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PW torch dot com slash Go VIP 26 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:25.840 go all the Way, Go VIP, PW torch dot com, 27 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:27.120 slash Go VIP. 28 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:36.519 Now. 29 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:40.359 PW Torch and Speaker bring you the Wade Keller Pro 30 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:44.040 Wrestling post show. It's time to talk this week's WWE 31 00:01:44.159 --> 00:01:50.840 Friday Night SmackDown Albier. I think see them Punk and 32 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:55.239 Cody Rohads showed how you can build up a match 33 00:01:55.280 --> 00:02:02.640 between two people who are longtime friends, do so respectfully. 34 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:06.079 We can parse some of the words in actions and 35 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:09.080 still make people think that this is going to be 36 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:13.599 an intense fight that you want to see. Something missing 37 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:16.120 from some of the other builds, including in the lead 38 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:17.680 up to WrestleMania with Punk and Roll. But it's just 39 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:21.680 to focus on the championship. I like Punk going. I 40 00:02:21.719 --> 00:02:24.080 want to find out who the better wrestler is and 41 00:02:24.159 --> 00:02:26.120 I want to be champion, and Cody wants to be Champion. 42 00:02:26.479 --> 00:02:28.840 I mean, I just don't think you should ever stray 43 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:30.960 from that. I mean that's a bold statement. There's times 44 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:32.400 you want to stray from it. I mean there might 45 00:02:32.439 --> 00:02:34.680 be a circumstance, but as a rule, that should be 46 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:37.879 the centerpiece of any build to a main event match 47 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:41.960 in a stadium, big pro wrestling event with two big 48 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:45.680 stars fighting, especially for the number one prize. As Test 49 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:46.960 the Tour said at the end of the show, Joe 50 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:49.719 Test Tour, So I like this. I think they've done 51 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:53.479 good work. I didn't think they seemed desperate. They didn't 52 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:56.560 come across as as flailing trying to come up with 53 00:02:56.599 --> 00:03:01.319 some sort of internet buzz or social media controversy. They 54 00:03:01.439 --> 00:03:04.159 just told a story that feels like it could exist 55 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.319 in a real WWE world. So it worked for me. 56 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:08.599 I'm curious to know what you thought. 57 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:13.759 Yeah, I mean it didn't. I like to find enough. 58 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:16.919 I just want it, just want to point say something. 59 00:03:17.080 --> 00:03:20.360 I basically binged everything from Night of Champions over the 60 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:22.560 last two days. Yeah, so I've got a lot of 61 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:23.560 fresh my head. 62 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:26.199 I was gonna say after we talked in the a 63 00:03:26.280 --> 00:03:28.120 Black Hair, I'm like eager to talk to you because 64 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:30.120 I know you you were behind and had to catch up, 65 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:32.719 So you were going to turn this into out just 66 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:34.800 a review of some key things on smack Own, but 67 00:03:34.840 --> 00:03:37.639 also bigger picture about the overall hype for the weekend 68 00:03:37.639 --> 00:03:39.599 for Summer Slam. So everyone stay tuned for basically a 69 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:40.960 Summer Slam previews special here. 70 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:44.800 And the reason I bring that up is because I 71 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:48.360 think it was in the last SmackDown promo Cody did 72 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:51.319 try to or to agouh. Cody did try to turn 73 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:53.400 it into something else by saying that, oh, you know, 74 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:56.120 I followed this thing and there's and I hate to 75 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:58.360 give him credit, there was a great line by punkin 76 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:01.439 that where he said, you don't have to complicate things. 77 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:04.080 It just needs to be about It could just be 78 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:07.439 about the belt. So you know, so so that that 79 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:11.520 that did happen. I mean the stuff I don't like 80 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:15.520 and it is just that the stupid, you know, convenient 81 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:18.759 I hit them with the belt accidentally and that kind 82 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:20.920 of stuff. But whatever that that that is what it. 83 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:23.839 You know, it's I'll take that over some other stuff. 84 00:04:23.839 --> 00:04:26.920 So but overall, yeah, I mean it's just you know, 85 00:04:26.959 --> 00:04:30.279 they're they're they're they played up the whole friendship thing 86 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:34.839 that they get along together, and things has been you know, percolating, 87 00:04:34.959 --> 00:04:38.040 and now the lid's off and you know they're they're 88 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:40.720 off of the races. So yeah, I'm interested. I'm definitely 89 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:44.120 interested in the match despite it being involving Punk. But yeah, 90 00:04:44.519 --> 00:04:47.040 I'm kidding. I'll lay off on that for a little bit. 91 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:50.839 One thing that I like about this angle and and 92 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:57.560 the build might sound an counterintuitive or or I know 93 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:59.160 there's a good there's a good phrase that's not coming 94 00:04:59.199 --> 00:05:03.680 to mind selfless, I'll say. So they didn't give us 95 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:06.120 a lot to talk about that I can like be 96 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:09.160 critical of, Like they didn't do anything. I'm like, what 97 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:11.279 are they thinking? Or stop doing this? It's just it's 98 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:14.040 kind of what I like what I said. I wanted 99 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:16.680 Roman and Punk to be more. You can be respectful, 100 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:18.680 you can be grown ups. You don't have to be petty, 101 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.000 you don't have to be dicks to each other. But 102 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:23.519 you can also sell a match based on the championship 103 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:26.680 mattering rival a rival read to find out who the 104 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:30.800 best is. Give us a genuine belief that you want 105 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:32.639 that you think you're better or you're not sure and 106 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:36.199 you want to find out. And I like the growing 107 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:38.519 up approach that these two men in their forties had 108 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:44.240 to this, which is will be friends afterwards? Maybe? And 109 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:46.040 I love Punk's line it's up to you, Cody for 110 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:47.959 friends after this implying I'm gonna beat you, so can 111 00:05:47.959 --> 00:05:50.720 you be friends with me afterwards? I love the line 112 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:52.319 of Cody saying, you said you came here not to 113 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.519 make friends, to make money, and Punk goes, ah, you know, 114 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:59.240 the keyword is make friends, the implication being I don't 115 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:01.040 want to lose friends that I had. I just didn't 116 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:05.199 come here to make new friends. So there's some clever 117 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:07.959 lines in there, but the cadence, the pace, the delivery, 118 00:06:08.519 --> 00:06:14.560 it all felt like two stars who are confident and hungry, 119 00:06:14.680 --> 00:06:22.759 still talking to each other respectfully but intensely. By the way, 120 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:25.600 when Cody said there's a word bothering me, and he 121 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:27.800 said the word is tomorrow, what went through your mind 122 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:30.560 heavier before he went on beyond that, anything come to mind? 123 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:32.160 Not immediately. 124 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:35.920 I don't don't know that. I just want to know 125 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:38.040 if you had the same thought idea. I wasn't just yes, 126 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:40.560 I'm not being I'm just say it was yesterday because 127 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:42.000 I want to hit this point. I was curious if 128 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:44.040 everyone had my thought, I thought, and I'm kind of 129 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.160 relieved he didn't. I thought he's gonna say, my problem 130 00:06:46.199 --> 00:06:50.120 is it's tomorrow, not Sunday. This we should be closing 131 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:52.879 the weekend. This is a top title. And I thought 132 00:06:52.879 --> 00:06:54.839 he's going to go into politics about Rome. And I 133 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:57.279 was like, no, don't do that because and again I 134 00:06:57.319 --> 00:06:58.720 don't know if anyone else got that. That's why I 135 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:00.319 wanted to find out if it was like obvious and 136 00:07:00.360 --> 00:07:02.000 everyone was thinking that, or maybe just me and a 137 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:04.600 few others and I like that it Instead it was like, no, 138 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:06.000 I want to I want to say, what are we 139 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:08.920 gonna do tonight not tomorrow. In my point in bringing 140 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:11.399 that up up here is they didn't stray like there was. 141 00:07:11.560 --> 00:07:13.079 I thought maybe that would be a time when they 142 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:15.319 get into politics other than you know, Punk said, you 143 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:18.399 know you're Sammy talks like a starter, but he's a 144 00:07:18.399 --> 00:07:21.720 bench player. Thought that was a good line defending the 145 00:07:21.759 --> 00:07:23.759 same four people headlining. I don't know if you had 146 00:07:23.800 --> 00:07:25.000 to go there, but I get it. It's fine that 147 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:26.399 something Punk's character would say. 148 00:07:26.759 --> 00:07:29.680 So, and that was actually a point of talk a 149 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:32.120 couple of weeks where Priest was the one complaining about that, 150 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:33.600 so he was talking about that. 151 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:35.639 It was a yeah, exactly was he talked to Sammy's 152 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:38.879 complaining backstage priest has these things to say. I like 153 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:40.639 this stuff with Trick earlier because it kind of played 154 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:42.800 up the possibly you know what's gonna happen. You know, 155 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:46.399 they're they're basically telling get having you as a viewer. 156 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:51.639 Imagine like looking past the Summer Slam match but imagining, oh, 157 00:07:51.639 --> 00:07:54.800 do I want to see Trick against Cody or Trick 158 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:57.000 against Punk? Do I want to see Sammy against Cody 159 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.600 or Samy against Punk? Sammy covered both bases. Aaron Corbyn 160 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:03.160 you know or excuse me, Damian Preesier's name in the mix. 161 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:05.199 Baron Corben's kind of floating out there as a new guy. 162 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:06.600 I don't think. I don't know. I mean, if they 163 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:09.160 can move him to the top. So there were a 164 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.079 lot of elements I liked about this. None of them 165 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:16.600 were like desperate or hack or it just came across 166 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:20.040 like I'm Cody, I'm Punk. We haven't had a big 167 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:22.839 singles match. This is for the number one title. We're 168 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.639 in a stadium show. Let's let's just talk with confidence 169 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:28.040 and go figure out who's better. I mean, I want 170 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:30.839 that to be enough. It should be enough, and the 171 00:08:30.839 --> 00:08:32.639 way to make it enough is to not always be 172 00:08:32.679 --> 00:08:35.600 desperately flailing to make it about something else. So I 173 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:36.799 I like this. 174 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:43.279 Yeah, the overall I think it's been a positive thing. 175 00:08:43.440 --> 00:08:45.320 I'll have stuff to say about the Roman Rain stuff too, 176 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:52.600 but over overall it's been uh the like again the 177 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:55.480 one if I'm because I like playing the devil's advocate, 178 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:57.279 the other side of the of the equation. If there 179 00:08:57.279 --> 00:08:59.000 are a couple of things the things have been like 180 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:01.559 was some of the petty, particularly the you know, the 181 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:04.320 the reaches back because they showed the tape of him 182 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.480 you know, uh yeah yeah hitting him in the face 183 00:09:07.559 --> 00:09:12.360 and all that stuff, you know, went into obviously scripted, 184 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:14.000 you know, so that that's the kind of stuff I 185 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:18.440 didn't like. The one thing that I have it was 186 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:20.320 a segment where I had a love hate relationship with 187 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:23.240 the whole thing was when Cody was trying to make 188 00:09:23.240 --> 00:09:25.799 it personal. He was saying again a couple of days ago, 189 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:29.879 he was saying that he followed Punk what you know, 190 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:32.039 that he was following the pipe bomb promo that Punk 191 00:09:32.120 --> 00:09:34.159 laid out, and then that's what he decided to do. 192 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:38.799 And I thought that was the most Cody thing to say, 193 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:41.039 and the most Punk thing because Punk was like agreeing 194 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:45.080 with him throughout the entire thing, because Cody was following, 195 00:09:45.440 --> 00:09:50.399 not following Punk's pipe bomb. He was following Drew galloway 196 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:53.799 draw bag and tire that he was following in his footstet, 197 00:09:53.840 --> 00:09:55.159 which is what I was hoping that they would make 198 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:58.080 that feud about. And they basically took what they had 199 00:09:58.200 --> 00:10:01.080 on that feud and kind of to like forced it 200 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:04.360 into this one, which was like, which was great, because 201 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:06.639 that's what you want to you know, create, you know, Oh, 202 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:09.600 there's there's backstory to this, there's more deepness to this. 203 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:11.440 But I just I was listening to a promo when 204 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:13.600 I was like laughing because I'm like, this is what 205 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:16.879 they could they should have done with the Drew McIntyre stuff, 206 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:20.399 and it's and like, I'm kind of hoping that whatever 207 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:22.960 the next step. I mean, granted Drew macintar has wrestle 208 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:25.600 both of these two like to death by now that 209 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:28.240 when he comes back that he picks up on that. 210 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:31.159 Because I just found it hilarious how like they basically 211 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.679 took somebody else's story and applied it to this The 212 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.159 other complaint I had is when you start talking about 213 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:41.440 some of the stuff like when Drew sorry Drew, when 214 00:10:41.480 --> 00:10:43.200 priests talked about you know, oh, I'm tired of the 215 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:47.919 same people, uh being at the top, and you don't 216 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:52.279 want to that's already something that the hardcore fans are 217 00:10:52.279 --> 00:10:55.799 talking about. You don't want to make it like an 218 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:59.919 obvious thing because you're you're essentially drawing an attention to 219 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:02.600 something you don't need to draw attention to. You know, 220 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:04.519 it's like, you know, talking about a rest of us too, 221 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:06.120 you know, oh you're too old or that kind of thing, 222 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:09.200 unless that's part of the story. But you know that's 223 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:11.600 those Those were the the miss I think they had, 224 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:13.960 but those are minor compared to some other stuff we'll 225 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:18.000 probably talk about. So but that, you know, it is 226 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.960 probably the I would say, it's the second match I'm 227 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:23.759 most interested in, uh this coming SummerSlam. 228 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.759 What's number one? And then we'll just finish its short 229 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:30.080 answer well, Ben Brock, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what 230 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:33.559 I assume. But yeah, we'll get to that. Okay, So 231 00:11:33.879 --> 00:11:38.879 you mentioned, uh the line from Cody saying I did 232 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:43.080 what I I executed what people wanted you to do. 233 00:11:43.159 --> 00:11:45.360 Punk and when you did the pipe one promo. I 234 00:11:45.720 --> 00:11:48.440 love that. I mean, because it's true, you know, I mean, 235 00:11:48.559 --> 00:11:51.240 Cody had his checklist with his manicured fingers, with a 236 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:54.039 designer pen on a paper with very good penmanship. I remember, 237 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:57.519 you know, putting on social media. Here's my checklist, you know, check, 238 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:59.039 check check. He did all of it. He didn't say 239 00:11:59.039 --> 00:12:00.840 start a new national company a little Aaron tbs so 240 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.559 Tony Shavannie announcing again. But you know, he laid out 241 00:12:03.559 --> 00:12:05.720 a lot of it. But for Cody to admit in 242 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:07.639 the whole time, because Cody has a little bit of 243 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:10.960 imposter syndrome with his dad being super charismatic and you know, 244 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:13.000 better in almost every way than him in his own 245 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:16.480 mind and in certain in certain categories, Dust he was 246 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.799 more charismatic and all that, but and then got more 247 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:22.519 intense crowd reactions. It was more bill up by the 248 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:25.120 fans until he overstays welcome and whatever. That's a whole 249 00:12:25.159 --> 00:12:29.600 other story that WI doesn't talk about. But for Cody 250 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:32.639 to admit, like, yeah, I was kind of doing something that, 251 00:12:32.840 --> 00:12:34.960 but the whole way, people would have rather had Punk 252 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.000 doing it, starting a company and being the anti Evince, 253 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:40.960 the anti w B and all that. I thought that 254 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:43.960 was like an admit, a pretty interesting admission. So we 255 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:45.720 bragg going I did what you said you were gonna do. 256 00:12:45.759 --> 00:12:47.720 You said at home was the implication, or you went 257 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:50.600 and dabbled in MMA went to Blackhawks game, and I 258 00:12:50.600 --> 00:12:52.000 went out and did it. But I always felt the 259 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:53.879 fans would rather have it be you. I think when 260 00:12:53.919 --> 00:12:57.120 Cody says that, I think it's softens and he pushed 261 00:12:57.120 --> 00:12:59.240 back against him or booze from people who want to 262 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:01.799 side with Punk over him, because people go, well, I 263 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:03.759 have to boot Cody to let people know I'd rather 264 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:06.159 Punk be on top this whole time, and he's my hero. 265 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:09.200 If Cody sort of acknowledges and seems vulnerable and little 266 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:12.080 insecure and doesn't have a big ego, he doesn't seem delusional, 267 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:16.080 I think it softens any pushback against Cody Bipunk fans, 268 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:20.440 which you can say isn't great in one respect because 269 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.279 we didn't get notice tonight. We didn't get let's go Cody, 270 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:27.440 CM Punk, Let's go. We don't have strong crowd reactions 271 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:30.440 right now. We'll get stronger crowd reactions in the mid card. 272 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:33.559 Frost in Theory and Maxine against otis like, that's getting 273 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:35.600 more heat than some of this other stuff because I 274 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:37.960 think fans are just kind of burned out on you know, 275 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:40.080 the ambiguity leading to ambivalence in terms of whom am 276 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:41.320 I supposed to cheer for and who got that in 277 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:45.320 that take team thing too earlier tonight. But that said, 278 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:49.720 I would still vote for it because I think Cody 279 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:52.120 as a character, it builds him up to seem self 280 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:54.519 aware because one of his weaknesses is he not self aware. 281 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:57.120 That showed his self awareness and a callback, and I 282 00:13:57.159 --> 00:14:00.480 thought it tied together their legacies, you know, where Cody 283 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:02.200 did what Punk said he was going to do, but 284 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:04.200 he was out. He always felt it fans would rather 285 00:14:04.240 --> 00:14:07.840 it be Punk. It talks like that made this match 286 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:12.080 to me feel bigger because they both were renegades and 287 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:15.120 independent figures who took different paths to get to this 288 00:14:15.200 --> 00:14:17.799 moment in twenty twenty six. That's my case for that. 289 00:14:18.840 --> 00:14:21.200 Yeah, yeah, no, no, I I agree, It's it's just 290 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:24.600 that I just found it funny where it's a more 291 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.559 maps to the to the because he gave he gave 292 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:30.559 you an interview, right Drew Galloway while he was planning 293 00:14:30.679 --> 00:14:31.559 doing too. 294 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:33.840 Yeah, yeah, when he left when he when he left 295 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:36.279 O Toby and was either in TEENA or going to TNA. 296 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:38.080 Yeah yeah. And and that's the thing because like that, 297 00:14:38.159 --> 00:14:39.720 that's one of the that's one of the earlier PW 298 00:14:39.840 --> 00:14:42.559 torch stuff I remember. So it's why it struck me 299 00:14:42.679 --> 00:14:46.320 so hard. And and throughout the Cody's entire like time 300 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:49.080 in the Indies, I saw he was basically hitting the 301 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:52.159 same place as that that dramaguitar was. You know, he 302 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:55.200 went through TNA just quick quick, yeah. 303 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:55.720 Yeah. 304 00:14:55.759 --> 00:14:57.399 So so that that's why I foind you know, it 305 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:02.159 still stands true that that that you know, that the 306 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:05.440 fact that you know he's he's he's rebelling against the 307 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:07.919 he was rebelling against the machine with the whole you know, 308 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:10.919 throne that he you know, Triple H and Vince McMahon, 309 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:12.840 the more than one row of family. All that stuff 310 00:15:12.879 --> 00:15:15.240 is also baked in too, uh you know. But but 311 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:17.039 I enjoyed that. The other thing I liked about it 312 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.039 was how he said that he's tired of apologizing for 313 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:21.919 being the top guy. That was the other thing I 314 00:15:22.039 --> 00:15:24.399 liked throughout the whole thing, that that he's done too. 315 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:29.720 So yep, yep, Okay, let's uh, let's pause and introduce 316 00:15:29.759 --> 00:15:33.720 ourselves quickly here. Then we will uh throw some comments 317 00:15:33.759 --> 00:15:36.679 from the chat up on the screen and respond to 318 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:40.399 him Javier about Pumpkin Cody in particular. Then we'll also 319 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:45.159 up open up the the color lines. You're welcome to 320 00:15:45.279 --> 00:15:47.960 join the show. Derella's on hold already. 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I had to wait for the results of Julia 415 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:11.759 and Last Legend because I had that was gonna play 416 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:13.759 into what my analysis that was. 417 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:19.319 Yeah, I wasn't surprised by the outcome, but it confirmed, 418 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:21.559 you know, whatever's going on with Julia is not a 419 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:23.480 rocket being strapped tour like. 420 00:20:24.759 --> 00:20:26.559 Yeah, yeah, pretty, I was pretty sure it was gonna 421 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:28.920 be lash, but I didn't want to. Like you guess, 422 00:20:29.799 --> 00:20:31.799 the surprising part was the fact how you cheat. It 423 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:33.319 was just a squash basically. 424 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:37.119 That's the thing. Yeah, Julia's basically become a jobber at 425 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:41.359 this point. Yeah, all right. Derek Mitchell in the chat 426 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.480 says it would be great if the title remained the 427 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:47.240 true centerpiece of the show. Cody emphasized that the Championship 428 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:48.960 is a crown jewel, the King's crown, and it should 429 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:52.039 always be the primary focus. And I mean again, that's 430 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:54.839 you know, Philip, there are things that work to help 431 00:20:55.079 --> 00:20:57.799 increase interest in a show or a match that you're promoting, 432 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:01.839 but there are foundational things things that that are important 433 00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:04.880 also that paid dividends later. And I think part of 434 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:07.240 what Punk and Cody did here wasn't just sell their match, 435 00:21:07.759 --> 00:21:10.799 but it was selling the importance of the championship and 436 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:13.119 selling the notion that this is a competition to try 437 00:21:13.119 --> 00:21:14.960 to win a match. It's not a competition to see 438 00:21:15.039 --> 00:21:16.680 who can get the most social media buzz or have 439 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:20.000 the most most views of clips that that are that 440 00:21:20.119 --> 00:21:23.640 are propagated all over social media, or you know, create 441 00:21:23.720 --> 00:21:26.480 outrage or oohs and ohs. I can't believe they went there, 442 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:28.440 you know, Grayson Waller on Tuesday, that kind of thing. 443 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:31.759 This just straightforward that you can drop this promo, you know, 444 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:35.279 pretty close to this versus promo in any era of 445 00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:38.400 UH you know, two veterans fighting for a championship and 446 00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:40.039 it would work. And and I and I and I 447 00:21:40.200 --> 00:21:42.720 like that because I think wrestling as straight from that 448 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:46.000 for dopamine rushes that are ephemeral and don't add up 449 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:48.240 to selling tickets. And this was this was moren track 450 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:54.920 of your's nothing to say to that. Yeah, I didn't know. 451 00:21:55.000 --> 00:21:57.000 That's fine. I was looking for the next UH chat 452 00:21:57.039 --> 00:21:59.440 comment to UH to to throw up after that. 453 00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:02.880 I not and I realize that's not good for podcasting. 454 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:05.119 It's not good for podcasting. Plus, I wasn't looking at you. 455 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:07.359 I was looking at the UH at the live chat, 456 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.000 so I didn't even see you. Not so, But if 457 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:11.880 you want to just do sign language and and and not, 458 00:22:12.119 --> 00:22:14.160 I mean I can I can carry it and interpret 459 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:16.839 for you, all right. 460 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:17.440 Uh. 461 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:21.039 Stan Aviation says, By the way, I'll still push back 462 00:22:21.079 --> 00:22:23.200 on what you said, Wade. What's the what's foundational about 463 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:26.440 focusing on two world titles? Well, there is that although 464 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:30.119 you know, Carrie van Eric there's only one world to show, 465 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:31.759 will be one World Champion and the lead up to 466 00:22:31.759 --> 00:22:33.960 Super Clash a w A SuperClash three. But when he 467 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.200 and Jerry Lawler are gonna merge, the merge their titles 468 00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:39.960 to champs. The champ matches go way back. But having 469 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:43.400 two championships, two top men singles titles in the same 470 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:46.960 promotion when you don't have a super strong division between 471 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:51.759 brands is still ick, you know. I mean, when when 472 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:53.480 you're doing a house she'll circuit trying to cell tickets, 473 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:55.079 and that's a big part of your revenue. You know, 474 00:22:55.160 --> 00:22:56.759 there's an argument to say, you know, we just want 475 00:22:56.799 --> 00:22:58.119 to have a world title match on each of those 476 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:01.400 if you're doing brands separate PL's or pay per views, 477 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:03.960 even though we don't want that, there's a rational built 478 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:06.039 into it to have a world champ to headline each 479 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:09.400 of those shows. But yeah, ultimately having a singular champion 480 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:14.200 has massive benefits that they're missing out on. Let's put 481 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:16.799 it that way, all right. Some of the comments on 482 00:23:16.839 --> 00:23:20.400 that closing segment paper standard Deviation says, I'm up to 483 00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:22.400 just before the main event and so far Punk's closing 484 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:24.359 the line against Trick has been the only highlight of 485 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:26.200 the night for me. It's about time someone made sense 486 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:29.160 of Trick's catchphrase. This plays in tab or what we 487 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:32.519 said earlier that I liked. They didn't just focus on 488 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:34.519 like everyone going I can't wait to face you Punk Orf, 489 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:36.079 you Bee Cody or you know. It didn't give away 490 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:40.720 to finish, but the note the having different challengers talking 491 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:43.720 about wanting to face the winner. This makes this match 492 00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:46.640 feel more important because you realize there's all these challengers 493 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:48.480 lined up and you know, punks like I want to 494 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:50.680 face somebody or co I want to face somebody fresh, 495 00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:55.160 I want to face new talent, And it makes you realize, Wow, 496 00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.720 the stakes are big because it's the winner of this 497 00:23:58.039 --> 00:24:03.839 match is the veteran babyface champion who has proven he's better. 