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friends here, c Jangle, what's going on? TJ?
Speaker 2: Nothing much manhead to merry Christmas.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, me too. It was great. Good how you doing?
Speaker 3: Oh good? I had a great Christmas. I hope you
two had a merry Christmas as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awesome. All right, enough of that, we
can do that. We can talk about that later. What
do we call them this jeet gate cheek Kate?
Speaker 3: I like operation clip.
Speaker 1: Operation pooper clip. Okay, So yeah, I mean, let's let's
just jump right into this. Anyone who wants to go
first and talk about what they've been seeing and what
they're thinking.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess the first question is I don't what
was the genesis of this, Like why did why did
all this transpire on Christmas?
Speaker 2: And who started it?
Speaker 3: Vvac vvac had this uh now legendary tweet complaining about
sleepovers and going to the ball h instead of increasing
the GDP, I'll link it on the side chat.
Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I mean I just I saw everybody piling on.
I guess there was that one Who's that one guy?
I guess he was like a pseudonym or something it was,
uh And then Sacks Sacks got involved and I saw
them pushing the H one B stuff with with who's
the guy sirium or whatever they tapped to do the
AI stuff. And then that's that's the first time I
saw it was with all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's pull this up here, let me share it
real quick, is all right, So I guess I'll read it.
This is from First Thing Morning, First Thing in the morning,
ten ten o'clock, ten am today. The reason top tech
companies often hire foreign born and first generation engineers over
native and he quotes natives Americans isn't because of an
innate American, I q to fit the deficit a lazy
and wrong explanation. A key part of it comes down
to the C word culture. Tough questions demand tough answers,
and if we're really serious about fixing the problem, we
have to confront the truth. Our American culture has venerated
mediocrity over excellence for way too long, at least since
the nineties and likely longer. That doesn't start in college,
it starts young. Anyone want to start there?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can start.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know, my general thing is that
because I saw NICKI Haley pushing back against this, but
I think that there is a major problem in the
labor force in America, and I think that the quality
stock of Americans is something that we do need to
talk about. And I just I'm very I'm sick of
all of these like you know, globalist types, you know,
tech types, whatever you want to call them, you know,
post American, post national types, basically talking talking in terms
of solving these problems by importing people, by replacing the
Native American, you know, native American in the classic heritage
American sense, replacing them with the third world. That is
not a legitimate solution. And the right wing in America,
anybody that cares about this country needs to put it
into it immediately. This is not how you solve problems
as a nation. You don't just replace the thing that
has the problem. This is like, this is the total
mentality of Silicon Valley. Whenever there's a hardware that needs
to be replaced, you just boot it to the side
and create something new. And I don't think that's something
that we can have going forward. And it's certainly not
anything that's going to help America in the long term.
Speaker 3: No, it's literally the same argument when it boils down
to it, that we need to import low skilled labor
from South America because they'll do the jobs. American won't.
Americans won't. He's just saying, now we need Indians because
they'll do the job Americans won't. I mean, he doesn't
say Indians here, but we know that's what he means.
That's what all these people are are thinking about. That's
where these so called high skilled immigrants are going to
come from.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The you know what he doesn't talk about here
is well, let's let let's continue here. A culture that
celebrates the promo queen over the math Olympiad champ or
the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers. Okay,
when we there was a time when when was the
last time a jock or the prom queen wasn't you know,
like showcased. And still we did really well, and we
had white engineers and the guys with pocket protectors building
jets doing all sorts of things. But really what happened?
White people, heritage Americans have been written out of that system.
Speaker 3: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: So this is bullshit right here. It's total fucking bullshit. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, like the other thing is, you know he's this
is this is such a myopic way of looking up
at these problems that like our national problems are very
politically oriented, and the idea that we can ignore all
of the side effects, the ramifications, the unintended consequences of
just importing the best quote unquote engineers, I think is insane.
I think it's a path that national suicide. Actually, And
like the idea that I'm supposed to care about like
some you know, like hyper focused you know, downstream effect
of of our like technical production in a state of
like civilizational and national cultural emergency is just something that
I think the right wing is just tired of. And
this is why he's getting so much pushback. By the way,
like this is the thing at the at the electoral box.
You know, a few months ago, the woke left was
basically defeated and the you know, the tech pros or
the tech right and the heritage American rights sort of
came together to defeat the woke left. But now that
we've done that, we have this real fight on our hands.
This is this is a war between like the postwar cosensus,
you know, concessant consensus liberalism and the true right wing.
That's what's happening here. And what we're trying to do
is we're trying to pull apart at the thread. It's
basically kept this mythos going since the nineteen sixties. This
is all coming to fruition. And the reason why this
is such a controversy is because the right wing is
sick of thinking within the framework of the post war consensus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And when these people drop these points about
needing these engineers or whatever it's always engineers to to
do labor, why why is this even so necessary? You know,
Musk said that we need one hundred and sixty thousand
and more on top of the one hundred and sixty
thousand number someone else had named or something to do
these jobs. What jobs can you name the jobs? What
are the essential engineering jobs that aren't being done? The
one hundred and sixty thousand jobs that apparently really need
to be done. And that's why we need all these
immigrants more garbage websites, Like what are these people doing
are going to do that isn't being done?
Speaker 1: Right now?
Speaker 3: That's so essential. The essential problem is the fact that
these people are brought in in the first place. The
solution being proposed by Ramaswami at all to solve the
alleged labor shortage in engineering, which doesn't even exist. Is
what caused the problem in the first place, is you're
out competing the native population with all these foreigners. And
that's of course why that's why that the country is
underperforming now. It's because the natives are actually being competed
out and they would do even better at the job.
So you're actually worsening your workforce by demoralizing the native population.
Speaker 1: And I think we're waiting for starlink to catch up here,
are you there?
Speaker 2: Charlie engineering shortage called it.
Speaker 1: All right, We'll come back to Charlie.
Speaker 3: Damn it. Yeah, sorry, my internet connection failed for a second.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I think that that's I mean,
that's the gist of my thoughts on that initial thing.
But by the way, and I don't know if you
want to step back here a little bit, but all
this didn't come about this morning like this. This actually
broke Christmas Day with David Sachs quote tweeting, I don't
even know how to pronounce his name, sra Ram. You know,
some guy from India basically who's advising the Trump administration
on AI policy. That's kind of where all this happened.
It kind of blew up in David Sachs face by
this thing going viral, and then today Vivek jumped in
only twenty four hours after the case. So I saw
all this break on Christmas Day?
Speaker 1: Well even before that. Wasn't it a couple of days
before that that the quote unquote ai ZAR was announced?
And yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that was before Christmas Day?
Yeah yeah, So this is well, here, here's the obvious thing. Okay,
let's let's take it at face value. They need one
hundred and sixty thousand engineers, okay, and they need them
now and they understand. Okay, you know, we may need
to get more people educated, more Americans educated, more heritage
Americans educated. Why do they have to come here? Everything
can be everything's done remote. I mean, like, what is
it one percent of the government like reports to work
like on a regular basis. Now everybody's working remote? Why
can't they work remote?
