Speaker 1: Okay, we're recording right now. Hi, this is William Ramsey.
Speaker 1: Open to William Ramsey. Investigats on today's show have a
Speaker 1: returning guest, a very special guest. We've done a couple
Speaker 1: of shows. We talked about MK Ultra in our last
Speaker 1: show and I had him back on. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about this phenomenon of mass shootings involving men who
Speaker 1: feel like there be you know, either hearing voices or
Speaker 1: something else. Is very much strange about a lot of
Speaker 1: these shootings that have really taken place over the last
Speaker 1: thirty forty years. And doctor Eric Carlstrom, he has a website,
Speaker 1: it's nine to eleven nWo is it one of them?
Speaker 1: He has many other websites reach including the show notes.
Speaker 1: But he sent me a couple videos which are really fascinating.
Speaker 1: One was titled the Brief History of Voice to Go
Speaker 1: of God Weapons, Psychic Subversion and propaganda trickery, Weaponized RF
Speaker 1: and then the other one is the true Evil behind
Speaker 1: America's mass school shootings. And that was done by a
Speaker 1: guy named Reese. But we're going to talk again about
Speaker 1: a bunch of names that people may be familiar with
Speaker 1: in a bunch of events so I'm delighted to have
Speaker 1: back doctor Eric Carlstrom. Thanks for coming back on the show.
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, William. In these incredible times that we're
Speaker 2: living in where the elite has access to technologies that
Speaker 2: you know, ninety percent of the public are completely unaware of,
Speaker 2: which gives them an enormous tactical advantage in controlling the masses,
Speaker 2: which seems to be their goal. Yeah, this is a
Speaker 2: very very important and dark topic, as you know, well,
Speaker 2: goes back many, many many decades, and this is rt
Speaker 2: coming right out of our you know, military and intelligence
Speaker 2: agencies as teamed up with our very top scientists since
Speaker 2: World War Two in ways to control the population through
Speaker 2: remote electronic means, for instance, radio frequencies, which they had
Speaker 2: developed back in the forties and fifties and sixties, and
Speaker 2: now of course they're very, very very advanced in this,
Speaker 2: and I think this is one of the areas that
Speaker 2: is most important form for Americans and citizens of the
Speaker 2: world to understand that the elite, the deep state has
Speaker 2: access to these technologies that can make people go crazy
Speaker 2: and do crazy things like these schoolyard shootings.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean, so they've been working on this
Speaker 1: technology mk Ultra started in nineteen fifty three, but they
Speaker 1: had earlier stuff. I know that Helms, who became the
Speaker 1: head of the CIA, was involved in it during World
Speaker 1: War Two under the OSS. So they're always involved in
Speaker 1: social control. And that was really the goal of mk
Speaker 1: ult in all of its subprojects was social control. And
Speaker 1: you have a done a lot of studies on that
Speaker 1: on your website. But they were always trying to they
Speaker 1: were trying to get program dissassins. They really were trying
Speaker 1: to create this programed assassin, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, you know. And actually this does go back
Speaker 2: to World War Two and again here we have this
Speaker 2: teeming up of some of our best, most brilliant scientists
Speaker 2: with intelligence agencies and the military. Even going back to
Speaker 2: World War Two. The professor George Esterbrooks, high level mason
Speaker 2: at Kolgate University, actually approached the Department of Defense during
Speaker 2: World War two and said, hey, I can make through hypnosis,
Speaker 2: I can make multiple personality in a Manchurian candidate, someone
Speaker 2: who can be triggered through hypnosis go from their front
Speaker 2: personality to a sub altered personality which they have created.
Speaker 2: So these sub altered personalities created by a psychiatrists and
Speaker 2: then this, this person can be programmed as you say,
Speaker 2: to kill. This goes back to nineteen forty two and
Speaker 2: Esterbrooks has a book on this, you know, on hypnotism
Speaker 2: and how this can be used. But then when mk
Speaker 2: Ultra started, you know, building not only on the work
Speaker 2: of the British with the Tavistock Institute, which had been
Speaker 2: going on these kinds of psychological warfare program since the
Speaker 2: World War One, and not only on the backs of
Speaker 2: all the Joseph Mengelo horrendous human experimentation of World War
Speaker 2: Two by the Nazis. Then the OSS and the CIA
Speaker 2: pick up the ball and move it forward with mk
Speaker 2: Ultra project, Bluebird Project, Arted Joke Project, often stargate and
Speaker 2: remote viewing and all kinds of things. And then more
Speaker 2: and more this focused on the use of electromagnetic frequencies.
Speaker 2: So the human brain is much like a radio. It
Speaker 2: sends and receives information on these electromagnetic frequencies and the
Speaker 2: information can be decoded by you know, uh, electro encephalographic images,
Speaker 2: which a which a brilliant side is from m AT
Speaker 2: named doctor Norbert Wiener figured out he figured out happened
Speaker 2: to code these EEG squiggly lines, you know. Uh, he
Speaker 2: was a mathematician genius and he you know, just much
Speaker 2: like your electrocardiogram. You see the readoubt, you know, if
Speaker 2: you're getting your heart checked, you see the lines going
Speaker 2: up and down. Well, this is what our brain gives off.
Speaker 2: These frequencies as well, and they know which frequencies trigger
Speaker 2: which emotions, which even which can they can target particular organs.
Speaker 2: They can do an enormous amount of actually remote control
Speaker 2: of the human being remotely through these electromagnetic frequencies which
Speaker 2: no one can see. And yeah, the people can be
Speaker 2: programmed to heal well, not only with hypnosis as it
Speaker 2: was in Esterbrooks Day of nineteen forty two, but starting
Speaker 2: in the fifties with when Norbert Weiner invented this autocorrelator
Speaker 2: machine and then MK Ultra subproject one one nine cell
Speaker 2: by Sales, Texas Christian University. Uh, you know was the
Speaker 2: goal was how to activate the human test subject remotely electronically.
Speaker 2: And that's nineteen fifty nine. And who have they been
Speaker 2: using for their test subjects? Well, they've been using people
Speaker 2: that you know, like prisoners, people who are you know,
Speaker 2: at mental institutions and more and more recently, more and
Speaker 2: more individuals who cross a line for someone high in
Speaker 2: power and maybe they're a whistleblower or a quote unquote dissident,
Speaker 2: or maybe they you know, could be just about anybody.
Speaker 2: Now it becomes a targeted individual by the government. And
Speaker 2: many of these are used for these non consensual uh
Speaker 2: testing subjects. And these are terminal experiments, which is to say,
Speaker 2: if the subject dies, that's fine. In fact, they often
Speaker 2: want to get rid of these people. So these are
Speaker 2: basically kill contracts that the Department of Homeland Security farms
Speaker 2: out to their friends in the privatized intelligence and privatized
Speaker 2: security sector. So FBI DHS farm out these contracts through
Speaker 2: the fusion centers. We have seventy eight fusion centers now
Speaker 2: after nine to eleven. And then they can go ahead
Speaker 2: and use an individual as a human test subject to see,
Speaker 2: you know, and test these non lethal electronic weapons quote
Speaker 2: unquote non lethal directed energy weapons neuro weapons. The brain
Speaker 2: is the battlefield, according to doctor James Giordano at Georgetown University,
Speaker 2: which has a huge history with mk ultra MIT Georgetown McGill.
Speaker 2: You know you.
Speaker 1: Cornell stamping, so yes, exactly standards, So many of our
Speaker 1: very very.
Speaker 2: Top universities have been and are involved in these programs.
Speaker 2: This is this is a big bun big bucks, you know,
Speaker 2: to use neuro weapons and to test neuro weapons because
Speaker 2: the military doctrine has changed. We're now we're in the
Speaker 2: revolution of military affairs, and now we're going to have
Speaker 2: the battle spaces everywhere. It's in your neighborhood, it's between
Speaker 2: your ears. And if they want to control the information
Speaker 2: between your ears, they can now access it. They can
Speaker 2: tap it, and they call it information warfare. They can
Speaker 2: add information again with these frequency weapons, and they can subtract,
Speaker 2: believe it or not, information from the human brain. And
Speaker 2: so these shooters and we're getting now to the point
Speaker 2: of the shooters. Uh, these these people are remotely now
Speaker 2: programmed to kill and other things that you know. This
Speaker 2: goes back to The Manurian Candidate, which the great movie
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty two by Well starring Frank Sinatra and
Speaker 2: showing how the mind can be controlled so that an
Speaker 2: individual flips from his normal personality to this programmed personality.
