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Speaker 5: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
Speaker 5: experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
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Speaker 5: I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO Chronicles Podcast.
Speaker 5: In tonight's episode, Jonathan calling from South Yorkshire in the
Speaker 5: United as he recounts a series of experiences that began
Speaker 5: when he was a child and reserviced at different points
Speaker 5: throughout his life. What started as reoccurring nighttime episodes, moments
Speaker 5: where he believed he was lifted from his bed and
Speaker 5: later found on the floor. Eventually these gave way to
Speaker 5: other unexplained events, violent disturbances in his house, a silent
Speaker 5: object crossing the night sky seen alongside his father, and
Speaker 5: years later, during recovery from a serious injury, encounters that
Speaker 5: challenged his sense of control over his own body. Jonathan
Speaker 5: is up next, but first.
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Speaker 5: Hello Jonathan, Welcome to the podcast. It is good to
Speaker 5: have you join us tonight and you're calling from South Yorkshire.
Speaker 5: That's correct, good Staff, South Yorkshire, the UK, wonderful part
Speaker 5: of the country. Now, Jonathan, you have some experiences to
Speaker 5: share with us. Would you like to start at the beginning, please, sir?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can do. I mean, I'll be honest.
Speaker 4: I'm going to start from the age of sort of
Speaker 4: seven or eight, is about ninety ninety eight.
Speaker 1: Roughly.
Speaker 4: It started where I had these dreams, so basically I
Speaker 4: wouldn't call them dreams I did at the time. I
Speaker 4: was very very young at the time, and it would
Speaker 4: be where I would be awoken in my sleep and
Speaker 4: although supposedly I'm dreaming, and I would be levitated to
Speaker 4: the roof of a hallway in the house that was
Speaker 4: staying at the time, and I would wake up out
Speaker 4: the side of the bed crying, and my Mum would
Speaker 4: come in put me back in bed, and that'd be it.
Speaker 1: Now, this went on for.
Speaker 4: Years, for about sort of three years, I would say
Speaker 4: where it wasn't every night, it'd be probably once every
Speaker 4: three weeks, maybe once every four weeks.
Speaker 1: Something along the lines of that.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden those did actually stop happening,
Speaker 4: but it did reoccur one more.
Speaker 1: Time later in life.
Speaker 4: But my experiences they changed through the years, and I've
Speaker 4: come to a sort of a point now where I've
Speaker 4: looked back because obviously this happened what thirty years ago
Speaker 4: it started happening, So I look back now after having
Speaker 4: loads of different experiences through the years, and believed that
Speaker 4: to a certain degree they may all actually be into linked.
Speaker 1: But I can't be completely sure.
Speaker 4: I always leave it up to skepticism, but yeah, that's
Speaker 4: where I'm at with it now. Going forward from that
Speaker 4: sort of the age of fifteen, we've moved house more
Speaker 4: in a different house, and this was when I first
Speaker 4: ever saw something that I couldn't really explain, and it
Speaker 4: was a paranormal sort of vibe I suppose, if you
Speaker 4: want to go down that sort of route. And there's
Speaker 4: been a lot of negativity in the household, a hell
Speaker 4: of a lot of negativity. I'm not going to go
Speaker 4: into what it was living obviously with my parents at
Speaker 4: the time, and it would get to sort of seven
Speaker 4: or eight in the evening, obviously everything's dim and this
Speaker 4: was in the I remember it's been in the winter
Speaker 4: at this particular year. Now, don't ask me the exact year,
Speaker 4: because I can't pinpoint it because there wasn't anything around
Speaker 4: that sort of time frame to give it an accurate
Speaker 4: But I was seeing sort of shadows darting the in
Speaker 4: the actual room, and they would look like figures. But
Speaker 4: yet we lived, we faced fields, and there were never
Speaker 4: any light shining or anything like that. There's nothing that
Speaker 4: should have been able to change where something was, if
Speaker 4: that makes any sense.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: I'd never thought about it that much at the time.
