Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Sikos, I am Dana Valley coming
at you with the one the Only, mister Mort Jensen,
of the NBA podcast, fame of Yahoo Sports, fame of
HBO Max fame, and of OnlyFans celebrity. We are here
to do something no other podcast in the NBA space
is doing, and that's a talk about trade candidates. But
not just any trade candidates under the radar, trade candidates,
names that aren't in the rumor mill, that maybe could
be moved, should be moved. I'm sure we'll take stances.
We might just ask some questions here, Mort before we
get started. How the heck are you doing?
Speaker 2: Doing well? Sir? Doing well? Would like to give you
an official apology for simply being in a being put
in a situation where I couldn't get home and actually
record an episode with you as per planned, which was
very frustrating to me.
Speaker 1: Millions of people were waiting for the live stream, and
when I made the announcement, yeah it was, the response
was especially lamentable from the alien race for people other
planets that were waiting choppering in a live stream. So,
but the episode went up without you. The show must
go on We're glad that you're okay and you were
not part of said car accident that entrenched upon your schedule.
I did have a question for you about this exercise.
How do you when you're thinking about this, are you
thinking it in terms of because I didn't, which is
why I'm asking, I'm not identifying someone where it's let's
use the Spurs as an example where everyone's decided they're
too good to make some sort of big move. So
the move is what can we attached to Kelly olynic
salary and add to this rotation. I didn't approach this
and will not be approaching this from that perspective. I
looked at it as guys who teams would be interested
in actively acquiring that aren't in the rumor mill that
if the teams get called about they either wouldn't hang
up or shouldn't hang up, and some of them might
be more under the radar names. I have a couple
spicy ones in mind, and I'm just curious as to
what your approach is going to be for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like teams who identified good contracts for sure, but
also just the teams that actually have the good contract
that might be thinking hmm, you know what, this guy,
he's going to be tough to extend because of the
one hundred and forty percent role, So perhaps we should
get out ahead of it as long as this guy
has at least a couple of years left on his steal.
So that was the perspective. I didn't think in terms
of like package deals whatsoever. Like I am, I am
picking individual players and basically saying this guy should have
some trade value.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was asking me because Grant tried to gain
an NBA trade value draft we had and he selected
Tobias Harris at one point, and he then retracted the
pick because he was viewing it through the lens of
any move Detroit makes, it will be Tobias Harris plus
whatever to bring back name right X. And so I
was curious if you were looking at it through which
I don't think is an invalid way of looking at it.
I just I'm just here asking questions about whether these
guys should be available, whether they have value. So I
will give you the first pick. Who is your first
under the radar NBA trade canidate.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if he counts us under the radar,
but Onyeka Okongo.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Were you going alphabetically, Are you just going
through the entire league right now?
Speaker 2: No, this is a guy I've been thinking about for
a while. Fifteen million this year, sixteen point one next year,
sixteen point eight during the final year of his contract.
He is cheap under ten percent of the salary cap.
I think it's actually pretty steady at nine point seven
percent of the cap for the duration of his contract.
This year, he's been starting to shoot and hit the
three ball at a much higher clip. Still a good defender,
still an underrated playmaker. Ass a center, you know, I
like his defense, although he's you know, he's he's undersized,
He's and that's probably where the issues kind of lie, right, Like,
he's a six' eight, center you, know can you play
him at the foe and a? Pin? Sure now that
he's expanded this, RANGE i would argue you, could WHICH
i also think kind of makes him a little bit more.
Valuable of, course The hawks would probably like to keep
someone like him on that good of a, deal especially
when they also Got Niki Alexandra walker in there on
that type of a, deal which is. Great so it
like it comes down to can we as an organization
get something in? Return For, unyeka which is going to
be substantially better moving forward towards our. Fit. NOW i
don't have a specific trade, destination ALTHOUGH i will say
if there's a team that could use a center who's more,
productive that would Be. Orlando but doesn't it make sense?
Speaker 1: PROBABLY i guess if you try us the shooting over
A Wendoll Carter junior, There.
Speaker 2: Yeah but he's still is a six to eighth.
Speaker 1: Center that's where it gets, tough, right what about they'd
have to give up? STUFF i don't know if they're There, Boston.
Speaker 2: Oh boston could be. Fun, yeah that'd be.
Speaker 1: Fun WHAT i think from The hawks perspective, though it's,
Interesting and it's if you don't want to move Jay
On johnson and you're interested in you're, honest then sure
you're willing to give up on yea conclute at that.
Point so it's we're really talking outside of that. Discussion
if you're saying he would be an interesting, trade, cadiator
are you also saying then The hawks need a different
type of player at center long term because we know
it's NOT kp at this point for, them.
Speaker 2: Right, Right and and that's where the thing is for,
Me LIKE i think you just need more, size which
is which is ridiculous when you went out and actually
ACQUIRED kp it's seven to three and you know you
probably tize size And jalen And Zaka Rush Dyson, daniels
who's like a six to eight off, Guard, LIKE i
understand why you go out and align this this level
of size next To trey and O congo doesn't really
fit that mark, Right like he's so, productive but for
the fifth, time he's six.' eight so eventually you have
to make a call here do we start him like
he's too good to just routinely have off the bench or,
at least, you know play. Bench minutes that's why he's
averaging forty one minutes on. The year but at the,
same time you have to wonder if we're going to Stick,
with trey do we need as an organization someone who is. Significantly, BIGGER.
Speaker 1: Yeah i mean so you don't the fact though that
they've been starting him lately that doesn't Do anything like
he's been starting for them Basically since thanksgiving on a. Consistent,
BASIS no i, think again he's too productive.
Speaker 2: Not to But what i'm asking for them is is
that part of their long. Term thing this could also
be a way to just. Showcase him if we're being,
really skeptical that could be a way of looking at
it that they're just trotting him out there showing, The,
league look this guy can give you sixteen to eight,
good defense, improving shooter. Good contract, come on let's let's
get the. Bits in.
Speaker 1: Would you move him as part Of An anthony? Davis?
Trade then is that Someone Who anthony davis is playing
the five again probably won't want to play if he Goes?
To atlanta do You View anthony davis as a better
and you have to obviously take in all the risk
involved of, getting older the injuries. With ad, of course
he's gonna need to get, paid, Soon.
Speaker 2: Right that's like after, this year he's owed one hundred and,
eleven million and he's played how many Games for dallas
since getting traded almost a.
Speaker 1: Year AGO what i, will, say though is everyone who's
bent out of shape that he has the twenty seven
twenty eight. PLAYER option I just i would dare him
as sure you decline that and go get seventy million dollars.
A year no one's giving you that at, that. AGE
man I just i think we're at a Point where
i'm just not scared of these older dudes who are, saying,
That well i'm gonna need. My, extension no if you want,
the max if you're not willing. To negotiate if you're willing, to,
negotiate sure but if you're, a team you Don't Acquire
anthony davis, to, say, oh like we need to extend
him for the whatever it is three and two or
four and two on whatever it ends. Up being, so
Yeah but i'm just trying to think of Because a
kung was, So good i'm just how do you upgrade?
From him Because A jared allen type isn't gonna do it,
FOR you, womo assume especially. This season.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because do we think that This Is jared
allen's new norm or do we just think this?
Speaker 1: Is no, but so if if you're Looking At Pete,
jared allen then, let's say do you think that he
is a better fit For the hawks moving forward Than a.
CONGO especially i think the part of this we've danced
around a little bit is we just Know That jalen
johnson is there four and he might be their temp
pole of, the future and so that's what you really
do need to build out your center position, KNOWING.
Speaker 2: YEAH i i probably would lean in a DIRECTION where
i am willing to relinquish that DEAL assuming i get.
Something back, THAT is i don't even need a, center
NECESSARILY like i was saying that they need. More size
that doesn't have to come through. This trade you can
find different avenues because then if you trade for a
guy who's like a good wing, or whatever then maybe
there are a couple of these wings that get freed
up in a. Different trade like it doesn't have to,
be oh the, Immediate saul like it could be step
one of a two, step plan and.
Speaker 1: Then you're kind of rolling with at center for the
rest of the YEAR whatever kp could give. You, there, okay,
okay yeah my first pick is going to be let's go.
Spicier here i'm Gonna say bam at. A bio, So
okay i'm curious just Because the bam And khalia ware
minutes have not been working. This season minus nineteen net
rating for the Month of december has been a disaster for.
The year and this is easy to say right now
Because khalil ware is playing, so well but do the
heat if they're not gonna trade for a, bigger name
or even if, they are do they view this? As
Well is bam gonna be harder to fit if you Went?
After ayiannis do they View khalil ware just he has
two years left on his, Rookie scale he's going to.
Be younger do they at all? Consider him he doesn't
have the playmaking Chops, of bam Doesn't have BAM's. Defensive
Ceiling but i'm just sort, Of wondering and maybe it's
more so not about oh is khalil whare the impetus?
Behind this or more so we don't know what the
next great Team around bam is gonna. Look like who
is the target that we're. Going after who are the
players that we're developing in to help us become this
behemoth In The. Eastern conference i've just thought MORE because
i don't Love the bam And khalil ware Pairing that
bam has to take more threes and gets fewer at,
the rim and he's also not a high volume rim
player as. It is defensively it hasn't been, working either
and a lot of that his opponents are shooting an
astronomical clip from behind the arc. Against Them but i've
just sort of put a pin in it Because khalil
ware has been in the speculation factory to where would
they move him if they could get BIG. Name x
if you're throwing, out THERE but i wondered if they
were being maybe not, an appetite but a Willingness for
miami to go the. Other direction if they really think
That khalil ware can be their anchor big of, the future.
Speaker 2: Why? Wouldn't they why? Wouldn't they he's, so intriguing and
he's younger two years left on his rookie contract after,
this year which means that's an enormous asset, cap wise
and even if he gets extended to a lot, of
money and even if It's, the max it's going to
be The fun max for, a, while which by, the,
way like let's that's getting ahead of ourselves because he's still,
so young he needs to. DO more I am i
am Willing If i'm miami to take Calls. On, BAM
absolutely I am. I am i am willing to test
out what the market is going. To OFFER what i
also need to understand is WHAT am i looking? For
Specifically because bam is that type of guy where if
you're going to. Trade him you need to have. A
plan you need to understand one hundred percent what it
is in terms of like the archetype you're. Going for
are you looking For the bam replacement to be more for?
Wing guy do you need someone who runs the show at,
the point like what is the biggest need There In.
Speaker 1: MI miami i do think if you're going To, trade
bam you are taking a future. Focus Package but i've
also kind, of thought and this is now this gets
into What is BAM's actual? Trade value but could You
do Bam to charlotte get your own, pick back get,
more picks and do you Get a LaMelo ball flyer
or as part of their thinking in, that scenario We
want Bam with LaMelo ball and that he get One
Of content Nipple Or, Brandon miller and they're hoping To
Have bam LaMelo One of miller And, k nipple and
then there's there's picks involved around one of those. YOUNGER
players I don't CHARLOTTE is i want to, Be clear
charlotte's never given the indication that they want to accelerate to,
that degree not During The jeff, peterson era but that.
WAS one, i mean If. You're miami, then okay we
have our pickback and that freez you have to do
a whole bunch of other things moving forward.
Speaker 2: As, well yeah. THAT'S interesting, i yeah let me ask you,
this though just him to put a bowl. On, it
well how do you view the current youth process of.
The heat do you trust the young guys who are
stepping up? Right now do you trust that these people
that these players are well players of people are enough
of a attraction level to where the where the heat,
can justify, you know taking that, STEP back.
Speaker 1: I think it depends because the closest they're gonna come
and we've only just started to see more Of. Casperis
hiakacions it just comes back to how do you feel
about khalil ware as maybe your primary building block or
do you think you're getting your primary building block back
as part OF a. Bam Trade because i'm still is
not had not having the most efficient stretch, right Now
but I'M still I Like. PELEE larson I Like, HIMAI
hakkez I like i Do, Like casparis like he's just
very creative when he when he has the ball in.
His hands, but no you don't look at this, and,
say oh, we're ready like we have, our guy so
let's push forward Around. KHALIL ware i don't KNOW that
i would trust. THAT logic i think this would be
more of an admittance that they don't know how to
push FORWARD around bam to where what is the timeline
horizon to field because they've been frisky at points. This
YEAR but i don't View the heat as as a
real threat in. THE easily i don't see them beating Up,
the Pistons, the Knicks the magic and across the seven.
Game series so that would Be the and you're also
just we've talked a lot about. Their flexibility You Have
andrew wiggins, Is Expiring tyler hero only has two years
left on his conjure will be expiring after, THIS year,
I BELIEVE so i don't know If This norman powell.
Speaker 2: Is.
Speaker 1: Expiring now do they view this as sort of a
maybe natural.
Speaker 2: Pivot, POINT yeah i wouldn't be opposed to going that
route of just pivoting at this stage because at the
end of, the day this team is not in, the
hunt as, you said and they always try to be in,
the hunt but you have to make the realization that
eventually something's got. To give this might be the time
to actually, do it because while you have all these
young guys on cheap deals or, rookie deals that's when
you actually start to make moves because you can afford
to have stuff. GOING on i would at least prioritize
also in addition to getting like future assets In for
bam to have expiring deals, for SURE so i can
go in as the heat in the summer with financial
flexibility to do. Something else.
