2179
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:12,439
they go, well, obviously Metropolis's great, that's the that's.

2180
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:13,119
Speaker 3: Often just as annoying.

2181
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:16,720
Speaker 1: The ballad at the end is one of the one

2182
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:19,920
of the wettest thinkers in the history of like actually

2183
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:21,079
popular metal ballads.

2184
01:39:21,199 --> 01:39:23,119
Speaker 5: I think like dream Fitter closes the way, then the

2185
01:39:23,119 --> 01:39:26,399
records might be my personal hell, well we would get

2186
01:39:26,399 --> 01:39:27,319
onto yeah, Like.

2187
01:39:28,439 --> 01:39:32,000
Speaker 1: The last Open album for example, a cartoonish example of

2188
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,000
what's great about prog. Right, all that eccentricity is its flight.

2189
01:39:35,039 --> 01:39:36,640
The fancy is all brilliant. I love it.

2190
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:38,399
Speaker 4: I like that album even more.

2191
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:40,279
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna say off the back of this, I've

2192
01:39:40,319 --> 01:39:41,680
gone that open album is fucking great.

2193
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I say Dream Theater are almost a cartoonish

2194
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:46,159
example at their worst of what's bad about you know,

2195
01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:48,920
progue in the context of metal and I I didn't

2196
01:39:48,920 --> 01:39:52,640
know where my expectations would be for this because you know,

2197
01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:54,880
the last album that Portnoy's on, Black Clouds and Silver

2198
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:57,399
Linings as a couple of the dream Fitter tracks that

2199
01:39:57,439 --> 01:39:59,000
I do have in my personal sort of list of

2200
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:02,600
like the ones I really really but it is it's

2201
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:05,239
too baked into their DNA that they would also do

2202
01:40:05,319 --> 01:40:08,560
some shit that's naff as well. And it's not just Portnoy,

2203
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:11,239
you know, being present that stops that from happening, because

2204
01:40:11,279 --> 01:40:14,720
like we've said, it's it's always happened, and there's a

2205
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:16,800
sort of feeling that even when Dream Theater are on

2206
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:19,359
a comparatively normal track, you can kind of hear the

2207
01:40:19,399 --> 01:40:21,840
band that made the Astonishing in there, Like you know,

2208
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:24,520
they've got that in them, and you know, we've got

2209
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:27,880
a concept here about sleep and sleep paralysis and nightmares,

2210
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:29,840
and you already know it's not gonna be a byss

2211
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:31,680
by Chelsea Wolf. Is it Like it's gonna be Dream

2212
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:34,960
Theatre's interpretation of that. And you can tell that from

2213
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:37,039
the Shike cover, which is so like it's like their

2214
01:40:37,119 --> 01:40:40,039
art direction has not it always like it may be nostalgic.

2215
01:40:40,079 --> 01:40:42,039
I was like, I can't believe a Dream Theatre album

2216
01:40:42,079 --> 01:40:45,119
cover from the two thousands has been unearthed and is

2217
01:40:45,199 --> 01:40:48,000
still here. I thought we'd move past covers like.

2218
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,479
Speaker 4: That, I mean, and that's things even had a note

2219
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:50,920
of this record.

2220
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:53,079
Speaker 5: I see that cover, I see the title Parasomnia, and

2221
01:40:53,159 --> 01:40:56,439
I was like, fuck off, you like arrogant pricks, Like

2222
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,159
I like, it's the most like, Oh, we're gonna be

2223
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:01,840
so deep talking about sleep and evil dark things that

2224
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:02,880
happened in your dreams.

2225
01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:04,760
Speaker 4: Oh I hate.

2226
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,600
Speaker 6: So much and dreamed this or like the ultimate cases.

2227
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,000
But I love the band Zoo. They do like concept albums,

2228
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,560
and they make no effort to weave the concept into

2229
01:41:12,600 --> 01:41:16,359
like the sonic into play of the music. Because another band,

2230
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:20,960
if Tuol or Mogua or whoever, like sig and I'm

2231
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:24,840
about sleep and sleep paralysis. It would be this unnerving,

2232
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,920
patient sort of meditative like low ed and you're listening

2233
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:34,000
to this.

2234
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:35,039
Speaker 4: This is is like that is my sleep paralysis right there, like.

2235
01:41:35,439 --> 01:41:36,800
Speaker 3: James Liberty at the end of the Bed.

2236
01:41:40,439 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think ultimately this record it almost handed to

2237
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:47,000
me like the exact record that they could have made

2238
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:50,000
directly after the last one that Portnoy was on, Like

2239
01:41:50,039 --> 01:41:52,479
it's like no time has kind of changed at all.

2240
01:41:52,600 --> 01:41:54,720
And for some people that would be an absolutely glowing

2241
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,560
like they've plugged right back into the classic year. You know.

2242
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,479
For me, it's kind of the pros and co of like,

2243
01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:03,119
you know, dream theater in the two thousands, they had

2244
01:42:03,159 --> 01:42:05,520
some good stuff and they had some kind of naught stuff,

2245
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:08,239
because that's just dream theater at all times, every day

2246
01:42:08,279 --> 01:42:10,560
of their life. So you know, a few of the

2247
01:42:10,640 --> 01:42:13,239
riffs on this thing, I'll say that they go there,

2248
01:42:13,279 --> 01:42:15,399
they're pretty good, and then there are other things where

2249
01:42:15,439 --> 01:42:18,119
you go that's just dream theater at it again. I

2250
01:42:18,920 --> 01:42:24,279
was actually almost for as kind of exhausting dream theater

2251
01:42:24,359 --> 01:42:27,640
can be, there was something very familiar about like, yeah,

2252
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:29,840
I just this is exactly what I would expect dream

2253
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:34,199
theater to be doing in this situation. Yeah, that basically

2254
01:42:34,239 --> 01:42:36,840
captures it, to be honest, because it's like nostalgia's exactly

2255
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:38,359
the word, which is odd to say about a new

2256
01:42:38,359 --> 01:42:41,119
album because you're listening to it and it's you can

2257
01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:42,760
tell port noise back on the drums, But I think

2258
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:44,359
it makes a huge difference, not just to the songwriter,

2259
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:45,399
but like his performance.

2260
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:50,199
Speaker 3: You can say he's clearly more of a rocker time.

2261
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 5: On the drums. It feels like the amount of drums

2262
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,760
he is playing, Oh yes, this record, like he's every

2263
01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:55,479
drummer everything.

2264
01:42:55,600 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 1: He'd been playing an adrenaline more but he's like, ah,

2265
01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:02,359
I missed my twenty four toms. Like he does play

2266
01:43:02,399 --> 01:43:05,800
with the sort of explosiveness that Mangenie, you know, like

2267
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:07,399
the Berkeley Lecturer didn't.

2268
01:43:07,159 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 3: Have, And I think that's one of the reasons that

2269
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:09,760
amon sound is so tired.

2270
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 1: So this record.

2271
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,920
Speaker 6: Listening to it, I was kind of smiling pretty much

2272
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:14,920
all the way through it, and at the end, I

2273
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:18,960
was like, Oh, the boys are back, Thank God, that's over.

2274
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:24,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like, you know, it's got an overture track

2275
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:26,880
of kind of galloping riffs and sincelo and stuff. It

2276
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:28,640
starts like a big eight string at the start with

2277
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:32,119
the alarm clock, you know, for the concept, and that

2278
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:34,399
you know that big eight string. It's heavier than I

2279
01:43:34,439 --> 01:43:37,600
remember Dream Theater being in like you know, a good

2280
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:41,960
old while overture track is pretty dumb for the record,

2281
01:43:41,960 --> 01:43:43,520
like it has a heavy riff in there, but it's

2282
01:43:43,560 --> 01:43:44,680
such a wanky introduction.

2283
01:43:45,079 --> 01:43:47,439
Speaker 5: Again, I'm, you know, musical theater person. I'm always down

2284
01:43:47,439 --> 01:43:49,159
for an overchorge, you know, get me in the mood.

2285
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:52,359
And I was just like, okay, cool that there's like

2286
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:55,079
I think that the guitar tone that there's no crunch

2287
01:43:55,159 --> 01:43:56,760
or power to it when it's trying to be heavy.

2288
01:43:57,239 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 4: And then you get fucking keyboards.

2289
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:00,199
Speaker 5: So and I'm just like, ah, for fox sake, i

2290
01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:01,720
haven't even heard a note of vocals, but I'm like,

2291
01:44:01,880 --> 01:44:04,239
then again, it's James le Brae, keep the keyboard silo.

2292
01:44:05,279 --> 01:44:06,960
Speaker 1: There are a lot of keyboard sellers on this record.

2293
01:44:07,399 --> 01:44:08,560
Speaker 4: Keyboard sellers on this record.

2294
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:11,159
Speaker 1: And then we get into Night Terror and it would

2295
01:44:11,319 --> 01:44:15,399
it's almost the exact kind of like every prog metal

2296
01:44:15,399 --> 01:44:17,239
band since Dream Theater's started it right, which is one

2297
01:44:17,239 --> 01:44:18,560
of you know, one of their kind of things that

2298
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:21,760
they do is like you can say, this hasn't changed

2299
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:23,560
in thirty five years, but they are kind of, you know,

2300
01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,439
the inventors of a certain thing. But like the stock

2301
01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:30,680
spooky Dream Theater chords at the beginning, I go, that's

2302
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:32,680
exactly what I would expect a song called night Terror

2303
01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:35,279
from Dream Theater to sound like, you know, still sort

2304
01:44:35,319 --> 01:44:38,119
of picturesque and can't go too ugly, but kind of discordant.

2305
01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,760
It's just a mode that Dream Theater have often been in.

2306
01:44:42,760 --> 01:44:45,079
You know, I'm kind of down with it. I just

2307
01:44:45,119 --> 01:44:46,880
wasn't surprised by it. It's got a good like faster

2308
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:49,840
riff when when when it when it gets in a

2309
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:54,039
ton of fucking you know, keyboard battling type parts through it,

2310
01:44:54,119 --> 01:44:55,920
which when I'm in the groove, I didn't mind, but

2311
01:44:55,960 --> 01:44:57,800
I was there going, Sam is going to be tearing

2312
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:03,159
there like the min it's minutes of solo section exemplifying

2313
01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:05,359
how scary a night Terror is go.

2314
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:09,479
Speaker 6: It's it's the thing with Dream is for me, and

2315
01:45:09,680 --> 01:45:11,560
it's true with a lot of prog bands. Is you

2316
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:13,359
think if you were that good at your instrument, you'd

2317
01:45:13,359 --> 01:45:15,800
almost get bored of being that good at it, and

2318
01:45:15,800 --> 01:45:19,199
you wouldn't feel the need you be down, like well,

2319
01:45:19,279 --> 01:45:21,079
I don't like Michael Jordan he went and played baseball

2320
01:45:21,079 --> 01:45:22,840
because he was too good at basketball. Was like dream,

2321
01:45:23,279 --> 01:45:26,159
They've not gone. Jordan Rudets is not remotely sick of

2322
01:45:26,239 --> 01:45:29,439
playing the organ. He absolutely loves it and he would

2323
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:32,239
take every single opportunity to do so. I think like

2324
01:45:33,319 --> 01:45:35,039
and I think it's true for like a fair few

2325
01:45:35,039 --> 01:45:38,159
songs on this record. I quite like hearing the band

2326
01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:42,720
sound fired up, even if it's dream Theater fired up,

2327
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,239
which isn't you know, it's not not loose, it's still

2328
01:45:45,239 --> 01:45:48,760
whines and it's still super indulgent, but at least they're

2329
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,119
packing more of a punch than they in a.

2330
01:45:51,079 --> 01:45:55,239
Speaker 1: While, like Broken Man, Almost Dream There Panic chords. Dare

2331
01:45:55,319 --> 01:45:58,760
I say that one did take you by surprise a

2332
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:00,119
bit of like, oh, you know, kind of intense to

2333
01:46:00,159 --> 01:46:03,199
start with verse riff it settles into is very generic

2334
01:46:03,239 --> 01:46:06,279
but again very pretty like Hefty and screw Facy. But

2335
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:10,039
I do love like again anything like that. They will

2336
01:46:10,119 --> 01:46:12,600
just come in with a keyboard sound like the one

2337
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:14,359
that comes into about five minutes on that song that

2338
01:46:14,479 --> 01:46:17,359
is for what is their darker more nightmare is song

2339
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:23,359
just hilarious and like, I'm totally capable of having fun

2340
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,439
with a kind of daft keyboard sound, right, But there's

2341
01:46:26,479 --> 01:46:28,760
an element of dream Theater where I'm like, do you

2342
01:46:28,920 --> 01:46:31,399
know how funny this is? Because Dream Theater take it

2343
01:46:31,439 --> 01:46:35,399
so seriously and really believe they are exploring the powers

2344
01:46:35,439 --> 01:46:40,079
of nightmares or whatever through and it kind of tempers it,

2345
01:46:40,119 --> 01:46:41,760
Like why does that song when you were saying earlier

2346
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:44,479
about the kind of concept not matching the sound, why

2347
01:46:44,560 --> 01:46:46,840
is that the song that has like a lounge like

2348
01:46:47,000 --> 01:46:50,680
swing part in it, like we'd jazz break bit, Oh

2349
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:51,479
we're in a nightmare?

2350
01:46:53,039 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 4: I mean again that dreamfit.

2351
01:46:55,000 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 5: I've discovered my nightmares with this album like that, Like yeah, like,

2352
01:47:00,199 --> 01:47:02,039
but this is part I think was like again, compared

2353
01:47:02,079 --> 01:47:05,720
to the Opef album, that album was so like, so

2354
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:07,000
assured of its concepts.

2355
01:47:07,079 --> 01:47:09,199
Speaker 4: Even when you had those kind of mental swings.

2356
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:12,359
Speaker 5: They felt part of the what they felt like they

2357
01:47:12,399 --> 01:47:13,680
made sense with the content of the album.

2358
01:47:13,680 --> 01:47:18,319
Speaker 4: They're kind of like austere, like stark dark atmosphere at all.

2359
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:20,720
There's none of that hearing, none of it feels like that.

2360
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:22,960
Speaker 5: I think they've kind of gone, Oh, because it's about dreams,

2361
01:47:23,000 --> 01:47:24,640
we can do whatever the fuck we want and it

2362
01:47:24,640 --> 01:47:26,039
all makes sense because it's dream I.

2363
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:27,319
Speaker 1: Don't think that makes a difference at all. This is

2364
01:47:27,319 --> 01:47:28,279
just what they do everywhere.

2365
01:47:30,079 --> 01:47:32,079
Speaker 5: Maybe maybe that is just dreams that way about it,

2366
01:47:32,119 --> 01:47:34,199
and they just slapped a lazy concept on there.

2367
01:47:34,279 --> 01:47:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's definitely some sense of rejuvenation of

2368
01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:42,199
like again touching back into a certain era of the

2369
01:47:42,199 --> 01:47:44,000
core kind of you know, era of the band, even

2370
01:47:44,039 --> 01:47:45,760
though again those heavier riffs, like I said, they remind

2371
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:47,720
me of the records they were making during the two thousands,

2372
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,720
towards the kind of end of Portnoy's original tenure. And

2373
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:52,920
like I said, this, it could come out after train

2374
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:55,119
of thought, it could come out right after you know,

2375
01:47:55,199 --> 01:47:57,800
black Clouds and silver Linings. You wouldn't really blink an eye.

2376
01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:01,000
And I guess, you know, if those were records that

2377
01:48:01,079 --> 01:48:03,000
meant a ton to me rather just having like a

2378
01:48:03,039 --> 01:48:04,680
track here or there, I really like I could imagine

2379
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:06,720
being stoked on it. I think you could. Also. What

2380
01:48:06,760 --> 01:48:08,560
you draw from that is, like you know, what we

2381
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:11,399
were saying, there's not much real progressiveness. It's a return

2382
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:15,000
to dream theater of the mid two thousands, and it

2383
01:48:15,039 --> 01:48:18,680
is quite safe and familiar than it rather than it

2384
01:48:18,720 --> 01:48:23,239
being you know, revelatory for how frantic it's anticks are.

2385
01:48:25,159 --> 01:48:27,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the sort of story of this record

2386
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:29,680
being the port Noise back, I think it kind of

2387
01:48:30,039 --> 01:48:32,640
capitalizes that and that it proves certainly to me that

2388
01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:34,640
port Nooy is the missing ingredient in this band and

2389
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:37,439
was in his time away. I think like folding some

2390
01:48:37,479 --> 01:48:40,039
more of that metal edge into the recipe does make

2391
01:48:40,039 --> 01:48:43,560
a difference albums, at least in parts more exciting and

2392
01:48:43,640 --> 01:48:45,199
dynamic than what they've been doing.

2393
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:45,439
Speaker 3: For a while.

2394
01:48:46,359 --> 01:48:47,319
Speaker 1: It is.

2395
01:48:47,159 --> 01:48:49,520
Speaker 6: It is funny just how much they've picked up where

2396
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:52,920
they left off. I mean, I just started smoking. It's

2397
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:54,479
all about the concept that not applied. I just remember

2398
01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:56,399
when they did Distance over Time and made this whole

2399
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:59,000
fuss about the album being to the point and we're

2400
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:01,399
going to really go for it, lads, it's seventy five

2401
01:49:01,439 --> 01:49:04,640
minutes long. There is no distance over time. It's the

2402
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:07,479
same sort of thing against like the concept as barely impeded,

2403
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:10,640
or like work just way into the record this album,

2404
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:13,279
Like if this has come out in twenty eleven as

2405
01:49:13,279 --> 01:49:17,279
the follows of Black Cows and Silver Linings, yeah that

2406
01:49:17,600 --> 01:49:20,479
would make sense too. So I just thought your miles

2407
01:49:20,479 --> 01:49:22,439
will vary, but I think if you are mad for

2408
01:49:22,520 --> 01:49:25,600
Dream Theater, it kind of ticks the boxes.

2409
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:29,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, my big LaBrie laugh moment on this was Midnight Messiah,

2410
01:49:29,720 --> 01:49:32,560
where it has two minutes of trying really hard to

2411
01:49:32,600 --> 01:49:37,199
build this like monstrous, tentacled, writhing beast of an intro right,

2412
01:49:37,560 --> 01:49:40,560
and then he knocks the whole thing tumbling down the

2413
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,119
second he comes in and goes last tam Then God,

2414
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:46,880
that's my mind, just sounding like your Nan playing the

2415
01:49:46,920 --> 01:49:50,399
devil in a fucking theater production. Like it's incredible how

2416
01:49:50,479 --> 01:49:51,960
tactless he moves into that.

2417
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 4: I almost admire his conviction, like he so believes in himself.

2418
01:49:57,920 --> 01:49:59,199
And now that's a level of delusion.

2419
01:49:59,279 --> 01:50:03,520
Speaker 5: We could all aspy too, like awful vocalist on this,

2420
01:50:04,199 --> 01:50:06,119
like when he comes into that chorus on nine to

2421
01:50:06,199 --> 01:50:09,119
Night Night Terror Hysteria, and I'm like, fucking hell, this

2422
01:50:09,159 --> 01:50:12,079
is some of the lyricism is like nursery rhyme level,

2423
01:50:12,239 --> 01:50:14,920
basic rhyming. What are you gonna like for all of that?

2424
01:50:14,920 --> 01:50:17,199
There's ambition, ambitious like musicality.

2425
01:50:17,399 --> 01:50:20,079
Speaker 6: It does completely baffle me that a band like Dream Theaters,

2426
01:50:20,079 --> 01:50:25,079
who are clearly such sticklers for quality and precision and

2427
01:50:25,159 --> 01:50:28,880
like musical theory and all those things, and James Lebrie

2428
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:31,319
should being quiet, right, I mean, he should not be

2429
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:34,439
in a band with all these guys from Berkeley and

2430
01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:38,159
just again, this is a bit of an insight into

2431
01:50:38,199 --> 01:50:40,159
the mind of a real dream the as a fan.