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly?
Speaker 4: That's that's That's the point that I was gonna make,
is like, like we live in twenty twenty four world.
Do they have to move to to the other side
of the planet in order to do their work? If Elon,
if Elon feels like he needs to be there, to
oversee them, or if VECT needs to be there to
oversee them, move the Silicon Valley companies like they don't need,
you know, ormove the oversight, like move the managers. You
don't need to import hundreds of thousands of workers to
California and to Texas in order to do the things
that they say they're going to do. It's not like
they're building hardware. It's not like they're physically building rockets.
These are engineers. They can work from wherever, and if
you need oversight, send the oversight over to India, or
since they're so brilliant at what they're doing, you could
probably just get Indian engineers or Indian managers too.
Speaker 1: And it's not only that. I mean, make an argument, okay,
or how about some horse trading. Look, we're going to
deport twenty million people who are here illegally. If you
give us this one hundred and sixty thousand. I mean,
I don't want that. They all the one hundred and
sixty thousand need to stay where they are. The twenty
million need to go. But at least that's a fucking
conversation instead of just being like, oh no, this is
the way it has to be. We are not going
to survive unless we get these people into the United States.
They're not even talking about that. So what do you
have another one hundred and sixty thousand people more, you know,
more rents. The price of rent is going up, the
every the price of everything is going up. What I
mean just.
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's why, Like I said at the beginning,
it's always that there's no reasoning done here. It's always
the same point, whether you're Hillary Clinton or Vivek Ramaswami.
It's that we need these jobs done, so we have
to import hundreds of thousands of foreigners to do with them.
There's no explanation of what the jobs are. There's no
explanation of what's going to happen if those jobs aren't done,
and it's just throw out some big number. This number
of jobs needs to be done. The only way to
do them is to import people. So we're just going
to do it. There's no discussion, there's no horse trading.
This is just what has to happen because reasons. We
have to have quote unquote engineers build websites or whatever.
But the term engineer has gotten horribly diluted as well.
Often they just mean programmers. And if you mean programmers,
absolutely there's no reason to move them around the world.
Any major corporation has programmers in many different countries. I
mean literally, my neighbor manages people in countries almost twelve
hours removed from him, like you do not. We no
longer need to bring these people here if if in
fact they are necessary. But that's what that's what should
be done too, is explain why they are necessary. Ken
vivek Ramaswami, name a single job of one hundred thousand
that's so essential that we need someone for and to
fill it? What is the job? Vivat Ramswami.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, what is that?
Speaker 2: What is the Yeah? What is the job? Is a
good question.
Speaker 4: But also so like this is this is the thing
that the you know, the the consensus liberals don't get.
Why do we have to frame our national problems in
terms of job in terms of these like technocratic technological innovation,
Like is that really the end all be all of
politics and and and the good of of you know,
what's good for a people? Like can we even say
that there is something about like like this. It's hard
to even conceive of a software that's so important that
it's more of a priority than the existential questions of
what it means for people to be a people.
Speaker 3: Right, whatever the job is, it doesn't even matter ultimately,
because we'll make do with or without it. If we
need the job, we will train our people to do it.
And if the job is not actually essential, then it
doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 3: These people talk about America and they treat America as
just like every I saw. Devin Stack tweeted something about
how these people think everyone on the planet is an
American who just hasn't been hired yet. They talk about
America winning, protecting America. Well, America is the people. It's
not the economy. When they say America, they're talking about
the economy of America. When we say America, we're talking
about Americans, the native people to this land who cross
the sea, not the numbers in the economy. That's not America.
And that's the most war consensus is that it's just
statistics and numbers about what your GDP is, and we
are way past that. And these LARPing elites like Musk
who are trying to be a man of the people
still fundamentally doesn't grasp this that the election of Trump
was about Americans taking back control of their country. It
wasn't about this nonsense about high IQ immigration. It wasn't
about the economy. That's the one thing that heavily needs
to be pushed back on is they're always trying to
frame Trump's victories around economy. People are not voting for
Trump because of the economy. They're voting for Trump because
they've lost control of their country. That is why he
won the election. We do not care about Lyne go up.
We care about the people.
Speaker 4: No, I totally, I totally agree with that. Yeah, yeah, no,
I totally agree with that. And also, like, let me
just say too, I'm glad we're having this fight because
there are a lot of people and I get the
people that say don't vote for Trump because it's just
part of the system. But this is a debate that
we could not have had under Harris, Like we were
accused by the left of just doing whatever the billionaire
Peter Tiel and Elon Musk wanted. But actually it shows
this entire situation shows that we care about who we
are as a people much more so than we care
about the wills of of Elan Musk. And we are
willing to turn on them on a dime when it
comes to who we are in our identity.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, some people I've noticed are too attached to Musk
and feel like they have to defend Musk and Trump
at all times, to the extent that he's connected to this.
Musk and Trump and all these people are a means
to an end. They are useful to our cause as
vanguardists sometimes they have been thus far. But when they
step out of line and go directly against us, they
have to be disciplined and it has to be shown
that no, we're not just going to support you unequivocally
just because you were the most friendly toward us in
the election. That's not how this works. I'm not going
to sit here and defend everything Musk does and try
and jump through hoops. Regardless of whether or not it's
some sort of forty chast or whatever. It doesn't matter.
The message has to be consistent. What is that line
from that movie The Watchman, Never compromise even in the
face of armageddon. That is the idea. There's no compromise
to be made on this. This is the essential question
of everything that we're working towards. Is protecting the native
population of this land. There's simply no matter who how
friendly these guys are. And you can discipline allies in
a gentle way and not in a way that necessarily
breaks the alliance, but it has to be done. There's
no room for any sort of compromise on this position.
Speaker 1: I think the term post war consensus is going to
come up a lot in this discussion. I want to
read these next three paragraphs because I think they all
go together, and I want to make a comment on it.
He continues, this is vivek. A culture that venerates Corey
from Boy Meets World, or Zach and Slater over Screech
and say by the Bell, or Stefan or over Steve
Erkele in family matters will not produce the best engineers. Fact,
and this is in parenthesis. I know multiple sets of
immigrant parents in the nineties who actively limited how much
their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because promoted mediocrity,
and their kids went on to become wildly successful stem students.
More movies like Whiplash, Fury, Runs of Friends, more math tutoring,
fewer sleepovers, more weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons,
more books, less TV, more creating, less chilling, more extracurriculars,
less hang out at the mall. Okay, this is what
the post war consensus sold us. It sold us that
we were going that we were going to be deradicalized,
that we were going to be weakened, that the the
problem is is that there's too much of the Faustian
spirit in I'm going to say white America, and that
they need to be pacified. And the way that they
were going to do this was through entertainment, through through
multiple socially social engineering schemes of getting people to be
become weaker. And when he says this in the parentheses
where he's bragging about immigrant parents that came here, realize
what he's saying. When he mentions immigrant parents in the
who actively limited this so that their kids could become
more powerful than Americans, they can become more important than Americans.
