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<v Speaker 1>You'll be away five seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to report a UFO hanging in?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't want to report every thirty one. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>wish to report a.

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<v Speaker 3>UFO over Hey, we want to one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Data areas thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you wish to find a report of any kind

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<v Speaker 2>of it?

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time.

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<v Speaker 2>Areas thirty one Me neither there or see if it

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<v Speaker 2>was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty seconds ago,

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<v Speaker 2>we were sending one top of golf negative. Okay, OFFI

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<v Speaker 2>the UFO.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock. Yes, I'll just passed over,

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<v Speaker 3>I go.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it was, but it's from at

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<v Speaker 2>least to three thousand feet above us. See I passed

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<v Speaker 2>out over the top.

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<v Speaker 4>Of us ninety one one.

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<v Speaker 1>You just called both to be be four rest they're

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<v Speaker 1>after staying.

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<v Speaker 3>The airplanes here to God on an unidentified object every

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<v Speaker 3>liberty four call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their

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<v Speaker 5>experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,

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<v Speaker 5>I would like to be on the show. You can

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<v Speaker 5>email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello everyone,

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<v Speaker 5>and welcome to the show. How are you all doing.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles Podcast.

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<v Speaker 5>In tonight's episode, Jonathan calling from South Yorkshire in the

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<v Speaker 5>United as he recounts a series of experiences that began

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<v Speaker 5>when he was a child and reserviced at different points

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<v Speaker 5>throughout his life. What started as reoccurring nighttime episodes, moments

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<v Speaker 5>where he believed he was lifted from his bed and

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<v Speaker 5>later found on the floor. Eventually these gave way to

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<v Speaker 5>other unexplained events, violent disturbances in his house, a silent

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<v Speaker 5>object crossing the night sky seen alongside his father, and

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<v Speaker 5>years later, during recovery from a serious injury, encounters that

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<v Speaker 5>challenged his sense of control over his own body. Jonathan

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<v Speaker 5>is up next, but first.

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<v Speaker 6>with the show.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello Jonathan, Welcome to the podcast. It is good to

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<v Speaker 5>have you join us tonight and you're calling from South Yorkshire.

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<v Speaker 5>That's correct, good Staff, South Yorkshire, the UK, wonderful part

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<v Speaker 5>of the country. Now, Jonathan, you have some experiences to

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<v Speaker 5>share with us. Would you like to start at the beginning, please, sir?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can do. I mean, I'll be honest.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm going to start from the age of sort of

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<v Speaker 4>seven or eight, is about ninety ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Roughly.

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<v Speaker 4>It started where I had these dreams, so basically I

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't call them dreams I did at the time. I

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<v Speaker 4>was very very young at the time, and it would

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<v Speaker 4>be where I would be awoken in my sleep and

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<v Speaker 4>although supposedly I'm dreaming, and I would be levitated to

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<v Speaker 4>the roof of a hallway in the house that was

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<v Speaker 4>staying at the time, and I would wake up out

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<v Speaker 4>the side of the bed crying, and my Mum would

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<v Speaker 4>come in put me back in bed, and that'd be it.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this went on for.

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<v Speaker 4>Years, for about sort of three years, I would say

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<v Speaker 4>where it wasn't every night, it'd be probably once every

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<v Speaker 4>three weeks, maybe once every four weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Something along the lines of that.

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<v Speaker 4>And then all of a sudden those did actually stop happening,

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<v Speaker 4>but it did reoccur one more.

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<v Speaker 1>Time later in life.

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<v Speaker 4>But my experiences they changed through the years, and I've

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<v Speaker 4>come to a sort of a point now where I've

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<v Speaker 4>looked back because obviously this happened what thirty years ago

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<v Speaker 4>it started happening, So I look back now after having

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<v Speaker 4>loads of different experiences through the years, and believed that

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<v Speaker 4>to a certain degree they may all actually be into linked.

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<v Speaker 1>But I can't be completely sure.

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<v Speaker 4>I always leave it up to skepticism, but yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 4>where I'm at with it now. Going forward from that

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<v Speaker 4>sort of the age of fifteen, we've moved house more

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<v Speaker 4>in a different house, and this was when I first

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<v Speaker 4>ever saw something that I couldn't really explain, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was a paranormal sort of vibe I suppose, if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to go down that sort of route. And there's

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<v Speaker 4>been a lot of negativity in the household, a hell

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<v Speaker 4>of a lot of negativity. I'm not going to go

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<v Speaker 4>into what it was living obviously with my parents at

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<v Speaker 4>the time, and it would get to sort of seven

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<v Speaker 4>or eight in the evening, obviously everything's dim and this

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<v Speaker 4>was in the I remember it's been in the winter

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<v Speaker 4>at this particular year. Now, don't ask me the exact year,

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<v Speaker 4>because I can't pinpoint it because there wasn't anything around

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<v Speaker 4>that sort of time frame to give it an accurate

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<v Speaker 4>But I was seeing sort of shadows darting the in

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<v Speaker 4>the actual room, and they would look like figures. But

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<v Speaker 4>yet we lived, we faced fields, and there were never

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<v Speaker 4>any light shining or anything like that. There's nothing that

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<v Speaker 4>should have been able to change where something was, if

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<v Speaker 4>that makes any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 4>I'd never thought about it that much at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>It kind of just passed. I never really had any

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<v Speaker 4>bad interaction or anything like that around that sort of time,

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<v Speaker 4>and those dreams that I'd had prior those, yeah, it

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<v Speaker 4>might have been super negative, but I never really thought

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<v Speaker 4>much about me. It's not until later live that have

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<v Speaker 4>sat and gone, well, hang on a minute. You were

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<v Speaker 4>brought up in cotton wool, and I really was. I

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<v Speaker 4>was brought up in cottonwell. I never watched any sort

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<v Speaker 4>of horror films or anything that would kind of depict

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<v Speaker 4>yourself floating out of bed and been pinned against the roof.

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<v Speaker 4>So obviously I've started to make links with things through

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<v Speaker 4>the years, moving on, moving past the shadows that I

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<v Speaker 4>saw of darting.

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<v Speaker 1>I moved into a house later in life.

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<v Speaker 4>Now this will have been probably about eight nine years later,

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<v Speaker 4>and had had my first child, and me and our

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<v Speaker 4>partner at the time were living in a property. Basically

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<v Speaker 4>that was a very very strange and turbulent time. I

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<v Speaker 4>was very young in the head and me and my

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<v Speaker 4>partner at the time split up. She moved back with

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<v Speaker 4>her family and I was left alone in that house.

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<v Speaker 4>And I remember the first night I was there. This

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<v Speaker 4>is where I first had something that felt extremely negative

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<v Speaker 4>happening in the house, and it was very, very bizarre.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's nighttime. I'm sat in the living room and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm watching TV and it's a semi detached house. I

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<v Speaker 4>know the next door here because funnily enough, i'd actually

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<v Speaker 4>grown up with him in early life about I had

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<v Speaker 4>none it for about teny years, and in his family

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<v Speaker 4>had actually gone away to scapeenest. They had gone into

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<v Speaker 4>a caravan, so I knew there was just me in

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<v Speaker 4>this entire semi detached property, and up in what was

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<v Speaker 4>my daughter's room, I heard the biggest bang you've ever

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<v Speaker 4>heard in your life. It sounded like a car hitting

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<v Speaker 4>the hitting the room.

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<v Speaker 1>It was horrendous.

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<v Speaker 4>It shook the house, and I sat there in absolute fear.

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<v Speaker 4>I just literally said, that's my cue to leave, and

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<v Speaker 4>Iran and Iran, I got in the car and I

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<v Speaker 4>went to my mom and dad's house in absolute fear.

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<v Speaker 4>Now this wasn't an isolated incident. This actually continued what

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<v Speaker 4>happened in that house. So I then at the time,

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<v Speaker 4>was in a band when I was doing music and stuff,

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<v Speaker 4>and I had a friend and he came and stayed

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<v Speaker 4>with me because I rang him up that night, and

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<v Speaker 4>I said, look, this has happened. It's really really strange.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to be in there on my own.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not ready for this. Do you want to come

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<v Speaker 4>and live with me for a bit? And he did.

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<v Speaker 4>He came and lived with me for a bit, and

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<v Speaker 4>he had some strange experiences of which I'm not going

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<v Speaker 4>to go into because that's for him to probably go into,

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<v Speaker 4>not me, but the ones that we witnessed together.

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<v Speaker 1>However, we're very, very odd. So there was.

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<v Speaker 4>One night we had our band around and we were

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<v Speaker 4>all downstairs and I had my recording gear there at

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<v Speaker 4>the time, and we could hear footsteps upstairs in what

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<v Speaker 4>used to be in my room. A few years, probably

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<v Speaker 4>red move rooms and they were going around in a circle.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really really weird.

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<v Speaker 4>And then all of a sudden they bolted all the

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<v Speaker 4>way down the stairs and something hit the door at

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<v Speaker 4>the bottom of the stairs and the door shock. Now

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<v Speaker 4>bury in mind, there's five adults in this room, and

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<v Speaker 4>we were all terrified by it.

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<v Speaker 1>We were like, what the hell was that?

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<v Speaker 4>So anyway, look, there were more things that happened during

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<v Speaker 4>the time had been there that There's not much poet

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<v Speaker 4>going into that in depth. Could we could be here

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<v Speaker 4>for hours? So I'll move on and I'll move on

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<v Speaker 4>to the next thing. Now, this is where things probably

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<v Speaker 4>got a little bit stranger because it was totally obviously

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<v Speaker 4>at the time, I would have never had any kind

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<v Speaker 4>of correlation between the two things or any of these

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<v Speaker 4>things that happened. Is it's not until my later years

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<v Speaker 4>that I've started to pin things together in my own mind.

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<v Speaker 4>And I could be completely wrong, but this particular one.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm a lot older, so we're talking to now,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm probably around the age of thirty at this point.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thirty seven now, so this is seven years ago,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'd been out with my dad, we'd been doing

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<v Speaker 4>I did a Chinese delivery job at night, and we've

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<v Speaker 4>been out. We finished, We always finished around eleven o'clock.

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<v Speaker 4>And the reason used to come with me is because

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<v Speaker 4>in the local area, what'd happen is youths had place

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<v Speaker 4>like a prank call ordering a Chinese wait for you

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<v Speaker 4>to get to this particular tress.

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<v Speaker 1>There'd be like behind some hedgerows.

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<v Speaker 4>They'd come around, they stomp all your car and then

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<v Speaker 4>run off, basically just being idiots. But unfortunately I'd taken

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<v Speaker 4>my dad with me, thinking that was a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably wasn't, But on this particular night it was.

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<v Speaker 4>We were heading back sort of eleven o'clock at night

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<v Speaker 4>from this Chinese de we cashed up. We're on his

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<v Speaker 4>way back, and we were going down this long stretch

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<v Speaker 4>of road. And on this long stretch of road you

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<v Speaker 4>can see quite a lot of horizon because it's it's

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<v Speaker 4>kind of countryside sort of thing, so you can see

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of scape and what we could see to

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<v Speaker 4>the right and side, but these.

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<v Speaker 1>Three lights in the sky.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, to measure distance between the lights, if you got

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<v Speaker 4>your arm and you extended it all the way out,

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<v Speaker 4>and you got your first finger and your thumb and

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<v Speaker 4>you kind of extended them all the way out, so

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<v Speaker 4>you couldn't stretch them any further.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the distance between each point of light.

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<v Speaker 4>So as you can tell, the lights are actually quite

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<v Speaker 4>far away from one another. But this night was perfectly clear.

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<v Speaker 4>It was pitch black, and these three lights were brighter

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<v Speaker 4>than any stars out there, but not a great deal bigger.

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<v Speaker 4>But the distance between them was quite big.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this triangular.

