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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Sikos, I am Dana Valley coming

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at you with the one the Only, mister Mort Jensen,

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of the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of

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HBO Max fame, and of OnlyFans celebrity. We are here

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to do something no other podcast in the NBA space

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is doing, and that's a talk about trade candidates. But

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not just any trade candidates under the radar, trade candidates,

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names that aren't in the rumor mill, that maybe could

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be moved, should be moved. I'm sure we'll take stances.

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We might just ask some questions here, Mort before we

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get started. How the heck are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Doing well? Sir? Doing well? Would like to give you

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an official apology for simply being in a being put

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in a situation where I couldn't get home and actually

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record an episode with you as per planned, which was

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very frustrating to me.

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Speaker 1: Millions of people were waiting for the live stream, and

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when I made the announcement, yeah it was, the response

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was especially lamentable from the alien race for people other

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planets that were waiting choppering in a live stream. So,

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but the episode went up without you. The show must

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go on We're glad that you're okay and you were

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not part of said car accident that entrenched upon your schedule.

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I did have a question for you about this exercise.

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How do you when you're thinking about this, are you

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thinking it in terms of because I didn't, which is

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why I'm asking, I'm not identifying someone where it's let's

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use the Spurs as an example where everyone's decided they're

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too good to make some sort of big move. So

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the move is what can we attached to Kelly olynic

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salary and add to this rotation. I didn't approach this

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and will not be approaching this from that perspective. I

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looked at it as guys who teams would be interested

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in actively acquiring that aren't in the rumor mill that

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if the teams get called about they either wouldn't hang

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up or shouldn't hang up, and some of them might

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be more under the radar names. I have a couple

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spicy ones in mind, and I'm just curious as to

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what your approach is going to be for it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like teams who identified good contracts for sure, but

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also just the teams that actually have the good contract

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that might be thinking hmm, you know what, this guy,

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he's going to be tough to extend because of the

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one hundred and forty percent role, So perhaps we should

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get out ahead of it as long as this guy

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has at least a couple of years left on his steal.

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So that was the perspective. I didn't think in terms

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of like package deals whatsoever. Like I am, I am

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picking individual players and basically saying this guy should have

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some trade value.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was asking me because Grant tried to gain

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an NBA trade value draft we had and he selected

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Tobias Harris at one point, and he then retracted the

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pick because he was viewing it through the lens of

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any move Detroit makes, it will be Tobias Harris plus

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whatever to bring back name right X. And so I

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was curious if you were looking at it through which

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I don't think is an invalid way of looking at it.

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I just I'm just here asking questions about whether these

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guys should be available, whether they have value. So I

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will give you the first pick. Who is your first

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under the radar NBA trade canidate.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if he counts us under the radar,

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but Onyeka Okongo.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. Were you going alphabetically, Are you just going

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through the entire league right now?

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Speaker 2: No, this is a guy I've been thinking about for

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a while. Fifteen million this year, sixteen point one next year,

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sixteen point eight during the final year of his contract.

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He is cheap under ten percent of the salary cap.

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I think it's actually pretty steady at nine point seven

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percent of the cap for the duration of his contract.

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This year, he's been starting to shoot and hit the

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three ball at a much higher clip. Still a good defender,

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still an underrated playmaker. Ass a center, you know, I

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like his defense, although he's you know, he's he's undersized,

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he's a six' eight, center you, know can you play

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him at the foe and a? Pin? Sure now that

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he's expanded this, RANGE i would argue you, could WHICH

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i also think kind of makes him a little bit more.

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someone like him on that good of a, deal especially

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when they also Got Niki Alexandra walker in there on

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that type of a, deal which is. Great so it

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like it comes down to can we as an organization

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get something in? Return For, unyeka which is going to

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be substantially better moving forward towards our. Fit. NOW i

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don't have a specific trade, destination ALTHOUGH i will say

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if there's a team that could use a center who's more,

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productive that would Be. Orlando but doesn't it make sense?

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Speaker 1: PROBABLY i guess if you try us the shooting over

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A Wendoll Carter junior, There.

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Speaker 2: Yeah but he's still is a six to eighth.

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Speaker 1: Center that's where it gets, tough, right what about they'd

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have to give up? STUFF i don't know if they're There, Boston.

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Speaker 2: Oh boston could be. Fun, yeah that'd be.

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Speaker 1: Fun WHAT i think from The hawks perspective, though it's,

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Interesting and it's if you don't want to move Jay

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you're willing to give up on yea conclute at that.

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if you're saying he would be an interesting, trade, cadiator

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are you also saying then The hawks need a different

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type of player at center long term because we know

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it's NOT kp at this point for, them.

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Speaker 2: Right, Right and and that's where the thing is for,

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Me LIKE i think you just need more, size which

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is which is ridiculous when you went out and actually

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ACQUIRED kp it's seven to three and you know you

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probably tize size And jalen And Zaka Rush Dyson, daniels

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who's like a six to eight off, Guard, LIKE i

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understand why you go out and align this this level

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of size next To trey and O congo doesn't really

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fit that mark, Right like he's so, productive but for

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the fifth, time he's six.' eight so eventually you have

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to make a call here do we start him like

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he's too good to just routinely have off the bench or,

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at least, you know play. Bench minutes that's why he's

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averaging forty one minutes on. The year but at the,

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same time you have to wonder if we're going to Stick,

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with trey do we need as an organization someone who is. Significantly, BIGGER.

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Speaker 1: Yeah i mean so you don't the fact though that

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they've been starting him lately that doesn't Do anything like

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he's been starting for them Basically since thanksgiving on a. Consistent,

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BASIS no i, think again he's too productive.

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Speaker 2: Not to But what i'm asking for them is is

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that part of their long. Term thing this could also

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be a way to just. Showcase him if we're being,

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really skeptical that could be a way of looking at

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it that they're just trotting him out there showing, The,

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league look this guy can give you sixteen to eight,

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good defense, improving shooter. Good contract, come on let's let's

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get the. Bits in.

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Speaker 1: Would you move him as part Of An anthony? Davis?

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Trade then is that Someone Who anthony davis is playing

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the five again probably won't want to play if he Goes?

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To atlanta do You View anthony davis as a better

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and you have to obviously take in all the risk

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involved of, getting older the injuries. With ad, of course

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he's gonna need to get, paid, Soon.

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Speaker 2: Right that's like after, this year he's owed one hundred and,

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eleven million and he's played how many Games for dallas

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since getting traded almost a.

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Speaker 1: Year AGO what i, will, say though is everyone who's

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bent out of shape that he has the twenty seven

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twenty eight. PLAYER option I just i would dare him

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as sure you decline that and go get seventy million dollars.

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A year no one's giving you that at, that. AGE

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man I just i think we're at a Point where

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i'm just not scared of these older dudes who are, saying,

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That well i'm gonna need. My, extension no if you want,

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the max if you're not willing. To negotiate if you're willing, to,

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negotiate sure but if you're, a team you Don't Acquire

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anthony davis, to, say, oh like we need to extend

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him for the whatever it is three and two or

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four and two on whatever it ends. Up being, so

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kung was, So good i'm just how do you upgrade?

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From him Because A jared allen type isn't gonna do it,

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FOR you, womo assume especially. This season.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting because do we think that This Is jared

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allen's new norm or do we just think this?

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Speaker 1: Is no, but so if if you're Looking At Pete,

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jared allen then, let's say do you think that he

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is a better fit For the hawks moving forward Than a.

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CONGO especially i think the part of this we've danced

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around a little bit is we just Know That jalen

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johnson is there four and he might be their temp

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pole of, the future and so that's what you really

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do need to build out your center position, KNOWING.

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Speaker 2: YEAH i i probably would lean in a DIRECTION where

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i am willing to relinquish that DEAL assuming i get.

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Something back, THAT is i don't even need a, center

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NECESSARILY like i was saying that they need. More size

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that doesn't have to come through. This trade you can

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find different avenues because then if you trade for a

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guy who's like a good wing, or whatever then maybe

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there are a couple of these wings that get freed

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up in a. Different trade like it doesn't have to,

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be oh the, Immediate saul like it could be step

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one of a two, step plan and.

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Speaker 1: Then you're kind of rolling with at center for the

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rest of the YEAR whatever kp could give. You, there, okay,

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okay yeah my first pick is going to be let's go.

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Spicier here i'm Gonna say bam at. A bio, So

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okay i'm curious just Because the bam And khalia ware

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minutes have not been working. This season minus nineteen net

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rating for the Month of december has been a disaster for.

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The year and this is easy to say right now

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Because khalil ware is playing, so well but do the

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heat if they're not gonna trade for a, bigger name

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or even if, they are do they view this? As

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Well is bam gonna be harder to fit if you Went?

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After ayiannis do they View khalil ware just he has

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two years left on his, Rookie scale he's going to.

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Be younger do they at all? Consider him he doesn't

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have the playmaking Chops, of bam Doesn't have BAM's. Defensive

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Ceiling but i'm just sort, Of wondering and maybe it's

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more so not about oh is khalil whare the impetus?

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Behind this or more so we don't know what the

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next great Team around bam is gonna. Look like who

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is the target that we're. Going after who are the

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players that we're developing in to help us become this

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behemoth In The. Eastern conference i've just thought MORE because

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i don't Love the bam And khalil ware Pairing that

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bam has to take more threes and gets fewer at,

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the rim and he's also not a high volume rim

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player as. It is defensively it hasn't been, working either

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and a lot of that his opponents are shooting an

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astronomical clip from behind the arc. Against Them but i've

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just sort of put a pin in it Because khalil

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ware has been in the speculation factory to where would

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they move him if they could get BIG. Name x

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if you're throwing, out THERE but i wondered if they

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were being maybe not, an appetite but a Willingness for

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miami to go the. Other direction if they really think

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Speaker 2: Why? Wouldn't they why? Wouldn't they he's, so intriguing and

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he's younger two years left on his rookie contract after,

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this year which means that's an enormous asset, cap wise

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and even if he gets extended to a lot, of

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money and even if It's, the max it's going to

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be The fun max for, a, while which by, the,

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way like let's that's getting ahead of ourselves because he's still,

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so young he needs to. DO more I am i

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am Willing If i'm miami to take Calls. On, BAM

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absolutely I am. I am i am willing to test

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out what the market is going. To OFFER what i

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plan you need to understand one hundred percent what it

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are you looking For the bam replacement to be more for?

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Wing guy do you need someone who runs the show at,

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the point like what is the biggest need There In.

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Speaker 1: MI miami i do think if you're going To, trade

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bam you are taking a future. Focus Package but i've

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also kind, of thought and this is now this gets

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into What is BAM's actual? Trade value but could You

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do Bam to charlotte get your own, pick back get,

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more picks and do you Get a LaMelo ball flyer

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or as part of their thinking in, that scenario We

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want Bam with LaMelo ball and that he get One

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Of content Nipple Or, Brandon miller and they're hoping To

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Have bam LaMelo One of miller And, k nipple and

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then there's there's picks involved around one of those. YOUNGER

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players I don't CHARLOTTE is i want to, Be clear

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charlotte's never given the indication that they want to accelerate to,

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that degree not During The jeff, peterson era but that.

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WAS one, i mean If. You're miami, then okay we

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have our pickback and that freez you have to do

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a whole bunch of other things moving forward.

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Speaker 2: As, well yeah. THAT'S interesting, i yeah let me ask you,

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this though just him to put a bowl. On, it

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well how do you view the current youth process of.

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The heat do you trust the young guys who are

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stepping up? Right now do you trust that these people

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that these players are well players of people are enough

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of a attraction level to where the where the heat,

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can justify, you know taking that, STEP back.

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Speaker 1: I think it depends because the closest they're gonna come

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and we've only just started to see more Of. Casperis

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hiakacions it just comes back to how do you feel

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about khalil ware as maybe your primary building block or

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do you think you're getting your primary building block back

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as part OF a. Bam Trade because i'm still is

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not had not having the most efficient stretch, right Now

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but I'M still I Like. PELEE larson I Like, HIMAI

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hakkez I like i Do, Like casparis like he's just

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very creative when he when he has the ball in.

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His hands, but no you don't look at this, and,

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say oh, we're ready like we have, our guy so

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let's push forward Around. KHALIL ware i don't KNOW that

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i would trust. THAT logic i think this would be

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more of an admittance that they don't know how to

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push FORWARD around bam to where what is the timeline

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horizon to field because they've been frisky at points. This

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YEAR but i don't View the heat as as a

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real threat in. THE easily i don't see them beating Up,

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the Pistons, the Knicks the magic and across the seven.

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Game series so that would Be the and you're also

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just we've talked a lot about. Their flexibility You Have

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andrew wiggins, Is Expiring tyler hero only has two years

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left on his conjure will be expiring after, THIS year,

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I BELIEVE so i don't know If This norman powell.

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Speaker 2: Is.

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Speaker 1: Expiring now do they view this as sort of a

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maybe natural.

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Speaker 2: Pivot, POINT yeah i wouldn't be opposed to going that

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route of just pivoting at this stage because at the

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end of, the day this team is not in, the

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hunt as, you said and they always try to be in,

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the hunt but you have to make the realization that

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eventually something's got. To give this might be the time

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to actually, do it because while you have all these

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young guys on cheap deals or, rookie deals that's when

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you actually start to make moves because you can afford

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to have stuff. GOING on i would at least prioritize

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also in addition to getting like future assets In for

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bam to have expiring deals, for SURE so i can

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go in as the heat in the summer with financial

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flexibility to do. Something else.

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Speaker 1: I'd be curious what his value would. Be too so

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my stance on This, From miami's i'm probably Just. KEEPING

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bam i don't know that his value is ever gonna

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be easy, to measure just because of how versatile he

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is on the, defensive end and he does a lot

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of stuff that just aren't going to show up in

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not just the traditional, box scores but some of the.

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Advanced Stuff, and steven let's go back to the team

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we just Spoke, about atlanta is that would they be

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interested in him if they're going From On yeka kungu

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when you run into the same problem of well he's he's,

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not bigger you're not looking. At him was he, Six'

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nine so he's won in his one Inch. On on

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yakakungu so.

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Speaker 2: For some people one inch matters.

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Speaker 1: WHICH he's better i want to. Make that Clear i'm

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just i'm wondering what would be the yo who gets

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in on this to where. They're REALLY thrilled Like i

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named charlotte is just, a thought exercise but like kind

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of considering other teams with assets or that might be

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want to go in on a. BIG name player i

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guess You could throw. ATLANTA into there i don't like

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off the top, Of my head like that's where it

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gets like he would be a fit to be. Clear

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JUST anywhere, but i mean Like it's would portland Like

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they have clinging And They. Have jan hanson are they

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gonna want to be in on That. With the spurs

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probably don't want to pair Him. Next to wenby that's

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not the guy you want to go After H, With

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toronto toronto like, if you look they seem to want

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more size out of the center position if they're gonna

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pivot from partle or have it coming. Off behind him

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so that's Where It Can, with golden state is that

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the name that they want to? Fire everything at so that,

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Could BE interesting but i do run into THE issue

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Of i think BAM's, this fantastic player but with some of,

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these OTHER guys and i run into the same ISSUE

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with A d although i feel like it's. FOR different

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reasons i kind, Of, start thinking oh who is who's

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the team that's coming In?

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Speaker 2: With the.

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Speaker 1: Godfather it's this it's the same thing with. All these

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Guys But, If i'm miami i'm probably more open To

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it than i've ever been and it to me though

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it has not, little to do but it doesn't have

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as much to do with KHALIL ware as i think

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it would for. SOME other, people i agree who's? Your

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next name.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna cheat the next name is. Not a name

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it's like a, group of guys and it's all the Expiring.

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Contracts in chicago what is? Like up there you Know

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you have vouch expiring at twenty one, Point Four million sack,

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Collins Eighteen million kevin hurder, Also Eighteen million kobe. WHITE

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thirteen million i would assume seven and, A Half million

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yvon carter. Six point nine that is a lot, of, Expiring, dollars,

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sir so like what is the deal here going? Into

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free agency just let them expire and try? To do

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something is are they planning to perhaps go out and

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see if they can make some sort of splash before

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the deadline using. THE expiring deals i just think there's

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if you're a creative general manager and if you have the,

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support of ownership and We know the, bulls have neither

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this is such a gold mine to have. At your

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disposal why you also have all, your own picks, BY the,

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way i mean a competent general manager would look at

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this situation right, now, and go oh. This is delicious

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do We trust the bulls to? Actually do anything do

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we think there's something? Of their sleeves do we think

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seems Outside? Of the bulls or like looking at certain

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players here and saying we need the financial, Relief, this

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summer like what are we Thinking With the chicago bulls?

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As expiring contracts.

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Speaker 1: You make a good point that you can't trust them

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to do, anything, WITH them Right i guess i've just

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thought about it too much to consider it being under

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the radar that they're not going to move enough of

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them or get. ANYTHING for them i guess it is

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semi noteworthy that they're more open than Ever To moving

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kobe white for, the latest REPORTING and if i HAD

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to get i do think one of he or a

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favorite of both. YOURSELF and myself i would assume who.

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WILL get moved i don't know what the, Value IS

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there and i also what is The Market, for kobe white,

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as an example is? Making so little how much bad

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money are you able to take? Back in return and

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one are the teams that are actively looking to give

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you bad money and compensate? YOU for Such i think

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dallas might be a semi good example if they could

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Use Someone like kobe white With Or without kyrie irving

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coming back. On the horizon they have some contracts they're probably,

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not thrilled about but are they a team that's gonna?

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Include draft picks when you look at where they're at

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in their own competitive timeline that it'll be fascinating to

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See what the bulls settle, for IN it because i

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do agree with you that there's a lot. Of POSSIBILITIES

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there but i, do wonder again what is the appetite

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because it seems like there will be more teams looking

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for short term salary, relief than oh we want to

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clear cap space or just like get out of this

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salary for, this coming Summer, which the bulls because of their,

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own tax situation they can give you. Some of that

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they're thirteen point six million beneath the tax and so

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like there's some, flexibility FOR sure but i, also don't

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know like what's the team That's ITCHING to and i

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guess theoretically it's easier to do what we just outlay

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using A Vouch or Kevin Herder or zach collins because

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they're making so much More money Than hyo De Sumu, and,

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kobe white.

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Speaker 2: Right and we need to just bring up the fact before,

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people are like like why? Were you, saying you're like

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why are they finally Open To. Training kobe white we've

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been telling them more or Less To trake kobe white

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for a while because we know that they. Can't extend

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him the Same. GOES for, io i mean because of the.

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ONE and rule.

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Speaker 1: I do have A question and i think, he'll Get

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more but i'm curious to see what he ends up

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getting because the average salary why? Giving him that oh

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For what's That white OR dusumo for i mean for

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either of them for to sooner you could you could

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extend him just because he's not getting more than fifteen and.

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A half million i'd be pretty surprised if. He gets

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that i'm Very Curiously where kobe. WHITE ends up. I

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don't think i just want to BE clear because i

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don't know what. That deal is it's like, Four FOR

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whatever and i think his one forty percent probably goes

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beyond the average salary at this point or at. Least

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whatever it's it's under one hundred would, be his extensions

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so He'll Probably get but i'm very, curious to see

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just with the absence of long term deals in general

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that feels like they're, Being signed up i'm very curious

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to see where his price.

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Speaker 2: Point.

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Speaker 1: Ends.

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Speaker 2: Up yeah same there's also some speculation from the fan

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base that because the team has so, many expiring contracts

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they're just gonna expire and then use the cap space

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to basically just resign some, of their guys which would

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just be. So utterly difference it'd. Be, so funny yeah

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just like you know what.

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Speaker 1: They should do they should stack all. Of them together

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you rope in whatever, parties you need and you Just

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call call, philly and say are any of those clips

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first picks? On the board If We take Joel Embiid.

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Speaker 2: Or, paul drake yep That's one that i've. Been, Thinking

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about oh i've also just Because they're the bulls And

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they LOVE chicagoans, like i do think there's merit and

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placing A call to dallas, and, just saying look we're

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not gonna. Attach draft picks we're, gonna get, you you

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know three expiring contracts and then We're Gonna take anthony

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davis and you're probably gonna like maybe, maybe not though

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because it's it's an immediate one hundred and eleven million

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dollars off the cap over the next Two. YEARS for,

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dallas i yes that is a lot of money off

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a cap for a guy who is not playing, a

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whole lot, who's getting hurt. Who's Getting older Like, I'm

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not look i'm not saying. It's gonna work I'M just

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saying i would. Understand, the Approach like If, I'M the

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bulls i. Don't do THAT why would i go out

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and get that much money on the cap for the

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next couple of years for A gamle who i'm not even.