2432
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:43,680
I suddenly saw this stuff because living on tour recently

2433
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:45,800
and I saw a bunch of saying, oh my god,

2434
01:50:46,119 --> 01:50:48,640
James LaBrie sounds great again. This is fantastic, And I

2435
01:50:48,720 --> 01:50:52,119
was like, what, There's no way he does not He

2436
01:50:52,119 --> 01:50:54,800
does not sound great again. He sounds exactly as bad

2437
01:50:54,840 --> 01:50:58,840
as you remember him sounding. I'm kind of I'm not

2438
01:50:58,880 --> 01:51:01,840
convinced that anyone likes James. I do think he's like

2439
01:51:02,399 --> 01:51:03,800
just something people put up with.

2440
01:51:04,399 --> 01:51:08,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean personally like I more, he has really

2441
01:51:08,039 --> 01:51:10,920
like funny moments like that part I just mentioned. Generally,

2442
01:51:11,720 --> 01:51:14,079
I don't take sort of great umbrage with him, but

2443
01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:17,199
I think it's more like a lacking than an egregiousness.

2444
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:19,279
You know, I think he kind of caps them by

2445
01:51:19,479 --> 01:51:23,319
also not being interesting because I think, I mean, his

2446
01:51:23,359 --> 01:51:25,199
best moment again, you know, go back to that like

2447
01:51:25,239 --> 01:51:26,520
to pull me under when it's like, oh my god,

2448
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:29,239
that's an enormous heavy metal chorus, right, and back then

2449
01:51:29,279 --> 01:51:30,920
he could kind of you know, hit the higher notes

2450
01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:33,000
and everything a little bit more convincingly. But like ever

2451
01:51:33,039 --> 01:51:37,199
since they in their songwriting stopped prioritizing choruses like that,

2452
01:51:37,399 --> 01:51:40,840
I suppose, and he's been brought more into the maya

2453
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:44,199
of like long form conceptuality. He is just he's like

2454
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:46,520
an element that's there, you know, like he's not the

2455
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:49,000
interesting part. He's not emotionally very compelling. You do just

2456
01:51:49,000 --> 01:51:52,000
sort of put up with him, and he's just a

2457
01:51:52,119 --> 01:51:53,520
you know, he doesn't make you throw your horns in

2458
01:51:53,520 --> 01:51:55,159
the air anymore like that did. He's just a weird

2459
01:51:55,239 --> 01:51:57,560
nasal guy in the mix, singing a bunch of like

2460
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:00,239
really samey stuff that doesn't make you feel And I

2461
01:52:00,239 --> 01:52:04,720
think my dream theater listening ever since those nineties days, right,

2462
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:07,279
it has been you know, enjoy the riffs and you know,

2463
01:52:07,319 --> 01:52:09,920
the instrumentation when it is particularly good. But James Lebrie

2464
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,520
almost never catches my attention unless it is to do

2465
01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:16,000
something funny. And I mean he kills every ballad track

2466
01:52:16,079 --> 01:52:19,079
Stone Dead Again, like those are the shite parts, and

2467
01:52:19,159 --> 01:52:21,000
even their classic records, so it's not a surprise it

2468
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:23,640
hasn't changed here when they weren't even good on your

2469
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:27,039
most legendary album. The final you know, drawer of the

2470
01:52:27,039 --> 01:52:29,720
album is the last track, the shadow Man Incident, which

2471
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:32,039
is nineteen minutes long, which is not in the slightest

2472
01:52:32,079 --> 01:52:33,920
bit new for Dream Theater. There was a twenty minute

2473
01:52:33,920 --> 01:52:36,399
song on the previous album, but it is just a

2474
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:39,479
you know, how can they trample subtlety the next time?

2475
01:52:39,720 --> 01:52:42,000
You know? And it goes the route of a you know,

2476
01:52:43,279 --> 01:52:46,199
dramatic orchestral kind of marching thing to begin with, and

2477
01:52:46,199 --> 01:52:48,880
then into a kind of sort of a love Craft ballad.

2478
01:52:48,920 --> 01:52:51,239
I guess where where Dream Theater become the first band

2479
01:52:51,319 --> 01:52:53,600
ever to include the lines that is not dead, which

2480
01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:56,119
can eternal lie and with strange eons, even death may

2481
01:52:56,159 --> 01:52:57,840
die in a song. Can you believe they're the first

2482
01:52:57,880 --> 01:52:59,960
one's ever to make that leap? But I guess it's

2483
01:53:00,079 --> 01:53:02,279
it's just weird how mundane it is, Like there's nothing

2484
01:53:02,319 --> 01:53:06,520
particularly it's kind of, you know, everything is more dramatic

2485
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:08,920
than everything else, So there's nothing particularly ear catching about

2486
01:53:08,920 --> 01:53:10,199
when dream fit to do a song like that. These

2487
01:53:10,239 --> 01:53:11,560
days they kind of do it in their sleep, so

2488
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:13,920
there's not really a lot to remember about it.

2489
01:53:15,319 --> 01:53:18,359
Speaker 5: Quitting the podcast never looked more appealing than these last

2490
01:53:18,359 --> 01:53:19,760
two songs.

2491
01:53:20,279 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 4: Like Ben the Clock has this like awful, horrid ballad.

2492
01:53:24,119 --> 01:53:25,920
Speaker 5: I was like, oh, end it already, And then I

2493
01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:28,199
was like, and then I saw the twenty minutes, was like,

2494
01:53:28,279 --> 01:53:30,880
fucking all the worst is yet to come, Dear God,

2495
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:32,359
end my suffering?

2496
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:34,359
Speaker 1: Were you're not going back by the bit of honky

2497
01:53:34,359 --> 01:53:35,640
tonk that's in there. That's the one thing I've got

2498
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:36,479
written down about it.

2499
01:53:37,239 --> 01:53:40,279
Speaker 5: The problem is is it's twenty minutes and I did

2500
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:44,800
just zone out. This doesn't end it. It's nothing, Nothing

2501
01:53:44,840 --> 01:53:47,840
will end my suffering. Like could not do that shadow

2502
01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:50,279
Man Instant song. It was just too much.

2503
01:53:50,880 --> 01:53:52,119
Speaker 6: I Mean, there's there's a thing a lot of people

2504
01:53:52,159 --> 01:53:55,439
say about progue generally all the epics where they just go, oh,

2505
01:53:55,479 --> 01:53:56,840
they just you know, they're just doing it for the

2506
01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:58,640
sake of it. That song doesn't need to be twenty

2507
01:53:58,640 --> 01:53:59,039
one minutes.

2508
01:53:59,039 --> 01:54:01,279
Speaker 1: It's like, no, no, no, when it's done, when it's twenty

2509
01:54:01,279 --> 01:54:03,439
one twelve, or Shine on Your Crazy Diamond or Larks

2510
01:54:03,479 --> 01:54:04,119
Tongues and asket.

2511
01:54:04,159 --> 01:54:05,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been loving twenty one twelve over the last

2512
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:08,000
couple months. I've got sewing on Rush, So a twenty

2513
01:54:08,039 --> 01:54:11,479
one minute song is not like totally out of the question.

2514
01:54:11,279 --> 01:54:11,880
Speaker 4: For me anymore.

2515
01:54:12,079 --> 01:54:14,239
Speaker 6: No, but that thing is, yeah, that thing which people

2516
01:54:14,319 --> 01:54:15,800
say on I just doing it for the sake of it.

2517
01:54:16,399 --> 01:54:19,439
That kind of does feel true about almost all of

2518
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:21,039
the dream theater epics where I.

2519
01:54:21,079 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 1: Have so many, like how many of those do Rush have,

2520
01:54:23,039 --> 01:54:24,720
like what over the course of their careers?

2521
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:26,720
Speaker 3: Twenty on twelve hemispheres?

2522
01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:29,239
Speaker 1: There's a fair few that like eleven, but like, yeah,

2523
01:54:29,279 --> 01:54:33,399
twenty minute maybe three or four exactly dreaming at least

2524
01:54:33,479 --> 01:54:36,000
fucking one on every album, And how many can people

2525
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:37,800
remember it?

2526
01:54:37,960 --> 01:54:41,159
Speaker 6: Just like it's so I wonder if even the guys

2527
01:54:41,159 --> 01:54:43,159
like when they're in the studios go oh fuck having

2528
01:54:43,159 --> 01:54:47,520
on the twenty minute one shit a OK, plug back

2529
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:49,920
in guys, and then they just like run out the

2530
01:54:49,920 --> 01:54:53,880
clock because it feels so about for five minutes. Yeah,

2531
01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:56,640
like listen, you guys, you can play. You have nothing

2532
01:54:56,720 --> 01:54:58,399
left to prove, Like I know, the ballt would be

2533
01:54:58,439 --> 01:54:59,960
a bit of a rubbish way to win, but like

2534
01:55:01,079 --> 01:55:03,319
this is even with someone who's been a bit of

2535
01:55:03,319 --> 01:55:04,199
an apologist for some of.

2536
01:55:04,199 --> 01:55:07,279
Speaker 3: This record, that is a bit much.

2537
01:55:08,039 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I found this record quite easy going,

2538
01:55:11,039 --> 01:55:13,960
to be honest, because it's it's Dream Theater leaning on

2539
01:55:14,239 --> 01:55:16,199
a you know, a heavier riffing style that they were

2540
01:55:16,279 --> 01:55:18,760
using at the time when you know I found them,

2541
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:25,119
and it kind of as like bizarre as any of

2542
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:28,800
the turns theoretically should be. It made quite good background music.

2543
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:30,479
Like it's just like, oh, you know, there's Dream Theater

2544
01:55:30,560 --> 01:55:32,800
newly around doing that thing they do. That's something almost

2545
01:55:32,920 --> 01:55:35,159
cute about Dream Theater just you know, still doing that

2546
01:55:35,279 --> 01:55:38,479
that thing. But I don't think it will be you know,

2547
01:55:40,119 --> 01:55:43,239
marked a particular stirring return to form or anything except

2548
01:55:43,279 --> 01:55:45,600
maybe outside of the most hardcore of Dream Theater circles,

2549
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:47,079
which I mean, to be honest, you can say that

2550
01:55:47,119 --> 01:55:49,359
as for almost anything they've ever done, so I mean,

2551
01:55:49,399 --> 01:55:51,920
to some degree, I guess, you know, mission accomplished. Again.

2552
01:55:52,039 --> 01:55:54,079
I don't think it's a person I didn't find it

2553
01:55:54,119 --> 01:55:57,000
to be a terrible upsetting record. It's just a it's

2554
01:55:57,000 --> 01:55:59,199
a dream Fitter record and everything that that entails good

2555
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:02,039
and bad. If there are any big you know, dream

2556
01:56:02,079 --> 01:56:04,359
fitterheads in our audience, let us know what you make about,

2557
01:56:04,399 --> 01:56:07,000
you know, the kind of the big Portnoy return is

2558
01:56:07,039 --> 01:56:08,960
this like exciting or is this just you know, the

2559
01:56:09,039 --> 01:56:11,199
latest in a long line of a Dream Theater Records,

2560
01:56:11,319 --> 01:56:14,720
Dream Theater, Parasomnia. Perhaps the complete antidotes to Dream Theater

2561
01:56:14,800 --> 01:56:18,039
would be We're knowna Fighter and an album that's called

2562
01:56:18,039 --> 01:56:21,119
My Apology to the Chef. This is a debut album.

2563
01:56:21,279 --> 01:56:24,119
This band had a few singles kind of scattered over

2564
01:56:24,159 --> 01:56:26,079
the course of twenty twenty four, and I've had my

2565
01:56:26,079 --> 01:56:27,520
eye on this for a while in terms of, like,

2566
01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:29,880
here's a new band that we can talk about from

2567
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:32,840
the realms of something at least describable as potpunk, right,

2568
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:35,079
because you know, there are so few and far between

2569
01:56:35,199 --> 01:56:36,880
these days of things that would really, you know, kind

2570
01:56:36,920 --> 01:56:39,159
of warrant to mention on this show. So a new

2571
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:41,800
band from that realm garnering a bit of steam and

2572
01:56:41,800 --> 01:56:44,479
putting out a daily record here on Ryse Records. I

2573
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:46,279
was like, cool, you know, there's something that we can do.

2574
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:48,760
They're a three piece, and I think you can gather

2575
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:50,279
from the name that this is going to be quite

2576
01:56:50,279 --> 01:56:53,840
you know, brash pop punk. I don't like this record

2577
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:56,279
very much. It turns out, in fact, more often than not,

2578
01:56:56,319 --> 01:56:58,319
I find it quite annoying, and that's sad. Because I

2579
01:56:58,439 --> 01:57:00,920
wanted to like it, but Sam as the one of

2580
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:03,119
us who I would guess falls most in the target

2581
01:57:03,119 --> 01:57:05,560
demographic for this. Did you also you know, have eyes

2582
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:06,439
on on an own a fighter?

2583
01:57:07,159 --> 01:57:09,079
Speaker 5: I kind of known then, Nay, I've seen the name

2584
01:57:09,159 --> 01:57:10,800
kicking about for a while, and I was kind of like,

2585
01:57:10,880 --> 01:57:13,159
I seen they, like there was like some EPs and singles.

2586
01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:16,279
I was like, right perpo in that, because like that

2587
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:18,119
they were kind of weird band who exists like I

2588
01:57:18,159 --> 01:57:19,920
saw pop punk band, but in the sort of spheres

2589
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:22,279
of like the DIY punk scene and that and sort

2590
01:57:22,279 --> 01:57:22,600
of stuff.

2591
01:57:22,640 --> 01:57:24,920
Speaker 1: I like more think they're playing one of the smallest

2592
01:57:24,920 --> 01:57:26,159
stages at Slam DUNP this year.

2593
01:57:26,479 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, but and they're like kind of lumped in with

2594
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:31,720
just sort of bands that you wouldn't necessarily associate pop

2595
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,079
punk with, even though something they they're not not a

2596
01:57:34,119 --> 01:57:35,279
million miles to each other. So I was kind of

2597
01:57:35,279 --> 01:57:38,079
like curious as to how they kind of flirt between

2598
01:57:38,199 --> 01:57:39,920
like the sort of the DIY punk scene, which is

2599
01:57:40,119 --> 01:57:43,680
kind of like really earnest and sincere, and the sort

2600
01:57:43,680 --> 01:57:46,720
of big modern pop punk sort of thing. So I

2601
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:48,680
was I was curious about this, and I actually found

2602
01:57:48,680 --> 01:57:50,720
this beak quite a sort of pleasant surprise for a record.

2603
01:57:51,159 --> 01:57:53,439
Speaker 4: I can see why, Like you might.

2604
01:57:53,319 --> 01:57:55,960
Speaker 5: Not be totally on board of it, but a good

2605
01:57:56,039 --> 01:57:59,000
pop punk album feels like such a rare treat these days,

2606
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:02,479
like maybe even more so the metalcor that genre is

2607
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:05,960
in like the deepest pits of solar slot. And I'm

2608
01:58:06,000 --> 01:58:08,760
not saying this album is a revelation, but I did

2609
01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:11,960
have a very very pleasant time kind of just like

2610
01:58:12,319 --> 01:58:14,640
plugging into of like, oh, hey, it's a pop punk

2611
01:58:14,680 --> 01:58:16,760
bands who have heard a bad religion record. At least

2612
01:58:16,800 --> 01:58:18,720
one member of this band, you know, has heard a

2613
01:58:18,720 --> 01:58:21,279
bad religion record, and some other like actual punk music.

2614
01:58:22,039 --> 01:58:23,359
Speaker 4: That's kind of enough of me at the moment.

2615
01:58:23,439 --> 01:58:25,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess how would you describe the sound?

2616
01:58:25,119 --> 01:58:26,760
I guess because what you exactly were saying about them

2617
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:30,159
sort of like I would call it pop punk, and

2618
01:58:30,439 --> 01:58:32,439
again myself, in my own taste, it does adopt a

2619
01:58:32,600 --> 01:58:36,800
very like contemporary, kind of conventionally produced pop punk sound.

2620
01:58:37,039 --> 01:58:39,319
It's not one where we go, oh that sounds stripped

2621
01:58:39,359 --> 01:58:42,079
off of kind of you know, like mid nineties, you know,

2622
01:58:42,840 --> 01:58:45,119
Nitrous records or anything like that. Like it's sonically, it's

2623
01:58:45,199 --> 01:58:47,880
very twenty twenty five even though the style of chorus

2624
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:50,479
and the mix and stuff, but it does also you know,

2625
01:58:50,600 --> 01:58:54,319
it's not like State Champs or as it is or something.

2626
01:58:54,439 --> 01:58:57,479
You can feel the kind of element of like a

2627
01:58:57,560 --> 01:59:01,720
power trio putting these songs together. H And again that's

2628
01:59:01,720 --> 01:59:03,640
generally absent in a lot of kind of very you know,

2629
01:59:04,800 --> 01:59:07,199
polished kind of pop punk, and it does it falls

2630
01:59:07,239 --> 01:59:10,680
somewhere between, you know, something that is very very put together,

2631
01:59:10,720 --> 01:59:13,119
but also something kind of really kind of garage.

2632
01:59:13,640 --> 01:59:13,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2633
01:59:13,880 --> 01:59:15,479
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's the appeal with for me

2634
01:59:15,560 --> 01:59:17,359
is it does sort of land in that middle, that

2635
01:59:17,439 --> 01:59:20,640
sort of round of like this is poppy, muse this

2636
01:59:20,720 --> 01:59:22,680
is like like I said that they listened to Baranasi,

2637
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:24,399
and like it's just because it's a little more roughed

2638
01:59:24,439 --> 01:59:27,439
up at points then say the band you've listened, like

2639
01:59:27,439 --> 01:59:31,000
Stage Champs, it's not so polished to like such a

2640
01:59:31,079 --> 01:59:34,079
gene that there. You know, it feels like free Mates

2641
01:59:34,119 --> 01:59:35,760
kind of rocking out in their garage a little bit,

2642
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:38,920
like because they heard some like cool punk records in

2643
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:42,920
the nineties. But it is still like I guess cause

2644
01:59:42,920 --> 01:59:45,079
it's like it's kind of that with like a little

2645
01:59:45,079 --> 01:59:48,399
bit that kind of like modern pop sort of thing

2646
01:59:48,399 --> 01:59:51,159
on some of the vocals. I think, like it's gonna

2647
01:59:51,159 --> 01:59:52,920
be very easy comparison to make, but there is a

2648
01:59:53,039 --> 01:59:56,920
shit ton of riot on this album. Like like I think,

2649
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:59,079
like I'm not dismissed, like I don't know, you know, no,

2650
01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:01,239
let's put a pin in that because there is one

2651
02:00:01,239 --> 02:00:03,239
song in particularly where it has to be mentioned.

2652
02:00:03,640 --> 02:00:06,960
Speaker 1: Yes, I totally. I mean, that's certainly a kind of

2653
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:11,880
a stylistic kind of template for kind of what they're generally,

2654
02:00:11,960 --> 02:00:14,079
you know, doing here Ellie. I mean I was listen

2655
02:00:14,079 --> 02:00:15,319
to this and again I was thinking I didn't really

2656
02:00:15,359 --> 02:00:18,279
like this. It would be I've fucking shocked from hell

2657
02:00:18,359 --> 02:00:20,800
if Elliot somehow came out really really guting for a

2658
02:00:20,840 --> 02:00:22,319
record that sounds like this, I mean, are we mainly

2659
02:00:22,399 --> 02:00:24,199
letting Sam kind of take the limelight on this?

2660
02:00:25,279 --> 02:00:26,199
Speaker 3: Uh yeah?

2661
02:00:26,279 --> 02:00:29,920
Speaker 1: Because yeah, listen, Like the length of time that's passed

2662
02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,399
since I've liked a new pop punk record, is it's

2663
02:00:32,439 --> 02:00:33,600
reaching critical mass.

2664
02:00:33,840 --> 02:00:36,239
Speaker 6: I'm starting to get worried, Like I don't honestly I was.

