Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
Be Serious podcast. I am here with a man about town.
I am here with an explore revolutionary. I am here
with the guy who has been to the places that
you haven't. I'm here with my co host, mister Jason Colvin.
How you doing, man, I'm doing well. How you doing?
I'm doing great? So Jason, it was yesterday, it was yesterday.
It was yesterday. Jason is calling me to go, Hey,
I'm in this place that's got a sign on the
wall that says rumblefish happened here. Do you remember the scene? Yeah?
And I was like, uh, can you FaceTime me? And
so we facetimed and I'm looking and I'm like, oh yeah,
that's where he gets mugged and you're like, what happened now?
I'm like, you know, he gets hitting the head with
the crowbar and you're like, I'm sorry, I don't remember
that part. I'm like, okay, you'll get this. It's where
Bob from Batman shows up and you're like, oh, yeah,
that's that's right, Bob my number one a guy. So
you just got to know how to speak the language.
That's that's the key here, right, that's right.
Speaker 2: So yesterday I spent about five or six hours roaming
the area around Tulsa, Oklahoma, and I went to as
many sites as I could for the Outsiders and Rubblefish,
and I had a unbelievable time doing it. Met some
great people that I want to throw shout out to. Okay,
So I went into a shop in Sepulpa, Oklahoma, and
Supulpa is where they shot a lot of the scenes
from Rubblefish. So I go into a shop and I ask.
Speaker 1: An older gentleman.
Speaker 2: I'm like, hey, man, I know this is a weird question,
and I'm walking in out of the blue, but do
you know anything about Rubblefish? And the guy like got
this look on his face like finally someone right, right,
He says, listen, I'm not from here. I don't really know,
but I know who does.
Speaker 1: And he leaves.
Speaker 2: He takes me out of his storefront. This is like
a little knickknack shop. He walks me down like three
or four doors down, leaves his shop completely wide open.
Speaker 1: Wasn't this a character in like Phantom Menace or something
that's the ball? Sorry, yeah, I'm sorry. Sepulpacha, Okay, I'm
with you, now, go ahead.
Speaker 2: And so he walks me down and I meet a
guy named Micah. His name is Micah Chillette and he
writes for the local Supulpa newspaper, the Supulple Times. This
guy says, hey, Micah, here's a guy here who wants
to know about rubblefish. And his eyes light up, and
Micah is like, oh great, I know everything there is
to know about Rubblefish. Let me take you around and
show you all these locations.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, fantastic.
Speaker 2: So I see the outside of Rusty James apartment and
the infamous fire escape which has been torn down now,
but they salvaged it. Danny boyl connor is going to do.
Speaker 1: Something with it later. Wait, who Danny boy O'Connor? This
is I feel like this is going somewhere. Keep going
with your story. Well, stay with me, okay.
Speaker 2: He takes me down to the courthouse, the Suppulple Courthouse,
and apparently they shot scenes from the Outsiders where pony
Boy was like on trial and whether that the fountain
incident was self.
Speaker 1: Defense or not not. In the theatrical relief Make It
came out in two thousand and five, and the re edit.
Speaker 2: Yes, he takes me also to the there's a place
in Rumblefish where the boys kind of get in the
wrong area of town. He takes me to that place
and so we go in there. He's talking to a
guy who works there, had no idea that a movie
was filmed there.
Speaker 1: And then he takes.
Speaker 2: Me like, I go through the lock door, like over
a stack of junk, you know, up the hallway, this backstaircase.
He opens the door and he takes me to Rusty
James apartment on the third floor of this building that's
been gutted.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And I was He's like, see that wallpaper right there,
you can see that in the movie. There's where Dennis
Hopper was, There's where Mickey Rourke was, There's where Matt
Dillon was. And I was just in movie Geek Heaven.
Speaker 1: So you were a kid in a candy store. I
wa mean for our listeners who don't know, Jason is
the location guy, like he loved, like one of our
very first episodes. He loved talking about how he was
at the place that you see at the beginning of
Raiders of the Lost Dark. He swung on the rope out.
I did swung on the rope out into the river,
just like Indiana Jones. And so yesterday he got to
go see Sepulpa where a lot of Rumblefish was filmed.
But also you mentioned Danny Boy O'Connor and you were
also in Tulsa proper singing scenes and locations for the Outsider.
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: So Danny Boyle O'Connor, for those of you who don't know,
he is one of the hip hop artists.
Speaker 1: Who hold on, hold on before you jump into this.
The guys. I walked in and my son Caleb is
talking to Jason, and as I walk in, I heard
Caleb going who and You're like listen and you start
playing jump around and Caleb's like, you're gonna talk to
that guy? Yes. So for our listeners who don't know,
Danny Boy O'Connor is one of the members of House
of Pain who has changed vocations. I mean he's still
doing he's still doing rapping and music and all of that,
but he has an entire story that we are going
to go over with him on our next episode. So
be sure and hit the follow button, be sure and
hit the subscribe button, because he has a incredible story
about the origin and creation of the Outsiders Museum.
Speaker 2: It's more than that, because this is the intersectionality of
nineties hip hop and eighties movies that will blow your
socks off. So fingers crossed, We're.
Speaker 1: Going to have an interview with him next episode. Next episode.
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, real quick before I leave this,
if anybody is in Tulsa, Oklahoma and is interested in
these things. Almost all of these landmarks are within a
few miles of themselves. So Crutchfield Park, the Curtis Brothers House,
Johnny KDE's House, the Movie Theater, all of it is
within a few miles. It's really easy to do fantastic.
So we've kind of just dived in here. But here's
our introduction. We are talking about the Outsiders verse versus Rumblefish.
Both of them Francis Ford Copple of movies. Both of
them came out in nineteen eighty three, which means they
are celebrating their fortieth anniversary in March. Outsiders will hit
its fortieth sometime in the fall. Rumblefish will hit its
fortieth anniversary. And they are both also se hitting novels
and so this is like the perfect matchup and both
filmed in the Tulsa area, that's right, which both Jason
and I have lived there. Jason grew up there. I
lived there for a couple of years when I first
moved to Oklahoma. So we're both very familiar with the
area that these movies were filmed in. And Jason can
tell you, since he was there yesterday, that a lot
of these places look exactly the same as they did
forty years It's stunning.
Speaker 1: It's stunning.
Speaker 2: I went to the drive in, like the Admiral Twin
drive in theater, and I could literally I'm like there,
it is right there, right on the other side of
the fence.