Speaker 4: It kind of just passed. I never really had any
Speaker 4: bad interaction or anything like that around that sort of time,
Speaker 4: and those dreams that I'd had prior those, yeah, it
Speaker 4: might have been super negative, but I never really thought
Speaker 4: much about me. It's not until later live that have
Speaker 4: sat and gone, well, hang on a minute. You were
Speaker 4: brought up in cotton wool, and I really was. I
Speaker 4: was brought up in cottonwell. I never watched any sort
Speaker 4: of horror films or anything that would kind of depict
Speaker 4: yourself floating out of bed and been pinned against the roof.
Speaker 4: So obviously I've started to make links with things through
Speaker 4: the years, moving on, moving past the shadows that I
Speaker 4: saw of darting.
Speaker 1: I moved into a house later in life.
Speaker 4: Now this will have been probably about eight nine years later,
Speaker 4: and had had my first child, and me and our
Speaker 4: partner at the time were living in a property. Basically
Speaker 4: that was a very very strange and turbulent time. I
Speaker 4: was very young in the head and me and my
Speaker 4: partner at the time split up. She moved back with
Speaker 4: her family and I was left alone in that house.
Speaker 4: And I remember the first night I was there. This
Speaker 4: is where I first had something that felt extremely negative
Speaker 4: happening in the house, and it was very, very bizarre.
Speaker 4: So it's nighttime. I'm sat in the living room and
Speaker 4: I'm watching TV and it's a semi detached house. I
Speaker 4: know the next door here because funnily enough, i'd actually
Speaker 4: grown up with him in early life about I had
Speaker 4: none it for about teny years, and in his family
Speaker 4: had actually gone away to scapeenest. They had gone into
Speaker 4: a caravan, so I knew there was just me in
Speaker 4: this entire semi detached property, and up in what was
Speaker 4: my daughter's room, I heard the biggest bang you've ever
Speaker 4: heard in your life. It sounded like a car hitting
Speaker 4: the hitting the room.
Speaker 1: It was horrendous.
Speaker 4: It shook the house, and I sat there in absolute fear.
Speaker 4: I just literally said, that's my cue to leave, and
Speaker 4: Iran and Iran, I got in the car and I
Speaker 4: went to my mom and dad's house in absolute fear.
Speaker 4: Now this wasn't an isolated incident. This actually continued what
Speaker 4: happened in that house. So I then at the time,
Speaker 4: was in a band when I was doing music and stuff,
Speaker 4: and I had a friend and he came and stayed
Speaker 4: with me because I rang him up that night, and
Speaker 4: I said, look, this has happened. It's really really strange.
Speaker 4: I don't want to be in there on my own.
Speaker 4: I'm not ready for this. Do you want to come
Speaker 4: and live with me for a bit? And he did.
Speaker 4: He came and lived with me for a bit, and
Speaker 4: he had some strange experiences of which I'm not going
Speaker 4: to go into because that's for him to probably go into,
Speaker 4: not me, but the ones that we witnessed together.
Speaker 1: However, we're very, very odd. So there was.
Speaker 4: One night we had our band around and we were
Speaker 4: all downstairs and I had my recording gear there at
Speaker 4: the time, and we could hear footsteps upstairs in what
Speaker 4: used to be in my room. A few years, probably
Speaker 4: red move rooms and they were going around in a circle.
Speaker 1: It's really really weird.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden they bolted all the
Speaker 4: way down the stairs and something hit the door at
Speaker 4: the bottom of the stairs and the door shock. Now
Speaker 4: bury in mind, there's five adults in this room, and
Speaker 4: we were all terrified by it.
Speaker 1: We were like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 4: So anyway, look, there were more things that happened during
Speaker 4: the time had been there that There's not much poet
Speaker 4: going into that in depth. Could we could be here
Speaker 4: for hours? So I'll move on and I'll move on
Speaker 4: to the next thing. Now, this is where things probably
Speaker 4: got a little bit stranger because it was totally obviously
Speaker 4: at the time, I would have never had any kind
Speaker 4: of correlation between the two things or any of these
Speaker 4: things that happened. Is it's not until my later years
Speaker 4: that I've started to pin things together in my own mind.
Speaker 4: And I could be completely wrong, but this particular one.
Speaker 4: So I'm a lot older, so we're talking to now,
Speaker 4: I'm probably around the age of thirty at this point.
Speaker 4: I'm thirty seven now, so this is seven years ago,
Speaker 4: and I'd been out with my dad, we'd been doing
Speaker 4: I did a Chinese delivery job at night, and we've
Speaker 4: been out. We finished, We always finished around eleven o'clock.