2665
02:00:36,279 --> 02:00:39,079
I couldn't remember in the last new pop punk record

2666
02:00:39,279 --> 02:00:42,319
I loved came out like maybe No Closer to Heaven

2667
02:00:42,439 --> 02:00:44,600
if that counts. But I saw loads of people I

2668
02:00:44,640 --> 02:00:48,000
trust talking about this record and saying how great it was,

2669
02:00:48,039 --> 02:00:51,359
and the people who aren't particularly apologist for pop punk.

2670
02:00:52,640 --> 02:00:55,199
I don't know if this is the great White Hope

2671
02:00:55,479 --> 02:00:57,640
of the scene. I think maybe things are worse than

2672
02:00:57,680 --> 02:01:02,920
I thought. I've found this quite annoying.

2673
02:01:03,560 --> 02:01:06,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can there are bits on this record that,

2674
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:08,920
again where I particularly kind of felt my cuffs going

2675
02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:10,760
like hmm, And I can always imagine them being the

2676
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:14,159
exact same points that you were as well, But I.

2677
02:01:14,079 --> 02:01:15,840
Speaker 4: Can I forge have a good idea what some of

2678
02:01:15,880 --> 02:01:17,199
those points are as well, to be honest.

2679
02:01:17,199 --> 02:01:19,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, Sam, I guess, you know, for

2680
02:01:19,840 --> 02:01:21,520
the people out there who are really good, you know,

2681
02:01:21,560 --> 02:01:23,399
look looking for you know, a record like this and

2682
02:01:23,600 --> 02:01:25,159
a band like this to kind of do something you know,

2683
02:01:25,279 --> 02:01:28,079
kind of of of worth. What would be like kind

2684
02:01:28,079 --> 02:01:29,600
of you know, your your kind of highlights about this

2685
02:01:29,680 --> 02:01:31,880
in terms of either songs, but also just like elements

2686
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:33,840
of their sound and kind of pieces of their what

2687
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:35,159
kind of character are they bringing?

2688
02:01:35,600 --> 02:01:35,720
Speaker 4: Well?

2689
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:37,079
Speaker 5: I think that I think that's thing is they actually

2690
02:01:37,079 --> 02:01:39,159
do have a lot more character than a lot of

2691
02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:41,159
the sort of pop pun bands around them. I think

2692
02:01:41,920 --> 02:01:44,960
of vocalist. She has got personality that she does bring

2693
02:01:45,000 --> 02:01:47,239
to it. Perhaps again that can maybe be a little

2694
02:01:47,239 --> 02:01:49,479
grating at times on some of the bits where she

2695
02:01:49,520 --> 02:01:51,840
really leans into it and that someone the like well

2696
02:01:51,920 --> 02:01:53,279
like kind of ad libs with the bits with like

2697
02:01:53,319 --> 02:01:56,560
she's almost like talking directly at you, like I quite

2698
02:01:56,600 --> 02:01:58,880
like them. I think, you know, it's kind of put

2699
02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:01,800
in the personality to the front. I think for me,

2700
02:02:01,840 --> 02:02:04,239
you know, songs like Trumper Cable as an opener, it's

2701
02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:07,439
a big, kind of bright, bouncy pop punk number. Like

2702
02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:10,359
I think there are times where it's a bit too polished.

2703
02:02:10,399 --> 02:02:12,239
I think like part of me kind of wish down

2704
02:02:12,319 --> 02:02:14,680
was a little bit of the more DIY.

2705
02:02:14,279 --> 02:02:15,640
Speaker 4: Punk sort of sounding its production.

2706
02:02:15,800 --> 02:02:19,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, But I think songs like Hams in

2707
02:02:19,560 --> 02:02:21,239
the Glass that's one where it does kind of like

2708
02:02:21,319 --> 02:02:22,840
rattle on a little bit more. There's a lot of

2709
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:25,960
run of like that and Talker kind of like this

2710
02:02:26,199 --> 02:02:28,359
is got a bit more energy, a bit more kind.

2711
02:02:28,279 --> 02:02:30,159
Speaker 4: Of like umph to it.

2712
02:02:30,159 --> 02:02:32,199
Speaker 5: It feels like, again, these are people who've grown up

2713
02:02:32,199 --> 02:02:34,199
playing Tony Hawk's pro skater games and listening to the

2714
02:02:34,199 --> 02:02:36,399
soundtracks of that and trying to sort of channel a

2715
02:02:36,479 --> 02:02:38,239
bit of that into this into a modern pop punk thing,

2716
02:02:38,319 --> 02:02:40,960
and I'm I'm really okay with that. I make other

2717
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:42,680
bits where it kind of goes into the real bubblegum

2718
02:02:42,720 --> 02:02:46,000
pop stuff like like all that sort of stuff. It's

2719
02:02:46,039 --> 02:02:51,119
just a fun it's not revelationary. But if you if

2720
02:02:51,159 --> 02:02:53,039
you are down for a pop punk that is that

2721
02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:57,199
is clean produced like well and big, but isn't like say,

2722
02:02:57,399 --> 02:03:02,239
polished to a complete kind of like identicit sheen, I

2723
02:03:02,279 --> 02:03:03,760
think you'll have a good time with this. There are

2724
02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:05,720
some songs, you know, Swimmerzear kind of goes into the

2725
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:07,680
sort of swimmer Zere's dorm where you can kind of

2726
02:03:07,680 --> 02:03:09,640
go ah, that's why I can see where you're coming

2727
02:03:09,640 --> 02:03:11,600
from the DIY punk scene, where that's got a bit

2728
02:03:11,600 --> 02:03:13,840
more that kind of fuzzed up guitar mellowness to it.

2729
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:15,720
And again I think that song's really great. It's not

2730
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:17,840
as good as the sort of the bands they're clearly

2731
02:03:17,880 --> 02:03:19,920
drawing from, but it's a nice kind of added flavored

2732
02:03:19,920 --> 02:03:22,880
to sort of show this band have the capability.

2733
02:03:24,039 --> 02:03:25,119
Speaker 4: I think, I don't see this.

2734
02:03:25,119 --> 02:03:26,600
Speaker 5: Some one is like the Great Hope pop punk, but

2735
02:03:26,600 --> 02:03:29,159
I think it's a good sort of starting point for

2736
02:03:29,199 --> 02:03:31,960
this band to maybe if they can figure out their

2737
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:33,640
identity and iron out the sort of things that they

2738
02:03:33,640 --> 02:03:35,880
do really well on, this could do something great.

2739
02:03:36,319 --> 02:03:38,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll take the agreeable position and say that that's

2740
02:03:38,760 --> 02:03:41,279
pretty pretty fair. I don't see it with this one.

2741
02:03:41,319 --> 02:03:43,560
Like I said, I wanted to like it because I

2742
02:03:44,319 --> 02:03:46,760
did want something a bit scrappier instead. This is fourteen

2743
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:49,359
songs I found of very much kind of interchangeability, and

2744
02:03:49,399 --> 02:03:51,720
the killer is I really don't like the vocal style

2745
02:03:51,800 --> 02:03:54,600
and you know, being songs where you know, there's not

2746
02:03:54,640 --> 02:03:56,319
really a lot going on in this music aside from

2747
02:03:56,319 --> 02:03:58,399
the vocal hook. That's basically the deal breaker, right, And

2748
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:00,760
I know they're literally from feel with that kind of

2749
02:04:00,760 --> 02:04:04,279
americanized yelpie pop punk tone a lot of the time,

2750
02:04:05,000 --> 02:04:06,840
mainly in the louder register when she's going a bit

2751
02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:08,840
more on your face. There's a song called subar Root

2752
02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:10,800
on here and it's a little bit more disaffected and

2753
02:04:10,840 --> 02:04:12,319
she kind of backs off a little bit, and that's

2754
02:04:12,319 --> 02:04:13,960
you know, I'm more able to sort of just sort of,

2755
02:04:13,960 --> 02:04:16,279
you know, sit and vibe with that one. But the

2756
02:04:16,359 --> 02:04:18,880
songs where I guess what they're thinking of is like

2757
02:04:18,920 --> 02:04:22,960
the more confrontational songs from the opening track, My my

2758
02:04:23,000 --> 02:04:24,920
hackles were just kind of a bit up And I

2759
02:04:25,000 --> 02:04:28,039
really don't like the thing that you said where every

2760
02:04:28,039 --> 02:04:30,399
other song has to have a line where she stops singing.

2761
02:04:30,439 --> 02:04:32,600
Instead we have a talk sing song a bit like this,

2762
02:04:32,760 --> 02:04:35,359
and it makes you know, those are the bits the

2763
02:04:35,800 --> 02:04:36,760
hay clo you know me.

2764
02:04:36,960 --> 02:04:39,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, in the opening track, I was like, if that's

2765
02:04:39,479 --> 02:04:41,640
gonna be the soting where you're meally gonna be like

2766
02:04:42,000 --> 02:04:42,800
is this for you or not?

2767
02:04:42,960 --> 02:04:45,279
Speaker 4: If that kind of yeah, because if we.

2768
02:04:45,239 --> 02:04:46,960
Speaker 1: Have one of those in every single song, it will

2769
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:49,159
make it more badass. The intro of Hams in the

2770
02:04:49,159 --> 02:04:51,479
Glass when she hits that like blowing my fucking brains,

2771
02:04:51,479 --> 02:04:53,840
like it just hits a wrong note for me, And

2772
02:04:54,279 --> 02:04:56,560
I mean that song, I quite like that. The guitar

2773
02:04:56,600 --> 02:04:59,079
riff reminded me of Volbeat of all things, Like it

2774
02:04:59,079 --> 02:05:01,680
has this like roller king kind of growling rock and

2775
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:03,720
roll guitar feel that has that like, oh wait, we're

2776
02:05:03,720 --> 02:05:06,000
sealing the deal and we're buggying element to it, you know,

2777
02:05:06,039 --> 02:05:07,800
knuckle dusters on. But the you know, the main hook

2778
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:10,439
was was not for me. If it was like one

2779
02:05:10,560 --> 02:05:13,359
moment of like you know, on a bridge or something.

2780
02:05:13,439 --> 02:05:16,279
But there are some songs where the actual hook is

2781
02:05:16,359 --> 02:05:19,439
built on I think you should leave. That is built

2782
02:05:19,479 --> 02:05:22,840
on that like slipping in and out of talking delivery,

2783
02:05:22,880 --> 02:05:26,399
and it's just dead on arrival. Every time they repeated it,

2784
02:05:26,439 --> 02:05:28,600
I just shriveled up a little bit. There's this kind

2785
02:05:28,600 --> 02:05:33,239
of gnawing like playground taunt style of vocal melody writing

2786
02:05:33,319 --> 02:05:35,279
to like I'm in the Market to Police No One

2787
02:05:35,680 --> 02:05:38,880
or Wilburn Street Tavern, and it's just I find it unpleasant.

2788
02:05:40,600 --> 02:05:42,000
Speaker 5: I quite like in the Market to Police no And I

2789
02:05:42,039 --> 02:05:45,439
think that's got a fun chorus, But I do again,

2790
02:05:45,479 --> 02:05:47,600
I can see what you mean like with that kind

2791
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:50,560
of like, yeah, vocal delivery being a bit grating.

2792
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:53,960
Speaker 6: I see for me the problem with this record. But

2793
02:05:54,119 --> 02:05:56,199
it's not the production or the sound of it. I

2794
02:05:56,199 --> 02:06:01,079
think I don't mind quite sugary punk, and I don't

2795
02:06:01,079 --> 02:06:01,840
mind real like.

2796
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:02,840
Speaker 3: Sort of skate punk stuff.

2797
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:06,000
Speaker 6: Like it's for me, it's the middle ground, which what's

2798
02:06:06,039 --> 02:06:08,680
sort of having how its cake and eat it where

2799
02:06:08,680 --> 02:06:10,520
it's like a lot of this band seems to be

2800
02:06:11,079 --> 02:06:12,600
selling itself on the thing of like, you know, we're

2801
02:06:12,640 --> 02:06:14,079
just some punks in a garage, but then you listen

2802
02:06:14,079 --> 02:06:16,199
to me like it doesn't sound like that. It's like

2803
02:06:16,239 --> 02:06:20,439
you kind of I don't know, those two things don't match. Yeah,

2804
02:06:20,439 --> 02:06:22,680
but I've got to say the vocals.

2805
02:06:22,439 --> 02:06:24,039
Speaker 3: It's I agree with it.

2806
02:06:24,039 --> 02:06:26,520
Speaker 6: You're saying about having personality, and a lot of punk

2807
02:06:26,560 --> 02:06:32,000
punk vocalists are so faceless that it's hard to even

2808
02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:36,359
like differentiate them. That's not true of this vocalist and

2809
02:06:36,439 --> 02:06:38,920
her sort of straightforward singing style, like you saying things

2810
02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:40,960
like swimmers here, it's not too bad. Like maybe that's

2811
02:06:41,000 --> 02:06:43,640
a little bland, but I'm not strongly adverse to it.

2812
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:46,119
Sometimes I again, it sounds I think you should leave.

2813
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:48,000
I think that's something that suits your voice. I think

2814
02:06:48,039 --> 02:06:50,840
that sounds good. But that sort of faux song, faux

2815
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:55,720
spoken thing that she dips into whatever the opposite of

2816
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:59,920
catnip is. Yeah, it's like a battery acid like it's just.

2817
02:07:01,920 --> 02:07:05,680
Speaker 1: I yeah, I completely agree, and I just I also

2818
02:07:05,720 --> 02:07:07,199
just need to mention the fact that so I mentioned

2819
02:07:07,319 --> 02:07:09,960
h Wilbourne Street has a line about Shiptok, which is

2820
02:07:10,159 --> 02:07:12,760
I appreciate is making a joke about TikTok, but also

2821
02:07:13,079 --> 02:07:15,560
I just can't believe that line is in there. I

2822
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:18,520
know it's a faux pa to compare any female fronted

2823
02:07:18,520 --> 02:07:20,840
pop punk band to Paramore. I don't normally do it,

2824
02:07:20,920 --> 02:07:23,600
but you like a drunk feede Bridges literally is misery

2825
02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:26,319
business like it makes good for you sound like it

2826
02:07:26,359 --> 02:07:28,399
was actually drawing its inspiration from poison the well the

2827
02:07:28,479 --> 02:07:30,840
level of similarity to misery business, and is it just

2828
02:07:30,920 --> 02:07:33,279
open season now that like Olivia Rodriguez had a hit

2829
02:07:33,319 --> 02:07:35,680
with it, that we just all do our rewrites of

2830
02:07:35,680 --> 02:07:37,880
misery business. Because first of all, it does the woe,

2831
02:07:38,000 --> 02:07:40,199
which is you know, yeah, that's misery business. But then

2832
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:43,359
it does the same tempo exactly the bit in the

2833
02:07:43,439 --> 02:07:46,000
latter half the chorus where the drum do that dundn't.

2834
02:07:46,039 --> 02:07:48,800
My brain is going guddy, what I wanted now? And

2835
02:07:48,840 --> 02:07:52,479
it's that after the woe. It makes it so blatant

2836
02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:55,319
that I actually don't even know if I feel good

2837
02:07:55,359 --> 02:07:58,000
criticizing it, because I feel like it's so flagrant. They

2838
02:07:58,039 --> 02:08:00,159
have to be self aware, like I've not read if

2839
02:08:00,199 --> 02:08:02,520
they've made a comment or something about this being a

2840
02:08:02,560 --> 02:08:04,840
single where they were like, yeah, we've interpolated misery business

2841
02:08:04,880 --> 02:08:07,800
for the song, because it's so it has to be

2842
02:08:08,079 --> 02:08:11,479
like because Surely no one could expect people to not

2843
02:08:11,960 --> 02:08:15,439
notice that. So if it is a completely intentional, open,

2844
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:17,520
you know, nothing shade about it interpolation, then you know

2845
02:08:17,560 --> 02:08:20,680
fair enough that's your choice. For me, the effect was

2846
02:08:20,680 --> 02:08:23,159
the same of like, man, I wish I was wished

2847
02:08:23,199 --> 02:08:26,960
listening to Misery Business instead because it's it was the

2848
02:08:27,000 --> 02:08:29,239
most extreme example of what I felt about this record,

2849
02:08:29,239 --> 02:08:31,159
which is kind of reheated leftovers.

2850
02:08:31,760 --> 02:08:34,079
Speaker 5: I mean, that's what I mean that Riot in particular

2851
02:08:34,159 --> 02:08:35,640
is the one they are I think on this album,

2852
02:08:36,319 --> 02:08:36,960
not just on that song.

2853
02:08:37,000 --> 02:08:38,760
Speaker 4: I think just the general kind of vibe.

2854
02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:40,720
Speaker 1: It is that this is twenty twenty five kind of

2855
02:08:40,720 --> 02:08:42,039
slightly more old poppy Riot.

2856
02:08:42,560 --> 02:08:44,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it is. I think this song is good,

2857
02:08:44,800 --> 02:08:46,239
but I do think I was like, oh, it's good

2858
02:08:46,239 --> 02:08:48,479
because it is. Yeah, maybe that that is.

2859
02:08:48,479 --> 02:08:51,000
Speaker 5: A little too on the nose, but has good for

2860
02:08:51,039 --> 02:08:52,880
you just opened the floodgates on it.

2861
02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:56,000
Speaker 1: It's really bizarre. Yeah. I think like Talk is one

2862
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:57,680
of the better choruses for my years in terms of

2863
02:08:57,680 --> 02:08:59,960
not straying into those really egregious elements. Some of the

2864
02:09:00,000 --> 02:09:03,640
guitar riffs, okay, like stuff like Johnny's Dead and Are

2865
02:09:03,640 --> 02:09:06,560
You Famous? Has a little bit more like when Basement

2866
02:09:06,600 --> 02:09:08,439
go for something a little bit more guitar heavy, like

2867
02:09:08,479 --> 02:09:11,000
spoiled right, like kind of squealing things. If you like

2868
02:09:11,039 --> 02:09:12,800
your polished end of pop punk, I think those are

2869
02:09:12,840 --> 02:09:15,680
you know, pretty immediate in that regard. And Swimmers here

2870
02:09:15,720 --> 02:09:17,680
you mentioned, you know, it's not as flagrant as the

2871
02:09:17,680 --> 02:09:19,239
misery business thing, but it's got like an ever long

2872
02:09:19,319 --> 02:09:22,399
kind of flavor in there, which is, you know, not disagreeable.

