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<v Speaker 1>All right, welcome everyone. It's very very very special episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doctor Scott.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm doctor Shiloh.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is La Not So Confidential, the Forensic Psychology

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<v Speaker 1>and True Crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Each episode we explore the intersection of psychology, the criminal

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<v Speaker 2>justice system, and entertainment.

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<v Speaker 1>And today is a very special episode, not like an

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<v Speaker 1>after school special, but today is our two hundredth episode celebration.

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<v Speaker 1>And like slack jawed, wide eyed, what the hell, how

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<v Speaker 1>did we do this? This is crazy? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm laughing because Scott didn't get the link for this.

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<v Speaker 2>I have wires coming out of my headphones because after

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<v Speaker 2>nearly eight frickin' years, I didn't charge my headphones.

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<v Speaker 1>Just you know, it's just our regular stuff. The way

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<v Speaker 1>we go down, this is the way we were all.

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<v Speaker 2>This is us. Yeah, sure, Oh my gosh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>so wild to reflect on this. Thanks guys for being

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<v Speaker 2>here for an impromptu two hundredth episode. Real quick, to

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<v Speaker 2>just get this out of the way, let's do our

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<v Speaker 2>last episode recap. So in our last episode, we chatted

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<v Speaker 2>with the incredible women behind Rebel Tours out of London,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had attended there. Jack the Ripper Tour called

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<v Speaker 2>what about the women last year when we went to

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<v Speaker 2>Crime Con and so we just knew we had to

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<v Speaker 2>have them on Behind the Couch. We discussed their empathetic

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<v Speaker 2>and feminist approach to the historical events within the realm

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, also talking about ethical true crime tourism

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<v Speaker 2>and history. So what we did, because this is our

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<v Speaker 2>two hundredth, we ended up labeling that episode of bonus,

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<v Speaker 2>just to make the numbers work. But moving forward are

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<v Speaker 2>Behind the Couch episodes for the year, for the month

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<v Speaker 2>will be regular numbered episodes. So I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>let you guys know what to expect because here we

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<v Speaker 2>told you what we're going to do and then it

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<v Speaker 2>was like bonus. But we had to figure out something

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<v Speaker 2>to make this the two hundredth.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it is a milestone on many levels for us,

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<v Speaker 1>so many things to talk about. I mean, it's an

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<v Speaker 1>achievement for anybody that's in content creation, you know, who's

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<v Speaker 1>brave enough to try and you know, put your stuff

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<v Speaker 1>out there and see how the world reacts and if

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<v Speaker 1>you have a voice. And I don't think we had

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that we'd be around this long and doing

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<v Speaker 1>as much as we have. It kind of crept up

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<v Speaker 1>on us. Really it's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I can think back to that first recording

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<v Speaker 2>in your apartment, and I think on our intan we

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<v Speaker 2>just like took a selfie afterwards and we were like,

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<v Speaker 2>we think we just recorded our first episode. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I had any idea of like what the

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<v Speaker 2>hell this would be, and it's been pleasantly surprising and wonderful,

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<v Speaker 2>and we want to do like just start off with

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a retrospective, a little look back,

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<v Speaker 2>and we can't possibly list everything that these last seven

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<v Speaker 2>plus years have brought us and brought you, but we

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<v Speaker 2>thought it would be kind of fun to start off

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<v Speaker 2>by looking backwards. We do have some guests that are

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<v Speaker 2>going to then pop in in about twenty five minutes

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<v Speaker 2>or so, and then we're going to answer some questions,

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<v Speaker 2>some Q and a read some feedback from you guys

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<v Speaker 2>that you told us favorite episodes, favorite moments, things like that,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you want to add those in the chat,

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<v Speaker 2>we will do our best to monitor that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have something that you want to just.

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<v Speaker 1>Add live absolutely, I want to do something that I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't really talked about much before. For getting started with this,

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<v Speaker 1>there was such certainly true crime content has winnowed down

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<v Speaker 1>over the last few years, and it's really kind of

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<v Speaker 1>amazing that we've managed to stay afloat. I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 1>very much a niche podcast. We get very academic at times.

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<v Speaker 1>We want people to be educated and we want you

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<v Speaker 1>to know about what's going on and enjoy it, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But we had a pretty small listener base really for

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<v Speaker 1>probably the first six months. And then a dear friend

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<v Speaker 1>of mine from college that I was able to reconnect

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<v Speaker 1>with over Facebook over the last decade or so who

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<v Speaker 1>is a true crime fan, mentioned us on a Reddit

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<v Speaker 1>discussion board, and that's when we blew up to the

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<v Speaker 1>extent that we did, like literally within a couple of weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>like all of our episodes were just being listened to

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<v Speaker 1>and listen to and listen to. So Noel, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>so much for that, because you were the one that

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<v Speaker 1>just happened to drop it in a discussion and that

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<v Speaker 1>comment didn't get banned, I guess, and it led to this.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, this is really exciting that in seven and

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<v Speaker 1>a half years, here we are.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, blew up is relative, and we know that

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<v Speaker 2>blew up for us, you know, just you know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was just kind of a push to get us on

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<v Speaker 2>the radar of other people that decided to stick around

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<v Speaker 2>because they liked our stuff. So yeah, definitely an interesting

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<v Speaker 2>moment to look back on too. So how should we

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<v Speaker 2>do this? Just kind of talk year by year?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's let's talk about it. Let's start off in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen, which, like I can't believe, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>it's got long ago. Now can we just.

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<v Speaker 2>Go back the good old days? Oh boy, we knew anything.

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<v Speaker 1>The good old days right right, and the salad days.

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<v Speaker 1>We started in October because we recorded our first episode

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<v Speaker 1>on September twenty third, twenty seventeen, like you were saying,

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<v Speaker 1>in my old apartment, and we entered you our first

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<v Speaker 1>guest in twenty seventeen. Very close to that first episode,

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<v Speaker 1>we were over at our friend Justin NIE's apartment, which

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<v Speaker 1>was good. We didn't know what we're doing. How do

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<v Speaker 1>we interview somebody? We had no equipment. We found this

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful young filmmaker and audio specialist, great, great guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>he set us up with Jen Haley, a really brilliantly

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<v Speaker 1>talented writer who worked on mind Hunter and has done

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<v Speaker 1>you know, many other things and including writing an award

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<v Speaker 1>winning play that everybody should still read to this day.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, I mean I don't know if people remember

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<v Speaker 2>like that first year, like not calendar year, but first year.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we have had four guests on the show

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred episodes, right, not including the behind the couch stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but on the main episodes, we've had four guests, and

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<v Speaker 2>Jen was our very first one when we were still

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<v Speaker 2>I think, trying to figure out what the heck are

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<v Speaker 2>we doing here? And you had made the connection through

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<v Speaker 2>our friend Deb who was in this writing group with Jash,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were like, oh my god, Mine Hunter is

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<v Speaker 2>the best thing ever. Of course our audience would want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from her. So that's how that just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of popped up, and we interviewed you interviewed a few

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<v Speaker 2>other folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Including Jim. Your connection with Jim Fitzgerald.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I retired FBI Jim Fitzgerald, and then had

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<v Speaker 2>meaty entertainment episode, a little cropsover episode, and then Harry

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<v Speaker 2>when we talked about negotiations. So I realized pretty early

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<v Speaker 2>like I did not love doing interviewing. In those early days,

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<v Speaker 2>I felt very unskilled at it, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't love this. I absolutely love like our casual

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<v Speaker 2>behind the couch situations. That's super fun. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I just took the pressure off myself at that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it seems like it, because I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think that it's any different, and I think those they

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<v Speaker 1>do come off as casual conversations, but you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>information out of these wonderful experts and individuals who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>give their time to us. And then you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>it was like this really great publisher's award ceremony in

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly Hills, and Karen and Georgia were there from my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite Murder and I just thought, what the hell, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>and then there was just like this weird moment that

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<v Speaker 1>is totally not them because they're awesome. But I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that they were leaving to walk to their cars and

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<v Speaker 1>it was like Hollywood Boulevard. No, not Hollywood, it was No,

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<v Speaker 1>you want us to walk you to your cars? And

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<v Speaker 1>they'll look on their faces completely changed, like that says

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<v Speaker 1>he's a forensic psychologist, he's probably a killer whatever, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But they were really lovely to us, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>really cool to have kind of a starry moment with

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<v Speaker 1>these two you know icons in the true crime field.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, especially twenty eighteen, like talk about the height. I

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<v Speaker 2>was so jealous of that. That was such a cool moment.

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<v Speaker 2>And then here we are, like not even doing this

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<v Speaker 2>for a year and Scott gets invited to be the

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<v Speaker 2>first guest on the Ron Burgundy podcast. Now I shall

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<v Speaker 2>say that was handed off to us by another forensic psychologist,

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<v Speaker 2>Paula Bruce. Wonderful, Yeah, amazing, and was like, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>out of town and because she's in high demand everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>and was like here you can have this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, you know what, doctor, let me tell you something

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<v Speaker 1>to about doctor Bruce is the lady knows how to

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<v Speaker 1>take a vacation too, because if you see her social media,

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<v Speaker 1>like and she works her ass off, she has a

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<v Speaker 1>thriving business. But like, I'll see her taking a vacation.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to take a vacation. That's like I want

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<v Speaker 1>to be like doctor Bruce.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding, But that was such a treat Scott.

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<v Speaker 2>They were only going to have one forensic psychologist on

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh my god, you do it

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<v Speaker 2>like I can't. I'm terrified. That is like to sit

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<v Speaker 2>across the table from Will Ferrell, I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be able to think. But they allowed me to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the sound room while Scott was doing his thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was the best experience.

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<v Speaker 3>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It like though, because he's in characters Ron Burgundy's dressed up.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was not in he was not in address.

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<v Speaker 1>But like beforehand, meeting him was just great. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he was like absolutely kind. The entire production staff is like,

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<v Speaker 1>all seem so happy. And I told them going in,

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<v Speaker 1>like they were asking me questions about like what the

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to not giggle. I'm like, forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to find somebody else because I think he's

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<v Speaker 1>was great fun. We really appreciated that opportunity. Yeah. That

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<v Speaker 1>was also when we started recording in a police interrogation

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<v Speaker 1>room that I had access to. Yeah, that was the

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<v Speaker 1>year that we did that, because the sound quality was

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<v Speaker 1>all these like kind of sound proofing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we started to just do it after work,

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<v Speaker 2>which were very long days. I'm like, how the heck

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<v Speaker 2>did we do that after working full days at work?

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<v Speaker 2>But I also wasn't having to drive to your apartment

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<v Speaker 2>and then drive home, so it was better. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>as content creators to realize, oh wow, there are people

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<v Speaker 2>And we got to share a table with Doctor Amy,

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<v Speaker 2>but also meeting those folks was pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>would you ever encounter these people, you know, to share

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of knowledge is kind of information. It's pretty great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And then I think that same year and Rebecca.

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<v Speaker 2>obviously it worked out fine. Was that the year we

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<v Speaker 2>CityWalk as well. Very cool. Yeah, twenty nineteen was like

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Then that was when you also came up with

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<v Speaker 1>the really great idea of dabbling in vintage crimes. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean we had kind of talked about it, but then

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<v Speaker 1>also the year that Dan, my husband, for either of

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<v Speaker 1>this incredible book published in the nineteen fifties, all about

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<v Speaker 1>crimes from nineteen ten up into the fifties, and each

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember the name of that book? I literally

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<v Speaker 2>my colleague was asking me today what it was. We

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<v Speaker 2>were at the LAPD Museum today and he's like, what's

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<v Speaker 2>that book that you and doctor Scott pulled some maircases from.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on the coffee table. I'll send you a picture

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<v Speaker 2>Ye that okay, perfect, one of our many resources which

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<v Speaker 2>in and of itself, exactly. Yeah, okay, So we have

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<v Speaker 2>So I just want to kind of talk about like

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<v Speaker 2>we almost did another podcast. You guys don't know this,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's probably it's probably nice to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's it's been a while. It's been you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And we actually recorded up here, and let me not

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And unfortunately COVID shut everything down, like it just absolute.

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<v Speaker 1>like don't get too attached to any of your projects

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<v Speaker 1>because they can just disappear. Just you keep moving, you

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<v Speaker 1>keep swimming, you keep grinding, and you have another idea

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<v Speaker 1>in your back pocket. So other opportunities stand up for us.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that would have given us a whole stat too,

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<v Speaker 2>which obviously perpetuated a lot of live streaming and reaching

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<v Speaker 2>Our first guest will be able to tell us about that,

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<v Speaker 2>we lost Sukie on our ride, so we almost lost

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<v Speaker 2>the Patreon mark.

424
00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:19.799
<v Speaker 1>We lost her on the Harry Potter ride and like, yeah,

425
00:23:19.839 --> 00:23:22.640
<v Speaker 1>she was in the car next to us, and then

426
00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:24.759
<v Speaker 1>suddenly it's like, where's Sookie.

427
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:26.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, disappeared and reappeared.

428
00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Thanks Founder, We did find her, yes, But then we

429
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<v Speaker 1>really went through also with the idea that you came

430
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<v Speaker 1>up with of alternating our vintage La Crime so that

431
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<v Speaker 1>we could go back and forth and offer you know,

432
00:23:38.160 --> 00:23:41.319
<v Speaker 1>a real like things that were more current versus things

433
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<v Speaker 1>that were much farther in the past.

434
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then I mean, I don't know how we

435
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<v Speaker 2>did this, but twenty twenty two we hit our one

436
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<v Speaker 2>hundredth episode that year, which was just like a very

437
00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.559
<v Speaker 2>serious topic. We covered the epic topic of school shootings,

438
00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.240
<v Speaker 2>which I stand by is one of I think my

439
00:24:00.319 --> 00:24:02.839
<v Speaker 2>favorite episodes in the sense of like the timing and

440
00:24:02.880 --> 00:24:05.079
<v Speaker 2>the research that was coming out and the information that

441
00:24:05.119 --> 00:24:08.519
<v Speaker 2>we finally knew was just it just it stands out

442
00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.200
<v Speaker 2>for me is one of our best episodes. But we

443
00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:16.200
<v Speaker 2>also not in this order probably, but Pacific Northwest Festival,

444
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<v Speaker 2>which has not happened again, it might happen again in

445
00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:21.920
<v Speaker 2>the future, hands down one of our favorites. We presented

446
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<v Speaker 2>at the California Hostage Negotiators Conference. We did our in

447
00:24:25.359 --> 00:24:30.519
<v Speaker 2>cell presentation to about five hundred negotiators. I went to

448
00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Savannah Crime Expo, got to sit next to these knuckleheads,

449
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:37.839
<v Speaker 2>Tim and Lance. We had tables together. We had a

450
00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:40.720
<v Speaker 2>very fun time laughing at everything. We did True Crime

451
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<v Speaker 2>Podcast Festival in Dallas that year, which was always a blast,

452
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:46.200
<v Speaker 2>and then we had a table the one and only

453
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<v Speaker 2>time we've had a table at Crime con here in

454
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<v Speaker 2>the US in Vegas Post Covid was also just a

455
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<v Speaker 2>wild experience.

456
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

457
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<v Speaker 1>Another walking tour as well with our favorite tour guide

458
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<v Speaker 1>down in downtown. And then we had a great article

459
00:25:02.720 --> 00:25:06.119
<v Speaker 1>from Podcast Magazine that's on what we do. It's pretty great.

460
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

461
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

462
00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:10.880
<v Speaker 2>And since then, I mean twenty twenty three, we did

463
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<v Speaker 2>our own live show at Heritage Square Museum with two

464
00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:18.200
<v Speaker 2>of our besties, Tammy and Bryce, a Holywood paranormal and

465
00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:22.880
<v Speaker 2>of course Dan and Greg from La Meekly and broke

466
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<v Speaker 2>down one case from a crime historical and paranormal lens

467
00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:32.599
<v Speaker 2>I thought worked really well. It was sold out. It

468
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:35.039
<v Speaker 2>was a blast. It was a lot of work and

469
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of work that we did ourselves, but totally

470
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<v Speaker 2>worth it.

471
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

472
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<v Speaker 1>It was a lot of like Scramble and Jerry Rig things.

473
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<v Speaker 1>I mean it was, but it was also in like

474
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<v Speaker 1>a wonderful museum setting in a gorgeous falling apart church

475
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<v Speaker 1>that hopefully people are donating money to this wonderful museum

476
00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:54.599
<v Speaker 1>so they can restore it. It's pretty cool.

477
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<v Speaker 2>We also did crime Con UK for the first time

478
00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:02.279
<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty three and can't forget Parapod Festival.

479
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:03.079
<v Speaker 1>That was wild.

480
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, this Scott and I with our doctorate's diagnosing

481
00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:15.799
<v Speaker 2>everyone at the Parapod Fest was good times, good times,

482
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:19.559
<v Speaker 2>and did a couple of things last year too.

483
00:26:20.119 --> 00:26:23.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we went to crime Con UK again for another

484
00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:28.440
<v Speaker 1>wonderful opportunity to present again probably I mean up there

485
00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:31.519
<v Speaker 1>is the top three places we would go and present

486
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:35.119
<v Speaker 1>again really just because it's such a specialized audience. And

487
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.519
<v Speaker 1>then had a wonderful follow up to that. I mean,

488
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:42.000
<v Speaker 1>god that we were so busy last fall because we

489
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<v Speaker 1>went right from crime Con UK into the Berkshire's Podcast

490
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Festival with Josh Hallmark, which was like really well organized,

491
00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:52.960
<v Speaker 1>like there is just like they he and his staff

492
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:57.559
<v Speaker 1>just outdid themselves for the quality and organization of that.

493
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<v Speaker 1>You know. It was a one day event with a

494
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<v Speaker 1>couple of capping things on either side, a lot of fun.

495
00:27:03.839 --> 00:27:06.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, and you guys will be very proud

496
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:10.359
<v Speaker 2>of us. We have not one commitment this year to anything,

497
00:27:12.160 --> 00:27:14.599
<v Speaker 2>well except for something we're gonna host, but we'll tell

498
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:18.160
<v Speaker 2>you about that later. But we haven't committed to any festivals.

499
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.480
<v Speaker 2>We're going to see what we feel like we got

500
00:27:21.000 --> 00:27:23.440
<v Speaker 2>some man, I have a lot of travel planned already.

501
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.680
<v Speaker 2>We have a friend getting married. I have a family

502
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.640
<v Speaker 2>member getting married already. Some travel in the works, so

503
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:35.000
<v Speaker 2>we will see what pops up. But speaking of popping up,

504
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:38.279
<v Speaker 2>let's see if our first guest is ready.

