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Speaker 2: Dot e Carl? We're back. How are you doing? Man?
Speaker 7: Doing well?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad to have you back on our streams.
Speaker 2: Have been doing quite well and unfortunately we did have
Speaker 2: to take some time out to you know, go to
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving or you.
Speaker 7: Know whatever and time with family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, something unimportant right as such. But how have you
Speaker 2: been doing? Man?
Speaker 7: Doing great? No, it's been it's actually been really nice.
Speaker 7: I love this time of year. The mood is awesome.
Speaker 7: I have a bunch of like kid family birthdays like
Speaker 7: all in quick succession, and so this is just a
Speaker 7: very nostalgically wonderful time of year for me. So I'm
Speaker 7: in I'm in very good spirits but also outraged at
Speaker 7: the same time.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean, look, that's why I bring you on.
Speaker 2: It's just for outrage. Uh So, I'm sort of two
Speaker 2: seemingly disparate topics I want to talk about. And as
Speaker 2: you can see, and for those wondering how this works,
Speaker 2: quite literally, I say, hey, Carl, do you want to
Speaker 2: do a live stream? He's like yes, And then sometimes
Speaker 2: you ask me like what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 2: And I very honestly will say I'll let you know
Speaker 2: three minutes before we go, because you know, that's that's
Speaker 2: how professional podcasters work, right.
Speaker 7: I think you texted me like, look at this, I
Speaker 7: won't tell you what my angle is until we're live,
Speaker 7: and I was like, okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much. So, as you can see the title,
Speaker 2: we're talking about high trust societies a couple of things,
Speaker 2: right You and I have you know, spent plenty of time,
Speaker 2: you know, boomer bashing as regards the economy. Lent me
Speaker 2: give me a second. We're having audio issues on the
Speaker 2: just I call you, uh, all right, this let me
Speaker 2: all right, that should be a little better.
Speaker 7: You sound melodious and perfect to me, so.
Speaker 2: All right, well guess never mind. So talking about high
Speaker 2: trust societies. So I was talking to a mutual friend
Speaker 2: of ours, Carl, and uh he floated the uh, the
Speaker 2: factoid that if you look at countries like Italy in particular,
Speaker 2: Spain a couple others that have record high youth unemployment,
Speaker 2: creates this problem where effectively everyone's working under the table.
Speaker 2: Everyone is avoiding taxes because one, the taxes are so
Speaker 2: punishing that you can't really it's not worth it until
Speaker 2: you hit a certain point. But also, there's really no
Speaker 2: incentive anymore to play by the rules of the system, right.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows it's a rigged game, and so only stupid
Speaker 2: people play by the rules. And this is something that
Speaker 2: I think we are likely to encounter here. Some economic
Speaker 2: data has come out that the unemployment rate for new
Speaker 2: college graduates basically people two years out of school, is
Speaker 2: apocalyptically bad. We're sitting well north of ten percent. The
Speaker 2: number of college graduates who have secured employment by the
Speaker 2: time they leave has cretered to twenty two don't quote
Speaker 2: me on that percent somewhere in the twenties. Not very
Speaker 2: good and so effectively what we're doing. And the problem
Speaker 2: with this is we're disincentivizing playing by the rules, disincentivizing
Speaker 2: doing what you're supposed to do. I read an article,
Speaker 2: let me see if I can pull up who wrote
Speaker 2: it in the American Conservative talking about why young men
Speaker 2: are radicalized rad Radicalization of gen Z by Eddie Laurel.
Speaker 2: The American Mind is where they wrote. And to me,
Speaker 2: he repeats the kind of things you often have heard,
Speaker 2: you know, Oh, you know, these people grew up sort
Speaker 2: of haranged by you know, social justice activists, you know,
Speaker 2: constantly told that they are the problem, that they they
Speaker 2: are what's wrong with society, and that's produced a reaction.
Speaker 2: And look, man, that's very true. But I think another
Speaker 2: part of it, and this is something that's come up
Speaker 2: in recent conversations about gen Zu. Nikki Haley's son appeared
Speaker 2: on Tucker and did Yeoman's work. There is this feeling
Speaker 2: that when you've done everything right by the book, done
Speaker 2: everything that you were supposed to do, when older people,
Speaker 2: conservative people tell you this is how you establish yourself
Speaker 2: in society, and it doesn't work. You were effectively punished
Speaker 2: for doing that. You're going to create a large jumpmber
Speaker 2: of people who basically just say, screw it. Why would
Speaker 2: I play by the rules of the game. It's individually rational, right, Okay, well,
Speaker 2: why does this matter? Surely if everyone is just acting
Speaker 2: in their own self interest, that will produce the best
Speaker 2: system one. Not entirely true, but let's remember the fact
Speaker 2: that there are a great number of things in society
Speaker 2: that depend on a gentleman's agreement, that depend on everyone
Speaker 2: sort of doing what they're supposed to by anyone actually checking. Right,
Speaker 2: A high trust system one where you assume everyone is
Speaker 2: acting as they should. And really, when we talk about,
Speaker 2: you know, the nineteen fifties, when older people talk about
Speaker 2: their idealized youth, what they're really idealizing is a high
Speaker 2: trust system exactly. Laphorisms about people saying, oh, you could
Speaker 2: hitchhike anywhere you know any random adult, would you know,
Speaker 2: bring your runaway son home? Was that true? Largely speaking? Yes,
Speaker 2: the kind of like horrible bend Tomite liberals will say
Speaker 2: things like, well, actually crime is down, it was much
Speaker 2: more dangerous in the fifties. One, I'd be curious to
Speaker 2: see how you got that data.
Speaker 7: Two.
Speaker 2: Even if that is true, the perception almost matters more
Speaker 2: than reality, right, the fact that people feel as if
Speaker 2: the average person that they interact with is on the
Speaker 2: same page, maybe not specifically, but close enough to work.
Speaker 2: And so all of these normal, nice things about living
Speaker 2: in a high trust society depend on that. And once
Speaker 2: that's gone, once the penalty for effectively doing what you're
Speaker 2: supposed to becomes higher than you're striking out on your own,
Speaker 2: you're going to lose access to any number of nice,
Speaker 2: pleasant things about living in a normal society. I noticed
Speaker 2: this particularly when talking to boomers and silent generation types,
Speaker 2: you know, many of whom grew up in what do
Speaker 2: you consider now idyllic, monocultural, conservative, quote unquote societies, and
Speaker 2: they don't understand why young people are so discontented. They
Speaker 2: don't understand why young people simply can't fall back on
Speaker 2: the same kind of like social network that they did.
Speaker 2: And a large part of that is because people are
Speaker 2: not on the same page. People do not trust the
Speaker 2: first person they encounter, because, let's be honest, even on
Speaker 2: a political level, let alone you know, a cultural one,
Speaker 2: that social cohesion is gone, that social trust is gone.
Speaker 2: This is something you see particularly poignant in the UK,
Speaker 2: extremely high trust society, extremely say monocultural but homogenized society.
Speaker 2: So every time you see these kind of outrage stories
Speaker 2: about new arrivals going into a park and clubbing ornamental
Speaker 2: geese to death and eating them, that's that's kind of
Speaker 2: an example of what we're talking about, right, Something that
Speaker 2: was public common good soon to be everyone's sort of
Speaker 2: but there were no guards around it, there were no
Speaker 2: fence around it. It was just there and everyone was
Speaker 2: sort of on the same page. But when someone who
Speaker 2: comes out and said it doesn't share that common assumption,
Speaker 2: that is a resource to be exploited, that is something
Speaker 2: to be taken. And look, that's a silly example. I
Speaker 2: think the world is poorer for you know, fewer ornamental
Speaker 2: swans and geese in public park. But you know, there's
Speaker 2: no direct correlation between having nice water fowl and having
Speaker 2: a good society. But I don't know if you followed this,
Speaker 2: Carl the the sort of ongoing welfare scandal out of Minnesota.
Speaker 2: Have you have you caught this?
Speaker 7: I am not only aware of it, I've seen it
Speaker 7: play out locally and it's appalling an equivalent, an equivalent
Speaker 7: same basically same population plus others grafted on. It's that
Speaker 7: the state of it is staggering, like our economy is
Speaker 7: a giant scam at this point.
Speaker 2: But proceed one hundred percent. And even if you look
Speaker 2: at something like welfare, right, and look, welfare has always
Speaker 2: been corrupt in the US for pretty much as long
Speaker 2: as the welfare state has exist. We understand that. But
Speaker 2: there's a certain amount of drag, there's a certain amount
Speaker 2: of corruption. The system can bear a lot of. It's
Speaker 2: just human, right, look at Tamney Hall, Corruption, patronage, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it, is sort of endemic to
Speaker 2: human politics. It's what we do. Obviously, you would like
Speaker 2: to minimize it or at least channel in a productive direction.
