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back to the Peking Yana Show. Got two of my

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friends here, c Jangle, what's going on? TJ?

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Speaker 2: Nothing much manhead to merry Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, me too. It was great. Good how you doing?

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Speaker 3: Oh good? I had a great Christmas. I hope you

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two had a merry Christmas as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was awesome. All right, enough of that, we

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can do that. We can talk about that later. What

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do we call them this jeet gate cheek Kate?

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Speaker 3: I like operation clip.

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Speaker 1: Operation pooper clip. Okay, So yeah, I mean, let's let's

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just jump right into this. Anyone who wants to go

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first and talk about what they've been seeing and what

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they're thinking.

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess the first question is I don't what

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was the genesis of this, Like why did why did

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all this transpire on Christmas?

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Speaker 2: And who started it?

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Speaker 3: Vvac vvac had this uh now legendary tweet complaining about

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sleepovers and going to the ball h instead of increasing

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the GDP, I'll link it on the side chat.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I mean I just I saw everybody piling on.

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I guess there was that one Who's that one guy?

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uh And then Sacks Sacks got involved and I saw

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them pushing the H one B stuff with with who's

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the guy sirium or whatever they tapped to do the

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AI stuff. And then that's that's the first time I

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saw it was with all that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's pull this up here, let me share it

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real quick, is all right, So I guess I'll read it.

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This is from First Thing Morning, First Thing in the morning,

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ten ten o'clock, ten am today. The reason top tech

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companies often hire foreign born and first generation engineers over

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native and he quotes natives Americans isn't because of an

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innate American, I q to fit the deficit a lazy

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and wrong explanation. A key part of it comes down

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to the C word culture. Tough questions demand tough answers,

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and if we're really serious about fixing the problem, we

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have to confront the truth. Our American culture has venerated

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mediocrity over excellence for way too long, at least since

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the nineties and likely longer. That doesn't start in college,

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it starts young. Anyone want to start there?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I can start.

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Speaker 4: I mean, like, you know, my general thing is that

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because I saw NICKI Haley pushing back against this, but

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I think that there is a major problem in the

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labor force in America, and I think that the quality

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stock of Americans is something that we do need to

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talk about. And I just I'm very I'm sick of

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all of these like you know, globalist types, you know,

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tech types, whatever you want to call them, you know,

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post American, post national types, basically talking talking in terms

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of solving these problems by importing people, by replacing the

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Native American, you know, native American in the classic heritage

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American sense, replacing them with the third world. That is

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not a legitimate solution. And the right wing in America,

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anybody that cares about this country needs to put it

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into it immediately. This is not how you solve problems

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as a nation. You don't just replace the thing that

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has the problem. This is like, this is the total

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mentality of Silicon Valley. Whenever there's a hardware that needs

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to be replaced, you just boot it to the side

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and create something new. And I don't think that's something

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that we can have going forward. And it's certainly not

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anything that's going to help America in the long term.

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Speaker 3: No, it's literally the same argument when it boils down

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to it, that we need to import low skilled labor

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from South America because they'll do the jobs. American won't.

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Americans won't. He's just saying, now we need Indians because

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they'll do the job Americans won't. I mean, he doesn't

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where these so called high skilled immigrants are going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The you know what he doesn't talk about here

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is well, let's let let's continue here. A culture that

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celebrates the promo queen over the math Olympiad champ or

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the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the best engineers. Okay,

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when we there was a time when when was the

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last time a jock or the prom queen wasn't you know,

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like showcased. And still we did really well, and we

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had white engineers and the guys with pocket protectors building

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jets doing all sorts of things. But really what happened?

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Speaker 1: So this is bullshit right here. It's total fucking bullshit. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well, like the other thing is, you know he's this

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at these problems that like our national problems are very

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politically oriented, and the idea that we can ignore all

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of the side effects, the ramifications, the unintended consequences of

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just importing the best quote unquote engineers, I think is insane.

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I think it's a path that national suicide. Actually, And

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like the idea that I'm supposed to care about like

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some you know, like hyper focused you know, downstream effect

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of of our like technical production in a state of

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like civilizational and national cultural emergency is just something that

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this is why he's getting so much pushback. By the way,

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like this is the thing at the at the electoral box.

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You know, a few months ago, the woke left was

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basically defeated and the you know, the tech pros or

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the tech right and the heritage American rights sort of

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came together to defeat the woke left. But now that

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we've done that, we have this real fight on our hands.

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This is this is a war between like the postwar cosensus,

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you know, concessant consensus liberalism and the true right wing.

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That's what's happening here. And what we're trying to do

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is we're trying to pull apart at the thread. It's

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basically kept this mythos going since the nineteen sixties. This

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is all coming to fruition. And the reason why this

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is such a controversy is because the right wing is

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sick of thinking within the framework of the post war consensus.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And when these people drop these points about

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needing these engineers or whatever it's always engineers to to

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do labor, why why is this even so necessary? You know,

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Musk said that we need one hundred and sixty thousand

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and more on top of the one hundred and sixty

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thousand number someone else had named or something to do

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these jobs. What jobs can you name the jobs? What

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are the essential engineering jobs that aren't being done? The

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one hundred and sixty thousand jobs that apparently really need

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to be done. And that's why we need all these

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immigrants more garbage websites, Like what are these people doing

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are going to do that isn't being done?

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Speaker 1: Right now?

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Speaker 3: That's so essential. The essential problem is the fact that

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these people are brought in in the first place. The

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solution being proposed by Ramaswami at all to solve the

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alleged labor shortage in engineering, which doesn't even exist. Is

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what caused the problem in the first place, is you're

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out competing the native population with all these foreigners. And

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that's of course why that's why that the country is

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underperforming now. It's because the natives are actually being competed

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out and they would do even better at the job.

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Speaker 1: And I think we're waiting for starlink to catch up here,

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are you there?

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Speaker 2: Charlie engineering shortage called it.

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Speaker 1: All right, We'll come back to Charlie.

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Speaker 3: Damn it. Yeah, sorry, my internet connection failed for a second.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean I think that that's I mean,

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that's the gist of my thoughts on that initial thing.

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But by the way, and I don't know if you

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want to step back here a little bit, but all

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this didn't come about this morning like this. This actually

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broke Christmas Day with David Sachs quote tweeting, I don't

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even know how to pronounce his name, sra Ram. You know,

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some guy from India basically who's advising the Trump administration

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on AI policy. That's kind of where all this happened.

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It kind of blew up in David Sachs face by

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this thing going viral, and then today Vivek jumped in

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only twenty four hours after the case. So I saw

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all this break on Christmas Day?

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Speaker 1: Well even before that. Wasn't it a couple of days

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And yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that was before Christmas Day?

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Yeah yeah, So this is well, here, here's the obvious thing. Okay,

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let's let's take it at face value. They need one

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hundred and sixty thousand engineers, okay, and they need them

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now and they understand. Okay, you know, we may need

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to get more people educated, more Americans educated, more heritage

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Americans educated. Why do they have to come here? Everything

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can be everything's done remote. I mean, like, what is

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it one percent of the government like reports to work

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like on a regular basis. Now everybody's working remote? Why

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can't they work remote?

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly?

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Speaker 4: That's that's That's the point that I was gonna make,

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is like, like we live in twenty twenty four world.

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Do they have to move to to the other side

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of the planet in order to do their work? If Elon,

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if Elon feels like he needs to be there, to

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oversee them, or if VECT needs to be there to

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oversee them, move the Silicon Valley companies like they don't need,

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you know, ormove the oversight, like move the managers. You

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don't need to import hundreds of thousands of workers to

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California and to Texas in order to do the things

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they're building hardware. It's not like they're physically building rockets.

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you need oversight, send the oversight over to India, or

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since they're so brilliant at what they're doing, you could

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probably just get Indian engineers or Indian managers too.

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Speaker 1: And it's not only that. I mean, make an argument, okay,

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or how about some horse trading. Look, we're going to

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deport twenty million people who are here illegally. If you

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I don't want that. They all the one hundred and

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sixty thousand need to stay where they are. The twenty

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million need to go. But at least that's a fucking

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conversation instead of just being like, oh no, this is

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the way it has to be. We are not going

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They're not even talking about that. So what do you

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have another one hundred and sixty thousand people more, you know,

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more rents. The price of rent is going up, the

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every the price of everything is going up. What I

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Speaker 3: Well, that's that's why, Like I said at the beginning,

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it's always that there's no reasoning done here. It's always

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the same point, whether you're Hillary Clinton or Vivek Ramaswami.

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It's that we need these jobs done, so we have

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to import hundreds of thousands of foreigners to do with them.

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There's no explanation of what the jobs are. There's no

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explanation of what's going to happen if those jobs aren't done,

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and it's just throw out some big number. This number

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of jobs needs to be done. The only way to

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do them is to import people. So we're just going

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to do it. There's no discussion, there's no horse trading.

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mean literally, my neighbor manages people in countries almost twelve

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hours removed from him, like you do not. We no

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longer need to bring these people here if if in

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fact they are necessary. But that's what that's what should

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be done too, is explain why they are necessary. Ken

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vivek Ramaswami, name a single job of one hundred thousand

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that's so essential that we need someone for and to

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fill it? What is the job? Vivat Ramswami.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, what is that?

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Speaker 2: What is the Yeah? What is the job? Is a

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good question.

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Speaker 4: But also so like this is this is the thing

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that the you know, the the consensus liberals don't get.

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Why do we have to frame our national problems in

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terms of job in terms of these like technocratic technological innovation,

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Like is that really the end all be all of

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politics and and and the good of of you know,

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what's good for a people? Like can we even say

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that there is something about like like this. It's hard

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to even conceive of a software that's so important that

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it's more of a priority than the existential questions of

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what it means for people to be a people.