Speaker 1: Fantastic beach Party movie. That's fantastic. Okay. So let's let's
talk origin of these stories. Okay, very good, Okay. So
the stories both start off with books, and they have
an author that has one of the most unique stories
you've ever heard. Jason hit me, all right.
Speaker 2: So Susan Eloise Hinton Susie Susie. Yeah, oh you know,
se as you may be familiar with her. She was
fifteen years old writing this story, right while she's making
a D plus and creative writing and failing English class.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So if you have a student. If you have
a child who is doing dismally bad in their English class,
there's still hope.
Speaker 2: That to me is mind blowing. What teacher would give
grades like this anyway, So she's at will Rogers High School,
which incidentally is where Pony Boy goes to high school
in The Outsiders. She starts chipping away at this story,
and it's about rival gangs in her school in Tulsa.
For whatever reason, the north side is kind of the
bad side of town, and the further you get south,
the more money there is. And so there was a
fight between the greasers, the rough guys, and then the
south side socials.
Speaker 1: Right, the socials, right, it's so not socks.
Speaker 2: When my son first read this novel, I told you
this yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was asking him, Okay, well, how's it going, you know,
when he's a fifth grade or whatever, and he's telling
me he's like, yeah, so anyway, the greasers in the
socks are getting ready to rumble, and I'm like.
Speaker 1: It's not socks. Yeah, And again this one. If your
kids are mispronouncing words, it means they learned them by reading.
Don't be too hard on them. That's right. I can
remember when my daughter was like, hey, you know, we
should get one of those yachets. And we're like what, Yeah,
you know, the the yatchet and we're like, what is
a She's like, you know the big boat that like
people have the yatchet, like the yacht. The yacht? Is
that how you say that word? Yes, it is. So
please everybody, don't give up on your children. Yet there's
still hope. That's right. So she's fifteen years old, she's
failing or nearly failing creative writing, and she's writing her
own personal story about this story that she's heard about
the Soshias and the Greasers. That's right.
Speaker 2: So she's fifteen, starts to really kind of get into
it as she's sixteen as a junior in high school,
manages to get it published by the time she's eighteen.
And this basically invents the young adult genre for novels.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, if your son or daughter reads young adult,
you can think S. E.
Speaker 1: Hinton. There's an entire section of the library, a large
section that's a library that is young adult, and that
all started here. That's right.
Speaker 2: That book went on to sell over fourteen million copies
and continues to sell five hundred thousand copies a year.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. This is a book published in nineteen sixty seven.
A fifteen year old author is one of the most
successful authors of all time.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and still lives in Tulsa and just kind
of hangs out with her husband and that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So when did this book come out?
Speaker 2: The Outsiders was published in nineteen sixty seven, okay. Rumblefish
was published in nineteen seventy five.
Speaker 1: Okay. So interestingly, there are other things going on at
this time. We've talked about them before. One of them
happened in nineteen seventy two, and then the other one
happened in nineteen seventy four, and we talked about it
almost exactly a year ago. Right now. It was Francis
Ford Coppola's The Godfather and The Godfather Part two. So
right around the time that Si Hinton has become famous
for The Outsiders and has written this other novel, Rumblefish,
Francis Ford Coppola is becoming famous for, I mean, two
of arguably the best movies of all time, maybe the
greatest movies of all time. Now here's what blew my mind. Right.
You've got The Godfather, you have the Conversation and that
where you remember from our Godfather episode and if you
haven't heard it, please go back and check that out
fiftieth anniversary last year. As a deal to do The Godfather,
he said, I want to be able to do the Conversation, right.
He had this pet script that he wanted to do,
and they're like, okay, you can do that. And so
that's what came in between The Godfather and The Godfather
Part two is the Conversation. Sure his coup de gras
in his own mind, right, right. And then he does
Apocalypse Now, which is another one of the greatest movies
of all time. So we've got The Godfather, We've got
The Conversation, We've got The Godfather Part two, we've got
Apocalypse Now. And then he says, you know what, I'll
do a musical and he does this movie called One
from the Heart that has Terry Garr in it, of
all people, right, and so here he is, he's like zoomin.
He's like, I can do anything. And so you know
what are you gonna do next, mister Coppola. I think
I'll do a low budget teen movie. What how does
this happen? And how does he go from these three
monumental successes this let me show you what I can
do this pet project to this movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's mind blowing. Right, What in the world is
going on in Francis Ford Koppla's brain to go from
those movies that you mentioned to basically.
Speaker 1: And After School Special?
Speaker 2: Right now, here's what happens. There's a librarian at Lone
Star Elementary School in Fresno, California.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, and.
Speaker 2: She notices that all of her sixth, seventh, and eighth
graders coming through her library are really interested in The Outsiders,
and she begins to talk to them, and they come
to her and they're like, is this a movie?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Can we watch this movie? And she realizes there's this
market for these kids that like want to see this movie.
She gets fifteen pages worth of signatures. They all decide,
Francis Ford Kopla is the guy we want to make
this movie.
Speaker 1: I mean why not? I mean, you know, hey, who
is a director you've heard of at this point, Well,
there's the guy that did The Godfather and Apocalypse? Now,
how about that guy? All right, let's give it to Yeah, sure,
let's do it. I mean why not?
Speaker 2: I mean the greatest director of the time. Let's see
if he'll do this movie for us. So she sends
this letter requesting him to do this movie. But here's
the interesting part. She doesn't send it to this movie studio,
which like ninety nine percent of the people would. She
finds this obscure address in New York where he has
an active mail account, but not really anybody else there
but him. So for whatever reason, she chooses that address
to send this letter to Nice and it bypasses all
the stupid people at the studio at the studio, which
would all the gatekeepers, all the gatekeepers, and it ends
up in his hand and he reads this letter and
he's moved by this.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. So he reads the novel and he's like,
I think I would like to do this. Yeah. So,
hearing this story, I reached out to Francis Ford Coppola,
I know, right, and actually we talked to his publicist
and his agent and they said, hey, he is in
the middle of filming a new movie, which I mean
he hasn't He's done virtually nothing in the last twenty years.
When you send me that text, I was like, what, Yeah,
they said, hey, super sorry. He is in the middle
of shooting this movie called Megalopolis. Yes, and he will
be busy with post production even when they're done with filming,
so he won't be able to do it. But at least, hey,
they said, thanks for asking. Okay. So he gets this
letter in the mail, and I mean she sends him
the she sends him the pages that are signed. He's
he's talking about. He's like, they're all in different inc.
