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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious podcast. I am here with a man about town.

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I am here with an explore revolutionary. I am here

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with the guy who has been to the places that

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you haven't. I'm here with my co host, mister Jason Colvin.

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How you doing, man, I'm doing well. How you doing?

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I'm doing great? So Jason, it was yesterday, it was yesterday.

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It was yesterday. Jason is calling me to go, Hey,

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I'm in this place that's got a sign on the

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wall that says rumblefish happened here. Do you remember the scene? Yeah?

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And I was like, uh, can you FaceTime me? And

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so we facetimed and I'm looking and I'm like, oh yeah,

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that's where he gets mugged and you're like, what happened now?

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I'm like, you know, he gets hitting the head with

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the crowbar and you're like, I'm sorry, I don't remember

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that part. I'm like, okay, you'll get this. It's where

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Bob from Batman shows up and you're like, oh, yeah,

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that's that's right, Bob my number one a guy. So

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you just got to know how to speak the language.

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That's that's the key here, right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So yesterday I spent about five or six hours roaming

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the area around Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I went to as

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many sites as I could for the Outsiders and Rubblefish,

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and I had a unbelievable time doing it. Met some

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great people that I want to throw shout out to. Okay,

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So I went into a shop in Sepulpa, Oklahoma, and

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Supulpa is where they shot a lot of the scenes

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from Rubblefish. So I go into a shop and I ask.

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Speaker 1: An older gentleman.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, man, I know this is a weird question,

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and I'm walking in out of the blue, but do

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you know anything about Rubblefish? And the guy like got

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this look on his face like finally someone right, right,

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He says, listen, I'm not from here. I don't really know,

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but I know who does.

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Speaker 1: And he leaves.

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Speaker 2: He takes me out of his storefront. This is like

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a little knickknack shop. He walks me down like three

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or four doors down, leaves his shop completely wide open.

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Speaker 1: Wasn't this a character in like Phantom Menace or something

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that's the ball? Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry. Sepulpacha, Okay, I'm

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with you, now, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: And so he walks me down and I meet a

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guy named Micah. His name is Micah Chillette and he

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writes for the local Supulpa newspaper, the Supulple Times. This

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guy says, hey, Micah, here's a guy here who wants

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to know about rubblefish. And his eyes light up, and

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Micah is like, oh great, I know everything there is

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to know about Rubblefish. Let me take you around and

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show you all these locations.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, fantastic.

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Speaker 2: So I see the outside of Rusty James apartment and

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the infamous fire escape which has been torn down now,

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but they salvaged it. Danny boyl connor is going to do.

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Speaker 1: Something with it later. Wait, who Danny boy O'Connor? This

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is I feel like this is going somewhere. Keep going

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with your story. Well, stay with me, okay.

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Speaker 2: He takes me down to the courthouse, the Suppulple Courthouse,

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and apparently they shot scenes from the Outsiders where pony

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Boy was like on trial and whether that the fountain

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incident was self.

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Speaker 1: Defense or not not. In the theatrical relief Make It

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came out in two thousand and five, and the re edit.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he takes me also to the there's a place

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in Rumblefish where the boys kind of get in the

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wrong area of town. He takes me to that place

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and so we go in there. He's talking to a

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guy who works there, had no idea that a movie

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Speaker 1: And then he takes.

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Speaker 2: Me like, I go through the lock door, like over

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a stack of junk, you know, up the hallway, this backstaircase.

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He opens the door and he takes me to Rusty

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James apartment on the third floor of this building that's

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been gutted.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: And I was He's like, see that wallpaper right there,

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you can see that in the movie. There's where Dennis

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Hopper was, There's where Mickey Rourke was, There's where Matt

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Dillon was. And I was just in movie Geek Heaven.

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Speaker 1: So you were a kid in a candy store. I

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wa mean for our listeners who don't know, Jason is

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the location guy, like he loved, like one of our

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very first episodes. He loved talking about how he was

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at the place that you see at the beginning of

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Raiders of the Lost Dark. He swung on the rope out.

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I did swung on the rope out into the river,

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just like Indiana Jones. And so yesterday he got to

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go see Sepulpa where a lot of Rumblefish was filmed.

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also in Tulsa proper singing scenes and locations for the Outsider.

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That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So Danny Boyle O'Connor, for those of you who don't know,

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he is one of the hip hop artists.

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Speaker 1: Who hold on, hold on before you jump into this.

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The guys. I walked in and my son Caleb is

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talking to Jason, and as I walk in, I heard

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Caleb going who and You're like listen and you start

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playing jump around and Caleb's like, you're gonna talk to

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that guy? Yes. So for our listeners who don't know,

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Danny Boy O'Connor is one of the members of House

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of Pain who has changed vocations. I mean he's still

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doing he's still doing rapping and music and all of that,

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but he has an entire story that we are going

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to go over with him on our next episode. So

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be sure and hit the follow button, be sure and

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hit the subscribe button, because he has a incredible story

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about the origin and creation of the Outsiders Museum.

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Speaker 2: It's more than that, because this is the intersectionality of

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nineties hip hop and eighties movies that will blow your

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socks off. So fingers crossed, We're.

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Speaker 1: Going to have an interview with him next episode. Next episode.

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Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, real quick before I leave this,

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if anybody is in Tulsa, Oklahoma and is interested in

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these things. Almost all of these landmarks are within a

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few miles of themselves. So Crutchfield Park, the Curtis Brothers House,

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Johnny KDE's House, the Movie Theater, all of it is

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within a few miles. It's really easy to do fantastic.

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So we've kind of just dived in here. But here's

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our introduction. We are talking about the Outsiders verse versus Rumblefish.

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Both of them Francis Ford Copple of movies. Both of

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them came out in nineteen eighty three, which means they

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are celebrating their fortieth anniversary in March. Outsiders will hit

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its fortieth sometime in the fall. Rumblefish will hit its

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fortieth anniversary. And they are both also se hitting novels

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and so this is like the perfect matchup and both

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filmed in the Tulsa area, that's right, which both Jason

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and I have lived there. Jason grew up there. I

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lived there for a couple of years when I first

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moved to Oklahoma. So we're both very familiar with the

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area that these movies were filmed in. And Jason can

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tell you, since he was there yesterday, that a lot

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of these places look exactly the same as they did

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forty years It's stunning.

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Speaker 1: It's stunning.

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Speaker 2: I went to the drive in, like the Admiral Twin

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drive in theater, and I could literally I'm like there,

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it is right there, right on the other side of

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the fence.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic beach Party movie. That's fantastic. Okay. So let's let's

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talk origin of these stories. Okay, very good, Okay. So

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the stories both start off with books, and they have

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an author that has one of the most unique stories

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you've ever heard. Jason hit me, all right.

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Speaker 2: So Susan Eloise Hinton Susie Susie. Yeah, oh you know,

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se as you may be familiar with her. She was

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fifteen years old writing this story, right while she's making

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a D plus and creative writing and failing English class.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So if you have a student. If you have

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a child who is doing dismally bad in their English class,

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there's still hope.

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Speaker 2: That to me is mind blowing. What teacher would give

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grades like this anyway, So she's at will Rogers High School,

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which incidentally is where Pony Boy goes to high school

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in The Outsiders. She starts chipping away at this story,

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and it's about rival gangs in her school in Tulsa.

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For whatever reason, the north side is kind of the

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bad side of town, and the further you get south,

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the more money there is. And so there was a

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fight between the greasers, the rough guys, and then the

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south side socials.

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Speaker 1: Right, the socials, right, it's so not socks.

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Speaker 2: When my son first read this novel, I told you

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this yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I was asking him, Okay, well, how's it going, you know,

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when he's a fifth grade or whatever, and he's telling

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me he's like, yeah, so anyway, the greasers in the

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socks are getting ready to rumble, and I'm like.

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Speaker 1: It's not socks. Yeah, And again this one. If your

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kids are mispronouncing words, it means they learned them by reading.

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Don't be too hard on them. That's right. I can

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remember when my daughter was like, hey, you know, we

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should get one of those yachets. And we're like what, Yeah,

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you know, the the yatchet and we're like, what is

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a She's like, you know the big boat that like

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people have the yatchet, like the yacht. The yacht? Is

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that how you say that word? Yes, it is. So

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please everybody, don't give up on your children. Yet there's

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still hope. That's right. So she's fifteen years old, she's

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failing or nearly failing creative writing, and she's writing her

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own personal story about this story that she's heard about

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the Soshias and the Greasers. That's right.