498 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:05.480 And this is what they're selling. Who knows there could 499 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:07.240 be converse and finished and they do six rematches for 500 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:09.400 six months, But the story they're telling is the winner 501 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:12.200 of this match goes out to face this lineup of challengers, 502 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:13.880 some new names and some names from the past. 503 00:24:15.119 --> 00:24:17.240 Yeah, some people trying to skip in line like goodser. 504 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:23.000 Yes, yep, all right, m stand aviation adds, I go 505 00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:24.880 into every big Cody match expecting him to turn here 506 00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:26.200 this time he lost clean to a Heil and the 507 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:29.000 lead up Sammy, which traditionally suggests he's about to turn 508 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:31.799 any any day now. Yep, any day now, jave Er, 509 00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:35.079 what's your what's your inclination in terms of Cody turning Hill? 510 00:24:35.079 --> 00:24:36.599 I've been saying for years. I don't think he's turning hill. 511 00:24:36.640 --> 00:24:38.920 Don't think he should turn hell. I don't think a 512 00:24:39.000 --> 00:24:41.480 few fans booing him because he's been booked against very 513 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:45.839 popular heel opponents or other baby faces, Well, Cody pats 514 00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:47.799 him on the head and says, hey, kid, someday you 515 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:50.680 might be a worthy draw. And as I always say, 516 00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:53.759 Cody's drawing more crowds over twenty thousand than Johnson ever did. 517 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:57.119 And it's like it's so patronizing and oblivious and insulting 518 00:24:57.599 --> 00:24:59.759 all that worked against Cot and then Rock patting Cody 519 00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:02.359 on there too, Like all this patronizing stuff to Cody 520 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:05.079 that didn't treat him as QB one, you know, and 521 00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:08.160 and the Alpha has undercut him. Let him just have 522 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:10.279 a run of being a baby face being Cody, Like, no, 523 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:14.079 there's no rush, and tonight I mean the crowd was 524 00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:16.599 more into Punk, but they didn't boo Cody either a 525 00:25:16.599 --> 00:25:19.160 few scattered booths or more cheers. They chanted Cody. Then 526 00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:21.200 there was a Punk chance. It was a little louder 527 00:25:21.240 --> 00:25:24.000 than Cody. But you know, I mean they're in Green Bay, 528 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:26.000 it's sort of near Chicago. I don't know. I mean, 529 00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:27.839 I'm not I just don't think there's any rush. And 530 00:25:27.920 --> 00:25:29.799 I think people have read into things that were not 531 00:25:30.079 --> 00:25:32.559 Cody on the verge Attorney, what do you think of her? 532 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:33.160 That? 533 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:35.160 That's what I was actually think. That was one of 534 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:37.319 my big thoughts to take aways from tonight. I was 535 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:39.720 listening for the reaction on the two of them front 536 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:41.759 of the crowd, right before you're about to go. 537 00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:44.799 I think they're curious to go home. 538 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:49.079 Yeah, and so so the crowd saying to one hundred 539 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:52.480 percent behind Punk, I would say like seventy five twenty 540 00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:55.720 five with Cody, which was you know, because my biggest 541 00:25:55.799 --> 00:25:59.680 was Punk. Yeah, well it was under the car was 542 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:02.599 under with Punk. But then there were you know, when 543 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:04.920 when Punk was talking, there were pretty muche hundred percent years. 544 00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:07.599 When Cody was talking, it was like a seventy five I. 545 00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:11.279 Understand, which was which I see as. 546 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:15.160 A win on the baby face column because the fact 547 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:17.640 that it's punk he could have. That was my biggest 548 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.480 concern going into this feud was you're almost kind of 549 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:24.799 tempting that he has to turn heel because it could 550 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:28.319 do damage to the babyface version, and you know, and 551 00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:30.759 and also depending on how the story would would play out, 552 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:34.119 and since they basically kept it as you know, friendly 553 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:37.880 to until like the last moment, I think that ended up. 554 00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:40.359 I think they did enough enough of a job there 555 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:44.240 where it's a straight up baby face baby face matchup. 556 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.000 I think this is like the least likely because I 557 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.240 understand I'm like, I'm I'm too always ready. It's like 558 00:26:50.359 --> 00:26:51.000 is this week Thursday? 559 00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:51.160 Though? 560 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:57.200 But this is this is where I'm least confident that 561 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.200 Cody's an turn heel, which means it might be when 562 00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:06.960 he does so I would actually like, would I mean, 563 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:09.680 consider the fact he's been talking about it online, uh 564 00:27:09.839 --> 00:27:13.559 and in interviews? Uh punk has he's been talking about 565 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:15.920 like he can never turn heel again because people are 566 00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.400 still going to cheer him. So I wouldn't be surprised 567 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:20.599 that those interviews. 568 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.279 Been very popular. Bay Faced Cogan thought no one had 569 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:27.759 ever I mean that, but never. I mean, Punk is 570 00:27:27.839 --> 00:27:28.759 in his late but. 571 00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.279 The fact that he the fact that he brought it 572 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.400 up though, you know, in interviews, makes me think that 573 00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:36.880 that's you know, kind of priming the other side of 574 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.119 the equation. And I could see him after this, because 575 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:41.920 he I could see him turning heel for this in 576 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:46.160 order just to keep the title and to continue the 577 00:27:46.599 --> 00:27:49.680 story going on. This is the thing is, I haven't 578 00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:51.759 bothered to think about people coming back, so I don't 579 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.200 know about Ko. I have a factoring Ko into my thinking. 580 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:56.519 I have factored Randy Orton to my thinking. I have 581 00:27:56.680 --> 00:27:59.839 factored anybody just my thinking. Can hear me lose me? 582 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:01.920 I said, yeah, and Drew mcintaria. 583 00:28:01.519 --> 00:28:04.039 Well because I lost my camera, so oh I see. 584 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:05.720 Yeah, yep, I've I've heard you the whole time. 585 00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:09.359 Okay, so yeah so then yeah, so yeah, Drew McIntyre. 586 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:11.480 So all those people coming back, I have a factor 587 00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:14.519 of them in this is what happens. But you could 588 00:28:14.720 --> 00:28:17.200 just have Punk turned heel and then just have it 589 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:18.400 continue from that point on. 590 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:21.599 And you could have both be babyface and split off 591 00:28:21.640 --> 00:28:24.440 and face heels. I am. I think Cody's going to 592 00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:26.880 be a wonderful heel and if he turns, I'll embrace it. 593 00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:31.839 My point, I'll embrace it in a vacuum that I 594 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:36.680 think Cody can be a money making business, a jolt 595 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:39.920 to the business and interest in ww BE, because I 596 00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:41.319 think he'll be really good in that role, and I 597 00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:43.240 would like to see him go lean all in on it. 598 00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:46.240 I'm eager to see it. But I'm in no rush. 599 00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:47.920 Is my point all long is I'm in no rush. 600 00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:49.359 Let's get the most we can out of baby face 601 00:28:49.440 --> 00:28:51.960 Cody before he's heel. I want to see a heel 602 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:55.319 Cody managed by Paul Hayman, maybe against Oba Femi in 603 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:57.240 a year and a half, like you know, like there's 604 00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.759 some really cool things down on the road. I'm just 605 00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.000 not in a hurry. And I will stand by my 606 00:29:03.079 --> 00:29:08.079 thought that people have read too much into things that 607 00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:10.559 made them think they were that they almost feel cheated 608 00:29:10.640 --> 00:29:12.759 out of what was almost promised a Cody heel turn, 609 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.920 and I just I don't think we were really ever there. 610 00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:17.880 I think there were moments there were some pressure on 611 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:21.559 O to turn heel, you know, with the final boss 612 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.480 type stuff, and Cody had a chance to decide and 613 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:26.480 made the decision not to and then here we are, 614 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:28.359 and I think we're in a good spot. Another comment 615 00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:32.480 from the chat, Tito says, Tito one o two, not 616 00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:36.119 to be tilto tilt till. I don't even know it's 617 00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.000 tilt oh one o two. I can't tell the difference 618 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.599 between a one in and out here. Cody taking off 619 00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:43.599 his merch jack jacket to reveal his business attire was 620 00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:45.880 so cringe it took me out of it. I stand 621 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:47.559 by what I said. The only good thing about today 622 00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.440 was Nick Aldos's promo stupid go Home show. It is 623 00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:54.640 very quintessential Cody to take off his merch jacket, throw 624 00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:57.559 it to the crowd. But then have you know a 625 00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:00.640 watch chain or mentallion chain, I don't even know what 626 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.839 it is in a suit vest underneath it? I mean 627 00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:05.599 it's Cody. 628 00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:05.720 No. 629 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.960 I think this is the most casual he's ever dressed, 630 00:30:08.000 --> 00:30:08.519 to be honest. 631 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:11.759 But to have a to have a like sort of 632 00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:16.160 a bedazzled spring jacket that sort of casual you would 633 00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:18.200 expect like a running suit under it or a T shirt, 634 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:20.359 and to take it off, and to have a vest 635 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.880 that's part of like a very formal three piece suit 636 00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:25.920 from like the nineteen you know, early nineteen seventies or 637 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:27.359 something like. That's the part that I think it's just 638 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:30.160 kind of startling, like those just didn't go together, so 639 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.039 it drew attention to the fact that that when you 640 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:35.480 see Cody like in a jogging suit, don't rule out 641 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:37.119 that he doesn't have a vest and a watch chain 642 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:38.799 underneath it, you know, or whatever. 643 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:49.559 Anyway, longing for some nostalgia or maybe you want to 644 00:30:49.640 --> 00:30:53.440 learn some wrestling history, don't miss the nineties Pass cast 645 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:57.039 every Friday on the PW Towards Daly Cast feed. Alex 646 00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:59.839 and Patrick will transport you thirty years into the past 647 00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.000 by taking you through the Torch issue from that very 648 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.839 weak follow news from the WWF and WCW and all 649 00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:09.799 the happenings from across the wrestling industry in real time 650 00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:13.160 as The Torch reported it thirty years ago. That's the 651 00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:16.519 nineties Pass cast every Friday or the PW Torch Daily 652 00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:17.079 Cast feed. 653 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.160 Let's see Drell, who'll be joining us as a caller, says, 654 00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.119 unlike Seth and Roman Punk, Cody did make the title 655 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:34.480 feel important and not make it about other things that 656 00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:38.000 really don't matter, like trying to be smart. I agree. 657 00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:43.599 I agree. There's a comment from Derek Hubbard, who will 658 00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:47.160 be part of our weekend post shows. Also, Cody and 659 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.720 Punk raised the tension and heightened the stakes meaning the 660 00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:57.440 belt without being unlikable or petty. Absolutely, that's that's that's 661 00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:00.680 my uh, that is one of the things that I 662 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.319 liked about what they did here. I think they can 663 00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:04.960 both come out of this as baby faces. I don't 664 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.000 think they crossed any lines where we have to selectively 665 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.200 forget what they said and just sort of pretend it 666 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:15.240 didn't happen in order to keep cheering them, you know. 667 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.720 I think that this was uh, you know, smart to 668 00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:21.960 protect them both or to make a turn more shocking 669 00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:23.319 anything that. 670 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:23.920 To that have here. 671 00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:33.640 No, what is your official prediction for this match? 672 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:38.960 I don't think Cody can win. I think it'd be 673 00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:41.160 a bad idea for him to win because once he's 674 00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.920 already brought up, he's the golden Boy, and it's the 675 00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:47.319 same people at the top, and you've already had people, 676 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:50.440 you know, you know, fans complain about, oh, he's been 677 00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.759 champion for too long and tired, you know, you were 678 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:56.680 tired of Cody. I think you'd give him a break 679 00:32:56.759 --> 00:33:00.599 for the time being, put him in something else and 680 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:03.799 just wet people's appetite for him to get back to somebody, 681 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.359 for him to take down. I think that is the 682 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:10.720 best case scenarios. So I'm hoping that Punk wins because 683 00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:12.799 I think you could still do some more stuff with Punk, 684 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.759 with the other people there that that are in line 685 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:21.480 while you do you know, you rehabilitate is usually used 686 00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.279 like in the wrong, you know, like like saying that, oh, 687 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:25.519 he's been damaged. I don't mean it that way, but 688 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:30.200 you know, kind of like prime him for something, you know. 689 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:36.519 Mhm, all right. Vinnie Quakin says Punk versus Cody had 690 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:38.079 the better build thing Roman seth. But I think this 691 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.720 will be the first of many matches between them, which 692 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:43.960 is why it's night one. That might be the rationalization. 693 00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:45.680 It also might be true it also they might have 694 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:47.279 been on Night one no matter what, because romans the 695 00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:50.359 guy who's going to headline Night two. But there there 696 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.000 is I think there could be something to that that 697 00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:54.279 they're finished. A Roman death might be more clean, more 698 00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:57.720 decisive than what we see with with Cody and Punk. 699 00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:02.359 What is what are the options? There is this GTS 700 00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:04.839 Cody goes down one, two three, Punk wins, Cody goes 701 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:06.799 away for a few weeks, comes back as an issue 702 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.320 with somebody else and we just sort of move on. 703 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:11.559 Or is the only way for Cody to remain a 704 00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:14.159 top guy to turn heel or are we going to 705 00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:20.840 see Punk versus Cody in multiple circumstances going you know, 706 00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.760 going into the end of summer and maybe even into fall. 707 00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.800 I think a Punk not necessarily heel turn, but maybe 708 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:37.880 like he does something unsavory to win, you know, takes 709 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:41.920 a cheap shot, takes a you know, not maybe maybe 710 00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.880 short of a low blow, but you know, takes advantage 711 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.079 of something where you know, he could still have plausible deniability, 712 00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.400 while at the same time, you know, it wasn't really 713 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.159 did he really mean to do it that kind of thing? 714 00:34:56.159 --> 00:35:00.480 Yep? Vinnie Gwakin says also, when he said what do 715 00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:02.199 you want to talk about? The fans chant at seem Punk, 716 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.639 I'm surprised Cody didn't mention it and get into more 717 00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.679 of his issue about Punk being the champion and not him. 718 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:10.320 I don't know if Punk, I don't know if Cody 719 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:12.159 wanted to draw attention to that, you know, what do 720 00:35:12.159 --> 00:35:14.480 you want to talk about? Although he could have easily 721 00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:18.800 said so do I Punk? You know, step Punk, come here, 722 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:20.599 get close. I got some of to say whatever. I mean, 723 00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:24.280 it was fine. I don't know if he saw that coming. 724 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:26.239 You know, what do you want to talk about? What 725 00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:28.840 did he anticipate a seam punk chant? He kind of pause, 726 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.000 He goes, you know, Green Bay, and then he soaked 727 00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.119 up the crowd reaction, and there's a Cody chant and 728 00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:34.519 he goes Green Bay. What don't want to talk about? 729 00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.480 And then there was a seampunk chant. But again, how 730 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:42.760 do you how do you uh uh, what do you 731 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:48.679 read into or draw from the crowd not being as intense, 732 00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:50.519 Like if John Cena was sitting at home watching this, 733 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.239 He's like, man, these two guys aren't over because no 734 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.639 one's chanting. Let's go Punk, Punk sucks or let's go Cody. 735 00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:58.800 Cody sucks in this super intense, loud chant. It wasn't 736 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:03.639 that this was not communal participation crowd. This was a crowd. 737 00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:06.119 And I argued this and others did too. Like Punk. 738 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.880 What the fans are doing with Cody and Punk is listening. 739 00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:13.800 They like both. They're they're paying attention, they're not bored, 740 00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.119 but they don't have victory all. They don't have like 741 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.679 passionately negative feelings that would inspire them to cho and 742 00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:22.760 this is it's a pro and a con. I don't 743 00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.719 think they because I don't think once they booked this match, 744 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:27.679 I don't think you desperately try to get what they 745 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:32.280 don't have here. But it can give the impression that 746 00:36:32.360 --> 00:36:34.559 there's not a lot of anticipation for it because they 747 00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:38.199 haven't gone for desperate things that would lead to the intense, 748 00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.679 you know, dueling chance. I don't see it as a 749 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.119 negative because I think foundationally they did a lot of 750 00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:45.880 good things here. But what do you read into what's 751 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.760 your assessment of the crowd response to this segment and 752 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:51.800 the segments you've watched as you were kind of you know, 753 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:52.800 catching up on stuff. 754 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:58.119 So basically you okay, so when you want to get 755 00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.599 when you want to involve somebody in a match, you 756 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:05.960 got three main aspects, right. You have the face, which 757 00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:09.039 is the person that they want you to cheer you. 758 00:37:09.639 --> 00:37:11.280 So if you have like a strong baby face, you 759 00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.199 want this guy to wind no matter what at any time. 760 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.119 That's when you have a really strong baby face, heal 761 00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:18.960 someone you want to boom and sometimes that that that 762 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.760 character can carry the can carry the whole thing. Hogan 763 00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:22.920 did that for a lot of time. But you know 764 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:26.719 how many people did Hogan beat that were just built 765 00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:28.840 as monsters and then disappeared after you beat them once? 766 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:29.039 Right? 767 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:34.440 Then you have heels or super strong heels that you 768 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:36.840 just want to see somebody beat, right, you don't care, 769 00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.039 you just want to see them lose. And then you 770 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:42.000 have the story element. You know, am I invested in 771 00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.079 the story? So those are three things that get you invested. Ideally, 772 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:47.719 you want to hit all three, right, the trifecta. You 773 00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:51.440 want a great story with a baby face you absolutely 774 00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.480 love and a heel you absolutely hate. That's the trifactas 775 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.400 was going to get you the most investment in that 776 00:37:56.559 --> 00:38:00.199 one specific match. I think that because you're dealing and 777 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.639 I say this is what you see across every everything 778 00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:07.639 including the Bloodline versus the the Unlikely Trio and and 779 00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:12.440 even Sethin and and Roman. Is that because they're not 780 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:17.199 really positioning the the wrestlers as someone you really want 781 00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:19.519 to win. You want to see them accomplish their goals 782 00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:21.920 or or be prevented from a college of their goals. 783 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:25.760 The stories was carrying the biggest amount of weight. So 784 00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:28.440 in this in this one, they it was a straight 785 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.199 up story. So you I think what you said, people 786 00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:34.320 are sitting down. They're not like cheering and really into it, 787 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:35.719 but they're on the edge of the edge of the 788 00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:40.320 They're on the edge of their seats, waiting to see 789 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.000 what's going to pop off, what's gonna happen next, who's 790 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.519 gonna win. So there, you know, there is engagement there. 791 00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.480 It's just not you're not engaged with either one because 792 00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:52.760 you like both of them, but they're engaged with the story. 793 00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:54.639 If they weren't engaged with this, with the story, I 794 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:58.320 think you more likely get a you know, let's go 795 00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.679 seeing uh, you know, seeing us. It's kind of you know, 796 00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:03.559 dueling chant thing or you know, let's go Cody, let's 797 00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:05.159 go And you'll probably still end up getting it when 798 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:10.280 the match happens. But you know, it's I think that 799 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:12.199 that's just because that's part of the course. But I 800 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:18.360 think that's ultimately why you're ending up getting some less crowd, 801 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:22.199 you know, anticipation, because they're they're just watching. It's like 802 00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:24.280 if you're watching a TV you know, because when you're 803 00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.000 watching a TV show at home, you're not like cheering 804 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.920 for the TV, you know, for the tea. You're not cheering. 805 00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:31.920 You're watching a movie, you're not Sometimes you do, but 806 00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:35.679 you don't see you're not yelling at the screen. That's 807 00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:37.559 kind of think that people are sitting down and watching 808 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:40.440 like a play, watching something, and I think that's transformed 809 00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.159 them in their mind where they're actually watching what's going on, 810 00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.440 as opposed to getting really invested in the characters and 811 00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.000 hoping for one specific personal way. 812 00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.800 Yeah, I agree with you'd have your drella. In the 813 00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:53.960 chat's tonight on SPECDWN, they went back to telling stories 814 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:58.280 and giving stories for after Summer Slam as well. Uh 815 00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.239 Standardbiation said, because you know, some people brought up and 816 00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:05.639 you have the misunderstandings or the inavertent you know, uh 817 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.920 collisions and such. Uh Standard Deviation says, I'm fine with 818 00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.440 the misunderstandings because in the back of my mind, I'm 819 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:17.400 wondering if it's a case of plausible deniability, you know, 820 00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.079 the punk swinging the belt and Cody taking offense to it. 821 00:40:20.440 --> 00:40:23.320 You know, it's a little too convenient, but you know, 822 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.960 the adult thing would be for Cody to be like whatever, 823 00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:29.800 you know whatever not you know, flip out, and then 824 00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:32.679 you know, Cody snapping being a little on edge when 825 00:40:32.679 --> 00:40:35.840 Punk put his hands on him, I don't know. I mean, 826 00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:37.199 I think you want to have some of that. 827 00:40:38.800 --> 00:40:41.239 Yeah, And what they did well with that over the 828 00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:43.840 weeks is that when he did snap, he did back 829 00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:45.920 up and say, Okay, yeah, I overreacted. Yep, you know 830 00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:49.800 from time to time, so so it buys into it. 831 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:52.400 It breaks away from like what w usually does, which 832 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.519 is just continue to like stacking as light things. This 833 00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:59.760 was more like, Okay, I overreacted. Maybe I overreacted. I'm 834 00:40:59.800 --> 00:41:01.760 gonna take you at your word. Those were kind of 835 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:05.519 the conversations that we're having until you know the album 836 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.639 in the face. You know, at that point you're like, 837 00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:10.079 is it and at some point it's going to blow up? 838 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.880 But the fact that you know happened often and yeah, 839 00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:15.840 the only possible thing is that they were doing it 840 00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:18.880 purposefully to start getting back at each other. Where you 841 00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:21.840 start getting to the petty petty not petty in terms 842 00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.960 of like unrealistic petty, but what's the we're looking for 843 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:30.159 passive aggressiveness basically kind of petty. 