I mean, this is a legit deal. He reads the book,
he says, I love it. I would love to do this, right,
And so where does he decide to go? Right? Was
he going to go to Kansas City where they wanted
to shoot The Godfather? No way. No, is he going
to go to La or they've got sets. No is
he going to go out to the jungle where they
shout apocalypse now? No, he is going to go to Tulsa, Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: I love this about Francis Portkopla. Yeah, there is no
way he was going to shoot The Godfather Kansas City.
Speaker 1: You talked about it. We talked about it during our
Godfather episode.
Speaker 2: He really is an artist and he wants the greatest
amount of accuracy and detail that he can, so I'm
going to Tulsa.
Speaker 1: Yep, love it. And so that's the origin story for
The Outsiders. Yes, very nicely, we will flow right into
the origin story for Rumblefish. So one of our key
characters in The Outsiders is Dally, played by a young
Matt Dillon. As he's in the midst of shooting The Outsiders,
Matt Dylan is like, Hey, you like sie Hinton and
she's there too, you should really check out Rumblefish. He
reads Rumblefish and falls head over heels in love. And Guys,
I know that probably ninety five percent of our audience
is familiar with The Outsiders, and I know probably five
percent of our audience is familiar with Rumblefish. It is
just it is not as successful. Came out the same year,
exact same year, both had Matt Dillon in it, both
Francis Ford Coppola, both s he Hinton. But Rumblefish, although
it does have a bit of a cult following, is
nothing like the following of the Outsiders. But in Francis
Ford Coppola's mind, there are two top movies of all
of the movies that he's made, and those two movies
are The Conversation, which I talked about right, and Rumblefish.
Speaker 2: I know I listened to his commentary. I know you
did as well.
Speaker 1: You can hear the.
Speaker 2: Adoration that he has for that story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that movie. Yes, when he read the book,
it touched in him a personal court. He identified with
what was going on in that story from experiences that
he had growing up in various places, because they moved
around a bunch, sure, and one of the places that
they landed was a place called Woodside. And he had
an older brother, Augustus, whose nickname was Augie. Yep, and
Oggi was a member of what he kindly referred to
as a social club, what we might call a gang.
And the name of that gang is the Wild Deuces.
The Wild Deuces. So if you are one of that
five percent who is familiar with Rumblefish, you will know
that name because that's the jacket that young Nick Coppola, yes,
better known as Nicholas Cage, is wearing in the movie.
It is his own father's jacket because Nick Cage, Nick Coppola,
is Francis Ford Coppola's nephew, Augie's son, is wearing Augie's
jacket in this movie.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, now, are you telling me that movie
star Nicholas Cage is actually born Nick Coppola in is
Francis Ford Coppola's nephew.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's incredible. It is awesome, dude, it is. It
is super awesome. So Francis dedicates this movie. At the
end of the movie, you'll see he dedicates this movie
to Aggie Coppola. And this movie is about a younger
brother and an older brother and their relationship. And he refers.
He says, this movie is dedicated to Ali Coppola, my
first and best teacher. There's something about the relationship between
a younger brother and an older brother that is almost undefinable,
and he tries to capture it in this movie. And
it's really truly incredible. It is an emotion that can't
be described. And he does something special to give us
that feeling and that emotion and that empathy. It's great
to see him take something and go completely. I mean,
we talk about how he goes from Godfather to Apocalypse
now to The Outsiders, and that's such a strange twist
of events. But he's in his own words, Rumblefish is
the opposite of the Outsiders.
Speaker 2: I think he says, like the flip side of the coin, Righteah.
Speaker 1: I mean opposite, flat out opposite. Whereas as you've got
colors and beauty, this is black and white and harsh reality.
You've got a PG rating, you got an R rating.
He says, They're the opposite. Used different editors, used different soundtracks,
totally different movies. But interestingly, early eighties, this is Coppola's
teen movies. These are both teen movies. So now what's
interesting is a year before these movies came out, nineteen
eighty two, Disney released a movie that was also an
s he Hitton novel. Yes, and that movie was called Techs. Right.
You know where I was filmed Tulsa, Oklama. Tulsa, Oklahoma again,
And I mentioned in our previous episode when I was
talking about, Hey, we're coming up on this, that my
sister in law, my brother's wife, she lived in Tulsa
at that time. Right. I talked to her on the
phone today. I'm like, hey, tell me the story about
what happened, you know, let's let's go, right, And she said, so,
they just they showed up to their high school, right,
and they said, anybody interested in this, you know, talking
about this movie, come on over and she goes, I
think we might have even been in a classroom, like
just sitting in there and the director came in. So
the director is there and they're talking to the kids.
I mean, you're talking to the high school kids, right, Hey,
we're doing this kind of high school movie. It's a
Disney movie, but we're kind of making this a little
more edgy than some of the Disney movies have been
in the bash sure, and so you know, hey, what
what stuff do you guys? Know? What skills do you have?
And they kind of start talking and eventually it's like, hey,
does anybody know how to ride a motorcycle? If you're
familiar with the movie text, you see Matt Dillon sitting
on a motorcycle, right, that's the poster. And my sister
in law is like, yeah, I know how to ride
a motorcycle, right, Ye, Well, my sister in law's maiden
name is Winters. And if there if we have any
fans out there who are motorcycle enthusiasts, her dad is
Leroy Winters, who is one of the most famous motorcycle
guys of the sixties.
Speaker 2: Okay, I bet Pat Cannadala knows who that guy is.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, hit me up, Pat if you know
who Leroy Winters is, right, bought my first motorcycle for
mister Leroy Winters in Fort Smith, Arkansas, which is where
she grew up, but she was living in Tulsa this time,
going to high school. Okay, anyway, they're like, do you
know how to ride a motorcycle? She's like, yeah, I
can do it, and they're like, okay, come out to this,
come out to the river, and let's see what she
can do. Her brother was supposed to meet her out there,
right and bring a motorcycle that they had. Well something
happened and he fell through, and so she's out there
and she's like, I'm sorry, guys, I don't have a
motorcycle to ride. And they're like, well, that's okay, we've
got one. And they give her like this five hundred
cc motorcycle that's kind of big for as a high
school girl. And they're like, show us what you can do.
See if you can do that jump over there, you know,
like giving her a challenge, like really, like was this
girl going to do anything? She's like okay, and she can't,
even like her feet won't both touch the ground on
this motorcycle, right, So she's thinking about that and she's like,
get going fast. So she is hauling ass to make
this jump, does the jump, and he's going so fast
that like she lands and has to skid to a
halt and it's right in front of them and it's
like er and then she has to jump off of
the motorcycle or she's gonna fall over because she can't
at your legs. So she literally jumps this giant thing,
skids right in front of him, jumps off and is
there holding the bike and they're like, wow, who are
you again? And she's like, my name's Robin Winters. And
then she's and they're like are you related to Leroy
Winters And she says yeah, he's my dad and he's
like oh. And she becomes the girl that they go
to to do all motorcycle things. She's in the movie text.