Speaker 2: Now they're the killer, you know, and you see this
Speaker 2: in this nineteen sixty two movie with Frank Sinatra, and
Speaker 2: you know, and then of course we'll move up to
Speaker 2: the eighties and we have the whole serial killer phenomena.
Speaker 2: And David McGowan wrote a great book about this called
Speaker 2: Program to Kill the Politics of serial Murder. Well, these
Speaker 2: people were also programmed by our government to kill. And
Speaker 2: so these shooters are programmed by our government to kill.
Speaker 2: Now why would they do that, Well, to control the
Speaker 2: population through terror, through fear, and of course they want
Speaker 2: us to give up our Second Amendment rights and give
Speaker 2: up our guns. So this is a way to control
Speaker 2: the population through fear, to have these these orchestrated events
Speaker 2: where these individuals are in themselves the victims. The killers
Speaker 2: are themselves the victims of these technologies. And then of
Speaker 2: course the society, the society will blame them for you know,
Speaker 2: for all the damage and it. You know, it's kind
Speaker 2: of the one lone nut scenario. You know. Uh, well
Speaker 2: he went off the edge, you know, Myron May and
Speaker 2: are in Alexis and and as you say, drown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Uvalde guy, his name is Salvador Ramos. So
Speaker 1: all these guys have strange backgrounds. Even to going back
Speaker 1: to Manchurian candidate that was John Frankenheimer, who drove Robert F.
Speaker 1: Kennedy to the Ambassador Hotel, the guy who literally the
Speaker 1: guy who directed the Manchurian candidate takes a r f
Speaker 1: K to the Ambassador hotel or Sir Hans hand. It
Speaker 1: was totally has something happened to him? Is framed as
Speaker 1: the killer of RFK. I mean, you cannot write that stuff.
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable. So they were looking back at this programed
Speaker 1: killer back in the early sixties, were in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: so okay, far past it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me just add a wrinkle to that. Okay.
Speaker 2: The great first book on this, I think, came out
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy eight by John Marx, who was able
Speaker 2: to do a Fourier request Freedom of Information Act and
Speaker 2: get ten boxes of documents from the CIA which talked
Speaker 2: about the MK Ultra program that they had run from
Speaker 2: nineteen forty three to at that time about nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 2: And Helms, Richard Helms, the CIA director, had thought that
Speaker 2: he had destroyed all the records, but apparently they found
Speaker 2: this box and you know, in a copy copied in
Speaker 2: a financial records part of the CIA, and they gave
Speaker 2: it to him and in his book which really talks
Speaker 2: about the whole program, because what they did he was
Speaker 2: State Department, and he hired a bunch of people somehow
Speaker 2: to go through these ten thousand pages of documents, ten
Speaker 2: boxes or whatever and figure out which of the one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty nine projects was carried out by which
Speaker 2: researcher at something like forty different major institutions, really you know,
Speaker 2: top notch institutions, and who the principal investigators were, and
Speaker 2: what happened in each of these subprojects. And in his book,
Speaker 2: in a footnote, he says Milton Klein, one of these
Speaker 2: top hypnotist psychiatrists, said that it will take me three months,
Speaker 2: six three months to make a patsy the Harvey Oswalden
Speaker 2: sir hins around. It takes me six months to make
Speaker 2: a shooter or a killer. That's with hypnosis. That's the
Speaker 2: old way. But then by about nineteen fifty nine or so,
Speaker 2: they had radio radio rh I see radio hypnotic intra
Speaker 2: cerebral control. They were able to to hypnotize somebody, first
Speaker 2: of all, fragment their personalities into multiples, some of which
Speaker 2: would then be programmed to kill, and you can trigger
Speaker 2: them into a subalter a killer sub altered personality which
Speaker 2: was formed by trauma based mind control some would say
Speaker 2: satanic richual abuse, and then they become your bio robot slave.
Speaker 2: And this technology was discovered and discussed in the early
Speaker 2: sixties and was used probably in the Kennedy assassination in
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three. That's per a book by Solomon Well
Speaker 2: pseudo name Lawrence Solomon, Were We Controlled. It came out
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty seven. So how long these people have
Speaker 2: have been on top of these technologies which really go
Speaker 2: back to the forties and fifties and sixties and have
Speaker 2: only become more sophisticated. Now, that's all. The system involves satellites, supercomputers,
Speaker 2: and direct electronic communication with the victim brains. It's you know,
Speaker 2: we don't see it.
Speaker 1: It's so right, it's super sinister. They're looking for people
Speaker 1: who can be easily hypnotized, like people are on a spectrum.
Speaker 1: Is my understanding. Some people cannot be hypnotized, and some
Speaker 1: people like certainly innserve and you can snap him into
Speaker 1: a different personality in a matter of seconds, like he
Speaker 1: just flips. That's that's my understanding. You have you ever
Speaker 1: heard of anything like that? Like people are on it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, there is a continuum in about one out
Speaker 2: of five or twenty percent of the population is highly dissociative,
Speaker 2: which is easy easy to put them in a dissociative
Speaker 2: state where they just kind of, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: zone out, like maybe you're meditating or something. And it's
Speaker 2: those people that are that are dissociative, either genetically or
Speaker 2: through again, try ritual abuse when they're children by the
Speaker 2: age of six, that you create these dissociative multiple personalities.
Speaker 2: And these people are created be this way. And this
Speaker 2: goes back to the Illuminati, you know, and the secret societies,
Speaker 2: and they've been in control of politics for many centuries
Speaker 2: even and they do this to their kids, you know,
Speaker 2: to make them kind of you know, super men and
Speaker 2: women who will serve their costs. And it is a
Speaker 2: most disgusting subject. I spent a whole year researching this
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, and I wrote a long article called
Speaker 2: mind control History and Applications, and I wrote reviewed about
Speaker 2: fifty books for that. I just read them and then,
Speaker 2: you know, as an academic, former university professor, I just
Speaker 2: did basically a literature survey and then wrote the summary
Speaker 2: in that article and got to know the subject. But
Speaker 2: the point of my reason I'm talking about this, it
Speaker 2: was very very unsavory, toxic, evil, diabolical subject, and so
Speaker 2: I had to just kind of took me the whole year.
Speaker 2: I could have done it faster if if it wasn't
Speaker 2: so evil. I had to put it down and go
Speaker 2: for hikes.
Speaker 1: You know, I bet it's really sinister.
Speaker 2: It's unbelievably demonic, you know, this dermonic stuff.
Speaker 1: And there were many their people were assassins were created,
Speaker 1: but many people had their brains and lives destroyed through
Speaker 1: this experimentation. So it's not like they found a guy
Speaker 1: and did it. But there, I mean, there's examples you
Speaker 1: and Cameron in Canada, Like they had to payouts and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. It was a very long story. But
Speaker 1: they would deep patterned people. They were trying to erase
Speaker 1: them and then reintegrate their minds, and some people turned
Speaker 1: into vegetables and some people's personalities changed, really horrible stuff
Speaker 1: without and they did it really in a very sinister
Speaker 1: way because they had them signed consent forms, but they
Speaker 1: didn't have informed because they didn't know that what they
Speaker 1: were getting. And and you and Cameron, they bought out Kuri,
Speaker 1: which is like one of the most neurotoxic things in
Speaker 1: the world. They were giving it to people without their
Speaker 1: like all kinds of strange stuff. So there was a
Speaker 1: lot of wreckage. And so some of those people, I'm
Speaker 1: old enough to remember homeless people and strange utterances and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Some of those people were victims of
Speaker 1: some kind of my control experiments. It's out. As strange
Speaker 1: as that sounds, I do believe that to be the case.
Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. In fact, there's according to Byron Brian Kafran,
Speaker 2: who is one of these targeted individuals who prior to
Speaker 2: being targeted, actually worked in security services industry and was,
Speaker 2: you know, himself doing the targeting of targeted individuals as
Speaker 2: part of his job. And then he kind of his
Speaker 2: moral sense objected to that, and he kind of came
Speaker 2: out and said, Okay, here's what they're doing. What they're
Speaker 2: doing is and this was private industry working with Amazon
Speaker 2: Sis Securities Industries services. We're getting these very very brilliant
Speaker 2: people harassing them out of their homes and out of
Speaker 2: their secure jobs, and then and then kind of hurting
Speaker 2: them up to the Seattle area where they would be homeless,
Speaker 2: and they'd be put in these shelters that they would
Speaker 2: that they would manage, and then they would target their
Speaker 2: brains and this is fairly recently in order to control them.
Speaker 2: So they become then the lab rats for a process
Speaker 2: which no doubt is meant to be used against all
Speaker 2: of us. So the very dark evil nature of this
Speaker 2: whole thing is that the powers that be want total control,
Speaker 2: total population control. They do not want freedom of thought,
Speaker 2: they do not want free will. And again, if we
Speaker 2: go back through the history of the psychologists, you know,
Speaker 2: go back to Wilhelm want the father of modern psychology
Speaker 2: in Germany, back oh gosh, you know, a couple hundred
Speaker 2: years ago, and then follow him over to his student
Speaker 2: Pavlov in Russia and Pavlov's dog and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Stimulus response again, a mechanistic look at the human being.
Speaker 2: It's like we're now, we're forty seven cents worth of chemicals.
Speaker 2: You know, there is nothing divine, there's nothing sacred about
Speaker 2: the human It's just forty seven cents worth of chemicals
Speaker 2: that we want to manipulate. And then you follow it
Speaker 2: through the Tavistock Institute at World War two and onward
Speaker 2: with William Sargent who was doing all every kind of
Speaker 2: conceivable way with lobotomies and electroshock and ect therapy to
Speaker 2: break the person's mind down, and then go to the
Speaker 2: Nazis with Joseph Mengela and all the insane brutal testing
Speaker 2: that he was doing, killing people in the process with
Speaker 2: no regard for human life, the sanctity of human life.
Speaker 2: And then those Nazis came over in the paper Clip operation,
Speaker 2: as you know, into the United States through the CIA,
Speaker 2: through the rat Lines, through Operation paper Clip, and they
Speaker 2: then took very prominent positions in the CIA's mk Ultra
Speaker 2: mind control experiments and related projects, mkulture being part of
Speaker 2: a much larger Manhattan project of mind control which is
Speaker 2: top secret to this day because as I think the
Speaker 2: targeted individual program which I'm talking about in my gang
Speaker 2: Stockingmindcontrol Cults dot com website, because I am a targeted individual.
Speaker 2: Now it's a matter of survival for us TIS to
Speaker 2: know what's going on. These are terminal experiments and they're
Speaker 2: they're classified, they're black operations, they're unacknowledged special access programs.
Speaker 2: According to Targetedjustice dot Com, which is one of the
Speaker 2: better websites on this subject. You know, the the head
Speaker 2: of Department of Justice, Department of Defense, Department of Homeland Security,
Speaker 2: all of these you know, major cabinet positions would be
Speaker 2: in on this, and according to Department Targeted Justice, Dick
Speaker 2: Cheney is heading it up. It's hard for me to
Speaker 2: imagine that Cheney is still that active at his age.
Speaker 2: But this is this is extremely dark and it has
Speaker 2: everything to do with what Noah You've all Noah Harari
Speaker 2: is talking about, uh nowadays with you know, getting up
Speaker 2: your free will and we will come depletely monitor you
Speaker 2: inside out, monitor your brain, monitor your thoughts, hook you
Speaker 2: up to our Pentagon cloud, and you'll now be our slave. Well,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the opposite of everything that is
Speaker 2: sacred to me, you know, life, liberty, and the pursuit
Speaker 2: of happiness, you know, and and which our constitution is
Speaker 2: all about. But these guys have done have done an
Speaker 2: enormous theft of every kind of resource, including now human resources.
Speaker 2: They've been doing that they can take ideas right out
Speaker 2: of our brains without us knowing. With these technologies and
Speaker 2: again going back to our shooter phenomenon, Yeah, James Holmes
Speaker 2: and and the Columbine shooters. Uh, these young men were
Speaker 2: were basically traumatized through electromagnetic frequencies and other things like
Speaker 2: even like rape to become in fact Manchurian candidates. And
Speaker 2: this is what's called the monarch program where which is
Speaker 2: the militarized version of the mk ulture in others, how
Speaker 2: do we make a bio robot slave, so someone who
Speaker 2: will do our bidding and of course this can be
Speaker 2: mentoring candidate. Assassins can be sex slaves, can be couriers
Speaker 2: who have excellent memories and mind files who report back
Speaker 2: to their handlers. So we're really deep into the world
Speaker 2: of spied them here. Spies won World War Two, spies
Speaker 2: have been managing the world ever since for the power elite.
Speaker 2: And you know, once I you know, get further and
Speaker 2: furn they're into the subject. Yeah, we got you know,
Speaker 2: we have assets, we have handlers. And it looks a
Speaker 2: lot like the movie Enemy of the State, where all
Speaker 2: of the resources of the state, you know, can go
Speaker 2: after one person now and or look like the James
Speaker 2: Bourne movies, you know, and you see all these guys
Speaker 2: in a military chain of command and their computer screens
Speaker 2: and they're you know, they've got millions if not billions
Speaker 2: of dollars worth of equipment, and they're going after one person.
Speaker 2: And this objective was stated by the Aspen Institute, you know,
Speaker 2: he said, we're going to change our focus now and
Speaker 2: we're going to go after individuals. Well that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2: They're going after individuals. And one way they do that,
Speaker 2: and one of the products of that is to create
Speaker 2: these shooters like Aaron Alexis and Myron May and now
Speaker 2: this guy in Uvaldi. And then of course the press
Speaker 2: is complicit because they spin the story the way that
Speaker 2: the intelligence agents is the deep State want to tell
Speaker 2: it so that we then now should give up our guns,
Speaker 2: when in fact, the whole thing is created and orchestrated
Speaker 2: by the deep State, the CIA, the military, and their
Speaker 2: private consulting firms like Lockheed Martin, et cetera. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: very very dark.
Speaker 1: Now, that was it. And Lockheed Martin was attached to Columbine, right,
Speaker 1: so that whole military industrial complex corporation like set up Columbine.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: So those two kids that were in there was Harris
Speaker 1: and Cleebold was in that environment.
Speaker 2: Yet, Yeah, and of course the media feeds, oh they
Speaker 2: were goth you know, they were very dark kids, disturbed
Speaker 2: kids and whatnot. No, those kids were raped and destroyed,
Speaker 2: you know, either by Lockheed Martin or by our government
Speaker 2: to fulfill this function. And you notice, of course the
Speaker 2: way the police handled it. They didn't go in there
Speaker 2: and stop it. They stood back, just like they did
Speaker 2: at Uvalde, so that it could run its course. So
Speaker 2: you have this, you know, unbelievably corrupt system. The people
Speaker 2: that we pay to protect us, the police, the FBI,
Speaker 2: the CIA, they're killing us basically, and they're you know,
Speaker 2: I'm a target individual. This is a silent kill program.
Speaker 2: They are doing kill contracts on American citizens who are innocent,
Speaker 2: haven't committed any crimes, but have bothered somebody in the
Speaker 2: high levels, or they want to use us as test
Speaker 2: subjects for their brain projects, etc. We have a criminal
Speaker 2: system and it's not going to fix itself. And the
Speaker 2: American people are going to have to step up to
Speaker 2: the plate and say, hey, we're not going to pay
Speaker 2: you to kill us. We're not going to pay you
Speaker 2: to genocide us because you you know, you spent our
Speaker 2: social security, which is the reality. You know, I you know,
Speaker 2: I have to tell you the story. Well, my uncle
Speaker 2: was high on the CIA, and you know PhD Political Science,
Speaker 2: University of Chicago, mentor from Hans Morgenthau, this you know
Speaker 2: German Illuminati, PhD economist, you know Wheeler Dealer, and you know,
Speaker 2: we had a pretty good relationship. He's a nice guy.
Speaker 2: But you know, as I got older, I realized, you know,
Speaker 2: more and more of what he was about. And I
Speaker 2: remember him saying at one point in the late nineties,
Speaker 2: when he was in his eighties or plus, he said,
Speaker 2: what are we going to do with all these old people?