Speaker 7: That sounds wild. You're supposed to get nothing and like it.
Speaker 2: Well, so look at this scandal. So this has been
Speaker 2: brewing for a while. You have Donald Trump, who you know,
Speaker 2: I think many of us have been cooling on. But
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, when he called Tim Walls retarded, I
Speaker 2: thought that was pretty funny. And that's really what kind
Speaker 2: of made the headlines. You know, President Trump called Tim
Speaker 2: Walls retarded, which is, let's be honest, I, from my
Speaker 2: perspective a generous description of the man. But regardless, the
Speaker 2: context of that is this massive welfare scandal in Minnesota,
Speaker 2: particularly surrounding the Somali community. Effectively, it seems as if,
Speaker 2: according to best estimates, every one of the eighty thousand
Speaker 2: Somalis has basically defrauded the state government out of roughly
Speaker 2: twenty thousand dollars. Not to say that literary minimum, but
Speaker 2: if you take the average of how much was defrauded
Speaker 2: by the number of people, it comes out to around
Speaker 2: twenty thousand ahead. So look at that, right, That is,
Speaker 2: relatively speaking, a high trust system. Many of these had
Speaker 2: to do with, you know, grants for children with autism,
Speaker 2: for early disability, early learning stuff, and completely setting aside
Speaker 2: if government programs are a good thing, talk about that late. Nonetheless,
Speaker 2: this is a high trust system where we didn't really
Speaker 2: expect anyone to protect and that every single kid they
Speaker 2: had was autistic so they could get gifts. Like sure,
Speaker 2: someone might do that, but the system was not designed
Speaker 2: with that low level of social trust, that understanding that yeah,
Speaker 2: sure maybe you need welfare, but you shouldn't use it
Speaker 2: too much. It's shameful it's not a desirable thing to do. Now, Look,
Speaker 2: was this system set up in such a way to
Speaker 2: allow that one hundred percent? Was at least according to
Speaker 2: whistleblowers from the Minnesota DHS Twitter account, was this deliberately
Speaker 2: done by that administration as a form of patriots one
Speaker 2: hundred percent? But that is another one of these systems
Speaker 2: we see breaking down under different sort of cultural conceptions
Speaker 2: of what is appropriate at what you can do. And
Speaker 2: I think a large part of this comes down to ownership. Right,
Speaker 2: do you feel that you are a partial owner of
Speaker 2: your town, your city, where you live. Do you feel like, well,
Speaker 2: if someone else is taking advantage of that, it's taking
Speaker 2: away from my thing, something I care about. And one
Speaker 2: of the big problems both obviously with immigration, but also
Speaker 2: in this kind of rootlessness we see promoted by Ben Shapiro,
Speaker 2: for example, who said you don't have the right to
Speaker 2: grow up or to live where you grow up, move
Speaker 2: to where you can find a better job. You're responding
Speaker 2: to discontented youth.
Speaker 7: I'm going to move to Israel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well he has another place to go. Unfortunately, Carl,
Speaker 2: you and I do not. But in all seriousness, right,
Speaker 2: the problem with that rootlessness the problem with.
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Speaker 2: The inability of young people to join the property ladder
Speaker 2: is that they have nothing at stake. It's not years anything,
Speaker 2: and in fact they are punished for a desire to
Speaker 2: make it there to take on ownership. What they're basically
Speaker 2: being offered is when you listen to you conservatives talk,
Speaker 2: is the argument is basically, your job is to be
Speaker 2: the bad end of the trade forever, to fund the
Speaker 2: retirement of other people. To if you can scrounge together
Speaker 2: enough money to for purchase house to fund the retirement
Speaker 2: of someone else, that's the best we can get. Basically,
Speaker 2: let yourself get screwed. And so it's completely rational on
Speaker 2: an individual level to say, well, fair enough, I am
Speaker 2: not going to engage. I do not care about this system.
Speaker 2: I'm acting in my own self interest. You see a
Speaker 2: lot of you know, effective people who in another era
Speaker 2: would be doing something productive moving into other less productive industries.
Speaker 2: For instance, like if you can't make money anywhere else,
Speaker 2: move to social media. We've seen a huge explosion of
Speaker 2: that because that's a place where you can make money
Speaker 2: let alone, right like the crypto space or anywhere else
Speaker 2: where these kind of like scammy, unproductive quote unquote you
Speaker 2: know ways to accrue wealth are but also right, I
Speaker 2: think we were going to see the rise of the
Speaker 2: same sort of culture we see in places like Italy,
Speaker 2: where you see a desire to cheat cheat on taxes,
Speaker 2: cheat on recording your income, because again it is rational
Speaker 2: to do so you're being punished for doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: And it doesn't just apply to economics, right, that same
Speaker 2: instinct that says, well, even if no one is going
Speaker 2: to catch me, I should do the right thing. That is,
Speaker 2: I owe society that once you lose that, it's well
Speaker 2: and truly gone. And I think that when we look
Speaker 2: at the rising radicalism on the left and the right,
Speaker 2: it's effectively that people do not have a stake in
Speaker 2: society anymore. It has been given to other people. It
Speaker 2: has been taken away that birthright. And when I say
Speaker 2: birth right, I don't mean some lavish inheritance. I mean
Speaker 2: simply having a country. Being able to sort of have
Speaker 2: a stake in society is effectively a luxury. It's for
Speaker 2: rich people. And well, look, most people aren't rich. And
Speaker 2: so when most people do not feel an attachment to
Speaker 2: where they live, when most people do not feel an
Speaker 2: attachment to the system as it, it's no shock. And
Speaker 2: it's particularly you do troubling when you see conservatives you
Speaker 2: kind of mouthing bromides about you know, patriotism and the
Speaker 2: free market, because all of those depended on people caring
Speaker 2: about the system. You are patriotic because it is yours, Yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly not yours. If anyone is an American, well why
Speaker 2: would I sign up? Why would I do anything more
Speaker 2: than the bare minimum to get ahead? You saw this
Speaker 2: in education as well. You know I've mentioned it multiple times.
Speaker 2: I was in college during COVID, and that exact attitude
Speaker 2: of well, I'll just cheat to get ahead because there's
Speaker 2: no real reason. They're not teaching me anything anyway, and
Speaker 2: all I need is a number, All I need is
Speaker 2: a degree, and then I'll be done. That attitude was
Speaker 2: rampant because it was it was completely rational. Now, when
Speaker 2: I say rational, I don't mean good. I don't mean
Speaker 2: everyone should think like that or act like that. But
Speaker 2: it's entirely reasonable, right, people acting in their own self interest.
Speaker 2: And another thing to mention is when we talk about
Speaker 2: a high trust, it is like many things dependent on
Speaker 2: a long chain of sort of lifetime additions to a society, right,
Speaker 2: a long chain of people who left things better than
Speaker 2: they found them. You see this in Chesterton, Right, Rome
Speaker 2: was not men. Men did not love Rome because she
Speaker 2: was beautiful. She was beautiful because men loved her right.
Speaker 2: Over the course of hundreds of years, you know, dozens
Speaker 2: of generations, people sacrificed their immediate kind of short term
Speaker 2: gain for the sake of a society, for the sake
Speaker 2: of a culture, for the sake of a town, even
Speaker 2: their own family. But once that's broken, once you have
Speaker 2: broken that chain, it is very, very difficult to get back.
Speaker 2: And to me, that's what I find so frustrating about this.
Speaker 2: You know, focus on your kind of short term economic
Speaker 2: gain idea that the GDP, the stock market, as we've
Speaker 2: heard from Trump, is the most relevant or most relevant metric,
Speaker 2: rather when we're talking about a society, because now it's not.