Speaker 4: And the reason used to come with me is because
Speaker 4: in the local area, what'd happen is youths had place
Speaker 4: like a prank call ordering a Chinese wait for you
Speaker 4: to get to this particular tress.
Speaker 1: There'd be like behind some hedgerows.
Speaker 4: They'd come around, they stomp all your car and then
Speaker 4: run off, basically just being idiots. But unfortunately I'd taken
Speaker 4: my dad with me, thinking that was a good thing.
Speaker 1: Probably wasn't, But on this particular night it was.
Speaker 4: We were heading back sort of eleven o'clock at night
Speaker 4: from this Chinese de we cashed up. We're on his
Speaker 4: way back, and we were going down this long stretch
Speaker 4: of road. And on this long stretch of road you
Speaker 4: can see quite a lot of horizon because it's it's
Speaker 4: kind of countryside sort of thing, so you can see
Speaker 4: a lot of scape and what we could see to
Speaker 4: the right and side, but these.
Speaker 1: Three lights in the sky.
Speaker 4: Now, to measure distance between the lights, if you got
Speaker 4: your arm and you extended it all the way out,
Speaker 4: and you got your first finger and your thumb and
Speaker 4: you kind of extended them all the way out, so
Speaker 4: you couldn't stretch them any further.
Speaker 1: That's the distance between each point of light.
Speaker 4: So as you can tell, the lights are actually quite
Speaker 4: far away from one another. But this night was perfectly clear.
Speaker 4: It was pitch black, and these three lights were brighter
Speaker 4: than any stars out there, but not a great deal bigger.
Speaker 4: But the distance between them was quite big.
Speaker 1: Now, this triangular.
Speaker 4: Shaped thing or formation of three lights went across the
Speaker 4: scape in such a short space of time it was unreal,
Speaker 4: never broke formation whatsoever. I was really really curious. I
Speaker 4: wanted to follow the lights when they'd gone outside. My
Speaker 4: dad said, absolutely not, get me home.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: He was visibly a little bit shaken by it, because
Speaker 4: in his head he was never one for things like
Speaker 4: this at all.
Speaker 1: In fact, actually the.
Speaker 4: Whole paranormal stuff. I'd tried to speak to my mum
Speaker 4: and dad around this sort of stuff, and they did
Speaker 4: not want to speak about this stuff at all at all,
Speaker 4: in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 1: Didn't believe in it.
Speaker 4: They weren't into it, they weren't going with it, so
Speaker 4: we didn't really speak.
Speaker 1: And then anyway, so.
Speaker 4: The last thing, and I will fast forward to sort
Speaker 4: of the last thing that ever happened, and this was
Speaker 4: back in sort of twenty twenty. I've torn my ACL
Speaker 4: money and my miniscus and my MCL.
Speaker 1: I'm laid up in bed with quite a lot of problems.
Speaker 4: I could move from room to room but with crutches,
Speaker 4: and I've got a fixed knee brace on at the time,
Speaker 4: so I think it actually had my operation at this point.
Speaker 4: Now I swear i'd had the operation. That's why I
Speaker 4: was on the merds, but I was on quite a lot.
Speaker 4: I think I was on troumadall for the pain, and
Speaker 4: it was actually it was shortly after having my operation.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm sad, and I'm actually in the.
Speaker 4: Living room because I'd been expelled to the living room
Speaker 4: as I was playing this game. So I was playing
Speaker 4: this game, and all of a sudden, I hear something.
Speaker 4: It's like when someone gets up off a leather sofa.
Speaker 4: It's like leather sort of relaxed as such. You hear it,
Speaker 4: it's like skins stuck to it, if that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So I looked over.
Speaker 4: Because obviously I know I'm in the room on my own.
Speaker 4: I've just got the dog at the side of me.
Speaker 4: I looked over and there's this black mass and it
Speaker 4: is above the sofa. Now it's not in the form
Speaker 4: of a person. It is a mass, and it's hard
Speaker 4: to explain. It was just incredibly dark, really really dark. Now,
Speaker 4: this black mask then shot passed me and down the hallway,
Speaker 4: but through a door. So I'm sat there and I'm thinking, oh,
Speaker 4: that's bizarre. So at this point you would think, I mean,
Speaker 4: I was, I'm not gonna lie. I was kind of scared.