844 00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:31.639 Yeah, petulance. 845 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:32.559 Yeah. 846 00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.119 Would it have been better if Cody and Punk beat 847 00:41:37.159 --> 00:41:38.800 up a bunch of security guards and police officers? 848 00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:43.760 No, But I do it. But speaking of that, one 849 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:45.639 of the thoughts I did have was, man, did it 850 00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:47.159 the security take a long time to come out to 851 00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.480 break them apart? I wonder if Pierce was purposely hoping 852 00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:52.320 to sabotage that main event. 853 00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:56.880 Oh, I see, you know, speaking of which I know 854 00:41:57.000 --> 00:41:59.119 if I's the only one. But when Punk was took 855 00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:00.920 the bump, the kind of the awkward bump off of 856 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.480 the Cody awkward clothes line during the brawl, and then 857 00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.159 when Cody closed line him over the top rope and 858 00:42:05.239 --> 00:42:06.519 he took a bump on the floor, I'm just like, 859 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:08.599 he's gonna blow out his knee, he's gonna sprain his ankle, 860 00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:11.559 He's gonna something's gonna happen here, and they're gonna have 861 00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:13.320 to call some audible, And I don't know what that 862 00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.719 audible would be other than Sammy whoever wins Sammy Finn 863 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.400 gets a title shot later in the night or something. 864 00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.800 I mean, I was like, come on, and then they're 865 00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:23.760 standing on the table and I'll take to somebody to slip, 866 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:28.039 you know. Anyway, Thankfully, as best we can tell, that 867 00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:30.960 didn't that did not happen, all right? 868 00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:31.400 Uh. 869 00:42:31.559 --> 00:42:34.079 Mark Bisquetti says, Punk looked younger tonight. Is energy and 870 00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.239 Aura perked up when he's in the main event of 871 00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:37.559 the Big Show. What do you think about that? 872 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.440 Yeah, he seemed like he was he's up to it. 873 00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:46.679 He seems like he's having Uh. I think he's looking 874 00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:50.199 forward to wrestle Cody, So yeah, I thought that goes 875 00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:53.480 with what with the funk? 876 00:42:53.599 --> 00:42:53.760 Yeah? 877 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:54.320 Yeah. 878 00:42:54.920 --> 00:42:55.000 Uh. 879 00:42:55.079 --> 00:42:57.599 Sean Plitscha says, I was always ready for this match. 880 00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:59.440 In the last two weeks have gotten me more excited 881 00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:03.000 about it. He also adds Cody turning here more interesting 882 00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:07.920 now after the last few weeks interesting. Uh, let's see. 883 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:08.079 Uh. 884 00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:10.440 Jac Scooby says Punk was a star smack Down tonight 885 00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:13.880 and Sammy was the runner up. Uh, Darrell, who will 886 00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:15.159 get to an women? He says, I I like that 887 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:16.639 Punk called out the people in the back who felt 888 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:19.599 like priest and I like that they didn't go like 889 00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:28.000 Seth than Roman for sure for sure. Oh Atlas Fear says, 890 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:29.920 I think it's when reference to my comment earlier, He goes, 891 00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:32.440 I had the same thought when Cody stressed tomorrow, also 892 00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:34.800 meaning oh, he's going to complain about not getting a 893 00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:39.079 match on Sunday and Caid Kay says that was my 894 00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:41.920 thought to Wade, So thank you. I'm glad I'm not alone, 895 00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:43.760 and it's nice when people chime in who aren't normally 896 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:45.159 part of the chat. When when I asked a direct 897 00:43:45.239 --> 00:43:49.719 question like that, and and and back me up. Sadler 898 00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:51.559 Version three says the final saying was fine, but it 899 00:43:51.559 --> 00:43:54.079 didn't leave me antsy to watch this match. All right, 900 00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:57.679 let's uh, let's bring uh drella you find if we 901 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.199 can take crofton first? Yeah, Derell's I was hanging around it, 902 00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:03.000 so crafton, I'm gonna bring you on if you're ready 903 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:05.480 for us, craft and welcome. Good to see you. Good 904 00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:08.159 hear from you. Hey, guys, great to hear from you. 905 00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:10.679 Sorry, I totally expected Torel to go first, so I 906 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:11.559 was not prepared. 907 00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.400 But he always says he's gonna watch the whole show anyway, 908 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.760 so put people first. So but I like to ask 909 00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:19.159 him because I can kind of see a little box 910 00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:20.760 in the corner and he gives me the thumbs up. 911 00:44:20.760 --> 00:44:22.840 And sometimes others can't stay up late. 912 00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:26.800 So that's awesome. I I sometimes it's probably good if 913 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:30.360 I get more sleep, So appreciated Darrell. I would just 914 00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:34.599 like right up before changing topics or anything. I did 915 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:38.079 want to talk about the Cody Punk angle because I'm 916 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:40.960 sort of not in alignment. I think with where you 917 00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.159 guys are. I have found this whole build very boring. 918 00:44:45.039 --> 00:44:48.760 And I do get the face versus face dynamic, and 919 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:51.159 I like both those guys, so that is that is 920 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.039 the thing. But when there's no strong dislike and there's 921 00:44:54.119 --> 00:44:57.039 no heel, you make it. 922 00:44:57.159 --> 00:44:57.679 You can make it. 923 00:44:57.679 --> 00:45:01.480 About the championship and and who's the best, And they 924 00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:04.159 touched on that a bit, but they often spend a 925 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.559 lot of time repeating the same talking points. We've been 926 00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.679 circling each other forever. We can't avoid this. I'm like, 927 00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:12.480 I don't know how many times they've said something like 928 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:16.840 that or stupid dumb misunderstandings, elbow in the face or this, 929 00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:21.239 and then like little passive aggressive stuff like they did tonight, 930 00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.840 and none of it felt big time to me. And 931 00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:29.039 and because of that, I felt just kind of kind 932 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.880 of bored by this, and the crowd was dead in 933 00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:33.760 the main event segment. And I get what you guys 934 00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:36.320 are saying. Where they're they're both they like everyone, and 935 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.119 there they're on the edge of their seat. I wasn't 936 00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:40.360 on the edge of my seat. I was like, this, 937 00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:43.639 this seems like they're limping to the finish line. And 938 00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:45.639 then of course they threw hands at the end, and 939 00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:49.000 people were I think, you know, got a little bit 940 00:45:49.280 --> 00:45:53.679 more invested. I'm wondering if this is what Vinnie from 941 00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:57.559 the chat mentioned the first chapter of a multi chapter 942 00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:02.280 story in which that they they have repeated confrontations where 943 00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:05.599 there's now increasing bad blood. But I don't know for 944 00:46:06.119 --> 00:46:11.039 a main event of SummerSlam, this has just felt it's 945 00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.679 just missing some sort of juice. I can't even fully 946 00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.320 articulate what it is, but it's not resonating with me. 947 00:46:17.719 --> 00:46:19.639 Yeah, I mean I get it. I mean I'm not 948 00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:23.519 chocked to somebody would feel that way, And you know, 949 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.760 I think people have not just every right, but like 950 00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:30.440 it is thoroughly understandable that you would watch this and 951 00:46:30.519 --> 00:46:32.719 be like, I'm looking for something else. I am advocating 952 00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:35.480 not that this is the best way to sell tickets 953 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.239 to an event, but it is the best way once 954 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:39.440 you decide to book yet another face versus face match 955 00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:42.400 with two people in their forties. I think this is 956 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.320 the right way to build it up. Because there wasn't 957 00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:48.800 desperation there wasn't a hot shot. People weren't breaking from 958 00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.920 their normal characters in order to try to grab people's attention. 959 00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:56.519 So I respect the restraint, but I also, in addition 960 00:46:56.679 --> 00:47:01.639 to that, genuinely like some baseline to situations where you 961 00:47:01.760 --> 00:47:05.360 sacrifice a crafton being super energized and engaged in order 962 00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:08.840 to focus on two adults acting like adults talking about 963 00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:15.400 a championship, having their temper tested and and you know, 964 00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:18.199 in reacting to some things and going into a fight. 965 00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:20.760 I mean, they did fight in the end. So yeah, 966 00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:25.960 I just I will continue to defend this, but I understand, 967 00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:28.920 and I'm not shocked, and I don't lose respect for 968 00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:30.880 you having watched this, and yeah, it's not it's not 969 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:34.400 for me. Just a reminder. You can reach us at 970 00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:36.840 Wade Keller Post Show at gmail dot com if you're 971 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:39.440 interested in contributing to the flagship or Wade Keller Post 972 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:42.119 Show at gmail dot com if you're interested in submitting 973 00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:44.159 a question or a topic or even a rant on 974 00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:46.400 the Wade Keller Pro Wrestling Post shows. 975 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.480 It's more way that it's the second biggest show of 976 00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.159 the year ostensibly for the ww and so I hold 977 00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:58.199 the main events of these shows to a high standard 978 00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:01.320 like this is the culmination of a big story, or 979 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:04.559 this is the blowoff of a big feud, you know, 980 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.119 Oba and brock Hell and a Cell. Okay, that makes 981 00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:11.760 sense to me. This is on Summer Slam Seth and Roman. 982 00:48:12.039 --> 00:48:17.519 Despite my beef with how it's essentially unfolded, it makes 983 00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:20.599 sense to me that this be a SummerSlam match. This 984 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:23.199 makes sense in the sense that they're both big stars, 985 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:28.000 but in terms of like the story, it feels like 986 00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:33.119 it they you know, quickly rearrange the title situation to 987 00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:36.239 get to having their pieces ready to have this match, 988 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.360 and then they had a couple of weeks of them saying, well, 989 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:41.360 we can't circle each other forever. So it just hasn't 990 00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.000 hasn't hit for me as a main event of Summer Slam, 991 00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:47.719 as it would be in say, like the main event 992 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:51.039 of I don't know, even the Royal Rumble, as like 993 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:54.239 a main event. The Royal Rumble itself is the match 994 00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:59.360 people are therefore and then Ko normally gets whatever against 995 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:01.800 the champion, and so, like, you know, I could see 996 00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:05.159 it in that slot, for instance, with the less less 997 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:08.360 high requirement for there to be juiced behind the story. 998 00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:11.960 But for me, just for Summer Slam in particular. It 999 00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.559 feels it feels like I respect all the same things 1000 00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:18.519 you do about two adults treating each other in a 1001 00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:21.760 way that adults normally would, although I do feel some 1002 00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:25.199 of these misunderstandings, blown out of proportion and passive aggressive 1003 00:49:25.239 --> 00:49:29.400 things aren't exactly the most flattering to these babyfaces. I 1004 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:32.039 just for Summer Slam in particular, is I guess. 1005 00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:34.960 What I mean too quick? Check comments and I'll get 1006 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.239 have Abby respond to what you've said, crofton if he 1007 00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.639 has any to say, or he might just not. Vinnie 1008 00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:42.280 Watkin says Cody has always been good at emphasizing the 1009 00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.559 importance of the do B championship. Derek Coppert says, I 1010 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.440 don't think they needed a brawl, but I sympathize with 1011 00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:49.840 the idea because it gives the live product climactic moment 1012 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:53.000 and ending to the show. And I think it was 1013 00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:55.039 I think it was good they brawled. It's risky, you know, 1014 00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:57.400 somebody can get hurt. You hate to say that about wrestlers, 1015 00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.280 but just with you know in punk with Oh, I'm 1016 00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:01.159 not injury prone. It just two freak things. That doesn't 1017 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:03.719 make me injury prone, But you know they're not getting 1018 00:50:03.719 --> 00:50:05.159 a lot a ton of reps. They got some reps 1019 00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:06.760 last night in a take match, and you know, things 1020 00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:08.960 can happen. But I thought it was fine to have 1021 00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:13.079 them fight, you know. I mean, that's that's that's what 1022 00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.280 it's not just for the live crowd. I think it's 1023 00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:17.639 you want to give people a taste of the intensity, 1024 00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:19.079 which you don't want to give people the impression of 1025 00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:21.079 is these do respect each other too much to go 1026 00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:23.280 at it hard, and obviously we know they're gonna go 1027 00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:25.119 at at full steam. Have your what do you have 1028 00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:27.119 to say? If anything about Will Crafton's perspective has spent 1029 00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:27.280 on this. 1030 00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:29.199 This is probably not gonna be the only time you 1031 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.000 hear me say this to night. But one of the 1032 00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:33.920 biggest issues I think w B has with the writing 1033 00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:37.400 right now is not the storytelling. Is not really the 1034 00:50:37.599 --> 00:50:40.440 you know, the positioning, baby, because and is the pacing 1035 00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:43.559 of the storylines that you're telling. I could totally understand 1036 00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:46.360 what you're saying, because that conversation of we're circling each 1037 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:51.079 other happens several times because they're buying time, they're pacing, 1038 00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:55.079 especially for the stuff that's going on with the Roman 1039 00:50:55.159 --> 00:51:01.519 rans and bloodline stuff is atrocious, uh, based on the 1040 00:51:01.599 --> 00:51:05.079 storyline that they're they're that that they're telling. Because I 1041 00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:07.440 binged everything at once, I was able to you know, 1042 00:51:07.559 --> 00:51:11.440 crunch it, and I guarantee if you read the pro 1043 00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:14.880 my primer on particularly the Rand situation and stuff like that, 1044 00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:17.119 it's going to read a lot better than Magic came 1045 00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:23.920 out on TV because of the absolute stretch that both 1046 00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:29.159 you know, big story, both main events had with the 1047 00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:32.599 Punk situation because it doesn't have the Punkin and Cody 1048 00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:35.760 Road situation because you know, they're both babyfaces and it's 1049 00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:38.280 more of a situation of like two guys who are 1050 00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:40.800 equals and trying to see one who's you know, big 1051 00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:45.000 brothers little brother's basically what this is, you know, so 1052 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:48.079 so that that makes it a lot easier to follow 1053 00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:51.760 what's going on. But you're right, if you're if this 1054 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:54.800 story is it's it was. It's been like what how 1055 00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:57.840 many weeks it's been going on and you're only getting 1056 00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:00.679 snippets and every episode is just like a little like 1057 00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:02.760 you know, move forward, a little move forward, movement. Little. 1058 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:04.519 They didn't have a ton of weeks, so Hobby, I mean, 1059 00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:06.840 they just Punk just won the title you know, like 1060 00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:07.719 it's it doesn't. 1061 00:52:07.519 --> 00:52:09.920 No no, no, no, no no, because remember I'm also 1062 00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:10.760 talking about the Range one. 1063 00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.239 But there's there's a difference in pacing between the two 1064 00:52:14.280 --> 00:52:16.320 that and I think benefits Cody Punk. It's kind of 1065 00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:17.320 my point, which. 1066 00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:19.440 Which is why I have that when rated higher than that, 1067 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.119 because you know, because since it didn't it wasn't that 1068 00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:24.960 much of a stretch, but you still like overlapped a 1069 00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:27.519 couple of weeks of the storytelling that you're telling. It's 1070 00:52:27.559 --> 00:52:30.280 worse than the Roman rants and bloodline situation. And I'm 1071 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:33.480 putting those together because they're the one feeds off the other. 1072 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:37.679 That one's been going on since Wrestlemannia I think, or 1073 00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:41.239 at least since the Jacob Fatu Bethany uh maybe even 1074 00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:44.440 before that. So how long has that been? And there's 1075 00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:46.920 there's a crucial plot plot point there, which is what's 1076 00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:49.599 caused all the issues for these for these storylines. 1077 00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:52.159 I think it would be interesting, Hobvier to have WWE 1078 00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.400 experiment for a year and do an one or two 1079 00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:57.880 month max where they even were they're doing any pro 1080 00:52:58.079 --> 00:53:00.960 it's just we settle it. It's one off. We're feeding 1081 00:53:01.039 --> 00:53:03.440 wrestlers to other wrestlers. We're not going to the same 1082 00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:06.480 people on top against each other and see what happens. 1083 00:53:06.519 --> 00:53:08.320 I mean, just sometimes you just change the pace for 1084 00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:10.920 the sake of changing pace. You know that in the NBA, 1085 00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.519 sometimes they just go to prevet not prevent his own defense, 1086 00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.920 just for the sake of like kind of shaking up 1087 00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.559 the rhythm of the game because it's not going your way, 1088 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:20.400 or you want to throw the other team off, throw 1089 00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:22.800 the fans off, be less predictable, give them something that 1090 00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:27.280 feels rhythmically different to grab their attention. Go bang bang 1091 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:30.039 bang with feuds and challengers. And because I think there 1092 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:33.519 is something this sounds soft, a soft compain, there's something 1093 00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:35.039 to what you're saying. There's more than something. I think 1094 00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:38.320 you're onto something in that. There is sort of a 1095 00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:41.519 feeling right now of you know, especially with the WrestleMania 1096 00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:43.880 starting later or taking place later in the year between 1097 00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:46.119 the Rumble and mania that's been going on in recent years, 1098 00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:49.199 where that's become a thing. Oh, they're stretching things out 1099 00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:52.480 more so. Yeah, I think I think there's something to that. 1100 00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:54.760 It's kind of like the same thing I get with 1101 00:53:54.920 --> 00:54:00.920 some less insteller streaming shows where they're making twelve episodes, right, 1102 00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:04.960 but their budget for like the big special effects extravaganza 1103 00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:07.559 is you know, set for the last episode, so you 1104 00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:11.199 basically have almost like eight episodes of like nothing really happening, 1105 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:13.880 and then like everything happens in one episode. You know, 1106 00:54:14.159 --> 00:54:17.480 this is kind of because you know, since they're they're 1107 00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:21.079 they're they're booking for the for the specific date of 1108 00:54:21.280 --> 00:54:24.079 the you know, pay per view or Saturday min event. 1109 00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:27.679 You know, because sometimes you have like one week between 1110 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:31.039 those or three or four weeks, you end up stretching, 1111 00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:35.159 you know, and repeating the same things on your weekly 1112 00:54:35.280 --> 00:54:38.199 show just to get to the the big points at 1113 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:40.320 your PL's and and premium shows. 1114 00:54:41.000 --> 00:54:43.800 I think they would argue what they do with Sammy's 1115 00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:46.519 title reign was shaking things up, trying to pick up 1116 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:49.119 the pace, cram more stuff into a storyline. It's not 1117 00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.159 like Eil Skindl Morgan had been feuding forever. It kind 1118 00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:53.039 of was a tournament thing, and now they're getting a 1119 00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:56.840 match for the title. Dan Housen and Dom we saw 1120 00:54:56.960 --> 00:54:58.840 coming for a while. There's sort of a supporting match. 1121 00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:00.559 Sammy and Finn just kind of came out of the blue. 1122 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:03.920 Trick and Corbin came out of the blue Penton Gable 1123 00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:05.840 kind of an unlikely match. I wouldn't have expected they 1124 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:08.320 would do that. That's not a result of months and 1125 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:12.280 months of storyline. My point is kind of picking some 1126 00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:13.719 of that stuff out, is it's not like this card 1127 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.079 is full of matches that we knew three months ago 1128 00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:19.280 were gonna happen at Summer Slam. That said, and I 1129 00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:21.599 say that sort of in case that's a pushback, I mean, 1130 00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:23.039 as well, how would doubt if you respond to that. 1131 00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:25.920 I'm like, that's not the point Hovier is making either. 1132 00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:28.840 The point is at the top of the card. Let's 1133 00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:32.320 pick up the pace. Let's make some of the other 1134 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:34.519 polysium important. Crafton jumped on in. 1135 00:55:35.199 --> 00:55:40.320 Yeah, no, I appreciate that discussion. And Wade, your appreciation 1136 00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:42.480 of Sammy is always appreciated as well. 1137 00:55:43.480 --> 00:55:44.159 So I was. 1138 00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:46.800 I was just two last things on this before moving 1139 00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:49.559 on on the Punk Cody segment. One, In terms of 1140 00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:53.840 dueling catch phrases, Cody should have gone first when when 1141 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:57.159 doing you know, is it great to be alive and 1142 00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.719 get get the crowd into it or just asking people 1143 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:03.880 what they want to talk about. I feel like his 1144 00:56:04.320 --> 00:56:06.840 going second was was not was not helping him. 1145 00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:07.440 Uh. 1146 00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.400 And the other thing was that Punk Punk shots at 1147 00:56:10.519 --> 00:56:14.679 Priest and Sammy in that promo were really cutting, like 1148 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:18.880 to the point that, Uh, I understand, he's probably you know, 1149 00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:21.559 laying the groundwork to set up other feuds and stuff 1150 00:56:21.599 --> 00:56:24.719 like that. But but Priests in particular is a babyface, 1151 00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:28.440 you know, like seeing Sammy's a perpetual benchwarm or whatever 1152 00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:32.280 is brutal. But like, I forget exactly what he said 1153 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:34.840 about Priest, but he was. He didn't use his name, 1154 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.400 but it was clear that it was in reference to 1155 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:38.280 what he said last week. 1156 00:56:38.320 --> 00:56:42.400 And I caught him a baby did he Okay? 1157 00:56:43.800 --> 00:56:47.840 So so I I just thought that was you know, 1158 00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:50.079 it was It was not, I don't know, a good 1159 00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:52.360 look for a babyface, I thought, But whatever. 1160 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:56.400 And I mean Punk is the one who was, you know, 1161 00:56:56.480 --> 00:56:58.599 complain about the same people being on top. It's like, 1162 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:01.039 I mean, I don't know, I think you don't want 1163 00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:02.960 he's in a bit of a glasshouse. When it comes, 1164 00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:05.960 he's already facing I mean, it's quite a biding comment 1165 00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:08.199 to say Punk. You know, Sammy says it. Punk's become 1166 00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:13.119 you know, the corporate champion. What do you call corporate champion? 