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Speaker 1: Sure TO play so i would Do that AT chicago

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because i in my head WILL be thinking i can

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absolutely get first Round Picks for ANTHONY davis if i

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move him at some point in Another trade. FROM dallas's

470
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,279
perspective i Just, don't those yeah they might Be Appeal

471
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,680
like kobe white might be appealing the flexibility of getting

472
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,559
money off the books as part, of the Trade but

473
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,839
given dallas's track record of just what they do with their,

474
00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:23,480
CAP space anyway. I, don't know like and it's not

475
00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:24,480
like they're going to create all this.

476
00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 2: Get, Picks for, davis like honestly then you.

477
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: Don't move him YOU just, hope i would just because,

478
00:24:29,279 --> 00:24:32,240
FIRST of all i. Think you'll get if you don't,

479
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,079
Get a first. I'd be shocked there's going to be it.

480
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,759
Takes one team there will be a team that will

481
00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:36,319
talk themselves.

482
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 2: Into, giving up okay like projected to be, like, late

483
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,240
first sure but like a juicy first or was sure

484
00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:42,720
that's going to.

485
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: BE a thing, i DON'T know. But i would my

486
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:49,559
guess would be if the if the benchmark Is Let's,

487
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:53,480
Say Kobe white Kevin Herder and nicola vucevich, Just throwing

488
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:56,839
contract i'm going to assume that they can, beat that offer.

489
00:24:58,079 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 2: Assuming someone wants to beat that off and.

490
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,319
Speaker 1: If they can't as, of Right Now, AND i'm dallas

491
00:25:03,319 --> 00:25:05,680
i am rolling this. INTO the offseason i don't think.

492
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,640
There's A rush but i Do like the.

493
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,599
Speaker 2: PHILLY idea too i think that is the smart one

494
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,759
where it's just it's embid and, the, pick right like

495
00:25:13,839 --> 00:25:17,599
because that is just that's so. Much More, money jesus

496
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,400
christ it's so. Much, more money.

497
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,039
Speaker 1: Yeah It's, if you're philly are you're trying harder to

498
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:25,519
Get off the embiid Contract or. The george contract if

499
00:25:25,519 --> 00:25:28,440
you're gonna Be off, A clippers pick i'm probably pushing

500
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,640
to Get off. The Embiid.

501
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,279
Speaker 2: CONTRACT oh, EMBIID i like i am trying to use

502
00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:36,480
that to GET Off of embid and that just sounds

503
00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:40,559
so rough FOR. A former, mvp but like let's just.

504
00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:44,640
Go through it fifty eight point one, million next year

505
00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,279
sixty two point seven million, the year after and then

506
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,640
finally a player option worth sixty seven. Point four million,

507
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:57,200
there's no way there's just no effing way that he's

508
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,480
not going to. Pick that up he is, that full

509
00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:02,759
contract that's going to see the. End of, it and

510
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,920
man like It's if the bulls can get a pick

511
00:26:09,799 --> 00:26:12,720
to take him on for, Those expiring deals i'm. Doing,

512
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,319
It immediately absolutely.

513
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: Let's see what i've gotten. Next up here this is

514
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,960
because this. Team is fascinating, I'm Gonna say Dylan, brooks

515
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,799
with phoenix they don't have any material incentive to just

516
00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,279
trade him because of how, HE'S so important, i would.

517
00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:32,559
Argue too important when you look at his level of

518
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:36,839
shot creation, And shot making he's in like the ninety

519
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,880
fifth percentile of self creative shot, making right NOW which is.

520
00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:44,079
I mean wow but also the, VOLUME he's shouldering i

521
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,519
just feel like it's not going. To be sustainable but

522
00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:50,559
when you don't have the incentive, TO get worse i

523
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:53,599
Still think, from phoenix's perspective it probably means little if

524
00:26:53,599 --> 00:26:55,319
they're not Willing To, move devin booker which is. A

525
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,759
different conversation is someone gonna give you more than the

526
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:01,480
equivalent of one first Round Pick for dylan? Brooks RIGHT

527
00:27:01,519 --> 00:27:04,000
now because i made the case on a Previous podcast

528
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,119
WITH grant that I Probably, if i'm phoenix it has

529
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,599
to be more than one first ROUND pick if i

530
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:09,960
even want to, think of it because what? Is the

531
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,599
incentive but there is the push and pull of well?

532
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:16,720
Shouldn't you evaluate you have to start evaluating your direction

533
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:19,920
outside the context of, your Draft Obligations and dylan brooks

534
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,440
is probably not going to be part of the next Great,

535
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,839
iteration of Phoenix and so i'd. Just BE curious am

536
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,640
i moving him for one? First, round Pick no but

537
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,000
i'd be curious just what he, could do defensively even

538
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:32,960
kind of playing up, to the four and then what he,

539
00:27:33,079 --> 00:27:37,200
has done offensively what they could. Get for Him and,

540
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,920
If i'm them i'm absolutely open to. Hearing about it so.

541
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: What's your price Tag For? For dylan brooks like what?

542
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: DO you want i want one real, first round PICK

543
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,240
and then i would like the opportunity of always it an.

544
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:51,480
Interesting young player is it a or is? It another

545
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:54,359
pick like That's protected not you're not going to get

546
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,240
two Lottery Picks for dylan. Brooks TYPE deal but i

547
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,920
think that's that's what. Gets Me Thinking, if, I'M.

548
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:05,319
Speaker 2: Nicks YEAH i think i would, agree with you even if,

549
00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:09,359
This isn't sustainable like he's at. LEAST proven something i

550
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,519
don't think he's going to drop down to like firsteen,

551
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:14,559
Fourteen points again like he's going to settle into some.

552
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,400
Kind of rhythm Some of the kobe shots, have gone away.

553
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:27,839
Which is good the defensive intensity, remains the same. BIG wing, physical.

554
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: I mean here's i HAVE teams that i would Like

555
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,920
like the lakers should absolutely be. Calling about him they

556
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,319
can only trade one, first round pick And so does

557
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,880
ruey and that first round PICK get, because i mean,

558
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,880
to Be honest the Suns could use they could stand

559
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,400
to squeeze more juice out of, the four rotation the

560
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,559
four spot. In their rotation RUEY has been i know

561
00:28:48,599 --> 00:28:50,200
a lot of people chalking up people he's gotten To

562
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,400
play with Lebron and then Reeves and then lucas who

563
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,240
shots like he's just scoring well, at every level like at.

564
00:28:56,279 --> 00:28:59,799
These astronomical clips so Or do the lakers view that

565
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,440
as an overpay because they have these caps Base Aspirations

566
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,759
and dylan brooks is still on the books. Past this

567
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,920
season but like that's a team that. COULD use him

568
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,079
i think you could also make A case, for i

569
00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:12,599
mean you could make a case for a. BUNCH of teams.

570
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,119
I just don't THE thing that, I, struggle, with okay

571
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:17,480
well what's the team that's giving you deaf definitively more

572
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:20,279
than one? First round pick and do you view what's

573
00:29:20,279 --> 00:29:23,000
also interesting is they are, they're different players. Certainly on

574
00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:26,200
offense who do you view Is More valuable dylan brooks

575
00:29:26,359 --> 00:29:31,759
or name who's been, Mentioned A. Bunch, HERB jones oh

576
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,119
i mean This Version. Of dylan brooks The Answer.

577
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: IS dylan brooks i would say, So because, again, I'm

578
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:40,119
look man i'm a sucker for. TWO way. PLAY i

579
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,119
don't i can't sit Here And say herb jones is,

580
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:47,720
necessarily you know a. Two way Guy this, is, i'm

581
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:48,200
sorry mar.

582
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: This is nuts What here's every this is the list

583
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,000
of players who are scoring more efficiently on self created

584
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,319
shots This Season, than Dylan, brooks brandon ingram that got to,

585
00:30:00,319 --> 00:30:03,920
be coming Down, But Brandon, Ingram Shay, Gildess, Alexander, Donovan,

586
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:10,839
Mitchell Nikola, Jokic Austin. Reeves luka doncic that is that's. That's, fucking, wild.

587
00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:17,599
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. No that's crazy and so you were saying

588
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,039
one good first and maybe like one protected or. A

589
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:25,640
young player that's wild that we've reached the point twenty

590
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,000
two games in for, him at least that that's where,

591
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,319
the value is because that is NOT the value i

592
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:35,400
Had Attached to. Dylan, brooks, BEFORE yeah well i. Think,

593
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,240
that's that look that's. A good name that's probably the

594
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,039
best thing we've had, on the list because what you're

595
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:42,519
lining up here is that's why they? Should trade him

596
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,200
go go. CAN'T cash in i.

597
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,359
Speaker 1: Don't you know but there's NO the lake I said.

598
00:30:48,359 --> 00:30:50,240
The lakers already i'm just trying to think of what's.

599
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:54,759
The team is he could, Be semi interest. HE'S not

600
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:57,319
bigger i know you wanted, a Bigger, wing but atlanta he'd.

601
00:30:57,319 --> 00:31:01,279
Be interested there? Would you trade here's here's a. Galaxy

602
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:04,160
brain thing would You Just trade Zachary Resache? For dylan Brooks,

603
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,400
if you're, atlanta, you can't right you, WOULD.

604
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: Just, well, I, mean look phoenix that's probably. The REAL question,

605
00:31:16,079 --> 00:31:18,519
but i mean If if the hawks really are, TRYING to,

606
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,039
win i mean look at look at the age of

607
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:25,759
their Prime Guys Like, Trey Chris, tops jalen nikhil like

608
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,839
those guys are winning now hus they're. Not young BUCKS

609
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:37,680
so would? I be. Opposed probably not but, to Your

610
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,200
point would? PHOENIX do it.

611
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,559
Speaker 1: I don't even want to. Have this discussion it's making.

612
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:47,599
Me look comfortable you. Embrace, The discussion well I'M just

613
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,359
because I don't. Think I Could, If i'm phoenix i'll

614
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,400
probably just DO it because i will bet. On the,

615
00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:57,000
Upside And, also dylan brooks this level of shot making

616
00:31:57,119 --> 00:31:59,559
has to prove even if you get it for, the

617
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,480
entire year how much longer are you going to get

618
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,480
it For. WITH the hawks i just it's not even

619
00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:07,880
the fact that he has two years left on his

620
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,240
rookie scale because the, number one pick he's not. Super

621
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:14,000
DUPER cheap but i Don't Like having Dylan Brooks and

622
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:16,079
dyson daniels on. The same team that just gets. A

623
00:32:16,079 --> 00:32:19,240
little wonky he'd be he'd make a. LOT of sense

624
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:20,599
i don't know if they're willing to give, up For

625
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,200
This But charlotte dylan brooks would make a, ton of

626
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,000
sense and they do have, SOME extra first i don't

627
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:26,839
know if they'd be wing to throw any. On the table.

628
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 2: What is he going To? Achieve in charlotte what? Is

629
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:33,440
the play he?

630
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: Plays defense like he gives you like he's like what

631
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:38,440
everyone Used To think josh green was on defense and

632
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:41,119
very clearly is Not who he, To Be clear josh

633
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,119
green has been. INJURED this season. I know that just throwing, that,

634
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:43,680
OUT there.

635
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,599
Speaker 2: Well i mean they can, always use, LEADERSHIP but Geez

636
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:52,720
i Mean Mellow.

637
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: AND dylan brooks i think the real ISSUE is is

638
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,880
i believe you could get a first Round Pick. FOR

639
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,160
dylan brooks i think the market to get more for

640
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:06,000
him would be pretty sparse if it, Exists at all

641
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:08,599
and that WOULD be why i. Just keep him because one,

642
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,680
first Round Pick, IF i'm phoenix, I don't, know i

643
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,079
MEAN if it's i don't know what the and. The

644
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,799
tree Like if the lakers just came, in and said

645
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:18,920
here's our unprotected twenty thirty one, first round pick you

646
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,240
probably have to, think about it but you're also not getting.

647
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,440
An immediate payoff now if that pick Is attached To,

648
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:28,559
ruby hotch mora now. Now WE'RE talking BUT i don't

649
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,160
i honestly don't Even think the lakers would. Do that tree.

650
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: Is there a deal centered on the calves Where it's like?

651
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:41,480
Hunter going out let. Me just see do they have

652
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:43,240
some draft picks that? Are freed?

653
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: Up they do they can trade up to two draft

654
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,119
picks thirty thirty. And, thirty, two, right.

655
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah no wait twenty nine they're sending Something. Out to

656
00:33:54,039 --> 00:33:54,920
charlotte oh that's.

657
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: NOT a swap i thought that. Was a swap that's.

658
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: The, Least, favorable okay well if they can free, up

659
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,880
two picks because presumably they're going, to be low is

660
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:09,800
that something Do you entre hunter. And a pick? Is

661
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:16,679
That anything does hunter Make? More? Than, BROOKS yes well

662
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:17,039
I mean.

663
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: And phoenix is what they're, into the tax but they're

664
00:34:22,599 --> 00:34:25,159
below the. So they can't there'd have to be a

665
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:32,760
third team there to. Make, that work uh. You're getting smaller.

666
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 2: But why they're under there under? The, first apron oh

667
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,440
they're under. THE first apron i thought they. Were into it.

668
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,960
That's my opinon now there's there's six point two million under.

669
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: And So what is Cleveland?

670
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: Giving THEM hunter and i guess one of the. Or

671
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,079
maybe two that's what we need. To figure out Probably

672
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:52,320
one because hunter is, not you know like. HE'S not bad.

673
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,960
I like him i think you could get.

674
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,280
Speaker 1: One in a Swap out. Of CLEVELAND maybe and i

675
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,679
don't think they're gonna want To Give, up jalen tyson

676
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,079
but he.

677
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 2: Would, BE interesting, YEAH i know I probably keep tyson

678
00:35:04,519 --> 00:35:07,079
and just make the Money work with hunter and. Then

679
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:11,519
a pick but that is that something that Could save

680
00:35:11,559 --> 00:35:14,440
the cavalier? Season at ALL or am i just kind

681
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:21,480
of trying to save a situation that. SEEMS increasingly dramatic.

682
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,599
Speaker 1: I do agree That it's probably i've been a little

683
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:27,800
bit too laisse far with my lack of CONCERN. For

684
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,519
the Casa but, If i'm them i'm probably At this

685
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:34,320
point i'm not gonna double down on it by giving

686
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,760
up like a distant. First ROUND pick, AND i also

687
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,519
i really do believe that as, they get healthier, they'll

688
00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:47,280
GET better And I do dalan. BROOKS would certainly i

689
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,719
think you're thinking up. The right alley now do you trust?

690
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,199
HIM to play i think you could play in mine

691
00:35:51,199 --> 00:35:53,880
as you view mobile as the. Five, for sure.

692
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 2: Okay well that's. That's one option at least who's? Your

693
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:07,280
next name so it's again kind of cheating because Of

694
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,639
the Situation fred van leet, not playing obviously the twenty five.

695
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:16,800
Million dollar salary it's followed up by a player, option

696
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,480
next year also. Twenty five million presumably he's gonna. Pick that,

697
00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:26,840
up but nevertheless you know that's. A big contract can

698
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,159
you go out and get something if you combine it,

699
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:35,960
with You Know maybe atari. Easton or whatever what? Do

700
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:38,320
they like they still have some draft, picks going in

701
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,519
like they they HAVE control something i don't want.

702
00:36:42,559 --> 00:36:47,039
Speaker 1: To get like he also has a no the implicit no. Trade, clause,

703
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:52,760
too yeah yeah so he would. Have TO agree, but

704
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:56,440
i mean do we think he'd be. Opposed to it

705
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,840
where are you sending him that, that's, the thing right

706
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,119
because that we. Were, just talking yeah because you're if

707
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:06,960
you're a team, that's acquiring him you're not acquiring Him

708
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,199
To be fred VanVleet this Season or next you, Presumably,

709
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,320
just appreciate oh he can come off the books after

710
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,199
next season or we have this. Big expiring contract and

711
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,079
if that's the, WAY you're thinking I Just Be If,

712
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,679
I'm fred VanVleet i'm vetoing anything you put in.

713
00:37:20,679 --> 00:37:24,159
Speaker 2: Front of, me oh really because, like you know he

714
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:26,079
knows you could date a team if you have a.

715
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:28,519
Speaker 1: Team in mind but so this is.

716
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: Kind OF abstract but, i was stinking you're gonna hate,

717
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,760
me for this, By the way you're really. GONNA hate

718
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:42,199
me I was thinking derozen because just having another like big, wing,

719
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:47,599
ball handler creator shocked taker that might alleviate some of

720
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:50,800
the Offensive pressure On Shingon and kevin durant during, the

721
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,199
regular season might be allowing them to step into the

722
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,599
playoffs with having carried less. OF a burden i don't

723
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:01,840
know if. Him, OVERTHINKING it Yeah, I.

724
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: Mean DeRozan shangoon and thompson on the same team.

725
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:11,280
Speaker 2: And The, space, FACING yeah no i realize it's IT'S

726
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,119
also one i, wasn't loving it but IT was one

727
00:38:14,159 --> 00:38:16,519
i had. IN my mind i.

728
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: Would be more maybe you could do something to where

729
00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:22,519
if the other team is willing to, there's, A Wink

730
00:38:22,599 --> 00:38:25,800
wink fred VanVleet declines, his player option they're willing to

731
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,400
sign him for another two years under. The same terms,

732
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:31,079
so if, you let's say just, as This example you're

733
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,519
houston and you're ready to go balls to The Wall

734
00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:38,199
for trey murphy, And Oh yeah fred VanVleet doesn't want

735
00:38:38,199 --> 00:38:40,760
to be on, The bell. Kids i'm sure but If

736
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,840
You're getting trey murphy and they're gonna give you a,

737
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,519
Bunch of Stuff fred, van, fleet said yeah, we'll, pay

738
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:48,880
you like we'll give you, a two year fifty million

739
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,599
dollars deal if you decline your PLOT or even i

740
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:52,280
mean at this point two years and forty just to

741
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,159
guarantee himself. THE extra whatever i think it would have

742
00:38:55,199 --> 00:38:57,000
to be that. Type of scenario, AND even then i

743
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,119
Don't Know that van fleet's made a. TON of money

744
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,480
i don't know that he would accept a trade to a,

745
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:07,119
team like that which is where this. Gets, SUPER challenging yeah, i,

746
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:09,840
mean again yeah why would he Go?

747
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: To the? Kings it's fair what? Is the team what

748
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:16,880
is the team that makes It? Attractive for fred and.

749
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: He's he doesn't. MAKE it, enough i mean if there's,

750
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:22,679
multiple players involved then you're like three and four Team legs,

751
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,360
and boston says we're not putting pedal to the. Metal

752
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:28,920
this year we Want To trade anthony SIMONS. Plus salary

753
00:39:29,159 --> 00:39:31,159
x You take Back. Fred van fleet it would be

754
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,960
useful on your team. For next season but that just

755
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:36,559
the moving parts that would need to be involved to

756
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,079
make It. Worthwhile for boston and then you're also this

757
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:43,360
is Predicated on does Houston Really? Want sam hausard Do They?

758
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,679
Want anthony simons so that kind of even it would

759
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:48,840
almost it probably be easier to strike Something. Up WITH

760
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,639
brooklyn but i Don't know Why fred van fleet would

761
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:55,559
accept A, trade to, Brooklyn right right so.

762
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 2: Perhaps he was just an awful name. TO bring up

763
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:00,800
I have do?

764
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: I go BIG or so i did just do A

765
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,719
Relatively he's dylan brooks's like. Set my mainstream here. We

766
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:11,679
Go More. Jared, Jackson jr yeah i'm gonna ask. You

767
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:17,400
a Question do the grizzlies have their franchise centerpiece on their, Team.

768
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,639
Speaker 2: Right now no. Not even close then what is?