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<v Speaker 4>scape in such a short space of time it was unreal,

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<v Speaker 4>never broke formation whatsoever. I was really really curious. I

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, actually the.

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<v Speaker 4>Whole paranormal stuff. I'd tried to speak to my mum

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't believe in it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then anyway, so.

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<v Speaker 4>The last thing, and I will fast forward to sort

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<v Speaker 4>of the last thing that ever happened, and this was

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<v Speaker 4>I could move from room to room but with crutches,

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<v Speaker 4>and I've got a fixed knee brace on at the time,

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<v Speaker 4>so I think it actually had my operation at this point.

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<v Speaker 4>Now I swear i'd had the operation. That's why I

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, I'm sad, and I'm actually in the.

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<v Speaker 4>Living room because I'd been expelled to the living room

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<v Speaker 4>as I was playing this game. So I was playing

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<v Speaker 4>this game, and all of a sudden, I hear something.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like when someone gets up off a leather sofa.

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<v Speaker 4>it's like skins stuck to it, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So I looked over.

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<v Speaker 4>Because obviously I know I'm in the room on my own.

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<v Speaker 4>I've just got the dog at the side of me.

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<v Speaker 4>I looked over and there's this black mass and it

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<v Speaker 4>is above the sofa. Now it's not in the form

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<v Speaker 4>of a person. It is a mass, and it's hard

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<v Speaker 4>to explain. It was just incredibly dark, really really dark. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>this black mask then shot passed me and down the hallway,

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<v Speaker 4>but through a door. So I'm sat there and I'm thinking, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I was, I'm not gonna lie. I was kind of scared.

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<v Speaker 4>I was kind of scared because it's very odd to

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<v Speaker 4>have seen what I saw. But then it continued, so

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<v Speaker 4>I decided I was going to go to bed, so

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<v Speaker 4>I hobble back to bed. I get in bed, and

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<v Speaker 4>the dog has a little dog bed at the side

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<v Speaker 4>of where I am, underneath my guitar that's war hung.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm laid there and I'm thinking, God, what the

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<v Speaker 1>hell was that? You know, that wasn't great.

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<v Speaker 4>And then all of a sudden, it turns icy cold,

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<v Speaker 4>and I mean icy cold, and then I heard the

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<v Speaker 4>dog sort of shuffling and rustling. So I looked down

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<v Speaker 4>and then as I looked down, I could see to

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<v Speaker 4>the left of me that the black mask was back

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<v Speaker 4>and it was above the dog, and the dog yelled

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<v Speaker 4>and jumped on the bed. I subsequently shouted because he

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<v Speaker 4>moved my knee in a funny way.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was literally at the side of me.

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<v Speaker 4>Now you could see that in a dark room, which

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<v Speaker 4>was the weird thing. My eyes had adjusted at this point,

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<v Speaker 4>so obviously there's a small fraction like coming through, but

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<v Speaker 4>nothing great. The room is still really dark, but this

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<v Speaker 4>is even darker. It was really bizarre anyway, that instantly

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<v Speaker 4>sort of vanished. It disappeared two weeks later. I then

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<v Speaker 4>had the last ever experience, which was the strangest experience

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<v Speaker 4>of my life. Literally, I've never had it happen since

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<v Speaker 4>I thought I was going mad. Let me be quite clear,

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<v Speaker 4>this was the strangest experience I've ever had. And I

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<v Speaker 4>have actually tried speaking to medical professionals. I really shouldn't

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<v Speaker 4>have done, because they one of them basically told me

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<v Speaker 4>never to ever again. I was asleep this particular night

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<v Speaker 4>and this, like I said, this is two weeks after

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<v Speaker 4>the shadow thing, and I wake up and I'm stood

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<v Speaker 4>up now, bearing in mind, I'm still in a fixed

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not meant to be weight bearing, all.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, I'm stood up on a leg that should be

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<v Speaker 4>in a lot of pain, but I'm not feeling any pain.

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<v Speaker 4>But I can see everything, I can hear, but everything's

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<v Speaker 4>really bizarre. And all of a sudden, I want to

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<v Speaker 4>say me, but my body starts walking and it walks

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<v Speaker 4>through the house. It gets through to the kitchen, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm then stood at the like We've got like this

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<v Speaker 4>big window in the kitchen and I'm stood there with

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<v Speaker 4>my hands on the sink, and I'm starting to panic

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm not actually doing these things.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not walking of my own volition.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not doing anything myself in any way, shape or form.

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<v Speaker 4>And then all of a sudden, my body screams around,

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<v Speaker 4>goes to the fridge.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I did pick out a drink.

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<v Speaker 4>At this point, I feel like that's when I started

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<v Speaker 4>to regain control of my physical body. God, this is

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<v Speaker 4>weird saying this and recounting this. It's so crazy. But

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<v Speaker 4>pick out this drink. I take a drink. I'm like, right,

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<v Speaker 4>so I'm awake. I'm awake because I'm trying to figure

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<v Speaker 4>out whether I'm asleep. This is this is how crazy

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<v Speaker 4>this is. So this point, I go into where my

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<v Speaker 4>partner is and I start shouting help, Help, Help. Now

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<v Speaker 4>this is where it gets really really bizarre. Everything I

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<v Speaker 4>say I don't hear when I say it, there's like

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<v Speaker 4>a delay. It's very difficult to explain, but it's you're

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<v Speaker 4>saying things and it's almost like hearing a reflection coming

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<v Speaker 4>back at you, which was incredibly confusing. And I started

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<v Speaker 4>to scattering my words and all sorts of things really bizarre.

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<v Speaker 4>And I actually said to it, I think I'm going mad.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I've gone crazy, because at this point I

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<v Speaker 4>genuinely think I have. I'm I'm walking through the house.

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<v Speaker 4>I've got no control of what I'm doing. By the

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<v Speaker 4>end of this, I'm in flood of tears. I'm absolutely stile.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, what is going on? She calms me down.

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<v Speaker 4>I got back to sleep. I wake up. It's like

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<v Speaker 4>it's never happened, but it's happened. I remember everything. My

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<v Speaker 4>partner remembered it. We spoke about it at length. She

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<v Speaker 4>thought it was hilarious. I thought it was terrifying. I

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<v Speaker 4>hope it never happens again. It never has happened again.

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<v Speaker 4>I did stop taking the meds that I was on.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason I.

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<v Speaker 4>Split to medical professionals because I said, look, is there

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<v Speaker 4>any sort of side effect I can get from taking

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<v Speaker 4>these meds that would make me do X and Y?

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<v Speaker 4>And obviously went through this. I tried explaining all this

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<v Speaker 4>and it just went no, no, I mean, do you

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<v Speaker 4>mean you had sleep paralysis? And I went, well, no,

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<v Speaker 4>because I'm walking through the house. And obviously we could

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<v Speaker 4>never come.

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<v Speaker 1>To what it was.

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<v Speaker 4>They never had any explanation for it. I never had

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<v Speaker 4>an explanation for it. But that was the last thing

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<v Speaker 4>that had ever happened. It was terrifying. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 4>to lie just to hope it never happens again. But

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<v Speaker 4>it has got to a stage now where I've started

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<v Speaker 4>to look back on everything that's happened over the years,

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<v Speaker 4>and for some reason, I feel like the pins are

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<v Speaker 4>gather thinking when I was as a young child in

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<v Speaker 4>regards to the being levitated.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, all I can explain to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Is everyone that I know and a dog has watched

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<v Speaker 4>paranormal activity and where that guy where anyone would get

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<v Speaker 4>like dragged in mid air, and it looks fake. It

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<v Speaker 4>looks so fake, and you know it's crazy. But that's

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<v Speaker 4>the sort of floating we're talking about. You, That's that's

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<v Speaker 4>the dream there I had, Well, how did I have

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<v Speaker 4>that dream at a very very very.

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<v Speaker 1>Young age when I never watched anything like that?

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing like that existed, There was nothing like that, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'd certainly never watched anything like that. So I can't

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<v Speaker 4>understand for the life of me why I would have

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<v Speaker 4>had a dream as such that would have been that

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<v Speaker 4>way inclined, and why I would have been pinned to

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<v Speaker 4>the roof. And I do remember distinctly this weird growl

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<v Speaker 4>thing that I heard every single time, and I know

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<v Speaker 4>when it happened, I would always go to bed. I

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<v Speaker 4>know I would always go to bed that sort of era,

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<v Speaker 4>thinking God, I don't it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.

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<v Speaker 4>And then when it did happen, the only thing I

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<v Speaker 4>can recount for me is thinking, oh God, it's happening again.

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<v Speaker 4>I can hear it again, and I'd hear this ground

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<v Speaker 4>and all of a sudden I'd been levitated out of bed.

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<v Speaker 4>But when I was like when i'd wake up, i'd

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<v Speaker 4>literally be at the side of my bed, face face down.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really bizarre.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, interesting stuff, Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I don't really speak about

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<v Speaker 4>this to anyone. I never really have. It's it's a

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<v Speaker 4>taboo subject. And you know what, I felt so nut

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<v Speaker 4>saying after that, I said, crazy, that's especially that, you

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<v Speaker 4>know the walking through the house bit that one. Oh God,

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<v Speaker 4>I never speak to anyone about that, but I've genuinely

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<v Speaker 4>asked for advice on that, and no one can really

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<v Speaker 4>tell me. What happened to me in any way, shape

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<v Speaker 4>or form. Was very, very bizarre and very scary.

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<v Speaker 5>It is quite bizarre. But I'm surprised that the therapist said,

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<v Speaker 5>don't tell no one about this.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a bit right.

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<v Speaker 4>So I spoke to GPS first in regards to sort

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<v Speaker 4>of the medication that I've been on, because I've been

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<v Speaker 4>on I think it was an approxym for anti inflammatory,

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<v Speaker 4>and i'd been on either trauma door or I've been

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<v Speaker 4>on a mix of different ones, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>know whether that could have given me some form of

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<v Speaker 4>weird reaction. But at the end of the day, we're

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<v Speaker 4>not talking about a hallucination that someone else didn't experience.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's what made it more legitimate in my mind,

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<v Speaker 4>is the fact that other people witnessed a few of

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<v Speaker 4>these things. The dog witnessing, the black mass in the room,

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<v Speaker 4>and then my partner actually witnessing me being frankly hysterical

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<v Speaker 4>in the house after not having control of my own body,

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<v Speaker 4>which is still to this day and probably will be

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<v Speaker 4>for the rest of my life, the most bizarre thing

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<v Speaker 4>that's ever happened to me, and really strange, and no

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<v Speaker 4>explanation for it in any way, shape or form, and

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that it's never happened again. And I did

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<v Speaker 4>actually end up on those two meds I think about

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<v Speaker 4>a year later because I had side effects from my

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<v Speaker 4>knee not working out, but I didn't have that action again,

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<v Speaker 4>although I was quite worried about taking the meds, as

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<v Speaker 4>you can imagine after having such a weird effect. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not something I've often spoke of this and I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know why I reached out to you when I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I just you know, when you feel compelled to kind of.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk about it for the first time properly, that's kind

427
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<v Speaker 4>of what this was.

428
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<v Speaker 5>And it's usually that way. I get a lot of

429
00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:25.160
<v Speaker 5>emails like that. But it's very bizarre. I mean, of course,

430
00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:27.880
<v Speaker 5>you know you're you're taking meds, and you know what

431
00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:29.680
<v Speaker 5>meds can.

432
00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Do to you.

433
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<v Speaker 5>It's very bad. So you had your leg in a brace, yeah,

434
00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:39.880
<v Speaker 5>your stick and could you walk or were you kind

435
00:22:39.880 --> 00:22:40.640
<v Speaker 5>of just it.