1167 00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:16.239 Number two. Yeah, yeah, and you know a dig at 1168 00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:18.000 Cody and that punk's the same thing. And I mean 1169 00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:22.440 some people got that impression watching uh wwb unreal. He's 1170 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:26.760 gone to Saudi Arabia. He he's monetized. Maybe maybe he 1171 00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.440 tried to boycott or fight it and didn't win. But 1172 00:57:29.639 --> 00:57:32.400 there's cute little dolls with pipe Bump promo t shirts 1173 00:57:32.440 --> 00:57:35.639 on there that they're marketing. I mean that's like, you know, 1174 00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:38.119 people get mad when there's like this anti establishment rock 1175 00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.159 music and then the band sells it for some you know, 1176 00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:43.199 private equity firm trying to get you to buy some 1177 00:57:44.079 --> 00:57:48.239 bad insurance or something like whatever. You know, like, oh, 1178 00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:50.519 you sold out. I mean there's a lot of punk 1179 00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:53.639 right now that is looking at his bank account and 1180 00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:57.880 wanting to stay in the spotlight without the leverage to 1181 00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.800 push back while those things and he has. We see 1182 00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:05.039 what he's chosen, you know, for people who thought punk 1183 00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:06.840 was authentic and to the hit fight to the end, 1184 00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.760 and he'll be working indie shows before he caves into 1185 00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:12.480 some company like TKO. Sorry, that's not going to be 1186 00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:14.760 his legacy. People are gonna like his promos and his 1187 00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:16.920 body of work, but you know, I mean it brings 1188 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:18.800 a little true So then for him to go with 1189 00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.719 big people on top Punk, that's what you were saying 1190 00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:23.400 decades ago. 1191 00:58:23.599 --> 00:58:27.239 So I don't know, you know, could I'm just like 1192 00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:31.159 the fact that Sammy and others are calling out the 1193 00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:35.119 hypocrisy on TV, and I think it's been recurrent from 1194 00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:39.960 different protagonists over the past few months. I would not 1195 00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:42.480 surprise me to see Punk be the one that say 1196 00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:43.679 turns heel in this feud. 1197 00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:47.639 I'm not against it. I mean, so I Paul him 1198 00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:50.599 imaging Punk again is intriguing, you know. I mean, who 1199 00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:53.280 knows where the vision was going to go timing wise, 1200 00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:56.360 if there weren't all the injuries. And I don't know 1201 00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.400 how Olba exploding on the scene the way he has 1202 00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:03.400 changes any of the calculus, but Paul doesn't have if 1203 00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:05.239 when Brock's not around, Paul doesn't have a top top 1204 00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:08.199 guy to manage. I think he's enjoyed managing bron Breakers 1205 00:59:08.239 --> 00:59:11.079 so far, and that might be where he settles Logan. 1206 00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:12.760 Paul's fun, but Logan's you know, kind of in a 1207 00:59:12.760 --> 00:59:15.119 different spot than Oh, can you believe Logan Paul's wresting 1208 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:16.360 for us? He's going to be in made events now 1209 00:59:16.639 --> 00:59:18.760 just kind of you know, when the speed of traffic 1210 00:59:18.840 --> 00:59:21.239 right now as a top tier guy but not top 1211 00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:25.719 top Austin Theory's doing fine obviously, but he's not like 1212 00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:28.800 Paul's not gonna imminently make him the centerpiece of his 1213 00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:31.360 factions as a heavyweight contender. So you have Punk kind 1214 00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:34.199 of hanging out there and bron Breaker I think, I mean, 1215 00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:36.679 w Unreal made him out to be this kind of 1216 00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:39.159 cool dude, you know, just call him jilt dude who 1217 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:43.239 is a good athlete and whatever. So I mean, I 1218 00:59:43.320 --> 00:59:45.360 don't know, I just you know, the scenario of either 1219 00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:47.119 Cody or Punk being managed by Haym and it doesn't 1220 00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:48.400 have to be Hayman managing him, by the way, but 1221 00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:50.360 both of them intrigue me, and I think both can 1222 00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:53.400 be great. But you're right Crofton and Javier brought this 1223 00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:55.320 up earlier. Punk, Oh, I can't turn heal again. It's like, woah, 1224 00:59:55.320 --> 00:59:57.079 the doth protest too much can be one way you 1225 00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.320 look at that Punk would be in a maybe that's 1226 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:01.960 what will excite Punk, you know, I mean, I think 1227 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:03.199 sometimes Punk's kind of bored. 1228 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:06.440 It felt it's felt like that in the build up 1229 01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:10.840 to this feud at least for me, just moving away 1230 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:17.000 from this uh towards Baron Corbin uh quickly because uh I. 1231 01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:19.559 Different Baron Corbyn, says, says the announcers. 1232 01:00:20.559 --> 01:00:24.920 So I didn't watch Baron Corban in a NXT. I 1233 01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.320 know he was paired with Brown Breaker there. I know that. 1234 01:00:27.519 --> 01:00:30.400 I think that they did quite well. But this might 1235 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:35.199 be the longest solo promo segment I've ever heard Baron 1236 01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.920 Corbin deliver. Or maybe maybe there were other ones when 1237 01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:41.360 he was feuding with Roman over dog food, I can't remember, 1238 01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:44.119 but but like this was this was one of the 1239 01:00:44.199 --> 01:00:47.599 longer ones. And uh, I think the contrast with Trick 1240 01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:52.159 Williams did him no favors here and he he really 1241 01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:55.760 comes across at least to me. Is I mean it 1242 01:00:56.159 --> 01:00:58.559 sounds bad to say, like a charisma vacuum in a 1243 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:03.039 way like he's he's just he's just he's trying, but 1244 01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:06.800 I just I don't, I don't feel it, and and 1245 01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:09.760 then he's This segment felt weird to me because it 1246 01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:11.760 was highlighting also the fact that he's getting a title 1247 01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:14.800 shot at again the second biggest show of the year, 1248 01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.800 and I guess returns are big deals kind of no 1249 01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:21.079 matter who they are you're returning to the company? So, 1250 01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.800 but like, I just felt that this segment felt a 1251 01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:27.719 bit flat. Trick did well, like as he does. People 1252 01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:30.079 like Trick. He had the good segment in the back 1253 01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:33.039 with Sampunk, which I liked as well, sending up you know, 1254 01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:37.199 possible fresh match. But but how did you guys feel 1255 01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:42.760 Baron Corbin acquitted himself today and reintroducing himself and did 1256 01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:45.119 you are you excited for that match at all? 1257 01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:47.079 How do y'all go? 1258 01:01:47.159 --> 01:01:47.400 First? 1259 01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:54.239 I actually liked his presentation today. He does sound different 1260 01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:57.320 from what I remember because he was like probably one 1261 01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:02.239 of the most overly scripted wrestlers back then. Uh, and 1262 01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.320 I picked up I know that that, you know, the 1263 01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:07.440 commentary is a job is to you know, sell you 1264 01:02:07.559 --> 01:02:10.599 and what they're doing. But it they've they've obviously sent 1265 01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:15.119 the memo that he is more thought thoughtful, more thinking 1266 01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:17.920 things through, and I think that the way that he 1267 01:02:18.000 --> 01:02:23.679 delivered his promo actually worked for in that respect. It's 1268 01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:25.840 a bit the whole thing's a bit weird because it, 1269 01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:27.679 you know, it's kind of like the air dropped them 1270 01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:29.920 in like O don't nowhere in the middle of you know, 1271 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.880 what was what could possibly be an exciting feed between 1272 01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:36.280 Carmelo Hayes and Trick Williams. Obviously they want to you know, 1273 01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:41.079 put that on pause and let other things develop. I'm 1274 01:02:41.119 --> 01:02:42.960 not gonna say that, I'm gonna you know, any of 1275 01:02:43.000 --> 01:02:45.519 the money I would quote unquote put down on for 1276 01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:47.159 the pay per view would be to watch this match. 1277 01:02:47.280 --> 01:02:50.000 But it's also something I'm not like, you know now, 1278 01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:51.679 It's not gonna be a bathroom break match for me. 1279 01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:53.920 So I'm I'm I'm interested in what they're gonna be 1280 01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:56.039 doing with Corbin because they just you know, just showed 1281 01:02:56.159 --> 01:03:01.159 up yesterday. So see what the plans are. If he's 1282 01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:04.760 someone who we take serious, moving away from the you know, 1283 01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:08.679 dog food days like you mentioned, or the broke ass Corbin, 1284 01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:11.639 and they stop the cartoonish and just have them be 1285 01:03:12.280 --> 01:03:17.480 you know, the guy who has uh what was it 1286 01:03:17.559 --> 01:03:20.039 like cow skulls in front of his house, uh, and 1287 01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:21.599 then just have him be like, you know, that kind 1288 01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:25.599 of personality. I'm fine with him not being particular charismatic, 1289 01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:28.360 just be a beater. And I could also see him 1290 01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:31.519 like at some point just joining with somebody as there 1291 01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:33.239 you know, as their beater. 1292 01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:39.159 Basically need an extra dose of positivity in your wrestling 1293 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.599 podcasts will come join me Alan furrel Over in the 1294 01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:46.559 Progress Paradise at Pedi Torch VIP as we ask on 1295 01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:49.280 the bright side of wrestling and focus on some of 1296 01:03:49.400 --> 01:03:52.280 the great matches and shows from around the world, be 1297 01:03:52.440 --> 01:03:56.719 it the US, Japan, Europe or Mexico. 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If they found a 1314 01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:58.440 way to take his catchy music and catchphrases and just 1315 01:04:58.519 --> 01:05:01.960 sort of likability and had managed to just make it 1316 01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:06.800 too much, like like almost have him watch Willow Nightgale 1317 01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:08.880 when she's just too much and have Trick like be 1318 01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:11.360 too much on, you know, like too much on. If 1319 01:05:11.360 --> 01:05:13.519 they had gotten him, Baron Corbyn could be this like 1320 01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:16.320 veteran who walks in and goes, what am I looking at? 1321 01:05:17.559 --> 01:05:19.880 What are in the fans with cheer, Like finally somebody 1322 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:21.880 just walks in and a stand up to this trick 1323 01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:24.199 Williams and and he'd be like and then you would 1324 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:26.639 have the announcers going, yeah, this Corbyn's different. He spent 1325 01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:29.199 a year stacking gold medals in jiu jitsu. He's and 1326 01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:32.719 and Barrett says he's showing veterans savviness and and Corbyn 1327 01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:35.039 talks about you need patience, you're part of this generation 1328 01:05:35.119 --> 01:05:37.199 that he's instant gratification and it's all flash and no 1329 01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:41.280 substance or flash over substance. Corbyn could have been like 1330 01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:44.800 the baby face that this era needs is just somebody 1331 01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:49.360 just flatly, calmly telling the truth to the face of 1332 01:05:49.440 --> 01:05:54.199 obnoxious youth, and maybe there would have been a part 1333 01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:56.239 of the audience that would have like come on board 1334 01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:59.079 for that. It does feel a little backwards coming into tonight. 1335 01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:01.360 I was kind of not even all that facetiously going, 1336 01:06:01.400 --> 01:06:03.079 who are you supposed to like here? Because Brick is 1337 01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:06.199 sort of being more more heelish lately with Li Yachty 1338 01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:09.079 and and and uh, if you know, the stuff with 1339 01:06:09.559 --> 01:06:12.519 Carmelo just felt like and then Corbyn gave cut this 1340 01:06:12.719 --> 01:06:15.599 sound bite that made him sound like he's just gonna 1341 01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:18.039 be this you know, truth telling stage like veteran. So 1342 01:06:18.440 --> 01:06:19.400 I don't know, I'll have here. 1343 01:06:20.119 --> 01:06:24.079 It was what Sammy did with Carmelo, you remember, and Trick. 1344 01:06:24.239 --> 01:06:25.159 He did it with Trick too. 1345 01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:28.440 Yeah that's right, Yeah, yep, Sammy. 1346 01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:31.400 That's it feels like Corbyn was cutting that promo. He's 1347 01:06:31.400 --> 01:06:33.400 cutting what Sammy was telling him earlier this year. 1348 01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:37.800 Yeah, yeah, so, I but do you like to me 1349 01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:43.239 Baron Corbyn feels like this calm, collected, mature truth teller, 1350 01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:45.480 not a heel that I'm super excited to boo, Like, 1351 01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:47.039 I don't. I don't think there was a lot exciting 1352 01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:49.119 about him or dynamic about him as he is a 1353 01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:54.199 heel character tonight. It's just, you know, if he's the 1354 01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:56.599 fuddy duddy, if he's the guy who doesn't want and 1355 01:06:56.719 --> 01:06:58.719 you don't want him to be like I'm I'm boring, 1356 01:06:58.800 --> 01:07:01.800 deal with it. But there is something about his lack 1357 01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:05.480 of charisma that I guess you could parlay into, you know, 1358 01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:08.880 leaning a little more into like the announcer's going, this 1359 01:07:09.000 --> 01:07:11.719 guy is like bear going. He's showing veteran savviness and 1360 01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:14.960 test store celebrating him winning gold medals and master's jiu jitsu. 1361 01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:17.840 Like why if you want people to boo him, why 1362 01:07:17.960 --> 01:07:20.039 talk about him like he's matured and grown up and 1363 01:07:20.119 --> 01:07:23.280 gotten better during his time off, you know, Like I 1364 01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:25.480 just sometimes I just don't think that would be like 1365 01:07:26.000 --> 01:07:28.559 has a grasp of you get to choose what you 1366 01:07:28.719 --> 01:07:32.239 talk about, and you should be emphasizing traits that will 1367 01:07:32.239 --> 01:07:35.239 make people have a reaction to a match that it's 1368 01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:38.000 designed to have. And it's not a huge thing, but 1369 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:39.960 it's sort of I'm kind of tote my head going, 1370 01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:42.519 You've just made a case why maybe I want to 1371 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:46.159 root for Corbin and Tricks is an immature, overly flashy, 1372 01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:48.320 full of himself guy who everything's coming too quickly for 1373 01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:52.800 and and he's you know, getting handed too much too quick. 1374 01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:53.280 I don't know. 1375 01:07:53.639 --> 01:07:56.480 Yeah you could, you could do you can say that stuff, 1376 01:07:56.679 --> 01:07:58.480 but yeah, it would have been a smart idea to 1377 01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:00.719 also tie it into the fact that this makes him 1378 01:08:00.800 --> 01:08:04.079 dangerous and yeah, he you know, and he's going to 1379 01:08:04.199 --> 01:08:06.440 and he doesn't hurt people, not to you know, not 1380 01:08:06.599 --> 01:08:09.559 because he thinks it's a kind of almost make it 1381 01:08:09.639 --> 01:08:11.159 a tomasco Champa kind. 1382 01:08:11.039 --> 01:08:11.639 Of character, you know. 1383 01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:15.119 And in Corbyn leading with or I mean trick leading 1384 01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:16.880 with his insult in Corbyn going he's a big, bald 1385 01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:19.479 headed Baron Corbn. It's like, you got it better than that. 1386 01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:21.479 Yes he is big, and yes he is bald, but like, 1387 01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:24.239 neither of those are insults. They're nothing, they're not character flaws. 1388 01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:27.079 Like there are things in Baron Corbyn's history that you 1389 01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:28.600 can pull for him if you want to insult him. 1390 01:08:28.640 --> 01:08:31.520 But insulting him for two things he had no control over. 1391 01:08:31.640 --> 01:08:34.159 Actually one he did. He finally shaved you know, what 1392 01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:36.600 was left of his hair, and we applauded that it 1393 01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:39.960 was a good decision. So I don't know, Yeah, I 1394 01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:41.359 keep saying I don't know at the end, I don't 1395 01:08:41.359 --> 01:08:41.520 want to. 1396 01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:46.520 I don't know that he could deliver that line. And 1397 01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:50.159 until you repeated it right now, I didn't realize that 1398 01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:51.239 it was ridiculous. 1399 01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:56.840 Well, that's the problem that you you absolutely nailed with. 1400 01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:59.119 The issue is a trick, is that you can try 1401 01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:01.119 to be a heal but he's so just delightfully charming 1402 01:09:01.159 --> 01:09:03.319 in the way that he does it, and charismatic and bombastic, 1403 01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:05.520 and he's the guy walks into the room and you're like, Okay, 1404 01:09:05.560 --> 01:09:08.239 I like this guy that w deb didn't know how 1405 01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:09.960 to deal with that when he first came in, and 1406 01:09:10.079 --> 01:09:12.600 they turned too early on Sammy and there's and I 1407 01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:15.720 don't like anyway, and now they've just given up. But 1408 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:17.159 I think there is a way to turn him heal. 1409 01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:19.039 But you got to actually figure out what we'll get 1410 01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:21.239 fans to boom, and not just kind of what will 1411 01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:22.640 be will be and a lot of what if he 1412 01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:24.239 does knows well what will be will be? Baron Corbet 1413 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:26.760 ju jitsu and he's he's patient and he's matured, and 1414 01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:29.039 he's calm, and he's showing veterans happiness. We hope that 1415 01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:31.079 gets fans to boo him, and it's like, you actually 1416 01:09:31.079 --> 01:09:32.680 have control over what you say. Why don't you not 1417 01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:35.600 say things that that make you less apt to boo 1418 01:09:35.720 --> 01:09:37.720 him and more app to respect him and be in 1419 01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:41.199 all of him. I just I'm yeah, it's frustrating, all right, 1420 01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:41.920 crafting what else? 1421 01:09:42.720 --> 01:09:46.199 Yeah, I yeah, No, I appreciate. I appreciate that I 1422 01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:49.000 have more respect for Corbyn based on what you guys 1423 01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:51.239 have said in what the chat's saying here as well. 1424 01:09:51.279 --> 01:09:54.840 It's just for me, he seems still very very vanilla. 1425 01:09:55.279 --> 01:09:55.399 Uh. 1426 01:09:55.479 --> 01:10:00.560 Sammy' zain his promo to open this show with in Balor. 1427 01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:04.199 I thought both of them did really well, and it 1428 01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:08.119 was really fascinating to me because they're sort of twisted 1429 01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:10.800 mirrors of each other in the sense that these are 1430 01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:15.560 two veterans that have been battling on the main roster. 1431 01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:19.319 And then Finn's success came early, Sammy's success came later. 1432 01:10:20.079 --> 01:10:23.159 And it was interesting because Sammy had been positioned against 1433 01:10:23.199 --> 01:10:27.680 these golden corporate children of Punk and Cody, and here 1434 01:10:27.760 --> 01:10:30.520 he was against somebody who was in more his position, 1435 01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:32.640 and I thought this was the most that he came 1436 01:10:32.680 --> 01:10:35.920 out like a heel since he's been like navigating this 1437 01:10:36.119 --> 01:10:39.439 character change as the last real good guy, like he's 1438 01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:42.520 he really the way that he was talking to Finn, 1439 01:10:42.600 --> 01:10:44.880 saying no, no, it's my time. Now, you can't have 1440 01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:48.319 this time. This is my time, you know, and and 1441 01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:52.359 Finn obviously not responding well to it. So I really 1442 01:10:52.439 --> 01:10:54.720 thought that whole segment was really great. What I did 1443 01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:59.680 not like was Gunther coming in and essentially beating up 1444 01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:03.359 both the number one contenders. I thought, not only did 1445 01:11:03.399 --> 01:11:07.399 that that sort of take away from their match, but 1446 01:11:07.520 --> 01:11:09.840 when Nick all of this came out and they started brawling, 1447 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:12.000 it made me think Gunther was looking past Nick all 1448 01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:14.640 this as well, so like which is I guess, kind 1449 01:11:14.680 --> 01:11:16.760 of in his character. But again, it's Summer Slam. You're 1450 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.680 trying to sell this big match, and Gunther is not 1451 01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:23.279 concentrating on that big match. Instead, he's concentrating on on 1452 01:11:23.479 --> 01:11:26.840 Sammy and Finn and in fact making them look kind 1453 01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:29.000 of crappy. So I did not like that part of it. 1454 01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:31.279 But but I did like and I like the all 1455 01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:32.760 this run in, and I like the fact that they 1456 01:11:32.800 --> 01:11:35.840 were trying to sell all this is offense and the 1457 01:11:35.920 --> 01:11:38.359 Texas Clover relief. So now at least there's one move 1458 01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:40.760 that I can look for in the match on the 1459 01:11:40.800 --> 01:11:42.880 weekend and be like, I know that move, that's nick 1460 01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:43.840 Alis's finisher. 1461 01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:44.079 You know. 1462 01:11:44.279 --> 01:11:47.319 But uh but yeah, what did you guys think of 1463 01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:48.159 the opening segment? 1464 01:11:48.880 --> 01:11:49.920 Javier? What do you think that? 1465 01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:54.119 Those were my notes? The ones I love? The opening segment. 1466 01:11:54.279 --> 01:11:56.600 I was when I'm writing the Primmery, I'm like, oh god, 1467 01:11:56.680 --> 01:11:58.520 I don't want to write about this is just throw 1468 01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:01.159 a match thrown in here. But the way they delivered 1469 01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:03.039 and the work that they did, all the stuff that 1470 01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:05.319 Crofts has said like pretty much know what what I 1471 01:12:05.479 --> 01:12:08.960 what I was gonna say, including the my note here. 1472 01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:11.640 I didn't like Guther basically big footing them at the end. 1473 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:14.119 That's about the only thing. It made. It seem like 1474 01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:16.960 that match is unimportant, that the important that this match 1475 01:12:17.079 --> 01:12:19.560 is that that his attack on those two is just 1476 01:12:19.640 --> 01:12:23.119 to feed the all this which you know it is 1477 01:12:23.159 --> 01:12:26.720 a more important match, you know. Uh granted all this 1478 01:12:26.840 --> 01:12:29.640 in Guther, but I didn't like that idea, particularly when 1479 01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:32.199 they're gonna be the number one contender who will be 1480 01:12:32.279 --> 01:12:37.479 facing Cody and or or seeing Punk Necks. 1481 01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:38.119 Uh. 1482 01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:41.920 But as far as the yeah them, the back and 1483 01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:45.359 forth with them, uh, I think this is like the 1484 01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:49.600 most pretty much solidifies in any question anybody's mind that 1485 01:12:49.680 --> 01:12:52.880 that same Zan's the heel uh. He's basically put him 1486 01:12:52.920 --> 01:12:56.079 you know, he's it's because everything he was saying, while 1487 01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:03.000 true to some extent, he made it all about himself 1488 01:13:03.319 --> 01:13:06.640 and without understanding he was talking like prophtes side someone 1489 01:13:06.680 --> 01:13:11.359 who's had similar situations with that. I also liked that 1490 01:13:12.239 --> 01:13:14.399 Balor never did not go into the you know, oh 1491 01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:17.920 they did. They didn't let me, they didn't you know, 1492 01:13:18.680 --> 01:13:21.279 get me. You know, they didn't allow me to compete, 1493 01:13:21.319 --> 01:13:23.560 and it was you know, you know, management was against me. 1494 01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:26.399 I liked the fact that he didn't bring that up. 1495 01:13:26.520 --> 01:13:30.279 So overall, I love I love that that first segment. 1496 01:13:30.319 --> 01:13:32.479 I think someone said that they wanted like the first segment. 1497 01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:34.119 I love that first segment was the best part of 1498 01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:34.439 the show. 1499 01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:37.520 Yeah, I thought it was good. I liked Finn saying 1500 01:13:37.560 --> 01:13:39.039 I've been waiting a long time to get back here. 1501 01:13:39.479 --> 01:13:42.439 I had this bad injury that derailed me. I've been 1502 01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:45.319 waiting ten years to for this to come again. I 1503 01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:47.600 mean used that against him and then had a CounterPunch. 1504 01:13:49.319 --> 01:13:52.439 You know, you need to if you're gonna you want 1505 01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:54.319 fans to think there's a chance either guy can win 1506 01:13:54.359 --> 01:13:56.800 when they're presented as equals fighting for a big thing, 1507 01:13:56.840 --> 01:13:59.399 which is a title shot. So if you were to 1508 01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:04.319 put Finn in a position to make his case in 1509 01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:08.399 storyline and meta that there's a chance he wins. He 1510 01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:11.319 presented himself with some gravitas as a serious person who 1511 01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:13.319 seriously is looking at being champion again or getting a 1512 01:14:13.319 --> 01:14:14.000 title shot. 1513 01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:15.199 And you do it. 1514 01:14:15.279 --> 01:14:17.800 Whether you think it's gonna land with a double digit 1515 01:14:17.880 --> 01:14:19.800 percentage of people or not, that's the right thing to do. 1516 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:23.439 And they did it. And then Finn came across as 1517 01:14:23.479 --> 01:14:26.439 grounded and reasonable and Sammy came across as unhinged and 1518 01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:29.720 you know, making some good points but at where you 1519 01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:34.199 just don't want to be around him. But another way, 1520 01:14:34.279 --> 01:14:36.319 you're thoroughly entertained by him because it's wrestling and he's 1521 01:14:36.359 --> 01:14:40.720 a very entertaining heel. And you know, you know, Sammy, 1522 01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:43.439 no disrespect, but it took ten years and it didn't happen, 1523 01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:46.039 So maybe take a hint, great line, like I mean, 1524 01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:48.680 that was just fantastic, And you know, Finn Baller came 1525 01:14:48.680 --> 01:14:50.119 back he said, well, Sammy, took you more than ten 1526 01:14:50.199 --> 01:14:52.159 years to even smell a championship, so maybe you should 1527 01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:54.439 take a hint. Sammy's line was better, but at least 1528 01:14:54.479 --> 01:14:58.000 Finn had something to come back with. And Ian Valor says, 1529 01:14:58.000 --> 01:15:01.039 you know I got injured, im My title Rananda, you 1530 01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:03.640 got injured because you know you got hurt. 1531 01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:07.760 And he didn't kind of get screwed. 1532 01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:07.920 Though. 1533 01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:10.159 When Finn was saying he didn't get screwed, I was like, 1534 01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:13.239 I don't know, man, like you can make an argument. 1535 01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:17.159 He gets put on a different show with like no notice, 1536 01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:20.119 he gets a mystery opponent, like there is you know whatever? 1537 01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:23.960 Anyway, I yeah, yeah, for the sake of the story, 1538 01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:26.359 Like I say, you get to choose what you talk about, right, 1539 01:15:26.640 --> 01:15:29.840 I think you want Finn to say I got hurt. 1540 01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:32.119 That's why I lost the title. Sammy, you'd got hurt. 1541 01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:33.720 You didn't lose the title because you got hurt or 1542 01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:36.199 you got screwed, but because you lost. And then the 1543 01:15:36.279 --> 01:15:38.239 fans chance Sammy sucks. Sammy sucks, and that's what you 1544 01:15:38.319 --> 01:15:40.680 want from that moment. So they chose the facts that 1545 01:15:40.720 --> 01:15:43.079 would get them the chant, which was Sammy sucks. They 1546 01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:46.920 got it and I love Sammy. Gonio Tho's on like 1547 01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:49.000 fighting words and if I didn't respect you so much, 1548 01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:51.279 I'd take you down right now, like, yeah, that's just classic, 1549 01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:53.920 Like yeah, I mean I don't know. I mean that's 1550 01:15:53.960 --> 01:15:57.119 just Sammy gets it and he's doing a good job. 1551 01:15:57.159 --> 01:15:59.319 But then, yeah, you know, Grunther, you know, comes out 1552 01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:03.520 and does make them look less then, and I don't. 1553 01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:06.039 I didn't. I didn't like that aspect of it. I 1554 01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:08.439 think they saw it as a conduit to get oldest 1555 01:16:08.479 --> 01:16:11.359 to run out and brawl and and have an intense fight. 1556 01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:13.479 But if Cody and Punk are gonna do it, I 1557 01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:15.600 don't know. I mean it's good to show fans all 1558 01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:17.880 this can throw a punch and take a bump and 1559 01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:20.199 has a move, So I get that, And I don't 1560 01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:22.199 know how else you get there. I mean, there are 1561 01:16:22.199 --> 01:16:24.039 other ways to get there. It just crossed my mind 1562 01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:27.960 what it would be that would that would justify it, 1563 01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:30.159 other than all this as a GM who has in 1564 01:16:30.279 --> 01:16:32.000 his mind there's a right way to do things. Nunther 1565 01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:34.119 shouldn't be attacking two wrestlers of a match tomorrow. Let 1566 01:16:34.159 --> 01:16:36.079 me run out there now. I can't just yell at him, 1567 01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:38.720 and I don't. I'm not limited to threatening fines and suspensions. 