Speaker 1: All right, welcome to six year Agenda.
Speaker 2: I'm your host Andrew here again today to talk about
what they want. And today I'm joining with a special guest,
Matthew Eric. We've got a little bit of a uh
I'm a surprise live. We planned this a while ago.
I was one hundred percent sure, so I didn't schedule
it last night. So for the listeners, this would be
a little treat for you today, a little bonus episode.
Speaker 1: Welcome in, Matthew and how you doing today.
Speaker 3: I'm good, Andrew. It's a it's a pleasure. I'm glad
to be on and just in chatting with you a
little bit before we hit record. I'm really looking forward
to this. I'm seeing that our minds are really looking
at the same kind of patterns and the same we're
on the same the same scent of this of the
of the critter that we're that we're chasing. So I'm
curious to see where this goes.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, dude, Yeah, I noticed that, uh, you know on
X I follow you in there.
Speaker 1: Great follow by the way, let everybody know where they
can find you.
Speaker 3: Well, but first, I don't remember the name of my
ex account. It's like erit underscore Matthew or something or
erit underscore Matt But I I at X, but I
don't use it that often, so that's too. Sure. Yeah,
I use a lot more of the uh uh telegram
for for a lot of my social media stuff. But
I'll send you some links and media can share that
in the discs.
Speaker 1: I'll put them in the comments. Definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got a really really intellectual mind, but you're
in like this space and I love people that can
kind of talk to that that aren't full on kind
of paranoid schitzos, that are able to kind of, you know,
process this information and an intellectual because that's very important,
I think. So, Yeah, I'm excited and we kind of
I noticed you were talking a little bit about the
traditionalist movement in a way regarding on X. I forgot
exactly what the topic was, and I saw your point
and I was like, man, I need to have a
conversation with him because he gets it. And it's kind
of this traditionalist movement that's been rising through Quanon and
kind of through the Trump Bannon kind of sphere.
Speaker 1: And yeah, so I'm excited to talk about what.
Speaker 2: You think that is, where it came from and and yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, definitely, man, I mean it's something that I'm I'm
not I'm not adept yet fully at the foundational works
of the leading traditionalists, the Renee Guenel's, the Julisavolaz, whose
ideas have shaped so much of the thing that has
become known as alt rights, whatever that is that Steven
Bannon has chosen to sort of shape his identity around.
But he's not alone. There's a lot of other similar
influencers who have been positioned, I would say, to play
a guiding role in the zeitgeist, in shaping and directing
the flow of the zeitgeist towards something which I think
looks a lot like medievalism, but maybe with some some
technological characteristics of the twenty first century, but has a
lot of the ethos of the medieval standards.
Speaker 2: Of Renaissance, m Renaissance, medieval pre Renaissance. Okay, yeah, I
was just I was only asking because they hold some
kind of from what I've read, like some like Enlightenment
style ideologies.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well, I think a lot of what they've
extracted from the Enlightenment are elements of the the counter Renaissance.
So the Renaissance was really I think the foundation of
the thing that they that these traditionalists call my modernity,
which they don't like. And you know, when when we
say traditionalists, I'm assuming your viewers, having listened to you,
probably have a our a depth with their language, and
they don't they know that we don't just mean people
who like traditional values.
Speaker 2: Right, not just conservative tradition conservatives as they call it,
but more traditionalists where they reject all modernity for a well,
a spiritual hierarchy, a priest class of kings that people
that know, you know, the adepts and the.
Speaker 3: Profane exactly, yeah, and and the the the masses are
expected to uh be happy but obediently happy in a
sacred form of superstition, a superstition that brings about a
childlike reverence of the unknown. Right that that, and it's
a very condescending, patronizing way of thinking about human society
at large and human nature in general. Because the idea
is knowledge makes us more corrupt, the pursuit of knowledge
of it makes us more egotistical, It makes us become believed,
it convinces us. The more knowledge we get, says somebody
who's who's following this line of thinking, that we feel
more godlike, more egotistical, we lack our humility, which makes
us more Christian, We're more uh, you know, I guess holy.
And so thus there is a rationalization why there should
be a lid placed on the desire to pursue the unknown,
and instead we should just be happy with the reverential
awe of superstition, of the sacred myths that keep a
big sort of like metaphysical wall in place between our
ability to actually like know what the universe is organized
by its laws, what the Creator actually has in store
or creation, which is what I think when I think
of real science and real modernity. I don't think of
it as like this cold, detached thing of human egos
getting more powerful and trying to become God. That's that's
bad science. That's that's more a witchcraft and in calling
itself science. In my mind, real science should be the
pursuit of God's will, the laws of the Creator that
the Creator deemed the best laws to organize all the
flow of all creation, which includes ourselves and our internal constitution,
or our love of justice or love of conscience. These
sorts of things I think are part of science, which
is why all great scientists when you actually read their writings,
they're all devoted, devoted. They see their religion like they
see their science like a religious prayer. Whether it's Kepler,
whether it's libniz Uh, it's a whether it's it's mentallyev
in Russia, their break their breakthroughs, are contingent upon their
faith in God's noble and good creation. So the modernists
reject all of that. They they just sorry the traditionalists
to reject all of that, and they choose, they choose
to define science around the way the Enlightenment philosophers like
John Locke have had defined science, which is this old,
rigid thing detached from the soul. So they create this
false constort because John Locke never discovered shit, all, never
attributed to anything positive to the human body of knowledge
except a bunch of theories that we're all sick about
the blank slate and why we have no soul. But
they love that, so they create this scarecrow right around
the perversion of science, the perversion of the Renaissance called
the Enlightenment. And then they say that is the embodiment
of what progress is, and that's why we we must
do everything to reject it. And they got this whole
set logical backflips that they build up in book after
book to sort of add more beat on the bone.
But like you said, it's a priest class. There's a
hierarchical structure of a priest class of adepts, and a
lot of this comes out of the synarchist movement of
the nineteenth century. And if you looked into the synarchy,
no I haven't. There's this guy named Alexandle sat Eve
who was a fellow traveler. He's an ocultist, high level traveler,
a fellow traveler of what's his name, Eli fas Levy
himself was carrying out black magic rituals with written He
was a French defrogt priests who created a whole gnostic
movement to infiltrate And I mean there's already something bad
inside of the Catholic Church, but he just really amplified it. Yeah,
And Saint ivel Vedre was very closely affiliated with him,
and he developed this notion of a society organized around
a secret, invisible priest class called Synarchism, which came to
foundations for Lancaus the Pappus, the French occultist, who is
like a leading figure within the Martinist Free Masonic Orders
who advised Nicholas the Second who brought in the Protocols
of Zion into Russia.
Speaker 1: That okay, so this is like cosmism. It kind of right.