436
00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:42.440
<v Speaker 4>Was kind of like a hobble. It was kind of

437
00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:44.880
<v Speaker 4>like a hobble, so it was my leg was swinging.

438
00:22:45.200 --> 00:22:48.039
<v Speaker 4>So what they've done is they did not just set it.

439
00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:50.559
<v Speaker 4>It wasn't it was fixed so it couldn't move, but

440
00:22:50.599 --> 00:22:52.559
<v Speaker 4>it was set certain it was slot.

441
00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:54.759
<v Speaker 1>I think it was like a slight angle. But this

442
00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:55.559
<v Speaker 1>is after an op.

443
00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:57.960
<v Speaker 4>So I'd add part of my hamstringer removed and put

444
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<v Speaker 4>into my knee. That's what they do for your acl

445
00:22:59.839 --> 00:23:03.119
<v Speaker 4>This ditched by mclop and obviously they do whatever they

446
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:03.880
<v Speaker 4>do to the miniscus.

447
00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:05.000
<v Speaker 1>They can't remember what they did to that.

448
00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:07.200
<v Speaker 4>I know they had to make some stitches around the back,

449
00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:09.759
<v Speaker 4>but it's quite a significant injury at the time. But

450
00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:12.720
<v Speaker 4>that's what meant this all the weirder, the fact that

451
00:23:12.759 --> 00:23:14.759
<v Speaker 4>I'm in that and I should be wincing in pain,

452
00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:17.519
<v Speaker 4>in a lot of pain. I shouldn't be weight bearing.

453
00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:19.680
<v Speaker 4>I've had a lot of accidents while there was in

454
00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:22.559
<v Speaker 4>that Neil knee brase. It was horrendous, but and I

455
00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:25.039
<v Speaker 4>was off work for a long time because obviously this

456
00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:28.440
<v Speaker 4>was around Covid area. It was sort of after the

457
00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:31.640
<v Speaker 4>first lockdown. When the first lockdown lifted, I went to

458
00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:34.119
<v Speaker 4>play football Weed, to play seven side at night, and

459
00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:36.400
<v Speaker 4>that's where i'd done this injury. So it was around

460
00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:39.039
<v Speaker 4>that sort of time after the first lockdown. So don't

461
00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:41.119
<v Speaker 4>quote me on the dates because it could be slightly off,

462
00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:44.839
<v Speaker 4>but because I still like trying to just trying to

463
00:23:44.839 --> 00:23:47.359
<v Speaker 4>get the dates in my head about when this actually happened.

464
00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:49.359
<v Speaker 4>But I know my son had not been born at

465
00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:51.640
<v Speaker 4>that point, and I tried to work it out, but

466
00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:53.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure I know that it.

467
00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:56.559
<v Speaker 1>Was after the first lockdown, so it was one of them.

468
00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:57.960
<v Speaker 1>It's one of the things.

469
00:23:58.200 --> 00:23:59.759
<v Speaker 5>That's hugely how it happens, isn't it.

470
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:04.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, my foot got stuck in the turf, so I'd

471
00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:06.440
<v Speaker 4>been wearing the wrong kind of studs and they locked

472
00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:08.680
<v Speaker 4>into the turf and my knee carried on traveling and

473
00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:11.000
<v Speaker 4>that's what And it just sounded like a tree branch snapping.

474
00:24:11.160 --> 00:24:13.960
<v Speaker 4>Was horrendous with a pain. Oh my god, I hope

475
00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:16.440
<v Speaker 4>I never got that ever again. I've stoppedlay football now

476
00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:19.119
<v Speaker 4>just due to that. I didn't ever want to feel

477
00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:21.960
<v Speaker 4>that again. And the risks and especially if you've had

478
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:24.400
<v Speaker 4>a graft, and I'm of you, but yeah, I must

479
00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:29.240
<v Speaker 4>admit to have the experience that it was the childhood

480
00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:31.160
<v Speaker 4>ones though you know, I'd put those in the back

481
00:24:31.160 --> 00:24:35.000
<v Speaker 4>of my head for so many years, and it's it's strange.

482
00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:38.480
<v Speaker 4>I'd kind of it was just around the time I

483
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:40.160
<v Speaker 4>sent because this is a month ago that I actually

484
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.960
<v Speaker 4>sent you that email, if I remember right, And around

485
00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:46.119
<v Speaker 4>that time, I'd just kind of been going through a

486
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:47.880
<v Speaker 4>lot of things in my mind, I know, you know,

487
00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:50.359
<v Speaker 4>when you just have those moments to think, and i'd

488
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:52.359
<v Speaker 4>had one. I'd just been thinking about all the strange

489
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:55.079
<v Speaker 4>experiences I had and started adding together and they might

490
00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:58.200
<v Speaker 4>not be related in any way, shape or form, but

491
00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:01.240
<v Speaker 4>when you've had straight ones all the way through your life,

492
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:03.119
<v Speaker 4>because I mean, there's so many more I could go through,

493
00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:06.200
<v Speaker 4>because there in between each one of these events, because

494
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:08.720
<v Speaker 4>I mean these events I'm looking here and you're talking

495
00:25:08.799 --> 00:25:11.119
<v Speaker 4>like sometimes ten years, five.

496
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Years, there's quite a short space of time between them.

497
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:15.640
<v Speaker 4>But in the grand scheme of things, it's not a

498
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:17.799
<v Speaker 4>short space of times quite long. But there were like

499
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:21.680
<v Speaker 4>little things in between. So like in the home, like

500
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:24.559
<v Speaker 4>if I was at home alone, I'd hear things getting

501
00:25:24.599 --> 00:25:27.079
<v Speaker 4>dragged about the house, like you know, like carrier bags

502
00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:30.480
<v Speaker 4>and things like that. Yeah, at that point, we're talking

503
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.640
<v Speaker 4>earlier than me having a dog. There's a stage where

504
00:25:32.680 --> 00:25:34.839
<v Speaker 4>it didn't have a dog. My dog wasn't pop my

505
00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:36.759
<v Speaker 4>partners at the time, you see, So it wasn't until

506
00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:38.279
<v Speaker 4>I met there that we had a dog in the house.

507
00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Before that we didn't.

508
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:41.920
<v Speaker 4>So and yet there was things like carrier bags getting

509
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:45.480
<v Speaker 4>dragged about or it's really strange, or like you just

510
00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:47.319
<v Speaker 4>hear like like coachs and things like that. You hear

511
00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:50.160
<v Speaker 4>and getting dragged across the floor. It was really strange,

512
00:25:50.359 --> 00:25:53.039
<v Speaker 4>but yet never saw anything. There were only two occasions

513
00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:56.680
<v Speaker 4>that I'd seen something. Was the shadow thing that i'd

514
00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:00.160
<v Speaker 4>seen in my later years and the shadows that I'd seen.

515
00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Earlier, years and years and years earlier.

516
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.599
<v Speaker 4>But I know it sounds stupid, you know. When that happened,

517
00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:10.200
<v Speaker 4>it was a bit weird. But I was young and thought, yeah, well,

518
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:13.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's probably nothing, because at that point it

519
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:18.079
<v Speaker 4>was very very skeptical, very skeptical, even after having experiences

520
00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:22.559
<v Speaker 4>prior to that, you know, very very skeptical. I'm not

521
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:25.480
<v Speaker 4>as skeptical now. I try and be more skeptical on myself.

522
00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:28.440
<v Speaker 4>I certainly do, and even thinking through this, I feel

523
00:26:28.519 --> 00:26:31.640
<v Speaker 4>mad even bringing it up. I really do, Especially the

524
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:34.240
<v Speaker 4>walking through the house thing. I thought I'd gone mad.

525
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.319
<v Speaker 4>I genuinely thought I'd gone mad. I clearly haven't gone

526
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:42.079
<v Speaker 4>mad because I'm saying, but it was. It was weird,

527
00:26:42.559 --> 00:26:43.160
<v Speaker 4>that's for sure.

528
00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:46.000
<v Speaker 5>Definitely a strange one. All right, So you're stood up, right,

529
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:48.319
<v Speaker 5>you're walking around, you're walking around the house, you go

530
00:26:48.319 --> 00:26:51.240
<v Speaker 5>into the fridge. How did your body feel? Could you

531
00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:53.880
<v Speaker 5>see from you know, straight from your eyes or no.

532
00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:56.640
<v Speaker 4>Right, I can see through my eyes. I'm not looking

533
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.720
<v Speaker 4>down my body or anything like that. I'm looking at

534
00:26:58.720 --> 00:26:59.440
<v Speaker 4>So imagine this.

535
00:26:59.640 --> 00:26:59.839
<v Speaker 1>And my.

536
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:03.680
<v Speaker 4>Waking up stood up, for one is a weird one,

537
00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:07.160
<v Speaker 4>but I know it sounds stupid. I felt the motion

538
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:10.759
<v Speaker 4>of standing up right, So imagine slipping off the bed

539
00:27:10.799 --> 00:27:14.000
<v Speaker 4>to a standing position from a seated position. That's the

540
00:27:14.039 --> 00:27:17.079
<v Speaker 4>bit that. That's the first recollection I have, so that

541
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:18.920
<v Speaker 4>the feeling of getting up and then all of a

542
00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 4>sudden my eyes open up as I'm stood up, So

543
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:24.759
<v Speaker 4>imagine that, and then I'm looking out and I'm thinking, ah,

544
00:27:24.920 --> 00:27:27.240
<v Speaker 4>why am I stood up? That's what was going through

545
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:29.559
<v Speaker 4>my head. I'm thinking why am I stood up? And

546
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:32.359
<v Speaker 4>then all of a sudden, I'm not telling my body

547
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:34.400
<v Speaker 4>to move, like we all just moved, don't we like

548
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:38.519
<v Speaker 4>if we move, we move. Well, I'm just in fear,

549
00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.079
<v Speaker 4>thinking what is going on? And then all of a sudden,

550
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:44.640
<v Speaker 4>my body just starts moving. Now you would say, well,

551
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 4>surely you did it. Yeah, I wish that was the case,

552
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:51.839
<v Speaker 4>but it wasn't the case at all, and I think

553
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:53.319
<v Speaker 4>that's why I got into a state of panic. I

554
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:55.240
<v Speaker 4>actually it's been a panic because like midway through this,

555
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:58.640
<v Speaker 4>and that's when I started shouting help, Help, Help, But

556
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:03.279
<v Speaker 4>then realize that sound coming out of my mouth was delayed.

557
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Well, it wasn't delayed.

558
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:07.720
<v Speaker 4>I could feel reverberations like I know I'm speaking, but

559
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:12.640
<v Speaker 4>I can't hear it instantly, and that was terrifying. That

560
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:15.839
<v Speaker 4>was the point that was really terrifying, was the delay.

561
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:20.480
<v Speaker 4>And you know, this is the best way of explaining it.

562
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:22.440
<v Speaker 4>You know, when you're making a call to someone and

563
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:24.079
<v Speaker 4>they've got your loud speaker in a car and you

564
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 4>can hear yourself, imagine only hearing that bit the bit

565
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.759
<v Speaker 4>that you can hear yourself, and it always throws you off,

566
00:28:31.799 --> 00:28:34.359
<v Speaker 4>doesn't It throws you off, and you think, oh my god,

567
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:36.400
<v Speaker 4>you need to turn that down because I can't hear himself.

568
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:39.119
<v Speaker 4>Think I can't gather my thoughts, I can't say things correctly,

569
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.359
<v Speaker 4>and you're start muddling your words and you'll say things wrong.

570
00:28:41.759 --> 00:28:44.039
<v Speaker 4>Well that's exactly what was happening. But all I could

571
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:46.720
<v Speaker 4>hear was this reflection. I couldn't hear my own voice,

572
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:48.240
<v Speaker 4>and as you can tell.