1568 01:16:39.119 --> 01:16:41.880 I can actually beat them up for doing this. So 1569 01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:45.119 I get I get the I get the rationale and 1570 01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:49.920 the logic, but the side effect is Sammy and and 1571 01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:52.720 Finn kind of look look like they were less then 1572 01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:55.800 going into a number condemtorship match. That's the downside. And 1573 01:16:56.920 --> 01:16:58.479 they didn't have a grilling match first. You know, had 1574 01:16:58.479 --> 01:16:59.720 they had a grilling match would be one thing, but 1575 01:16:59.760 --> 01:17:01.720 they you know, we're there, go. 1576 01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:07.199 Ahead, have you. One mitigating thing was at least Goother 1577 01:17:07.600 --> 01:17:10.399 had made it clear that he was going to go 1578 01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.600 after them, that he was not going to abide a 1579 01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:18.319 number one contender, so you know that that also alleviates 1580 01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:21.039 things a little bit because like when it first happened, 1581 01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:23.880 I was like really against it, and then I'm like, okay, 1582 01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:25.960 well Gother did say I'm going to go after and 1583 01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:29.119 ruin the match for whoever does it. And I also 1584 01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:31.159 did like that they do get up and then go 1585 01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:34.479 after Goother's you know, a particular battle doing the rundown, 1586 01:17:34.560 --> 01:17:36.920 the you know, getting caught you know, on the camera, 1587 01:17:37.039 --> 01:17:39.279 running down the ramp. So at least they got there, 1588 01:17:39.399 --> 01:17:42.760 you know, something back, so they I think they were 1589 01:17:42.880 --> 01:17:45.119 cognizant of that, and I think they did, you know, 1590 01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:48.079 did some stuff to mitigate it, but it's still something 1591 01:17:48.119 --> 01:17:50.560 that sticks in the craw where you know, you know, 1592 01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:53.199 it does seem like they're lesser than you know, it's 1593 01:17:53.239 --> 01:17:56.239 a lesser match than all this, and. 1594 01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:00.720 You know that last segment you're just listening to and 1595 01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:02.880 the next one that you're waiting to listen to, those 1596 01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:05.399 can be one second apart. With a VIP membership, you 1597 01:18:05.439 --> 01:18:08.279 can unlock our commercial free versions of our shows. 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Go 1605 01:18:30.079 --> 01:18:32.960 to PW torch dot com slash go vip for full 1606 01:18:33.039 --> 01:18:35.840 details on all the options to listen commercial free and 1607 01:18:35.960 --> 01:18:39.520 with upper tier options unlock our v I P exclusive 1608 01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:41.239 podcast run throughout the week every week. 1609 01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:45.279 And they looked like flies kind of buzzing around him, 1610 01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:48.800 and he was like swatting, swatting the mob I I didn't. 1611 01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:52.319 I didn't like that the look there, but I did 1612 01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:55.680 think that, like before that segment, that Finn Balor looked 1613 01:18:55.720 --> 01:18:58.760 as great as a babyface as i'd seen him look 1614 01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:04.119 since in the judgment day. His promo was on point, 1615 01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:06.680 back and forth. Like Sammy, we've we've he praised on 1616 01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:09.479 the past few weeks. He's great on the mic. He 1617 01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:13.079 really believes in his character. He sells his character. Finn 1618 01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:14.720 has to play off that. I thought he did a 1619 01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:19.359 great job, so just giving him his flowers there. Wait 1620 01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:23.279 Waite's kind of thought on this, you're on mute Wade. 1621 01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:26.880 I put my fingers. I don't want you might flow 1622 01:19:26.920 --> 01:19:28.439 into a final topic or something that I want to 1623 01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:30.840 throw a couple of check comments up about some about 1624 01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:34.720 this this segment. First, Derek Mitchell says, of course Gunther 1625 01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:36.720 thinks he's rightful number one contender. I didn't mind him 1626 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:38.760 big footing Sammy and Finn. It should be expected as 1627 01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:40.960 Gunther's character. It would have been odd if he didn't 1628 01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:44.239 attack both of them. Sean Plitch just says, I disagree 1629 01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:49.520 about guntherro attacking it made sense for his character, And 1630 01:19:50.960 --> 01:19:53.199 Derek said, yeah, I totally gru with you about going Through, 1631 01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:57.920 you expect him to attack both guys. Sean adds Wade, 1632 01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:00.520 it made total sense why he did it. They don't 1633 01:20:00.520 --> 01:20:03.199 look less than at all. It made sense for Gunther's character. 1634 01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:07.279 So I want to clarify here it makes sense for 1635 01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:09.880 Gunther's character. That's not our point. I don't think anyone's 1636 01:20:09.920 --> 01:20:11.479 made that point. Show that it doesn't make sense for him. 1637 01:20:11.600 --> 01:20:13.319 The ideas doesn't make sense to book him in a 1638 01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:17.199 segment that does where one guy fresh is beating up 1639 01:20:17.239 --> 01:20:19.039 two fresh guys who are both fighting to be number 1640 01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:22.960 contended for a world title. Does that It makes sense 1641 01:20:23.000 --> 01:20:26.800 for Gunther, But it also wasn't needed. It's not like wait, 1642 01:20:27.239 --> 01:20:30.000 Sammy and Finn are arguing, where's Gunther? Like no one 1643 01:20:30.119 --> 01:20:32.520 was thinking that. It's like you weren't. There wasn't an 1644 01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:34.520 They weren't obliged to do it to protect the integrity 1645 01:20:34.520 --> 01:20:36.199 of Guntherro's teal character. They hed run out there and 1646 01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:39.960 attack him. They didn't call him out. So our point 1647 01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:42.079 isn't it didn't make sense for gun Through. Our point 1648 01:20:42.159 --> 01:20:44.680 is by doing something that made sense for Gunther, you 1649 01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:47.159 paid a price that might not have been necessary to 1650 01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:49.279 tell the story with Gunthro. If you told the stories 1651 01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:51.039 going through a different way. Is that fair Crofton? 1652 01:20:51.600 --> 01:20:54.600 Absolutely, And like, I totally think it makes sense for 1653 01:20:54.720 --> 01:20:57.960 the Gunther character. I just think I wouldn't have booked this. 1654 01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:01.600 I would have booked like also, he's looking past nick 1655 01:21:01.640 --> 01:21:03.479 All this and I get it, nick All, this is 1656 01:21:03.520 --> 01:21:05.600 the GM, but that's the book. That's that's the match 1657 01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:09.560 that's booked for Summer Slam. And I would have preferred, say, 1658 01:21:09.640 --> 01:21:13.399 tonight had had this segment happened with Finn and Sammy 1659 01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:16.439 and then following it, you know, nick All, this came 1660 01:21:16.479 --> 01:21:18.079 out to cut a promo in the middle of the 1661 01:21:18.199 --> 01:21:21.960 ring to like sell who he is as a wrestler, 1662 01:21:22.079 --> 01:21:24.279 and and and uh you know you could you could 1663 01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:27.079 even have that package that they showed backstage as well. 1664 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:30.479 I don't, Yeah, exactly, Luther can walk out and go 1665 01:21:30.640 --> 01:21:32.760 enough of the past, enough of the minor league, yeah, 1666 01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:34.399 and then beat. 1667 01:21:33.920 --> 01:21:35.840 Up on all this, right, Like that's the match that 1668 01:21:35.920 --> 01:21:37.720 they're trying to sell for the second biggest show of 1669 01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:40.079 the year. So it's just again I do agree like 1670 01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:44.039 Gunther is a character, makes sense for him to attack 1671 01:21:44.159 --> 01:21:47.119 these guys. I just don't think that this is how 1672 01:21:47.159 --> 01:21:50.319 I would have booked the show. To go because it 1673 01:21:50.439 --> 01:21:53.720 makes the number one can potential next number one contenders 1674 01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:59.439 look less than the the The last, just last topic 1675 01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:03.800 I wanted to talk about was just Haku coming back 1676 01:22:04.199 --> 01:22:06.920 with the m FTS. And I will be honest, I 1677 01:22:07.119 --> 01:22:09.039 was concerned for the m f T s. I thought 1678 01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:13.239 when they split with Solo that it might they might 1679 01:22:13.279 --> 01:22:17.000 be joining future endeavors like it really it really did not. 1680 01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:20.840 I'm not sure what what the plan was. And they'd 1681 01:22:20.880 --> 01:22:24.279 already lost half their crew and and and so they 1682 01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:28.239 had mentioned the Elders previously, and and to see uh 1683 01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:32.760 Haku on screen as a character I think is cool 1684 01:22:33.119 --> 01:22:36.000 and I think is something that really would have I 1685 01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:38.119 am surprised that they didn't do more of in the 1686 01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:42.399 first generation of the Bloodline, like have have folks come 1687 01:22:42.600 --> 01:22:45.680 come on screen like that that were, you know, familiar 1688 01:22:45.720 --> 01:22:49.840 with in the Greater universe, uh of the of the Bloodline. 1689 01:22:49.880 --> 01:22:51.680 But I think this, this would be this would be 1690 01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:54.720 good for them. I'm not sure about his mobility. He 1691 01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:58.000 looked a little bit like, I don't know, he looks 1692 01:22:58.039 --> 01:23:02.680 great visually, I'm not sure what his ages and how 1693 01:23:02.720 --> 01:23:05.039 will he moves in the ring or if this isn't 1694 01:23:05.079 --> 01:23:07.399 tall ask for him to travel around with them. I 1695 01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:08.880 thought at first he was just going to be in 1696 01:23:08.960 --> 01:23:13.000 that segment on the screen and not actually be there. 1697 01:23:13.159 --> 01:23:15.079 When he was actually there, I was like, oh my god, 1698 01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:18.279 he is going to be part of this moving forward. 1699 01:23:18.319 --> 01:23:21.439 But I liked it. I'm wondering what you guys thought. 1700 01:23:22.079 --> 01:23:27.359 How you well, back to the opening segment. The tongue 1701 01:23:27.399 --> 01:23:30.319 in thing made me happy for Ballort because I'm pulling 1702 01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:34.640 for Ballad to win on SummerSlam, but because he still 1703 01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:39.600 has you know, he had been feuding with Tomatonga and Tala. 1704 01:23:40.920 --> 01:23:43.279 I like, well, you know, Ballert can lose and then 1705 01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:45.720 just go back to that feud. But because it looks 1706 01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:48.960 like the Tongueans are moving on, I'm like, hey, now 1707 01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:51.279 Ballot doesn't have anything, so maybe he might win. So 1708 01:23:51.439 --> 01:23:53.960 that made me happy because I'd like for them to 1709 01:23:54.079 --> 01:23:56.479 give him a hard you know, push and see what 1710 01:23:56.560 --> 01:23:58.920 he can do because I think he's very charismatic. He's 1711 01:23:58.920 --> 01:24:01.520 still got something. Maybe you know, you could go back 1712 01:24:01.600 --> 01:24:04.760 to him winning in that you know, and and fix history, 1713 01:24:04.840 --> 01:24:07.680 so to speak. He might be someone that you know, 1714 01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:08.600 one of your top guys. 1715 01:24:09.199 --> 01:24:09.279 Uh. 1716 01:24:09.399 --> 01:24:11.720 So I'm hoping gets at least a chance to you 1717 01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:15.880 know taste that as far as the Tongue is concerned. 1718 01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:16.680 Yeah, I. 1719 01:24:18.720 --> 01:24:22.560 They obviously have. They have belief in Tomatoma. He's got charisma, 1720 01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:26.560 he fits the stuff that they're doing, and I like 1721 01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:28.600 that of them just going, you know, just being a 1722 01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:32.079 straight up tag team with the caveat if they start 1723 01:24:32.159 --> 01:24:35.920 pushing their tag team division, which has completely vanished off 1724 01:24:35.960 --> 01:24:40.039 the face of the earth. So yeah, so so I'm 1725 01:24:40.199 --> 01:24:43.439 I'm looking forward to what they do with them, hoping 1726 01:24:43.479 --> 01:24:45.680 that the war Raiders get it. Looks like you're trying 1727 01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:48.279 to do something with the war Raiders too. Only problem 1728 01:24:48.319 --> 01:24:50.159 is that war Raiders have been around for such a 1729 01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:53.239 long period of time that that mystique of invincibility. I 1730 01:24:53.319 --> 01:24:56.079 know they're trying to catch catch that again, but you 1731 01:24:56.199 --> 01:24:59.840 know it's hard, particularly when the other for on the 1732 01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:02.800 with the July one, they did the eating thing again. 1733 01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:04.279 Yeah. 1734 01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:07.319 Uh you know, uh a call back to the Turkey 1735 01:25:07.399 --> 01:25:14.479 leg back during the the the Performance Center. Uh time. 1736 01:25:14.600 --> 01:25:17.720 But yeah, Harby, are we supposed to be cheering the Tongans, 1737 01:25:17.760 --> 01:25:21.000 attacking the war Raiders or resenting them for attacking Damian 1738 01:25:21.039 --> 01:25:22.960 priestint our truth or something else. 1739 01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:29.079 Uh, We're just supposed to be afraid of them, so 1740 01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:35.159 and that and and which, Well, their aggression is supposed 1741 01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:36.880 to be a negative trade. At the same time, the 1742 01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:38.640 fact that they're going to stick up, you know, they're 1743 01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:41.359 going to attack a stronger a stronger team like the 1744 01:25:41.520 --> 01:25:45.600 Viking Raiders a positive trade. The way they're talking seems 1745 01:25:45.640 --> 01:25:48.039 it's negative. So I think we're supposed to believe they're 1746 01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:51.279 they're they're negative. You know they're there's meaning you know, 1747 01:25:51.439 --> 01:25:55.399 the heels or you know the yeah. So I think 1748 01:25:55.439 --> 01:26:01.640 I think that's why because everyone and I don't know, 1749 01:26:01.760 --> 01:26:03.039 I don't know where the war Raiders are. 1750 01:26:03.439 --> 01:26:05.239 I don't know that that always is the real craft 1751 01:26:05.319 --> 01:26:06.039 in but go ahead. 1752 01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:08.800 No, but I mean in this match specifically, like the 1753 01:26:08.920 --> 01:26:11.800 Damian Priests and Our Truth are clearly babyfaced unless I've 1754 01:26:11.840 --> 01:26:15.399 misread comedy. And then the the and the the Viking 1755 01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:17.119 war Raiders are. 1756 01:26:17.640 --> 01:26:18.319 Don't confuse me. 1757 01:26:20.079 --> 01:26:23.920 Have been presented at as like, you know, honorable challengers. 1758 01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:26.479 They go backstage, they meet Our Truth and Damien, are 1759 01:26:26.560 --> 01:26:27.960 you ready to fight for these titles? 1760 01:26:28.039 --> 01:26:30.039 Let's let's do title for title. 1761 01:26:29.880 --> 01:26:32.159 Match, and and like so I don't like they're all 1762 01:26:32.279 --> 01:26:34.479 good guys, and then these bad guys come in ruin 1763 01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:36.079 the match and like beat them up. 1764 01:26:36.119 --> 01:26:37.000 I thought they were. 1765 01:26:38.680 --> 01:26:38.720 No. 1766 01:26:38.880 --> 01:26:41.920 No, that I think that's the answered my question fairly. 1767 01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:44.760 Why should we just they're talking about it sort of 1768 01:26:44.800 --> 01:26:47.199 like carpent Hey, he has all these metals and he's 1769 01:26:47.279 --> 01:26:51.199 a savvy veteran, Hako dangerous, you know, like he's he's 1770 01:26:51.239 --> 01:26:56.960 one of the uh one of these these respected veterans 1771 01:26:56.960 --> 01:27:00.640 and elder who you know, is gonna like what why 1772 01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:04.239 are we like? Okay, they interferit in a match, like, 1773 01:27:04.760 --> 01:27:07.279 but why do we dislike them? I mean, Tom Tama 1774 01:27:07.399 --> 01:27:10.399 hasn't seen they turned on Solo when Solo was a heel. 1775 01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:13.399 Sola's a face. Now is that right? I mean liked 1776 01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:16.279 or is it too ambiguous to say when they broke 1777 01:27:16.359 --> 01:27:16.840 up a solo? 1778 01:27:17.840 --> 01:27:20.439 We'll talk about that. Okay, we get to talk about them. 1779 01:27:20.479 --> 01:27:22.159 I have a lot of the you know that quite 1780 01:27:22.159 --> 01:27:22.960 a complicated one. 1781 01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:25.479 Yeah. My point is that when they when I don't 1782 01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:30.039 believe Tama and Tala come have come across as definitive heels, 1783 01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:30.960 there could be something that's. 1784 01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:36.760 Just well attach valory yeah, oh yeah, ok. Because they 1785 01:27:36.840 --> 01:27:40.560 did they did the say, uh you know, they that 1786 01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:42.399 he had been thinking about it and I talked to 1787 01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:44.079 the elders and then he attacked. 1788 01:27:43.760 --> 01:27:45.359 Them, and yeah, no, you're right, so that that is 1789 01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:48.760 that is something I forgot I wasn't incorporating in So okay, 1790 01:27:48.920 --> 01:27:51.439 so hopefully w does their job and doesn't leave me 1791 01:27:52.439 --> 01:27:55.000 if I forget one angle like looking at them, going, well, 1792 01:27:55.159 --> 01:27:57.239 they're kind of cool, they're kind of badass, Like right 1793 01:27:57.319 --> 01:27:59.439 now tonight they were cool and badass with this elder. 1794 01:27:59.680 --> 01:28:03.279 That's tree kind of my larger point, and so it's like, ah, 1795 01:28:03.600 --> 01:28:07.920 you know what, I don't know, just like I'm craving them, 1796 01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:10.439 choosing things that emphasize traits that will allow us that 1797 01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:13.720 they'll encourage my emotions to naturally move to boo them. 1798 01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:17.600 And tonight tonight I was like, Oh, how cool. They're 1799 01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:19.720 bad assets. They're gonna bring the tech division back up 1800 01:28:19.720 --> 01:28:21.920 and they're gonna shake things up. So anyway, I don't 1801 01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:24.880 believe that I would say. 1802 01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:28.600 Way that that is almost your reaction. There is testament 1803 01:28:28.640 --> 01:28:31.079 to how little they have done with the war Viking Raiders, 1804 01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:35.680 Like they essentially like the fact that you don't know 1805 01:28:35.760 --> 01:28:38.319 what their alignment is to me makes perfect sense. Like 1806 01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:40.800 they're barely on TV, and when they are, it's in 1807 01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:43.479 backstage segments or now they're in triple A or they're 1808 01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:46.479 not in you know, like so for for me, and 1809 01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:50.840 this was I'm giving them some grace. The film show 1810 01:28:51.039 --> 01:28:54.079 before a two night stadium pay per view, so a 1811 01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:56.800 lot of people are on the card for that, so like, 1812 01:28:56.960 --> 01:29:00.359 obviously they were gonna have matches tonight with people that 1813 01:29:00.880 --> 01:29:03.640 might not normally have a match on SmackDown, or I 1814 01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:06.720 don't think there was any build for this title versus 1815 01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:09.159 title match, So I'm really like in terms of promotion, 1816 01:29:09.680 --> 01:29:12.319 So I'm really glad that it was a schmas finished 1817 01:29:12.399 --> 01:29:15.119 because if they had just given away a title versus 1818 01:29:15.199 --> 01:29:17.920 title match that had led to the you know, one 1819 01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:21.079 team having both titles without even advertising it or promoting 1820 01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:24.000 it previously, I would have been very frustrated by that. 1821 01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:26.680 But the fact that it ended, you know, it ended 1822 01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:28.720 the way that it did and is leading to something 1823 01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:32.439 else I think is better. And I also didn't like 1824 01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:35.960 the idea of one team having both those those typles. 1825 01:29:36.119 --> 01:29:38.119 Yeah, yeah, that was like, are they really gonna merge them? 1826 01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:39.680 So a couple of Jack comments and then I have 1827 01:29:39.760 --> 01:29:44.479 someone to say. Azan says the attack finvalor, Yes, we 1828 01:29:44.560 --> 01:29:46.640 brought that up to them and give them credit. King 1829 01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:48.840 of the North p W says, why are they hails 1830 01:29:48.880 --> 01:29:53.119 for taking the best route to success? If you're talking 1831 01:29:53.119 --> 01:29:56.479 about the Tongans, it should be the best route to success. 1832 01:29:56.479 --> 01:29:59.840 Should not be attacking people outside the outside of the ring, 1833 01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:02.399 Like you that the culture of the presentation is as 1834 01:30:02.520 --> 01:30:05.720 dull people's senses to the idea that an attack outside 1835 01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:08.760 the ring is actually should be frowned upon, Like there's 1836 01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:10.760 a ring, there's ropes, you step in the bell rings 1837 01:30:10.800 --> 01:30:13.600 and then you fight. You don't sneak attack to you know, 1838 01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:16.520 two pairs are exhausted. I don't think that's what King 1839 01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:19.640 of the North was referring to. But Sean Plush says, 1840 01:30:19.640 --> 01:30:21.319 is on, they've definitely been acting heelis who knows what 1841 01:30:21.359 --> 01:30:26.239 that would be as a whole though, and Goodfella says, 1842 01:30:26.279 --> 01:30:29.119 I know the Viking Raiders more from NXT and Triple A, 1843 01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:33.239 and Durrell says war Raiders are the heel. They've been 1844 01:30:33.239 --> 01:30:35.159 shown as heels building up to this match, and they 1845 01:30:35.159 --> 01:30:37.600 are heels in Triple A. They also shove the raft 1846 01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:39.000 out of the way when they were double teaming, like 1847 01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:42.520 that was a you know that like that's something generally 1848 01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:44.079 baby face that don't do they don't. I mean, they 1849 01:30:44.159 --> 01:30:46.640 can show a temper, but they that felt a little 1850 01:30:46.920 --> 01:30:49.880 that's felt more like a heel spot than the than 1851 01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:52.439 the referee was a heel So there's some. 1852 01:30:53.199 --> 01:30:54.720 So did though? 1853 01:30:55.920 --> 01:30:57.319 What's that so did? Priest? 1854 01:30:57.399 --> 01:30:57.960 In our truth? 1855 01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:00.760 They were there, there was two shops to the okay, 1856 01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:01.880 that's what led to the DQ. 1857 01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:04.800 Was it a double DQ? Or did presearch truth win 1858 01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:05.159 by DQ? 1859 01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:08.720 I don't know what they just ring the bell wide? 1860 01:31:09.279 --> 01:31:10.640 How the hell am I supposed to know? 1861 01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:12.920 Yeah? 1862 01:31:13.520 --> 01:31:16.359 Okay, yeah, but my head. 1863 01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:19.479 Yeah I know, I I hear. I totally understand why 1864 01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:22.119 that would be the case. Thank you, gentlemen, both for 1865 01:31:22.199 --> 01:31:25.359 your time. Uh and uh I'll let Darell on and 1866 01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:27.720 whoever else is is calling. Thanks for a great show. 1867 01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:29.319 Is always great to talk to you both. 1868 01:31:29.479 --> 01:31:34.319 Thanks Rapin appreciate it. Cheers always good. King of the 1869 01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:36.840 North p W says what happened to the Viking experience? 1870 01:31:37.000 --> 01:31:39.199 They dropped that name because it sounded like what somebody 1871 01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:41.960 dressed as a Viking after a few too many drinks 1872 01:31:42.000 --> 01:31:44.800 would say to a woman at a bar, or guy, hey, 1873 01:31:44.840 --> 01:31:47.000 would you like a Viking experience like it? Just it 1874 01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:49.439 sounded so it just was lame. 1875 01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:51.840 Finisher though. 1876 01:31:53.800 --> 01:31:56.560 Yeah, yeah, that's better than it being the team name, 1877 01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:58.119 because at least it is something it's not left to 1878 01:31:58.119 --> 01:31:58.720 your imagination. 1879 01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:01.560 Well, you like a ride, so you know. 1880 01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:10.239 Oh yeah, all right, let's bring Derell into the conversation. Droll, welcome, 1881 01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:11.279 good to see you, go to hear from you. 1882 01:32:11.319 --> 01:32:14.720 What's up? All right? How y'all guys doing tonight? Enjoying 1883 01:32:14.800 --> 01:32:15.520 y'all conversation? 1884 01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:17.760 Good? Thanks, we try. 1885 01:32:19.920 --> 01:32:20.560 Yeah tonight. 1886 01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:25.119 But yeah, the piggyback on which I was just talking about, 1887 01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:28.600 I think they were just bringing on the MFTs when 1888 01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:31.319 they brought out Haku, just to bring a new new 1889 01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:35.439 type of toughness in a direction for them to go into. 1890 01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:37.760 So right now that we don't know what they are 1891 01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:40.640 until they show us who they are, but they were 1892 01:32:40.800 --> 01:32:43.399 just trying to go after go. 1893 01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:46.239 Hopefully they put some emphasis back on the tag team 1894 01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:46.720 to Bitcheon. 1895 01:32:46.840 --> 01:32:51.279 Maybe my argument is is I don't like that two 1896 01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:53.600 wrestlers attacking four wrestlers after they just had a match 1897 01:32:53.720 --> 01:32:55.960 can be seen as neutral and to be determined. I 1898 01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:59.079 think that should be a heel move unless those teams 1899 01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:00.920 did something to you. I think that should be built 1900 01:33:00.960 --> 01:33:03.800 into the culture and embedded and how how fans are 1901 01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:07.039 expected to interpret things. Number two, that's not the culture 1902 01:33:07.079 --> 01:33:09.640 of the presentation for twenty years. So the fans, of 1903 01:33:09.680 --> 01:33:11.640 course are going to be like, these guys are badasses 1904 01:33:11.680 --> 01:33:14.399 and they're cool. They just are they're asserting themselves. And 1905 01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:18.479 you know what Michael Cole, like the commentary lately is 1906 01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:21.600 rewarding heels and baby faces for things that they whatever. 1907 01:33:21.800 --> 01:33:27.680 So my point is they're coming across as badass doing 1908 01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:29.359 what they need to do to insert themselves into the 1909 01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:32.920 title picture. To use Michael Cole's quote about the women's 1910 01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:35.920 take division. So how about we like figure out what 1911 01:33:36.079 --> 01:33:38.319 we want fans to think is honorable and dishonorable. And 1912 01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:40.760 how about if they're gonna be badasses, let's make sure 1913 01:33:40.800 --> 01:33:43.239 we frame them as heels. If they're gonna be babyfaces 1914 01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:46.119 by attacking wrestlers, let's make sure that they're attacking heels 1915 01:33:46.199 --> 01:33:47.880 who have done something wrong and they had a coming 1916 01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:49.960 instead of just want to be cool if we did this, 1917 01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:51.640 I want to be cool. If cops got beat up, 1918 01:33:52.119 --> 01:33:54.359 you know, like, no, it's not cool. If there's no 1919 01:33:54.479 --> 01:33:56.920 real world ramifications for it. It's just stupid. It's a 1920 01:33:57.600 --> 01:33:59.760 it's a Looney Tunes road runner cartoon, you know. And 1921 01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:01.520 Bill hits his head, but he's back in the next scene. 1922 01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:04.760 It's stupid. This feels like they just want them to 1923 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:08.199 be badasses. And I'm an advocate, and almost every circumstance, 1924 01:34:08.319 --> 01:34:11.079 let's let's give people a reason to either cheer and 1925 01:34:11.159 --> 01:34:12.960 root for them or root against them. And tonight I 1926 01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:15.319 didn't see that. And wherever they land, there's going to 1927 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:17.800 be things that are contradictory because they're cool badasses who 1928 01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:20.000 are about to kick ass, and they got Hakku in 1929 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:23.039 their corner. To me, it's why the road where's in 1930 01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:25.439 nineteen In the mid nineteen eighties and the eight wa 1931 01:34:25.560 --> 01:34:28.640 the fans cheered them because they're cool badasses. They're supposed 1932 01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:29.840 to be heels, and fans are like, oh, we like 1933 01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:31.560 these guys. Ho Cogan came in as a hilt at 1934 01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:33.800 Awa before Hocmenio was born, and fans like, this guy's 1935 01:34:33.800 --> 01:34:35.720 pretty charismatic. He's a movie star. Let's cheer this guy. 1936 01:34:36.000 --> 01:34:38.399 So I don't whatever they're trying to do, if they're 1937 01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:41.119 even thinking it through, they might not have a choice. 1938 01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:42.319 The fans might cheer them. I don't want to be 1939 01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:44.159 a baby face opponent to them right now, I'll put 1940 01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:44.520 it that way. 1941 01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:51.319 Hey everyone, long time PW Torch commist Sean raddikin here 1942 01:34:51.359 --> 01:34:54.119 to let you know I've rebamped and renewed their Atticant 1943 01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:58.720 Worldwide podcast for twenty twenty six, a weekly VIP exclusive. 1944 01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:01.159 Every week, I break down four or five of the 1945 01:35:01.159 --> 01:35:05.319 biggest trending topics in pro wrestling. I also present my analysis, 1946 01:35:05.520 --> 01:35:08.560 providing insight that helps you understand the story better or 1947 01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:11.840 see it another way. Then maybe is the controversial takeout there? 1948 01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:14.239 Then I bring on a special guest for the second 1949 01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:17.319 half of the podcast. Sometimes it's a wrestler or someone 1950 01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:19.640 else who works in the business. Other times it's a 1951 01:35:19.680 --> 01:35:22.760 guest analyst who brings their specialized point of view at 1952 01:35:22.800 --> 01:35:25.800 a particular key topic in the news. Recent guests have 1953 01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:29.119 included Bronson Reid from WWE and PCO. One of my 1954 01:35:29.199 --> 01:35:31.840 areas of specialty is the Japan wrestling scene, so I 1955 01:35:31.960 --> 01:35:34.840 often cover a big topic from Japan with PW Torch, 1956 01:35:34.960 --> 01:35:38.640 his own, Alan Farrell, Kelly Wells, and Chris Lansdell. I 1957 01:35:38.680 --> 01:35:40.920 don't just cover the news. I don't just riff on 1958 01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:43.239 the news. Or give a standard hot take. I bring 1959 01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:45.920 my decades of studying this industry and talking one on 1960 01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:49.439 one with dozens of wrestling promoters to each week's show 1961 01:35:49.720 --> 01:35:52.840 so you understand not just what's happening, but the context 1962 01:35:52.920 --> 01:35:55.479 of why get ahead of the news, get ahead of 1963 01:35:55.560 --> 01:36:03.000 the pack with radicking worldwide only at PW Torch Vipe. 1964 01:36:03.000 --> 01:36:04.359 I don't think there. I don't think there are any 1965 01:36:05.159 --> 01:36:07.720 like baby faced teams for really, you know, for you 1966 01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:11.279 really get to get to them to particularly SmackDown. I mean, uh, 1967 01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:14.760 Priests and and and Our Truth are just like a 1968 01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:18.479 tack team of convenience for the time being, long convenience, 1969 01:36:18.520 --> 01:36:22.159 but that's what they are, you know. I'm I'm already 1970 01:36:22.199 --> 01:36:24.720 I'm already missing the machine gunsters. Those are people that 1971 01:36:24.800 --> 01:36:28.000 you could actually have gotten people to cheer for against 1972 01:36:28.039 --> 01:36:30.680 the Tongans. But I don't see any other group except 1973 01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:32.800 for maybe uh maybe street profits. 