Speaker 2: And of course, if I had been you know, a
Speaker 2: little sharper and a little more you know, confrontational, I
Speaker 2: might have said, well, I guess we'll just have to
Speaker 2: kill you, you know. But but that was the implication
Speaker 2: whether that we're you know, we don't we can't keep
Speaker 2: this social security program going, which has you know, we've
Speaker 2: spent the social Security funds, so you know, in order
Speaker 2: to balance the budget, we're going to have to kill
Speaker 2: the creditors, you know, And that is exactly what they're
Speaker 2: doing now with the COVID thing and with the targeting thing,
Speaker 2: which is an ever expanding business which enlists large parts
Speaker 2: of the civilian sector to really form the fact of
Speaker 2: death squads to harass the targeted individuals to death. And
Speaker 2: I've heard several accounts of how when someone actually commits
Speaker 2: suicide they have parties. They so it has drawn upon
Speaker 2: a certain segment of society, which is you know, really
Speaker 2: sadistic and sick, and they get financial rewards. I'm sure,
Speaker 2: I mean, this is probably the reason they have the parties.
Speaker 2: They get a big bonus when somebody commits suicide, you know,
Speaker 2: so you know, whereas.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to believe, but if you look at
Speaker 1: all of these a lot of these killers, they were
Speaker 1: under the care of a psychia interist or psychology juvenile
Speaker 1: diversion program. For Harrison Cleebold, you look back, there's Holmes
Speaker 1: was had tons of uh psychiatrists. So these guys are
Speaker 1: in the hands of people who may know more than
Speaker 1: just uh, you know, talking about your your problems. These
Speaker 1: guys may know other techniques. They may know to have
Speaker 1: the blue book, the handbook, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the dark side, the weaponization of psychology
Speaker 2: is at the core of this. And again I was
Speaker 2: starting you know with the Wilhelm wand over to over
Speaker 2: to uh uh Pavlov and then and then up through
Speaker 2: William Sergeant. And then we come up to you know, uh,
Speaker 2: Joseph Mengela. All these guys must have been incredible status
Speaker 2: and psychopaths.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then we come over to America and then we
Speaker 2: have William uh Norbert Wiener and and then we go
Speaker 2: through the Macy Conference, which is precursor to the mk Ultra.
Speaker 2: And if we look at the people that were involved
Speaker 2: in that and what they did, uh to victimize innocent
Speaker 2: people such as you say, William or Ewan Cameron, who basically,
Speaker 2: you know, he put his patients who came in with
Speaker 2: real minor complaints and he you know, and he was
Speaker 2: head of the American Psychiatric Associations, Canadian psychiatric associations and
Speaker 2: the world at psychiatric association you couldn't be more you
Speaker 2: couldn't get more respectable. And yet he would take his
Speaker 2: patients and with electro shock therapy and and LSD and
Speaker 2: drugs and and things like that, he would put him
Speaker 2: in a coma for like four weeks, five weeks, six weeks,
Speaker 2: and he would try to erase their personality completely back
Speaker 2: to a tabula rosa blank personality, so that he could
Speaker 2: reprogram the individual. And psychic driving was the erasing part
Speaker 2: and then there the repatterning was done. This was in
Speaker 2: his assistant was gun named Rosenberg or something like that,
Speaker 2: who was actually an elect engineer, not a psychiatrist, who
Speaker 2: would rig up taped messages through kind of a football
Speaker 2: helmet kind of thing. This is back in the sixties,
Speaker 2: and messages would go NonStop, you're terrible, your mother hates you,
Speaker 2: you should kill yourself, you know, and just reprogram the
Speaker 2: person so that they can be completely controlled. And this
Speaker 2: is what we see with so many of the targeted
Speaker 2: individuals now hearing these voices with voice to skull, a
Speaker 2: voice of God, weapons, microwave hearing, synthetic telepathy, which again
Speaker 2: goes back to forties and fifties technology widely used to
Speaker 2: break down the personality. So while the CIA said, oh
Speaker 2: we you know, you and Cameron didn't come up with
Speaker 2: any anything, were very useful. Well, in fact, they're using
Speaker 2: it in their TI program all over the world now
Speaker 2: in order to destroy people. Now these are the people
Speaker 2: that we pay William. These people should be, you know,
Speaker 2: at the very least in jail. I think they should
Speaker 2: be all hung and I think, you know, I've got
Speaker 2: the names on my website I mean, these many of
Speaker 2: them who are directing the programs now, who brought us
Speaker 2: to this stage over the decades. I've got two thousand
Speaker 2: plug about two thousand posts on my game stocking mind
Speaker 2: controlcoats dot com website. I mean, I'm to use the
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a little bit angry about this. You know,
Speaker 2: this is a this is a takeover of the world
Speaker 2: by a small elite group which has garnered control of
Speaker 2: the military, industrial and intelligence complexes, the press and you know,
Speaker 2: the and I'm afraid academics, and it's it's not a
Speaker 2: huge group in numbers, and yet they they're you know,
Speaker 2: this scientific elite is running for the goalposts. Uh. They
Speaker 2: think they've got in the bag. If you listen to
Speaker 2: you know, Klaus Schwab and Val Harari. Uh, these guys
Speaker 2: think they've they've beat us. And my inclination is, no,
Speaker 2: they haven't beat us. We outnumbered them vastly and in numbers,
Speaker 2: and our God is on our side now there. I mean,
Speaker 2: they're really working for Satan. I mean, this is about
Speaker 2: as satanic as you can even imagine. And that's one
Speaker 2: of the their their best protections because most people can't
Speaker 2: even fathom how evil. These people and these technologies.
Speaker 1: Are right, and they're in total violation of the Hippocratic
Speaker 1: Oath that that you know, kind of the gold star
Speaker 1: standard going back to ancient Greece, that doctors are supposed
Speaker 1: to have for their patients. Don't poison them, do no harm,
Speaker 1: those types of things. They just there's actually a book
Speaker 1: online control that starts out I can't remember the title,
Speaker 1: but it starts out with the lines of the Hippocratic
Speaker 1: Oath because they violated that and the Nuremberg laws, right,
Speaker 1: So it's a violation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got I've got several persons. All the laws
Speaker 2: are being violated by you know, there are about forty
Speaker 2: federal laws in addition to four or five of our
Speaker 2: you know, Bill of Rights rights and and of course
Speaker 2: about four of the Team Commandments are violated by this
Speaker 2: targeting process and the Nuremberg Code and the Geneva Convention,
Speaker 2: and you know, it goes on and on and on,
Speaker 2: and we have actually anti stocking laws and it's it's
Speaker 2: a crime, it's treason to deprive an American citizen of
Speaker 2: their civil liberties under eighteen Code two four one, and
Speaker 2: it's been used successfully. What's happening is domestic terrorism, although
Speaker 2: they don't call it that. You know, they deny it.
Speaker 2: It's all you know, deny it. But it is domestic terrorism.
Speaker 2: It is torture. It is soft killed, silent kill, slow killed,
Speaker 2: torture by these technologies, with the people on the ground
Speaker 2: being the psychopath gangstalkers, the perpetrators who are paid, often
Speaker 2: very well to go ahead and every day go out
Speaker 2: and harass and destroy the lives of their neighbors. So
Speaker 2: we have, in effect, we have death squads all over America,
Speaker 2: very cleverly done, run by the FBI and the DHS,
Speaker 2: Department of Homeland Security, and more recently I'm finding out
Speaker 2: your local police departments are central to all this. So
Speaker 2: the police, your local police departments have contacts with their informers,
Speaker 2: and then they have the neighborhood Watch and the COG
Speaker 2: which went in under No that's course the continuity of government.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about cops. What is it? Citizens on patrol
Speaker 2: is one acronym name for that cops, and the other
Speaker 2: is community oriented policing, which came through under the Clinton administration.
Speaker 2: And I believe Joseph Biden is the Senator who who
Speaker 2: introduced that bill. So Biden is exactly you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: all of the top guys know about this and yet
Speaker 2: completely denied. And so really we're talking about a criminal,
Speaker 2: criminal racket. We're talking about a criminal conspiracy now in
Speaker 2: control of the United States of America, of course, the
Speaker 2: greatest nation in the world in terms of technology and wealth.
