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Speaker 3: That was then, guys, Hey, welcome to the Prometheus Lynn's podcast,
Speaker 3: the place where the conversations are always in the lightning.
Speaker 3: I'm your host, Doc Brown, and we.
Speaker 2: Got Stephen, host of the Biblical Hitman.
Speaker 3: In the house in studio and put on your seat belts. Son,
Speaker 3: if you haven't noticed already, this might get a little wild.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, man, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just ca all of a sudden, just kind of
Speaker 4: been fluctuating with this new accent that I got, you know,
Speaker 4: get up all up in here and the Tennessee work
Speaker 4: over here, jump up off the plane. Real mullet got
Speaker 4: a weird voice now, and yeah, man.
Speaker 3: Do it for Dale, baby, do it for Dal. I
Speaker 3: was bringing up some of my hats and stuff, and
Speaker 3: I tell you that's the dude, you got to put
Speaker 3: on the mullet. And you put it on. I'm like, dude,
Speaker 3: that looks awesome. I was like, hey, I gotta do
Speaker 3: something silly too. Give me my toilet paper hat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, dude, I mean this reminds me of Joe Dirt,
Speaker 4: Like you can't believe.
Speaker 3: Oh it is. It's totally just that. Even you said something, buddy,
Speaker 3: I hadn't realized. He was like, your toilet paper hat
Speaker 3: looks like a shriner's hat.
Speaker 2: People could get the wrong impression with that. Uh.
Speaker 3: And I'm even cutting out of frame. I'm so tall,
Speaker 3: so a little bit. So Yeah, that was fun. That
Speaker 3: was fun.
Speaker 2: Hey, you know what, I can't do long hair.
Speaker 4: It gets hot, right, So shout out to all the
Speaker 4: women out there, because my goodness, this hair was getting
Speaker 4: in my eyes, it was getting everywhere.
Speaker 3: It's frustratous. I loved pre rolls over here and shaking
Speaker 3: it like a lion's mane. Maybe he's born with Now I.
Speaker 2: Got myself Florida haircut right back back back in business, folks.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, yeah, well, uh we got to hang out. Honestly,
Speaker 3: it was just back in June. But I went down
Speaker 3: to Florida, your neck of the woods, and we got
Speaker 3: to hang out at a conference at Brohemian Grove, got
Speaker 3: to hang out with Jesse and Taylor. We got an
Speaker 3: Airbnb man had a really, really good time. And this
Speaker 3: time we had a conference in my neck of the woods.
Speaker 3: So he flew up and once again we got us
Speaker 3: at Airbnb with Riley from the Midwest mith Oasts and
Speaker 3: went to Spiracy Con. And when now we are back
Speaker 3: and we're hanging out at the house a little bit,
Speaker 3: and he flies out tonight. I was like, dude, you're
Speaker 3: in studio. We got to do something.
Speaker 4: I know, it's actually fun actually having a conversation without
Speaker 4: having earplugs in and all this stuff. But yeah, it
Speaker 4: was a great time. Spiracy Con twenty five, twenty twenty
Speaker 4: five live. It was one of the first conferences I
Speaker 4: actually went to and got to you know, promote the
Speaker 4: show for anyone listening out there. You know, you can
Speaker 4: find us on YouTube, all the audio platforms pretty much
Speaker 4: anywhere under the biblical hitman. And you know, well we'll
Speaker 4: get Jesse and Taylor in the studio, all of us
Speaker 4: together one day.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know it'll be fun one percent. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you flew in Thursday evening, late Thursday evening and I
Speaker 3: told join, well, we're up in the air. We can
Speaker 3: either just go to my house, grab my stuff and
Speaker 3: head on to Kentucky was about a four and a
Speaker 3: half hour drive. I said, I find it's a little
Speaker 3: cheap place to stay and hit Spiracy Connor early in
Speaker 3: the morning because we had to set up our tables
Speaker 3: and stuff. I said, or we can just chill out here,
Speaker 3: but get up at like three am and red eye
Speaker 3: it up there. And we both were in agreeance. It's like,
Speaker 3: let's get the drive over with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, dude.