Speaker 2: And what we're seeing now is a sacrifice of a
Speaker 2: high trust society for a momentarily rich society. And look,
Speaker 2: man like, I understand it. You know, you can't crash
Speaker 2: the economy overnight and produce a number of bad results.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it is no wonder that
Speaker 2: the Conservatives are floundering right now. It seems very likely
Speaker 2: that the Republicans will get shellacked in the midterms, shell
Speaker 2: Act in twenty twenty eight because they have offered rising
Speaker 2: generation almost nothing, nothing at all. And look, this matters
Speaker 2: more than just the kind of you know, soft and
Speaker 2: squishy things I've talked about, Right, this matters more than
Speaker 2: just the sort of tragedy of the common stuff, because again,
Speaker 2: when we look at the polling, this is kind of interesting. Right,
Speaker 2: Liberals are very, very worried about right wing violence. See
Speaker 2: the same thing among conservatives, And we could say the
Speaker 2: Conservatives have a pretty good point, right. You know, their
Speaker 2: guy got shot in the ear, their number one sort
Speaker 2: of public promoter got brutally assassinated. Then a number of
Speaker 2: these kind of like low level terror attacks fomenting, and
Speaker 2: again that is the consequences for losing. It made that
Speaker 2: very clear. Paul Godfrey, in a very good essay for
Speaker 2: The Blaze came out on the twentieth I don't remember
Speaker 2: the exact name, makes exactly this point. The narrative coming
Speaker 2: out is that the reason why Democrats are winning is
Speaker 2: because they're focused on affordability. I don't think Paul Gottfreech
Speaker 2: says that's not true. What is true is that Republicans
Speaker 2: are losing because of affordability. Yes, because Trump has basically
Speaker 2: made himself synonymous with the system, synonymous with the government,
Speaker 2: synonymous with big business. That so many people were unsatisfied
Speaker 2: with during the Biden years, So that is why the
Speaker 2: Republicans are losing so well. How are the Democrats gaining
Speaker 2: support among their own audience? Effectively murderous rage basically saying
Speaker 2: we are going to persecute these people to the end
Speaker 2: of the year. And look, when your liberal aunt says that,
Speaker 2: does she literally mean she is going to kill Elon Musk? No,
Speaker 2: she doesn't. But the unhinged is kind of farther out
Speaker 2: in the sort of people we've seen involved in these
Speaker 2: terror attacks, the kind of furries and bizarre sex pests.
Speaker 2: They're acting on it, right, They genuinely believe that, you know,
Speaker 2: this is a fascist coup and to save democracy, to
Speaker 2: avert transgenocide, we need to gun these people down. And again,
Speaker 2: a large part of that is you've created this this
Speaker 2: den of disaffected people who have nothing at stake, have
Speaker 2: no way to index with the system at all, and have,
Speaker 2: to be honest, nothing to lose. And so when we
Speaker 2: look at this kind of rapid flip flop between one
Speaker 2: party and the other, it's easy to say, you know,
Speaker 2: to kind of get deep into the details about you know,
Speaker 2: XYZ demographic, But I think for a large portion of
Speaker 2: large number of people. It really comes down to that
Speaker 2: feeling of having no way to index, having no way
Speaker 2: to sort of involve themselves in the process as it exists,
Speaker 2: and so this sort of radicalism is an entirely predictable result.
Speaker 2: I'll throw it back to you, Carl, and then we
Speaker 2: can dig into this article that I want to read
Speaker 2: a little bit. But yeah, so that's sort of my
Speaker 2: thoughts there. And what's especially frustrating is that I think
Speaker 2: for many of us, we saw Trump two as an opportunity, right,
Speaker 2: as an opportunity to actually avert something very nasty, because
Speaker 2: it seems, as it look the the problem with Trump
Speaker 2: one was simply a lack of organization, a lack of desire,
Speaker 2: and we solved that. We seemingly, you got the plant,
Speaker 2: and what happened. Nothing happened. Literally, nothing happened. Okay, sure,
Speaker 2: we got some wins on immigration, which is fine, but
Speaker 2: the immediate pitvot to well, we got rid of you know,
Speaker 2: illegal immigrants, so now we can let in you know,
Speaker 2: six hundred thousand Chinese students, you know, seven hundred thousand,
Speaker 2: h one b's, you know, hundreds and hundreds of thousands
Speaker 2: of people, all while offering, you know, young people, the
Speaker 2: fig leaf of we'll take a fifty year mortgage that
Speaker 2: is going to one sort of accelerate this process of
Speaker 2: becoming a low trust society, becoming a society like Brazil,
Speaker 2: like South Africa, you know, a society where people do
Speaker 2: not play by the rules, where they see playing by
Speaker 2: the rule as a sucker's choice, and also increased radicalization.
Speaker 2: You're going to push people to the fringes. And so
Speaker 2: to me, this is entirely predictable, and it's especially galling
Speaker 2: because the consequences of losing here are dire. Incredibly so
Speaker 2: if we have seen this sort of murderous rage, the
Speaker 2: desire to take even someone like Hegseth, who I'm no
Speaker 2: fan of, but try him for war crimes, you're to
Speaker 2: throw these people in jail. And so, I don't know.
Speaker 2: To me, it's proven what we've known for a long time,
Speaker 2: which is that conservatives in America are not serious. They're
Speaker 2: not a real political party. They are simply a grifting operation.
Speaker 2: And again I'm going to reference this article because it's very,
Speaker 2: very good, but Godfried made the point that they do
Speaker 2: not care about the stated goals of being a political party.
Speaker 2: What they care about is Gibbs, either personally or to
Speaker 2: their special interests, and that's all that matters. And look,
Speaker 2: that's a very human reaction. People are corrupt, humans are
Speaker 2: self serving. But at least I thought that when bodies
Speaker 2: were dropping, someone would say, hey, man, maybe we ought
Speaker 2: to affect this. Apparently not. Apparently not, Carl. And honestly,
Speaker 2: I feel no sympathy for when these people will will
Speaker 2: meet the consequences because they had a chance. They saw
Speaker 2: the crown laying in the gutter, it picked it up,
Speaker 2: turned it over, dropped it back in the gutter, and said,
Speaker 2: hey kid, you want a fifty year mortgage.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's what they did.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Carl, I've been ranting at you for twenty three minutes,
Speaker 2: so I'll like you respond.
Speaker 7: No, I you know, I We're on the same wavelength.
Speaker 7: And it's been it's been. My biggest concern is this
Speaker 7: normalcy bias among just normal people out there who think
Speaker 7: that it's nineteen eighty two. It is not nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 7: The I posted something last night after you sent that
Speaker 7: article out over and I was just of the same,
Speaker 7: just thinking about all the people who are trying to
Speaker 7: steer the GOP back into being just what it is,
Speaker 7: which is the GOP, which is a part. It's not
Speaker 7: even a party of beautiful losers, like Sam Francis said,
Speaker 7: it's they make some of the mouth noises of being
Speaker 7: beautiful losers, but in general there it's just like you said,
Speaker 7: it's just a grift. It's it's a bust out operation
Speaker 7: at this point. And the thing, the important thing is that.
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Speaker 7: Sensibly, they're not even going to be getting free money
Speaker 7: anymore because the party is going to lose so badly
Speaker 7: that it'll become irrelevant. If you look at the UK,
Speaker 7: we've just seen parties that have been around for hundreds
Speaker 7: of years and go from major players to like barely
Speaker 7: on the game board anymore. They still have legacy money
Speaker 7: on the back end because they're like a party, and
Speaker 7: they're and they're gay as hell, but but no one cares, Like,
Speaker 7: if you have zero support, it doesn't matter how much
Speaker 7: money you have. If you lose and get wiped off
Speaker 7: the board, you can't even run the scam anymore. So
Speaker 7: what I did is I posted on the platform, stupidly
Speaker 7: renamed X as our friend Ziman's referred to it, and
Speaker 7: basically went through thirty five years of electoral history of
Speaker 7: the Republican Party in terms of the presidential election results.
Speaker 7: So I went nineteen ninety two to present, right, and
Speaker 7: we have George HW. Bush as the incumbent losing to
Speaker 7: Bill Clinton, and a lot of that was because of
Speaker 7: the Gulf War. Right, there were other things as well.
Speaker 7: The economy wasn't great, Ross pro Ran as a spoiler
Speaker 7: got just shy of nineteen percent of the vote whatever,
Speaker 7: huge umbers of disaffected people stayed home. Nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 7: Bob Dolea lost to Bill Clinton despite having a riled
Speaker 7: up right wing coming off the tail of a GOP
Speaker 7: landslide in the nineteen ninety four midterms. Right, he totally
Speaker 7: ate it because he was uninspiring, utterly conventional, stupid GOP platform.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: Two thousand, George W. Bush barely squeaked over the finish
Speaker 7: line in Florida with like a U you know, Supreme Court,
Speaker 7: you know, mandated governed process, and a lot of what
Speaker 7: he was talking about was we need to end the
Speaker 7: forever wars and the nation building, which is just war light,
Speaker 7: which the Democrats are doing. Okay, great, he wins, something happens,
Speaker 7: some people do some things, there's a war. He gets reelected.
Speaker 7: So here's two GOP elections back to back. But again
Speaker 7: he barely squeaks by John Kerry with a few percentage points,
Speaker 7: like two or three percentage points. The economy was doing
Speaker 7: well ish right before it tanked. Right then. Two thousand
Speaker 7: and eight, John McCain, you know, Senator blood Feast loses
Speaker 7: in a landslide to Barack Houssein Obama, who fixes like
Speaker 7: bad feelings and racism forever right. It worked out great,
Speaker 7: huge numbers of disaffected people who said I'm not going
Speaker 7: to vote for John McCain or Barack Obama stayed home.
