Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's new
Speaker 1: radio call.
Speaker 2: I thought that was very nice of you to put
Speaker 2: people's minds at ease on the folks who have lost
Speaker 2: power because of the wind gusts. Very thoughtful. I've been
Speaker 2: in that situation and you oh boy, hey, it's New England.
Speaker 2: But that's okay. We're in good shape here. My name
Speaker 2: is Dan Ray, and we will keep you as Nicole promised,
Speaker 2: we will keep you entertained and informed right up until midnight. Tonight.
Speaker 2: We've a couple of topics which are a little different. One,
Speaker 2: at nine o'clock, we're gonna be talking with the State Auditor,
Speaker 2: Diane Desauglia, who I think is doing a great job
Speaker 2: as a state auditor, and we're going to talk about
Speaker 2: the legislature's resistance to a ballot question which was passed
Speaker 2: overwhelmingly that the state auditor should be able to audit
Speaker 2: both branches of the legislature, the House and Senate. And
Speaker 2: then at ten o'clock, I'd like to talk about this
Speaker 2: murder that all of us now are aware of. I
Speaker 2: believe this healthcare executive in New York City early yesterday morning,
Speaker 2: and I just wonder if that is going to set
Speaker 2: a tone in this country. New York has very strict
Speaker 2: uncontrol laws, and this guy was able to be to
Speaker 2: shoot and kill. This coward shot the guy in the back.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about that at ten o'clock. Again,
Speaker 2: not often, we don't often talk about that sort of
Speaker 2: crime in other cities, but we'll make an exception today
Speaker 2: this evening. I should say my name is Stan Ray.
Speaker 2: I'm the host of the show. As Nicole had mentioned,
Speaker 2: Rob Brooks our producers back in Broadcast Central. He'll take
Speaker 2: care of you when we open up the phone lines
Speaker 2: for calls beginning at nine o'clock, and in the meantime
Speaker 2: we're going to talk with four I think very interesting
Speaker 2: guests here. We're going to start off with an author
Speaker 2: who has quite a background. His name is Robert Charles. Robert,
Speaker 2: Welcome to Nightside. First of all, i'd like to introduce
Speaker 2: you properly, if you give me just.
Speaker 3: A moment, Yeah, pleasure to talk to you and a
Speaker 3: real pleasure to be here with you with your listeners.
Speaker 2: Great. So, you're the author of a book called Cherish America,
Speaker 2: Stories of Courage, Character and Kindness that celebrates this idea
Speaker 2: of bravery and grace under fire, even a mid a time,
Speaker 2: a division of debate in the nation. You're a former
Speaker 2: Assistant Secretary of State under Colin Powell, and you've held
Speaker 2: positions in both the Reagan and Bush forty one, which
Speaker 2: is George Herbert Walker Bush in the White House. An
Speaker 2: extraordinary background. Tell us about the book. This is this
Speaker 2: your first book. It looks like it's quite a quite
Speaker 2: a work.
Speaker 3: Well, let me say, first of all, I grew up
Speaker 3: in rural New England, and just to be able to
Speaker 3: publish a book is a thing that was a marvel
Speaker 3: to me. This is actually my second big book. I
Speaker 3: did one about six years ago about growing up in
Speaker 3: rural New England called Eagles and Evergreens, and it.
Speaker 2: Was about growing up the state.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, well little teeny town called Wayne in Maine,
Speaker 3: of five hundred and seventy people. I said, give or
Speaker 3: take and believe it or not, I moved away. I
Speaker 3: did all those things and I came home. That's where
Speaker 3: I live now. So what happened six years ago? You know,
Speaker 3: six years ago that book came out, the first one,
Speaker 3: and it celebrated a kind of a novel idea. The
Speaker 3: idea that you would remember the influence of World War
Speaker 3: two vets in your life as you grew up in America.
Speaker 3: We're the last generation, you and I and your listeners
Speaker 3: really that will ever know the greatest generation first hand.
Speaker 3: So that was what that was about. The second book
Speaker 3: is called Cherish America. As you said, you can get
Speaker 3: it on Amazon or Tower Publishing. It's called Cherish America.
Speaker 3: Stories of Courage, Character and Kindness. And what happened is
Speaker 3: it swept over me that in the course of my really, look,
Speaker 3: my father never finished college. I had a blessed life.