Speaker 3: Actually the ride was not bad at all.
Speaker 4: I mean, when you have two podcasters, you know, going
Speaker 4: on a road trip the time fights by folks, trust me,
Speaker 4: you can all kinds of conversations.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a lot of fun, man. And I
Speaker 4: will say some of the winding roads up here, coming
Speaker 4: in and out of the mountains you know, make you
Speaker 4: grab that old snap handle, you know where you're like.
Speaker 2: Oh snap, you know. But you did a good job.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Appreciate everything you've done for me here and you know,
Speaker 4: taking care of me.
Speaker 2: Awesome hospitality. So it was it was a good time.
Speaker 3: Man. Yeah. I even caught myself at one point because
Speaker 3: you know, for those of know, I got a like
Speaker 3: a six hundred horsepower Challenger and we're at and do
Speaker 3: these Mann roads and stuff, and then I mean I
Speaker 3: wouldn't even think, and i just look over at him
Speaker 3: at one point and I'm like, oh, dude, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: Do you get car sick?
Speaker 2: No? It was cool. We got there.
Speaker 4: We got there, Uh around twelve thirty at night, one o'clock.
Speaker 4: I got to crash in a pretty cool hotel, little
Speaker 4: circuit of hotels that are over there, since there's the conference,
Speaker 4: you know, or convention center there. Of course, there's a
Speaker 4: bunch of hotels close by. But everyone was real nice.
Speaker 4: They took care of us. Got to put our head
Speaker 4: on a pillar that night, and you know, woke up fresh,
Speaker 4: put in a nice twelve hour day pretty much at
Speaker 4: the day one of the convention, and uh, dude, the
Speaker 4: tornado that came by, huh in the beginning of the convention,
Speaker 4: Like we're by. What I mean by tornado is just
Speaker 4: it was just swooping people. Yeah, it was a good turnout.
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Speaker 3: at the third early in the morning, because honestly, this
Speaker 3: this conference was one of the kind. It was almost
Speaker 3: literally sun up to sundown. They opened the doors at
Speaker 3: like eight o'clock for vendors and stuff, but nine to
Speaker 3: the public, and they went all the way to like
Speaker 3: ten o'clock at night both days. We got there and
Speaker 3: got set up early, and like you said, it was
Speaker 3: just the first Friday was wild and I always were thinking, Oh,
Speaker 3: Friday is not going to be that bad because most
Speaker 3: people are working. They want to finish their work day
Speaker 3: and then travel, so Saturday is going to be the
Speaker 3: busy day. But no, it was. It was Friday. Friday
Speaker 3: was the busy day. And I had actually forgotten. But
Speaker 3: a lot of John Pounders and now you see TV there.
Speaker 3: I don't know what title you'd put to it, so
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's you know, Torah observant or
Speaker 3: like Seventh Day adventis. But either way, they a majority
Speaker 3: of his audience celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday, so a
Speaker 3: lot of them didn't show up for the second day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was cool too, just to
Speaker 4: see all the guys in our circle.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: There was a Travis Carpenter, the son of Scott Carpenter,
Speaker 4: was there. He actually was next to me with my table.
Speaker 4: It was Zach Lewis Lionel Savars on Sabbath at midnight.
Speaker 4: That's his last name, right, Yeah, okay, yeah, Sabbath at.
Speaker 2: Midnight and you from this lands a few other people.
Speaker 3: Who else was there? It was the event evangelists, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the last evangelist. Hey, we were just talking about it.
Speaker 3: What ah on mind blank.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but then there was visual disturbance Brian right, and
Speaker 2: then uh, who's the wrestler guy that puts you in
Speaker 2: a headlock?
Speaker 3: That? Yeah? Radio show?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was a it was a good time, man.
Speaker 2: And uh Aaron Judkins. Aaron Judkins, yep.
Speaker 4: I actually got a couple of his books coming in
Speaker 4: the mail, so hopefully when I get home they'll be there.