Speaker 3: Overlaps the Boganovs, it overlaps the cosmos. So I think
that there were a number of cosmists who were initiated
into this order.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: It's something that I'm just beginning to do preliminary research
on though, so I'm not going to like write publicly
about this until I really but it seems like that's
where the the trail is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty deep into this aspect of it. Actually,
I see how it permeates. So you've okay, so they
come off like they don't want to mix the metaphysical
with science. But everything I read I've read from like
Dugan and these guys, is that they that that's what
we've lost in modernity, is that we're too materialistic and
we don't add in this metaphysical aspect to our to
our kind of thinking. But it's going to be confined
to the priest class because other people don't know.
Speaker 1: How to think for themselves.
Speaker 2: So, as you said, you generate this awe for knowledge
or you know, that's kind of for the masses, whereas
the real knowledge gets bestowed to the priest class and
they hand it down, so they're kind of the gatekeepers
of knowledge in this new kind of thing. Instead of
everybody having the chance to go do the scientific method
and figure out inventions or science, they keep it regarded
for the you know, the the adepts, the initiates.
Speaker 1: Is what it kind of comes off to is for.
Speaker 2: Me, which is this resurgence of that old kind of
Atlantean style of thinking, which is why Plato kind of
of course Plato gets into that, as you mentioned earlier,
Well that's the thing where yeah, it's a weird inversion
of of they're they're they're pushing the metaphysics with science
while also rejecting it to the masses.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, so exactly when I said that, they they
they want the masses to have this sacred superstition. They
want to they want them to have this idea of
just looking at the stars and not and just being
in sacred awe of the unknown, because you're dealing with
the transcendental, you're dealing with something which which speaks of
the divine. When you look up at the night sky
and you see the beauty of the stars. Yes, but
they want it to end there, right, and so people
should be satisfied with just the awe. Now for the
for the upper initiates, yeah, they it's the fevers of
actual control, the technology that's going to control the masses,
and the technology that's going to enter face between human
beings and the universe at large, that should be reserved
for an elite, following the logic of Francis Bacon or
Yuval Harari. When you hear Uvaal Harrari talking about his
idea of what science is, he's like, it's not really
about truth, it's about power. He's telling the truth in
the sense that his idea of science as an institution.
People have probably heard him speaking in this way on
YouTube clips. You know, when he speaks of the institution
of science, it is literally about creating models that will
express power for a governing class. And he says, and
I've heard him say this in a few speeches, that
individual scientists might care about the truth, but science is
an institution in his mind. It's very much like Mustafa Monde.
That's actually the I think one of the things that
he seems to be the thing that the traditionals hate
is vall Hariri. But I actually they share a lot
in common. But I think what they all agree on
is what all this Huxley lays out archetypically within that
extremely influential novella, A Brave New World, with the characters
who seem to be polar opposites of each other, John
Savage and Mustapha Monde, right, and in it they represent
two seemingly opposing dipoles, and yet they agree on core fundamentals. Yes,
and so those are the two paths that humans are
expected to fall into. Right, which is a false choice.
There's much healthier.
Speaker 2: It leads you towards the same place regardless, you know,
like they are going to the same society, the style
of hierarchy. And I've been trying to point this out
to people like Courtney Turner, who you know, we'll talk
about the technocratic plea state and everything, but as soon
as it gets to this point where I say, it's
not just the Douganists. The Duganists have the same agenda
as the Zionists, even though they're anti Zionists. They want,
you know, Turkey to leave NATO, they want the West
to fall, they want you know, they have similar agendas,
and it leads to the same place. And when you know,
like Dugan's kind of into the kabbala, I think that
you know, Israel's ran by, you know, obviously dark cabalists.
He follows Crowley. I don't think, you know, all this
stuff kind of intertwines with Desionist kind of movement. And
it seems to me that we have one side that's
turning themselves into the villain, right, the Zionists camp, and
then you have the savior camp.
Speaker 1: But it's leading us to the same place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's been in simple terms, Yeah, this Manichean
black versus white.
Speaker 3: Yes, formula is very important as an organizing principle for
the oligarchy to manage themselves. Even they have to manage
their own elite class. Those will be endowed with some
position of influence within the hierarchy as well as the masses.
So you have to organize everything around some formulaic balance
of a positive force of light versus a positive force
of darkness. And if you look at like Gerard on
cows So I mentioned okay, so he was involved with
the synarchist movement the Russian Okrana. He was a member
of the Hermitic Order of the Golden Dawn at the
same time that Aleister Crowley was, as he was also advising.
He was a personal physician and advisor to Nicholas the
second Bizarre of Russia, who ends up getting introduced to
the protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion through this
theosophical network that brings in this provable forgery. It didn't really,
It's a limited hangout. There's a lot of truthful things
said inside of the documents, but it's been proven again
and again very well that this is a complete hoax,
taken from a fellow member of the He's also a
member the Right of Memphis ms RAYM. It's an Egyptian sect,
a Masonic rite that was sort of fused together by
Garibaldi in eighteen eighty. Madame Blovotsky was a high initiate
of this. So there was a Moore's Julie was the
original architect of the dialogue between Montesquieu and Machiavelli as
a polemic against Apolling the Third where.
Speaker 2: Wow, these guys all connect to each other. It is
one movie. Yeah, Wow, and that's kind of what I'm
happening with with this too, is I just want to
mention just before we keep going.
Speaker 1: The Learned Elders of Zion thing is another thing.
Speaker 2: That she mentioned, where yes it's a forgery, but isn't
it genius to take true things that you're doing and
put you put them in a forgery so nobody believes it.
It discredits the truth, you know, there's an aspect of that.
It is still the case, right, I mean, you can
have two things true at once. And this woman is
so smart I don't want to rail on her anymore.
Is the last thing I was saying. She's way too
smart to see this and not also see that, you
know where I'm just like, come on, you know there's
something going on here. Yeah, but I see that, you
see that, And that's because you're able to hold that
nuance kind of two thoughts in your head at once.
Because that's a strong man to say, you know, well,
it's a ordury, that's it, nothing's real. But then you
look at the details and you find that there is
some of that rhyming with our reality. I mean, you know,
use your brain here, you know, hold one second, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like there's some really useful books like if if you,
if you as an honest researcher trying to make sense
of this sort of like dark you know, uh, refuse
this this this dark stuff underlying the visible part of
the recorded historic records that shape so much. If you,
if you're being honest, you have to delve into these networks,
these occult networks. What do what do they believe? How
did these gnostic ideologies that tried to smother Christianity in
the in the cradle, how did they continue to go underground?
And what type of institutions did they did? Did they
manifest in the centuries after they were nominally banned from
the Roman Empire? How did these things create the Chivalric
orders that saw the Crusades as a ritual bloodbath. How
did they then you know, generate things like the Franciscan
and Dominican orders that went on to manage the inquisitions.
How did they then emerge in the form of the
Jesuits or the Rosicrucians. The's two sides of the left hand,
right hand path of the same thing. Right, you kind
of have to go there, but how do you how
do you research that without slipping into stupid land because
there's so much like irresponsible material out there and some
of the things that you have to start sort of
take in you You can't. I couldn't avoid reading garbage
useful books like a Cult Theocracy from like nineteen twenty
one by Edith Starr Miller.