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Speaker 3: Right, whatever the job is, it doesn't even matter ultimately,

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because we'll make do with or without it. If we

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need the job, we will train our people to do it.

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And if the job is not actually essential, then it

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doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: These people talk about America and they treat America as

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just like every I saw. Devin Stack tweeted something about

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how these people think everyone on the planet is an

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American who just hasn't been hired yet. They talk about

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America winning, protecting America. Well, America is the people. It's

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not the economy. When they say America, they're talking about

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the economy of America. When we say America, we're talking

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about Americans, the native people to this land who cross

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the sea, not the numbers in the economy. That's not America.

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And that's the most war consensus is that it's just

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statistics and numbers about what your GDP is, and we

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are way past that. And these LARPing elites like Musk

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who are trying to be a man of the people

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still fundamentally doesn't grasp this that the election of Trump

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was about Americans taking back control of their country. It

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wasn't about this nonsense about high IQ immigration. It wasn't

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about the economy. That's the one thing that heavily needs

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to be pushed back on is they're always trying to

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frame Trump's victories around economy. People are not voting for

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Trump because of the economy. They're voting for Trump because

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they've lost control of their country. That is why he

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won the election. We do not care about Lyne go up.

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We care about the people.

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Speaker 4: No, I totally, I totally agree with that. Yeah, yeah, no,

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I totally agree with that. And also, like, let me

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just say too, I'm glad we're having this fight because

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there are a lot of people and I get the

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people that say don't vote for Trump because it's just

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part of the system. But this is a debate that

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we could not have had under Harris, Like we were

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accused by the left of just doing whatever the billionaire

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Peter Tiel and Elon Musk wanted. But actually it shows

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this entire situation shows that we care about who we

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are as a people much more so than we care

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about the wills of of Elan Musk. And we are

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willing to turn on them on a dime when it

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comes to who we are in our identity.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, some people I've noticed are too attached to Musk

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and feel like they have to defend Musk and Trump

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at all times, to the extent that he's connected to this.

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Musk and Trump and all these people are a means

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to an end. They are useful to our cause as

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vanguardists sometimes they have been thus far. But when they

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step out of line and go directly against us, they

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have to be disciplined and it has to be shown

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that no, we're not just going to support you unequivocally

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just because you were the most friendly toward us in

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the election. That's not how this works. I'm not going

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to sit here and defend everything Musk does and try

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and jump through hoops. Regardless of whether or not it's

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some sort of forty chast or whatever. It doesn't matter.

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The message has to be consistent. What is that line

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from that movie The Watchman, Never compromise even in the

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face of armageddon. That is the idea. There's no compromise

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to be made on this. This is the essential question

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of everything that we're working towards. Is protecting the native

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population of this land. There's simply no matter who how

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friendly these guys are. And you can discipline allies in

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a gentle way and not in a way that necessarily

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breaks the alliance, but it has to be done. There's

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no room for any sort of compromise on this position.

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Speaker 1: I think the term post war consensus is going to

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come up a lot in this discussion. I want to

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read these next three paragraphs because I think they all

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go together, and I want to make a comment on it.

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He continues, this is vivek. A culture that venerates Corey

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from Boy Meets World, or Zach and Slater over Screech

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and say by the Bell, or Stefan or over Steve

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Erkele in family matters will not produce the best engineers. Fact,

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and this is in parenthesis. I know multiple sets of

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immigrant parents in the nineties who actively limited how much

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their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because promoted mediocrity,

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and their kids went on to become wildly successful stem students.

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More movies like Whiplash, Fury, Runs of Friends, more math tutoring,

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fewer sleepovers, more weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons,

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more books, less TV, more creating, less chilling, more extracurriculars,

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less hang out at the mall. Okay, this is what

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the post war consensus sold us. It sold us that

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we were going that we were going to be deradicalized,

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that we were going to be weakened, that the the

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problem is is that there's too much of the Faustian

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spirit in I'm going to say white America, and that

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they need to be pacified. And the way that they

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were going to do this was through entertainment, through through

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multiple socially social engineering schemes of getting people to be

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become weaker. And when he says this in the parentheses

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where he's bragging about immigrant parents that came here, realize

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what he's saying. When he mentions immigrant parents in the

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who actively limited this so that their kids could become

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more powerful than Americans, they can become more important than Americans.

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That's exactly what he's saying here. He is saying, the

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economy and everything has to do with the economy is

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so important that I have no look at these look

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at what these immigrant parents did. We should be looking

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to them. They're the new leaders of the United States.

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That's exactly what he's saying, here.

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Speaker 4: No, this is this is a good conversation to have

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because the argument has never been like this neo conservative

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like fiched optimism. Like I forget her name, but the

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the super ugly lady that's married to or or dating

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Donald Trump Junior.

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Speaker 1: What was her name, Kimberly Bill Foyle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so when she stood up, she's like, the best

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is yet to come and all that.

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Speaker 2: This is the type of like neo coon optimism.

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Speaker 4: That's it's it's retarded, you know, in my opinion, we

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actually do need to face the fact that we have

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been a degenerating as a people since the end of

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the World War two. Like the idea that you know,

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America won World War two, it was you know, there's

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a lot of different things to say about that, but

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one of the things you can say, at the surface level,

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it was a it was a pyrrhic victory. We have

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lost our soul, we have lost our physical prowess, we

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have lost our nobility as a people, like we we

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lived in a state of glory as Americans, and we

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have completely lost all those things. And those are things

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worth talking about. And some of the mechanisms that caused

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our moral and our cultural collapse are the things that

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Vivec is talking about here. Nevertheless, none of those things

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justify replacing the American people. What they call for is

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a new dynamism, a new sense of investing in the

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American people, investing in heritage America as historically constituted. That's

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what we need right now. In fact, the thing that

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would help America feel pride about itself right now is

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a massive endeavor of remigration. That's the thing that will

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help repudiate the things that Vivek's complaining about here.

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Speaker 3: Right because the real solution is not what he's proposing.

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That actually exacerbates the entire problem of demoralization and driving

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our civilization further into a state of a complete inability

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to have any respect for itself. So the proposed solution

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is literally the problem. And a lot of the reason

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we're in the generated state we're in is because of

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all of this immigration in the first place. So this

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isn't the solution. This is literally the problem, and he's

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simply rephrasing the problem as a solution to try and

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sell it to people who want to keep their flour

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one ks maxed out and instead of facing the facts

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that yeah, actually, things aren't going to get better from

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here in the short term. It's not going to be

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the best that ever was under Trump. We have serious

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problems in this country, and unless we actually face the

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facts that acknowledge them, we're never going to solve them.

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What he's proposing is isn't the solution. It's the nail

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and the coffin to America. It will absolutely destroy us.

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We've already brought in millions of people in you know,

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the quote nquote low status job positions. This now he's

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talking about entirely replacing the middle class. This is classic

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high low versus middle bringing in these stem engineers directly

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competes with the middle class, which is the essential base

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of Donald Trump. Like Donald Trump's base is not some

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mythical working class or whatever. It's the middle classes, the

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people who should be leading really great lives right now

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and aren't because even though on paper, you know, they're

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making a lot of money and maybe I've bought a

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big house, they're unable to engage with the cult sure

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and the civilization the way their parents were because it's

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been completely hollowed out. And that that's why we're so mad.

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I'm one of these people, right I, by all rights

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I should have a really nice, upper middle class life

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right now, and I don't because the country has been

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ruined in yeah, you know, and ruined over the course,

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you know, since World War Two, but especially after the

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end of the Cold War, like the decline in standards,

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living standards generally, not just economically but culturally. Everything has

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dropped like a rock. And there's no there's nothing you

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can do as an individual now to to bring it back,

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no amount of money you can make to bring that back.

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It's a civilization of problem. And you know, if we

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do what Beck is proposing, we finish off the civilization.

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It's done.

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Speaker 1: I'll just ask mute out, well, mute out if you're

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not talking, all right, let me move on here, because this, uh,

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this only gets worse. Most normal American parents look skeptically

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at those kind of parents. More normal American kids views

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view those kind of kids with scorn. If you grow

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up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.

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Now close your eyes and visualize which families you knew

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in the nineties or even now, who raise our kids

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according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest,

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normalcy doesn't cut it in a hyper competitive global market

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for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does,

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we'll have our asses handed to us by China. There

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it is pure. I mean, when you have when when

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you are pushing for a free market, whenevery, whenever you

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hear anybody talking about a free market, and oh we

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need to be able to trade. Remember the first and

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most important product in a market is labor. And he

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is absolutely talking about having a hyper competitive global market

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for quote unquote technical talent. And he says, if if

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I can't find it here, which through DEI things like that,

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you're not good. They've been they've been shut out. We're

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gonna have to go. We're gonna have to go anywhere

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or else China is going to hand our ass to us,

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which is I mean, the irony of him bringing that up.

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Speaker 3: So how how many how many Indian technical laborers has

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China imported?

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Speaker 2: Right right?

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Speaker 3: Like? It just doesn't make any sense if if if

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China can can do it without do whatever it is,

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like make really good websites, I guess is the issue.

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If China can do it, then why can't we do it?

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Because if that understands. You know, he's talked about DEI.

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There's a comprehension that talent has been suppressed within the population,

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so can we if we get rid of that, then

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the problem should go away. Right, Why do we need

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all of these Indian laborers? I mean, how many how

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many high tech extremely competent engineers does China actually have?