Speaker 4: You know, Amazon does a pretty good job with all that.
Speaker 4: And uh, you know we talked a little bit. I've
Speaker 4: never had him and had him on the show like
Speaker 4: you have, but I that's one of the coolest things
Speaker 4: about these events is you know there's other there's other
Speaker 4: content creators and authors and researchers at these events that
Speaker 4: US podcasters.
Speaker 3: You know, we love to host these kinds of individuals.
Speaker 4: So when we get to meet them for the first time,
Speaker 4: it's like that first impression connection has already made. The
Speaker 4: groundwork is pretty much you know, laid out, and then
Speaker 4: you know, you end up switching each others you know,
Speaker 4: phone numbers or whatever, emails and so you can get
Speaker 4: in contact with them to be able to get them
Speaker 4: on your show and post them on yours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, And honestly, I was. I mean, of course,
Speaker 3: I was excited to see, you know, everybody and hang
Speaker 3: out with them in person, because a lot of these
Speaker 3: guys I've worked with over the years and done interviews
Speaker 3: with and been on their shows, they've been on mine.
Speaker 3: But I was really excited when I found out that
Speaker 3: doctor Anon Jenkins was going because I've worked with him
Speaker 3: for since probably twenty twenty two, back in the big days,
Speaker 3: so I've had him on several times on the Dig,
Speaker 3: had him on several times on my new show, The
Speaker 3: Prometheus Linz and uh. He actually invited me to go
Speaker 3: want doctor Michael Heiser's show French Pop three two one,
Speaker 3: and we recorded an episode together. So that was really
Speaker 3: cool to sit down with that guy. So of course
Speaker 3: I brought ed the head and I added some signatures
Speaker 3: to ed the head and I told him, I said, man,
Speaker 3: I said, you definitely have to sign ed because you know,
Speaker 3: as a replica of one of the Paraka schools. But
Speaker 3: Aaron actually held that school and studied it and drew
Speaker 3: the measurements and diagrams of it and done DNA samples,
Speaker 3: and him and Joe Taylor did a casting of that school.
Speaker 3: So I was like, you definitely have to sign it,
Speaker 3: So I added his and I added John Pounders to it.
Speaker 3: Then I had David Kerrico sign it, so added three
Speaker 3: new signatures to ed the head. That's awesome.
Speaker 4: I mean, by the time, you know, hopefully a year
Speaker 4: or two or three or four or whatever how long
Speaker 4: long it takes, you know, that won't be much space
Speaker 4: left on that thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, that's funny. It'll actually look like Taylor.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: Taylor, by the way, folks, is one of my co
Speaker 4: hosts on the show. If you look at our emblem,
Speaker 4: our logo, you could actually see it in the banner
Speaker 4: of our YouTube channel. He's the guy holding up two pistols,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of like an X in front of them,
Speaker 4: resembling the Hitman character from the video game series. He's
Speaker 4: got the red tie and stuff, but he has tattoos
Speaker 4: on his face. That's why that joke is hilarious. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that's so funny. You know it was cool too, man.
Speaker 4: We got the opportunity to speak to you know, potential
Speaker 4: listeners or just people who have you know, we're attending
Speaker 4: the conference, and each of us always, each of us
Speaker 4: brought something different to the table. And so everyone got
Speaker 4: a good taste of all the different flavors.
Speaker 3: That makes any sense, yeah, honestly. And what was cool
Speaker 3: was is, uh, you know, you got invited to be
Speaker 3: on a vendors table and then me and you was
Speaker 3: talking to John and then John's like, hey, man, would
Speaker 3: you care to speak? I had somebody canceled and I
Speaker 3: got a slough to feel would you like to speak?
Speaker 3: And He's like, yeah, man, sub me in coach. I'm ready, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I want.
Speaker 4: The ball coach. They shout out to John Pounders. I
Speaker 4: appreciate you, man. It was a that's such a humbling
Speaker 4: moment just to be offered that that that kind of opportunity.
Speaker 4: So I thank you very much man.
Speaker 2: And it was cool.