She's on the back of the motorcycle with Amelio Estevez.
I mean she becomes friends with Amelia, she becomes friends
with Meg Tilly. They go hang out and barbecue at
people's houses. She said, I think I'm I think I
met Charlie Sheen. I think he might have like almost
drowned in the river as we were out partying one night,
you know, and wow, they barbecue together, said she met Martin.
She went out to La after it was all over
and just had this fantastic time I learned about it
just this last these last couple of months, right, fantastic.
And so I mentioned that that she taught Mickey Rourke
to ride a motorcycle. Well that's not exactly right. She
helped him. She did. So when they got to Rumblefish Time,
Phodoo Howard gave her call, said, hey, can you come
help us out with this picture? We got some motorcycle stuff,
And so she came and she's talking to him and
she's like, well, who is this I'm supposed to help learn?
And she's like, Mickey Rourke was standing in a shadow
like smoking a cigarette and he just kind of appears.
She's like, wow, I feel like I know that guy's
And so she had just seen him in you know,
body heat or something like that. You know. Okay, so
she's like but she said, he kind of already knew,
but needed just a little kind of update, you know,
like you know, when you hear it get to that speed,
you need to switch gears, She said Matt Dillon though
he was a New York City kid who didn't know
anything about motorcycles, and she had to teach him everything.
So you got Texts on the motorcycle. My sister in
law is the guy who taught that guy hat to Wow. Wow,
that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Right, that's a great story. Yeah, I've got a text
story too. It's not as good as yours, but I'm
gonna throw this out there. So text comes out in
nineteen eighty. Obviously, I'm from Tulsa. This is all shot
in South Tulsa, around where I live.
Speaker 1: Right, this is the first.
Speaker 2: Time it hits me that movies are not real. So
Texts and his brother are driving around in a pickup
truck having a conversation, right, the conversation's continuity flows, right,
But they're by this thing, and then they're four miles
away in front of this thing, and then they're five
miles away in front of this thing. And then they're
going west, and then they're going east. And I'm like,
I'm a nine year old kid, going this what wait
a minute, this is not right?
Speaker 1: And then you saw RoboCop exactly.
Speaker 2: But the most unbelievable thing about texts is that Emilio
esta business character wears both a Oklahoma Sooners shirt and
an Oklahoma State Cowboy shirts. That's the thing that I
had the most.
Speaker 1: Problem with as a nine year old. Kiss funny. So
Emilio Estevez of course goes on and does the next
se Hinton movie, which is The Outsiders, as does Matt Dillon. Right,
Rourke tries out for it, doesn't get it right, but
Francis Ford Coppola likes him so much that he's like, Hey,
you need to come on back. And I'm kind of
I'm falling into casting here. So before I do that,
let me just tell one more story. Okay, sure, So
this is this is post both movies, right, Okay, into
both movies. He's doing the editing. He's editing the scene
in Rumblefish where Mickey Rourke decides to go in and
free all of the animals from the pet store. Okay,
it's very pee wee herman of him. Well, yes, right,
it's an interesting and an interesting conundrum, right, yes, And
so anyway, he is, he's filmed this, he's in the
midst of editing this. This is a part of the book.
This is part of the book Rumblefish, right, And so
he goes to see Hinton and he's like, hey, you
know that scene in the book where they decide to
let all of the animals go huh. She's like, yeah, yes,
how'd you come up with that idea? And she's like, no,
I saw that in a movie. Actually. He's like, what
was the movie and she's like, oh, I can't remember
the name of it. Uh, had James Cohn in it?
He was like, oh, James Kahn. Was it The Rain People?
She's like, yeah, that's it, The Rain People. And he's like, huh,
that's a movie that I wrote and directed right before
I did The God That's Friends. For So Francis Worp,
without even realizing it until after everything's done, is directing
a scene in a movie that the writer of the
book took from a scene of another one of his movies.
That is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: That's a fantastic story.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, we ready to get into casting. Let's
talk about okay, because I'm bursting at the scenes with
fun stuff to talk about with the cast. I mean you,
we could stop at Outsiders alone, because holy cow, this
is like the big bang of the Brat pack of
eighty stars. Right, yeah, it really is gigantic. All of
these guys who were one of the very first movies
that they're ever in.
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, after doing the Godfather movies and Apocalypse.
Now in the Black Stallion, you throw this out there.
It's an open cast call, and you bring in all
this young talent, and so of course you're gonna have
hugely talented people that want to be involved in this movie.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting way that they did it. So they
would bring in all these actors and they were all
sitting in the same room, and before we get specifically
who they were, Francis four Coppola would go, Okay, Dee Graves,
you're a pony boy, and Jason Colvin you are soda
pop and ready gope, yeah, and it would just kind
of toss him in the ring together. And so like
Tom Cruise read for five or six or seven different parts.
And I heard Rob Low talking about this. He said,
nobody really ever honed in that that was their role
because you played so many different roles, you really didn't
know where you stood or where you're.
Speaker 1: Going to land. Right. Ralph Mancio talks about this scenario
and he was like it was it was mind bending.
It was so stressful because you were sitting there watching
other guys read the part that you just read, and
you're thinking, oh my gosh, this is a different choice
that he's made, and what did I make the wrong choice?
And he's a new I mean a very new actor
and a New York kid. So he's trying to do
this Tulsa, Oklahoma. Actual, yes, and he's just panic, panic
stricken the entire audition. Okay, so let's get into it.
Speaker 2: But before we get into the big players, I want
to give you just a little bit of the little players.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So one of the guys that's in Outsiders and
Rumblefish and is a guy that we've talked about before.
His name is Tom Waits.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Tom Waits, who's more famous as a singer,
but has definitely had a slew of movies that he
has played a small part in.
Speaker 2: So he plays Buck Merril and the Outsiders and he
plays another small part in Rumblefish. But do you remember
when we talked about him before.
Speaker 1: We talked about how in the Dark Night that Heath Ledger.
We have a strong suspicion that Heath Ledger was channeling
his inner Tom Waits that when he did that, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the voice of the Joker. Yeah, took his voice
from Tom Waits.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have a growing level of popularity throughout the inner
continelly the United States. So yeah, okay, one more smaller
part I want to bring up to you. And this
blew my mind when I learned this. It's Michelle Myrink.