That's exactly what he's saying here. He is saying, the
economy and everything has to do with the economy is
so important that I have no look at these look
at what these immigrant parents did. We should be looking
to them. They're the new leaders of the United States.
That's exactly what he's saying, here.
Speaker 4: No, this is this is a good conversation to have
because the argument has never been like this neo conservative
like fiched optimism. Like I forget her name, but the
the super ugly lady that's married to or or dating
Donald Trump Junior.
Speaker 1: What was her name, Kimberly Bill Foyle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so when she stood up, she's like, the best
is yet to come and all that.
Speaker 2: This is the type of like neo coon optimism.
Speaker 4: That's it's it's retarded, you know, in my opinion, we
actually do need to face the fact that we have
been a degenerating as a people since the end of
the World War two. Like the idea that you know,
America won World War two, it was you know, there's
a lot of different things to say about that, but
one of the things you can say, at the surface level,
it was a it was a pyrrhic victory. We have
lost our soul, we have lost our physical prowess, we
have lost our nobility as a people, like we we
lived in a state of glory as Americans, and we
have completely lost all those things. And those are things
worth talking about. And some of the mechanisms that caused
our moral and our cultural collapse are the things that
Vivec is talking about here. Nevertheless, none of those things
justify replacing the American people. What they call for is
a new dynamism, a new sense of investing in the
American people, investing in heritage America as historically constituted. That's
what we need right now. In fact, the thing that
would help America feel pride about itself right now is
a massive endeavor of remigration. That's the thing that will
help repudiate the things that Vivek's complaining about here.
Speaker 3: Right because the real solution is not what he's proposing.
That actually exacerbates the entire problem of demoralization and driving
our civilization further into a state of a complete inability
to have any respect for itself. So the proposed solution
is literally the problem. And a lot of the reason
we're in the generated state we're in is because of
all of this immigration in the first place. So this
isn't the solution. This is literally the problem, and he's
simply rephrasing the problem as a solution to try and
sell it to people who want to keep their flour
one ks maxed out and instead of facing the facts
that yeah, actually, things aren't going to get better from
here in the short term. It's not going to be
the best that ever was under Trump. We have serious
problems in this country, and unless we actually face the
facts that acknowledge them, we're never going to solve them.
What he's proposing is isn't the solution. It's the nail
and the coffin to America. It will absolutely destroy us.
We've already brought in millions of people in you know,
the quote nquote low status job positions. This now he's
talking about entirely replacing the middle class. This is classic
high low versus middle bringing in these stem engineers directly
competes with the middle class, which is the essential base
of Donald Trump. Like Donald Trump's base is not some
mythical working class or whatever. It's the middle classes, the
people who should be leading really great lives right now
and aren't because even though on paper, you know, they're
making a lot of money and maybe I've bought a
big house, they're unable to engage with the cult sure
and the civilization the way their parents were because it's
been completely hollowed out. And that that's why we're so mad.
I'm one of these people, right I, by all rights
I should have a really nice, upper middle class life
right now, and I don't because the country has been
ruined in yeah, you know, and ruined over the course,
you know, since World War Two, but especially after the
end of the Cold War, like the decline in standards,
living standards generally, not just economically but culturally. Everything has
dropped like a rock. And there's no there's nothing you
can do as an individual now to to bring it back,
no amount of money you can make to bring that back.
It's a civilization of problem. And you know, if we
do what Beck is proposing, we finish off the civilization.
It's done.
Speaker 1: I'll just ask mute out, well, mute out if you're
not talking, all right, let me move on here, because this, uh,
this only gets worse. Most normal American parents look skeptically
at those kind of parents. More normal American kids views
view those kind of kids with scorn. If you grow
up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.
Now close your eyes and visualize which families you knew
in the nineties or even now, who raise our kids
according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest,
normalcy doesn't cut it in a hyper competitive global market
for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does,
we'll have our asses handed to us by China. There
it is pure. I mean, when you have when when
you are pushing for a free market, whenevery, whenever you
hear anybody talking about a free market, and oh we
need to be able to trade. Remember the first and
most important product in a market is labor. And he
is absolutely talking about having a hyper competitive global market
for quote unquote technical talent. And he says, if if
I can't find it here, which through DEI things like that,
you're not good. They've been they've been shut out. We're
gonna have to go. We're gonna have to go anywhere
or else China is going to hand our ass to us,
which is I mean, the irony of him bringing that up.
Speaker 3: So how how many how many Indian technical laborers has
China imported?
Speaker 2: Right right?
Speaker 3: Like? It just doesn't make any sense if if if
China can can do it without do whatever it is,
like make really good websites, I guess is the issue.
If China can do it, then why can't we do it?
Because if that understands. You know, he's talked about DEI.
There's a comprehension that talent has been suppressed within the population,
so can we if we get rid of that, then
the problem should go away. Right, Why do we need
all of these Indian laborers? I mean, how many how
many high tech extremely competent engineers does China actually have?
You know, we get some numbers on this, you know, No,
we can't, because you know, he just he just all
he wants is the cheapest possible labor for people who
work twenty five hours a day. They're not actually interested
in you know, making some great technological advancement or whatever.
It's just about pumping their stocks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I agree with that too.
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, there's also this idea that like we're
not going to have any like national progress or we're
not going to do well as a people.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna you know, you know, be a.
Speaker 4: People if we if we don't like compete, Like the
whole thing is just some like big sports competition.
Speaker 2: I mean, like that's that's the thing that we're talking about.
Speaker 4: Is is America basically a sports team and if we
want to win, we basically have to stack the team.
We have to create a dream team, and so we
have to go all around the world looking for people.
We might even have to import, you know, thousands of
people in from China, and then we could beat you know,
the economic engine known as China. And it's like this
this extension of post war consensus thinking, and the only
way it can go from here is is in a
downward spiral. I mean, these are the things that cause
the disappearance and the vanishing of peoples. Like these are
very this is not a joke. Like the idea that
we can we can just operate our country like it's
a massive corporation that needs to compete with another massive
corporation is insane and it's suicidal. And I think one
of the things about like if the fact that he
doesn't truly understand is the meaning of the Trump phenomenon
was actually like, I mean, I know Charlotte Mane already
said this, but it's not about you know, economic it's
not it's not about like inflation, it's not about the
price of eggs. It's not even about the price of home,
like a lot of us would say, like we're willing
to suffer even more stenuous economic situations. We just want
our country back. And that's the thing that Vivek, just
by his very pedigree, can't actually digest. He can't actually
absorb that because there is no long term meaning of
this place, going back in time compared to what heritage
Americans think about their country.
Speaker 1: Well, and think about this. We know, I'm sure each
one of us on this call knows that if they
get rid of twenty, if they deport twenty to thirty million,
most likely if you own a home or any property,
the value of it's going down. I know my house will.
I don't know how anybody else. I mean that will
happen because there will be a lack of a demand.
Prices will get I'm willing to sacrifice for that.