Speaker 3: I grew up. My mother raised four kids more or
Speaker 3: less a and she pushed education. So I ended up
Speaker 3: at Dartmouth and Oxford University and Columbia Law School and
Speaker 3: clerked on the Ninth Circuit. And all of a sudden
Speaker 3: things began to happen in my life that were almost
Speaker 3: out of a you know, a Harry Potter book. It
Speaker 3: was crazy. I worked in the Reagan White House in
Speaker 3: Bush forty one, and then I worked personally and traveled
Speaker 3: all over the world with Colin Powell. But in that
Speaker 3: same sequence of events, and the book is divided into
Speaker 3: four sections. I also bumped into everyday people who had
Speaker 3: a tremendous effect on me, and actually many of them
Speaker 3: even on the world without knowing it. We all have stories,
Speaker 3: all of us, and some of those stories are really
Speaker 3: really compelling. This book is filled, Cherish America is filled
Speaker 3: with fifty six stories, and the first section are people
Speaker 3: who are veterans and teachers and nurses and athletes, and
Speaker 3: it's just it's kind of like a I'm trying to
Speaker 3: think of that movie Forrest Gump. It's kind of a
Speaker 3: remarkable of events that all these people should have crossed
Speaker 3: my paths. So by way of example, the first three
Speaker 3: of the first four stories and they're about law enforcement officers,
Speaker 3: and there's no politics in the book. It's all about
Speaker 3: the heroic soul all and I'm telling you, you buy
Speaker 3: this book, Cherish America. It makes an amazing gift because
Speaker 3: it's all about the goodness of the American heart and
Speaker 3: the can do spirit of Americans. So many of them
Speaker 3: are rescues where people save someone's life. The three of
Speaker 3: the first four are veterans, one from World War Two,
Speaker 3: one from Korea, one from Vietnam who actually turned into
Speaker 3: high school teachers or teachers in general, and I'll just
Speaker 3: give you a couple. One is a guy who was
Speaker 3: my eighth grade math teacher named Ron Herrick. You can
Speaker 3: look them up online if you want to, but you
Speaker 3: get the whole personal story right here. Ron Herrick was
Speaker 3: one of two twins, identical twins who came back from
Speaker 3: the Korean War. They'd lost their mother and father during
Speaker 3: the period of time they were deployed. They got back
Speaker 3: here nineteen fifties and their names were Ron, my teacher
Speaker 3: and Richard. Richard ends up with a fatal disease affecting
Speaker 3: his kidneys, and Ron, my math teacher, goes to Wellman
Speaker 3: Brigham and Women's right near you. There is where they
Speaker 3: were in the hospital, and he said, what's going to
Speaker 3: happen to my brother, Richard? And he said he's going
Speaker 3: to die in six weeks. And Ron said, why couldn't
Speaker 3: Never before in the history of mankind had anybody ever
Speaker 3: put an organ from one body into another body. And
Speaker 3: Ron said, he was a math teacher. He was very
Speaker 3: science oriented. He said, I got two kidneys, I only
Speaker 3: need one to live. Why couldn't I give one to
Speaker 3: my brother? And the doctor then at the time, doctor
Speaker 3: Murray said, can't be done I've never done before. Religious objections,
Speaker 3: it can't be done. That night, and I've talked with
Speaker 3: Ron and his wife, Cynthia, who just died. The doctor
Speaker 3: called him at home and said, you know, if this
Speaker 3: would ever work, it would work with identical twins. And
Speaker 3: so they did seventeen tests and one of them showed
Speaker 3: a skin graft held short, long and short of it.
Speaker 3: Ron gave his kidney to Richard. That stuck. Richard got married,
Speaker 3: had kid's. Life went well for both of them. First
Speaker 3: guy ever to give an organ to another person. Last year,
Speaker 3: I think we had three hundred thousand transplants. Bottom line is.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that must have been sometime in the early sixties.
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it.
Speaker 3: Was actually late fifties, but it was.
Speaker 2: It was that Yes, cutting edge, yep, yeah, cutting edge.
Speaker 2: But I think I've actually heard of him. A good
Speaker 2: friend of mine was the head of the cardiology department
Speaker 2: at brighamom Woman for many years, doctor Larry.
Speaker 3: Well incredibly.
Speaker 2: Larry.
Speaker 3: Oh Okay, I don't know him, but I will say
Speaker 3: it is a great hospital. Interestingly, that doctor, doctor Murray
Speaker 3: won the Nobel Prize for that operation. So imagine fifty
Speaker 3: six stories I'm close by chance. Of course, I worked
Speaker 3: every day with Colon Poll and they're very intimate personal
Speaker 3: stories about Powell's integrity and good cheer and leadership lessons.
Speaker 3: In this book, I've worked for twenty five years, three
Speaker 3: times a week with buzz Aldren. It's an accident of life,
Speaker 3: but I will there are stories in this book that
Speaker 3: he has never told before.
Speaker 2: All buzz Aldrin is a character I've never met Aldren.
Speaker 2: You know, I did want to mention to you Ronald
Speaker 2: Reagan is my favorite president of my lifetime.
Speaker 3: So I worked with Ronald Reagan and kept up with
Speaker 3: him and Nancy to the end. And if you love
Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan, this book is for you again. Cherish America.
Speaker 2: The first time I interviewed Ronald Reagan was here on WBZ.
Speaker 2: It was what was called the Interregnum. It was nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy five, the time between he had been Governor of
Speaker 2: California and President, and interviewed him, met him many times.
Speaker 2: I will tell you one quick story and then I'm
Speaker 2: going to let you go. Many people, I'm sure you
Speaker 2: remember that George Bush upset Ronald Reagan. He was the
Speaker 2: odds on favorite to be the Republican nominee in nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty and George Bush carried one Iowa the Iowa Caucus,
Speaker 2: which had a tremendous influence. He had, you know, the
Speaker 2: momentum and all of that. And I remember being with
Speaker 2: Reagan the night after that. He stopped a small little
Speaker 2: church or a little bit of little events somewhere in
Speaker 2: New Hampshire. So it would have been the Wednesday night
Speaker 2: after the Iowa Caucus in nineteen eighty, and he walked
Speaker 2: through the door and he looked totally dispirited, and I
Speaker 2: thought to myself, you know, come on, Jeffer, you gotta
Speaker 2: get up off the mat. And once the Claig lights
Speaker 2: went on, he became Deronald Reagan. And of course we
Speaker 2: know what happened to the debate. That's my microphone, mister Breen,
Speaker 2: and the rest of chistory. So I'm looking forward to
Speaker 2: getting this book, Robert. How far up is Wayne Maine?