2873
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:25,680
I just think it's quite generic, Like I don't really

2874
02:09:25,680 --> 02:09:28,520
get much personality from this, aside from being the latest

2875
02:09:28,520 --> 02:09:31,920
in a line of brash, kind of overly witty pop

2876
02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:34,840
punk records. And I think fourteen of these in a

2877
02:09:34,920 --> 02:09:36,359
row probably makes me feel like it's a lot worse

2878
02:09:36,399 --> 02:09:38,680
than it is. Like I could handle five to ten

2879
02:09:38,720 --> 02:09:42,439
minutes of like the better songs on this, but like

2880
02:09:42,479 --> 02:09:45,319
I said to me, it felt reheated. But I'm also

2881
02:09:46,399 --> 02:09:49,039
I'm not personally in the market of looking for new

2882
02:09:49,079 --> 02:09:51,520
pop punk like this. I mean, I wish there was

2883
02:09:51,560 --> 02:09:54,199
more to it than grating versions of songs that were

2884
02:09:54,199 --> 02:09:55,960
written in two thousand and six. But if you are

2885
02:09:56,119 --> 02:09:57,840
in that market and you're kind of more on the

2886
02:09:57,880 --> 02:10:00,520
wavelength of, like, you know, thinking of those ash vocal

2887
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:02,119
moments are kind of you know, like you know that

2888
02:10:02,159 --> 02:10:04,960
they hit something in you or whatever. This is one

2889
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:07,000
of those where you know, I mean, if the band

2890
02:10:07,039 --> 02:10:08,399
were to hear this one, I'd just be like, you know,

2891
02:10:08,399 --> 02:10:10,439
we swim in different circles, right Like me and Eliot'

2892
02:10:10,439 --> 02:10:13,000
stance on this is like not the make or break

2893
02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:16,199
for their career path. We are miles away right what

2894
02:10:16,239 --> 02:10:18,560
they on that to come, Like, sure, you know what

2895
02:10:18,600 --> 02:10:20,479
they think is far nor how they choose to express

2896
02:10:20,479 --> 02:10:22,880
their anger or whatever. It just wasn't compatible. But if

2897
02:10:22,920 --> 02:10:24,960
you are in the market for a kind of again

2898
02:10:25,399 --> 02:10:30,039
brash snotty pop punk record that is just very upfront

2899
02:10:30,079 --> 02:10:33,000
about kind of having all those things about it, and

2900
02:10:33,079 --> 02:10:35,399
maybe you haven't heard something like that of you know,

2901
02:10:35,800 --> 02:10:38,479
a decent quality in a while. The Bandicle were known

2902
02:10:38,520 --> 02:10:41,119
a Fighter and their record is called My Apologies to

2903
02:10:41,319 --> 02:10:43,880
the Chef. We're gonna run to the end of this

2904
02:10:44,079 --> 02:10:47,960
episode now with a run of underground metal records. I

2905
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:51,039
think two of these are likely to be unless you're

2906
02:10:51,079 --> 02:10:53,520
really plugged in names that you don't yet know. But

2907
02:10:53,560 --> 02:10:56,560
there is one name there's become a byword for everything

2908
02:10:56,680 --> 02:10:59,119
that is sick and twisted in death metal, and it

2909
02:10:59,199 --> 02:11:02,920
is piss Grave and their record Malignant Worthlessness, which is

2910
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:06,359
out the third and if you're paying attention, probably last

2911
02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:11,359
album from the nastiest death metal band maybe there's ever been,

2912
02:11:11,720 --> 02:11:14,239
Like I think what we've seen with piss Grave is

2913
02:11:14,319 --> 02:11:16,600
something special, because I don't know if we have seen

2914
02:11:16,640 --> 02:11:20,079
another death metal band who have tested the limits of

2915
02:11:20,119 --> 02:11:24,239
what people can actually stomach like piss Grave in recent years,

2916
02:11:24,279 --> 02:11:27,640
because people who love and listen to death metal all

2917
02:11:27,720 --> 02:11:31,560
day long, there is still there's another limit above of

2918
02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:33,399
what you need to kind of muster yourself up to

2919
02:11:34,000 --> 02:11:36,439
in order to listen to piss Grave. Death metal has

2920
02:11:36,479 --> 02:11:39,479
become commonplace, I would say the last few years, it's

2921
02:11:39,520 --> 02:11:42,600
kind of become more accepted across different you know, demographics

2922
02:11:42,600 --> 02:11:45,520
and scenes. Then it's been at least since the mid

2923
02:11:45,560 --> 02:11:47,600
nineteen nineties when death metal bands were getting on MTV,

2924
02:11:48,079 --> 02:11:50,199
and then there is piss Grave.

2925
02:11:51,800 --> 02:11:56,079
Speaker 6: They one of those things where it's hard to imagine

2926
02:11:56,119 --> 02:11:58,279
what a metal band could do that would be more

2927
02:11:58,319 --> 02:12:00,760
extreme than piss Grave, do you know what I mean?

2928
02:12:00,840 --> 02:12:02,960
Like at some point it tips over into like harsh

2929
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:07,520
noise or fucking like danger music, and I don't think

2930
02:12:07,600 --> 02:12:12,439
there's another certainly currently active band that capture the sort

2931
02:12:12,479 --> 02:12:17,319
of giddy, diseased thrill of death metal quite like Pisgrave.

2932
02:12:17,439 --> 02:12:19,760
Like you said it about Spectral Law last year, how

2933
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:21,840
they capture the mood and the atmosphere of like death

2934
02:12:21,960 --> 02:12:26,159
in their music. Piss Grave for me like they're in

2935
02:12:26,159 --> 02:12:28,840
that sort of lineage of like Barn Zero, Cannibal Corpse

2936
02:12:29,279 --> 02:12:36,439
or Topsy that truly like disgusting like cryptic death metal,

2937
02:12:36,760 --> 02:12:39,920
but they take it so far that, like I say,

2938
02:12:39,960 --> 02:12:44,720
even death metal fans are going, lads, ease up.

2939
02:12:45,279 --> 02:12:48,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they haven't overexposed themselves, which is one

2940
02:12:48,560 --> 02:12:50,760
thing because, like you know, with this album, they now

2941
02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:53,720
have as many studio albums as Undeath and Undeath First

2942
02:12:53,760 --> 02:12:56,479
long as twenty twenty, so there's not been much time

2943
02:12:56,520 --> 02:12:59,680
to get used to them. And it's been like something

2944
02:12:59,680 --> 02:13:02,760
I per personally value being there for the release of

2945
02:13:02,800 --> 02:13:05,920
Suicide Euphoria in twenty fifteen and in those ten years

2946
02:13:06,119 --> 02:13:08,640
watching piss Grave go from like a crazy new death

2947
02:13:08,680 --> 02:13:12,520
metal bands to almost bordering on legendary because to see

2948
02:13:12,560 --> 02:13:17,199
that happen in real time through just unwavering status as

2949
02:13:17,359 --> 02:13:19,920
the death metal band it requires that bit more Fort

2950
02:13:20,039 --> 02:13:23,159
choose to actually brave and survive has I think been

2951
02:13:23,239 --> 02:13:25,960
one of the coolest extreme metal stories of that decade,

2952
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:28,159
and no one else has caught up to them. You'd

2953
02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:30,640
think in those ten years after suicidey Fouria, someone would

2954
02:13:30,680 --> 02:13:33,199
start trying to surpass what they do, but no, no

2955
02:13:33,279 --> 02:13:36,720
one's been able to do piss Grave, so Malignant Worthlessness

2956
02:13:36,760 --> 02:13:41,119
described as closing a trilogy that started with Suicide Ephourior

2957
02:13:41,279 --> 02:13:44,039
and then continued with I think their best record Costumeous Humiliation.

2958
02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:48,279
If we are to view it as that sense, then

2959
02:13:48,319 --> 02:13:50,479
I think it is one of the great achievements in

2960
02:13:50,520 --> 02:13:53,560
modern death metal. I mean it's different to Blood Incantation

2961
02:13:53,680 --> 02:13:55,600
releasing and Absolute elsewhere, right, but I think it should

2962
02:13:55,640 --> 02:13:58,720
be considered an event within the scene because we have

2963
02:13:58,840 --> 02:14:01,560
long been told there's no further place of nastiness or

2964
02:14:01,600 --> 02:14:04,199
extremity that you can take death metal and then pisk

2965
02:14:04,199 --> 02:14:06,640
grave over. These three albums have done it. I have

2966
02:14:06,720 --> 02:14:09,159
been waiving the pisk Grave banner for almost ten years.

2967
02:14:09,359 --> 02:14:13,199
I still get a shock of combined fucking vomiting adrenaline

2968
02:14:13,279 --> 02:14:14,760
when this record starts.

2969
02:14:16,159 --> 02:14:18,520
Speaker 6: I mean, I think I've been serving the trenches about

2970
02:14:18,560 --> 02:14:21,000
as long as you have. I've had plenty of time

2971
02:14:21,279 --> 02:14:24,199
to adjust to the pisk Grave sound, and then this

2972
02:14:24,279 --> 02:14:31,359
came in and it was no more discernible, no more

2973
02:14:31,479 --> 02:14:37,840
digestible than what like posthumous Humiliation by the slimmest Margins.

2974
02:14:37,960 --> 02:14:40,640
Might be a more coherent, easy to get your head

2975
02:14:40,640 --> 02:14:43,640
around record than Suicidal for it, and I think this

2976
02:14:43,680 --> 02:14:47,960
album is more feral and unhinged than the last one.

2977
02:14:48,279 --> 02:14:51,520
So it's like if anything had softened and become like

2978
02:14:52,159 --> 02:14:56,920
remotely more like understandable, it doesn't matter because we're back

2979
02:14:57,000 --> 02:14:59,399
up to like piss Grave on eleven out of ten.

2980
02:14:59,720 --> 02:15:02,119
This album is fucking.

2981
02:15:01,920 --> 02:15:07,079
Speaker 1: Frightening inhertic Blood Christened is the most maniacal start to

2982
02:15:07,079 --> 02:15:09,359
a death metal records in pisk Grave last album. Right,

2983
02:15:09,399 --> 02:15:12,880
it's the guitar time that is really truly serrated, like

2984
02:15:12,920 --> 02:15:14,880
what the pisk Grave guys and Arthur Rizzik in the

2985
02:15:14,880 --> 02:15:17,119
studio are able to kind of cook up together. It's

2986
02:15:17,560 --> 02:15:20,079
like an electric knife of a guitar sound, just like

2987
02:15:20,119 --> 02:15:23,760
buzzing at you and the blast of kind of garbled

2988
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:26,880
vocal tracking. I think actually if you play if you

2989
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:29,039
would say, take one song of each record and play

2990
02:15:29,079 --> 02:15:32,319
them together production wise, I think this is the most

2991
02:15:32,359 --> 02:15:37,000
conventionally well produced one, and that is saying something right

2992
02:15:37,039 --> 02:15:40,600
because it's it's not about the production really. I mean

2993
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:43,199
the production is a factor, but obviously it's just about

2994
02:15:43,279 --> 02:15:45,680
how these guys play and the sound they've been able

2995
02:15:45,680 --> 02:15:51,000
to going to tune themselves into sam death metal enjoyer,

2996
02:15:51,199 --> 02:15:53,840
death metal lover. We reviewed many a death metal record,

2997
02:15:53,920 --> 02:15:57,119
but there's nothing quite like a pisk Grave record. How

2998
02:15:57,159 --> 02:15:59,720
did you find thirty three minutes of just absolute?

2999
02:16:00,079 --> 02:16:04,840
Speaker 5: It's like, I don't want to be the person who like, ah,

3000
02:16:04,920 --> 02:16:07,199
it's too much. I have problems with records beyond the

3001
02:16:07,279 --> 02:16:09,920
kind of like pure extremity of it, Like I I

3002
02:16:10,600 --> 02:16:13,680
can respect and maya a commitment to kind of being like, no,

3003
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:16,520
we are gonna just be the most extreme band possible.

3004
02:16:17,800 --> 02:16:19,960
I'm just like, there are any single song here apart from

3005
02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:21,239
maybe Inherited Blood Christens.

3006
02:16:21,279 --> 02:16:22,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're wrong there, and I think that's

3007
02:16:23,000 --> 02:16:26,760
I think that's respectable in terms of like most people

3008
02:16:26,760 --> 02:16:30,079
on Earth would hear this and go nah. But it's

3009
02:16:30,880 --> 02:16:34,079
always been with piss Grave. You know, you get through

3010
02:16:34,079 --> 02:16:37,440
the sound. But they have always been the sickest rift writers,

3011
02:16:37,479 --> 02:16:40,799
and there are riffs on this thing that are beautiful.

3012
02:16:40,959 --> 02:16:43,079
Speaker 4: There are riffs, I agree, I don't think there are songs.

3013
02:16:43,159 --> 02:16:45,600
Speaker 5: I mean they're the kind of just I mean Inheriting

3014
02:16:45,639 --> 02:16:47,879
Blood Christs, like the rifts go so hard on that

3015
02:16:47,959 --> 02:16:51,520
was like I was kind of like cautiously optimistic when

3016
02:16:51,559 --> 02:16:53,239
when that song, I kind of was like quite on

3017
02:16:53,280 --> 02:16:55,680
board with it, but the feeling just kind of like

3018
02:16:56,479 --> 02:16:58,600
drifted the way with each passing song.

3019
02:16:59,159 --> 02:17:01,520
Speaker 6: See for me, like the comparison the thing it's saying

3020
02:17:01,520 --> 02:17:03,200
about like there's riffs but not songs.

3021
02:17:04,040 --> 02:17:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't.

3022
02:17:04,559 --> 02:17:06,159
Speaker 6: I don't agree, but I kind of see what you're

3023
02:17:06,159 --> 02:17:08,200
getting out. For me, a comparison would be just to

3024
02:17:08,239 --> 02:17:10,680
the first couple of Napalm Death records, and it's like.

3025
02:17:11,360 --> 02:17:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not really like hits.

3026
02:17:13,000 --> 02:17:15,760
Speaker 6: There's there's not like a hammer smashed face or you know,

3027
02:17:15,799 --> 02:17:17,760
like god e emptiness or something like that, which is

3028
02:17:18,040 --> 02:17:22,799
a clearly like just traditionally written metal song. Maybe they

3029
02:17:22,799 --> 02:17:26,559
are just collections of riffs, but the sensation is such

3030
02:17:26,639 --> 02:17:29,959
that that's absolutely fine, Like the force of it and

3031
02:17:30,000 --> 02:17:31,639
the way they arrange the riffs, which I guess is

3032
02:17:31,680 --> 02:17:34,680
what song is really like, the way they weave them together.

3033
02:17:35,639 --> 02:17:39,440
It makes for thirty three minutes that if you're on

3034
02:17:39,559 --> 02:17:41,479
if you're on their wavelength, it's just pure magic.

3035
02:17:41,639 --> 02:17:41,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3036
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:44,639
Speaker 1: I think the song point is almost kind of besides

3037
02:17:44,680 --> 02:17:47,200
the point because I would use the examples Full of

3038
02:17:47,239 --> 02:17:50,840
Hell right, Like do Full of Hell records have songs

3039
02:17:50,959 --> 02:17:53,040
on them? I mean they've got you know, tracks that

3040
02:17:53,079 --> 02:17:56,200
I remember and stuff, but they're not bangers. I mean,

3041
02:17:56,280 --> 02:17:57,440
some of them are bangers, but like you know that,

3042
02:17:57,639 --> 02:17:59,200
you know what I mean, They're not like full on

3043
02:18:00,200 --> 02:18:04,559
defined verse chorus, verse, chorus, No, No, they're not. They

3044
02:18:04,600 --> 02:18:07,520
are you know, sonic experiences that are jammed with parts

3045
02:18:07,520 --> 02:18:08,920
and stuff. And I think pist Grave and a Deathite

3046
02:18:08,920 --> 02:18:11,920
around doing something very similar and this is there are

3047
02:18:12,200 --> 02:18:15,360
lots of parts on this that just make me grin,

3048
02:18:15,479 --> 02:18:17,639
make you want a bang my head, that do have

3049
02:18:17,799 --> 02:18:20,639
the kind of cemented themselves. I mean, my fucking my

3050
02:18:20,719 --> 02:18:24,959
vinyl record of this actually turned up today, so I

3051
02:18:25,000 --> 02:18:26,639
was listening to it and just you know, having so

3052
02:18:26,760 --> 02:18:28,879
much fun with each new riff, and there are parts

3053
02:18:28,879 --> 02:18:31,319
that have, you know, put themselves into my head. And

3054
02:18:31,319 --> 02:18:34,079
that's what I love about Pittsgrave is they are genuinely

3055
02:18:34,079 --> 02:18:36,600
some of the sickest death metal riffers. You know around

3056
02:18:36,680 --> 02:18:38,959
right now, but they have plugged into a sound that

3057
02:18:39,079 --> 02:18:43,159
is it's okay to be more challenging to people's sensibilities

3058
02:18:43,200 --> 02:18:45,559
than you know, the average deafthmat bad is that's kind

3059
02:18:45,600 --> 02:18:47,920
of their thing, right, Like, this is not like ooh

3060
02:18:47,959 --> 02:18:51,079
an undeath record, Oh to understab Wins. Records like Pitsgrave

3061
02:18:51,799 --> 02:18:56,120
have always gone beyond that, and to some that will

3062
02:18:56,200 --> 02:18:58,520
kind of lessen their appeal, but it is also what

3063
02:18:58,559 --> 02:19:01,319
has made them and out And if you're in with

3064
02:19:01,399 --> 02:19:06,159
piss Grave, then you're fucking in. And this is the

3065
02:19:06,200 --> 02:19:08,959
third record again in a trilogy that has delivered for

3066
02:19:09,079 --> 02:19:12,200
me just some of the most exhilarating death metal of

3067
02:19:12,200 --> 02:19:12,959
that entire period.

3068
02:19:13,440 --> 02:19:14,920
Speaker 5: It's why I don't want to rag on this album

3069
02:19:14,959 --> 02:19:18,600
too much, because I totally agree with what you're coming from.

3070
02:19:18,639 --> 02:19:21,239
Where like the the aim and the thrill is in

3071
02:19:21,399 --> 02:19:24,639
that extremity, and so I'm like, this is just so

3072
02:19:24,760 --> 02:19:26,520
out of my lane, even as someone who is like

3073
02:19:26,799 --> 02:19:28,760
all in on like a lot of death metal now,

3074
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:32,440
because it's just so pushing that thing to like the most,

3075
02:19:32,600 --> 02:19:36,520
like the vocals are the the issue if I like,

3076
02:19:37,159 --> 02:19:40,120
the biggest sticking point I have that just every time

3077
02:19:40,280 --> 02:19:41,840
I saw them, like, come on, come on, I'm.

3078
02:19:41,680 --> 02:19:44,280
Speaker 4: Getting ah no, he's making that noise.

3079
02:19:44,520 --> 02:19:47,799
Speaker 5: I don't like that noise, making that noise please, But

3080
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:49,760
I like again, like for me, this is just so

3081
02:19:50,040 --> 02:19:53,000
out of my kind of like wavelength that I'll talk

3082
02:19:53,159 --> 02:19:54,840
up to just not for me. I ain't gonna ra

3083
02:19:55,840 --> 02:19:59,559
kind of like, go, isn't this the best most horridly

3084
02:19:59,719 --> 02:20:01,040
like viobent.

3085
02:20:02,479 --> 02:20:03,319
Speaker 1: To mad and boy is.

3086
02:20:03,440 --> 02:20:06,239
Speaker 6: But I totally get it though, because when I first

3087
02:20:06,280 --> 02:20:09,760
got into Pisgrave, I I just thought it was like

3088
02:20:09,799 --> 02:20:11,479
Last Dais of Humanity or something like one of my

3089
02:20:11,479 --> 02:20:14,319
favorite extreme records ever is Puture Faction in Progress by

3090
02:20:14,399 --> 02:20:15,920
Last Dais of Humanity. Now, there was that thing you

3091
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:18,399
say about not having songs. There is not a song

3092
02:20:18,600 --> 02:20:21,319
on that record. It's like forty to fifty tracks or something,

3093
02:20:21,639 --> 02:20:25,239
the most obnoxious gore grind and I just put it

3094
02:20:25,239 --> 02:20:27,639
on and it's almost it becomes white noise. I just

3095
02:20:27,719 --> 02:20:29,639
let it wash over me. Yeah, I'm sort of like

3096
02:20:29,639 --> 02:20:32,239
addicted to it. And when I first heard suicidealf where

3097
02:20:32,280 --> 02:20:34,159
I thought, oh fucking someone's done that thing and they've

3098
02:20:34,159 --> 02:20:36,079
taken it further. And then it was only on repeated

3099
02:20:36,079 --> 02:20:38,239
listens that start to go wait, hang on, No, these

3100
02:20:38,239 --> 02:20:41,280
are these riffs fucking rock. And it means that when

3101
02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:43,600
I put this record on and for the first time,

3102
02:20:44,559 --> 02:20:46,520
I'm already kind of tuned into the frequencies that even

3103
02:20:46,520 --> 02:20:48,600
if the sound is still shocking, I kind of know

3104
02:20:48,600 --> 02:20:53,079
what to expect. And there are so many on this record,

3105
02:20:53,399 --> 02:20:56,159
like heaping Pile of Electrified Gore, which might be the

3106
02:20:56,159 --> 02:20:59,760
best song title of the year so far. Like that's

3107
02:20:59,799 --> 02:21:02,559
just like an avalanche of riffs. Every single one is fantastic.

3108
02:21:03,360 --> 02:21:06,760
I don't have to say this ignominy a putre.