1974 01:36:34.119 --> 01:36:38.359 Yeah, maybe give them to be bad asses and just 1975 01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:41.000 bring team out the team after them, and like you 1976 01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:45.319 were saying earlier, way one match, to give people one match, 1977 01:36:45.399 --> 01:36:47.479 one few and just keep going on until you can 1978 01:36:47.560 --> 01:36:50.960 build something up that feels like a robbery, because that's 1979 01:36:51.000 --> 01:36:53.720 a story to be told to see who they who 1980 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:57.359 can build up to fight them, to push them to 1981 01:36:57.520 --> 01:37:00.000 something else in the Northeast. 1982 01:37:00.039 --> 01:37:02.119 As Kenny says, you have to attack people in this 1983 01:37:02.159 --> 01:37:05.239 company title matchic because you don't earn those by winning matches, 1984 01:37:05.640 --> 01:37:08.560 and sehn Plitch just says, please just define who they are. 1985 01:37:09.399 --> 01:37:11.199 Daurren Mitchell points out, by the way that for those 1986 01:37:11.239 --> 01:37:14.840 wondering how Ku is sixty seven years old while we're 1987 01:37:14.880 --> 01:37:19.359 at it, just hang out a second, Durell. We had 1988 01:37:19.399 --> 01:37:21.800 a super chat that I want to honor and get 1989 01:37:21.880 --> 01:37:24.119 to not too late, Derek said earlier, Thank you Derek 1990 01:37:24.159 --> 01:37:26.399 for the super chat. Everyone's about a super chat after 1991 01:37:26.479 --> 01:37:29.159 this weekends to night SummerSlam. There's a Sunday Night main 1992 01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:32.319 event on September six, Money in the Bank on October tenth, 1993 01:37:32.680 --> 01:37:35.520 and then Survivor Series War Games on November twenty eighth 1994 01:37:35.520 --> 01:37:38.479 for the remainder of the year. So things lighten up 1995 01:37:40.119 --> 01:37:44.239 to a degree after this early Summer Slam. And then 1996 01:37:44.560 --> 01:37:49.520 was there another super chat? Yeah, Derek Mitchell, thank you again, Derek, 1997 01:37:49.640 --> 01:37:52.279 super generous, appreciate it. I'd like to see Cody turnheel 1998 01:37:52.319 --> 01:37:54.119 one day and not wait almost twenty years like Sina did. 1999 01:37:54.159 --> 01:37:56.720 An elimination chamber, and it fizzled after that. I wish 2000 01:37:56.760 --> 01:37:59.439 I put that in earlier. Maybe we'll cover that again later, Derek, 2001 01:37:59.560 --> 01:38:03.199 because yes, you don't want to wait too long, but 2002 01:38:03.319 --> 01:38:07.000 you know I'm in no rush. But there is something 2003 01:38:08.479 --> 01:38:11.760 compelling about Cody in his prime being a heel because 2004 01:38:12.039 --> 01:38:16.119 I think he has an enemy's been resistance, So don't 2005 01:38:16.159 --> 01:38:17.800 wait too long. Make some money with it, and have 2006 01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:19.640 it be when Cody's still good and it's not like 2007 01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:23.479 a desperation move. But I also don't feel there's a rush. 2008 01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:25.119 Do you want to comment on that and then get 2009 01:38:25.159 --> 01:38:26.199 back to whatever you're gonna Saylor was. 2010 01:38:26.479 --> 01:38:27.520 Yes, I sure would. 2011 01:38:29.000 --> 01:38:32.279 I wouldn't mind seeing Cody as a heel, but when 2012 01:38:32.359 --> 01:38:36.119 it comes to just changing him, I need somebody who 2013 01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:39.840 can feel it in his spot. And once he go here, 2014 01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:42.960 you need a face or babyface who can rival him 2015 01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:45.640 to a point. So don't be something quick and then 2016 01:38:45.680 --> 01:38:49.159 you don't get the fans turning him back babyface, because 2017 01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:51.640 now you done got it. He seemed more cooler now 2018 01:38:51.760 --> 01:38:54.520 because he's a heel and stuff like that. I don't 2019 01:38:54.560 --> 01:38:56.640 want that back and forth. I want them to have 2020 01:38:56.800 --> 01:39:00.479 somebody who can take his spot, and then when you 2021 01:39:00.600 --> 01:39:05.520 turn him over, he could be he'll and have somebody 2022 01:39:05.560 --> 01:39:09.079 to go against and compare contrast will and let him 2023 01:39:09.119 --> 01:39:11.479 be the only person who turned the whole year. If 2024 01:39:11.479 --> 01:39:13.600 they go and he's the only person who turned that 2025 01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:16.199 whole year and it's the only turn their whole year, 2026 01:39:16.479 --> 01:39:17.720 they'll be good with me. 2027 01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:19.199 I like it. 2028 01:39:19.760 --> 01:39:22.359 Another super chat from Derek based on the two world 2029 01:39:22.399 --> 01:39:25.000 title matches that summer Slam Cody versus punkin Roman versus Seth, 2030 01:39:25.000 --> 01:39:29.560 I'm fairly certain that neither champion will drop their respective titles. Derek, 2031 01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:32.439 thank you again for the super chat. Mean not very much, 2032 01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:37.359 so Punk and Roman retain. I mean, how you I 2033 01:39:37.399 --> 01:39:39.800 haven't ready your piece, but that's I think we've indicated 2034 01:39:39.800 --> 01:39:40.880 that's where you're leaning. 2035 01:39:41.800 --> 01:39:44.920 Yeah, I have Yeah, Punk and Roman. I do have 2036 01:39:45.039 --> 01:39:46.720 a scenario for Seth winning though. 2037 01:39:47.359 --> 01:39:50.600 In your column. Yes, let's tease that. Read it in 2038 01:39:50.760 --> 01:39:53.680 the column we got We're running along. There's a reason 2039 01:39:53.720 --> 01:39:55.960 to read your column beyond that. But that's a good hook. 2040 01:39:56.720 --> 01:40:02.399 I'm looking forward to reading that later. D You better 2041 01:40:02.439 --> 01:40:06.279 added it. You better reset a revise copy for that promise. Joe, 2042 01:40:06.319 --> 01:40:06.760 what do you think? 2043 01:40:08.399 --> 01:40:12.239 M Yeah, I think they both retained right now, you 2044 01:40:12.359 --> 01:40:17.199 got something with Punk and tonight, you start building stories 2045 01:40:17.239 --> 01:40:20.479 for after SummerSlam with what you allowed Punk to say 2046 01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:23.479 in the ring and what he was doing backstage, like 2047 01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:25.960 when he met up with Trick and stuff like that. 2048 01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:31.159 He's been building stories for himself and that title also, 2049 01:40:31.279 --> 01:40:33.520 and I liked that portion of And that's something that 2050 01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:37.359 I wanted to talk about, was the stories. I think 2051 01:40:37.439 --> 01:40:40.880 tonight with Punk, they was able to tell a story 2052 01:40:41.319 --> 01:40:44.560 that for further that match, that made it more appealing. 2053 01:40:44.680 --> 01:40:48.960 But they also with him told stories for after SummerSlam 2054 01:40:49.079 --> 01:40:51.560 that you can go into even with if let's say 2055 01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:54.960 Sammy Win or Finn Wins or something like that or whoever. 2056 01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:58.680 I liked what they did tonight, and that's what I 2057 01:40:58.760 --> 01:41:01.199 want them to get back to instead of being all 2058 01:41:01.399 --> 01:41:03.960 meta and saying the other things. I want to get 2059 01:41:04.000 --> 01:41:06.279 back to that is not the wrong with that, and 2060 01:41:06.359 --> 01:41:09.359 making the title feel important, the title feel important that 2061 01:41:09.680 --> 01:41:12.399 now that match even more feels even more important. 2062 01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:18.920 Javier, I was, yes, Courty, I did write it into 2063 01:41:19.600 --> 01:41:23.279 sorry because I had to do. I don't want to 2064 01:41:23.279 --> 01:41:25.399 disappoint anybody good. 2065 01:41:27.159 --> 01:41:28.479 What about Drell's point? 2066 01:41:29.199 --> 01:41:31.479 What was I'm sorry here? 2067 01:41:32.720 --> 01:41:33.199 Oh yeah? 2068 01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:35.600 Reading on peace. I'm trying to let him go first 2069 01:41:35.640 --> 01:41:35.800 on this. 2070 01:41:36.159 --> 01:41:40.840 I'm sorry it happens. I tried to do two things 2071 01:41:40.840 --> 01:41:42.760 at once. I can't walk into goms. 2072 01:41:44.119 --> 01:41:46.920 Sean has a super chat hold on Drell. Everyone, GOVI, 2073 01:41:47.000 --> 01:41:48.720 IP and Derek please call in one of these days. 2074 01:41:48.760 --> 01:41:50.680 SummerSlam can be very good, and try to truly hope 2075 01:41:50.680 --> 01:41:53.479 it delivers. Give EO and live enough time. Thank you 2076 01:41:53.520 --> 01:41:57.119 Sean for super chat. Much appreciated. All right, Drell, you've 2077 01:41:57.199 --> 01:42:00.680 got your thoughts. Hobber is paying attention. What would you 2078 01:42:00.760 --> 01:42:02.479 like Hobby Arder respond to? And then I will also 2079 01:42:03.000 --> 01:42:04.800 ultimately chine in the. 2080 01:42:04.880 --> 01:42:08.199 Story that they were telling tonight, the resetting of the story, 2081 01:42:08.319 --> 01:42:11.560 how they used punk to increase the story with him 2082 01:42:11.640 --> 01:42:15.560 and Cody and set a story for that title that 2083 01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:18.439 he's holding and he probably hold out the SummerSlam and 2084 01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:21.399 stores going forward with that because he built up stores 2085 01:42:21.479 --> 01:42:23.399 all night with new challenges and everything. 2086 01:42:23.680 --> 01:42:26.319 How you feel about that, yeah. 2087 01:42:26.199 --> 01:42:29.520 I mean particularly since they they've set up I mean 2088 01:42:30.319 --> 01:42:33.680 seampunk get a good thing where he when he listed 2089 01:42:33.680 --> 01:42:35.920 all the people he wanted he wanted to face, so 2090 01:42:36.039 --> 01:42:38.439 that already has your idea that you have the trick 2091 01:42:38.479 --> 01:42:43.720 Williams crossover particular since he already has a title and 2092 01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:45.560 they played the whole idea of you know, two boats 2093 01:42:46.239 --> 01:42:50.000 trick all that stuff, you know, like likes been mentioned before. 2094 01:42:50.239 --> 01:42:55.119 It makes the title seem as the goal that that's important. 2095 01:42:55.359 --> 01:42:57.760 They had done that a lot when it was the 2096 01:42:58.359 --> 01:43:03.800 title on raw, and yeah, it makes it makes the 2097 01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:07.920 title important, the thing with a raw because you could 2098 01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:12.159 also have it where the guy is important. So Okada 2099 01:43:12.199 --> 01:43:14.479 in New Japan for example, he was a champion, and 2100 01:43:14.880 --> 01:43:18.159 so it wasn't just winning the title, it was also 2101 01:43:18.239 --> 01:43:22.000 beating Okada, you know, with Roman Rands in his long run, 2102 01:43:22.119 --> 01:43:24.239 it wasn't just winning the title. It was also beating 2103 01:43:24.319 --> 01:43:27.960 Roman Rands. So it's one of those cases of like 2104 01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:30.159 you know, sometimes it's sometimes the title makes the man, 2105 01:43:30.279 --> 01:43:32.279 sometimes the man makes the title kind kind of thing. 2106 01:43:35.159 --> 01:43:37.520 Yeah, I talked earlier about it quite a bit drill, 2107 01:43:37.600 --> 01:43:40.960 but yeah, I like we saw in a w you know, 2108 01:43:41.640 --> 01:43:44.520 a multiple challenge the champ he them, you talking about 2109 01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:48.600 multiple challengers lining things up. I think they have made 2110 01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:51.840 us and think about Cody Punk being important not just 2111 01:43:51.840 --> 01:43:54.439 because of Cody Punk, but because we have in our 2112 01:43:54.560 --> 01:43:59.560 mind potential matches afterwards and they're completely different depending on 2113 01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:03.079 who wins. I don't know that we're for sure going 2114 01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:04.800 to get a clean finish and move right onto it 2115 01:44:04.960 --> 01:44:07.199 like good Fella' says Trick versus Punk. I'm here for 2116 01:44:08.239 --> 01:44:11.840 I think there is an excitement to see fresh matches 2117 01:44:11.960 --> 01:44:15.880 and fresh opponents, and they're teasing us with it, and 2118 01:44:15.960 --> 01:44:21.000 I think they ought to deliver on that. Anything else 2119 01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:23.800 you want to say on Natarrell or respond to. 2120 01:44:24.520 --> 01:44:27.119 Oh no, no, not really, I can go because this 2121 01:44:27.560 --> 01:44:30.079 transition to the next thing, I think they should go 2122 01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:35.000 ahead and put the the interim title back on probably 2123 01:44:35.079 --> 01:44:39.920 Jade because right now that women's division, she has been 2124 01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:42.960 the division, even though they had Ria off TV. She 2125 01:44:43.159 --> 01:44:47.640 has been the circuit, the piece that everybody can circle around, 2126 01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:51.000 the sun that everybody can go around. And also she 2127 01:44:51.199 --> 01:44:53.479 has made it to a point where you got people 2128 01:44:53.560 --> 01:44:56.720 who really cheering for Charlotte and want to see Charlotte 2129 01:44:56.760 --> 01:44:59.000 being do something that they've been trying to do with 2130 01:44:59.119 --> 01:45:01.600 her for years and make her feel like a babyface. 2131 01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:05.359 And I think you have a challenger with stories to 2132 01:45:05.479 --> 01:45:08.359 tell where Charlotte can be chasing her even though if 2133 01:45:08.399 --> 01:45:12.560 you're gonna do the interim champion versus the champion. If 2134 01:45:12.680 --> 01:45:16.039 even if you let Jay win and give Grill some 2135 01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:19.039 time also she can heal completely. You got a ready 2136 01:45:19.079 --> 01:45:22.119 made story of Charlotte chasing her and then once a 2137 01:45:22.199 --> 01:45:25.079 Lexa Blizz come back, there going another challenger until you 2138 01:45:25.199 --> 01:45:28.399 can continue to do challenges in stories. 2139 01:45:28.600 --> 01:45:30.239 That's what was the theme for me tonight. 2140 01:45:30.680 --> 01:45:32.600 That's why I want to see and they gave them 2141 01:45:32.640 --> 01:45:36.399 a big showcase outside of everybody else who in that match, 2142 01:45:37.439 --> 01:45:40.079 that ladder match, it seemed like those two were the 2143 01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:42.800 biggest stories of that match, which I think. 2144 01:45:43.159 --> 01:45:45.640 It made me think watching that would Summer Slant how 2145 01:45:45.720 --> 01:45:47.880 much stronger woul SummerSlam Field. They didn't just have a 2146 01:45:48.239 --> 01:45:51.560 five or six person ladder match for some phony title 2147 01:45:51.720 --> 01:45:56.439 that we don't need. Instead, it was just Charlotte jed, 2148 01:45:57.000 --> 01:45:59.479 No title needed. That could have been the step no 2149 01:45:59.680 --> 01:46:03.720 champion Chip needed. It's just an epic match between these 2150 01:46:03.880 --> 01:46:09.800 two made for posters, superstars in the women's division. Jade's 2151 01:46:09.800 --> 01:46:12.079 an example of somebody who fans kind of wanted to cheer, 2152 01:46:12.560 --> 01:46:14.960 but they found a way to get her booed, and 2153 01:46:15.279 --> 01:46:17.399 Charlott's an example somebody fans kind of wanted to boo 2154 01:46:17.479 --> 01:46:19.039 but they found a way to get her cheered. You 2155 01:46:19.199 --> 01:46:22.439 can steer people, and I think the Fabin Mechen have 2156 01:46:22.479 --> 01:46:25.720 helped in that regard, and obviously Lexa Bliss has helped Charlotte. 2157 01:46:26.640 --> 01:46:28.199 I think that match in the angle they did tonight, 2158 01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:29.560 maybe me want to see a one on one match 2159 01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:35.760 with them. Javier on this topic, Yeah, we're going to 2160 01:46:35.840 --> 01:46:36.239 get to that. 2161 01:46:36.520 --> 01:46:42.119 I don't think it's gonna be for the championship or 2162 01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:44.439 the interim Championship. I think they're gonna both take each 2163 01:46:44.439 --> 01:46:48.960 other out of the match, and I'm thinking that it 2164 01:46:49.159 --> 01:46:52.159 opens up to either Chelsea for a feel good kind 2165 01:46:52.239 --> 01:46:55.760 of kind of thing or Lash Legend. That's why I 2166 01:46:55.800 --> 01:46:57.319 had to wait for this to come out because I 2167 01:46:57.359 --> 01:47:00.439 think I think that whoever it comes out, I because 2168 01:47:00.520 --> 01:47:02.520 the I think the reason to go with the interim 2169 01:47:02.760 --> 01:47:04.279 thing is because I think Ria is gonna come back 2170 01:47:05.079 --> 01:47:07.960 rather soon. Is she just couldn't make it to SummerSlam. 2171 01:47:08.279 --> 01:47:12.640 So I'm thinking if with if you know last Legend 2172 01:47:12.680 --> 01:47:14.000 is someone you know, you can put it on her, 2173 01:47:14.319 --> 01:47:16.159 see what she can do, and then just have Rea 2174 01:47:16.239 --> 01:47:18.119 beat her, because I think ultimately we're gonna end up 2175 01:47:18.119 --> 01:47:21.399 seeing a champion versus champion EO versus versus Reha down 2176 01:47:21.439 --> 01:47:23.800 the road. So I think it's just gonna be a 2177 01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:25.600 you know, I think this is just gonna be a 2178 01:47:26.079 --> 01:47:29.640 whoever it's gonna win. The interim is Legit just gonna 2179 01:47:29.680 --> 01:47:31.960 be a interim title. And you can see what you 2180 01:47:32.039 --> 01:47:34.920 got with last legend in that case particular, since Naya 2181 01:47:35.079 --> 01:47:39.319 Jacks was screwed over twice over the whole situation. That's 2182 01:47:39.359 --> 01:47:42.640 hero taging partner. So you know you've got stuff you 2183 01:47:42.680 --> 01:47:44.720 can do there. So that's why I have I have 2184 01:47:44.840 --> 01:47:48.039 a Green as my number, as Green and Lash as 2185 01:47:48.079 --> 01:47:49.800 the two most likely to come out of that. 2186 01:47:50.439 --> 01:47:53.479 So in the chat, good Fellaw says, gimme Chelsea please, 2187 01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:56.760 a short run is fine? Good Fellaw says, yeah, Jaden 2188 01:47:56.840 --> 01:48:00.000 Flayer take each other out. Sean Plitz just says, yeah, 2189 01:48:00.000 --> 01:48:03.720 I'm okay with that. Chelsea is just a blast piledriver pizzas. 2190 01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:05.359 I'd be so happy for a Chelsea Green Toad to 2191 01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:09.039 run no matter how long. Pilderver petad she could, she 2192 01:48:09.079 --> 01:48:12.000 could and would break about being a former champion forever. 2193 01:48:13.239 --> 01:48:15.600 Sean plitchten notes, if Charlotte has a match like that, 2194 01:48:15.680 --> 01:48:17.920 you better deliver, because her TV matches have not been good. 2195 01:48:20.159 --> 01:48:22.560 Goodfella says let her be the Queen of handling press, 2196 01:48:22.840 --> 01:48:25.359 meaning Chelsea give her respect to I'm a big fan 2197 01:48:25.560 --> 01:48:29.800 of her art, and Mafay says the Chelsea Chat, you 2198 01:48:30.000 --> 01:48:34.600 all are getting my hopes up. Okay, how do we 2199 01:48:34.840 --> 01:48:38.239 reconcile all that hope with how they treated her in 2200 01:48:38.319 --> 01:48:41.840 the tag match of Tiffany against Meechen and Bfab where 2201 01:48:42.520 --> 01:48:48.359 in seven minutes she was kinda like not treated as 2202 01:48:48.399 --> 01:48:53.359 a as a serious you know, a serious threat, and 2203 01:48:53.800 --> 01:48:56.720 Barrett said it was basically a mugging. They're not framing 2204 01:48:56.880 --> 01:48:59.960 her as like somebody you would expect to be champion. Now, 2205 01:49:00.079 --> 01:49:03.279 sometimes that can be a feature, not a flaw in 2206 01:49:03.359 --> 01:49:06.479 how they frame somebody. But I don't know. I mean, 2207 01:49:06.560 --> 01:49:09.600 haber is is, would Chelsea just seem like a fluke 2208 01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:12.079 champion and she can't even believe she's holding it and 2209 01:49:12.479 --> 01:49:14.359 it's just a matter of time before she loses it? 2210 01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:18.000 And that would be the story because they're not exactly 2211 01:49:18.119 --> 01:49:20.720 telling a story in the ring of Look she's getting better, 2212 01:49:20.960 --> 01:49:23.319 look at that move, she's man handling the bigger Beefab 2213 01:49:23.439 --> 01:49:25.479 like the commentary is and telling that story. 2214 01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:29.720 Yeah, I mean, it'll be a Fluke, you have drama 2215 01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:32.319 between her and Stratton because now you know they're they're 2216 01:49:33.319 --> 01:49:35.279 I don't buy the fact of Stratton as she's her friend, 2217 01:49:35.800 --> 01:49:39.920 so you can have jealousy there, you know. 2218 01:49:40.479 --> 01:49:42.199 And what is. 2219 01:49:43.800 --> 01:49:44.119 Haber? 2220 01:49:44.159 --> 01:49:45.600 Do you think you missed a chapter there by the way, 2221 01:49:45.720 --> 01:49:48.960 like in Tiffany suddenly just loving Chelsea as her best 2222 01:49:49.000 --> 01:49:51.920 friend because feels like I missed the chapter two. 2223 01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:54.119 And yes, because I actually had to go back and 2224 01:49:54.199 --> 01:49:58.520 fix the primer because I wrote like I wrote that 2225 01:49:58.800 --> 01:50:00.159 are they you know? They have like sort of like 2226 01:50:00.239 --> 01:50:02.720 almost a budding friendship kind of cup coming out and 2227 01:50:02.760 --> 01:50:05.119 they came out and matching, and the commentary was like, oh, yeah, 2228 01:50:05.119 --> 01:50:07.319 they're best of friends. I'm like, it's something. 2229 01:50:07.760 --> 01:50:11.920 It's like a like a guy asks a some woman 2230 01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:13.800 out and it's like she's like, I don't know. And 2231 01:50:13.880 --> 01:50:15.279 then they go to first date and like how was it? 2232 01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:17.079 I'm not sure? And then you see her the next 2233 01:50:17.279 --> 01:50:19.319 next week day at work and she's like, oh, here's 2234 01:50:19.359 --> 01:50:22.760 my wedding invitation, Like where did that come from? You 2235 01:50:22.840 --> 01:50:24.640 weren't sure about this guy like twenty four hours ago, 2236 01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:26.960 Like Tiffany wasn't sure about her a week ago, and 2237 01:50:27.000 --> 01:50:31.520 suddenly they're just playing patty cake and delighted, delighted with 2238 01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:32.359 each other's company. 2239 01:50:32.399 --> 01:50:34.880 So I'm glad, I'm I'm glad I was not the 2240 01:50:35.000 --> 01:50:36.720 only one for juses, I binged everything. 2241 01:50:37.399 --> 01:50:43.000 Yeah, yep. Before pushing play on the Waight Keller Pro 2242 01:50:43.039 --> 01:50:45.600 Wrestling post shows, check out pw torch dot com and 2243 01:50:45.720 --> 01:50:48.880 our TV review section and skim through a full rundown 2244 01:50:48.960 --> 01:50:50.640 of the TV show if you didn't see it. 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All right, 2254 01:51:17.800 --> 01:51:19.560 uh D comment out of that or or move on 2255 01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:20.119 to whatever you want. 2256 01:51:20.159 --> 01:51:23.279 Yeah, and I think they're going to use that friendship 2257 01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:27.239 as a story that they're telling with Blake Monroe coming 2258 01:51:27.319 --> 01:51:30.159 at tiffing and beating both of them up and using 2259 01:51:30.239 --> 01:51:31.800 that as something that she can use. 2260 01:51:32.039 --> 01:51:36.600 Well, they that was that felt like that was going 2261 01:51:36.640 --> 01:51:38.680 to lead to a chapter that was missing before they 2262 01:51:38.840 --> 01:51:41.479 just suddenly were besties. That's the point, Like I get, 2263 01:51:41.520 --> 01:51:45.279 there's a they definitely were telling that story. And then 2264 01:51:45.319 --> 01:51:49.039 it's like, I mean, yeah, like I would. Did I 2265 01:51:49.079 --> 01:51:50.680 put the bookmark in the wrong place in the book 2266 01:51:50.680 --> 01:51:51.960 the last time I set it down? Is what I 2267 01:51:52.000 --> 01:51:53.479 thought when all of a sudden they're just best friends, 2268 01:51:53.479 --> 01:51:55.159 and I'm like, maybe it was online and I'm supposed 2269 01:51:55.159 --> 01:51:59.159 to have seen like a whatever, No, it not huge deal. 2270 01:51:59.199 --> 01:52:01.000 It's just kind of I'm to one pointing that out. 2271 01:52:01.039 --> 01:52:04.279 But I thought, howvier speeding through stuff or not speeding 2272 01:52:04.319 --> 01:52:07.439 but you know, catching up. People be like, wait, did 2273 01:52:07.479 --> 01:52:09.119 I miss something because it's all fresh in your mind. 2274 01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:10.760 I thought I did too. 2275 01:52:10.840 --> 01:52:14.760 I'm like, you know, hey, I've been watching it and 2276 01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:17.279 I and I thought I missed something. I thought somebody 2277 01:52:17.600 --> 01:52:19.520 took a couple of pages out of the book and 2278 01:52:19.880 --> 01:52:22.159 I don't. I didn't know it was ever there. 2279 01:52:22.359 --> 01:52:24.399 But maybe it's insincere and that's part of it. And 2280 01:52:24.479 --> 01:52:26.560 Chelsea's being taken right by the way. Chasey Scooby says 2281 01:52:26.600 --> 01:52:28.560 Chelsea would win a ladder match and be champed. They'd 2282 01:52:28.600 --> 01:52:32.479 both uh, they both he and when she didn't win 2283 01:52:32.640 --> 01:52:34.560 money of the banks several years ago. Not sure what 2284 01:52:34.680 --> 01:52:39.000 we're just missing there. Pother for Pizze says Chelsea's in 2285 01:52:39.119 --> 01:52:41.960 ring is not the best, but the people have chosen 2286 01:52:42.079 --> 01:52:46.560 her and uh. Sadler says, Chelsea's a great character, but 2287 01:52:46.800 --> 01:52:48.439 is she a top champion material. It'd be like our 2288 01:52:48.479 --> 01:52:50.439 truth winning the doub to be title, if we're to 2289 01:52:50.520 --> 01:52:54.800 be honest in okay fabe, Yes, it's it's. 2290 01:52:54.680 --> 01:52:58.880 The interim title, so it doesn't really that's that's how 2291 01:52:58.920 --> 01:53:00.479 you get away with giving it to her. 2292 01:53:01.359 --> 01:53:04.119 Well, yes and no, I mean I get what you're 2293 01:53:04.159 --> 01:53:07.279 saying in a certain sense, but it's still Chelsea holding 2294 01:53:07.319 --> 01:53:08.720 a title that she won. But if you say, well, 2295 01:53:08.800 --> 01:53:11.079 in a ladder match, you can win by fluke, And 2296 01:53:11.279 --> 01:53:15.600 the story is she's interim champed because she want to 2297 01:53:15.760 --> 01:53:17.680 match with the fluke when everyone else just knocked each 2298 01:53:17.720 --> 01:53:20.000 other down, and she's holding it like I can't believe you, 2299 01:53:20.079 --> 01:53:22.520 Like you know, like a T shirt gets thrown into 2300 01:53:22.520 --> 01:53:24.479 a crowd and some lady wasn't paying attention. It's just, oh, 2301 01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:26.319 I got the T shirt, Like she almost look at 2302 01:53:26.359 --> 01:53:29.359 it like where did this come from? But I'm delighted 2303 01:53:29.399 --> 01:53:31.199 by it. And then then the story is, yeah, she's 2304 01:53:31.239 --> 01:53:34.119 not gonna keep it and and somehow she manages to 2305 01:53:34.359 --> 01:53:36.600 until Tiffy turns on her or something because Tiffy's jealous. 2306 01:53:36.600 --> 01:53:38.359 I don't know. Now I'm getting way ahead of myself. 2307 01:53:41.920 --> 01:53:44.760 Let's see Tiffany. Derek Mischer says Tiffany was putting off 2308 01:53:45.159 --> 01:53:49.680 Chelsea like Warren Winslow did to Steve Erkele on family matters. 2309 01:53:50.920 --> 01:53:53.640 That's for other people to uh get, because I don't 2310 01:53:56.920 --> 01:54:00.800 all right, Sadler says, it's it's still Chelsea being top 2311 01:54:00.880 --> 01:54:02.399 Champ interim or not. That's kind of my point. It's 2312 01:54:02.439 --> 01:54:05.239 like you're still you can say the title doesn't matter 2313 01:54:05.279 --> 01:54:06.800 as much, so it's not part of the lineage, but 2314 01:54:06.840 --> 01:54:08.920 it's still a story you're telling for somebody that wins. 2315 01:54:08.960 --> 01:54:10.840 But because of the latter match, she's not beating Jade 2316 01:54:10.880 --> 01:54:14.159 one on. I don't know. I'm I am not against it. 2317 01:54:14.720 --> 01:54:17.520 I am more trying to temper too much hope, but 2318 01:54:18.199 --> 01:54:20.239 I don't know. It could be they're trying to throw 2319 01:54:20.279 --> 01:54:23.319 you off the scent. Somebody said that, Yeah, Sean Pusher said, 2320 01:54:23.560 --> 01:54:25.760 taking you away from the scent wade. So there we are, 2321 01:54:26.560 --> 01:54:27.800 all right, what else for us? 2322 01:54:29.000 --> 01:54:33.960 Yeah, so y'all cover really all the topics. I like 2323 01:54:34.199 --> 01:54:36.640 the thing with Nick. I like the. 2324 01:54:39.479 --> 01:54:41.800 And then with some of them videos from tn A 2325 01:54:41.920 --> 01:54:45.760 and stuff like that. But I think you and Todd 2326 01:54:45.880 --> 01:54:48.520 talked about this the moment that Nick all this need. 2327 01:54:48.720 --> 01:54:51.119 I think we got that tonight when he was able 2328 01:54:51.199 --> 01:54:53.960 to amp up a little bit and then put the 2329 01:54:54.359 --> 01:54:57.520 cold leaf on on on Guta. I think that was 2330 01:54:57.640 --> 01:55:00.520 much needed. Then you've seen the crowd op that and 2331 01:55:00.720 --> 01:55:03.079 get behind him, and that was needed and they did 2332 01:55:03.119 --> 01:55:06.279 it at the right time. So outside of Guta coming 2333 01:55:06.319 --> 01:55:11.079 in there with in trying to big nose the the 2334 01:55:11.279 --> 01:55:16.600 number one contender, guys that they was needed for him 2335 01:55:16.680 --> 01:55:18.680 and that made that match even bigger. 2336 01:55:20.119 --> 01:55:23.119 I liked a lot. I liked the video. I liked 2337 01:55:23.279 --> 01:55:25.279 I liked the video package. I liked the that he 2338 01:55:25.359 --> 01:55:27.720 showed he can go, he can fight, and I and 2339 01:55:27.800 --> 01:55:29.399 I like in the in the video. I liked him 2340 01:55:29.399 --> 01:55:31.760 talking about like I wanted to be the best GM, 2341 01:55:32.279 --> 01:55:34.119 but it's not. You know, he did cover the base 2342 01:55:34.199 --> 01:55:35.840 like I am a wrestler and I can still be 2343 01:55:35.920 --> 01:55:38.880 a wrestler. I thought it was it was Javier, did 2344 01:55:38.920 --> 01:55:41.039 you speak on that yet, like did the actual words 2345 01:55:41.079 --> 01:55:43.600 he gave? And did were you craving this? Like I 2346 01:55:43.880 --> 01:55:47.720 was this moment with all this establishing him in current 2347 01:55:47.880 --> 01:55:50.600 cannon with current viewers who he is and what he's done. 2348 01:55:51.039 --> 01:55:52.920 And I thought they did just enough and not too much. 2349 01:55:53.199 --> 01:55:53.720 I was. 2350 01:55:53.880 --> 01:55:55.920 I was because I also listened to Fix earlier that 2351 01:55:56.479 --> 01:55:58.640 I was actually thinking, wow, way way did Tyner to 2352 01:55:58.680 --> 01:56:00.880 be happy? Because it filed filled both of the things 2353 01:56:00.920 --> 01:56:03.079 that they wanted from it, So yeah, I had that fun. 2354 01:56:05.000 --> 01:56:06.000 Did you also want it? 2355 01:56:08.039 --> 01:56:10.680 I didn't need it, but I appreciate it and it 2356 01:56:10.760 --> 01:56:13.760 does add to the actual to the actual stuff that's going. 2357 01:56:14.079 --> 01:56:15.760 The only thing was a little bit weird was when 2358 01:56:15.800 --> 01:56:18.359 they're doing the package the way that all this is. 2359 01:56:18.520 --> 01:56:20.960 I've won some championships. The way it was it was 2360 01:56:21.079 --> 01:56:23.560 kind of like very meet Like I don't want to 2361 01:56:23.680 --> 01:56:25.880 draw tension that I watch championships that were not the 2362 01:56:26.079 --> 01:56:28.359 WWE one because I don't want to, you know, give 2363 01:56:28.439 --> 01:56:31.479 any respect to any other company at what championships said 2364 01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:33.840 that was, that's kind of like where I read into that. 2365 01:56:34.000 --> 01:56:37.119 But yeah, yeah, I was, I was. I was fine 2366 01:56:37.159 --> 01:56:38.680 with it. I mean I I probably would have come 2367 01:56:38.760 --> 01:56:41.039 up with something slightly more elaborate, but I don't know 2368 01:56:41.039 --> 01:56:43.479 if it would have served the goal any better than 2369 01:56:43.520 --> 01:56:46.000 what they did with you know, twenty fourst notice I 2370 01:56:46.039 --> 01:56:51.000 guess or yeah, so anyway, yeah, go go ahead draw. 2371 01:56:52.399 --> 01:56:56.279 Yeah, but I liked it at all. This was needed, 2372 01:56:56.680 --> 01:56:59.159 he needed this. You can even go back to this 2373 01:56:59.319 --> 01:57:03.520 match after word, because yeah, yeah, I like that. But 2374 01:57:04.119 --> 01:57:08.159 that was everything. Y'all talked about everything, and just a preview. 2375 01:57:08.680 --> 01:57:11.560 Can you give a preview of what y'all think about 2376 01:57:11.680 --> 01:57:15.680 Night one? Mostly guys, tonight was on its own Night one. 2377 01:57:16.079 --> 01:57:18.079 We're going to that after we're done with your call. 2378 01:57:18.239 --> 01:57:19.920 We're gonna I'm gonna throw it hoppy air and we'll 2379 01:57:19.960 --> 01:57:22.600 kind of bounce off each other a bit. So gotcha 2380 01:57:22.720 --> 01:57:26.119 that's coming up. Yeah, thanks to all, no problem, appreciate it, 2381 01:57:26.159 --> 01:57:30.319 awesome all right. Sue. By the way, quick comment here, 2382 01:57:31.239 --> 01:57:33.039 good Fellow says think Nicole the should call his insurance 2383 01:57:33.039 --> 01:57:35.199 company and see what his policy on chest damage is. 2384 01:57:38.159 --> 01:57:38.279 Uh. 2385 01:57:38.800 --> 01:57:40.439 Gene Albert says the only when to ours tonight was 2386 01:57:40.479 --> 01:57:41.680 a reason for that. They've been to hours for a 2387 01:57:41.680 --> 01:57:43.760 few weeks. They every six months they switched between two 2388 01:57:43.760 --> 01:57:47.119 hours and three hours, and it is permanent, uh, permanently 2389 01:57:48.039 --> 01:57:50.359 until the end of the year, a two hour show. 2390 01:57:51.319 --> 01:57:54.640 But I understand people being thrown off by that. Yes, 2391 01:57:54.720 --> 01:57:59.199 it's it's moving along, uh quickly. Seven eleven says Night 2392 01:57:59.279 --> 01:58:02.319 one is easily the more must see show for me. 2393 01:58:03.159 --> 01:58:05.119 One might say the only musky show of the two. 2394 01:58:05.880 --> 01:58:07.680 If you only had budget to go to one night 2395 01:58:08.600 --> 01:58:10.600 and you had bought tickets for night two because you 2396 01:58:10.720 --> 01:58:13.319 thought they always make that better, you might be seeing 2397 01:58:13.359 --> 01:58:15.399 what you can get for it on the secondary market 2398 01:58:15.560 --> 01:58:19.479 and move into moving to night one. Sean Plush says 2399 01:58:19.560 --> 01:58:21.239 Night two can be sneaky good, but Night one is 2400 01:58:21.439 --> 01:58:26.439 definitely way better. Dereck Mitchell says people are gonna be 2401 01:58:26.479 --> 01:58:28.359 surprised that Nick All this is physique, the way mister 2402 01:58:28.439 --> 01:58:32.279 McMahon looked jacked against Stone Cold in nineteen ninety eight. Yeah, 2403 01:58:32.279 --> 01:58:34.760 I'm curious. Does he just show up in boots and trunks. 