Speaker 2: Dude, Yes, great, but I mean, you know, also garbage
but also wow, you know, yeah.
Speaker 3: Like she's leading, she's a high level member of the
aristocratic clans. Yes, they they because they know that there
will always be within human human beings there is something
that urins for the transcendental that is not satisfied in
general with limitations. So they preventatively try to co opt
that spirit of discovery in a variety of ways. And
when it comes to researching our own world how we
got into, let's say, World War one, world War two,
especially in the time of crisis, people's minds begin to
move a lot more than when things are kind of stable,
and people are more easy to induce into some form
of sleepwalking docility. They don't ask the big questions when
things are stable. You can feed your kids, you got
a job, you know, the big the big dream is
easier to sort of like lean into when there's a crisis,
people's minds will want to like pick up and that's
why they publish. They actually publish a lot of these
limited hangouts to reveal to satisfy that yearning. But then
who's the what's the organizing principle? These are really useful books.
An yeah, it's epsty right, Just be happy with epste.
Speaker 4: Right, just yeah, be happy with end all right there,
happy with crazy pedophile guy that he's gonna absorb all
of that hate and anger or the another Jewish family, right, Like,
he's a low level, you know, very influential for sure.
Speaker 3: You know, he's very self aware of what he's with
the big game is that he's a part of. But
it's certainly he's very low hanging fruit. And if you
go up a little bit higher, there's there's other often.
Speaker 5: Jewish dynastic families that have been propped up and have
been used as kind of like multi generational weapons, as
little dynasties, whether it's the Sassoon family or.
Speaker 3: The the Rothschild family. There's a number of them. They're
called Hoffeudon. A lot of them were brought into play
during the the Middle Ages, during the Crusades, when a
lot of Sephardic and i'd say even former Kazarian Jews
were brought into royal courts to be the servants of
the higher patrician class, and they would carry out a
lot of the heavy lifting when it comes to financial warfare,
because you got to do usury if you're gonna if
you're going to maintain an empire effectively, you got to
do the usury. You got to do, you know, speculation,
You got to get people into debts they can't you
get themselves out of so that you could, you could
manipulate them. It's part of the game, but you can't.
It's more difficult if you're nominally trying to persuade people
that you're a Christian king or a Christian duke or something.
It's harder because there's a lot of like the papacy
had passed a Poppa bull banning usury, and I forget
which century we're talking here, I think it was the
seventh or sixth or seventh century, and so it became
useful to have a group of people who didn't have
such a an edict holding them back from carrying out usury.
Although it's still actually browned upon even in the Jewish Bible.
It's not something you should but anyway, you got the
Talmud stuff that helps because it's basically Talmud is like
the nip off the coat writings. There's a lot of like,
there's a lot of doubt. There's hundreds and hundreds of
rabbinical opinions about a variety of things inside of the
talent wood. And some of it's okay. Some of it's
like good life lessons. Other things are like their debates
on how do you interpret the Book of Leviticus or
these like very nitpicking little things. Other things are just
crazy bad. There's elements, there's actually absolutely sick minds who
also were published and embedded into the town. But it's
not like the Bible. It's not like the Qoran. It's
it's treated like a like a like men made writings
to induce students to philosophize and debate in future generation sets.
But it did create a space where some of this,
you know, some of the some of the writings made
it more possible to incubate misanthropic individuals who would see
themselves happily carrying out acts of abuse of others, especially
through financial warfare for the for the pursuit of whatever
Kabbalist endeavor they think they're they're they're engaged in. So
the Rothschilds, this assumes the Montafiori is the Brafman family.
These are all like limited dynastic families who are then,
as the authors of the Protocols of Zion recognized, uh
going to be the receivers the organizing principle of the
Black Lodge of Madame Bolovotsky's Great Black Lodge that must
exist to counterpose the great White Lodge of the ascended
Masters who are interfacing with her and the elect you know,
through channeling and other forms of out of body experiences
following like the John D scrying or yeah, John D
scrowing methods, which Aleister Crowley then tried to revive as well.
So they're they're like on the side of lights in
the battle against the forces of darkness and the Jewish
banking Kubals and the jesuitical Jewish banking cabals. They position
on the side of the evil side to receive the hate.
And it doesn't mean that they're good. It doesn't mean
that the Rothschilds are good or that the Jesuits are good.
It doesn't mean that. It just means it's part of
the the brainwashing.
Speaker 1: Yes exactly.
Speaker 2: You know, you have the outward Luciferian kind of you
become God, you know, all things are you know, you
got to get in touch and it's kind of a
it looks good. And then you have the other side,
do as thou wilt, you know, take your will into
your hands, you do whatever you want, indulge that is,
you know, theirs, whereas the other one says, get rid
of every indulgence, get rid of every you know, vice
to a point of you know, your self becoming God.
And you know, yeah, they are just too oppose it
because they follow the same And that's what I've noticed
throughout reading a lot of the Free Masonic texts is
that you can't. I don't think you can use the
same exact philosophy and say, well, you could use it
for bad and use it for good, so it's not
inherently bad.
Speaker 1: I think there's a trace to it where it becomes.
Speaker 2: That way if you like for astrology, you know what
I mean, Eventually, dude, you're you're kind of like the
deeper you get into it, you are getting into tarot
and crystals and witchcraft.
Speaker 1: You know it's going to lead there, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's it's just not maybe the old Hermetic Prince,
you know, the old Hermetic text and everything like that
might have had more truth to it, maybe be more
in line with the kind of Jesus Christ kind of thing, but.
Speaker 1: Maybe it is so far from that now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I have my doubts. Like I've read some
of the Hermetic, the original like so called trumetic text,
which I agree, Like, you know, you read your summing,
You're like, okay, philosophically, yeah, sure, okay, what I It
seems benign on the surface, but you're like, am I
just reading like the exoteric outward teaching that's the honey
on the on the poison exactly? And is there, you know,
within the spaces of the ambiguity of the language, is
there a space for a secret teaching to coexist with this?
That might be the opposite game, as there always is
with these sorts of things. And I'm like, yeah, probably
because I you judge them by their their their fruits,
right or by the first special judge them. And it's like, well,
where are the the wonderful if if this is such
truly principled, honorable philosophy. Where are the principled, honorable followers
of this philosophy after this mythical figure of Hermestius dies?
Where is where is honorable good followers? And their acts?
What have they done? Because every time I'm tracing out
his devoted followers and what do they do and what
institutions are they building, I'm just seeing like a Satanic mess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're so right about that. You were so right,
you know.