Speaker 1: And totally it's never acknowledged. You almost even in the
Speaker 1: in the alternative media, it's not acknowledged. They don't talk
Speaker 1: about this stuff. And it's all it's all in books
Speaker 1: that you can go back and see all the people
Speaker 1: who sued. You can see the lawsuits against you and
Speaker 1: camera and who's getting money from the CIA and the
Speaker 1: government of Canada. That was kind of a big scandal,
Speaker 1: is that he was actually being financed by his own government.
Speaker 1: But nobody really wants to talk about it. But there's
Speaker 1: there's so many I guess it would be called social
Speaker 1: social control or mind control is involved in so many
Speaker 1: events in American history post World War Two. It's like,
Speaker 1: how can you not acknowledge this? And they used to have.
Speaker 1: My understanding is that there was a line in the
Speaker 1: Nixon administration. I got to verify this, but it was
Speaker 1: a mind control hotline to see if the president need
Speaker 1: if there was a mind control subject they could use
Speaker 1: for political ends. It's unbelievable. That was, you know, seventies,
Speaker 1: So you're talking fifty years ago, right. Have you ever
Speaker 1: heard that the mind control hotline?
Speaker 2: No, I haven't heard that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll get that. I'll get that. See if I
Speaker 1: can find that reference.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's live, they live, but it is and it's
Speaker 1: all special access programs program So that means it's super
Speaker 1: top secret. The information somewhere where you have to get
Speaker 1: go through a variety of different doorways and guards, and
Speaker 1: then there's no computers in there, there's no allowed to
Speaker 1: take a phone, and everything that you see stays there, right,
Speaker 1: So that's how the special access kind of things.
Speaker 2: Work right well. And yeah, just to fill you and
Speaker 2: my audience in I mean, I spent thirty years as
Speaker 2: a physical geography professor at three universities. So my training
Speaker 2: is not in mind control or psychology. But when I
Speaker 2: retired from a thirty year career in which I did
Speaker 2: what normal professors do in my field, I started looking
Speaker 2: at some of the issues. You know, I already had
Speaker 2: a website nine one one nWo dot com which you know,
Speaker 2: pretty much proved what happened on nine to eleven in
Speaker 2: you know, distinction to what the official story is. I
Speaker 2: had another one called natural climate Change dot org because
Speaker 2: that's my field, and I knew for sure that the
Speaker 2: global warming thing was a scam and that it had
Speaker 2: enormous political implications which are still coming down on it.
Speaker 2: And then I had started to research what's happening in
Speaker 2: the San Luis Valley area where I live in Colorado now,
Speaker 2: and it's called San Luis valleywaterwatch dot com. And I've
Speaker 2: seen the kind of the criminal caupal, the racketing, racketeering
Speaker 2: group associated with the UN try to corner the profits
Speaker 2: on the multi trillion dollar aquafer that we're sitting on
Speaker 2: here in the San Luis Valley, and the history of
Speaker 2: that is all on that website. And so, you know,
Speaker 2: I can see that there would be many reasons why
Speaker 2: some individuals might want to have placed me on the
Speaker 2: terrorism watch list. But of course they are the terrorists.
Speaker 2: They did nine to eleven, They orchestrated all these school shootings,
Speaker 2: They did, you know, Oklahoma City, they did Ruby Ridge,
Speaker 2: they did, you know, down the list of horrific terror events,
Speaker 2: these are all deep state government operations to control the
Speaker 2: people through terror, and you know, Waco, you name it.
Speaker 2: The list goes on and on. And a friend of
Speaker 2: mine here in Crestone where I live, looked up the
Speaker 2: school shooting phenomenon found two hundred and ninety one such
Speaker 2: cases over I don't know, the past twenty years, something
Speaker 2: like that. And so, yeah, it is important to realize
Speaker 2: that the technology is there for the government to make
Speaker 2: these assassins, these mentorian candidate assassins, bio robots slaves electronically
Speaker 2: and remotely, and that this is the military's monarch program
Speaker 2: which was used on people like Bryce Taylor, who wrote
Speaker 2: a book about it. Thanks for the memories. Her main
Speaker 2: handlers were Henry Kissinger and Bobo, very smart lady, and
Speaker 2: she traces a lot of it to the University of
Speaker 2: Southern California, certain departments neurology and whatnot. And it was
Speaker 2: always couched in terms of science. You know, we're gonna
Speaker 2: we're gonna get the science on this. Well, you know,
Speaker 2: they controlled her like a bio robot slave. They had
Speaker 2: to do all kinds of operations. She was servicing all
Speaker 2: kinds of politicians sexually. She was getting their secrets because
Speaker 2: she had mind file capability and passing them on back
Speaker 2: to Henry Kissinger and others. So you know, it's highly
Speaker 2: highly top secret, and she could be accessed for anybody's pleasure.
Speaker 2: That was you know in the Chris they've chosen because
Speaker 2: they have you know, they're good looking or whatever and smart.
Speaker 2: But she wrote this book. I've read it, and I
Speaker 2: think she is very credible. I think she's one of
Speaker 2: many who are one of these monarch mind controlled slaves.
Speaker 2: These people are programmed. There their multiple personality now they
Speaker 2: call it dissociative identity disorder is imposed through traumatic experiences.
Speaker 2: Trauma based mind control stan make. Ritual abuse is another
Speaker 2: name for it, and used to be have to be
Speaker 2: done the first six years, often involving you know, rape
Speaker 2: and that sort of thing. But now I think it
Speaker 2: can be done. What they're trying to do with the
Speaker 2: TIS is do it after six years old electronically, by
Speaker 2: putting the victim through so much trauma that they can
Speaker 2: be controlled that way. I know they've certainly done some
Speaker 2: traumatic things to me, But I'm you know, I'm an
Speaker 2: old rock climber. I climbed mountains all over the world
Speaker 2: to me. These guys are a bunch of you know,
Speaker 2: a bunch of I won't say the word I'm thinking of,
Speaker 2: there are a bunch of whompen you know.
Speaker 1: And it's the application of trauma, like they're literally thinking,
Speaker 1: are your your political figures know that they're imposing trauma
Speaker 1: on the whole populations and individuals of the United States.
Speaker 1: So that's what not very good traumatics, very willfully traumatizing
Speaker 1: the population.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it goes right back to the Tavis Dyck Institute,
Speaker 2: which was founded during World War One in Britain, funded
Speaker 2: disposedly by the rothschilds uh. The guy who headed that up,
Speaker 2: Sir William Sir John Rawlings Reeths the third Lord, Sir
Speaker 2: doctor John rawlins Reese, the third Brigadier General. I mean,
Speaker 2: how many titles can you get? And this he was
Speaker 2: the head of the Psychological Warfare Division of the British Army.
Speaker 2: And what they did they immediately started studying shell shocked soldiers,
Speaker 2: which is PTSD post traumatic stress disorder because they'd gone
Speaker 2: through trauma. They were in dissociated states, dissociative states that
Speaker 2: were nonfunctional, and they did not study them to try
Speaker 2: to heal them. They studied them to reverse the process
Speaker 2: so that they could put trauma in late trauma into
Speaker 2: the personality of individuals and do that by extension, they
Speaker 2: would use those same techniques to the whole population at LART.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting that you bring that up because you
Speaker 1: camera and that was part of his process. It's so
Speaker 1: sinister that he would get the people into a state
Speaker 1: through the torture that he put on them. They were
Speaker 1: they were eat out of his hand, so he would
Speaker 1: do things. This is how sinister. What happened to these
Speaker 1: people is like, do you want me to stop the pain? Yes, doctor,
Speaker 1: please stop the pain, and then give them pain and
Speaker 1: then they would say do you want me to stop
Speaker 1: the pain? Yeah, please stop it. Then more pain and
Speaker 1: it would just break them down into jellyfish. Really, through
Speaker 1: this process of uh imposing trauma and then getting them
Speaker 1: to eat out of his hands. Really incredible what they
Speaker 1: were really doing, And I guess it makes a person
Speaker 1: more suggestible. So once that's broken down, then they can
Speaker 1: tell and what to do because they don't want any
Speaker 1: pain to come back. That's part. I don't want to
Speaker 1: get into the details of how these are created, but
Speaker 1: that's part of that process. That's what they learned through
Speaker 1: all of that experimentation anyway, so it always in the
Speaker 1: back of my mind.