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You know, we get some numbers on this, you know, No,

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00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:26,079
we can't, because you know, he just he just all

475
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,559
he wants is the cheapest possible labor for people who

476
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:31,160
work twenty five hours a day. They're not actually interested

477
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,079
in you know, making some great technological advancement or whatever.

478
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:38,759
It's just about pumping their stocks.

479
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I agree with that too.

480
00:28:42,559 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 4: Like, I mean, there's also this idea that like we're

481
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,759
not going to have any like national progress or we're

482
00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:51,319
not going to do well as a people.

483
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: We're not gonna you know, you know, be a.

484
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,319
Speaker 4: People if we if we don't like compete, Like the

485
00:28:56,319 --> 00:28:59,160
whole thing is just some like big sports competition.

486
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: I mean, like that's that's the thing that we're talking about.

487
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,839
Speaker 4: Is is America basically a sports team and if we

488
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,200
want to win, we basically have to stack the team.

489
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:08,880
We have to create a dream team, and so we

490
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,359
have to go all around the world looking for people.

491
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,680
We might even have to import, you know, thousands of

492
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,640
people in from China, and then we could beat you know,

493
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,440
the economic engine known as China. And it's like this

494
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:23,839
this extension of post war consensus thinking, and the only

495
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,920
way it can go from here is is in a

496
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,960
downward spiral. I mean, these are the things that cause

497
00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:33,559
the disappearance and the vanishing of peoples. Like these are

498
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,359
very this is not a joke. Like the idea that

499
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,759
we can we can just operate our country like it's

500
00:29:39,799 --> 00:29:42,880
a massive corporation that needs to compete with another massive

501
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,599
corporation is insane and it's suicidal. And I think one

502
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,440
of the things about like if the fact that he

503
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:53,119
doesn't truly understand is the meaning of the Trump phenomenon

504
00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:55,839
was actually like, I mean, I know Charlotte Mane already

505
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,759
said this, but it's not about you know, economic it's

506
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:02,200
not it's not about like inflation, it's not about the

507
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,000
price of eggs. It's not even about the price of home,

508
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,119
like a lot of us would say, like we're willing

509
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:11,680
to suffer even more stenuous economic situations. We just want

510
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,039
our country back. And that's the thing that Vivek, just

511
00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:17,960
by his very pedigree, can't actually digest. He can't actually

512
00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,079
absorb that because there is no long term meaning of

513
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:24,880
this place, going back in time compared to what heritage

514
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,440
Americans think about their country.

515
00:30:27,839 --> 00:30:32,079
Speaker 1: Well, and think about this. We know, I'm sure each

516
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,039
one of us on this call knows that if they

517
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,039
get rid of twenty, if they deport twenty to thirty million,

518
00:30:40,279 --> 00:30:44,720
most likely if you own a home or any property,

519
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,680
the value of it's going down. I know my house will.

520
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:53,720
I don't know how anybody else. I mean that will

521
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:56,519
happen because there will be a lack of a demand.

522
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,880
Prices will get I'm willing to sacrifice for that.

523
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,039
Speaker 3: Would also also shouldn't even be a sacrifice, right, Like

524
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:09,440
in my something only has a price value. I mean,

525
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,000
this is this is kind of the classic. This is

526
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,400
like from Austrian economics. It's like the value of something

527
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:18,000
is what it actually sells for. Right, So like my

528
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:21,559
property has like a theoretical value, but I'm never selling it.

529
00:31:21,799 --> 00:31:24,359
So what do I care if the quote unquote value

530
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,440
goes down? And this is a this is a whole

531
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,359
other problem that we don't need to get into. But

532
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,559
the idea it relates to the topic of the sort

533
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:37,039
of derasination because houses a home to a lot of

534
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:39,920
people after the post war consensus, is literally just like

535
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,279
another stock investment. It's not a home. It's an investment.

536
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:48,240
Your home shouldn't be primarily like the main thing you

537
00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:50,519
shouldn't think about your home, it's like how much value

538
00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:53,640
it has. It's about it's about it being a home

539
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,480
for a family and the people, your your people, right, Like,

540
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,880
so this is like a well but that that's the

541
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,079
counter argument to this position is like, well, a home

542
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,519
is not a like stock market investment. Like obviously people

543
00:32:09,559 --> 00:32:11,640
will sell their houses and that's fine, and we don't

544
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,599
want prices to drop. But if the price of your

545
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,480
home goes down, like, what's the issue. You're living in

546
00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:18,799
it now, so shouldn't it be fine.

547
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,039
Speaker 1: That was that My point in bringing it up was

548
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:27,279
just that is that you're if you're looking at your

549
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:29,920
home as something, oh, that this is just an investment

550
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,400
and when the p and when the market goes up,

551
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,279
I'll get rid of it and I'll go somewhere else.

552
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,200
It's not what I plan to do. I plan they're

553
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,119
gonna pull my body out of this place. They're gonna

554
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,119
pull my dead body out of this place. I mean

555
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,480
that it's that's not something that should be taken into

556
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,759
consideration if you consider yourself a part of the nation

557
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,119
of the people.

558
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: M yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.

559
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,119
Speaker 4: And like, I have huge problems with what is considered

560
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,359
normal see in American culture, and I think a lot

561
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,759
of it has been the product of I mean, this

562
00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:08,640
is this is Paul Gottfrey told thing that normalcy was

563
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,119
actually just a product of the managerial state. I mean,

564
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,720
if you read that book by Sunders America's Cultural Cold

565
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,319
War or whatever. How most of this, most of the

566
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,160
like like slop entertainment that we have is basically just

567
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:24,480
you know, the product of intelligence agencies and all that.

568
00:33:24,559 --> 00:33:26,920
So a lot of a lot of what's considered normal

569
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,240
it's just the product of managerialism and like deep state,

570
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,200
you know, social engineering. So I have a problem too

571
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,160
with normalcy. However, I don't think that the solution to

572
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,839
the problems of normalcy is to engage and to completely

573
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,200
like you know, lay prostrate in you know, in front

574
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:49,160
of the entire globalist mindset that basically runs you know,

575
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,960
the world from nineteen seventy to nineteen ninety. Like, that's

576
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,039
not that's not a legitimate solution. I mean the fact,

577
00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:56,880
in fact, I think a lot of that has been

578
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,599
the cause of American degeneracy. Like I look, I look

579
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,920
at people in Middle America, you know, flyover America, Forgotten America,

580
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,839
the very people that most wanted Trump at the very

581
00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,840
beginning that they wanted Trump because he was a proxy

582
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,760
of all of their discontent, All of their jobs had

583
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,440
been sucked to other countries, you know, all of the

584
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,639
things that made them who they are, that made the

585
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,400
towns who they were, All of those things are long

586
00:34:19,519 --> 00:34:24,159
gone now. So the solution to our own frustrations is

587
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:27,679
not the very thing that came through and blew apart

588
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,039
the core of the American people after the after World

589
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:31,400
War Two.

590
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,199
Speaker 1: Well, I have three I'm gonna read the first sentence

591
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:39,679
from his next paragraph, and I have three points on it.

592
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:45,440
He says, this can be our spotneck moment. One, why

593
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:51,599
why didn't he say apollo moment? Two? Did Russia import

594
00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,199
a bunch of people from all over the world for

595
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,039
the spot neck program? And three they did this on

596
00:34:58,119 --> 00:34:58,960
their communism.

597
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: This is actually really great because like there's this sort

598
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:07,880
of I don't know, commie myth that like the Soviets

599
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,679
beat us in every category to space except like getting

600
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:14,000
to the moon or whatever. And it's like, yeah, they did,

601
00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:17,360
but they also produced total crap that often failed and

602
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,440
a lot of theirs, a couple of their astronauts died

603
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,960
to like they they basically sacrifice quality just have just

604
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,519
to do it first. So it's like, yeah, if you

605
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:29,239
if you import, like trust me on this, if you

606
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,920
import a bunch of Indian programmers, like, yeah, you might

607
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,079
get your product to market to first, but it's going

608
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:36,079
to be shit. So what do you want? Do you

609
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,039
want a ship product or you want a good product

610
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:41,079
that comes a bit later. Like the United States is

611
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:45,320
the nation with the lasting legacy in space exploration, not

612
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,280
the Soviet Union, And that's because we actually produced high quality,

613
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,800
high quality missions and the Soviets didn't. And it's the

614
00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,800
same and in software engineering, when you hire the H

615
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,800
one b is from the subcontinent, Yeah, they'll make stuff,

616
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,039
and they'll make it quicker because you have one hundred

617
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:09,639
times more employees than some startup. But it's not gonna

618
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:11,239
be good. It's gonna be garbage.

619
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: Let me keep going here, He says, this can be

620
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,119
our Sputnik moment. We've awakened from slumber before, and we

621
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:23,519
can do it again. Trump's selection hopefully marks the beginning

622
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:26,159
of a new golden era in America, but only if

623
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:31,199
our culture fully wakes up. Are our culture a culture

624
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,760
that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy, excellence over mediocrity,

625
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:41,920
nerdiness over conformity, hard work over laziness? Is that? What

626
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,599
is that? What our culture is that? What the American heritage,

627
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:46,960
American culture is all about.

628
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,199
Speaker 2: I think those are comported, not the nerdiness thing.

629
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 4: I mean, that's that's just that's that's silly, like like

630
00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:55,119
a lot of a lot of the American greatness was

631
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,280
you know, if I could say it like this, you know,

632
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,840
blood and iron, like a lot of American greatness was

633
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,079
was was jockish, It was not nerdiness. Right Like the wise,

634
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,000
the wise rule, the wise ruling elite needs to be

635
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,360
full of sages, people with good decision making skills and

636
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,840
political judgment, not a bunch of technocrats. So I definitely

637
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,119
want to push back on that. However, yes, we do

638
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,239
need a sense of dynamism and vitality of this country.