Speaker 2: And and it's that hierarchical structure again, the god king
structure that it leads into. So earlier we talked on
we kind of touched on cosmism, and cosmism is something
I've seen kind of get brought up because of Soviet
infiltration into the Echelon Institute. Are you familiar with what
the esslon Institute is?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I've written a lot about that.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, awesome, because there's a in my opinion from
what I've been reading lately, major psychedelic intelligence movement coming
out of the Essolent Institute. But not a lot of
people know that there's actually a deep Soviet KGB kind
of tie to that place, and it's mixed in with
like cosmists who came in and kind of make it
so you have people like Terrence McKenna, you know, kind
of like the Joe Rogan's, the psychedelic kind of new
Age kind of like you know, that new group of
like coming out of whatever this is that we see
coming that this movement is. I think it's part of
the traditionalist movement in a weird way, but really it's
a part of this theosophical kind of resurgence of this
you know, new Atlantis, and you know, they may want
to do it by digital means, and the way to
do that is get people on psychedelic drugs, they get
the ego death, and they're easily programmed into this new hardware.
Speaker 1: That's kind of a theory I have.
Speaker 2: We don't have to go that deep, but I'm curious
what you know about the Esslin Institute regarding the cosmist
and Soviet connection and how it's kind of like the
new Laurel Canyon. It's almost like the new Bohemian Grove
like map which is where they study MDMA and psychedelics
for PTSD, came out of the Essaon Institute as well.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, we're gonna have to have a fall up show, yeah,
because this is a bay one. Yes, and I'd like
to know a little bit more about the cosmos overlap,
Like I've read a little bit of Bogdanov's work and
Gorky as well, who was kind of like you know,
in and out.
Speaker 1: There does potential for immortality.
Speaker 3: Yeah, metaphysics mixed with realea well, it seems to be
sort of like again a because you have these I'm
all about nuance, right, So I love the battles, the
epistemological battles that tend to be found below the surface
appearance of the written history records when you're dealing with like,
for example, the futurist school of the nineteenth century the
early twentieth century inside of Russia, and you've got people
who on the one hand, it's kind of like also
seeing the battles between the people who are nominally all
called Enlightenment philosophers of the sixteen, seventeenth, eighteenth centuries, and
it's like they're all the same thing. You got some
of them who are like the of the John Lockean
Hobbesian school of the blank slate class, who all believe,
who are all promoting this idea that science is really
should be devoted to the management of stability in systems
and not really devoted to the love of God, the
love of truth, and that the very idea of metaphysics
in God should be completely expelled from the Temple of science.
And they're in their very sick formula. And then you
have people who are who are living within the Enlightenment
time frame, so they're they're falsely labeled all the same
Enlightenment thinkers like alibnanz or a Kepler, but they're actually
doing battle against both these rigid materialists, the followers of
the sort of Francis Bacon New Atlantis approach. The same
thing occurs in Russia in the in the early twentieth
century before and enduring the Bolshevik Revolution, and they're simultaneously
doing battle with the opposite school of the magician class.
So Francis Bacon. The fact that Francis Bacon is both
creating the foundations for rigid empiricism to define science around
what's called the British Empiricists UH model, which becomes the
foundation for the British Royal Society when that's created following
the Bacon model set out in the new Organum, in
the New Atlantis. He's simultaneously also a magician trying to
like stry and get messages from the from the demons
of the beyond and doing work on So that's not
that's not people. And like Isaac Newton, all of the followers,
the leading, the leading members of the British Royal Society,
which was the Rosicrucion Invisible College, it's the same thing.
They're all Rosicrucians. AlCH Bacon was too, We're all they're
all doing like all of this neoplatonic, hermetic, Kabbalistic garbage.
Speaker 2: And because it's the perennial philosophy and it per me
it's through everything where I think that at the highest
order they reached this level through the pyramid. Each level
is another layer of manipulation and deception, and by the
time you get to the top, you are the master deceiver,
the master manipulator who can make And one of the
main things they do is have them like make up
their own word, and that word would have meaning and certain,
you know, spiritual kind of because you know, words themselves
have kind of this manifestation kind of aspect to them.
They believe and so you kind of create your own words,
you create your own cults. Right, So then they go
and create another one which looks different and has different
aspects to it because it comes from a different guy,
but at its core you find that same like kind
of like you're saying, they're doing the same things, the
Rosicrucian style of practicing magicala, kabala, et cetera. Pardon, yeah,
so I think that there's something to that where yeah,
they just go in. It's like a hydra, you just
go out and make your own. So it seems like
a different society, but it's not. It's leading to these things.
Speaker 3: You got that exactly. So that's the false sort of
Luciferian natural response granted to the rigidity. So they will
create the system that they infiltrate, whether it's science, whether
it's the nation state, whatever, they will infiltrate it, or
the church. They'll infiltrate and then gain influence to make
it as rigid and tyrannical as possible. That's what Bacon
was doing with his rigidification of science, by making by
really encouraging this this radical, hyper compartmentalized system of Again
it's radical empiricism the belief that the senses are only
access to the truth. That's not true, that's never been true.
The senses are a tool, a servant for a higher
power within us to discover the truth. But they're not
the basis upon which we form an idea of what
is true. That is, if we do that, we're creating
a little metaphysical cage. And that's where we start seeing
that the thing that we call, we've been induced foolishly
to call science, is actually a form of magic. And
so they create them this these debates between the rigid
class of the standard model, you know, adherence of the model,
who don't think think about why the model is true
or not. It's just that they got rewarded, they got prestige,
they got published by being adherents and mastering the language
of the model. And then they then and then that's stifling.
And so for those who reject the suffocating nature of
that type of environment, they will then want to escape
that cage, and they will tend to then fall prey
to being initiated into some Luciferian sect of some form
of fake Promethean like an evil version of the Promethea
story in the form of like a Crowley style operation
or something like that. So I'm just saying this because
in the case of Russia, you had very honorable scientists
who did great discoveries, like Vladimir Vernadsky, who is the
father of Russian atomic science. He's the the I've read
a lot of Varnaski's works, and I've studied the man's
history as bio the works he did. He was a
fan of Abraham Lincoln. He was one of the leading
students of Mendeliev de Metro Mendeleev who discovered the harmonic
order organizing principle of the periodic table, which is a
gorgeous discovery.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I've seen that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like matches the musical spheres, doesn't it.
Speaker 3: Take he's thinking in musical harmonics. And also he's able
to you know that the quality of his Eureka had
weight because he was able to predictively point out that
in these empty spaces, of which there were like twelve
empty spaces, he said, there will be there must be
elements that are there that have these attributes, these atomic masses,
these binding qualities with its sister adjacent elements. And people
thought he was crazy because you can't say that nobody
has ever seen these things. And yet in the subsequent years,
in the eighteen seventies eighteen eighties, there was like they
all started getting filled and turned out that yeah, he
was totally right, because the way, it's not like they
had a crystal ball. He wasn't scrying, he wasn't getting
demons to tell him that. He just had a method
where he knew that the universe or he had he
had an abiding faith in the harmonics of the created
universe and the creator that created the universe, that required
that there would be for the sake of symmetry and beauty,
that these attributes necessarily must be discovered the same way
that Kepler was able to earlier two centuries early three
centuries earlier, predictively point out that there must be some
form of there will be something discovered in this space
between Mars and Saturn. There must be because the harmonics
that he was he discovered to be tempering the the
flow of all of the planets around the Sun. There
was a harmonic orb organizing principle that he proved to
be true through his third law, which which emanated through
his his musical instincts. As he pointed out, but that
required that there would there must be something in that
unnaturally big space, which turned out to be the orbit
of the orbital belt of the asteroid the asteroid belts
where the big Asteroids series was discovered by Carl Gauss,
one of his followers.