Speaker 2: Again, I read about fifty or more books on this,
Speaker 2: and the Tavistock Institute is so important that doctor John
Speaker 2: Coleman wrote a book about this, and Daniel Estilan wrote
Speaker 2: another book about it. But they were working on this
Speaker 2: again since World War One, and apparently these British psychiatrists
Speaker 2: and whatnot teamed up with the military again were really
Speaker 2: kind of obsessed with figuring out just the exact moment
Speaker 2: and just the exact thing that would break the spirit
Speaker 2: of their enemy or whatever their victim. And you know,
Speaker 2: they wanted to quantify this. And you know, I feel
Speaker 2: like as a TI myself, as a labrat who is
Speaker 2: subjected to these frequencies and to this abuse of getting
Speaker 2: stuck in on the street. They you know, they're measuring everything,
Speaker 2: they're recording everything. They want to know the exact moment
Speaker 2: when my personality breaks and they can control me. These
Speaker 2: sickly yeah, really sick yea. Here's the quote.
Speaker 1: Here's the quote. Okay, please continue, but I got the
Speaker 1: quote for the hotline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 1: So this is from I can't remember which book, but
Speaker 1: it goes early on and information hotline was established between
Speaker 1: these people of money and power, people like Alan Dolas,
Speaker 1: Sid Gottlieve, Richard Nixon, and others. This hotline enabled them
Speaker 1: to keep to be kept informed of the content of
Speaker 1: these experiments and who was participating. They in turn found
Speaker 1: ways of blackmailing certain of these politicians, doctors, and scientists
Speaker 1: so that they could control and manipulate some of these experiments.
Speaker 1: They hope to eventually benefit personally from certain research findings.
Speaker 1: Many of the experiments started under Bluebird Artichoke MK Ultra
Speaker 1: continue behind the seats covertly and independent of the funding
Speaker 1: and knowledge of our of our government black project and
Speaker 1: black budgets. So it was even beyond the black projects
Speaker 1: and black black budgets. Yeah, so these guys do.
Speaker 2: So you see those guys.
Speaker 1: Dollas is all over JFK. Nixon too. Sid Gottlieb is
Speaker 1: known as the Sorcerer, kind of himself as a hooded monk.
Speaker 1: So these guys that were thinking of themselves like witches.
Speaker 2: Interesting connection. Interesting connection because what they're doing, of course
Speaker 2: is so dark. Yeah, there's a marriage of military dominance
Speaker 2: with with this occult witchcraft. Thing with academics and of
Speaker 2: course intelligence, and it's this nexus of which is brew
Speaker 2: of scientism. I would call it out the physical geography professor,
Speaker 2: And I thought science was good. You went out and
Speaker 2: tried to discover the truth. But but scientism, as in
Speaker 2: global warming and as in the the kind of thing
Speaker 2: that's gone into this COVID scripted COVID scenario. This is
Speaker 2: using science to for to achieve a political agenda. So
Speaker 2: you choose, you pick and choose the individuals who will
Speaker 2: play ball and come up with the right conclusion. You
Speaker 2: reward those guys, you know, like Phil Jones at the
Speaker 2: Climate Research inst it over at the University of East
Speaker 2: Anglia and London in England, you know, to promote the
Speaker 2: global warming thing with these bogues models. And likewise this
Speaker 2: guy what is his name, the guy who did the
Speaker 2: models talking about how many people were going to die
Speaker 2: from COVID. He's also a British university. So what they
Speaker 2: get is these very prerept scientists. And of course we
Speaker 2: see that in spades with these with these six psychiatrists.
Speaker 2: I think that they should be they should be put
Speaker 2: they should be put away.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that the committees that looked
Speaker 1: into this stuff really successfully saw the enormity of it.
Speaker 1: In seventy five, what was it, the not the little committee?
Speaker 1: So that committee that they had, the Senator Church Committee. Yea,
Speaker 1: they didn't see all of they didn't get all the enormity.
Speaker 2: Oh no, that's the point. Yeah, they got the tip
Speaker 2: of the iceberg, and they talked about it, and they
Speaker 2: slapped the CIA on the wrist. And of course what
Speaker 2: they did was they moved these mind control operations underground
Speaker 2: into the cults that they created. And you know, Scientology
Speaker 2: and other UFO cults are created by the intelligence agencies,
Speaker 2: and this is where they would do their you know,
Speaker 2: mind control experimentation. And and now it's just.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that you brought up scientology because I've been
Speaker 1: reading about this MK ultra and I'm seeing the same
Speaker 1: type of personality tests to get into your personality test
Speaker 1: is exactly like what the personality test. And the introduction
Speaker 1: of scientology it makes scientology a sinister group even more sinister.
Speaker 1: It is so scary. Scientology is terrifying. You do not
Speaker 1: want to get involved in that. How much mind control
Speaker 1: they really may They they did things that work incredible
Speaker 1: I'm surprised scientology is even legal. Well after I saw
Speaker 1: all of the mind control stuff in there, which I
Speaker 1: didn't before they did. They did incredible stuff. They got
Speaker 1: into programming self. These so called things that are leading
Speaker 1: you up the bridge to total freedom, which is a
Speaker 1: total lie, are taking you down to hell of total control.
Speaker 1: But they tell you that when you do these processes,
Speaker 1: and I'm not even gonna go do it but yourself
Speaker 1: programming yourself the way it was set up, whether it
Speaker 1: was done by Hubbard or somebody else, you become your
Speaker 1: own black psychologist. That's how deep it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And if you dare to leave the cult, then
Speaker 2: they have what's called fair game, which is another synonym
Speaker 2: for gang stocking, right, true, So that's.
Speaker 1: The targeted individual gang stocking. So they will they do
Speaker 1: all that stuff that's a known element of getting out
Speaker 1: of scientology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Masons have their version of it. It's
Speaker 2: called the White Glove or secret Dagger, silent dagger, slow dagger.
Speaker 2: So a lot of this is coming from the Masonry,
Speaker 2: which of course is based on this satanic program of
Speaker 2: the Jewish Kabbalah, which is Babylonian black magic, which is
Speaker 2: really seems to be the source of the occult, the darkest,
Speaker 2: most satanic occult, which is embedded in a lot of
Speaker 2: these programs. I'm afraid. So, you know, we're looking at
Speaker 2: very very diabolical forces here, and generally speaking, I don't
Speaker 2: you know, I think the people that are on the
Speaker 2: ground stocking, I mean, they're they're letting people out of
Speaker 2: prison with you know, plea bar you know, you know,
Speaker 2: trade off. I'll let you do this if you go
Speaker 2: stock people. So a lot of the people that I
Speaker 2: run into and other t I is run into, are
Speaker 2: actual criminals that are you know, given a deal by
Speaker 2: the police department or by the FBI to go do
Speaker 2: this work. And they're this work of destroying other people's
Speaker 2: lives and then they're paid a lot of money and
Speaker 2: it's managed through out of our police departments and our
Speaker 2: Department of Homeland Security fusion centers. So what we as
Speaker 2: a nation have gone down a very very dark road
Speaker 2: of total population control. And so we have to see
Speaker 2: that the shooter phenomenon is one of the domestic terror
Speaker 2: events that is trying to keep the population in submission,
Speaker 2: in terror in control. And of course, the targeted individual
Speaker 2: program is and then of course the whole COVID thing
Speaker 2: with the vaccine, all of that is all part and
Speaker 2: parcel of this, you know, kind of scientific dictatorship to
Speaker 2: take down the population and control it. Well, of course
Speaker 2: that's the complete opposite of what our country stands for.
Speaker 1: So those people doing it, Yeah, it's mass formation psychosis.
Speaker 1: So it literally can create a formation of people losing
Speaker 1: their rationality, no question.
Speaker 2: It could never have been done without the weaponization of
Speaker 2: science and psychology. And again we go up through this list, Cameron,
Speaker 2: we go up and we talked about this in our
Speaker 2: last interview, you know, about the dissent and to help
Speaker 2: a rogues gallery Hall of Shame, I go through the
Speaker 2: name of about forty four of these individuals with their
Speaker 2: pictures and their bios and everything. We go through Jose
Speaker 2: Delgado to another CIA scignist mind control guy who invented
Speaker 2: the democeiver. Implants that he put in monkeys to control
Speaker 2: their behavior and emotions.