639
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:23,920
I totally agree with that, But none of that has

640
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:27,280
to do with in fact, the engineers, the engineers that

641
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,800
are coming in, none of them have this sense of

642
00:37:32,199 --> 00:37:35,199
American How why would they have a sense of American greatness?

643
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,760
Like one of the things that American needs right now

644
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,840
is to re establish like you know, a lot of them,

645
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,079
Like I think about someone like Teddy Roosevelt. Okay, so

646
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,400
Teddy Roosevelt I think was in many ways like disastrous

647
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,840
and his progressivism, but he had this mentality of like

648
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:53,199
American America, I sort of had a mandate in the world,

649
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,239
and we were that we were the we were the

650
00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,000
achievement of a thousand years of Western like like human development.

651
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,679
That's what That's what Americans need. They need to see

652
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,800
themselves as participating in a great historical chain like chain

653
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,519
of people, chain of events, chain of nations. Like that's

654
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:14,639
what the American people need, that sense that that strenuous

655
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,159
life to overcome the odds with with sort of a

656
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:20,599
masculine fortitude, not a bunch of nerdy engineers who don't

657
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:24,039
care about this country, who don't care about Andrew Jackson

658
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:27,440
and George Washington and Paul Bunyan. They have no interest

659
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,559
in the vitalist recovery and renewal of American greatness. So

660
00:38:33,199 --> 00:38:35,039
none of the things that he's talking about in terms

661
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,079
of what America needs to do as a culture to

662
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,840
wake up, has absolutely anything to do with anyone we

663
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,719
could possibly import from the third world.

664
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,679
Speaker 3: Well, and also going with this, you know space example,

665
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,079
Mission space example. Again, it's like Neil Armstrong wasn't a nerd,

666
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:56,360
you know, he was more of the jock archetype and this,

667
00:38:57,079 --> 00:39:00,559
you know this, this just reveals like he's just a

668
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:03,400
butt hurt nerd who got bullied bullied in high school.

669
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,599
I mean, I know for my part in like ap

670
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,000
classes and stuff when I was back in high school,

671
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:10,400
is that like fifty percent of the students in there

672
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,480
were jocks and cheerleaders. Like those people actually tend to

673
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,760
perform really well in life. And this stupid Reddit nerd

674
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,480
worship is a lot of the reason we're in the

675
00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:23,360
situation we're in now, because these people are social outcasts,

676
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:27,760
some lack of self respect. There's also this there's this

677
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,199
good tweet from a Nightmare vision that kind of ties

678
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:33,920
into this, where he said, uh, there's this convergent convergence

679
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,360
of boomer conservative work worship and leftist anti white pearl resentment,

680
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,440
where underachieving whites are so offensive that they should all

681
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,039
be replaced, but for some reason, it never matters that

682
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,760
the people are people replacing them from countries where everyone

683
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,960
is a little bit cannibal rapist lives in open sewage,

684
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,559
which is just way worse than being lazy. But yeah,

685
00:39:54,599 --> 00:39:58,679
it's like there's this weird there's this weird worship of

686
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,400
just working really hard and if you're if you don't

687
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,320
work really hard or whatever, you're like a bad person

688
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:06,920
and you're just lazy and you deserve to lose. It's like,

689
00:40:07,199 --> 00:40:10,440
why do we have to worship like endless toil. It

690
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,400
doesn't make any sense. It's like, yeah, we're going to toil,

691
00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:17,519
but we It's not like that's like the highest achievement

692
00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:20,639
of life is just to be this like freaking insectoid

693
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:23,800
bug man who just who does nothing but labor as

694
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,000
hard as he possibly can, twenty four hours a day.

695
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:28,199
And that's like that's good if you do that, that's

696
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,760
your mortal value is like how much labor output you have.

697
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,039
That's the way these people think.

698
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally, I mean that's that's a product of the

699
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:40,079
technocratic mind right where. I mean, that's what that's what

700
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:42,920
the people are. They are basically just tools. They're cogs

701
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:44,800
in the machine. They have to work as hard as

702
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,039
they can because that's what helps us beat China.

703
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the all you have to do is look at uh,

704
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:56,360
look at some of the people who who agree, like

705
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,960
Eric Weinstein, you know, just retweeting this tweet and say

706
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:04,800
I love this. Of course he does. I mean, it's

707
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,800
all the it's all the nerds who love this, and

708
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:11,719
what are they What is the job of a nerd.

709
00:41:12,039 --> 00:41:15,519
It's to solve a problem, and it doesn't matter how

710
00:41:15,559 --> 00:41:19,360
the problem is solved. So if you need to bring

711
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,840
in infinity jeets that to solve the problem, that's the

712
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,000
way the problem gets solved. There's no consideration for the

713
00:41:27,039 --> 00:41:30,039
fact that there are people here who can do the

714
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,239
who can do the job, they've just been shut out

715
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:33,760
of the job.

716
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:38,079
Speaker 3: It's there's there's also this this ties into this sort

717
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:42,880
of reference to neo conservatism earlier. There's like this red

718
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,199
meat thrown in of China. And this is another thing

719
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,719
that like people try to make the Trump election about,

720
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,719
is China, Like we have to outcompete China. There are

721
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,480
a great civilizational enemy, and we have to do anything

722
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:58,719
possible to have bigger economy. Uh we need more economies

723
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:03,199
than China has. But people don't care about this and like, okay,

724
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,119
well let's just double down on that. If China is

725
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:06,960
such a big problem, let's just blow them up. We

726
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,079
can do that. Let's just do that, Like why why not,

727
00:42:10,199 --> 00:42:13,000
mister Ramaswami, we can't just like in nuke them. If

728
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:14,960
that's our big enemy, let's just wipe them out and

729
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,960
then look at that. We don't have to we don't

730
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,679
have to import all the all the engineers because uh,

731
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,719
well now we have all the engineers on the planet.

732
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,480
Like seriously, if you just follow their own retard neocom

733
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:27,840
logic to its logical conclusion, it's like, well that's where

734
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,840
you go, right, Like why why go this weird like

735
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,239
roundabout way when we can just like go to war

736
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,880
with them right now and wipe out their society if

737
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,039
China is such a big problem. But he's the one

738
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:38,559
who said it.

739
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 1: M then Trump the other day, did you hear this

740
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:47,840
one from Trump? He talked about a G two. It

741
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,440
would be the United States and China and that's it.

742
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 2: I didn't hear that.

743
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:59,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And one thing I do love about Trump is

744
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:03,320
he's willing to talk to anybody. He's willing to negotiate.

745
00:43:04,079 --> 00:43:08,400
You know, this isn't negotiation. His you know, his his

746
00:43:08,519 --> 00:43:11,840
cutout here is not negotiating. He's saying, it's either going

747
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,920
to be this way or China is going to own

748
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,480
our lunch.

749
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 3: What.

750
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:21,679
Speaker 1: No, this isn't there's not only two choices here. Then

751
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,239
he finishes out by saying, that's the work we have

752
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,119
cut out cut out for us, rather than wallowing in

753
00:43:28,199 --> 00:43:33,840
victimhood and just wishing or legislating alternative hiring practices into existence.

754
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,480
I'm confident we can do it, and that he puts

755
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:37,920
two American flags there.

756
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm confident that and his engineers are so great

757
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,159
that they accidentally create new viruses and release them on

758
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:46,519
the planet. Like that's how awesome China is is they

759
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,599
create global plagues because they're scientists are just so good,

760
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:52,559
and so we better have better scientists than they do.

761
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,119
That doesn't make any sense, Like what is China doing

762
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:58,559
that we need to out compete so badly with? Like

763
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,239
their rockets fail? Uh, Like I can't think of anything

764
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,760
China is known for other than making hordes of cheap

765
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,280
crap uh that are worse than all of the American

766
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,800
and European counterparts. Like what exactly they can't ever explain it.

767
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:15,440
None of this has explained. What is it that China

768
00:44:15,599 --> 00:44:18,440
is doing or will do that's going to defeat us

769
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:22,159
if we don't just have more because we're never going

770
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,039
to have more manpower than China has. That's not the point.

771
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:30,760
The way we beat China is with superior quality and creativity,

772
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,639
and we do that well with our own people. We don't.

773
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,039
It's foreigners who subverted that in the first place.

774
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: It's so.

775
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: Fucking retarded.

776
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,559
Speaker 2: No, I totally agree with that.

777
00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,159
Speaker 4: I think that the so called threat of China is

778
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,599
just it's it's so overblown. There's there's no there's no

779
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,880
threat to America from China. Like the only the only threat,

780
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:57,480
the only threat that China poses is to technocrashs that

781
00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:01,079
want to dominate, you know, the world of innovation, and

782
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:04,639
it's it's very self conceited. And you know, America itself

783
00:45:04,679 --> 00:45:07,679
can do very well economically. In fact, like the whole

784
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:12,119
immigration thing is a massive asset suck on the American people,

785
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,719
Like the whole thing is just a giant leech and

786
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:20,039
there's actually there's actually no economic productivity in net because

787
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:23,159
due to immigration itself. So the whole Chinas thing is

788
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:27,639
a complete it's basically a neocon adjacent argument and it

789
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:29,840
has no place on a true American rate.

790
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you know, you look at some of

791
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,800
the comments here, I mean, freaking cat turd of all people, goes,

792
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,559
do I really need to start listing American inventors? And

793
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:43,639
what the world wouldn't have wouldn't have without us? Sernovitch

794
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,199
talking about the woodstock generation managed to build out aerospace

795
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:52,159
the one before went to the Moon and Oran, I mean,

796
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:55,079
of course, orin comes in and goes. Turns out the

797
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,280
quote unquote waste that Doge wants it to cut from

798
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,320
America was Americans.