505
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<v Speaker 8>Oh my god, it's our dad.

506
00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:45.559
<v Speaker 2>It's the man that.

507
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Made us daddy. I love not in a weird way.

508
00:27:52.599 --> 00:27:57.640
<v Speaker 9>Relations Thank you.

509
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:01.079
<v Speaker 2>How is it going? It's going well? Here we are.

510
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:02.720
<v Speaker 2>Do you remember the first time we met?

511
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:05.519
<v Speaker 9>I do, yes, How could I forget?

512
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:08.160
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, that's that crawl space

513
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:10.279
<v Speaker 2>guy with the blazer in the satchel.

514
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:13.599
<v Speaker 9>I can't sylenty you guys, because I was listening to

515
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:16.799
<v Speaker 9>you guys on the way I think to Chicago that yeah,

516
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.519
<v Speaker 9>for that fest, and yeah, I was I was really

517
00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:21.119
<v Speaker 9>excited to meet you guys. So yeah, I think you

518
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.559
<v Speaker 9>were the first people that I went right over to

519
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:25.359
<v Speaker 9>coming down for that festival.

520
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:30.559
<v Speaker 2>So at that time, what head so twenty seven, I'm sorry,

521
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.599
<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen, like kind of where was crawl Space at

522
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.519
<v Speaker 2>that time? Like what were you and Lancey Grace doing

523
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>with it? Like and what was your vision? Yeah, I

524
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:41.359
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

525
00:28:41.359 --> 00:28:42.559
<v Speaker 1>A good question. I don't know.

526
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 9>We started podcasting in true crime doing Missing Moramari in

527
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:52.960
<v Speaker 9>twenty fifteen, and that led to a docu series on

528
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:59.119
<v Speaker 9>the disappearance of Moramuri that ran on Oxygen in twenty seventeen.

529
00:28:59.240 --> 00:29:02.720
<v Speaker 9>So we were working on that case mostly through those

530
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:06.519
<v Speaker 9>first few years, and then we launched cross Space in

531
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:10.000
<v Speaker 9>twenty seventeen and started kind of ranching out a little

532
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:14.319
<v Speaker 9>bit more cases just other kinds of interests as well.

533
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and I think we.

534
00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:18.480
<v Speaker 9>Were right around the time where we were like, well,

535
00:29:18.559 --> 00:29:21.960
<v Speaker 9>let's like we're meeting so many fun people that we

536
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:27.519
<v Speaker 9>really like, and you know, we're sort of like accidentally networking,

537
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:31.279
<v Speaker 9>like we really didn't intentionally do that. It was just

538
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:35.039
<v Speaker 9>we like people and we liked their show, and we'd

539
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:37.279
<v Speaker 9>talk to people at festivals like you guys, and it's like,

540
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.240
<v Speaker 9>let's kind of band together a little bit, try to

541
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:45.519
<v Speaker 9>slay this dragon together. Because podcasting is a crazy industry.

542
00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:46.920
<v Speaker 2>As you guys done, it isn't it.

543
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's so many personalities, and like I was saying earlier,

544
00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of shows have come and gone.

545
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't you know, just because something's gone after just

546
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.599
<v Speaker 1>a couple of seasons doesn't mean that it's not super

547
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.240
<v Speaker 1>high quality. But I do think that it says something

548
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>about your longevity and the way you guys continue to

549
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:11.039
<v Speaker 1>create and evolve over a decade. That's wild. It's just wild.

550
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:14.359
<v Speaker 9>Well, I'm impressed with you guys, and you guys are

551
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:16.640
<v Speaker 9>almost a decade yourselves.

552
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:21.160
<v Speaker 2>And we're getting there. Yeah, Scott and I are. I

553
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:23.359
<v Speaker 2>don't know, like we've said, like, we cannot do this

554
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:25.440
<v Speaker 2>longer than ten years. We don't know what it looks like,

555
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.240
<v Speaker 2>but we're not doing this longer than tenures, So maybe

556
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:30.480
<v Speaker 2>the countdown?

557
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Why not?

558
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:34.400
<v Speaker 9>What's what's the harm?

559
00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:37.480
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, We laugh about the fact

560
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:40.599
<v Speaker 1>that we'll never run out of ideas. I mean, there's

561
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>just like there's you know, there's something. Every time we

562
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:48.839
<v Speaker 1>turn around there's another, like here's a bizarre sub sub

563
00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:52.359
<v Speaker 1>subcategory of a mental health issue that is completely related

564
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>to this crime. Let's get on it, you know.

565
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:58.079
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, it's always news that you guys can add

566
00:30:58.119 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 9>your insight to.

567
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.759
<v Speaker 2>Well, and I wouldn't mind if we back away from

568
00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:08.079
<v Speaker 2>this at some point. Well we will, but when we do,

569
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:13.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you would. But we have built, like with yourself,

570
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:16.680
<v Speaker 2>such a network. Sometimes we feel like, is there a

571
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:20.000
<v Speaker 2>podcast that has not had us speak to something in

572
00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>terms of like forensic psychology and psychological aspects of crime,

573
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:26.759
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, of course there is. But we would like

574
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:29.480
<v Speaker 2>we will always be available for all of our friends

575
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:33.160
<v Speaker 2>and anyone who wants us on to give our two cents.

576
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Obviously that would be the sweet spot where we don't

577
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:37.359
<v Speaker 2>have to do any real work. We'll just guest on

578
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.599
<v Speaker 2>everyone else else's shows. But yeah, who knows, who knows

579
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.640
<v Speaker 2>what that will look like. But I mean, you're so

580
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.440
<v Speaker 2>kind to approach us and ask us to be part

581
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:50.799
<v Speaker 2>of the network that we were like, oh my god,

582
00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:54.440
<v Speaker 2>this is this feels like a natural next step for us,

583
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.839
<v Speaker 2>and it really like the shows that you curated felt

584
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:04.359
<v Speaker 2>like family and it was just a perfect fit for us.

585
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.319
<v Speaker 2>So thank you so much to you and Lance for

586
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.440
<v Speaker 2>thinking of us in that way, bringing us in.

587
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:13.079
<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you guys. Yeah, you guys and such.

588
00:32:13.160 --> 00:32:16.480
<v Speaker 9>I don't know, you're great people, great friends, and really

589
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:20.400
<v Speaker 9>your show adds credibility to the network and you know

590
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.519
<v Speaker 9>whatever we were were really trying to build, you know,

591
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:24.880
<v Speaker 9>with with all this stuff.

592
00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, what do you say is what has contributed

593
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:34.319
<v Speaker 1>to how have you and Lance done it? I mean,

594
00:32:34.480 --> 00:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>like I know that there's probably been a lot of

595
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:40.880
<v Speaker 1>dark Knights of the soul and conversations, but if you

596
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:44.359
<v Speaker 1>looking back over a decade, you know what, what is

597
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:48.720
<v Speaker 1>the most important thing about longevity? What's the secret.

598
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:51.759
<v Speaker 8>Ride that wave?

599
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:55.880
<v Speaker 9>I mean, I don't know, like it's is really like

600
00:32:56.759 --> 00:33:01.839
<v Speaker 9>seesaw or like turbulent ocean kind of industry right now

601
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:04.359
<v Speaker 9>still and if you're trying to do it full time,

602
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:09.839
<v Speaker 9>it is really like crazy in that way. So I

603
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:13.680
<v Speaker 9>think staying together, like you know, like your team, you know,

604
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:19.319
<v Speaker 9>sticking sticking together trust and you know, like as you know,

605
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:23.440
<v Speaker 9>we've grown a part. As I guess people a little

606
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.559
<v Speaker 9>bit as I've grown a family in the past decade,

607
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.640
<v Speaker 9>you know, and we live you know, a ninety minute

608
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.880
<v Speaker 9>drive or something away. But we still have the same

609
00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:38.079
<v Speaker 9>interests and still have the same chemistry and podcasting and

610
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 9>things like that, even if we don't see each other

611
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:41.519
<v Speaker 9>all that often anymore.

612
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, you're in the same boat as us.

613
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:50.079
<v Speaker 2>We are constantly saying, thank God we're doing this with

614
00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:54.240
<v Speaker 2>someone else, you know, like who the people that do

615
00:33:54.319 --> 00:33:58.599
<v Speaker 2>podcasts alone. I get the perks to that, but man

616
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:02.759
<v Speaker 2>to for the role coaster moments for you know, the waves.

617
00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Speaker 2>It's really nice to have someone to ride that with.

618
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:09.199
<v Speaker 2>And I'm glad you and Lance have had each other,

619
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, for all of that. And it's it's special

620
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:16.159
<v Speaker 2>to be able to do something like this with your

621
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 2>best friend. I mean what I tell that to Scott

622
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:21.159
<v Speaker 2>all the time, Like, how many people get to have

623
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:26.360
<v Speaker 2>a creative project like this for years where you know,

624
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:28.840
<v Speaker 2>sometimes he and I are talking to each other more

625
00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:33.559
<v Speaker 2>than we're talking to our spouses because the other hours

626
00:34:33.559 --> 00:34:35.480
<v Speaker 2>of the week, you know, we're at work or whatever.

627
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.440
<v Speaker 2>So it is it's it's incredibly special and what an

628
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:42.480
<v Speaker 2>interesting medium to kind of give us this opportunity.

629
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<v Speaker 1>There's been so many times when we've been recording and

630
00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:48.199
<v Speaker 1>she's like, oh my god, I think I'm starving my kid.

631
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:49.559
<v Speaker 1>I have to go feed my child, or you're going

632
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:50.880
<v Speaker 1>to call DCFS on me.

633
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:53.559
<v Speaker 8>I have to go be a mom.

634
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I forget damn it.

635
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<v Speaker 2>But we we always we also joke like about, you know,

636
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<v Speaker 2>our years long text thread and I'm also like thinking

637
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<v Speaker 2>back to you me, Scott and Lance have some really

638
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<v Speaker 2>good text threads too over the years.

639
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, more the time.

640
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<v Speaker 2>So we've texted you and we've been like, hey, guys,

641
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:18.599
<v Speaker 2>can we schedule a call with you? Like we have

642
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 2>this concern and you're always so lovely. We're like, are

643
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:24.239
<v Speaker 2>we overreacting? Are we being stupid that we're going to

644
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:26.840
<v Speaker 2>bring this up? And you guys are always just like

645
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<v Speaker 2>so sweet and gracious to anything these crazy colleges have

646
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<v Speaker 2>to say.

647
00:35:32.119 --> 00:35:34.639
<v Speaker 1>I have to say also, just like, I mean, it's

648
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:37.880
<v Speaker 1>funny because like there's so much that what our listeners

649
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.480
<v Speaker 1>are listening to right now is us not being able

650
00:35:40.519 --> 00:35:45.559
<v Speaker 1>to talk about something that's really really huge. And when

651
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:48.440
<v Speaker 1>Shiloh and I were trying to figure out and navigate

652
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:52.519
<v Speaker 1>our way through it, we reached out to you both,

653
00:35:52.800 --> 00:35:56.119
<v Speaker 1>and you were so great, you know, you were just

654
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.400
<v Speaker 1>so great. Like we got off the call after all

655
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:02.800
<v Speaker 1>of us vent and sharing our frustrations and realizing that

656
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:05.159
<v Speaker 1>we're all on the same page, and it was just

657
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 1>such a relief. And then, oh my god, this is

658
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<v Speaker 1>the thing that didn't What you didn't have is you

659
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<v Speaker 1>didn't see my narcissistic extension rage, which means I was angry,

660
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:21.440
<v Speaker 1>like I had been not treated well. But when I

661
00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:24.599
<v Speaker 1>realized how badly you guys had been treated, I was like,

662
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:27.280
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm going to lose my license because I'm

663
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.920
<v Speaker 1>probably going to go on a spree right now. I'm

664
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<v Speaker 1>so angry that this happened to two people that we

665
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.280
<v Speaker 1>admire and care about so much. But thank you for

666
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 1>being a great landing space for us. We just really

667
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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it.

668
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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, well, thank you guys for over the years, for

669
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 9>all your insight and your entertainment and friendship. And yeah,

670
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:49.480
<v Speaker 9>we got to have you guys back on our show

671
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.519
<v Speaker 9>now that it's back up and running.

672
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.639
<v Speaker 2>For sure. So before you go, what are you and

673
00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Lance up to these days? You can just kind of

674
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:00.159
<v Speaker 2>catch our audience up to speak.

675
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 9>You know what, there's been more twists and turns in

676
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:05.320
<v Speaker 9>the past few months.

677
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:10.320
<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's even. It might be crazier than stop.

678
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, we need to schedule.

679
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:17.440
<v Speaker 1>We really do. It's wild. Okay, we're back to.

680
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<v Speaker 2>Crawl space and missing or just space right now.

681
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<v Speaker 9>Crawl space and missing. Yeah, crawl space was doing a

682
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 9>thing where we were airing other anyway, we'll do that

683
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:33.320
<v Speaker 9>on the call. Yeah and missing, Yeah, we're doing those regularly.

684
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<v Speaker 1>Awesome.

685
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:39.920
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for making time regulations so much. All right,

686
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:45.400
<v Speaker 2>take care bye, all right, who do we have next?

687
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, stop it.

688
00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:56.719
<v Speaker 4>Oh gollys, I miss you, not me getting emotional. Stop

689
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.880
<v Speaker 4>that was a little nostalgic ry. I just got like

690
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.280
<v Speaker 4>I just remembered things i'd forgotten. I'm like, rest in

691
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.480
<v Speaker 4>peace to all the projects that I was gonna do.

692
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<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty, right, I mean, you're what a ride.

693
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<v Speaker 4>But like I just this has been. It's been really

694
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:16.800
<v Speaker 4>fun hearing you guys reminisce and it's so good to

695
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:17.639
<v Speaker 4>see your faces.

696
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:22.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh so good to see you too, and our three

697
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<v Speaker 2>faces and my short hair and let me switch over.

698
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's twenty nineteen, you guys.

699
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<v Speaker 1>Twenty nineteen.

700
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<v Speaker 4>Right where we met right, yes, yeah, yeah, oh no.

701
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<v Speaker 1>That's that's True Crime Podcast festival, right.

702
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:38.480
<v Speaker 4>That's that's Chicago, Chicago.

703
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, you.

704
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<v Speaker 1>Hair that short. I don't remember your hair being me.

705
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.079
<v Speaker 2>It's so huge, chopped it like a year after I

706
00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:46.000
<v Speaker 2>started my new job.

707
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:48.760
<v Speaker 4>And it's funny because now my hair is like that,

708
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:50.760
<v Speaker 4>it's in a ponytail right now, and your hair is

709
00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:51.320
<v Speaker 4>a long like mine.

710
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:55.079
<v Speaker 2>But my hair's like pretty short right now. Oh my gosh,

711
00:38:55.119 --> 00:38:57.960
<v Speaker 2>So I my first impression, you know. Here we were

712
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.400
<v Speaker 2>going like on year two of our show with that festival,

713
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:05.280
<v Speaker 2>and I remember Rebecca of course, like now that I

714
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:10.599
<v Speaker 2>know Rebecca like in full mode of having all of

715
00:39:10.639 --> 00:39:13.239
<v Speaker 2>her branding and all of her stuff that had not

716
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:17.960
<v Speaker 2>even started yet. Here's my postcard, here's my sticker, here's

717
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.719
<v Speaker 2>my this. I was like, this girl is put together,

718
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:24.519
<v Speaker 2>like I don't even know. Try and you know, I

719
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:27.320
<v Speaker 2>can tell you make it, I know. And then we

720
00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 2>just like went out to dinner that night. We had

721
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:33.199
<v Speaker 2>the loveliest dinner. We were all so freaking exhausted, I know,

722
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:37.320
<v Speaker 2>but a really good time. It was. It really what

723
00:39:37.320 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>what what are you up to these days? Lady?

724
00:39:40.039 --> 00:39:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Man?

725
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:42.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean a ton.

726
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:44.840
<v Speaker 4>It's weird, like I feel like I'm actually really in

727
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:48.239
<v Speaker 4>real time catching you up because through we don't cross

728
00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:51.519
<v Speaker 4>paths as much, I know, as we once didn't.

729
00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:53.000
<v Speaker 5>I I'm not I don't.

730
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.320
<v Speaker 4>Love that, but I'm you know, so I guess a

731
00:39:55.320 --> 00:39:57.559
<v Speaker 4>lot of people through that would know both of us

732
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:01.519
<v Speaker 4>would probably connect me to dialogue, which I hung up

733
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:03.559
<v Speaker 4>as always what I say, which is a weird way

734
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<v Speaker 4>to I don't know which I put on hiatus that

735
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.719
<v Speaker 4>never reopened, I guess.

736
00:40:08.599 --> 00:40:09.480
<v Speaker 2>In twenty twenty two.

737
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so that's already like just I mean the end

738
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.119
<v Speaker 4>of twenty twenty two, so it's been gone for two years.

739
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:17.239
<v Speaker 4>But I didn't leave podcasting, but I did take a

740
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:21.199
<v Speaker 4>little break from like all the concentrated true crime stuff.

741
00:40:21.239 --> 00:40:23.880
<v Speaker 4>I think I actually really didn't know that I needed that,

742
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:28.119
<v Speaker 4>so and you know, so good to see Tim. Tim

743
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:30.159
<v Speaker 4>was talking about how hard it is to make a

744
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.880
<v Speaker 4>living full time podcasting, So you know, I've been figuring

745
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:37.639
<v Speaker 4>out my work situation and I've really come to love

746
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.000
<v Speaker 4>producing other people's podcasts.

747
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:41.639
<v Speaker 2>And it's just.

748
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:44.960
<v Speaker 4>Been this cool development of learning, like something else i'm

749
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:47.880
<v Speaker 4>good at and something else I enjoy. It's a different

750
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.000
<v Speaker 4>skill set and I still love hosting, and I do

751
00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:53.119
<v Speaker 4>host a couple shows still, but mainly what I'm doing

752
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:58.280
<v Speaker 4>is producing shows for clients. So there's budgets and there's

753
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:01.159
<v Speaker 4>money and you know, always nice.

754
00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:03.960
<v Speaker 1>Can you talk a little bit about that because I

755
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:06.559
<v Speaker 1>know that, I actually know that several of our listeners

756
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:10.920
<v Speaker 1>who have reached out have asked us about, well, who's

757
00:41:10.960 --> 00:41:13.440
<v Speaker 1>your producer? Like me and Shiloh.

758
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:14.559
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you're looking at him.

759
00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:17.760
<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the eleven AM or eleven people. Yeah,

760
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:20.079
<v Speaker 1>so what tell us a little bit about what that

761
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:22.239
<v Speaker 1>this role is for you?