Speaker 1: I'd be curious what his value would. Be too so
my stance on This, From miami's i'm probably Just. KEEPING
bam i don't know that his value is ever gonna
be easy, to measure just because of how versatile he
is on the, defensive end and he does a lot
of stuff that just aren't going to show up in
not just the traditional, box scores but some of the.
Advanced Stuff, and steven let's go back to the team
we just Spoke, about atlanta is that would they be
interested in him if they're going From On yeka kungu
when you run into the same problem of well he's he's,
not bigger you're not looking. At him was he, Six'
nine so he's won in his one Inch. On on
yakakungu so.
Speaker 2: For some people one inch matters.
Speaker 1: WHICH he's better i want to. Make that Clear i'm
just i'm wondering what would be the yo who gets
in on this to where. They're REALLY thrilled Like i
named charlotte is just, a thought exercise but like kind
of considering other teams with assets or that might be
want to go in on a. BIG name player i
guess You could throw. ATLANTA into there i don't like
off the top, Of my head like that's where it
gets like he would be a fit to be. Clear
JUST anywhere, but i mean Like it's would portland Like
they have clinging And They. Have jan hanson are they
gonna want to be in on That. With the spurs
probably don't want to pair Him. Next to wenby that's
not the guy you want to go After H, With
toronto toronto like, if you look they seem to want
more size out of the center position if they're gonna
pivot from partle or have it coming. Off behind him
so that's Where It Can, with golden state is that
the name that they want to? Fire everything at so that,
Could BE interesting but i do run into THE issue
Of i think BAM's, this fantastic player but with some of,
these OTHER guys and i run into the same ISSUE
with A d although i feel like it's. FOR different
reasons i kind, Of, start thinking oh who is who's
the team that's coming In?
Speaker 2: With the.
Speaker 1: Godfather it's this it's the same thing with. All these
Guys But, If i'm miami i'm probably more open To
it than i've ever been and it to me though
it has not, little to do but it doesn't have
as much to do with KHALIL ware as i think
it would for. SOME other, people i agree who's? Your
next name.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna cheat the next name is. Not a name
it's like a, group of guys and it's all the Expiring.
Contracts in chicago what is? Like up there you Know
you have vouch expiring at twenty one, Point Four million sack,
Collins Eighteen million kevin hurder, Also Eighteen million kobe. WHITE
thirteen million i would assume seven and, A Half million
yvon carter. Six point nine that is a lot, of, Expiring, dollars,
sir so like what is the deal here going? Into
free agency just let them expire and try? To do
something is are they planning to perhaps go out and
see if they can make some sort of splash before
the deadline using. THE expiring deals i just think there's
if you're a creative general manager and if you have the,
support of ownership and We know the, bulls have neither
this is such a gold mine to have. At your
disposal why you also have all, your own picks, BY the,
way i mean a competent general manager would look at
this situation right, now, and go oh. This is delicious
do We trust the bulls to? Actually do anything do
we think there's something? Of their sleeves do we think
seems Outside? Of the bulls or like looking at certain
players here and saying we need the financial, Relief, this
summer like what are we Thinking With the chicago bulls?
As expiring contracts.
Speaker 1: You make a good point that you can't trust them
to do, anything, WITH them Right i guess i've just
thought about it too much to consider it being under
the radar that they're not going to move enough of
them or get. ANYTHING for them i guess it is
semi noteworthy that they're more open than Ever To moving
kobe white for, the latest REPORTING and if i HAD
to get i do think one of he or a
favorite of both. YOURSELF and myself i would assume who.
WILL get moved i don't know what the, Value IS
there and i also what is The Market, for kobe white,
as an example is? Making so little how much bad
money are you able to take? Back in return and
one are the teams that are actively looking to give
you bad money and compensate? YOU for Such i think
dallas might be a semi good example if they could
Use Someone like kobe white With Or without kyrie irving
coming back. On the horizon they have some contracts they're probably,
not thrilled about but are they a team that's gonna?
Include draft picks when you look at where they're at
in their own competitive timeline that it'll be fascinating to
See what the bulls settle, for IN it because i
do agree with you that there's a lot. Of POSSIBILITIES
there but i, do wonder again what is the appetite
because it seems like there will be more teams looking
for short term salary, relief than oh we want to
clear cap space or just like get out of this
salary for, this coming Summer, which the bulls because of their,
own tax situation they can give you. Some of that
they're thirteen point six million beneath the tax and so
like there's some, flexibility FOR sure but i, also don't
know like what's the team That's ITCHING to and i
guess theoretically it's easier to do what we just outlay
using A Vouch or Kevin Herder or zach collins because
they're making so much More money Than hyo De Sumu, and,
kobe white.
Speaker 2: Right and we need to just bring up the fact before,
people are like like why? Were you, saying you're like
why are they finally Open To. Training kobe white we've
been telling them more or Less To trake kobe white
for a while because we know that they. Can't extend
him the Same. GOES for, io i mean because of the.
ONE and rule.
Speaker 1: I do have A question and i think, he'll Get
more but i'm curious to see what he ends up
getting because the average salary why? Giving him that oh
For what's That white OR dusumo for i mean for
either of them for to sooner you could you could
extend him just because he's not getting more than fifteen and.
A half million i'd be pretty surprised if. He gets
that i'm Very Curiously where kobe. WHITE ends up. I
don't think i just want to BE clear because i
don't know what. That deal is it's like, Four FOR
whatever and i think his one forty percent probably goes
beyond the average salary at this point or at. Least
whatever it's it's under one hundred would, be his extensions
so He'll Probably get but i'm very, curious to see
just with the absence of long term deals in general
that feels like they're, Being signed up i'm very curious
to see where his price.
Speaker 2: Point.
Speaker 1: Ends.
Speaker 2: Up yeah same there's also some speculation from the fan
base that because the team has so, many expiring contracts
they're just gonna expire and then use the cap space
to basically just resign some, of their guys which would
just be. So utterly difference it'd. Be, so funny yeah
just like you know what.
Speaker 1: They should do they should stack all. Of them together
you rope in whatever, parties you need and you Just
call call, philly and say are any of those clips
first picks? On the board If We take Joel Embiid.
Speaker 2: Or, paul drake yep That's one that i've. Been, Thinking
about oh i've also just Because they're the bulls And
they LOVE chicagoans, like i do think there's merit and
placing A call to dallas, and, just saying look we're
not gonna. Attach draft picks we're, gonna get, you you
know three expiring contracts and then We're Gonna take anthony
davis and you're probably gonna like maybe, maybe not though
because it's it's an immediate one hundred and eleven million
dollars off the cap over the next Two. YEARS for,
dallas i yes that is a lot of money off
a cap for a guy who is not playing, a
whole lot, who's getting hurt. Who's Getting older Like, I'm
not look i'm not saying. It's gonna work I'M just
saying i would. Understand, the Approach like If, I'M the
bulls i. Don't do THAT why would i go out
and get that much money on the cap for the
next couple of years for A gamle who i'm not even.
Speaker 1: Sure TO play so i would Do that AT chicago
because i in my head WILL be thinking i can
absolutely get first Round Picks for ANTHONY davis if i
move him at some point in Another trade. FROM dallas's
perspective i Just, don't those yeah they might Be Appeal
like kobe white might be appealing the flexibility of getting
money off the books as part, of the Trade but
given dallas's track record of just what they do with their,
CAP space anyway. I, don't know like and it's not
like they're going to create all this.
Speaker 2: Get, Picks for, davis like honestly then you.
Speaker 1: Don't move him YOU just, hope i would just because,
FIRST of all i. Think you'll get if you don't,
Get a first. I'd be shocked there's going to be it.
Takes one team there will be a team that will
talk themselves.
Speaker 2: Into, giving up okay like projected to be, like, late
first sure but like a juicy first or was sure
that's going to.
Speaker 1: BE a thing, i DON'T know. But i would my
guess would be if the if the benchmark Is Let's,
Say Kobe white Kevin Herder and nicola vucevich, Just throwing
contract i'm going to assume that they can, beat that offer.
Speaker 2: Assuming someone wants to beat that off and.
Speaker 1: If they can't as, of Right Now, AND i'm dallas
i am rolling this. INTO the offseason i don't think.
There's A rush but i Do like the.
Speaker 2: PHILLY idea too i think that is the smart one
where it's just it's embid and, the, pick right like
because that is just that's so. Much More, money jesus
christ it's so. Much, more money.
Speaker 1: Yeah It's, if you're philly are you're trying harder to
Get off the embiid Contract or. The george contract if
you're gonna Be off, A clippers pick i'm probably pushing
to Get off. The Embiid.
Speaker 2: CONTRACT oh, EMBIID i like i am trying to use
that to GET Off of embid and that just sounds
so rough FOR. A former, mvp but like let's just.
Go through it fifty eight point one, million next year
sixty two point seven million, the year after and then
finally a player option worth sixty seven. Point four million,
there's no way there's just no effing way that he's
not going to. Pick that up he is, that full
contract that's going to see the. End of, it and
man like It's if the bulls can get a pick
to take him on for, Those expiring deals i'm. Doing,
It immediately absolutely.
Speaker 1: Let's see what i've gotten. Next up here this is
because this. Team is fascinating, I'm Gonna say Dylan, brooks
with phoenix they don't have any material incentive to just
trade him because of how, HE'S so important, i would.
Argue too important when you look at his level of
shot creation, And shot making he's in like the ninety
fifth percentile of self creative shot, making right NOW which is.
I mean wow but also the, VOLUME he's shouldering i
just feel like it's not going. To be sustainable but
when you don't have the incentive, TO get worse i
Still think, from phoenix's perspective it probably means little if
they're not Willing To, move devin booker which is. A
different conversation is someone gonna give you more than the
equivalent of one first Round Pick for dylan? Brooks RIGHT
now because i made the case on a Previous podcast
WITH grant that I Probably, if i'm phoenix it has
to be more than one first ROUND pick if i
even want to, think of it because what? Is the
incentive but there is the push and pull of well?
Shouldn't you evaluate you have to start evaluating your direction
outside the context of, your Draft Obligations and dylan brooks
is probably not going to be part of the next Great,
iteration of Phoenix and so i'd. Just BE curious am
i moving him for one? First, round Pick no but
i'd be curious just what he, could do defensively even
kind of playing up, to the four and then what he,
has done offensively what they could. Get for Him and,
If i'm them i'm absolutely open to. Hearing about it so.
Speaker 2: What's your price Tag For? For dylan brooks like what?
Speaker 1: DO you want i want one real, first round PICK
and then i would like the opportunity of always it an.
Interesting young player is it a or is? It another
pick like That's protected not you're not going to get
two Lottery Picks for dylan. Brooks TYPE deal but i
think that's that's what. Gets Me Thinking, if, I'M.
Speaker 2: Nicks YEAH i think i would, agree with you even if,
This isn't sustainable like he's at. LEAST proven something i
don't think he's going to drop down to like firsteen,
Fourteen points again like he's going to settle into some.
Kind of rhythm Some of the kobe shots, have gone away.
Which is good the defensive intensity, remains the same. BIG wing, physical.
Speaker 1: I mean here's i HAVE teams that i would Like
like the lakers should absolutely be. Calling about him they
can only trade one, first round pick And so does
ruey and that first round PICK get, because i mean,
to Be honest the Suns could use they could stand
to squeeze more juice out of, the four rotation the
four spot. In their rotation RUEY has been i know
a lot of people chalking up people he's gotten To
play with Lebron and then Reeves and then lucas who
shots like he's just scoring well, at every level like at.
These astronomical clips so Or do the lakers view that
as an overpay because they have these caps Base Aspirations
and dylan brooks is still on the books. Past this
season but like that's a team that. COULD use him
i think you could also make A case, for i
mean you could make a case for a. BUNCH of teams.
I just don't THE thing that, I, struggle, with okay
well what's the team that's giving you deaf definitively more
than one? First round pick and do you view what's
also interesting is they are, they're different players. Certainly on
offense who do you view Is More valuable dylan brooks
or name who's been, Mentioned A. Bunch, HERB jones oh
i mean This Version. Of dylan brooks The Answer.
Speaker 2: IS dylan brooks i would say, So because, again, I'm
look man i'm a sucker for. TWO way. PLAY i
don't i can't sit Here And say herb jones is,
necessarily you know a. Two way Guy this, is, i'm
sorry mar.
Speaker 1: This is nuts What here's every this is the list
of players who are scoring more efficiently on self created
shots This Season, than Dylan, brooks brandon ingram that got to,
be coming Down, But Brandon, Ingram Shay, Gildess, Alexander, Donovan,
Mitchell Nikola, Jokic Austin. Reeves luka doncic that is that's. That's, fucking, wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. No that's crazy and so you were saying
one good first and maybe like one protected or. A
young player that's wild that we've reached the point twenty
two games in for, him at least that that's where,
the value is because that is NOT the value i
Had Attached to. Dylan, brooks, BEFORE yeah well i. Think,
that's that look that's. A good name that's probably the
best thing we've had, on the list because what you're
lining up here is that's why they? Should trade him
go go. CAN'T cash in i.
Speaker 1: Don't you know but there's NO the lake I said.
The lakers already i'm just trying to think of what's.
The team is he could, Be semi interest. HE'S not
bigger i know you wanted, a Bigger, wing but atlanta he'd.