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Speaker 2: So she's fifteen, starts to really kind of get into

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it as she's sixteen as a junior in high school,

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manages to get it published by the time she's eighteen.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Hinton. There's an entire section of the library, a large

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section that's a library that is young adult, and that

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all started here. That's right.

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Speaker 2: That book went on to sell over fourteen million copies

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and continues to sell five hundred thousand copies a year.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy. This is a book published in nineteen sixty seven.

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A fifteen year old author is one of the most

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successful authors of all time.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and still lives in Tulsa and just kind

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of hangs out with her husband and that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So when did this book come out?

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Speaker 2: The Outsiders was published in nineteen sixty seven, okay. Rumblefish

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was published in nineteen seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So interestingly, there are other things going on at

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this time. We've talked about them before. One of them

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happened in nineteen seventy two, and then the other one

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happened in nineteen seventy four, and we talked about it

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almost exactly a year ago. Right now. It was Francis

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Ford Coppola's The Godfather and The Godfather Part two. So

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right around the time that Si Hinton has become famous

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for The Outsiders and has written this other novel, Rumblefish,

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Francis Ford Coppola is becoming famous for, I mean, two

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of arguably the best movies of all time, maybe the

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greatest movies of all time. Now here's what blew my mind. Right.

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You've got The Godfather, you have the Conversation and that

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where you remember from our Godfather episode and if you

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haven't heard it, please go back and check that out

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fiftieth anniversary last year. As a deal to do The Godfather,

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he said, I want to be able to do the Conversation, right.

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He had this pet script that he wanted to do,

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and they're like, okay, you can do that. And so

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that's what came in between The Godfather and The Godfather

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Part two is the Conversation. Sure his coup de gras

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in his own mind, right, right. And then he does

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Apocalypse Now, which is another one of the greatest movies

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of all time. So we've got The Godfather, We've got

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The Conversation, We've got The Godfather Part two, we've got

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Apocalypse Now. And then he says, you know what, I'll

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do a musical and he does this movie called One

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from the Heart that has Terry Garr in it, of

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all people, right, and so here he is, he's like zoomin.

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what are you gonna do next, mister Coppola. I think

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I'll do a low budget teen movie. What how does

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this happen? And how does he go from these three

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monumental successes this let me show you what I can

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do this pet project to this movie.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's mind blowing. Right, What in the world is

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going on in Francis Ford Koppla's brain to go from

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those movies that you mentioned to basically.

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Speaker 1: And After School Special?

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Speaker 2: Right now, here's what happens. There's a librarian at Lone

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Star Elementary School in Fresno, California.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and.

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Speaker 2: She notices that all of her sixth, seventh, and eighth

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graders coming through her library are really interested in The Outsiders,

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and she begins to talk to them, and they come

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to her and they're like, is this a movie?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Can we watch this movie? And she realizes there's this

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market for these kids that like want to see this movie.

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She gets fifteen pages worth of signatures. They all decide,

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Francis Ford Kopla is the guy we want to make

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this movie.

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Speaker 1: I mean why not? I mean, you know, hey, who

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is a director you've heard of at this point, Well,

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there's the guy that did The Godfather and Apocalypse? Now,

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how about that guy? All right, let's give it to Yeah, sure,

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let's do it. I mean why not?

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Speaker 2: I mean the greatest director of the time. Let's see

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if he'll do this movie for us. So she sends

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this letter requesting him to do this movie. But here's

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the interesting part. She doesn't send it to this movie studio,

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which like ninety nine percent of the people would. She

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finds this obscure address in New York where he has

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an active mail account, but not really anybody else there

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but him. So for whatever reason, she chooses that address

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to send this letter to Nice and it bypasses all

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the stupid people at the studio at the studio, which

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would all the gatekeepers, all the gatekeepers, and it ends

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up in his hand and he reads this letter and

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he's moved by this.

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Speaker 1: That's fantastic. So he reads the novel and he's like,

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I think I would like to do this. Yeah. So,

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hearing this story, I reached out to Francis Ford Coppola,

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I know, right, and actually we talked to his publicist

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and his agent and they said, hey, he is in

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the middle of filming a new movie, which I mean

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he hasn't He's done virtually nothing in the last twenty years.

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When you send me that text, I was like, what, Yeah,

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they said, hey, super sorry. He is in the middle

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of shooting this movie called Megalopolis. Yes, and he will

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be busy with post production even when they're done with filming,

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so he won't be able to do it. But at least, hey,

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they said, thanks for asking. Okay. So he gets this

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letter in the mail, and I mean she sends him

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the she sends him the pages that are signed. He's

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he's talking about. He's like, they're all in different inc.

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I mean, this is a legit deal. He reads the book,

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he says, I love it. I would love to do this, right,

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And so where does he decide to go? Right? Was

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he going to go to Kansas City where they wanted

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to shoot The Godfather? No way. No, is he going

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to go to La or they've got sets. No is

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he going to go out to the jungle where they

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shout apocalypse now? No, he is going to go to Tulsa, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: I love this about Francis Portkopla. Yeah, there is no

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way he was going to shoot The Godfather Kansas City.

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Speaker 1: You talked about it. We talked about it during our

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Godfather episode.

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Speaker 2: He really is an artist and he wants the greatest

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amount of accuracy and detail that he can, so I'm

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going to Tulsa.

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Speaker 1: Yep, love it. And so that's the origin story for

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The Outsiders. Yes, very nicely, we will flow right into

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the origin story for Rumblefish. So one of our key

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characters in The Outsiders is Dally, played by a young

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Matt Dillon. As he's in the midst of shooting The Outsiders,

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Matt Dylan is like, Hey, you like sie Hinton and

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she's there too, you should really check out Rumblefish. He

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reads Rumblefish and falls head over heels in love. And Guys,

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I know that probably ninety five percent of our audience

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is familiar with The Outsiders, and I know probably five

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percent of our audience is familiar with Rumblefish. It is

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just it is not as successful. Came out the same year,

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exact same year, both had Matt Dillon in it, both

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Francis Ford Coppola, both s he Hinton. But Rumblefish, although

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it does have a bit of a cult following, is

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nothing like the following of the Outsiders. But in Francis

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Ford Coppola's mind, there are two top movies of all

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of the movies that he's made, and those two movies

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are The Conversation, which I talked about right, and Rumblefish.

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Speaker 2: I know I listened to his commentary. I know you

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did as well.

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Speaker 1: You can hear the.

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Speaker 2: Adoration that he has for that story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that movie. Yes, when he read the book,

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it touched in him a personal court. He identified with

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what was going on in that story from experiences that

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he had growing up in various places, because they moved

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around a bunch, sure, and one of the places that

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they landed was a place called Woodside. And he had

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an older brother, Augustus, whose nickname was Augie. Yep, and

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Oggi was a member of what he kindly referred to

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as a social club, what we might call a gang.

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And the name of that gang is the Wild Deuces.

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The Wild Deuces. So if you are one of that

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five percent who is familiar with Rumblefish, you will know

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that name because that's the jacket that young Nick Coppola, yes,

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better known as Nicholas Cage, is wearing in the movie.

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It is his own father's jacket because Nick Cage, Nick Coppola,

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is Francis Ford Coppola's nephew, Augie's son, is wearing Augie's

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jacket in this movie.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, now, are you telling me that movie

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star Nicholas Cage is actually born Nick Coppola in is

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Francis Ford Coppola's nephew.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's incredible. It is awesome, dude, it is. It

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is super awesome. So Francis dedicates this movie. At the

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end of the movie, you'll see he dedicates this movie

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to Aggie Coppola. And this movie is about a younger

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brother and an older brother and their relationship. And he refers.

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He says, this movie is dedicated to Ali Coppola, my

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first and best teacher. There's something about the relationship between

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a younger brother and an older brother that is almost undefinable,

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and he tries to capture it in this movie. And

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it's really truly incredible. It is an emotion that can't

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be described. And he does something special to give us

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that feeling and that emotion and that empathy. It's great

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to see him take something and go completely. I mean,

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we talk about how he goes from Godfather to Apocalypse

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now to The Outsiders, and that's such a strange twist

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of events. But he's in his own words, Rumblefish is

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the opposite of the Outsiders.