Speaker 7: Twenty twelve, Mitt Romney loses to Barack Hussein Obama despite
Speaker 7: again a riled upright wing on the tail of GOP
Speaker 7: landslides and the twenty ten midterms, because Romney sucked he
Speaker 7: had a stupid GOP platform. Donald Trump descends the Golden escalators.
Speaker 7: Any success the GOP has it in this period is
Speaker 7: coming off reactions to Democrats being in power, and then
Speaker 7: it gets flubbed at the national level by not only
Speaker 7: the Congress, who has great rhetoric, but they get in
Speaker 7: there and they do the usual crap. They don't really
Speaker 7: fight the way they say they're going to. They take
Speaker 7: care of the big boys. Screw Americans is always the
Speaker 7: theme on all these things. Immigration. They use some rhetoric,
Speaker 7: but they don't actually do anything about what you know,
Speaker 7: Democrats are pushing. Democrats are importing not only Democrat voters,
Speaker 7: but masses that can be used to stuff the ballot
Speaker 7: boxes by Democrats. Of these uninterested people who aren't actually votevoting.
Speaker 7: I want to remind you that illegal aliens don't really
Speaker 7: vote that much. Ballots are stuffed by the Democrat Party
Speaker 7: machines using these registered voters, these illegally registered voters, or
Speaker 7: even if they pass laws saying it's legal whatever, they're
Speaker 7: not legitimate votes. And then so Trump wins, big whoop,
Speaker 7: the GOP fights him just as much as the Democratic Party,
Speaker 7: and everything grinds to a fucking halt. So all the
Speaker 7: stuff that we need to do this was flight ninety
Speaker 7: three election scenario, which, as you pointed out, like the
Speaker 7: plane is going to crash into something very important. At
Speaker 7: least we can wrestle it away and have it crash
Speaker 7: in a field and die heroes and save other people. No,
Speaker 7: can't do that. We got it. We got to keep
Speaker 7: the rhetoric, you know, respectable. We got to get invited
Speaker 7: to the same Washington parties. We have to keep the
Speaker 7: grift going. I just want to point something out that
Speaker 7: took place in two thousand and nine through two thousand
Speaker 7: and eight BC in China called the Chen Sheng and
Speaker 7: Wu Guang Uprising, and it was the first uprising against
Speaker 7: the Qin dynasty, and it was led by two generals.
Speaker 7: They were army officers who were ordered to lead their
Speaker 7: bands of commoner soldiers north to participate in the defense
Speaker 7: of Yuyog. However, they were stopped halfway by flooding from
Speaker 7: a severe rainstorm. The harsh laws of the Qin dynasty
Speaker 7: mandated execution for those who showed up late for government jobs,
Speaker 7: regardless of the nature of the delay or the cause.
Speaker 7: So instead they rebelled and butchered their superiors, because the
Speaker 7: penalty would have been the same if they had just
Speaker 7: walked in and put their heads on the block, if
Speaker 7: they had just shown up and said sorry. It is very,
Speaker 7: very dangerous to spit in the face of your natural allies,
Speaker 7: who are your descendants, who are your people, to spit
Speaker 7: in their face, to prefer others, or just so that
Speaker 7: you can continue your looting operation, because the punishment for
Speaker 7: them is death. It literally is death. The punishment for
Speaker 7: your entire society, based on the path that we're on,
Speaker 7: is death. Like you said, Brazil, Brazil is worse than death.
Speaker 7: In Brazil, at the very least, you have legacy racisms
Speaker 7: is which allow people to create these enclaves where they
Speaker 7: can actually blow away people who try to break in
Speaker 7: and attack them in their homes, and you can't really
Speaker 7: do that in America. The FEDS will come down from
Speaker 7: helicopters and annihilate you if you try to, you know, basically,
Speaker 7: reinstitute anything resembling freedom of association. And so continuing on
Speaker 7: the path that we're on is death. So if are
Speaker 7: you know, quote unquote moral superiors are constantly betraying the
Speaker 7: supposed ideals that they preach to us and the supposed
Speaker 7: beliefs that they want to shove down our throats, they
Speaker 7: constantly violate those flagrantly. We know it, and they know it,
Speaker 7: and they know that we know it. Why would we
Speaker 7: listen to them, why would we care what they say?
Speaker 7: And why would we treat them any differently theoretically than
Speaker 7: some Chinese generals three thousand years ago when when they
Speaker 7: were presented with the quandary that they faced.
Speaker 2: Well, and this is the the oft the often voked
Speaker 2: in a rubicon, Caesar was put in a position where
Speaker 2: quite simply, it was do or dot. He could either
Speaker 2: do something unspeakable right, you know, violate this kind of
Speaker 2: social contract, or he could be killed. Now, look, I'm
Speaker 2: not advising anyone person to do what Caesar did. But
Speaker 2: I am saying that you run into a problem. And
Speaker 2: this is something that we saw, really. It floated often
Speaker 2: during the Bike administration's response to COVID when they were saying,
Speaker 2: you know, oh, if you don't you know, if you
Speaker 2: don't take a treatment, well you can't have a job anymore. Well,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you've basically just said you know,
Speaker 2: you have You've told a bunch of people that they're
Speaker 2: in sort of a do or die situation. And I
Speaker 2: just want to clarify I am not fed posting. The
Speaker 2: slightest here not allaying is that you need to create
Speaker 2: a system where your citizens have buy in, where they
Speaker 2: have a reason for doing what you want them to do.
Speaker 2: Because you have a problem with scale, You can't actually
Speaker 2: force everyone all at once to do something. You need
Speaker 2: people to sort of self enforce to go by commonly
Speaker 2: accepted rules because you can't have a policeman everywhere all
Speaker 2: at once. Now, a certain dynamic that we see is
Speaker 2: that you know, in kind of these you know, Banana
Speaker 2: republics or your African dictatorships, the answer is, well, I
Speaker 2: don't really care what you do so long as I'm
Speaker 2: in charge. And maybe that's where we're headed. Maybe we
Speaker 2: really are kind of speed running the transition to you know,
Speaker 2: third world shithole. But it's a massive loss of authority.
Speaker 2: You're no longer a real country anymore. You're kind of
Speaker 2: this sort of garrison state. And what's especially galling to
Speaker 2: me is to watch something like a functional high trust society,
Speaker 2: you know, where so many things work without direct government
Speaker 2: intervention first being transitioned into this sort of managerial state
Speaker 2: where everything is effectively government dictat We've seen this in
Speaker 2: the economy, right it sort of becomes a command economy,
Speaker 2: but then again sort of willfully deconstructed into a non
Speaker 2: functional sort of third world system blackwater. You call it
Speaker 2: a third world shithole. I call it Central Maine. Fair enough, man,
Speaker 2: I guess, or you know, another outpost of Somolia, as
Speaker 2: I've been rightly informed. But anyway, right, nonetheless, to me,
Speaker 2: it's incredibly it's incredibly galling, you know, and people often
Speaker 2: have accused Trump of sort of fishing in the rubicon.
Speaker 2: You're sticking your toe end maybe maybe not, oh maybe
Speaker 2: maybe not. And what's especially irritating to me about that
Speaker 2: is that the consequences for him personally are going to
Speaker 2: be dire.
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Speaker 13: you start doing maths you haven't touched since the leaving start.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not with you know energy.
Speaker 13: With you know energy, you get monthly bill predictions, track
Speaker 13: what you're using by the hour, and even see where
Speaker 13: you're overspending.
Speaker 6: It's the tumble dryer.
Speaker 13: It's always the tumble dryer. With you know energy, it's
Speaker 13: all in the app simple as So instead of guessing
Speaker 13: you're actually managing your energy, you know energy, you just
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Speaker 14: Four doors, four belts. That was only three clicks? Where's
Speaker 14: the last click? Someone somewhere in their seat belt. I
Speaker 14: need to ask him to put it on? But what
Speaker 14: if you have something? What if the others take off
Speaker 14: their belts in solidarity? What if I don't ask them?
Speaker 7: However bad you.
Speaker 15: Think asking will be, it's nothing compared to what could
Speaker 15: happen if you don't.
Speaker 14: Would you mind wearing your seat belt?
Speaker 7: No problem?
Speaker 15: Man Asking your mates to wear seat belt won't kill
Speaker 15: you every time every trip, everybody belt up. A message
Speaker 15: from the Road Safety Authority.
Speaker 2: I happen to believe, you know, these sort of left
Speaker 2: wing figures who basically said, like he's gonna die in jail,
Speaker 2: we're gonna get it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're gonna get everyone who had anything to do
Speaker 7: with him as well as we're going to go after
Speaker 7: the people who voted for him.