She's Cherry Valance's friend who sits next her at the
drive in.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I saw her and I was like, I
know that face. How do I know that face? I
know that face? And so I had to hit pause.
I had to look her up on IMDb and I
was like, ah, of course, yes.
Speaker 2: So she was in Valley Girls, she was in Revenge
of the Nerds, but really.
Speaker 1: For me, she's Jordan in Real Genius. Yes, that was
it for me too.
Speaker 2: I almost fell out of my chair.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, okay, so let's talk about pony Boy Curtis for
a second before you get there.
Speaker 1: Okay, just you're talking small parts before we get to
the big parts. I want to just throw out a
couple that, okay, may surprise you, all right, Yeah, yeah,
So in like extras, mind you. Yes, we have Melanie Griffith.
And also we have Heather langing Camp. Yes, and you
know what movie.
Speaker 2: She's She's freaking Nancy from Nyrore on Elm Street. Yes,
she's actually born and raised in Tulsa. Yeah, so Tulsa
actress Heather land Camp Nancy.
Speaker 1: And then another smaller part, speaking part and important part
in both of these movies is a guy named Glenn Withrow.
Glenn Withrow is the guy who comes up while Pony
Boy is sitting talking to Cherry at the drive in
theater and is like, did Dadley slash my tires? I
know he slashed my tires. Yeah. He also plays Biff
in Not Back to the Future, although I'm pretty confident
that's where they got his name. Probably yes, But he
plays Biff in Rumblefish, the guy who gets in the
initial rumble with Rusty James s Matt Dellen.
Speaker 2: And you were So he has his hair peroxided. He's
the guy who slashes in with a knife.
Speaker 1: Yeah, blonde guy. He's blond and rumblefishly different a greezer
in the Outsiders And then just real quick on that
one before we get too far off of him. So
there's a really dramatic scene where motorcycle Boy takes Biff out, right,
I mean, it's one of the most unforgettable scenes of
the movie. And it was actually the idea of the
stunt coordinator who said, what if we do this and
so the way that Biff, after he has made this
cowardly move of slashing Rusty James while he's looking away, Yeah,
motorcycle Boy uses his motorcycle to take Biff out and
it's a fantastic I mean, you just think about no
CG and nothing else. It hits him and he does
a full back flip up in the air and over
onto his face, basically right. Sure, it's incredible, And that
was the stunt coordinator who's like, you know, I think
we could pull this off. Buddy Joe Hooker, by the way,
stunt coordinator a ton of movies, but I just thought
that was a really cool scene. It was an amazing scene,
and they pulled it off flawless and once again all
in black and white.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it pops, It pops hard.
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about that here in a second, all right.
Speaker 2: Casting, Yeah, so pony Boy Curtis is the narrator of
the story. That's the character that C. Thomas Howell plays
in the movie.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Now you had people like Timothy Hutt and read for
this Anthony Michael Hall, like think Rusty in Vacation, very
young Anthony Michael Hall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, same year, same year, and that was that was
really his first big movie was Vacation.
Speaker 2: Val Kilmer read for pony Boy yeap.
Speaker 1: He was doing a stage play at that time. They
actually offered it to him and he turned it down.
Speaker 2: He couldn't do it because if he backed out, the
whole thing would have folded, and he felt responsible.
Speaker 1: Didn't want to do that.
Speaker 2: So I heard Rob Loow talking about when he knew
that C. Thomas Hall had the part right, and so
see Thomas how For those of you who may not know,
he was in the Hitcher, he was in et. He
was in a great eighties movie that a lot of
people have overlooked called Secret Admirer. It's one of my favorites.
I don't know why it's not a teen classic.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Solman right, Soulman Side Out.
Speaker 1: Married Raydon Cheng who was in Soulman. That's exactly right.
Speaker 2: Roblow was talking about when he knew C. Thomas Hall
had the part Francis four Coppola, who he was in
his style, he would be like, all right, Roblow, you
read for pony Boy. You know Val Kilmer, you read
for Soda Pop. You know Patrick Swayze, you read for
Johnny Kid, whatever, And they would just throw it all around,
right Roblow said, of course, they're all on the edge
of this warehouse watching Francis four Coppola would say, all right,
Tommy you stay, Uh, tom Cruise, you read for Soda Pop.
You know, Roblow, you read for Johnny cad and Dennis Quaid.
Speaker 1: You read for Dally.
Speaker 2: All right, you three out, Tommy, you stay. And as
soon as he started doing that, yeah, Roblo's like he's
got it.
Speaker 1: He's pony Boy. You know that. Coppla asked for Patrick
Swayze specifically, like a lot of those guys came into audition,
and he asked for Swayze specifically. Do you know what
movie he saw him in?
Speaker 2: What's the stupid roller skating movie.
Speaker 1: Called Skatetown USA. It is a monumental debut by mister
Patrick Swayze that earns a whopping four point eight on
the IMDb scale out of ten. It got him the
party and the Outsiders. What do you what.
Speaker 2: Roller Skates gave us Darryl and the Outsiders and eventually
Body in Point Break.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and dirty dancing, I mean dancing, that's right,
that right? Right?
Speaker 2: All right, So let's talk about the part of Dallas Winston.
He's the big battie, right, he's the hood right hood
get lost hood?
Speaker 1: Yeah right?
Speaker 2: Matt Doana just shot texts right s he Hitton is
the one who said I think he'd be a good Dallas.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's interesting in the novel, looks nothing like Matt Dylan.
He's blonde, looks totally different. And sie Hinton came to
Francis four coppola and said, you know, I think maybe
Matt Dylan is our guy. And so early on in
the auditions they're reading for all these different parts, Francis
four coppola goes to Matt Dillon and says, okay, you
can go home, Matt, and Matt's like, crap, they're sending
me home already. I blew it, right, I didn't get it.
I'm not anything. They're kicking me out of here. And
what he didn't know that he had already been decided.
Speaker 1: He was gonna be cast nice.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, Francis four Coppola during the filming went to Matt
Dillon and said, hey, you know, for your character, like
for your study of your character, why don't you spend
a couple of nights in jail. And Matt Dylan's like,
no way, Francis, you spend a couple of nights in jail, right,
So some guys who read for Dally, of course Tom Cruise,
Adam Baldwin, who was kind of the star of My Bodyguard,
and then Nick Cage. Nicholas Cage locked himself in a
room for two weeks stared at a picture of Charles
Bronson trying to channel his inner Dolly Us even though
his uncle is the director didn't get it. But of
course he shows up later in Rumblefish.
Speaker 1: Right. I thought this was funny.