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Speaker 2: I think he says, like the flip side of the coin, Righteah.

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Speaker 1: I mean opposite, flat out opposite. Whereas as you've got

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colors and beauty, this is black and white and harsh reality.

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You've got a PG rating, you got an R rating.

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He says, They're the opposite. Used different editors, used different soundtracks,

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totally different movies. But interestingly, early eighties, this is Coppola's

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teen movies. These are both teen movies. So now what's

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interesting is a year before these movies came out, nineteen

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eighty two, Disney released a movie that was also an

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s he Hitton novel. Yes, and that movie was called Techs. Right.

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You know where I was filmed Tulsa, Oklama. Tulsa, Oklahoma again,

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And I mentioned in our previous episode when I was

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talking about, Hey, we're coming up on this, that my

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sister in law, my brother's wife, she lived in Tulsa

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at that time. Right. I talked to her on the

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phone today. I'm like, hey, tell me the story about

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what happened, you know, let's let's go, right, And she said, so,

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they just they showed up to their high school, right,

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and they said, anybody interested in this, you know, talking

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about this movie, come on over and she goes, I

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think we might have even been in a classroom, like

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just sitting in there and the director came in. So

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the director is there and they're talking to the kids.

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I mean, you're talking to the high school kids, right, Hey,

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we're doing this kind of high school movie. It's a

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Disney movie, but we're kind of making this a little

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more edgy than some of the Disney movies have been

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in the bash sure, and so you know, hey, what

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what stuff do you guys? Know? What skills do you have?

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And they kind of start talking and eventually it's like, hey,

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does anybody know how to ride a motorcycle? If you're

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familiar with the movie text, you see Matt Dillon sitting

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on a motorcycle, right, that's the poster. And my sister

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in law is like, yeah, I know how to ride

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a motorcycle, right, Ye, Well, my sister in law's maiden

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name is Winters. And if there if we have any

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fans out there who are motorcycle enthusiasts, her dad is

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Leroy Winters, who is one of the most famous motorcycle

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guys of the sixties.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I bet Pat Cannadala knows who that guy is.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, hit me up, Pat if you know

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who Leroy Winters is, right, bought my first motorcycle for

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mister Leroy Winters in Fort Smith, Arkansas, which is where

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she grew up, but she was living in Tulsa this time,

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going to high school. Okay, anyway, they're like, do you

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know how to ride a motorcycle? She's like, yeah, I

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can do it, and they're like, okay, come out to this,

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come out to the river, and let's see what she

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can do. Her brother was supposed to meet her out there,

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right and bring a motorcycle that they had. Well something

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happened and he fell through, and so she's out there

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and she's like, I'm sorry, guys, I don't have a

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motorcycle to ride. And they're like, well, that's okay, we've

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got one. And they give her like this five hundred

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cc motorcycle that's kind of big for as a high

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school girl. And they're like, show us what you can do.

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See if you can do that jump over there, you know,

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like giving her a challenge, like really, like was this

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girl going to do anything? She's like okay, and she can't,

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even like her feet won't both touch the ground on

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this motorcycle, right, So she's thinking about that and she's like,

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get going fast. So she is hauling ass to make

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this jump, does the jump, and he's going so fast

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that like she lands and has to skid to a

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halt and it's right in front of them and it's

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like er and then she has to jump off of

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the motorcycle or she's gonna fall over because she can't

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at your legs. So she literally jumps this giant thing,

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skids right in front of him, jumps off and is

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there holding the bike and they're like, wow, who are

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you again? And she's like, my name's Robin Winters. And

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then she's and they're like are you related to Leroy

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Winters And she says yeah, he's my dad and he's

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like oh. And she becomes the girl that they go

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to to do all motorcycle things. She's in the movie text.

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She's on the back of the motorcycle with Amelio Estevez.

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I mean she becomes friends with Amelia, she becomes friends

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with Meg Tilly. They go hang out and barbecue at

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people's houses. She said, I think I'm I think I

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met Charlie Sheen. I think he might have like almost

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drowned in the river as we were out partying one night,

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you know, and wow, they barbecue together, said she met Martin.

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She went out to La after it was all over

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and just had this fantastic time I learned about it

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just this last these last couple of months, right, fantastic.

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And so I mentioned that that she taught Mickey Rourke

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to ride a motorcycle. Well that's not exactly right. She

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helped him. She did. So when they got to Rumblefish Time,

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Phodoo Howard gave her call, said, hey, can you come

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help us out with this picture? We got some motorcycle stuff,

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she's like, well, who is this I'm supposed to help learn?

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And she's like, Mickey Rourke was standing in a shadow

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like smoking a cigarette and he just kind of appears.

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She's like, wow, I feel like I know that guy's

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And so she had just seen him in you know,

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body heat or something like that. You know. Okay, so

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she's like but she said, he kind of already knew,

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but needed just a little kind of update, you know,

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like you know, when you hear it get to that speed,

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00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,400
you need to switch gears, She said Matt Dillon though

465
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,240
he was a New York City kid who didn't know

466
00:23:42,319 --> 00:23:45,480
anything about motorcycles, and she had to teach him everything.

467
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,519
So you got Texts on the motorcycle. My sister in

468
00:23:49,559 --> 00:23:52,880
law is the guy who taught that guy hat to Wow. Wow,

469
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:53,480
that's crazy.

470
00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:55,599
Speaker 2: Right, that's a great story. Yeah, I've got a text

471
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,200
story too. It's not as good as yours, but I'm

472
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,240
gonna throw this out there. So text comes out in

473
00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:02,880
nineteen eighty. Obviously, I'm from Tulsa. This is all shot

474
00:24:03,039 --> 00:24:05,440
in South Tulsa, around where I live.

475
00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:07,279
Speaker 1: Right, this is the first.

476
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,519
Speaker 2: Time it hits me that movies are not real. So

477
00:24:10,839 --> 00:24:13,160
Texts and his brother are driving around in a pickup

478
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,440
truck having a conversation, right, the conversation's continuity flows, right,

479
00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:20,440
But they're by this thing, and then they're four miles

480
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,279
away in front of this thing, and then they're five

481
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:24,519
miles away in front of this thing. And then they're

482
00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:27,200
going west, and then they're going east. And I'm like,

483
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:30,599
I'm a nine year old kid, going this what wait

484
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,039
a minute, this is not right?

485
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,319
Speaker 1: And then you saw RoboCop exactly.

486
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: But the most unbelievable thing about texts is that Emilio

487
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,559
esta business character wears both a Oklahoma Sooners shirt and

488
00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:46,519
an Oklahoma State Cowboy shirts. That's the thing that I

489
00:24:46,599 --> 00:24:47,240
had the most.

490
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: Problem with as a nine year old. Kiss funny. So

491
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,920
Emilio Estevez of course goes on and does the next

492
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:59,400
se Hinton movie, which is The Outsiders, as does Matt Dillon. Right,

493
00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:02,599
Rourke tries out for it, doesn't get it right, but

494
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,920
Francis Ford Coppola likes him so much that he's like, Hey,

495
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:07,440
you need to come on back. And I'm kind of

496
00:25:07,519 --> 00:25:10,599
I'm falling into casting here. So before I do that,

497
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,799
let me just tell one more story. Okay, sure, So

498
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,000
this is this is post both movies, right, Okay, into

499
00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:19,079
both movies. He's doing the editing. He's editing the scene

500
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,160
in Rumblefish where Mickey Rourke decides to go in and

501
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,640
free all of the animals from the pet store. Okay,

502
00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:29,960
it's very pee wee herman of him. Well, yes, right,

503
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,400
it's an interesting and an interesting conundrum, right, yes, And

504
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,880
so anyway, he is, he's filmed this, he's in the

505
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,920
midst of editing this. This is a part of the book.

506
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,359
This is part of the book Rumblefish, right, And so

507
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,240
he goes to see Hinton and he's like, hey, you

508
00:25:44,279 --> 00:25:47,759
know that scene in the book where they decide to

509
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,160
let all of the animals go huh. She's like, yeah, yes,

510
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,519
how'd you come up with that idea? And she's like, no,

511
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,920
I saw that in a movie. Actually. He's like, what

512
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,759
was the movie and she's like, oh, I can't remember

513
00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:07,720
the name of it. Uh, had James Cohn in it?