762
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:25.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so I'm sure you guys both know. I mean,

763
00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:29.800
<v Speaker 4>my technical skills with editing and podcasting are pretty minimal,

764
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:32.519
<v Speaker 4>and like you know, I know just enough to either

765
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.280
<v Speaker 4>get by or be dangerous depending on who you ask.

766
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:38.639
<v Speaker 4>But a producer, you know, it depends on the project.

767
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:40.679
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's a subjective term, but for me,

768
00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:42.679
<v Speaker 4>I think it's like a pot It's like a project

769
00:41:42.679 --> 00:41:46.239
<v Speaker 4>manager for a podcast. So because Dialogue, I booked all

770
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:48.880
<v Speaker 4>those guests. That's actually a skill a lot of people

771
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 4>I didn't realize was such a helpful skill. So booking guests,

772
00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.480
<v Speaker 4>pre screening them and kind of setting everything up, especially

773
00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:58.559
<v Speaker 4>if they're somewhat high profile or you know, a big

774
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:00.880
<v Speaker 4>get Like that's a big part of what I do

775
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:04.800
<v Speaker 4>is curating who I think will be great guests for

776
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:07.000
<v Speaker 4>a certain story that's being told, and then kind of

777
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:11.079
<v Speaker 4>following through on that story mapping. You know, it depends

778
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:14.079
<v Speaker 4>if it's like a nonfiction or fiction project. I've done

779
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:18.519
<v Speaker 4>entrepreneurial podcasts, like boring podcasts, interesting podcasts. I've done all

780
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.800
<v Speaker 4>kinds of podcasts, and it's just kind of figuring out

781
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:23.639
<v Speaker 4>what's the story they're trying to tell and helping them

782
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.119
<v Speaker 4>bring all the pieces together, so guests, editors a team, right,

783
00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.480
<v Speaker 4>and helping the branding because I have that marketing background,

784
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 4>so I get to speak into that, which is really fun. Yeah,

785
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.880
<v Speaker 4>so that's that's what I do. I kind of you

786
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.159
<v Speaker 4>wear a lot of hats and you kind of assemble.

787
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:39.519
<v Speaker 2>The team needed.

788
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 8>It's like if you you.

789
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 4>And Shiloh broke down all the roles you play, like, yeah,

790
00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.159
<v Speaker 4>there's probably ten, you know, if you were actually going

791
00:42:46.239 --> 00:42:50.239
<v Speaker 4>to like divvy up the responsibilities. It's it's figuring all

792
00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:53.800
<v Speaker 4>that out and delegating and overseeing. I get to be bossy,

793
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:57.320
<v Speaker 4>which I realized I really like. So you know.

794
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, another skill your muted Scott.

795
00:43:01.519 --> 00:43:03.840
<v Speaker 1>If you I thank you, yeah, and get paid for

796
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>it being bossy and get paid for it.

797
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:08.639
<v Speaker 4>Like it's actually my job to be bossy. And I

798
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:12.199
<v Speaker 4>hadn't realized how much I enjoy telling men what to do.

799
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:13.239
<v Speaker 4>That's cool.

800
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:15.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, do it for as long as you're allowed to

801
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:19.599
<v Speaker 2>keep doing it. I mean, yeah, exactly. So what so

802
00:43:19.639 --> 00:43:22.280
<v Speaker 2>when shows are you currently hosting right now?

803
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:23.119
<v Speaker 8>Sure?

804
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:27.000
<v Speaker 4>So, I'm still co hosting Criminality with the wonderful Melissa

805
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:32.039
<v Speaker 4>of Moms and Mysteries and Criminality. We do. We're disdown

806
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:34.079
<v Speaker 4>to like the first Fridays of every month. We both

807
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:38.280
<v Speaker 4>are are quite booked and busy, but we are, like

808
00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 4>you guys, just so close and can't imagine giving it

809
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:42.880
<v Speaker 4>up all the way. So we've just are like, we're

810
00:43:42.880 --> 00:43:46.079
<v Speaker 4>doing this for us and our audience, and like we

811
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:51.239
<v Speaker 4>just it's the pure love of creating that show together,

812
00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.320
<v Speaker 4>so that every first Friday we're still putting out new episodes.

813
00:43:54.840 --> 00:43:57.960
<v Speaker 4>And then I created and launched a show in the fall,

814
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:00.079
<v Speaker 4>Cult Thank you for your interest, which has nothing to

815
00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:02.480
<v Speaker 4>do with true crime but has to do with professional rejection,

816
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:05.280
<v Speaker 4>and that's coming back in March with the season two

817
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:11.039
<v Speaker 4>and I co host that. It's been amazing and cathartic

818
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.000
<v Speaker 4>and really helpful to a lot of people. So I'm

819
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:15.119
<v Speaker 4>very proud of that show.

820
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:16.679
<v Speaker 8>So those are the Tom hosting.

821
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:18.599
<v Speaker 4>And then I just had a show launch this week

822
00:44:18.800 --> 00:44:21.039
<v Speaker 4>that is crime and I think your audience would super

823
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.039
<v Speaker 4>duper love called Devil and the Deep Blue Sea. And

824
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:27.039
<v Speaker 4>it's about the Satanic Panic era in America in the

825
00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:30.519
<v Speaker 4>nineteen eighties and kind of it deals with West Memphis.

826
00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Three, it deals with Martin Preschool.

827
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.840
<v Speaker 4>McMartin preschool, and it's even going to go back in

828
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.800
<v Speaker 4>time to kind of where this all came from and

829
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<v Speaker 4>how it kind of formed politics and the church. And

830
00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:44.880
<v Speaker 4>it's really interesting. And so that episode, episode one just

831
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:46.760
<v Speaker 4>dropped Monday. So Devil in the Deep Blue Sea.

832
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's when you're producing.

833
00:44:48.639 --> 00:44:51.519
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, you'll hear me on the trigger warning at

834
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<v Speaker 4>the top.

835
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Perfect. Oh good, because we all love to hear your

836
00:44:54.519 --> 00:44:59.320
<v Speaker 2>voice for sure. Maybe that'll inspire A Scott to finally

837
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:04.760
<v Speaker 2>do our McMartin more would be pretty different the same. Yeah,

838
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:06.679
<v Speaker 2>that's a that's a very biggy.

839
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<v Speaker 1>But there's so much more information about that that has

840
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<v Speaker 1>come out over the years from the children. You know,

841
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:18.960
<v Speaker 1>the children are all now adults and they're almost forty yeah, right,

842
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:25.679
<v Speaker 1>lots of lots of differing perspectives and one voice that

843
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<v Speaker 1>was completely muffled the entire time, Like was they refused

844
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<v Speaker 1>to let him speak because he he knew it was

845
00:45:33.679 --> 00:45:34.800
<v Speaker 1>all fake.

846
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:36.679
<v Speaker 2>Because it went against the narrative.

847
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<v Speaker 4>That narrative, Yeah, convenient, and that was kind of local

848
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:41.920
<v Speaker 4>to you guys, right, that was an LA story that

849
00:45:42.039 --> 00:45:46.639
<v Speaker 4>was like a not long beach Manhattan beach or something. Yes, yeah, yeah,

850
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:48.800
<v Speaker 4>that's a big one. I would be excited if you

851
00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:50.800
<v Speaker 4>guys covered that because there's a lot there about it.

852
00:45:50.880 --> 00:45:53.480
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, well, I mean I don't even want to

853
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.440
<v Speaker 2>attempt to try and talk about what you have meant

854
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:59.400
<v Speaker 2>to us for this time one because I don't want

855
00:45:59.400 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 2>to like break down crying, and I'm so happy I'm

856
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:02.360
<v Speaker 2>going to get to see you at least we have

857
00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:04.599
<v Speaker 2>something on the books this year. Were able to see

858
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<v Speaker 2>each other way.

859
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.480
<v Speaker 4>Once, I know, but maybe before that to us.

860
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:12.559
<v Speaker 2>I hope so. But obviously a big part of what

861
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.480
<v Speaker 2>we feel like is our journey. I mean that picture

862
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:17.559
<v Speaker 2>kind of encompasses it. We're so cute and young, look at.

863
00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.920
<v Speaker 4>That I know some fresh and I know we are

864
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:25.360
<v Speaker 4>not jaded there, that those are the faces of unjaded podcasters.

865
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:30.840
<v Speaker 2>But also for real, seriously, no idea. I mean, obviously

866
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.679
<v Speaker 2>there's just been like life has happened, but just all

867
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.599
<v Speaker 2>the weird podcast shit too that we have experienced together

868
00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:42.039
<v Speaker 2>has been a whole book in and of itself. And yeah,

869
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:43.760
<v Speaker 2>there will be a tell all someday we can like

870
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.880
<v Speaker 2>at least feel it, I know. But we love you

871
00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.199
<v Speaker 2>so much. Thank you, love you guys so much.

872
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.280
<v Speaker 4>You're like my favorite takeaway from ever starting podcasting and

873
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.519
<v Speaker 4>I don't say it enough. And I miss you guys

874
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:59.400
<v Speaker 4>so much. Thank you for inviting me here. Congratulations on

875
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.880
<v Speaker 4>all your success. You deserve everything and more and I

876
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:02.639
<v Speaker 4>love you so much.

877
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:03.519
<v Speaker 2>I love you too.

878
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:15.239
<v Speaker 7>All right, Oh this is oh geez crying John Lorden.

879
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Hi, Hello, Look at that handsome man. Do you see me?

880
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:21.320
<v Speaker 8>Okay?

881
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:25.360
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, okay, yeah on my end, I look like I'm

882
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:28.360
<v Speaker 10>Claymation or AI or something like I'm all.

883
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:30.480
<v Speaker 2>You are.

884
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:32.840
<v Speaker 1>The video is a little bit choppy, but the audio

885
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:33.280
<v Speaker 1>is great.

886
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, it might do its thing in a second. Here.

887
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:40.760
<v Speaker 2>So Hi John, Hi, guys, how you been.

888
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:42.760
<v Speaker 8>Good?

889
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.480
<v Speaker 2>We've been good working obviously here we are. I mean,

890
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I know, two hundred episodes is like nothing to some

891
00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:51.360
<v Speaker 2>other show. Not nothing, but.

892
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.960
<v Speaker 10>You know something two hundred or something that's a lot

893
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:58.599
<v Speaker 10>of work, a lot of dedication, coming back to it

894
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:01.760
<v Speaker 10>time and time again. And you know, I have the

895
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:04.920
<v Speaker 10>luxury of this is the only thing I do.

896
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:10.079
<v Speaker 2>So you know, you guys, says the man who runs

897
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:15.159
<v Speaker 2>half of the shows on YouTube. Two hundred is big. Okay,

898
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:15.679
<v Speaker 2>I'll take it.

899
00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.679
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, But no, you guys are in the field helping

900
00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.719
<v Speaker 10>people in real life. And that was part of the

901
00:48:22.840 --> 00:48:26.559
<v Speaker 10>change that I welcomed in terms of seeing you guys,

902
00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:31.920
<v Speaker 10>and that I really appreciated was we're finally having field

903
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:34.599
<v Speaker 10>experts move into this space.

904
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.960
<v Speaker 1>And share their knowledge, and that was such an.

905
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:43.480
<v Speaker 10>Important change for podcasts for true crime, and unfortunately, I

906
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.159
<v Speaker 10>think we've kind of moved away from that.

907
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:50.239
<v Speaker 1>A little bit. Again, it's like an arm wrestling match,

908
00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:50.800
<v Speaker 1>you know.

909
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's been interesting to see that because I think

910
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:56.360
<v Speaker 2>you're right, like kind of when Scott and I had

911
00:48:56.360 --> 00:48:58.719
<v Speaker 2>this idea to do it, obviously true crime was nothing new,

912
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:01.599
<v Speaker 2>and that was our consideration, like, okay, like everyone is

913
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:05.280
<v Speaker 2>it too saturated? But what can we add? And we

914
00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:08.639
<v Speaker 2>didn't think anyone was lending a voice in our area.

915
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:12.400
<v Speaker 2>But then yeah, you kind of had this wave of

916
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:16.559
<v Speaker 2>professionals mostly retired. Is it not insane like we are,

917
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:21.400
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, retired folks lending their voices. And I thought

918
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:23.880
<v Speaker 2>that was a big shift for true crime, like kind

919
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:26.719
<v Speaker 2>of that was happening around the time of like letting

920
00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:32.599
<v Speaker 2>victims voices lead as well, which was really interesting to see.

921
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Are you guys aware of advocacy con at all?

922
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:40.039
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, okay.

923
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:43.800
<v Speaker 10>Okay, yeah, I'll be joining that. It's their first year ever,

924
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:49.039
<v Speaker 10>and it's kind of aimed for that figuring out the

925
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.360
<v Speaker 10>part of true crime that could be helpful to people

926
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:55.239
<v Speaker 10>and trying to get those families together with the right resources.

927
00:49:56.079 --> 00:50:00.199
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, instead of getting lost in the you know,

928
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:01.800
<v Speaker 2>entertainment piece of it.

929
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, lost and re traumatization of you know, people clamoring,

930
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.519
<v Speaker 1>you know, please be on my show, please let me

931
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:11.519
<v Speaker 1>interview you this you know, poor family or survivor that

932
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:15.599
<v Speaker 1>has just been through so much. Absolutely, I love that

933
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:17.079
<v Speaker 1>that's being done.

934
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:21.199
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, And it's weird because sometimes you'll have a family

935
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:25.079
<v Speaker 10>that goes to a particular creator and you know, pours

936
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:28.400
<v Speaker 10>their heart out and they don't know the difference between

937
00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:32.599
<v Speaker 10>in La Not So Confidential or some other type of show,

938
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:35.239
<v Speaker 10>and they might hit an audience of a few hundred people,

939
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:38.519
<v Speaker 10>and then you know that story doesn't get picked up

940
00:50:38.519 --> 00:50:40.360
<v Speaker 10>because other people are looking at it and they're like, oh,

941
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:43.599
<v Speaker 10>they've been on that podcast. You know, I'm going to

942
00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:44.639
<v Speaker 10>sit on it for a while.

943
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

944
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:49.639
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's always a tough dance on that well.

945
00:50:49.719 --> 00:50:53.280
<v Speaker 2>And speaking of tough dances, one of the things that

946
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've never talked about publicly, that I know,

947
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Scott and I are most proud of is the collaboration

948
00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.639
<v Speaker 2>that the three of us did behind the scenes where

949
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 2>you approached us and said, hey, this is heavy stuff

950
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 2>that we talk about and that we research and that

951
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:14.880
<v Speaker 2>we do. I really think there's a need to support

952
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:19.320
<v Speaker 2>other true crime content creators in a way that hasn't

953
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:23.760
<v Speaker 2>been done before. And essentially we brainstormed and I think

954
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:26.559
<v Speaker 2>did it the right way in which we ended up

955
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:33.039
<v Speaker 2>creating a support group for content creators that met once

956
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:37.599
<v Speaker 2>a month. And I can't think of, you know, many

957
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:42.719
<v Speaker 2>other things that I've done in content creation that has

958
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 2>felt as directly like giving back and doing something really important.

959
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 2>It was just like at a different level that I

960
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:53.639
<v Speaker 2>think other people hadn't thought about before. And here Scott

961
00:51:53.639 --> 00:51:56.199
<v Speaker 2>and I are saturated in vicarious trauma all the time

962
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:59.880
<v Speaker 2>from our jobs and learn in grad school and intern

963
00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:03.199
<v Speaker 2>like how to take care of yourself. But I mean

964
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:05.960
<v Speaker 2>it just I mean, can you add a little bit too,

965
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:08.199
<v Speaker 2>What was in your thinking, what you were seeing at

966
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:09.800
<v Speaker 2>the time when you kind of approached us about that?

967
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Absolutely.

968
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.880
<v Speaker 10>I mean when I came in on YouTube, there was

969
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:19.480
<v Speaker 10>a bunch of other creators that were peers of mine,

970
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:25.880
<v Speaker 10>one in particular, Kayleie Elise, who inspired me, and all

971
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.239
<v Speaker 10>of a sudden, she started facing a lot of personal

972
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:34.519
<v Speaker 10>life trauma that compounded with the subject.

973
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Matter took her out of the game.

974
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:41.920
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, she was a brilliant voice, but unfortunately that voice disappeared.

975
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:44.440
<v Speaker 10>There's so many more cases that could have been helped

976
00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.360
<v Speaker 10>if she would have been able to stay around. And

977
00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.440
<v Speaker 10>she wasn't the only one. I saw a pretty typical

978
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.880
<v Speaker 10>churn of you get into this, you could do it

979
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:58.199
<v Speaker 10>for four or five years, and you had to move

980
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:00.280
<v Speaker 10>away from it because of the exposure.

981
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:01.360
<v Speaker 9>Yeah.

982
00:53:01.440 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 10>So yeah, when I was thinking about some kind of

983
00:53:04.159 --> 00:53:06.760
<v Speaker 10>support group, honestly, My relationship with.

984
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Danielle Hallen was built on that. Also.

985
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:12.119
<v Speaker 10>We were like, hey, how do we support each other?

986
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:15.119
<v Speaker 10>How do we take care of each other? So, yeah,

987
00:53:15.199 --> 00:53:18.400
<v Speaker 10>it was I knew when I wanted to try to

988
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:22.400
<v Speaker 10>do something like that, I needed experts there with me,

989
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:24.760
<v Speaker 10>and I knew immediately it was the two of you.

990
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:26.840
<v Speaker 1>And I'm so proud of that too. Yeah.

991
00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:32.199
<v Speaker 10>Is It's definitely one of the highlights. But there's another

992
00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:35.880
<v Speaker 10>thing that you guys helped with, and that was the

993
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:37.079
<v Speaker 10>Elisa Gomez case.

994
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, yes.

995
00:53:39.559 --> 00:53:42.400
<v Speaker 10>And the analysis that you gave us on that case

996
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:47.639
<v Speaker 10>inspired an investigator from a different state to swing in

997
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:52.760
<v Speaker 10>help on that case, become part of her family's family.

998
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:57.960
<v Speaker 10>And I literally I just heard from him yesterday. He's

999
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:02.360
<v Speaker 10>still working on that case. And we had a meeting

1000
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:05.840
<v Speaker 10>in Minneapolis with a bunch of city council members because

1001
00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:08.440
<v Speaker 10>they reopened the case a couple of years ago, and

1002
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:11.320
<v Speaker 10>they were trying to figure out, Okay, what do you

1003
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:15.480
<v Speaker 10>guys have where we supposed to take this and he

1004
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:18.119
<v Speaker 10>was literally citing your information.