Speaker 1: And that's thought to be a planet that was, you know,
exploded too.
Speaker 3: It could be an exploded planet, could be a variety
of things. He I think Kepler, in his personal letters
speculated that it might be an exploded planet. But so
you know that that's the sort of quality of mind
of somebody who's a real Renaissance thinker and who has
no problem seeing science as an expression of prayer of
the divine, which the Enlightenment materialists as well as their
left hand path, you know, magician class counterparts all deny.
They all want to separate that and pretend it doesn't exist,
and so they try to co opt these names. And
then so all, let's say, in Russia, the battle lines
between I think the there are people who I've encountered
to are healthy cosmis because they're confused by what the
word means. And what I mean is that they they
like Kepler, or like Mendala, or.
Speaker 1: With you, I see that, Yeah, because the way this is.
Speaker 3: Like our way of worshiping God. There there they have
got a Christian heart, and they they see technology as
an expression not of like a demon out to destroy
us or the Antichrist out to emerge in a materialized
way to subdue us. They see it as something that
humans create as part of the effect of our ongoing
pursuit are never ending pursuit of the Book of Nature
and in honor of God, which could be used badly
if we allow immorality to govern the behavior and the
outcome of how technology is used to enslave and destroy
versus create and uplift. That's I think a much healthier thing.
But in the time of Bogdanov as well, there were
these battle lines where he was part of this Isle
of Capri network with Gorky, so he had a whole
Bolshevik school in the nineteen twenties in the Isle of Capri,
which is an occult center off the coast of Amalfi,
and it has been since Tiberius was doing like black
magic rituals of Polyominidic dynasty and human sacrifice and orities
back in the Roman Empire. It still is it always was,
and so that's where one Bolshevik school was located, and
you had him and Gorky managing this Bolsheviks school to
try to capture and control what they would want the
Bolsheviks to be because it was an underdefined thing. So
it was a colored revolution in so many ways, but
it was still undefined because there was legitimate human beings
operating through that movement that really wanted to not suffocate
under the tyranny of the old system anymore. And we're
trying to figure out, like, how do we build something new?
And then you had Oh, that's going on right now.
Speaker 2: I think that's happening right now through this next generation
of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all these people you're describing, by the way, exact
type of.
Speaker 2: Lines of thinking I find with Dugan, he had the
National Bolshevik Party that he created. He follows Alistair Crowley
very heavily in the Golden Dawn, and then you kind
of see this theosophical kind of hyper and he's the
Eastern Orthodox Christian and Eastern Orthodox Christianity is I think
a way too, along with Catholicism has already kind of
ruined their reputation. So you know, if you were going
to use one that's kind of adjacent to that, to
kind of usher in a perennial philosophy via Christian Christian mysticism,
which is I think the way they're leaning right now
is using kind of Christianity to drive towards Christian mysticism.
You have Canis Owens people like that who talked about
astral traveling, you know, like her and.
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2: So you have this kind of weaponization of the Christians
who are following her and now driving them towards this.
And she goes to Russia, speaks with Dugan and talks
about you know, so I think there's something there where
they're kind of driving that. And when you look into Dougan,
you see that, like everybody you're mentioning, is very much
in his that's his ideologic, his ideologue, that's how he
kind of operates too. So yeah, I struggle to see.
Speaker 3: The thing around this battle in Russia that I think
is really important for researchers like you and I and
anybody listening. Who is that. So on the one hand,
when so Trotsky was I think kind of a subvert.
They really wanted Trotsky. There's a there's a variety of
different scenarios because there was I mean there it was
like knives out right after the Bultual Revolution. It was
like factions and factions and kniving out each other and stuff.
You had the like the Lenin breakaway group that split
off from Gorky and Boganov and had a Paris group
or Paris School that was battling the Capri School over
like influence. Who was going to like to find what
this even means? What does this mean to be? So
you got that going on. You got the people who
are often like a lot of the white Russians from
the old aristocracy, ended up rallying around the Orthodox Church networks,
so they became increasingly the representatives of the church. But
they were actually also the feudalists who were ironically working
with the old black magician class to overthrow the Romanovs
who were a little bit too open to having ideas
of lif the Abraham Lincoln networks coming being brought into
Russia that allowed for the abolishment of serfdom, that the
abolishment of the programs, which was a big thing holding
Russia back into like this. It was a very static
kind of system of controls which the new late nineteenth
century movement inside of Russia that circulated around Alexander the
Sack and Alexander the Third, both assassinated by the Way
for a reason, but they were realizing that they needed
to think much think in a more healthy paradigm about
dealing with natural law, bringing in economic development in a
very healthy way, and a lot of figures within the
Russian Church were also realizing that this is the way
to go, and that that's where it became too uncontrollable,
and the necessity of both bringing in an overthrow of
the Romanovs on the one hand, was done largely by
the old note many members of the old nobility who
would run things like the Russian chron of the Russian
Secret Police that also had a Paris Bridge, ironically, and
they were gambling on the fact that they would be
able to then bring in one of their own princeling
representatives as the outcome after a period of chaos, which
didn't end up happening. So they gambled and they lost.
But what happened is that you had then breakaways within
the Orthodox Church, so you had by the nineteen early twenties,
the Cosmist, you know, Maxim Gorky is killed the Cosmists
kind of like lose their influence, you know, in Russia
at that time, but they don't disappear. You have a
breakaway of the church. So the Russian Church, you have
what's called the Russian Orthodox Church outside of Russia, is
created to represent all of the white Russians that then
find sanctuary in England, in Canada, in the United States,
and they become part of the thing that we see
aligned with like the Russian Fascist Party if you like,
in Harbor in China, Northern China, that was like the
hub of in the nineteen thirties of the Russian Nazi Party.
A lot of these white Russian leaders were were behind that,
a lot of the the Russian Orthodox Church outside of
Russia that also was brought into California, especially.
Speaker 1: Like Okay, and then SRIS. SRI is connected to.
Speaker 3: S Yeah, but they're not alone. So you have these
two factions, right because like evil will manifest itself through
anything it can through Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant, any flavor if
they will write. And then you find battle lines between
people who actually like read the Bible, read Jesus's words,
and they're like let that shape them and find themselves
within each one of those those platforms, batting out from
those who actually are just using it for power. And
then so you got this other very.
Speaker 1: Important statement you just said.