Be interested there? Would you trade here's here's a. Galaxy
brain thing would You Just trade Zachary Resache? For dylan Brooks,
if you're, atlanta, you can't right you, WOULD.
Speaker 2: Just, well, I, mean look phoenix that's probably. The REAL question,
but i mean If if the hawks really are, TRYING to,
win i mean look at look at the age of
their Prime Guys Like, Trey Chris, tops jalen nikhil like
those guys are winning now hus they're. Not young BUCKS
so would? I be. Opposed probably not but, to Your
point would? PHOENIX do it.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to. Have this discussion it's making.
Me look comfortable you. Embrace, The discussion well I'M just
because I don't. Think I Could, If i'm phoenix i'll
probably just DO it because i will bet. On the,
Upside And, also dylan brooks this level of shot making
has to prove even if you get it for, the
entire year how much longer are you going to get
it For. WITH the hawks i just it's not even
the fact that he has two years left on his
rookie scale because the, number one pick he's not. Super
DUPER cheap but i Don't Like having Dylan Brooks and
dyson daniels on. The same team that just gets. A
little wonky he'd be he'd make a. LOT of sense
i don't know if they're willing to give, up For
This But charlotte dylan brooks would make a, ton of
sense and they do have, SOME extra first i don't
know if they'd be wing to throw any. On the table.
Speaker 2: What is he going To? Achieve in charlotte what? Is
the play he?
Speaker 1: Plays defense like he gives you like he's like what
everyone Used To think josh green was on defense and
very clearly is Not who he, To Be clear josh
green has been. INJURED this season. I know that just throwing, that,
OUT there.
Speaker 2: Well i mean they can, always use, LEADERSHIP but Geez
i Mean Mellow.
Speaker 1: AND dylan brooks i think the real ISSUE is is
i believe you could get a first Round Pick. FOR
dylan brooks i think the market to get more for
him would be pretty sparse if it, Exists at all
and that WOULD be why i. Just keep him because one,
first Round Pick, IF i'm phoenix, I don't, know i
MEAN if it's i don't know what the and. The
tree Like if the lakers just came, in and said
here's our unprotected twenty thirty one, first round pick you
probably have to, think about it but you're also not getting.
An immediate payoff now if that pick Is attached To,
ruby hotch mora now. Now WE'RE talking BUT i don't
i honestly don't Even think the lakers would. Do that tree.
Speaker 2: Is there a deal centered on the calves Where it's like?
Hunter going out let. Me just see do they have
some draft picks that? Are freed?
Speaker 1: Up they do they can trade up to two draft
picks thirty thirty. And, thirty, two, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah no wait twenty nine they're sending Something. Out to
charlotte oh that's.
Speaker 1: NOT a swap i thought that. Was a swap that's.
Speaker 2: The, Least, favorable okay well if they can free, up
two picks because presumably they're going, to be low is
that something Do you entre hunter. And a pick? Is
That anything does hunter Make? More? Than, BROOKS yes well
I mean.
Speaker 1: And phoenix is what they're, into the tax but they're
below the. So they can't there'd have to be a
third team there to. Make, that work uh. You're getting smaller.
Speaker 2: But why they're under there under? The, first apron oh
they're under. THE first apron i thought they. Were into it.
That's my opinon now there's there's six point two million under.
Speaker 1: And So what is Cleveland?
Speaker 2: Giving THEM hunter and i guess one of the. Or
maybe two that's what we need. To figure out Probably
one because hunter is, not you know like. HE'S not bad.
I like him i think you could get.
Speaker 1: One in a Swap out. Of CLEVELAND maybe and i
don't think they're gonna want To Give, up jalen tyson
but he.
Speaker 2: Would, BE interesting, YEAH i know I probably keep tyson
and just make the Money work with hunter and. Then
a pick but that is that something that Could save
the cavalier? Season at ALL or am i just kind
of trying to save a situation that. SEEMS increasingly dramatic.
Speaker 1: I do agree That it's probably i've been a little
bit too laisse far with my lack of CONCERN. For
the Casa but, If i'm them i'm probably At this
point i'm not gonna double down on it by giving
up like a distant. First ROUND pick, AND i also
i really do believe that as, they get healthier, they'll
GET better And I do dalan. BROOKS would certainly i
think you're thinking up. The right alley now do you trust?
HIM to play i think you could play in mine
as you view mobile as the. Five, for sure.
Speaker 2: Okay well that's. That's one option at least who's? Your
next name so it's again kind of cheating because Of
the Situation fred van leet, not playing obviously the twenty five.
Million dollar salary it's followed up by a player, option
next year also. Twenty five million presumably he's gonna. Pick that,
up but nevertheless you know that's. A big contract can
you go out and get something if you combine it,
with You Know maybe atari. Easton or whatever what? Do
they like they still have some draft, picks going in
like they they HAVE control something i don't want.
Speaker 1: To get like he also has a no the implicit no. Trade, clause,
too yeah yeah so he would. Have TO agree, but
i mean do we think he'd be. Opposed to it
where are you sending him that, that's, the thing right
because that we. Were, just talking yeah because you're if
you're a team, that's acquiring him you're not acquiring Him
To be fred VanVleet this Season or next you, Presumably,
just appreciate oh he can come off the books after
next season or we have this. Big expiring contract and
if that's the, WAY you're thinking I Just Be If,
I'm fred VanVleet i'm vetoing anything you put in.
Speaker 2: Front of, me oh really because, like you know he
knows you could date a team if you have a.
Speaker 1: Team in mind but so this is.
Speaker 2: Kind OF abstract but, i was stinking you're gonna hate,
me for this, By the way you're really. GONNA hate
me I was thinking derozen because just having another like big, wing,
ball handler creator shocked taker that might alleviate some of
the Offensive pressure On Shingon and kevin durant during, the
regular season might be allowing them to step into the
playoffs with having carried less. OF a burden i don't
know if. Him, OVERTHINKING it Yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Mean DeRozan shangoon and thompson on the same team.
Speaker 2: And The, space, FACING yeah no i realize it's IT'S
also one i, wasn't loving it but IT was one
i had. IN my mind i.
Speaker 1: Would be more maybe you could do something to where
if the other team is willing to, there's, A Wink
wink fred VanVleet declines, his player option they're willing to
sign him for another two years under. The same terms,
so if, you let's say just, as This example you're
houston and you're ready to go balls to The Wall
for trey murphy, And Oh yeah fred VanVleet doesn't want
to be on, The bell. Kids i'm sure but If
You're getting trey murphy and they're gonna give you a,
Bunch of Stuff fred, van, fleet said yeah, we'll, pay
you like we'll give you, a two year fifty million
dollars deal if you decline your PLOT or even i
mean at this point two years and forty just to
guarantee himself. THE extra whatever i think it would have
to be that. Type of scenario, AND even then i
Don't Know that van fleet's made a. TON of money
i don't know that he would accept a trade to a,
team like that which is where this. Gets, SUPER challenging yeah, i,
mean again yeah why would he Go?
Speaker 2: To the? Kings it's fair what? Is the team what
is the team that makes It? Attractive for fred and.
Speaker 1: He's he doesn't. MAKE it, enough i mean if there's,
multiple players involved then you're like three and four Team legs,
and boston says we're not putting pedal to the. Metal
this year we Want To trade anthony SIMONS. Plus salary
x You take Back. Fred van fleet it would be
useful on your team. For next season but that just
the moving parts that would need to be involved to
make It. Worthwhile for boston and then you're also this
is Predicated on does Houston Really? Want sam hausard Do They?
Want anthony simons so that kind of even it would
almost it probably be easier to strike Something. Up WITH
brooklyn but i Don't know Why fred van fleet would
accept A, trade to, Brooklyn right right so.
Speaker 2: Perhaps he was just an awful name. TO bring up
I have do?
Speaker 1: I go BIG or so i did just do A
Relatively he's dylan brooks's like. Set my mainstream here. We
Go More. Jared, Jackson jr yeah i'm gonna ask. You
a Question do the grizzlies have their franchise centerpiece on their, Team.
Speaker 2: Right now no. Not even close then what is?
Speaker 1: The end game especially knowing that even when you account
like Bi Minute Just jared jackson junior's, touches are. Down
he doesn't they're not leaning on him as much offensively.
As they were a lot of the same problems that you,
don't like, remain the. Fouling the rebounding they renegotiated, and
extended him presumably because they view him as. This tenth
pole at, the same time you don't get, to Say
this as Memphis You. TRADED desmond bane i agree that
they weren't good. Enough to win a title. Is currently
constructed you don't get to make that trade and say
that you're. All about winning now you're taking a longer
view and some curious if and. THERE are teams i
think you could get A Lot For. JARON jackson Junior
I think san antonio would be. INTERESTED in Him i
think detroit would love him like he'd be an excellent
because what are. You worried about you're. WORRIED about physicality
i guess The Rebounding, in san antonio you're not super
strong With, him and wemby but they would still be
an excellent fit together on, the defensive end.
Speaker 2: BUT they're yeah i.
Speaker 1: Mean even offensively they both can space THE floor as
i Don't Know What jaron jackson junior is necessarily Taking. Away,
From wemby.
Speaker 2: No I'm for, this spurs specifically it's the lack of
playoff success for or playoff Production RATHER for Triple j
that i'm. Slightly, CONCERNED about like i want someone who
has proven that he can step his game up. IN
the postseason.
Speaker 1: I do think would. BE another team i think that
we're in three plus first round Pick Territory With, jaron
JACKSON junior and. I don't like i think they Probably
shouldn't like chicago would appensolutely. BEING on Him i think
charlotte would maybe take a. LOOK at Him i said
detroit already he would be. Kind of interesting they don't,
Need him though i'm not even gonna. NAME that, team
I Mean would Loss would the clippers just put their
two tradable first round picks, on the table plus another
swap and then salary in there to? Go Get Him
would miami They Already Have, khalil warren bam but would they, Be,
thinking about Well We think karon Jackson junior and bam.
Make more sense milwaukee does not have the assets to do. Anything,
with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah He Like a laker sky because when you're thinking
about like The, fit alongside luca that is that has always.
Been the guy if you Want To Pair jaron jackson
junior with, someone that is Or rather giving luca like a,
real running Mate It's Been jaron jackson junior, just you know,
the six, eleven the athleticism the, three point acumen. The
rim running That Is the. Luka doncic fit but how
do you? Get him there what? Deal makes sense because
they can't offer the amount of picks and they don't have.
The young players what the hell? Is, the deal yeah
it would.
Speaker 1: BE this summer I mean unless Memphis Really, wants AUSTIN
reeves which. I don't know with him about to be,
A free agent i don't know why they. Would this
summer they can, trade twenty six, twenty thirty one and,
twenty thirty three and so if you're including swaps and
there might be more. To it There? What about Toronto
him and. Scotty could work he Could. Play with PERLE but,
if i guess if you're looking to Beef. UP the,
soulo i mean if he's your, second string five he
has to be able. To handle that if you're looking
to get, bigger and burlier That's not necessarily that's not the.
Way he plays we know that. Is There is does
utah take a, look, And, Say Hey Kessler jared Jackson
junior and lowry market in and out are our front court.
Of the future.
Speaker 2: That'd be fun. THAT'D be FUN i don't i wouldn't
hate that and think you would have to relinquish some of.
The young guys but like they have so many and,
they have picks here's an odd. One, FOR you like
i don't know how they make. The value work It
should the wolves be all In On Making jaron Jackson
Junior the. Rudy gobert replacement is there something? There?
Speaker 1: TO it man i just don't know how? You get
right they have no first round. Picks to trade so the,
answer is no if you can't promise the first round
Pick right.
Speaker 2: In dillingham like that might have been their one, chip
to play but he just doesn't. Have, the value no.
Speaker 1: Not even close what about because they got some buck
bucks Pick? Commitments, about portland.
Speaker 2: Yeah so yeah who's being sent.
Speaker 1: Out here because maybe is it a Package built around
scoot and it's if they're If They're Moving, jaron jackson
junior you Have To imagine john morant's. On, the table.
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure so they just center in the. Last
two drafts They Also, Have jeremy Grant they have denny
who's also like a three four. Still, have time lord
they had to move a lot, Of PIECES around but i.
Don't hate it like, what but again like what? IS
the deal.
Speaker 1: I think You're Probably using jeremy grant as, the primary
south which means that you're gonna have to include more
picks sort Of what when memphis made The, trade with
orlando wasn't just four first Round Picks. For desmond bane
it was what HE took on Kcp. And, col anthony.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's that's a lot of. Drafts, true relinquish yeah
is there someone is there somewhere where they, have the
picks they. HAVE the Deals i don't.
Speaker 1: So this is this IS to maybe i. Don't know
why they would just be so expensive and this WOULD
go against i feel like every way they build. Their
team Financially But, The, Pacers Haliburton Yeah, jaron jackson junior.
Speaker 2: That'd be fun how do? YOU get, there i.
Speaker 1: Mean they have picks, to give up but YOU'RE looking
At I guess Andrew Nemhart and obi toppen have to
Be the primary. Marney going out do.
Speaker 2: You give up the? Twenty six pick do, you actually
say if we give up the? Twenty six? Unprotected, oh wow.
Speaker 1: No you know They're not gonna they're not gonna do
that because they would rather. Roll the dice i'm assuming
just based Off how expensive derek or if you, get
moving forward, they're gonna say we want the shot at the.
COST controlled talent, I.