769
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: The end game especially knowing that even when you account

770
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,039
like Bi Minute Just jared jackson junior's, touches are. Down

771
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,400
he doesn't they're not leaning on him as much offensively.

772
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,039
As they were a lot of the same problems that you,

773
00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:41,280
don't like, remain the. Fouling the rebounding they renegotiated, and

774
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,320
extended him presumably because they view him as. This tenth

775
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,639
pole at, the same time you don't get, to Say

776
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:50,599
this as Memphis You. TRADED desmond bane i agree that

777
00:40:50,639 --> 00:40:52,400
they weren't good. Enough to win a title. Is currently

778
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,639
constructed you don't get to make that trade and say

779
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:59,159
that you're. All about winning now you're taking a longer

780
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,719
view and some curious if and. THERE are teams i

781
00:41:03,079 --> 00:41:05,880
think you could get A Lot For. JARON jackson Junior

782
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,960
I think san antonio would be. INTERESTED in Him i

783
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,119
think detroit would love him like he'd be an excellent

784
00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:14,480
because what are. You worried about you're. WORRIED about physicality

785
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:16,840
i guess The Rebounding, in san antonio you're not super

786
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,840
strong With, him and wemby but they would still be

787
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,119
an excellent fit together on, the defensive end.

788
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: BUT they're yeah i.

789
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,639
Speaker 1: Mean even offensively they both can space THE floor as

790
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:28,079
i Don't Know What jaron jackson junior is necessarily Taking. Away,

791
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:29,559
From wemby.

792
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 2: No I'm for, this spurs specifically it's the lack of

793
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:39,400
playoff success for or playoff Production RATHER for Triple j

794
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:43,119
that i'm. Slightly, CONCERNED about like i want someone who

795
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:46,199
has proven that he can step his game up. IN

796
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,360
the postseason.

797
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,679
Speaker 1: I do think would. BE another team i think that

798
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:55,239
we're in three plus first round Pick Territory With, jaron

799
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,480
JACKSON junior and. I don't like i think they Probably

800
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:01,840
shouldn't like chicago would appensolutely. BEING on Him i think

801
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,559
charlotte would maybe take a. LOOK at Him i said

802
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:09,159
detroit already he would be. Kind of interesting they don't,

803
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:11,000
Need him though i'm not even gonna. NAME that, team

804
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,519
I Mean would Loss would the clippers just put their

805
00:42:13,519 --> 00:42:15,880
two tradable first round picks, on the table plus another

806
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,239
swap and then salary in there to? Go Get Him

807
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:22,599
would miami They Already Have, khalil warren bam but would they, Be,

808
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,519
thinking about Well We think karon Jackson junior and bam.

809
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,760
Make more sense milwaukee does not have the assets to do. Anything,

810
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:31,239
with that.

811
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,039
Speaker 2: Yeah He Like a laker sky because when you're thinking

812
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:40,519
about like The, fit alongside luca that is that has always.

813
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:43,639
Been the guy if you Want To Pair jaron jackson

814
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,920
junior with, someone that is Or rather giving luca like a,

815
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:53,079
real running Mate It's Been jaron jackson junior, just you know,

816
00:42:53,199 --> 00:42:59,360
the six, eleven the athleticism the, three point acumen. The

817
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:05,719
rim running That Is the. Luka doncic fit but how

818
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,960
do you? Get him there what? Deal makes sense because

819
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,119
they can't offer the amount of picks and they don't have.

820
00:43:11,159 --> 00:43:15,239
The young players what the hell? Is, the deal yeah

821
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:15,559
it would.

822
00:43:15,559 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 1: BE this summer I mean unless Memphis Really, wants AUSTIN

823
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:20,840
reeves which. I don't know with him about to be,

824
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,719
A free agent i don't know why they. Would this

825
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,320
summer they can, trade twenty six, twenty thirty one and,

826
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,960
twenty thirty three and so if you're including swaps and

827
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,480
there might be more. To it There? What about Toronto

828
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,679
him and. Scotty could work he Could. Play with PERLE but,

829
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:40,840
if i guess if you're looking to Beef. UP the,

830
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,960
soulo i mean if he's your, second string five he

831
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,480
has to be able. To handle that if you're looking

832
00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:48,159
to get, bigger and burlier That's not necessarily that's not the.

833
00:43:48,159 --> 00:43:53,519
Way he plays we know that. Is There is does

834
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,199
utah take a, look, And, Say Hey Kessler jared Jackson

835
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,559
junior and lowry market in and out are our front court.

836
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,360
Of the future.

837
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,679
Speaker 2: That'd be fun. THAT'D be FUN i don't i wouldn't

838
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:05,199
hate that and think you would have to relinquish some of.

839
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:06,920
The young guys but like they have so many and,

840
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:11,199
they have picks here's an odd. One, FOR you like

841
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,519
i don't know how they make. The value work It

842
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:17,960
should the wolves be all In On Making jaron Jackson

843
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,840
Junior the. Rudy gobert replacement is there something? There?

844
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: TO it man i just don't know how? You get

845
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:26,480
right they have no first round. Picks to trade so the,

846
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:28,480
answer is no if you can't promise the first round

847
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:29,960
Pick right.

848
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,519
Speaker 2: In dillingham like that might have been their one, chip

849
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:35,360
to play but he just doesn't. Have, the value no.

850
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 1: Not even close what about because they got some buck

851
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:42,039
bucks Pick? Commitments, about portland.

852
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:47,519
Speaker 2: Yeah so yeah who's being sent.

853
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,679
Speaker 1: Out here because maybe is it a Package built around

854
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,159
scoot and it's if they're If They're Moving, jaron jackson

855
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,159
junior you Have To imagine john morant's. On, the table.

856
00:44:56,320 --> 00:45:01,519
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure so they just center in the. Last

857
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:05,039
two drafts They Also, Have jeremy Grant they have denny

858
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:08,320
who's also like a three four. Still, have time lord

859
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,159
they had to move a lot, Of PIECES around but i.

860
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:17,559
Don't hate it like, what but again like what? IS

861
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:18,119
the deal.

862
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:22,639
Speaker 1: I think You're Probably using jeremy grant as, the primary

863
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:24,800
south which means that you're gonna have to include more

864
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,800
picks sort Of what when memphis made The, trade with

865
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,960
orlando wasn't just four first Round Picks. For desmond bane

866
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,000
it was what HE took on Kcp. And, col anthony.

867
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 2: Yeah that's that's a lot of. Drafts, true relinquish yeah

868
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,239
is there someone is there somewhere where they, have the

869
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,800
picks they. HAVE the Deals i don't.

870
00:45:47,639 --> 00:45:50,199
Speaker 1: So this is this IS to maybe i. Don't know

871
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,679
why they would just be so expensive and this WOULD

872
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,400
go against i feel like every way they build. Their

873
00:45:55,440 --> 00:46:02,679
team Financially But, The, Pacers Haliburton Yeah, jaron jackson junior.

874
00:46:03,079 --> 00:46:06,119
Speaker 2: That'd be fun how do? YOU get, there i.

875
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,679
Speaker 1: Mean they have picks, to give up but YOU'RE looking

876
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,800
At I guess Andrew Nemhart and obi toppen have to

877
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,000
Be the primary. Marney going out do.

878
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: You give up the? Twenty six pick do, you actually

879
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:23,800
say if we give up the? Twenty six? Unprotected, oh wow.

880
00:46:23,679 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 1: No you know They're not gonna they're not gonna do

881
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,119
that because they would rather. Roll the dice i'm assuming

882
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:30,760
just based Off how expensive derek or if you, get

883
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,880
moving forward, they're gonna say we want the shot at the.

884
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,360
COST controlled talent, I.

885
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,159
Speaker 2: Would too i would always Choose That Over. Jaron jackson

886
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:40,039
junior but if, you were saying like the price is

887
00:46:40,199 --> 00:46:43,800
three first at least that's a conversation you have. Behind

888
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,880
closed doors.

889
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: Cleveland would be an interesting team over the summer when

890
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,920
they have more first round. Pick equity available maybe they're

891
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,880
Open to Moving Garland. Or jared allen and right now

892
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,840
they're just so far to. The second apron you would

893
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,320
need a straight up Contract To Get, jared jackson junior

894
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,840
which they. JUST don't have I could see chicago doing

895
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:06,239
something stupid like three first Round picks and. BOOZELLIS or

896
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,599
something i could just see it'd.

897
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,519
Speaker 2: Be that would. Be, horrifyingly stupid, YES he.

898
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: WOULD i would. I just don't they don't have the

899
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,400
money to. MAKE it work i, Mean they do but

900
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,920
you have, to ask yourself what's. The trade off boston,

901
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:23,119
Will be fun boston, would Be Good bost derek. WHITE is,

902
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,039
gone i mean can you get there without one Because

903
00:47:25,039 --> 00:47:27,719
you have simon's at twenty? Seven? To five right or is?

904
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,320
He twenty eight twenty? SEVEN to five? I think so

905
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:35,760
i mean you're more. Than halfway there howser's, another, what,

906
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,639
ten twelve ten you're? At, thirty eight yeah you're, NOT

907
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:45,239
get well, i don't know. THAT'S pretty close i don't

908
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,000
know how many picture putting on. The table, there But

909
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,440
yeah so simon's at twenty seven, six plus ten you're

910
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,239
at thirty seven six after that shave off.

911
00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 2: Some luxury tax Stuff there. In, boston, Too.

912
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah Well jared jackson junior is way more expensive. Than,

913
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:00,800
thirty seven now so.

914
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,679
Speaker 2: Oh, not this year. Too's thirty five this year.

915
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: He's a, thirty oh, yeah, all right yeah that would

916
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,119
be that. Would be interesting so you could get There Without,

917
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,880
Trading Derek white Jailhen Brother or jason tatum if you want.

918
00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 2: Bumpus NEXT year that's i.

919
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 1: Forgot about that that it was the RENEGOTIATION and extent

920
00:48:20,159 --> 00:48:20,519
i totally.

921
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: Forgot right exactly the extension of itself is, like.

922
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:28,159
Speaker 1: NEXT year right i would very much Like, HIM in,

923
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,599
detroit i think because you're gonna have one of duran

924
00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:34,119
or is they a stewart there, after the fact you

925
00:48:34,119 --> 00:48:35,840
could probably even get to the money without giving up,

926
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,400
either of them since he's, at thirty five so you

927
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:43,119
have your physicality element and he. Gives, you another yeah

928
00:48:43,119 --> 00:48:44,599
he could, play the four he could, play the five

929
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:46,440
and then he also we know based off the past,

930
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,639
couple of seasons he has more self. Creation In him

931
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,239
that detroit might, be my favorite maybe my favorite potential.

932
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,239
TEAM for him i just are they willing to go

933
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,639
in and they have they can give you one, intriguing

934
00:48:57,679 --> 00:49:01,239
young Player Whether. IT'S RON holland i I Would assume

935
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,320
assar thompson's, off THE table but I don't Know.

936
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,519
Speaker 2: I WOULD yeah so i would probably go with the

937
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:11,480
PICKS route. If i can And Then that's tobias harris

938
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,159
in what in terms of The salary.

939
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:16,559
Speaker 1: COMPONENT i'm including i don't think you're getting out of

940
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,920
that deal in part because if you don't Want to Trade,

941
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:21,639
stu or duran you're gonna HAVE to include i Think

942
00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:21,960
one Of.

943
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: Ivy Or holland then I'm. Probably relinquishing holland.

944
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: OH that's INTERESTING i mean i guess in theory they

945
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,519
could just get to the. MONEY with that I mean

946
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:36,880
because harris you said twenty, six to Six And then

947
00:49:37,039 --> 00:49:41,440
duncan robinson's, Sixteen point eight laverts at, Fourteen point one.

948
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,320
So they don't they don't if they really just Wanted

949
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,360
to overload, memphis, and say hey there's no, bad contracts

950
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,679
here they are basically you all functionally Expiring except for

951
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,719
lavert has that other year left. On his deal here's

952
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,960
salary in. All, the, BIGS yeah.

953
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: HM i Do I had laurie market Impacted, for THE

954
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,239
pistons but. I WILL concede although i am not A

955
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:13,639
Fan Of. Jaron jackson jr the defensive upside There next

956
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:18,880
to duran with a Big. Guard Like cade if thompson

957
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,079
still is like on the team, after, THAT trade yeah

958
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:25,000
i mean they can get right back to their old

959
00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:29,320
glory days of, that you KNOW identification or i what do?

960
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,840
You call it basically their identifier of being a. Defensive

961
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,760
first team is there enough firepower offensively on that in

962
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,480
that unit in? The regular, season There Is Because jaron

963
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:44,000
jackson junior in the regular season at least is a

964
00:50:44,039 --> 00:50:47,480
strong score In, The play hey i'm gonna bring up, the,

965
00:50:47,519 --> 00:50:50,119
same points man. Because it's real i'm not gonna sit here.

966
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:55,599
And sugarcoat it he becomes substantially worse in the. Playoffs

967
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,880
so far that's. What WE'VE seen so i have absolutely

968
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,079
no reason to sit here and be optimistic because all the.

969
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:03,920
Data points differently SO why would i go? Against the

970
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:08,880
Data but the pistons might just be the team that

971
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:11,840
could put him in like the right spot in terms

972
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,199
of like the offensive totem poles. Make that work you're.

973
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:18,159
Speaker 1: Betting a Lot Offensively on asar Thompson or If jade

974
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:19,800
and ivy is Still there then but what you're also

975
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,480
running Into is so jackson begins, His big deal kate

976
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:27,000
is already on, his big deal and then you have

977
00:51:27,039 --> 00:51:30,280
to worry about during going into Free agency And jade

978
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,800
and ivy going into restricted free agency with Him and

979
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:38,639
aresar thompson's extension. Eligible this summer So maybe Maybe jade

980
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:40,480
and ivy just isn't going to be that, expensive to

981
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:43,639
keep and that's the rationale because. Of the injuries but

982
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,639
that would be the gamble, that you're making is or

983
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,400
maybe it's part of the logic as to why you

984
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,400
Try to Include jade and ivy is part of an

985
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,079
asset in that trade because you don't plan to. PAY

986
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:56,320
him anyway i just don't Know what memphis is interest in.

987
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,360
HIM would be i have No idea what. Memphis is doing,

988
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:03,239
so like there they have one of The fuzziest time

989
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,320
and maybe the other thing that complicates is they've just been,

990
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,159
friskier lately too and, so it, says, all right well

991
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:10,760
now what are? They GONNA do BUT i Love I.

992
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,320
LOVE cedric coward i, just Don't Know and zach edie

993
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:17,440
before he, got injured again. WAS just mountainous i just

994
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,840
don't look at any of their guys Now and say

995
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,920
i'm not building My Team Around jaron Jackson Junior. Or

996
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,719
cedric coward they're as. Options, TWO three sure i think

997
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,119
That healthy ja morant would still be their best. Center

998
00:52:33,159 --> 00:52:37,760
PIECE option and i don't know that such A version

999
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,079
of joamorant really, exists anymore either which is. Further complicating

1000
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:41,719
matters who's.

1001
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 2: Your next name so it's funny we were Talking about

1002
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,559
THE pistons BECAUSE i was i was Thinking About to

1003
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:51,280
tobias harris just in terms of as. An expiring contract.

1004
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: So you are so you're going against what you said.

1005
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,800
At the top then it's where you're looking at just

1006
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:57,880
PLAYERS who.

1007
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,679
Speaker 2: Are i mean players could be as active also. For,

1008
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:06,440
contractual reasons again teams that are looking to rid themselves of.

1009
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,360
Long term money i'm not sitting, here, and Saying Oh,

1010
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:11,400
package tobias harris that's probably gonna.

1011
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: Be the play.

1012
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,199
Speaker 2: LET'S be real i am, asking the Question, asking questions

1013
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:21,360
dan just. Wondering out loud could there Be Interest in

1014
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,679
tobias harris asks the expiring contract that he is at

1015
00:53:24,679 --> 00:53:27,559
twenty six. Point six million is there some team out

1016
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:33,559
there that is looking shit money this coming summer, and, are,

1017
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:37,400
like okay look we need to go get a guy

1018
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,840
who expires in that, chunk of change who isn't going

1019
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,719
to be a part of our future that we can

1020
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,719
get for not a lot, of you know a. Lot

1021
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,079
of conversations so maybe someone who runs, a year longer

1022
00:53:48,119 --> 00:53:50,159
but it's better, and, If, SO who.

1023
00:53:51,559 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 1: WELL i think I guess what i'm having trouble wrapping

1024
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,480
my head around is if do? You HAVE suggestions otherwise

1025
00:53:56,519 --> 00:53:59,480
i don't, Know What right so i'm going to have.

1026
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,440
LIKE a again i don't. Love the spacing i'm going

1027
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:05,400
to go Back to the sacramento kingswell, with THE roasten

1028
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,480
because i really want to Roasting. Off THE kings but

1029
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:09,599
i can't find a fucking Home, For Him dan so

1030
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:12,519
i'm trying to squeeze HIM in, wherever i can someone

1031
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:16,000
who is able to take. And make shots but, the

1032
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:17,960
thing is he's just not a, three POINT shooter so

1033
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,079
i don't. Love the fit but he can't create off.

1034
00:54:21,079 --> 00:54:23,719
His own accord he can't get, into the post he

1035
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,239
can't get into the. MID range area i kind of

1036
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,000
like the fact that you just add someone else in

1037
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:32,159
there who's pretty secure also. With the ball he's not a, High,

1038
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:35,880
turnover guy kate, let's be real has, some turnover issues

1039
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,199
like perhaps a presence of the ros and negates.

1040
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 2: Some OF that but, i also see like the spacing.

1041
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,559
Issues are real, he's oldest dirt like what is? The

1042
00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:47,400
vision there.

1043
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: What's the vision? With the rosen but it's just and

1044
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:56,599
then also you as a jade and ivy GUY too

1045
00:54:57,079 --> 00:55:00,639
that i feel like fudges up his fit a. Little bit,

1046
00:55:00,639 --> 00:55:03,920
more And, then as detroit are? You being compensated it

1047
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,000
Is because de rosen's guaranteed ten? Million next year and

1048
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:09,400
do You want de rosen? On your roster If They

1049
00:55:09,519 --> 00:55:11,480
viewed de rosen, as an asset it's. A different story

1050
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,360
and then you're also creating probably more of a void

1051
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,639
in the front court as to who's the guy you

1052
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:19,519
Want next to Duraan.

1053
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:23,559
Speaker 2: And, Or stewart, yeah derosen smaller. THAT is true i

1054
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:27,440
was thinking the talent disparity between the two would actually

1055
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,039
be the Winning formula, for detroit here because you know

1056
00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:33,519
that's that's where you paid the extra ten million coming.

1057
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:36,840
In next year that's why you kind of swallow that

1058
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:42,599
is because you get. It talent upgrade you could also

1059
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:50,159
go in, A different DIRECTION I Guess i anthony simon's

1060
00:55:50,559 --> 00:55:54,440
at twenty seven point six is that something just? Like,

1061
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,960
a flame again it Goes against The jade. And ivy

1062
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:01,960
Situation But, If i'm detroit i'm still looking for something more.

1063
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,159
OF a score i understand that they do have kid

1064
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:08,199
gets you a lot of points. EVERY single game i

1065
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,400
get that still need someone who, with spacing capabilities also

1066
00:56:12,639 --> 00:56:14,119
need someone who can just put the ball. In the

1067
00:56:14,199 --> 00:56:17,480
hoop but he's also an expiring so that kind of goes.

1068
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:21,519
Against that element I'm Wondering if tobias harris has value

1069
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:22,960
just as an expiring contract.

1070
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:29,079
Speaker 1: Or at all i'm sure he might have value as.

1071
00:56:29,079 --> 00:56:31,480
AN expiring contract i Just don't view detroit as a

1072
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:36,000
team that's trying to take on money they, don't necessarily

1073
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,440
like because the vision it sounds like is you're trying

1074
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,320
To get the Pistons' Assets for, tobias harris's salary which

1075
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,880
they would, try TO do but i think the asset

1076
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,320
acquisition Would be not they don't want picks for taking

1077
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,440
on a player they. Don't necessarily want they want a

1078
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,199
Better Player, than TOBIAS harris and i would think that

1079
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,239
they would want someone who plays his position as the

1080
00:56:57,239 --> 00:57:01,400
Primary Upgrade and anthony simon's And de martirow in just like.