573
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.119
<v Speaker 1>By me speaking, I clearly like the sound of my

574
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>own voice.

575
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:55.279
<v Speaker 4>So I couldn't hear myself, that's for sure.

576
00:28:55.519 --> 00:29:00.319
<v Speaker 1>It was horrendous and yeah, but it was really strange.

577
00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:02.039
<v Speaker 4>And my partner didn't know how to console me at

578
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:04.599
<v Speaker 4>the time, or she was just starting there thinking what

579
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.039
<v Speaker 4>is this guy on about, and probably thought I was

580
00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:12.079
<v Speaker 4>a bit nutty, But fortunately I'm not. So it was

581
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:16.440
<v Speaker 4>an extremely scary experience, to say the least. When I

582
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:20.240
<v Speaker 4>spoke to professionals, she just said to me, look, we're

583
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:24.240
<v Speaker 4>looking at your mental health and we're in a place

584
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:28.519
<v Speaker 4>where so I was an outpatient in a place in Yorkshire.

585
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:30.559
<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to say the actual place, but in

586
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:34.480
<v Speaker 4>that place you can be sectioned there And she basically

587
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:37.480
<v Speaker 4>hinted now, I did this off record a lot of

588
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:40.240
<v Speaker 4>my conversation. She was actually a UNI student at the

589
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:43.119
<v Speaker 4>time and she was doing a masters and she was

590
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:46.640
<v Speaker 4>learning to do what we were doing, and she was

591
00:29:46.680 --> 00:29:48.559
<v Speaker 4>recording things to take back to union. She'd asked me

592
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:50.720
<v Speaker 4>that morning, can I ask FUM permission? She had to

593
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:53.160
<v Speaker 4>ask every single time, and then said this particular one.

594
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:56.039
<v Speaker 4>I said, can we not today? There's something I want

595
00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:58.839
<v Speaker 4>to divulge. First, that's absolutely fine, And then we went

596
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:00.799
<v Speaker 4>into it because I've been really, really frightened by it

597
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:03.480
<v Speaker 4>and I thought I needed to question it because I'm

598
00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 4>quite proactive in my moment off That's why I went originally,

599
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.200
<v Speaker 4>and I wanted to know, like, are you slipping through

600
00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:10.759
<v Speaker 4>the cracks here?

601
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:11.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you need a better help?

602
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.599
<v Speaker 4>Do you need more than you get in and to

603
00:30:14.640 --> 00:30:18.400
<v Speaker 4>get Basically, someone said, look, I actually believe you, Liam, but.

604
00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.519
<v Speaker 1>You need to keep this to yourself. I'm sorry, but

605
00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 1>don't please don't bring this up.

606
00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:26.599
<v Speaker 4>Because I told her I've been to GP and they went, look,

607
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:28.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, I'll be honest with you.

608
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:30.599
<v Speaker 1>What you're explaining, that's that's not.

609
00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:35.319
<v Speaker 4>A medication issue, which was quite strange to have someone

610
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:38.359
<v Speaker 4>in a profession like that say what they say. But yeah,

611
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:42.680
<v Speaker 4>in regards to GP, they certainly they just the only

612
00:30:42.720 --> 00:30:45.480
<v Speaker 4>thing they could say was do you think you might

613
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:47.880
<v Speaker 4>have slept walked? And I thought, well, do you remember

614
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:50.720
<v Speaker 4>when you sleepwalk? I don't know, Maybe I need to

615
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.759
<v Speaker 4>research that. But people that I know that do sleep walk,

616
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.160
<v Speaker 4>because I know two people, they say they never even

617
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:58.079
<v Speaker 4>know they've done it. It's filled the people that know

618
00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:00.400
<v Speaker 4>that they've done it. Whereas I know you what was

619
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:02.799
<v Speaker 4>going on. I was fully aware, my eyes are open.

620
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.480
<v Speaker 4>Now bear this in mind. I've never been known for

621
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:07.640
<v Speaker 4>sleep walking all the way through my life. I've never

622
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.359
<v Speaker 4>done it since I've never done it before ever slight walked.

623
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:13.319
<v Speaker 4>I do snore, I do grunt in my sleep, I

624
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:15.799
<v Speaker 4>sometimes talk in my sleep, but I certainly don't walk,

625
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:20.559
<v Speaker 4>and that's never happened at all. And this particular example

626
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:26.160
<v Speaker 4>so strange. God, it's so strange. I hope, actually, out

627
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.359
<v Speaker 4>of everything, I actually hope.

628
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.039
<v Speaker 1>That it is the meds, that it's a mixture.

629
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:33.400
<v Speaker 4>Of neproxy and and tramad all or whatever I was

630
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.720
<v Speaker 4>on for the pain, and that that just sent my

631
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.880
<v Speaker 4>brain crazy for five.

632
00:31:38.640 --> 00:31:40.440
<v Speaker 1>Minutes, and that's what it actually was.

633
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:44.960
<v Speaker 4>But considering two weeks prior, I had these strange experiences

634
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:46.720
<v Speaker 4>with the shadow thing.

635
00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Which I still can't explain to this day.

636
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:54.720
<v Speaker 4>I mean, there is another bit where in between two

637
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:58.000
<v Speaker 4>of these things, So I mean, I forgot to put

638
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<v Speaker 4>this in, so you might want to add this. But

639
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:03.440
<v Speaker 4>there was one experience that wasn't my own, but I

640
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:08.680
<v Speaker 4>will bring it up. So when I told you about

641
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:11.480
<v Speaker 4>the house that I lived in, and I had got

642
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:13.599
<v Speaker 4>my friend to come and live with me, and we'd

643
00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 4>added this experience with the footsteps and it comes down

644
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:17.440
<v Speaker 4>the stairs and it hits the door.

645
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:20.720
<v Speaker 1>I remember going to my mum's.

646
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.480
<v Speaker 4>For about a couple of days, and then when I

647
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<v Speaker 4>came back home. What my mum and dad reported is

648
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:31.000
<v Speaker 4>that night that i'd left, they were both in bed

649
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:33.599
<v Speaker 4>and they heard footsteps come all the way up the

650
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:37.000
<v Speaker 4>stairs right to the foot of the bed, and the

651
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:40.680
<v Speaker 4>footsteps never moved again, and they were sighting fear all

652
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:45.519
<v Speaker 4>night long. And that was someone else's experience, not mine,

653
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:47.839
<v Speaker 4>But that was after me going to their house after

654
00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:52.160
<v Speaker 4>having a bad experience at my own house. So I

655
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.400
<v Speaker 4>have spoken, and this is going to sound proper cocoon now,

656
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 4>but maybe not so on your channel.

657
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:01.440
<v Speaker 1>No, offense. But I do listen to channel. I've heard

658
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 1>it all.

659
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:04.359
<v Speaker 4>But at the same point, i'd been to a what

660
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:08.240
<v Speaker 4>is referred to as like a medium lady. Well she'd

661
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.680
<v Speaker 4>come out towards Funnily enough, i'd reached out during the course,

662
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:14.559
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't going to bring this up.

663
00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:15.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't know why.

664
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.119
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of things that I didn't want to

665
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:18.519
<v Speaker 4>bring up because I didn't want to sound.

666
00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.079
<v Speaker 1>I don't know crazy. I suppose I feel crazy with

667
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 1>all this. I really do. I'm quite skeptical.

668
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:26.319
<v Speaker 4>I try and be level headed about all this, but

669
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:28.400
<v Speaker 4>I can only say it as I see it, and

670
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.519
<v Speaker 4>what's what I've actually been through. But the medium that

671
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:33.920
<v Speaker 4>came out, I explained that when I was a kid.

672
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.559
<v Speaker 4>So this is where another curve ball throw it again.

673
00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:38.920
<v Speaker 4>So you know, like I said, there was a lad

674
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:41.200
<v Speaker 4>living next door in the semi detached I nonsense or

675
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:41.599
<v Speaker 4>a kid.

676
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:44.480
<v Speaker 1>He'd had me messed with a Wiji board at a

677
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:45.559
<v Speaker 1>very very young age.

678
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:47.799
<v Speaker 4>I didn't know what it was brought up in cotton

679
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.720
<v Speaker 4>Wall as we all know, as I've said, and it

680
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 4>did move. I didn't think much of it. I didn't

681
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:54.920
<v Speaker 4>even know what he was there to do. And that

682
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 4>sounds crazy, but I didn't. And she'd asked me i'd ever,

683
00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:02.119
<v Speaker 4>and I just said, well, yeah I did. Actually it

684
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:04.759
<v Speaker 4>was when I was very very young. She said, well,

685
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.360
<v Speaker 4>did you close it off right? And I said, well,

686
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 4>what do you mean? And obviously didn't even know what

687
00:34:10.440 --> 00:34:12.440
<v Speaker 4>we'd done. I didn't even know what we'd done. She

688
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.039
<v Speaker 4>believed that we'd left something open, maybe it had come

689
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:18.159
<v Speaker 4>through and it was following or attached to me. I

690
00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:20.239
<v Speaker 4>don't know for sure whether that's true. I don't know

691
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:24.360
<v Speaker 4>whether she were a Charlattan or what brought. To be

692
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:26.840
<v Speaker 4>honest with you, Even after seeing her, things continued to

693
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:28.920
<v Speaker 4>happen in the household after and she did this weird

694
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:31.440
<v Speaker 4>ritual thing which she burnt stage around me, and I

695
00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:33.159
<v Speaker 4>did this like spudgeing thing around me.

696
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.079
<v Speaker 5>One Life, One Story a podcast about real people and

697
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.519
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698
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.719
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699
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:54.320
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700
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:58.000
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701
00:34:58.079 --> 00:34:59.760
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702
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703
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:06.159
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, it's it's it's a

706
00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 4>weird one. The entire thing has been a strange one

707
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.360
<v Speaker 4>for me in any way, shape or form. But yeah,

708
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.360
<v Speaker 4>that's pretty much it. It's not in chronological orders. I

709
00:35:29.400 --> 00:35:30.639
<v Speaker 4>can only apologize, Nick.

710
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:33.639
<v Speaker 5>You don't just great, don't worry. I mean things can

711
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.440
<v Speaker 5>be linked or they could not. Feel they could just

712
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 5>be separate, separate things. I will put up call like,

713
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:43.039
<v Speaker 5>because there is a lot of people who's listening to

714
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:47.559
<v Speaker 5>this show, some medical professionals and in certain fields which

715
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:51.079
<v Speaker 5>I've add zero expertise on. So if anyone out there

716
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:55.880
<v Speaker 5>has experienced something like Jonathan has just said about, be

717
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:58.280
<v Speaker 5>it standing up, walking around the house, going to the

718
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.639
<v Speaker 5>fridge again, he was on medication, so that there's always

719
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:04.639
<v Speaker 5>a possibility that that could be linked. But if anyone

720
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.119
<v Speaker 5>knows anything about this or have heard, you know, do

721
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.320
<v Speaker 5>get in contact, even just to put Jonathan's mind at rest,

722
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:11.639
<v Speaker 5>because it is a strange one.

723
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:15.199
<v Speaker 1>That one. I mean, to be fair, I am at

724
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:17.159
<v Speaker 1>rest now, don't get me wrong. I mean, luckily it's

725
00:36:17.199 --> 00:36:17.920
<v Speaker 1>that happened again.

726
00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:19.679
<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's such a strange thing to do, isn't

727
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.960
<v Speaker 4>it go to the fridge. But I think it's more

728
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:24.679
<v Speaker 4>of a case of questioning whether you're asleep, and that's strange.

729
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:26.559
<v Speaker 1>But it's like a thing where you sit there and

730
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.480
<v Speaker 1>you go, am I asleep? Is this a dream?