Speaker 2: Well, and let's let's also acknowledge that this is being
Speaker 2: applied now to you know, federal agents as well. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this was sort of a story that's kind of come
Speaker 2: and gone. But if you remember, you know, a group
Speaker 2: of six Democrats kind of god, I man, I hate
Speaker 2: Republicans so much, but termed as the sort of seditious
Speaker 2: six is what they've been called, basically said, hey, remember
Speaker 2: military remember ice agents. Uh, not only do you have
Speaker 2: no obligation to follow an unconstitutional rule, but guess what,
Speaker 2: you know, you might be criminally liable basically threatening. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and when you combine that with you know, the reaction
Speaker 2: to the you know, I guess semi successful assassination of
Speaker 2: two National guardsmen in DC.
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 2: Is my microphone really that quiet? People are saying it is?
Speaker 7: It sounds wonderful to me. Maybe everyone should turn their
Speaker 7: speakers up. No, they're saying that louder than you. Whoa
Speaker 7: is that two live? That's okay, I'll turn mine down,
Speaker 7: all my speakers down?
Speaker 2: Cool, all right, why just juice my volume? Uh?
Speaker 7: Let me. People are saying it's good.
Speaker 2: I hate audio issues. Test test all right, it looks
Speaker 2: good on the wait form. All right, anyway, we're uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the answer I was looking for. Your mic
Speaker 2: is fine. Everyone is just poor and stupid, completely agree, man,
Speaker 2: So true anyway.
Speaker 7: Oh shoot, but.
Speaker 2: As we you know, as we look at that, it's
Speaker 2: this sort of this sort of you know, mix of
Speaker 2: on one hand, you know, agitation towards violence to their
Speaker 2: own people, right basically saying you know, oh you know
Speaker 2: it is morally legitimate to resist you know, fascist orders.
Speaker 2: Is kind of like whitewashing of you know, the the
Speaker 2: assassins on uh, you know, Kirk, or the attempted assassination
Speaker 2: of U, s assassination Trump. We're saying like, oh, those
Speaker 2: aren't our guys, but you could understand why they did it,
Speaker 2: you know, that sort of stuff. The kind of you know,
Speaker 2: armed trans armed LGBT movement that you and I have
Speaker 2: sort of been documenting back and forth for a while.
Speaker 2: They're doing that while also informing the you know, duly
Speaker 2: elected leaders of this nation and their supporters, either in
Speaker 2: government or out, we will try you. Yeah, and the
Speaker 2: sake of in the case of Hegseeth again, which I
Speaker 2: can't believe I keep saying this, literally threatening him with
Speaker 2: war crimes tributals, you know, let alone the kind of
Speaker 2: soldiers involved in it. And again it's this sort of
Speaker 2: the squeeze of basically you're creating a massive group of
Speaker 2: people who have very little to lose. And that's really
Speaker 2: dangerous because it's not as if there's even a person
Speaker 2: to step in and say, okay, well you're my guys,
Speaker 2: like I will act on your behalf, because the nominal
Speaker 2: leadership is apparently fully willing to bite the pillow and
Speaker 2: take it basically say like, yeah, we don't really want
Speaker 2: to actually do anything that would be too much work,
Speaker 2: while the opposition is saying we are coming to get you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: We're coming for you. And to me, this is incredibly unstable,
Speaker 2: incredibly unstable, and look man like you and I have
Speaker 2: particularly radical politics. I get that, but ultimately we both
Speaker 2: live here. I don't really look forward to what seems
Speaker 2: to be coming, which is, you know, this kind of
Speaker 2: explosion of political violence and criminality is very very unpleasant.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, we've kind of teased it, and I
Speaker 2: don't think we'll go through it directly, but you know,
Speaker 2: you and I were sharing back and forth this article
Speaker 2: from Wired, which this article is very very cringe. You
Speaker 2: can find it if you want. It's written by Miniesha Krishnam.
Speaker 7: Very libertarian, left libertarian, coded.
Speaker 2: Wink wing, the hard left shooters leading a gun culture revolution.
Speaker 2: So for a little bit of context on this, this
Speaker 2: is basically an investigation into the kind of two a
Speaker 2: for all space kind of surrounding two social media accounts,
Speaker 2: one an account called tactical girlfriend uh not a girl,
Speaker 2: and then and also another kind of infamous figure carl Cassada,
Speaker 2: who is a in a polyamorous relationship with a transwoman
Speaker 2: and a one time minister in the Church of Satan uh.
Speaker 2: And what I thought was interesting about this is a
Speaker 2: couple of things. One the kind of broader framing of
Speaker 2: how these people are positioning themselves, the sort of like
Speaker 2: backwards victim narrative by which Charlie Kirk being shot by
Speaker 2: a guy who sleeps with a transwoman is an assault
Speaker 2: on them personally. Yeah, Okay, I would have thought it
Speaker 2: was the guy who got shot, but whatever. But also
Speaker 2: the kind of what we've been talking about, which is
Speaker 2: the the expectation and desire for political violence among these people. Carl,
Speaker 2: I know you and I both have a lot of
Speaker 2: you know, background on this, but did you want to
Speaker 2: introduce Carl Cassata just briefly to those who aren't familiar.
Speaker 7: Carl Cassada is a bell who was involved in in
Speaker 7: Range TV with Gun Jesus, who runs Forgotten Weapons, which
Speaker 7: most of the time weapons aren't very forgotten.
Speaker 2: And for context on this these two figures, Ian McCollum
Speaker 2: Forgotten Weapons has largely stayed completely and totally apolitical.
Speaker 7: Which is why he slid away from Carl Cassata.
Speaker 2: And this is a guy who you can kind of
Speaker 2: guess that he's probably a little more liberal than most,
Speaker 2: but goes out of his way to never talk about it.
Speaker 2: It's very scholarly, and the two of them, like ten
Speaker 2: years ago, had a side project together and effectively, this guy,
Speaker 2: Carl Cassada, lost his marbles during Trump one point. Oh,
Speaker 2: for all the reasons you can imagine, the two of
Speaker 2: them parted ways. Carl kept the YouTube channel which was
Speaker 2: very large, and so he has enjoyed outsized influence by
Speaker 2: virtue of having someone else famous grow a YouTube channel
Speaker 2: for him. Yes, And additionally, in the kind of fallout
Speaker 2: from this, uh Carl has and depending on who you ask,
Speaker 2: was either sort of in the area or heavily involved
Speaker 2: in popularizing a group of shooting matches called Brutality. It
Speaker 2: would be blank Brutality. They'd be themed and they're sort
Speaker 2: of like extreme versions of stage shooting. So whereas it
Speaker 2: like a USPSA or a DPA match, you'd kind of
Speaker 2: you know, run around a course, lean around some barriers
Speaker 2: and shoot paper targets, this is sort of one step
Speaker 2: up from that, so you know, there'd be a physical component,
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit more unpleasant. You might have
Speaker 2: to you know, kind of combining a shooting match and
Speaker 2: like a tough mutter event or you know those this
Speaker 2: sort of like races where there's an endurance component, there's
Speaker 2: a and they're not particularly serious.
Speaker 7: They're falling tedtle bells, toss.
Speaker 2: So it's a way to, yeah, do practical shooting with
Speaker 2: a physical component through it.
Speaker 7: And stress stress induction is that is it's trying to
Speaker 7: simulate combat and that you get a super elevated heart
Speaker 7: rate and stuff like that and try to shoot.
Speaker 2: One, which sounds like a lot of fun. Never been
Speaker 2: one makes sense. But what's interesting is because this guy
Speaker 2: lost his mind and became a not became revealed himself
Speaker 2: to be a almost actual Satanist, he started dragging this
Speaker 2: more and more into left wing politics. Yeah right, you know,
Speaker 2: talking constantly about different instances when you know base minorities
Speaker 2: have used guns against the KKK, talking about how uh,
Speaker 2: you know, one of the cooks in Colonel Custer's cavalry
Speaker 2: regiment was trans all this kind of stuff, and so
Speaker 2: has been doing particularly events where these are marketed to
Speaker 2: the LGBTQ community, which means it is the exact same
Speaker 2: crop of autistic men, just in dresses that would be
Speaker 2: in a normal shooting competition anyway. So this order from
Speaker 2: Wired goes in to sort of talk to, you know,
Speaker 2: the left wing Second Amendment community, like what do they think?
Speaker 2: And it's not a very good article. It's sort of
Speaker 2: fumbled multiple times because first, you know, this was written
Speaker 2: during the you know, the Kirk assassination, so that takes
Speaker 2: up a large portion of it. But also because you know,
Speaker 2: this person who I can't tell their gender from their name,
Speaker 2: Star Wars name basically went to this event and then
Speaker 2: there was you know, dry grass caught on fire, so
Speaker 2: they had to call it. You know, it just wasn't
Speaker 2: wasn't safe due to weather conditions or whatever. So it
Speaker 2: was really kind of a pointless article. And it's not
Speaker 2: a very good article. I'm not saying you should read it.