Speaker 3: Would also also shouldn't even be a sacrifice, right, Like
in my something only has a price value. I mean,
this is this is kind of the classic. This is
like from Austrian economics. It's like the value of something
is what it actually sells for. Right, So like my
property has like a theoretical value, but I'm never selling it.
So what do I care if the quote unquote value
goes down? And this is a this is a whole
other problem that we don't need to get into. But
the idea it relates to the topic of the sort
of derasination because houses a home to a lot of
people after the post war consensus, is literally just like
another stock investment. It's not a home. It's an investment.
Your home shouldn't be primarily like the main thing you
shouldn't think about your home, it's like how much value
it has. It's about it's about it being a home
for a family and the people, your your people, right, Like,
so this is like a well but that that's the
counter argument to this position is like, well, a home
is not a like stock market investment. Like obviously people
will sell their houses and that's fine, and we don't
want prices to drop. But if the price of your
home goes down, like, what's the issue. You're living in
it now, so shouldn't it be fine.
Speaker 1: That was that My point in bringing it up was
just that is that you're if you're looking at your
home as something, oh, that this is just an investment
and when the p and when the market goes up,
I'll get rid of it and I'll go somewhere else.
It's not what I plan to do. I plan they're
gonna pull my body out of this place. They're gonna
pull my dead body out of this place. I mean
that it's that's not something that should be taken into
consideration if you consider yourself a part of the nation
of the people.
Speaker 2: M yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: And like, I have huge problems with what is considered
normal see in American culture, and I think a lot
of it has been the product of I mean, this
is this is Paul Gottfrey told thing that normalcy was
actually just a product of the managerial state. I mean,
if you read that book by Sunders America's Cultural Cold
War or whatever. How most of this, most of the
like like slop entertainment that we have is basically just
you know, the product of intelligence agencies and all that.
So a lot of a lot of what's considered normal
it's just the product of managerialism and like deep state,
you know, social engineering. So I have a problem too
with normalcy. However, I don't think that the solution to
the problems of normalcy is to engage and to completely
like you know, lay prostrate in you know, in front
of the entire globalist mindset that basically runs you know,
the world from nineteen seventy to nineteen ninety. Like, that's
not that's not a legitimate solution. I mean the fact,
in fact, I think a lot of that has been
the cause of American degeneracy. Like I look, I look
at people in Middle America, you know, flyover America, Forgotten America,
the very people that most wanted Trump at the very
beginning that they wanted Trump because he was a proxy
of all of their discontent, All of their jobs had
been sucked to other countries, you know, all of the
things that made them who they are, that made the
towns who they were, All of those things are long
gone now. So the solution to our own frustrations is
not the very thing that came through and blew apart
the core of the American people after the after World
War Two.
Speaker 1: Well, I have three I'm gonna read the first sentence
from his next paragraph, and I have three points on it.
He says, this can be our spotneck moment. One, why
why didn't he say apollo moment? Two? Did Russia import
a bunch of people from all over the world for
the spot neck program? And three they did this on
their communism.
Speaker 3: This is actually really great because like there's this sort
of I don't know, commie myth that like the Soviets
beat us in every category to space except like getting
to the moon or whatever. And it's like, yeah, they did,
but they also produced total crap that often failed and
a lot of theirs, a couple of their astronauts died
to like they they basically sacrifice quality just have just
to do it first. So it's like, yeah, if you
if you import, like trust me on this, if you
import a bunch of Indian programmers, like, yeah, you might
get your product to market to first, but it's going
to be shit. So what do you want? Do you
want a ship product or you want a good product
that comes a bit later. Like the United States is
the nation with the lasting legacy in space exploration, not
the Soviet Union, And that's because we actually produced high quality,
high quality missions and the Soviets didn't. And it's the
same and in software engineering, when you hire the H
one b is from the subcontinent, Yeah, they'll make stuff,
and they'll make it quicker because you have one hundred
times more employees than some startup. But it's not gonna
be good. It's gonna be garbage.
Speaker 1: Let me keep going here, He says, this can be
our Sputnik moment. We've awakened from slumber before, and we
can do it again. Trump's selection hopefully marks the beginning
of a new golden era in America, but only if
our culture fully wakes up. Are our culture a culture
that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy, excellence over mediocrity,
nerdiness over conformity, hard work over laziness? Is that? What
is that? What our culture is that? What the American heritage,
American culture is all about.
Speaker 2: I think those are comported, not the nerdiness thing.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's just that's that's silly, like like
a lot of a lot of the American greatness was
you know, if I could say it like this, you know,
blood and iron, like a lot of American greatness was
was was jockish, It was not nerdiness. Right Like the wise,
the wise rule, the wise ruling elite needs to be
full of sages, people with good decision making skills and
political judgment, not a bunch of technocrats. So I definitely
want to push back on that. However, yes, we do
need a sense of dynamism and vitality of this country.
I totally agree with that, But none of that has
to do with in fact, the engineers, the engineers that
are coming in, none of them have this sense of
American How why would they have a sense of American greatness?
Like one of the things that American needs right now
is to re establish like you know, a lot of them,
Like I think about someone like Teddy Roosevelt. Okay, so
Teddy Roosevelt I think was in many ways like disastrous
and his progressivism, but he had this mentality of like
American America, I sort of had a mandate in the world,
and we were that we were the we were the
achievement of a thousand years of Western like like human development.
That's what That's what Americans need. They need to see
themselves as participating in a great historical chain like chain
of people, chain of events, chain of nations. Like that's
what the American people need, that sense that that strenuous
life to overcome the odds with with sort of a
masculine fortitude, not a bunch of nerdy engineers who don't
care about this country, who don't care about Andrew Jackson
and George Washington and Paul Bunyan. They have no interest
in the vitalist recovery and renewal of American greatness. So
none of the things that he's talking about in terms
of what America needs to do as a culture to
wake up, has absolutely anything to do with anyone we
could possibly import from the third world.
Speaker 3: Well, and also going with this, you know space example,
Mission space example. Again, it's like Neil Armstrong wasn't a nerd,
you know, he was more of the jock archetype and this,
you know this, this just reveals like he's just a
butt hurt nerd who got bullied bullied in high school.
I mean, I know for my part in like ap
classes and stuff when I was back in high school,
is that like fifty percent of the students in there
were jocks and cheerleaders. Like those people actually tend to
perform really well in life. And this stupid Reddit nerd
worship is a lot of the reason we're in the
situation we're in now, because these people are social outcasts,
some lack of self respect. There's also this there's this
good tweet from a Nightmare vision that kind of ties
into this, where he said, uh, there's this convergent convergence
of boomer conservative work worship and leftist anti white pearl resentment,
where underachieving whites are so offensive that they should all
be replaced, but for some reason, it never matters that
the people are people replacing them from countries where everyone
is a little bit cannibal rapist lives in open sewage,
which is just way worse than being lazy. But yeah,
it's like there's this weird there's this weird worship of
just working really hard and if you're if you don't
work really hard or whatever, you're like a bad person
and you're just lazy and you deserve to lose. It's like,
why do we have to worship like endless toil. It
doesn't make any sense. It's like, yeah, we're going to toil,
but we It's not like that's like the highest achievement
of life is just to be this like freaking insectoid
bug man who just who does nothing but labor as
hard as he possibly can, twenty four hours a day.