Speaker 2: So Francis pour Coppola got mad at Matt Dillon during
the shooting of The Outsiders, Yeah, and called him a
get ready for it, brace yourself an airhead, and as
he had made him go, apologized.
Speaker 1: So that's that's funny. That's funny.
Speaker 2: By the way, Matt Dillon was like seventeen eighteen when
he filmed this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was fifteen Yeah, as I was looking at
as I was watching. I mean, it's there's something about
black and white. As I'm watching Rumblefish and he's in
that tank top white shirt, I'm just like, Matt Dylan
has the most perfect skin I've ever seen in my life.
I mean, it's just flawless. It's like, oh, it's because
he's seventeen years old. Well, but he doesn't have any
zits or anything. Yeah, I mean it's just he's like porcelain.
Speaker 2: It's just let's go to Darryl Curtis. That's the part
that Patrick Swayze plays.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, turns out Patrick Swayze's twenty nine when he makes this. Yep,
they wanted somebody to play the older brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they didn't want somebody to be too old.
Speaker 2: But somehow or another, he channels his inner twenty one
year old and plays just the right amount of older brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Mickey Rourke was actually one person that they had
in mind.
Speaker 1: To play for Darryl, right, right. Dennis Quaid is another. Okay, yeah,
yeah I heard that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So ultimately, Franz Sportcopola, like you said, liked him from
that movie rollers Gate America around USA Skate Down USA. Okay,
Johnny kaid, this is the part that Ralph Macchio plays. Yeah,
Ralph Machi was twenty years old.
Speaker 1: Let me just say this. Let me just say this,
all right. So you talked to Caylab before this, and
he was he was wowing you with his Star Wars knowledge, right, right.
He is more obsessed with Cobra Kai than he is
with Star Wars, Like, I mean, every day, it's like, okay, dad,
So mister Miyagi in his prime versus Johnny in his prime?
Who wins? I'm like, dude, I don't know. He's like, okay, okay, okay,
get it. How about this? How about Hawk in his
prime versus Johnny in his prime? I'm like, dude, I
don't what. I don't know this. These are real people,
yeah right, I don't yeah what. This is the movie? Right?
So anyway, he's he he and he gets mad when
people don't like Cobra Kai or Karate Kid stuff. Right. Sure.
So he comes in like when I'm a quarter of
the way through The Outsiders and I had mentioned to him,
I'm like, hey, I'm gonna go to watch this movie.
By the way, it's got Ralph Macchio and he's like, who,
I'm like Daniel's son. He's like, oh, okay, I might
can watch that with you. So he comes in after
I've been watching so many twenty five minutes of the movie.
Right right, we've hit the plot point the guy's been stabbed.
And then he comes in after they've made their escape,
and so he's like, oh, yeah, there's Daniel. And he
goes what's his name in this movie? And I was
like it's Johnny and he was like really. I was like, yes,
really is like you know why? That's funny? Right? I
was like, oh yeah, cratty kid, I get it. Yeah right, yeah,
So there you go, that's funny.
Speaker 2: So for the part of Johnny Caid, can you imagine
Scott Bao from Happy Days?
Speaker 1: No, Chachi, No, he can be Charles in Charge all day,
but not Johnny. Sorry no. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So Ralph Macchio talks about how when he read the
book as a seventh grader, he really latched onto this character,
and even though he read for different parts, he's like, man,
I really just want to play Johnny. I hope I
get Johnny.
Speaker 1: He said. Anytime he had to read for.
Speaker 2: Soda Pop or something else, he was just kind of
bummed that he wasn't reading for Johnny and ultimately got
his favorite character in the book. Now, one of the
things I thought was funny is that Tommy Hall and him,
you know, pony Boy and Johnny cad are like best buddies.
Well in real life, they were kind of irritants to
each other, okay, because Ralph Maccio is a serious actor
wants to make sure he's prepared and in his character,
and Tommy Howell was worried about getting a high.
Speaker 1: Score on pac Man. So yeah, as I understood, a
lot of the guys were practical joking throughout the entire shoot,
but Ralph Montio was not one of those guys. He
was very focused on giving it his absolute best and
didn't want to be any part of the shenanigans.
Speaker 2: One of the things that he did contribute a lot
to that A lot of people don't know this story.
So there's a real famous shot of the guys on
that movie poster and they're cracking up and it's a
great shot. Everybody's all smiles. So one of the guys
on set was reaching for some food on a table
and somebody corrected him and say, hey, man, that's for
the talent. That's not for you, right right, And while
they're taking this picture, they're all standing there. Ralph Mancio goes, yeah, life,
that's for the talent.
Speaker 1: So was the guy who played Bob.
Speaker 2: That was a guy who played Bob Leaife Garrett was
thrown under the bus by Johnny caid.
Speaker 1: Ah, that's fantastic.
Speaker 2: It wasn't enough to kill Bob. He also had to
throw the actor into the bus, all right. Soda Pop
Curtis played by Rob Low, seventeen years old turned eighteen
during filming. Tom Cruise read for this part, but one
of the descriptions of Soda Pop Curtis is that he
was insanely cute boy.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: And Rob Low is just the prettiest man in the
face of the earth.
Speaker 1: Sure, that was a lock rightest man I ever seen.
Tom Cruise though, Like I mean, this is pre all
Tom Cruise, right, This is basically Tom Cruise's very first movie. Well,
he'd been in Taps, right, But he keeps his back
to the camera the entire time. Like his face he's
barely even when he's in it. He's it's as though
he is avoiding, like he's like, I don't want to
be a part of this movie, and he's turned away,
or unless he's eating cake and wants to show you
all the cake in his head, then he'll give you
a full frontal smile. But he it was weird to
see him not be the spotlight in this movie. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I did see one scene that was deleted where he
was grabbing at a Sosho's trying to drive off and
he's reaching through the and trying to pull this guy
out the window, and I thought, that's a young Jack
Reacher right there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he was tough, and he was still yeah,
he was still ripped at this point. He was for
sure all right.
Speaker 2: By the way, Roblo s he Hinton, you know what
what happens to Soda Bob Curtis down the line? She said,
in my mind, he dies in Vietnam? Okay to Bit Matthews. Yeah,
played by Amilio Estevez. Yeah, he was about twenty years
old when he shot this. They knew Emilio because he's
Martin Sheen's kid from Apocalypse Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he also is in tex He was in text. Yeah,
that's right.
Speaker 2: Emilio Estevez is one of the only guys to star
in three se Hinton movies. He was in Text, he
was in The Outsiders, and he was in that was
then this is now.