Speaker 4: I hope I did really good at or as much
Speaker 4: as I could with it. And uh, you know, I
Speaker 4: got to engage with the people that were that were there,
Speaker 4: so it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah. That was your first time, right, first week engagement.
Speaker 2: First time, yeah, first time I was there for you
Speaker 2: were there, man, you were there. You're my biggest supporter man, so.
Speaker 3: Of course, and where they didn't have you like on
Speaker 3: the schedule, you know, you're like just a you know,
Speaker 3: a feel in I just didn't think you know, a
Speaker 3: lot of people knew, and you were like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: about to alone, and I did. I ran outside and
Speaker 3: gathered everybody. I went and got Travis and uh Lionel
Speaker 3: and uh Riley. I was like, come on, let's go,
Speaker 3: or boys speaking, let's go.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And then on top of it
Speaker 4: all too, like there was musicians there as well. You know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of music being played, worship things like that.
Speaker 4: Music is always something that impresses me. It don't matter
Speaker 4: who it is, really if if you're able to kind
Speaker 4: of make some sort of sound right with your hands,
Speaker 4: I mean, it's it blows me away. Plus two, there
Speaker 4: was you know, uh there was singers there and stuff.
Speaker 4: So all that stuff is incredibly you know, talented. In
Speaker 4: my opinion, it's awesome stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you did good too. Uh. I remember
Speaker 3: even like when you first started off, he was kind
Speaker 3: of like, uh, you know, just a little shake. He
Speaker 3: wasn't bad. But then once you started going, especially uh
Speaker 3: was Bill Messer. He started engaging with you, you know,
Speaker 3: and asking questions, and then next thing you know, it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: this is like a podcast. I'm just having a dialogue here. Man.
Speaker 3: Then you just you took off running.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: You did good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 4: Sometimes you know, it's like it's like that cruise control
Speaker 4: like on a vehicle. It takes a little bit to
Speaker 4: get to that speed, and then once you get to
Speaker 4: that speed, lock it in and it's just natural from there.
Speaker 4: So it was cool, and I actually had some difficulties.
Speaker 4: I tell people all the time, a lot of my
Speaker 4: friends call me Murphy. I'm like, yeah, because I'm Murphy's Law.
Speaker 4: Something's going to go wrong, man, it's going to go
Speaker 4: wrong with me. And I made these slide shows for
Speaker 4: my talk, and I made it on the computer and
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, it's an Apple computer. I'll make
Speaker 4: it on Keynote. And I have an Apple laptop, so
Speaker 4: it's an Apple product. It has to have Keynote. And of
Speaker 4: course it didn't. So I made all that stuff and
Speaker 4: got up there, had my laptop out, and then I said, oh, no,
Speaker 4: where's Keynote And there was no internet. I couldn't download
Speaker 4: the app up there, and doctor Aaron Judkins pull had
Speaker 4: the fire. He had the table next to me. I
Speaker 4: seen him on his computer and I was like, hey,
Speaker 4: is that an Apple computer? He's like looking at me
Speaker 4: like yeah, And I was like, what time are you speaking?
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, I ain't speaking till six. It's like
Speaker 4: one o'clock. And I was going on. At one point thirty,
Speaker 4: I was like, man, could.
Speaker 3: I pretty please use your laptop for my presentation without hesitation? Yeah? Sure,
Speaker 3: go ahead. So I got pulled out of the fire
Speaker 3: from that, and the second day I got all my
Speaker 3: stuff lined up. Then that little dongle and I bought
Speaker 3: it brand new, the hook up to my laptop and
Speaker 3: have an HDMI go into it, and the freaking thing
Speaker 3: wouldn't work. So I had to do the second show,
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Speaker 4: What got me too is I didn't realize how tiring
Speaker 4: these events can kind of be. You know, we're because
Speaker 4: we're constantly engaging with people that are coming across to
Speaker 4: the table. You know, these people walk by in the
Speaker 4: window shop pretty much, and you know you want them
Speaker 4: to really kind of get more familiar with your brand
Speaker 4: a little bit, so you engage with them. But then
Speaker 4: some some of these individuals, you know, will carry on
Speaker 4: a ten minute conversation with you, and it was like
Speaker 4: we were, you know, podcasting all day, which is cool, right,
Speaker 4: I mean, that's like what we're built for, and it
Speaker 4: was cool to get some other individual you know, different
Speaker 4: perspectives from from these individuals to where you know, they
Speaker 4: knew some things that I didn't know. So it was
Speaker 4: just you know, more books for my bookshelf, vice versa.