1005
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Wow about you two. Oh my gosh, I'm really like,

1006
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm really moved by that, Like I I can't even

1007
00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:31.599
<v Speaker 1>have any words but thank you for sharing that. Yeah.

1008
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:34.599
<v Speaker 10>Yeah, well, and that's not the only thing from that.

1009
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:38.519
<v Speaker 10>We had a professor of criminology reach out to me

1010
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:42.360
<v Speaker 10>and a couple of years ago he wanted to present

1011
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:47.800
<v Speaker 10>a case to his master's students and he's like, John,

1012
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:49.679
<v Speaker 10>do you have a case that you think would fit this?

1013
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:54.880
<v Speaker 10>And I said, yes, the Alisa Gomez case. And you

1014
00:54:54.920 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 10>guys were so kind. I think it was doctor Scott

1015
00:54:57.079 --> 00:55:02.079
<v Speaker 10>in particular came and spoke to that class. We actually

1016
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:05.599
<v Speaker 10>presented that case the classes for a few years.

1017
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:10.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, professor told me it was Yeah.

1018
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:15.519
<v Speaker 10>He said, look, I've done a lot of these courses.

1019
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:18.639
<v Speaker 10>I think the most significant thing I ever did was

1020
00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:22.199
<v Speaker 10>presenting that case. Wow, in the way that we did it,

1021
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:23.920
<v Speaker 10>and thank you for being a part of it. So

1022
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:26.079
<v Speaker 10>I have to thank you guys, because wow, that would

1023
00:55:26.079 --> 00:55:27.079
<v Speaker 10>have happened without your help.

1024
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:29.920
<v Speaker 2>It's not something that we get a piece of doing.

1025
00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:33.719
<v Speaker 2>And thank you for the opportunity. Definitely. Like we were

1026
00:55:34.199 --> 00:55:36.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of saying with we were talking to Tim earlier,

1027
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:39.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, if we could just go on like helping

1028
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.639
<v Speaker 2>to lend our voices on other people's podcasts, forever, we

1029
00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:43.199
<v Speaker 2>can do that forever. I don't know if we do

1030
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:47.239
<v Speaker 2>this forever, But thank you for the opportunity. And you

1031
00:55:47.280 --> 00:55:50.480
<v Speaker 2>know that that those are the differences that you're making

1032
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:52.800
<v Speaker 2>with the work that you do all the time and

1033
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:56.039
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you are doing this full time. One

1034
00:55:56.119 --> 00:55:58.800
<v Speaker 2>is heavy stuff. But we all know how to take

1035
00:55:58.800 --> 00:56:03.400
<v Speaker 2>care of ourselves. We're practicing that very well. But yeah, thanks,

1036
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:07.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad that we made that connection. Gosh, I

1037
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:10.119
<v Speaker 2>don't we had not met in person yet, I think

1038
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:13.800
<v Speaker 2>when we were on that show to talk about that

1039
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:18.840
<v Speaker 2>case and then yeah, but just built a wonderful relationship afterwards.

1040
00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:23.199
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you're you're one of our staples, John, And

1041
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:25.480
<v Speaker 2>of course during Get Vocal, like all of your fun

1042
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:31.199
<v Speaker 2>games and everything during COVID, that like just you know,

1043
00:56:31.519 --> 00:56:32.480
<v Speaker 2>added to the levity.

1044
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:35.480
<v Speaker 1>So more mental health, yeah, taking care.

1045
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yes, absolutely.

1046
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1047
00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:41.400
<v Speaker 10>Well I'm going to be coming to LA in a

1048
00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:43.480
<v Speaker 10>few months. Okay, I want to see you guys.

1049
00:56:43.639 --> 00:56:47.679
<v Speaker 1>I've got it's going to happen, absolutely absolutely.

1050
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:52.079
<v Speaker 10>We've got a premiere that we're doing for a new documentary,

1051
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:56.679
<v Speaker 10>a docuseries that's coming out called Vanished. It seems to

1052
00:56:56.679 --> 00:56:58.800
<v Speaker 10>be a title in the documentaries I do, there's always

1053
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:05.400
<v Speaker 10>a vanishing, but this one's this case. So yeah, there's

1054
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:07.320
<v Speaker 10>gonna be a premiere and if I can get you

1055
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:09.280
<v Speaker 10>guys there, I'd love for you to be there, so

1056
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:10.400
<v Speaker 10>let us know.

1057
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:13.039
<v Speaker 2>But we'd be happy just to hang out with you

1058
00:57:13.079 --> 00:57:16.440
<v Speaker 2>for an evening, So please send us the date. That's awesome.

1059
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad we have something to look forward to.

1060
00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:19.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

1061
00:57:19.320 --> 00:57:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, thanks for your time, John and being here.

1062
00:57:23.119 --> 00:57:28.320
<v Speaker 10>Happy two hundred guys, Thank you, Thank you.

1063
00:57:27.159 --> 00:57:27.760
<v Speaker 8>To take care.

1064
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:28.760
<v Speaker 2>How cool?

1065
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Wow?

1066
00:57:32.119 --> 00:57:37.360
<v Speaker 2>I know here they are put these guys last because

1067
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I was like, how long is this going to take?

1068
00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:46.000
<v Speaker 10>I got a celebration milkshake, but then I was like drinking.

1069
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:47.679
<v Speaker 5>It while I was listening. I was like, you finished

1070
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:48.239
<v Speaker 5>the milkshake.

1071
00:57:51.360 --> 00:57:52.960
<v Speaker 2>What flavor milkshake is that? Bryce?

1072
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:54.639
<v Speaker 5>Chocolate chip, cookies and cream.

1073
00:57:56.360 --> 00:57:56.800
<v Speaker 1>That's what.

1074
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:08.000
<v Speaker 2>That's correct, Tammy Embryce. You guys were normal of talk

1075
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:14.519
<v Speaker 2>about ogs of our podcast existence. I was looking back

1076
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Tammy at our Instagram feed and when we did our

1077
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:23.159
<v Speaker 2>cult episode, you commented on there like is this that one?

1078
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:26.039
<v Speaker 2>And because I can't remember which of us cited each

1079
00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:28.760
<v Speaker 2>other at some point, but we were kind of covering

1080
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:32.079
<v Speaker 2>similar topics at the same time, and that's how we

1081
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:33.480
<v Speaker 2>were born as.

1082
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.519
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I was watching the Buddha Field Call.

1083
00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.559
<v Speaker 11>I was watching a little documentary and it was so

1084
00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:43.639
<v Speaker 11>weird because I heard your interview. You guys did an

1085
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:47.280
<v Speaker 11>episode about it, and I'm like, holy, they know their stuff, man,

1086
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:51.199
<v Speaker 11>they're amazing. And we did the we did our episode

1087
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:53.159
<v Speaker 11>and I was like, Bryce, you gotta listen to this podcast.

1088
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:56.360
<v Speaker 8>And that's how we I think we tagged on a post.

1089
00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:58.760
<v Speaker 11>Too, and that's how we got like like cooked blind

1090
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:00.679
<v Speaker 11>and sinker with us.

1091
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:04.679
<v Speaker 2>I know, look at this, but nearly eight years later,

1092
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:09.400
<v Speaker 2>we are now you're our friends, we're tied together or yes,

1093
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:10.719
<v Speaker 2>family's are friends.

1094
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:13.840
<v Speaker 8>Now we got to do a blood ritual totally.

1095
00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:14.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1096
00:59:14.320 --> 00:59:17.239
<v Speaker 2>I think we got to figure out when I don't know,

1097
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Scott tell us when mercury is not in retrograde or

1098
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:24.159
<v Speaker 2>there's a moon aligns with that or something.

1099
00:59:24.199 --> 00:59:24.440
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1100
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Just what are you guys up to these days? What's

1101
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:28.639
<v Speaker 2>new for holyweird paranormal?

1102
00:59:30.280 --> 00:59:31.039
<v Speaker 8>Oh my goodness.

1103
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:33.079
<v Speaker 11>Well, as you guys know, I don't know if anybody

1104
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:36.840
<v Speaker 11>has heard, but we're going to Windy City Parafest in Chicago.

1105
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:41.920
<v Speaker 11>So there's this beautiful little paranormal convention that is happening

1106
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:46.039
<v Speaker 11>in Chicago, Illinois. It's the first annual one, and a

1107
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:50.360
<v Speaker 11>shout out to Frankie Everley, who is coordinating everything along

1108
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:54.280
<v Speaker 11>with his team. They wanted to create like a convention

1109
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:58.440
<v Speaker 11>that is not consistently made up of no offense is

1110
00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:00.000
<v Speaker 11>like just cis white.

1111
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:01.840
<v Speaker 8>Male men like we're wearing.

1112
01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:03.360
<v Speaker 2>I know.

1113
01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:06.960
<v Speaker 8>He wanted something very diverse.

1114
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:09.559
<v Speaker 11>He's like, I need people of color, people from you know,

1115
01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:14.400
<v Speaker 11>the lgbt HUI community, you know. And I wanted to

1116
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:16.840
<v Speaker 11>create a community not only of just those people, but

1117
01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:20.719
<v Speaker 11>of artists and and so in June the thirteenth through

1118
01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:23.880
<v Speaker 11>the fifteenth, he's going to have this convention and Bryce

1119
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:26.719
<v Speaker 11>and myself are going to head over there and lead

1120
01:00:26.800 --> 01:00:28.679
<v Speaker 11>to talk about like Haunted Hollywood.

1121
01:00:28.679 --> 01:00:31.719
<v Speaker 8>It's gonna be like whoa, oh my gosh, the talk.

1122
01:00:31.920 --> 01:00:35.400
<v Speaker 8>I will be eat, I know, both of us will.

1123
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:38.920
<v Speaker 1>We are to be sharing stories of our old school

1124
01:00:39.360 --> 01:00:39.920
<v Speaker 1>in Chicago.

1125
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:42.440
<v Speaker 8>Do you remember when we.

1126
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:44.840
<v Speaker 2>We put Bryce in the corner and made him do

1127
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.800
<v Speaker 2>our slides we representation.

1128
01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:49.960
<v Speaker 1>In the corner.

1129
01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:53.800
<v Speaker 5>That's right. Long I was able to do a little

1130
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:54.719
<v Speaker 5>bit about like.

1131
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:56.599
<v Speaker 2>This tray there.

1132
01:00:56.719 --> 01:01:01.480
<v Speaker 1>He'll be fine, But we all also like I don't

1133
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:04.800
<v Speaker 1>I do not want this to slip because this sort

1134
01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:09.559
<v Speaker 1>of harkens back to talking to Rebecca earlier. Is it's

1135
01:01:09.840 --> 01:01:12.639
<v Speaker 1>easy to forget how much we've actually done with you

1136
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.400
<v Speaker 1>guys over the years, like from you being at my

1137
01:01:17.400 --> 01:01:21.760
<v Speaker 1>previous apartment where we had a blast just giggling while

1138
01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:25.559
<v Speaker 1>we recorded, and then doing Parapod the art was it Parapod?

1139
01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:28.440
<v Speaker 2>We did Parapod but then yeah, we.

1140
01:01:28.639 --> 01:01:31.400
<v Speaker 1>Also did the Heritage Square Museum, which was like I

1141
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:34.199
<v Speaker 1>thought was I think it was a miracle that it

1142
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:37.960
<v Speaker 1>came off that everybody, that all the attendees were so impressed.

1143
01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:42.079
<v Speaker 1>So you're our good luck charm for live live performances.

1144
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I think, Yeah, our writer dies for sure. And you guys,

1145
01:01:45.880 --> 01:01:47.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean you're a writer dies.

1146
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:47.559
<v Speaker 1>You know.

1147
01:01:49.159 --> 01:01:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Again, you are two extremely good friends doing this together.

1148
01:01:55.159 --> 01:01:59.400
<v Speaker 2>That and how long have you guys been podcasting now almost.

1149
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:01.519
<v Speaker 8>Yeah as long as even friends almost eight years?

1150
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:05.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, so same same amount of time as us.

1151
01:02:05.519 --> 01:02:08.280
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, can you guys even imagine trying to

1152
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:11.039
<v Speaker 2>do this alone or without the other person.

1153
01:02:10.920 --> 01:02:13.920
<v Speaker 8>At this point, it's not the same without Bryce. When

1154
01:02:14.000 --> 01:02:16.360
<v Speaker 8>Bryce is on the Hiatis, it was weird. It was

1155
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:17.840
<v Speaker 8>really weird.

1156
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:21.400
<v Speaker 11>It was like open mic Night and crickets because like

1157
01:02:21.519 --> 01:02:24.960
<v Speaker 11>I need you know, he adds that finishing touch in

1158
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:27.159
<v Speaker 11>his soapbox when he brings the soapbox.

1159
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:30.519
<v Speaker 8>This the Bryce soapbox and.

1160
01:02:30.559 --> 01:02:33.559
<v Speaker 2>Every week, Yeah, Scott and Bryce must have bought theirs

1161
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:35.039
<v Speaker 2>at the same soapbox store.

1162
01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, we go to soapbox warehouse for ourls.

1163
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:42.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1164
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:46.079
<v Speaker 1>I look. I think it's an interesting dynamic. I mean,

1165
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:48.400
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of tail as old as time of you know,

1166
01:02:48.920 --> 01:02:53.639
<v Speaker 1>gay men and fabulous women pairing up. But I think

1167
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:55.880
<v Speaker 1>I won't speak for Bryce, but I will speak for myself.

1168
01:02:56.039 --> 01:03:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Is like I, you know, our process has just evolved

1169
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:06.519
<v Speaker 1>into something that works so well. But I Shiloh is

1170
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:09.559
<v Speaker 1>is actually the driver of everything, and she gets ship

1171
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:11.599
<v Speaker 1>done in a way that I'm just not capable of.

1172
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:14.599
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if you guys have that dynamic.

1173
01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:16.920
<v Speaker 1>If we ever, like if somebody came and says, oh, here,

1174
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:19.559
<v Speaker 1>we're going to give you a million dollars for your IP,

1175
01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:22.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be like, yes, she gets like three

1176
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:25.760
<v Speaker 1>quarters of it, like she's been doing the Lions.

1177
01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:28.280
<v Speaker 5>Share, Jammy gets all of it. I just want to

1178
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:30.039
<v Speaker 5>be like my face on a sweatshirt and I'm.

1179
01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Just like that.

1180
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Just pay me in Starbucks cards. It's fine.

1181
01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:41.119
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Yeah, the engine for sure, I get to kind

1182
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:44.199
<v Speaker 5>of be funny color commentary.

1183
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:44.079
<v Speaker 1>But.

1184
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:47.719
<v Speaker 8>Also the healthy minded skeptic.

1185
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:48.840
<v Speaker 2>You're the past.

1186
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:52.840
<v Speaker 5>Everyone of the best, good, good little dose in there.

1187
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:55.159
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, and let's when.

1188
01:03:55.079 --> 01:03:56.599
<v Speaker 8>You go to these content locations.

1189
01:03:57.239 --> 01:03:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I want to, like, I think that that's

1190
01:03:59.119 --> 01:04:05.960
<v Speaker 1>something in the genre in which you create that's super important,

1191
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:09.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the work that you've done. I just

1192
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:13.400
<v Speaker 1>was listening to my Victorian Crimes or something like that.

1193
01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:18.079
<v Speaker 1>Is the newer podcast really well done? And she didn't

1194
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:19.880
<v Speaker 1>give you credit, but I felt like there was an

1195
01:04:19.920 --> 01:04:22.400
<v Speaker 1>implied credit when she said, we're not going to talk

1196
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:25.199
<v Speaker 1>about the Winchester Mystery House because everything you've heard is

1197
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:29.440
<v Speaker 1>completely wrong. Yeah, and yeah, I mean I've just I've

1198
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:32.440
<v Speaker 1>learned so much from listening to you. And but like

1199
01:04:33.079 --> 01:04:36.599
<v Speaker 1>you don't you do not produce a show without every

1200
01:04:36.760 --> 01:04:41.320
<v Speaker 1>single freaking receipt, which we admire because that's what we

1201
01:04:41.559 --> 01:04:44.960
<v Speaker 1>aim to do with our resources and our research. And

1202
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:47.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, I, I mean, I've had this conversation with

1203
01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Timmy and with both of you. Actually, like I am

1204
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:54.320
<v Speaker 1>a believer, but I don't, you know, my mind is open,

1205
01:04:55.079 --> 01:04:56.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's not so open that what's left of my

1206
01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:00.239
<v Speaker 1>brain falls out right. But I think it's interesting to

1207
01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:05.400
<v Speaker 1>be open to phenomenon whatever the source of that phenomenon is.

1208
01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:12.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, I mean I think you know you are

1209
01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:15.679
<v Speaker 2>like us and that you will forever have material right

1210
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:19.719
<v Speaker 2>for your show. You can reach into the past. Obviously

1211
01:05:19.800 --> 01:05:23.079
<v Speaker 2>we have the kinship of really being like La Hollywood

1212
01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:26.039
<v Speaker 2>centric as well, where we can pull stuff from that

1213
01:05:26.719 --> 01:05:31.400
<v Speaker 2>which is never ending. But the chemistry is amazing. Yes,

1214
01:05:31.639 --> 01:05:34.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, Tammy brings the receipts. She's the person you

1215
01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:36.480
<v Speaker 2>perk up and you listen to and then you hear

1216
01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:38.960
<v Speaker 2>like the soapbox coming out, and I'm like, I got

1217
01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:41.639
<v Speaker 2>to turn this up because I'm I'm going to learn

1218
01:05:41.800 --> 01:05:46.599
<v Speaker 2>something from Bryce, who is, however, much younger than me,

1219
01:05:46.800 --> 01:05:48.840
<v Speaker 2>and he is going to absolutely school me and like

1220
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:52.000
<v Speaker 2>blow me away with a perspective on something. That's why

1221
01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I've loved you guys so much. So I'm so glad

1222
01:05:55.000 --> 01:05:57.599
<v Speaker 2>that just that I could listen to your show, but

1223
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:00.519
<v Speaker 2>the fact that we decided to meet it do Pars

1224
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:02.000
<v Speaker 2>that day and lost, you.

1225
01:06:02.039 --> 01:06:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Know, Yeah, it was so fun.

1226
01:06:04.519 --> 01:06:07.400
<v Speaker 5>The four of us and Emma Roberts and Evan Peters.

1227
01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:12.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we basically all shared a table and I looked.

1228
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:14.760
<v Speaker 1>At each other. We were like, boy, you gotta run.

1229
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:21.039
<v Speaker 1>I know, I was like pancake. And that's when you

1230
01:06:21.119 --> 01:06:28.079
<v Speaker 1>had your your fabulous like and the big Viking beard look.