Speaker 4: I was kind of scared because it's very odd to
Speaker 4: have seen what I saw. But then it continued, so
Speaker 4: I decided I was going to go to bed, so
Speaker 4: I hobble back to bed. I get in bed, and
Speaker 4: the dog has a little dog bed at the side
Speaker 4: of where I am, underneath my guitar that's war hung.
Speaker 1: So I'm laid there and I'm thinking, God, what the
Speaker 1: hell was that? You know, that wasn't great.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, it turns icy cold,
Speaker 4: and I mean icy cold, and then I heard the
Speaker 4: dog sort of shuffling and rustling. So I looked down
Speaker 4: and then as I looked down, I could see to
Speaker 4: the left of me that the black mask was back
Speaker 4: and it was above the dog, and the dog yelled
Speaker 4: and jumped on the bed. I subsequently shouted because he
Speaker 4: moved my knee in a funny way.
Speaker 1: But it was literally at the side of me.
Speaker 4: Now you could see that in a dark room, which
Speaker 4: was the weird thing. My eyes had adjusted at this point,
Speaker 4: so obviously there's a small fraction like coming through, but
Speaker 4: nothing great. The room is still really dark, but this
Speaker 4: is even darker. It was really bizarre anyway, that instantly
Speaker 4: sort of vanished. It disappeared two weeks later. I then
Speaker 4: had the last ever experience, which was the strangest experience
Speaker 4: of my life. Literally, I've never had it happen since
Speaker 4: I thought I was going mad. Let me be quite clear,
Speaker 4: this was the strangest experience I've ever had. And I
Speaker 4: have actually tried speaking to medical professionals. I really shouldn't
Speaker 4: have done, because they one of them basically told me
Speaker 4: never to ever again. I was asleep this particular night
Speaker 4: and this, like I said, this is two weeks after
Speaker 4: the shadow thing, and I wake up and I'm stood
Speaker 4: up now, bearing in mind, I'm still in a fixed
Speaker 4: knee brace.
Speaker 1: I'm not meant to be weight bearing, all.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm stood up on a leg that should be
Speaker 4: in a lot of pain, but I'm not feeling any pain.
Speaker 4: But I can see everything, I can hear, but everything's
Speaker 4: really bizarre. And all of a sudden, I want to
Speaker 4: say me, but my body starts walking and it walks
Speaker 4: through the house. It gets through to the kitchen, and
Speaker 4: I'm then stood at the like We've got like this
Speaker 4: big window in the kitchen and I'm stood there with
Speaker 4: my hands on the sink, and I'm starting to panic
Speaker 4: because I'm not actually doing these things.
Speaker 1: I'm not walking of my own volition.
Speaker 4: I'm not doing anything myself in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, my body screams around,
Speaker 4: goes to the fridge.
Speaker 1: And then I did pick out a drink.
Speaker 4: At this point, I feel like that's when I started
Speaker 4: to regain control of my physical body. God, this is
Speaker 4: weird saying this and recounting this. It's so crazy. But
Speaker 4: pick out this drink. I take a drink. I'm like, right,
Speaker 4: so I'm awake. I'm awake because I'm trying to figure
Speaker 4: out whether I'm asleep. This is this is how crazy
Speaker 4: this is. So this point, I go into where my
Speaker 4: partner is and I start shouting help, Help, Help. Now
Speaker 4: this is where it gets really really bizarre. Everything I
Speaker 4: say I don't hear when I say it, there's like
Speaker 4: a delay. It's very difficult to explain, but it's you're
Speaker 4: saying things and it's almost like hearing a reflection coming
Speaker 4: back at you, which was incredibly confusing. And I started
Speaker 4: to scattering my words and all sorts of things really bizarre.
Speaker 4: And I actually said to it, I think I'm going mad.
Speaker 4: I think I've gone crazy, because at this point I
Speaker 4: genuinely think I have. I'm I'm walking through the house.
Speaker 4: I've got no control of what I'm doing. By the
Speaker 4: end of this, I'm in flood of tears. I'm absolutely stile.
Speaker 4: I'm like, what is going on? She calms me down.