2404 01:58:34.840 --> 01:58:37.760 Is he just like Nick Backman, go out there, no frills, 2405 01:58:37.960 --> 01:58:40.840 just maybe a bring jacket or something, or does he 2406 01:58:40.920 --> 01:58:43.039 wear a suit because maybe he's not in his the 2407 01:58:43.079 --> 01:58:45.159 shape he once was, and he's insecure about it. What 2408 01:58:45.199 --> 01:58:46.319 do you anticipate, how your. 2409 01:58:48.119 --> 01:58:50.199 No, I think he's gonna come in dressed like he 2410 01:58:50.359 --> 01:58:52.680 usually does, with the long trousers and the. 2411 01:58:54.319 --> 01:58:54.479 You do. 2412 01:58:55.239 --> 01:58:57.119 Yeah, yeah right, I think he has his right. He'll 2413 01:58:57.119 --> 01:59:00.600 come on as regular get up. Yeah, yeah, let's let 2414 01:59:00.680 --> 01:59:03.319 himself go. I mean, he looks he feels out that 2415 01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:06.359 that his his suit off. Well, so I'm assuming he's 2416 01:59:06.399 --> 01:59:07.199 in He's. 2417 01:59:07.079 --> 01:59:10.720 In good shape, all right, So we'll wrap up just 2418 01:59:10.800 --> 01:59:13.000 kind of going semi rapid fire. But I know you've 2419 01:59:13.000 --> 01:59:14.520 got some stuff to say about some things we haven't 2420 01:59:14.520 --> 01:59:18.039 gotten to on tonight's show. By the way, actually, let 2421 01:59:18.119 --> 01:59:20.439 me just look on tonight show. I just won't see 2422 01:59:20.439 --> 01:59:24.000 if there's anything else we didn't cover heavier that you 2423 01:59:24.520 --> 01:59:27.039 that you want to talk about that we haven't yet. 2424 01:59:27.079 --> 01:59:32.319 I'm scrolling through as i'm talking, and it does look 2425 01:59:32.359 --> 01:59:35.039 like we covered everything except Ray Phoenix and jad McDonough 2426 01:59:35.880 --> 01:59:38.159 and then maybe your quick thoughts on that and also 2427 01:59:38.319 --> 01:59:42.000 just Julia losing so decisively and kind of being sort 2428 01:59:42.039 --> 01:59:44.640 of buried or to find down so quick thoughts on 2429 01:59:44.640 --> 01:59:45.800 those two, and then we'll get to the preview. 2430 01:59:45.960 --> 01:59:49.399 Yeah, I mean the Julia thing. I mean, she they 2431 01:59:49.720 --> 01:59:51.800 she hasn't really worked on the places that they've given her. 2432 01:59:51.800 --> 01:59:53.840 I don't think they else haven't given her the same 2433 01:59:53.920 --> 01:59:55.680 like treatment that they've done some of the people that 2434 01:59:55.800 --> 02:00:01.800 have issues speaking I I send her to NXC maybe 2435 02:00:01.840 --> 02:00:03.159 for a bit, and then bring her back. I don't 2436 02:00:03.159 --> 02:00:05.920 think she's you know, I think she's a good worker. 2437 02:00:06.039 --> 02:00:09.479 So and you know, give her some time an NXC 2438 02:00:09.640 --> 02:00:12.199 or something. Let people forget and give her another shot 2439 02:00:12.279 --> 02:00:14.680 if you can do that. But I don't know, maybe 2440 02:00:14.760 --> 02:00:16.680 she might be one of the ones in the cunning blocks. 2441 02:00:17.520 --> 02:00:21.039 How about j d uh and the j D thing? Well, 2442 02:00:21.079 --> 02:00:23.640 I mean more the Phoenix thing is is like for 2443 02:00:23.840 --> 02:00:26.079 for about five minutes into the match before I realized 2444 02:00:26.079 --> 02:00:27.399 that that was Ray Phoenix not Dragon. 2445 02:00:27.479 --> 02:00:31.760 Late it's not because if I think about it, I 2446 02:00:31.800 --> 02:00:33.319 can tell that it was what brand what Night, But like, 2447 02:00:33.359 --> 02:00:35.119 they don't do enough to differentiate them where you're just 2448 02:00:35.119 --> 02:00:36.479 so you just go with your first thought. 2449 02:00:37.000 --> 02:00:41.399 And Lee's mask has become more like Phoenix's mask too. 2450 02:00:41.560 --> 02:00:44.199 It's not as draconic as it as it used to be. 2451 02:00:44.319 --> 02:00:46.720 So that's why, you know, because that's what we obviously 2452 02:00:46.760 --> 02:00:49.399 what you're looking at looking looking at But but yeah, 2453 02:00:49.439 --> 02:00:50.880 I mean that it was fun. You know, that was 2454 02:00:51.000 --> 02:00:53.920 that was your your work rate match. Uh, you know, 2455 02:00:54.039 --> 02:00:56.359 and it was it was fine. But you know, it 2456 02:00:56.920 --> 02:01:01.880 ultimately means nothing, I hate to say for what we're talking. Yeah, okay, 2457 02:01:02.840 --> 02:01:04.760 except for the downhouse and stuff, but we'll talk about that. 2458 02:01:05.760 --> 02:01:07.800 Yeah, yep, so that'll be built in here. So let's 2459 02:01:07.800 --> 02:01:11.199 talk about ninety one. I'll steampunk Cody Roads. Anything you 2460 02:01:11.239 --> 02:01:15.079 want to add to that, the hype or I think 2461 02:01:15.680 --> 02:01:17.159 that one we spent a lot of time in that. 2462 02:01:17.239 --> 02:01:17.399 Yep. 2463 02:01:17.479 --> 02:01:21.159 So Oba and Brock the match you're looking most forward to, Yeah, 2464 02:01:21.159 --> 02:01:21.520 I mean. 2465 02:01:21.520 --> 02:01:23.640 It's it's not I'm not looking forward to this as 2466 02:01:23.760 --> 02:01:26.560 much as it was Winter first encounter. W sometimes says 2467 02:01:26.600 --> 02:01:28.239 that when they try to go to the well way 2468 02:01:28.279 --> 02:01:32.079 too too many times. Uh, And I don't think they 2469 02:01:32.199 --> 02:01:34.119 need hell in the cell for the type of rest 2470 02:01:34.199 --> 02:01:36.039 as they are. But hey, you know, you know, particularly 2471 02:01:36.039 --> 02:01:37.600 you're not gonna get really violent, which is something we 2472 02:01:37.640 --> 02:01:40.680 don't do anymore. But other than that, I mean, it's 2473 02:01:41.319 --> 02:01:45.079 it's I'm excited because it's gonna be the the crowning 2474 02:01:45.319 --> 02:01:48.560 of of Oba Fami. It's all about you know, making 2475 02:01:48.600 --> 02:01:51.199 ob a family, the next massive star, so that's what 2476 02:01:51.279 --> 02:01:51.920 I'm excited for. 2477 02:01:53.000 --> 02:01:58.319 Yep, is there what what what happens with Brock is 2478 02:01:58.640 --> 02:02:01.439 Oba beats Brock Brockworth of the Ring Obah's music plays, 2479 02:02:01.560 --> 02:02:05.439 and that's it? Is there a moment where they transition 2480 02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:07.800 to something else? And maybe this is a Lesner babyface 2481 02:02:08.039 --> 02:02:12.560 turned because he's in his hometown, so maybe there's some help. 2482 02:02:13.039 --> 02:02:14.920 He says, I respect you. He raises his arm. Fans like, 2483 02:02:14.960 --> 02:02:17.399 oh my god, watch out Ova, and Lesend goes no, seriously, 2484 02:02:17.600 --> 02:02:20.439 this guy's the next big thing, crowns him. Fans cheer 2485 02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:22.640 where they have a dual moment together. Paul hmeans like 2486 02:02:22.640 --> 02:02:24.960 what are you doing? And like, I mean, I'm just 2487 02:02:25.279 --> 02:02:28.520 there's different scenarios and I wouldn't bring it up except 2488 02:02:28.520 --> 02:02:32.680 for two reasons. We had the the leverage, fake pseudo 2489 02:02:32.760 --> 02:02:37.239 retirement thing that sort of Lesner said was like kind 2490 02:02:37.239 --> 02:02:40.279 of thought I was retired, but then I couldn't let 2491 02:02:40.319 --> 02:02:42.840 that be the last thing. But it's sort of hiding 2492 02:02:42.880 --> 02:02:45.600 from what it probably really was a little negotiating hot shot. 2493 02:02:47.760 --> 02:02:49.359 So you have that, you know, like, okay, are they 2494 02:02:49.399 --> 02:02:51.279 going to try to have a moment with Lesnar that 2495 02:02:51.439 --> 02:02:55.960 kind of reframes things. And mostly it's in Minneapolis. It's 2496 02:02:56.159 --> 02:02:59.239 in his home market. That is not the same stadium, 2497 02:02:59.319 --> 02:03:03.960 but it is the same spot on on a map 2498 02:03:04.119 --> 02:03:06.640 where he I was in the Metrodrome and watched him 2499 02:03:06.640 --> 02:03:08.359 play a preseason game for the Vikings, you know, in 2500 02:03:08.399 --> 02:03:11.359 a Viking uniform, Like that's there's history here with him 2501 02:03:11.399 --> 02:03:14.399 and the Vikings and him in Minnesota. If you were 2502 02:03:14.439 --> 02:03:16.880 going to try to turn him in order to tell 2503 02:03:16.920 --> 02:03:18.800 it story with somebody else down the line, I've thrown 2504 02:03:18.840 --> 02:03:20.439 that out there as something that's just in the back 2505 02:03:20.479 --> 02:03:24.039 of my mind as a possibility. They might think it's 2506 02:03:24.399 --> 02:03:26.439 so anyway, I'll throw you enough enough of me talking. 2507 02:03:26.279 --> 02:03:29.920 About Yeah, I don't think they're gonna move to to 2508 02:03:30.039 --> 02:03:35.520 another story. Uh whoever showed the the upcoming pay per views, 2509 02:03:35.560 --> 02:03:38.159 I don't see him slotting into that. So he'll he'll 2510 02:03:38.199 --> 02:03:41.560 go back to his farm time being. So I the question, 2511 02:03:42.640 --> 02:03:45.199 the big question, there's no drama that. I don't think 2512 02:03:45.199 --> 02:03:47.880 there's any drama that ob family is not winning, you know, 2513 02:03:48.920 --> 02:03:51.239 you know, so I think that that's fate of complete 2514 02:03:52.920 --> 02:03:57.079 the The big question is what you're mentioning is like 2515 02:03:57.119 --> 02:03:59.479 what what what's up with brock Lesner, I do think 2516 02:03:59.560 --> 02:04:01.960 he'll I think what will end up happening is we're 2517 02:04:02.039 --> 02:04:04.399 leaving one of those where he leaves and thanks, you know, 2518 02:04:04.640 --> 02:04:07.039 thanks the crowd and everything. I don't think they'll they'll 2519 02:04:07.159 --> 02:04:09.199 he'll completely show, like you know, leave the boots and 2520 02:04:09.239 --> 02:04:11.840 make it like a big dramatic thing. But I think 2521 02:04:11.920 --> 02:04:14.680 he'll leave you with an in with with a the 2522 02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:17.079 impression this might be the last time we see it 2523 02:04:17.439 --> 02:04:20.359 see him, but leaving the door open if he wants 2524 02:04:20.359 --> 02:04:22.039 to show up on a Saudi show or next year 2525 02:04:22.079 --> 02:04:22.680 to WrestleMania. 2526 02:04:22.680 --> 02:04:23.960 I think, who do you want to see him against? 2527 02:04:24.039 --> 02:04:26.319 If or who do you think they think they can 2528 02:04:26.439 --> 02:04:31.000 market him against either whatever whatever happens this weekend, I. 2529 02:04:31.079 --> 02:04:34.439 Mean, if you could get bron Breaker, I'd look for 2530 02:04:34.640 --> 02:04:36.279 the who are gonna be your stars for the future. 2531 02:04:36.279 --> 02:04:44.840 Would brock Lesler, Leather from Breaker? Maybe Trick would probably 2532 02:04:44.880 --> 02:04:48.319 be the top thir obvious you're putting Oba fem over 2533 02:04:48.399 --> 02:04:52.159 on this and off chance if you want to get 2534 02:04:52.159 --> 02:04:55.359 another match with Brandt because I think I know brands 2535 02:04:55.359 --> 02:04:57.079 I think is kind of like a semi retirement tour. 2536 02:04:57.159 --> 02:05:01.560 Two yeah, Powder of Pizza, Jessico, Oh. 2537 02:05:01.560 --> 02:05:05.039 Goother yeah, goother because Guther would make sense if he's 2538 02:05:05.079 --> 02:05:07.680 the one who retires them. I don't know if Lesnar 2539 02:05:07.760 --> 02:05:09.560 is up for LA because altimately could be his decision 2540 02:05:09.560 --> 02:05:10.039 whether they do. 2541 02:05:10.119 --> 02:05:10.359 That or not. 2542 02:05:10.800 --> 02:05:13.560 Yeah. Yeah, you can't say retired from full time competition 2543 02:05:13.600 --> 02:05:17.399 because he did that years ago. All right. Uh So 2544 02:05:18.119 --> 02:05:20.600 going from there, Live Morgan and Eel Sky Women's World 2545 02:05:20.640 --> 02:05:24.079 title match. I think this will have a huge, genuine 2546 02:05:24.119 --> 02:05:27.760 baby face pop for el Sky, who who you know, 2547 02:05:27.880 --> 02:05:32.000 punches above her weight. In terms of the genuine positive 2548 02:05:32.039 --> 02:05:34.760 reaction she gets is more than daboab is even seems 2549 02:05:34.840 --> 02:05:37.800 like they're hoping for or planning for people just like her. 2550 02:05:37.920 --> 02:05:42.600 She's really good. Yeah. Any thoughts on on what you 2551 02:05:42.720 --> 02:05:44.800 expect here? Does she just win and then we get 2552 02:05:44.840 --> 02:05:46.079 to like you said, maybe Rhea. 2553 02:05:47.479 --> 02:05:51.960 Yeah, uh io I have ill winning. Uh The only 2554 02:05:52.760 --> 02:05:55.840 question mark is if they because I think the care 2555 02:05:56.039 --> 02:05:58.279 is due back. If they want to go back to 2556 02:05:58.479 --> 02:06:01.920 Live and the Care with the title involved, they could 2557 02:06:01.920 --> 02:06:05.239 do it without the title so that Steph you can 2558 02:06:05.920 --> 02:06:07.800 can get her revenge. 2559 02:06:07.520 --> 02:06:08.840 On on her. 2560 02:06:09.960 --> 02:06:11.800 I was thinking that Lyra because I actually wrote that 2561 02:06:11.960 --> 02:06:14.479 Lyra could be an opponent for you know, Sky, but 2562 02:06:14.520 --> 02:06:17.880 it looks like Lyra has been more eyeing the the 2563 02:06:18.520 --> 02:06:19.600 the interconcent Champion. 2564 02:06:27.800 --> 02:06:30.119 Are you a fan of AW looking to sit back, 2565 02:06:30.319 --> 02:06:33.359 relax and listen to some like minded podcasters who share 2566 02:06:33.399 --> 02:06:35.720 your passion. Do you want to be topped off the 2567 02:06:35.800 --> 02:06:38.119 ledge after a segment that has you wondering what the 2568 02:06:38.239 --> 02:06:40.600 heck are they thinking? Do you want to join a 2569 02:06:40.680 --> 02:06:43.760 discussion on what AW is doing right and what they 2570 02:06:43.800 --> 02:06:46.640 could do to improve? Then join me Joel and me 2571 02:06:46.800 --> 02:06:49.680 Greg for the All Elite Conversation Club every Friday on 2572 02:06:49.720 --> 02:06:53.479 the pw torch Live Cast. Fee search pw torch in 2573 02:06:53.520 --> 02:06:56.640 your podcast app and subscribe to pw torch Daily Cast 2574 02:06:57.000 --> 02:06:59.439 or streamer shows directly from pw torch dot com. 2575 02:07:00.039 --> 02:07:02.600 Find full details on the pw torch Daily Cast. 2576 02:07:02.479 --> 02:07:05.439 Lineup at pw torchdailycast dot com. 2577 02:07:14.760 --> 02:07:17.159 All right, then, six men l A Knight solo Royce 2578 02:07:17.239 --> 02:07:18.359 against the Bloodline. 2579 02:07:20.119 --> 02:07:21.600 This was the one. I have some stuff to say 2580 02:07:21.600 --> 02:07:23.479 because this is the one I was talking about that 2581 02:07:24.760 --> 02:07:27.399 it's taken forever. And the problem with that is that 2582 02:07:27.800 --> 02:07:31.359 the piece that is missing is Roman Rains a hill 2583 02:07:31.359 --> 02:07:36.920 over face because when he reforms the Bloodline, right, the 2584 02:07:37.439 --> 02:07:41.239 question is, we haven't really seen whether the blood Lines 2585 02:07:41.239 --> 02:07:43.039 are going to be interfering in his matches or not, 2586 02:07:43.159 --> 02:07:47.880 which is intrigue wise, the Roman Reigns seth rawlins matches. 2587 02:07:47.960 --> 02:07:52.600 One's most intriguing to me because of whether the bloodline 2588 02:07:52.640 --> 02:07:53.880 is going to get involved in that match or not. 2589 02:07:54.600 --> 02:07:57.199 If it's not and it's fair play, then we can 2590 02:07:57.279 --> 02:07:59.840 safely say that this is a new version of Bloodline 2591 02:08:00.000 --> 02:08:02.800 where they're not going to get involved in each other's matches. 2592 02:08:03.359 --> 02:08:08.720 So in which case they're they're the babyface because Ellie Knight, 2593 02:08:08.840 --> 02:08:10.680 who's one of the one who's saying, hey, these are 2594 02:08:10.720 --> 02:08:13.720 the people who screwed us over. He's basing his stuff 2595 02:08:13.760 --> 02:08:17.119 on the stuff that happened previously. So is he correct? 2596 02:08:17.439 --> 02:08:21.560 Is his animosity towards Jaye and Jimmy and the rest 2597 02:08:21.600 --> 02:08:24.600 of the bloodline correct? Or is he paranoid? As they've 2598 02:08:24.640 --> 02:08:29.840 mentioned before that Domino hasn't dropped right Solo. They're going 2599 02:08:29.920 --> 02:08:32.479 after Solo to bring him back into the family. Solo's 2600 02:08:32.520 --> 02:08:35.399 obviously making you know you meant you you had asked, 2601 02:08:35.560 --> 02:08:40.119 is Solo a babyface or not? Solo is basically manipulating 2602 02:08:40.279 --> 02:08:42.479 or not manipulating. He's making the enemy of my enemy 2603 02:08:42.520 --> 02:08:46.479 is my friend with Keys and Ella Knight, where again, 2604 02:08:46.680 --> 02:08:52.000 depending on where the bloodline Domino drops, I think will 2605 02:08:52.439 --> 02:08:56.399 solidify whether he is a babyface or a heel. Same 2606 02:08:56.439 --> 02:08:59.720 thing with Keys, because Key's hole gimmick is that he's 2607 02:08:59.760 --> 02:09:03.960 from ends with Jacob and he doesn't like seeing Jacob 2608 02:09:04.039 --> 02:09:08.880 cow tewing to to to reigns in the bloodline. So again, 2609 02:09:09.239 --> 02:09:12.479 all this stuff that's individual makes sense, but until you 2610 02:09:12.640 --> 02:09:16.560 get that is the bloodline a heal faction or face faction, 2611 02:09:17.399 --> 02:09:21.960 It depends on whether Ellie Knight, He's and everybody else 2612 02:09:22.039 --> 02:09:26.840 involved or right or wrong. So I'm interested in the storyline, 2613 02:09:27.159 --> 02:09:30.079 but the problem is that I just binged all of 2614 02:09:30.119 --> 02:09:32.560 that and that's what I got out of it. If 2615 02:09:32.600 --> 02:09:35.159 I'm watching it across the span, I think it's been 2616 02:09:35.640 --> 02:09:39.000 three months at least that this has been going on, 2617 02:09:40.760 --> 02:09:44.399 and you don't have solidified who's on what side, and 2618 02:09:44.439 --> 02:09:48.920 you're just seeing stuff happen. You're there's nothing going on. 2619 02:09:49.239 --> 02:09:54.760 So while the story itself for me compacted, I understand 2620 02:09:54.800 --> 02:09:58.880 and it works for me. Not everybody's gonna binge it over, 2621 02:09:59.000 --> 02:10:01.399 you know, binge what is it like? Almost twenty hours 2622 02:10:01.439 --> 02:10:04.479 of wrestling over the span of two days, you know. 2623 02:10:04.760 --> 02:10:07.760 So I mean, you know, and you you are also 2624 02:10:07.960 --> 02:10:12.279 asking a question that may not be one that they 2625 02:10:12.399 --> 02:10:16.119 have any interest in addressing, because and I do this 2626 02:10:16.279 --> 02:10:19.239 has been booked in this you know, it's ambiguity leads 2627 02:10:19.239 --> 02:10:22.039 to ambivalence. The crowd like selling night, but other than that, 2628 02:10:22.199 --> 02:10:24.439 they're just looking around, going I kind of want to 2629 02:10:24.479 --> 02:10:26.479 pop for Solo, but I like Jay, and I kind 2630 02:10:26.479 --> 02:10:28.119 of want to pop for La, but I kind of 2631 02:10:28.159 --> 02:10:30.520 liked you. It's just a mess. And then poor Royce 2632 02:10:30.640 --> 02:10:33.880 Keys is part of this ambiguous situation where he's opposite 2633 02:10:33.920 --> 02:10:37.000 that USO's and Jacob, who fans actually really like most 2634 02:10:37.079 --> 02:10:40.479 of the time they love, you know, Jacob's the badass, 2635 02:10:40.600 --> 02:10:43.479 Jay's the you know, and all of a sudden Royce 2636 02:10:43.520 --> 02:10:45.720 has to be opposite of them trying to get himself 2637 02:10:45.800 --> 02:10:50.960 over and he's getting no response because so this has 2638 02:10:51.039 --> 02:10:53.840 just been a mess. And so I do not have 2639 02:10:54.079 --> 02:10:55.760 and I'm not saying you have faith, but I believe 2640 02:10:55.800 --> 02:10:58.319 I have even less confidence in you that there is 2641 02:10:58.399 --> 02:11:01.960 going to be something that happens that may makes sense 2642 02:11:02.560 --> 02:11:06.560 and addresses who's the because I don't think there is 2643 02:11:06.760 --> 02:11:08.840 anything that I can come up with that will look 2644 02:11:08.920 --> 02:11:11.199 back and go, oh, that was what they were planning 2645 02:11:11.239 --> 02:11:13.720 all along, and it was a good decision, and now 2646 02:11:13.760 --> 02:11:16.640 all the cards are in place. I haven't. I haven't. 2647 02:11:17.079 --> 02:11:19.319 I haven't meditated on a mountain about it. So maybe 2648 02:11:19.319 --> 02:11:20.960 there is something you know like that I'm not thinking of. 2649 02:11:21.520 --> 02:11:25.079 And and my my argument is, I'm hopeful that they 2650 02:11:25.760 --> 02:11:32.800 are cognizant of how unbearably ambiguous and contradictory our emotions 2651 02:11:32.840 --> 02:11:36.039 are watching this and it's and it is a necessary 2652 02:11:36.199 --> 02:11:39.359 evil to get to a payoff that will make us 2653 02:11:39.399 --> 02:11:41.920 go it was worth it. I don't know what that is, 2654 02:11:42.439 --> 02:11:44.159 but I hope that they don't think this is just 2655 02:11:44.239 --> 02:11:47.840 good compelling storytelling, because whoa nobody knows what to think. 2656 02:11:47.960 --> 02:11:50.359 Isn't this great? We're all just yelling at each other, 2657 02:11:51.119 --> 02:11:53.399 Ela and I's getting genuine Pops. Don't undercut that with 2658 02:11:53.479 --> 02:11:56.279 a heel turn. Jacobot two people love, Let's get to it, 2659 02:11:56.439 --> 02:11:58.359 whatever gonna do. He should be your one of your 2660 02:11:58.359 --> 02:12:01.439 top three baby faces in this company. And I would 2661 02:12:01.600 --> 02:12:04.079 push him at the expense of of spending Roman reigns 2662 02:12:04.119 --> 02:12:06.720 as a top babyface act and turning in full fledged heel. 2663 02:12:07.159 --> 02:12:08.880 But I don't think it's a horrible decision not to 2664 02:12:08.880 --> 02:12:11.600 turn Roman rains heal. But to me, I think it's juicy. 2665 02:12:11.760 --> 02:12:14.640 I think Baby Faced Jacoba two haven't enough for Roman. 2666 02:12:15.039 --> 02:12:17.159 That's a story I want to watch. I don't is 2667 02:12:17.199 --> 02:12:19.399 it best for business. That's a whole you know, we 2668 02:12:19.439 --> 02:12:22.479 can have a whole side discussion on that. But and 2669 02:12:22.560 --> 02:12:24.199 then the USO's it's like they got to choose what 2670 02:12:24.199 --> 02:12:26.880 they're gonna be. They're just like they're just they're bouncing around. 2671 02:12:26.920 --> 02:12:29.279 Jimmy was a levelhead of one, then he's not. Jay 2672 02:12:29.399 --> 02:12:31.680 is happy, go lucky, yeat, and now he's like, yeah, 2673 02:12:31.720 --> 02:12:36.159 he's kind of petty and and abrasive solo we don't know, 2674 02:12:36.239 --> 02:12:38.560 but he's kind of entertaining when he's you know, riffing 2675 02:12:38.640 --> 02:12:40.800 on people. So I kind of like him, but maybe 2676 02:12:40.840 --> 02:12:44.840 he'll betray night. None of that to me, I'm not 2677 02:12:44.880 --> 02:12:46.479 sitting here going, Okay, it's one of these two or 2678 02:12:46.520 --> 02:12:49.119 three scenarios. I don't see any scenario that makes sense 2679 02:12:49.159 --> 02:12:50.479 of any of the of the journey we've been on 2680 02:12:50.680 --> 02:12:53.399 hoavier And I think it's it's part of that that 2681 02:12:53.560 --> 02:12:57.079 issue without to be where there's just too much dismissing 2682 02:12:57.840 --> 02:12:59.720 of the idea that you know what, maybe we should 2683 02:12:59.720 --> 02:13:01.279 be a litle more clear about this, because I do 2684 02:13:01.399 --> 02:13:05.159 think people don't want to dispassionately watch things. I think 2685 02:13:05.279 --> 02:13:07.680 they want to be in. They want to be invested 2686 02:13:07.720 --> 02:13:08.600 in in an outcome. 2687 02:13:09.840 --> 02:13:12.840 Well you and you you you mentioned that the faith 2688 02:13:12.880 --> 02:13:16.680 I have in it. What puts me more on your 2689 02:13:16.800 --> 02:13:20.000 level is also the fact that they are also changing 2690 02:13:20.079 --> 02:13:23.600 on the fly too, because I usually, you know, I 2691 02:13:23.760 --> 02:13:26.399 don't like bringing up rumors when I read online and 2692 02:13:26.560 --> 02:13:30.640 the social media is unless it's unless the only rumors 2693 02:13:30.680 --> 02:13:32.319 and stuff that you bring because I know the work 2694 02:13:32.359 --> 02:13:36.439 that you do. But you know, they they right now 2695 02:13:36.479 --> 02:13:41.199 they're talking about like how with the baby face reaction 2696 02:13:41.439 --> 02:13:43.359 that Sola has been getting that they might stretch that 2697 02:13:43.399 --> 02:13:46.520 they weren't expecting that they might stretch that out. The 2698 02:13:46.600 --> 02:13:49.000 reason he's getting that baby face reaction is because since 2699 02:13:49.079 --> 02:13:53.640 people don't have they're not attached to the character. Because 2700 02:13:53.760 --> 02:13:58.359 the characters are ambivalent, you really can't be attached to Yeah. 2701 02:13:59.159 --> 02:14:01.079 Well no, I think a building also works because like 2702 02:14:01.479 --> 02:14:08.560 Elle Knight, he respected Jay, but now that he's back 2703 02:14:08.600 --> 02:14:10.640 with the bloodline and he thinks that the bloodline is 2704 02:14:10.640 --> 02:14:14.239 the same thing as bloodline one point, oh, he's afraid 2705 02:14:14.279 --> 02:14:15.920 the bloodline one point, oh, is gonna be a problem. 2706 02:14:15.960 --> 02:14:17.199 We don't know if he's if it's true or not, 2707 02:14:17.319 --> 02:14:20.000 we don't know if he's mistaken. So we don't know 2708 02:14:20.199 --> 02:14:22.560 whether yeah, you're you know you're right because the bloodline 2709 02:14:22.640 --> 02:14:24.439 is bad or or no, because you know there's a 2710 02:14:24.479 --> 02:14:27.920 different there's a different flavor bloodline. So you don't know 2711 02:14:28.119 --> 02:14:30.840 whether you want to be cheering for Elle Knight to 2712 02:14:31.039 --> 02:14:33.880 get you know what he what? You know what what 2713 02:14:34.000 --> 02:14:37.079 he wants to do. You don't know if you know. 2714 02:14:37.159 --> 02:14:41.239 Because Jacob Fattou is sticking with Roman because he lost honorably. 2715 02:14:41.279 --> 02:14:43.520 He's doing an honorable thing. That's a babyface thing to do, 2716 02:14:43.800 --> 02:14:45.680 to follow the honor, even if you're working for a 2717 02:14:45.760 --> 02:14:49.159 bad guy, because your your words, more is more, more, 2718 02:14:49.199 --> 02:14:52.560 your your your your your bond, and Key's is trying 2719 02:14:52.560 --> 02:14:56.000 to take him away from that. Now is gonna is 2720 02:14:56.239 --> 02:14:58.680 the reality? Rain is gonna be a good influence on 2721 02:14:59.159 --> 02:15:02.159 Jacob Fatou because you know, he was a technically good 2722 02:15:02.159 --> 02:15:05.600 influence on Jay J. Became an event because of what 2723 02:15:05.760 --> 02:15:10.960 Roman did. So is Jacob Fattou getting put under Roman's 2724 02:15:11.000 --> 02:15:13.479 wing a good thing for him? Well, then Hey's wrong 2725 02:15:13.560 --> 02:15:16.079 for pulling him out. So again, until we know what 2726 02:15:16.279 --> 02:15:18.000 it is, people are not going to be invested in 2727 02:15:18.039 --> 02:15:19.840 whether you want to see Keys succeed in pulling out 2728 02:15:19.920 --> 02:15:23.520 Jacob or not. So because you don't have any strong 2729 02:15:23.560 --> 02:15:25.840 feelings on whether you want who you want to succeed. 2730 02:15:25.960 --> 02:15:30.479 Because you don't know what their ultimate motivations are, you're 2731 02:15:30.600 --> 02:15:34.920 left with only cheering one of two things, the story, 2732 02:15:35.359 --> 02:15:38.199 which is muddled, so you can't cheer the story either. 2733 02:15:39.039 --> 02:15:42.760 So what you're left is who's entertaining Memore Right now, 2734 02:15:43.199 --> 02:15:46.560 Solo's the one that's most entertaining with his goofiness. So 2735 02:15:47.319 --> 02:15:50.520 I'm now I'm reading on line. Half of the stuff 2736 02:15:50.560 --> 02:15:53.560 I get from wrestling Twitter is oh, you got to 2737 02:15:53.640 --> 02:15:56.720 keep so Babyface. If they turn him back, he'll be stupid. 2738 02:15:57.000 --> 02:15:58.960 Everyone wants them to be Babyface because he's. 2739 02:15:58.920 --> 02:16:02.319 Charming, like you said, yeah you know, and and I 2740 02:16:02.399 --> 02:16:03.680 don't go no, go ahead. 2741 02:16:03.920 --> 02:16:07.119 And Elle Knight because La Knight cuts great promos. You know, 2742 02:16:07.640 --> 02:16:08.760 those are the people they're cheering for. 2743 02:16:09.159 --> 02:16:09.199 You. 2744 02:16:09.680 --> 02:16:12.159 You know, keyses out in the out in the cold 2745 02:16:12.239 --> 02:16:14.159 because he's not the same love of promos as the 2746 02:16:14.199 --> 02:16:16.159 other two. Plus we don't know him too well, so 2747 02:16:16.239 --> 02:16:18.840 that's why he's getting tapid reactions, you know. 2748 02:16:19.239 --> 02:16:21.880 Yeah, So this what this comes down to is you know, 2749 02:16:21.960 --> 02:16:23.680 I had a YouTube short up on this. It kind 2750 02:16:23.720 --> 02:16:25.800 of said it like, W should just figure out who 2751 02:16:25.920 --> 02:16:27.840 do you know? They're fan based enough to know who 2752 02:16:27.840 --> 02:16:30.119 do they like, and then position them against people who 2753 02:16:30.279 --> 02:16:34.840 who fans don't like. Amplify without needless contradictions. 2754 02:16:34.920 --> 02:16:35.239 What it is. 2755 02:16:35.280 --> 02:16:37.280 It makes people dislike some of your wrestlers and like 2756 02:16:37.399 --> 02:16:41.360 other wrestlers. It shouldn't be solo is entertaining. That's kind 2757 02:16:41.360 --> 02:16:43.079 of the john S and I hope we entertained you tonight, 2758 02:16:43.120 --> 02:16:45.799 where fans feel entitled to be entertained and they think 2759 02:16:46.079 --> 02:16:48.239 it's their job to sit in the stands and decide 2760 02:16:48.280 --> 02:16:50.040 how what entertains them the most, and that's what they're 2761 02:16:50.040 --> 02:16:52.600 going to root for. And it's a layer removed from 2762 02:16:52.639 --> 02:16:54.799 that buy in, which is I just want to see 2763 02:16:54.840 --> 02:16:56.399 Sammy Luz, you know, like I just want to see 2764 02:16:56.399 --> 02:16:58.200 Sammy win in Montreal. I want to see Sammy Luz. 2765 02:16:58.239 --> 02:17:01.479 Now that's the peak fan experience and W shouldn't lose 2766 02:17:01.520 --> 02:17:04.440 their way because they're on Wrestling Twitter constantly and they're 2767 02:17:04.559 --> 02:17:07.879 thinking what will entertain the fans the most. They're answering 2768 02:17:09.280 --> 02:17:11.319 what will entertain the fans the most is not option 2769 02:17:11.479 --> 02:17:14.079 A or B. It's over there behind the curtain, which 2770 02:17:14.159 --> 02:17:17.200 is something else entirely, which is not what's most entertaining, 2771 02:17:17.559 --> 02:17:21.799 But it's who are fans predisposed to like, what can 2772 02:17:21.840 --> 02:17:23.719 we do to amplify and intensify that so that they 2773 02:17:23.760 --> 02:17:26.159 want to pay money to see them win? And then 2774 02:17:26.200 --> 02:17:29.680 the opposite with the heels, So that should not be 2775 02:17:29.719 --> 02:17:31.920 Solo's entertaining. Let's keep on baby face. The story should 2776 02:17:31.920 --> 02:17:33.600 be what's a good story that we're telling that's going 2777 02:17:33.639 --> 02:17:36.239 to lead to a heal face dynamic, And that might 2778 02:17:36.360 --> 02:17:39.319 mean muting some things that are entertaining about solo. Entertainment 2779 02:17:39.440 --> 02:17:41.200 is not the goal, even though it's in the name 2780 02:17:41.680 --> 02:17:42.360 of the company. 2781 02:17:42.440 --> 02:17:42.600 Now. 2782 02:17:43.840 --> 02:17:45.879 It is getting fans to buy in and be emotionally 2783 02:17:45.920 --> 02:17:48.559 invested in an outcome. That might mean muting some of 2784 02:17:48.600 --> 02:17:51.000 the things that are entertaining about some of these wrestlers. 2785 02:17:51.879 --> 02:17:53.479 So anyway, m. 2786 02:17:55.319 --> 02:17:58.360 Okay, moving on, Okay, the goal should have been I 2787 02:17:58.399 --> 02:18:01.760 think the goal should have been once uh Rams won 2788 02:18:01.840 --> 02:18:05.239 the title, the goal should have just have been at 2789 02:18:05.280 --> 02:18:08.239 the blow lack together, you should have gotten the actual 2790 02:18:08.760 --> 02:18:12.760 fans invested in wanting to get everybody back back back together, 2791 02:18:13.520 --> 02:18:16.399 and that's been lost because I think, ultimple, that's what 2792 02:18:16.520 --> 02:18:19.719 you want, you know, uh, you know so so, and 2793 02:18:19.920 --> 02:18:22.639 that's been lost because now you don't because because they 2794 02:18:22.719 --> 02:18:26.200 want to complicated. I think to buy time. I think 2795 02:18:26.200 --> 02:18:28.719 that's what they're doing. They're buying time to get to 2796 02:18:28.799 --> 02:18:31.879 the position. But the problem is that the one question 2797 02:18:32.600 --> 02:18:34.920 that had the mystery box is they like calling it 2798 02:18:34.959 --> 02:18:39.440 in Hollywood the mystery box. It's been an entire season 2799 02:18:39.559 --> 02:18:41.159 and we don't know what's in that box. 2800 02:18:41.600 --> 02:18:43.440 And I've talked about this. I think that what we're 2801 02:18:43.479 --> 02:18:46.000 seeing now as a result of bogging backwards from Survivor 2802 02:18:46.120 --> 02:18:49.639 series and they didn't. They just didn't have enough material 2803 02:18:49.799 --> 02:18:53.760 or it's not coaching enough in their heads to execute 2804 02:18:53.799 --> 02:18:57.879 it in a way that that is not just entertaining 2805 02:18:58.040 --> 02:19:02.559 or interesting, but since and pulls you in emotionally, so 2806 02:19:02.639 --> 02:19:04.920 you're buying into something and rooting for something and rooting 2807 02:19:04.959 --> 02:19:08.440 against something that's not happening. It's it is muddled. It's 2808 02:19:08.520 --> 02:19:11.399 not flailing. Flailing was lead up to WrestleMania. They were 2809 02:19:11.520 --> 02:19:14.559 flailing to try to spark interest and the McAfee was 2810 02:19:14.600 --> 02:19:16.600 the most prominent thing, but other things were flailing. This 2811 02:19:16.799 --> 02:19:20.360 is just muddled, just muddled, going in all right, I 2812 02:19:20.440 --> 02:19:23.280 want to wrap up Rother Toby soon here, so let's 2813 02:19:23.559 --> 02:19:27.159 hit going through all this. Any additional thoughts on that. 2814 02:19:28.120 --> 02:19:29.079 No, I don't think we hit that. 2815 02:19:29.399 --> 02:19:33.120 Yeah, so the Bella is in page against Fatal Influence. 2816 02:19:33.120 --> 02:19:33.760 Any thoughts on that? 2817 02:19:35.079 --> 02:19:38.280 I don't really care, but it seems to be setting 2818 02:19:38.399 --> 02:19:41.920 up page and page. The only one I want to 2819 02:19:41.920 --> 02:19:44.959 talk about Nick and Brie to challenge for the titles 2820 02:19:45.079 --> 02:19:46.479 so they could win it, because that was what was 2821 02:19:46.479 --> 02:19:47.559 supposed to happen originally. 2822 02:19:48.200 --> 02:19:53.000 All right, night, Two quick thoughts? Anything more tricking Corbin? 2823 02:19:54.280 --> 02:19:54.399 Uh? 2824 02:19:54.760 --> 02:19:56.920 Nope, all right, Sammy and Finn? Anything more on that? 2825 02:19:58.520 --> 02:20:01.360 Samy and Finn. This was when I was writing the primer. 2826 02:20:01.399 --> 02:20:02.959 This is the one was least interested in, and they 2827 02:20:03.079 --> 02:20:05.360 made it like probably the second most interesting match on 2828 02:20:05.920 --> 02:20:07.360 What is a Horrible Night Too? 2829 02:20:08.440 --> 02:20:08.639 Yes? 2830 02:20:09.479 --> 02:20:09.639 Yes? 2831 02:20:10.680 --> 02:20:13.280 Bearing the lead as we run through this, the women's 2832 02:20:13.360 --> 02:20:15.719 five way in ladder match for the interim title. We 2833 02:20:15.799 --> 02:20:17.840 have Charlotte and Jade. We talked about Chelsea being sort 2834 02:20:17.840 --> 02:20:21.000 of the dark horse that people are rooting for. Last 2835 02:20:21.079 --> 02:20:23.120 legend getting a decisive win, which was smart. It's just 2836 02:20:23.239 --> 02:20:25.840 unfortunate's expensive, Julie if you believe Julia has more potential, 2837 02:20:26.120 --> 02:20:30.280 and then Tiffany is just Tiffany. So any any thoughts. 2838 02:20:31.040 --> 02:20:35.200 The the what most tempers me, uh with Chelsea Green 2839 02:20:35.280 --> 02:20:38.719 winning is mainly that the feel good win is going 2840 02:20:38.799 --> 02:20:39.479 to be gable. 2841 02:20:39.600 --> 02:20:45.399 I think, all right, Dan Housen dom. 2842 02:20:47.159 --> 02:20:48.600 My perdition. I think that a lot of people are 2843 02:20:48.639 --> 02:20:52.159 to be angry. I think that's what they wrote. Uh yeah, 2844 02:20:52.600 --> 02:20:56.319 it's gonna be a thing. Basically, everything Dan House has 2845 02:20:56.360 --> 02:20:59.799 been done doing since since then has been has been 2846 02:20:59.799 --> 02:21:05.319 between mildly entertaining and just ultra cringe. So that's it's 2847 02:21:05.360 --> 02:21:08.000 a shame. And by the way, what happened to miss. 2848 02:21:10.280 --> 02:21:12.879 Oh yeah he's he well and and. 2849 02:21:13.040 --> 02:21:20.079 Yeah and uh I will say Kit, but Kit Wilson, Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, 2850 02:21:20.159 --> 02:21:22.719 what happened to them? They just they got electrocuted. And 2851 02:21:22.760 --> 02:21:23.799 I don't think we've seen them since. 2852 02:21:25.000 --> 02:21:26.440 You know, what's fun is I haven't thought about it. 2853 02:21:27.520 --> 02:21:27.920 Do we care? 2854 02:21:29.159 --> 02:21:29.200 No? 2855 02:21:29.319 --> 02:21:32.680 They should? That should maybe they maybe they are involved 2856 02:21:32.719 --> 02:21:33.799 in this and they're I don't. 2857 02:21:34.040 --> 02:21:36.959 I don't even want to think about it. It really, 2858 02:21:37.799 --> 02:21:41.239 I don't know. There's something about that the money and 2859 02:21:41.319 --> 02:21:43.719 you know, you know me, I'm into this crazy stuff, 2860 02:21:43.840 --> 02:21:46.840 you know, and I'm into the more clown stuff, and 2861 02:21:47.000 --> 02:21:49.079 I'm just this is just not working for me at all. 2862 02:21:49.680 --> 02:21:53.280 Maybe uh, Miss and Kit steal the money and Dan 2863 02:21:53.360 --> 02:21:56.799 Houson and Dom unite and it's Dom's baby face turn 2864 02:21:58.600 --> 02:22:03.159 All right enough. iPhone users, if you're listening to us 2865 02:22:03.200 --> 02:22:05.959 on the Native podcast app on your iPhone, you can 2866 02:22:06.079 --> 02:22:09.639 unlock our commercial free versions of our free shows by 2867 02:22:09.719 --> 02:22:13.319 searching PW Torch in Apple Podcasts. You'll see a charcoal 2868 02:22:13.319 --> 02:22:15.799 grade logo that says PW Torch VIP on it. 