799
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:03,079
Speaker 2: Or as a master.

800
00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:11,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is this is not a it goes.

801
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,079
It goes back to looking at America and looking at

802
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:21,440
the nation, which is the people as economic units, and

803
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,320
considering this to be an economic zone. Now, when I

804
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,440
heard certain tech guys who are supporting Trump say, you know,

805
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:34,159
we don't want China to win the AI Wars. You know,

806
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:37,320
we don't want China to become you know, to go

807
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,639
past us on AI. I was like, yeah, okay, that

808
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:44,199
sounds great, Yeah, let's do that. Well, does that mean

809
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,199
that we have to import the friggin you know, import

810
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:52,159
the sub subcontinents? I mean a full continence to do that.

811
00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:56,880
Every engineer you have, I mean, what evidence is there

812
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:00,400
that these engineers are any good? Anyway? Ask people in

813
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,039
Canada what they think about the Indians that were imported

814
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:06,880
to run to work in their medical system. It turns

815
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,480
out out a lot of them.

816
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:14,679
Speaker 3: Every every computer programmer I've worked with, who's a pajet.

817
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,760
They're bad. I've worked with, I've had them come in.

818
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,920
You know, people. The way jeets sometimes enter like employment

819
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:25,119
is they're they're sort of hired as a group and

820
00:47:25,159 --> 00:47:28,480
they have a Brahmin leader. And it actually really messes

821
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:33,199
up the corporate structure because the way the way American

822
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:37,679
companies work is people are highly incentivized based on their

823
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:43,159
individual contributions and incentivized to take responsibility and accountability for

824
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:48,039
their actions. And it's literally the opposite with subcontinentals is

825
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:52,880
that they they're never creative. They only do exactly what

826
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:57,599
they're tasked with doing. In the most like literal interpretation possible,

827
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:00,320
so that they're never actually responsible for any decisions. They're

828
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,639
just doing what they're being told. And you also can't

829
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:05,039
interface with the lower parts of the cast, so like

830
00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:08,880
an entire team will be brought in and normally you

831
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,039
would go like talk to another programmer who is you know,

832
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,800
at your level in the hierarchy directly about some problem,

833
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:19,119
but their brahmin will intercept you and prevent you from

834
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:21,880
actually talking to your coworkers to solve problems. Like they

835
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:26,519
become they're literally the middle manager between their army of guys,

836
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:30,079
and those guys can never be gotten rid of individually

837
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:32,960
because they come as this package unit behind this brahmin.

838
00:48:33,079 --> 00:48:35,159
Like this is how it works. It completely ruins the

839
00:48:35,159 --> 00:48:38,199
corporate hierarchy. It destroys morale, and they don't produce good

840
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:42,719
results anyway. It's I could tell all those stories about

841
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,639
in college, Like when I was in college for computer science,

842
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:50,320
there were multiple groups of jeets in the computer science

843
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:55,119
program and they would openly cheat on their exams, and

844
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,599
eventually this was brought to the professor who was aware

845
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:00,320
of it, and you know, at some point point he

846
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,559
just announced that you know, has been brought to my

847
00:49:02,639 --> 00:49:06,199
attention that you know, cheating is happening on the exams, Basically,

848
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,800
drop the class and you won't be reported. And then

849
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:10,800
the jets stopped showing up the next day. It's like,

850
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,320
all of the interactions I've ever had with these people

851
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:19,559
throughout my college experience and career is entirely negative. I

852
00:49:19,599 --> 00:49:22,960
would never ever ever want to associate these we with

853
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:26,000
these people on a professional level. It's god awful, and

854
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:30,079
you you really cannot comprehend how bad it is and

855
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:32,920
how demoralizing it is until you've been forced to work

856
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,119
with these people by your bosses.

857
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:46,079
Speaker 1: So CJ shared this tweet, this retweet, it's like Eugipius

858
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,239
retweeted Vivek and said fuck you. In all my years

859
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:57,159
as a professor in America, I saw nothing but ruthlessly determined,

860
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:02,840
insanely dedicated young white young men facing unreasonable scrutiny and

861
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:09,000
racial harassment from diversity gatekeepers and similar clowns. This is

862
00:50:09,079 --> 00:50:11,360
what we you know, what we were saying before.

863
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is the thing.

864
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:18,159
Speaker 4: Like there's this myth in America that Americans are just,

865
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,360
for no reason at all, lethargic, and they can't they

866
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,320
can't do the things that VIVEC expects of them. It's

867
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,400
like we have been on the receiving end of an

868
00:50:28,599 --> 00:50:34,599
entire administrative apparatus aimed at pushing down heritage Americans and

869
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,960
lifting up, you know, whomever else wants to make, you know,

870
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:40,679
a claim of oppression. Right, that's what that's what The

871
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:45,039
entire Civil Rights Act basically built this infrastructure around that

872
00:50:45,159 --> 00:50:48,239
specific thing, and it ended up in the late nineteen

873
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:54,000
nineties and early two thousands being this institutionalized. And look,

874
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:57,400
this this isn't just us like airing like random grievances.

875
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,559
This is very well documented by people like Jeremy carl

876
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,079
in his in his book on you know, anti white

877
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,960
racism or whatever. This is very factual, it's very obvious,

878
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,079
and it's very widespread. This is what the American generations

879
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,119
coming after the nineteen sixties have basically been dealing with.

880
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:17,440
And and so do you have this guy, this billionaire

881
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,719
guy who has no like rooted connection to the American

882
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,599
way of life coming in and basically just saying, look,

883
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:26,639
you guys aren't up to snuff. We're gonna need to

884
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:29,039
do this in order to compete with China. There's absolutely

885
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:33,480
no there's actually there's no connection between you know, Vivek's

886
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,079
agenda and he's not even you know, thinking in terms

887
00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:40,519
of what has actually happened in the last half century.

888
00:51:43,199 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: There's a comment under Eugippius that I think is worth

889
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:52,840
it noticing incorporated says great name, says be me tech

890
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,199
lead of all male team. Vacancye appears register it with

891
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:02,480
ar received nine or ten candidates CVS. That's curriculum vitas.

892
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:07,360
It's basically the British version what they call a resume.

893
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:12,119
In Britain. All women required to pick four for interview.

894
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:16,920
None were qualified, company hired too anyway. One was a

895
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:20,559
fifty year old woman who never worked in the industry.

896
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, if you want to get into programming,

897
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,119
you basically have to pretend to be gay, like either

898
00:52:27,199 --> 00:52:30,039
literally or you know, in a more reddit sense. It's

899
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,280
it's unbelievable. This is why I tell people not to

900
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,280
go into computer programming anymore, because it's basically impossible to

901
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,519
get a job, no matter how good you are, if

902
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:41,440
you're if you're a white man. And I've even been

903
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,719
in this position to a kind of that Eugippius is describing,

904
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,920
like when I when I tutored people professionally, like I

905
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:55,440
was made to drag people through the department's programs who

906
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:58,440
had no business being there. One of the guys I

907
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:01,239
had to tutor was literally a tarted black guy, Like

908
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:06,119
he was literally mentally retarded, and it was actually cruel

909
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:09,280
for him to even be in the program. But there

910
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,199
were people like me who were paid to drag these

911
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:18,239
people through the programs, including women, to meet diversity quotas,

912
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,719
I guess, because there's there's no reason they should have

913
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,880
been there in the first place, and this time is

914
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:27,440
wasted on these people instead of being spent on the

915
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,199
people who are actually going to you know, make it

916
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,079
through the system and be competent people. You know. So

917
00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:38,880
there's there's thousands of hundreds of thousands of people getting

918
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,719
degrees or have no business getting those degrees because they're

919
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,079
they're just sort of shuttled through the program so that

920
00:53:44,119 --> 00:53:46,000
they can be a statistic for the university.

921
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.

922
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 4: I actually have a friend who is an engineer at

923
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:54,679
a big corporation in California. Well, he actually didn't work

924
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:56,280
there anymore, so I can say it was Apple, but

925
00:53:56,679 --> 00:54:00,079
he basically was on this you know, core part of

926
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:05,000
a specific engineering project and he he recognized very quickly

927
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:08,480
that there were certain you know, members of his team

928
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,800
that he's simply as a manager, was not allowed to criticize.

929
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,079
He would get you know, reprimanded for criticizing these people

930
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,280
because they were diversity hires, and that was literally the point.

931
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,800
And a lot of them, like some of them were Indian,

932
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,320
you know, others were of other races. But but the

933
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,039
point is that like he, you know, he was a

934
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,559
you know, a white, a white guy, and he was

935
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:31,000
the only race that there was no there was no

936
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:35,239
culture of criticism around, you know, criticizing him, complaining about him,

937
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,239
you know, reporting him to the hr lady. But all

938
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,519
the other races, of course, were uplifted. Like that's that's

939
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:44,559
literally the point of of like this like civil rights

940
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:48,159
administration culture that was created in the post nineteen sixties

941
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:49,800
and and a lot of this, like you could say

942
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,320
that some of this was purposeful, but like you know,

943
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,599
who's the guy that wrote, you know, the book After

944
00:54:54,639 --> 00:54:58,760
the Sixties, you know Americas in's the sixties. It's a

945
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,559
great book on the post war you know, economic administrative state.

946
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:05,159
But anyways, like he just points out the fact that

947
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:07,320
a lot of this was just built into the cake.