Speaker 2: Would too i would always Choose That Over. Jaron jackson
junior but if, you were saying like the price is
three first at least that's a conversation you have. Behind
closed doors.
Speaker 1: Cleveland would be an interesting team over the summer when
they have more first round. Pick equity available maybe they're
Open to Moving Garland. Or jared allen and right now
they're just so far to. The second apron you would
need a straight up Contract To Get, jared jackson junior
which they. JUST don't have I could see chicago doing
something stupid like three first Round picks and. BOOZELLIS or
something i could just see it'd.
Speaker 2: Be that would. Be, horrifyingly stupid, YES he.
Speaker 1: WOULD i would. I just don't they don't have the
money to. MAKE it work i, Mean they do but
you have, to ask yourself what's. The trade off boston,
Will be fun boston, would Be Good bost derek. WHITE is,
gone i mean can you get there without one Because
you have simon's at twenty? Seven? To five right or is?
He twenty eight twenty? SEVEN to five? I think so
i mean you're more. Than halfway there howser's, another, what,
ten twelve ten you're? At, thirty eight yeah you're, NOT
get well, i don't know. THAT'S pretty close i don't
know how many picture putting on. The table, there But
yeah so simon's at twenty seven, six plus ten you're
at thirty seven six after that shave off.
Speaker 2: Some luxury tax Stuff there. In, boston, Too.
Speaker 1: Yeah Well jared jackson junior is way more expensive. Than,
thirty seven now so.
Speaker 2: Oh, not this year. Too's thirty five this year.
Speaker 1: He's a, thirty oh, yeah, all right yeah that would
be that. Would be interesting so you could get There Without,
Trading Derek white Jailhen Brother or jason tatum if you want.
Speaker 2: Bumpus NEXT year that's i.
Speaker 1: Forgot about that that it was the RENEGOTIATION and extent
i totally.
Speaker 2: Forgot right exactly the extension of itself is, like.
Speaker 1: NEXT year right i would very much Like, HIM in,
detroit i think because you're gonna have one of duran
or is they a stewart there, after the fact you
could probably even get to the money without giving up,
either of them since he's, at thirty five so you
have your physicality element and he. Gives, you another yeah
he could, play the four he could, play the five
and then he also we know based off the past,
couple of seasons he has more self. Creation In him
that detroit might, be my favorite maybe my favorite potential.
TEAM for him i just are they willing to go
in and they have they can give you one, intriguing
young Player Whether. IT'S RON holland i I Would assume
assar thompson's, off THE table but I don't Know.
Speaker 2: I WOULD yeah so i would probably go with the
PICKS route. If i can And Then that's tobias harris
in what in terms of The salary.
Speaker 1: COMPONENT i'm including i don't think you're getting out of
that deal in part because if you don't Want to Trade,
stu or duran you're gonna HAVE to include i Think
one Of.
Speaker 2: Ivy Or holland then I'm. Probably relinquishing holland.
Speaker 1: OH that's INTERESTING i mean i guess in theory they
could just get to the. MONEY with that I mean
because harris you said twenty, six to Six And then
duncan robinson's, Sixteen point eight laverts at, Fourteen point one.
So they don't they don't if they really just Wanted
to overload, memphis, and say hey there's no, bad contracts
here they are basically you all functionally Expiring except for
lavert has that other year left. On his deal here's
salary in. All, the, BIGS yeah.
Speaker 2: HM i Do I had laurie market Impacted, for THE
pistons but. I WILL concede although i am not A
Fan Of. Jaron jackson jr the defensive upside There next
to duran with a Big. Guard Like cade if thompson
still is like on the team, after, THAT trade yeah
i mean they can get right back to their old
glory days of, that you KNOW identification or i what do?
You call it basically their identifier of being a. Defensive
first team is there enough firepower offensively on that in
that unit in? The regular, season There Is Because jaron
jackson junior in the regular season at least is a
strong score In, The play hey i'm gonna bring up, the,
same points man. Because it's real i'm not gonna sit here.
And sugarcoat it he becomes substantially worse in the. Playoffs
so far that's. What WE'VE seen so i have absolutely
no reason to sit here and be optimistic because all the.
Data points differently SO why would i go? Against the
Data but the pistons might just be the team that
could put him in like the right spot in terms
of like the offensive totem poles. Make that work you're.
Speaker 1: Betting a Lot Offensively on asar Thompson or If jade
and ivy is Still there then but what you're also
running Into is so jackson begins, His big deal kate
is already on, his big deal and then you have
to worry about during going into Free agency And jade
and ivy going into restricted free agency with Him and
aresar thompson's extension. Eligible this summer So maybe Maybe jade
and ivy just isn't going to be that, expensive to
keep and that's the rationale because. Of the injuries but
that would be the gamble, that you're making is or
maybe it's part of the logic as to why you
Try to Include jade and ivy is part of an
asset in that trade because you don't plan to. PAY
him anyway i just don't Know what memphis is interest in.
HIM would be i have No idea what. Memphis is doing,
so like there they have one of The fuzziest time
and maybe the other thing that complicates is they've just been,
friskier lately too and, so it, says, all right well
now what are? They GONNA do BUT i Love I.
LOVE cedric coward i, just Don't Know and zach edie
before he, got injured again. WAS just mountainous i just
don't look at any of their guys Now and say
i'm not building My Team Around jaron Jackson Junior. Or
cedric coward they're as. Options, TWO three sure i think
That healthy ja morant would still be their best. Center
PIECE option and i don't know that such A version
of joamorant really, exists anymore either which is. Further complicating
matters who's.
Speaker 2: Your next name so it's funny we were Talking about
THE pistons BECAUSE i was i was Thinking About to
tobias harris just in terms of as. An expiring contract.
Speaker 1: So you are so you're going against what you said.
At the top then it's where you're looking at just
PLAYERS who.
Speaker 2: Are i mean players could be as active also. For,
contractual reasons again teams that are looking to rid themselves of.
Long term money i'm not sitting, here, and Saying Oh,
package tobias harris that's probably gonna.
Speaker 1: Be the play.
Speaker 2: LET'S be real i am, asking the Question, asking questions
dan just. Wondering out loud could there Be Interest in
tobias harris asks the expiring contract that he is at
twenty six. Point six million is there some team out
there that is looking shit money this coming summer, and, are,
like okay look we need to go get a guy
who expires in that, chunk of change who isn't going
to be a part of our future that we can
get for not a lot, of you know a. Lot
of conversations so maybe someone who runs, a year longer
but it's better, and, If, SO who.
Speaker 1: WELL i think I guess what i'm having trouble wrapping
my head around is if do? You HAVE suggestions otherwise
i don't, Know What right so i'm going to have.
LIKE a again i don't. Love the spacing i'm going
to go Back to the sacramento kingswell, with THE roasten
because i really want to Roasting. Off THE kings but
i can't find a fucking Home, For Him dan so
i'm trying to squeeze HIM in, wherever i can someone
who is able to take. And make shots but, the
thing is he's just not a, three POINT shooter so
i don't. Love the fit but he can't create off.
His own accord he can't get, into the post he
can't get into the. MID range area i kind of
like the fact that you just add someone else in
there who's pretty secure also. With the ball he's not a, High,
turnover guy kate, let's be real has, some turnover issues
like perhaps a presence of the ros and negates.
Speaker 2: Some OF that but, i also see like the spacing.
Issues are real, he's oldest dirt like what is? The
vision there.
Speaker 1: What's the vision? With the rosen but it's just and
then also you as a jade and ivy GUY too
that i feel like fudges up his fit a. Little bit,
more And, then as detroit are? You being compensated it
Is because de rosen's guaranteed ten? Million next year and
do You want de rosen? On your roster If They
viewed de rosen, as an asset it's. A different story
and then you're also creating probably more of a void
in the front court as to who's the guy you
Want next to Duraan.
Speaker 2: And, Or stewart, yeah derosen smaller. THAT is true i
was thinking the talent disparity between the two would actually
be the Winning formula, for detroit here because you know
that's that's where you paid the extra ten million coming.
In next year that's why you kind of swallow that
is because you get. It talent upgrade you could also
go in, A different DIRECTION I Guess i anthony simon's
at twenty seven point six is that something just? Like,
a flame again it Goes against The jade. And ivy
Situation But, If i'm detroit i'm still looking for something more.
OF a score i understand that they do have kid
gets you a lot of points. EVERY single game i
get that still need someone who, with spacing capabilities also
need someone who can just put the ball. In the
hoop but he's also an expiring so that kind of goes.
Against that element I'm Wondering if tobias harris has value
just as an expiring contract.
Speaker 1: Or at all i'm sure he might have value as.
AN expiring contract i Just don't view detroit as a
team that's trying to take on money they, don't necessarily
like because the vision it sounds like is you're trying
To get the Pistons' Assets for, tobias harris's salary which
they would, try TO do but i think the asset
acquisition Would be not they don't want picks for taking
on a player they. Don't necessarily want they want a
Better Player, than TOBIAS harris and i would think that
they would want someone who plays his position as the
Primary Upgrade and anthony simon's And de martirow in just like.
That doesn't work if They Really wanted jeremy grant back,
for some reason they could do. SOMETHING like that i
just don't that's not going to move the, needle for them.
Speaker 2: In My Opinion if john collins had one more year,
ON his deal i think that would be.
Speaker 1: Why They have Isaiah Stewart. AND jalen duran i, JUST
don't LIKE i.
Speaker 2: GUESS i don't i don't consider neither of those those two.
Like REAL force and i also don't consider. THEM natural
Scores i think collins is grotesquely underrated. As a, score
you know he can, pick and pop he can. Pick,
and roll there there's, A lot there like he even
got like the mid, range PUSH shot and i would
just like to see. Them do Something and what i'm
also asking the question is In Terms, of tobias harris
is just what? Is his value like do you does
any team look at the biers and like trade him
for the player that he is or is it. EXCLUSIVELY
the contract i think. IT'S the.
Speaker 1: LATTER i don't i don't Even know if i'm surprised
that you even think that would. BE a debate i
guess Is really what. I'M struggling with i DIDN'T look
at i didn't look At the bias harris as someone
who has a ton, of standalone value who's been Solid.
For THE pistons and I think, as, i mean like
even if You're going From, Harris to collins harris has
way more self Creation juice than collins, in a PINCH
and so i don't know that Would help. The pistons,
either that's.
Speaker 2: Fair that's fair.
Speaker 1: Let's go to, my NEXT name and i am going
and that's probably too nuclear. For this discussion Let's Talk.
About peyton, watson oh okay headed into restricted free. Agency
This summer the nuggets are with eleven players on the,
books next year are right up Against. The second apron
Already They've. PAID christian Brown I think peyton watson's had
a really. Good season overall the three has been falling
at a.
Speaker 2: Better higher clip we've seen a little bit more of him,
on the ball we know for the most part what.
Speaker 1: HE is. DEFENSIVELY i Don't i think denver can look
at this from, a few ways but the predominant ones
would be we're not going to pay him because of
where we're at financially and who we've. Already committed to
but also do they view him as a vehicle through
whom they can get off the final Two Years of.
Zeke Nagy's contract and i've proposed this trade like, Forty
times over but is there Some Variation Of peyton watson Zeke?
Naj for iodsumu is that something. That bulls consider can
you include they have a second round pick. They could
trade does that? Get You there and I'm also just
i'm also just curious as to what would be. THAT
is there i think a lot of teams would Take,
flyers on watson but because there is so little competition
in restricted free, agency these days would teams place slightly
more value than, Normal, on knowing oh we get this
guy and we basically get to negotiate with him not
having to deal with other suitors because that's JUST not how,
rfa works anymore to where it's, not just yeah you
do have, to pay him so that's part, of the
calculus but you're not worried about him going into the
open market like like just. A bigger name i'm trying
to think of like an Unrestricted Free, like tobias harris
your favorite god mard it was going to be an,
unrestricted free agent could SiGe. Wherever YOU want.
Speaker 2: It's i love that framing in terms of does he
actually have more trade value because he's going to be a?
Restricted free agent because that.
Speaker 1: Was definitely then more if he was going TO be a? Usa?
Speaker 2: For, sure, right, Sure yes yes but that it's funny
because that wasn't the thinking, five, years ago right AND
then the, rfa markets died and it's interesting to see
how now that type of situation can be viewed. AS
an asset i think that's incredibly interesting just for like
the structure of the league moving forward and in terms.
Of Decision making so i've always loved The idea Of yadussum.
IN denver always i think that is like his primary
Landing Spot. For peyton, watson that's man do you ever
really want to go big wing for real sort of
half Undersized Guard.
Speaker 1: When, spencer jones exists maybe are a little bit more.
Open to, It.
Speaker 2: Fair enough he's just he's, Intriguing.
Speaker 1: To, me watson yeah which is if Your stance as,
denver is no we're, NOT doing that. I, totally understand
yeah but are you going? To pay him because there's
no Just you, could let's say let's say there's a
team that just Willing To. Take zeke nashi you're not
escaping the second apron next, year that way because you
still need to fill. Out Your Roster, and peyton watson
i'm assuming is going to get more than twelve. Million,
A Year yeah so i'm just curious as to they
they've been willing to pay their own guys, in the
past but if, they sign him it sort of, makes me,
wonder all right maybe they're gonna stay second apron, for?