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Enjoy a 2876 02:22:35.840 --> 02:22:39.440 streamline listening experience to our free shows and unlock all 2877 02:22:39.520 --> 02:22:42.200 the VIP exclusives, including our post pay per view roundtables, 2878 02:22:42.280 --> 02:22:45.079 the wad Keller news bulletins, Everything with Rich and Wade, 2879 02:22:45.280 --> 02:22:47.479 The Fix that I host with Todd Martin, and a 2880 02:22:47.639 --> 02:22:51.040 variety of other VIP exclusives. Just search PW Torch in 2881 02:22:51.159 --> 02:22:56.920 your Apple podcast app. Sadler says, salad version three in 2882 02:22:56.920 --> 02:22:58.879 the checkos, Kit Wilson another hot character they threw in 2883 02:22:58.920 --> 02:23:02.840 the ice bath down for no reason. All right, Uh, 2884 02:23:04.600 --> 02:23:09.639 Penta and Chad Gable one on one, there's a little 2885 02:23:09.680 --> 02:23:13.680 bit of this minute. Uh. Minnesota Star Tribune, our top newspaper, 2886 02:23:13.799 --> 02:23:17.040 had a historian Chad Gable today or call him from 2887 02:23:17.520 --> 02:23:20.120 Grizzled veteran columnist Patrick ROYCEI I saw it, I didn't 2888 02:23:20.120 --> 02:23:23.040 read it yet, so I got to read that. They 2889 02:23:23.079 --> 02:23:25.360 did a nice vignette on him on a previous show. 2890 02:23:25.360 --> 02:23:27.040 What Yeah, what are your what are your what are 2891 02:23:27.040 --> 02:23:28.760 your thoughts? When they booked this. First of all, it 2892 02:23:28.879 --> 02:23:30.840 just plays into like, let's not give fans anyone to 2893 02:23:31.040 --> 02:23:33.399 just one hundred percent root for Let's make it. Let's 2894 02:23:33.479 --> 02:23:35.760 let's make every every person you cheer for you feel 2895 02:23:35.760 --> 02:23:37.000 guilty because you like the other guy too. 2896 02:23:38.000 --> 02:23:41.360 Yeah, that that does also come up. But I mean 2897 02:23:41.399 --> 02:23:43.319 it's interesting because when I gave this more thought, because 2898 02:23:43.319 --> 02:23:46.959 it's a comes full circle because Penta was the whole 2899 02:23:47.479 --> 02:23:53.000 Grand Americano started when when Penta beat beat Gable, and 2900 02:23:53.120 --> 02:23:55.239 that's you know, that's when Gable decided that he can't 2901 02:23:55.239 --> 02:23:58.120 beat the loocha door, so he created the uh, the gimmick. 2902 02:23:58.200 --> 02:24:01.239 So essentially it comes full circle and he's you know, uh. 2903 02:24:01.959 --> 02:24:05.239 On paper, it should be like a heartwarming and everything, 2904 02:24:05.360 --> 02:24:11.040 but you know the issue that most of the most 2905 02:24:11.079 --> 02:24:14.600 of the stuff happened in Mexico and Triple A. A 2906 02:24:14.680 --> 02:24:17.479 lot of the drama happened there, and it feels more 2907 02:24:17.639 --> 02:24:20.120 like you're supposed to these are the emotions we're expecting 2908 02:24:20.159 --> 02:24:24.479 you to feel. But it's sadly it we just haven't uh, 2909 02:24:25.360 --> 02:24:27.280 we haven't gotten had enough time with this version of 2910 02:24:27.280 --> 02:24:29.680 the Gable to really really care for him to Hey, 2911 02:24:29.760 --> 02:24:31.760 this is he's finishing his story and. 2912 02:24:31.840 --> 02:24:35.000 He's Yeah, Gable's not a great charismatic baby face character. 2913 02:24:35.600 --> 02:24:38.520 Is there any chance that they booked this because one 2914 02:24:38.559 --> 02:24:39.639 of the others turning heel? 2915 02:24:44.239 --> 02:24:47.639 I mean, if if Gable turns heel, it's because they 2916 02:24:47.719 --> 02:24:50.639 gave up on what they're trying to do. Tent to 2917 02:24:50.719 --> 02:24:52.239 Heel might be interesting. 2918 02:24:52.399 --> 02:24:56.280 I don't know, Yeah, yeah, I know that crossed my mind. 2919 02:24:56.360 --> 02:24:59.159 I mean, he's popular and you could do that. But 2920 02:24:59.280 --> 02:25:03.120 if they I could see that elevating him and there's 2921 02:25:03.840 --> 02:25:06.799 a lot of potential for different matchups that might freshen 2922 02:25:06.879 --> 02:25:09.440 him up. It might be a chance to move up 2923 02:25:09.879 --> 02:25:12.200 the card a bit if he's I don't know, I 2924 02:25:12.239 --> 02:25:14.479 don't know how you I don't have in my mind 2925 02:25:14.559 --> 02:25:16.600 how you would how you fully fleshed out how you 2926 02:25:16.719 --> 02:25:19.879 do it. But I'm kind of intrigued with something kind 2927 02:25:19.920 --> 02:25:22.479 of surprising and if they find a way to make 2928 02:25:22.520 --> 02:25:23.079 that work. 2929 02:25:23.680 --> 02:25:27.000 If there were if they were doing a heel pens 2930 02:25:27.040 --> 02:25:29.600 of the way that he was in uh Luca Underground 2931 02:25:29.799 --> 02:25:31.559 where he was just like breaking people's arms and stuff. 2932 02:25:32.120 --> 02:25:33.959 You know, obviously don't do that because that's you know, 2933 02:25:34.040 --> 02:25:37.120 you can't do that, But like something that where he's 2934 02:25:37.159 --> 02:25:40.000 like an aggressive and not you know, an aggressive fighter. 2935 02:25:40.920 --> 02:25:43.920 I'd like to see that. I just don't trust that 2936 02:25:44.000 --> 02:25:45.879 they would do what they need to do with the 2937 02:25:45.920 --> 02:25:46.440 heel penta. 2938 02:25:47.799 --> 02:25:50.200 Yeah, that's fair, all right, Seth Roman. 2939 02:25:51.360 --> 02:25:54.239 Yeah, I mean a lot of the stuff I have 2940 02:25:54.319 --> 02:25:56.520 to say had tied you know, ties into you know, 2941 02:25:56.760 --> 02:25:59.479 is Ram's heel babyface. You know what, where we're supposed 2942 02:25:59.479 --> 02:26:00.000 to feel about it? 2943 02:26:00.079 --> 02:26:01.399 It the. 2944 02:26:03.280 --> 02:26:06.319 Overall I you could have just told the story of 2945 02:26:06.360 --> 02:26:08.360 their history and that's it and leave it at that 2946 02:26:08.719 --> 02:26:11.040 and not bring up the fact that Romans was a 2947 02:26:11.079 --> 02:26:13.719 broad promo for most of his career, and don't bring 2948 02:26:13.799 --> 02:26:15.920 up the fact that management was the one who uh 2949 02:26:16.639 --> 02:26:19.680 who uh who put him in that position that was 2950 02:26:19.840 --> 02:26:27.680 completely unnecessary. Uh. I mean I liked uh Seth Rollins 2951 02:26:27.680 --> 02:26:31.040 talking about how there are different types of wrestlers where 2952 02:26:31.319 --> 02:26:33.719 it's where he's I mean, he essentially said Roman was 2953 02:26:33.760 --> 02:26:36.280 the wrestler who does what he does, does what he's 2954 02:26:36.319 --> 02:26:38.200 told and hopes to get rich. Well, he's the one 2955 02:26:38.239 --> 02:26:41.719 who cares about the actual art of wrestling. I just 2956 02:26:42.040 --> 02:26:44.319 don't think they got there the right way, and they 2957 02:26:44.399 --> 02:26:47.840 got they got that through the meta realm, which is 2958 02:26:47.920 --> 02:26:53.200 again unnecessary. I mean, seriously, just you know, the the 2959 02:26:53.719 --> 02:26:57.360 the you've never beaten to me when it counts was 2960 02:26:57.680 --> 02:27:00.440 just about enough, and we're about to retire. You never 2961 02:27:00.559 --> 02:27:03.000 be you know, like the moments that you remember are 2962 02:27:03.120 --> 02:27:06.079 me getting over on you, you know, uh, breaking up 2963 02:27:06.120 --> 02:27:08.879 the shield that was me getting over on you, cashing 2964 02:27:08.920 --> 02:27:12.239 in at rest at WrestleMania. That's me getting over on you, 2965 02:27:13.440 --> 02:27:15.399 you know, me winning the title and the three way 2966 02:27:15.479 --> 02:27:18.159 with Punk and taking your your your wise man, that 2967 02:27:18.319 --> 02:27:20.239 was me getting over on you. You might have won, 2968 02:27:20.440 --> 02:27:22.600 but the big moments that people are been remember of these, 2969 02:27:23.000 --> 02:27:24.600 you know, the biggest and the most important cash of 2970 02:27:24.639 --> 02:27:26.719 all time, and this is your last chance to do 2971 02:27:26.840 --> 02:27:29.760 something about it. You know that that was That's strong 2972 02:27:29.840 --> 02:27:33.360 enough storyline, you know all the other way you went. 2973 02:27:33.799 --> 02:27:37.200 I am hoping to push the reaction to Seth's promo 2974 02:27:37.879 --> 02:27:40.719 about you you got you know, your favorite by management, 2975 02:27:40.760 --> 02:27:42.920 and it wasn't like there's a way to pull that off. 2976 02:27:43.000 --> 02:27:45.479 And in like my my ideas like Roman, when you 2977 02:27:45.639 --> 02:27:48.639 when you became nomber contender and magically happened right before 2978 02:27:48.719 --> 02:27:50.280 big shows that could put you on the poster because 2979 02:27:50.280 --> 02:27:52.520 they thought you were more marketable and for me I 2980 02:27:52.680 --> 02:27:54.120 to win money at the bank and sneak in like 2981 02:27:54.159 --> 02:27:56.000 you can weave it into k fab, You can weave 2982 02:27:56.040 --> 02:27:59.559 into the storyline to say you got favorite and preferential 2983 02:27:59.639 --> 02:28:03.879 treatment because people go, well, it's true they perceive you 2984 02:28:03.920 --> 02:28:06.040 as more marketable, and you go, well, management, Vince wasn't 2985 02:28:06.040 --> 02:28:09.360 crazy to think that. But you can also make fun 2986 02:28:09.440 --> 02:28:13.440 of Rains for sort of flailing trying to be something 2987 02:28:13.479 --> 02:28:15.399 he wasn't, to try to fit a mold, to live 2988 02:28:15.440 --> 02:28:17.600 in the foot to follow in the footsteps of the 2989 02:28:17.600 --> 02:28:19.959 people who came before him. Again, you can do that 2990 02:28:20.040 --> 02:28:21.280 in a way where it feels like it was a 2991 02:28:21.399 --> 02:28:23.680 choice by Roman, not something scripted for him to do. 2992 02:28:24.040 --> 02:28:27.440 There is a sophisticated, nuanced way to do what Seth 2993 02:28:27.559 --> 02:28:29.799 was trying to do. But he was so hacked, so derivative, 2994 02:28:29.879 --> 02:28:33.280 so tired, so blah with what he did that I 2995 02:28:33.440 --> 02:28:35.639 hope it is a wake up call. Maybe the Grayce 2996 02:28:35.639 --> 02:28:37.760 and Waller thing is not encouraging an encouraging sign on 2997 02:28:37.879 --> 02:28:40.159 NXT on Tuesday, Harve you feel about that, that it's 2998 02:28:40.200 --> 02:28:42.079 time to move away from that stuff because it's not 2999 02:28:42.280 --> 02:28:45.159 shocking anymore. It's not like, oh my god, you won't 3000 02:28:45.159 --> 02:28:47.760 believe what just happened. Seth broke the fourth wall. That's 3001 02:28:47.760 --> 02:28:50.360 not what people want anymore. It's like the attention economy 3002 02:28:50.440 --> 02:28:52.440 used to be, oh my god, I can follow people 3003 02:28:52.479 --> 02:28:54.040 on social media and talk to them, and now it's 3004 02:28:54.079 --> 02:28:57.520 like the new flex is not being on social media. 3005 02:28:57.520 --> 02:29:00.319 It's the new flex is not having the latest technology 3006 02:29:00.399 --> 02:29:03.920 and not being a mark and a victim pulled into 3007 02:29:03.959 --> 02:29:07.000 the attention economy where they're just giving you this world 3008 02:29:07.079 --> 02:29:09.479 that doesn't exist but you think it does by feeding 3009 02:29:09.520 --> 02:29:12.399 you with an algorithm something that they know you're addicted to. 3010 02:29:12.559 --> 02:29:15.799 Like cigarettes. There was a point where something is novel 3011 02:29:15.879 --> 02:29:19.760 and new, and then it becomes some derivative, corrupt version 3012 02:29:19.799 --> 02:29:21.680 that does isn't in the spirit of what originally was, 3013 02:29:21.840 --> 02:29:24.559 Like social media has become the shoot p almost the 3014 02:29:24.600 --> 02:29:27.440 same thing. We're way past it, and Seth should know it. 3015 02:29:27.559 --> 02:29:30.799 And it shows, frankly how unsophisticated he is as a 3016 02:29:30.840 --> 02:29:32.719 student of the game that he still thinks that's the 3017 02:29:32.760 --> 02:29:34.959 approach to take. He should have the cloud to say 3018 02:29:35.040 --> 02:29:37.120 no to whatever writer handed him that stuff, or if 3019 02:29:37.120 --> 02:29:39.040 he came up with it, he should know better. There's 3020 02:29:39.120 --> 02:29:40.840 my rant on it. I hope a lesson has learned. 3021 02:29:40.879 --> 02:29:43.719 I hope Seth's like, WHOA, I didn't realize this stuff 3022 02:29:43.799 --> 02:29:45.799 was pass so much and people hated it. Now I 3023 02:29:45.840 --> 02:29:48.479 won't do it anymore because, frankly, since then, Cody and 3024 02:29:48.520 --> 02:29:50.719 Punke didn't step in it, and Seth was better about 3025 02:29:50.719 --> 02:29:53.200 it this week, So I am hoping it's all worth it. 3026 02:29:53.239 --> 02:29:54.920 In the end that Seth did that, Javier, so we 3027 02:29:54.959 --> 02:29:59.799 don't get it ever again anymore, regardless of whatever Grace 3028 02:30:00.079 --> 02:30:02.159 did and how you feel about that realm. 3029 02:30:03.719 --> 02:30:05.920 Yeah, let's retire to the pipe on promost. 3030 02:30:07.079 --> 02:30:11.559 Yes, let's retire talking about anything other than does it 3031 02:30:11.799 --> 02:30:15.200 pass through the filter of People get pushes because they win. 3032 02:30:15.559 --> 02:30:18.360 People are champion because they win matches. People are on 3033 02:30:18.479 --> 02:30:23.159 TV because it's the the powers behind the scenes give 3034 02:30:23.239 --> 02:30:25.959 TV time to winners. You get on Sunday Night Football 3035 02:30:25.959 --> 02:30:29.600 because you have a winning record. Is there a bias 3036 02:30:29.680 --> 02:30:33.600 for New York Giants or the Cowboys? Yes, but you 3037 02:30:33.719 --> 02:30:37.319 don't get chosen to win because you're the Cowboys. You 3038 02:30:37.440 --> 02:30:40.239 still have to win. That's why I say there's a nuance, 3039 02:30:40.280 --> 02:30:42.239 sophisticated way to do what Seth was trying to do 3040 02:30:42.399 --> 02:30:43.520 and he failed at it. 3041 02:30:44.719 --> 02:30:49.000 SmackDown with samu's Ain. Sam's Ain is complaining that that 3042 02:30:49.280 --> 02:30:52.959 that Punk and uh and and Cody keep getting all 3043 02:30:52.959 --> 02:30:57.239 the shots, but he's complaining with something where you know, yes, 3044 02:30:58.040 --> 02:31:01.840 in the UFC, the guy guy who has a fifty 3045 02:31:02.360 --> 02:31:05.200 you know, a five hundred record but is super charismatic 3046 02:31:05.440 --> 02:31:07.600 might get a title shot or who never lost the title. 3047 02:31:08.639 --> 02:31:10.600 Well, like with in Bump's case and Cody as the 3048 02:31:10.600 --> 02:31:11.920 act champ who didn't get a fair rematch. 3049 02:31:12.520 --> 02:31:14.079 Well, no, but what I'm saying it's like like like 3050 02:31:14.239 --> 02:31:18.399 you could make a complaint about management screwing you over 3051 02:31:19.239 --> 02:31:21.159 for for those reasons, for you know, because you're not 3052 02:31:21.280 --> 02:31:23.520 you're you know, because they want the charismatic guy have 3053 02:31:23.559 --> 02:31:25.760 a shout at the title. You can make those and 3054 02:31:26.000 --> 02:31:29.159 and things made those those comments, you know, but when 3055 02:31:29.200 --> 02:31:31.719 you start talking about because I mean, I think the 3056 02:31:31.920 --> 02:31:33.639 kicker for me was when he starts talking about you 3057 02:31:33.680 --> 02:31:38.920 can't cut a promo. And by the way, Knight heads 3058 02:31:38.959 --> 02:31:41.360 into that direction a few times too, so you know 3059 02:31:41.600 --> 02:31:45.280 that that's when you start with you know, this was 3060 02:31:45.319 --> 02:31:47.479 a long time ago. Why are you bringing this back 3061 02:31:47.559 --> 02:31:50.600 up now? You know you don't want people thinking about 3062 02:31:50.639 --> 02:31:53.719 that Roman Reigns is still your top draw. Why the 3063 02:31:53.799 --> 02:31:54.959 hell are you bringing this up? 3064 02:31:57.479 --> 02:31:58.719 That's why I felt that, that's why I didn't like 3065 02:31:58.760 --> 02:32:01.760 Punkin' Roman. Maybe it's just there was this residual they're 3066 02:32:01.799 --> 02:32:05.879 both they're both jerks and pricks and ego egotistical, and 3067 02:32:05.920 --> 02:32:08.360 they all have these these fault lines that just got 3068 02:32:09.159 --> 02:32:13.479 got amplified and drawn attention drawn to them in the build. 3069 02:32:13.520 --> 02:32:15.719 Stop doing it. Treat your protect your stars, treat them 3070 02:32:15.799 --> 02:32:17.360 like big deals. But if you're going to have someone 3071 02:32:17.440 --> 02:32:19.600 rip on someone, have it be a baby face making 3072 02:32:19.680 --> 02:32:22.840 good points about a heel that is within the realm 3073 02:32:22.879 --> 02:32:24.799 of if this were real, that's what would have been said. 3074 02:32:24.879 --> 02:32:27.799 You've got to filter it through. If this were in 3075 02:32:28.000 --> 02:32:31.559 actual sport, would this be being said. And if you 3076 02:32:31.680 --> 02:32:36.479 can pull it off, pull it off. But if you can't, 3077 02:32:36.520 --> 02:32:38.159 don't go there like if you can't pull that off 3078 02:32:38.200 --> 02:32:39.440 and make it seem like something that would be said 3079 02:32:39.440 --> 02:32:42.319 if real. There was storyline justification for Punk and Cody 3080 02:32:42.360 --> 02:32:44.280 having a one on one match for all kinds of reasons, 3081 02:32:45.680 --> 02:32:48.040 not all kinds like dozens, but like two or three 3082 02:32:48.079 --> 02:32:52.079 good reasons. It made sense. And but Sammy also as 3083 02:32:52.200 --> 02:32:55.120 his character, you understand why Sammy feels he's been overlooked. 3084 02:32:55.760 --> 02:32:58.559 Now there's a danger that the heat is on management. 3085 02:32:58.639 --> 02:33:00.799 It's like in dough to Be Unreal or Paul of 3086 02:33:01.000 --> 02:33:03.360 X like in this By the way, w Unreal backs 3087 02:33:03.440 --> 02:33:06.000 up my contention that John Cenas has for among the 3088 02:33:06.200 --> 02:33:09.680 top stars of the last fifty years, bottom ten percent 3089 02:33:09.719 --> 02:33:14.000 of Wrestling IQ in terms of understanding the industry. He 3090 02:33:14.040 --> 02:33:17.639 has a completely fundamental different view of the business that 3091 02:33:18.680 --> 02:33:21.440 does not serve anybody else but him, including calling himself 3092 02:33:21.479 --> 02:33:24.360 the last world champion while he's retiring and he thinks 3093 02:33:24.399 --> 02:33:27.120 that's his way to give back. While he's touting himself 3094 02:33:27.159 --> 02:33:29.079 for putting NXT wrestlers on a show that he's on, 3095 02:33:30.479 --> 02:33:35.079 not the highest wrestling IQ, not even close, and he's 3096 02:33:35.120 --> 02:33:36.959 out there saying, yeah, I want to have bad matches 3097 02:33:37.000 --> 02:33:40.520 despite the fans. And I noticed another showjave here. Terry 3098 02:33:40.559 --> 02:33:42.440 Taylor used to do that on house shows w h W. 3099 02:33:42.520 --> 02:33:45.040 House shows, like fans would taunt him and if he 3100 02:33:45.600 --> 02:33:48.040 they for having arest hoole. This is like circa nineteen 3101 02:33:48.079 --> 02:33:49.719 eighty seven, and they' give him a hard time at 3102 02:33:49.760 --> 02:33:51.280 a house show for doing a rest hole and they'd 3103 02:33:51.319 --> 02:33:52.520 be like, well, I'm gonna sit in the ud shout, 3104 02:33:52.520 --> 02:33:53.760 I'm going to stay in this for ten minutes to 3105 02:33:53.799 --> 02:33:57.200 spite you, like you know, like he was a heel, 3106 02:33:57.280 --> 02:33:58.840 and he was like, you guys are marks two. I'm 3107 02:33:58.840 --> 02:34:00.879 gonna turn you marts. You think smart, you're not those 3108 02:34:00.920 --> 02:34:03.120 you know, the emergence of the observer in the torch 3109 02:34:03.200 --> 02:34:05.319 and and and you know quote so called smart fans 3110 02:34:05.319 --> 02:34:08.200 and sheet raiders. So that's been done at a house 3111 02:34:08.200 --> 02:34:10.719 show in front of a couple thousand people. John Cena's idea, 3112 02:34:11.559 --> 02:34:15.600 Paulaveck responded to by going, I'm sorry, John, but it's 3113 02:34:16.040 --> 02:34:18.799 the heat's gonna be on us, the company management. It's 3114 02:34:18.840 --> 02:34:20.000 not gonna be on you as a heel. If you 3115 02:34:20.079 --> 02:34:23.159 have boring matches, they're gonna blame us for authorizing something 3116 02:34:23.760 --> 02:34:26.120 really low iq and stupid. It's a bad idea. He 3117 02:34:26.200 --> 02:34:27.959 put it as nicely as he can, because everyone pussy 3118 02:34:27.959 --> 02:34:29.719 flips around John seene it because he's a big star 3119 02:34:30.040 --> 02:34:31.680 and he thinks he knows a lot more than he does. 3120 02:34:32.079 --> 02:34:34.040 And when he leaves the room, everyone exhales and goes, 3121 02:34:34.040 --> 02:34:38.440 thank god he's gone, because he's phony and everyone I 3122 02:34:38.479 --> 02:34:40.399 can't say everyone feels that way, but a lot of 3123 02:34:40.399 --> 02:34:44.120 people feel that way. So there's bad ideas about how 3124 02:34:44.159 --> 02:34:46.639 to get heal heat, and then there's good ideas on 3125 02:34:46.719 --> 02:34:49.360 how to get heal heat. But if you're if you're blaming, 3126 02:34:49.639 --> 02:34:53.959 if your promo is blaming management for bad decisions, that's 3127 02:34:54.000 --> 02:34:55.879 not how you sell a match. That's how you pick 3128 02:34:55.959 --> 02:34:59.319 at scabs in a way that breaks the immersion that 3129 02:34:59.799 --> 02:35:02.079 you that you want immersion, You want fans to buying, 3130 02:35:02.079 --> 02:35:03.799 you want that peak fan experience. When you pick up 3131 02:35:03.840 --> 02:35:06.879 scabs of the past of decisions management made, that's not 3132 02:35:06.959 --> 02:35:09.760 getting people to care about the match. It's causing scabs 3133 02:35:09.799 --> 02:35:12.600 to be picked and bleed again. Stop doing it and 3134 02:35:12.760 --> 02:35:14.559 session no better scene. It should know better. But there's 3135 02:35:14.559 --> 02:35:17.079 a lot of people with main event matches who don't 3136 02:35:17.120 --> 02:35:19.639 sit and watch the product, and they're on social media 3137 02:35:19.680 --> 02:35:21.680 and they have this little bubble that algorithm fed them, 3138 02:35:21.680 --> 02:35:23.040 and they think that's the whole world, and then we 3139 02:35:23.120 --> 02:35:24.920 get crap like that promo heavier. 3140 02:35:25.440 --> 02:35:29.360 Yeah, I mean the you know, I think you hit 3141 02:35:29.399 --> 02:35:31.760 one one one now, this particularly talking about like past 3142 02:35:31.840 --> 02:35:35.120 since those are the ones that are like even worse 3143 02:35:35.120 --> 02:35:37.520 because like you know, like on a on a like again, 3144 02:35:37.600 --> 02:35:40.639 you know, goother has had you know, GOOZI can can 3145 02:35:40.719 --> 02:35:42.840 plame that's manage and screwed them, you know, because they 3146 02:35:42.920 --> 02:35:46.479 literally they pull them out of the rink or you 3147 02:35:46.520 --> 02:35:48.799 know stuff like that. You know, so so you from 3148 02:35:48.879 --> 02:35:51.120 their perspective, you talk about it, but you're talking about 3149 02:35:51.120 --> 02:35:54.799 it within the actual structure of the show itself. You know, 3150 02:35:55.120 --> 02:35:58.040 you're not talking about outside of you're not talking about 3151 02:35:58.079 --> 02:36:01.639 tko is the one who who booked it. You'ren't talking 3152 02:36:01.639 --> 02:36:04.879 about the bookers. You're talking about like you know, the 3153 02:36:05.360 --> 02:36:08.600 matchmakers within you know, you're talking about Pierce, You're talking 3154 02:36:08.639 --> 02:36:13.239 about uh Aldis as as the bad guys, and you're 3155 02:36:13.239 --> 02:36:15.959 putting you know whatever, you know, your complaints on them, 3156 02:36:16.120 --> 02:36:18.840 which you know works. But at the same time, I'm 3157 02:36:18.879 --> 02:36:21.879 putting that with the caveat, don't use complaints that people 3158 02:36:22.000 --> 02:36:25.360 actually see is real, because then you're actually thinking about, 3159 02:36:25.600 --> 02:36:27.840 you know, you know what, what's what's going on? 3160 02:36:29.360 --> 02:36:30.280 Being an annoying pest. 3161 02:36:30.959 --> 02:36:34.319 Yeah, well, I mean you you know, because like because 3162 02:36:34.360 --> 02:36:37.600 I mentioned that, don't bring up I don't like the 3163 02:36:37.639 --> 02:36:41.479 idea they're calling uh unless the idea is to turn 3164 02:36:41.479 --> 02:36:43.799 a meal. I don't like the idea you're bringing up 3165 02:36:43.959 --> 02:36:46.559 Cody as the golden boy and eating it over and 3166 02:36:46.639 --> 02:36:50.559 over again, because you're going to start people are gonna 3167 02:36:50.600 --> 02:36:53.520 start booing him because he's the golden boy, you know. So, 3168 02:36:54.920 --> 02:36:57.120 I mean I think the ship sailed on Plump being 3169 02:36:57.120 --> 02:36:58.959 a hypocrite because I think everybody, even his fans, know 3170 02:36:59.079 --> 02:37:01.719 he's a hypocrite, you know. So I think that that 3171 02:37:01.959 --> 02:37:03.680 that he's he's tef love when it comes to that. 3172 02:37:04.360 --> 02:37:07.000 But but don't bring up those kinds of things. Don't 3173 02:37:07.000 --> 02:37:10.159 bring up you know, Rain's being you know. I'll tell 3174 02:37:10.200 --> 02:37:12.079 you what. One of the things that I've kind of 3175 02:37:12.520 --> 02:37:15.760 been lost some interest in Rands is his baby face 3176 02:37:15.840 --> 02:37:18.399 matches him going back to the Superman punch and he 3177 02:37:18.479 --> 02:37:21.520 wrestling more babyface style than he used to. And I'm like, no, 3178 02:37:21.840 --> 02:37:23.399 do what the stuff that he used to do before, 3179 02:37:23.760 --> 02:37:26.319 keep with the rest holds and the and and those 3180 02:37:26.399 --> 02:37:28.799 kind of moves. Stopped giving me the flashing moves because 3181 02:37:29.040 --> 02:37:32.920 you're not cool doing the Superman punch. So that wasn't 3182 02:37:32.920 --> 02:37:33.200 a side. 3183 02:37:33.239 --> 02:37:36.959 Sorry, that's okay, Hey, we we have Besides, it's baked 3184 02:37:37.000 --> 02:37:39.280 into the show format, uh seven eleven. So this has 3185 02:37:39.280 --> 02:37:41.959 it been discussed about the possibility of returns of Randy Orton, 3186 02:37:42.000 --> 02:37:44.399 Kevin Owner through McIntyre hoavier. Did that into your mind 3187 02:37:44.479 --> 02:37:46.559 right in the primer as it entered your mind? Or 3188 02:37:46.600 --> 02:37:48.000 what do you think of the possibility now that I 3189 02:37:48.079 --> 02:37:48.360 bring it. 3190 02:37:48.399 --> 02:37:52.680 Up, I have learned, don't expect them on the show. 3191 02:37:53.440 --> 02:37:56.920 Expect them on the day after the show, with very 3192 02:37:57.000 --> 02:38:02.879 few exceptions, and in this case maybe in Orton, if 3193 02:38:02.879 --> 02:38:10.360 they're gonna continue the Orton uh uh uh Cody feud. 3194 02:38:10.680 --> 02:38:13.319 If they're gonna continue that, maybe Orton ends up getting 3195 02:38:13.319 --> 02:38:15.959 involved in that match, and that that that's nowt I 3196 02:38:16.079 --> 02:38:18.319 was trying to keep away from too many because one 3197 02:38:18.319 --> 02:38:19.639 of the things I know is a lot of my primers. 3198 02:38:19.680 --> 02:38:22.239 But I'm expecting interference in every match. But they've been 3199 02:38:22.280 --> 02:38:27.360 pretty good not having those in on their on their 3200 02:38:27.840 --> 02:38:30.159 on the bailey. So i've i've i've I've moved away 3201 02:38:30.159 --> 02:38:32.719 from that unless something makes obvious sense. So I had 3202 02:38:32.760 --> 02:38:35.840 a hard time to figure out who between punk and 3203 02:38:36.479 --> 02:38:40.000 and uh and Cody if they're both gonna stay babyface. 3204 02:38:40.840 --> 02:38:43.559 One way would be if Orton gets involved or Kay Okay. Also, 3205 02:38:43.600 --> 02:38:46.479 I had bad blood with with he was Yeah, he 3206 02:38:46.520 --> 02:38:48.760 was feeding with Cody before he got in. He got injured, right, 3207 02:38:49.959 --> 02:38:52.319 you know the McIntyre, I don't want to put him in. 3208 02:38:52.520 --> 02:38:56.000 I think McIntyre, if he shows up, will be later. 3209 02:38:56.079 --> 02:38:57.520 And I don't even know where you're gonna put him 3210 02:38:57.520 --> 02:38:58.920 in because I don't don't. I don't see where he 3211 02:38:59.000 --> 02:38:59.760 fits in right now. 3212 02:39:00.159 --> 02:39:03.319 Heal opponent just about to say that, about to say that. 3213 02:39:05.360 --> 02:39:11.760 Yeah, searching for more great Pro Wrestling Talk, then join 3214 02:39:11.840 --> 02:39:14.559 me Jason Powell host him the three weekly Pro Wrestling 3215 02:39:14.639 --> 02:39:17.520 Boom Podcast. Each week he'll hear the latest news and 3216 02:39:17.559 --> 02:39:19.840 analysis for me and my team at Pro Wrestling Dot 3217 02:39:19.920 --> 02:39:22.799 need along with other pro wrestling media members. Plus the 3218 02:39:22.879 --> 02:39:26.360 Pro Wrestling Boom Podcast features long form interviews with notable 3219 02:39:26.440 --> 02:39:30.280 names in the pro wrestling industry. Subscribe and iTunes, Stitcher, Downcast, 3220 02:39:30.360 --> 02:39:33.440 and all your favorite secondary apps, or visit us directly 3221 02:39:33.479 --> 02:39:37.319 at pw boom dot com. Once again, that's pw boom 3222 02:39:37.559 --> 02:39:38.040 dot com. 3223 02:39:41.079 --> 02:39:42.680 All right, real quicks. I want to wrap up in 3224 02:39:42.719 --> 02:39:45.639 a minute super chat for Derek Mitchell Wade. Random question. 3225 02:39:45.680 --> 02:39:47.600 As a lifelong fan, has any wrestling moment ever brought 3226 02:39:47.600 --> 02:39:49.520 you to tears for me as much a man winning 3227 02:39:49.520 --> 02:39:52.639 the WF Championship at WrestleMania nine and his nineteen ninety 3228 02:39:52.680 --> 02:39:55.479 one proposal to Miss Elizabeth. Derek the thank you for 3229 02:39:55.520 --> 02:39:58.360 the super chat, by the way, dinners on you tomorrow. 3230 02:39:58.360 --> 02:40:01.600 I appreciate it. These questions get me in trouble because 3231 02:40:01.600 --> 02:40:04.159 at age sixteen, I started prossing Torch. I did so 3232 02:40:04.319 --> 02:40:07.479 with the goal to be a journalist, and I enjoy 3233 02:40:07.760 --> 02:40:11.360 watching wrestling, and I had almost ten years of being 3234 02:40:12.079 --> 02:40:13.559 just a fan, like eight years of being just a 3235 02:40:13.680 --> 02:40:18.440 fan and experiencing peak fan experiences and thinking a death 3236 02:40:18.559 --> 02:40:20.760 match meant someone was gonna die when Matt Dog Vshan 3237 02:40:20.799 --> 02:40:23.639 and Crusher Jerry Blackwell at a death match, and I 3238 02:40:23.680 --> 02:40:25.879 got to see Brewiser Brody and Crusher Blackwell have brawls 3239 02:40:25.920 --> 02:40:27.879 of the century in my eyes, and got to see 3240 02:40:27.879 --> 02:40:30.360 the rise of Whole Commnia and Bobby Heenan at his 3241 02:40:30.440 --> 02:40:33.479 absolute best as a manager in my hometown promotion. I 3242 02:40:33.520 --> 02:40:36.399 got to see the wrestling wars in front of me. 3243 02:40:36.520 --> 02:40:38.559 I remember where I was when I saw the WrestleMania 3244 02:40:38.559 --> 02:40:40.639 commercial and realized I was going to get to watch 3245 02:40:40.639 --> 02:40:42.959 at WDW event live on close circuit, and I was 3246 02:40:42.959 --> 02:40:45.719 so excited about that. And I got to experience World 3247 02:40:45.719 --> 02:40:48.239 Class Championship wrestling brought at Dallas, Texas at its peak, 3248 02:40:48.280 --> 02:40:50.399 being in syndication and planning my weekends around it at 3249 02:40:50.440 --> 02:40:56.280 five pm on Channel twenty nine every week, absolutely like that. 3250 02:40:58.479 --> 02:41:01.120 It was so awesome to grow up in the era 3251 02:41:01.239 --> 02:41:02.799 that I did, getting the tail end of the end 3252 02:41:02.840 --> 02:41:05.040 of the territories and then being in the midst of 3253 02:41:05.120 --> 02:41:08.920 the wrestling wars and the territorial the drop off the territories, 3254 02:41:08.959 --> 02:41:11.239 but also the wrestling blocks where you got to see 3255 02:41:11.319 --> 02:41:14.399 five shows from all over the country on Saturday morning 3256 02:41:15.200 --> 02:41:19.079 or Sunday morning, and wrestling blocks in syndication, and I 3257 02:41:19.159 --> 02:41:21.799 got to experience and see and like on TV almost 3258 02:41:21.840 --> 02:41:23.719 every territory that I was reading about in the magazines 3259 02:41:23.719 --> 02:41:25.200 for years but didn't get to see the wrestlers. And 3260 02:41:25.239 --> 02:41:29.120 then everybody came to town WWF aw a WCW or 3261 02:41:29.159 --> 02:41:32.559 Jim Crockett and wa Mid South World Class Promise but 3262 02:41:32.680 --> 02:41:34.760 never did. And I got to be part of seeing 3263 02:41:35.040 --> 02:41:37.319 the burgeoning indie scene when indie wrestling got really big. 3264 02:41:38.319 --> 02:41:43.159 All that said, I don't remember ever coming to Tears 3265 02:41:44.239 --> 02:41:46.000 for sure after I started the Torch, because I just 3266 02:41:46.079 --> 02:41:47.840 had to cover wrestling and look at wrestling through a 3267 02:41:47.879 --> 02:41:51.840 different lens being a journalist, and so no I was 3268 02:41:51.879 --> 02:41:53.200 looking at how am I gonna write about this? Is 3269 02:41:53.239 --> 02:41:55.040 it best for business? Is this a good angle? Is 3270 02:41:55.040 --> 02:41:57.559 going to draw ratings? Is it funny? Is it effective? 3271 02:41:57.680 --> 02:41:59.959 How are other fans reacting to it? It just chained 3272 02:42:00.920 --> 02:42:04.200 my perspective. I felt a responsibility in that way to 3273 02:42:04.280 --> 02:42:07.200 do so. And then before that, I don't think as 3274 02:42:07.239 --> 02:42:10.159 a kid, I teared up, like watching Matt doc Vashan 3275 02:42:10.479 --> 02:42:13.760 Finally Avenge crushed Jerry Blackwell in a death match. But 3276 02:42:13.840 --> 02:42:16.000 I might have, but I don't remember that. So there's 3277 02:42:16.280 --> 02:42:19.520 there's my answer to it. When people ask like that 3278 02:42:19.680 --> 02:42:22.040 kind of question of me, it does it kind of 3279 02:42:22.079 --> 02:42:25.360 goes against the lens through which I've watched wrestling since 3280 02:42:25.440 --> 02:42:28.120 I was a teenager. Because I started the torch so young, 3281 02:42:28.479 --> 02:42:31.239 kind of shifted me into a different gear. Javier, how 3282 02:42:31.239 --> 02:42:31.559 about you? 3283 02:42:32.639 --> 02:42:38.040 Well, Uh, I crawl like a little bit. But when 3284 02:42:38.120 --> 02:42:41.959 it comes to wrestling, I would say top of mine 3285 02:42:42.319 --> 02:42:45.479 was the match made in uh match made in Heaven? 3286 02:42:45.559 --> 02:42:48.360 Matchmaker match made in uh in Heaven? 3287 02:42:49.799 --> 02:42:49.920 Uh? 3288 02:42:50.239 --> 02:42:54.399 Maybe also the Proposal. I'm not sure about that one. 3289 02:42:54.879 --> 02:42:59.280 I also cried when Undertaker was killed and that killed 3290 02:42:59.360 --> 02:43:00.319 him was young. 3291 02:43:00.479 --> 02:43:02.920 It was on your twentieth birthday. I remember that, yep. 3292 02:43:04.399 --> 02:43:09.959 And the most recent was the wasbray Waite's return. Okay, 3293 02:43:10.239 --> 02:43:10.959 when are you getting back? 3294 02:43:11.200 --> 02:43:11.520 All right? 3295 02:43:11.600 --> 02:43:16.440 Uh? Like, uh, we everybody everybody in the because I 3296 02:43:16.520 --> 02:43:20.920 think I was watching it with my my, uh my 3297 02:43:21.040 --> 02:43:24.200 brother and his wife and like at least she and 3298 02:43:24.360 --> 02:43:26.399 she and I were bowling, so because she because he 3299 02:43:26.479 --> 02:43:28.840 was her favorite wrestler. So when when he came out 3300 02:43:28.879 --> 02:43:31.159 and just like the the emotion and like the croad 3301 02:43:31.280 --> 02:43:33.399 is going nuts for him, and you know, and and 3302 02:43:34.000 --> 02:43:36.000 you know the stuff that that that that was that 3303 02:43:36.159 --> 02:43:38.920 was a moment that's not to include like obviously the 3304 02:43:39.639 --> 02:43:41.000 wrestling fatalities and stuff like that. 3305 02:43:41.200 --> 02:43:46.680 So Prink Category seven eleven can sneak this in. I 3306 02:43:46.719 --> 02:43:48.719 think Kevin Owens sides with Sammy if he sent a 3307 02:43:48.760 --> 02:43:51.719 program with Punk and he causes and because Punk versus 3308 02:43:51.799 --> 02:43:53.879 K is something I need to see. So maybe when 3309 02:43:53.879 --> 02:43:57.000 we're talking about wrestlers coming in, Kevin Owens and Sammy 3310 02:43:57.000 --> 02:43:59.120 almost have to be aligned or a post but involved 3311 02:43:59.159 --> 02:44:02.360 in the same story. And obviously see him Punk and 3312 02:44:02.600 --> 02:44:05.680 Kevin Owens could be fantastic in some form or fashion. 3313 02:44:05.920 --> 02:44:07.440 I just hope we have a designated heel in a 3314 02:44:07.520 --> 02:44:11.120 face and if Punk turned heel and Kao's a baby 3315 02:44:11.200 --> 02:44:13.280 face and Ko comes in and explains why Sammy has 3316 02:44:13.319 --> 02:44:15.239 been making sense, but let me help my friend get 3317 02:44:15.639 --> 02:44:19.479 grounded again, and he's he's been hysterical and I can 3318 02:44:19.520 --> 02:44:21.440 talk him out of it. We'll get our old Sammy back. 3319 02:44:21.680 --> 02:44:23.200 But in the meantime, I got one more run in 3320 02:44:23.280 --> 02:44:24.799 me as world champ and see him Punk, You've been 3321 02:44:24.840 --> 02:44:27.680 pissing me off. I mean, I like, I, let's do. 3322 02:44:27.760 --> 02:44:32.200 It dude for me. Uh see him punk heel and 3323 02:44:32.479 --> 02:44:34.440 because of the stuff that Punk has been telling uh 3324 02:44:34.680 --> 02:44:38.959 to to his wife seeing Uh seeing seeing Punk be 3325 02:44:39.079 --> 02:44:42.280 the motivation that gets Johnny wrestling. It's a stand up 3326 02:44:42.440 --> 02:44:45.120 that would be you know, and then have as the 3327 02:44:45.200 --> 02:44:45.639 crowd go. 3328 02:44:45.760 --> 02:44:51.920 Nuts yep salarsion three about crying. By the way, I'm 3329 02:44:51.920 --> 02:44:54.200 not emotion Salagion three. So I'm not emotional and never 3330 02:44:54.280 --> 02:44:56.319 cry watching stuff. But I randomly was channel surfing and 3331 02:44:56.319 --> 02:44:58.399 stopped that hbca versus Flair in the post match almost 3332 02:44:58.399 --> 02:45:00.719 got me, which is weird because I've watched that match before. 3333 02:45:01.280 --> 02:45:01.639 L L. 3334 02:45:03.399 --> 02:45:07.719 Goodfella says Bray's return was awesome. Sean Puss click to 3335 02:45:07.799 --> 02:45:09.920 Us says fans are going to cheer Ko one hundred percent, 3336 02:45:09.959 --> 02:45:11.760 which is why I turned punk Heel for my scenario 3337 02:45:11.799 --> 02:45:16.639 because yeah, I don't. Yeah, I think as good as 3338 02:45:16.680 --> 02:45:18.879 Punk is, I just don't. I don't. I don't think 3339 02:45:18.879 --> 02:45:23.520 he can get cheered against Ko unless Ko is really 3340 02:45:23.639 --> 02:45:28.440 up for the challenge, really up for the challenge. Derek says, uh, 3341 02:45:29.120 --> 02:45:30.760 that was great emotional moment for me, but my two 3342 02:45:30.799 --> 02:45:32.799 moments as a teenager was as a teenager in the 3343 02:45:32.840 --> 02:45:33.600 eighties with Savage. 3344 02:45:33.680 --> 02:45:33.840 Yep. 3345 02:45:33.879 --> 02:45:37.760 I get that, all right? 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