3109
02:21:06,600 --> 02:21:08,559
Speaker 1: Faction, which, by the way, I have a long sleeve

3110
02:21:08,600 --> 02:21:11,200
from the last pis Grave album cycle with that title

3111
02:21:11,239 --> 02:21:13,040
on it, so that has been kicking around. This is

3112
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:15,079
like when Spectro Voice did be Kadaver right, that these

3113
02:21:15,120 --> 02:21:17,760
bands just come up with cool phrases and then sit

3114
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:19,760
on them for years and then it has turned up

3115
02:21:19,799 --> 02:21:21,360
on the next record. Iuldn't believe it when I saw that.

3116
02:21:22,920 --> 02:21:24,120
Speaker 6: I mean when I saw that, I didn't think I

3117
02:21:24,120 --> 02:21:24,879
wonder if parents.

3118
02:21:24,680 --> 02:21:29,440
Speaker 1: Gone on a ship? Almost always yes, but that the

3119
02:21:29,440 --> 02:21:32,040
most riff on that it that see that to me

3120
02:21:32,120 --> 02:21:34,200
wouldn't sound out a place on a Nails record, which

3121
02:21:34,680 --> 02:21:37,200
might be like a hair less extreme than this sort

3122
02:21:37,239 --> 02:21:39,520
of thing, but that's the sort of reference point I'm making,

3123
02:21:39,719 --> 02:21:44,879
like Intimone Orgy like that record, like it's chop on.

3124
02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:47,600
Speaker 5: That unreasonably hard. That might be one of my record

3125
02:21:47,719 --> 02:21:48,559
That riff is wicked.

3126
02:21:48,600 --> 02:21:51,520
Speaker 1: That riff is fucking awesome. Like you know, when we

3127
02:21:51,559 --> 02:21:54,079
said when the single came out, the main verse riff

3128
02:21:54,120 --> 02:21:57,959
that hits forty seconds into Inherited Blood Christened is just

3129
02:21:58,639 --> 02:22:01,360
death battle with real behind it. Like it makes me

3130
02:22:01,479 --> 02:22:04,239
grimace and then grin after I've grimaced, because it's just

3131
02:22:04,319 --> 02:22:07,719
it's sado masochistic what a riff like that does for you.

3132
02:22:08,639 --> 02:22:12,079
And the whole second half of that then kind of

3133
02:22:12,159 --> 02:22:15,639
grinding into this like slow, you know, forcing your head

3134
02:22:15,760 --> 02:22:19,479
under tempo and the beginning of three degrees of darkness

3135
02:22:19,479 --> 02:22:21,600
with a kind of pitch shifted vocal intro. It's almost

3136
02:22:21,639 --> 02:22:24,079
like you're under the surface now kind of drowning in

3137
02:22:24,159 --> 02:22:28,040
like whatever scum concoction you've been immersed in vocally. I

3138
02:22:28,040 --> 02:22:32,159
mean like yeah, I mean, I love the extreme, Like Daft,

3139
02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:35,680
one of the only things that's taken the you know,

3140
02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:39,280
vocal distortion pioneered by the likes of Glen Benton on

3141
02:22:39,319 --> 02:22:41,920
the very early day side, but you kind of into

3142
02:22:41,959 --> 02:22:44,079
a new level of whatever. I love it, but I

3143
02:22:44,120 --> 02:22:47,600
do love the moments when weird curve balls come through it.

3144
02:22:47,639 --> 02:22:50,520
Like there's a really unsettling section towards the end of

3145
02:22:50,559 --> 02:22:53,079
heaping part of electrode Gore when he almost says like

3146
02:22:53,079 --> 02:22:55,559
a spoken word part or something, but like through the

3147
02:22:55,639 --> 02:22:58,159
vocal thing and it almost sounds like godflesh or like

3148
02:22:58,159 --> 02:23:00,360
that kind of when that weird droning spoken and you know,

3149
02:23:00,479 --> 02:23:03,120
just in broader it thing or you know, a really

3150
02:23:03,280 --> 02:23:06,639
nightmarish kind of ritualistic kind of you know, piece of language.

3151
02:23:06,719 --> 02:23:10,440
It's really really dark and kind of unsettling. And what

3152
02:23:10,520 --> 02:23:12,280
has made me stick with pisk Grave all through these

3153
02:23:12,360 --> 02:23:15,559
years is I mean, there are tons of fucking ear

3154
02:23:15,600 --> 02:23:18,639
gorgrind records or whatever that are shocking in sound, maybe

3155
02:23:18,680 --> 02:23:20,040
not in the way piss Grave is, but like most

3156
02:23:20,079 --> 02:23:23,440
of them don't stick with me. Piss Grave top draw riffers,

3157
02:23:23,440 --> 02:23:28,360
and there are just so many parts That main riff

3158
02:23:28,360 --> 02:23:30,280
in in term and AUGI, which you've mentioned, is so

3159
02:23:30,760 --> 02:23:34,559
hooky and immediate as a groove. The main riff in

3160
02:23:34,680 --> 02:23:37,520
the title track is almost like a kind of fettied

3161
02:23:37,680 --> 02:23:40,079
upgrade on like a Steve Tucker Morbid Angel rift, Like

3162
02:23:40,079 --> 02:23:43,879
it has just like horrible rolling tripler sensation. There's a

3163
02:23:43,959 --> 02:23:47,040
very similar kind of feel on Dissident Amputator as well,

3164
02:23:47,079 --> 02:23:49,840
but that has this like jackhammer kind of snare kind

3165
02:23:49,840 --> 02:23:51,200
of going through it as well. That has a different,

3166
02:23:51,719 --> 02:23:55,360
slimy sort of feel. And I really was taken aback

3167
02:23:55,399 --> 02:23:58,280
by the intro of Heaping Pile of Electrified Gore has

3168
02:23:58,280 --> 02:24:02,920
this real like kind of old school and accentuation kind

3169
02:24:02,959 --> 02:24:05,079
of like dead. It almost sounds like it could be

3170
02:24:05,159 --> 02:24:08,120
the intro to like pull the plug by Death or

3171
02:24:08,159 --> 02:24:11,959
something like. It has actually a bit of eighties death

3172
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:15,239
metal thrash era kind of you know sound in it,

3173
02:24:15,879 --> 02:24:18,399
and it's you know, a case of that not being

3174
02:24:18,719 --> 02:24:20,959
i know, less evolved or less extreme because it has that.

3175
02:24:21,000 --> 02:24:23,600
It's just a remarkable moment in the song that they

3176
02:24:23,600 --> 02:24:24,920
have taken up to this kind of level.

3177
02:24:25,719 --> 02:24:28,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think I don't know where to

3178
02:24:28,719 --> 02:24:30,719
rank this in the Pisgrave catalog, but I think it

3179
02:24:30,799 --> 02:24:34,319
might be it might be their best record for riffs.

3180
02:24:35,000 --> 02:24:36,879
I'm not sure that it's maybe too early to say,

3181
02:24:37,079 --> 02:24:40,799
but like I I mean, the fucking title track like

3182
02:24:40,799 --> 02:24:46,200
that slam that's so insistent to me if you can

3183
02:24:46,239 --> 02:24:50,520
get on its wavelength, I don't see how even like

3184
02:24:50,559 --> 02:24:53,120
a fairly casual death metal fan.

3185
02:24:54,159 --> 02:24:55,600
Speaker 3: I mean, like, there's stuff on this record.

3186
02:24:55,639 --> 02:24:58,680
Speaker 6: I think the point you're making like, I think there's

3187
02:24:58,680 --> 02:25:02,760
stuff only that a more casual death metal found will

3188
02:25:02,799 --> 02:25:03,239
relate to.

3189
02:25:04,399 --> 02:25:07,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think they've utilized like mental war

3190
02:25:07,760 --> 02:25:11,079
dissonant solos about as well as anyone since Hanamon and King,

3191
02:25:11,239 --> 02:25:13,440
like the one that opens Lamentation of Weeping Wounds is

3192
02:25:13,479 --> 02:25:16,440
just like truly disorientating. But I've always loved when pisc

3193
02:25:16,440 --> 02:25:19,399
Grave do slow and I think it's it's almost an

3194
02:25:19,399 --> 02:25:22,159
antidote to what Sam was saying about kind of the

3195
02:25:22,239 --> 02:25:23,719
lack of songs, because I think it's easy to draw

3196
02:25:23,760 --> 02:25:27,440
attention to how hilariously cartoon extreme they are when they

3197
02:25:27,600 --> 02:25:30,079
go fast, and they always they open their records that

3198
02:25:30,120 --> 02:25:32,639
way for a reason, right, it's maximum audio battery. But

3199
02:25:32,719 --> 02:25:34,920
when they draw out and ride on a rift for

3200
02:25:34,959 --> 02:25:39,840
a long time, dissident Amputator on this it's so queasy

3201
02:25:39,959 --> 02:25:42,760
and necrotic and rotted, and it gives me that sensation

3202
02:25:42,840 --> 02:25:45,559
that you know, death metal's kinds supposed to to give me.

3203
02:25:45,840 --> 02:25:48,159
And I think the approach of Pists Grave have of

3204
02:25:48,200 --> 02:25:50,920
death metal that is still based on great rifts on

3205
02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:54,920
great grooves, but it has the power to be genuinely

3206
02:25:54,959 --> 02:25:58,399
antagonistic with that in a way that most death metal

3207
02:25:58,440 --> 02:26:00,280
bands who play great rifts and great grooves have kind

3208
02:26:00,319 --> 02:26:06,520
of stopped being The way this album ends just a

3209
02:26:06,639 --> 02:26:09,760
trick that I can't believe. I didn't see coming. But

3210
02:26:09,959 --> 02:26:13,319
it is such a I mean, that's a curtain call.

3211
02:26:13,440 --> 02:26:13,680
You know.

3212
02:26:15,079 --> 02:26:18,479
Speaker 6: It's like the CD itself is giving up. I mean

3213
02:26:18,559 --> 02:26:20,159
like like it gets to the end of the hour

3214
02:26:20,159 --> 02:26:24,360
and it's like there's nowhere to go, like curtain call exactly. Put,

3215
02:26:24,360 --> 02:26:26,479
it's like the band are bowing out. How do we

3216
02:26:26,520 --> 02:26:31,479
go out as extreme, as nihilistic, as like sickening as

3217
02:26:31,479 --> 02:26:36,440
we possibly can? Just descend into harsh noise? Yes, take

3218
02:26:36,479 --> 02:26:41,239
it to a point where the limits of recorded sound

3219
02:26:41,719 --> 02:26:42,879
won't take you any further.

3220
02:26:43,120 --> 02:26:46,040
Speaker 1: You see again, I was staring at my LP spinning.

3221
02:26:46,040 --> 02:26:47,280
I'm just like, when will it end? You know?

3222
02:26:47,319 --> 02:26:48,799
Speaker 4: It's just going and going.

3223
02:26:49,120 --> 02:26:50,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And this is what I'm saying that I think

3224
02:26:50,719 --> 02:26:54,840
they do have this like experimental sludge or grind like

3225
02:26:55,000 --> 02:26:58,000
approach to death metal, and I think obvious peer and

3226
02:26:58,040 --> 02:26:59,600
when you look at it, like, yeah, that's something that

3227
02:26:59,680 --> 02:27:02,120
like Full of Hell would be expected to do. But

3228
02:27:02,680 --> 02:27:04,280
how many bands in the world of kind of old

3229
02:27:04,280 --> 02:27:06,840
school death metal are able to push those same sort

3230
02:27:06,879 --> 02:27:09,879
of buttons. I mean, obviously if you like stuff like that,

3231
02:27:09,879 --> 02:27:11,399
but you've never really got into death netals so much,

3232
02:27:11,399 --> 02:27:13,120
I would say, piss Gravear. You know one who could

3233
02:27:13,159 --> 02:27:15,600
kind of, you know, grab your interest a little because

3234
02:27:15,639 --> 02:27:18,959
they go to those out there places and it just

3235
02:27:19,239 --> 02:27:23,520
co copronizing itself, blendings into this wall of harsh noise

3236
02:27:23,719 --> 02:27:26,040
is I mean, I was eating my dinner while listening

3237
02:27:26,040 --> 02:27:28,280
to this album yesterday, which is already a bad cool

3238
02:27:28,319 --> 02:27:31,079
I know, but like I ate a bit of sausage

3239
02:27:31,079 --> 02:27:32,239
that was a bit too hot, and I had that

3240
02:27:32,280 --> 02:27:35,239
horrible burning sensation in my chest exactly as that noise

3241
02:27:35,280 --> 02:27:37,280
bit was hitting, and for a few seconds I thought

3242
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:42,559
I was gonna die. It was amazing. I mean, we

3243
02:27:43,360 --> 02:27:45,399
praised the likes of Undeath and so on for being

3244
02:27:45,600 --> 02:27:47,959
fun death metal, and that has its place. They're great

3245
02:27:47,959 --> 02:27:50,600
at it. We need those bands. This is not fun

3246
02:27:50,639 --> 02:27:53,760
death metal. If there is fun to be found, it's

3247
02:27:53,840 --> 02:27:57,319
through how evil and antagonistic it is, but I think

3248
02:27:57,360 --> 02:27:59,200
it's good as well that we have death metal bands

3249
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:04,719
who have real conviction still in death metal being antagonistic

3250
02:28:04,879 --> 02:28:07,399
and harmful and like, you know, it's like the least

3251
02:28:07,440 --> 02:28:11,120
gentrified death metal you know. And with that with pis Grave,

3252
02:28:11,159 --> 02:28:12,760
it's always come, you know, just in the way something

3253
02:28:12,840 --> 02:28:15,280
like some black metal bands who take being antagonistic or

3254
02:28:15,360 --> 02:28:17,840
edgy whatever like too seriously. That will come with a

3255
02:28:17,920 --> 02:28:20,120
level of like is that for you or not? Do

3256
02:28:20,159 --> 02:28:23,719
you find something powerful in that? Or would you rather

3257
02:28:23,799 --> 02:28:26,120
listen to extreme metal that doesn't take itself quite so

3258
02:28:26,120 --> 02:28:27,920
seriously or whatever and is a bit more welcoming to people.

3259
02:28:27,959 --> 02:28:31,239
That's you know, your discretion as a listener. But again

3260
02:28:31,280 --> 02:28:34,479
they unapologetically made up that isn't for everyone, and the

3261
02:28:34,559 --> 02:28:37,280
result is that has made them stand out in the

3262
02:28:37,360 --> 02:28:39,479
last decade of death metal. I mean, this is one

3263
02:28:39,479 --> 02:28:40,840
of the handful of death net records that's got on

3264
02:28:40,840 --> 02:28:44,079
reviewed in pitchwork of late, like they are still kind

3265
02:28:44,120 --> 02:28:46,840
of turning heads even though it is just all out violence.

3266
02:28:46,920 --> 02:28:50,920
And this is the the capping of a kind of

3267
02:28:50,920 --> 02:28:53,319
almost mini project of death metal that I think has

3268
02:28:53,440 --> 02:28:56,680
seen that kind of be revived in a way that

3269
02:28:56,680 --> 02:28:59,399
we haven't really seen since it's heyday.

3270
02:29:00,040 --> 02:29:04,440
Speaker 5: I mean it's exactly again why Like I'm totally like

3271
02:29:04,879 --> 02:29:07,319
hesit to sort of call like to criticize some because

3272
02:29:07,319 --> 02:29:10,559
I think it is so it is so successful at

3273
02:29:10,600 --> 02:29:14,200
its aim. It like it is for what they want

3274
02:29:14,200 --> 02:29:16,559
to do. It's probably a ten out of ten in

3275
02:29:16,719 --> 02:29:19,479
kind of achieving in that. I know, I can totally

3276
02:29:19,520 --> 02:29:21,799
respect that anyway, it is not that not all it

3277
02:29:21,920 --> 02:29:25,120
has to be for everyone iRED percent back that as

3278
02:29:25,120 --> 02:29:28,719
a sort of sentiment, and I think like extreme art

3279
02:29:28,760 --> 02:29:32,639
that is too extreme should exist, And I'm glad pisk

3280
02:29:32,639 --> 02:29:35,200
Grave have like had this trilogy where I've gone, like,

3281
02:29:36,159 --> 02:29:38,120
ay for fucking me that first song. You know, I

3282
02:29:38,159 --> 02:29:39,440
get my fill of it on that first song, and

3283
02:29:39,799 --> 02:29:42,559
like call that that that fucking goes, But I don't

3284
02:29:42,600 --> 02:29:45,879
need thirty one minutes of it. But as a sort

3285
02:29:45,879 --> 02:29:48,559
of boundary pushing sort of pushing the limits of taste

3286
02:29:48,559 --> 02:29:52,319
of extreme and all that, I can take my half

3287
02:29:52,360 --> 02:29:53,680
to pisk Grave and kind of be like you've fucking

3288
02:29:53,719 --> 02:29:56,719
done it, Like you are impressive in that regard. Even

3289
02:29:56,760 --> 02:29:59,719
if I were kind of like I'm unlikely to revisit

3290
02:29:59,760 --> 02:30:01,639
this anytime the world.

3291
02:30:01,479 --> 02:30:03,040
Speaker 1: Was more interesting for having piss Grave in it.

3292
02:30:03,680 --> 02:30:06,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that that kind of like nearly some

3293
02:30:06,280 --> 02:30:08,200
of my feeling. But maybe I'll come back to this

3294
02:30:08,280 --> 02:30:10,040
at some point of mentioning kind of go like, ah,

3295
02:30:10,040 --> 02:30:13,639
there's those riffs that they're cool, but good on piss

3296
02:30:13,639 --> 02:30:15,719
Grave what they've done.

3297
02:30:16,600 --> 02:30:19,879
Speaker 6: I'm I'm weirdly comforted by the existence of piss Grave

3298
02:30:20,040 --> 02:30:22,280
in the sense that, like, if we were to talk

3299
02:30:22,319 --> 02:30:25,879
about the most distressing, appalling, upsetting music made in the

3300
02:30:25,959 --> 02:30:28,479
last decade, the two artists that come to mind, and

3301
02:30:28,559 --> 02:30:32,159
for completely different reasons, are piss Grave and Linguid Ignota.

3302
02:30:32,639 --> 02:30:37,879
And there's a sort of a perverse pride I feel

3303
02:30:38,079 --> 02:30:40,559
that one of those bands is a metal band, because

3304
02:30:40,840 --> 02:30:43,319
we're so often told that, you know, not even just

3305
02:30:43,319 --> 02:30:46,600
definite but mestal itself, it's not gonna get more extreme.

3306
02:30:46,639 --> 02:30:48,120
If you really want to get too extreme stuff, you have

3307
02:30:48,159 --> 02:30:50,120
to enter the realm of the sort of the avant garde,

3308
02:30:50,239 --> 02:30:53,200
or like all the limits have already been pushed, and

3309
02:30:53,280 --> 02:30:57,600
for this ostensibly sort of scuzzy death metal band to go, nah,

3310
02:30:58,079 --> 02:31:03,120
it goes further. I it makes me so excited. Yeah,

3311
02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:05,079
I mean, it's February, and I think unless one of

3312
02:31:05,120 --> 02:31:08,280
the giants come out with a stonker even then I'd

3313
02:31:08,280 --> 02:31:10,719
say this is the death metal event release of the year,

3314
02:31:10,879 --> 02:31:14,079
wrapped up like no one else is going to strip.

3315
02:31:13,840 --> 02:31:16,239
Speaker 1: The flesh from your body the way. I've ordered this

3316
02:31:16,239 --> 02:31:18,440
album on tape as well, because that's the that's the

3317
02:31:18,520 --> 02:31:23,040
right way to do it. Piss Grave Malignant Worthlessness. We

3318
02:31:23,120 --> 02:31:24,120
are going to be bringing you a bit of a

3319
02:31:24,120 --> 02:31:28,000
feast of guey death metal because alongside piss Grave, our

3320
02:31:28,040 --> 02:31:31,200
next album is from Vacuus. It's called In His Blood.