514
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:13,279
He was like, oh, James Kahn. Was it The Rain People?

515
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,640
She's like, yeah, that's it, The Rain People. And he's like, huh,

516
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,640
that's a movie that I wrote and directed right before

517
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,960
I did The God That's Friends. For So Francis Worp,

518
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:30,519
without even realizing it until after everything's done, is directing

519
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,000
a scene in a movie that the writer of the

520
00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:37,319
book took from a scene of another one of his movies.

521
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,200
That is unbelievable.

522
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 2: That's a fantastic story.

523
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, we ready to get into casting. Let's

524
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,079
talk about okay, because I'm bursting at the scenes with

525
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,240
fun stuff to talk about with the cast. I mean you,

526
00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,119
we could stop at Outsiders alone, because holy cow, this

527
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,400
is like the big bang of the Brat pack of

528
00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:01,240
eighty stars. Right, yeah, it really is gigantic. All of

529
00:27:01,279 --> 00:27:04,079
these guys who were one of the very first movies

530
00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:04,720
that they're ever in.

531
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, after doing the Godfather movies and Apocalypse.

532
00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:11,519
Now in the Black Stallion, you throw this out there.

533
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,279
It's an open cast call, and you bring in all

534
00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:16,799
this young talent, and so of course you're gonna have

535
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,039
hugely talented people that want to be involved in this movie.

536
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: Okay.

537
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,079
Speaker 2: It's an interesting way that they did it. So they

538
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:25,400
would bring in all these actors and they were all

539
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,759
sitting in the same room, and before we get specifically

540
00:27:28,839 --> 00:27:32,440
who they were, Francis four Coppola would go, Okay, Dee Graves,

541
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,240
you're a pony boy, and Jason Colvin you are soda

542
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:38,279
pop and ready gope, yeah, and it would just kind

543
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:41,079
of toss him in the ring together. And so like

544
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,599
Tom Cruise read for five or six or seven different parts.

545
00:27:45,279 --> 00:27:47,400
And I heard Rob Low talking about this. He said,

546
00:27:47,519 --> 00:27:50,599
nobody really ever honed in that that was their role

547
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,119
because you played so many different roles, you really didn't

548
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,640
know where you stood or where you're.

549
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: Going to land. Right. Ralph Mancio talks about this scenario

550
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,880
and he was like it was it was mind bending.

551
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,720
It was so stressful because you were sitting there watching

552
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,880
other guys read the part that you just read, and

553
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,200
you're thinking, oh my gosh, this is a different choice

554
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,079
that he's made, and what did I make the wrong choice?

555
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,240
And he's a new I mean a very new actor

556
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:17,759
and a New York kid. So he's trying to do

557
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:23,799
this Tulsa, Oklahoma. Actual, yes, and he's just panic, panic

558
00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:26,960
stricken the entire audition. Okay, so let's get into it.

559
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 2: But before we get into the big players, I want

560
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,039
to give you just a little bit of the little players.

561
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:31,519
Speaker 1: Okay.

562
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So one of the guys that's in Outsiders and

563
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:38,319
Rumblefish and is a guy that we've talked about before.

564
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,799
His name is Tom Waits.

565
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Tom Waits, who's more famous as a singer,

566
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,920
but has definitely had a slew of movies that he

567
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,160
has played a small part in.

568
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 2: So he plays Buck Merril and the Outsiders and he

569
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,000
plays another small part in Rumblefish. But do you remember

570
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,680
when we talked about him before.

571
00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:02,039
Speaker 1: We talked about how in the Dark Night that Heath Ledger.

572
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,920
We have a strong suspicion that Heath Ledger was channeling

573
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,799
his inner Tom Waits that when he did that, right.

574
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, the voice of the Joker. Yeah, took his voice

575
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:14,200
from Tom Waits.

576
00:29:14,279 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

577
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:19,799
Speaker 2: I have a growing level of popularity throughout the inner

578
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:24,720
continelly the United States. So yeah, okay, one more smaller

579
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:26,880
part I want to bring up to you. And this

580
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,119
blew my mind when I learned this. It's Michelle Myrink.

581
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,319
She's Cherry Valance's friend who sits next her at the

582
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:33,720
drive in.

583
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,359
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw her and I was like, I

584
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,759
know that face. How do I know that face? I

585
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:40,720
know that face? And so I had to hit pause.

586
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:43,240
I had to look her up on IMDb and I

587
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:46,400
was like, ah, of course, yes.

588
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:49,519
Speaker 2: So she was in Valley Girls, she was in Revenge

589
00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:50,799
of the Nerds, but really.

590
00:29:50,519 --> 00:29:55,279
Speaker 1: For me, she's Jordan in Real Genius. Yes, that was

591
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:55,799
it for me too.

592
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 2: I almost fell out of my chair.

593
00:29:57,799 --> 00:29:58,119
Speaker 1: Yeah.

594
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,279
Speaker 2: So, okay, so let's talk about pony Boy Curtis for

595
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:02,400
a second before you get there.

596
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,599
Speaker 1: Okay, just you're talking small parts before we get to

597
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:06,079
the big parts. I want to just throw out a

598
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,960
couple that, okay, may surprise you, all right, Yeah, yeah,

599
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,559
So in like extras, mind you. Yes, we have Melanie Griffith.

600
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:19,160
And also we have Heather langing Camp. Yes, and you

601
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:19,920
know what movie.

602
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 2: She's She's freaking Nancy from Nyrore on Elm Street. Yes,

603
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,920
she's actually born and raised in Tulsa. Yeah, so Tulsa

604
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,400
actress Heather land Camp Nancy.

605
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,799
Speaker 1: And then another smaller part, speaking part and important part

606
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,039
in both of these movies is a guy named Glenn Withrow.

607
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,559
Glenn Withrow is the guy who comes up while Pony

608
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:42,440
Boy is sitting talking to Cherry at the drive in

609
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:44,839
theater and is like, did Dadley slash my tires? I

610
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:49,079
know he slashed my tires. Yeah. He also plays Biff

611
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,680
in Not Back to the Future, although I'm pretty confident

612
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,519
that's where they got his name. Probably yes, But he

613
00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:00,440
plays Biff in Rumblefish, the guy who gets in the

614
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,680
initial rumble with Rusty James s Matt Dellen.

615
00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:07,599
Speaker 2: And you were So he has his hair peroxided. He's

616
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:09,240
the guy who slashes in with a knife.

617
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, blonde guy. He's blond and rumblefishly different a greezer

618
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:16,160
in the Outsiders And then just real quick on that

619
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,559
one before we get too far off of him. So

620
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:25,359
there's a really dramatic scene where motorcycle Boy takes Biff out, right,

621
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:28,519
I mean, it's one of the most unforgettable scenes of

622
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:32,039
the movie. And it was actually the idea of the

623
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:36,160
stunt coordinator who said, what if we do this and

624
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:39,359
so the way that Biff, after he has made this

625
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:44,160
cowardly move of slashing Rusty James while he's looking away, Yeah,

626
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,640
motorcycle Boy uses his motorcycle to take Biff out and

627
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,960
it's a fantastic I mean, you just think about no

628
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:54,839
CG and nothing else. It hits him and he does

629
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,720
a full back flip up in the air and over

630
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:03,480
onto his face, basically right. Sure, it's incredible, And that

631
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:05,680
was the stunt coordinator who's like, you know, I think

632
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,160
we could pull this off. Buddy Joe Hooker, by the way,

633
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,799
stunt coordinator a ton of movies, but I just thought

634
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,480
that was a really cool scene. It was an amazing scene,

635
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:17,160
and they pulled it off flawless and once again all

636
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,079
in black and white.

637
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it pops, It pops hard.

638
00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:22,759
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about that here in a second, all right.

639
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:26,559
Speaker 2: Casting, Yeah, so pony Boy Curtis is the narrator of

640
00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:29,519
the story. That's the character that C. Thomas Howell plays

641
00:32:29,519 --> 00:32:30,000
in the movie.

642
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:30,319
Speaker 1: Yep.

643
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:32,799
Speaker 2: Now you had people like Timothy Hutt and read for

644
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:37,720
this Anthony Michael Hall, like think Rusty in Vacation, very

645
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:38,920
young Anthony Michael Hall.