And that's like that's good if you do that, that's
your mortal value is like how much labor output you have.
That's the way these people think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, I mean that's that's a product of the
technocratic mind right where. I mean, that's what that's what
the people are. They are basically just tools. They're cogs
in the machine. They have to work as hard as
they can because that's what helps us beat China.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the all you have to do is look at uh,
look at some of the people who who agree, like
Eric Weinstein, you know, just retweeting this tweet and say
I love this. Of course he does. I mean, it's
all the it's all the nerds who love this, and
what are they What is the job of a nerd.
It's to solve a problem, and it doesn't matter how
the problem is solved. So if you need to bring
in infinity jeets that to solve the problem, that's the
way the problem gets solved. There's no consideration for the
fact that there are people here who can do the
who can do the job, they've just been shut out
of the job.
Speaker 3: It's there's there's also this this ties into this sort
of reference to neo conservatism earlier. There's like this red
meat thrown in of China. And this is another thing
that like people try to make the Trump election about,
is China, Like we have to outcompete China. There are
a great civilizational enemy, and we have to do anything
possible to have bigger economy. Uh we need more economies
than China has. But people don't care about this and like, okay,
well let's just double down on that. If China is
such a big problem, let's just blow them up. We
can do that. Let's just do that, Like why why not,
mister Ramaswami, we can't just like in nuke them. If
that's our big enemy, let's just wipe them out and
then look at that. We don't have to we don't
have to import all the all the engineers because uh,
well now we have all the engineers on the planet.
Like seriously, if you just follow their own retard neocom
logic to its logical conclusion, it's like, well that's where
you go, right, Like why why go this weird like
roundabout way when we can just like go to war
with them right now and wipe out their society if
China is such a big problem. But he's the one
who said it.
Speaker 1: M then Trump the other day, did you hear this
one from Trump? He talked about a G two. It
would be the United States and China and that's it.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing I do love about Trump is
he's willing to talk to anybody. He's willing to negotiate.
You know, this isn't negotiation. His you know, his his
cutout here is not negotiating. He's saying, it's either going
to be this way or China is going to own
our lunch.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 1: No, this isn't there's not only two choices here. Then
he finishes out by saying, that's the work we have
cut out cut out for us, rather than wallowing in
victimhood and just wishing or legislating alternative hiring practices into existence.
I'm confident we can do it, and that he puts
two American flags there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm confident that and his engineers are so great
that they accidentally create new viruses and release them on
the planet. Like that's how awesome China is is they
create global plagues because they're scientists are just so good,
and so we better have better scientists than they do.
That doesn't make any sense, Like what is China doing
that we need to out compete so badly with? Like
their rockets fail? Uh, Like I can't think of anything
China is known for other than making hordes of cheap
crap uh that are worse than all of the American
and European counterparts. Like what exactly they can't ever explain it.
None of this has explained. What is it that China
is doing or will do that's going to defeat us
if we don't just have more because we're never going
to have more manpower than China has. That's not the point.
The way we beat China is with superior quality and creativity,
and we do that well with our own people. We don't.
It's foreigners who subverted that in the first place.
Speaker 1: It's so.
Speaker 3: Fucking retarded.
Speaker 2: No, I totally agree with that.
Speaker 4: I think that the so called threat of China is
just it's it's so overblown. There's there's no there's no
threat to America from China. Like the only the only threat,
the only threat that China poses is to technocrashs that
want to dominate, you know, the world of innovation, and
it's it's very self conceited. And you know, America itself
can do very well economically. In fact, like the whole
immigration thing is a massive asset suck on the American people,
Like the whole thing is just a giant leech and
there's actually there's actually no economic productivity in net because
due to immigration itself. So the whole Chinas thing is
a complete it's basically a neocon adjacent argument and it
has no place on a true American rate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, you look at some of
the comments here, I mean, freaking cat turd of all people, goes,
do I really need to start listing American inventors? And
what the world wouldn't have wouldn't have without us? Sernovitch
talking about the woodstock generation managed to build out aerospace
the one before went to the Moon and Oran, I mean,
of course, orin comes in and goes. Turns out the
quote unquote waste that Doge wants it to cut from
America was Americans.
Speaker 2: Or as a master.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is this is not a it goes.
It goes back to looking at America and looking at
the nation, which is the people as economic units, and
considering this to be an economic zone. Now, when I
heard certain tech guys who are supporting Trump say, you know,
we don't want China to win the AI Wars. You know,
we don't want China to become you know, to go
past us on AI. I was like, yeah, okay, that
sounds great, Yeah, let's do that. Well, does that mean
that we have to import the friggin you know, import
the sub subcontinents? I mean a full continence to do that.
Every engineer you have, I mean, what evidence is there
that these engineers are any good? Anyway? Ask people in
Canada what they think about the Indians that were imported
to run to work in their medical system. It turns
out out a lot of them.
Speaker 3: Every every computer programmer I've worked with, who's a pajet.
They're bad. I've worked with, I've had them come in.
You know, people. The way jeets sometimes enter like employment
is they're they're sort of hired as a group and
they have a Brahmin leader. And it actually really messes
up the corporate structure because the way the way American
companies work is people are highly incentivized based on their
individual contributions and incentivized to take responsibility and accountability for
their actions. And it's literally the opposite with subcontinentals is
that they they're never creative. They only do exactly what
they're tasked with doing. In the most like literal interpretation possible,
so that they're never actually responsible for any decisions. They're
just doing what they're being told. And you also can't
interface with the lower parts of the cast, so like
an entire team will be brought in and normally you
would go like talk to another programmer who is you know,
at your level in the hierarchy directly about some problem,
but their brahmin will intercept you and prevent you from
actually talking to your coworkers to solve problems. Like they
become they're literally the middle manager between their army of guys,
and those guys can never be gotten rid of individually
because they come as this package unit behind this brahmin.
Like this is how it works. It completely ruins the
corporate hierarchy. It destroys morale, and they don't produce good
results anyway. It's I could tell all those stories about
in college, Like when I was in college for computer science,
there were multiple groups of jeets in the computer science
program and they would openly cheat on their exams, and
eventually this was brought to the professor who was aware
of it, and you know, at some point point he
just announced that you know, has been brought to my
attention that you know, cheating is happening on the exams, Basically,
drop the class and you won't be reported. And then
the jets stopped showing up the next day. It's like,
all of the interactions I've ever had with these people
throughout my college experience and career is entirely negative. I
would never ever ever want to associate these we with
these people on a professional level. It's god awful, and
you you really cannot comprehend how bad it is and
how demoralizing it is until you've been forced to work
with these people by your bosses.
Speaker 1: So CJ shared this tweet, this retweet, it's like Eugipius
retweeted Vivek and said fuck you. In all my years
as a professor in America, I saw nothing but ruthlessly determined,
insanely dedicated young white young men facing unreasonable scrutiny and
racial harassment from diversity gatekeepers and similar clowns. This is
what we you know, what we were saying before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is the thing.