Speaker 2: But what it is interesting for is to kind of
Speaker 2: get a view into the trantiss aries right the armed
Speaker 2: transgender lunatics. There's a number of different groups associated with it,
Speaker 2: the SRA, Socialist Rifle Association, the John Brown Gun Club, others.
Speaker 2: But what's interesting to me is the language with which
Speaker 2: they are speaking. And Carl, I'll throw it to you
Speaker 2: because I've been talking too much. How would you describe
Speaker 2: the information from.
Speaker 7: This It it's very victim termed like. But also they're
Speaker 7: they're pushing this like this is the new normal and
Speaker 7: we have to embrace these obvious violent lunatics and this
Speaker 7: is this is the righteous expression of like Second Amendment,
Speaker 7: which is we you know, these are the people who
Speaker 7: are going to be out there slugging away against you know,
Speaker 7: the evil right wing for us and we should get
Speaker 7: behind them because it's great. Uh, it's glowing, turned like
Speaker 7: the language is glowing. We can tell by the name,
Speaker 7: you know, if this isn't if the author isn't a
Speaker 7: trannissary who's transracial, which is something that happens a lot
Speaker 7: where they give themselves names from far away lands to
Speaker 7: you know, further de white assize themselves, which is what
Speaker 7: this is all about. I'm one of the good ones.
Speaker 7: I'm not a bad white. It's it's this glowing language
Speaker 7: preparing the battle space. And again this is wired. Wired
Speaker 7: is a libertarian slash techie left right, and it's saying
Speaker 7: that this is to the two A is for everyone.
Speaker 7: You know, YadA, YadA, YadA. They're preparing the battle space
Speaker 7: so that you can be shot by one of these
Speaker 7: lunatic Trannis series. That's the whole point of all this,
Speaker 7: that this is normal, and it's also there's this other
Speaker 7: element to it. And I always go back to like
Speaker 7: Spanish Civil War, you know, as a topic, just because
Speaker 7: it's my wheelhouse at this point in life. But it's
Speaker 7: also illustrative, which is that the when you look at Spain,
Speaker 7: there was the kind of normal, normal leftists who aren't
Speaker 7: like bloodthirsty who are like I just want these outcomes
Speaker 7: and I want the government to be like this, and
Speaker 7: I don't want the bad things to happen. And they
Speaker 7: were instantly shoved to the side by the lunatics. Because
Speaker 7: in when bullets are flying both ways, people who are
Speaker 7: actually going to be firing them are the ones who
Speaker 7: climb to the top. So insane anarchists.
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Speaker 7: Most importantly, Soviet backed communists, who were a very small
Speaker 7: faction initially took over the whole thing because they were
Speaker 7: the ones who had the resources and were the most extreme.
Speaker 7: And this is battlespy space preparation for that kind of
Speaker 7: a situation, like transparently. So when you read the language
Speaker 7: about it, well one.
Speaker 2: Hundred right, it is very much, uh, you know, a whitewashing,
Speaker 2: a desire to kind of turn armed lunatics into you know,
Speaker 2: kind of chic edgy icons. You see that with this
Speaker 2: technical girlfriend figure there, there's like genuinely gushing pros talking
Speaker 2: about how how.
Speaker 7: Brave and beautiful striking. Yeah, I mean it's it's a
Speaker 7: dude with I makeup.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you notice, by the way, uh, like many others,
Speaker 2: always covers the lower half of his face.
Speaker 7: Yes, in.
Speaker 2: Common theme there.
Speaker 7: Ah.
Speaker 2: But I think that when we combine all of this,
Speaker 2: you get this picture of what is to come and
Speaker 2: is not particularly rosy. You get the direct threats that
Speaker 2: like we were coming for you, We are going to
Speaker 2: you know, charge you with crimes, We are going to
Speaker 2: go after you know, podcasters, social media figures. Obviously the
Speaker 2: real victims of this. Podcasters are the really the point
Speaker 2: of society is to predict a podcaster, but you soldiers,
Speaker 2: government agents, politicians, and at the same time kind of
Speaker 2: whitewashing both the same sort of lunatics who are in
Speaker 2: the process of waging kind of a low level domestic
Speaker 2: terror campaign, whitewashing them and also giving them time to
Speaker 2: say like, oh, we expect there to be sort of
Speaker 2: an analogous situation to the years of lead. That's what
Speaker 2: we think is coming. And of course it's all cast
Speaker 2: in victim narrative casts. Oh Tucker is going to get me. Oh,
Speaker 2: you know, Laura Loomer is going to get me, which is,
Speaker 2: to be fair, something I would be terrified of. That
Speaker 2: woman looks like a escape science experiment, so reasonable fear
Speaker 2: in that one instance. But nonetheless, that is what is
Speaker 2: being seated, the idea that you know, these sort of
Speaker 2: figures are doing a good and laudable thing, and.
Speaker 7: That was implicitly said for the listeners out there. They
Speaker 7: specifically invoked the years of lead. Uh. Taxical girlfriend specifically
Speaker 7: cited that.
Speaker 2: And and what's so, I guess kind of yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: is that they they do kind of close ups on
Speaker 2: their gear one uh, for anyone interested in tactical gear.
Speaker 2: Patches are Reddit and cringe. Don't lease them, especially not
Speaker 2: to the degree done in this one. But you see
Speaker 2: these kind of you know, typical you know, left wing
Speaker 2: slogans but kind of turned up an not except for blood.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, you'll have like arm or like protect trans
Speaker 2: kits with the trans flag and M four on it. Okay,
Speaker 2: well that's a slightly edgier version of the you know,
Speaker 2: the stiletto image something you see elsewhere. But also you'll
Speaker 2: have something as similar as like basically and let me
Speaker 2: get the exact quote here. Yes, so it's a picture
Speaker 2: of a skull with a knife through it. Death to
Speaker 2: all who stand in the way of freedom for queer people.
Speaker 2: Several things. One leftist meme, stereotype, undef it's way too
Speaker 2: many words to put on a piece of political propaganda.
Speaker 2: It's it's like this long, you can't read the text.
Speaker 2: But also, uh, what do you think that means? Bud? Yeah, literally,
Speaker 2: just after talking about the assassination of Kirk, it's like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, death to people who stand in the way
Speaker 2: of queer liberation. And earlier they mentioned, of course, the
Speaker 2: stats that not only was neither assassin related to the
Speaker 2: trans community. We know that that is false. Just look
Speaker 2: at the relationship that Tyler Robinson was in. Sorry, the
Speaker 2: was Tyler Robinson the Kirk shooter? I was get the
Speaker 2: mixed up.
Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure the Kirk shooter. Yes, yes, yes, I.
Speaker 2: Was get him and Crooks backwards. Point is the we
Speaker 2: know that's not correct, correct, But when you combine that
Speaker 2: with you know, basically talking about the oh, the the
Speaker 2: deep irony you know, and this is something they mentioned
Speaker 2: something you'll hear elsewhere, the deep irony of Kirk talking
Speaker 2: about guns and then he's shot with a gun. Isn't
Speaker 2: that Isn't that funny? Isn't that laughable? It's like, well,
Speaker 2: I mean, I can respect the poetic irony here, but
Speaker 2: also man like, you do realize what's happening, You do
Speaker 2: realize what this results in, like just rampant political assassination.
Speaker 2: And again, while this is just being whitewashed, it's genuinely
Speaker 2: I don't want to say scary. I'm not quaking in
Speaker 2: my boots, but to me, the prognosis is very clear
Speaker 2: that the nominal right in America has made it clear
Speaker 2: that they are not a serious political force, that they
Speaker 2: are abandoning their hope for the future. They are abandoning
Speaker 2: any sort of possibility of forming a coalition going forward.
Speaker 2: They just discarded that as an option. They do not care.
Speaker 2: They're creating a circumstance for increased political radicalization on both sides,
Speaker 2: while their enemies are not only stoking the flames of
Speaker 2: radicalization but making it clear we are coming for you,
Speaker 2: we are going to get you. And so in my mind,
Speaker 2: this has just really put a nail in the coffin
Speaker 2: of the conservative movement right. Clearly, they are not a
Speaker 2: real political party. And we all knew this, right and
Speaker 2: I understand that people have been you know, posting the
Speaker 2: fel for it again, you know, posting the you know,
Speaker 2: you're an idiot forever trying a couple of things. One,
Speaker 2: Pessimists are right, Optimists make money. You got to take
Speaker 2: a swing every once in a while, right, especially when
Speaker 2: you were presented with a series of we would say,
Speaker 2: in the virgin community, not twenties, right, the crazy once,
Speaker 2: you know, incredibly uncommon windfall, Like, oh great, wow, our
Speaker 2: guy has this iconic image, you know, survive in the assassination.