Speaker 4: I got back to sleep. I wake up. It's like
Speaker 4: it's never happened, but it's happened. I remember everything. My
Speaker 4: partner remembered it. We spoke about it at length. She
Speaker 4: thought it was hilarious. I thought it was terrifying. I
Speaker 4: hope it never happens again. It never has happened again.
Speaker 4: I did stop taking the meds that I was on.
Speaker 1: The reason I.
Speaker 4: Split to medical professionals because I said, look, is there
Speaker 4: any sort of side effect I can get from taking
Speaker 4: these meds that would make me do X and Y?
Speaker 4: And obviously went through this. I tried explaining all this
Speaker 4: and it just went no, no, I mean, do you
Speaker 4: mean you had sleep paralysis? And I went, well, no,
Speaker 4: because I'm walking through the house. And obviously we could
Speaker 4: never come.
Speaker 1: To what it was.
Speaker 4: They never had any explanation for it. I never had
Speaker 4: an explanation for it. But that was the last thing
Speaker 4: that had ever happened. It was terrifying. I'm not going
Speaker 4: to lie just to hope it never happens again. But
Speaker 4: it has got to a stage now where I've started
Speaker 4: to look back on everything that's happened over the years,
Speaker 4: and for some reason, I feel like the pins are
Speaker 4: gather thinking when I was as a young child in
Speaker 4: regards to the being levitated.
Speaker 1: Now, all I can explain to you.
Speaker 4: Is everyone that I know and a dog has watched
Speaker 4: paranormal activity and where that guy where anyone would get
Speaker 4: like dragged in mid air, and it looks fake. It
Speaker 4: looks so fake, and you know it's crazy. But that's
Speaker 4: the sort of floating we're talking about. You, That's that's
Speaker 4: the dream there I had, Well, how did I have
Speaker 4: that dream at a very very very.
Speaker 1: Young age when I never watched anything like that?
Speaker 4: Nothing like that existed, There was nothing like that, and
Speaker 4: I'd certainly never watched anything like that. So I can't
Speaker 4: understand for the life of me why I would have
Speaker 4: had a dream as such that would have been that
Speaker 4: way inclined, and why I would have been pinned to
Speaker 4: the roof. And I do remember distinctly this weird growl
Speaker 4: thing that I heard every single time, and I know
Speaker 4: when it happened, I would always go to bed. I
Speaker 4: know I would always go to bed that sort of era,
Speaker 4: thinking God, I don't it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: And then when it did happen, the only thing I
Speaker 4: can recount for me is thinking, oh God, it's happening again.
Speaker 4: I can hear it again, and I'd hear this ground
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden I'd been levitated out of bed.
Speaker 4: But when I was like when i'd wake up, i'd
Speaker 4: literally be at the side of my bed, face face down.
Speaker 1: It was really bizarre.
Speaker 5: But yeah, interesting stuff, Jonathan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. I don't really speak about
Speaker 4: this to anyone. I never really have. It's it's a
Speaker 4: taboo subject. And you know what, I felt so nut
Speaker 4: saying after that, I said, crazy, that's especially that, you
Speaker 4: know the walking through the house bit that one. Oh God,
Speaker 4: I never speak to anyone about that, but I've genuinely
Speaker 4: asked for advice on that, and no one can really
Speaker 4: tell me. What happened to me in any way, shape
Speaker 4: or form. Was very, very bizarre and very scary.
Speaker 5: It is quite bizarre. But I'm surprised that the therapist said,
Speaker 5: don't tell no one about this.
Speaker 1: That's a bit right.
Speaker 4: So I spoke to GPS first in regards to sort
Speaker 4: of the medication that I've been on, because I've been
Speaker 4: on I think it was an approxym for anti inflammatory,
Speaker 4: and i'd been on either trauma door or I've been
Speaker 4: on a mix of different ones, and I wanted to
Speaker 4: know whether that could have given me some form of
Speaker 4: weird reaction. But at the end of the day, we're
Speaker 4: not talking about a hallucination that someone else didn't experience.