1231
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:33.199
<v Speaker 2>I know, right, gosh, well what again, I mean other

1232
01:06:33.320 --> 01:06:37.559
<v Speaker 2>than the festival, you guys still, I mean being pretty

1233
01:06:37.599 --> 01:06:42.000
<v Speaker 2>consistent with your episodes. Anything new Hollywood Paranormal coming up

1234
01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:43.280
<v Speaker 2>for you guys this summer or anything.

1235
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:46.639
<v Speaker 8>No, not at the moment. I mean, we're just doing

1236
01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:48.039
<v Speaker 8>you know, we're just continuing to.

1237
01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:51.760
<v Speaker 11>Record and trying to update our you know, Patreon, and

1238
01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:55.119
<v Speaker 11>trying to be consistent, but also trying not to burn

1239
01:06:55.159 --> 01:06:55.960
<v Speaker 11>ourselves out too.

1240
01:06:57.039 --> 01:06:58.840
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, I know that.

1241
01:06:59.079 --> 01:07:01.480
<v Speaker 8>You know, we noticed that with a lot of podcasters

1242
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:02.079
<v Speaker 8>out there are.

1243
01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:06.039
<v Speaker 11>Friends who it's just they are consistently putting things out there,

1244
01:07:06.079 --> 01:07:07.880
<v Speaker 11>and then they burn themselves out and then that's the

1245
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:10.280
<v Speaker 11>end of it. And you know, I honor I always

1246
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:12.920
<v Speaker 11>honor Bryce's schedule, and like when he needs to take

1247
01:07:12.960 --> 01:07:14.360
<v Speaker 11>a break and he does the same with me, and

1248
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:16.559
<v Speaker 11>it's like we're both tired, you know, let's take a break.

1249
01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:19.079
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, let's not burn ourselves out. I think that's why,

1250
01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:19.519
<v Speaker 8>you know.

1251
01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:23.159
<v Speaker 11>That was the key of like being so consistent and

1252
01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:25.880
<v Speaker 11>understanding is just understanding you know where we're coming from

1253
01:07:26.039 --> 01:07:28.320
<v Speaker 11>and our time and yeah.

1254
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:32.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well let's please get a drink soon. We're going

1255
01:07:32.559 --> 01:07:35.119
<v Speaker 2>to have you will meet up coming up this spring,

1256
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:37.199
<v Speaker 2>so we would love to have you guys there, or

1257
01:07:37.480 --> 01:07:39.760
<v Speaker 2>we'll just put our own thing now that we.

1258
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.719
<v Speaker 11>Need to listen here and we need to put that

1259
01:07:42.880 --> 01:07:45.960
<v Speaker 11>out there. We need to have another collab events, something

1260
01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:46.920
<v Speaker 11>so intimate.

1261
01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:52.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we do for sure. We discussed that with from

1262
01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:56.079
<v Speaker 1>Beneath the Hollywood Sign, So we'll reach out to you guys.

1263
01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:59.639
<v Speaker 1>Oh a room that they have access to, that would

1264
01:07:59.639 --> 01:07:59.920
<v Speaker 1>be cool.

1265
01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:04.480
<v Speaker 2>That is so awesome. Well, thank you for making time

1266
01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:09.119
<v Speaker 2>to be here. Anything for you, anything, guys, Love you

1267
01:08:09.199 --> 01:08:09.840
<v Speaker 2>guys so much.

1268
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:10.760
<v Speaker 1>Have a great night.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks nights. Oh god, no, no, oh, my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>Geez. I what a what a journey. It's so easy,

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01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:39.039
<v Speaker 1>especially with my squirrel brain, you know, I those of

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01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:45.199
<v Speaker 1>us that are neurodivergent on the ADHD spectrum see time

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01:08:45.399 --> 01:08:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and experience time and kind of a different way. And

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01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:51.239
<v Speaker 1>that it was that like is a little bit shocking

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01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:54.319
<v Speaker 1>to me to like reconnect with these people of like

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01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:59.520
<v Speaker 1>how much intense time we spent with them, especially during

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01:08:59.560 --> 01:09:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the intense city of COVID when we were all doing

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01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:06.039
<v Speaker 1>this reaching out to each other electronically. It just makes me.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm I'm just impressed that we have such

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01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:13.359
<v Speaker 1>quality people in our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Again liked endless. I mean, I just you know, can

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01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:21.359
<v Speaker 2>scroll through who we follow and just be like, oh

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01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:24.159
<v Speaker 2>I miss them, I miss their face. I mean, you know,

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01:09:24.520 --> 01:09:27.319
<v Speaker 2>in different ways. Especially the folks we've had here tonight,

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01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:31.600
<v Speaker 2>we've just connected so deeply. So with that, we thought

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01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:35.239
<v Speaker 2>we'd move on to some kind of some listener fan

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01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:42.079
<v Speaker 2>favorite quotes, episodes, comments, and we'll move into some Q

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01:09:42.199 --> 01:09:46.359
<v Speaker 2>and A to round out this episode. So I did ask,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's interesting because we have so many hours

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01:09:53.039 --> 01:09:57.439
<v Speaker 2>of content, and I was asking people, like, how do

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01:09:57.479 --> 01:09:59.880
<v Speaker 2>you ask someone to go back and remember, like, Hey,

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01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:03.319
<v Speaker 2>what's your favorite quote or whatever? I mean, I can't

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01:10:03.359 --> 01:10:05.119
<v Speaker 2>even think of him. I know, there's so many good ones.

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01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:08.399
<v Speaker 2>But we did get some responses, which of course are hilarious,

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01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:12.439
<v Speaker 2>and then I want to read some that apparently, like

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01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I used to just post quotes on our Instagram, like

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01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.680
<v Speaker 2>the funny shit I thought you said in each episode.

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01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I was trying to like get people to be like,

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01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:22.760
<v Speaker 2>get to know us, like we aren't the psychologist with

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01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:24.840
<v Speaker 2>the sticks of our asses that we sound like. Scott

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01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:27.880
<v Speaker 2>does say something hilarious and cute all the time. But

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01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Bridget our fellow psychologist from New Zealand, Patroon member love

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01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:37.960
<v Speaker 2>we have seen her through I think two babies now,

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01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm real, I know our big family. But she's this

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01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:47.359
<v Speaker 2>is not our quote, but I think it was actually

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01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:50.680
<v Speaker 2>in a review or a comment where someone was being

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01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:53.439
<v Speaker 2>snarky about us, like not in a good way, in

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01:10:53.520 --> 01:10:56.800
<v Speaker 2>a negative way, but they called us over credentialed, smarty

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01:10:56.840 --> 01:11:02.319
<v Speaker 2>pantss or we quoted that when we like read it

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01:11:02.479 --> 01:11:05.000
<v Speaker 2>back and she's like, I would totally buy this as

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01:11:05.079 --> 01:11:05.960
<v Speaker 2>March and.

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01:11:06.720 --> 01:11:10.399
<v Speaker 1>We both like, like even me being hyper sensitive to

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01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:13.880
<v Speaker 1>to bad reviews, Like we both just giggled and thought,

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01:11:14.000 --> 01:11:19.520
<v Speaker 1>like that's a compliment, I know.

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01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:22.479
<v Speaker 2>But she said another favorite quote of hers of yours

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01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:26.840
<v Speaker 2>was just to own your ship. Like ownership people, whether

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01:11:26.880 --> 01:11:30.600
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about yourself, me or listeners, the people that

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01:11:31.479 --> 01:11:36.079
<v Speaker 2>commit crimes that you know we're constantly talking about. Everyone's

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01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:38.119
<v Speaker 2>got a little part in something, and own your ship.

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01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, look, and it's nothing. I appreciate that it peaked

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01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:45.439
<v Speaker 1>her ear or or anyone's ear. We've actually gotten that

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01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:48.119
<v Speaker 1>several times, people saying that they like that. And you know,

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01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:52.880
<v Speaker 1>I often say to my clients that there's very little

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01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:59.560
<v Speaker 1>new developments and clinical treatment for developing insight. You know,

1325
01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:02.640
<v Speaker 1>like the same stuff has been around for not only

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01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:06.119
<v Speaker 1>hundreds of years, but thousands of years from philosophers and

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01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:09.920
<v Speaker 1>own your shit is can be you know, another way,

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01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:11.960
<v Speaker 1>it can be a little bit more of a practical

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01:12:12.000 --> 01:12:15.159
<v Speaker 1>way of saying, be mindful. You know, own your shit

1330
01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:18.520
<v Speaker 1>is actually a secret when you take responsibility for your

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01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:23.159
<v Speaker 1>role in life. And yes, I'm not saying like, no,

1332
01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:25.119
<v Speaker 1>we're not all in the same boat. I get that,

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01:12:25.399 --> 01:12:28.760
<v Speaker 1>but owning your shit, owning your challenges, having insight is

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01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:33.159
<v Speaker 1>absolutely life changing. So I'm glad that somebody picked up

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01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:35.239
<v Speaker 1>on that. But then, how about our name plates for

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01:12:35.319 --> 01:12:38.319
<v Speaker 1>our conference table that you printed out all, Oh my.

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01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, yeah, I don't have those handy, so mine, said

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01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:45.239
<v Speaker 2>doctor Shiloh. I'm a fucking professional.

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01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:48.640
<v Speaker 1>Underneath mine said, I'm a professional, know it all.

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01:12:49.000 --> 01:12:52.000
<v Speaker 2>Professional, know it all, Doctor Scott, professional know it all. Yes,

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01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:54.840
<v Speaker 2>those were our job titles that we put out on

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01:12:55.199 --> 01:13:01.439
<v Speaker 2>our tables. John, who is amazing wealth of knowledge. We've

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01:13:01.439 --> 01:13:05.319
<v Speaker 2>talked about him before, who just knows everything about the

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01:13:05.399 --> 01:13:07.840
<v Speaker 2>vintage stuff and entertainment.

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01:13:07.920 --> 01:13:11.039
<v Speaker 1>Like beyond any of my colleagues, and I have a

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01:13:11.239 --> 01:13:13.720
<v Speaker 1>lot of colleagues, but he is exceptional.

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01:13:14.439 --> 01:13:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Yes, So he reached all the way back to episode six,

1348
01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:23.199
<v Speaker 2>which was when we talked about therapists depictions in entertainment.

1349
01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:28.920
<v Speaker 2>But this little back and forth where I know, I

1350
01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:30.279
<v Speaker 2>don't know what we're talking about, but I said, I

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01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:32.960
<v Speaker 2>can't answer this question because I don't watch Star Trek.

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01:13:33.960 --> 01:13:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, I knew something was wrong with you. I just knew.

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01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:38.920
<v Speaker 1>And I said, Okay, yeah, I knew something that's wrong

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01:13:39.000 --> 01:13:39.159
<v Speaker 1>with you.

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01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:42.720
<v Speaker 2>And this is so funny because John, I'll get a

1356
01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:44.560
<v Speaker 2>kick out of this. But I just I went up

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01:13:44.600 --> 01:13:46.520
<v Speaker 2>to San Francisco on Sunday night to go to a

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01:13:46.600 --> 01:13:50.840
<v Speaker 2>board meeting on Monday, and at our hotel where we

1359
01:13:50.920 --> 01:13:53.079
<v Speaker 2>were having our board meeting and staying was a Star

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01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Trek convention. And I walk in the hotel and I

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01:13:56.920 --> 01:13:59.279
<v Speaker 2>just immediately see a guy with twenty ears and I'm like,

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01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:01.199
<v Speaker 2>what is happening? And then all of a sudden, like

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01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:03.800
<v Speaker 2>a panel must have let out, and they were everywhere.

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01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:06.640
<v Speaker 2>And so here I am sitting with a bunch of

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01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:10.680
<v Speaker 2>cops like it was negotiators, and we're surrounded by people

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01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:14.039
<v Speaker 2>painted green and people in their little Star Trek outfits,

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01:14:14.640 --> 01:14:17.239
<v Speaker 2>and it was it was pretty funny. I was like,

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01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:19.880
<v Speaker 2>there's something for everyone. This is what people are looking

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01:14:19.920 --> 01:14:23.279
<v Speaker 2>at me when I'm at some Twin Peaks festival. But

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01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:26.319
<v Speaker 2>good times. He also commented he thought it was a

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01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:30.760
<v Speaker 2>behind the couch episode, so he was paraphrasing here, but basically,

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01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:33.079
<v Speaker 2>you're like, hey, it's autumn and that makes me think

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01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:36.000
<v Speaker 2>of putting on my old cardigan and sipping a Pumpkin'spice latte.

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01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:38.199
<v Speaker 2>And then I called you a basic bitch, And I.

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01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:41.079
<v Speaker 1>Said, I'm such a basic bitch because I am like

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01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:43.960
<v Speaker 1>you owned your shit. Well I own my shit. I like,

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01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:47.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, I like I'll sometimes allow myself to feel

1378
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:50.840
<v Speaker 1>a little bit special. Uh, you know what, We're all.

1379
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:55.239
<v Speaker 2>Unique, We're all unique, but we're all basic bitches, right.

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01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:59.319
<v Speaker 2>So I wanted to go back onto our Instagram. I

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01:14:59.399 --> 01:15:01.600
<v Speaker 2>pulled some what I would do, like I would just

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01:15:01.760 --> 01:15:05.960
<v Speaker 2>make these posts with quotes and I don't know if

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01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:08.439
<v Speaker 2>you know what This one is from these are very early,

1384
01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:11.720
<v Speaker 2>like I'm talking first few episodes, but the quote is

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01:15:11.840 --> 01:15:14.920
<v Speaker 2>and I have zero context for this is and this

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01:15:15.079 --> 01:15:18.640
<v Speaker 2>is you Chaz Darling, which was a name that we referenced,

1387
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:22.159
<v Speaker 2>and you said, like a drag queen in Tampa. And

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01:15:22.239 --> 01:15:23.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who Chazz Darling was.

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01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:27.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't even remember that. Oh my gosh, but you

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01:15:28.039 --> 01:15:29.960
<v Speaker 1>pulled that out of queen Tampa.

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01:15:30.199 --> 01:15:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my god, Tampa. And then I have another

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01:15:33.439 --> 01:15:37.399
<v Speaker 2>one that's where you said, I don't know if this

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01:15:37.479 --> 01:15:39.479
<v Speaker 2>was you or me, Actually, let's get rid of that

1394
01:15:39.560 --> 01:15:42.439
<v Speaker 2>pesky murder charge and get you a job in law enforcement.

1395
01:15:43.279 --> 01:15:46.079
<v Speaker 2>So someone must have killed somebody and then gotten a

1396
01:15:46.159 --> 01:15:48.960
<v Speaker 2>job as a cop. Gosh, where did the other one go?

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01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:53.560
<v Speaker 2>And then one of us said non missionary sex, what

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01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:54.239
<v Speaker 2>a concept?

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01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:56.920
<v Speaker 5>So I don't know.

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01:15:57.279 --> 01:15:59.239
<v Speaker 2>Apparently back then thought.

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01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:02.399
<v Speaker 1>They were hilarious, and it's really hard to tell would

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01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:04.680
<v Speaker 1>have said that now at this point either one of

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01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:05.239
<v Speaker 1>us would have.

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01:16:05.720 --> 01:16:09.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, totally. I mean, and you guys, I know

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01:16:09.600 --> 01:16:12.000
<v Speaker 2>there's so many and we tried for a minute. I

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01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:15.119
<v Speaker 2>think I posted a handful of Scott takes, you know,

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01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:17.960
<v Speaker 2>some audio on our social media of Scott's hot take

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01:16:18.039 --> 01:16:20.279
<v Speaker 2>of the episode. But I just could not keep up

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01:16:20.319 --> 01:16:21.439
<v Speaker 2>with it, like I wish.

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01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:26.039
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know. It's one of the things that

1411
01:16:26.159 --> 01:16:29.680
<v Speaker 1>was really frustrating because both of us have like some

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01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:31.840
<v Speaker 1>like when we get going, we had some really good

1413
01:16:31.880 --> 01:16:35.399
<v Speaker 1>quips and one of our pre we love our current platform,

1414
01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:38.760
<v Speaker 1>and we our platform current platform love it. Yeah, but

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01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:42.000
<v Speaker 1>one of our previous platforms had this little thing where

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01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:45.640
<v Speaker 1>listeners who were listening to shows on that platform could

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01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.840
<v Speaker 1>pick their favorite quote and post it like it was.

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01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:52.359
<v Speaker 1>It was a great little little thing to have happened.

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01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry to see that go. That would have been

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01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:59.399
<v Speaker 1>really cool. So you going on to fan favorite episodes,

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01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:02.399
<v Speaker 1>Bridget you know, who was so helpful and helping us

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01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:05.119
<v Speaker 1>pick these things out. Went on to say that her

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01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:08.760
<v Speaker 1>favorite episode was always the Patreon episode with the Tennis

1424
01:17:08.840 --> 01:17:13.279
<v Speaker 1>podcast talking about the smartest serial killers. Yeah, it was

1425
01:17:13.520 --> 01:17:14.399
<v Speaker 1>great conversation.

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01:17:14.960 --> 01:17:20.199
<v Speaker 2>That was so you guys, We've done crossovers with Tennis podcast.

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01:17:21.319 --> 01:17:25.640
<v Speaker 2>I've been on the show as a guest host several times.

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01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:28.239
<v Speaker 2>We still need to get you on there, doctor Scott.

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01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:31.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna dm Nick, who couldn't be here tonight. We

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01:17:31.920 --> 01:17:34.279
<v Speaker 2>invited him to be on but you can make it.

1431
01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:40.039
<v Speaker 2>But they do top ten lists that the other person

1432
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:42.520
<v Speaker 2>has to guess, and so we had them on a

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01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Patreon episode eventually was you know, I think it was

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01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:47.800
<v Speaker 2>a live stream that we did, probably back on Get

1435
01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:52.279
<v Speaker 2>Vocal in those days. But Nick and I teamed up

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01:17:52.399 --> 01:17:56.039
<v Speaker 2>and quizzed you and his then co host Brandon on

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01:17:56.279 --> 01:18:00.720
<v Speaker 2>Smartest serial Killers based on IQ and so much fun.

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01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Love them, love them, but also at this point a

1439
01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:09.840
<v Speaker 2>nice little time capsule because Brandon has since passed away,

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01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:13.239
<v Speaker 2>and therefore, you know, Nick has kind of a rotation

1441
01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:17.039
<v Speaker 2>of guest hosts on the show. Wonderful show still, but

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01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:20.479
<v Speaker 2>there's really nothing like the days of Nick and Brandon,

1443
01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:22.319
<v Speaker 2>like when I first started listening to them, Like, these

1444
01:18:22.359 --> 01:18:24.720
<v Speaker 2>guys are like the brothers I never had.