Speaker 1: So you you when we started, before we started rolling today,
before we turned the microphone on, I was like, you know,
there kind of is an Outsider's part two. That was
then this is now is a continuation of the story.
What yes, so, yeah, Like characters from The Outsiders are
also characters and that was then this is now. Pony
Boy is in there. He is. It is a minor part,
but he's in there. The Outsiders takes place in the sixties,
and you remember that what's the name of the character
who takes Johnny aside and talks to him the car
the Sosh that was there, Randy. Yes, yeah, So Randy
moves from being a sosh to being a hippie and
that was then this is now, and so it's an
entirely it's an entirely different group of folks, but there
are some carryovers. Pony Boy is there, he's Randy is
there as hippie and it is part two of the Outside. Wow.
The script was actually developed by Emelio Stevez. Really interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's great man, that's great.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Also, according to Emilio Estevez, when they rumble happened, I mean,
Francis Porkopo is like, man, get in there, mix it
up with these people. Right, Tommy Hall got punched in
the jaw. Tom Cruise lost a tooth.
Speaker 1: Well that's funny because I listened to Coppla talk about
this and he said he was so worried about this
because you've got so many people all fighting at the
same time that you don't know somebody might actually get hit.
He goes, somebody could accidentally get hit, somebody could lose tooth.
I didn't realize that it actually happened. And so what
does he do. He exacerbates the problem by pouring water
on top of everybody. Yeah, because because in the middle
of the rumble, I mean two seconds in, it starts
to rain, which creates a great effect. I mean, it's
really cool to see people, I mean leath the weapon
says it all. It's great to see guys fighting in
the rain, right yep. But with people slipping and sliding,
the chances that somebody's going to get cole cocked or
lose a tooth are escalated for sure. Apparently Tom Cruise
had to go get dental work.
Speaker 2: And there's a dentist in Tulsa that still has the
picture on his wall. Tom Cruise and me, doctor Johnson
whatever get his tooth fixed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, his teeth were pretty bad back then, so it's
word it probably was an improvement. Yeap.
Speaker 2: All right, Let's talk real quick about Steve Randall, who
is Tom Cruise's character. We said he's barely in it, right,
He doesn't do a whole lot. He's Soda Pop's best friend.
They work at the gas station together, but a lot
of his parts were.
Speaker 1: Kind of cut down. The gas station, real quick, touch
on that. Yeah, the gas station, the X station. When
I saw that, I was like, dude, I remember that place,
and I took a picture of it because that was
a station that I remember seeing when I was a kid. Right, yeah,
you've been there. I went there yesterday.
Speaker 2: So apparently so for whatever reason, they shot it at
this d X station that's like twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: North of Tulsa. I have Sperry, Sperry.
Speaker 3: Sperry, Oklahoma, Sperry, Oklahoma, and I drove up there listen
to this, So I'm there at My internet connections not great,
as you might imagine.
Speaker 2: Right, I drive to the d X station. It's prominent. Man,
it's right there. As you come to town, I'm like,
holy crap, that's the d X station, right, I pull over.
You can actually go inside there. They got a picture
of Rob Low and a picture of Tom Cruise and
it says Employees of the Month, May nineteen sixty six.
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. And it's not an operational gas station, no, no,
but it is. The people of Sperry said, hey, this
is a historic site. We need to renovate this place.
Speaker 2: With the help of one Danny Boy O'Connor.
Speaker 1: Tune in next week, folks.
Speaker 2: Yes, by the way. So I'm standing there and I
look across the street and there's a rex Cell store.
Speaker 1: Right, and I'm like, what is this from?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, why do I recognize this?
Speaker 1: Right? So I call you, you don't answer. I was working.
Speaker 2: I called Deaf Dave, he doesn't answer. I called Jeff Johnson,
he doesn't answer. I get a hold of James Buckley.
He's in home depot, like picking up some nails or whatever.
And I say, hey, man, I'm out in the middle
of nowhere. My internet's not great. Can you help me
google this? Place and he stands there and does it.
Speaker 1: He finds it.
Speaker 2: He sends me a picture and there's a picture if
you go to our YouTube page. Hopefully I'll have this
video up. But there's a great shot of Dally pony Boy.
Johnny Kaid's right in front of this rex All store,
sitting in.
Speaker 1: The back of a car, yep, smoking a cigarette. Yes, fantastic, yeap.
Speaker 2: All right, Two more people that we got to talk about. Okay,
Diane Lane as Cherry Valance m Man. So she was
sixteen years old when she did this.
Speaker 1: Shut up, now, I got to reconsider everything.
Speaker 2: Well, she's beautiful. I mean, let's be real, she's beautiful, right.
Speaker 1: I love again. I'm gonna bring Caleb up because he
stayed up here for a while, like talking to us
about the Outsiders, and he was like, yeah, she wasn't pretty.
I'm like, shut up what He's like, eh nah, And
I'm like, dude, you need to look again. He's like okay,
and he's and I'm like, search Diane Lane. He's like,
wait a minute. This is Superman's mom. Superman's mom.
Speaker 3: She's old.
Speaker 1: Oh, well, what do you do?
Speaker 3: I know?
Speaker 1: And we we tried, I mean, coll Lee in her prime.
She was made. I told him, he's like she dated
John bon Jovi. Yeah, he goes, well, that is good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Other people considered for the part of Cherry Valance
Sarah Jessica Parker, Helen Slater, Heather Camp.
Speaker 1: Brook Shields. Can you see brook Shields? Sure in nineteen
eighty two? Sure? Yeah? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Okay, So a little bit more on Diane Lane for you. Okay,
So this is what I really found interesting. So again,
Francis port Coppola is putting these guys up to this
behavior during the shooting of the movie, and so he
really wants Matt Dillon under her skin.
Speaker 1: She'll probably fall in love with him later.
Speaker 2: So during the drive in scene, he's like, bug her, right,
get after her. And so he really did bug her
and it really irritated her, and so she was tense
around Matt Dillon and there was this feeling of tension
between the two of them, which is interesting because they
go on to star in Rubblefish together.
Speaker 1: So would we describe that as sexual tension? I would
definitely say sexual tension. Okay.
Speaker 2: By the way, when I was in Tulca yesterday, the
one place that I wanted to go for Rumblefish was
Patty's house when I got there. It's this private drive
and it was locked. It's a cul de sac, it's
not even really a neighborhood, and they had a gate
and I could not get in. I told you, I
tried to leave my body and like hover. I tried
to hover over Tulsa to look at it, but I
could not get there.
Speaker 1: If you don't get that reference, please go watch Rumblefish.
Please go watch it.