3321
02:31:31,440 --> 02:31:33,680
I think if the piss Grave is still a bit much,

3322
02:31:34,280 --> 02:31:36,000
I mean, I hope the Vacuous guys don't get, you know,

3323
02:31:36,040 --> 02:31:38,040
too upset with me for saying this might be slightly

3324
02:31:38,079 --> 02:31:41,639
more accommodating two people, but this is still some really

3325
02:31:41,680 --> 02:31:44,840
filthy death metal that you should be scoopinging to your

3326
02:31:44,879 --> 02:31:48,719
ears like bloody pulp. Vacuus are a UK death metal

3327
02:31:48,760 --> 02:31:52,040
band formed around I guess the pandemic. The first time

3328
02:31:52,079 --> 02:31:54,639
I heard of them was the twenty twenty two edition

3329
02:31:54,760 --> 02:31:57,000
of UK death Fest that we had. They opened up

3330
02:31:57,000 --> 02:31:59,680
the pre show and that was cool and you know,

3331
02:31:59,719 --> 02:32:01,440
someone my friends and you know people in the know

3332
02:32:01,559 --> 02:32:03,000
and the UK death metal scene like the Crypts of

3333
02:32:03,040 --> 02:32:05,079
the Wizard and some places like that very much backing

3334
02:32:05,079 --> 02:32:07,239
them kind of in their earlier stages. And then I

3335
02:32:07,319 --> 02:32:09,520
learned that the drummer in this band, Max, is the

3336
02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:12,600
live drummer in hell Ripper's band. So if you've seen

3337
02:32:12,639 --> 02:32:15,120
hell Ripper live, it's that kind of animal from the

3338
02:32:15,200 --> 02:32:17,200
Muppets energy on the drums that you see in that band,

3339
02:32:17,200 --> 02:32:20,000
their power and the kit here on this record. Their

3340
02:32:20,040 --> 02:32:21,959
first album is a really just good piece of kind

3341
02:32:22,000 --> 02:32:24,639
of gross underground death metal. But I was really stoked,

3342
02:32:24,760 --> 02:32:27,760
like for them when they signed to Relapsed Records for

3343
02:32:27,799 --> 02:32:31,319
this album, like a legendary US label label baits now

3344
02:32:31,360 --> 02:32:34,479
with with Pig Destroyer and you know, Incantation and Dying Fetus.

3345
02:32:35,079 --> 02:32:37,000
I sort of just expected them to stay on you know,

3346
02:32:37,079 --> 02:32:39,000
some of the smaller death metal destroyers. So that was

3347
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:40,840
a really cool announcement to see, I mean, go on me,

3348
02:32:41,040 --> 02:32:43,159
you know, interested in this album because I thought, you know, hey,

3349
02:32:43,280 --> 02:32:45,799
like with that kind of backing, could this be another

3350
02:32:45,799 --> 02:32:47,399
death metal band who you know, like you know, start

3351
02:32:47,399 --> 02:32:48,719
to make a few more waves and kind of impress

3352
02:32:48,760 --> 02:32:51,520
a lot more people. Second album from Vacuus maybe the

3353
02:32:51,520 --> 02:32:54,440
first one that we've come into contact with in his blood,

3354
02:32:54,600 --> 02:32:55,280
what do you reckon?

3355
02:32:56,680 --> 02:32:58,879
Speaker 5: I think this is wicked, Like as on we lad

3356
02:32:58,920 --> 02:33:00,840
like a tough time with Pispay, I've I think this

3357
02:33:01,000 --> 02:33:01,760
fucking ripsa.

3358
02:33:02,360 --> 02:33:02,959
Speaker 4: It's definitely.

3359
02:33:02,959 --> 02:33:05,479
Speaker 5: It's kind of got a bit of like power violence

3360
02:33:05,559 --> 02:33:07,840
and grindcore going on, all these sort of other elements

3361
02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:10,200
going onto it, and it's just kind of like hard

3362
02:33:10,239 --> 02:33:14,000
album hard album title, like let's just fucking rip out

3363
02:33:14,000 --> 02:33:17,360
the riffs in like frantics or pain violence sort of

3364
02:33:17,399 --> 02:33:20,280
like I think this is, yeah, just a really cool

3365
02:33:20,360 --> 02:33:22,319
kind of bombard things that does as it goes on

3366
02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:24,799
fine kind of new little pockets to sort of tap

3367
02:33:24,840 --> 02:33:26,000
into to keep it interesting.

3368
02:33:26,840 --> 02:33:27,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3369
02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I was vaguely familiar with the Vacuus before

3370
02:33:29,399 --> 02:33:31,680
we decided to do this record, and I thought i'd

3371
02:33:31,719 --> 02:33:34,440
heard some of their last record, But I question now

3372
02:33:34,440 --> 02:33:36,719
if I have, because I feel like i'd remember if

3373
02:33:36,760 --> 02:33:38,360
I did if it sounds anything like this. I think

3374
02:33:38,399 --> 02:33:40,719
that the last one is more straightforward than this. This

3375
02:33:40,799 --> 02:33:44,799
has an interesting kind of like they've decided to experiment

3376
02:33:44,799 --> 02:33:48,479
a bit, which I think is again like commendable. Well, yeah,

3377
02:33:48,479 --> 02:33:51,120
because On my first rung through this, I was almost thinking, like,

3378
02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:54,520
I'm I suppose it's death metal, but that doesn't really

3379
02:33:54,559 --> 02:33:55,719
capture what it is like.

3380
02:33:55,879 --> 02:33:56,040
Speaker 4: To me.

3381
02:33:56,079 --> 02:33:59,079
Speaker 6: It almost speaks to that great tradition of like British

3382
02:33:59,079 --> 02:34:01,840
extreme metal, which doesn't really fit into any one box

3383
02:34:02,079 --> 02:34:04,159
or that neatly because it's like there's you know, like

3384
02:34:04,159 --> 02:34:07,280
you say, power violence, hardcore, there's a sort of industrial

3385
02:34:07,399 --> 02:34:10,280
aspect some of it like noise rock. Like to just

3386
02:34:10,319 --> 02:34:11,920
call it death metal doesn't really capture all that.

3387
02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:14,200
Speaker 3: But what I think is great.

3388
02:34:13,959 --> 02:34:17,520
Speaker 6: About this record is, you know, typically with an extreme

3389
02:34:17,559 --> 02:34:19,399
metal allow if you go there's all these different, various

3390
02:34:19,399 --> 02:34:23,360
influences bloody, bloody blah that would typically denote some kind

3391
02:34:23,360 --> 02:34:26,559
of like uber complex like seventy minute labyrinth of a record.

3392
02:34:26,719 --> 02:34:29,479
This seems like thirty minutes long, and it makes for

3393
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:34,600
a super like densely woven listening experience, like it's like

3394
02:34:34,639 --> 02:34:36,680
a sort of tightly coiled spring. It's just there's a

3395
02:34:36,760 --> 02:34:40,040
tension all the way through it, which isn't typical of

3396
02:34:40,120 --> 02:34:41,200
most death metal bands.

3397
02:34:41,520 --> 02:34:44,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was really again encouraged and impressed by some

3398
02:34:44,719 --> 02:34:49,440
of the kind of boldness of different places to I

3399
02:34:49,479 --> 02:34:52,040
guess just open mindedness of like, we've got some death

3400
02:34:52,040 --> 02:34:53,840
metal riffs that you know, we're very accomplished at playing.

3401
02:34:53,840 --> 02:34:55,559
We've kind of you know, we've been playing this already.

3402
02:34:56,200 --> 02:34:57,879
What kind of shape can we arrange them in? And

3403
02:34:57,879 --> 02:35:00,440
how can we you know, twist them to ether into

3404
02:35:00,440 --> 02:35:03,200
an album. It does some things that are slightly less

3405
02:35:03,200 --> 02:35:05,600
common with that style of music that I think is

3406
02:35:05,879 --> 02:35:08,120
where again you're starting to see like Vacuous being a

3407
02:35:08,120 --> 02:35:09,639
band who have a bit of a you know, an

3408
02:35:09,680 --> 02:35:12,079
identity about them. I mean, I love that, you know,

3409
02:35:12,120 --> 02:35:15,000
it starts with first is kind of neat little drum lick,

3410
02:35:15,079 --> 02:35:17,280
but then not a gutterer, but a whale, like a

3411
02:35:17,280 --> 02:35:19,760
real kind of ah. And it's got this feel of

3412
02:35:20,840 --> 02:35:24,319
something that is embracing the slightly more evil, unhind sides

3413
02:35:24,360 --> 02:35:27,319
of extreme music, not just limited to the fundamentals of

3414
02:35:27,360 --> 02:35:29,319
groovy death metal. Like it's got a bit of a

3415
02:35:29,959 --> 02:35:33,760
crazy eyes, unpredictable personality about it that I think the

3416
02:35:34,120 --> 02:35:37,879
fundamental and the foundation is still like meaty, groovy, gory

3417
02:35:37,959 --> 02:35:40,040
death metal, but it has a bit more of that,

3418
02:35:40,239 --> 02:35:43,159
as said, unpredictable spirit than you would normally expect from

3419
02:35:43,200 --> 02:35:45,479
that kind of fundamental basis and to me it makes

3420
02:35:45,479 --> 02:35:46,799
it a bit more exciting than some of the more

3421
02:35:46,799 --> 02:35:50,440
slightly stock stuff in that you know, realm. I mean again,

3422
02:35:50,520 --> 02:35:53,000
just like the cover art, it's not quite a conventional

3423
02:35:53,000 --> 02:35:55,399
death metal artwork, but it's really skin crawling, you know,

3424
02:35:55,559 --> 02:35:59,159
just sort of the walls of some torture dungeon or something.

3425
02:35:59,520 --> 02:36:01,319
And that opening title track it's got that, you know,

3426
02:36:01,399 --> 02:36:04,959
sort of manic punk like the fast end of Autopsy,

3427
02:36:05,159 --> 02:36:08,879
you kind of drunken maniac feel. There's a song called

3428
02:36:08,920 --> 02:36:11,959
Immersion later which is really speedy as well, and they've

3429
02:36:11,959 --> 02:36:16,159
got that real elasticity of rhythm that works for them

3430
02:36:16,200 --> 02:36:19,559
on the turns of pace. You look at the opening

3431
02:36:19,559 --> 02:36:22,200
minute alone of stress positions and the way that they

3432
02:36:22,280 --> 02:36:26,079
kind of catapult themselves through different tempos like each one

3433
02:36:26,120 --> 02:36:29,680
really kicks. The way this moves around, like the sort

3434
02:36:29,719 --> 02:36:32,559
of the the yanking back and forth of it. And

3435
02:36:32,719 --> 02:36:34,879
this might sound like quite dizzying praise, but I sort

3436
02:36:34,920 --> 02:36:35,799
of qualify it.

3437
02:36:35,799 --> 02:36:37,159
Speaker 3: It wasn't too disimilar to.

3438
02:36:37,479 --> 02:36:41,000
Speaker 6: Something like Code Orange with Forever, like the way that

3439
02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:42,920
sort of introduced glitchiness and of the sort of horror

3440
02:36:42,959 --> 02:36:45,680
movie soundscapes and those uneasy riffs. It seems to operate

3441
02:36:45,719 --> 02:36:48,360
on their own logic. I saw quite a few parallels.

3442
02:36:48,399 --> 02:36:50,360
And I'm not say this is as good as that record,

3443
02:36:50,559 --> 02:36:52,680
you know, because that's sort of seen as a classic now,

3444
02:36:52,959 --> 02:36:55,799
but it kind of got me thinking that somehow that

3445
02:36:55,840 --> 02:36:58,360
the fact this album is almost more avant garde than

3446
02:36:58,440 --> 02:37:00,840
used to called death Mel record might actually allow it

3447
02:37:00,840 --> 02:37:04,120
to have some sort of appeal outside of death Mel.

3448
02:37:04,760 --> 02:37:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. There's one song in particular where that

3449
02:37:07,840 --> 02:37:09,879
exact thing, comparaicony point did kind of come to language

3450
02:37:09,879 --> 02:37:12,319
I'll get to, but yeah, I do agree. I think

3451
02:37:12,319 --> 02:37:15,760
there's a again, just an open mindedness in their reference

3452
02:37:15,799 --> 02:37:18,639
points that I think, yeah, helps a record like this.

3453
02:37:18,719 --> 02:37:21,680
I mean vocally, I like that it's a lot of

3454
02:37:21,680 --> 02:37:23,559
the time it's quite fast, you know, in and out

3455
02:37:23,559 --> 02:37:25,600
of death metal. But you can tell they like things

3456
02:37:25,639 --> 02:37:27,920
like spectral voice for example, where they have that like

3457
02:37:28,239 --> 02:37:31,040
slightly more malleable approach to vocal delivery, because he'll do,

3458
02:37:31,120 --> 02:37:33,159
you know, the gut are all thing, but then he'll

3459
02:37:33,200 --> 02:37:36,719
lift it into the chorus on stress positions, that sort

3460
02:37:36,719 --> 02:37:38,840
of mid range gargle that he actually delivers that you know,

3461
02:37:38,920 --> 02:37:42,319
palpable hook with and then he'll like tail off on

3462
02:37:42,440 --> 02:37:44,319
lines and stuff like that, and it is a bit

3463
02:37:44,440 --> 02:37:47,360
like it's really like a performance rather than just like

3464
02:37:47,399 --> 02:37:49,479
you know, another rhythmic sound in the mix, like a

3465
02:37:49,520 --> 02:37:50,520
lot of death metal vocals are.

3466
02:37:51,040 --> 02:37:52,319
Speaker 5: I mean, that's one of the things that I really

3467
02:37:52,360 --> 02:37:55,559
appreciate about this record is the vocals weren't like that

3468
02:37:55,639 --> 02:37:56,959
kind of stock death metal crowd.

3469
02:37:57,000 --> 02:37:57,520
Speaker 4: There's there's a.

3470
02:37:57,520 --> 02:37:59,879
Speaker 5: Lot more kind of like like flax men and melebility.

3471
02:38:00,040 --> 02:38:02,000
Like it just all kind of feels like part of

3472
02:38:02,040 --> 02:38:06,040
like the chaotic, violet unpredictability of they like they twist

3473
02:38:06,120 --> 02:38:08,000
melodies and something like really unsettling.

3474
02:38:08,360 --> 02:38:10,159
Speaker 4: I think I go back that Thriving comparison.

3475
02:38:10,239 --> 02:38:12,239
Speaker 5: I think it's a really kind of good point and

3476
02:38:12,280 --> 02:38:14,440
just kind of their approach of like being like, well,

3477
02:38:14,440 --> 02:38:16,399
that's a hardcore record that then kind of like branched

3478
02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:18,040
and it supported to dive. Like that's doing that within

3479
02:38:18,079 --> 02:38:20,559
the sort of a death metal framework where again, you know,

3480
02:38:20,920 --> 02:38:23,159
you've had like the first tracks and then Hunger sort

3481
02:38:23,159 --> 02:38:26,440
of immediately kind of like track three starts to slow

3482
02:38:26,479 --> 02:38:30,719
things down and really start to like move into that,

3483
02:38:31,360 --> 02:38:33,520
but then this feeling that like it's going to burst

3484
02:38:33,520 --> 02:38:36,440
into complete chaos and violence at any moment, which is

3485
02:38:36,639 --> 02:38:38,159
it does it does kind of like when it that

3486
02:38:38,280 --> 02:38:41,200
song down, then when it does go, it kind of

3487
02:38:41,239 --> 02:38:43,639
hits into this like steam roll of a riff that

3488
02:38:43,760 --> 02:38:46,200
like crushes and they sort of double up and go

3489
02:38:46,239 --> 02:38:48,680
from faster. There's there's like I was a surprising the

3490
02:38:48,680 --> 02:38:50,479
amount of depth of this album. Kind of like I've

3491
02:38:50,559 --> 02:38:52,000
like the first song, I was kind of like, okay, cool,

3492
02:38:52,000 --> 02:38:54,840
it's kind of like fast, violent, chaotic kind of power

3493
02:38:54,920 --> 02:38:57,399
violence death metal, and then every sort of song that

3494
02:38:57,440 --> 02:38:59,840
goes on kind of goes peels back a layer and

3495
02:38:59,879 --> 02:39:03,399
it kept like it. It means just like flesh Parade,

3496
02:39:03,399 --> 02:39:05,879
bringing in kind of like black metal touches like to

3497
02:39:05,920 --> 02:39:07,399
kind of go with the blast and this kind of

3498
02:39:07,399 --> 02:39:11,239
like vocals like adding to this overwhelming noise. It was

3499
02:39:11,600 --> 02:39:13,719
constantly kind of keeping on my toes as a listener.

3500
02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:17,120
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly it, because the bridge in Stress

3501
02:39:17,159 --> 02:39:19,079
Positions has this almost that it brings you like a

3502
02:39:19,079 --> 02:39:20,360
little bit more of an ambience and that kind of

3503
02:39:20,360 --> 02:39:22,120
sets you up then for Hunger, and I think Hunger is,

3504
02:39:22,719 --> 02:39:24,639
you know, maybe the first real deviation the band had

3505
02:39:24,680 --> 02:39:27,479
made at that point, and it feels like more I

3506
02:39:27,520 --> 02:39:30,239
mean it's a weird to call it a ballad, right,

3507
02:39:30,239 --> 02:39:32,159
but like the clean guitar, which is heavily what it's

3508
02:39:32,159 --> 02:39:34,200
based in for the first couple of minutes reminded me

3509
02:39:34,200 --> 02:39:36,120
of like DSBM stuff like I was thinking about, like

3510
02:39:36,120 --> 02:39:37,959
Silence though, and like Bethlehem and stuff like that, with

3511
02:39:38,079 --> 02:39:40,000
those kind of tones going on there. And that's a

3512
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:42,239
cool flavor in a like a you know, a death

3513
02:39:42,280 --> 02:39:45,440
metal record. But then the song evolves its temper. I

3514
02:39:45,479 --> 02:39:47,360
mean often, like aside from the closer, these are like

3515
02:39:47,440 --> 02:39:50,719
three four minute kind of packages, but they have this

3516
02:39:50,879 --> 02:39:54,000
death doom approach to like atmosphere within them, which is

3517
02:39:54,040 --> 02:39:59,239
an interesting kind of balance to be struck. Contraband is

3518
02:39:59,280 --> 02:40:01,360
the song where I Go. Is that a rock song

3519
02:40:01,879 --> 02:40:04,319
like through death metal? And it reminded me of Bleeding

3520
02:40:04,399 --> 02:40:06,879
in the Blur. It's got that like really regimented, like

3521
02:40:07,000 --> 02:40:08,959
kind of you know, approach on the drums, and it's

3522
02:40:08,959 --> 02:40:11,680
built around like a big burst of a death metal

3523
02:40:11,760 --> 02:40:13,879
rock chorus. I swear like, I'm glad that you did

3524
02:40:13,879 --> 02:40:15,719
the same thing, because I'm not making these comparisons up.

3525
02:40:15,799 --> 02:40:19,319
Like that exists as an element within something else that

3526
02:40:19,399 --> 02:40:21,799
you know, you could feasibly compare to and there's something

3527
02:40:21,840 --> 02:40:23,040
on Maggot Stump or something.

3528
02:40:23,159 --> 02:40:26,719
Speaker 6: You know, I think totally like through a lot of

3529
02:40:26,760 --> 02:40:28,440
the record that it's quite similar like that, you know

3530
02:40:28,920 --> 02:40:30,879
that Piscobram sort of sounds like a swarm of bees,

3531
02:40:30,920 --> 02:40:33,760
but that's that's not true of this. Like it's really

3532
02:40:33,799 --> 02:40:37,559
like clearly accented and defined in its gatar tone. I mean,

3533
02:40:37,600 --> 02:40:39,879
like it kind of sort of locks in and it

3534
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:42,399
works like a machine. It's not just this you know

3535
02:40:42,479 --> 02:40:45,440
Tornado of Nails that a lot of underground death matl

3536
02:40:45,479 --> 02:40:47,879
records are, And I think that really was, like it

3537
02:40:47,959 --> 02:40:51,000
hits as hard as any beatdown album we'll I need

3538
02:40:51,000 --> 02:40:53,920
to talk about while also doing all this other stuff

3539
02:40:53,959 --> 02:40:56,280
like just go back, just go back to the vocals,

3540
02:40:56,280 --> 02:40:57,000
because I think that's.