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01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:29.520
<v Speaker 1>It's just incredibly sweet, sweet, smart, funny guys just just

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01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:31.680
<v Speaker 1>top notche, both of them, just top notche.

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01:18:32.199 --> 01:18:32.399
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:38.159
<v Speaker 2>So other fan favorite episodes, so don from Instagram. I

1449
01:18:38.199 --> 01:18:40.720
<v Speaker 2>giggle because there's a theme here, but she says, I

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01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:43.880
<v Speaker 2>really enjoyed the Disney Crimes episodes, including them Behind the

1451
01:18:43.920 --> 01:18:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Couch from twenty twenty, because we did a follow up,

1452
01:18:46.039 --> 01:18:48.640
<v Speaker 2>we had so many like Disney crimes that we did

1453
01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:52.199
<v Speaker 2>a follow up and she said, I just discovered the

1454
01:18:52.239 --> 01:18:55.920
<v Speaker 2>podcast and Scott's anecdotes had me hooked along with your

1455
01:18:55.920 --> 01:19:00.840
<v Speaker 2>commitment to and explanations of Disney culture, the psychology of

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01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Disney culture.

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01:19:02.279 --> 01:19:04.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, we're part of it. I mean I

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01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:06.680
<v Speaker 1>think that there's actually a lot to talk about that

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01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:09.520
<v Speaker 1>we referred to actually without going into it, we've talked

1460
01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:12.439
<v Speaker 1>about it on that content that we've created, but there

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01:19:12.520 --> 01:19:15.439
<v Speaker 1>was also like for me, one of the things that

1462
01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:20.880
<v Speaker 1>is about how it meshes our friendship together is these

1463
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:25.239
<v Speaker 1>really amazing moments in my life and in the joining

1464
01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:29.720
<v Speaker 1>of our families that we spent going there and being

1465
01:19:29.920 --> 01:19:32.399
<v Speaker 1>kids again, like to be able. You know, when you're

1466
01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:35.039
<v Speaker 1>going the stress of grad school goes away when you're

1467
01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:38.279
<v Speaker 1>just allowing yourself to eat as much sugar as you

1468
01:19:38.359 --> 01:19:41.720
<v Speaker 1>want and be on rides and be silly and also

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01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:45.560
<v Speaker 1>enjoy other and watch other people enjoying themselves. So like,

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01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:47.920
<v Speaker 1>I get it. It's not for everybody. I mean, I

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01:19:48.079 --> 01:19:51.720
<v Speaker 1>really get it. But one of the funniest hate reviews

1472
01:19:52.399 --> 01:19:56.000
<v Speaker 1>like and it was funny because both you and Bixler

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01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:58.119
<v Speaker 1>thought that I was going to be really pissed off

1474
01:19:58.119 --> 01:20:00.920
<v Speaker 1>about it like, but you you've got called what a

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01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:05.600
<v Speaker 1>what cop? Or a cop lover or something. I can't wait,

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01:20:05.600 --> 01:20:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't remember what the adjective was for something cop

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01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:11.640
<v Speaker 1>And I got called a Disney adult, like she thought

1478
01:20:11.760 --> 01:20:15.680
<v Speaker 1>I would be insulted by that, like I I don't

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01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:19.359
<v Speaker 1>know what your I actually you know, I mean, like

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01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:23.600
<v Speaker 1>in all seriousness, like there is for those of us

1481
01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:28.279
<v Speaker 1>that had childhoods that were really you know, I wouldn't

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01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:31.640
<v Speaker 1>say I was impoverished, but there wasn't a lot going around,

1483
01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:34.119
<v Speaker 1>and so to be able to kind of recapture and

1484
01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:36.960
<v Speaker 1>reignite that and share it with friends, I think is

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01:20:37.000 --> 01:20:40.239
<v Speaker 1>actually something quite beautiful. Yes, it's a corporate entity, but

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01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:42.159
<v Speaker 1>it was like a really cool experience and I kind

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01:20:42.199 --> 01:20:45.760
<v Speaker 1>of felt sorry it is, like what what is that about?

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01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:49.239
<v Speaker 1>Like projecting like a Disney adult? Like I could almost

1489
01:20:49.279 --> 01:20:52.279
<v Speaker 1>imagine that it's being spit out like that. But you

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01:20:52.359 --> 01:20:54.119
<v Speaker 1>know what, everybody, you know, you do you?

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01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no kidding. And then Jeff from Facebook he said,

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01:20:57.680 --> 01:20:59.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm a big fan of the Disney episode. So I

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01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:01.079
<v Speaker 2>mean we had more the one person when we put

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01:21:01.079 --> 01:21:04.399
<v Speaker 2>out there, what's your favorite episodes? That said it was

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01:21:04.439 --> 01:21:07.560
<v Speaker 2>the Disney ones. You know, interception for everything.

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01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there is, and also that that also is a

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01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:15.039
<v Speaker 1>fascinating crime about this, I mean, I'm sure they're including

1498
01:21:15.239 --> 01:21:19.880
<v Speaker 1>the one the celebration residential murders in right Orlando, which

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01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:21.359
<v Speaker 1>is just family annihilation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So we also heard a little bit more from Bridget.

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01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:30.000
<v Speaker 2>She elaborated here. She says, I love the really niche

1502
01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:34.760
<v Speaker 2>episodes no one else does in cells, body integrity, identity disorder,

1503
01:21:35.159 --> 01:21:38.600
<v Speaker 2>clergy offenders, dog shows. Remember we did a dog show

1504
01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:43.399
<v Speaker 2>episode Beauty pageants. The research is mind blowing in these areas,

1505
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:46.960
<v Speaker 2>and it's nice having it summarized and challenging. What is

1506
01:21:47.000 --> 01:21:50.239
<v Speaker 2>presented in entertainment is so important. I really enjoyed the

1507
01:21:50.279 --> 01:21:53.720
<v Speaker 2>Patreon guest who talked about hazing, and in light of

1508
01:21:53.800 --> 01:21:56.239
<v Speaker 2>the abortion bands in the US, I was really interested

1509
01:21:56.359 --> 01:22:00.640
<v Speaker 2>in infanticide and how this increases when abortion is less available.

1510
01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:05.920
<v Speaker 2>My favorite soapbox is around rape laws targeting gay sex.

1511
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:10.439
<v Speaker 2>She says, although I've probably oversimplified this massively, and as

1512
01:22:10.479 --> 01:22:14.960
<v Speaker 2>a psychologist, I love being able to formulate. Also, Richard Ramirez,

1513
01:22:15.119 --> 01:22:18.039
<v Speaker 2>based on the history you provided of him, it didn't

1514
01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:21.239
<v Speaker 2>make me forgive his crimes, just understand the pathway that

1515
01:22:21.359 --> 01:22:23.960
<v Speaker 2>got him there. And then I'm very proud of her

1516
01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:28.279
<v Speaker 2>very last comment here where she says, and you brought

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01:22:28.319 --> 01:22:31.319
<v Speaker 2>me over to team intruder on the John Benney Ramsey case.

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01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:34.399
<v Speaker 2>So that was a very sweet summary of a lot

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01:22:34.479 --> 01:22:36.079
<v Speaker 2>of what we've covered a lot.

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01:22:36.600 --> 01:22:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm also really happy that that particular formulation works for

1521
01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:50.000
<v Speaker 1>It works for a lot of people because when when

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01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:55.159
<v Speaker 1>you are an observer of this media on I wouldn't

1523
01:22:55.159 --> 01:22:57.760
<v Speaker 1>say a supervisial level, but on a base level, it's

1524
01:22:57.920 --> 01:23:01.039
<v Speaker 1>just really easy, depending on how the media is presented,

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01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:06.199
<v Speaker 1>to fall into this perspective that people are all good

1526
01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:10.920
<v Speaker 1>or all bad and they're they're not. People can do absolutely,

1527
01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:14.960
<v Speaker 1>absolutely heinous things that they absolutely should be punished for.

1528
01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:19.760
<v Speaker 1>But let's not shut off our understanding for how people

1529
01:23:19.960 --> 01:23:23.600
<v Speaker 1>get there, so that we as a society and we

1530
01:23:23.720 --> 01:23:28.359
<v Speaker 1>as individuals endeavor to prevent that from happening. You know,

1531
01:23:28.439 --> 01:23:30.640
<v Speaker 1>we should all be thinking about it, like if we

1532
01:23:30.920 --> 01:23:33.039
<v Speaker 1>say that we love our kids so much and we

1533
01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:35.399
<v Speaker 1>want to keep our kids safe, and let's actually do it,

1534
01:23:35.800 --> 01:23:39.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, let's actually protect our kids so that that

1535
01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:43.000
<v Speaker 1>match never gets lit. To throw on the fire of

1536
01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:46.680
<v Speaker 1>those of the three footed stool metaphor that you use.

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01:23:47.079 --> 01:23:49.439
<v Speaker 2>Well and I nothing.

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01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:50.199
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

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01:23:50.359 --> 01:23:53.560
<v Speaker 2>It's just always humbling to me when we get good

1540
01:23:53.640 --> 01:23:59.560
<v Speaker 2>feedback from other mental health professionals, because just like any

1541
01:23:59.680 --> 01:24:01.960
<v Speaker 2>other profession I think we can always kind of look

1542
01:24:02.000 --> 01:24:05.920
<v Speaker 2>at each other with like an assessment of you know,

1543
01:24:06.039 --> 01:24:08.239
<v Speaker 2>how good are they compared to me? Or you know,

1544
01:24:08.359 --> 01:24:10.479
<v Speaker 2>do they know their stuff or that sort of thing.

1545
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:14.000
<v Speaker 2>And for somebody like Bridget who's a psychologist, or the

1546
01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:19.359
<v Speaker 2>amazing social workers or psychiatric nurses or you know, MFTs

1547
01:24:19.439 --> 01:24:22.600
<v Speaker 2>that write in and tell us what our show has

1548
01:24:22.920 --> 01:24:26.199
<v Speaker 2>given them or meant to them or help them in

1549
01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:31.199
<v Speaker 2>different perspectives is amazing. And then you can have someone

1550
01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:33.840
<v Speaker 2>that's just a fan of true crime and a novice

1551
01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:36.880
<v Speaker 2>and wants to know a little bit more. And I

1552
01:24:36.920 --> 01:24:39.560
<v Speaker 2>think it's a lot to be proud of that our

1553
01:24:39.880 --> 01:24:45.159
<v Speaker 2>show reaches that spectrum of folks. So I don't care

1554
01:24:45.199 --> 01:24:47.199
<v Speaker 2>how big our audience is. The fact that there is

1555
01:24:47.640 --> 01:24:50.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of people sprinkled all over that spectrum

1556
01:24:50.479 --> 01:24:51.720
<v Speaker 2>is what makes it really special.

1557
01:24:51.880 --> 01:24:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's great, it's awesome, and we have the best

1558
01:24:54.680 --> 01:24:59.640
<v Speaker 1>audiences ever and every we just do. I don't have

1559
01:24:59.720 --> 01:25:01.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot to compare it to with other people that

1560
01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:03.680
<v Speaker 1>have I mean no, I guess some of our guests

1561
01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:07.359
<v Speaker 1>today they talk about their interaction with with their listeners,

1562
01:25:07.640 --> 01:25:11.319
<v Speaker 1>and I think we've just been lucky to associate with

1563
01:25:11.439 --> 01:25:14.760
<v Speaker 1>some really stellar people that has helped us keep our

1564
01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:19.520
<v Speaker 1>keep our standards high, which is a difference. Let's let's

1565
01:25:19.560 --> 01:25:22.159
<v Speaker 1>go on to we want to do a little bit

1566
01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:24.319
<v Speaker 1>of a Q and ah. The people that are still

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01:25:24.359 --> 01:25:27.560
<v Speaker 1>with us, thank you so much. You're just wonderful to

1568
01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:30.319
<v Speaker 1>listen to you guys us here and stroke ourselves. But

1569
01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:32.279
<v Speaker 1>that sounded gross. Sorry, did not mean to say that,

1570
01:25:32.479 --> 01:25:34.479
<v Speaker 1>like pat ourselves in the back. That's what I meant.

1571
01:25:34.520 --> 01:25:37.119
<v Speaker 1>That's what I meant. If you have questions in the chat,

1572
01:25:37.279 --> 01:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>but I'm going to answer a couple of them right now,

1573
01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:43.960
<v Speaker 1>or both of us actually will communicate from Instagram. Said

1574
01:25:44.039 --> 01:25:48.039
<v Speaker 1>what databases do you use when researching your shows? And

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01:25:48.319 --> 01:25:51.680
<v Speaker 1>we use a lot. We actually have a lot of resources.

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01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:54.920
<v Speaker 2>Number of sources, yeah, tons of sources. I mean obviously

1577
01:25:55.119 --> 01:25:57.960
<v Speaker 2>we've kind of mentioned like books and oh gosh, I'm

1578
01:25:58.000 --> 01:26:00.399
<v Speaker 2>so sorry, I need to update the website too. On

1579
01:26:00.560 --> 01:26:03.319
<v Speaker 2>our resources, we always put a resource page there for

1580
01:26:03.359 --> 01:26:06.359
<v Speaker 2>you guys. But as far as databases go, I mean,

1581
01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:10.880
<v Speaker 2>if you can get a research gate account, it's a

1582
01:26:11.000 --> 01:26:13.960
<v Speaker 2>great place to start for just to start throwing in

1583
01:26:14.199 --> 01:26:18.920
<v Speaker 2>some terms and seeing what journal articles come up. So

1584
01:26:19.119 --> 01:26:22.800
<v Speaker 2>many of them are accessible as a full PDF download.

1585
01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Other ones you might not be able to access, but

1586
01:26:25.560 --> 01:26:28.319
<v Speaker 2>there's a button right there that says request from the author.

1587
01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Then you're not having to like subscribe to a database

1588
01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:34.800
<v Speaker 2>that you have to pay to get something. Sometimes they'll

1589
01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:36.039
<v Speaker 2>just send you the pdf.

1590
01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:40.800
<v Speaker 1>So researchers are so happy that somebody like, oh, looking

1591
01:26:40.800 --> 01:26:43.319
<v Speaker 1>at my paper, they'll send you the pdf. It's great.

1592
01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:46.479
<v Speaker 1>Totally Google, you know, Google is a part of the

1593
01:26:46.760 --> 01:26:52.079
<v Speaker 1>evil Empire right now, unfortunately, but Google Scholar has been

1594
01:26:52.319 --> 01:26:55.640
<v Speaker 1>a real boon to us. The thing with any search

1595
01:26:55.720 --> 01:27:00.319
<v Speaker 1>engine if you're not going directly to the journals page

1596
01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:04.119
<v Speaker 1>like Sage Journal or ebsco host. I mean, I have

1597
01:27:04.239 --> 01:27:07.520
<v Speaker 1>an ongoing membership to ebsco host, which gives me access

1598
01:27:07.560 --> 01:27:10.560
<v Speaker 1>to all the psych journals, which is great. I wish

1599
01:27:10.600 --> 01:27:13.479
<v Speaker 1>I had the extension of that. That's all the like

1600
01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:16.840
<v Speaker 1>law enforcement research, but I you know, you have some

1601
01:27:16.960 --> 01:27:21.920
<v Speaker 1>of those. We have different forms of access basically, but always, always,

1602
01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:27.239
<v Speaker 1>always go past the first five pages on your search

1603
01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:31.319
<v Speaker 1>because the algorithm varies some of the best stuff, and

1604
01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:35.840
<v Speaker 1>that's really unfortunate. That's just unfortunately the way everything's programmed now.

1605
01:27:35.960 --> 01:27:39.279
<v Speaker 1>So you keep searching. I think that finding stuff in media,

1606
01:27:39.520 --> 01:27:43.840
<v Speaker 1>like even listicles in places like BuzzFeed, can often be

1607
01:27:44.119 --> 01:27:47.920
<v Speaker 1>a really great springboard into further research. And then and

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01:27:48.000 --> 01:27:50.119
<v Speaker 1>then I'll just go into a halt, like you guys

1609
01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:54.399
<v Speaker 1>should see our computer files. I mean, we are just

1610
01:27:55.479 --> 01:27:59.520
<v Speaker 1>stuffed with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of articles. And

1611
01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>then also one of the things if you are couldating

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01:28:02.479 --> 01:28:08.800
<v Speaker 1>research for anything, the Google Chrome extension, which I believe

1613
01:28:08.920 --> 01:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>is called libson I'm not sure, but there's a Google

1614
01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Chrome extension that takes all of your data and puts

1615
01:28:16.119 --> 01:28:19.199
<v Speaker 1>it into APA format and you can choose all of

1616
01:28:19.279 --> 01:28:23.520
<v Speaker 1>the APA format AMA format. It's a miracle. It would

1617
01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:25.760
<v Speaker 1>have changed my life. I mean, I can think about

1618
01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:28.279
<v Speaker 1>how I had to slog through doing my dissertation by hand.

1619
01:28:28.720 --> 01:28:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, all that formula.

1620
01:28:30.279 --> 01:28:33.479
<v Speaker 2>Was terrible, or just the mybib that puts your resarc

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01:28:33.920 --> 01:28:37.840
<v Speaker 2>my bib. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, And I just want

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01:28:37.880 --> 01:28:39.960
<v Speaker 2>to add real quick, Abby jumped in. It's okay that

1623
01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:41.960
<v Speaker 2>you're a late girl. Don't worry about it, but she

1624
01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:45.239
<v Speaker 2>says she loved the Britney Spears and Kanye West episodes

1625
01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:49.680
<v Speaker 2>very informative as well as the new Delphi Ethics episode

1626
01:28:50.000 --> 01:28:51.560
<v Speaker 2>was a good listen and we got a lot of

1627
01:28:52.039 --> 01:28:55.720
<v Speaker 2>We're still getting feedback trickling in about that. One of

1628
01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:59.159
<v Speaker 2>our Champagne girls was just dming me about how much

1629
01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:02.319
<v Speaker 2>she really appreciated that episode, so oh great.

1630
01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:06.640
<v Speaker 1>Well. Annabelle from Instagram said, I'd be interested in how

1631
01:29:06.800 --> 01:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>you stay safe as a forensic psyche in Australia. At

1632
01:29:11.079 --> 01:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>least forensic clients are not handcuffed when treated by their psyches.