1081
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,760
That doesn't work if They Really wanted jeremy grant back,

1082
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,199
for some reason they could do. SOMETHING like that i

1083
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,639
just don't that's not going to move the, needle for them.

1084
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: In My Opinion if john collins had one more year,

1085
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:13,320
ON his deal i think that would be.

1086
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: Why They have Isaiah Stewart. AND jalen duran i, JUST

1087
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,320
don't LIKE i.

1088
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:20,599
Speaker 2: GUESS i don't i don't consider neither of those those two.

1089
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:23,559
Like REAL force and i also don't consider. THEM natural

1090
00:57:23,559 --> 00:57:27,639
Scores i think collins is grotesquely underrated. As a, score

1091
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,239
you know he can, pick and pop he can. Pick,

1092
00:57:31,239 --> 00:57:34,199
and roll there there's, A lot there like he even

1093
00:57:34,239 --> 00:57:38,280
got like the mid, range PUSH shot and i would

1094
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,119
just like to see. Them do Something and what i'm

1095
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:44,079
also asking the question is In Terms, of tobias harris

1096
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:47,480
is just what? Is his value like do you does

1097
00:57:47,559 --> 00:57:50,400
any team look at the biers and like trade him

1098
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,639
for the player that he is or is it. EXCLUSIVELY

1099
00:57:53,679 --> 00:57:56,039
the contract i think. IT'S the.

1100
00:57:56,119 --> 00:57:58,039
Speaker 1: LATTER i don't i don't Even know if i'm surprised

1101
00:57:58,079 --> 00:57:59,679
that you even think that would. BE a debate i

1102
00:57:59,679 --> 00:58:01,880
guess Is really what. I'M struggling with i DIDN'T look

1103
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,000
at i didn't look At the bias harris as someone

1104
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,320
who has a ton, of standalone value who's been Solid.

1105
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,000
For THE pistons and I think, as, i mean like

1106
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:11,920
even if You're going From, Harris to collins harris has

1107
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,000
way more self Creation juice than collins, in a PINCH

1108
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:17,920
and so i don't know that Would help. The pistons,

1109
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:19,239
either that's.

1110
00:58:19,239 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 2: Fair that's fair.

1111
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: Let's go to, my NEXT name and i am going

1112
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,840
and that's probably too nuclear. For this discussion Let's Talk.

1113
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:35,320
About peyton, watson oh okay headed into restricted free. Agency

1114
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,840
This summer the nuggets are with eleven players on the,

1115
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,719
books next year are right up Against. The second apron

1116
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,199
Already They've. PAID christian Brown I think peyton watson's had

1117
00:58:45,199 --> 00:58:48,400
a really. Good season overall the three has been falling

1118
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:48,559
at a.

1119
00:58:48,559 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 2: Better higher clip we've seen a little bit more of him,

1120
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,360
on the ball we know for the most part what.

1121
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: HE is. DEFENSIVELY i Don't i think denver can look

1122
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,480
at this from, a few ways but the predominant ones

1123
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:02,599
would be we're not going to pay him because of

1124
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,159
where we're at financially and who we've. Already committed to

1125
00:59:05,559 --> 00:59:08,039
but also do they view him as a vehicle through

1126
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:10,920
whom they can get off the final Two Years of.

1127
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,800
Zeke Nagy's contract and i've proposed this trade like, Forty

1128
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,239
times over but is there Some Variation Of peyton watson Zeke?

1129
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,320
Naj for iodsumu is that something. That bulls consider can

1130
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,039
you include they have a second round pick. They could

1131
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:28,880
trade does that? Get You there and I'm also just

1132
00:59:29,760 --> 00:59:31,559
i'm also just curious as to what would be. THAT

1133
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,440
is there i think a lot of teams would Take,

1134
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:37,679
flyers on watson but because there is so little competition

1135
00:59:37,719 --> 00:59:42,199
in restricted free, agency these days would teams place slightly

1136
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,719
more value than, Normal, on knowing oh we get this

1137
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:48,519
guy and we basically get to negotiate with him not

1138
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,360
having to deal with other suitors because that's JUST not how,

1139
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,760
rfa works anymore to where it's, not just yeah you

1140
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,280
do have, to pay him so that's part, of the

1141
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,719
calculus but you're not worried about him going into the

1142
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,440
open market like like just. A bigger name i'm trying

1143
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,679
to think of like an Unrestricted Free, like tobias harris

1144
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,039
your favorite god mard it was going to be an,

1145
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:09,119
unrestricted free agent could SiGe. Wherever YOU want.

1146
01:00:10,519 --> 01:00:14,599
Speaker 2: It's i love that framing in terms of does he

1147
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,639
actually have more trade value because he's going to be a?

1148
01:00:17,679 --> 01:00:19,639
Restricted free agent because that.

1149
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: Was definitely then more if he was going TO be a? Usa?

1150
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 2: For, sure, right, Sure yes yes but that it's funny

1151
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,199
because that wasn't the thinking, five, years ago right AND

1152
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:32,639
then the, rfa markets died and it's interesting to see

1153
01:00:32,679 --> 01:00:36,039
how now that type of situation can be viewed. AS

1154
01:00:36,039 --> 01:00:39,599
an asset i think that's incredibly interesting just for like

1155
01:00:39,639 --> 01:00:42,360
the structure of the league moving forward and in terms.

1156
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:49,239
Of Decision making so i've always loved The idea Of yadussum.

1157
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:53,639
IN denver always i think that is like his primary

1158
01:00:53,719 --> 01:01:01,079
Landing Spot. For peyton, watson that's man do you ever

1159
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:06,360
really want to go big wing for real sort of

1160
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:07,960
half Undersized Guard.

1161
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 1: When, spencer jones exists maybe are a little bit more.

1162
01:01:12,519 --> 01:01:13,239
Open to, It.

1163
01:01:16,119 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 2: Fair enough he's just he's, Intriguing.

1164
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:27,119
Speaker 1: To, me watson yeah which is if Your stance as,

1165
01:01:27,159 --> 01:01:31,159
denver is no we're, NOT doing that. I, totally understand

1166
01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:35,000
yeah but are you going? To pay him because there's

1167
01:01:35,039 --> 01:01:37,360
no Just you, could let's say let's say there's a

1168
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,599
team that just Willing To. Take zeke nashi you're not

1169
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:43,159
escaping the second apron next, year that way because you

1170
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:45,119
still need to fill. Out Your Roster, and peyton watson

1171
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:49,159
i'm assuming is going to get more than twelve. Million,

1172
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:54,320
A Year yeah so i'm just curious as to they

1173
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:55,920
they've been willing to pay their own guys, in the

1174
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,199
past but if, they sign him it sort of, makes me,

1175
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:00,719
wonder all right maybe they're gonna stay second apron, for?

1176
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:04,320
Next year right or is there another type of not

1177
01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:06,719
sell off but or are they deciding? To move, On,

1178
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:08,920
is it oh we're just not, gonna You Know what's

1179
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,039
cam johnson's value now? After this YEAR i'm just i

1180
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:18,119
have a Tough Time, Imagining Cam, johnson Peyton Watson and

1181
01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:21,280
christian brown all Being on the nuggets. Beyond this season.

1182
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,920
It's the Moment i'm just i'm probably just Zeroing In

1183
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,639
on PEYTON watson because i, it's BUT yeah it's i

1184
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:29,480
don't think all three of those Guys are in. Denver

1185
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,039
next Season and if watson's the guy that's not, gonna

1186
01:02:32,079 --> 01:02:35,199
be there are you comfortable letting him? Walk for nothing

1187
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:36,800
is this a situation where you pay him and then

1188
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,719
you're just confident that you could move him before the

1189
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,519
twenty twenty seven draft if you're looking to get out of,

1190
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:43,199
the second apron are you just maybe they're open to

1191
01:02:43,239 --> 01:02:45,159
paying the second? Apron NEXT year don't i? Don't like

1192
01:02:45,159 --> 01:02:47,920
that would it? Would surprise me but it. Wouldn't SHOCK

1193
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,440
me if i would assume what had been on, A

1194
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,719
longer deal i would have. Pulled the trigger the fact

1195
01:02:53,719 --> 01:02:57,119
that he's going to. Be to understood do you think He's,

1196
01:02:57,159 --> 01:02:59,239
gonna cast well if You're Getting, off zeke dash he's deal, in,

1197
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,000
the process though that's also part. Of, the value, yeah that's.

1198
01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 2: Right that's fair that is fair BECAUSE that was i

1199
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:07,920
like the deal. OF the time i do, not like

1200
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,719
it noubt that was just. That was bad who do

1201
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,719
you think gets more? In Free agency PEYTON watson or

1202
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:22,239
I Would ASSUME probably am i really? GOING to, Say,

1203
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:25,159
I ow yeah, i Probably Am because, peyton watson, is

1204
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:28,239
you know a, restricted free agent so he's, gonna be RIGHT.

1205
01:03:28,159 --> 01:03:32,119
Speaker 1: That's a i do still, THINK that positionally i think

1206
01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:34,079
it'll End. Up being WATSON but if i were, Running

1207
01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:37,519
a team i'm probably willing to. Pay, right now anyway

1208
01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:41,480
if you See something, IN watson's upside i think he

1209
01:03:41,519 --> 01:03:43,159
could do even more. On the ball if he's in,

1210
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:44,920
a different setting maybe you're maybe you're willing to pay.

1211
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:47,760
Him Bowloads more but. I'M with you I just think

1212
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,760
i'm with, you in thought, BUT in Practice I think

1213
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,360
peyton watson will be the player with. A.

1214
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 2: HIGHER isolation yeah i think THAT'S reasonable because i, mean

1215
01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:59,920
big Wings especially, to WAKE guys which i think you

1216
01:04:00,119 --> 01:04:02,119
Can Argue that peyton watson is a two way player,

1217
01:04:02,159 --> 01:04:04,360
at this point at least unless this season. IS an

1218
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:08,320
outlier i guess, we'll find out but that just should

1219
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:10,599
be a little. Bit more interesting?

1220
01:04:11,079 --> 01:04:12,719
Speaker 1: Is this enough and it kind of steps on the

1221
01:04:12,719 --> 01:04:15,360
toes of WHAT would be i think we're some, of

1222
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,159
my Candidates so maybe i'll throw them. Up on here

1223
01:04:17,159 --> 01:04:20,840
but If you put watson your second round pick and

1224
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,400
your second round pick, on The table maybe watson straight

1225
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:24,440
up you have to figure out a way to make.

1226
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,079
The money work does That get you Any Of the

1227
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:31,000
utah jazz guards, might be Interesting Like if isaiah collier

1228
01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:34,199
was Your Backup or keyante george. WAS your Backup I

1229
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:37,960
think keante george is probably played yeah Too well by.

1230
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:40,559
Marge THIS season But I mean peyton watson and that

1231
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:43,239
second Or Is it peyton watson in a Swap To,

1232
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,519
get keyante george who only has another hero left on?

1233
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:47,760
His rookie scale do you think he Could? Play with

1234
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,320
murray that would be, An open question But, they have

1235
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:53,079
collier THEY also have i don't think that this is

1236
01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:55,239
what they want out. Of that Spot but Like Shaie

1237
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,360
m kay luke has been. Fantastic this season You Also

1238
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:00,599
have bryce sensaba's roles been a little all. OVER the

1239
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:02,679
Place I think will hardy has done a good job

1240
01:05:02,719 --> 01:05:05,119
like finding ways to get a lot of. These guys

1241
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:07,760
minutes but there's a very Clear Because there's walter CLAYTON'S

1242
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,840
there and i mentioned His feet And, Bryce Sen, Sibah Isaiah.

1243
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:14,280
Collier kyante GEORGE that's why i Also view the.

1244
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 2: Jazz as guards i'm just looking at the, guards, and

1245
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:17,840
saying oh is there some?

1246
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: Trade possibilities here.

1247
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 2: The fact that you Even Bring up keyante george. DOES surprise,

1248
01:05:24,519 --> 01:05:26,639
ME i mean i understand he's playing for, a bad

1249
01:05:26,679 --> 01:05:30,199
team but twenty four four and seven getting to the

1250
01:05:30,239 --> 01:05:31,519
line ALMOST time game.

1251
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: I DON'T grant and i actually when we did our,

1252
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,559
TRADE value DRAFT i Think I drafted keyantay george with

1253
01:05:36,599 --> 01:05:41,519
my last pick because MY rationale is i think he's

1254
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:44,480
been really, good, this season Right and If, I'M the

1255
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:47,880
jazz i want no part of paying him to run my.

1256
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:51,199
OFFENSE moving forward i think if your plan is to,

1257
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,280
keep lowry market and if It's To. KEEP walker kessler

1258
01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:57,039
i don't know that Being In the kyante george business

1259
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:00,719
makes sense financially, or really functionally and IT would be

1260
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:02,480
i think it would be. A lot different i was

1261
01:06:02,519 --> 01:06:05,360
So high on kiante after his first year if he

1262
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,079
was a more effective pull up jump SHOOTER to where

1263
01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:11,280
i think it's there's there's a trade, off, between having

1264
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:13,440
oh look at what he can do away, from the

1265
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,840
ball but you also if he's. Running your offense the

1266
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,000
passing has gotten so much. Better this year, the decision,

1267
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:20,360
making the, Passing it's great but he's about to be

1268
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,960
extension eligible and where are you at in? Your competitive

1269
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:27,400
timeline so that's it was a cell High from the

1270
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:29,920
JAZZ is how. I view it I Don't view peyton watson,

1271
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:31,519
as selling high which is why he wouldn't. Be the

1272
01:06:31,599 --> 01:06:34,880
name but if you Are Committed, to keyante George You

1273
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,800
know Peyton Watson, for isaiah collier is that or either?

1274
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,559
Of THESE teams Considering I think peyton watson's probably the.

1275
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:44,480
More valuable archetype collier Remains turnover bron but when that dude,

1276
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:45,840
gets downhill man?

1277
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:50,679
Speaker 2: Can? He? Pass yeah yeah what is what is the

1278
01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:56,159
trade value in A Vacuum. For keance george do, you think.

1279
01:06:56,039 --> 01:06:58,559
Speaker 1: SO here's one. I threw out anyone who listened, to

1280
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:01,480
that episode shout out For. Sticking with, Hardmorox but also

1281
01:07:01,519 --> 01:07:05,159
i'm sorry. For repeating myself is? There something too maybe

1282
01:07:05,159 --> 01:07:06,719
there needs to be a lower end, first of All

1283
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:09,159
But like Tari Eastan, FOR kyante George.

1284
01:07:11,519 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 2: I love tari and that that almost feels Low considering

1285
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:17,400
what george is.

1286
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 1: Doing right now so what If it, was houston says

1287
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,119
here's a shitty first Round Pick and tari.

1288
01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:26,199
Speaker 2: Easton, that's cci yeah that's. That's, JUST swallow yeah i.

1289
01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,920
LIKE the framework i do. Like the framework that's.

1290
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,000
Speaker 1: Not bad that my thought, process was though is there

1291
01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:36,880
a team you could get? First round, equity and look

1292
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,960
if jazz fans want to sit HERE and say, I would,

1293
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:40,800
rather i mean If You're, getting tari easton you need

1294
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,800
to have the Discussion, If you're utah but if you're

1295
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:44,519
sitting here as, a JAZZ fan and i think that

1296
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:47,679
you're right in saying we want a mid end first

1297
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:50,159
round pick for someone who might be As Good as

1298
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:52,440
keyanta george, is right now if not probably worse. THAN

1299
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,199
he's playing i think. THAT'S totally Fair i just utah's

1300
01:07:56,239 --> 01:07:58,440
in such a weird spot they're gonna have to lose

1301
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:01,159
their way out of giving this, year's draft pick which

1302
01:08:01,199 --> 01:08:02,559
is not a position that they want it. To Be

1303
01:08:02,599 --> 01:08:07,000
in so i'm, just asking questions but it doesn't have.

1304
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:11,039
To be him what is The Does does isaiah collier have?

1305
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:13,199
Any trade? Value could you and? What do you because

1306
01:08:13,199 --> 01:08:15,920
if You're Trusting, in keyante george. They've been wised you

1307
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,039
can Find Ways again isaiah. Collier in minutes but what

1308
01:08:18,119 --> 01:08:20,520
is the just sort of what's the end game with?

1309
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:24,359
Your backcourt? Rotation mm hmm what is.

1310
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:26,560
Speaker 2: The back what is the end game with the? Entire,

1311
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,680
roster situation FRANKLY that's.

1312
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:33,159
Speaker 1: What i think that's a, totally, Fair question right.

1313
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,119
Speaker 2: It's. A good question, it's it's interesting like where those

1314
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,079
the trade value lies there because it's so difficult to

1315
01:08:41,159 --> 01:08:45,520
gauge players who Are doing what george is doing on such,

1316
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,199
a BAD scene Like i don't.

1317
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:51,199
Speaker 1: And also the on off numbers. Are, not pretty no,

1318
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,079
but that's again is that a symptom of the situation

1319
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:58,319
or is it something that they. SHOULD READ into i

1320
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,960
i more so am incredibly encouraged by the. WAY he

1321
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:06,399
PLAYED i just i hate. Getting, into this well look

1322
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,680
at what he's gonna cost, after next season or you

1323
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,720
do you Want To pay quillante george fifteen to twenty

1324
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:15,600
percent of the salary cap if you don't know that

1325
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:18,159
you're going. TO be good i don't view him as

1326
01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:19,680
that type of a pillar that's just.

1327
01:09:19,720 --> 01:09:23,359
Speaker 2: Famous fifteen percent if it starts, at FIFTEEN percent and

1328
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:29,039
i have like a contract that, just stays flat so

1329
01:09:29,159 --> 01:09:33,520
the cap percentage goes, DOWN every year i wouldn't be against, it,

1330
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:35,479
fifteen percent.

1331
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: Right and that feels, that feels low right if he's,

1332
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,439
playing like this, no, or, yeah, yeah, No no.

1333
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:44,479
Speaker 2: No but like we've. Seen it before we have, seen

1334
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:49,039
you know shorter guards get a little shafted in terms of.

1335
01:09:49,119 --> 01:09:52,159
LIKE fair, FAIR i mean i know that he's got

1336
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:55,159
more on Ball, chops than, canton so obviously but.

1337
01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:57,359
Speaker 1: Maybe we should look at it. Through this perspective his

1338
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,279
max salary in an extension would and he's not getting it.

1339
01:10:01,319 --> 01:10:03,840
IF he does i have, lots, of questions right see

1340
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:09,159
forty four, point four million what? Is the number and

1341
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:11,079
we could put a percentage of the salary cap, to

1342
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:13,319
that season which right now is projected to be when

1343
01:10:13,319 --> 01:10:15,920
it kicks in one hundred and seventy seven point. SIX

1344
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,079
million dollars i think the dollar. Figure, helps contextualize okay

1345
01:10:20,119 --> 01:10:23,319
would he be willing to just take fifteen percent of,

1346
01:10:23,319 --> 01:10:26,960
the salary cap which Is That's like anthony simon's money twenty.

1347
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,600
SIX to six i probably Do, that from utah.

1348
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:33,119
Speaker 2: That is That Is actually spias harris money twenty, six

1349
01:10:33,279 --> 01:10:36,840
point six just saying he's not a, smaller guard though

1350
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,000
it's trying to, find a good good.

1351
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:41,760
Speaker 1: Com for, That that's yeah now thirty if, you go

1352
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:44,720
twenty that's thirty five. Point, five, million.

1353
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:52,119
Speaker 2: Yeah no that? FIFTEEN season one i what's twelve? Point?

1354
01:10:52,119 --> 01:10:55,920
Five percent then is that that? Seems MORE reasonable? What

1355
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,680
i mean maybe maybe that's just maybe it's just straight

1356
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:03,079
on one one hundred million over, four years straight, like twenty,

1357
01:11:03,079 --> 01:11:05,039
five twenty five twenty five. To twenty five so.