Speaker 4: Like there's this myth in America that Americans are just,
for no reason at all, lethargic, and they can't they
can't do the things that VIVEC expects of them. It's
like we have been on the receiving end of an
entire administrative apparatus aimed at pushing down heritage Americans and
lifting up, you know, whomever else wants to make, you know,
a claim of oppression. Right, that's what that's what The
entire Civil Rights Act basically built this infrastructure around that
specific thing, and it ended up in the late nineteen
nineties and early two thousands being this institutionalized. And look,
this this isn't just us like airing like random grievances.
This is very well documented by people like Jeremy carl
in his in his book on you know, anti white
racism or whatever. This is very factual, it's very obvious,
and it's very widespread. This is what the American generations
coming after the nineteen sixties have basically been dealing with.
And and so do you have this guy, this billionaire
guy who has no like rooted connection to the American
way of life coming in and basically just saying, look,
you guys aren't up to snuff. We're gonna need to
do this in order to compete with China. There's absolutely
no there's actually there's no connection between you know, Vivek's
agenda and he's not even you know, thinking in terms
of what has actually happened in the last half century.
Speaker 1: There's a comment under Eugippius that I think is worth
it noticing incorporated says great name, says be me tech
lead of all male team. Vacancye appears register it with
ar received nine or ten candidates CVS. That's curriculum vitas.
It's basically the British version what they call a resume.
In Britain. All women required to pick four for interview.
None were qualified, company hired too anyway. One was a
fifty year old woman who never worked in the industry.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if you want to get into programming,
you basically have to pretend to be gay, like either
literally or you know, in a more reddit sense. It's
it's unbelievable. This is why I tell people not to
go into computer programming anymore, because it's basically impossible to
get a job, no matter how good you are, if
you're if you're a white man. And I've even been
in this position to a kind of that Eugippius is describing,
like when I when I tutored people professionally, like I
was made to drag people through the department's programs who
had no business being there. One of the guys I
had to tutor was literally a tarted black guy, Like
he was literally mentally retarded, and it was actually cruel
for him to even be in the program. But there
were people like me who were paid to drag these
people through the programs, including women, to meet diversity quotas,
I guess, because there's there's no reason they should have
been there in the first place, and this time is
wasted on these people instead of being spent on the
people who are actually going to you know, make it
through the system and be competent people. You know. So
there's there's thousands of hundreds of thousands of people getting
degrees or have no business getting those degrees because they're
they're just sort of shuttled through the program so that
they can be a statistic for the university.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 4: I actually have a friend who is an engineer at
a big corporation in California. Well, he actually didn't work
there anymore, so I can say it was Apple, but
he basically was on this you know, core part of
a specific engineering project and he he recognized very quickly
that there were certain you know, members of his team
that he's simply as a manager, was not allowed to criticize.
He would get you know, reprimanded for criticizing these people
because they were diversity hires, and that was literally the point.
And a lot of them, like some of them were Indian,
you know, others were of other races. But but the
point is that like he, you know, he was a
you know, a white, a white guy, and he was
the only race that there was no there was no
culture of criticism around, you know, criticizing him, complaining about him,
you know, reporting him to the hr lady. But all
the other races, of course, were uplifted. Like that's that's
literally the point of of like this like civil rights
administration culture that was created in the post nineteen sixties
and and a lot of this, like you could say
that some of this was purposeful, but like you know,
who's the guy that wrote, you know, the book After
the Sixties, you know Americas in's the sixties. It's a
great book on the post war you know, economic administrative state.
But anyways, like he just points out the fact that
a lot of this was just built into the cake.
This entire culture of anti white racism was sort of
this natural and organic development. And yes, we sit here
in twenty twenty four on the long end of a
very bad trajectory that is uniquely harmed heritage Americans, you know,
basically white America. That's that's literally been the consequence of
this generation, and everybody sees it. And it's the reason
why this is a big fight is there's only we're
only now the first generation in many, many decades that's
willing as a group to come together and actually say
the Emperor has no clothes. This is all of farce.
The entire thing is meant to liquidate white America, and
we're sick of it. And Vivek, I think, and Elon
are probably very surprised by the hostility that they're facing.
And I think, I don't know if you said it
or someone else said it, that Elon's already starting to
back off a little bit and backpedal, which is good, Like,
we need to hold their feet to the fire because
this is completely unacceptable and this is not the mandate
that was given to the Trump administration.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and right before he backpedaled, musk can a tweet
about you know, this is like the biggest Dunning Kruger
effect moment ever on Twitter, and it's not. It's like,
the problem is all these people just want data and
big statistics, but the problem is all the data on
how much white men had been suppressed, especially in engineering,
it doesn't exist because the data has been made basically
illegal to collect, so it's not there. It's all just heuristics.
It's all stories like I've told on Twitter. But everyone
who actually works among this problem knows the real score here.
And this just goes to show that people like Vivec
and Musk don't actually have any clue about how engineering
teams actually operate. They're either being dishonest or they're being
fed bad data by people they trust who are just
feeding them bullshit information. Because everyone who works in engineering
knows what is happening and how it works, there's no
data on it. But that's just too bad, nerds like
you're not going to get data, You're just gonna get
people telling you what's going on, like I am and
other people are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is actually a really good point too, like
the idea that they could be lied to like there's nothing,
there's nothing fancy or magical about engineering. I mean a
lot of it's actually just very logical. And so any
competent you know, American like you know, heritage American type
that specializes in this field could basically do this work
and probably within a couple of years train an entire
team of people. If a corporation wanted to, you know,
have some sort of initiation like initiative where you know,
instead of going to college, you could basically the corporation
would train you.
Speaker 2: You could get you know.
Speaker 4: Hundreds thousands of American engineers that could do a very
good job because a lot of it's just logical, like
like there's nothing special or unique about it. You don't
need like an Indian mind to figure this stuff out.
Like this is something that corporations, if they cared, could do.
But instead, you know, what's the answer replaces him?
Speaker 1: Well, I thought we should finish on this, and it's
something that I'm I know Charlie brought up. You may
have already brought it up, CJ. There are there are
gonna be people who say that, you know, people who
are on our side, quote unquote, that this is what
we voted for. You guys pushed to vote for Trump,
and this is this is your fault. You knew this
was going to happen. We told you this was gonna happen,
and you didn't listen to us and you and you
pushed for Trump. So this is all your fault. And
you know, why are you guys even talking about this?
This is what you voted for.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought this up because I wanted to
bring this up. Everyone all of us know Trump and
Musk are not like our guys or something. We're not
going to go to Wold and them. They can serve
our interests or they cannot. During the camp, it was
obvious which candidate was more in our interests. During the
election season, it was also obvious that everyone, everyone who
knows anything about the tech brows as they're called, knows
that Musk support of Trump and Ramaswami being in there
as well. We all knew that there was a certain
ethnic interest behind Musk, right. We all knew that there
would necessarily be Hindu interests who were going to look
for a slice of the cake after Trump won the election,
So it's not like this is unexpected. What's surprising is
that on Christmas they're deciding to show their hand on
this really early. Maybe it's low impulse control, I don't know,
but we all knew that this was going to happen.