1633
01:29:14.720 --> 01:29:17.960
<v Speaker 1>How do you not get attacked? I recently heard of

1634
01:29:18.039 --> 01:29:21.800
<v Speaker 1>a murderer who killed the forensic psychiatrist who had testified

1635
01:29:21.840 --> 01:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>against him. How about families that have their kids taken

1636
01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:27.560
<v Speaker 1>away revenge plots. I'd be interested in forensic psyche, but

1637
01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to die. You know, that's a really,

1638
01:29:31.960 --> 01:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>really good question. I think that we've talked about various

1639
01:29:35.119 --> 01:29:38.680
<v Speaker 1>elements of it. I will say this, I have never

1640
01:29:38.920 --> 01:29:46.039
<v Speaker 1>felt more safe than when I was working in a prison. Yeah,

1641
01:29:46.119 --> 01:29:50.520
<v Speaker 1>because it is a very very controlled environment. It is

1642
01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:55.399
<v Speaker 1>not inmates who are in a position of being high acuity,

1643
01:29:55.439 --> 01:29:57.800
<v Speaker 1>they've been there for a while, they're settled into their

1644
01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>routine or what they call program. And there's also no

1645
01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:07.800
<v Speaker 1>cred in harming a mental health worker. Like there's a

1646
01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:11.520
<v Speaker 1>really famous and horrific, horrific, tragic case here in California

1647
01:30:11.920 --> 01:30:15.319
<v Speaker 1>where a female social worker, lovely, lovely, middle aged female

1648
01:30:15.359 --> 01:30:21.239
<v Speaker 1>social worker was murdered by an inmate who then you know,

1649
01:30:21.399 --> 01:30:24.039
<v Speaker 1>tried to hide her body and you know, was discovered

1650
01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:28.279
<v Speaker 1>very quickly, and you know, he got his time extended,

1651
01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and like he got the legal ramifications. But what you

1652
01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:37.520
<v Speaker 1>don't hear a lot about is that guy got fucked

1653
01:30:37.800 --> 01:30:43.640
<v Speaker 1>up in prison because he took out somebody that inmates

1654
01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:48.279
<v Speaker 1>see generally as an advocate. You know, it's a neutral party, true,

1655
01:30:48.600 --> 01:30:49.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's a neutral party.

1656
01:30:50.359 --> 01:30:52.239
<v Speaker 2>And I found that on the outside as well, you know,

1657
01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:57.479
<v Speaker 2>working with people post incarceration back in the community. I'm

1658
01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:01.479
<v Speaker 2>not exaggerating when I say, like I have seen them

1659
01:31:02.119 --> 01:31:07.239
<v Speaker 2>be incredibly protective of staff at the clinic in a

1660
01:31:07.359 --> 01:31:09.920
<v Speaker 2>way that was almost like, whoa, you don't need to

1661
01:31:09.960 --> 01:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>go back to prison for me, right, Like.

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01:31:12.159 --> 01:31:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm in that position, Yeah, yeah, did you No,

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01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:17.119
<v Speaker 1>It's fine.

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01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:20.279
<v Speaker 2>We had had we had a receptionist at my clinic

1665
01:31:20.560 --> 01:31:23.520
<v Speaker 2>that you know, probably told someone they needed to sign

1666
01:31:23.560 --> 01:31:26.199
<v Speaker 2>in when they didn't sign in or something, and she

1667
01:31:26.319 --> 01:31:28.119
<v Speaker 2>went out to her car and she had left her

1668
01:31:28.199 --> 01:31:30.239
<v Speaker 2>window rolled down a little bit and somebody had dumped

1669
01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:31.760
<v Speaker 2>like an ash tray in it.

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01:31:32.279 --> 01:31:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Right.

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01:31:32.600 --> 01:31:36.159
<v Speaker 2>So the guys in the group, when they found out

1672
01:31:36.199 --> 01:31:38.159
<v Speaker 2>that someone did that, and we assumed that it was

1673
01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:40.319
<v Speaker 2>probably someone from the clinic, they were like, who is it.

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01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:42.359
<v Speaker 2>We'll find them and we were like, whoa.

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01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:44.399
<v Speaker 1>You know, I mean there's a dynamic. I mean that

1676
01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:49.119
<v Speaker 1>that in itself that sort of relaxed inability to mitigate

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01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:53.279
<v Speaker 1>or regulate their emotionality. I mean we can say like, oh,

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01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:57.159
<v Speaker 1>they feel protective, but it's also like that disinhibition is

1679
01:31:57.239 --> 01:32:01.800
<v Speaker 1>part of probably what's why they ended up getting in trouble. Right, So,

1680
01:32:02.760 --> 01:32:04.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, Annabelle went on, I mean, I'm just going

1681
01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:06.760
<v Speaker 1>to just go back to one point that she made about,

1682
01:32:07.079 --> 01:32:10.479
<v Speaker 1>you know, a person who unlived. I should use that

1683
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:13.439
<v Speaker 1>term unlive to forensic psychiatrists too at testified against him.

1684
01:32:14.399 --> 01:32:19.359
<v Speaker 1>You know that certainly, thankfully, is a rare occurrence. But

1685
01:32:19.520 --> 01:32:22.319
<v Speaker 1>I would also say that there would be no difference

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01:32:22.439 --> 01:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>between that forensic psychiatrist and any other paid professional that

1687
01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:32.119
<v Speaker 1>comes upon the stand and testifies. Like there are judges,

1688
01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:34.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not really well, not really talked about,

1689
01:32:34.760 --> 01:32:39.479
<v Speaker 1>but through across the country, many retired judges that do

1690
01:32:39.680 --> 01:32:45.279
<v Speaker 1>high profile criminal cases actually move, They move far away

1691
01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:48.319
<v Speaker 1>from the areas where they practiced as soon as they retired,

1692
01:32:48.479 --> 01:32:52.159
<v Speaker 1>and they, you know, because they don't want to be

1693
01:32:52.399 --> 01:32:55.039
<v Speaker 1>in the vicinity of the people that they helped put

1694
01:32:55.079 --> 01:32:59.079
<v Speaker 1>behind bars. So those things happen, thankfully, it's very rare.

1695
01:32:59.760 --> 01:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it's an amazing career. It's not for everybody,

1696
01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:07.239
<v Speaker 1>but you know, even as a forensic psych we've talked

1697
01:33:07.239 --> 01:33:10.960
<v Speaker 1>about this in episodes where you may if you are

1698
01:33:11.319 --> 01:33:14.000
<v Speaker 1>an employee of the state or the county and you're

1699
01:33:14.039 --> 01:33:19.359
<v Speaker 1>working in a correctional setting, your client is actually your employer,

1700
01:33:20.319 --> 01:33:25.399
<v Speaker 1>like so there's actually limited there's limited confidentiality in a

1701
01:33:25.439 --> 01:33:28.560
<v Speaker 1>setting like that. So the person you're talking to is

1702
01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:31.439
<v Speaker 1>very well aware of that and if you explain it well, like, hey,

1703
01:33:31.800 --> 01:33:33.800
<v Speaker 1>I want this to be a space for you, but

1704
01:33:33.960 --> 01:33:36.640
<v Speaker 1>you understand my role, right, My role here is to

1705
01:33:36.760 --> 01:33:39.439
<v Speaker 1>understand what's making you tick. And there are some people

1706
01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:42.279
<v Speaker 1>that are cold, and I don't want a victim blame

1707
01:33:42.439 --> 01:33:46.680
<v Speaker 1>at all. But like you know, you also need to

1708
01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:50.760
<v Speaker 1>have a bearing that is somewhat neutral, even if you're

1709
01:33:50.800 --> 01:33:53.720
<v Speaker 1>talking about things that are way over on one side

1710
01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:56.439
<v Speaker 1>of the scale. If you present it neutrallly, there's less

1711
01:33:56.600 --> 01:33:58.479
<v Speaker 1>likely that you will be in danger.

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01:33:58.760 --> 01:34:02.039
<v Speaker 2>To just speak on working out in the community. Let's

1713
01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:05.079
<v Speaker 2>say you work for a company, a clinic, a parole office,

1714
01:34:05.159 --> 01:34:07.000
<v Speaker 2>you know something like that. Obviously, if you work at

1715
01:34:07.039 --> 01:34:10.800
<v Speaker 2>like a parole office or affiliated with a government agency

1716
01:34:10.840 --> 01:34:14.680
<v Speaker 2>where there's law enforcement around, it's going to be by

1717
01:34:14.800 --> 01:34:16.880
<v Speaker 2>nature a more safe place, right they know to be

1718
01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:19.960
<v Speaker 2>on their best behavior there. There's people that can step

1719
01:34:20.039 --> 01:34:22.960
<v Speaker 2>in in a clinic setting, they know that there's a

1720
01:34:23.000 --> 01:34:26.079
<v Speaker 2>possibility that like a parole agent could step in at

1721
01:34:26.079 --> 01:34:28.319
<v Speaker 2>any time. So there's a little bit of that sort

1722
01:34:28.359 --> 01:34:31.520
<v Speaker 2>of fear there, but it's it is really the responsibility

1723
01:34:31.560 --> 01:34:34.680
<v Speaker 2>of the clinic and the staff to make good decisions

1724
01:34:34.920 --> 01:34:38.279
<v Speaker 2>right where you don't have somebody running a group by

1725
01:34:38.319 --> 01:34:40.720
<v Speaker 2>themselves when there's nobody else in the clinic, or that

1726
01:34:40.880 --> 01:34:45.159
<v Speaker 2>there's just one or two women closing up at night

1727
01:34:45.399 --> 01:34:48.720
<v Speaker 2>after that group, let's out at seven o'clock at night

1728
01:34:48.800 --> 01:34:52.399
<v Speaker 2>and it's dark, and the higher risk offenders. The higher

1729
01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:56.960
<v Speaker 2>risk groups or the more violent or contact offense oriented

1730
01:34:57.199 --> 01:35:00.279
<v Speaker 2>people are seen during the day, right when there's lot

1731
01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:03.560
<v Speaker 2>of people around. There's just ways that clinics put those

1732
01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:08.359
<v Speaker 2>practices into motion, but it's it should be a constant conversation.

1733
01:35:09.079 --> 01:35:11.880
<v Speaker 2>There are moments I've talked about moments where I've had

1734
01:35:11.920 --> 01:35:14.800
<v Speaker 2>a client like act out in a group, throw something

1735
01:35:14.880 --> 01:35:17.720
<v Speaker 2>across the room, stare daggers at me, and I've had

1736
01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:19.720
<v Speaker 2>to tell him I've had to kick him out, And

1737
01:35:19.800 --> 01:35:21.600
<v Speaker 2>then looking back on it, I'm like, oh, it's just

1738
01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:26.640
<v Speaker 2>me and my receptionist, who's the sweetest, most docile, adorable

1739
01:35:26.840 --> 01:35:27.880
<v Speaker 2>person in the world.

1740
01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:29.039
<v Speaker 10>But it was.

1741
01:35:29.159 --> 01:35:31.960
<v Speaker 2>Immediately me leaving the group, locking the door behind him,

1742
01:35:32.119 --> 01:35:35.479
<v Speaker 2>calling his parle agent, and then you know, going about

1743
01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:38.680
<v Speaker 2>that the rest of that night. But I also had

1744
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:42.720
<v Speaker 2>a group of people that were very, very low risk,

1745
01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:45.840
<v Speaker 2>majority elderly. Like there's just a ton of factors you

1746
01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:49.960
<v Speaker 2>have to take into consideration. But if you're ever feeling

1747
01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:52.600
<v Speaker 2>in your stomach, in your gut, like I don't want

1748
01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:54.319
<v Speaker 2>to be left alone with this person, I don't want

1749
01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:55.760
<v Speaker 2>to I don't think this is a good idea to

1750
01:35:55.800 --> 01:35:58.880
<v Speaker 2>have this group at a certain time. Talk to your supervision,

1751
01:35:59.479 --> 01:36:01.760
<v Speaker 2>make that known and they should be able to work

1752
01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:04.760
<v Speaker 2>in you know, making you comfortable and making sure safety

1753
01:36:04.920 --> 01:36:06.319
<v Speaker 2>is absolutely number one.

1754
01:36:06.920 --> 01:36:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, great, great advice. Another one of our listeners, to

1755
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Girl nineteen ninety nine asks what books or other media

1756
01:36:16.039 --> 01:36:18.279
<v Speaker 1>do you have for a girl trying to overcome a

1757
01:36:18.439 --> 01:36:24.119
<v Speaker 1>toxic parent or mother. So, first of all, as overused

1758
01:36:24.279 --> 01:36:28.039
<v Speaker 1>as a term as this is, I really want to

1759
01:36:28.079 --> 01:36:32.359
<v Speaker 1>hold space for anyone who's in this position. Just know

1760
01:36:32.640 --> 01:36:35.760
<v Speaker 1>that I am no as a clinician that I've seen

1761
01:36:35.840 --> 01:36:42.079
<v Speaker 1>this so often and in ways that make me get

1762
01:36:42.119 --> 01:36:45.119
<v Speaker 1>a perspective on my own upbringing that I'm like, I

1763
01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:48.199
<v Speaker 1>am much more grateful for my upbringing at this stage

1764
01:36:48.239 --> 01:36:50.920
<v Speaker 1>of my life than I ever have been. And I

1765
01:36:51.359 --> 01:36:54.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, I hear what you're saying, So you know

1766
01:36:55.279 --> 01:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the one. There are a couple of books that I

1767
01:36:57.239 --> 01:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>highly highly recommend. You can get them used on. You

1768
01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:02.920
<v Speaker 1>can rent a lot of them from your local library

1769
01:37:03.079 --> 01:37:05.920
<v Speaker 1>digitally and that goes right to your kindle lap. But

1770
01:37:06.199 --> 01:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>the go to is Adult Children of the Emotionally Immature.

1771
01:37:10.720 --> 01:37:12.840
<v Speaker 1>And one of the reasons I like it is because

1772
01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:16.720
<v Speaker 1>it really doesn't even in the title, it doesn't center

1773
01:37:16.880 --> 01:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>in on narcissism so much is like a strict diagnosis,

1774
01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:22.760
<v Speaker 1>but it gives you know, because we don't want to

1775
01:37:22.800 --> 01:37:25.520
<v Speaker 1>over diagnose everybody. But you know, you can have traits

1776
01:37:25.600 --> 01:37:28.079
<v Speaker 1>and be completely self centered and just be, you know,

1777
01:37:28.920 --> 01:37:32.680
<v Speaker 1>a jackass. Right, So adult children are the emotionally immature.

1778
01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:37.840
<v Speaker 1>It's also not an easy read because some of what

1779
01:37:38.079 --> 01:37:42.199
<v Speaker 1>the author does is point out, hey, you have to

1780
01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:46.800
<v Speaker 1>be careful because no matter what where you are right

1781
01:37:46.920 --> 01:37:51.399
<v Speaker 1>now and what you're struggling with, you may be more

1782
01:37:51.600 --> 01:37:55.399
<v Speaker 1>likely to be acting out to your loved ones in

1783
01:37:55.439 --> 01:37:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the way that you were taught to. And that's that

1784
01:37:58.119 --> 01:38:00.199
<v Speaker 1>hasn't stuck very well with clients at time, but I

1785
01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:03.079
<v Speaker 1>do think that there's valuable stuff in it. Another great

1786
01:38:03.119 --> 01:38:06.840
<v Speaker 1>one is Will I Ever Be Good Enough? And then

1787
01:38:07.239 --> 01:38:10.359
<v Speaker 1>another one that I find really really really good is

1788
01:38:10.520 --> 01:38:13.439
<v Speaker 1>Children of the Self Absorbed. Oh okay, I think it's

1789
01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:16.960
<v Speaker 1>really great. And then there's also this fantastic grand Dame

1790
01:38:17.520 --> 01:38:21.600
<v Speaker 1>of toxic malignant Narcissism. Not that she is, but she's

1791
01:38:21.640 --> 01:38:27.399
<v Speaker 1>an incredible writer is psychology at Yeah, psychologist doctor Eleanor Green.

1792
01:38:27.640 --> 01:38:31.079
<v Speaker 1>She's got several books out that she's like the go to,

1793
01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:34.840
<v Speaker 1>And I really have such admiration for her, and she

1794
01:38:35.039 --> 01:38:40.319
<v Speaker 1>writes many many answers on Quora about surviving narcissism. So,

1795
01:38:40.640 --> 01:38:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think that you're asking a very timely question,

1796
01:38:42.960 --> 01:38:45.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, not like I was saying, not all parents,

1797
01:38:45.239 --> 01:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>not all toxic parents are narcissists. You know, sometimes an

1798
01:38:47.960 --> 01:38:50.760
<v Speaker 1>asshole is just an asshole. But we're living in very

1799
01:38:50.840 --> 01:38:52.920
<v Speaker 1>interesting times and I want to throw something out into

1800
01:38:52.960 --> 01:38:56.359
<v Speaker 1>our listeners about this type of phenomenon, if I'm using

1801
01:38:56.399 --> 01:38:59.279
<v Speaker 1>the term correctly for this context, is that we're living

1802
01:38:59.359 --> 01:39:02.680
<v Speaker 1>in a time where they're I mean, yes, there's some

1803
01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:05.279
<v Speaker 1>really awful things going on in the world, but as

1804
01:39:05.520 --> 01:39:09.880
<v Speaker 1>far as people in Western culture starting to own their

1805
01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:15.079
<v Speaker 1>shit and looking at what's not working and taking a

1806
01:39:15.159 --> 01:39:19.680
<v Speaker 1>mirror to themselves and then also going, wait, this is

1807
01:39:19.840 --> 01:39:22.720
<v Speaker 1>not okay. These behaviors that I've been putting up with

1808
01:39:23.079 --> 01:39:27.680
<v Speaker 1>for twenty five years from toxic parents are not all right.

1809
01:39:28.479 --> 01:39:32.520
<v Speaker 1>And they're turning to the parents and they're drawing appropriate boundaries,

1810
01:39:33.079 --> 01:39:36.880
<v Speaker 1>and it's upturning society. Like there are a lot of

1811
01:39:36.920 --> 01:39:42.640
<v Speaker 1>boomers right now that refuse to take ownership of their

1812
01:39:42.720 --> 01:39:46.760
<v Speaker 1>poor parenting skills. And you know, I got a harsh

1813
01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:49.159
<v Speaker 1>lesson for some of our not maybe not our listeners,

1814
01:39:49.199 --> 01:39:51.439
<v Speaker 1>but our listeners parients. It's like, you need to clean

1815
01:39:51.520 --> 01:39:53.439
<v Speaker 1>your shit up or you're going to be alone in

1816
01:39:53.520 --> 01:39:56.960
<v Speaker 1>your old age because people are coming to the realization,

1817
01:39:57.680 --> 01:39:59.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't owe anything to anyone that has

1818
01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:00.960
<v Speaker 1>treated you like crap.