646
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, same year, same year, and that was that was

647
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:44,119
really his first big movie was Vacation.

648
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: Val Kilmer read for pony Boy yeap.

649
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: He was doing a stage play at that time. They

650
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,400
actually offered it to him and he turned it down.

651
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: He couldn't do it because if he backed out, the

652
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,160
whole thing would have folded, and he felt responsible.

653
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:56,799
Speaker 1: Didn't want to do that.

654
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,559
Speaker 2: So I heard Rob Loow talking about when he knew

655
00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:03,359
that C. Thomas Hall had the part right, and so

656
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,960
see Thomas how For those of you who may not know,

657
00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:08,720
he was in the Hitcher, he was in et. He

658
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:10,519
was in a great eighties movie that a lot of

659
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:13,119
people have overlooked called Secret Admirer. It's one of my favorites.

660
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:14,720
I don't know why it's not a teen classic.

661
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: I love it.

662
00:33:15,599 --> 00:33:18,119
Speaker 2: Solman right, Soulman Side Out.

663
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: Married Raydon Cheng who was in Soulman. That's exactly right.

664
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,319
Speaker 2: Roblow was talking about when he knew C. Thomas Hall

665
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,640
had the part Francis four Coppola, who he was in

666
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,319
his style, he would be like, all right, Roblow, you

667
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:31,680
read for pony Boy. You know Val Kilmer, you read

668
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,480
for Soda Pop. You know Patrick Swayze, you read for

669
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:37,240
Johnny Kid, whatever, And they would just throw it all around,

670
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,319
right Roblow said, of course, they're all on the edge

671
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,400
of this warehouse watching Francis four Coppola would say, all right,

672
00:33:43,519 --> 00:33:47,039
Tommy you stay, Uh, tom Cruise, you read for Soda Pop.

673
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,960
You know, Roblow, you read for Johnny cad and Dennis Quaid.

674
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,039
Speaker 1: You read for Dally.

675
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,519
Speaker 2: All right, you three out, Tommy, you stay. And as

676
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,480
soon as he started doing that, yeah, Roblo's like he's

677
00:33:59,480 --> 00:33:59,799
got it.

678
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: He's pony Boy. You know that. Coppla asked for Patrick

679
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,839
Swayze specifically, like a lot of those guys came into audition,

680
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:11,639
and he asked for Swayze specifically. Do you know what

681
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,920
movie he saw him in?

682
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:15,639
Speaker 2: What's the stupid roller skating movie.

683
00:34:15,519 --> 00:34:22,280
Speaker 1: Called Skatetown USA. It is a monumental debut by mister

684
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,480
Patrick Swayze that earns a whopping four point eight on

685
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:30,599
the IMDb scale out of ten. It got him the

686
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:34,199
party and the Outsiders. What do you what.

687
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 2: Roller Skates gave us Darryl and the Outsiders and eventually

688
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:39,480
Body in Point Break.

689
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: So yeah, and dirty dancing, I mean dancing, that's right,

690
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,039
that right? Right?

691
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,559
Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about the part of Dallas Winston.

692
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:49,320
He's the big battie, right, he's the hood right hood

693
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:50,440
get lost hood?

694
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: Yeah right?

695
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 2: Matt Doana just shot texts right s he Hitton is

696
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:56,920
the one who said I think he'd be a good Dallas.

697
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:57,199
Speaker 1: Yeah.

698
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 2: And it's interesting in the novel, looks nothing like Matt Dylan.

699
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,639
He's blonde, looks totally different. And sie Hinton came to

700
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,960
Francis four coppola and said, you know, I think maybe

701
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,519
Matt Dylan is our guy. And so early on in

702
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:14,039
the auditions they're reading for all these different parts, Francis

703
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:16,599
four coppola goes to Matt Dillon and says, okay, you

704
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:19,480
can go home, Matt, and Matt's like, crap, they're sending

705
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,280
me home already. I blew it, right, I didn't get it.

706
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,719
I'm not anything. They're kicking me out of here. And

707
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,280
what he didn't know that he had already been decided.

708
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: He was gonna be cast nice.

709
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:33,679
Speaker 2: Interestingly, Francis four Coppola during the filming went to Matt

710
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,159
Dillon and said, hey, you know, for your character, like

711
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,199
for your study of your character, why don't you spend

712
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,519
a couple of nights in jail. And Matt Dylan's like,

713
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,639
no way, Francis, you spend a couple of nights in jail, right,

714
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:47,639
So some guys who read for Dally, of course Tom Cruise,

715
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,880
Adam Baldwin, who was kind of the star of My Bodyguard,

716
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,039
and then Nick Cage. Nicholas Cage locked himself in a

717
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,639
room for two weeks stared at a picture of Charles

718
00:35:57,639 --> 00:36:01,639
Bronson trying to channel his inner Dolly Us even though

719
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,440
his uncle is the director didn't get it. But of

720
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,360
course he shows up later in Rumblefish.

721
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 1: Right. I thought this was funny.

722
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,199
Speaker 2: So Francis pour Coppola got mad at Matt Dillon during

723
00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:13,280
the shooting of The Outsiders, Yeah, and called him a

724
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:19,639
get ready for it, brace yourself an airhead, and as

725
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:21,760
he had made him go, apologized.

726
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: So that's that's funny. That's funny.

727
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:32,199
Speaker 2: By the way, Matt Dillon was like seventeen eighteen when

728
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:32,760
he filmed this.

729
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was fifteen Yeah, as I was looking at

730
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,239
as I was watching. I mean, it's there's something about

731
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,800
black and white. As I'm watching Rumblefish and he's in

732
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,000
that tank top white shirt, I'm just like, Matt Dylan

733
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,840
has the most perfect skin I've ever seen in my life.

734
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,039
I mean, it's just flawless. It's like, oh, it's because

735
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:55,599
he's seventeen years old. Well, but he doesn't have any

736
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:59,320
zits or anything. Yeah, I mean it's just he's like porcelain.

737
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,159
Speaker 2: It's just let's go to Darryl Curtis. That's the part

738
00:37:03,159 --> 00:37:04,280
that Patrick Swayze plays.

739
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:04,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

740
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:08,119
Speaker 2: Well, turns out Patrick Swayze's twenty nine when he makes this. Yep,

741
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,119
they wanted somebody to play the older brother.

742
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they didn't want somebody to be too old.

743
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,199
Speaker 2: But somehow or another, he channels his inner twenty one

744
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,880
year old and plays just the right amount of older brother.

745
00:37:18,119 --> 00:37:18,559
Speaker 1: Yeah.

746
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: So Mickey Rourke was actually one person that they had

747
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,599
in mind.

748
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 1: To play for Darryl, right, right. Dennis Quaid is another. Okay, yeah,

749
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:27,280
yeah I heard that.

750
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:27,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

751
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

752
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: So ultimately, Franz Sportcopola, like you said, liked him from

753
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,960
that movie rollers Gate America around USA Skate Down USA. Okay,

754
00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:39,000
Johnny kaid, this is the part that Ralph Macchio plays. Yeah,

755
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:40,760
Ralph Machi was twenty years old.

756
00:37:41,079 --> 00:37:42,679
Speaker 1: Let me just say this. Let me just say this,

757
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,480
all right. So you talked to Caylab before this, and

758
00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:48,599
he was he was wowing you with his Star Wars knowledge, right, right.

759
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:52,159
He is more obsessed with Cobra Kai than he is

760
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:55,039
with Star Wars, Like, I mean, every day, it's like, okay, dad,

761
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,119
So mister Miyagi in his prime versus Johnny in his prime?

762
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:04,559
Who wins? I'm like, dude, I don't know. He's like, okay, okay, okay,

763
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,400
get it. How about this? How about Hawk in his

764
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:12,639
prime versus Johnny in his prime? I'm like, dude, I

765
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,559
don't what. I don't know this. These are real people,

766
00:38:15,639 --> 00:38:18,920
yeah right, I don't yeah what. This is the movie? Right?

767
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,199
So anyway, he's he he and he gets mad when

768
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,199
people don't like Cobra Kai or Karate Kid stuff. Right. Sure.

769
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,679
So he comes in like when I'm a quarter of

770
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,719
the way through The Outsiders and I had mentioned to him,

771
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,239
I'm like, hey, I'm gonna go to watch this movie.