3541
02:40:56,840 --> 02:40:59,799
Speaker 3: Also one of the sort of great aspects of this,

3542
02:41:00,120 --> 02:41:01,719
called those yelps.

3543
02:41:01,879 --> 02:41:03,399
Speaker 6: I was trying to think what they reminded me of,

3544
02:41:03,440 --> 02:41:05,000
and I was racking my brains and eventually it hit me.

3545
02:41:05,040 --> 02:41:08,280
Like the band from the New York postmon Man in

3546
02:41:08,319 --> 02:41:11,760
scen it's called Suicide right, and they have this song

3547
02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:13,760
called a Spit of Talent. They have a song called

3548
02:41:13,760 --> 02:41:16,879
Frankie tear Drop. It's the last song on there, and that's.

3549
02:41:16,680 --> 02:41:18,159
Speaker 1: The famous like scary songs.

3550
02:41:18,760 --> 02:41:21,440
Speaker 6: That song still freaks me out, like I could see.

3551
02:41:21,280 --> 02:41:24,200
Speaker 1: This being a bit of a suicide the band you know, Laced. Yeah,

3552
02:41:24,239 --> 02:41:26,239
definite a record, definitely, Yeah, Well it.

3553
02:41:26,200 --> 02:41:28,840
Speaker 6: Was that and particularly that song because I remember I

3554
02:41:29,040 --> 02:41:30,479
showed it to my younger sister when I was a kid,

3555
02:41:30,479 --> 02:41:32,639
and if I start even talking about it now, she

3556
02:41:32,719 --> 02:41:36,040
leaves the room. That's like later and the bits where

3557
02:41:36,079 --> 02:41:38,440
that singer starts yelping like it makes me sweat just

3558
02:41:38,440 --> 02:41:40,040
thinking about it. And I've always thought, like, why isn't

3559
02:41:40,040 --> 02:41:44,280
an extreme band not done something with that, because it's

3560
02:41:44,319 --> 02:41:46,920
as frightening as any extreme music, and this is the

3561
02:41:46,920 --> 02:41:49,120
first time I think I've ever heard a band do it,

3562
02:41:49,479 --> 02:41:52,520
and it does just add a sort of mania to it,

3563
02:41:52,559 --> 02:41:55,239
which I think if that sort of edge wasn't there,

3564
02:41:58,239 --> 02:42:00,840
not that it would feel like rudimental. But I love

3565
02:42:00,879 --> 02:42:05,879
that you get these real locked in, sort of almost

3566
02:42:05,920 --> 02:42:08,760
basic moments of the record, but it's juxtaposed with this

3567
02:42:09,239 --> 02:42:10,840
kind of unhinged quality.

3568
02:42:11,200 --> 02:42:13,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Contraband is is a banger. It's like a

3569
02:42:13,799 --> 02:42:17,479
noise rock, death metal banger. I really like the solo

3570
02:42:17,520 --> 02:42:21,040
section in Public Humiliation, where the guitar tone goes really

3571
02:42:21,079 --> 02:42:23,639
like mournful and melodic and kind of tasteful. It's like

3572
02:42:23,680 --> 02:42:25,600
a real leaf out of the Doom playbook.

3573
02:42:25,719 --> 02:42:26,799
Speaker 3: On that say, Public.

3574
02:42:26,639 --> 02:42:29,399
Speaker 5: Humiliation is like quite doomed anyway to start with them.

3575
02:42:29,440 --> 02:42:31,239
When they kind of get those melodies, I mean that

3576
02:42:31,280 --> 02:42:32,520
might be my first one with the record. I think

3577
02:42:32,559 --> 02:42:33,520
that really cool.

3578
02:42:33,600 --> 02:42:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think these are all just these things we're saying.

3579
02:42:35,520 --> 02:42:39,159
They're great embellishments to the fundamental basis, which is nasty,

3580
02:42:39,200 --> 02:42:41,239
pummeling death metal rift. It's like they do that thing

3581
02:42:41,840 --> 02:42:43,840
very well. They did that well on their first record,

3582
02:42:43,959 --> 02:42:46,399
and it's nice to see just a bit of you know,

3583
02:42:46,520 --> 02:42:49,719
ambition in texture for a band like this. On top

3584
02:42:49,719 --> 02:42:51,280
of that, I think there's an awful lot of promise here.

3585
02:42:51,319 --> 02:42:54,719
I think they have good instincts for, you know, feeling

3586
02:42:54,760 --> 02:42:57,479
stuff out and not just doing the obvious generic thing

3587
02:42:57,520 --> 02:43:00,000
at every single you know opportunity. I think if you

3588
02:43:00,280 --> 02:43:02,639
like things like you know, two hundred stab Wounds and

3589
02:43:02,639 --> 02:43:04,600
so on, but you're ready for something that is also

3590
02:43:04,840 --> 02:43:06,799
a bit more experimental and a bit more kind of

3591
02:43:07,280 --> 02:43:11,000
malleable and dynamic in like approach to atmospheres and textures.

3592
02:43:11,239 --> 02:43:13,639
I think you'd like this the band of Vacuous Again,

3593
02:43:13,760 --> 02:43:17,079
UK band the record in His Blood released on Relapse Records.

3594
02:43:17,159 --> 02:43:20,280
The last album for this episode is my personal black

3595
02:43:20,319 --> 02:43:22,799
metal pick of the month. The black metal records coming

3596
02:43:22,799 --> 02:43:24,760
out next month are more your sort of block bluckbuster

3597
02:43:24,799 --> 02:43:26,479
bands that we got a Cradle Health record and Death

3598
02:43:26,479 --> 02:43:28,159
Heaven and stuff, So I thought this would be a

3599
02:43:28,159 --> 02:43:30,920
good opportunity to stink something a bit more underground in

3600
02:43:30,959 --> 02:43:33,879
their The band called Grab and the record is Cremess.

3601
02:43:34,200 --> 02:43:37,600
Grab are a black metal band from Bavaria in Germany,

3602
02:43:37,600 --> 02:43:40,639
which I believe has a specific kind of distinction with

3603
02:43:40,680 --> 02:43:43,440
this project, because you know, I'm not as up on

3604
02:43:43,479 --> 02:43:45,719
my dialect as any of our German listeners might be,

3605
02:43:45,799 --> 02:43:49,639
but my understanding is Bavaria has a distinct kind of dialect,

3606
02:43:49,719 --> 02:43:53,559
some slightly different linguistic approaches to the rest of Germany,

3607
02:43:53,559 --> 02:43:56,040
as well as the specific kind of regional folklore, and

3608
02:43:56,040 --> 02:43:57,639
that's kind of what this project is very much sort

3609
02:43:57,639 --> 02:44:01,399
of themed around it and utilizing Grab I believe translates

3610
02:44:01,440 --> 02:44:03,719
in kind of sort of like old and gray, you know,

3611
02:44:03,840 --> 02:44:07,079
kind of like wisened and Kremes is a funeral feast

3612
02:44:07,159 --> 02:44:09,159
and so you can imagine this record the kind of

3613
02:44:09,840 --> 02:44:11,079
and you can see it there on the cover with

3614
02:44:11,120 --> 02:44:14,040
the reaper figure coming knocking on the wintery door of

3615
02:44:14,040 --> 02:44:19,360
a little boy. You know, very dark, melancholic, morbid vibes.

3616
02:44:19,719 --> 02:44:22,840
The band is spearheaded by a vocalist, Grant, who has

3617
02:44:23,120 --> 02:44:25,239
He's gone by a couple different names in different projects,

3618
02:44:25,280 --> 02:44:28,079
but he was the original vocalist in Dark Fortress, who

3619
02:44:28,559 --> 02:44:30,360
the first like few records that he sang on, like

3620
02:44:30,600 --> 02:44:33,559
Tales from Eternal Dusk and Profane Genocidal Creations I think

3621
02:44:33,600 --> 02:44:36,440
are like some of the most underrated European style black

3622
02:44:36,440 --> 02:44:38,760
metal records ever. Like those things are amazing and I

3623
02:44:38,799 --> 02:44:40,360
love them. So when I learned that you know, it

3624
02:44:40,399 --> 02:44:42,440
was him, it kind of got me intrigued about grab.

3625
02:44:42,520 --> 02:44:45,399
But this has a very different identity to it sonically,

3626
02:44:45,920 --> 02:44:48,000
which I'll detail in a minute. But this has been

3627
02:44:48,040 --> 02:44:50,079
like kind of like my favorite new discovery for the

3628
02:44:50,079 --> 02:44:52,639
start of twenty twenty five. Like, I've been really loving

3629
02:44:52,680 --> 02:44:57,520
the hell out of this record. I think obviously very

3630
02:44:57,520 --> 02:44:59,559
specific things like the kind of black metal it is.

3631
02:44:59,600 --> 02:45:01,200
I think you're probably know whether it's the kind of

3632
02:45:01,239 --> 02:45:04,239
thing you'll be drawn to or not. But for my sensibilities.

3633
02:45:04,799 --> 02:45:06,840
I've been really really into this one.

3634
02:45:07,479 --> 02:45:09,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, this might be one of my favorite discoveries as well.

3635
02:45:10,079 --> 02:45:10,959
Speaker 1: Really nice.

3636
02:45:11,280 --> 02:45:12,239
Speaker 4: Do you know what I will say?

3637
02:45:12,399 --> 02:45:14,440
Speaker 5: I think our time spent on the streets of Visborg

3638
02:45:14,559 --> 02:45:18,479
has kind of like put me in to like just

3639
02:45:18,520 --> 02:45:20,680
be down with what grab a up to you here.

3640
02:45:20,719 --> 02:45:23,879
I genuine was like just that feeling of like not

3641
02:45:23,920 --> 02:45:25,840
so I was just playing in my head through so

3642
02:45:25,920 --> 02:45:27,399
much of this and again, like you say, like the

3643
02:45:27,520 --> 02:45:31,000
other regional things. I like, I don't like generalize Germany

3644
02:45:31,040 --> 02:45:35,440
too much, but like that kind of gothic melancholic sense

3645
02:45:35,440 --> 02:45:37,879
of death that hangs over it from the artwork.

3646
02:45:37,440 --> 02:45:40,280
Speaker 1: From everything Wintery. Yeah, it just it.

3647
02:45:40,280 --> 02:45:41,639
Speaker 5: Poured me straight in the I was kind of like

3648
02:45:42,360 --> 02:45:45,360
parent has picked the perfect time to drop this record

3649
02:45:45,360 --> 02:45:47,920
in my lap and me to just be swallowed up

3650
02:45:47,920 --> 02:45:49,159
by I think this is fantastic.

3651
02:45:50,079 --> 02:45:52,840
Speaker 6: I mean I'd never heard of this band before, and

3652
02:45:53,200 --> 02:45:55,360
you know I was only always give this a once

3653
02:45:55,399 --> 02:45:58,239
over today before we reviewed this full house.

3654
02:45:58,520 --> 02:46:00,799
Speaker 3: This thing is fucking r Yes.

3655
02:46:00,920 --> 02:46:04,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you're like so chuffed now, like, yeah, well, sometimes.

3656
02:46:04,360 --> 02:46:06,760
Speaker 1: I bring Blacknet Records on and not only does Sam

3657
02:46:06,799 --> 02:46:08,600
sometimes go it's not for me, but Elliott will sometimes

3658
02:46:08,639 --> 02:46:10,200
just be like, no, this one's bad. I'm like, oh no,

3659
02:46:10,239 --> 02:46:12,319
whereas so I'm pleased that you know this we got

3660
02:46:12,360 --> 02:46:13,799
like a yeah, cool, this is good because I really

3661
02:46:13,840 --> 02:46:14,680
think this one is excellent.

3662
02:46:15,239 --> 02:46:16,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I know, I think it is.

3663
02:46:16,319 --> 02:46:19,520
Speaker 5: I think like the moments of like those tremblone melodies

3664
02:46:19,600 --> 02:46:23,200
kicking on, like is it a I'm going to budgetl plentations.

3665
02:46:23,239 --> 02:46:26,040
Speaker 4: I was kind of like, I'm wonder most of wavelength

3666
02:46:26,079 --> 02:46:26,239
for this.

3667
02:46:26,280 --> 02:46:30,239
Speaker 5: All of a sudden it was swelling in like immersive

3668
02:46:30,239 --> 02:46:32,799
and again like lyrically, no no idea of the lyrics,

3669
02:46:33,799 --> 02:46:38,319
but like the emotional core of these songs hit with me,

3670
02:46:38,639 --> 02:46:41,200
and I think I love how every song has a

3671
02:46:41,280 --> 02:46:44,520
shift at like at one point that completely changes the tone,

3672
02:46:44,600 --> 02:46:46,520
and they all kind of like there was all kind

3673
02:46:46,520 --> 02:46:48,200
of exist in this sort of two act structure that

3674
02:46:48,319 --> 02:46:51,360
keeps them like from being really that keeps them being

3675
02:46:51,399 --> 02:46:53,280
really engaging and never kind of like setting in twenty

3676
02:46:53,319 --> 02:46:55,639
fourth too long And I just from start to finish

3677
02:46:55,840 --> 02:46:57,200
was just swept up by this record.

3678
02:46:57,280 --> 02:46:57,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3679
02:46:57,479 --> 02:46:59,639
Speaker 1: Well, so to describe some sort of distinct you know,

3680
02:47:00,120 --> 02:47:02,719
sounds that this uses, I've been really into of like

3681
02:47:02,879 --> 02:47:05,559
this kind of black metal derived of the nineties that

3682
02:47:05,600 --> 02:47:08,319
has this really like medieval atmosphere in regards to like

3683
02:47:08,319 --> 02:47:10,840
the folk influences and stuff. So the obvious touchstones there

3684
02:47:10,879 --> 02:47:13,799
are stuff like early satiric on like the Shadow Throwne

3685
02:47:13,799 --> 02:47:16,879
and dark medieval time satiric on early gi Henna like

3686
02:47:16,920 --> 02:47:19,799
the Spell records, and like first album Olvera, and like

3687
02:47:19,840 --> 02:47:22,319
this really nicely slips into it, you know, like a

3688
02:47:22,360 --> 02:47:25,520
twenty twenty five example of that kind of spirit. But

3689
02:47:25,559 --> 02:47:27,399
there's also things that jump out about it because you know,

3690
02:47:27,440 --> 02:47:30,680
this record is not Norwegians, it's German, very specifically Bavarian,

3691
02:47:30,760 --> 02:47:33,799
because there are elements in the instrumentation here which are

3692
02:47:33,879 --> 02:47:36,879
very regional. Most prominently along with like the keyboard or

3693
02:47:36,879 --> 02:47:38,840
whatever that you might expect, there's a lot of hammered

3694
02:47:38,879 --> 02:47:41,879
dulcima on this record, which is like an instrument that

3695
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:44,239
is present, I believe in like a lot of Bavarian

3696
02:47:44,639 --> 02:47:48,079
folk music. So that's kind of the regional identify of

3697
02:47:48,120 --> 02:47:49,920
this particular record. And like almost every song has like

3698
02:47:49,959 --> 02:47:53,120
a little hammer dulcamer melody in there somewhere, and that's

3699
02:47:53,479 --> 02:47:55,840
you know, it has been used in black metal. There's

3700
02:47:55,840 --> 02:47:57,559
bad like botanists who have kind of been like really

3701
02:47:57,639 --> 02:47:59,120
radical with it and made it their whole thing. But

3702
02:47:59,120 --> 02:48:01,799
it's not like two comments still and I really love

3703
02:48:01,840 --> 02:48:06,079
the sound of the dulcimer in uh maybe something is

3704
02:48:06,120 --> 02:48:07,840
again a little bit more traditional in it's black metal

3705
02:48:07,959 --> 02:48:11,920
like this, This record is like really cool mournful super Winterry,

3706
02:48:12,200 --> 02:48:14,959
but has laced through it these really great melodies on

3707
02:48:15,000 --> 02:48:17,239
the dulcimer, and there are these like embellishments on top

3708
02:48:17,239 --> 02:48:19,600
of the black metal that for me are like really

3709
02:48:19,639 --> 02:48:21,760
really carefully arranged. Like I think a lot of the

3710
02:48:21,799 --> 02:48:24,440
black metal is very you know, like well done, but

3711
02:48:24,440 --> 02:48:27,040
pretty primal and pretty like you know, to the point

3712
02:48:27,040 --> 02:48:28,600
and you know what's going on with it. It's the

3713
02:48:28,639 --> 02:48:30,760
embellishments they put on top that kind of elevates this

3714
02:48:30,840 --> 02:48:32,559
to kind of like a bit of a world class

3715
02:48:32,600 --> 02:48:33,959
sort of example of the kind of thing it is.

3716
02:48:34,799 --> 02:48:36,319
Speaker 5: When it goes into the sort of more like I

3717
02:48:36,360 --> 02:48:37,879
don't know if it's folk like, but they kind of

3718
02:48:37,920 --> 02:48:41,000
more traditional elements and those sort of things they decorate

3719
02:48:41,040 --> 02:48:43,239
these songs with, it does just make them that much

3720
02:48:43,239 --> 02:48:46,159
more kind of like ear catching. In the different tones

3721
02:48:46,680 --> 02:48:48,559
like the black metal stuff when it is kind of

3722
02:48:48,559 --> 02:48:51,680
going just straight black metal blasting with those big travelo

3723
02:48:51,719 --> 02:48:53,479
melodies and all that, like that sounds great, but when

3724
02:48:53,520 --> 02:48:56,479
they can color it and find like these real kind

3725
02:48:56,520 --> 02:49:00,879
of like immersive folk elements that make it again just

3726
02:49:01,319 --> 02:49:04,040
that much more transportative. Those are things that I think

3727
02:49:04,120 --> 02:49:07,000
that this to being something like genuinely quite special to me.

3728
02:49:07,040 --> 02:49:10,799
Speaker 6: It's brilliant that all those references that parents drawn out

3729
02:49:10,840 --> 02:49:13,200
I saying that. Now I listen to the thing back

3730
02:49:13,200 --> 02:49:14,719
to the record and go, oh yeah, I remember hearing that.

3731
02:49:15,159 --> 02:49:18,000
I haven't written down like nearly any of the bands

3732
02:49:18,159 --> 02:49:21,520
you've mentioned, And I think it's because basically, I think

3733
02:49:21,520 --> 02:49:24,200
if you like black metal in almost all of its

3734
02:49:24,200 --> 02:49:26,920
guys is, you'll find a place in your heart for

3735
02:49:26,959 --> 02:49:32,040
this record because it doesn't particularly fit neatly into any

3736
02:49:32,079 --> 02:49:36,360
of those small boxes. And you know, satiric on Oliver,

3737
02:49:36,680 --> 02:49:38,639
that's all absolutely there. The thing you say about the

3738
02:49:38,680 --> 02:49:41,840
dulcimer that really reminded me of like the early Enslaved records.

3739
02:49:42,120 --> 02:49:45,399
I think it's a very similar tone on those. Like

3740
02:49:45,639 --> 02:49:48,639
vocally there's a big old heap of immortal on bits

3741
02:49:48,680 --> 02:49:52,760
of this record that sort of panza faust like super

3742
02:49:52,799 --> 02:49:54,319
blizzardly black metal yeah.