Speaker 2: I'm familiar with all the I spent a lot of
Speaker 2: not a lot of time, but spent a good deal
Speaker 2: of time in me and I'm guessing you're kind of
Speaker 2: at least halfway up the state.
Speaker 3: I am a about twenty miles northwest of Augusta on
Speaker 3: Andrewskagin Lake and a beautiful place too. You know, I'll
Speaker 3: just if I may tell you a brief, quick story
Speaker 3: about Reagan, and you're absolutely right as you you know,
Speaker 3: he was a man. What you see is what you've got.
Speaker 3: He was incredibly authentic every day of the week. And
Speaker 3: I will never forget being and this story. There are
Speaker 3: number of stories, personal stories about Reagan, and I kept
Speaker 3: up with him afterwards and went and visited him. But anyway,
Speaker 3: one day we're in the Rose Garden and you'll remember
Speaker 3: Sam Donaldson not a very yeah, not a very not
Speaker 3: a fan of Ronald Reagan. And so we were standing
Speaker 3: there and Reagan was talking about cost cutting and Sam,
Speaker 3: you know, Donaldson, I think was with ABC, had gotten
Speaker 3: his story and he really kind of rudely dragged his
Speaker 3: cameraman out of the thing, and of course wanted to
Speaker 3: go get the scoop. We were out in the Rose Garden,
Speaker 3: all the other reporters are standing beside behind the court
Speaker 3: and being polite, and the thing ends and it was just,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm sorry to say it, but Sam Donaldson
Speaker 3: was just, you know, he's kind of like one of
Speaker 3: these modern reporters that do not respect the institution. And
Speaker 3: so anyway, he went out, ended up filing his story
Speaker 3: or whatever. And we're going back and Reagan was going
Speaker 3: back with me, sen Baker and Devers to the Oval,
Speaker 3: which is right beside the I mean that the oval,
Speaker 3: the Rose Garden isn't very big, so you know, the
Speaker 3: Oval is right beside. You can go through French stores
Speaker 3: into it. And Reagan stopped just and all of that.
Speaker 3: They're trying to hurry him back, and he looks down
Speaker 3: in the grass and he finds something. Well, I'm just
Speaker 3: a junior staffer, and I'm thinking, I mean, he was
Speaker 3: just curious, what if he finding in the grass. Whatever
Speaker 3: he found, he picked up and he walked into the
Speaker 3: press room. Now presidents don't just do that, but he did.
Speaker 3: He walked into the press room and I followed him.
Speaker 3: In those day and ages, you know, pre nine to eleven,
Speaker 3: you could do that. And I walk in and I'm
Speaker 3: following him. And he goes and find Sam Donaldson's camera. Man,
Speaker 3: this poor guy that's been dragged across the Rose Garden
Speaker 3: and he's and he hands him his lens cap and
Speaker 3: he says, you dropped your lens cap and I thought,
Speaker 3: you know kindness right true as Ronald.
Speaker 2: Reagan and uh, just a great that's a great story.
Speaker 2: I hate to do this to you, Robert. We should
Speaker 2: have a longer conversation some night if you get a chance.
Speaker 2: Uh google me. I don't know if you listen to
Speaker 2: my show at all.
Speaker 3: Well, look, I love being on w BZ. Listen. I
Speaker 3: grew up in Maine. I would like, you know, listen
Speaker 3: to Rico Petrocelli under my pillow on a on a
Speaker 3: on a radio was I listened to the Red Sox
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 2: Rico is a dear friend. And if something you and
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, uh, the Rico Petrocelli Hoyt Wilhelm story.
Speaker 2: I can't tell this one over the radio, but I
Speaker 2: love it. I love it. The book is Cherish America
Speaker 2: by Robert Charles, available everywhere. Robert, I really do appreciate.
Speaker 2: I'm going to suggest to my producer that we have
Speaker 2: you on and maybe we take some phone calls and
Speaker 2: an hour long version made in the next week.
Speaker 3: Yes, sir, all good, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Looking forward to it. When we do get back, we
Speaker 2: are going to talk with Nicole Yang Boston Globe sportswriter
Speaker 2: about the Patriots says they head into their bye week,
Speaker 2: they will not lose this weekend, folks, I guarantee you
Speaker 2: that you can take that one to the bank or
Speaker 2: to the bookie. Back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nights Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, we are delighted to be joined by Nicole Yang. Nicole,
Speaker 2: welcome back to Night's aid. How are you good?
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine. So the Patriots have a bye this weekend,
Speaker 2: which is I think well timed for a three to
Speaker 2: ten team. And you wrote an interesting piece in the Globe.
Speaker 2: It was updated on December Earlier this week on Monday,
Speaker 2: three up, Free down, and three to watch for the
Speaker 2: Patriots heading into the bye week. They've had some some
Speaker 2: nice games, but uh, they just don't seem to know
Speaker 2: how to finish. You watch these guys, Let's go through
Speaker 2: who you who you've identified. I think Drake May is
Speaker 2: the real deal. I'm I'm I'm obviously everyone else feels
Speaker 2: that same. I am delighted. You know, particularly how uh
Speaker 2: the prior quarterbacks for the Patriots had done. I see
Speaker 2: that Zappi just got released by the Browns, and who
Speaker 2: knows what's going on down and don in Jacksonville. This
Speaker 2: guy looks like the real deal.