Speaker 4: And they were just so happy to really see you know,
Speaker 4: creators in person. I think I think it's a big
Speaker 4: kind of it's a fun moment for them.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I don't think we're anyone at least I talk about myself,
Speaker 4: but I'm not really in like this famous space, you know.
Speaker 4: But they definitely give you, like this gleam a little bit,
Speaker 4: which is cool, right, So it's always fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes you feel good because you think you're
Speaker 3: just talking into a camera, not really affecting anybody or
Speaker 3: you know, having an influence on anybody, or even being
Speaker 3: heard sometimes. So yeah, these conferences are definitely fuel for
Speaker 3: the fire. For one, you get with like minded people,
Speaker 3: and so in this space, the things we talk about,
Speaker 3: it can be isolating. You know, we are the minority,
Speaker 3: you know in that kind of sense. So when you
Speaker 3: get to these conferences and you find like minded people,
Speaker 3: You're like, I'm not the only crazy heretic. I'm amongst
Speaker 3: my people. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's more people in the sandbox. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then at the same time, when you have those
Speaker 3: doubts about you know, the content creation, you go to
Speaker 3: these conferences and then you get those people that come
Speaker 3: up and be like, man, I love your show, A
Speaker 3: longtime listener. I love what you do. Thank you man. Okay,
Speaker 3: sweet fuel for the fire. I'm least positively influencing someone,
Speaker 3: It's worth it. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like one guy came by, He's like, hey, I've heard
Speaker 4: of your show. I came across it from Cult Conspiracy
Speaker 4: with Jacob and Jonathan right, and those guys put out
Speaker 4: a tremendous amount of content. Shout out to those guys,
Speaker 4: and I had the opportunity to get on their show
Speaker 4: with Jesse and we we had a nice three and
Speaker 4: a half hour talk. I mean, those guys can really
Speaker 4: stretch the stretch the endings there. But it was a
Speaker 4: cool moment because he said that, you know, hey, I
Speaker 4: came across your show, and it's funny. I run into
Speaker 4: you here, and I mean the next few sentences that
Speaker 4: came out of his mouth, he's like, you know, I
Speaker 4: like I like Prometheus Lens too, and Doc Brown.
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, he's here, and he was. He was.
Speaker 4: He said are you serious? And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: go around the corner there, hang it left and he's
Speaker 4: right down there, and uh go meet him at person.
Speaker 4: So it was was cool got to shake their hand
Speaker 4: and send them off to other content creators that they
Speaker 4: didn't even know that they were there. But when you
Speaker 4: see the kind of happiness and the real that that
Speaker 4: you know they're experiencing where oh what they're here meet
Speaker 4: and greet in a way, so it goes a long way.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I did. I got to meet to
Speaker 3: several people that were listeners of the show. But then
Speaker 3: at the same time, I got to meet some people
Speaker 3: that I've had interactions with online for years and never
Speaker 3: put a face to them, and so they actually came
Speaker 3: up and got to meet them. It's just really really
Speaker 3: cool man. And shout out to Riley, you know from
Speaker 3: Midwest Mythos. He come up with us and he met
Speaker 3: us there. He come all the way from Indiana and
Speaker 3: he met us there that morning. Kind of helped us
Speaker 3: set up and hang out with us and watch tables
Speaker 3: and stuff, and that was a huge blessing. Man. I'm
Speaker 3: used to doing these things, Solow, and you have set
Speaker 3: at the table the whole day. I mean you can
Speaker 3: risk taken off, but I mean you risk SOMEBD, you know,
Speaker 3: snatching yourself.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's temple grabbers man. So I'll tell you
Speaker 2: that I came across a couple of those. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know big Fish. That's Riley.