Speaker 4: I think that's what made it more legitimate in my mind,
Speaker 4: is the fact that other people witnessed a few of
Speaker 4: these things. The dog witnessing, the black mass in the room,
Speaker 4: and then my partner actually witnessing me being frankly hysterical
Speaker 4: in the house after not having control of my own body,
Speaker 4: which is still to this day and probably will be
Speaker 4: for the rest of my life, the most bizarre thing
Speaker 4: that's ever happened to me, and really strange, and no
Speaker 4: explanation for it in any way, shape or form, and
Speaker 4: the fact that it's never happened again. And I did
Speaker 4: actually end up on those two meds I think about
Speaker 4: a year later because I had side effects from my
Speaker 4: knee not working out, but I didn't have that action again,
Speaker 4: although I was quite worried about taking the meds, as
Speaker 4: you can imagine after having such a weird effect. But yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not something I've often spoke of this and I
Speaker 4: don't know why I reached out to you when I did.
Speaker 1: I just you know, when you feel compelled to kind of.
Speaker 4: Talk about it for the first time properly, that's kind
Speaker 4: of what this was.
Speaker 5: And it's usually that way. I get a lot of
Speaker 5: emails like that. But it's very bizarre. I mean, of course,
Speaker 5: you know you're you're taking meds, and you know what
Speaker 5: meds can.
Speaker 1: Do to you.
Speaker 5: It's very bad. So you had your leg in a brace, yeah,
Speaker 5: your stick and could you walk or were you kind
Speaker 5: of just it.
Speaker 4: Was kind of like a hobble. It was kind of
Speaker 4: like a hobble, so it was my leg was swinging.
Speaker 4: So what they've done is they did not just set it.
Speaker 4: It wasn't it was fixed so it couldn't move, but
Speaker 4: it was set certain it was slot.
Speaker 1: I think it was like a slight angle. But this
Speaker 1: is after an op.
Speaker 4: So I'd add part of my hamstringer removed and put
Speaker 4: into my knee. That's what they do for your acl
Speaker 4: This ditched by mclop and obviously they do whatever they
Speaker 4: do to the miniscus.
Speaker 1: They can't remember what they did to that.
Speaker 4: I know they had to make some stitches around the back,
Speaker 4: but it's quite a significant injury at the time. But
Speaker 4: that's what meant this all the weirder, the fact that
Speaker 4: I'm in that and I should be wincing in pain,
Speaker 4: in a lot of pain. I shouldn't be weight bearing.
Speaker 4: I've had a lot of accidents while there was in
Speaker 4: that Neil knee brase. It was horrendous, but and I
Speaker 4: was off work for a long time because obviously this
Speaker 4: was around Covid area. It was sort of after the
Speaker 4: first lockdown. When the first lockdown lifted, I went to
Speaker 4: play football Weed, to play seven side at night, and
Speaker 4: that's where i'd done this injury. So it was around
Speaker 4: that sort of time after the first lockdown. So don't
Speaker 4: quote me on the dates because it could be slightly off,
Speaker 4: but because I still like trying to just trying to
Speaker 4: get the dates in my head about when this actually happened.
Speaker 4: But I know my son had not been born at
Speaker 4: that point, and I tried to work it out, but
Speaker 4: I'm sure I know that it.
Speaker 1: Was after the first lockdown, so it was one of them.
Speaker 1: It's one of the things.
Speaker 5: That's hugely how it happens, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, my foot got stuck in the turf, so I'd
Speaker 4: been wearing the wrong kind of studs and they locked
Speaker 4: into the turf and my knee carried on traveling and
Speaker 4: that's what And it just sounded like a tree branch snapping.
Speaker 4: Was horrendous with a pain. Oh my god, I hope
Speaker 4: I never got that ever again. I've stoppedlay football now
Speaker 4: just due to that. I didn't ever want to feel
Speaker 4: that again. And the risks and especially if you've had
Speaker 4: a graft, and I'm of you, but yeah, I must
Speaker 4: admit to have the experience that it was the childhood
Speaker 4: ones though you know, I'd put those in the back
Speaker 4: of my head for so many years, and it's it's strange.