1358
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:08,119
Speaker 1: You're hovering a little, below, fifteen percent yeah of. The salary,

1359
01:11:08,119 --> 01:11:09,920
cap and look if he's going, TO sign THAT i

1360
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:13,800
guess i just the number sounds, like a lot but

1361
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,560
when you're contextualizing it, Against the percentages i'm wondering if

1362
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:19,359
he even signs a four for, one, Hundred, Extension.

1363
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,600
Speaker 2: Right, yeah see sir who do? You have next so,

1364
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:28,239
my last name my very Last Name. Is Mitster robinson

1365
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:34,199
so i'm, wondering because again like the expiring contract, of

1366
01:11:34,279 --> 01:11:37,239
it all like he's become pretty crucial when he's, on

1367
01:11:37,279 --> 01:11:40,720
the floor because he is their, primary interior, defender You

1368
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:47,199
know because towns is. JUST not that i think he's

1369
01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:50,239
had a really. GOOD year defensively i think the shot,

1370
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:52,520
selection as, always you know, around the rim that is

1371
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,000
such a huge opportunity for him and And for the.

1372
01:11:55,079 --> 01:11:58,479
Nakes at large he still. Blocks three pointers he's still

1373
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:03,239
one of those. VERSATILE athletic defenders i love what he

1374
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,760
does give You. On the knicks but is he going

1375
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:10,239
to look? Elsewhere this summer because, if He is the

1376
01:12:10,279 --> 01:12:12,479
knicks are not really in the position to go out and.

1377
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:16,560
Find a replacement so do you use that contract right

1378
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,960
now to go out and find someone on a longer

1379
01:12:20,079 --> 01:12:20,600
term deal?

1380
01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 1: IF you could i guess the problem is they. Don't

1381
01:12:24,800 --> 01:12:29,119
have value that's. A good name i would disagree strongly

1382
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,079
that he is still an athletic defender and has been good.

1383
01:12:32,079 --> 01:12:34,439
DEFENSIVELY this year i think he's starting to. Get better

1384
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,920
now but he was pretty inconsistent and rough. For a

1385
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,119
while if he's going to continue to shoot free throws

1386
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:41,760
the way he's been shooting in the, past few games

1387
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:46,960
then he's a. Lot, MORE valuable yeah i think what

1388
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,239
you run into WITH him that i don't think we

1389
01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:52,199
ran into with any of your other expiring contract guys

1390
01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:56,680
is this feels like a classic case of he's more

1391
01:12:56,760 --> 01:13:00,119
Valuable to the knicks than any team could comp and

1392
01:13:00,119 --> 01:13:02,800
say them, for right now because if, you trade him

1393
01:13:03,279 --> 01:13:06,560
who is the longer term solution that? You're going after

1394
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,800
People Have. SAID daniel Gafford I think daniel gafford's more

1395
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,000
likely to get played off the floor in certain playoff

1396
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:16,760
Matchups Than. A mitchell robinson and you're also You're fundamentally

1397
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,239
the knicks are so against certain teams just with the

1398
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:22,880
physicality you could still play with in, the offensive rebounding

1399
01:13:23,359 --> 01:13:26,079
you are kneecapping a huge part. OF your identity i

1400
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:29,479
share all your same concerns about what are you gonna

1401
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:32,159
pay this guy as the team, Gets MORE expensive but

1402
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:35,399
i also think that's kind of it could work to

1403
01:13:35,399 --> 01:13:37,960
your advantage, in free agency because who's the team that

1404
01:13:38,039 --> 01:13:40,239
wants to dedicate cap space to someone who probably can't

1405
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:42,760
play both heads of. Back to backs you're never really

1406
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,920
able to play him over twenty five. Minutes A game

1407
01:13:45,279 --> 01:13:48,000
the knicks have had him on this maintenance. Program all

1408
01:13:48,039 --> 01:13:52,119
season it's it's a. REALLY good name i just struggle

1409
01:13:52,199 --> 01:13:54,439
to find the team that should say and then what are?

1410
01:13:54,479 --> 01:13:57,560
You going after because, you said it you do need

1411
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,479
to get a big Man Just because gershon yabusel Has

1412
01:14:01,479 --> 01:14:04,840
been awful towns is not The Interior defender ariel hukporti's

1413
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:06,800
not there yet and who knows if he. Ever will

1414
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,600
be are you downgrading because you're getting someone who's on a.

1415
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,479
Longer term deal is there is someone going to come

1416
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,359
in and be as valuable to You Permanent? As mitchell

1417
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,720
robinson or are you making it from a he's cost

1418
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,680
controlled moving forward and we know that his availability is

1419
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,319
going to be a little bit. More, in check.

1420
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah there isn't like a one player who just, jumps,

1421
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:32,439
To mine right and that's that's the challenge, of it,

1422
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:36,560
all man like could?

1423
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:41,159
Speaker 1: You, DO something, Yeah i Guess Let's say mitchell Robinson

1424
01:14:42,399 --> 01:14:46,079
and pacom nattier For money the wizard's second round pick

1425
01:14:46,119 --> 01:14:49,880
this year? And next year Does that Get eves Me

1426
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,319
Si and Sadik Bay.

1427
01:14:52,119 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 2: From new orleans, IF it does i am pulling. THE

1428
01:14:58,039 --> 01:15:00,680
trigger immediately.

1429
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,279
Speaker 1: I THINK it's a i think it's a Conversation for

1430
01:15:02,319 --> 01:15:05,279
the Knicks Just but mitchell robinson is Way Better. Than

1431
01:15:05,319 --> 01:15:08,119
Eve's mecI but eves. Meci's so cheap he'll do some

1432
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:10,319
of the offensive rebounding. Stuff for sure, he's so young

1433
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:12,920
like he's going to. Improve as. Well like That that's

1434
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:16,800
why i'm baking that in. And so deep but because

1435
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:19,760
the other Problem with the knicks is they have we're

1436
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,760
getting into his reveering into territories where it's you're trying

1437
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,920
to upgrade a position that shouldn't actually be a, problem

1438
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,199
in theory and it's become problematic one because, or not

1439
01:15:29,319 --> 01:15:32,439
problematic but something to circle Because Of the gershon yaboucelli.

1440
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,039
Performance this year but they they could. USE another wing

1441
01:15:36,279 --> 01:15:38,520
i know everyone wants them to get another backup. Ball

1442
01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:41,000
handler too and if you Don't Believe, in tyler, kohlich

1443
01:15:41,039 --> 01:15:43,760
then yeah sure they need. That as well and so

1444
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,000
addressing a problem that really shouldn't be a problem? Is

1445
01:15:47,039 --> 01:15:49,119
also okay is this taking because if You're including the

1446
01:15:49,159 --> 01:15:52,079
Wizard's Pick with mitchell ROBINSON, to get x you're not addressing.

1447
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:54,399
The Other One so sadik bay would be he's not

1448
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:56,760
defensively what you want as, a bigger wing but it's six,

1449
01:15:56,800 --> 01:16:00,239
seven sixty eight. Can shoot threes THAT would be i think.

1450
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:02,520
IT'S a conversation i think it's more. OF a conversation

1451
01:16:02,920 --> 01:16:04,920
i don't think it's a no brainer. For either side

1452
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,520
my guess Would Be that new orleans would, probably say

1453
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,800
no just Because You, Have derek queen why Do You.

1454
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,279
Want mitchell robinson you're doing that deal because you believe

1455
01:16:12,319 --> 01:16:16,880
In What the washington wizard's sucking and what do You. Like,

1456
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,439
PACOM dottie, so i mean Of course the pelicans would be.

1457
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:22,800
Declining that deal they need, to send, out you know

1458
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,760
a first round or to get, the whole thing you

1459
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:29,079
attach something to. Make, it, work yeah, YEAH so yeah

1460
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:30,880
i do think you're right that. That's A deal the

1461
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,159
knicks are probably more likely to say yes To. Than

1462
01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:38,000
the PELICANS another name i would have for us, to

1463
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:38,439
con say.

1464
01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:40,159
Speaker 2: HOW spicy do i want? To be here give me

1465
01:16:40,199 --> 01:16:43,960
a level of nuclear between, one and ten absolutely. Top

1466
01:16:44,039 --> 01:16:47,439
level nuclear give me the hottest, Shit, You Have, Okay draymond,

1467
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,840
green oh okay? That is? NUCLEAR all right i.

1468
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,279
Speaker 1: Just If, you're the warriors AND it's not, i, think

1469
01:16:54,319 --> 01:16:56,119
that well. Maybe he does he probably does have more

1470
01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:59,119
Trade Value, than jonathan comenica even though he's over. A

1471
01:16:59,159 --> 01:17:02,960
decade older If, you're the, warriors and see if you

1472
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,560
sit Here as the, warriors and say we had, a

1473
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:07,600
great run we're just gonna be kind of sort of

1474
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,680
relevant and interesting and that's just. What we are we're not.

1475
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,000
Going all in but if your idea is to actually

1476
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:16,439
win Another, title with steph you have to have the

1477
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:18,479
conversation of is it time to Move On? From Draymond

1478
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:22,840
Green because, jonathan kaminga's money. He's more value he's to,

1479
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:24,720
me right now you Correct me. If i'm wrong there's,

1480
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:26,840
probably he's younger there's still some upside there and the

1481
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,079
team option flexibility for. His next team but also it's

1482
01:17:30,119 --> 01:17:33,399
a number that's like large enough that you can envision

1483
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:38,279
being able to keep. Him moving forward his value is predominantly.

1484
01:17:38,399 --> 01:17:41,239
From that flexibility, though, IT'S not Oh I need jonathan kamega.

1485
01:17:41,319 --> 01:17:43,680
ON my team i think he's, a building block so what?

1486
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,600
Can you do and also he's just not expensive enough

1487
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,720
to get you in the names for some of the

1488
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:50,560
hottest guys that, are out there and so If You

1489
01:17:50,560 --> 01:17:52,520
put draymond green, ON the table i don't know if

1490
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,159
he's bringing you back a. Ton of value maybe if

1491
01:17:54,199 --> 01:17:56,479
he's going to. A third team but now this opens

1492
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:00,960
up all sorts of different matching Opportunities To where Draymond

1493
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:04,399
green versus kaminga is just a difference or are you

1494
01:18:04,479 --> 01:18:06,960
attaching them together when you're looking at the money and

1495
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:10,760
then you're throwing like Your Picks a brandon pajemski, on

1496
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:15,119
The table but green's at twenty five nine And That's

1497
01:18:15,279 --> 01:18:18,439
with jonathan kaminga at twenty. Two to five so you're

1498
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:20,720
really looking at almost fifty million dollars in money that

1499
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:22,560
you're able to send, out that way plus whatever. Else

1500
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:26,720
you'd attach is that Worth Going me anthony davis route

1501
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:30,039
or just something like is that again it could be

1502
01:18:30,079 --> 01:18:32,319
a different player and there's just more teams and. Moving

1503
01:18:32,319 --> 01:18:35,000
parts Involved but If i'm The warriors and i'm serious

1504
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:38,840
about reopening my TITLE window because i think, IS currently

1505
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,239
constructed i don't even know that they have lightning in

1506
01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:43,359
a bottle potential once they get, To the postseason i'd.

1507
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,760
Argue probably not that's the move that you have to.

1508
01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:49,039
Start thinking about and it's not even so, much about

1509
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:51,920
well Look at what draymond could get us so much

1510
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,439
as well we need. More matching money and, at this

1511
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:59,760
point if you're consolidating into a Star, someone Like mo

1512
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:04,000
this moody might be more important to you just from

1513
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:08,319
a salary, and fit Perspective because with draymond there's a

1514
01:19:08,359 --> 01:19:10,880
lot of. The bigger thing because. THE money's fine i don't,

1515
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:14,840
mind the money. It's the fit the complications of, you're already,

1516
01:19:14,840 --> 01:19:16,680
wondering all right how many minutes can we get away

1517
01:19:16,680 --> 01:19:19,439
With Him and jimmy? Butler playing together and if you

1518
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,840
add in another non shooters that Have To be quentin

1519
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,479
post if you, want a five well it can it

1520
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,800
ever be like a Few Minutes? With al horford and

1521
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,520
if you're gonna go Out And get anthony davis, or

1522
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,680
another big if that Big Is not miles Turner Or,

1523
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:35,840
healthy christops porzingis those questions kind. Of, BECOME exacerbated.

1524
01:19:35,760 --> 01:19:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah i love your point that it's as a salary

1525
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,319
Piece and not raymond. IN enough itself i think that

1526
01:19:43,439 --> 01:19:49,279
is such. A Crucial difference. The davis thing Do we

1527
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,640
trust davis? In this situation do we trust that he

1528
01:19:52,960 --> 01:19:56,479
is going, to be healthy is going to? Be good

1529
01:19:56,560 --> 01:19:59,199
enough is going to turn them into, that title contender

1530
01:19:59,239 --> 01:20:02,039
to give them that life push that is. Going to

1531
01:20:02,079 --> 01:20:04,600
be my question also is do you have The backing

1532
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,199
of steph on this because that sue is, Going, to,

1533
01:20:07,279 --> 01:20:08,720
matter like well that's.

1534
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:10,560
Speaker 1: A first step i think it's, An EITHER or and

1535
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,000
i don't know if Maybe it's not davis then but

1536
01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:15,880
if they ever wanted to Get into the yaanna sweepstakes

1537
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:19,000
where they're throwing every pick pods, on the table You

1538
01:20:19,039 --> 01:20:22,279
Almost need Draymond Green or jimmy butler to go out

1539
01:20:22,319 --> 01:20:25,760
in that deal to make. The math work if they

1540
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:26,359
wanted to Get In On.

1541
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 2: Jaron, jackson, junior yeah yeah, You need both. YOU need, both,

1542
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,399
i Mean look the kuminga deal was always made with

1543
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:40,680
the mindset of. Getting moved, LATER that relationship i still

1544
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:45,319
presume has to. Be over right have we seen, Anything,

1545
01:20:45,399 --> 01:20:47,279
THAT is like i.

1546
01:20:47,239 --> 01:20:49,720
Speaker 1: Think the only reason that it wouldn't end as soon

1547
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:51,760
as he's eligible to be traded or at Least by

1548
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:55,159
the february, fifth trade deadline is that there's no, deal

1549
01:20:55,560 --> 01:20:57,840
out there more So than the warriors believe that this.

1550
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,640
Speaker 2: Could, be. Salvaged, Yeah exactly yeah and for. HIS sake

1551
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:03,960
TOO i think i think that chip is in. For both,

1552
01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:09,520
parties it's look. It's a gamble i'm not gonna sit

1553
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:11,039
here and say it's. Not a gamble and If, it's

1554
01:21:11,079 --> 01:21:14,840
For david like davis at least, THERE'S a vision i

1555
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:19,399
get it like that if He's healthy Alongside, steph and jimmy,

1556
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,800
OH my god i mean that that. Would be ridiculous

1557
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:25,760
you have like, the primary guard you have, the primary

1558
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:28,159
wing you have. The primary pig that's that's always like

1559
01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:35,920
a really strong. Starting point dream, you know, What, Screw

1560
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,520
it yeah i'm. Gonna do it i'm. Gonna do it

1561
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:41,479
what what what is the ultimate like? Or not ultimate

1562
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:44,880
do you attach? Something else here do you attach graft

1563
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:47,279
compensation or do you, just say no these, Are the

1564
01:21:47,279 --> 01:21:50,960
players like you're getting a younger player because cominga is

1565
01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:55,720
basically the value that You're getting for dallas, with.

1566
01:21:55,760 --> 01:21:57,399
Speaker 1: The caveat we know that there needs to be other

1567
01:21:57,479 --> 01:22:00,800
moving parts Because of Both Dallases and golden. States Salary

1568
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:06,239
situat because davis is at fifty, FOUR point One I

1569
01:22:06,279 --> 01:22:09,199
think golden state needs to be the. TEAM that, Said

1570
01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:10,840
i mean draymond only has a year left on his

1571
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:15,279
deal though he's a player option for next season at twenty. Seven,

1572
01:22:15,319 --> 01:22:17,760
to seven wow this that. CAME up quickly i feel

1573
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:22,119
like he just. SIGNED his extension I think the warriors

1574
01:22:22,119 --> 01:22:24,840
have to include there's at least a first round pick

1575
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,640
in there in addition to. Other. SALARY parts yeah i

1576
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:33,199
think that's. Pretty pretty clear and then they're PROBABLY hoping

1577
01:22:34,119 --> 01:22:37,039
are i don't know if You're, if you're Dallash You're

1578
01:22:37,039 --> 01:22:39,039
hoping draymond green declines his player option or are you

1579
01:22:39,079 --> 01:22:40,439
hoping he picks it up and then maybe you could

1580
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:42,359
reroute him for additional, value next season or are you're

1581
01:22:42,359 --> 01:22:45,359
trying to be good Top Draft Pick cooper, flag kyrie's Back.

1582
01:22:45,399 --> 01:22:49,159
You have draymond.

1583
01:22:49,359 --> 01:22:52,119
Speaker 2: It's A good like draymond would be a Nice. MENTOR for,

1584
01:22:52,239 --> 01:22:55,479
FLAG i mean i gotta. GIVE him that i, Part.

1585
01:22:55,279 --> 01:22:57,039
Speaker 1: Of me I'm wondering if i'm Overthinking this because i'm

1586
01:22:57,039 --> 01:23:00,000
getting a mayan More Hesitance from golden state's part because

1587
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:02,000
of something you mentioned where it's are you willing to

1588
01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:07,159
deal with the emotional fallout Right Of? Moving raymond green

1589
01:23:07,199 --> 01:23:09,439
and then The Payoff, is anthony davis who's just the

1590
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,199
mother of all question, marks as.

1591
01:23:11,079 --> 01:23:14,600
Speaker 2: Well right and that's probably the crux of the matter

1592
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,560
is that, THAT fan Base i swell steph is like

1593
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:22,319
they're gonna want someone who's more what's? The word safe

1594
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:24,039
is that a fair word?

1595
01:23:24,079 --> 01:23:26,359
Speaker 1: To use here but it's also just like who is

1596
01:23:26,399 --> 01:23:28,880
the Because, aside FROM giannis who i don't think either

1597
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:31,119
of us believes is truly gonna get traded this season

1598
01:23:31,159 --> 01:23:33,199
unless he finally. Asked for it rather than saying his

1599
01:23:33,279 --> 01:23:37,399
agents are going rogue apparently since that's something that, agents definitely.

1600
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:41,399
Do they don't that was sarcasm for anyone who, cannot

1601
01:23:41,399 --> 01:23:44,239
detect it like Who is the like what are?

1602
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 2: You hoping?

1603
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:48,119
Speaker 1: For is it and what are you waiting for? Your

1604
01:23:48,119 --> 01:23:50,640
Offers For as golden state could probably get more attractive,

1605
01:23:51,159 --> 01:23:53,000
in the offseason but who? Is the name If it's

1606
01:23:53,000 --> 01:23:56,600
not yannis That You're waiting anthony Davis is Probably We

1607
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:59,760
Mentioned jared, jackson Junior AGAIN but i'm i don't see

1608
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:03,039
like the other because we Could Talk, about trey murphy

1609
01:24:03,079 --> 01:24:05,199
we Could Talk, about derek white but The issue THAT

1610
01:24:05,239 --> 01:24:09,239
grant and i RAN into is i don't know what's

1611
01:24:09,319 --> 01:24:12,159
more Likely That a Derek White or Trey Murphy turns

1612
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:14,399
golden state, into a contender or you catch lightning at

1613
01:24:14,399 --> 01:24:16,840
A Bottle with anthony davis and he turns you in

1614
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:22,079
or get you back. TO title contention i Think it's the, davis, outcome, still.

1615
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,399
Speaker 2: YEAH yeah no i. Agree with that do you think

1616
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,199
there's a lesser deal to be made that could get

1617
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:33,600
them back into sort of, That that mindset like this

1618
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,840
is just off the top of my head because that

1619
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,279
this was just something that was a framework that was discussed,

1620
01:24:38,279 --> 01:24:41,760
over the Summer like A kuminga. For Vooch deal like vouch,

1621
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,880
obviously is, older he's, not you know as good as you,

1622
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,119
used to be but he's. A floor spacer he can

1623
01:24:49,159 --> 01:24:52,319
pass from the High post like horford, Seems done right

1624
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,399
like when he's playing that that just does not look

1625
01:24:55,439 --> 01:25:02,199
Great at least vooch. Is productive efficient is? That so anything.