Speaker 3: Shout out to big Fish. I love it. And he's
Speaker 3: a salesman, bro.
Speaker 2: He was supposed to.
Speaker 4: Tell me how he got that name, but he didn't.
Speaker 4: You didn't get a chance to get around to I
Speaker 4: don't know. Do you know how he got that name?
Speaker 3: I do not know. I think I think he was saying,
Speaker 3: it's just at work. At work, they gave each other
Speaker 3: like nicknames and stuff, and he ended up with big Fish.
Speaker 3: And he was like, I don't know why, but he
Speaker 3: watched the table for me and like, so if I
Speaker 3: wanted to, you know, go outside for a minute, get
Speaker 3: a breathere, or go to the bathroom, go get something
Speaker 3: to eat, or just even go mosey around, check out
Speaker 3: some of the tables and talk to the other content creators.
Speaker 3: He always held down the fort and man, I tell you,
Speaker 3: I even told him, I said, dude, you could sell
Speaker 3: a ketchup popsicle to a woman in white gloves. And
Speaker 3: he's like, amen, I just like to talk. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: guess I am a salesman. But he would like people
Speaker 3: walk by, Like you said, some people just like to
Speaker 3: kind of inadvertently look and then keep going. He wouldn't
Speaker 3: let him get away. So if they got near the
Speaker 3: table and got to looking, hey, how you doing today?
Speaker 3: Are you enjoying yourself? You have had a good time?
Speaker 3: Why you check this.
Speaker 2: Out right right? That's just awesome?
Speaker 3: And I did. I sold out man. Uh you know,
Speaker 3: Riley Man, he did a good job. I remember I
Speaker 3: showed up like forty books and I sold all of
Speaker 3: them but four. I had four books for the next day.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, Yeah, I mean he did a heck of
Speaker 3: a job, thanks, Riley.
Speaker 4: And it's funny too. When we went to after day two,
Speaker 4: we went to breakfast at Cracker Barrel. We ended up
Speaker 4: running into all the big creators right that were you know,
Speaker 4: a part of.
Speaker 2: Spiracy Con.
Speaker 4: And I saw and it was right in around that
Speaker 4: area where the all the hotels are and everything. So
Speaker 4: that's where all the guests as well or the you know,
Speaker 4: the people participating at the event, they were there, and
Speaker 4: so everyone was running into each other at Cracker Barrel.
Speaker 3: But I saw one.
Speaker 4: Of the one of the attendees, you know, walking into
Speaker 4: Cracker Barrel with your book, and I was like, oh, snap,
Speaker 4: that's cool.
Speaker 3: But it was fun. Man.
Speaker 2: The drive back wasn't bad. It wasn't bad at all.
Speaker 4: Again, you got two podcasters just hanging out for four
Speaker 4: and a half hours and it flew by, got gas
Speaker 4: what maybe one time? Which is awesome. I drive a
Speaker 4: truck that gets like twelve miles to the gallon. Here's
Speaker 4: probably gets something similar.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, it's part pretty close yea.
Speaker 4: And we get back right, We get back to Doc's place,
Speaker 4: and first of all, Doc has like the coolest DVD
Speaker 4: collection I've ever seen in my life. Oh it's so
Speaker 4: old school and I'm so upset that I don't have it.
Speaker 3: But there was.
Speaker 4: It's everything. It's everything on like the fringe aspect of
Speaker 4: like Christian content. And so we got in. I he
Speaker 4: was like, which one you want? I was like, dude,
Speaker 4: this is like a kid in the candy store. I
Speaker 4: don't know what I want. I like chocolate, I like
Speaker 4: I like, you know, sour stuff. There's just so much
Speaker 4: to choose from. And you actually brought out the Bill
Speaker 4: Cooper documentary and I this is someone that obviously of
Speaker 4: our time, our time, Like everyone knows Bill Cooper. I
Speaker 4: know about Bill Cooper but I've never dug deep into
Speaker 4: his store or what he really covered.