772
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,079
By the way, it's got Ralph Macchio and he's like, who,

773
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:39,360
I'm like Daniel's son. He's like, oh, okay, I might

774
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,920
can watch that with you. So he comes in after

775
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,159
I've been watching so many twenty five minutes of the movie.

776
00:38:43,199 --> 00:38:45,679
Right right, we've hit the plot point the guy's been stabbed.

777
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,639
And then he comes in after they've made their escape,

778
00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,920
and so he's like, oh, yeah, there's Daniel. And he

779
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,800
goes what's his name in this movie? And I was

780
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:59,599
like it's Johnny and he was like really. I was like, yes,

781
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:01,840
really is like you know why? That's funny? Right? I

782
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,920
was like, oh yeah, cratty kid, I get it. Yeah right, yeah,

783
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,800
So there you go, that's funny.

784
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 2: So for the part of Johnny Caid, can you imagine

785
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,400
Scott Bao from Happy Days?

786
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 1: No, Chachi, No, he can be Charles in Charge all day,

787
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,519
but not Johnny. Sorry no. Yeah.

788
00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 2: So Ralph Macchio talks about how when he read the

789
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:24,480
book as a seventh grader, he really latched onto this character,

790
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,719
and even though he read for different parts, he's like, man,

791
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,239
I really just want to play Johnny. I hope I

792
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:30,800
get Johnny.

793
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: He said. Anytime he had to read for.

794
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,119
Speaker 2: Soda Pop or something else, he was just kind of

795
00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:37,480
bummed that he wasn't reading for Johnny and ultimately got

796
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:41,079
his favorite character in the book. Now, one of the

797
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,519
things I thought was funny is that Tommy Hall and him,

798
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,400
you know, pony Boy and Johnny cad are like best buddies.

799
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,400
Well in real life, they were kind of irritants to

800
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,519
each other, okay, because Ralph Maccio is a serious actor

801
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:56,679
wants to make sure he's prepared and in his character,

802
00:39:57,239 --> 00:39:59,360
and Tommy Howell was worried about getting a high.

803
00:39:59,159 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: Score on pac Man. So yeah, as I understood, a

804
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,159
lot of the guys were practical joking throughout the entire shoot,

805
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,199
but Ralph Montio was not one of those guys. He

806
00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:14,039
was very focused on giving it his absolute best and

807
00:40:14,079 --> 00:40:16,199
didn't want to be any part of the shenanigans.

808
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:18,679
Speaker 2: One of the things that he did contribute a lot

809
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,519
to that A lot of people don't know this story.

810
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,199
So there's a real famous shot of the guys on

811
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,800
that movie poster and they're cracking up and it's a

812
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,960
great shot. Everybody's all smiles. So one of the guys

813
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,559
on set was reaching for some food on a table

814
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,880
and somebody corrected him and say, hey, man, that's for

815
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,800
the talent. That's not for you, right right, And while

816
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,280
they're taking this picture, they're all standing there. Ralph Mancio goes, yeah, life,

817
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:42,440
that's for the talent.

818
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 1: So was the guy who played Bob.

819
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 2: That was a guy who played Bob Leaife Garrett was

820
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,960
thrown under the bus by Johnny caid.

821
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,679
Speaker 1: Ah, that's fantastic.

822
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:58,519
Speaker 2: It wasn't enough to kill Bob. He also had to

823
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:01,599
throw the actor into the bus, all right. Soda Pop

824
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:04,920
Curtis played by Rob Low, seventeen years old turned eighteen

825
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,840
during filming. Tom Cruise read for this part, but one

826
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:10,039
of the descriptions of Soda Pop Curtis is that he

827
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:12,840
was insanely cute boy.

828
00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

829
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,519
Speaker 2: And Rob Low is just the prettiest man in the

830
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:16,239
face of the earth.

831
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,079
Speaker 1: Sure, that was a lock rightest man I ever seen.

832
00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:23,280
Tom Cruise though, Like I mean, this is pre all

833
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,760
Tom Cruise, right, This is basically Tom Cruise's very first movie. Well,

834
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,400
he'd been in Taps, right, But he keeps his back

835
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,880
to the camera the entire time. Like his face he's

836
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,320
barely even when he's in it. He's it's as though

837
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,559
he is avoiding, like he's like, I don't want to

838
00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:43,559
be a part of this movie, and he's turned away,

839
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:46,039
or unless he's eating cake and wants to show you

840
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,400
all the cake in his head, then he'll give you

841
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,239
a full frontal smile. But he it was weird to

842
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,159
see him not be the spotlight in this movie. Yeah.

843
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: I did see one scene that was deleted where he

844
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,159
was grabbing at a Sosho's trying to drive off and

845
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,039
he's reaching through the and trying to pull this guy

846
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:03,199
out the window, and I thought, that's a young Jack

847
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:04,000
Reacher right there.

848
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he was tough, and he was still yeah,

849
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,920
he was still ripped at this point. He was for

850
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,079
sure all right.

851
00:42:09,159 --> 00:42:11,679
Speaker 2: By the way, Roblo s he Hinton, you know what

852
00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:14,960
what happens to Soda Bob Curtis down the line? She said,

853
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:18,400
in my mind, he dies in Vietnam? Okay to Bit Matthews. Yeah,

854
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:22,239
played by Amilio Estevez. Yeah, he was about twenty years

855
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,880
old when he shot this. They knew Emilio because he's

856
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:27,880
Martin Sheen's kid from Apocalypse Now.

857
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he also is in tex He was in text. Yeah,

858
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,239
that's right.

859
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 2: Emilio Estevez is one of the only guys to star

860
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:37,679
in three se Hinton movies. He was in Text, he

861
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,119
was in The Outsiders, and he was in that was

862
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:41,000
then this is now.

863
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: So you you when we started, before we started rolling today,

864
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,480
before we turned the microphone on, I was like, you know,

865
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:50,840
there kind of is an Outsider's part two. That was

866
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,880
then this is now is a continuation of the story.

867
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:58,719
What yes, so, yeah, Like characters from The Outsiders are

868
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,239
also characters and that was then this is now. Pony

869
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,920
Boy is in there. He is. It is a minor part,

870
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,639
but he's in there. The Outsiders takes place in the sixties,

871
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,360
and you remember that what's the name of the character

872
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,960
who takes Johnny aside and talks to him the car

873
00:43:15,039 --> 00:43:19,360
the Sosh that was there, Randy. Yes, yeah, So Randy

874
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,159
moves from being a sosh to being a hippie and

875
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,199
that was then this is now, and so it's an

876
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:29,679
entirely it's an entirely different group of folks, but there

877
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,239
are some carryovers. Pony Boy is there, he's Randy is

878
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:38,320
there as hippie and it is part two of the Outside. Wow.

879
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:43,800
The script was actually developed by Emelio Stevez. Really interesting.

880
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,039
Speaker 2: Okay, that's great man, that's great.

881
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: Okay.

882
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: Also, according to Emilio Estevez, when they rumble happened, I mean,

883
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,199
Francis Porkopo is like, man, get in there, mix it

884
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,360
up with these people. Right, Tommy Hall got punched in

885
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,519
the jaw. Tom Cruise lost a tooth.

886
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,039
Speaker 1: Well that's funny because I listened to Coppla talk about

887
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:04,039
this and he said he was so worried about this

888
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,599
because you've got so many people all fighting at the

889
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:11,159
same time that you don't know somebody might actually get hit.

890
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:14,599
He goes, somebody could accidentally get hit, somebody could lose tooth.

891
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:19,719
I didn't realize that it actually happened. And so what

892
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:23,400
does he do. He exacerbates the problem by pouring water

893
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:25,960
on top of everybody. Yeah, because because in the middle

894
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,639
of the rumble, I mean two seconds in, it starts

895
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:31,320
to rain, which creates a great effect. I mean, it's

896
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,840
really cool to see people, I mean leath the weapon

897
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,320
says it all. It's great to see guys fighting in

898
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,960
the rain, right yep. But with people slipping and sliding,

899
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,440
the chances that somebody's going to get cole cocked or

900
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,679
lose a tooth are escalated for sure. Apparently Tom Cruise

901
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:46,719
had to go get dental work.