Next year right or is there another type of not
sell off but or are they deciding? To move, On,
is it oh we're just not, gonna You Know what's
cam johnson's value now? After this YEAR i'm just i
have a Tough Time, Imagining Cam, johnson Peyton Watson and
christian brown all Being on the nuggets. Beyond this season.
It's the Moment i'm just i'm probably just Zeroing In
on PEYTON watson because i, it's BUT yeah it's i
don't think all three of those Guys are in. Denver
next Season and if watson's the guy that's not, gonna
be there are you comfortable letting him? Walk for nothing
is this a situation where you pay him and then
you're just confident that you could move him before the
twenty twenty seven draft if you're looking to get out of,
the second apron are you just maybe they're open to
paying the second? Apron NEXT year don't i? Don't like
that would it? Would surprise me but it. Wouldn't SHOCK
me if i would assume what had been on, A
longer deal i would have. Pulled the trigger the fact
that he's going to. Be to understood do you think He's,
gonna cast well if You're Getting, off zeke dash he's deal, in,
the process though that's also part. Of, the value, yeah that's.
Speaker 2: Right that's fair that is fair BECAUSE that was i
like the deal. OF the time i do, not like
it noubt that was just. That was bad who do
you think gets more? In Free agency PEYTON watson or
I Would ASSUME probably am i really? GOING to, Say,
I ow yeah, i Probably Am because, peyton watson, is
you know a, restricted free agent so he's, gonna be RIGHT.
Speaker 1: That's a i do still, THINK that positionally i think
it'll End. Up being WATSON but if i were, Running
a team i'm probably willing to. Pay, right now anyway
if you See something, IN watson's upside i think he
could do even more. On the ball if he's in,
a different setting maybe you're maybe you're willing to pay.
Him Bowloads more but. I'M with you I just think
i'm with, you in thought, BUT in Practice I think
peyton watson will be the player with. A.
Speaker 2: HIGHER isolation yeah i think THAT'S reasonable because i, mean
big Wings especially, to WAKE guys which i think you
Can Argue that peyton watson is a two way player,
at this point at least unless this season. IS an
outlier i guess, we'll find out but that just should
be a little. Bit more interesting?
Speaker 1: Is this enough and it kind of steps on the
toes of WHAT would be i think we're some, of
my Candidates so maybe i'll throw them. Up on here
but If you put watson your second round pick and
your second round pick, on The table maybe watson straight
up you have to figure out a way to make.
The money work does That get you Any Of the
utah jazz guards, might be Interesting Like if isaiah collier
was Your Backup or keyante george. WAS your Backup I
think keante george is probably played yeah Too well by.
Marge THIS season But I mean peyton watson and that
second Or Is it peyton watson in a Swap To,
get keyante george who only has another hero left on?
His rookie scale do you think he Could? Play with
murray that would be, An open question But, they have
collier THEY also have i don't think that this is
what they want out. Of that Spot but Like Shaie
m kay luke has been. Fantastic this season You Also
have bryce sensaba's roles been a little all. OVER the
Place I think will hardy has done a good job
like finding ways to get a lot of. These guys
minutes but there's a very Clear Because there's walter CLAYTON'S
there and i mentioned His feet And, Bryce Sen, Sibah Isaiah.
Collier kyante GEORGE that's why i Also view the.
Speaker 2: Jazz as guards i'm just looking at the, guards, and
saying oh is there some?
Speaker 1: Trade possibilities here.
Speaker 2: The fact that you Even Bring up keyante george. DOES surprise,
ME i mean i understand he's playing for, a bad
team but twenty four four and seven getting to the
line ALMOST time game.
Speaker 1: I DON'T grant and i actually when we did our,
TRADE value DRAFT i Think I drafted keyantay george with
my last pick because MY rationale is i think he's
been really, good, this season Right and If, I'M the
jazz i want no part of paying him to run my.
OFFENSE moving forward i think if your plan is to,
keep lowry market and if It's To. KEEP walker kessler
i don't know that Being In the kyante george business
makes sense financially, or really functionally and IT would be
i think it would be. A lot different i was
So high on kiante after his first year if he
was a more effective pull up jump SHOOTER to where
i think it's there's there's a trade, off, between having
oh look at what he can do away, from the
ball but you also if he's. Running your offense the
passing has gotten so much. Better this year, the decision,
making the, Passing it's great but he's about to be
extension eligible and where are you at in? Your competitive
timeline so that's it was a cell High from the
JAZZ is how. I view it I Don't view peyton watson,
as selling high which is why he wouldn't. Be the
name but if you Are Committed, to keyante George You
know Peyton Watson, for isaiah collier is that or either?
Of THESE teams Considering I think peyton watson's probably the.
More valuable archetype collier Remains turnover bron but when that dude,
gets downhill man?
Speaker 2: Can? He? Pass yeah yeah what is what is the
trade value in A Vacuum. For keance george do, you think.
Speaker 1: SO here's one. I threw out anyone who listened, to
that episode shout out For. Sticking with, Hardmorox but also
i'm sorry. For repeating myself is? There something too maybe
there needs to be a lower end, first of All
But like Tari Eastan, FOR kyante George.
Speaker 2: I love tari and that that almost feels Low considering
what george is.
Speaker 1: Doing right now so what If it, was houston says
here's a shitty first Round Pick and tari.
Speaker 2: Easton, that's cci yeah that's. That's, JUST swallow yeah i.
LIKE the framework i do. Like the framework that's.
Speaker 1: Not bad that my thought, process was though is there
a team you could get? First round, equity and look
if jazz fans want to sit HERE and say, I would,
rather i mean If You're, getting tari easton you need
to have the Discussion, If you're utah but if you're
sitting here as, a JAZZ fan and i think that
you're right in saying we want a mid end first
round pick for someone who might be As Good as
keyanta george, is right now if not probably worse. THAN
he's playing i think. THAT'S totally Fair i just utah's
in such a weird spot they're gonna have to lose
their way out of giving this, year's draft pick which
is not a position that they want it. To Be
in so i'm, just asking questions but it doesn't have.
To be him what is The Does does isaiah collier have?
Any trade? Value could you and? What do you because
if You're Trusting, in keyante george. They've been wised you
can Find Ways again isaiah. Collier in minutes but what
is the just sort of what's the end game with?
Your backcourt? Rotation mm hmm what is.
Speaker 2: The back what is the end game with the? Entire,
roster situation FRANKLY that's.
Speaker 1: What i think that's a, totally, Fair question right.
Speaker 2: It's. A good question, it's it's interesting like where those
the trade value lies there because it's so difficult to
gauge players who Are doing what george is doing on such,
a BAD scene Like i don't.
Speaker 1: And also the on off numbers. Are, not pretty no,
but that's again is that a symptom of the situation
or is it something that they. SHOULD READ into i
i more so am incredibly encouraged by the. WAY he
PLAYED i just i hate. Getting, into this well look
at what he's gonna cost, after next season or you
do you Want To pay quillante george fifteen to twenty
percent of the salary cap if you don't know that
you're going. TO be good i don't view him as
that type of a pillar that's just.
Speaker 2: Famous fifteen percent if it starts, at FIFTEEN percent and
i have like a contract that, just stays flat so
the cap percentage goes, DOWN every year i wouldn't be against, it,
fifteen percent.
Speaker 1: Right and that feels, that feels low right if he's,
playing like this, no, or, yeah, yeah, No no.
Speaker 2: No but like we've. Seen it before we have, seen
you know shorter guards get a little shafted in terms of.
LIKE fair, FAIR i mean i know that he's got
more on Ball, chops than, canton so obviously but.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should look at it. Through this perspective his
max salary in an extension would and he's not getting it.
IF he does i have, lots, of questions right see
forty four, point four million what? Is the number and
we could put a percentage of the salary cap, to
that season which right now is projected to be when
it kicks in one hundred and seventy seven point. SIX
million dollars i think the dollar. Figure, helps contextualize okay
would he be willing to just take fifteen percent of,
the salary cap which Is That's like anthony simon's money twenty.
SIX to six i probably Do, that from utah.
Speaker 2: That is That Is actually spias harris money twenty, six
point six just saying he's not a, smaller guard though
it's trying to, find a good good.
Speaker 1: Com for, That that's yeah now thirty if, you go
twenty that's thirty five. Point, five, million.
Speaker 2: Yeah no that? FIFTEEN season one i what's twelve? Point?
Five percent then is that that? Seems MORE reasonable? What
i mean maybe maybe that's just maybe it's just straight
on one one hundred million over, four years straight, like twenty,
five twenty five twenty five. To twenty five so.
Speaker 1: You're hovering a little, below, fifteen percent yeah of. The salary,
cap and look if he's going, TO sign THAT i
guess i just the number sounds, like a lot but
when you're contextualizing it, Against the percentages i'm wondering if
he even signs a four for, one, Hundred, Extension.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah see sir who do? You have next so,
my last name my very Last Name. Is Mitster robinson
so i'm, wondering because again like the expiring contract, of
it all like he's become pretty crucial when he's, on
the floor because he is their, primary interior, defender You
know because towns is. JUST not that i think he's
had a really. GOOD year defensively i think the shot,
selection as, always you know, around the rim that is
such a huge opportunity for him and And for the.
Nakes at large he still. Blocks three pointers he's still
one of those. VERSATILE athletic defenders i love what he
does give You. On the knicks but is he going
to look? Elsewhere this summer because, if He is the
knicks are not really in the position to go out and.
Find a replacement so do you use that contract right
now to go out and find someone on a longer
term deal?
Speaker 1: IF you could i guess the problem is they. Don't
have value that's. A good name i would disagree strongly
that he is still an athletic defender and has been good.
DEFENSIVELY this year i think he's starting to. Get better
now but he was pretty inconsistent and rough. For a
while if he's going to continue to shoot free throws
the way he's been shooting in the, past few games
then he's a. Lot, MORE valuable yeah i think what
you run into WITH him that i don't think we
ran into with any of your other expiring contract guys
is this feels like a classic case of he's more
Valuable to the knicks than any team could comp and
say them, for right now because if, you trade him
who is the longer term solution that? You're going after
People Have. SAID daniel Gafford I think daniel gafford's more
likely to get played off the floor in certain playoff
Matchups Than. A mitchell robinson and you're also You're fundamentally
the knicks are so against certain teams just with the
physicality you could still play with in, the offensive rebounding
you are kneecapping a huge part. OF your identity i
share all your same concerns about what are you gonna
pay this guy as the team, Gets MORE expensive but
i also think that's kind of it could work to
your advantage, in free agency because who's the team that
wants to dedicate cap space to someone who probably can't
play both heads of. Back to backs you're never really
able to play him over twenty five. Minutes A game
the knicks have had him on this maintenance. Program all
season it's it's a. REALLY good name i just struggle
to find the team that should say and then what are?
You going after because, you said it you do need
to get a big Man Just because gershon yabusel Has
been awful towns is not The Interior defender ariel hukporti's
not there yet and who knows if he. Ever will
be are you downgrading because you're getting someone who's on a.
Longer term deal is there is someone going to come
in and be as valuable to You Permanent? As mitchell
robinson or are you making it from a he's cost
controlled moving forward and we know that his availability is
going to be a little bit. More, in check.
Speaker 2: Yeah there isn't like a one player who just, jumps,
To mine right and that's that's the challenge, of it,
all man like could?
Speaker 1: You, DO something, Yeah i Guess Let's say mitchell Robinson
and pacom nattier For money the wizard's second round pick
this year? And next year Does that Get eves Me
Si and Sadik Bay.
Speaker 2: From new orleans, IF it does i am pulling. THE
trigger immediately.
Speaker 1: I THINK it's a i think it's a Conversation for
the Knicks Just but mitchell robinson is Way Better. Than
Eve's mecI but eves. Meci's so cheap he'll do some
of the offensive rebounding. Stuff for sure, he's so young
like he's going to. Improve as. Well like That that's
why i'm baking that in. And so deep but because
the other Problem with the knicks is they have we're
getting into his reveering into territories where it's you're trying
to upgrade a position that shouldn't actually be a, problem
in theory and it's become problematic one because, or not
problematic but something to circle Because Of the gershon yaboucelli.
Performance this year but they they could. USE another wing
i know everyone wants them to get another backup. Ball
handler too and if you Don't Believe, in tyler, kohlich
then yeah sure they need. That as well and so
addressing a problem that really shouldn't be a problem? Is
also okay is this taking because if You're including the
Wizard's Pick with mitchell ROBINSON, to get x you're not addressing.
The Other One so sadik bay would be he's not
defensively what you want as, a bigger wing but it's six,
seven sixty eight. Can shoot threes THAT would be i think.
IT'S a conversation i think it's more. OF a conversation
i don't think it's a no brainer. For either side
my guess Would Be that new orleans would, probably say
no just Because You, Have derek queen why Do You.
Want mitchell robinson you're doing that deal because you believe
In What the washington wizard's sucking and what do You. Like,
PACOM dottie, so i mean Of course the pelicans would be.
Declining that deal they need, to send, out you know
a first round or to get, the whole thing you
attach something to. Make, it, work yeah, YEAH so yeah
i do think you're right that. That's A deal the
knicks are probably more likely to say yes To. Than
the PELICANS another name i would have for us, to
con say.
Speaker 2: HOW spicy do i want? To be here give me
a level of nuclear between, one and ten absolutely. Top
level nuclear give me the hottest, Shit, You Have, Okay draymond,
green oh okay? That is? NUCLEAR all right i.