Speaker 2: Let's see what we can do with that. Oh he's
Speaker 2: doing things, saying things that would actually produce meaningful results. Oh,
Speaker 2: he's got guys behind him. Oh not only that, you know,
Speaker 2: we have this dramatic political assassination. So look, it was
Speaker 2: sort of a perfect storm of can we reform this
Speaker 2: within the system? Everything went right that should have gone right,
Speaker 2: and what happened nothing. This is not a real political part.
Speaker 2: It's not a real political movements. A group of losers,
Speaker 2: A group of losers who are much more interested in
Speaker 2: their gibs right where that is personally or to their
Speaker 2: you know, clients across the ocean, than they are actually
Speaker 2: one preserving or representing any sort of country whatsoever, or
Speaker 2: seemingly securing their own existence, avoiding jail time, not being
Speaker 2: shot by insane sexual degenerates. It's baffling, like genuinely baffling,
Speaker 2: you know, It's sort of like people are sort of
Speaker 2: shocked when they learned that, you know, there are some
Speaker 2: animals that are quite literally too stupid to save themselves,
Speaker 2: right like if you, you know, turn a sheep over
Speaker 2: and sand. I don't know if it's true or not.
Speaker 2: I've heard it repeated. It just can't get up. It'll
Speaker 2: starve to death. It is so unsuited for that situation,
Speaker 2: will die. And to me, that is what the Republican
Speaker 2: Party is. A genuine genetic dead end, an animal the dodo,
Speaker 2: literally too stupid to live outside of the exact environment
Speaker 2: for which it was born. And yeah, I have no
Speaker 2: sympathy for these people at all.
Speaker 7: Can I point something out here real quick? So Soligoal
Speaker 7: commented in chat. Wired is owned by Conde Nast, which
Speaker 7: also owns Reddit. Conde Nast also owns Vogue, The New Yorker, GQ, Glamour,
Speaker 7: Architectural Digest, Vanity, Fair, Bon Appetite, and Pitchfork. And then
Speaker 7: on top of that, who owns Conde Nast, Like it's
Speaker 7: all these massive media conglomerates there's a lot of power
Speaker 7: behind this piece being put out. You mentioned Reddit, who
Speaker 7: was the most powerful moderator on Reddit, Like, it's basically
Speaker 7: completely proven at this point, just laying Maxwell, It's true.
Speaker 7: It's weird, Yeah, Maxwell Hill, it.
Speaker 2: Is just a random, you know, factoid. Isn't that funny?
Speaker 7: Isn't it funny time? Hm? It's gonna just gonna stroke
Speaker 7: my chin? What a What a wacky coincidence? What a
Speaker 7: wacky coincidence? No, it's fascinating. And the I think the
Speaker 7: other side of this is is so so Jay. You've
Speaker 7: been talking about the the the parasites who are like
Speaker 7: the the good boys within the GOP, like we could say,
Speaker 7: who are doing doing the thing, you know, to to
Speaker 7: get there, to get their gibbs. The other side of
Speaker 7: it are the the raving Zionists who think that they're
Speaker 7: that they're a complicent, that this can be done, that
Speaker 7: they can wrestle back the party UH into their total
Speaker 7: control while keeping it relevant. And the most important thing
Speaker 7: to understand there is that they can't. That they will
Speaker 7: just be a not only a party of losers, but
Speaker 7: they will lose so badly that it will have been
Speaker 7: a totally wasted investment on the part of the let's say,
Speaker 7: advocates for the most specialist Middle Eastern democracy ever and
Speaker 7: only Middle Eastern democracy, right, so it's it can be
Speaker 7: this great. So they they wrestle back ownership of the
Speaker 7: party and none of the stuff ever comes out again,
Speaker 7: right like the geob let's say, the GOP becomes totally
Speaker 7: cut them again. Well, there goes any relevance in elections
Speaker 7: ever again, like totally gone. And they've already, like I've
Speaker 7: pointed out, they've already been so outed as this like
Speaker 7: controlled opposition party for so long that the only thing
Speaker 7: that got them victory again after years, you know, of
Speaker 7: straight losing, you know, with thirty five years of only
Speaker 7: partial success, was Donald Trump, who came in with a
Speaker 7: totally different platform that people actually wanted, where all these
Speaker 7: disaffected regular Americans supported him. And yes, there are all
Speaker 7: these other people who came in to the coalition. You know,
Speaker 7: there's all the people who are like the left left
Speaker 7: me or you know, the you know, the based Florida
Speaker 7: Cubans who both poor Donald Trump, Donald Trump and you
Speaker 7: know and all that. Yeah, sure, but his real base
Speaker 7: is white Americans who stopped voting and so all the
Speaker 7: people who's tummy's hurt by, you know, the stuff that
Speaker 7: needs to be done so that we don't get shot
Speaker 7: in the back of the head and thrown into my
Speaker 7: graves or just like raped for the rest of time
Speaker 7: and your grandchildren raped for the rest of time. The
Speaker 7: only thing that you can do is resist that with
Speaker 7: state power, lawfully enforcing existing laws and getting rid of
Speaker 7: the people that are enabling the stuff or doing this stuff,
Speaker 7: which I still feel like we're going to see a
Speaker 7: decent amount of that, Like there's a lot of wheels
Speaker 7: that are in motion at this point where again it's
Speaker 7: not going to be everything, of course not, but these
Speaker 7: small chunks where we're going to see this improvement. And
Speaker 7: then what that'll allow us to do is to use
Speaker 7: that in our rhetoric or to orient our own lives.
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Speaker 2: So I realized this is probably the wrong time to
Speaker 2: bring this up because we are in an hour. But
Speaker 2: I get sent a really interesting podcast by friend of
Speaker 2: the show, Stormy Waters. So I've never listened to this
Speaker 2: podcast before. I know nothing about it. It was a
Speaker 2: singularly good episode, so it is TFTC a Bitcoin Podcast,
Speaker 2: Episode six eighty eight with Mark Mitchell, who I believe
Speaker 2: runs Resmusen recommend it. It's really fascinating because he basically
Speaker 2: offers the same analysis you and I have, talking about
Speaker 2: the problems facing younger voters and the massive issue that
Speaker 2: this creates for the Republican Party, and he recounts meeting
Speaker 2: with the President to tell him about this, and it's interesting,
Speaker 2: he basically said. The only person who even kind of
Speaker 2: gets that is JD. Van's interesting if you combine this
Speaker 2: with the analysis that Stormy and I kind of came
Speaker 2: up with, you know, as regards the kind of woke
Speaker 2: right smear right it seems to be directed at Vance,
Speaker 2: who knows. Again, not the biggest fan of him personally,
Speaker 2: but it's interesting how many people I hate are interested
Speaker 2: and get getting rid of him anyway. But to get
Speaker 2: back to it, one of the things he talks about,
Speaker 2: because he is a Polster, is some really interesting findings
Speaker 2: among particularly younger voters, which his younger conservatives are extremely
Speaker 2: comfortable with one basically a dictator. Effectively, he floated this,
Speaker 2: He's like, how comfortable would you be with an unaccountable
Speaker 2: AI running the system? Okay, which we understand what that
Speaker 2: actually needs right, just unaccountable authority, you know, a top
Speaker 2: down directive. And the demographic that supports this the most
Speaker 2: by a large margin. It's like, I think it's like
Speaker 2: plus twenty years plus thirty it's a significant amount. Is
Speaker 2: conservatives under forty interesting other things that conservative under forties
Speaker 2: talk about is apparently, according to him, very comfortable discarding
Speaker 2: the kind of shibboleths of you know, liberal economics, right,
Speaker 2: nationalizing industry, you know, banning things like AI. Basically you know,
Speaker 2: which is I guess deeply ironic given other findings. But
Speaker 2: we've got to understand that the question isn't necessarily what's
Speaker 2: important here, it's what it reveals, uh, basically saying those
Speaker 2: people have broken from libertarian economics. And he puts forth
Speaker 2: the argument effectively that you know, when when people are
Speaker 2: all freaked out about you know, people you know, voting
Speaker 2: for universal basic income or this kind of attitude of whatever,
Speaker 2: I don't care, just let me afford a house, let
Speaker 2: me afford healthcare, whatever that is, just fix it. His
Speaker 2: argument is that that is effectively the same thing on
Speaker 2: both the right and the left that Mamdani voters are
Speaker 2: likely And we understand that, you know, there's multiple different
Speaker 2: parties supporting Mumdani, but a large portion of it was
Speaker 2: these kind of you know, young progressive white people, is
Speaker 2: effectively a desire to solve it. Right, this has become
Speaker 2: a Gordian knot, and there's this massive pent up desire
Speaker 2: for solutions. And what's so aggravating, and I've said that
Speaker 2: phrase one hundred times of this episode has got stuck
Speaker 2: in my brain for whatever reason, is that that the
Speaker 2: offering in some semblance of solutions does not require breaking
Speaker 2: the Republican Party, does not require breaking the system. It
Speaker 2: is technically possible to reform this, but anyone in charge
Speaker 2: seems so unwilling to do anything other than enrich themselves
Speaker 2: in the short term at their own let's not even
Speaker 2: say long term, medium term detriment, like what three years,
Speaker 2: It's not that long of a time frame before consequence
Speaker 2: has become real. It was on one hand sort of
Speaker 2: black pilling, right that this movement people in charge but
Speaker 2: are completely and totally incompetent. But also interesting from the
Speaker 2: perspective of like, oh like, there are a large number
Speaker 2: of very discontented people who are okay with relatively radical solutions, right,
Speaker 2: who are okay with kind of discarding you know, the
Speaker 2: rule of law like that was one of the other things,
Speaker 2: like when he asked young people, Uh, he asked young
Speaker 2: people basically like, well, how would you feel about, you know,
Speaker 2: throwing judges in jail? How would you feel about, you know,
Speaker 2: deporting people like you know Hamdani or people like Johanomar
Speaker 2: realize PNG. Yeah, but those again were the highest rates
Speaker 2: of support. These people are interested in something you know, radical,
Speaker 2: because I think it's important to say. I think when
Speaker 2: this this era is written about, people will not view
Speaker 2: current sort of economic woes as particularly separate from eight
Speaker 2: that this is largely the same crisis and has been
Speaker 2: sort of a slow boiling crisis the whole time, with
Speaker 2: kind of different punctuations, And to me, I see that
Speaker 2: as being accurate. The system majorly broke thirteen years ago,
Speaker 2: and we haven't really found a way to fix it.