Speaker 2: There, you know, it's every it's in every group, and
you do have people that are vying for the power.
And then you have some of the truth that people
you know, follow, but it can be weaponized by the
people who were email like.
Speaker 3: Jesuits, right, Like I got examples of Jesuits who broke
who got off the reservation because they just happened to
like think about the writings of the Bible a little
bit more than some of their superiors, and they're like,
wait a minute, what we're doing is wrong. And they
had to ring under the bus, right. Yeah, but here
we got there's this other thing I'll just throwaut to
here called in the within the Catholic sort of Satanists
wearing Catholic skin suits. There's one very influential one that
plays it a role in the Esslin with the Russian
Orthodox Church outside of Russia, and this is called the
Order of the Camerald Deasy of Saint romy Wald, and
it was a it was set up in nine point
fifty two by seven patricians of the old Patrician families,
very very subversive organization. They had a hub in the
Appenine Mountains where the Oracle of the Appening Sibell was
located at the center of one of the Black Mass
structures of the medieval period. They brought in a lot
of a lot of fran Chiskin's grant strategists as well
as others, and they interface. They kind of like played
a parallel role with certain similar agencies that had built
up similar orders inside of Russia or then doing that
at the same time. And I'm not going to go
into more detail than that for now. And this order
of Cavalryes they had a They came into the United
States in nineteen fifty eight and the first place that
they set up was Big Sewer in nineteen fifty eight.
What yeah, wow, Yeah, they got a whole Wikipedia page.
This is not a secret information in my mind.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is crazy, dude.
Speaker 2: So it's connected to people who were connected to the
Black Mass like location and then they come here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a major occult organizing center. I actually wrote
a book on the on the Happening Sibyl called The
Revenge of the Mystery Cults, Volume three. I got a
copy of it here. Actually, if anybody wants to like
know about the this happening. The Eleventh Sibyl and its
its role in influencing influencing global occult movements and geopolitical
structures is Edgar Poe's final mystery Revenge of the Mystery Cults,
Volume three. I'm just saying that's for anybody watching right now.
There's like eight chapters specifically on that and how it
infiltrated it or it seeked into the United States in
the early nineteenth century at which Edgar Allen Poe was
exposing and trying to combat with a with a number
of incredible artist patriot cultural war like warriors who are
incredible people.
Speaker 2: It's always the guys that they make out to look
like just the drug addict, crazy dude who ends up
actually being the ones that are on the side of
you know, the good side, the side of humanity. We
could say, yeah, you know, and and it's the opposite
the people they were. Now, the more you look into them,
the more you find some fuckery for lack of better terms,
you know, or you know, if you're looking at like Aristotle,
Da Vinci, Plato, it's like Yeah, great stuff. But also
were they really messing with little boys? Like what's going
on with this? They're really a part of this kind
of like group that, you know, it's it's something to
that the Lucinian type of thinking, where I see that
permeating the Esselin today. But man, I did not know
Edgar Allan Poe was kind of like fighting against this kind.
Speaker 3: Of Also, do you all send you a documentary? I
commissioned my buddy Dave to take some of the chapters
and turn it into a video and you did a
great job. My wife, my wife narrated it and we
just released this few months ago. I'll send it to
you on post final mystery going through who murdered Poe?
How did they cover up? What was he exposing? I'm
pretty proud of that documentary.
Speaker 1: Oh that's awesome. I'm getting the book too that this
is great. I love this.
Speaker 3: But this is also what Houdini, Harry Houdini, who they
also treat as being this like flaky mystical magician guy
with you know, there's even a place in Palo Alto
called the Houdini Palace where they they built up a
whole mythology about Houdini channeling messages from the beyond. And
he was actually a follower of Plato sorry, of of
Poe using Poe's method. He even wrote on he bought
Poe's writing desk and that was like his prize thing
because he was studying Poe's what Poe was doing as
far as revealing all of these these magic tricks that
were being induced to try to make Americans go crazy
with the spiritualist movement, right, and and Poe was just
breaking down and destroying a lot of their their efforts
in so many of his works.
Speaker 1: Like didn't he like fight Crowley or not fight him?
Speaker 2: But weren't they like, you know, they met, but then
they had beef right whole.
Speaker 3: They were both. They were both in New York at
the same time during World War One. Yeah, both fighting
over the influence of the new art of cinema at
the same time with the some of the same producers.
So read the Yeah, when you watch the surviving films
of the movies versus the Poe movies that actually deal
with themes that are that are relatively similar, it's fascinating
because they're like opposing paradigms where uh sorry, who Whodini's
movies are I keep saying, Poe because I just see
them as like the same spirit. But like Whodini's movies
are really warning people about how scientific ideas are ripped
off and scientists are killed as they're being absorbed into
multinational corporations. To then like he's that's the basis of
his first movie as the Plasma Scientist.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's current events, right, yeow wows coming to kill off
all the plasma scientists and it's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah dude, okay, yeah, so you got all these things right,
And and California is a big zone a bit a
big battle zone of battle right because New York they're
they're about to transfer in the nineteen twenties most of
the functions of the cultural control of the shame and class.
Who are going to control the big dream, who's going
to be like controls the stories, controls the dream. So
it's very shamaniic. And you have to be initiated and
and it like initiated to be permitted to wield that
kind of influence where your imagination is going to be
permitted to be turned into productions, whether book or novellas
or movies that will then influence the collective dream and
and and imagination of the future. It's very very powerful stuff. Disney, Yeah,
Disney due Big one, Yeah exactly. Yeah. Man, that's sick.
Speaker 2: So is history on this, on this, You've got some
great history on this, dude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we could. We're definitely gonna have talked about this
disc Yeah, I know, we are. I know.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, there's so much more that I
know that we have to kind of unfold here.
Speaker 1: But this is a great introduction episode.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, we could get we should take notes and
see what threads want to pull on in the future.
But yeah, definitely. Like so getting back to Eslain because
you're a lot of work on Eslin. You got this
convergence right of of just these this esoteric Catholic sect
and esoteric Orthodox sects kind of moving in lockstep, all
kind of like revolving around the scenes.
Speaker 1: You see that too. It's not just me, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: And then you've got you know, the Alistair Crowley networks
as well, who are interfacing directly, like through the Oto Lodge.
You have all this Huxley and Christopher Isherwood doing weird
shit in California as well writing scripts for films and
other things overlapping with the thing that becomes. I mean
all this Huxley's followers, or Michael Murphy and Pat Price, right,
so they're both attending his seminars on the human potential.
Speaker 2: I think Julian Huxley was actually a part of in
a weird way, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3: Julian Huxley was coming down. I know there's pictures of
him and all this with a few escellent people in California.
So he was actually coming in and out before his
brother dies. Yeah, so you.
Speaker 2: He wrote in that book I started interrupting, you know
in that book that like using this kind of chaos
to bring in a new order, that's exactly what like
Trump is doing.
Speaker 1: He wrote that, man, are we.