Speaker 1: Just If, you're the warriors AND it's not, i, think
that well. Maybe he does he probably does have more
Trade Value, than jonathan comenica even though he's over. A
decade older If, you're the, warriors and see if you
sit Here as the, warriors and say we had, a
great run we're just gonna be kind of sort of
relevant and interesting and that's just. What we are we're not.
Going all in but if your idea is to actually
win Another, title with steph you have to have the
conversation of is it time to Move On? From Draymond
Green because, jonathan kaminga's money. He's more value he's to,
me right now you Correct me. If i'm wrong there's,
probably he's younger there's still some upside there and the
team option flexibility for. His next team but also it's
a number that's like large enough that you can envision
being able to keep. Him moving forward his value is predominantly.
From that flexibility, though, IT'S not Oh I need jonathan kamega.
ON my team i think he's, a building block so what?
Can you do and also he's just not expensive enough
to get you in the names for some of the
hottest guys that, are out there and so If You
put draymond green, ON the table i don't know if
he's bringing you back a. Ton of value maybe if
he's going to. A third team but now this opens
up all sorts of different matching Opportunities To where Draymond
green versus kaminga is just a difference or are you
attaching them together when you're looking at the money and
then you're throwing like Your Picks a brandon pajemski, on
The table but green's at twenty five nine And That's
with jonathan kaminga at twenty. Two to five so you're
really looking at almost fifty million dollars in money that
you're able to send, out that way plus whatever. Else
you'd attach is that Worth Going me anthony davis route
or just something like is that again it could be
a different player and there's just more teams and. Moving
parts Involved but If i'm The warriors and i'm serious
about reopening my TITLE window because i think, IS currently
constructed i don't even know that they have lightning in
a bottle potential once they get, To the postseason i'd.
Argue probably not that's the move that you have to.
Start thinking about and it's not even so, much about
well Look at what draymond could get us so much
as well we need. More matching money and, at this
point if you're consolidating into a Star, someone Like mo
this moody might be more important to you just from
a salary, and fit Perspective because with draymond there's a
lot of. The bigger thing because. THE money's fine i don't,
mind the money. It's the fit the complications of, you're already,
wondering all right how many minutes can we get away
With Him and jimmy? Butler playing together and if you
add in another non shooters that Have To be quentin
post if you, want a five well it can it
ever be like a Few Minutes? With al horford and
if you're gonna go Out And get anthony davis, or
another big if that Big Is not miles Turner Or,
healthy christops porzingis those questions kind. Of, BECOME exacerbated.
Speaker 2: Yeah i love your point that it's as a salary
Piece and not raymond. IN enough itself i think that
is such. A Crucial difference. The davis thing Do we
trust davis? In this situation do we trust that he
is going, to be healthy is going to? Be good
enough is going to turn them into, that title contender
to give them that life push that is. Going to
be my question also is do you have The backing
of steph on this because that sue is, Going, to,
matter like well that's.
Speaker 1: A first step i think it's, An EITHER or and
i don't know if Maybe it's not davis then but
if they ever wanted to Get into the yaanna sweepstakes
where they're throwing every pick pods, on the table You
Almost need Draymond Green or jimmy butler to go out
in that deal to make. The math work if they
wanted to Get In On.
Speaker 2: Jaron, jackson, junior yeah yeah, You need both. YOU need, both,
i Mean look the kuminga deal was always made with
the mindset of. Getting moved, LATER that relationship i still
presume has to. Be over right have we seen, Anything,
THAT is like i.
Speaker 1: Think the only reason that it wouldn't end as soon
as he's eligible to be traded or at Least by
the february, fifth trade deadline is that there's no, deal
out there more So than the warriors believe that this.
Speaker 2: Could, be. Salvaged, Yeah exactly yeah and for. HIS sake
TOO i think i think that chip is in. For both,
parties it's look. It's a gamble i'm not gonna sit
here and say it's. Not a gamble and If, it's
For david like davis at least, THERE'S a vision i
get it like that if He's healthy Alongside, steph and jimmy,
OH my god i mean that that. Would be ridiculous
you have like, the primary guard you have, the primary
wing you have. The primary pig that's that's always like
a really strong. Starting point dream, you know, What, Screw
it yeah i'm. Gonna do it i'm. Gonna do it
what what what is the ultimate like? Or not ultimate
do you attach? Something else here do you attach graft
compensation or do you, just say no these, Are the
players like you're getting a younger player because cominga is
basically the value that You're getting for dallas, with.
Speaker 1: The caveat we know that there needs to be other
moving parts Because of Both Dallases and golden. States Salary
situat because davis is at fifty, FOUR point One I
think golden state needs to be the. TEAM that, Said
i mean draymond only has a year left on his
deal though he's a player option for next season at twenty. Seven,
to seven wow this that. CAME up quickly i feel
like he just. SIGNED his extension I think the warriors
have to include there's at least a first round pick
in there in addition to. Other. SALARY parts yeah i
think that's. Pretty pretty clear and then they're PROBABLY hoping
are i don't know if You're, if you're Dallash You're
hoping draymond green declines his player option or are you
hoping he picks it up and then maybe you could
reroute him for additional, value next season or are you're
trying to be good Top Draft Pick cooper, flag kyrie's Back.
You have draymond.
Speaker 2: It's A good like draymond would be a Nice. MENTOR for,
FLAG i mean i gotta. GIVE him that i, Part.
Speaker 1: Of me I'm wondering if i'm Overthinking this because i'm
getting a mayan More Hesitance from golden state's part because
of something you mentioned where it's are you willing to
deal with the emotional fallout Right Of? Moving raymond green
and then The Payoff, is anthony davis who's just the
mother of all question, marks as.
Speaker 2: Well right and that's probably the crux of the matter
is that, THAT fan Base i swell steph is like
they're gonna want someone who's more what's? The word safe
is that a fair word?
Speaker 1: To use here but it's also just like who is
the Because, aside FROM giannis who i don't think either
of us believes is truly gonna get traded this season
unless he finally. Asked for it rather than saying his
agents are going rogue apparently since that's something that, agents definitely.
Do they don't that was sarcasm for anyone who, cannot
detect it like Who is the like what are?
Speaker 2: You hoping?
Speaker 1: For is it and what are you waiting for? Your
Offers For as golden state could probably get more attractive,
in the offseason but who? Is the name If it's
not yannis That You're waiting anthony Davis is Probably We
Mentioned jared, jackson Junior AGAIN but i'm i don't see
like the other because we Could Talk, about trey murphy
we Could Talk, about derek white but The issue THAT
grant and i RAN into is i don't know what's
more Likely That a Derek White or Trey Murphy turns
golden state, into a contender or you catch lightning at
A Bottle with anthony davis and he turns you in
or get you back. TO title contention i Think it's the, davis, outcome, still.
Speaker 2: YEAH yeah no i. Agree with that do you think
there's a lesser deal to be made that could get
them back into sort of, That that mindset like this
is just off the top of my head because that
this was just something that was a framework that was discussed,
over the Summer like A kuminga. For Vooch deal like vouch,
obviously is, older he's, not you know as good as you,
used to be but he's. A floor spacer he can
pass from the High post like horford, Seems done right
like when he's playing that that just does not look
Great at least vooch. Is productive efficient is? That so anything.
Speaker 1: If they want to make a move like that and
just they want to be Washed of the, JONATHAN cominga
situation i. Totally understand it but that's not.
Speaker 2: Watching, this team.
Speaker 1: YEAH that's just i was. Gonna ask you i'll. Pose
this question do You Think that Derek White, or trey
murphy if they were in theory able to trade for
them even does it because if the answer is, no
for them the answer IS.
Speaker 2: No, for fooj yeah, You're you're. Right You're Right, LIKE
trey murphy i think could. MOVE the needle.
Speaker 1: I think he, Moves THE needle but i find do
you think that he brings enough? Alternative on ball that's
still the struggle with their Winning The minute jimmy Butler
plays without steph but it is not because of their.
Offense AT all and.
Speaker 2: I Don't you think tray? Has? GOTTEN better.
Speaker 1: Oh i do i'm just wondering is it ENOUGH because
he's i think you could argue the package you need
to give Up To. Get anthony davis it's going to be,
less on balance more, salary for sure but you're gonna
have to include at least two first Round picks for.
Tramer AT least and i would probably say over to
take the over if we set it at two.
Speaker 2: And, a, half, Okay yeah yeah so you're basically saying
we get the, higher upside, guy you know basically the
guy who is better at a. Cheaper price point but
obviously we'd attack on the risk of, him not playing
which is the entire right would.
Speaker 1: TRADING for Him i think i'd almost be more intrigued
just because of. THE pick equity i think if You
Could get derek white for two first round picks versus
what it's going to Take To, GET trey murphy i
think that intrigues Me More, as golden state where do you?
Land on?
Speaker 2: That you KNOW so He's I. LIKE derek white i
think given the three point identififier, that they've gotten or
the shot volume that he's gotten From, three in boston
because of their insane focus, on that shot insane in,
a good way that would just make him such a
Smooth Fit. In golden state like he can, play on,
ball off ball you can have him guard. ONE through
three i want to say the defense alone is. Gonna
lift you he Can, play with jimmy he Can. Play
with steph the. Versatility THERE'S great am i wrong for
thinking they still need to solve something? Big?
Speaker 1: BAN wise yeah i THINK there's a i think there's
a whole bunch of stuff they need. TO solve now
i think also if your argument is that when you
look at kind of the players, who Are Emerging Will Will,
richard pat spence they're all. On the perimeter, SO for
sure i think you could. Make that case but the
Names aside from davis who, are OUT there then I
Don't think chris tops you. Need SOMEONE more if i
want to, Bet on Reliability i'm taking davis eleven times. Out,
OF ten. Yeah i see and The other thing i've
Run into is i've seen Some People suggest nick claxton
defensively a monster has shown them some of the passing
this year has. Popped With Him has golden state ever
made a big man like that? Work for them have
they had?
Speaker 2: Someone, Like Him well.
Speaker 1: James, Wiseman Flames out even jonathan kaminga someone who is
not the intuitive like motion. Type, of guy defensively he's
just there's No Questions. About nick claxton it feels like
they're Only able to they need decision making bigs or
kind of a floor spacing big Like That's why quinton
post can work. Out for them at least that's what
they seem To. Prefer under kerr and we've yet LIKE
even Just I know jonathan kamenka is not a big
but it's some of the, same mindset too to where
he doesn't fit the core Tenants Of what golden. State
stands for and if he wasn't able to evolve into
a fit he. Just Hasn't worked and i'm not saying
he was Good Enough for golden state, to adapt around
but it's Just the question i've had in the back.
Speaker 2: Of, my mind yeah that's. A good question i Think Highly.
OF nick claxton i think his his on court intelligence
is at that level where he will. Find A way
but i understand, what you're saying like they need to
find someone who is a fit. For this system everything
Is sailed around steph. More, or less like if there's
any concern whatsoever that this player would be a poor Fit,
next to steph you immediately cross that name off the
list and. Go Moving on snick laxton? On that list
is he being? Crossed off there.
Speaker 1: If it's just costing you, kaminga, AND salary right i probably. Roll.
The dice yeah the other name that's Been Bandied. About
miles turner.
Speaker 2: He can shoot and he can. Defend the rim he's not,
a great rebounder but like who is. On that scene,
Really he's big he's got a little bit of a mid,
range game two so you. CAN'T step out i. Wouldn't
hate that what's what's what was the deal He? Signed
in milwaukee was that like. At twenty seven.
Speaker 1: He's also the three point he's at thirty seven point
eight per said it from three all the seasons. That's
come up he's not shooting as well in his. PAST
whatever games i think he's subbed thirty three.
Speaker 2: Three.
Speaker 1: Million, this year Yeah, so, It's jonathan like i'm not
giving up a pick for him. At This Point. It's
jonathan cominga and and to be, to be Fair why
is milwaukee doing would you give Up A pick jonathan
camega a pick and a small Salary To get Miles Turner?
Is golden state, and THEN also can i, ask another
question if you're gonna, do that now why didn't you
do it four years ago when you were First Link.
To miles turner we're gonna wait until he's more expensive
and probably, not as good and now we're gonna get
up right now.
Speaker 2: We're, getting it, Yeah that's fair. THAT is, fair i
Mean if it's Kuminga, going to milwaukee at least that's somewhat.
Interesting to me because. You get younger are you.
Speaker 1: Selling that to yannis or is it now you're, saying
it's yeah, we got, younger more Athletic and now jannis.
You're OUR center.
Speaker 2: Oh i forgot that we have. To, SELL everything no.
I hear you. THAT makes sense i mean you do
get like an additional scorer and someone who's acts, around
the rim someone who puts pressure, on the Defense like
is giannest smart enough. TO see that i don't know
the answer. TO that question i don't know if he
if he prefers like the older veterans that he've always
been accustomed, to being around And He's.
Speaker 1: Maybe jericho sims is, his best Friend And getting jericho
sims more playing time will be, the, Tipping, point right.
Speaker 2: God THAT'S depressive well, I would yeah i would Probably
Go the miles Turner Round If, i'm GOLDEN state but i.
WOULDN'T love, it i yeah.
Speaker 1: Two more bigs that's. BRING him mind i was actually
gonna name check him, as a candidate but we'll just talk.