1626
01:25:02,159 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 1: If they want to make a move like that and

1627
01:25:05,119 --> 01:25:07,119
just they want to be Washed of the, JONATHAN cominga

1628
01:25:07,159 --> 01:25:10,279
situation i. Totally understand it but that's not.

1629
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 2: Watching, this team.

1630
01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,079
Speaker 1: YEAH that's just i was. Gonna ask you i'll. Pose

1631
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:18,239
this question do You Think that Derek White, or trey

1632
01:25:18,319 --> 01:25:20,520
murphy if they were in theory able to trade for

1633
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,640
them even does it because if the answer is, no

1634
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:23,800
for them the answer IS.

1635
01:25:23,800 --> 01:25:27,159
Speaker 2: No, for fooj yeah, You're you're. Right You're Right, LIKE

1636
01:25:27,319 --> 01:25:30,000
trey murphy i think could. MOVE the needle.

1637
01:25:32,039 --> 01:25:33,560
Speaker 1: I think he, Moves THE needle but i find do

1638
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:37,840
you think that he brings enough? Alternative on ball that's

1639
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:40,000
still the struggle with their Winning The minute jimmy Butler

1640
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,279
plays without steph but it is not because of their.

1641
01:25:42,319 --> 01:25:45,520
Offense AT all and.

1642
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:48,560
Speaker 2: I Don't you think tray? Has? GOTTEN better.

1643
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,640
Speaker 1: Oh i do i'm just wondering is it ENOUGH because

1644
01:25:51,640 --> 01:25:55,359
he's i think you could argue the package you need

1645
01:25:55,399 --> 01:25:58,199
to give Up To. Get anthony davis it's going to be,

1646
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:02,880
less on balance more, salary for sure but you're gonna

1647
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:06,800
have to include at least two first Round picks for.

1648
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:09,880
Tramer AT least and i would probably say over to

1649
01:26:10,039 --> 01:26:11,399
take the over if we set it at two.

1650
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 2: And, a, half, Okay yeah yeah so you're basically saying

1651
01:26:15,039 --> 01:26:17,439
we get the, higher upside, guy you know basically the

1652
01:26:17,479 --> 01:26:21,800
guy who is better at a. Cheaper price point but

1653
01:26:22,239 --> 01:26:26,479
obviously we'd attack on the risk of, him not playing

1654
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,279
which is the entire right would.

1655
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:31,159
Speaker 1: TRADING for Him i think i'd almost be more intrigued

1656
01:26:31,239 --> 01:26:32,880
just because of. THE pick equity i think if You

1657
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:35,640
Could get derek white for two first round picks versus

1658
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:37,279
what it's going to Take To, GET trey murphy i

1659
01:26:37,279 --> 01:26:39,920
think that intrigues Me More, as golden state where do you?

1660
01:26:39,960 --> 01:26:40,279
Land on?

1661
01:26:40,319 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 2: That you KNOW so He's I. LIKE derek white i

1662
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:51,399
think given the three point identififier, that they've gotten or

1663
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,920
the shot volume that he's gotten From, three in boston

1664
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,920
because of their insane focus, on that shot insane in,

1665
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:01,960
a good way that would just make him such a

1666
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:04,760
Smooth Fit. In golden state like he can, play on,

1667
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,199
ball off ball you can have him guard. ONE through

1668
01:27:08,359 --> 01:27:11,119
three i want to say the defense alone is. Gonna

1669
01:27:11,119 --> 01:27:12,760
lift you he Can, play with jimmy he Can. Play

1670
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:18,560
with steph the. Versatility THERE'S great am i wrong for

1671
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,039
thinking they still need to solve something? Big?

1672
01:27:21,079 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: BAN wise yeah i THINK there's a i think there's

1673
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:25,560
a whole bunch of stuff they need. TO solve now

1674
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:27,479
i think also if your argument is that when you

1675
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:30,159
look at kind of the players, who Are Emerging Will Will,

1676
01:27:30,279 --> 01:27:32,840
richard pat spence they're all. On the perimeter, SO for

1677
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,439
sure i think you could. Make that case but the

1678
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,760
Names aside from davis who, are OUT there then I

1679
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,159
Don't think chris tops you. Need SOMEONE more if i

1680
01:27:40,199 --> 01:27:43,039
want to, Bet on Reliability i'm taking davis eleven times. Out,

1681
01:27:43,079 --> 01:27:45,760
OF ten. Yeah i see and The other thing i've

1682
01:27:45,800 --> 01:27:48,960
Run into is i've seen Some People suggest nick claxton

1683
01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:52,520
defensively a monster has shown them some of the passing

1684
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,479
this year has. Popped With Him has golden state ever

1685
01:27:55,600 --> 01:28:01,159
made a big man like that? Work for them have

1686
01:28:01,239 --> 01:28:01,720
they had?

1687
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:03,840
Speaker 2: Someone, Like Him well.

1688
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:07,600
Speaker 1: James, Wiseman Flames out even jonathan kaminga someone who is

1689
01:28:08,319 --> 01:28:14,279
not the intuitive like motion. Type, of guy defensively he's

1690
01:28:14,319 --> 01:28:16,960
just there's No Questions. About nick claxton it feels like

1691
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:19,680
they're Only able to they need decision making bigs or

1692
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,119
kind of a floor spacing big Like That's why quinton

1693
01:28:22,159 --> 01:28:25,159
post can work. Out for them at least that's what

1694
01:28:25,199 --> 01:28:28,239
they seem To. Prefer under kerr and we've yet LIKE

1695
01:28:28,319 --> 01:28:30,039
even Just I know jonathan kamenka is not a big

1696
01:28:30,079 --> 01:28:32,279
but it's some of the, same mindset too to where

1697
01:28:32,319 --> 01:28:34,960
he doesn't fit the core Tenants Of what golden. State

1698
01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,640
stands for and if he wasn't able to evolve into

1699
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:39,960
a fit he. Just Hasn't worked and i'm not saying

1700
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,039
he was Good Enough for golden state, to adapt around

1701
01:28:42,079 --> 01:28:43,399
but it's Just the question i've had in the back.

1702
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 2: Of, my mind yeah that's. A good question i Think Highly.

1703
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:51,920
OF nick claxton i think his his on court intelligence

1704
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,800
is at that level where he will. Find A way

1705
01:28:55,479 --> 01:28:58,199
but i understand, what you're saying like they need to

1706
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:01,920
find someone who is a fit. For this system everything

1707
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:05,159
Is sailed around steph. More, or less like if there's

1708
01:29:05,359 --> 01:29:10,720
any concern whatsoever that this player would be a poor Fit,

1709
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,079
next to steph you immediately cross that name off the

1710
01:29:14,119 --> 01:29:19,279
list and. Go Moving on snick laxton? On that list

1711
01:29:19,399 --> 01:29:21,000
is he being? Crossed off there.

1712
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,319
Speaker 1: If it's just costing you, kaminga, AND salary right i probably. Roll.

1713
01:29:26,359 --> 01:29:29,680
The dice yeah the other name that's Been Bandied. About

1714
01:29:30,279 --> 01:29:31,399
miles turner.

1715
01:29:33,079 --> 01:29:36,119
Speaker 2: He can shoot and he can. Defend the rim he's not,

1716
01:29:36,199 --> 01:29:40,920
a great rebounder but like who is. On that scene,

1717
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:46,479
Really he's big he's got a little bit of a mid,

1718
01:29:46,600 --> 01:29:50,560
range game two so you. CAN'T step out i. Wouldn't

1719
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:53,560
hate that what's what's what was the deal He? Signed

1720
01:29:53,560 --> 01:29:56,720
in milwaukee was that like. At twenty seven.

1721
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: He's also the three point he's at thirty seven point

1722
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,119
eight per said it from three all the seasons. That's

1723
01:30:02,119 --> 01:30:04,000
come up he's not shooting as well in his. PAST

1724
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:06,159
whatever games i think he's subbed thirty three.

1725
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:08,239
Speaker 2: Three.

1726
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,079
Speaker 1: Million, this year Yeah, so, It's jonathan like i'm not

1727
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:13,199
giving up a pick for him. At This Point. It's

1728
01:30:13,279 --> 01:30:17,720
jonathan cominga and and to be, to be Fair why

1729
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:20,920
is milwaukee doing would you give Up A pick jonathan

1730
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:24,279
camega a pick and a small Salary To get Miles Turner?

1731
01:30:24,359 --> 01:30:29,000
Is golden state, and THEN also can i, ask another

1732
01:30:29,079 --> 01:30:31,720
question if you're gonna, do that now why didn't you

1733
01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:33,680
do it four years ago when you were First Link.

1734
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,640
To miles turner we're gonna wait until he's more expensive

1735
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:39,479
and probably, not as good and now we're gonna get

1736
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:40,039
up right now.

1737
01:30:40,079 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 2: We're, getting it, Yeah that's fair. THAT is, fair i

1738
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:46,399
Mean if it's Kuminga, going to milwaukee at least that's somewhat.

1739
01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:48,960
Interesting to me because. You get younger are you.

1740
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: Selling that to yannis or is it now you're, saying

1741
01:30:51,039 --> 01:30:54,279
it's yeah, we got, younger more Athletic and now jannis.

1742
01:30:54,319 --> 01:30:55,960
You're OUR center.

1743
01:30:56,640 --> 01:30:59,439
Speaker 2: Oh i forgot that we have. To, SELL everything no.

1744
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:07,279
I hear you. THAT makes sense i mean you do

1745
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:10,479
get like an additional scorer and someone who's acts, around

1746
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:13,319
the rim someone who puts pressure, on the Defense like

1747
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:18,359
is giannest smart enough. TO see that i don't know

1748
01:31:18,479 --> 01:31:20,239
the answer. TO that question i don't know if he

1749
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:24,560
if he prefers like the older veterans that he've always

1750
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:26,720
been accustomed, to being around And He's.

1751
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:29,119
Speaker 1: Maybe jericho sims is, his best Friend And getting jericho

1752
01:31:29,119 --> 01:31:33,279
sims more playing time will be, the, Tipping, point right.

1753
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:38,359
Speaker 2: God THAT'S depressive well, I would yeah i would Probably

1754
01:31:38,399 --> 01:31:42,600
Go the miles Turner Round If, i'm GOLDEN state but i.

1755
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,039
WOULDN'T love, it i yeah.

1756
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 1: Two more bigs that's. BRING him mind i was actually

1757
01:31:46,439 --> 01:31:48,479
gonna name check him, as a candidate but we'll just talk.

1758
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:53,079
About him here, but nas reed you could get there's

1759
01:31:53,079 --> 01:31:55,079
probably a, third team involved but you can, give up

1760
01:31:55,119 --> 01:31:58,039
picks And that allows minnesota to do other things that

1761
01:31:58,039 --> 01:31:59,279
they can't do right now because they.

1762
01:31:59,279 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 2: Don't have picks love, the offensive fit not sure about. The?

1763
01:32:03,800 --> 01:32:07,079
Defensive fit whatsoever? DOES it matter. I don't know I.

1764
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: Think If draymond and jimmy are staying as.

1765
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 2: Part, of, that, yeah yeah yeah If that's, The kuminga

1766
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:17,079
trade i'm. Open to that i'm open to It like

1767
01:32:17,079 --> 01:32:18,079
A kamenka nas re.

1768
01:32:18,239 --> 01:32:22,079
Speaker 1: Swap YOU need like I don't Like kaminga and minnesota,

1769
01:32:22,079 --> 01:32:23,439
at all Though and so i'm Doing It if I'm

1770
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:27,239
Minnesota because golden state's, giving me Picks and then, i'm

1771
01:32:27,279 --> 01:32:30,560
sending like who's the Team that wants kaminga enough that

1772
01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:33,560
is get because if you're what? If, you're getting okay.

1773
01:32:33,840 --> 01:32:39,199
Here We Go so jonathan Kminga goes to Chicago and

1774
01:32:39,239 --> 01:32:41,239
then i'm assuming a pick would, go there Too and

1775
01:32:41,239 --> 01:32:46,800
then Chicago Is sending Kobe white to minnesota. PLUS other,

1776
01:32:47,359 --> 01:32:49,359
stuff i mean or you could you game it so

1777
01:32:49,359 --> 01:32:51,560
that you're also don't Do you want Boochs? Backing up gobert,

1778
01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:54,079
you probably don't but you could get like You could

1779
01:32:54,119 --> 01:32:56,520
get ioh as part Of You get jaylen smith as part.

1780
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,680
Of that, DEAL. I'm sure Mh.

1781
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 2: So what chicago Ends up WITH kuminga.

1782
01:33:03,640 --> 01:33:06,000
Speaker 1: And I Think so, From minnesota's PERSPECTIVE i'm, basically i

1783
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:07,920
Mean we're the bulls will do whatever we. TELL them

1784
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:12,479
too i feel like it's so Team if you're minnesota

1785
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:15,239
and you're Giving up nas reed and the Primary Return,

1786
01:33:15,359 --> 01:33:18,119
is kobe white plus we need to fill. That in

1787
01:33:18,840 --> 01:33:23,359
now is that? Enough for you looking to you need.

1788
01:33:23,399 --> 01:33:28,359
More than that they so desperately. Need another, GUARD so

1789
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:32,039
yeah i would. DO that, absolutely, I would yes and

1790
01:33:32,279 --> 01:33:34,960
you could probably have your pick then of Just like the,

1791
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,560
bulls is expiring so you might If you Want Io

1792
01:33:38,199 --> 01:33:40,279
And dora tray jones as, part of that you could

1793
01:33:40,279 --> 01:33:41,520
throw that in, there as well.

1794
01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:45,479
Speaker 2: If you get more Guard heavy in minnesota and you

1795
01:33:45,680 --> 01:33:47,640
stand a chance of resetting some of those guys in

1796
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:51,479
the summer using the money that you got off Of the. Nos,

1797
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:52,479
read stuff.

1798
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 1: Yeah my primary knock would be you really need an

1799
01:33:56,760 --> 01:34:00,560
Air Apparent. To rudy gobert but my counter That Would

1800
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:03,119
be johan berenjay is going To be A. Hall of

1801
01:34:03,119 --> 01:34:05,600
famer but my actual counter, TO that is i think

1802
01:34:05,640 --> 01:34:07,600
you're still running into the same issue Even if nos

1803
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:10,479
reed IS on your I love nas reed AND this isn't.

1804
01:34:10,720 --> 01:34:13,720
I hate suggesting i. Know his sister that was so

1805
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:15,439
tragic over. The off seas i'm just looking at this

1806
01:34:15,479 --> 01:34:19,359
from a. Basketball financial perspective. It's nothing more i'm not

1807
01:34:19,399 --> 01:34:22,840
trying to crap ON and he's i just. DON'T think

1808
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:26,239
defensively i don't views as an air apparent at, the

1809
01:34:26,279 --> 01:34:29,279
center position and, IF you Do i think minnesota needs

1810
01:34:29,279 --> 01:34:32,000
to change the context of what's in FRONT of him

1811
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:35,039
a Great deal like, jadeen and sure but you need

1812
01:34:35,079 --> 01:34:36,760
to build out the image of your team at those.

1813
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:38,680
Other two Spots if nas reed is going to, be,

1814
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:40,520
YOUR five yeah i.

1815
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:42,880
Speaker 2: AGREE with that i have some other.

1816
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,039
Speaker 1: Names if you will want to, get To them but

1817
01:34:45,119 --> 01:34:47,520
i'm going to need. Levels, of nuclear again you just

1818
01:34:47,560 --> 01:34:52,439
said as, nuclear as, POSSIBLE so well i DON'T know

1819
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,479
if i have anybody. Who's that, NUCLEAR let's, say, i

1820
01:34:55,520 --> 01:35:00,880
guess well this Is, Semi nuclear Okay Toronto with Emmanuel Quickly.

1821
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,319
AND yaka purdle i think that the name that's been

1822
01:35:04,319 --> 01:35:05,880
mentioned the most is a trade candidate FOR.

1823
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:06,079
Speaker 2: Them.

1824
01:35:06,119 --> 01:35:09,840
Speaker 1: Is rj barrett and is it a coincidence that they STARTED.

1825
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,119
Sucking once rj? BARRETT got injured i. Honestly don't know

1826
01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:14,159
that's Not the perspective i'm coming. At this from but

1827
01:35:16,039 --> 01:35:20,279
if you're looking to upgrade the, big man rotation can

1828
01:35:20,319 --> 01:35:23,199
you feasibly do That And, keep yakka pearle who's now

1829
01:35:23,239 --> 01:35:25,279
dealing with, a back injury you go out and get,

1830
01:35:25,279 --> 01:35:28,119
a backup big but just how meaningful? Does it be

1831
01:35:28,159 --> 01:35:30,800
and if you want to, SWING even higher i think

1832
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,680
YOU could still i know fans aren't feeling good, about

1833
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:35,800
THAT contract but i think you could Still Argue that

1834
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:38,680
emmanuel quickly is still maybe more important to. Making everything

1835
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:41,720
Work and SO i'm just i Don't know what toronto's

1836
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:43,920
gonna do, with the deadline because they're also within eight

1837
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,359
hundred thousand dollars, OF the attacks i could see them ducking.

1838
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:50,960
It as well i'm. Just so fascinated and also they

1839
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:53,119
have a LOT of guys i like who aren't what

1840
01:35:53,159 --> 01:35:55,439
you would, Consider CORE members but i, find, myself wondering

1841
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:58,159
oh are they actually deep enough if they're trying to

1842
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:01,279
be this. Serious playoff team so those were just the

1843
01:36:01,279 --> 01:36:02,840
two Names, where it's okay we know they're Not, gonna

1844
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,840
move scotti we know they're Not. Gonna move ingram EVERYONE'S. Talking, about,

1845
01:36:05,960 --> 01:36:09,159
Rj barrett, right but like is? There a name they've

1846
01:36:09,159 --> 01:36:11,239
Been Linked to anthony davis, a little bit they've Been.

1847
01:36:11,279 --> 01:36:14,600
Linked to sabonis does that get you Thinking about moving

1848
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,239
yakapurtol almost has to be Part Of any, anthony DAVIS

1849
01:36:17,279 --> 01:36:19,319
trade so i would Say. Ditto for sabonis but do

1850
01:36:19,359 --> 01:36:21,119
any of the names that have been linked to get

1851
01:36:21,119 --> 01:36:24,159
you to think about moving one of? These? Two guys.

1852
01:36:25,359 --> 01:36:27,279
Speaker 2: Uh? One, of them yes. Two of.

1853
01:36:27,319 --> 01:36:29,279
Speaker 1: THEM PROBABLY not i i didn't mean at, THE same

1854
01:36:29,279 --> 01:36:29,920
time i just met.

1855
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:33,840
Speaker 2: It, in general, Yeah like quickly i'm not really keen

1856
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:36,640
ON trading unless i get like a primary, playmaker pack

1857
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:40,680
honestly because who is going to take that responsibility full

1858
01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:42,680
time if you ship him out for like a Pig

1859
01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:48,800
man that i'm not Insanely, Enthusiastic ABOUT pearle like i

1860
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,920
just wonder what the hell his trade value is because

1861
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:55,039
of the extension that's gonna kick in, In, twenty seven like

1862
01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:58,000
that's a lot of money coming in suddenly on the,

1863
01:36:58,039 --> 01:37:00,520
Books as well like he is locked in for four years.

1864
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,960
After this year is he thirty already or he's about,

1865
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:08,239
To turn thirty so you're basically going to pay him

1866
01:37:08,279 --> 01:37:12,239
a shit ton of cash when he's. STARTING to decline

1867
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:17,399
i would assume that makes him not that interesting on.

1868
01:37:17,439 --> 01:37:22,279
The trade MARKET or am i? BEING too Harsh i.

1869
01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:24,479
Speaker 1: Don't if you put yaka pertl on the block, IN

1870
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:27,960
a vacuum i don't know that there would be a

1871
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:31,880
TON of interest i think as a movable contracts as

1872
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:36,880
part of a bigger deal that he. Is, EVIDENTLY relocatable

1873
01:37:39,199 --> 01:37:42,039
okay i would share your safe concerns about trading a

1874
01:37:42,079 --> 01:37:44,479
guard to go for a big even If you trust

1875
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,079
Scottie and brandon ingram to set up a ton. Of

1876
01:37:47,079 --> 01:37:50,800
your Offense They like emmanuel quickly is still just the

1877
01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:55,800
guy who is leading this, team in assists so that.