Speaker 4: I'd kind of it was just around the time I
Speaker 4: sent because this is a month ago that I actually
Speaker 4: sent you that email, if I remember right, And around
Speaker 4: that time, I'd just kind of been going through a
Speaker 4: lot of things in my mind, I know, you know,
Speaker 4: when you just have those moments to think, and i'd
Speaker 4: had one. I'd just been thinking about all the strange
Speaker 4: experiences I had and started adding together and they might
Speaker 4: not be related in any way, shape or form, but
Speaker 4: when you've had straight ones all the way through your life,
Speaker 4: because I mean, there's so many more I could go through,
Speaker 4: because there in between each one of these events, because
Speaker 4: I mean these events I'm looking here and you're talking
Speaker 4: like sometimes ten years, five.
Speaker 1: Years, there's quite a short space of time between them.
Speaker 4: But in the grand scheme of things, it's not a
Speaker 4: short space of times quite long. But there were like
Speaker 4: little things in between. So like in the home, like
Speaker 4: if I was at home alone, I'd hear things getting
Speaker 4: dragged about the house, like you know, like carrier bags
Speaker 4: and things like that. Yeah, at that point, we're talking
Speaker 4: earlier than me having a dog. There's a stage where
Speaker 4: it didn't have a dog. My dog wasn't pop my
Speaker 4: partners at the time, you see, So it wasn't until
Speaker 4: I met there that we had a dog in the house.
Speaker 1: Before that we didn't.
Speaker 4: So and yet there was things like carrier bags getting
Speaker 4: dragged about or it's really strange, or like you just
Speaker 4: hear like like coachs and things like that. You hear
Speaker 4: and getting dragged across the floor. It was really strange,
Speaker 4: but yet never saw anything. There were only two occasions
Speaker 4: that I'd seen something. Was the shadow thing that i'd
Speaker 4: seen in my later years and the shadows that I'd seen.
Speaker 1: Earlier, years and years and years earlier.
Speaker 4: But I know it sounds stupid, you know. When that happened,
Speaker 4: it was a bit weird. But I was young and thought, yeah, well,
Speaker 4: you know, it's probably nothing, because at that point it
Speaker 4: was very very skeptical, very skeptical, even after having experiences
Speaker 4: prior to that, you know, very very skeptical. I'm not
Speaker 4: as skeptical now. I try and be more skeptical on myself.
Speaker 4: I certainly do, and even thinking through this, I feel
Speaker 4: mad even bringing it up. I really do, Especially the
Speaker 4: walking through the house thing. I thought I'd gone mad.
Speaker 4: I genuinely thought I'd gone mad. I clearly haven't gone
Speaker 4: mad because I'm saying, but it was. It was weird,
Speaker 4: that's for sure.
Speaker 5: Definitely a strange one. All right, So you're stood up, right,
Speaker 5: you're walking around, you're walking around the house, you go
Speaker 5: into the fridge. How did your body feel? Could you
Speaker 5: see from you know, straight from your eyes or no.
Speaker 4: Right, I can see through my eyes. I'm not looking
Speaker 4: down my body or anything like that. I'm looking at
Speaker 4: So imagine this.
Speaker 1: And my.
Speaker 4: Waking up stood up, for one is a weird one,
Speaker 4: but I know it sounds stupid. I felt the motion
Speaker 4: of standing up right, So imagine slipping off the bed
Speaker 4: to a standing position from a seated position. That's the
Speaker 4: bit that. That's the first recollection I have, so that
Speaker 4: the feeling of getting up and then all of a
Speaker 4: sudden my eyes open up as I'm stood up, So
Speaker 4: imagine that, and then I'm looking out and I'm thinking, ah,
Speaker 4: why am I stood up? That's what was going through
Speaker 4: my head. I'm thinking why am I stood up? And
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, I'm not telling my body
Speaker 4: to move, like we all just moved, don't we like
Speaker 4: if we move, we move. Well, I'm just in fear,
Speaker 4: thinking what is going on? And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: my body just starts moving. Now you would say, well,
Speaker 4: surely you did it. Yeah, I wish that was the case,
Speaker 4: but it wasn't the case at all, and I think
Speaker 4: that's why I got into a state of panic. I
Speaker 4: actually it's been a panic because like midway through this,
Speaker 4: and that's when I started shouting help, Help, Help, But
Speaker 4: then realize that sound coming out of my mouth was delayed.
Speaker 1: Well, it wasn't delayed.
Speaker 4: I could feel reverberations like I know I'm speaking, but
Speaker 4: I can't hear it instantly, and that was terrifying. That
Speaker 4: was the point that was really terrifying, was the delay.