About him here, but nas reed you could get there's
probably a, third team involved but you can, give up
picks And that allows minnesota to do other things that
they can't do right now because they.
Speaker 2: Don't have picks love, the offensive fit not sure about. The?
Defensive fit whatsoever? DOES it matter. I don't know I.
Speaker 1: Think If draymond and jimmy are staying as.
Speaker 2: Part, of, that, yeah yeah yeah If that's, The kuminga
trade i'm. Open to that i'm open to It like
A kamenka nas re.
Speaker 1: Swap YOU need like I don't Like kaminga and minnesota,
at all Though and so i'm Doing It if I'm
Minnesota because golden state's, giving me Picks and then, i'm
sending like who's the Team that wants kaminga enough that
is get because if you're what? If, you're getting okay.
Here We Go so jonathan Kminga goes to Chicago and
then i'm assuming a pick would, go there Too and
then Chicago Is sending Kobe white to minnesota. PLUS other,
stuff i mean or you could you game it so
that you're also don't Do you want Boochs? Backing up gobert,
you probably don't but you could get like You could
get ioh as part Of You get jaylen smith as part.
Of that, DEAL. I'm sure Mh.
Speaker 2: So what chicago Ends up WITH kuminga.
Speaker 1: And I Think so, From minnesota's PERSPECTIVE i'm, basically i
Mean we're the bulls will do whatever we. TELL them
too i feel like it's so Team if you're minnesota
and you're Giving up nas reed and the Primary Return,
is kobe white plus we need to fill. That in
now is that? Enough for you looking to you need.
More than that they so desperately. Need another, GUARD so
yeah i would. DO that, absolutely, I would yes and
you could probably have your pick then of Just like the,
bulls is expiring so you might If you Want Io
And dora tray jones as, part of that you could
throw that in, there as well.
Speaker 2: If you get more Guard heavy in minnesota and you
stand a chance of resetting some of those guys in
the summer using the money that you got off Of the. Nos,
read stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah my primary knock would be you really need an
Air Apparent. To rudy gobert but my counter That Would
be johan berenjay is going To be A. Hall of
famer but my actual counter, TO that is i think
you're still running into the same issue Even if nos
reed IS on your I love nas reed AND this isn't.
I hate suggesting i. Know his sister that was so
tragic over. The off seas i'm just looking at this
from a. Basketball financial perspective. It's nothing more i'm not
trying to crap ON and he's i just. DON'T think
defensively i don't views as an air apparent at, the
center position and, IF you Do i think minnesota needs
to change the context of what's in FRONT of him
a Great deal like, jadeen and sure but you need
to build out the image of your team at those.
Other two Spots if nas reed is going to, be,
YOUR five yeah i.
Speaker 2: AGREE with that i have some other.
Speaker 1: Names if you will want to, get To them but
i'm going to need. Levels, of nuclear again you just
said as, nuclear as, POSSIBLE so well i DON'T know
if i have anybody. Who's that, NUCLEAR let's, say, i
guess well this Is, Semi nuclear Okay Toronto with Emmanuel Quickly.
AND yaka purdle i think that the name that's been
mentioned the most is a trade candidate FOR.
Speaker 2: Them.
Speaker 1: Is rj barrett and is it a coincidence that they STARTED.
Sucking once rj? BARRETT got injured i. Honestly don't know
that's Not the perspective i'm coming. At this from but
if you're looking to upgrade the, big man rotation can
you feasibly do That And, keep yakka pearle who's now
dealing with, a back injury you go out and get,
a backup big but just how meaningful? Does it be
and if you want to, SWING even higher i think
YOU could still i know fans aren't feeling good, about
THAT contract but i think you could Still Argue that
emmanuel quickly is still maybe more important to. Making everything
Work and SO i'm just i Don't know what toronto's
gonna do, with the deadline because they're also within eight
hundred thousand dollars, OF the attacks i could see them ducking.
It as well i'm. Just so fascinated and also they
have a LOT of guys i like who aren't what
you would, Consider CORE members but i, find, myself wondering
oh are they actually deep enough if they're trying to
be this. Serious playoff team so those were just the
two Names, where it's okay we know they're Not, gonna
move scotti we know they're Not. Gonna move ingram EVERYONE'S. Talking, about,
Rj barrett, right but like is? There a name they've
Been Linked to anthony davis, a little bit they've Been.
Linked to sabonis does that get you Thinking about moving
yakapurtol almost has to be Part Of any, anthony DAVIS
trade so i would Say. Ditto for sabonis but do
any of the names that have been linked to get
you to think about moving one of? These? Two guys.
Speaker 2: Uh? One, of them yes. Two of.
Speaker 1: THEM PROBABLY not i i didn't mean at, THE same
time i just met.
Speaker 2: It, in general, Yeah like quickly i'm not really keen
ON trading unless i get like a primary, playmaker pack
honestly because who is going to take that responsibility full
time if you ship him out for like a Pig
man that i'm not Insanely, Enthusiastic ABOUT pearle like i
just wonder what the hell his trade value is because
of the extension that's gonna kick in, In, twenty seven like
that's a lot of money coming in suddenly on the,
Books as well like he is locked in for four years.
After this year is he thirty already or he's about,
To turn thirty so you're basically going to pay him
a shit ton of cash when he's. STARTING to decline
i would assume that makes him not that interesting on.
The trade MARKET or am i? BEING too Harsh i.
Speaker 1: Don't if you put yaka pertl on the block, IN
a vacuum i don't know that there would be a
TON of interest i think as a movable contracts as
part of a bigger deal that he. Is, EVIDENTLY relocatable
okay i would share your safe concerns about trading a
guard to go for a big even If you trust
Scottie and brandon ingram to set up a ton. Of
your Offense They like emmanuel quickly is still just the
guy who is leading this, team in assists so that.
That CERTAINLY matters and i so that's a good point
about IF you, can't I mean maybe dallas would be
More interested, in quickly though if They Were, moving anthony
davis that would be. Something to consider and perhaps you
just view it, as all right he's six point four.
Assist per Game look what jamal shed can do. On
his drives And we have scotti And were brandon ingram
And if j barrett is, healthy And so but toronto
fascinates Me. Like SOMETIMES morbithy so i don't KNOW what
they i don't know what they. SHOULD be doing i
get the need because they want some extra heft and
more Of A River. Dendron anthony davis there would be.
That'd be fun it's just what are You giving it's
yaka pertl and who else is? The matching Salaries, IT'S him.
Barrett i guess and then what's the young piece are?
You Giving up jacoby walter who's been very important to?
Them this year how many picks are? You Including his
calinmary boyles on the table, in that scenario we BOTH. Love.
Speaker 2: Some cmb yeah would he Make sense in Dallas Thanks
TO cooper flag i think there's a lot of overlap
Between Those, Two.
Speaker 1: Calm, Mariy but well i'm just as, a value Perspective,
if you're dallas you're just trying to Get everything MET toronto, HAS.
Speaker 2: I mean i would Definitely Go the peartal barrett route
as opposed To like quickly Perle route if i'm GOING,
for A d because i would kind of want TO
pair a. D with quickly i, MEAN that's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, i, agree yeah yeah unless you're thinking are we
going out? And getting another but then you're talking about, other,
Moving parts.
Speaker 2: RIGHT and like I respect what jamal she can do
as just in terms of. Like a playmaker the efficiency
is not where it needs to be at. This current
point he is.
Speaker 1: A DEFENSIVE maniac though i appreciate that she is.
Speaker 2: Like HE'S there am i wrong in saying there's like
A Smidge over sean rondo in, him at times like,
just the, defense the playmaking. But the.
Speaker 1: Offense that's interesting he JUST find he I feel like
i can't see it because he plays at such a
Different cadence.
Speaker 2: Than, rondo, Did, Yeah right no i'm, not saying aesthetically
but just in terms of like, Strengths of weaknesses like
there there isn't this uh. SORT of identity i want
to say in, his scoring game he.
Speaker 1: Almost feels, more identity. Wise not esthetically what that clear
Almost Feels more kyle lowry. Esque to me.
Speaker 2: Oh, That's Interesting okay.
Speaker 1: Kyle lowry was always, a better shooter but remember for
so long the knock on him was he wasn't, efficient, enough,
Either right yea and.
Speaker 2: Then something he just became a Knocked DOWN an.
Speaker 1: All, nba player man what a career.
Speaker 2: That would be that would be. A wild story does
do you like them as any of the other bigs
That have been are They a? Good? Claxton Team good
so bonus is out now for another four, to FIVE
weeks so i don't know what, that WOULD do but
i wouldn't see. THE thing is i wouldn't even like
the BONUS there because i do, think they, need you.
KNOW room, defense, i yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah he would he would honestly make more sense if
you were trading quickly because he you, now, you know
okay we have guys that can just. Run our offense but.
That's not right, you're, getting bigger, earlier more physical but
you're not. Solving or not you're not adding defensively where
you want to head. For Sure, Exactly nick claxton that's
it feels like he fits. The raptor's motif? Are you here, here's,
the conundrum though who do? You give Up In a
Nick Klapen like anthony david's is easier, to, just say
well we. Have To consolidate nick claxton's the guy who's
on the borderline of are you just trying To? Upgrade
from peerle Do you view claxton? As that upgrade are
you now moving other salaries because now you're do YOU.
Speaker 2: GO.
Speaker 1: With r j barrett as part of A Construction? For
Nick claxton.
Speaker 2: So peerdle is earning about? Six million less So Is? That,
AKBASHIAN pearle.
Speaker 1: Yeah i mean you, could DO that and i don't
Know if you're brooklyn probably, wants SOMETHING else ak bohi
is gonna be.
Speaker 2: Restricted free agent You know what brooklyn's gonna. Ask for
it they're gonna Say Peerl. And columbar. Boils, You, Can't
no yeah I'm not. Trading Calbary boils no. I'm not
either i'm saying that's what they're gonna ask for. For,
damn sure yeah but like Can, THEY find well i think.
Speaker 1: They could FIND i'm just i. Think fear conceptually do
you would you prefer as to Rontal To have nick Claxton,
Over yaka PEERDLE oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah i would, he's more versatile he's a. Little bit
younger if it's the timeline a, LITTLE bit better i
think his his contract. ALSO is better i just think
there's there are four more Benefits to to claxton than.
At this point AND.
Speaker 1: The thing I worry about I've always been i've never
been the. Biggest peardle guy but what's interesting ABOUT him
is i recognize his Value. To the raptors he's going
to be the better screener YOU could and i just
think if you DON'T have the a plus passer, on
your team which they, still would not what he does
even what he can do at points, as a passer
but because, of his screening because of his smarts on,
the short roll you're not going to get that Same,
stuff from claxton and. SO are. You i don't are
you creating one problem by attempting to address and You're
Also not nick claxton's not way More Physical. Than yako
pertle that's not something you're adding. With him either he's
he has more of A spindly built he could defend
on the, perimeter way better.
Speaker 2: That's, for, sure, yeah yeah, No for sure i'm. Going
that route is, there anyone else like in, terms OF
like because i was sitting here thinking about rim running
defenders because you were talking, about like that that kind
of seems like. THAT'S the, RAPTORSMO i agree. I, was
wondering again it depends on whether you trust him. To
stay healthy Like there's the Ministerian Place, in New York,
but mitchell robinson is that something for for? The raptors
instead but like that's. What's, the trade yeah and also
it's probably like in a, Backup capacity TOO so that's i.
Speaker 1: Think that's. Fine that's fine but if they heading to
the money is tough for them because he's, at thirteen
million and they have like their salary distribution is just
like they have a bunch of guys, in the thirties
three guys, IN the thirties rj at, twenty seven seven
And then it's purl, at nineteen five and then the
drop Off is the bagie at. Six, y four yeah it.
Speaker 2: Drops off, like a rock further underlining the need To
have those mitsier contracts.
Speaker 1: On your books so You're Defending the zeke, nagy deal again.
Good on you.
Speaker 2: Is that a? Mid? Sized, deal yeah, no, That's tough
right like you can't get the money works.
Speaker 1: On that one it would probably take like a Third
team where toronto Is sending out barrett or just a. More,
expensive player god.
Speaker 2: THAT'S probably, gonna i mean that's even if they do
succeed in like Some variation. Of perdle plus let's Just
say a baji and Then you get, claxon In there
then barnes, at Forty eight brandon, ingram Forty eight manual,
quickly forty two bear it, for twenty seven And then
it's claxed the twenty five, and a half and then
it drops off to calinmoy boils on. A rookie deal
that's that's top heavy. Money right. There that's tough the
let's do let's do, one More name and i'm Listing
him because.
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is hysterical they Also Didn't play ryan rollins enough
in Their lost to minnesota. The other Night if the
bucks are serious about making a big, Splash This season
ryan robins almost has to, be the deal? Does he
not because you could trade one first round, pick and
salaries and you have swaps that you can. Include in
there And so if, i'm a team his deal has
only one more cost controlled year on it because it's
a player option in, that, third year right it's not.
A team option.
Speaker 2: It is. A, player option yes.
Speaker 1: He's been SO good that i Just wonder if milwaukee
was taking the long view here and the other thing
that they could view it as is they, could say This.