Speaker 2: Okay, really, please go watch Rumblefish.
Speaker 1: So here's what's interesting in that that particular scene where
they're in front of Patty's house, right and he's getting
cigarettes out of the back of her car and helping
Ish with groceries and actually stealing some of her cigarettes
at that moment, right right. They shot it a few
times and when they got it to print, there were sprockets,
like the sprockets of the film were showing up in
the cut that they had, and so Francis for Koppe
was like, oh, well that sucks. I mean, that's messages
this scene. But it was only in one take, right,
They only showed up in one take. But he's looking
at him. He's like, but that's the best that's the
best take. That's the best take. And so finally he
was like, I don't care. I don't care that the
sprockets are going to show up and it's going to
be a distraction in the audience will just think it's stuff. Well,
they'll think it's like something wrong with the projector. Right, yeah,
there you go. And so what they didn't realize is
that the same wrong thing with the projector happened in
every theater in the country that was showing the show.
But he was like, it was it was so well done,
they did it so perfectly on that take. I could
not sacrifice it just because it had this issue in it.
And if you watch the DVD, it's not there any
He was confused by that. Yeah, he was like, well,
let's see if it's there. Nope, not there, get to
clean it up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, Diane Lane and Matt Dillon have started
three movies together.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there's these two.
Speaker 2: Outsiders, Rumblefish, and a movie called The Big Town in
nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1: I feel like that was steamy one.
Speaker 2: I consider myself an eighties movie like connoisseur.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about this one. Yeah, I think
that was a steamy one. Okay, interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, Tom Cruise went directly to Diane Lane
during the filming of The Outsiders and said, Hey, I'm
doing a movie called Risky Business, and I think he'd
be great to play the part of the prostitute. And
Diane Lane's dad said, no, frigging.
Speaker 1: Way, she's sixteen. She's sixteen, right right, yeah, no, sorry,
I'm yes, Okay, keep on going.
Speaker 2: By the way, the girl who plays Patty's sister in Rubblefish,
Domino Domino. Yeah, that is Sophia Coppola, the director.
Speaker 1: The director, Sofia Coppola, the daughter of Francis Ford Coppola,
and he he admits like she's his favorite, right, yeah,
admits it and real quick on this. So the two
if you see associate producers in the credits, they're both
last names, both Coppola, that's one of them. There's Roman Coppola,
and then there's also Giancarlo Coppola. Giancarlo was his son. Unfortunately,
as much as I like Rumblefish, it was an absolute
financial failure. It was a bomb, yeah, and a financial
failure that came just shortly off the heels of a
musical that was also a financial failure, and so Zoo
Trope went bankrupt. And so while Zo Trump is in
this bankruptcy stage, they like lock everything up, right, they
lock all the doors up. Giancarlo who he called Geo,
that was his name. Yeah, he's twenty something at this point,
you know, early twenties. Yes, he breaks in. This movie
Rumblefish was shot on these Zeist lenses, which are just
incredibly good lenses, and you get so many close ups
in this and it's so crisp and so beautiful in
all this art film style that he's done. And Geo
knows how much his dad loves these lenses and that
they're locked up, so he breaks in and he steals them.
Now that's part one of the story. Part two of
the story is Geo, just three years later, is on
a boat with another young twenty something guy who is
acting in a film that Francis is directing. The guy's
name is Griffin O'Neil I believe. Okay, he's in the
Wraith as well. Okay, anyway, they're on a boat together, speedboat.
Griffin is piloting the boat. He sees two other boats.
He decides to go between the two boats. Don't go
between them, go between them. Yes, so sorry, that's hilarious,
except how this story ends. Oh okay, all right. So
he decides to go between the boats, not realizing that
they're actually tied together. Oh no, he realizes it and
ducks out of the way in time, but Geo does
not what and is killed twenty two years old. He dies.
Who ties boats together? I don't know. I don't know,
and and I mean, I think he I think this
guy got a misdemeanor charge out of the deal out
of it as well, and obviously got fired from the
Francis Ford Coppola. So it's this really very short moment
in the commentary after he has told this story about
Geo going in to steal these lenses that he that
and he's and he's just like, so I still have
the lenses. I don't have my son, but I have.
Then it's horrible and I was and that's all that
he said, and I was just like, oh my gosh,
what happened to him? And so that is the tragic
story of one of the producers who is also one
of the guys who's in the kind of orgy scene
that they have at the after they break into the
house in the in the movie.
Speaker 2: Okay, by the way, just to continue, I thought with
Sophia Coppola. Yeah, she also appears in The Outsiders. Yeah,
she's a little bratty girl. It comes up and it
is like bugging Matt Dillon for a nickel. Hey, Master,
you got a nickel, and he's like, go awake it.
I want to that's Francis for Coopla's daughter. And he
you can tell he shines with joy when he sees
young Sophia in his movies.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He he looks at movies. It's the opportunity, just
like home videos, to capture a moment in time. He
and who better to do that with with your than
your own family. Absolutely, And we mentioned in our Godfather
episode she's the baby who's getting christened. That's exactly right. Yeah,
all right.
Speaker 2: The last guy I want to talk about in depth
is the guy who plays Bob Sheldon. Kay, Yeah, that
was played by Leife Garrett life Life, not Leaf. I
saw him in a interview and he's like, for the record,
yeah it's not Leif long a Leafe Garrett.
Speaker 1: All right, Okay, I must be the Viking way to
pronounce it. I don't know, I guess.
Speaker 2: So he was the most famous guy out of the
cast when they shot the movie.
Speaker 1: That's hysterical, I mean, right, yeah, life, that's for the talent.
Speaker 2: He was a seventies like heart throb, like a little popstar.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: But the thing was is that he was brought up
as an actor, and managers and stuff said, hey, man,
you're so popular right now.
Speaker 1: You're a singer.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I don't really sing, and they're like,
that's all right, we got all your songs written for you,
and you're gonna go around the world and we're going
to sell records. So they kind of made him like
forced him into singing. He didn't care about any of
this stuff.
Speaker 1: Huh and uh.
Speaker 2: Anyway, two thousand and one he declares bankruptcy and he's
had kind of a hard life since this time.
Speaker 1: But I thought he.
Speaker 2: Did a great job as the ring wearing sous that
beat up Johnny Cad and Johnny Cad.
Speaker 1: Ends up killing his famous song, By the Way, I
was made for dancing. Okay, should we listen to that
right here? Okay? Then, and you Haberg here you that's
a little seventies gold for you right there. So that
is the cast of the Outside. Okay, ladies and gentlemen.
That is the end of episode one of the Outsiders
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