3743
02:49:54,159 --> 02:49:56,600
Speaker 1: Well vocally obviously, vocally it takes me back to listening

3744
02:49:56,600 --> 02:49:58,559
to like the early two thousand Stark Fortress records because

3745
02:49:58,559 --> 02:50:00,799
it's the same guy. There are parts so I was like, oh,

3746
02:50:00,799 --> 02:50:02,280
what's that, and then I realized, oh, I'm thinking of

3747
02:50:02,319 --> 02:50:04,600
fucking Proflegeen aside of creations, you know, it's like there

3748
02:50:04,639 --> 02:50:07,159
is a history. First track is maybe even the more

3749
02:50:07,200 --> 02:50:09,520
sort of straightforward headbanger black metal track on the record,

3750
02:50:09,639 --> 02:50:11,959
but even that has like these big booms of timpany

3751
02:50:12,319 --> 02:50:14,399
and drums on it that might make you think of

3752
02:50:14,399 --> 02:50:16,159
stuff like summoning or whatever, and it has that touch

3753
02:50:16,200 --> 02:50:18,159
of like the epic medieval about it. And after that

3754
02:50:18,319 --> 02:50:21,440
the record slows down quite you know, a good portions

3755
02:50:21,479 --> 02:50:24,120
of the record, and it really shows its trops compositionly,

3756
02:50:24,120 --> 02:50:26,559
I think in some of those sections, because that steady

3757
02:50:26,600 --> 02:50:28,799
pace which they meet around some of those like little

3758
02:50:28,840 --> 02:50:32,719
melodies and little instrumental parts. It's like the wider black

3759
02:50:32,760 --> 02:50:34,719
metal of this record is almost like haunted by all

3760
02:50:34,760 --> 02:50:37,600
these like little individual sprites and spirits and stuff. Like

3761
02:50:37,639 --> 02:50:39,920
it's real you know, quality in the arrangements there. The

3762
02:50:39,959 --> 02:50:42,200
title track is there's like this big wall of like

3763
02:50:42,280 --> 02:50:45,719
haunted ghostly Keys. That's really like out of the nineties playbook,

3764
02:50:45,719 --> 02:50:48,040
And it does feel when it's operating at kind of

3765
02:50:48,040 --> 02:50:50,159
a more meditative tempo like that it's like you're in

3766
02:50:50,200 --> 02:50:52,319
the Bavarian Alps, you know, like in the in the

3767
02:50:52,360 --> 02:50:55,079
coldest months, in the snow, following some kind of like

3768
02:50:55,079 --> 02:50:57,360
funeral procession. I feel like it make a great double

3769
02:50:57,360 --> 02:50:59,760
bill with the latest X Vessel record, not because they

3770
02:51:00,440 --> 02:51:03,319
use the same components really, but because they just they

3771
02:51:03,360 --> 02:51:06,639
capture that like dead of winter only lit by the stars,

3772
02:51:06,719 --> 02:51:08,680
kind of like still and quiet about them.

3773
02:51:08,920 --> 02:51:10,959
Speaker 5: That was one of the sort of comparisons I made

3774
02:51:10,959 --> 02:51:12,879
just in terms of just like the tone and the vibe.

3775
02:51:12,920 --> 02:51:14,760
But I me mean, but I think the title track

3776
02:51:15,079 --> 02:51:17,159
genuinely this sort made me feels like this is what

3777
02:51:17,280 --> 02:51:19,559
Black Molt should make me feeling. Kind of its scope

3778
02:51:19,600 --> 02:51:22,520
and that kind of like natural kind of vible, like

3779
02:51:22,520 --> 02:51:25,360
you like being out there in like the wilderness and

3780
02:51:25,479 --> 02:51:29,360
like hearing this kind of unearthed ancient music kind of

3781
02:51:29,399 --> 02:51:32,799
like coming to life in front of you. Really emotionally

3782
02:51:32,840 --> 02:51:35,200
powerful in like the sort of the things it doesn't.

3783
02:51:35,200 --> 02:51:40,239
They just strike this great balance between being like glacial

3784
02:51:40,399 --> 02:51:42,799
when they need to be like propulsive when they do

3785
02:51:43,760 --> 02:51:48,079
grand and epic and in extreme and heavy and really

3786
02:51:48,120 --> 02:51:51,159
emostly powerful. All these things just constantly hit me at

3787
02:51:51,159 --> 02:51:52,399
every point across these songs.

3788
02:51:52,959 --> 02:51:55,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the centerpiece for me is there's there's

3789
02:51:55,159 --> 02:51:57,760
a two part kind of partnerships.

3790
02:51:57,200 --> 02:51:59,520
Speaker 5: The middle tracks in the middle five, is it. Yes,

3791
02:51:59,719 --> 02:52:01,120
That's what I've had is like the centipiece of the

3792
02:52:01,159 --> 02:52:02,680
record for me as to stand out, Like Yeah, and

3793
02:52:02,920 --> 02:52:03,760
the first.

3794
02:52:03,840 --> 02:52:07,079
Speaker 1: Part of that with the dulph melodies really lean into

3795
02:52:07,079 --> 02:52:10,920
that kind of spidery and spectral, like the real kind

3796
02:52:10,920 --> 02:52:12,159
of like you know, the sort of chill of someone

3797
02:52:12,200 --> 02:52:15,319
walking over your gray field. The second part hit something

3798
02:52:15,520 --> 02:52:19,479
really uplifting and kind of equal parts delicate and mighty,

3799
02:52:19,520 --> 02:52:22,159
where it has this like thick, advancing heavy metal riff,

3800
02:52:22,440 --> 02:52:25,360
but then the dulcimer just popping up the right spots

3801
02:52:25,360 --> 02:52:27,520
and that kind of little main dulcimer hook and that

3802
02:52:27,680 --> 02:52:30,959
kind of the durnd durnd. Like those melodies have been

3803
02:52:31,000 --> 02:52:34,200
like really swirling around in my head, and I think

3804
02:52:34,399 --> 02:52:39,600
the dulcimer has a really like wonderful emblematic of the

3805
02:52:39,680 --> 02:52:44,440
you know, kind of equal parts eerie and contemplative side

3806
02:52:44,559 --> 02:52:46,959
of black metal. I just really love how it's deployed

3807
02:52:47,000 --> 02:52:48,719
here on, particularly on a song like that kind of

3808
02:52:48,760 --> 02:52:49,920
you know the middle two parts.

3809
02:52:49,719 --> 02:52:52,600
Speaker 5: There, I mean those two songs like just nail the

3810
02:52:52,639 --> 02:52:55,920
atmosphere and again like an eerie acoustic intron the second

3811
02:52:55,959 --> 02:52:58,680
one like kind of pulls you in. It just builds

3812
02:52:58,719 --> 02:53:01,399
up to this gorgeous emotional crescendo where they're like everything

3813
02:53:01,479 --> 02:53:03,760
kind of swells up. But like like I said, or

3814
02:53:03,879 --> 02:53:07,239
doesn't like, the lead guitar melodies at that point are

3815
02:53:07,399 --> 02:53:10,479
like absolutely jaw droppingly good. I think, like there's just

3816
02:53:10,479 --> 02:53:12,360
somebody and again there are big places, like just big

3817
02:53:12,399 --> 02:53:14,159
heavy MeTL riffs kind of coming at you as well

3818
02:53:14,239 --> 02:53:18,360
that like keep it getting just quite fun and enjoyable

3819
02:53:18,360 --> 02:53:20,920
whilst being a kind of like really emostly resonant experience.

3820
02:53:21,239 --> 02:53:24,000
Speaker 6: Well, I think sometimes when we pair the wood atmospheric

3821
02:53:24,079 --> 02:53:26,120
with black mel it kind of denotes some sort of

3822
02:53:26,200 --> 02:53:27,159
shapelessness or.

3823
02:53:27,079 --> 02:53:28,120
Speaker 1: Like a lack of risks.

3824
02:53:28,200 --> 02:53:31,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and that style don't know, it can be great,

3825
02:53:32,239 --> 02:53:34,520
but I think some bands do it who are fairly popular,

3826
02:53:34,559 --> 02:53:37,840
who just happen to get away with not writing any songs.

3827
02:53:38,479 --> 02:53:42,840
No such problem, because when this thing slams Yeah, it's

3828
02:53:43,079 --> 02:53:47,120
slamming as hell and it, but it somehow doesn't detract

3829
02:53:47,120 --> 02:53:49,360
from the atmospheric thing, you know, some of those bands,

3830
02:53:49,799 --> 02:53:52,760
and I understand why they drift into this ambience and

3831
02:53:52,840 --> 02:53:56,959
it's like, it can't sound like it's too connected to

3832
02:53:57,000 --> 02:54:00,000
the things like Motorhead or Venom, because that's an atmospheric

3833
02:54:00,120 --> 02:54:02,319
that's not the sound of the woods, do you know.

3834
02:54:02,319 --> 02:54:02,680
Speaker 3: What I mean?

3835
02:54:03,120 --> 02:54:07,079
Speaker 1: And yet this band somehow managed to again have their

3836
02:54:07,120 --> 02:54:10,120
cake and eat it like it's all that stuff you'll

3837
02:54:10,120 --> 02:54:10,520
say about it.

3838
02:54:10,639 --> 02:54:12,600
Speaker 6: It pairs all that hex Essel record will sound like

3839
02:54:12,600 --> 02:54:15,799
it gives like a snowy wood and yet that when

3840
02:54:15,799 --> 02:54:21,079
it does lay into a riff, it's as hard as nails.

3841
02:54:21,360 --> 02:54:23,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like personally, I mean, maybe I'll have the epiphany

3842
02:54:23,920 --> 02:54:25,360
at some point, but personally I'm not like a big

3843
02:54:25,399 --> 02:54:28,079
like posaty Eva fan, And for me, it's kind of

3844
02:54:28,079 --> 02:54:29,760
he turns up every couple of years, releases a two

3845
02:54:29,760 --> 02:54:31,600
hour record and there's barely a memorable riff in the

3846
02:54:31,680 --> 02:54:33,239
entire thing, where it's like this this is you know,

3847
02:54:33,479 --> 02:54:37,360
perfect for that a really cool use of In dapher

3848
02:54:37,440 --> 02:54:39,239
Zeig as well, there's a there's a kind of acoustic

3849
02:54:39,280 --> 02:54:41,040
guitar in there, and that's the moment where it goes

3850
02:54:41,079 --> 02:54:43,479
super berg tat, you know, like very much in that realm.

3851
02:54:43,959 --> 02:54:46,520
But the end of the same song, it integrates just

3852
02:54:46,559 --> 02:54:48,440
for this one moment on the record, like a Gregorian

3853
02:54:48,520 --> 02:54:49,280
monk chant.

3854
02:54:50,399 --> 02:54:51,120
Speaker 4: That was really cool.

3855
02:54:51,479 --> 02:54:53,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not like a Botushka where it's like a

3856
02:54:53,879 --> 02:54:56,920
major feature of the songwriting element. It's just throughout the

3857
02:54:56,920 --> 02:54:59,000
whole band. It's just this one part where it appears,

3858
02:54:59,000 --> 02:55:02,120
and I think there's a just a really like evocative

3859
02:55:02,280 --> 02:55:04,760
wilderness sensibility. Right. It's one of those records where you

3860
02:55:04,799 --> 02:55:06,639
can you can feel the soul of the place that's

3861
02:55:06,680 --> 02:55:08,799
been kind of born from in the sounds of it,

3862
02:55:08,879 --> 02:55:11,319
you know. And again I think vocally as well as

3863
02:55:11,399 --> 02:55:13,079
you know, coming off of the Vacuous record, it's another

3864
02:55:13,120 --> 02:55:15,760
record where he doesn't just take a kind of one

3865
02:55:15,799 --> 02:55:19,879
size fits all approach. Sometimes he will just be bellowing

3866
02:55:19,959 --> 02:55:22,639
something out into the wind. Sometimes, like on Diphozike, he's

3867
02:55:22,639 --> 02:55:24,799
almost like throat singing through bits of it, and then

3868
02:55:24,840 --> 02:55:27,399
there's this harder riff that kicks in halfway through and

3869
02:55:27,440 --> 02:55:31,040
he does this amazing like throat clearing laugh over it.

3870
02:55:31,159 --> 02:55:34,600
It's it's great, and I do love, you know, the

3871
02:55:34,680 --> 02:55:36,520
sound of kind of sort of Germanic languages with with

3872
02:55:36,639 --> 02:55:39,159
black metal vocals. I think there's just something very complimentary

3873
02:55:39,200 --> 02:55:42,440
about the you know, the kind of the croaking throatiness

3874
02:55:42,520 --> 02:55:44,799
of this. When he goes to those guttural areas. There

3875
02:55:44,840 --> 02:55:48,040
are points where like he's coughing something up or knocking

3876
02:55:48,079 --> 02:55:49,879
out and ooh, and he sounds like he's like an

3877
02:55:49,920 --> 02:55:52,840
old novelly creature that lives in an ancient tree or something.

3878
02:55:52,879 --> 02:55:55,159
And it's brilliant. And the final track of the one

3879
02:55:55,200 --> 02:55:57,079
that again even an Englishman could tell is called The

3880
02:55:57,120 --> 02:56:01,239
Last Winter, is so evocative of that you can hear

3881
02:56:01,360 --> 02:56:03,719
the winds blowing outside. By the end, it does it

3882
02:56:03,879 --> 02:56:07,200
feels so wintery, like you are locked up in a

3883
02:56:07,280 --> 02:56:10,120
cabin with the snow piled up six week high outside

3884
02:56:10,120 --> 02:56:12,520
the door, just a tiny little fire for shelter. It's

3885
02:56:12,680 --> 02:56:17,079
very just definitive of the viae that aims to achieve.

3886
02:56:17,799 --> 02:56:19,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I think that that closing track is like,

3887
02:56:19,639 --> 02:56:22,200
this is the final sort of journey into frosty wilderness

3888
02:56:22,280 --> 02:56:25,280
before like ext like on the vocal and that was

3889
02:56:25,319 --> 02:56:26,840
one of the things I did notice that again where

3890
02:56:26,840 --> 02:56:29,719
something I can sometimes struggle with black Mail Bets albums

3891
02:56:29,799 --> 02:56:31,120
is whether the vocal can just be kind of a

3892
02:56:31,239 --> 02:56:33,440
one note thing that they just hammer out throughout the

3893
02:56:33,440 --> 02:56:33,879
whole record.

3894
02:56:33,959 --> 02:56:36,760
Speaker 4: And I do like that they change at the vocals

3895
02:56:37,040 --> 02:56:39,280
from that sort of like they do promogues.

3896
02:56:39,319 --> 02:56:41,079
Speaker 5: Isn't that kind of traditional black Malt vocal, but they

3897
02:56:41,159 --> 02:56:43,479
just he just mixes up enough each time. And again

3898
02:56:43,520 --> 02:56:45,360
I think that closing track one of the most where

3899
02:56:45,360 --> 02:56:47,399
he does kind of like try a few little things

3900
02:56:47,440 --> 02:56:50,520
with it to just keep from ever feeling to one

3901
02:56:50,600 --> 02:56:54,440
note and all of these things again, like the closer,

3902
02:56:54,479 --> 02:56:57,319
that's someone with like the guitars are super emotive and

3903
02:56:57,479 --> 02:57:00,280
they again even will not understand the angers kind of

3904
02:57:00,280 --> 02:57:03,079
get on the waving for the record through the sort

3905
02:57:03,079 --> 02:57:05,559
of feelings conveyed in the music along with the kind

3906
02:57:05,559 --> 02:57:07,840
of I think you're right, the language with the sort

3907
02:57:07,840 --> 02:57:10,600
of black mail delivery does create a very kind of

3908
02:57:10,680 --> 02:57:14,680
authentic sound, which adds to that that wilderness feeling of

3909
02:57:14,760 --> 02:57:15,200
the record.

3910
02:57:16,040 --> 02:57:16,399
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

3911
02:57:16,399 --> 02:57:18,639
Speaker 1: If I have one criticism of this record, it's that

3912
02:57:18,719 --> 02:57:23,159
it came out in February rather than last November, because like,

3913
02:57:23,520 --> 02:57:26,000
just as we're coming out of the winter, this thing

3914
02:57:26,040 --> 02:57:27,920
comes out and it's like, I want to listen to

3915
02:57:28,000 --> 02:57:30,040
this as it's getting cold and not as we starting

3916
02:57:30,040 --> 02:57:31,040
to have some sunny days.

3917
02:57:31,479 --> 02:57:34,079
Speaker 6: But I don't think it will make a difference because

3918
02:57:34,079 --> 02:57:37,600
it is so evocative of that thing that you know,

3919
02:57:37,680 --> 02:57:40,319
we could be in Mauritius in August and so when.

3920
02:57:40,239 --> 02:57:41,959
Speaker 4: You're boiling in the summer and you want to cool down,

3921
02:57:42,079 --> 02:57:42,920
stick this on, like.

3922
02:57:43,200 --> 02:57:45,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, and suddenly you're looking for your gloves. This it's

3923
02:57:45,520 --> 02:57:46,920
just it's things so fucking great.

3924
02:57:47,280 --> 02:57:49,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that last track as well, the guitar sign

3925
02:57:49,479 --> 02:57:51,840
of that ends of record guest appearance from a Visanura

3926
02:57:51,879 --> 02:57:54,079
from Triptcon who used to be in Dark Fortress with

3927
02:57:54,440 --> 02:57:57,120
the singer here, but like he's basically my favorite metal

3928
02:57:57,200 --> 02:57:59,719
lead guitarists. I like, really a way to like see

3929
02:57:59,760 --> 02:58:02,200
all the and gives it that extra like emotional, really

3930
02:58:02,600 --> 02:58:06,719
excellent folk confused black metal. Really you can tell just

3931
02:58:06,799 --> 02:58:08,760
the experience that's going to kind of arrange in these

3932
02:58:08,760 --> 02:58:11,639
types of songs, and you know, being tasteful with the instrumentation.

3933
02:58:11,760 --> 02:58:14,600
It's never cheesy or caricaturist or anything. It's just like

3934
02:58:14,680 --> 02:58:19,600
an authentic slice of kind of dark European fairy tale grimness.

3935
02:58:19,639 --> 02:58:21,520
Which exactly is what makes it a great album to

3936
02:58:21,600 --> 02:58:24,040
have come out while we're still in nos Ferratu season,

3937
02:58:24,520 --> 02:58:27,159
and that is going to do it from us. Next

3938
02:58:27,200 --> 02:58:29,120
review show is going to be pretty chuck a block

3939
02:58:29,159 --> 02:58:30,680
as Mark Choys is, isn't. It's gonna have some of

3940
02:58:30,760 --> 02:58:33,639
our biggest names. But for now you can go listen

3941
02:58:33,639 --> 02:58:35,399
to all those records that we just spoke about. Do

3942
02:58:35,639 --> 02:58:37,360
check out, you know, especially with the likes of Vacuous

3943
02:58:37,399 --> 02:58:39,079
and some of these smaller bands that we've been talking about.

3944
02:58:39,520 --> 02:58:43,559
You can hear our ongoing special on the less discussed

3945
02:58:44,159 --> 02:58:46,959
eighties and nineties years of Black Sabbath over only that

3946
02:58:47,040 --> 02:58:49,120
some Patreon. You can hear our te and and Does

3947
02:58:49,159 --> 02:58:52,120
Horrors on nos Ferratu or The wolf Man, along with

3948
02:58:52,200 --> 02:58:55,360
of course the whole back catalog of music specials and podcasts.

3949
02:58:55,520 --> 02:58:57,879
We'll be finishing up that Sabbath special pretty soon and

3950
02:58:57,920 --> 02:59:00,280
then moving on to something else new and exciting. If

3951
02:59:00,319 --> 02:59:02,280
you've enjoyed today's show, it'd be really appreciate it if

3952
02:59:02,319 --> 02:59:04,479
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3953
02:59:04,840 --> 02:59:08,360
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3954
02:59:08,399 --> 02:59:10,239
once a year that I should tell people to do that,

3955
02:59:10,360 --> 02:59:12,000
but it's great to keep that stuff up to date,

3956
02:59:12,000 --> 02:59:13,200
and so it would help us out and that would

3957
02:59:13,239 --> 02:59:15,719
be lovely. We will see you back for all of

3958
02:59:15,799 --> 02:59:18,559
that good stuff. We'll be back again here next week. Cheers,

3959
02:59:18,639 --> 02:59:19,000
Bye bye,