731
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:32.679
<v Speaker 4>Because everything was very bizarre, and then when you realize,

732
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:35.400
<v Speaker 4>hang on, and it's almost like pinching yourself. That's essentially

733
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.840
<v Speaker 4>why I know I definitely reached for the drink. That

734
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:39.679
<v Speaker 4>was me, that tomasolved to reach for the drink. I

735
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:42.840
<v Speaker 4>took the drink, but prior to that, none of them

736
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:46.639
<v Speaker 4>them actions were mean. And then after that to have

737
00:36:46.719 --> 00:36:51.400
<v Speaker 4>this disconnect between sound and not being able to hear

738
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.199
<v Speaker 4>what I'm actually saying until the reflection comes back, which

739
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:57.000
<v Speaker 4>is so strange, so strange.

740
00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:58.800
<v Speaker 5>I mean, yeah, I mean the brain can be very complex.

741
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.800
<v Speaker 5>I mean, look at how we drive. You know, we

742
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:03.159
<v Speaker 5>don't even we don't even think about it, so you know,

743
00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:04.760
<v Speaker 5>we could, we could do that kind of thing, but

744
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:07.800
<v Speaker 5>that the shear fact that you know, you weren't in control,

745
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.599
<v Speaker 5>and that's probably my biggest fear is not being in

746
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.440
<v Speaker 5>control of your own body. And yeah, you don't know

747
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.960
<v Speaker 5>what could have happened. Something could have gone quite bad.

748
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:18.280
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, there is that. There is that. I mean,

749
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:20.199
<v Speaker 1>I never really thought about it that way, to be honest.

750
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.880
<v Speaker 4>I think the weird thing for me was sort of

751
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.599
<v Speaker 4>that two to three week period where there were strange

752
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:29.480
<v Speaker 4>things that had happened around the time. They felt very

753
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:31.280
<v Speaker 4>linked to me at the time, whether or not they

754
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:33.800
<v Speaker 4>actually are. They might be, They might be linked in

755
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:37.239
<v Speaker 4>the respect of I might be having some serious hallucinations

756
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:39.840
<v Speaker 4>for medication I was having, but the fact that a

757
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.920
<v Speaker 4>dog had witnessed it in respect of his reactions to

758
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:43.320
<v Speaker 4>what was.

759
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Above him that helped him pain.

760
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.159
<v Speaker 4>So just like little things where you sit and you

761
00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:50.199
<v Speaker 4>go well, it's hard to say.

762
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 1>Don't get me wrong, I'm very skeptical now.

763
00:37:52.039 --> 00:37:54.920
<v Speaker 4>I've been all this time and very reluctant to share

764
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:56.920
<v Speaker 4>my story with many people, and now I'm doing it

765
00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:57.840
<v Speaker 4>on a much bigger stage.

766
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:00.559
<v Speaker 1>It might not be the best of ideas, but I've

767
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:01.920
<v Speaker 1>given it a go either way.

768
00:38:02.159 --> 00:38:04.280
<v Speaker 5>No, this is the perfect place to do it. You know,

769
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:07.639
<v Speaker 5>we all have strange experiences, and there's nowhere always isn't

770
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:09.880
<v Speaker 5>always places we can tell, you know, we can always

771
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.440
<v Speaker 5>tell our family members. We can always tell our partners,

772
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:15.280
<v Speaker 5>you know, so sometimes we just need a little outlet.

773
00:38:15.440 --> 00:38:17.119
<v Speaker 5>And so this is in fact, this is probably the

774
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:20.320
<v Speaker 5>perfect place for your Jonathan, did you a lot of

775
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.760
<v Speaker 5>the earliest stuff that happened had had these Had it

776
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.039
<v Speaker 5>always been something going on in every house you lived

777
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:29.280
<v Speaker 5>or was it kind of sporadic.

778
00:38:29.079 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 4>Every house I lived in, every single house I lived in?

779
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:36.599
<v Speaker 1>Was this something now? It would it? Would it be?

780
00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:38.679
<v Speaker 1>It's never, it was never hardly over the same thing.

781
00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:42.159
<v Speaker 4>The only thing that remained constant for about was it

782
00:38:42.199 --> 00:38:44.280
<v Speaker 4>about three years that it went on was that whole

783
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.159
<v Speaker 4>weird dreams thing of getting pinto the roof. That's the

784
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.559
<v Speaker 4>only thing that was recurring in regards to anything else.

785
00:38:49.559 --> 00:38:53.599
<v Speaker 4>But always like different things like if it'd be sort

786
00:38:53.639 --> 00:38:57.679
<v Speaker 4>of like shadows and then it would be like I

787
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:01.039
<v Speaker 4>remember one time been in the show hour and the

788
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:03.119
<v Speaker 4>door handle moving and things like that. That was in

789
00:39:03.159 --> 00:39:05.480
<v Speaker 4>a different house, and but yet no one else was

790
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:10.360
<v Speaker 4>on me, And just like weird things, like really strange things,

791
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:11.400
<v Speaker 4>not stuff.

792
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:13.199
<v Speaker 1>I usually try and.

793
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:16.400
<v Speaker 4>Talk about people to be honest, because I must admit

794
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.519
<v Speaker 4>I have spoken to people before. My close friends witnessed

795
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:25.840
<v Speaker 4>some of it. So they believe me. Especially one of

796
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:28.159
<v Speaker 4>our very good friends that was in the bandroom that

797
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:30.480
<v Speaker 4>I spilled still speak to you to this day, although

798
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:33.400
<v Speaker 4>he doesn't know I'm coming on this podcast. He witnessed

799
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:36.480
<v Speaker 4>the footstep thing, and he refers to it as chicken

800
00:39:36.519 --> 00:39:40.760
<v Speaker 4>foot jokingly for reasons unknown to me. It's something to

801
00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:43.679
<v Speaker 4>do with paranormal activity and some weird dust on the

802
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:44.519
<v Speaker 4>floor that they put down.

803
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:46.360
<v Speaker 1>You see the footprints and things like that. He just

804
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:47.199
<v Speaker 1>because like that.

805
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:49.559
<v Speaker 4>He tries to joke it off, but he certainly knows

806
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 4>what happened in that house.

807
00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.559
<v Speaker 1>And he always asked me, as.

808
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.960
<v Speaker 4>Chicken foot ever doing anything, And I'm like, well, maybe

809
00:39:56.039 --> 00:39:58.360
<v Speaker 4>did this, or he maybe did that, and I'll obviously

810
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:02.639
<v Speaker 4>explain what's happened and he laughs. But to me, it's

811
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.679
<v Speaker 4>it's strange because it still creeps me out. It's never

812
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.760
<v Speaker 4>I've never been comfortable with it. Every time, there's been

813
00:40:09.760 --> 00:40:14.360
<v Speaker 4>something that's always creeped me out, aside from obviously those dreams,

814
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:18.920
<v Speaker 4>because that's not something that at the time I would

815
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:21.800
<v Speaker 4>have ever thought of sort of like a paranormal and

816
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:23.440
<v Speaker 4>I'm not saying they are, by the way, let me

817
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 4>be quite clear.

818
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:25.800
<v Speaker 1>That might be just dreams.

819
00:40:26.039 --> 00:40:29.760
<v Speaker 4>It might be just dreams, but the fact that I

820
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:33.559
<v Speaker 4>just I struggled to come to terms with dreaming about

821
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:37.000
<v Speaker 4>something that I couldn't comprehend at the time at that age,

822
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.239
<v Speaker 4>wouldn't have been able to comprehend the idea of it,

823
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:40.840
<v Speaker 4>never mind dream it.

824
00:40:40.880 --> 00:40:41.800
<v Speaker 1>If that makes sense.

825
00:40:42.079 --> 00:40:45.400
<v Speaker 4>I've never seen anything they're related to that sort of thing.

826
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:49.360
<v Speaker 4>So as you can probably tell, I've done a lot

827
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.559
<v Speaker 4>of thinking and still do a lot of thinking about

828
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:56.320
<v Speaker 4>it all, and it's still weirds me out all of it,

829
00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:57.400
<v Speaker 4>to be honest.

830
00:40:57.480 --> 00:40:58.760
<v Speaker 1>The less weird one out of all of them.

831
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:00.639
<v Speaker 4>It was the three lights in this we should think

832
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 4>out of all of it, that would be the weird one.

833
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.559
<v Speaker 4>But that wasn't the weirdest one, and you.

834
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:08.599
<v Speaker 1>Think it would be. It was enough to freet your

835
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:11.639
<v Speaker 1>dad out, though, Yeah, but not me. I'm there wanting

836
00:41:11.679 --> 00:41:13.480
<v Speaker 1>to follow it, and he's going, no to be home

837
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:14.519
<v Speaker 1>right now. I want to go.

838
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:17.039
<v Speaker 4>He did not want to follow that, but he did

839
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:19.079
<v Speaker 4>say it's seen something else. But he spoke to my

840
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:21.559
<v Speaker 4>mom about that in confidence, but it was on his own.

841
00:41:21.800 --> 00:41:23.840
<v Speaker 4>Whereas this is me and him in a car together.

842
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.599
<v Speaker 4>We're seeing it together, so I know I'm not going

843
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.559
<v Speaker 4>mad once again. I can physically see it in front

844
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:31.199
<v Speaker 4>of me, Like, could it have been helicopters?

845
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:32.519
<v Speaker 1>No, not at that speed.

846
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:35.199
<v Speaker 4>The amount of sky that it traveled in shut a

847
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:36.159
<v Speaker 4>short space of time.

848
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:38.280
<v Speaker 1>We're talking seconds that it went across.

849
00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:42.000
<v Speaker 4>The entire landscape that I could see, which was quite

850
00:41:42.039 --> 00:41:45.480
<v Speaker 4>a lot, was vast. And yeah, god, I've never even

851
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.679
<v Speaker 4>seen a plane move that fast. Think about when we've

852
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:50.599
<v Speaker 4>seen planes move and you can sit there and watch

853
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:51.400
<v Speaker 4>a plane for quite.

854
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:53.679
<v Speaker 1>Some time for the seconds and seconds and second. This

855
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 1>is a lot shorter than that. It's a lot quicker.

856
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:57.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it was.

857
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.599
<v Speaker 4>It moved at a really fast rate, stayed in perfect formation,

858
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:03.239
<v Speaker 4>and you would think, out of all of them, that

859
00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.480
<v Speaker 4>would be the weird one. And like I said, no,

860
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:08.119
<v Speaker 4>the weirdest one is not having controlling your own body.

861
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.199
<v Speaker 4>That is the most terrifying one out of all of them.

862
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:11.360
<v Speaker 4>But I don't know that the linked.

863
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:13.639
<v Speaker 1>They might not be. It's just some strange.

864
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.280
<v Speaker 4>Experiences that I've had through my life, and you know,

865
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:19.519
<v Speaker 4>it might make someone laugh or creep them out at

866
00:42:19.599 --> 00:42:21.480
<v Speaker 4>later nights that I don't really know so.

867
00:42:21.800 --> 00:42:24.119
<v Speaker 5>Well, I'll be interested in knowing if you know, if

868
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:26.800
<v Speaker 5>you ever do get any more details from your dad,

869
00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.480
<v Speaker 5>if you know, if it's seen something before, and you know,

870
00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:31.119
<v Speaker 5>why does that make him react in that way.