948
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,679
This entire culture of anti white racism was sort of

949
00:55:10,679 --> 00:55:14,679
this natural and organic development. And yes, we sit here

950
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:18,199
in twenty twenty four on the long end of a

951
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:23,840
very bad trajectory that is uniquely harmed heritage Americans, you know,

952
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,880
basically white America. That's that's literally been the consequence of

953
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,599
this generation, and everybody sees it. And it's the reason

954
00:55:31,599 --> 00:55:34,400
why this is a big fight is there's only we're

955
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:38,239
only now the first generation in many, many decades that's

956
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,119
willing as a group to come together and actually say

957
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,039
the Emperor has no clothes. This is all of farce.

958
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,119
The entire thing is meant to liquidate white America, and

959
00:55:47,159 --> 00:55:49,679
we're sick of it. And Vivek, I think, and Elon

960
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,639
are probably very surprised by the hostility that they're facing.

961
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:55,480
And I think, I don't know if you said it

962
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:58,039
or someone else said it, that Elon's already starting to

963
00:55:58,119 --> 00:56:01,719
back off a little bit and backpedal, which is good, Like,

964
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,920
we need to hold their feet to the fire because

965
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:06,960
this is completely unacceptable and this is not the mandate

966
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,559
that was given to the Trump administration.

967
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, and right before he backpedaled, musk can a tweet

968
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,639
about you know, this is like the biggest Dunning Kruger

969
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:18,639
effect moment ever on Twitter, and it's not. It's like,

970
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,360
the problem is all these people just want data and

971
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,920
big statistics, but the problem is all the data on

972
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:28,199
how much white men had been suppressed, especially in engineering,

973
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,599
it doesn't exist because the data has been made basically

974
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:35,519
illegal to collect, so it's not there. It's all just heuristics.

975
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,280
It's all stories like I've told on Twitter. But everyone

976
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:43,800
who actually works among this problem knows the real score here.

977
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,760
And this just goes to show that people like Vivec

978
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,239
and Musk don't actually have any clue about how engineering

979
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:55,119
teams actually operate. They're either being dishonest or they're being

980
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:58,159
fed bad data by people they trust who are just

981
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:02,800
feeding them bullshit information. Because everyone who works in engineering

982
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,519
knows what is happening and how it works, there's no

983
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:08,280
data on it. But that's just too bad, nerds like

984
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,320
you're not going to get data, You're just gonna get

985
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,159
people telling you what's going on, like I am and

986
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:13,880
other people are.

987
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is actually a really good point too, like

988
00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:19,400
the idea that they could be lied to like there's nothing,

989
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,320
there's nothing fancy or magical about engineering. I mean a

990
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,760
lot of it's actually just very logical. And so any

991
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,599
competent you know, American like you know, heritage American type

992
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:32,400
that specializes in this field could basically do this work

993
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:35,360
and probably within a couple of years train an entire

994
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,599
team of people. If a corporation wanted to, you know,

995
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,960
have some sort of initiation like initiative where you know,

996
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,119
instead of going to college, you could basically the corporation

997
00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:45,920
would train you.

998
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,239
Speaker 2: You could get you know.

999
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 4: Hundreds thousands of American engineers that could do a very

1000
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,119
good job because a lot of it's just logical, like

1001
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:57,960
like there's nothing special or unique about it. You don't

1002
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,519
need like an Indian mind to figure this stuff out.

1003
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:03,599
Like this is something that corporations, if they cared, could do.

1004
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,320
But instead, you know, what's the answer replaces him?

1005
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 1: Well, I thought we should finish on this, and it's

1006
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,360
something that I'm I know Charlie brought up. You may

1007
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:21,039
have already brought it up, CJ. There are there are

1008
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:24,920
gonna be people who say that, you know, people who

1009
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:28,800
are on our side, quote unquote, that this is what

1010
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,679
we voted for. You guys pushed to vote for Trump,

1011
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:37,639
and this is this is your fault. You knew this

1012
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,199
was going to happen. We told you this was gonna happen,

1013
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:42,960
and you didn't listen to us and you and you

1014
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:46,639
pushed for Trump. So this is all your fault. And

1015
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,039
you know, why are you guys even talking about this?

1016
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:50,079
This is what you voted for.

1017
00:58:50,599 --> 00:58:53,199
Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought this up because I wanted to

1018
00:58:53,199 --> 00:58:58,079
bring this up. Everyone all of us know Trump and

1019
00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:00,599
Musk are not like our guys or something. We're not

1020
00:59:00,639 --> 00:59:04,920
going to go to Wold and them. They can serve

1021
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,880
our interests or they cannot. During the camp, it was

1022
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,400
obvious which candidate was more in our interests. During the

1023
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:15,360
election season, it was also obvious that everyone, everyone who

1024
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:20,000
knows anything about the tech brows as they're called, knows

1025
00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:24,400
that Musk support of Trump and Ramaswami being in there

1026
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,719
as well. We all knew that there was a certain

1027
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:30,400
ethnic interest behind Musk, right. We all knew that there

1028
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,880
would necessarily be Hindu interests who were going to look

1029
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,079
for a slice of the cake after Trump won the election,

1030
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,320
So it's not like this is unexpected. What's surprising is

1031
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,599
that on Christmas they're deciding to show their hand on

1032
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:48,519
this really early. Maybe it's low impulse control, I don't know,

1033
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,880
but we all knew that this was going to happen.

1034
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,679
No one was under the illusion that, you know, mus

1035
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,880
Musk was tweeting about this stuff all the time. It's

1036
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,719
not like this is brand new, it's it's coming to

1037
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:05,360
a head in this particular moment because specifically of what

1038
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:08,880
Ramaswami said. But the idea that we were like tricked

1039
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:11,000
or we were like stupid for voting for Trump because

1040
01:00:11,039 --> 01:00:13,440
oh look you got diluted, it's like, no, we all

1041
01:00:13,519 --> 01:00:16,880
knew that this was part of the people backing him,

1042
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:21,760
That there was this ethnic interest behind the Musk faction

1043
01:00:22,159 --> 01:00:25,920
or the Peter Teel faction. Maybe hard to disambiguit those,

1044
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,840
but because of the way that feels works, there's going

1045
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:30,519
to be a bunch of Indians there and they want

1046
01:00:30,519 --> 01:00:34,079
their slice of the pie. Now is what we have

1047
01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:35,599
to do is tell them, no, you know, you don't

1048
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:37,760
get a slice of the pie just because this one

1049
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,400
you know, this one guy in tech Musk like allied

1050
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,800
with Trump. Therefore, like you can just replace white people

1051
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,519
with Indians, Like, no, it doesn't work that way. Sorry,

1052
01:00:46,639 --> 01:00:48,559
we knew this was going to happen, and we knew

1053
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:50,920
we'd have to respond to it, and it happens that

1054
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:54,079
it's sooner ratherland Leader, which is actually better. I'm perfectly

1055
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:56,719
happy that these guys are showing their hand now rather

1056
01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,679
than later. So yeah, I think that whole take, like

1057
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:04,719
how like we got tricked or something, is just delusional

1058
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,079
because we didn't. It's just we didn't talk about this

1059
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:10,360
constantly because it would be counterproductive to talk about this

1060
01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:13,639
when you're trying to When you want Trump to win

1061
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:15,840
the election, you don't sit there and counter signal him

1062
01:01:16,199 --> 01:01:21,199
like a fucking moron. When whoever, it's not Joe Biden

1063
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,119
or Kamala Harris, whoever was running against Trump, we knew

1064
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:26,440
we did not want that for us in power for sure,

1065
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:31,920
at least, like CJ said earlier, at least with the

1066
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,800
administration that's coming in, it's opened up the space for

1067
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,599
this discussion to even happen. This would be impossible in

1068
01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:43,280
the counterfactual system where Trump did not win. And you

1069
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:47,519
also noticed this is happening entirely among Trump's surrogates for

1070
01:01:47,639 --> 01:01:50,519
now and not with Trump himself, which is good. We

1071
01:01:50,559 --> 01:01:53,800
want to we need to defeat this now here before

1072
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,960
it becomes policy.

1073
01:01:56,039 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I totally agree. I'm also glad that you

1074
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:02,159
brought it up. The thing is is everybody recognizes that

1075
01:02:02,199 --> 01:02:05,920
Donald Trump is actually, with the possible exception of Obama,

1076
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:09,559
the most socially progressive president in American history. Like he's

1077
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:12,559
a he's a New York real estate mogul, he's a cosmopolitan,

1078
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,159
he has like zero impulse. That's that could be considered

1079
01:02:16,199 --> 01:02:17,800
traditionally right wing.

1080
01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:18,199
Speaker 3: Right.

1081
01:02:18,239 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 4: That's not the point of Trump, right, The point of Trump.

1082
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:23,559
Nobody thinks that he's like, you know, like a Franco

1083
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:25,760
or something like that. The whole point of Trump is

1084
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,119
to allow us access. Access is very important. What it

1085
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:33,199
does is allows us to get a voice into key

1086
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,920
aspects of the policy initiatives, like when you have people

1087
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,039
like Tom Homan, who is going to be doing very

1088
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:43,440
good border initiatives like these are the things that we wanted.

1089
01:02:43,559 --> 01:02:46,880
It's not like this is surprising to us. We wanted

1090
01:02:46,920 --> 01:02:49,360
to have this debate. We wanted to have this debate

1091
01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:53,280
when people with access to us are actually there in power.