Speaker 2: But getting into it.
Speaker 4: Before I get into that, but you know, I've always
Speaker 4: kind of seen short clips of Bill Cooper's talking about
Speaker 4: something for maybe fifteen thirty seconds long. You guys know
Speaker 4: how social media is today. Everything's kind of really shortened
Speaker 4: down for attention spans. But I was like, you know what,
Speaker 4: someone was calling to me to watch that, right, So
Speaker 4: it has all this interesting illustration on the front cover,
Speaker 4: and it intrigued me. So first of all, Doc's got
Speaker 4: a DVD player, which is super nostalgic for me to see,
Speaker 4: and it was awesome. It made me think of like
Speaker 4: the old days when I used to put DVDs in
Speaker 4: my old PlayStation two. But we popped it in, dude,
Speaker 4: and we were like narrating while we were talking.
Speaker 3: We were pausing, oh yeah, we get three to five
Speaker 3: man saying we had to polls and theorize and philosophize.
Speaker 2: It was awesome, man.
Speaker 4: And so I mean that that story of Bill Cooper,
Speaker 4: I didn't I did not know what happened. Thought he
Speaker 4: just died of natural causes, but that really isn't the case.
Speaker 3: You know, they straight up murdered him on his front door.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean he was what would you say, he
Speaker 4: was like the godfather of all this kind of stuff
Speaker 4: that we dive into.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was talking about this stuff in the early
Speaker 3: and mid nineties, you know, for the days of YouTube
Speaker 3: and all that stuff. He was doing shortwave radio programs
Speaker 3: talking about the powers that be, the hidden hands that
Speaker 3: ruled the world, and the Freemasons and all the occult
Speaker 3: symbolism and all that stuff. Man, he was the grandfather
Speaker 3: of fringe, if you want to call him that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: He had his own radio show too, I believe, which
Speaker 4: I think it aired for what four hundred and something
Speaker 4: hours or something.
Speaker 2: Like that, I can't remember.
Speaker 3: I remember he was crazy, Yeah.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, that whole story about how he was,
Speaker 4: you know, allegedly this this Second Amendment guy and this
Speaker 4: conspiracy theory and.
Speaker 3: He was part of a terrorist organization, a terrorist militia. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's always this narrative wrapped around people that you know,
Speaker 4: are our researchers and you know, revealing certain things to
Speaker 4: the public that these puppeteers don't want to be exposed,
Speaker 4: right to these public minds, because everything today seems to
Speaker 4: be like it's wrapped deep, deeply knitted into propaganda. Propaganda's
Speaker 4: you know, the government, these organizations, the mystery schools, you know,
Speaker 4: these secret societies coloring in certain areas of your thoughts.
Speaker 4: And so he was his main message was like really
Speaker 4: trying to wake people up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wake the sheep That's what he kept saying. It's
Speaker 3: my job to wake the sheeple. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then but he was he was naming. He talked
Speaker 4: about in the beginning of the documentary he got into
Speaker 4: his UFO experience. I don't remember exactly how it went, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that was wild because they lightly touched standing
Speaker 3: on the film, but he went to it in depth
Speaker 3: on his book, you know, Behold a Pale Horse, and
Speaker 3: so he kind of lightly talked about it on the
Speaker 3: documentary and that was one of our pile's moments and
Speaker 3: he's like, what, I need more context on that one,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I tell you, but yeah. He
Speaker 3: was working on a submarine out in the Pacific between
Speaker 3: California and Hawaii. That's right there where that Uss Knehmence
Speaker 3: is and all that tic tack and all that UFO stuff,
Speaker 3: and he was out on deck and seeing a UFO
Speaker 3: a huge flying saucer. And I can't remember the size,
Speaker 3: but it was ridiculous big. I think he said it
Speaker 3: was the size of a like those ships that the
Speaker 3: planes land on out there in the ocean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the aircraft carrier.