871
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 4>The only thing, the only thing he ever said to

872
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:36.840
<v Speaker 4>me that apparently there were more, But the only thing

873
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.639
<v Speaker 4>he ever said to me was that outside of our

874
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:43.360
<v Speaker 4>house he'd seen a big ball of fire and it

875
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.039
<v Speaker 4>was low and we're not talking to Chinese lantern. That's

876
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:50.400
<v Speaker 4>what he'd seen and it moved in a weird way

877
00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 4>and he ran back in the house. And that was

878
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:57.239
<v Speaker 4>before we'd been and seen the three lights, so it

879
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:00.960
<v Speaker 4>was prior, but he did not mentioned to This was

880
00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:03.960
<v Speaker 4>probably about six months after I had turned back to

881
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:06.360
<v Speaker 4>my mum and said, as my dad, actually, like, has

882
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:08.800
<v Speaker 4>he even told you what we've seen? Because I was

883
00:43:08.800 --> 00:43:10.599
<v Speaker 4>trying to recollect it, and she went, oh, yeah, he

884
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:14.199
<v Speaker 4>told me, I said, right, She went, but did he

885
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:17.000
<v Speaker 4>tell you about what he'd seen months before? And that's

886
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:19.800
<v Speaker 4>when I found out about about what he'd seen prior.

887
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.280
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, I mean, I didn't seek my own eyes,

888
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.599
<v Speaker 4>so I can't, you know, validate in any way, shape

889
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:28.280
<v Speaker 4>or formance. I think that's probably what I suppose annoyed him,

890
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:30.280
<v Speaker 4>because no one was with him at the time.

891
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:31.039
<v Speaker 1>It's on his own.

892
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.280
<v Speaker 4>And when you're on your own, I don't know, you

893
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:34.719
<v Speaker 4>always seek validation, don't you.

894
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:36.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I do you know when you're trying to like.

895
00:43:36.519 --> 00:43:39.679
<v Speaker 4>Sort of sit there and say, is this truly like

896
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:43.199
<v Speaker 4>what I'm seeing? Am I getting this wrong? Trying to

897
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:46.119
<v Speaker 4>make sense or something? But yeah, he wouldn't have bad that.

898
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:47.960
<v Speaker 4>And then but when we're together and he's getting it,

899
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:50.119
<v Speaker 4>we out there watching it, and he's going, I certainly

900
00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:51.559
<v Speaker 4>don't want to follow that, and I'm going I do.

901
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:53.039
<v Speaker 4>I want to see it. I want to see if

902
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:55.000
<v Speaker 4>I'm what I'm seeing. I want to know what I'm seeing.

903
00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:58.360
<v Speaker 4>I shouldn't have wanted to know what I'm seeing. Yeah,

904
00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.079
<v Speaker 4>we definitely did adapted, that's for sure.

905
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:03.800
<v Speaker 5>And you know in your early childhood where you were seven,

906
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.880
<v Speaker 5>seven eight years old? Yeah, did you ever tell your

907
00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:09.960
<v Speaker 5>parents about those those occurrencies?

908
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Right? Okay? So yes?

909
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.039
<v Speaker 4>And now the house was very turbulent for years and

910
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:18.000
<v Speaker 4>years and years. And I do bear that in mind

911
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:23.039
<v Speaker 4>when it comes down to whether these dreams were dreams,

912
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:27.360
<v Speaker 4>I do do wonder, but they I missed this bit.

913
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.559
<v Speaker 4>I did have it one more time, miss, Sorry mate,

914
00:44:30.599 --> 00:44:32.519
<v Speaker 4>I missed this bit. I did have you know, like

915
00:44:32.559 --> 00:44:34.079
<v Speaker 4>I said, i'd had it one more time, and I

916
00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:37.239
<v Speaker 4>forgot to tell you, so i'd had it so well.

917
00:44:37.079 --> 00:44:39.079
<v Speaker 1>This would have been chrominous man.

918
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:42.639
<v Speaker 4>At this time, I'd said, probably about twenty seventeen, I'd

919
00:44:42.639 --> 00:44:45.239
<v Speaker 4>had it one more time. I've never had it since,

920
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:48.039
<v Speaker 4>but that was the last time I had it. But

921
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:52.000
<v Speaker 4>I didn't on this particular occasion, on this particular dream,

922
00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:53.960
<v Speaker 4>when I woke up, I was actually back, I was

923
00:44:53.960 --> 00:44:56.159
<v Speaker 4>in my bed. I was still in my bed, but

924
00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:59.079
<v Speaker 4>I'd had the same thing happen again, but I'd not

925
00:44:59.159 --> 00:44:59.679
<v Speaker 4>ended up at.

926
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:02.280
<v Speaker 1>The side of bed. Oh yeah, that was the last

927
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:03.000
<v Speaker 1>time that i'd had that.

928
00:45:03.119 --> 00:45:06.599
<v Speaker 4>But at the time I didn't really speak that much

929
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.840
<v Speaker 4>because things were turbulent at home. Things like that weren't

930
00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:13.519
<v Speaker 4>a big good conversation topic of that makes sense.

931
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:15.639
<v Speaker 1>But that was something that we spoke of later in life.

932
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:17.880
<v Speaker 4>So me and my mum had sat down and had

933
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:21.039
<v Speaker 4>you know, a lot of heart to hearts in moderation

934
00:45:21.119 --> 00:45:24.239
<v Speaker 4>with things like this, and she'd explained to experiences she

935
00:45:24.360 --> 00:45:28.599
<v Speaker 4>had in specific houses, one being the house with the stairs,

936
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:32.440
<v Speaker 4>so the stairs were recurring theme. My mum had been

937
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 4>decorating that particular house because she'd owned the house, so

938
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:39.480
<v Speaker 4>she owned it, moved out, but another house I rented

939
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.480
<v Speaker 4>it off her. It was her second property at that

940
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:44.559
<v Speaker 4>particular point. But what she said had happened was when

941
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.840
<v Speaker 4>she was decorating their house. It was like it's it's

942
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:52.039
<v Speaker 4>a council house. So you go up like your stairs,

943
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:54.199
<v Speaker 4>it stops and then it goes in a different direction,

944
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.639
<v Speaker 4>and there's always that like platform, bit isn't there, and

945
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:59.039
<v Speaker 4>then it changes direction to the right. So she's on

946
00:45:59.079 --> 00:46:02.800
<v Speaker 4>that platform when two ladder stair thing, and she said

947
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:05.480
<v Speaker 4>she felt two hands push her back in her back,

948
00:46:05.719 --> 00:46:07.760
<v Speaker 4>and she fell forward and went down the stairs. And

949
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.280
<v Speaker 4>as she's going down, she grabs the banister. And that's

950
00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:13.760
<v Speaker 4>so different, you know, getting severe in severely injured. I

951
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:15.199
<v Speaker 4>think she might have pulled a few muscles, but that

952
00:46:15.239 --> 00:46:18.199
<v Speaker 4>were it. Nothing dramatic. I didn't actually know that it

953
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:21.519
<v Speaker 4>actually happened, but she told me about that, and that

954
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:23.360
<v Speaker 4>had happened in that house. And it's bizarre that you

955
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.480
<v Speaker 4>should say about these stairs and it coming down the stairs,

956
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.280
<v Speaker 4>and I told her about that. So it's strange because

957
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:33.039
<v Speaker 4>maybe if we had talked a little bit more, because

958
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.280
<v Speaker 4>we didn't until late life. Really a lot of us

959
00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:37.559
<v Speaker 4>just kind of didn't speak about it, and my dad

960
00:46:37.559 --> 00:46:39.639
<v Speaker 4>certainly didn't want to speak about things that he'd seen.

961
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:41.960
<v Speaker 4>But I am led to believe that he'd had some

962
00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:44.599
<v Speaker 4>strange experiences for years and years and years of which

963
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:47.559
<v Speaker 4>I don't know enough detail, that's for sure. I'd have

964
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:49.639
<v Speaker 4>to go and ask my mum get more detail.

965
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:51.960
<v Speaker 5>I was the same. I grew up in counter houses,

966
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:54.760
<v Speaker 5>and we lived in some places a lot of weird stuff,

967
00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:57.079
<v Speaker 5>and a lot of things can happen in houses, and

968
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.239
<v Speaker 5>a lot of these energies get carried over and some

969
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:03.280
<v Speaker 5>could be very grim. We certainly lived as a very

970
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:04.719
<v Speaker 5>grim property as asked for sure.

971
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:07.400
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean the thing was like, it's a really

972
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 4>nice property. It's just it had a feeling. He did

973
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:12.119
<v Speaker 4>have a feeling. I remember when we first moved in,

974
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:14.840
<v Speaker 4>and it had a really weird feeling in that house,

975
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.159
<v Speaker 4>a really weird thing and unsettling feeling. And I'm not

976
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:22.719
<v Speaker 4>usually one for that, but well I wasn't at the time.

977
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.519
<v Speaker 4>I probably i'm more so now. I Mean, it's just

978
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.800
<v Speaker 4>one of those things, and it's it's life. It's life.

979
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:29.960
<v Speaker 4>You get older, you look back at things and you

980
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:32.000
<v Speaker 4>start to make sense of things. I mean that the

981
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:35.480
<v Speaker 4>childhood thing. I bring that up now, and yet sort

982
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.000
<v Speaker 4>of five, six, seven years ago, I probably wouldn't be

983
00:47:38.119 --> 00:47:40.960
<v Speaker 4>spoken about that. I won't thought about it. I wouldn't

984
00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:42.480
<v Speaker 4>have thought about it, even though it had happened again,

985
00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:44.440
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't have thought thought about I thought, that's just

986
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:47.800
<v Speaker 4>a dream. But yeah, it's weird, and it probably is

987
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:50.480
<v Speaker 4>just a dream. But then you're sitting and think about it.

988
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:53.800
<v Speaker 4>That's a bit of a weird dream, considering that you.

989
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:56.679
<v Speaker 5>Came to the ceiling. Yeah, did you remember feeling the

990
00:47:56.719 --> 00:47:57.960
<v Speaker 5>ceiling or anything like that?

991
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.559
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, my hands.

992
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:01.320
<v Speaker 3>You know.

993
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:03.119
<v Speaker 4>The weird thing is, you know you're going to say

994
00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:04.920
<v Speaker 4>that's right, you know, when you hear about people have

995
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:06.079
<v Speaker 4>been hit.

996
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 1>I've always been tempted but scared to do it. And

997
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't even know.

998
00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:13.280
<v Speaker 4>If you can have it, whether that's actually a thing

999
00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.840
<v Speaker 4>that's something I probably should do. I would imagine, if imagine,

1000
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 4>if it's not a dream, I wouldn't really I don't

1001
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:21.440
<v Speaker 4>think i'd go with that very well.

1002
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:24.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't think i'd go with it. There's some things that.

1003
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.880
<v Speaker 4>You shouldn't know, or that that certain people shouldn't know,

1004
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:28.480
<v Speaker 4>and that for me.

1005
00:48:28.719 --> 00:48:30.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I should know.

1006
00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.159
<v Speaker 4>I think I should go to my grave thinking that

1007
00:48:33.159 --> 00:48:36.480
<v Speaker 4>that was just a dream. It's just a dream, there's

1008
00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:38.880
<v Speaker 4>nothing more to it. But yes, I did feel the roof,

1009
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:42.480
<v Speaker 4>I did feel the ceiling. I did, and I heard

1010
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:46.239
<v Speaker 4>that weird Grael thing. It's kind even depict it. It's

1011
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:50.519
<v Speaker 4>very very strange, not like a dog growl at all.

1012
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.119
<v Speaker 4>It was weird, very deep. I've always thought about it

1013
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:56.960
<v Speaker 4>and thought, you know, should I try and recollect things

1014
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.480
<v Speaker 4>and things like that? You know, you see a lot

1015
00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:02.719
<v Speaker 4>of it in the films and stuff. But I don't

1016
00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:04.960
<v Speaker 4>even know if that's even a genuine thing where that

1017
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:08.559
<v Speaker 4>can be done. But like I said, some things you

1018
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:12.400
<v Speaker 4>just shouldn't know. And I don't know whether i'd react

1019
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:15.000
<v Speaker 4>very well, but I'd probably upset me quite a bit

1020
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.400
<v Speaker 4>to think that if it was something bad, like God

1021
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:21.559
<v Speaker 4>for bid, I'd rather just be a dream in my mind.