1819
01:40:01.199 --> 01:40:01.760
<v Speaker 6>You just don't.

1820
01:40:01.960 --> 01:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So take a look at those read doctor eleanor Green.

1821
01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:07.079
<v Speaker 1>I think they're really enlightening.

1822
01:40:07.560 --> 01:40:09.880
<v Speaker 2>YEP. I don't have anything to add to that. Scott's

1823
01:40:09.920 --> 01:40:11.640
<v Speaker 2>more expert in that area than I am. I do

1824
01:40:11.720 --> 01:40:13.840
<v Speaker 2>want to answer Amy's questions. She threw into the chat

1825
01:40:14.279 --> 01:40:17.399
<v Speaker 2>way back when we started, nearly two hours ago. She

1826
01:40:17.560 --> 01:40:19.640
<v Speaker 2>was just wondering how we ever got connected with Bob

1827
01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:23.439
<v Speaker 2>Bruff on Truth and Justice. I'm pretty sure it was

1828
01:40:23.560 --> 01:40:25.760
<v Speaker 2>during COVID he reached out to Tim and Lance because

1829
01:40:25.800 --> 01:40:28.760
<v Speaker 2>remember he was doing that thing where he had just

1830
01:40:28.880 --> 01:40:32.279
<v Speaker 2>podcasters on talking about a specific case. So I think

1831
01:40:32.319 --> 01:40:34.720
<v Speaker 2>you went on first and you talked about Scott Peterson,

1832
01:40:35.439 --> 01:40:38.159
<v Speaker 2>and then he had me on and I ended up

1833
01:40:38.199 --> 01:40:42.600
<v Speaker 2>talking about the is it Jonathan Orr the firefighter arsonist

1834
01:40:42.880 --> 01:40:45.520
<v Speaker 2>because Bob Ruff's former fire captain, and I was like,

1835
01:40:45.640 --> 01:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>this is the case I'm bringing you buddy. Then we

1836
01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:50.800
<v Speaker 2>went on to obviously you know guest a couple times

1837
01:40:50.880 --> 01:40:54.319
<v Speaker 2>on Truth and Justice on a season and have done

1838
01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:58.600
<v Speaker 2>some live stuff together. And also one of our good friends.

1839
01:40:58.720 --> 01:41:04.760
<v Speaker 2>So okay, So Trh Cabana three, longtime listener from Instagram said,

1840
01:41:05.239 --> 01:41:09.199
<v Speaker 2>have either of you had a client patient discussed the podcast.

1841
01:41:08.840 --> 01:41:09.840
<v Speaker 8>With you in therapy?

1842
01:41:10.159 --> 01:41:12.920
<v Speaker 2>And I was like, oh, dare you try and trick

1843
01:41:13.039 --> 01:41:15.600
<v Speaker 2>us into breaking confidentiality.

1844
01:41:16.439 --> 01:41:16.840
<v Speaker 1>After all?

1845
01:41:18.880 --> 01:41:22.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but you know, I think this dance. When I

1846
01:41:22.319 --> 01:41:25.239
<v Speaker 2>read this, I was like, okay, I'm not going to

1847
01:41:25.359 --> 01:41:28.119
<v Speaker 2>confirm or deny this. Am My thinking behind that is

1848
01:41:29.760 --> 01:41:32.760
<v Speaker 2>I invite our listeners to think, like, how would you

1849
01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:35.760
<v Speaker 2>feel if you listened to the show you're also a

1850
01:41:35.840 --> 01:41:38.960
<v Speaker 2>client of ours, and then now we're answering this question, right,

1851
01:41:39.159 --> 01:41:42.159
<v Speaker 2>So what I'm going to do is say how I

1852
01:41:42.199 --> 01:41:44.760
<v Speaker 2>would handle that, which is interesting because you sometimes we

1853
01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:46.399
<v Speaker 2>have to talk about like what if we run into

1854
01:41:46.479 --> 01:41:49.359
<v Speaker 2>each other in person outside of therapy with anyone. I

1855
01:41:49.479 --> 01:41:52.319
<v Speaker 2>talk about it all the time at work because I

1856
01:41:52.439 --> 01:41:55.720
<v Speaker 2>see people in many different capacities, not just a therapeutic

1857
01:41:55.800 --> 01:42:00.680
<v Speaker 2>setting at my job. But in this case, I would say,

1858
01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:04.159
<v Speaker 2>if you listen to the podcast, or if you've discovered

1859
01:42:04.199 --> 01:42:07.319
<v Speaker 2>the podcast, because remember we were talking about like is

1860
01:42:07.399 --> 01:42:09.520
<v Speaker 2>it at the call to google your clients, They're definitely

1861
01:42:09.560 --> 01:42:13.039
<v Speaker 2>going to google you. I will fully admit, like, I've

1862
01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:15.720
<v Speaker 2>definitely had people go, oh yeah, I googled you before

1863
01:42:15.760 --> 01:42:17.960
<v Speaker 2>I came in here, whether or not you know it's

1864
01:42:18.039 --> 01:42:23.399
<v Speaker 2>podcast related. But I would say, look, if you choose

1865
01:42:23.439 --> 01:42:26.439
<v Speaker 2>to continue to work with me as your therapist and

1866
01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:29.279
<v Speaker 2>continue to listen to the podcast, you're going to get

1867
01:42:29.319 --> 01:42:31.119
<v Speaker 2>to know me on a different level than you would

1868
01:42:31.159 --> 01:42:33.880
<v Speaker 2>some other therapist. Like you're probably going to learn things

1869
01:42:33.920 --> 01:42:39.239
<v Speaker 2>about me personally, some views my family, and that's your choice,

1870
01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:42.800
<v Speaker 2>and I can't choose that for you. I just need

1871
01:42:42.880 --> 01:42:44.920
<v Speaker 2>to know you're okay with it, and if anything ever

1872
01:42:45.039 --> 01:42:47.720
<v Speaker 2>comes up that you're uncomfortable with, let's talk about it.

1873
01:42:48.520 --> 01:42:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about it. But you know, also, it's we're

1874
01:42:52.119 --> 01:42:54.920
<v Speaker 2>here for whatever you're coming into this office with to

1875
01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:58.680
<v Speaker 2>work on. So I don't know anything different or wait,

1876
01:42:59.319 --> 01:43:00.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you want to add to that.

1877
01:43:01.000 --> 01:43:02.479
<v Speaker 1>The only thing that I would add is like, it's

1878
01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:05.760
<v Speaker 1>it's happened a couple of times, and look, I I

1879
01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:10.039
<v Speaker 1>don't think I mean I've I've had a therapist myself

1880
01:43:10.159 --> 01:43:14.880
<v Speaker 1>that was like is really well regarded as like one

1881
01:43:14.920 --> 01:43:19.640
<v Speaker 1>of the best in town, and like, I'm a good therapist,

1882
01:43:20.439 --> 01:43:23.239
<v Speaker 1>and I would say I'm even like an exceptional therapist

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<v Speaker 1>for some people. For very specific I think I always

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<v Speaker 1>say when people come in the room, plete you got

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<v Speaker 1>a shop, don't just stick with me, look at other profiles.

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<v Speaker 1>Talk to people. You need to find the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>vibes with you. But my very small private practice is

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<v Speaker 1>made up of people that feel a connection and feel safe.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they found me through the podcast or they

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<v Speaker 1>just happened to notice it, that quickly takes a back

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<v Speaker 1>seat to the work. That's awesome, you know, because we

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<v Speaker 1>dive in and it's about like, you know, you're also

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<v Speaker 1>paying me money you like, and that that's very big

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<v Speaker 1>for me. It's like, this is a this is a service.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a service, and it's a relationship, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to get everything out of it that you're paying for.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick from Tennis, last question, Yeah, where do you see

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<v Speaker 1>la not so confidential in the next year. What about

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<v Speaker 1>the next five years?

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<v Speaker 2>The big question.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got some we we both had some ideas that

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<v Speaker 1>have emerged over the past few months that would be really,

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<v Speaker 1>really awesome if they took this action, took our project

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<v Speaker 1>to a different level. That would be what would afford

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<v Speaker 1>us a little bit more ease than what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>And that may happen, it may not. I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 1>manifest it, you know, lighting candles, putting on essential oils.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see you know what you what about you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>No, Weirdly, I think like for one of the first

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<v Speaker 2>times in our podcast history, I just don't really know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not trying to think too hard about it either.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, as we have outlined kind of our looking

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<v Speaker 2>back and chatting with our friends, it seems like we've

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<v Speaker 2>like always had a trajectory, We've always had a focus

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<v Speaker 2>or like this is the next thing, the next level

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<v Speaker 2>to do, and by this time, I mean we've checked

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of those off. So I kind of love

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<v Speaker 2>that we're in a like go with the flow state.

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<v Speaker 2>As we've mentioned recently, like just professional responsibilities have changed,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, diversifying ourselves a little bit with some other

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<v Speaker 2>things that we like to do. I'm not in the

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<v Speaker 2>point where I'm like I need to make this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>bigger than ever right, Like I said, already, I love

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<v Speaker 2>our audience, who they are, what they are, what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>I just want to like talk with you take care

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<v Speaker 2>of our audience. Thank you so much, Catherine, she said

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<v Speaker 2>in the chat, like how she loves how much we

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<v Speaker 2>do interact and really like build a community with our audience.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think that's wonderful. So I feel like that

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<v Speaker 2>on one hand. And then like a week or two ago,

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<v Speaker 2>I was talking to this true crime podcaster about a

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<v Speaker 2>totally different project that had nothing to do with us,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was like, have you guys ever considered a

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<v Speaker 2>TV adaptation, which yeah, I mean we've totally been down

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<v Speaker 2>that road. But I'm like, if something if you can

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<v Speaker 2>make magic happen where this is adaptable, we're listening, but

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<v Speaker 2>we still haven't really heard anything that has made us go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that'd be amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, that's right. People people don't also don't follow through,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's the nature of Hollywood. It's like, yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>also tell them like, okay, here the parameters. We're not retired,

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<v Speaker 1>so we would love to do your project if you

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<v Speaker 1>can hit these three things. And I think that that

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<v Speaker 1>comes to a hard stop for some people, but that's Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we'll see we've you know, we've both inhabited

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<v Speaker 1>this particular space for this project while we've both been

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<v Speaker 1>working multiple jobs and multiple projects, and you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>taking time to rebalance our lives, which I think is good.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, the last few months have made a big difference.

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<v Speaker 1>I made a big shift in work, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>huge adjustment and a huge identity shift that I was

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<v Speaker 1>not expecting. All good, but like giving birth is wonderful,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like painful, right, I mean, I'm assuming because

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I had an epidural, So nobody has to be a

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<v Speaker 2>hero in my eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but are our top three recent crime stories?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, let's just wrap this up. We're almost two hours in.

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<v Speaker 2>We just really wanted to end this with. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about, you know, kind of what's in the future,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sorry, it's a big I don't know. I

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<v Speaker 2>will say, mark your calendars if you're in LA, We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to do a meetup Friday, April eleventh, probably in

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<v Speaker 2>downtown LA in the arts district. I just have to

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<v Speaker 2>reach out to the venue I'm have in my head

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<v Speaker 2>where it will be. But I just need to confirm.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you guys are around, it's really just going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a casual meetup. If we turn it into

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<v Speaker 2>something else, if maybe we can get a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more tucked away space to do something a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more I don't know, performative live. We'll we'll figure that

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<v Speaker 2>out later, but we're not setting that expectation yet. So

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<v Speaker 2>that is I mean kind of for future plans other

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<v Speaker 2>than just rolling out our episodes. But we also wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to take the time just to think our amazing audience.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, in thanking all of you, the people who

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<v Speaker 1>just found us, however you found us that then went

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<v Speaker 1>on to explore their journey on a career path like

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<v Speaker 1>Shiloh when I took ye that I say it over it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure people are sick of hearing it. It just

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<v Speaker 1>it brings me to tears. It brings me to tears.

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<v Speaker 1>That like that you something that we have just giggled

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<v Speaker 1>and love to produce, like, has inspired people or given

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<v Speaker 1>people an idea to take their career in that direction

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<v Speaker 1>and they're completely rocking it. I think that's wonderful. And

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<v Speaker 1>then there's also people who have shared incredibly personal moments

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<v Speaker 1>with us. Via email because an episode that we recorded

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<v Speaker 1>resonated so intimately and so profoundly with them and that

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<v Speaker 1>we had a positive impact. I so many of those

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<v Speaker 1>are intensely personal. You know, I clearly can't share them

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<v Speaker 1>and it wouldn't be right, but please know again we

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<v Speaker 1>are both so humbled and honored to receive those. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Shiloh, I shared the one with you that

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<v Speaker 1>we got this week that literally made me tear up.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just, oh my gosh, so moved by it

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<v Speaker 1>by a recent episode. So all of you, thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you for letting us in. That's yeah, wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely kind of said it better. Also, just what

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<v Speaker 2>we've already mentioned, just the community that it's created, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I know we joke of like we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>Bridget through two babies, like literally sent her la not

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<v Speaker 2>so confidential onesie for her child, and just year after year,

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<v Speaker 2>right seeing people on the you know, the the live

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like this, the watch parties like where we're all

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<v Speaker 2>feel like we're kind of sitting there eating popcorn, having

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<v Speaker 2>a glass of wine, watching a movie together, or the

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<v Speaker 2>holiday parties or live I mean, we do not have

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<v Speaker 2>voices at the end of the day, when we go

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<v Speaker 2>to a festival because we're just like in it and

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<v Speaker 2>talking to you guys about everything and just gushing about

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<v Speaker 2>this weird shit that we all like to talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the coolest. So thank you guys so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we want to do one last shout out

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<v Speaker 2>obviously to two Oh okay, okay, I I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't I didn't put it on the notes. But

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, it goes without saying, I like this

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<v Speaker 1>one really does make me tear up. Is our dear

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<v Speaker 1>friend and producer, you know, and sweetener and editor. Jason

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<v Speaker 1>has taken us to a completely different level with his skills,

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<v Speaker 1>Like it's just there. I've never expected to have a colleague,

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<v Speaker 1>a creative producer that learned our voice in the process

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<v Speaker 1>of producing this and managed to take our gobbledegook from

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<v Speaker 1>late night sessions when we're so exhausted, ye and red

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<v Speaker 1>eyed and raw voiced, and he has just turned it

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<v Speaker 1>into a product. There are times where we've gone through

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<v Speaker 1>something it's ten o'clock at night and Shila and I

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<v Speaker 1>both go, Jason, I'm so sorry, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes no sense, like apologizing to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Man have that last paragraph and he will come in

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<v Speaker 1>and he's edited into something that makes so much coherent sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It's wonderful. So thank you, Jason, thank you for being

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<v Speaker 1>our friend, thank you for being our colleague. He's a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful content producer himself. And last, but not least, Abby Blackbird. Abby.

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<v Speaker 1>Abby is just like the younger generation because she's both

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<v Speaker 1>solidly outside my generation and Shilah's generation and has given

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<v Speaker 1>us so much information on like hey, and she's been

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<v Speaker 1>so kind about like, hey, you know you really should

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<v Speaker 1>do this, like this is how other shows do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and like we just would have never known, we would

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<v Speaker 1>never really known how to actually work a Patreon. It

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<v Speaker 1>will be on this board, you know, so, Abby, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for being just an intrinsic and integral part of

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<v Speaker 1>this content creation and for you know, like.

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<v Speaker 2>We said, emails that we get, but for letting us

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<v Speaker 2>into your life. And you know you posted something recently, Abby,

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<v Speaker 2>a little video of you a few years ago and

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<v Speaker 2>then now and we've known you through a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff and we love you and we're so proud of you,

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<v Speaker 2>and absolutely thank you for helping out your old aunt

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<v Speaker 2>and uncle. Yeah, and for going out and doing some

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<v Speaker 2>recognissance for us. Thank you for that too. I'll keep

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<v Speaker 2>that between us, but that's very sweet. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>including her. Scott. Okay, you guys, we could be here

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<v Speaker 2>all for goodnight and you don't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>But thank you for two hundred plus plus plus plus

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<v Speaker 2>plus plus episodes for sure, but really just finally hitting

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<v Speaker 2>that number with something we had to stop and savor.

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you Scott for doing this with me all

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<v Speaker 2>this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Words Canni, I know, I know, I know whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just cut it off there, all right, We'll see

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<v Speaker 2>you next time on La Not So Confidential.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi, guys, Okay, hang on, wait a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>Since I'm the editor, I get to put something in

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<v Speaker 3>here too, because I couldn't make the live the other night.

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<v Speaker 6>Shoutout, Scott. I don't know how.

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<v Speaker 3>Many of the two hundred episodes I have edited for you.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's been more than a prettyure's been more

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<v Speaker 3>than one hundred. I kind of tried to look back

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<v Speaker 3>and see where it started, couldn't really pinpoint it, but

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to know that it's been one of

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<v Speaker 3>the best experiences of my life. The two of you

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<v Speaker 3>are kind, compassionate, brilliant people, and you have been there

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<v Speaker 3>with me through a lot of things, and you gave

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<v Speaker 3>me a chance when I was really just starting out,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've had such a wonderful time going on this

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<v Speaker 3>journey with you. I admire you both so much. I

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<v Speaker 3>love you both so much, and I am hopeful that

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<v Speaker 3>we get two hundred more at least, but know that

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<v Speaker 3>I love you. I'm proud of you. Congratulations. Two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>episodes is extraordinary and it just goes to the people

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<v Speaker 3>that you are, the resilience that you have, the knowledge

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<v Speaker 3>that you share. And I'm very, very proud of you.

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<v Speaker 6>So I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>Guys.

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<v Speaker 6>Talk to you soon or I'll text you. I'll be today.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye.

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<v Speaker 2>We sincerely thank you for spending some time with us today.

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<v Speaker 2>La Not So Confidential is part of the Caral Space

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<v Speaker 2>Media network. Each episode is hosted, produced, and written by

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Scott and Doctor Shiloh. Our post production, editing and

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<v Speaker 2>sweetening magic is handled by the multi talented Jason Usri

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<v Speaker 2>of ear Cult Productions.

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<v Speaker 1>Our theme music, entitled Cool Vibes Film Noir, is composed

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<v Speaker 1>and performed by the talented Kevin McLoud. He graciously allows

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<v Speaker 1>Please check out all of Kevin's amazing work on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 2>All of the resources for each episode can be found

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<v Speaker 2>on our website at La Dash not dash soo dash

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<v Speaker 2>confidential dot com. You can find us on Instagram at

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<v Speaker 1>Once a month, we go live on YouTube on Saturday afternoon,

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