No one was under the illusion that, you know, mus
Musk was tweeting about this stuff all the time. It's
not like this is brand new, it's it's coming to
a head in this particular moment because specifically of what
Ramaswami said. But the idea that we were like tricked
or we were like stupid for voting for Trump because
oh look you got diluted, it's like, no, we all
knew that this was part of the people backing him,
That there was this ethnic interest behind the Musk faction
or the Peter Teel faction. Maybe hard to disambiguit those,
but because of the way that feels works, there's going
to be a bunch of Indians there and they want
their slice of the pie. Now is what we have
to do is tell them, no, you know, you don't
get a slice of the pie just because this one
you know, this one guy in tech Musk like allied
with Trump. Therefore, like you can just replace white people
with Indians, Like, no, it doesn't work that way. Sorry,
we knew this was going to happen, and we knew
we'd have to respond to it, and it happens that
it's sooner ratherland Leader, which is actually better. I'm perfectly
happy that these guys are showing their hand now rather
than later. So yeah, I think that whole take, like
how like we got tricked or something, is just delusional
because we didn't. It's just we didn't talk about this
constantly because it would be counterproductive to talk about this
when you're trying to When you want Trump to win
the election, you don't sit there and counter signal him
like a fucking moron. When whoever, it's not Joe Biden
or Kamala Harris, whoever was running against Trump, we knew
we did not want that for us in power for sure,
at least, like CJ said earlier, at least with the
administration that's coming in, it's opened up the space for
this discussion to even happen. This would be impossible in
the counterfactual system where Trump did not win. And you
also noticed this is happening entirely among Trump's surrogates for
now and not with Trump himself, which is good. We
want to we need to defeat this now here before
it becomes policy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I totally agree. I'm also glad that you
brought it up. The thing is is everybody recognizes that
Donald Trump is actually, with the possible exception of Obama,
the most socially progressive president in American history. Like he's
a he's a New York real estate mogul, he's a cosmopolitan,
he has like zero impulse. That's that could be considered
traditionally right wing.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: That's not the point of Trump, right, The point of Trump.
Nobody thinks that he's like, you know, like a Franco
or something like that. The whole point of Trump is
to allow us access. Access is very important. What it
does is allows us to get a voice into key
aspects of the policy initiatives, like when you have people
like Tom Homan, who is going to be doing very
good border initiatives like these are the things that we wanted.
It's not like this is surprising to us. We wanted
to have this debate. We wanted to have this debate
when people with access to us are actually there in power.
In fact, after the whole thing blew up yesterday, David
Sachs and some other people were complaining about the possibility
of Stephen Miller basically preventing progress from being made on
the h one b uh you know, uh, you know,
policy loophole or whatever. They were saying that that Stephen
Miller is someone that they don't think they can work
with in order to do what Vivek wants done when
it comes to like Indian immigration. And so that's actually
a good thing. The fact that these guys are complaining
because people who are even Stephen Miller is not all
the way what we want him to be, but he's
somewhere that they are frustrated with because he's too further
right and he's going to be a little bit more
critical of the immigration stuff. So these are these are
very good things that we need to recognize as opportunities
for us. That's what the Trump administration represents, its access.
It's the fact that we get to have this debate.
It's the fact that the whoever was behind Harris and
whatever agenda that they had, that's no longer on the table.
What is on the table is a fight, and I
love the fact that we actually can have that fight.
I love the fact that we actually have the opportunity
to punch proverbial punch the VEC and Elon right on
their own website. I love that that's what gives us momentum,
and that's what gives us the energy to keep pushing
the Overton window in the direction it needs to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to think that we didn't know this was going,
that it was going to come to this, and to
basically here's what it is. If you're about perfection, where
it's like, well, I'm not going to take either side
because neither side is perfect. I'm going to sit over
here in my box and I'm just going to criticize
everyone else because I know that I'm perfect. Well you're not.
You have nothing to say. You're no different than the
libertarians who are just like, just end the state, bro.
If there's a problem, if there's a problem with something
in government, just then the state. Get rid of the government.
I mean, you're literally no different than them. You're just
you know, you understand and culture, you understand race, things
like that. But if that's the way you act, you
have to be able to look and say, okay, where
would we be better off? Would we be better off? You know, Okay,
you don't want one hundred and sixty million Indians. We don't.
We don't either, But you're going to vote for an Indian.
What are you talking about? Do you understand that accelerationism
just doesn't work. It may work in a different society.
It may work in a more shitty society that would
bring it, that would bring things down and they would
be forced to rebuild or forced to ask for help.
But that's not going to work here. It's too big,
it's too decent, the power is too decentralized. What we're
looking at here is we're looking at incrementalism and who
can we work with. It has already been proven that
Elon Musk has well. First of all, he has a
president's here. He hangs out at mar Lago. I mean,
it seems like they're very good friends. But also he
looks at what the what what the public is saying
to him, and he listens. I mean, that's why he's
backing down. That's why he's talking. He's gone from he's
talking about, oh, we just need point one percent or
I mean, you're not going to get that with the
regime that was behind Biden, that's been behind that's basically
been in charge for the last eighty years at least
here you have a chance to have something different, and
you have a chance to even be able to Yeah.
I saw somebody woes put out a great tweet today,
great tweet thread talking about exactly what's happening right now,
and the responses were, well, you don't have any power,
you don't have No, you don't you don't have a
voice to say anything you No one is listening to
you because you're a fucking idiot who is calling everybody
a jew online who disagrees with you. You can call
it like heritage American. Oh you're a Jew. No one's
listening to you. Okay, but I know for a fact
that they listen to us. I mean they follow us
on Twitter. I know that they listen to our podcast
It was like proven that Tucker Carlson when he was
on Fox and still now, his producers were listening to
our podcasts and we would hear our words repeated. Okay,
that's not happening with Harris and Biden.
Speaker 2: Yes exactly, So you know, fuck off.
Speaker 1: We know more than you. I'm sorry, I hate to
sound that way, but we know more than you. And
as a matter of fact, here's something go look at
the people go look at the tech people. I'm not
going to name anybody, and I don't want anyone to
name anybody. Go look at the tech people online right
now who are countering. There are some countering this. There
are people on the right countering this, And look at
the ones who are staying silent, and ask yourself, do
you have friends out there? Because not every tech guy
out there is for this, and some of them are
spending a lot of time at mar A Lago.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I totally agree, and like in terms of strategy, like.
Speaker 4: You know, like people, there are people who are you know,
who have different framing about these problems than I do.
Speaker 2: And we all have a role to play.
Speaker 4: And the idea that we all have to be like
Juice Burgging, I think is a little bit like silly.
Like these we have an opportunity to be voices that basically,
you know, find their way up into the people that
are actually shaping policy. Like I remember last year when
Tucker Carlson on his show used the phrase heritage Americans
several times, like if I had been you know, framing
my my arguments differently, that may not have ever made
it to his us. This is how you shift the
overton window. You have to argue in ways that basically
build bridges that are safe for the you know, normal American.