We're keeping yannis our pick this year is, gonna be
good whether it's Ours. Or the pelicans we can then
trade two additional first round picks. Over the summer what
if we could get first Round Picks for ryan rollins
now to, consolidate because again he is going to be
paid once more. After next Season this is i'm not
even arguing in. Favor of it, i'm just curious if
they are that desperate To keep the, yannice Window Open
is ryan? Rollins more? Valuable not window but if they're
that Desperate, to Keep Yannis is ryan rollins more valuable
to them as a trade asset or as a, player they.
Speaker 2: Keep as a. PLAYER they keep.
Speaker 1: I. TEND to agree i, would just ask what are
they capable of doing if? He's? Off, limits then.
Speaker 2: Ohoh ABSOLUTELY nothing, BUT i, mean i understand but, that's
you know that's been you're painting, means for corner, because
you're right he does have the. Most trade value the
thing is he's earning, four million bucks so that's tough
to get. Something in Return what.
Speaker 1: Does, Houston, just Say Hey here's tarr easton and two
first Round Picks For ryan rollins the low end first
round Pick Was a tar easton at a. First round
pick does? That get you he's GONNA, be in rfa
so you have. To CONSIDER that but i don't think
he's gonna. Get MEGA paid and i Don't think the
buck's better now or just lighting them up.
Speaker 2: In the future.
Speaker 1: Does It make the? BUCKS better now i think you
could actually argue it might make them worse now and
into the future depending on what that. Pick looks like
so that was a bad but A team like, Houston,
would be oh this. Guy's so cheap fits a lot
of what they're doing and what. They could? Need is
it do you have a? Conversation about it.
Speaker 2: YOU probably do i think, my issue, Is, you know,
tari to me is a three or? A four three what's? The?
NEED there, You I mean kyle kusma, Is Still around
bobby bord. Is still around obviously.
Speaker 1: You're just Naming players that I'M not that i don't
factor into. Making any, deal, So no.
Speaker 2: No but like do you have follow up?
Speaker 1: Most, for them well for, them you would then well do,
you Need One, BECAUSE tari eastan i think if you
wanted to get shiftier on, the perimeter defensively which is what,
they need done and then the, secondary ball Handling Okay,
without ryan rollins but you. Do still have they run
a lot of stuff Through A Healthy. Kevin porter JUNIOR
i'm not i want. TO be clear i don't think
that's gonna be the, long. Term man sir i'm just
CURIOUS as to i don't know that it, makes THEM
better but i don't know that it demands some wild
follow up or maybe is there something to being, Able
to address like would you prefer to get A Guard
for ryan rollins plus a? First round pick IT doesn't
need i have you wig is, a bigger need but
if you're Getting Rid, of ryan wald you could probably make, The, case,
that okay well then. OTHER ball handler i want.
Speaker 2: ANOTHER ball handler i don't think they. CAN afford, THAT
i mean I know How Kim and porter junior has,
played this year but he's also been historically not overly
reliable in terms of like length and like the efficiency
tends to go. Up and down like what he's doing
right now? Is super efficient is it going to look
that way when he crosses the twenty? Five, Games played, mark, i'm,
Skeptical so like i'm not buying into the production quite
yet because his sample size is Super Small.
Speaker 1: And ryan rollinds this is. JUST incredibly, expansive.
Speaker 2: I mean it's twenty nine games compared to, ten at least.
Speaker 1: Oh talking about, just this, season, yeah, SURE.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah i mean and the way. THAT he's, played
i mean, like you said you've, muted. It yourself sir.
Speaker 1: I'm coming at this from the Perspective Of he's ryan
ronds' contract is actually just so much shorter. Than it
Seems and maybe i'm galaxy braining it and saying this
isn't someone they have to. Worry about overpaying but the
two scenarios are, you're good, enough he stays and you
have to pay him a. Bunch of money and the other, scenario,
would be, okay, ye honest leaves we trade him and
you still have to pay him a bunch of money
when he's entering his age twenty five season or. Whatever
it is? Does that fit, You, could say hey, you,
could say hey we're. Timelines are. Stupid that's fair you, can,
also Say, hey we're yeah we'll deal with it when.
The moment comes there's also something to the idea of
what is his value because this. Is its, peak you
know the team that gets him knows they have two
more playoff runs at, least with him and. He's so
cheap so he's someone that if you're a good team,
that has picks you don't need to trip over yourself
trying to figure out the salary matching. Behind it, ALL.
Speaker 2: Yeah no i get the conundrum because that is. What
it is. That's. A Conundrum, damn yeah no that's.
Speaker 1: A good one like if you're trying to get if
you're trying to if you're Trying To get anthony Davis,
as The Bucks it's ryan, rollins your pick and then
we'll step letter our. Way to salaries and that Might actually.
Get dallas Thinking You remember Ryan rollins and cooper flag me. Insane,
defensive combination.
Speaker 2: Yeah twenty three twenty, three, years old right that will.
Fit the timeline.
Speaker 1: Now this is, ALL to say i want to make
It clear That i'm probably i'm. Not moving right if
someone bowled me over and said here's first like a
bunch of first Round Picks, For ryan rollins i'm absolutely.
Gonna CONSIDER it but i Don't think the. Bucks should
be if they are gonna make, their last gasp, bey
honest move then then really do. The damn thing wait
till the offseason when you could throw three first round picks,
on the table and that's when. You Do it but,
i'm just curious is, To they're mentioned they've been mentioned
in these other names that might they're not gonna, take
any Picks Let. Alone ryan rollins but if you're gonna
mention Them With, an anthony davis it's they could theoretically,
BE if No I don't anthony davis, AND you honest. I, don't,
KNOW defensively sure i don't know how anyone feels, about
That Offensively, BUT ryan robbins i think is worth more
than the equivalent of one, first round pick and that's
the name that Could get the bucks into. Meaningful trade
discussions IT'S interesting because i hadn't considered. An angle Before
that's why, i'm LIKE hesitating because i think. THAT'S super
interesting i had just sort of shoehorned him in at
that spot.
Speaker 2: For at least the rest of the year because. HE'S
that good i think he's the second best player on the.
Team this.
Speaker 1: Year HE is there's i don't even know if there's
an argument for.
Speaker 2: Anybody, right exactly look if you're.
Speaker 1: Factoring in availability there might be An argument for giannis
is the. Second BEST player.
Speaker 2: And i think that's just such. A TOUGH sell but
i understand, Your point, though like you if you believe,
in this group that might be the guy to. Pivot
off of but you could also make the argument that
if you believe, in this group if and he he's
the second best player, on the team what's the lodging
and piving, off, of, him, like yeah okay you can
might you might be able to get better that will
cost you something on. THE depth department i don't have
a firm answer to YOU other Than I like ryan rollins,
a WHOLE bit and i would love for him To
stay ALONGSIDE gionnis because i think those two just. Mesh
So well so i'm disinclined to Go, the full hey
let's trade unless the return is so preposterously to my Advantage.
As the, bucks let's yes let's play.
Speaker 1: The, Name GAME then So I, mentioned anthony davis would
You Give up Ryan Rollinds and? Anthony, Davis, Traight, no
No no.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: LaMelo ball no i'm trying to think. OF like realistic
i could name names that, it would work like we
would be a player they'd. Be in for. THEY just
don't i Was Gonna Say, jared jackson junior but they
just Don't.
Speaker 2: Have the no I'm gonna SAY john morand i was gonna.
Speaker 1: Say. That, too no if you're if you're not gonna Give,
them up LaMelo you're not gonna give Him up For Trey.
OR john moran I would Assume i think LaMelo has
more trade value. Than all three BUT that's why, i
would say you're is there one of those three names?
You would consider you Said No, to john ran so It. Would.
Speaker 2: BE trey Yeah i have trey higher. THAN those two,
i REALLY don't or, i REALLY do Because i think
trey Is better Than. JAW and LaMelo i trust. Him,
far more yeah are? There? Defensive? Concerns absolutely uh is
he six?'? One, is listed fuck no there are so
many issues with. That point guard Crop but at least
trey comes in and you know what you're going to get.
To a certain extent you don't really know what You're
gonna get with LaMelo on a. Night to night basis
you don't really know what You're Gonna get, with john
moran either because everything. Is A shit Show, at least
with trey you understand you're going to get the elite,
level of court vision you're going, to get volume scoring
you know you're gonna get a lot. Of free pro
sufficiency so like that baseline to me. Is AT least
intriguing am I willing to Give Ryan? Rollins for trey
young that's at least Far More, interesting THAN anthony davis
who i might acquire and who will end up. Playing twenty,
Five games for me.
Speaker 1: I'm not even worried. About the the health THAT'S just
the giannis a, defit, defense, AGAIN defensively sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hate It Yeah, What, About Derek White? Yeah
trey murphy nope.
Speaker 1: Is it like? Is, there her name, well. We get,
Like uh.
Speaker 2: But again i'm also PRIORITIZING guards here because i do think.
YOU need more guards. I understand, your point you're saying
you know you would want someone who is more of
a wing type who comes in and. CHANGES the games.
DEFENSIVELY i hear. THAT i understand. THAT i appreciate that
i that's just taking so much away. From the guard
spot i'm not willing to. Make, that, trade off.
Speaker 1: Well okay what if they call and They just say
it's rollins the pick and just get to the salary
matching and you can Have Your, Selection Between James, hardner, Kawhi, Leonard.
Speaker 2: Okay okay ah hardness so old. Though He's so old
why kawhi intrigues me? Even, Next to you. Honest kawhi
intrigues me.
Speaker 1: Kawhi. Would intrigued me too but that's talking about banking
on what are you gonna, get game to game year,
to year?
Speaker 2: To him is right how many games he played? This year? So, far,
eighteen eighteen okay well he missed that, chunk in, the
middle so, like outside of that he, hasn't, been missing
games right. LET me just check i don't want to
see you're gonna lie to you because it feels like
he's he's, played, after he returned, right, AND then yeah okay.
I have it here he missed that Chunk. Of games in,
november outside of. That he's been available like can? We live?
With that can we or are we just certain he's?
GONNA go down again.
Speaker 1: I Probably do it if i'm NOT just. To be
i don't it. Could be so destructive but, at the
same time it's if, it doesn't work out then at
least you've Limited, the damage to okay we didn't wait
until the summer and trade all these. OTHER first round.
Speaker 2: Picks, i will say this over, the past ten games twenty.
Seven points seven rebounds There's no. Question about kauhi's ability
that is not the question, WITH so, RIDICULOUS man i
mean i would have to pull. The trigger, on that
but again this Is like, what, The bucks do right
like they just paint themselves into a corner and, Then,
they are like okay how much how much further can
we go in an attempt to? Keep you honest around
like this Would Be. Their final hail. Mary It really
would and i'm not even sure that if this deal
is gonna. LIKE would even. MATERIALIZE i don't know i.
Speaker 1: Think You could argue if kawhi and, got To stay,
Healthy the bucks would but then you look at the
talent that's, Left around them though so getting To, the
money for kawhi, who's at fifty million it would just
be so much harder because you're you're giving, up in
that scenario just When You're, looking, At Miles, Turner, gone kyle.
Speaker 2: Kuzma fine that's. Gone that's an acid Getting out of
the kyku's from. Bisiness, is an acid well but.
Speaker 1: Then It's You're, Left With Bobby, Portis Kevin. Porter, junior gary.
Speaker 2: Trent yeah it's again. It's NOT a lot and i
am just inclined to keep, THE young fella. Around, I really.
Speaker 1: Am yeah i don't think there's ANOTHER good, name to
i mean one that would. Even be semi realistic are
You doing. It for you're not there's no way You're
Doing it. FOR tyler hero right.
Speaker 2: A, lot of scoring upside a lot of volume that
he's the deal? Is coming up soon Does he mess
with giannis to the same? Exten not enough PLAYMAKING it's
closer because I think, for the bucks specifically he fills. Some,
very Specific needs okay but I'm Still on the, Ryan
rawlins wagon here oh here's. Maybe this is interesting but
based off his own health in the way, He's Played, This,
SEASON darius garland yeah I. Mean a healthy garland i'm,
saying yes too immediately but it's been a, while, with
that toe right.
Speaker 1: He's not moving. The same he did look WHAT was
the game i saw against?
Speaker 2: Him the Other?
Speaker 1: Night was it charlotte was a dad disaster where? HE
looked pretty good i can't even, Remember AT this point
but I, think of the bucks you kind of. HAVE
to do it I, don't IF i'm cleveland many i
guess you're doing it is you don't think he's Gonna
Be fine and, ryan rolinds is Cheaper and but the
bucks don't have other players or? What's your interest in
like who is the matching? Salary? In That Deal right
with darius garland is what you get Into Because you're
not ryan Rolin. Sure fits in. Cleveland like a. Glove But,
You're not, It's, Cleveland You're, Not oh, kyle, kuzma.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no No no no it's. Garland is, A case i'm
like i'm tracking a little bit because this. Is this
is worrisome Like when when The, SPURS traded for, FOX i,
was like i think should they should have held out To?
Try it for garland now that the toe injuries like
limited him to the, Point that, it, is i'm, like
oh bullet dodged so it's let's just go with The healthy.
Guy there ryan, WANTS at this, STAGE i can't like
i can't roll the. Dice on. This situation i'm curus.
Speaker 1: I'm very curiousy what. Milwaukee, ends, up doing yeah uh
do you have?
Speaker 2: Anything else to say or can you just tell our
audience where they can find you at all the, Work, that,
you do yes sir you can Find Me.
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And called GAMES In danish for hbo.
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