1878
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,279
That CERTAINLY matters and i so that's a good point

1879
01:37:58,319 --> 01:38:01,880
about IF you, can't I mean maybe dallas would be

1880
01:38:01,920 --> 01:38:03,960
More interested, in quickly though if They Were, moving anthony

1881
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,159
davis that would be. Something to consider and perhaps you

1882
01:38:07,279 --> 01:38:10,159
just view it, as all right he's six point four.

1883
01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:12,840
Assist per Game look what jamal shed can do. On

1884
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:14,800
his drives And we have scotti And were brandon ingram

1885
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:19,119
And if j barrett is, healthy And so but toronto

1886
01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:22,479
fascinates Me. Like SOMETIMES morbithy so i don't KNOW what

1887
01:38:22,600 --> 01:38:25,159
they i don't know what they. SHOULD be doing i

1888
01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:27,439
get the need because they want some extra heft and

1889
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:30,039
more Of A River. Dendron anthony davis there would be.

1890
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,399
That'd be fun it's just what are You giving it's

1891
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:36,359
yaka pertl and who else is? The matching Salaries, IT'S him.

1892
01:38:36,439 --> 01:38:39,640
Barrett i guess and then what's the young piece are?

1893
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:41,800
You Giving up jacoby walter who's been very important to?

1894
01:38:41,840 --> 01:38:43,960
Them this year how many picks are? You Including his

1895
01:38:44,039 --> 01:38:47,159
calinmary boyles on the table, in that scenario we BOTH. Love.

1896
01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:52,279
Speaker 2: Some cmb yeah would he Make sense in Dallas Thanks

1897
01:38:52,319 --> 01:38:54,079
TO cooper flag i think there's a lot of overlap

1898
01:38:54,079 --> 01:38:55,039
Between Those, Two.

1899
01:38:56,079 --> 01:38:58,600
Speaker 1: Calm, Mariy but well i'm just as, a value Perspective,

1900
01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:04,039
if you're dallas you're just trying to Get everything MET toronto, HAS.

1901
01:39:03,640 --> 01:39:06,640
Speaker 2: I mean i would Definitely Go the peartal barrett route

1902
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:09,720
as opposed To like quickly Perle route if i'm GOING,

1903
01:39:09,720 --> 01:39:12,000
for A d because i would kind of want TO

1904
01:39:12,079 --> 01:39:16,239
pair a. D with quickly i, MEAN that's.

1905
01:39:16,399 --> 01:39:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, i, agree yeah yeah unless you're thinking are we

1906
01:39:19,039 --> 01:39:21,199
going out? And getting another but then you're talking about, other,

1907
01:39:21,279 --> 01:39:22,199
Moving parts.

1908
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:26,199
Speaker 2: RIGHT and like I respect what jamal she can do

1909
01:39:26,560 --> 01:39:31,119
as just in terms of. Like a playmaker the efficiency

1910
01:39:31,359 --> 01:39:34,239
is not where it needs to be at. This current

1911
01:39:34,239 --> 01:39:34,800
point he is.

1912
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:37,560
Speaker 1: A DEFENSIVE maniac though i appreciate that she is.

1913
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:41,520
Speaker 2: Like HE'S there am i wrong in saying there's like

1914
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,680
A Smidge over sean rondo in, him at times like,

1915
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,199
just the, defense the playmaking. But the.

1916
01:39:47,239 --> 01:39:51,960
Speaker 1: Offense that's interesting he JUST find he I feel like

1917
01:39:52,279 --> 01:39:53,960
i can't see it because he plays at such a

1918
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:54,760
Different cadence.

1919
01:39:55,079 --> 01:39:58,520
Speaker 2: Than, rondo, Did, Yeah right no i'm, not saying aesthetically

1920
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,319
but just in terms of like, Strengths of weaknesses like

1921
01:40:02,159 --> 01:40:07,880
there there isn't this uh. SORT of identity i want

1922
01:40:07,880 --> 01:40:10,079
to say in, his scoring game he.

1923
01:40:10,039 --> 01:40:14,319
Speaker 1: Almost feels, more identity. Wise not esthetically what that clear

1924
01:40:15,159 --> 01:40:17,319
Almost Feels more kyle lowry. Esque to me.

1925
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:19,760
Speaker 2: Oh, That's Interesting okay.

1926
01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:22,640
Speaker 1: Kyle lowry was always, a better shooter but remember for

1927
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:24,960
so long the knock on him was he wasn't, efficient, enough,

1928
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:26,920
Either right yea and.

1929
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,600
Speaker 2: Then something he just became a Knocked DOWN an.

1930
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:31,039
Speaker 1: All, nba player man what a career.

1931
01:40:31,800 --> 01:40:34,720
Speaker 2: That would be that would be. A wild story does

1932
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,079
do you like them as any of the other bigs

1933
01:40:37,079 --> 01:40:39,600
That have been are They a? Good? Claxton Team good

1934
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:41,319
so bonus is out now for another four, to FIVE

1935
01:40:41,359 --> 01:40:43,560
weeks so i don't know what, that WOULD do but

1936
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:45,319
i wouldn't see. THE thing is i wouldn't even like

1937
01:40:45,359 --> 01:40:48,439
the BONUS there because i do, think they, need you.

1938
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:50,880
KNOW room, defense, i yeah.

1939
01:40:52,039 --> 01:40:54,479
Speaker 1: Yeah he would he would honestly make more sense if

1940
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:57,199
you were trading quickly because he you, now, you know

1941
01:40:57,279 --> 01:40:59,560
okay we have guys that can just. Run our offense but.

1942
01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:02,359
That's not right, you're, getting bigger, earlier more physical but

1943
01:41:02,399 --> 01:41:05,279
you're not. Solving or not you're not adding defensively where

1944
01:41:05,279 --> 01:41:09,439
you want to head. For Sure, Exactly nick claxton that's

1945
01:41:10,279 --> 01:41:14,159
it feels like he fits. The raptor's motif? Are you here, here's,

1946
01:41:14,199 --> 01:41:16,000
the conundrum though who do? You give Up In a

1947
01:41:16,079 --> 01:41:18,119
Nick Klapen like anthony david's is easier, to, just say

1948
01:41:18,119 --> 01:41:21,039
well we. Have To consolidate nick claxton's the guy who's

1949
01:41:21,079 --> 01:41:24,199
on the borderline of are you just trying To? Upgrade

1950
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:27,159
from peerle Do you view claxton? As that upgrade are

1951
01:41:27,159 --> 01:41:30,720
you now moving other salaries because now you're do YOU.

1952
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 2: GO.

1953
01:41:31,039 --> 01:41:33,319
Speaker 1: With r j barrett as part of A Construction? For

1954
01:41:33,399 --> 01:41:34,439
Nick claxton.

1955
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:41,039
Speaker 2: So peerdle is earning about? Six million less So Is? That,

1956
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:42,680
AKBASHIAN pearle.

1957
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:46,399
Speaker 1: Yeah i mean you, could DO that and i don't

1958
01:41:46,399 --> 01:41:49,479
Know if you're brooklyn probably, wants SOMETHING else ak bohi

1959
01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:49,880
is gonna be.

1960
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:53,640
Speaker 2: Restricted free agent You know what brooklyn's gonna. Ask for

1961
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:58,079
it they're gonna Say Peerl. And columbar. Boils, You, Can't

1962
01:41:58,159 --> 01:42:00,680
no yeah I'm not. Trading Calbary boils no. I'm not

1963
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:02,840
either i'm saying that's what they're gonna ask for. For,

1964
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:08,600
damn sure yeah but like Can, THEY find well i think.

1965
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:12,239
Speaker 1: They could FIND i'm just i. Think fear conceptually do

1966
01:42:12,279 --> 01:42:14,800
you would you prefer as to Rontal To have nick Claxton,

1967
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:17,199
Over yaka PEERDLE oh.

1968
01:42:17,279 --> 01:42:20,079
Speaker 2: Yeah i would, he's more versatile he's a. Little bit

1969
01:42:20,119 --> 01:42:22,239
younger if it's the timeline a, LITTLE bit better i

1970
01:42:22,840 --> 01:42:27,520
think his his contract. ALSO is better i just think

1971
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:31,560
there's there are four more Benefits to to claxton than.

1972
01:42:31,920 --> 01:42:32,760
At this point AND.

1973
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:37,399
Speaker 1: The thing I worry about I've always been i've never

1974
01:42:37,439 --> 01:42:39,960
been the. Biggest peardle guy but what's interesting ABOUT him

1975
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:42,800
is i recognize his Value. To the raptors he's going

1976
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:45,399
to be the better screener YOU could and i just

1977
01:42:45,439 --> 01:42:47,920
think if you DON'T have the a plus passer, on

1978
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:51,479
your team which they, still would not what he does

1979
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:53,520
even what he can do at points, as a passer

1980
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:56,279
but because, of his screening because of his smarts on,

1981
01:42:56,359 --> 01:42:59,640
the short roll you're not going to get that Same,

1982
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,640
stuff from claxton and. SO are. You i don't are

1983
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,359
you creating one problem by attempting to address and You're

1984
01:43:06,359 --> 01:43:10,479
Also not nick claxton's not way More Physical. Than yako

1985
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:14,199
pertle that's not something you're adding. With him either he's

1986
01:43:14,239 --> 01:43:16,039
he has more of A spindly built he could defend

1987
01:43:16,079 --> 01:43:17,479
on the, perimeter way better.

1988
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:23,000
Speaker 2: That's, for, sure, yeah yeah, No for sure i'm. Going

1989
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:25,159
that route is, there anyone else like in, terms OF

1990
01:43:25,239 --> 01:43:27,680
like because i was sitting here thinking about rim running

1991
01:43:27,720 --> 01:43:33,199
defenders because you were talking, about like that that kind

1992
01:43:33,239 --> 01:43:37,680
of seems like. THAT'S the, RAPTORSMO i agree. I, was

1993
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:40,600
wondering again it depends on whether you trust him. To

1994
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:43,760
stay healthy Like there's the Ministerian Place, in New York,

1995
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:47,079
but mitchell robinson is that something for for? The raptors

1996
01:43:47,119 --> 01:43:51,039
instead but like that's. What's, the trade yeah and also

1997
01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:56,399
it's probably like in a, Backup capacity TOO so that's i.

1998
01:43:56,399 --> 01:44:00,319
Speaker 1: Think that's. Fine that's fine but if they heading to

1999
01:44:00,359 --> 01:44:02,439
the money is tough for them because he's, at thirteen

2000
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:06,800
million and they have like their salary distribution is just

2001
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:08,479
like they have a bunch of guys, in the thirties

2002
01:44:08,520 --> 01:44:11,199
three guys, IN the thirties rj at, twenty seven seven

2003
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:14,199
And then it's purl, at nineteen five and then the

2004
01:44:14,279 --> 01:44:17,119
drop Off is the bagie at. Six, y four yeah it.

2005
01:44:17,119 --> 01:44:22,159
Speaker 2: Drops off, like a rock further underlining the need To

2006
01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:23,840
have those mitsier contracts.

2007
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:27,279
Speaker 1: On your books so You're Defending the zeke, nagy deal again.

2008
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:28,000
Good on you.

2009
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 2: Is that a? Mid? Sized, deal yeah, no, That's tough

2010
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:37,000
right like you can't get the money works.

2011
01:44:37,239 --> 01:44:39,399
Speaker 1: On that one it would probably take like a Third

2012
01:44:39,439 --> 01:44:42,960
team where toronto Is sending out barrett or just a. More,

2013
01:44:43,000 --> 01:44:44,399
expensive player god.

2014
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:47,000
Speaker 2: THAT'S probably, gonna i mean that's even if they do

2015
01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:51,399
succeed in like Some variation. Of perdle plus let's Just

2016
01:44:51,399 --> 01:44:54,680
say a baji and Then you get, claxon In there

2017
01:44:55,399 --> 01:44:59,000
then barnes, at Forty eight brandon, ingram Forty eight manual,

2018
01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:03,840
quickly forty two bear it, for twenty seven And then

2019
01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:05,960
it's claxed the twenty five, and a half and then

2020
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,359
it drops off to calinmoy boils on. A rookie deal

2021
01:45:10,560 --> 01:45:16,039
that's that's top heavy. Money right. There that's tough the

2022
01:45:16,520 --> 01:45:19,800
let's do let's do, one More name and i'm Listing

2023
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:20,479
him because.

2024
01:45:20,880 --> 01:45:26,199
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is hysterical they Also Didn't play ryan rollins enough

2025
01:45:26,640 --> 01:45:30,319
in Their lost to minnesota. The other Night if the

2026
01:45:30,399 --> 01:45:35,199
bucks are serious about making a big, Splash This season

2027
01:45:36,840 --> 01:45:39,000
ryan robins almost has to, be the deal? Does he

2028
01:45:39,079 --> 01:45:42,600
not because you could trade one first round, pick and

2029
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,119
salaries and you have swaps that you can. Include in

2030
01:45:45,159 --> 01:45:49,680
there And so if, i'm a team his deal has

2031
01:45:49,720 --> 01:45:52,359
only one more cost controlled year on it because it's

2032
01:45:52,359 --> 01:45:54,720
a player option in, that, third year right it's not.

2033
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:55,680
A team option.

2034
01:45:57,000 --> 01:45:59,399
Speaker 2: It is. A, player option yes.

2035
01:45:59,560 --> 01:46:02,920
Speaker 1: He's been SO good that i Just wonder if milwaukee

2036
01:46:03,079 --> 01:46:05,600
was taking the long view here and the other thing

2037
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:07,239
that they could view it as is they, could say This.

2038
01:46:08,239 --> 01:46:10,800
We're keeping yannis our pick this year is, gonna be

2039
01:46:10,800 --> 01:46:13,119
good whether it's Ours. Or the pelicans we can then

2040
01:46:13,159 --> 01:46:16,319
trade two additional first round picks. Over the summer what

2041
01:46:16,359 --> 01:46:18,399
if we could get first Round Picks for ryan rollins

2042
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:22,000
now to, consolidate because again he is going to be

2043
01:46:22,079 --> 01:46:25,760
paid once more. After next Season this is i'm not

2044
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:28,439
even arguing in. Favor of it, i'm just curious if

2045
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:31,720
they are that desperate To keep the, yannice Window Open

2046
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:35,479
is ryan? Rollins more? Valuable not window but if they're

2047
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:39,239
that Desperate, to Keep Yannis is ryan rollins more valuable

2048
01:46:39,279 --> 01:46:43,159
to them as a trade asset or as a, player they.

2049
01:46:43,199 --> 01:46:45,079
Speaker 2: Keep as a. PLAYER they keep.

2050
01:46:47,039 --> 01:46:50,000
Speaker 1: I. TEND to agree i, would just ask what are

2051
01:46:50,039 --> 01:46:53,199
they capable of doing if? He's? Off, limits then.

2052
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:58,199
Speaker 2: Ohoh ABSOLUTELY nothing, BUT i, mean i understand but, that's

2053
01:46:58,399 --> 01:47:02,479
you know that's been you're painting, means for corner, because

2054
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:06,640
you're right he does have the. Most trade value the

2055
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:10,439
thing is he's earning, four million bucks so that's tough

2056
01:47:10,479 --> 01:47:12,399
to get. Something in Return what.

2057
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:16,640
Speaker 1: Does, Houston, just Say Hey here's tarr easton and two

2058
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:19,359
first Round Picks For ryan rollins the low end first

2059
01:47:19,399 --> 01:47:21,119
round Pick Was a tar easton at a. First round

2060
01:47:21,159 --> 01:47:23,399
pick does? That get you he's GONNA, be in rfa

2061
01:47:23,479 --> 01:47:24,760
so you have. To CONSIDER that but i don't think

2062
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:28,920
he's gonna. Get MEGA paid and i Don't think the

2063
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:32,000
buck's better now or just lighting them up.

2064
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,079
Speaker 2: In the future.

2065
01:47:35,680 --> 01:47:37,640
Speaker 1: Does It make the? BUCKS better now i think you

2066
01:47:37,640 --> 01:47:40,399
could actually argue it might make them worse now and

2067
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,720
into the future depending on what that. Pick looks like

2068
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:45,439
so that was a bad but A team like, Houston,

2069
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:48,239
would be oh this. Guy's so cheap fits a lot

2070
01:47:48,239 --> 01:47:51,439
of what they're doing and what. They could? Need is

2071
01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:53,279
it do you have a? Conversation about it.

2072
01:47:54,079 --> 01:47:57,199
Speaker 2: YOU probably do i think, my issue, Is, you know,

2073
01:47:57,319 --> 01:48:02,760
tari to me is a three or? A four three what's? The?

2074
01:48:02,880 --> 01:48:05,760
NEED there, You I mean kyle kusma, Is Still around

2075
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:09,680
bobby bord. Is still around obviously.

2076
01:48:08,399 --> 01:48:10,640
Speaker 1: You're just Naming players that I'M not that i don't

2077
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:13,840
factor into. Making any, deal, So no.

2078
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:15,439
Speaker 2: No but like do you have follow up?

2079
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:19,560
Speaker 1: Most, for them well for, them you would then well do,

2080
01:48:19,600 --> 01:48:22,600
you Need One, BECAUSE tari eastan i think if you

2081
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:26,600
wanted to get shiftier on, the perimeter defensively which is what,

2082
01:48:26,640 --> 01:48:31,640
they need done and then the, secondary ball Handling Okay,

2083
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:33,960
without ryan rollins but you. Do still have they run

2084
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,119
a lot of stuff Through A Healthy. Kevin porter JUNIOR

2085
01:48:36,279 --> 01:48:38,680
i'm not i want. TO be clear i don't think

2086
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:40,680
that's gonna be the, long. Term man sir i'm just

2087
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:43,000
CURIOUS as to i don't know that it, makes THEM

2088
01:48:43,039 --> 01:48:46,399
better but i don't know that it demands some wild

2089
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:49,600
follow up or maybe is there something to being, Able

2090
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:53,159
to address like would you prefer to get A Guard

2091
01:48:53,239 --> 01:48:54,920
for ryan rollins plus a? First round pick IT doesn't

2092
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:57,359
need i have you wig is, a bigger need but

2093
01:48:57,399 --> 01:48:59,399
if you're Getting Rid, of ryan wald you could probably make, The, case,

2094
01:48:59,399 --> 01:49:01,880
that okay well then. OTHER ball handler i want.

2095
01:49:01,880 --> 01:49:04,640
Speaker 2: ANOTHER ball handler i don't think they. CAN afford, THAT

2096
01:49:04,680 --> 01:49:06,359
i mean I know How Kim and porter junior has,

2097
01:49:06,359 --> 01:49:15,039
played this year but he's also been historically not overly

2098
01:49:15,199 --> 01:49:19,560
reliable in terms of like length and like the efficiency

2099
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:21,960
tends to go. Up and down like what he's doing

2100
01:49:22,039 --> 01:49:24,960
right now? Is super efficient is it going to look

2101
01:49:25,000 --> 01:49:29,359
that way when he crosses the twenty? Five, Games played, mark, i'm,

2102
01:49:29,399 --> 01:49:33,039
Skeptical so like i'm not buying into the production quite

2103
01:49:33,079 --> 01:49:36,239
yet because his sample size is Super Small.

2104
01:49:37,680 --> 01:49:40,840
Speaker 1: And ryan rollinds this is. JUST incredibly, expansive.

2105
01:49:41,439 --> 01:49:44,119
Speaker 2: I mean it's twenty nine games compared to, ten at least.

2106
01:49:44,119 --> 01:49:46,239
Speaker 1: Oh talking about, just this, season, yeah, SURE.

2107
01:49:46,319 --> 01:49:49,079
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah i mean and the way. THAT he's, played

2108
01:49:49,119 --> 01:49:53,239
i mean, like you said you've, muted. It yourself sir.