902
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 2: And there's a dentist in Tulsa that still has the

903
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,119
picture on his wall. Tom Cruise and me, doctor Johnson

904
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:54,559
whatever get his tooth fixed.

905
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:56,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, his teeth were pretty bad back then, so it's

906
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,360
word it probably was an improvement. Yeap.

907
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 2: All right, Let's talk real quick about Steve Randall, who

908
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,840
is Tom Cruise's character. We said he's barely in it, right,

909
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,599
He doesn't do a whole lot. He's Soda Pop's best friend.

910
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,719
They work at the gas station together, but a lot

911
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,480
of his parts were.

912
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 1: Kind of cut down. The gas station, real quick, touch

913
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:17,440
on that. Yeah, the gas station, the X station. When

914
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:19,920
I saw that, I was like, dude, I remember that place,

915
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,840
and I took a picture of it because that was

916
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,559
a station that I remember seeing when I was a kid. Right, yeah,

917
00:45:24,599 --> 00:45:26,400
you've been there. I went there yesterday.

918
00:45:26,519 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: So apparently so for whatever reason, they shot it at

919
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,880
this d X station that's like twenty minutes.

920
00:45:31,639 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: North of Tulsa. I have Sperry, Sperry.

921
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:37,639
Speaker 3: Sperry, Oklahoma, Sperry, Oklahoma, and I drove up there listen

922
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:42,199
to this, So I'm there at My internet connections not great,

923
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,199
as you might imagine.

924
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: Right, I drive to the d X station. It's prominent. Man,

925
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:47,719
it's right there. As you come to town, I'm like,

926
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:50,199
holy crap, that's the d X station, right, I pull over.

927
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,320
You can actually go inside there. They got a picture

928
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,199
of Rob Low and a picture of Tom Cruise and

929
00:45:56,199 --> 00:45:59,000
it says Employees of the Month, May nineteen sixty six.

930
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. And it's not an operational gas station, no, no,

931
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:07,079
but it is. The people of Sperry said, hey, this

932
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,960
is a historic site. We need to renovate this place.

933
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: With the help of one Danny Boy O'Connor.

934
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: Tune in next week, folks.

935
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 2: Yes, by the way. So I'm standing there and I

936
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,960
look across the street and there's a rex Cell store.

937
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:23,079
Speaker 1: Right, and I'm like, what is this from?

938
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:25,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, why do I recognize this?

939
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: Right? So I call you, you don't answer. I was working.

940
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 2: I called Deaf Dave, he doesn't answer. I called Jeff Johnson,

941
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,199
he doesn't answer. I get a hold of James Buckley.

942
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:38,400
He's in home depot, like picking up some nails or whatever.

943
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:40,599
And I say, hey, man, I'm out in the middle

944
00:46:40,599 --> 00:46:43,480
of nowhere. My internet's not great. Can you help me

945
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:46,320
google this? Place and he stands there and does it.

946
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 1: He finds it.

947
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,559
Speaker 2: He sends me a picture and there's a picture if

948
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,360
you go to our YouTube page. Hopefully I'll have this

949
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,639
video up. But there's a great shot of Dally pony Boy.

950
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,960
Johnny Kaid's right in front of this rex All store,

951
00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:59,280
sitting in.

952
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: The back of a car, yep, smoking a cigarette. Yes, fantastic, yeap.

953
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,039
Speaker 2: All right, Two more people that we got to talk about. Okay,

954
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,199
Diane Lane as Cherry Valance m Man. So she was

955
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:11,880
sixteen years old when she did this.

956
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:14,519
Speaker 1: Shut up, now, I got to reconsider everything.

957
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: Well, she's beautiful. I mean, let's be real, she's beautiful, right.

958
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 1: I love again. I'm gonna bring Caleb up because he

959
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:22,519
stayed up here for a while, like talking to us

960
00:47:22,519 --> 00:47:25,280
about the Outsiders, and he was like, yeah, she wasn't pretty.

961
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:29,320
I'm like, shut up what He's like, eh nah, And

962
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,840
I'm like, dude, you need to look again. He's like okay,

963
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,719
and he's and I'm like, search Diane Lane. He's like,

964
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,920
wait a minute. This is Superman's mom. Superman's mom.

965
00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 3: She's old.

966
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: Oh, well, what do you do?

967
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:43,599
Speaker 3: I know?

968
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,119
Speaker 1: And we we tried, I mean, coll Lee in her prime.

969
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,159
She was made. I told him, he's like she dated

970
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,840
John bon Jovi. Yeah, he goes, well, that is good.

971
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. Other people considered for the part of Cherry Valance

972
00:47:57,079 --> 00:48:00,920
Sarah Jessica Parker, Helen Slater, Heather Camp.

973
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: Brook Shields. Can you see brook Shields? Sure in nineteen

974
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,440
eighty two? Sure? Yeah? Right? Yeah?

975
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So a little bit more on Diane Lane for you. Okay,

976
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,920
So this is what I really found interesting. So again,

977
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:16,679
Francis port Coppola is putting these guys up to this

978
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,119
behavior during the shooting of the movie, and so he

979
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,159
really wants Matt Dillon under her skin.

980
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: She'll probably fall in love with him later.

981
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: So during the drive in scene, he's like, bug her, right,

982
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:32,199
get after her. And so he really did bug her

983
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,199
and it really irritated her, and so she was tense

984
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,239
around Matt Dillon and there was this feeling of tension

985
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,840
between the two of them, which is interesting because they

986
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,239
go on to star in Rubblefish together.

987
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,760
Speaker 1: So would we describe that as sexual tension? I would

988
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,119
definitely say sexual tension. Okay.

989
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: By the way, when I was in Tulca yesterday, the

990
00:48:54,199 --> 00:48:57,920
one place that I wanted to go for Rumblefish was

991
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:01,480
Patty's house when I got there. It's this private drive

992
00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:04,400
and it was locked. It's a cul de sac, it's

993
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,159
not even really a neighborhood, and they had a gate

994
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,760
and I could not get in. I told you, I

995
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:13,719
tried to leave my body and like hover. I tried

996
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,480
to hover over Tulsa to look at it, but I

997
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:18,199
could not get there.

998
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: If you don't get that reference, please go watch Rumblefish.

999
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:22,440
Please go watch it.

1000
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,559
Speaker 2: Okay, really, please go watch Rumblefish.

1001
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:28,039
Speaker 1: So here's what's interesting in that that particular scene where

1002
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:32,519
they're in front of Patty's house, right and he's getting

1003
00:49:32,519 --> 00:49:35,199
cigarettes out of the back of her car and helping

1004
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:39,400
Ish with groceries and actually stealing some of her cigarettes

1005
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,440
at that moment, right right. They shot it a few

1006
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:47,599
times and when they got it to print, there were sprockets,

1007
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,280
like the sprockets of the film were showing up in

1008
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:55,480
the cut that they had, and so Francis for Koppe

1009
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:58,800
was like, oh, well that sucks. I mean, that's messages

1010
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,840
this scene. But it was only in one take, right,

1011
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:04,719
They only showed up in one take. But he's looking

1012
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,639
at him. He's like, but that's the best that's the

1013
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:09,159
best take. That's the best take. And so finally he

1014
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,199
was like, I don't care. I don't care that the

1015
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,360
sprockets are going to show up and it's going to

1016
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,800
be a distraction in the audience will just think it's stuff. Well,

1017
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:21,199
they'll think it's like something wrong with the projector. Right, yeah,

1018
00:50:21,199 --> 00:50:23,559
there you go. And so what they didn't realize is

1019
00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:25,960
that the same wrong thing with the projector happened in

1020
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:29,840
every theater in the country that was showing the show.

1021
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,519
But he was like, it was it was so well done,

1022
00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:35,119
they did it so perfectly on that take. I could

1023
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:38,639
not sacrifice it just because it had this issue in it.

1024
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:42,119
And if you watch the DVD, it's not there any

1025
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:43,880
He was confused by that. Yeah, he was like, well,

1026
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,199
let's see if it's there. Nope, not there, get to

1027
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,239
clean it up. Yeah.

1028
00:50:47,639 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: By the way, Diane Lane and Matt Dillon have started

1029
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:52,719
three movies together.

1030
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:54,599
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's these two.