Speaker 2: There were some band aids with certain things that Obama did,
Speaker 2: you know, certain things that Trump did, but it's not working.
Speaker 2: It's really not working, and that is going to become
Speaker 2: a massive liability for someone and it doesn't necessarily have
Speaker 2: to be the Republican Party. But they seemingly are are
Speaker 2: setting up for it, Max Pain. It was episode six
Speaker 2: eighty eight of that podcast. The guy's name is Mark Mitchell,
Speaker 2: so check that out. I thought it was pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: But Carl, we are fast coming up on time. If
Speaker 2: anyone wants to send their questions or comments via super chat,
Speaker 2: will be happy to address them. But before we do that,
Speaker 2: I'll let you respond to that, Carl.
Speaker 7: No think. I think there are people that are getting this,
Speaker 7: that they're coming around to actually thinking about it, and
Speaker 7: a lot of thought leaders have been in advance. We
Speaker 7: saw a bunch of Silicon Valley guys who who are
Speaker 7: you know, a little more normal ish. I mean, they're
Speaker 7: still you know, billionaire titans and stuff, but they've been
Speaker 7: talking about this stuff very in very practical terms. Even
Speaker 7: twenty years ago, there was a lot of talk about
Speaker 7: economic populism and pitchforks being on the horizon in a
Speaker 7: lot of a lot of environments, and I think, you know,
Speaker 7: it's been interesting to see how it's played out and
Speaker 7: how honest people are being about it. You know, it
Speaker 7: gets it gets very party in party political oriented. To
Speaker 7: use a Thomisism conjugation, but people just don't know what
Speaker 7: to do or what to think. And I think a
Speaker 7: lot of people are realizing, you know, what they're dealing
Speaker 7: with at this point in time. But again, you know,
Speaker 7: the the key point being is the power players are
Speaker 7: stuck in the mud, and it becomes impossible to address
Speaker 7: it honestly, Like you can't talk honestly about politics anymore.
Speaker 7: Like the totally normal thing that happened in twenty twenty
Speaker 7: and took place basically until like through some point in
Speaker 7: twenty I want to say, some point after October seven,
Speaker 7: twenty twenty three. Right, everything was totally normal and was
Speaker 7: a perfect expression, the perfect platonic expression of our democracy.
Speaker 7: And now all these people have been reacting to it
Speaker 7: as they kind of scramble for their own for their
Speaker 7: own interests and benefit. And the ones who are being
Speaker 7: honest about it and are able to speak openly and
Speaker 7: candidly about it are doing much better and they have
Speaker 7: a path to the future, and the ones that are
Speaker 7: suppressing it have no future and are throwing away the
Speaker 7: future of our country and our society and like quite
Speaker 7: possibly humanity at this point. I mean, I think long term,
Speaker 7: you know, we're gonna we're gonna win, but they're endangering
Speaker 7: they're endangering humanity by by supporting the path that the
Speaker 7: march to Brazil, the Brazilification of everything, and uh, fortunately
Speaker 7: a lot of people are starting to speak out, even
Speaker 7: though like the big players are generally pretending, you know,
Speaker 7: that everything is the house that is on fire as
Speaker 7: they sit at the table a dog and a hat
Speaker 7: say this is fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is uh incredibly aggravating. So one thing I
Speaker 2: will say, Uh, I'm just gonna chill just shamelessly here
Speaker 2: unrelated almost anything we talk about. I did a very
Speaker 2: rare effort post long article.
Speaker 7: It's very good.
Speaker 1: Oh uh.
Speaker 2: Anyway, so if you want to go over to my substack,
Speaker 2: read an article I wrote called James Lindsay's no good,
Speaker 2: very bad article. They could be honest, kind of unrelated
Speaker 2: really to what we talked about, but it is sort
Speaker 2: of a takedown of the reaction towards growing right wing
Speaker 2: youth radicalism, which is an argument where James Lindsay basically
Speaker 2: says you are completely and totally insane if you disagree
Speaker 2: with me. And also Schmid's friend enemy distinction is illegitimate.
Speaker 2: It slightly abbreviated. That's basically his argument. I think it
Speaker 2: will be interesting to see the jockeying for the last
Speaker 2: scraps of relevance from kind of conservative bank. I think
Speaker 2: they have fully and totally lost the base and they
Speaker 2: are going to get shellacked going forward. But nonetheless, characters
Speaker 2: like Lindsay and a few others seem to be sort
Speaker 2: of auditioning for you know, roles as kind of the
Speaker 2: you know, the captain of the Titanic right, looking for
Speaker 2: a role as a gatekeeper of you know, ever diminishing
Speaker 2: sort of intellectual playground. I think that will continue, I think,
Speaker 2: and this is something that Stormy and I put forward.
Speaker 2: But my guess is the way that this is going
Speaker 2: to be spun is we have lost in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: eight or we have lost in twenty twenty six because
Speaker 2: of our radical wink. And what we really need to
Speaker 2: do is refocus on being what we always were, which
Speaker 2: is a war mongering party of corporate horrors. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's the real core Republican message. And if you disagree
Speaker 2: with that, you're the reason we lost. So we need
Speaker 2: to cancel. We need to get you out. Chronicles Magazine
Speaker 2: Paul godfre each piece which dropped yesterday. It was called
Speaker 2: Preparation for a Purge.
Speaker 7: Quite good.
Speaker 2: You know someone who lived through, you know, the first
Speaker 2: round of neocon purging. I recommend reading that if you
Speaker 2: want to dig more into it. But effectively, not only
Speaker 2: are we supposed to if we do everythingere supposed to
Speaker 2: foot the bill going to be blamed for their own incompetence.
Speaker 2: I think that that is really the kind of goal
Speaker 2: behind the woke right stuff, is to create a specter
Speaker 2: of a fall guy for their own incompetent so we
Speaker 2: don't actually have to don't actually have to, you know,
Speaker 2: bearing responsibility? One super chat? Has no one told you
Speaker 2: your cries are all invain I'm not sure I kept
Speaker 2: the reference, but I do under I guess sympathize with
Speaker 2: the message behind it. But uh, Carl Man, we've gone
Speaker 2: over so this is unusually rant filled for me. I
Speaker 2: barely let you talk at all. That's podcasting. But uh,
Speaker 2: where can people find you?
Speaker 7: Man? Best place to find me is on my substack,
Speaker 7: which is Carldall dot substack dot com. That's k A
Speaker 7: R L d a h L dot substack dot com.
Speaker 7: Got two books on Amazon, Faction and Faction with the Crusaders.
Speaker 7: Both are very relevant to your interests. If you have
Speaker 7: any sympathies with regards to you, the kind of topics
Speaker 7: that we're discussing. And final point I would say is
Speaker 7: you invoked Mark Mitchell from Rasmussen and his appearance on
Speaker 7: that podcast. I will listen to that. But he's also
Speaker 7: been on a tear on X and is he's a
Speaker 7: very good poster on X. So people should give Mark
Speaker 7: Mitchell a follow after they buy book. But thanks Jay,
Speaker 7: great talking to you well.
Speaker 2: Again man, it was awesome speaking to you. You guys
Speaker 2: know where to find me anyway.
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