1092
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:58,239
In fact, after the whole thing blew up yesterday, David

1093
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,239
Sachs and some other people were complaining about the possibility

1094
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:07,440
of Stephen Miller basically preventing progress from being made on

1095
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,320
the h one b uh you know, uh, you know,

1096
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,400
policy loophole or whatever. They were saying that that Stephen

1097
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,320
Miller is someone that they don't think they can work

1098
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,960
with in order to do what Vivek wants done when

1099
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,559
it comes to like Indian immigration. And so that's actually

1100
01:03:22,639 --> 01:03:25,000
a good thing. The fact that these guys are complaining

1101
01:03:25,239 --> 01:03:28,719
because people who are even Stephen Miller is not all

1102
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,559
the way what we want him to be, but he's

1103
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:33,320
somewhere that they are frustrated with because he's too further

1104
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:35,159
right and he's going to be a little bit more

1105
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:40,119
critical of the immigration stuff. So these are these are

1106
01:03:40,239 --> 01:03:43,760
very good things that we need to recognize as opportunities

1107
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:47,360
for us. That's what the Trump administration represents, its access.

1108
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:49,119
It's the fact that we get to have this debate.

1109
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,360
It's the fact that the whoever was behind Harris and

1110
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,559
whatever agenda that they had, that's no longer on the table.

1111
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:57,800
What is on the table is a fight, and I

1112
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,920
love the fact that we actually can have that fight.

1113
01:04:00,239 --> 01:04:02,400
I love the fact that we actually have the opportunity

1114
01:04:02,599 --> 01:04:07,000
to punch proverbial punch the VEC and Elon right on

1115
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:10,639
their own website. I love that that's what gives us momentum,

1116
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,880
and that's what gives us the energy to keep pushing

1117
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:15,199
the Overton window in the direction it needs to go.

1118
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to think that we didn't know this was going,

1119
01:04:22,199 --> 01:04:25,000
that it was going to come to this, and to

1120
01:04:26,039 --> 01:04:32,360
basically here's what it is. If you're about perfection, where

1121
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,280
it's like, well, I'm not going to take either side

1122
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:37,199
because neither side is perfect. I'm going to sit over

1123
01:04:37,239 --> 01:04:41,440
here in my box and I'm just going to criticize

1124
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:44,480
everyone else because I know that I'm perfect. Well you're not.

1125
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,480
You have nothing to say. You're no different than the

1126
01:04:47,519 --> 01:04:49,960
libertarians who are just like, just end the state, bro.

1127
01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:53,159
If there's a problem, if there's a problem with something

1128
01:04:53,159 --> 01:04:55,239
in government, just then the state. Get rid of the government.

1129
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,199
I mean, you're literally no different than them. You're just

1130
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:02,840
you know, you understand and culture, you understand race, things

1131
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:05,480
like that. But if that's the way you act, you

1132
01:05:05,599 --> 01:05:08,599
have to be able to look and say, okay, where

1133
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:12,280
would we be better off? Would we be better off? You know, Okay,

1134
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,639
you don't want one hundred and sixty million Indians. We don't.

1135
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:16,880
We don't either, But you're going to vote for an Indian.

1136
01:05:17,960 --> 01:05:21,639
What are you talking about? Do you understand that accelerationism

1137
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:26,280
just doesn't work. It may work in a different society.

1138
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,400
It may work in a more shitty society that would

1139
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,079
bring it, that would bring things down and they would

1140
01:05:32,119 --> 01:05:34,480
be forced to rebuild or forced to ask for help.

1141
01:05:34,519 --> 01:05:37,559
But that's not going to work here. It's too big,

1142
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:41,599
it's too decent, the power is too decentralized. What we're

1143
01:05:41,639 --> 01:05:45,079
looking at here is we're looking at incrementalism and who

1144
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:48,719
can we work with. It has already been proven that

1145
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:52,119
Elon Musk has well. First of all, he has a

1146
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:54,480
president's here. He hangs out at mar Lago. I mean,

1147
01:05:54,559 --> 01:05:57,239
it seems like they're very good friends. But also he

1148
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:00,840
looks at what the what what the public is saying

1149
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:05,880
to him, and he listens. I mean, that's why he's

1150
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,880
backing down. That's why he's talking. He's gone from he's

1151
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,480
talking about, oh, we just need point one percent or

1152
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:15,559
I mean, you're not going to get that with the

1153
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:19,920
regime that was behind Biden, that's been behind that's basically

1154
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:23,000
been in charge for the last eighty years at least

1155
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:25,840
here you have a chance to have something different, and

1156
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,760
you have a chance to even be able to Yeah.

1157
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:32,039
I saw somebody woes put out a great tweet today,

1158
01:06:32,119 --> 01:06:35,880
great tweet thread talking about exactly what's happening right now,

1159
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,840
and the responses were, well, you don't have any power,

1160
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,719
you don't have No, you don't you don't have a

1161
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,960
voice to say anything you No one is listening to

1162
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:48,880
you because you're a fucking idiot who is calling everybody

1163
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:52,599
a jew online who disagrees with you. You can call

1164
01:06:52,639 --> 01:06:55,920
it like heritage American. Oh you're a Jew. No one's

1165
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:59,760
listening to you. Okay, but I know for a fact

1166
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:03,679
that they listen to us. I mean they follow us

1167
01:07:03,719 --> 01:07:06,320
on Twitter. I know that they listen to our podcast

1168
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:08,840
It was like proven that Tucker Carlson when he was

1169
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,559
on Fox and still now, his producers were listening to

1170
01:07:13,480 --> 01:07:17,880
our podcasts and we would hear our words repeated. Okay,

1171
01:07:18,119 --> 01:07:20,840
that's not happening with Harris and Biden.

1172
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,679
Speaker 2: Yes exactly, So you know, fuck off.

1173
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,239
Speaker 1: We know more than you. I'm sorry, I hate to

1174
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,480
sound that way, but we know more than you. And

1175
01:07:31,519 --> 01:07:34,039
as a matter of fact, here's something go look at

1176
01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:36,400
the people go look at the tech people. I'm not

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01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,440
going to name anybody, and I don't want anyone to

1178
01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:41,760
name anybody. Go look at the tech people online right

1179
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:46,119
now who are countering. There are some countering this. There

1180
01:07:46,119 --> 01:07:48,920
are people on the right countering this, And look at

1181
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:53,119
the ones who are staying silent, and ask yourself, do

1182
01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:56,480
you have friends out there? Because not every tech guy

1183
01:07:56,519 --> 01:08:00,519
out there is for this, and some of them are

1184
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:02,800
spending a lot of time at mar A Lago.

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Speaker 3: No.

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01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:07,599
Speaker 2: I totally agree, and like in terms of strategy, like.

1187
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 4: You know, like people, there are people who are you know,

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01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,960
who have different framing about these problems than I do.

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Speaker 2: And we all have a role to play.

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01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,159
Speaker 4: And the idea that we all have to be like

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01:08:19,720 --> 01:08:23,159
Juice Burgging, I think is a little bit like silly.

1192
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:28,479
Like these we have an opportunity to be voices that basically,

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01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:32,680
you know, find their way up into the people that

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01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:36,199
are actually shaping policy. Like I remember last year when

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01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,880
Tucker Carlson on his show used the phrase heritage Americans

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01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,560
several times, like if I had been you know, framing

1197
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,760
my my arguments differently, that may not have ever made

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01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:48,680
it to his us. This is how you shift the

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01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,600
overton window. You have to argue in ways that basically

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01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:56,159
build bridges that are safe for the you know, normal American.

1201
01:08:56,279 --> 01:08:58,920
This is how you, like quote unquote radicalize them is

1202
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,359
you make them aware of of what the actual problems

1203
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:04,279
are in words and phrases that they can actually grapple

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01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:05,159
with and understand.

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01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:16,359
Speaker 1: Got anything, Charlie, I might have an Internet is shuit

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01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:17,000
happening again?

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Speaker 4: No?

1208
01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:20,319
Speaker 1: I was, Oh, okay, I.

1209
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:23,119
Speaker 3: Was just looking at the latest stuff on on Twitter.

1210
01:09:23,239 --> 01:09:27,399
Speaker 1: But how's everything looking? What are the what are the

1211
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:30,199
responses looking like? What are the reactions looking like?

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Speaker 3: Well, I saw that must Musk has kind of just

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01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,520
dropped it. He hasn't tweeted about this in the last

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01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:40,039
couple of hours. But also this shouldn't go away. I

1215
01:09:40,039 --> 01:09:42,680
guess the last thing I could say on the areas

1216
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:46,279
we just discussed is like, I knew this this was coming.

1217
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:51,000
We have not been surprised by this happening. And I'm

1218
01:09:51,119 --> 01:09:53,439
I'm not like but heard or mad about it. I'm

1219
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,399
happy that this is actually happening now rather than later.

1220
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:58,840
It's better that that this is actually put on the

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01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,520
table right now and at Musk and Trump understand the

1222
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,520
score and where his base is at before the administration

1223
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:07,960
even comes in, so we have we can't let this

1224
01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:13,560
disappear either. When when you're when this is a problem

1225
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,119
some people in the right half, when you're when you're

1226
01:10:16,119 --> 01:10:19,159
trying to discipline your own side, when they step out

1227
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:24,359
of line, you you don't just like break alliances and

1228
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,560
completely throw them under the boss or something when they

1229
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:28,760
step out of line. But you do have to vigorously

1230
01:10:29,479 --> 01:10:35,159
and with the appropriate I don't know gentleness in some cases,

1231
01:10:35,239 --> 01:10:37,800
like I'm thinking here in regard to like a tweet

1232
01:10:38,199 --> 01:10:40,640
I saw Tom Woods put out on this subject, like

1233
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,560
Tom Woods needs to be corrected for being on the

1234
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,880
wrong side of this issue. But when you do that,

1235
01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:49,319
you know, I regard Tom Woods as a friend. Actually

1236
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:51,840
Pete and I both met him, I think at the

1237
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:56,000
same conference the first time. Like I like Tom Woods,

1238
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,000
but people need to be corrected. He needs to be corrected.