2109
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:58,800
Speaker 1: I'm coming at this from the Perspective Of he's ryan

2110
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:00,920
ronds' contract is actually just so much shorter. Than it

2111
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:03,960
Seems and maybe i'm galaxy braining it and saying this

2112
01:50:04,079 --> 01:50:06,479
isn't someone they have to. Worry about overpaying but the

2113
01:50:06,520 --> 01:50:10,920
two scenarios are, you're good, enough he stays and you

2114
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:14,119
have to pay him a. Bunch of money and the other, scenario,

2115
01:50:14,159 --> 01:50:16,520
would be, okay, ye honest leaves we trade him and

2116
01:50:16,520 --> 01:50:17,800
you still have to pay him a bunch of money

2117
01:50:17,800 --> 01:50:19,880
when he's entering his age twenty five season or. Whatever

2118
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:22,880
it is? Does that fit, You, could say hey, you,

2119
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:25,640
could say hey we're. Timelines are. Stupid that's fair you, can,

2120
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:27,199
also Say, hey we're yeah we'll deal with it when.

2121
01:50:27,239 --> 01:50:29,720
The moment comes there's also something to the idea of

2122
01:50:30,439 --> 01:50:33,520
what is his value because this. Is its, peak you

2123
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:35,800
know the team that gets him knows they have two

2124
01:50:35,880 --> 01:50:38,680
more playoff runs at, least with him and. He's so

2125
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,760
cheap so he's someone that if you're a good team,

2126
01:50:41,800 --> 01:50:43,760
that has picks you don't need to trip over yourself

2127
01:50:43,760 --> 01:50:46,760
trying to figure out the salary matching. Behind it, ALL.

2128
01:50:48,439 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah no i get the conundrum because that is. What

2129
01:50:52,880 --> 01:50:58,279
it is. That's. A Conundrum, damn yeah no that's.

2130
01:50:58,319 --> 01:51:00,880
Speaker 1: A good one like if you're trying to get if

2131
01:51:00,920 --> 01:51:04,119
you're trying to if you're Trying To get anthony Davis,

2132
01:51:04,159 --> 01:51:07,039
as The Bucks it's ryan, rollins your pick and then

2133
01:51:07,079 --> 01:51:09,640
we'll step letter our. Way to salaries and that Might actually.

2134
01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:13,000
Get dallas Thinking You remember Ryan rollins and cooper flag me. Insane,

2135
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:14,960
defensive combination.

2136
01:51:16,520 --> 01:51:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah twenty three twenty, three, years old right that will.

2137
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:20,880
Fit the timeline.

2138
01:51:23,399 --> 01:51:24,680
Speaker 1: Now this is, ALL to say i want to make

2139
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,640
It clear That i'm probably i'm. Not moving right if

2140
01:51:26,680 --> 01:51:28,680
someone bowled me over and said here's first like a

2141
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:31,680
bunch of first Round Picks, For ryan rollins i'm absolutely.

2142
01:51:31,720 --> 01:51:34,600
Gonna CONSIDER it but i Don't think the. Bucks should

2143
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:37,640
be if they are gonna make, their last gasp, bey

2144
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:41,039
honest move then then really do. The damn thing wait

2145
01:51:41,119 --> 01:51:44,239
till the offseason when you could throw three first round picks,

2146
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:46,079
on the table and that's when. You Do it but,

2147
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:48,800
i'm just curious is, To they're mentioned they've been mentioned

2148
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:51,039
in these other names that might they're not gonna, take

2149
01:51:51,079 --> 01:51:54,039
any Picks Let. Alone ryan rollins but if you're gonna

2150
01:51:54,039 --> 01:51:57,560
mention Them With, an anthony davis it's they could theoretically,

2151
01:51:57,640 --> 01:51:59,840
BE if No I don't anthony davis, AND you honest. I, don't,

2152
01:51:59,840 --> 01:52:02,119
KNOW defensively sure i don't know how anyone feels, about

2153
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:06,800
That Offensively, BUT ryan robbins i think is worth more

2154
01:52:06,880 --> 01:52:09,319
than the equivalent of one, first round pick and that's

2155
01:52:09,359 --> 01:52:13,039
the name that Could get the bucks into. Meaningful trade

2156
01:52:13,039 --> 01:52:16,680
discussions IT'S interesting because i hadn't considered. An angle Before

2157
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:19,520
that's why, i'm LIKE hesitating because i think. THAT'S super

2158
01:52:19,560 --> 01:52:24,640
interesting i had just sort of shoehorned him in at

2159
01:52:24,680 --> 01:52:25,680
that spot.

2160
01:52:25,359 --> 01:52:27,439
Speaker 2: For at least the rest of the year because. HE'S

2161
01:52:27,439 --> 01:52:30,640
that good i think he's the second best player on the.

2162
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:30,960
Team this.

2163
01:52:31,079 --> 01:52:33,720
Speaker 1: Year HE is there's i don't even know if there's

2164
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:34,479
an argument for.

2165
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:37,359
Speaker 2: Anybody, right exactly look if you're.

2166
01:52:37,199 --> 01:52:39,720
Speaker 1: Factoring in availability there might be An argument for giannis

2167
01:52:39,800 --> 01:52:43,439
is the. Second BEST player.

2168
01:52:43,239 --> 01:52:45,439
Speaker 2: And i think that's just such. A TOUGH sell but

2169
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:49,079
i understand, Your point, though like you if you believe,

2170
01:52:49,119 --> 01:52:53,039
in this group that might be the guy to. Pivot

2171
01:52:53,159 --> 01:52:56,000
off of but you could also make the argument that

2172
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,399
if you believe, in this group if and he he's

2173
01:52:58,439 --> 01:53:01,560
the second best player, on the team what's the lodging

2174
01:53:01,600 --> 01:53:03,520
and piving, off, of, him, like yeah okay you can

2175
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:05,279
might you might be able to get better that will

2176
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:10,279
cost you something on. THE depth department i don't have

2177
01:53:10,359 --> 01:53:13,399
a firm answer to YOU other Than I like ryan rollins,

2178
01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:15,520
a WHOLE bit and i would love for him To

2179
01:53:15,560 --> 01:53:18,319
stay ALONGSIDE gionnis because i think those two just. Mesh

2180
01:53:18,520 --> 01:53:22,760
So well so i'm disinclined to Go, the full hey

2181
01:53:22,840 --> 01:53:28,880
let's trade unless the return is so preposterously to my Advantage.

2182
01:53:29,000 --> 01:53:32,239
As the, bucks let's yes let's play.

2183
01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:34,560
Speaker 1: The, Name GAME then So I, mentioned anthony davis would

2184
01:53:34,560 --> 01:53:36,600
You Give up Ryan Rollinds and? Anthony, Davis, Traight, no

2185
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:37,000
No no.

2186
01:53:37,960 --> 01:53:38,000
Speaker 2: That.

2187
01:53:38,359 --> 01:53:44,359
Speaker 1: LaMelo ball no i'm trying to think. OF like realistic

2188
01:53:44,520 --> 01:53:46,159
i could name names that, it would work like we

2189
01:53:46,239 --> 01:53:51,399
would be a player they'd. Be in for. THEY just

2190
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:53,319
don't i Was Gonna Say, jared jackson junior but they

2191
01:53:53,359 --> 01:53:53,640
just Don't.

2192
01:53:53,680 --> 01:53:57,479
Speaker 2: Have the no I'm gonna SAY john morand i was gonna.

2193
01:53:57,479 --> 01:53:59,640
Speaker 1: Say. That, too no if you're if you're not gonna Give,

2194
01:53:59,640 --> 01:54:02,000
them up LaMelo you're not gonna give Him up For Trey.

2195
01:54:02,119 --> 01:54:04,279
OR john moran I would Assume i think LaMelo has

2196
01:54:04,279 --> 01:54:06,279
more trade value. Than all three BUT that's why, i

2197
01:54:06,319 --> 01:54:08,239
would say you're is there one of those three names?

2198
01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:10,199
You would consider you Said No, to john ran so It. Would.

2199
01:54:10,199 --> 01:54:12,439
Speaker 2: BE trey Yeah i have trey higher. THAN those two,

2200
01:54:14,199 --> 01:54:17,119
i REALLY don't or, i REALLY do Because i think

2201
01:54:17,159 --> 01:54:20,039
trey Is better Than. JAW and LaMelo i trust. Him,

2202
01:54:20,119 --> 01:54:24,720
far more yeah are? There? Defensive? Concerns absolutely uh is

2203
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:28,720
he six?'? One, is listed fuck no there are so

2204
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:32,119
many issues with. That point guard Crop but at least

2205
01:54:32,199 --> 01:54:34,880
trey comes in and you know what you're going to get.

2206
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,439
To a certain extent you don't really know what You're

2207
01:54:37,439 --> 01:54:39,520
gonna get with LaMelo on a. Night to night basis

2208
01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:41,239
you don't really know what You're Gonna get, with john

2209
01:54:41,239 --> 01:54:46,119
moran either because everything. Is A shit Show, at least

2210
01:54:46,199 --> 01:54:49,279
with trey you understand you're going to get the elite,

2211
01:54:49,359 --> 01:54:52,359
level of court vision you're going, to get volume scoring

2212
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:54,119
you know you're gonna get a lot. Of free pro

2213
01:54:54,239 --> 01:54:58,359
sufficiency so like that baseline to me. Is AT least

2214
01:54:58,359 --> 01:55:01,800
intriguing am I willing to Give Ryan? Rollins for trey

2215
01:55:01,840 --> 01:55:06,479
young that's at least Far More, interesting THAN anthony davis

2216
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:10,119
who i might acquire and who will end up. Playing twenty,

2217
01:55:10,119 --> 01:55:11,000
Five games for me.

2218
01:55:11,479 --> 01:55:15,359
Speaker 1: I'm not even worried. About the the health THAT'S just

2219
01:55:15,399 --> 01:55:18,239
the giannis a, defit, defense, AGAIN defensively sure.

2220
01:55:18,600 --> 01:55:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hate It Yeah, What, About Derek White? Yeah

2221
01:55:24,279 --> 01:55:26,520
trey murphy nope.

2222
01:55:28,439 --> 01:55:31,359
Speaker 1: Is it like? Is, there her name, well. We get,

2223
01:55:31,359 --> 01:55:34,159
Like uh.

2224
01:55:33,439 --> 01:55:36,760
Speaker 2: But again i'm also PRIORITIZING guards here because i do think.

2225
01:55:36,760 --> 01:55:39,720
YOU need more guards. I understand, your point you're saying

2226
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:42,920
you know you would want someone who is more of

2227
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:45,239
a wing type who comes in and. CHANGES the games.

2228
01:55:45,560 --> 01:55:49,479
DEFENSIVELY i hear. THAT i understand. THAT i appreciate that

2229
01:55:50,039 --> 01:55:52,960
i that's just taking so much away. From the guard

2230
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:55,000
spot i'm not willing to. Make, that, trade off.

2231
01:55:55,119 --> 01:55:57,680
Speaker 1: Well okay what if they call and They just say

2232
01:55:57,680 --> 01:56:02,039
it's rollins the pick and just get to the salary

2233
01:56:02,079 --> 01:56:11,199
matching and you can Have Your, Selection Between James, hardner, Kawhi, Leonard.

2234
01:56:10,520 --> 01:56:19,640
Speaker 2: Okay okay ah hardness so old. Though He's so old

2235
01:56:20,680 --> 01:56:26,239
why kawhi intrigues me? Even, Next to you. Honest kawhi

2236
01:56:26,399 --> 01:56:27,039
intrigues me.

2237
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:32,760
Speaker 1: Kawhi. Would intrigued me too but that's talking about banking

2238
01:56:32,760 --> 01:56:35,079
on what are you gonna, get game to game year,

2239
01:56:35,119 --> 01:56:35,439
to year?

2240
01:56:35,479 --> 01:56:39,239
Speaker 2: To him is right how many games he played? This year? So, far,

2241
01:56:39,319 --> 01:56:44,960
eighteen eighteen okay well he missed that, chunk in, the

2242
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:48,119
middle so, like outside of that he, hasn't, been missing

2243
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:51,000
games right. LET me just check i don't want to

2244
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:54,239
see you're gonna lie to you because it feels like

2245
01:56:54,359 --> 01:56:58,199
he's he's, played, after he returned, right, AND then yeah okay.

2246
01:56:58,239 --> 01:57:00,760
I have it here he missed that Chunk. Of games in,

2247
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:06,920
november outside of. That he's been available like can? We live?

2248
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:09,720
With that can we or are we just certain he's?

2249
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:10,840
GONNA go down again.

2250
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:15,039
Speaker 1: I Probably do it if i'm NOT just. To be

2251
01:57:16,239 --> 01:57:18,840
i don't it. Could be so destructive but, at the

2252
01:57:18,840 --> 01:57:21,640
same time it's if, it doesn't work out then at

2253
01:57:21,720 --> 01:57:23,920
least you've Limited, the damage to okay we didn't wait

2254
01:57:24,000 --> 01:57:26,239
until the summer and trade all these. OTHER first round.

2255
01:57:26,079 --> 01:57:31,880
Speaker 2: Picks, i will say this over, the past ten games twenty.

2256
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:37,439
Seven points seven rebounds There's no. Question about kauhi's ability

2257
01:57:37,479 --> 01:57:40,800
that is not the question, WITH so, RIDICULOUS man i

2258
01:57:40,840 --> 01:57:43,399
mean i would have to pull. The trigger, on that

2259
01:57:43,520 --> 01:57:46,840
but again this Is like, what, The bucks do right

2260
01:57:46,920 --> 01:57:49,680
like they just paint themselves into a corner and, Then,

2261
01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:52,960
they are like okay how much how much further can

2262
01:57:53,000 --> 01:57:55,680
we go in an attempt to? Keep you honest around

2263
01:57:56,279 --> 01:57:59,479
like this Would Be. Their final hail. Mary It really

2264
01:57:59,479 --> 01:58:02,560
would and i'm not even sure that if this deal

2265
01:58:02,640 --> 01:58:07,439
is gonna. LIKE would even. MATERIALIZE i don't know i.

2266
01:58:07,319 --> 01:58:09,680
Speaker 1: Think You could argue if kawhi and, got To stay,

2267
01:58:09,760 --> 01:58:12,439
Healthy the bucks would but then you look at the

2268
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:15,720
talent that's, Left around them though so getting To, the

2269
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:18,560
money for kawhi, who's at fifty million it would just

2270
01:58:18,560 --> 01:58:21,399
be so much harder because you're you're giving, up in

2271
01:58:21,479 --> 01:58:26,359
that scenario just When You're, looking, At Miles, Turner, gone kyle.

2272
01:58:26,399 --> 01:58:29,840
Speaker 2: Kuzma fine that's. Gone that's an acid Getting out of

2273
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:32,720
the kyku's from. Bisiness, is an acid well but.

2274
01:58:32,680 --> 01:58:36,840
Speaker 1: Then It's You're, Left With Bobby, Portis Kevin. Porter, junior gary.

2275
01:58:36,600 --> 01:58:43,479
Speaker 2: Trent yeah it's again. It's NOT a lot and i

2276
01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:47,560
am just inclined to keep, THE young fella. Around, I really.

2277
01:58:47,399 --> 01:58:50,880
Speaker 1: Am yeah i don't think there's ANOTHER good, name to

2278
01:58:51,159 --> 01:58:54,760
i mean one that would. Even be semi realistic are

2279
01:58:54,840 --> 01:58:59,720
You doing. It for you're not there's no way You're

2280
01:58:59,720 --> 01:59:01,199
Doing it. FOR tyler hero right.

2281
01:59:04,600 --> 01:59:09,640
Speaker 2: A, lot of scoring upside a lot of volume that

2282
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:13,359
he's the deal? Is coming up soon Does he mess

2283
01:59:13,399 --> 01:59:18,680
with giannis to the same? Exten not enough PLAYMAKING it's

2284
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:22,479
closer because I think, for the bucks specifically he fills. Some,

2285
01:59:22,600 --> 01:59:26,359
very Specific needs okay but I'm Still on the, Ryan

2286
01:59:26,439 --> 01:59:30,880
rawlins wagon here oh here's. Maybe this is interesting but

2287
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:32,960
based off his own health in the way, He's Played, This,

2288
01:59:33,039 --> 01:59:39,199
SEASON darius garland yeah I. Mean a healthy garland i'm,

2289
01:59:39,239 --> 01:59:47,039
saying yes too immediately but it's been a, while, with

2290
01:59:47,119 --> 01:59:47,960
that toe right.

2291
01:59:49,520 --> 01:59:51,239
Speaker 1: He's not moving. The same he did look WHAT was

2292
01:59:51,239 --> 01:59:52,000
the game i saw against?

2293
01:59:52,039 --> 01:59:52,399
Speaker 2: Him the Other?

2294
01:59:52,520 --> 01:59:55,279
Speaker 1: Night was it charlotte was a dad disaster where? HE

2295
01:59:55,319 --> 01:59:56,960
looked pretty good i can't even, Remember AT this point

2296
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:58,680
but I, think of the bucks you kind of. HAVE

2297
01:59:58,720 --> 02:00:01,520
to do it I, don't IF i'm cleveland many i

2298
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:03,680
guess you're doing it is you don't think he's Gonna

2299
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:05,880
Be fine and, ryan rolinds is Cheaper and but the

2300
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,600
bucks don't have other players or? What's your interest in

2301
02:00:09,640 --> 02:00:12,239
like who is the matching? Salary? In That Deal right

2302
02:00:12,279 --> 02:00:14,439
with darius garland is what you get Into Because you're

2303
02:00:14,479 --> 02:00:16,920
not ryan Rolin. Sure fits in. Cleveland like a. Glove But,

2304
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:19,279
You're not, It's, Cleveland You're, Not oh, kyle, kuzma.

2305
02:00:19,479 --> 02:00:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no No no no it's. Garland is, A case i'm

2306
02:00:23,880 --> 02:00:25,920
like i'm tracking a little bit because this. Is this

2307
02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:29,479
is worrisome Like when when The, SPURS traded for, FOX i,

2308
02:00:29,520 --> 02:00:31,600
was like i think should they should have held out To?

2309
02:00:31,680 --> 02:00:34,359
Try it for garland now that the toe injuries like

2310
02:00:34,800 --> 02:00:37,079
limited him to the, Point that, it, is i'm, like

2311
02:00:37,199 --> 02:00:42,840
oh bullet dodged so it's let's just go with The healthy.

2312
02:00:42,880 --> 02:00:46,239
Guy there ryan, WANTS at this, STAGE i can't like

2313
02:00:46,279 --> 02:00:50,920
i can't roll the. Dice on. This situation i'm curus.

2314
02:00:50,640 --> 02:00:53,319
Speaker 1: I'm very curiousy what. Milwaukee, ends, up doing yeah uh

2315
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:54,079
do you have?

2316
02:00:54,079 --> 02:00:56,479
Speaker 2: Anything else to say or can you just tell our

2317
02:00:56,600 --> 02:00:58,319
audience where they can find you at all the, Work, that,

2318
02:00:58,399 --> 02:00:59,920
you do yes sir you can Find Me.

2319
02:01:00,039 --> 02:01:00,199
Speaker 1: Over.

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02:01:00,199 --> 02:01:04,520
Speaker 2: AT yahoo sports Yeah i have the nbag podcast And,

2321
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:07,039
IF you speak danish i do the podcast bus repeater

2322
02:01:07,319 --> 02:01:09,479
And called GAMES In danish for hbo.

2323
02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:12,920
Speaker 1: Max until next, time and as always do All the,

2324
02:01:12,960 --> 02:01:15,960
things as, grant says rate, review subscribe on YouTube Leave

2325
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:19,359
us reviews, on apple five. Stars and written reviews really.

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02:01:19,359 --> 02:01:22,600
Help people with discoverability so we had the, rating climbing

2327
02:01:22,640 --> 02:01:24,279
up there but more written. Reviews would be.

2328
02:01:24,279 --> 02:01:28,119
Speaker 2: Great, we'd appreciate it, finally but not leastily shout, out to,

2329
02:01:28,159 --> 02:01:31,039
the one the only the real player.

2330
02:01:30,760 --> 02:01:32,960
Speaker 1: Who could fix the walk in future if they let

2331
02:01:33,000 --> 02:01:35,319
him miss their friend cheating