Speaker 3: Talking all are you talking to all this?
Speaker 2: Or Julian Julian I believe, well all this in his
book Brave New World. May have wrote it, But Julian
had a book too, No, I'm sorry. Julian had a
book where he wrote in his novella the first story
about like a tinfoil hat, tinfoil hat.
Speaker 1: That story came from Julian's novella.
Speaker 2: Really, yes, he spoke about a man who used.
Speaker 1: You can look it up.
Speaker 2: It's a fiction that he wrote and it describes somebody
who's you know, getting voices in their head like Voice
to Skull and they use a tinfoil hat and later on,
like obviously there's a real story about that where a
guy goes to the dentist and has that happened and
puts a tinfoil hat on. And since then I've read
you know, I've read this on my show. I did
an AI Voice to Skull technology show and I gave you know,
all the history of like I'm going to forget him
right now, but like Alan h. Frey and then also
the guy who did the end three studies, you know, uh,
the guy who put the put the chip in the
brain and the bowl and then stopped him with the button.
I forget his name at the moment. It starts with
a G. Anyways, Yeah, so that stuff all kind of
comes together. But people have done studies that you know,
they took a foil and put it around people's head
and they said it actually conducts the electricity more well,
they left out the fact that you know, the foil
now is aluminum and it used to be tin, So
it's a totally different compositive metal and you're trying to
sell it like, oh, this is just a crazy conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1: Well, actually tin would have worked.
Speaker 2: You know, it's very interesting that they've tried to debunk
it with a different metal and sell it like, oh,
it's just average tinfoil, but it's not.
Speaker 1: It's aluminum. So anyway, very interesting.
Speaker 2: But so Julian Huxley and all this do have this
kind of like very pervasive.
Speaker 1: In this movement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, it's huge. Yeah, because so part of the
the idea is that you can have that we should
all have superpowers. That's what that's one of theosophical ideas
that say that they sold to their own initiates and
and I guess the even the the exoteric level followers
as well, is that we all deserve to have superpowers,
except that our powers have been muddied. Yeah, and then
you know, and and we could and that's over evolutionary.
Speaker 1: Time powers materiality. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Have you read The Secret History of the World?
Speaker 2: Uh no, you're like read up to the gills. You
should check this book out though, because what it does
is it goes through the secret history of the world
according to the theosophist.
Speaker 1: So we started out as like.
Speaker 2: Etheric beings, and as time went on, we were a
mineral and plant, and then we were like androgynousts kind
of humanoids, and then we eventually became like you know,
man and woman, and we still have this kind of
like less more transparent, you know body where we could
you know, our third eye was very active, and we
had these latent abilities right like you said, for powers,
and we could connect with the gods on a more
personal basis. And as time went on, materiality became more solid,
and so as that happened, we started building massive structures
on lay lines with power, right like the Egyptian pyramids
that had these particular geometric sizes that thing could call
the gods into them, so we could reconvene with the
gods like we used to. As time went on, we
couldn't even do that. So it became so much more
material that now, as you're saying, they want to bring
those latent abilities back, but the only way to do
it is digitally. So I think they're bringing these latent
abilities back through like the elon and all these people
talk about how you can speak without saying words and
things like that.
Speaker 1: That is bringing this back. So yeah, I think all
this is connected.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and there's an elements to this too that
I know. We only have a few minutes left, so
I want to just have on this one idea that
I realized we left hanging, which was the question of
Israel Zionism. Is that so okay, two boats to be tied.
One the whole escellent idea was to create basically the
x Men. So the fact that Eslin and the x
Men were created the same month in nineteen sixty two.
Officially whoa yeah. Jeffrey Krippol the official biographer of the
of the Eslain Institute the Religion of No Religion. He
takes great pride in his interviews and in the official
biography of the coincidence of the X Men special secret
School for Gifted Mutants being broad online, which had such
a big influence in our culture in the imagination of
the young as well as the Esslin. He loves that
stuff and gets he gets the joke.
Speaker 1: He gets that just blew my mind.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow, I've been meaning to do some like comic book
stuff because I know for a fact that that's like
all that is about.
Speaker 1: Yes, like you know, the you know, the demi gods.
Speaker 2: You know, all that stuff is you know, permeated as
Superman and totally so anyway, yeah, go ahead, bit wir.
Speaker 3: And shit, and yeah.
Speaker 1: Way more on the nose than I thought though. At
the Esslin Institute, that's very.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, totally in the nose. Yeah, it's very
self aware. Not a coincidence. And so, yeah, they want
to bring about they're they're they're trying to train elitist,
egotistical heroes of their own elucinian mystery play to basically
like feel like they're somehow special and endowed with special powers,
whether it's the Uri Yellars or whatever. Then they create
studies masquerading as science, but with the effect of trying
to basically trying to legitimize a cult black magic but
selling it enlightened life language. And this becomes a very
big organizing principle of the entire hippie movement, the entire
counterculture movement is entirely being tempered and shaped by this agency.
This is this sort of weird spa think tank. I
think it's kind of like a black magic cult center
with an outward seemingly lightened life, kind of like hippie vibe.
But they think there's something else going on inside. There's
always like the dark side of the dynasty and thing.
Speaker 2: Anybody who listens to Joe rogan I guarantee you you've
had Alan Watts pop up on your algorithm. And the
reason why is because they're intrinsically tied with this escellent institute.
Speaker 1: Move.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, you're being nudged. You're well being nudged by.
Speaker 1: The operator exist.
Speaker 3: So what was I gonna say?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yet that thing going on? They so part of
the idea is to yeah, seduce and make uh corrupt
the minds of especially those who will be enjoying leavers
of influence in every department of life, corporate, media, political, military,
you name it. They did a pretty good job. They
sent the seminars, they brought in the you know, the
Eastern Establishment of leads the graduates of Harvard of Yale
into various seminars combined with some sex, magic, orgies, whatever,
a lot of psychedelic trips being guided ayahuasca trips, other
things to help you like unlock your your special divine powers,
and then positioned back to be part of this aquarium
conspiracy that the Sri I had also brought online, right
around Willis Harmon's assistant, uh Ferguson. One Ferguson, I think
so yeah, And so it seems like that whole a
queruing conspiracy, which is basically just HG. Wells's open conspiracy,
but given more like Newage language was all just a
sub branch of the UH the SRI program that Willis
Harmon ran on the on the images of.
Speaker 2: Man Stanford Research Institute and talking about the ultra.
Speaker 3: Stargate, you name it, the revolution, military affairs, all the ship.
So okay, how does this all tie back in now
to what the the you know, they need to create
this hate object of the convenience evil Jews around the
protocols Zion. Why do all of these why do all
of these like Nazis like Eikman, Why are they obsessed
with learning Hebrew? But they're Nazis. They don't like the
Jews as a people, they really don't, but they are
all obsessed with learning Hebrew so that they could study Kabala.
So do they think of kabbala as being an emanation
of something Jewish or the Jewish tradition? Hells no, they don't.