1239
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,680
In this case, you can do that gently, but it

1240
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:03,199
has to be done. In other cases it can be

1241
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:06,880
done more aggressively, like with Ramaswami. I'm totally fine being

1242
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,600
really really hard on him. But you also can't just

1243
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:14,560
break alliances with people or have like a total freak

1244
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:18,520
out or something. Anytime something like this happens, this is expected.

1245
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:24,960
It can be dealt with aggressively, but in a reasoned

1246
01:11:25,079 --> 01:11:26,800
and calm state of mind.

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01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:28,800
Speaker 2: No, I totally agree with you.

1248
01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:31,000
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, and Tom is you know, ally he may

1249
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,279
not be as hard rights as he needs to be

1250
01:11:33,279 --> 01:11:35,840
in the present moment, but he took the right side

1251
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,159
on James Lindsay, you know, and he's taken the right

1252
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:40,319
side on a lot of things recently. And so but yeah,

1253
01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:42,600
people like that need to be pushed a little bit,

1254
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,560
and they are definitely allies. But people like Elon, you know,

1255
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,680
they actually get a little bit fearful. I think of

1256
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,319
mass discontent and so you you actually can bully him

1257
01:11:53,359 --> 01:11:55,439
on his own platform, and that's a very healthy thing

1258
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:55,720
to do.

1259
01:11:58,399 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1260
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: I think that people just need to realize that there's

1261
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:12,279
no If this was the Harris administration incoming Harris administration,

1262
01:12:13,079 --> 01:12:19,319
there apparatchicks doing the same thing. There'd be no conversation,

1263
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:26,560
there'd be no back and forth. There's nothing there. And

1264
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:29,640
now we have that chance. People can call that cope

1265
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,960
all they want. I have a tendency to believe that

1266
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:36,880
people who use the term cope, I mean, they're really

1267
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,880
not that smart. I mean I use it. I use

1268
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,199
it to be funny and against my enemies. I don't

1269
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:45,840
use that against people I like. I don't use that

1270
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:48,800
against people who are on you know, who are supposed

1271
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:52,359
to be on my side, unless they're real fucking assholes.

1272
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:56,760
But this is what it is. This is the real world.

1273
01:12:57,159 --> 01:13:00,279
You can sit there and be I mean, I I

1274
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:05,319
swear it. When I started really shifting out of libertarianism

1275
01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:09,319
and I started hanging out with more people who you know, had,

1276
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:12,119
you know, thought like Charlie, Charlie came on my show

1277
01:13:12,119 --> 01:13:14,600
and really changed my thinking with just a couple of

1278
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:20,119
sentences that he said, and you know, I realized that,

1279
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:23,439
you know, he is somebody who has a nuanced way

1280
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,920
of thinking. And then when I started listening to more

1281
01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,479
people over on this side, I was realizing, Oh, they're

1282
01:13:28,520 --> 01:13:32,159
really no different than libertarians. And the fact that they're expecting,

1283
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:35,359
like the perfect to happen tomorrow, and if the perfect

1284
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:37,359
isn't going to happen tomorrow, they're just going to sit

1285
01:13:37,399 --> 01:13:40,560
in their box and snipe it. People who may be

1286
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:43,760
trying to make things happen. I mean, I'm sure there

1287
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,840
are people who are like, well, the old Glory Club,

1288
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,319
you know, what, Oh, you can invite us to your

1289
01:13:48,359 --> 01:13:53,960
events so we can dox ourselves. No, if that's your attitude,

1290
01:13:54,039 --> 01:13:58,920
we don't want you. When have we ever been Jehovah's

1291
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:02,079
witnesses and there have been people we've turned you know,

1292
01:14:02,119 --> 01:14:06,359
we've told sorry, you can't join it this time. That's

1293
01:14:06,359 --> 01:14:09,960
the attitude you have to have, because not everybody is

1294
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:14,640
going to be helpful in the road going forward. And really,

1295
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,319
I mean I've said this before, I'll say it again.

1296
01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:21,199
Unfuck yourself, and unfuck the way you think and the

1297
01:14:21,239 --> 01:14:24,640
way you approach the world and the way you approach

1298
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,680
life and the way you approach politics or you know,

1299
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,840
you're you're just not going to be taken seriously by

1300
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:33,159
people who can actually get things done.

1301
01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:36,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of times they don't want to

1302
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:39,279
get things done because their brand relies on them to

1303
01:14:39,319 --> 01:14:40,520
be purely spiraling.

1304
01:14:42,399 --> 01:14:44,680
Speaker 3: And kind of relate it to this in the article

1305
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,760
I put out the other day for the Old Flory Club,

1306
01:14:48,600 --> 01:14:51,279
I think you can Want Friday. I wanted to touch

1307
01:14:51,319 --> 01:14:54,560
on this and actually forgot, But this sort of gets

1308
01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:58,359
into policing what other people are doing on the rate,

1309
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:01,199
you know, and the position I've come to is like

1310
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,119
I and Pete very much exemplifies this as like, I

1311
01:15:05,199 --> 01:15:08,039
don't care what other people are doing. I don't care

1312
01:15:08,079 --> 01:15:10,760
about policing other factions of the right, even if I

1313
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,039
disagree with like their particular tactics. The only time I'm

1314
01:15:14,079 --> 01:15:17,279
going to complain about what some other group is doing

1315
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:21,800
is if they're like actively subverting or attacking me really

1316
01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:26,239
or by people. And I used, you know, I made

1317
01:15:26,279 --> 01:15:28,680
the point in that article about how like if you

1318
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:32,600
use the term like dissonant, right, for example, when I

1319
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,279
hear people use that term, what I hear is like

1320
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,279
I there's no group of people that I have loyalty

1321
01:15:38,359 --> 01:15:40,439
to that I belong to, so I'm just gonna associate

1322
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,560
with this vague group. It's like, my group is not

1323
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,159
limited to, but it's mostly people in the Old Glory

1324
01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:49,119
Club and some of my other friends. And those are

1325
01:15:49,119 --> 01:15:52,119
the people that I'll correct privately if need to, or

1326
01:15:52,199 --> 01:15:54,840
accept corrections from. And those are the people who I

1327
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,000
care about in terms of like what they're doing. So

1328
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,760
when people like I side of my sphere, you know,

1329
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,960
if they come at us and be like, oh, well,

1330
01:16:04,039 --> 01:16:05,920
you shouldn't have done this or you shouldn't have done that.

1331
01:16:06,119 --> 01:16:08,439
In regard to like supporting Trump or Musk or whatever.

1332
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,680
It's like, why are you telling me what to do?

1333
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:13,279
Like you're not part of my thing just because you

1334
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:15,920
you were like, well I'm dissident, right or whatever. It's

1335
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,960
like people should be you should find a group that

1336
01:16:20,079 --> 01:16:22,640
you actually belong to. This isn't just some vague concept,

1337
01:16:23,039 --> 01:16:26,199
and those are the people that you should care about

1338
01:16:26,239 --> 01:16:29,079
in terms of what they're actually doing and saying, not

1339
01:16:29,279 --> 01:16:31,960
just like random people on the internet. So that's kind

1340
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,560
of a corollary of some of what you touched on.

1341
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,920
There have people like coming at us for like supporting

1342
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,560
Trump or Musk or whatever. It's like, it's not your business.

1343
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:43,199
You know, it's not your business what I'm doing. And

1344
01:16:43,359 --> 01:16:46,039
it's not my business to go around policing other random

1345
01:16:46,039 --> 01:16:48,239
people on the right either, unless they're you know, very

1346
01:16:48,319 --> 01:16:49,439
directly undermining me.

1347
01:16:52,920 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: All Right, CJ, what do you have to promote.

1348
01:16:57,560 --> 01:16:58,079
Speaker 2: Just the Twitter?

1349
01:16:58,199 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 4: I guess is fine, Contrammordar, We're doing we're doing very

1350
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,520
exciting things in Middle Tennessee, as many of your audience

1351
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,840
probably has seen. You know, we got we got in

1352
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,359
a little bit of a storm, but you know, be watching.

1353
01:17:12,520 --> 01:17:14,239
I think that I think that people are going to be,

1354
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,600
you know, pleasantly energized by by some of the things

1355
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,880
that we have going on. So at contramortars where you

1356
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:21,239
can you know, stay up to speed.

1357
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,560
Speaker 3: Charlie, Well, if you go to the old Glory Club

1358
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:31,119
dot com, especially to slash map, you can see the

1359
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:34,079
map now of where our chapters are, so you can

1360
01:17:34,159 --> 01:17:35,880
click on your state and see if there's something in

1361
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,119
the state, and if you find a chapter in your state,

1362
01:17:39,239 --> 01:17:42,720
there should be contact infill on all their pages. Map

1363
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,079
is fairly rudimentary for now because unfortunately I'm just a

1364
01:17:46,119 --> 01:17:48,560
humble white man and not a pajeet. But you know,

1365
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,199
I'll be continuing to add features to that, so hopefully

1366
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:55,000
people find that useful in terms of farty people to

1367
01:17:55,079 --> 01:17:55,680
associate with.

1368
01:17:57,439 --> 01:18:00,159
Speaker 1: It's a very easy website to use, and Charlie is

1369
01:18:00,239 --> 01:18:03,159
responsible for all of it and we appreciate that. Jolie.

1370
01:18:05,079 --> 01:18:08,600
All right, everyone, thank you and we'll see you on

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01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:10,000
the next episode. Take care,