1022
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.159
<v Speaker 4>I just bring it up because it's interesting, you know,

1023
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:25.880
<v Speaker 4>and it genuinely happened.

1024
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.719
<v Speaker 5>Well in my edit, did you always hear the ground?

1025
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:33.639
<v Speaker 4>Yes, every single time, in fact, weirdly, so you know,

1026
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.159
<v Speaker 4>this is all I can recollect. So just imagine being

1027
00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:43.239
<v Speaker 4>in bed waking up being too afraid to move, terrified,

1028
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:45.519
<v Speaker 4>not being able to scream, not being able to shout.

1029
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:49.199
<v Speaker 1>And then because the covers came with me.

1030
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:52.840
<v Speaker 4>The covers were always found on the floor, and I

1031
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:55.599
<v Speaker 4>was next next to the bed on the floor, so

1032
00:49:55.639 --> 00:49:56.800
<v Speaker 4>the covers had come up with me.

1033
00:49:58.039 --> 00:50:00.519
<v Speaker 1>Did they drift off me? And whatever you I felt it.

1034
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:02.639
<v Speaker 4>So I was very conscious of the feeling, like so

1035
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:06.079
<v Speaker 4>you know, like being mindful as such, so you can

1036
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:08.880
<v Speaker 4>feel stuff. So I do remember the touch of things,

1037
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:12.639
<v Speaker 4>so like the feeling my blanket coming off, the feeling

1038
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.480
<v Speaker 4>of my finger tips touching the ceiling, because I would

1039
00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:20.400
<v Speaker 4>be facing the ceiling, so I imagine going up and

1040
00:50:20.480 --> 00:50:23.360
<v Speaker 4>facing the ceiling, not not with your back to the roof,

1041
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:27.880
<v Speaker 4>with your face to the roof. But then I don't

1042
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:31.599
<v Speaker 4>have any recollection of getting to the floor. I only

1043
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:33.480
<v Speaker 4>get the bit going up to the roof, and then

1044
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:37.079
<v Speaker 4>I wake up on the floor. So there's nothing in between.

1045
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.760
<v Speaker 4>And I've always tried to think you remember something in between.

1046
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:44.000
<v Speaker 4>There's nothing in between, so then I can't pin it together.

1047
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:46.639
<v Speaker 4>It's it's still a dream, isn't it. Because it's a

1048
00:50:46.719 --> 00:50:49.400
<v Speaker 4>dream where you've fallen out of bed, you know what

1049
00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:52.079
<v Speaker 4>I mean? It's it's it's that you've had a really

1050
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.000
<v Speaker 4>bad nightmare and you've fallen out of bed, and that

1051
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:57.119
<v Speaker 4>is highly possible. Let me be quite clear. I always

1052
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.639
<v Speaker 4>said that to myself, and that's why I've never tried

1053
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.119
<v Speaker 4>to say definitely happened. It hasn't definitely happened. It's just

1054
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:05.880
<v Speaker 4>something really weird that recurred quite a lot. It's the

1055
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.519
<v Speaker 4>recurring side of it as well, over a course of years.

1056
00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:12.159
<v Speaker 1>And that's the words, because I've since not I.

1057
00:51:12.159 --> 00:51:15.280
<v Speaker 4>Had dreams that I can one recollect as much as this,

1058
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:20.480
<v Speaker 4>because I could, like, I could always recollect it.

1059
00:51:19.800 --> 00:51:21.320
<v Speaker 1>A lot, like in depth.

1060
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:25.039
<v Speaker 4>But there was always a gap between me being on

1061
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:27.920
<v Speaker 4>that roof and nothing else happening.

1062
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.639
<v Speaker 1>By the way, But the weird.

1063
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:33.480
<v Speaker 4>Thing was, and this is the really really weird thing,

1064
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:36.760
<v Speaker 4>I'd always it was never the roof of the room

1065
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:37.320
<v Speaker 4>that I'm in.

1066
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:40.599
<v Speaker 1>I'd get dragged through a doorway.

1067
00:51:40.840 --> 00:51:44.519
<v Speaker 4>My doorway was always open at night, always open at night,

1068
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:45.599
<v Speaker 4>and actually I still.

1069
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:48.320
<v Speaker 1>Sleep well most of the time, sleep with the doorway open.

1070
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.639
<v Speaker 4>And it was always the landing in each house that

1071
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:54.840
<v Speaker 4>because I think it happened over a span of two houses.

1072
00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:56.360
<v Speaker 1>So I remember we moved village.

1073
00:51:56.760 --> 00:51:58.519
<v Speaker 4>It was out of two houses, and then obviously it

1074
00:51:58.599 --> 00:52:01.239
<v Speaker 4>was that last time that happened later in life, and

1075
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:04.000
<v Speaker 4>even that one with the roof on that one that

1076
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.679
<v Speaker 4>was in the hallway again, but I woke up in

1077
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:11.039
<v Speaker 4>my bed on the last one, So I don't know,

1078
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:14.880
<v Speaker 4>just weird, really really weird for it to reoccur, very weird.

1079
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:19.000
<v Speaker 5>And did you ever witness the transition between moving rooms?

1080
00:52:19.519 --> 00:52:25.920
<v Speaker 4>Yes, so you're meaning essentially been floated so levitated as such. Yes,

1081
00:52:26.480 --> 00:52:29.840
<v Speaker 4>all of that I would be witnessing and be absolutely terrified,

1082
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.840
<v Speaker 4>but I couldn't scream, So you know, when I'd wake

1083
00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:37.199
<v Speaker 4>up on the floor, I'd then I'd still be really terrified,

1084
00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.519
<v Speaker 4>and then I'd try and shout and nothing had come out,

1085
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 4>and then all of a sudden, we're like and then

1086
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.599
<v Speaker 4>it'd lunge out of me. I'd be that just through terror.

1087
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:48.719
<v Speaker 4>Was absolutely terrible. So and then I'd end up shouting

1088
00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:51.719
<v Speaker 4>and then my mom woud come running and you're up

1089
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:53.960
<v Speaker 4>floor again. You don't get back in bed, and she

1090
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:56.039
<v Speaker 4>get me back in bed, and I'd got to sleep,

1091
00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:57.079
<v Speaker 4>And it is.

1092
00:52:57.039 --> 00:52:57.519
<v Speaker 1>What it is.

1093
00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:00.239
<v Speaker 4>And like I said, I'll be honest with you through

1094
00:53:00.280 --> 00:53:03.119
<v Speaker 4>my childhood genuinely just thought, it's just jams.

1095
00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:04.360
<v Speaker 1>But I don't want that dream again.

1096
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:07.159
<v Speaker 4>And then when i'd have that dream again, i'd be like, oh, no,

1097
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:10.039
<v Speaker 4>I'm having that dream again. I'd even say to myself,

1098
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:13.199
<v Speaker 4>it's happening again. I could hear the growl, the growl thing,

1099
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.360
<v Speaker 4>because it was the growl first, and you wouldn't be

1100
00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:19.559
<v Speaker 4>a growl next year. It's like it's out in that landing.

1101
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:22.800
<v Speaker 4>It's not next year. It's out in the landing. And

1102
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:26.559
<v Speaker 4>then you'd start moving and it's not you that's moving,

1103
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:29.440
<v Speaker 4>and all of a sudden you're up on the roof.

1104
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:34.440
<v Speaker 4>And then I'd wake up next to my bed. It's strange,

1105
00:53:35.159 --> 00:53:37.320
<v Speaker 4>really strange out of all them. Actually, you know what

1106
00:53:37.440 --> 00:53:40.480
<v Speaker 4>I say that the walking around was weird. You know,

1107
00:53:40.639 --> 00:53:41.920
<v Speaker 4>this is a bit of a weird one. Now I'm

1108
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:45.679
<v Speaker 4>recollecting it because I swear it's it felt so real.

1109
00:53:46.000 --> 00:53:51.159
<v Speaker 4>But dreams can, dreams can, But I don't know. Interesting conversation,

1110
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:53.239
<v Speaker 4>i'd say, if anything.

1111
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Were you were the only child, yes, and no.

1112
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:58.440
<v Speaker 4>My brother's fifteen years older than me, so he didn't

1113
00:53:58.480 --> 00:54:01.559
<v Speaker 4>live with me. He'd moved down out by the time

1114
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:05.039
<v Speaker 4>I sort of especially this sort of stuff happening, so

1115
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:09.000
<v Speaker 4>I would say yes, But now, if you know what

1116
00:54:09.039 --> 00:54:09.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I.

1117
00:54:09.800 --> 00:54:12.519
<v Speaker 5>Was just interested if they had had anything in the

1118
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.000
<v Speaker 5>house on that, you know, to them.

1119
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:21.519
<v Speaker 4>My brothers never recollected anything. He's really really regimentally against this.

1120
00:54:21.679 --> 00:54:26.880
<v Speaker 4>Actually he's he's he don't believe in anything that's paranormal

1121
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:28.920
<v Speaker 4>or anything of that nature. But no, he's that he's

1122
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:31.559
<v Speaker 4>never ever said anything. But like I said, he didn't

1123
00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:33.559
<v Speaker 4>live in the house I lived in. To Mickey me

1124
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:35.800
<v Speaker 4>when I start bringing up to do it, because I mean,

1125
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 4>I must have met like in my later life. Have

1126
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.519
<v Speaker 4>I become quite fascinated with the current UAP topic, Yeah,

1127
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:44.079
<v Speaker 4>I am. I mean everything that's coming out now, what

1128
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:47.599
<v Speaker 4>we're seeing, especially with the congressional hearings and everything over

1129
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:47.920
<v Speaker 4>in the.

1130
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:49.119
<v Speaker 1>States, it's crazy.

1131
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:51.760
<v Speaker 4>It's crazy, and I've and it's what I find very

1132
00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.360
<v Speaker 4>very strange is that it's not med news at all, really,

1133
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:55.280
<v Speaker 4>especially over here.

1134
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:57.400
<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't see it on the news or anything.

1135
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:00.280
<v Speaker 4>But yet the evidence has started to mount up and

1136
00:55:00.320 --> 00:55:03.119
<v Speaker 4>it seems to be there and it's becoming less of

1137
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:04.239
<v Speaker 4>a taboo subject now.

1138
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.159
<v Speaker 1>But even still people like my brother.

1139
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:10.840
<v Speaker 4>He's not into that all and I've got friends that

1140
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.400
<v Speaker 4>aren't as well. I've got friends that are very much

1141
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.639
<v Speaker 4>like that. They're just deading, not into that stuff that

1142
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:18.400
<v Speaker 4>didn't win. There's anything with me, but we're friends and

1143
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:18.800
<v Speaker 4>going to be.

1144
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:22.119
<v Speaker 5>But I think if all this had happened it started

1145
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:24.360
<v Speaker 5>about twenty odd years ago, I think it'd be a

1146
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:28.039
<v Speaker 5>very different story. The problem is these days there's we're

1147
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:32.440
<v Speaker 5>hit by information. There's always something every day, there's something new,

1148
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:35.840
<v Speaker 5>something new, something news that's going on, which completely, for

1149
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:38.400
<v Speaker 5>some reason, just overshadows a lot of this. I mean,

1150
00:55:38.440 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Speaker 5>there is a lot of interest, and there's a lot

1151
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:42.440
<v Speaker 5>of people which have now got into the subject because

1152
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:44.039
<v Speaker 5>of it. But I do know what you're saying. It

1153
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:46.719
<v Speaker 5>should be all across the news every day should be,

1154
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:49.280
<v Speaker 5>but unfortunately other stuff seems.

1155
00:55:49.000 --> 00:55:49.679
<v Speaker 1>To get in the way.