They recognize it correctly. So as a Babylonian form of
magic from the Chelsea too.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: And I feel like Courtney Turner not'd say your name again.
She's missing that where it's like I'm pointing out that
the Jew Torah whatever she's trying to point out, is
completely separate from this movement that comes out of Babylon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, and you've got work together.
Speaker 2: You're a little bit like you know, some people work
through that group like to pose is a good Jew
or whatever, But no, they're they're completely infiltrated by the
Babylonian cult that they were in.
Speaker 3: And I think overall the point of this whole thing
from those who were working in the nineteenth century from
the new Templar Order of Germany and the Templars around
Edward the Seventh who creates the Palestinian and oversees the
Palestinian Exploration Fund for the British Empire. All of these
like Black magician high occultists who are so obsessed with
creating a homeland of Zion to like attract and bring
in all of the Jews from the world, especially in
Russia where there's a lot of Jews living in Russia.
Will you got to make things very unlivable for them.
So the Protocols of Zion helps to convince the paranoid
CSAR who's already like facing tons of destabilization, assassination threats.
He's like going crazy. So now he's all of a
sudden persuaded through reading this document that's been given to
him by this hermetic ordericle and don like Crowley, that
the Jews really are behind overthrowing all of the monarchical
systems of the world to bring in their whole zion
world government. And so Britain, what's the solution, Zara Nicholas
the second bring back the Pograms right down the Jews.
So make when that happens, that's really beneficial for the
Theodore Hurtzels out there, who's like this secular actually he's
a misanthropic nominal Jew who actually doesn't even like Jews,
and he's like writing letters to fellow supporters of Zionism
saying what a great thing anti Semitism is, that it's
growing and it's really like lending. It's giving support to
his fanatical obsession with creating a state of Zionism. And
in this particularly very useful region of the Middle East
that's a hot spot historically. So that's one really great
way where even the Nazis, who are the cabalistic Nazis
from the German New Templar Order doing black magic and shit,
they're also obsessed with the same thing bringing in the
Havara Agreement, which is, you know, transferring tons of like
sixty thousand Jews from Germany and then doing the same
thing in Poland and Czech Republic or Czechoslovakia into Israel.
That's what makes that work is the Nazis celebrating with
like swistikas and stars of David coins to celebrate this,
this whole thing, And you're like, this is all makes
no sense unless.
Speaker 2: You just pointed out this Swasa style start as a
David go ahead, that's exactly.
Speaker 3: And you're like, no, this is not a paradox. It's
not a paradox when you realize this is Babylonian black magic. Yes,
this is all of what it is. And at the
end of the day, I think what they really want
to do is what Rene Gerard, the guru of Peter Thiel,
had called for with his idea of the sacred sacrifice
the scapegoat. No shit, yeah, you've gotta that societies will
always degenerate in entropy because everybody is naturally self where
we mimic each other's desires, and so because of that
tendency to increase selfishness in time to accumulate more for
the self at the expense of the future. That's what
he says natural human beings are, which is itself a lie.
But for the formula to work, that has to be true.
He's like, that will always result in more and more destabilizations,
disequilibrium of any system of humans, resulting in a complete
breakdown of that system, increase conflict, increased scarcity, decreased material
to go around. So unless all of the different factions
can be induced to have a collective sacrifice a scapegoat
that they could give the blame of their problems to
who they collectively enjoy the murder of, and then in
this case, convenient scapegoat for the world. Yes, that will
then absorb and dissolve a lot of that tension is
according to the current plan. But Israel has to be
the worst part of itself. It could possibly be. Yes, yes,
this is that.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is what's going on right now.
Speaker 2: This is the baffle met Coagula and and well, yeah, yep,
and that is what you're talking about, the entropy, this idea,
that's it. Yeah, beautiful man, beautiful, all right man, there's
so much to get into. Uh, we'll have you back asap,
matt whenever you are available.
Speaker 1: Tell everybody where they can find you.
Speaker 2: This was a very informative hour. And yeah, unfortunately we're
both kind of short on time today, but we'll definitely
do a bigger one later because there's just wow, we're
really on the same page here. You've got a great
amount of historical evidence to back up the stuff we
talk about here.
Speaker 1: So thank you very much.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, thank you dude for the conversation. This is
this great way to start my day. And yeah, totally
do this again. What I would say. Yeah, So the movies,
the books that we do are easy to find on
Canadian Patriot dot o RG Risingtide Foundation dot n et
net is another more educational cultural website foundation that my
wife and I run and Substack Matthew Eric dot substack
dot com is I put stuff out every day, so
there's a lot that you can access in your inbox
by subscribing.
Speaker 2: I'll get on that in the show notes for the
official episode when it comes out, But for the people
streaming right now, you can check that out now or
just wait and I will get this stuff put into
the description so you could look at that with the leaks.
Thanks a lot for that, and I will see around soon.
Speaker 1: THANKI.
Speaker 2: Joe, all right, thank you everybody. That was a crazy hour.
We only had an hour. I wish I would have
had more time with him because there.
Speaker 1: Is just so much to get into.
Speaker 2: We just kind of started touching on the Escellent Institute
because I've been doing a lot of research into into
this guy who passed away. His name's Matthew North and
he's not with us anymore, but he was covering a
lot of the connections with the Escellent Institute, the sphere
of Joe Rogan, the sphere of this kind of psychedelic
intelligence community sy OP that's being pushed right now through
the you know, influencers like Joe Rogan, and I think
it's a big deal. You know, this kid died right
after talking about it. But Matthew clearly has a lot
of evidence to back up what the kid was talking about,
which is that there is this cosmist or Russian Soviet
infiltration that's going on in the psychedelic movement.
Speaker 1: And yes, the scapegoat is Israel.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that there's not some truth in that,
because it was created by the Babylonian Black and Black
magicians in order to be the scapegoat. And so if
we can understand that, then we can understand how we're
being used. Then we're being manipulated into a new world,
a new world order, if you will, a brave new world.
And so we'll be covering this a little bit more
of the Esslin Institute and Matthew North's work. I'm a
little bit nervous to get into it because he did
die after covering this, and so I'm trying to find
a good way to disseminate this information where it's the
safest for me. So I'll figure that out, maybe get
a few people at the same time to talk about this.
I'm not really sure trying to figure that out, but
for now, be on the lookout for that. I will
be covering that here soon and other than that, i'll
be live tonight six o'clock. I'll be live at six
Central about six hours and we'll be getting into the
dialogue from Peter Teal Peter Thiel's dialogue, and we'll also
cover some spy companies you may not have heard of
that are kind of you know, they're up there with
palants here, so very important to get into those as well.
Speaker 1: Probably have ne F Hunter with me.
Speaker 2: But other than that, thank you guys, and yeah, it
was a great episode with Matt.
Speaker 1: He's awesome.
Speaker 2: Go follow him, go like and share, and I'll see
you guys here later tonight.