Speaker 4: No. Absolutely. If there's one good thing to come out
Speaker 4: of this Patriots season, it's that it looks like they
Speaker 4: have their franchise quarterbacks. So I know there's a lot
Speaker 4: of questions about Elliott Wolf in the front office, but
Speaker 4: they definitely nailed their decision with the third overall pick,
Speaker 4: standing pat and taking Drake.
Speaker 2: Also, you you you identify Christian Gonzalez tough year last year,
Speaker 2: he got hurt early, but he's played very well this year. Quarterback.
Speaker 4: Yeah, last year he was on the field for four
Speaker 4: games and he did well, but he was still a
Speaker 4: rookie and I think it seems like people were maybe
Speaker 4: a little quick to anoint him as a lockdown, all
Speaker 4: pro level player. But this year he's definitely proven his
Speaker 4: value lived up to the first round bill Ing. So
Speaker 4: the defense has kind of struggled, but Christian has definitely
Speaker 4: pulled his weight.
Speaker 2: And you've got a couple of good, really good tight ends.
Speaker 2: Hunter Henry Austin Hooper. I don't know the comparative age
Speaker 2: and how much wear and tear on each of those
Speaker 2: big bodies, but at tight ends, it's a really critical
Speaker 2: position and they have two good ones. Do both of
Speaker 2: them stay with the Patriots next year.
Speaker 4: Austin Hooper is on a one year contract, so he
Speaker 4: will be an unrestricted free agent, but Hunter Henry is
Speaker 4: under contract for two more years, so he definitely seems
Speaker 4: to be a piece of the puzzle. Even with Max Jones,
Speaker 4: he was probably Max's favorite receiver. He's even though the
Speaker 4: team hasn't had much success, Hunter, I feel like, is
Speaker 4: probably the most important player relatively to the offense outside
Speaker 4: of the quarterback.
Speaker 2: How old is he is? He still in his twenties?
Speaker 4: He out of twenty nine or thirty, I can't remember
Speaker 4: off the top of my head.
Speaker 2: And then some players, some people who need to be
Speaker 2: a little concerned. I guess the receiver Polk who occasionally
Speaker 2: has looked pretty good this year, but he hasn't really
Speaker 2: been as consistent as I guess people would like to
Speaker 2: see what's his story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so he started off. His production wasn't there necessarily
Speaker 4: in any game, Like, he didn't have a breakout game,
Speaker 4: but he started off showing some promise. There were some
Speaker 4: catches that he made that You're like, Okay, you can
Speaker 4: kind of see the potential, But then he had that
Speaker 4: one game with four or five drops, and ever since then,
Speaker 4: it's just been downhill. His role has decreased, his playing
Speaker 4: time has decreased, and he just is not putting up
Speaker 4: statistical numbers that are impressive or that reflect the value
Speaker 4: of a second round wide receiver. So Drod Mayo mentioned
Speaker 4: that he might be dealing with some like a mental hump,
Speaker 4: but polk like pushed back and said that he wasn't.
Speaker 4: So it's definitely a tough situation, and I would be
Speaker 4: surprised if over the next four games we see much
Speaker 4: else from him, because it seems like the Patriots have
Speaker 4: drilled in on Kayshaun Boody to Mario Douglas and Kendrick
Speaker 4: Bourne as their top three receivers.
Speaker 2: It's tough to see them give up on a guy
Speaker 2: who I think has a lot of potential. And then
Speaker 2: there's got to be some concern for the defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: as well as the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: Actually, I think the offensive coordinator early on you could
Speaker 4: say that his job maybe seemed a little bit in jeopardy.
Speaker 4: But I think Alix fin Pelt has started to show
Speaker 4: that he's worth sticking around. I just don't think with
Speaker 4: a rookie quarterback and Drake, you want to have two
Speaker 4: coordinators in two years. If there's a coaching change with
Speaker 4: Girad Mao, then you're looking at maybe three coordinators in
Speaker 4: three years. So I think that they're going to prioritize consistency,
Speaker 4: and I think if you have to give someone credit
Speaker 4: for Drake's development and how he's come along, Alex Vanpelt
Speaker 4: definitely deserves some of that. And he's known for his
Speaker 4: reputation working with quarterbacks. He's worked with Aaron Rodgers, Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 4: so I actually am not that concerned about his status.
Speaker 4: Of course, of the play calling is a little bit
Speaker 4: head scratching sometimes, but overall, I think he's improved as
Speaker 4: the season has gone on. Whereas definitely the defense with
Speaker 4: DeMarcus Covington is a much bigger concern. The defense has
Speaker 4: regressed in nearly every category this year. I mean, they
Speaker 4: couldn't get that one stand against the Colts to win
Speaker 4: the game. You can point to a number of games
Speaker 4: this year against the Rams. Their strategy with containing Kuka
Speaker 4: Nakula and Cooper Cup was ineffective and they didn't adjust
Speaker 4: that halftime. Against the Jaguars, they let them run all
Speaker 4: over them, I think for one hundred and ninety three yards.