This is how you, like quote unquote radicalize them is
you make them aware of of what the actual problems
are in words and phrases that they can actually grapple
with and understand.
Speaker 1: Got anything, Charlie, I might have an Internet is shuit
happening again?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: I was, Oh, okay, I.
Speaker 3: Was just looking at the latest stuff on on Twitter.
Speaker 1: But how's everything looking? What are the what are the
responses looking like? What are the reactions looking like?
Speaker 3: Well, I saw that must Musk has kind of just
dropped it. He hasn't tweeted about this in the last
couple of hours. But also this shouldn't go away. I
guess the last thing I could say on the areas
we just discussed is like, I knew this this was coming.
We have not been surprised by this happening. And I'm
I'm not like but heard or mad about it. I'm
happy that this is actually happening now rather than later.
It's better that that this is actually put on the
table right now and at Musk and Trump understand the
score and where his base is at before the administration
even comes in, so we have we can't let this
disappear either. When when you're when this is a problem
some people in the right half, when you're when you're
trying to discipline your own side, when they step out
of line, you you don't just like break alliances and
completely throw them under the boss or something when they
step out of line. But you do have to vigorously
and with the appropriate I don't know gentleness in some cases,
like I'm thinking here in regard to like a tweet
I saw Tom Woods put out on this subject, like
Tom Woods needs to be corrected for being on the
wrong side of this issue. But when you do that,
you know, I regard Tom Woods as a friend. Actually
Pete and I both met him, I think at the
same conference the first time. Like I like Tom Woods,
but people need to be corrected. He needs to be corrected.
In this case, you can do that gently, but it
has to be done. In other cases it can be
done more aggressively, like with Ramaswami. I'm totally fine being
really really hard on him. But you also can't just
break alliances with people or have like a total freak
out or something. Anytime something like this happens, this is expected.
It can be dealt with aggressively, but in a reasoned
and calm state of mind.
Speaker 2: No, I totally agree with you.
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, and Tom is you know, ally he may
not be as hard rights as he needs to be
in the present moment, but he took the right side
on James Lindsay, you know, and he's taken the right
side on a lot of things recently. And so but yeah,
people like that need to be pushed a little bit,
and they are definitely allies. But people like Elon, you know,
they actually get a little bit fearful. I think of
mass discontent and so you you actually can bully him
on his own platform, and that's a very healthy thing
to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think that people just need to realize that there's
no If this was the Harris administration incoming Harris administration,
there apparatchicks doing the same thing. There'd be no conversation,
there'd be no back and forth. There's nothing there. And
now we have that chance. People can call that cope
all they want. I have a tendency to believe that
people who use the term cope, I mean, they're really
not that smart. I mean I use it. I use
it to be funny and against my enemies. I don't
use that against people I like. I don't use that
against people who are on you know, who are supposed
to be on my side, unless they're real fucking assholes.
But this is what it is. This is the real world.
You can sit there and be I mean, I I
swear it. When I started really shifting out of libertarianism
and I started hanging out with more people who you know, had,
you know, thought like Charlie, Charlie came on my show
and really changed my thinking with just a couple of
sentences that he said, and you know, I realized that,
you know, he is somebody who has a nuanced way
of thinking. And then when I started listening to more
people over on this side, I was realizing, Oh, they're
really no different than libertarians. And the fact that they're expecting,
like the perfect to happen tomorrow, and if the perfect
isn't going to happen tomorrow, they're just going to sit
in their box and snipe it. People who may be
trying to make things happen. I mean, I'm sure there
are people who are like, well, the old Glory Club,
you know, what, Oh, you can invite us to your
events so we can dox ourselves. No, if that's your attitude,
we don't want you. When have we ever been Jehovah's
witnesses and there have been people we've turned you know,
we've told sorry, you can't join it this time. That's
the attitude you have to have, because not everybody is
going to be helpful in the road going forward. And really,
I mean I've said this before, I'll say it again.
Unfuck yourself, and unfuck the way you think and the
way you approach the world and the way you approach
life and the way you approach politics or you know,
you're you're just not going to be taken seriously by
people who can actually get things done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of times they don't want to
get things done because their brand relies on them to
be purely spiraling.
Speaker 3: And kind of relate it to this in the article
I put out the other day for the Old Flory Club,
I think you can Want Friday. I wanted to touch
on this and actually forgot, But this sort of gets
into policing what other people are doing on the rate,
you know, and the position I've come to is like
I and Pete very much exemplifies this as like, I
don't care what other people are doing. I don't care
about policing other factions of the right, even if I
disagree with like their particular tactics. The only time I'm
going to complain about what some other group is doing
is if they're like actively subverting or attacking me really
or by people. And I used, you know, I made
the point in that article about how like if you
use the term like dissonant, right, for example, when I
hear people use that term, what I hear is like
I there's no group of people that I have loyalty
to that I belong to, so I'm just gonna associate
with this vague group. It's like, my group is not
limited to, but it's mostly people in the Old Glory
Club and some of my other friends. And those are
the people that I'll correct privately if need to, or
accept corrections from. And those are the people who I
care about in terms of like what they're doing. So
when people like I side of my sphere, you know,
if they come at us and be like, oh, well,
you shouldn't have done this or you shouldn't have done that.
In regard to like supporting Trump or Musk or whatever.
It's like, why are you telling me what to do?
Like you're not part of my thing just because you
you were like, well I'm dissident, right or whatever. It's
like people should be you should find a group that
you actually belong to. This isn't just some vague concept,
and those are the people that you should care about
in terms of what they're actually doing and saying, not
just like random people on the internet. So that's kind
of a corollary of some of what you touched on.
There have people like coming at us for like supporting
Trump or Musk or whatever. It's like, it's not your business.
You know, it's not your business what I'm doing. And
it's not my business to go around policing other random
people on the right either, unless they're you know, very
directly undermining me.
Speaker 1: All Right, CJ, what do you have to promote.
Speaker 2: Just the Twitter?
Speaker 4: I guess is fine, Contrammordar, We're doing we're doing very
exciting things in Middle Tennessee, as many of your audience
probably has seen. You know, we got we got in
a little bit of a storm, but you know, be watching.
I think that I think that people are going to be,
you know, pleasantly energized by by some of the things
that we have going on. So at contramortars where you
can you know, stay up to speed.
Speaker 3: Charlie, Well, if you go to the old Glory Club
dot com, especially to slash map, you can see the
map now of where our chapters are, so you can
click on your state and see if there's something in
the state, and if you find a chapter in your state,
there should be contact infill on all their pages. Map
is fairly rudimentary for now because unfortunately I'm just a
humble white man and not a pajeet. But you know,
I'll be continuing to add features to that, so hopefully
people find that useful in terms of farty people to
associate with.
Speaker 1: It's a very easy website to use, and Charlie is
responsible for all of it and we appreciate that. Jolie.
All right, everyone, thank you and we'll see you on
the next episode. Take care,