Speaker 1: And put it into a bowl, right, he's Spanish, put
Speaker 1: it into a ball to stop it from being aggressive.
Speaker 1: So it's psychosurgery.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And of course these guys are promoted by the
Speaker 2: deep state because of it's very useful work for them.
Speaker 1: But he went to Yale. He went from Spain to Yale, right,
Speaker 1: I think, which is very telling just being at Yale's
Speaker 1: Red fly.
Speaker 2: Yale is the center, of course, the big center, you know,
Speaker 2: skull and bones and everything. But you know, he testified
Speaker 2: in front of Congress I think in the seventies. You know,
Speaker 2: people really don't have the right to determine their own
Speaker 2: future and use their own minds and develop their own minds.
Speaker 2: That's an illusion, he says. You know, really they don't
Speaker 2: have it. We don't have that right. And so somehow
Speaker 2: another they're able to you know, maybe through the John
Speaker 2: Gettinger's Personality Assessment system or whatever, they're able to find
Speaker 2: these brilliant scientists who are willing to work for these
Speaker 2: totalitarian aims. They've probably filter around for every Delgado and
Speaker 2: Cameron they I don't know, maybe they filtered at one
Speaker 2: or two decent people who just decided not to do it.
Speaker 2: They kill them.
Speaker 1: They killed them. That's what happened to Frank Olson. They
Speaker 1: I mean, his son believes that the whole story that
Speaker 1: he went insane from LSD was a cover for him
Speaker 1: actually being one of the few known whistleblowers of these programs.
Speaker 1: He was a conscientious objector. He was troubled, according to
Speaker 1: his son, you can watch the documentary Wormwood. That I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a well known CIA assassin technique is to throw
Speaker 1: somebody off, you know, out of a hotel room or something.
Speaker 1: But he was complaining, he was thought he was morally
Speaker 1: wrong to conduct these experiments and fifty three that's that's
Speaker 1: what he was troubled by. They think that the cover
Speaker 1: dose of LSD is a fake story to actually cover
Speaker 1: from the real assassination. According to his son that you
Speaker 1: can see that Errol Morris was the director of the
Speaker 1: warg Sorry, yeah, I've.
Speaker 2: Read enough books, you know, about this subject, so that
Speaker 2: I've heard several versions of that story. In fact, there's
Speaker 2: a long book by John Alborelli called a Terrible Mistake,
Speaker 2: and then it goes into the CIA's mind control experiments.
Speaker 2: But the version that is most credible to me, William
Speaker 2: is that he was asked to go over to Germany. Now,
Speaker 2: this is a guy who was a PhD chemist who
Speaker 2: worked at the Edgewood Arsenal, you know, bioweapons kind of thing.
Speaker 2: But it was a relatively small bunch back then, so
Speaker 2: he was asked to go over with a group of
Speaker 2: CIA's psychiatrists to a quote safe house in Germany where
Speaker 2: they were doing these quote unquote terminal experiments on non
Speaker 2: consensual human subjects. What he saw over there really threw
Speaker 2: him for a loop, and he came back really depressed
Speaker 2: because he realized what his group was doing. And this
Speaker 2: was again under doctor Sidney Gottlieb, another chemist who was
Speaker 2: managing the mk ulture program. And his wife said he
Speaker 2: was very depressed for a while. And at that point
Speaker 2: then sid Godlieb actually put the LSD in his wine
Speaker 2: or whatever. He went off on a trip and he
Speaker 2: became then a kind of a threat to the whole system.
Speaker 2: So what are we going to do about this guy
Speaker 2: who's not on board? And apparently he was at this
Speaker 2: conference or something at this hotel or something on the
Speaker 2: tenth floor and a guy another one of these cis
Speaker 2: by chiatrist names Abrams, who was all into LSD research,
Speaker 2: and another one maybe even said Sid Godlib not only
Speaker 2: pushed him out the window, they hit him on the
Speaker 2: head with a hammer first, and that was discovered when
Speaker 2: his son managed to do a second autopsy of the body.
Speaker 2: You know, thirty forty fifty years later, he found his
Speaker 2: blow on the back of the head. So he was murdered,
Speaker 2: and he was murdered by he's the CIA A psychopaths,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: So the bad guys got got rid of the good guy,
Speaker 1: chucked him out of the thing, and then the whole
Speaker 1: thing continued to go. I got this reference from Godly.
Speaker 1: It's here, he said when Godleb testified to his Senate
Speaker 1: committee about his MK Ultra mind control program in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy five. He used the pseudonym Joseph Scheider, a reference
Speaker 1: to a nineteenth century lithograph of a hooded monk. It
Speaker 1: is Godly, as he saw himself, a mysterious guardian of
Speaker 1: esoteric knowledge, alluring but unsettling, drawing inspiration from a pipe
Speaker 1: to peer into the human soul. So these guys are
Speaker 1: having a quote. Unfortunately, there's an element of occultism, and
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys were more avieuws A good.
Speaker 2: You know, I think you know a lot about the
Speaker 2: Bavarian Illuminati. Correct.
Speaker 1: Well, I can't say I'm a scholar, but I'm having
Speaker 1: a guy often later on this month to talk about
Speaker 1: his book on the Illuminati. But tell me about it.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Well, you know, this is very
Speaker 2: very important. I mean, this is a Satanic group which
Speaker 2: was founded in seventeen seventy six, the year our nation
Speaker 2: was founded. And they are the ones who by Adam Weishaut,
Speaker 2: who was a Bavarian professor of canon law who was
Speaker 2: born Jewish, grew up Jesuit, became a Satanist and created
Speaker 2: this structure, the system the Illuminati and for the Rothschilds
Speaker 2: who were just coming to kind of financial ascendants in
Speaker 2: Europe at that time, and apparently a large group of
Speaker 2: unseen backers, which may include the Sanhedrin of the Jewish culture.
Speaker 2: And so it's primarily a Jewish secret society, but not
Speaker 2: strictly Jewish. And they wanted to you know, they were
Speaker 2: full mentors of revolution. They and the Masons, because they
Speaker 2: in the next couple of years they actual it took
Speaker 2: control of the upper divisions of the of the Masons.
Speaker 2: So they used the already existing Masonic secret society to
Speaker 2: you know, to keep their program going. And the Masons,
Speaker 2: in conjunction with the Illuminati, then managed and organized the
Speaker 2: French Revolution, you know, the Red Terror and killed you know,
Speaker 2: three million people and the most most bloody, vicious Satanic
Speaker 2: orgy of violence and terror and torture, and then this
Speaker 2: became the prototype then for the Bolshevik Revolution of nineteen seventeen.
Speaker 2: And I believe this is where we are now. I
Speaker 2: think the same group, which I do believe is demon possessed.
Speaker 2: The top people would be actually I believe possessed of
Speaker 2: these demonic spirits, so they themselves would be kind of
Speaker 2: ring Raith type individuals. I believe this. The goal now
Speaker 2: is to extend that Illuminati bloody revolution to the entire world,
Speaker 2: and the Masons very much in on it, the Satanic
Speaker 2: groups very much in on it, which apparently includes the
Speaker 2: intelligence agencies that also is a cult. So we're dealing
Speaker 2: with very very powerful cults, interlocking cults, and the course
Speaker 2: mind control would be one of their most profound methods
Speaker 2: of control, a secret weapon which they are wielding now.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure many of our politicians are controlled in
Speaker 2: this manner, you know, much like the shooters, you know,
Speaker 2: the at Uvaldi, et cetera. They can be controlled as well,
Speaker 2: and they take out the guys like they took out Olsen,
Speaker 2: and then the bad guys remain, you know, And so
Speaker 2: we in the public sector who are trying to defend
Speaker 2: our lives and our future, and our family's future, and
Speaker 2: our country's future. We're up against the wall here because
Speaker 2: this historic group, which has a plan, is now executing
Speaker 2: that plan globally. And Tex Mars was a guy who
Speaker 2: did the Power Prophecy series. He was an Air Force
Speaker 2: officer for twenty years, author of some seventy books, and
Speaker 2: a Christian pastor, and he had this Power Prophecy dot Have.