Speaker 4: So DeMarcus Covington. I would be much more concerned about defense.
Speaker 2: The defenseive corps was pretty good early in the season
Speaker 2: for the first few games of the season. They they
Speaker 2: I think, were as responsible as anything for the victory
Speaker 2: in Cincinnati. I hope they don't get rid of Gerrod Mayo.
Speaker 2: I think he's done a pretty good job. I know
Speaker 2: I'm in the minority on this. He's a great guy,
Speaker 2: and I think that if you at the beginning of
Speaker 2: the season said hey, this team might might win four games,
Speaker 2: everybody would have been happy with it. I know they've
Speaker 2: only won three, but they'll pick up one of these games.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, they may not beat Buffalo at
Speaker 2: either of those games, but I think they could beat
Speaker 2: Arizona or in my opinion, do you think Male's in trouble.
Speaker 2: It sounds to me like you do.
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think he's in trouble after
Speaker 4: this one year. It's a rookie head coach. Spectations were low,
Speaker 4: But if things don't really change, next year, I don't
Speaker 4: expect them to all of a sudden turn into a contender.
Speaker 4: I think this is a multi year rebuild. But there
Speaker 4: are definitely some issues that reflect coaching. I mean the
Speaker 4: number of penalties that they have, that's just the lack
Speaker 4: of discipline. And gerd is a defensive minded coach, and
Speaker 4: the defense has regressed. So I think if next year,
Speaker 4: if there's not some market improvement, then I would imagine
Speaker 4: that Gerrad is in the hot seat. But right now
Speaker 4: I do not. I would be shocked if the Patriots
Speaker 4: was from him after one season.
Speaker 2: Well, to quote Rick Patino, build, Belichick's not walking back
Speaker 2: through that door anytime soon. Nicole. Let's see what right?
Speaker 4: And I don't think the Patriots. The Patriots don't want that.
Speaker 2: I know, but I'm only joking with you a little bit. Okay,
Speaker 2: give me your prediction. They're three and ten, How did
Speaker 2: they finish? What's their final record going to be? I
Speaker 2: don't see them beating Buffalo in either game. I'm looking
Speaker 2: at maybe one in three in the last four games.
Speaker 2: Am I in too much of an optimist?
Speaker 4: I mean I would say yes, personally, I don't think
Speaker 4: that they've given us any reason to pick them over
Speaker 4: these next four games. Arizona, Buffalo, the LA Chargers all
Speaker 4: tough opponents. The three teams the Patriots have beaten our inferior. Like,
Speaker 4: they say more about the team that they beat, the Jets,
Speaker 4: the Bears than they do about the Patriots, in my opinion,
Speaker 4: the Bengals in Week one, So I don't think the
Speaker 4: Patriots have given us reason to pick them. I think
Speaker 4: if Buffalo isn't playing their starters for some reason, because
Speaker 4: they've already walked up their playoff seating and the winners
Speaker 4: on the table. But if it's starters versus starters, I
Speaker 4: would need to see a lot from the Patriots to
Speaker 4: feel comfortable.
Speaker 2: I thought last thing, I watched the two point conversion
Speaker 2: at the end of the game against Indianapolis, and I
Speaker 2: thought that was a great play. They called as soon
Speaker 2: as he face, you know, handing the ball off to
Speaker 2: Taylor going right, the entire linebacking corps slid slid left
Speaker 2: and just opened it up for the quarterback to walk
Speaker 2: into the end zone. So I just thought that was
Speaker 2: a well designed play. I didn't watch the entire game.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they had run that play earlier.
Speaker 2: I suspect they probably hadn't. That was when I guess
Speaker 2: they kept in their back pocket.
Speaker 4: Just in case the game was in the Patriots defense.
Speaker 4: It did look like Christian Barmore was held on that play,
Speaker 4: but oh yeah, this is like to criticize the Patriots.
Speaker 4: They probably should have never gone to that point because
Speaker 4: they had three fourth downs on that drive and an
Speaker 4: opportunity to stop them.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that you can call holding on
Speaker 2: every play that I've I've watching in an NFL game.
Speaker 2: Very really in my opinigure, Nicole, I love your enthusiasm
Speaker 2: and you're a great guest. So thanks for joining us
Speaker 2: tonight here on Night Side. And as I tell all
Speaker 2: my pals in the sports department at the Globe, you are.
Speaker 2: It's my favorite section. It's the one I go to
Speaker 2: after a while I finally get around to the to
Speaker 2: the editorial page, but at the Globe Sports News, one
Speaker 2: beats the Globe Sports page. So thanks so much and
Speaker 2: look forward to having you.
Speaker 4: Have a good name.
Speaker 2: We'll talk soon. Good night. All right, we get back
Speaker 2: with a little longer. We're going to go to the
Speaker 2: news and then we come back. We're going to talk
Speaker 2: about an arts foundation down in Cape Corn, as well
Speaker 2: as Boston's top restaurants, none of which I've ever eaten at,
Speaker 2: by the way, So that'll give you some idea about
Speaker 2: my my dining uh pattern. That's monsieur bag of Nightside.
Speaker 1: After this, you're on night Side with Dan Ray on
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Speaker 2: Delighted to welcome Katie Clancy to the program. Katie is
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Speaker 5: Oh my god. You know what. I did the same
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Speaker 2: It's ravs okay. I I had a little bit of
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Speaker 2: You are doing a big event. I think it's coming
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Speaker 2: Foundation of Cape Cod. The event is happening tomorrow between
Speaker 2: four and six o'clock in the afternoon or the early evening.