1031
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 2: Outsiders, Rumblefish, and a movie called The Big Town in

1032
00:50:58,079 --> 00:50:59,000
nineteen eighty seven.

1033
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:00,639
Speaker 1: I feel like that was steamy one.

1034
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: I consider myself an eighties movie like connoisseur.

1035
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this one. Yeah, I think

1036
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,719
that was a steamy one. Okay, interesting. Yeah.

1037
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 2: By the way, Tom Cruise went directly to Diane Lane

1038
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,480
during the filming of The Outsiders and said, Hey, I'm

1039
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,480
doing a movie called Risky Business, and I think he'd

1040
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:21,760
be great to play the part of the prostitute. And

1041
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,440
Diane Lane's dad said, no, frigging.

1042
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: Way, she's sixteen. She's sixteen, right right, yeah, no, sorry,

1043
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:31,239
I'm yes, Okay, keep on going.

1044
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,639
Speaker 2: By the way, the girl who plays Patty's sister in Rubblefish,

1045
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:42,119
Domino Domino. Yeah, that is Sophia Coppola, the director.

1046
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: The director, Sofia Coppola, the daughter of Francis Ford Coppola,

1047
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,360
and he he admits like she's his favorite, right, yeah,

1048
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,480
admits it and real quick on this. So the two

1049
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:56,039
if you see associate producers in the credits, they're both

1050
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,880
last names, both Coppola, that's one of them. There's Roman Coppola,

1051
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:07,440
and then there's also Giancarlo Coppola. Giancarlo was his son. Unfortunately,

1052
00:52:07,639 --> 00:52:11,400
as much as I like Rumblefish, it was an absolute

1053
00:52:11,559 --> 00:52:15,719
financial failure. It was a bomb, yeah, and a financial

1054
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,559
failure that came just shortly off the heels of a

1055
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:23,840
musical that was also a financial failure, and so Zoo

1056
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:29,079
Trope went bankrupt. And so while Zo Trump is in

1057
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:32,559
this bankruptcy stage, they like lock everything up, right, they

1058
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:35,159
lock all the doors up. Giancarlo who he called Geo,

1059
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,800
that was his name. Yeah, he's twenty something at this point,

1060
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:43,800
you know, early twenties. Yes, he breaks in. This movie

1061
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:47,760
Rumblefish was shot on these Zeist lenses, which are just

1062
00:52:48,119 --> 00:52:52,199
incredibly good lenses, and you get so many close ups

1063
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,440
in this and it's so crisp and so beautiful in

1064
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:59,960
all this art film style that he's done. And Geo

1065
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:02,880
knows how much his dad loves these lenses and that

1066
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,320
they're locked up, so he breaks in and he steals them.

1067
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,599
Now that's part one of the story. Part two of

1068
00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:13,840
the story is Geo, just three years later, is on

1069
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:18,119
a boat with another young twenty something guy who is

1070
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:21,639
acting in a film that Francis is directing. The guy's

1071
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,679
name is Griffin O'Neil I believe. Okay, he's in the

1072
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:29,639
Wraith as well. Okay, anyway, they're on a boat together, speedboat.

1073
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:34,440
Griffin is piloting the boat. He sees two other boats.

1074
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,320
He decides to go between the two boats. Don't go

1075
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:41,320
between them, go between them. Yes, so sorry, that's hilarious,

1076
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,760
except how this story ends. Oh okay, all right. So

1077
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,679
he decides to go between the boats, not realizing that

1078
00:53:48,679 --> 00:53:53,559
they're actually tied together. Oh no, he realizes it and

1079
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:57,039
ducks out of the way in time, but Geo does

1080
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:00,840
not what and is killed twenty two years old. He dies.

1081
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,679
Who ties boats together? I don't know. I don't know,

1082
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,639
and and I mean, I think he I think this

1083
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,639
guy got a misdemeanor charge out of the deal out

1084
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:13,880
of it as well, and obviously got fired from the

1085
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,800
Francis Ford Coppola. So it's this really very short moment

1086
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,960
in the commentary after he has told this story about

1087
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:24,119
Geo going in to steal these lenses that he that

1088
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,400
and he's and he's just like, so I still have

1089
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,519
the lenses. I don't have my son, but I have.

1090
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:31,239
Then it's horrible and I was and that's all that

1091
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:32,960
he said, and I was just like, oh my gosh,

1092
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,440
what happened to him? And so that is the tragic

1093
00:54:36,559 --> 00:54:40,199
story of one of the producers who is also one

1094
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,840
of the guys who's in the kind of orgy scene

1095
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,800
that they have at the after they break into the

1096
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:46,920
house in the in the movie.

1097
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,159
Speaker 2: Okay, by the way, just to continue, I thought with

1098
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,880
Sophia Coppola. Yeah, she also appears in The Outsiders. Yeah,

1099
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,800
she's a little bratty girl. It comes up and it

1100
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,159
is like bugging Matt Dillon for a nickel. Hey, Master,

1101
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,079
you got a nickel, and he's like, go awake it.

1102
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:03,960
I want to that's Francis for Coopla's daughter. And he

1103
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,000
you can tell he shines with joy when he sees

1104
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:10,559
young Sophia in his movies.

1105
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. He he looks at movies. It's the opportunity, just

1106
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,239
like home videos, to capture a moment in time. He

1107
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:18,960
and who better to do that with with your than

1108
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,039
your own family. Absolutely, And we mentioned in our Godfather

1109
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:27,239
episode she's the baby who's getting christened. That's exactly right. Yeah,

1110
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:27,639
all right.

1111
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 2: The last guy I want to talk about in depth

1112
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:33,079
is the guy who plays Bob Sheldon. Kay, Yeah, that

1113
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,800
was played by Leife Garrett life Life, not Leaf. I

1114
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,960
saw him in a interview and he's like, for the record,

1115
00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,119
yeah it's not Leif long a Leafe Garrett.

1116
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:45,360
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, I must be the Viking way to

1117
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,000
pronounce it. I don't know, I guess.

1118
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:50,639
Speaker 2: So he was the most famous guy out of the

1119
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,159
cast when they shot the movie.

1120
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: That's hysterical, I mean, right, yeah, life, that's for the talent.

1121
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 2: He was a seventies like heart throb, like a little popstar.

1122
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:03,280
Speaker 1: Interesting.

1123
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: But the thing was is that he was brought up

1124
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,679
as an actor, and managers and stuff said, hey, man,

1125
00:56:09,679 --> 00:56:10,880
you're so popular right now.

1126
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:11,519
Speaker 1: You're a singer.

1127
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,599
Speaker 2: And he's like, I don't really sing, and they're like,

1128
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:15,599
that's all right, we got all your songs written for you,

1129
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,239
and you're gonna go around the world and we're going

1130
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:19,639
to sell records. So they kind of made him like

1131
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,679
forced him into singing. He didn't care about any of

1132
00:56:22,679 --> 00:56:23,199
this stuff.

1133
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:24,760
Speaker 1: Huh and uh.

1134
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:28,199
Speaker 2: Anyway, two thousand and one he declares bankruptcy and he's

1135
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:30,159
had kind of a hard life since this time.

1136
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:33,039
Speaker 1: But I thought he.

1137
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,159
Speaker 2: Did a great job as the ring wearing sous that

1138
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:39,480
beat up Johnny Cad and Johnny Cad.

1139
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: Ends up killing his famous song, By the Way, I

1140
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:46,119
was made for dancing. Okay, should we listen to that

1141
00:56:46,199 --> 00:57:00,599
right here? Okay? Then, and you Haberg here you that's

1142
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:04,760
a little seventies gold for you right there. So that

1143
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,480
is the cast of the Outside. Okay, ladies and gentlemen.

1144
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:10,719
That is the end of episode one of the Outsiders

1145
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,079
versus Rumblefish. Please hit that follow button, hit that subscribe

1146
00:57:14,079 --> 00:57:17,519
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1147
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:21,159
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1148
00:57:21,239 --> 00:57:24,280
Outsiders Museum and is super familiar. Has a new book

1149
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,639
out that just came out last fall on some of

1150
00:57:26,679 --> 00:57:30,239
the unknown photographs that occurred on the scenes. Excited to

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talk to him about that and the Outsiders Museum itself,

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and we'll talk more about production, reception, soundtracks, all of

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those amazing things. Next episode. We'll see you guys next week.