Speaker 3: And he said that it just come right out of
Speaker 3: the water, he said, and it's like there was a
Speaker 3: force field around it that pushed the water away, like
Speaker 3: it never even touched the thing that stood there and floated.
Speaker 3: And then it just shot off. And then he went
Speaker 3: and got these captain and started telling all kinds of people.
Speaker 3: They started looking on radar. They couldn't see it anymore,
Speaker 3: but they picked it up on radar. Then the whole
Speaker 3: crew went out there and was looking at the sky.
Speaker 3: Then it comes back and he says, you know, two
Speaker 3: hundred mile iron more ridiculous speed, he said, never slowed down,
Speaker 3: he said, hit the water, and again the water just
Speaker 3: pushed away and wrapped around it like a bubble, like
Speaker 3: an invisible bubble was around it. Wow, he said, something stopped.
Speaker 3: I've worked in the Navy and army my whole life,
Speaker 3: he said. At a speed like that, and then impact
Speaker 3: on the water, he said, it should tour the shreds
Speaker 3: and he said, we all gave our statements, and they
Speaker 3: took us back to Hawaii, to the mainland. He said,
Speaker 3: normally they'd let us off. He said, the would even
Speaker 3: less off the boat. He said, in the commanding officer
Speaker 3: of the whole thing met with him one on one
Speaker 3: and interviewed a mi ale and that he asked Bill.
Speaker 3: He said, well, Bill, what'd you see out there? He's like, Sir,
Speaker 3: I think it was a UFO. He said that. He
Speaker 3: just went irate, cussed, seem like a dog was slinging
Speaker 3: stuff off these dass, breaking lamps off the wall, just
Speaker 3: going crazy. And he said. Then he sits back down,
Speaker 3: takes a deep breath, says, I'm going to ask you
Speaker 3: a Bill again. I'm gonna ask you again, Bill, He said,
Speaker 3: in the future, your future riots on your answer. He said,
Speaker 3: what did you see out there? Said nothing, Sir. He says,
Speaker 3: You're going to go far and I get on my office.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's how it works, man. I mean this makes
Speaker 4: me obviously we paused at this moment. We had some
Speaker 4: dialogue about it, but it makes me think of a
Speaker 4: few things.
Speaker 2: You know, we've had tarcoal.
Speaker 4: Carlson go on to Joe Rogan's show, and within the
Speaker 4: first ten to fifteen minutes of the show he talked
Speaker 4: about certain I forget exactly what the operation was, but
Speaker 4: it's that they've detected these anomalies or these phenomenons or
Speaker 4: these objects, right, because they kind of appear on radar,
Speaker 4: but they're moving at extreme speeds underwater.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: We even kind of talked a little bit about how
Speaker 4: the Bible, you know, speaks of the subject of spirits
Speaker 4: right with their habitation being in the abyss or in
Speaker 4: the waters. Right, So it makes me think of of
Speaker 4: that a little bit, right, And what we've seen since
Speaker 4: twenty seventeen with the David Freber and you know, the
Speaker 4: tic tac video that went viral, since you know that
Speaker 4: the New York Times opened up this story in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 4: you know, it seems to be that ever since that
Speaker 4: has happened, we've been kind of getting spoon fed, spoon
Speaker 4: fed a little little at a time where we're starting
Speaker 4: to see what's called whistleblowers coming to Congress giving their
Speaker 4: their testimonies and their ideas to what they think these
Speaker 4: things are, or you know, what documents that they've been
Speaker 4: revealed to from working in these you know, classified areas
Speaker 4: of government, So.
Speaker 2: That again, you know, makes.
Speaker 4: Me think of kind of like propaganda, because there's always
Speaker 4: push to.
Speaker 2: To have the.
Speaker 4: Public wrapped their minds around this concept, and it seems
Speaker 4: like they're coloring in these spaces of thought to where
Speaker 4: these are extraterrestrials. But I think Bill, I don't know,
Speaker 4: but did Bill have a different view of the extraterrestrial narrative?
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