Speaker 1: He recently passed away right the last couple of years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he died in the last few years. The Power Prophecy
Speaker 1: dot Com program is still going on with Jerry Barrett
Speaker 1: doing the show's weekly But Tex was just one of
Speaker 1: a kind individual did a tremendous amount of research on
Speaker 1: the Illuminati. I bought probably about forty or fifty of
Speaker 1: his Power Prophecy programs on CD and when I'm driving
Speaker 1: across the country or going to Mexico or something, I'll
Speaker 1: just plug him in and listen to him and repetitively
Speaker 1: because there's so much information there about the Illuminati. But
Speaker 1: with his background in military, you know, he's able to
Speaker 1: tie into politics very nicely and does a brilliant analysis
Speaker 1: of what's going on in the world geopolitically, he brings
Speaker 1: in the spiritual factor, he brings in the illuminatiocult factor,
Speaker 1: talks about the Mason talks about all of these things
Speaker 1: in a way I think, which is just so of
Speaker 1: just you know, several cuts above what we get from
Speaker 1: any other kind of source in terms of giving us information,
Speaker 1: background information that we can use to understand what's happening, you.
Speaker 2: Know, because things are so confusing now. Now, one area
Speaker 2: that he didn't get into that much, as it turns out,
Speaker 2: was a target individual in mind control phenomena, which is
Speaker 2: what I've gone into. So if you add what He's
Speaker 2: done with what I've done and others, you know, in
Speaker 2: similar fields, the information is out there. And but how
Speaker 2: many people are going to go how many? How many?
Speaker 2: I mean? I had my you know, I guess one
Speaker 2: of my relatives come and visit here recently. And I
Speaker 2: plopped down these huge two volumes I had written between
Speaker 2: twenty eleven and twenty sixteen is Crestone baka The Vatican
Speaker 2: City of the New World Order, an expots they of
Speaker 2: the New World Religion. I plunk these two volumes over
Speaker 2: twelve hundred pages in front of him. He didn't even
Speaker 2: open it. No. I mean, okay, so I can sit
Speaker 2: down there and I can spend years writing something. Who's
Speaker 2: gonna who's gonna read it? Do we have people out
Speaker 2: there with enough brains and curiosity to educate themselves? I
Speaker 2: don't know. That's to me, that's the sixty four dollars question?
Speaker 2: What who who are we talking to? Who's out there?
Speaker 2: Is there anybody out there with with with balls? Is
Speaker 2: there anybody out there with brains? Is there anybody out
Speaker 2: there with a survival instinct who would like to uh
Speaker 2: beat these uh these psychopaths? I certainly hope. So how
Speaker 2: long is it gonna take before they realize or are
Speaker 2: they're gonna be defeated before they ever before they ever
Speaker 2: make any counter kunter resistance? I don't know how.
Speaker 1: Long are these How long can these people endure the
Speaker 1: torturing of their own brandwash minds? Just like the son says, like,
Speaker 1: they're definitely inflicting trauma upon the population through actions and
Speaker 1: things like that. So it's it's incredible. I mean nine
Speaker 1: eleven is a perfect example. Just like what they did
Speaker 1: over COVID to the people. I mean, they did use
Speaker 1: those techniques of like you're gonna die. You know, everybody's
Speaker 1: fear of death, like you're about to die. They actually
Speaker 1: set it on that uh White the house thing. If
Speaker 1: you don't get your vaccine, you're dead. You're gonna suffer
Speaker 1: and die. So how long are people going to tolerate
Speaker 1: that people wanting to manipulating them. I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: a great question, Eric, word of the hour. We're at
Speaker 1: the sixty minutes. Do you want to just summarize and uh,
Speaker 1: I mean I think you've kind of had a semi
Speaker 1: closing statement there, but why don't you do that and
Speaker 1: then we'll leave it till the next interview, next discussion.
Speaker 2: Well, I yeah, again, I really enjoy these conversations, William,
Speaker 2: because you're so up to speed on these things. We
Speaker 2: can move through a lot of material very quickly. And
Speaker 2: for those who want to go deeper again, my five
Speaker 2: websites are gang Stocking, mind Control Cults dot com, long
Speaker 2: ure O, UH nine to one one, nWo dot com,
Speaker 2: San Luis Valley Waterwatch dot com, Natural climate Change dot
Speaker 2: org goes into the geoengineering and all that stuff, and
Speaker 2: then my musical website is Ericcarlstrom dot com. And a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, twenty nineteen, in the fall, I
Speaker 2: put together a series of seventy four soundtracks which is
Speaker 2: available for sale on my Ericcarlstrom dot com website entitled
Speaker 2: entitled Lifeline Essential Insights and Healing Music for illegally targeted Citizens.
Speaker 2: And that's who they're targeting. They're targeting citizens who are
Speaker 2: not guilty of any crime. It's an extra legal process.
Speaker 2: And this is the TI phenomenon, a unacknowledged special access project.
Speaker 2: But this program then can create these shooters again with
Speaker 2: electronic frequentcies, satellites, supercomputers, people can be tracked, people can
Speaker 2: be harassed and traumatized, people can have their personality broken,
Speaker 2: and they can become bio robot slaves for the system.
Speaker 2: And then they're programmed and they can be programmed to kill.
Speaker 2: And this is very unsavory subject. And I know I'd
Speaker 2: rather talk about bluegrass music and puppy dogs, you know,
Speaker 2: believe me. But we're in a very dangerous place in
Speaker 2: the world right now, extremely dangerous because this this cabal,
Speaker 2: this cult at the top, has full access to this technology.
Speaker 2: They have all the government has a monopoly on violence.
Speaker 2: It seems we have to be non violent. They can
Speaker 2: be as violent as they want. They use us against
Speaker 2: each other, they pit us against each other. It's a
Speaker 2: little like the Hunger games, you know. And how do
Speaker 2: you control somebody, Well, you control the people around them.
Speaker 2: That's how I'm controlled. I'm a ti How do they
Speaker 2: control me? They control they They surround me with surveillance
Speaker 2: role players. People get paid to be surveillance role players.
Speaker 2: They are crisis actors. They are fake people, much like
Speaker 2: the movie The Truman Show. They are actually spies. They're
Speaker 2: taking whatever information they get and bringing it back up
Speaker 2: the chain of command up to the NSA, through the
Speaker 2: NSA Global Spy Network. All this has described very well
Speaker 2: in a series of interviews by activists and New Zealand
Speaker 2: politician Susy Dawson, which I have on my website. So
Speaker 2: the informations out there for people who are targeted, you, yes,
Speaker 2: you're being put through hell. We're being put through hell.
Speaker 2: But we can, through information and knowledge, survive this. And
Speaker 2: I'm hoping that with you know, with time, with a
Speaker 2: more critical mass of people who understand this, we can
Speaker 2: turn this around. We can prosecute the criminals who are
Speaker 2: in the DHS and the FBI and our local sheriff
Speaker 2: and the CIA and the FBI and NSA and of
Speaker 2: course our local stalkers the purpose on the ground, but
Speaker 2: we need to know these technologies. I was very confused
Speaker 2: when I became targeted viciously in twenty thirteen. That first
Speaker 2: year or two is shock and awe. It's like they
Speaker 2: want to just take you out with all kinds of
Speaker 2: horrendous experiences. If you can survive those years, the first
Speaker 2: two years through knowledge and understand what's actually happening, and
Speaker 2: that it's happening to many many others, you're not alone,
Speaker 2: then maybe you can survive it. And I think it's
Speaker 2: part of a genocide program involving also many other elements.
Speaker 2: But it's a very very nasty genocide which our government
Speaker 2: is doing. So I say, stop paying these people for
Speaker 2: killing us.
Speaker 1: Amen to that. And so I will put links to
Speaker 1: your websites and show notes and so people can reach
Speaker 1: out and talk to you, contact you through the websites.
Speaker 1: And again I guess was doctor Eric Carlstrom talking about
Speaker 1: mass shootings, MK ultra and programmed to kill. Thanks so
Speaker 1: much for your time.
Speaker 2: Thank you, William always take care.
Speaker 1: Like with take care, we'll see if I get stopped