Speaker 2: And tell us about it, Katie.
Speaker 6: So this is we're having.
Speaker 5: So I'm a real estate agent. What am I doing?
Speaker 5: Having an art sale?
Speaker 6: So I'm a real estate agent. I list big properties
Speaker 6: on Cape Cod and I happen to have a client
Speaker 6: who is an art collector and we share a passion
Speaker 6: for the arts. And I'm a donor at the Arts
Speaker 6: Foundation of Cape Cod and I every Christmas I sponsored
Speaker 6: their annual small artwork sale, and you know, for this year,
Speaker 6: I have an actually last year as well. My clients
Speaker 6: let us host this event at their mansion on the Ocean,
Speaker 6: eight bedroom nineteen twenty seaside mansion. The place is unfreaking believable, Dan,
Speaker 6: It is just beautiful and they put their own artwork
Speaker 6: on their walls.
Speaker 5: But we're also.
Speaker 6: Bringing in well, the Arts Foundation is bringing in about
Speaker 6: sixty pieces of small, small pieces of arts that people
Speaker 6: can come and buy, and it all goes back into
Speaker 6: the Arts Foundation, where I'll tell you, everybody's looking for money, right,
Speaker 6: everybody's looking for your charity donations and this and that.
Speaker 6: And when people ask me for money, I get to
Speaker 6: know where it's going, right, Like, you know, whatever, I
Speaker 6: throw it all here there. So when I looked at
Speaker 6: the Arts Foundation and what they were doing, they are
Speaker 6: getting the money right into the hands of the local
Speaker 6: artists who create this beautiful stuff.
Speaker 5: It's not just sort of being spread out.
Speaker 6: Maybe it'll get allocated or get apply for a grant
Speaker 6: or do that? So what this or that they are
Speaker 6: actually giving it to these artists so that they can
Speaker 6: make it happen here in Cape Con.
Speaker 2: Well, you're a renaissance woman, then you're not only an
Speaker 2: entrepreneur in the real estate industry, but you also have
Speaker 2: an appreciation for heart. So this event is tomorrow. Is
Speaker 2: it open to the public or is it a ticketed
Speaker 2: event in invitation only?
Speaker 6: Tell us about I got to tell you, Dan, I
Speaker 6: wasn't going to take this interview because it.
Speaker 5: Is actually an invite only event. However, since I'm holding.
Speaker 6: The venue, I can put whoever I want on that list,
Speaker 6: So people would have to contact me and I'll give
Speaker 6: you my email when the time comes. So people, if
Speaker 6: you want to come and see these pieces of art
Speaker 6: in person, you reached out to me and I'll make
Speaker 6: sure that you get in. And otherwise I'm going to
Speaker 6: have the.
Speaker 2: Secret password, Katie. This night side, night.
Speaker 5: Side, that's it.
Speaker 2: That's it, just Nightside with Dan Ray. They'll get in.
Speaker 2: So let's give me your email, because we'll do it twice.
Speaker 2: Give me your email first and then we'll come back
Speaker 2: to it in a in a second just let me,
Speaker 2: let me leave the dance just for a moment.
Speaker 6: What's the email, Katie K A T I E at
Speaker 6: the Cape House. You got to be able to remember that.
Speaker 5: Dot com perfect.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's my daughter's name. She spells a differently c
Speaker 2: A t y. But I won't hold that against you.
Speaker 2: A T I E at the Cape House. Three words
Speaker 2: all merge together dot com. Okay, Now it's tomorrow, it's
Speaker 2: between four and six. What town is that on the Cape?
Speaker 6: So this is in Centerville. Yeah, it's in Centerville, and
Speaker 6: it is it is close to Hyannas. It's actually right
Speaker 6: over the border.
Speaker 5: From Osterville, right on the Centerville River. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's easy. Yeah, and people can come and if they
Speaker 2: maybe they'd like to buy a piece of art for
Speaker 2: it's not an auction. It's basically the pieces of art.
Speaker 2: Do you get a chance to sort of talk to
Speaker 2: the artist and and maybe ask them how much it's
Speaker 2: worth or is it is it a set price and
Speaker 2: there's no haggling going on or.
Speaker 5: No, it is technically an auction.
Speaker 6: So you're gonna you're gonna need to hang tight there.
Speaker 6: We've got to we've got a link. What that can
Speaker 6: share with your team. If people can't make it down
Speaker 6: here to the actual the CDs in person, you can
Speaker 6: bid online as well. But the great part about this,
Speaker 6: this is one of the things that I love about
Speaker 6: this particular charity is there. They're accessible. You don't need
Speaker 6: five thousand dollars to buy a piece of this art.
Speaker 6: They have pieces is low in the two hundreds up
Speaker 6: to one thousand dollars. These are not meant to be
Speaker 6: super expensive.
Speaker 2: What's the website for the auction for people who can't
Speaker 2: get there on the last minute notice? Here, give us
Speaker 2: the website.
Speaker 6: For the auction Artsfoundation dot org.