1156
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:52.800
<v Speaker 4>Now well yeah, I'm we'll not getting into that one.

1157
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:55.920
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just an interesting subject. I

1158
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:58.039
<v Speaker 4>found it interesting, and like I said, in my latter

1159
00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:00.519
<v Speaker 4>of years, I've done a lot of reading and stuff. Obviously,

1160
00:56:00.559 --> 00:56:02.320
<v Speaker 4>watch a lot of things and what have your boot

1161
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:06.239
<v Speaker 4>these things very much especially I mean, like I said

1162
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:09.920
<v Speaker 4>that childhood one. I think it's just the action of

1163
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:13.079
<v Speaker 4>having a dream about something that you couldn't even comprehend.

1164
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's the most bizire one for me personally.

1165
00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:18.559
<v Speaker 4>If I was to look back and go which is

1166
00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:21.800
<v Speaker 4>the weirdest, it'd be that one, Whereas I think the

1167
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:24.480
<v Speaker 4>whole three lights in the sky, I think that's a

1168
00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:27.599
<v Speaker 4>little bit dulled out for me, because we are starting

1169
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.800
<v Speaker 4>to see things come through now and it is becoming

1170
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:34.039
<v Speaker 4>less like, oh, he's a madman. It's not like that now.

1171
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:37.000
<v Speaker 4>There is so much more evidence coming out. Yeah, all right,

1172
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:40.400
<v Speaker 4>the video footage grainy and what have your. But regardless,

1173
00:56:40.880 --> 00:56:43.840
<v Speaker 4>things are starting to slowly come out and there is

1174
00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:47.599
<v Speaker 4>testimony from credible people coming out, and that's what kind

1175
00:56:47.679 --> 00:56:51.119
<v Speaker 4>of makes it less sort of weird when you look

1176
00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:54.760
<v Speaker 4>back for me anyway particular, and you know, and it's

1177
00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:57.360
<v Speaker 4>the only thing that I've seen. I'll be honest, as

1178
00:56:57.360 --> 00:56:59.360
<v Speaker 4>I've said before, I'm a trucker, so i'm out. I

1179
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:02.480
<v Speaker 4>do no I sleep out in my truck, so I'm

1180
00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:05.079
<v Speaker 4>out all week. I have not seen a single thing,

1181
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.400
<v Speaker 4>not one thing, while I've been doing my job, and

1182
00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:11.199
<v Speaker 4>I'm always out there looking, you know, and I've not

1183
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:13.960
<v Speaker 4>seen anything. I've seen Starlink. I freaked out when I

1184
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.320
<v Speaker 4>first saw starlink and then realized it was starlinks, I'm like, well,

1185
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:21.119
<v Speaker 4>that Starlink's it's fine. But no, I've not seen anything else.

1186
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:23.039
<v Speaker 4>And I've always got my eyes up. I'm always looking,

1187
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:26.280
<v Speaker 4>but unfortunately I've not been I wouldn't say lucky enough,

1188
00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:28.639
<v Speaker 4>but I've not seen anything aside from the three lights

1189
00:57:28.679 --> 00:57:29.599
<v Speaker 4>I had seen years.

1190
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:30.239
<v Speaker 1>And years and years ago.

1191
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:32.760
<v Speaker 4>That's the only thing that I ever saw in the sky,

1192
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:35.719
<v Speaker 4>which I don't know that's a good or bad thing.

1193
00:57:36.280 --> 00:57:39.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, bloody star people still freak out about it, still

1194
00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:42.320
<v Speaker 5>freak out about that. I still get videos about starlink,

1195
00:57:42.599 --> 00:57:46.519
<v Speaker 5>you know. I would suggest, though, if you can pinpoint

1196
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:49.960
<v Speaker 5>the area and pinpoint the time of you know, when

1197
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:52.400
<v Speaker 5>you saw these free lights, and just put a little

1198
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:53.480
<v Speaker 5>report in I.

1199
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.480
<v Speaker 1>Know the earlier well and the time of year.

1200
00:57:56.519 --> 00:58:00.480
<v Speaker 4>I could probably I could get close with inside a month.

1201
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:03.519
<v Speaker 4>I would think. I'm pretty certain that it was late November.

1202
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:06.360
<v Speaker 4>I'd have to work the year out. That would take

1203
00:58:06.440 --> 00:58:08.800
<v Speaker 4>me a little time, but I could probably work that out.

1204
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:10.239
<v Speaker 1>But I certainly know the area.

1205
00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:12.800
<v Speaker 5>You might just find that someone else had seen and

1206
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:13.760
<v Speaker 5>it's always good.

1207
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yeah, that'd be nice. Yeah.

1208
00:58:15.519 --> 00:58:17.639
<v Speaker 5>I always tell people that, because if you've seen something,

1209
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:19.840
<v Speaker 5>you know, put a report in, don't just you know,

1210
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:23.079
<v Speaker 5>leave it, because there's a lot of researchers and people

1211
00:58:23.079 --> 00:58:25.599
<v Speaker 5>which are also trying to find, you know, what they saw.

1212
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:28.519
<v Speaker 5>So the more information out there the better.

1213
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:31.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But like I said, I mean, dabbling with the

1214
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:33.519
<v Speaker 4>Ouiji board when you're really with the young's probably not

1215
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:35.960
<v Speaker 4>a good idea. Now I know what they're about, but

1216
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:38.880
<v Speaker 4>I didn't certainly at the time wouldn't have known genuinely.

1217
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:41.280
<v Speaker 4>The worst part about all this is I was such

1218
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:45.480
<v Speaker 4>a naive child, but you would not believe, like genuinely

1219
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:48.920
<v Speaker 4>did not grow up with any sort of like I

1220
00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:51.639
<v Speaker 4>couldn't watch horror films, were allowed to watch them, like,

1221
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:52.440
<v Speaker 4>nothing like that.

1222
00:58:52.480 --> 00:58:54.639
<v Speaker 1>And that's what meant that dream so weird, do you

1223
00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:57.639
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? It's the whole levitating thing. What

1224
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:01.079
<v Speaker 1>would I have watched at that age with anything like that?

1225
00:59:01.440 --> 00:59:02.199
<v Speaker 1>I just wouldn't have.

1226
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:05.639
<v Speaker 4>There was nothing especially horrific, And the weird growley thing

1227
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:08.400
<v Speaker 4>like that for me is why I find that one

1228
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:11.719
<v Speaker 4>weird and that's why I've always gravitated to that one thing.

1229
00:59:12.000 --> 00:59:14.280
<v Speaker 4>Why did you if it was a dream? How in

1230
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:17.280
<v Speaker 4>God's name did you dream that. I know, the mind's

1231
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:20.079
<v Speaker 4>a strange thing, But how did I dream something I

1232
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:23.239
<v Speaker 4>couldn't even comprehend. I think that's the big one out

1233
00:59:23.239 --> 00:59:25.719
<v Speaker 4>of all of them that I find still to this day,

1234
00:59:25.920 --> 00:59:28.920
<v Speaker 4>difficult to accept if it is a dream, very very

1235
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:30.880
<v Speaker 4>very I mean, I've got an active imagination, Don't get

1236
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:32.920
<v Speaker 4>me wrong. I've got a really good imagination. It's served

1237
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:35.440
<v Speaker 4>me well in music over the years. You know, it's

1238
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.519
<v Speaker 4>really good in my creative side. But when it comes

1239
00:59:37.519 --> 00:59:41.159
<v Speaker 4>down to things like this, I just find it's too

1240
00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:45.400
<v Speaker 4>way too bizarre, way too bizarre, and to be so like,

1241
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:48.159
<v Speaker 4>do you know to feel the roof like you said,

1242
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:49.400
<v Speaker 4>I mean you've asked the question, Jenn.

1243
00:59:49.239 --> 00:59:51.679
<v Speaker 1>I feel roof? Yeah? I did. Did I feel other things?

1244
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, as in the quilt cover coming off me and

1245
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:58.760
<v Speaker 4>things like that, very conscious and very very like in

1246
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:01.440
<v Speaker 4>the knowledge of what's happening that particular moment. But then

1247
01:00:01.559 --> 01:00:04.719
<v Speaker 4>to wake up and still be terrified. But why did

1248
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:07.159
<v Speaker 4>I wake up? We're back a sleep? Like, what's that

1249
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:08.960
<v Speaker 4>all about? Was it just a dream? Or did I

1250
01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:10.800
<v Speaker 4>wake up and then was I put to sleep?

1251
01:00:11.239 --> 01:00:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

1252
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:13.360
<v Speaker 4>Yours is the only one I listened to in regards

1253
01:00:13.360 --> 01:00:16.840
<v Speaker 4>to this subject. I remember it was only by Johns

1254
01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:17.360
<v Speaker 4>I found you.

1255
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I think I just decided I wanted to listen to

1256
01:00:19.960 --> 01:00:21.960
<v Speaker 1>a podcast. I thought, you know what, wonder if there's

1257
01:00:21.960 --> 01:00:24.360
<v Speaker 1>any UFO ones. I just tapped in ufone this come up.

1258
01:00:24.559 --> 01:00:27.400
<v Speaker 4>That's how I actually found it, and then just listen

1259
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:28.159
<v Speaker 4>to it ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>But i'd never dabble it. I did.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I did try and listen to a few others,

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<v Speaker 4>but just didn't vibe it, didn't really get along with

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<v Speaker 4>the idea of it. I think how you actually set

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<v Speaker 4>it up worked for me personally, probably clearly worked for

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<v Speaker 4>other people as well, But in regards to, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>sharing what I'd got, I'd always been really reluctant.

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<v Speaker 1>I could have got in touch with you when I

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<v Speaker 1>first ever.

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<v Speaker 4>Listened to you, which were a few years back, but

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't, And I think it's because I don't really

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<v Speaker 4>want any attention, and I certainly don't want to speak

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<v Speaker 4>to anyone else about it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why I've done this, be honest, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not one for it anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, not really one for the whole spotlight thing, or

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want it. I'm not interested. It's just strange experiences.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm when someone's had something similar, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 4>what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Really.

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<v Speaker 5>There is a lot of of a podcast out there,

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<v Speaker 5>a few good UFO ones, but they have a different

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<v Speaker 5>format and that was something I wanted to avoid. I

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<v Speaker 5>didn't want to be the same as everyone else. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>they do their thing and I can just do my

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<v Speaker 5>own thing. And so it works, Yeah, it does. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>I like listen to the stories and sure as how

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<v Speaker 5>thousands of others do as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, And it's just that interest, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's a topic that it's interesting to hear

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<v Speaker 4>other people's views and opinions and things that they may

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<v Speaker 4>have witnessed.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what it's all about.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's just like it's almost like a community field

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<v Speaker 4>to it in that regard, I suppose. But yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 4>a good format, mate, and I like it. I really

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<v Speaker 4>like it.

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<v Speaker 5>Glad we got you one.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much. Glad to be on, Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 5>I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 5>It's been wonderful to meet you. Okay, do let us

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<v Speaker 5>know if you have anything strange happen again? All right,

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<v Speaker 5>and definitely keep us updated. Good stuff, you take care

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<v Speaker 5>of yourself and we will speak soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Sir, Thank you very much say that bye.

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<v Speaker 5>Bye for now. Well, that is all for this week.

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<v Speaker 5>Keep updated and connected with the show on x, Facebook

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<v Speaker 5>and Instagram. And if you have an encounter that you'd

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<v Speaker 5>like to share on the podcast, you can email me

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<v Speaker 5>at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com or you can

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<v Speaker 5>reach out to me via the contact page on my

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<v Speaker 5>website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A big fank you

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<v Speaker 5>Jonathan for sharing tonight and thank you all for listening.

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<v Speaker 5>I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe

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<v Speaker 5>and keep watching us guys. Goodbye