Speaker 2: Perfect, okay, So if you want to see the the
Speaker 2: in advance the artwork and maybe bid on it, just
Speaker 2: go to Artsfoundation dot org. No Cape Cod in there
Speaker 2: just Arts Foundation on one word dot org. And if
Speaker 2: you would like to attend the event tomorrow four to
Speaker 2: six at this beautiful Cape Cod Home h in Centerville,
Speaker 2: you just go to Again it's Katie K. A T.
Speaker 2: I E. At the Cape House Cape the Cape House
Speaker 2: dot com.
Speaker 5: Correct, that's right, Dan, What are you doing tomorrow night?
Speaker 2: Actually I work Monday through Friday. I'm off you know,
Speaker 2: from A to midnight, So I'm off tomorrow night to
Speaker 2: be committed to going to an event in Boston. So
Speaker 2: other than that, I was off. I know the Cape
Speaker 2: very well, Katie. I love the Cape. I spent four
Speaker 2: and a half months down there working remotely h from
Speaker 2: from the Cape, so I love the Cape. I'll see
Speaker 2: you on the Cap. I'll look you out. Thanks, thank you,
Speaker 2: thank you so much. All Right, we come back when
Speaker 2: we talk about Boston's top restaurants with Axios Boston reporter
Speaker 2: Mike Dian. I've never eaten any of these restaurants. I
Speaker 2: have a new list of restaurants to look at. We'll
Speaker 2: be back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.
Speaker 2: All Right, we are into the holiday season. A lot
Speaker 2: of people make traditions going out to find restaurants, and
Speaker 2: according to Open Table, they have listed one hundred best
Speaker 2: restaurants in the country, I believe, and Boston has eight
Speaker 2: of them. With us is Mike Dian. He's a reporter
Speaker 2: for Axios Boston. Mike Dian. Welcome to Nightside, sir.
Speaker 7: How are you hey, Dan? Good good be with you.
Speaker 7: How are you doing?
Speaker 2: Nice to talk to you. Very impressed by the folks
Speaker 2: with axios. So we have these eight restaurants. To be
Speaker 2: truthful with me, now, I don't even are of them.
Speaker 2: How many of these before? You probably have gone to
Speaker 2: a couple of Like in the last two nights, I
Speaker 2: walked by.
Speaker 7: Them, Dan, Yes, them sometimes. Yeah, the smells are free.
Speaker 7: It's like Arby's. I know, it's funny when you said
Speaker 7: before the break that you had better. I honestly I
Speaker 7: haven't been any of these either. I've tried to go
Speaker 7: to some of them. I think one of the key
Speaker 7: features here is because Open Table is of course the
Speaker 7: online reservation service, and that's how they're deriving these reviews.
Speaker 7: You book the table and then later on you give
Speaker 7: them review. All of these places in Boston have a
Speaker 7: four point nine or four point eight, pretty stellar reviews
Speaker 7: for the food, for the service, for the ambiance, et cetera.
Speaker 7: And we're dealing with, you know, either either you know,
Speaker 7: finer casual dining or really kind of elevated fine dining.
Speaker 7: But you're absolutely right, it's not everyday neighborhood places. They
Speaker 7: do some you know Cambridge downtown spots.
Speaker 2: You know, the great American philosopher I'm sure you've heard
Speaker 2: of him, Lawrence Peter Bearra. Yes, ge Barra, right, Lawrence
Speaker 2: Peter Barra is a philosopher, said, no wonder, no one
Speaker 2: comes here. It's too crowded. So exactly why you haven't
Speaker 2: been to any of those restaurants? You know, you were
Speaker 2: quick to pick that up as Lawrence Peter Barra. I
Speaker 2: mean a lot of people would say, who the hell
Speaker 2: is he talking about there, you know, because it sounds
Speaker 2: very erudite.
Speaker 7: Okay, so we got it.
Speaker 2: Looks like a couple of Greek restaurants. To the top four,
Speaker 2: two Italian restaurants and then the Silverdove afternoon Tea. Now,
Speaker 2: the silver dub is the one that I caught. I
Speaker 2: have never done afternoon tea. Okay, I have done afternoon
Speaker 2: course light on weekends, but never afternoon tea. Silver Dove
Speaker 2: forty eight dollars standard tea service is all the rage.
Speaker 2: But don't sleep in their classic food options. Sleep on
Speaker 2: the classic food options cucumber sandwiches. I've never had a
Speaker 2: cucumber sandwich. And you know what, I have never desired
Speaker 2: to have a cucumber sandwich. Have you had a cucumber sandwich?
Speaker 7: I don't think so. I don't know if I had
Speaker 7: any of their savory can.
Speaker 2: They like water Crest to me or something like that?
Speaker 7: It could it could be.
Speaker 2: I think it very much. I mean, how much tea
Speaker 2: can you drink for forty eight dollars exactly?
Speaker 7: I imagine it's quite a bit. I think this place,
Speaker 7: this is Downtown's right on the Freedom Trail. I think
Speaker 7: there's a lot of kind of you know, tourist traffic
Speaker 7: kind of going into this that day in Boston with
Speaker 7: the family. You might book, you know, a fancy afternoon
Speaker 7: tea that I don't think this is something that every
Speaker 7: day Bostonians are going to. But I'll tell you this.
Speaker 7: I worked right by there at the State House, and
Speaker 7: I walked by Silver Dove all the time. And they're
Speaker 7: still there, you know, whether they survived the pandemic, they're
Speaker 7: they're doing well.
Speaker 2: What maybe the forty eight dollars standard service is like
Speaker 2: for a family of six? Could that be possible? Do
Speaker 2: you think or do you think it's for a person
Speaker 2: in I.
Speaker 7: Don't really know the menu. It's a bit exactly what
Speaker 7: I've seen that it could. I think it very well
Speaker 7: might be per person. It's ninety minute reservations so I
Speaker 7: think it's a whole hour and a half kind of
Speaker 7: an endeavor. But yeah, it's it's definitely kind of a
Speaker 7: standout a lot of these other restaurants you know you mentioned,
Speaker 7: but the Greek and Italian places that that really is
Speaker 7: where a lot of the finer cuisine and what a
Speaker 7: lot of Boston's great chefs are focusing on these days,
Speaker 7: because you know, it's just it's so hard to get
Speaker 7: into a place like Crassy or Pam's and Cambridge to
Speaker 7: get a table.
Speaker 2: Yeah again, I none of them. I mean for me,
Speaker 2: like fine dining is Davio's, I.
Speaker 7: Mean, yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, the ninety nine is an
Speaker 7: unopened table.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Davis is good.
Speaker 2: I remember when Steve d. Filippo opened the original Davio's
Speaker 2: a Newbury Street. It was really a hole in the
Speaker 2: wall back in the nineteen eighties. Uh, And it has
Speaker 2: been good since since it started. You probably weren't born
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eight so you don't remember it, and
Speaker 2: it's now, you know, in different in different places. How's
Speaker 2: the Axios doing here in Boston? How you guys staffing up?
Speaker 2: I like Axios?
Speaker 7: Yeah, thank you, thanks for us. It's where lean mean,
Speaker 7: two person team right now. We put out a newsletter
Speaker 7: every day on just basically what you need to know
Speaker 7: to be an informed citizen in Boston. You know, it's
Speaker 7: pretty politics heavy. That's my background. I've been coming to
Speaker 7: the state House for fifteen years. But we dabble in
Speaker 7: all sorts of stuff, like you know, occasionally undying, occasionally
Speaker 7: on lifestyle arts, just stuff that you know, we think
Speaker 7: that the audience will find interesting. So I appreciate you
Speaker 7: reading there. Dan.
Speaker 2: Okay, Now I got to ask you a question. One
Speaker 2: of the stories earlier this week, I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was you.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: It talked about some woman named Zindaia.
Speaker 7: Yes last name, I honestly I forget. I think she
Speaker 7: shares a last name with her mother. And this is
Speaker 7: the story is of course the Channel five, and they
Speaker 7: didn't and so yeah, she's kind of she's a mononym, right,
Speaker 7: She's like a madonna. She's she's famous enough to have
Speaker 7: the one name. It is her first name.
Speaker 2: All of these people with the one name. I'm telling
Speaker 2: you the truth, Mike, I know who share is. I
Speaker 2: actually met Sonny Bono when he was still alive. He
Speaker 2: was a congressman. Actually you might remember from California. Yep.
Speaker 2: I never met Elvis, but he sounded like a great
Speaker 2: party guy. Uh so we know who el Elvis was.
Speaker 2: But when I saw when I when when I saw
Speaker 2: that Zindaia was in town, I got all excited, and
Speaker 2: then I realized I had never heard of her. What.
Speaker 7: Well, she's an actress. She's been in movies and TV shows.
Speaker 7: She's on Euphoria, I Belie on HBO, huge hit. So
Speaker 7: it might be in the kind of ask your grandkid category,
Speaker 7: but I can assure you she's she's pretty famous and
Speaker 7: as as viral as that Channel five clip was with
Speaker 7: people kind of openly mocking they didn't know who she was.
Speaker 7: But yeah, she's been around, She's in Marvel movies. She's
Speaker 7: a big deal.
Speaker 2: My great my grandson Benjamin is two and a half
Speaker 2: years old. I'm going to have to ask him who's
Speaker 2: entire is and I'll try I will try to find out. Hey, Mike,
Speaker 2: you got a great sense of humor. I want you
Speaker 2: back more often here, So please listen more to Night's Side,
Speaker 2: and we'll get you in some night and we can
Speaker 2: do something more serious on politics. Whatever you want. My
Speaker 2: friend Okay, I'm sure I want style. Are you a
Speaker 2: Boston guy? So sure, well that's a Boston guy. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 7: People come out here from like well, well, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I've been living in Dorchester fifteen years. I say I'm
Speaker 7: from Dorchester and that won't go over too well.
Speaker 2: Guess what you know most people from Rochester to South Shore.
Speaker 2: You did the reverence here, Mike Dian of Axios Bosston.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed this conversation and I thank you for joining us,
Speaker 2: and we'll look forward to our next chat. Okay, thanks Mike.
Speaker 2: All right, really he was a fun guy. Okay, we
Speaker 2: come back. We're going to talk with the Order of
Speaker 2: the Comalta Massachusetts. Diana's auglio. She is fighting the state
Speaker 2: House and we need help her. She is she's I
Speaker 2: think she's the breath of fresh air that this commonwealth needs.
Speaker 2: Diane is ugly a state Ordit are coming up. Where
Speaker 2: do you hear what they're trying to do? The fast
Speaker 2: one that the legislatures trying to pull. We're not going
Speaker 2: to let it happen back on nights out after this