Speaker 4: And you know, this is the best way of explaining it.
Speaker 4: You know, when you're making a call to someone and
Speaker 4: they've got your loud speaker in a car and you
Speaker 4: can hear yourself, imagine only hearing that bit the bit
Speaker 4: that you can hear yourself, and it always throws you off,
Speaker 4: doesn't It throws you off, and you think, oh my god,
Speaker 4: you need to turn that down because I can't hear himself.
Speaker 4: Think I can't gather my thoughts, I can't say things correctly,
Speaker 4: and you're start muddling your words and you'll say things wrong.
Speaker 4: Well that's exactly what was happening. But all I could
Speaker 4: hear was this reflection. I couldn't hear my own voice,
Speaker 4: and as you can tell.
Speaker 1: By me speaking, I clearly like the sound of my
Speaker 1: own voice.
Speaker 4: So I couldn't hear myself, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: It was horrendous and yeah, but it was really strange.
Speaker 4: And my partner didn't know how to console me at
Speaker 4: the time, or she was just starting there thinking what
Speaker 4: is this guy on about, and probably thought I was
Speaker 4: a bit nutty, But fortunately I'm not. So it was
Speaker 4: an extremely scary experience, to say the least. When I
Speaker 4: spoke to professionals, she just said to me, look, we're
Speaker 4: looking at your mental health and we're in a place
Speaker 4: where so I was an outpatient in a place in Yorkshire.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say the actual place, but in
Speaker 4: that place you can be sectioned there And she basically
Speaker 4: hinted now, I did this off record a lot of
Speaker 4: my conversation. She was actually a UNI student at the
Speaker 4: time and she was doing a masters and she was
Speaker 4: learning to do what we were doing, and she was
Speaker 4: recording things to take back to union. She'd asked me
Speaker 4: that morning, can I ask FUM permission? She had to
Speaker 4: ask every single time, and then said this particular one.
Speaker 4: I said, can we not today? There's something I want
Speaker 4: to divulge. First, that's absolutely fine, And then we went
Speaker 4: into it because I've been really, really frightened by it
Speaker 4: and I thought I needed to question it because I'm
Speaker 4: quite proactive in my moment off That's why I went originally,
Speaker 4: and I wanted to know, like, are you slipping through
Speaker 4: the cracks here?
Speaker 1: Do you need a better help?
Speaker 4: Do you need more than you get in and to
Speaker 4: get Basically, someone said, look, I actually believe you, Liam, but.
Speaker 1: You need to keep this to yourself. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: don't please don't bring this up.
Speaker 4: Because I told her I've been to GP and they went, look,
Speaker 4: you know, I'll be honest with you.
Speaker 1: What you're explaining, that's that's not.
Speaker 4: A medication issue, which was quite strange to have someone
Speaker 4: in a profession like that say what they say. But yeah,
Speaker 4: in regards to GP, they certainly they just the only
Speaker 4: thing they could say was do you think you might
Speaker 4: have slept walked? And I thought, well, do you remember
Speaker 4: when you sleepwalk? I don't know, Maybe I need to
Speaker 4: research that. But people that I know that do sleep walk,
Speaker 4: because I know two people, they say they never even
Speaker 4: know they've done it. It's filled the people that know
Speaker 4: that they've done it. Whereas I know you what was
Speaker 4: going on. I was fully aware, my eyes are open.
Speaker 4: Now bear this in mind. I've never been known for
Speaker 4: sleep walking all the way through my life. I've never
Speaker 4: done it since I've never done it before ever slight walked.
Speaker 4: I do snore, I do grunt in my sleep, I
Speaker 4: sometimes talk in my sleep, but I certainly don't walk,
Speaker 4: and that's never happened at all. And this particular example
Speaker 4: so strange. God, it's so strange. I hope, actually, out
Speaker 4: of everything, I actually hope.
Speaker 1: That it is the meds, that it's a mixture.
Speaker 4: Of neproxy and and tramad all or whatever I was
Speaker 4: on for the pain, and that that just sent my
Speaker 4: brain crazy for five.
Speaker 1: Minutes, and that's what it actually was.
Speaker 4: But considering two weeks prior, I had these strange experiences
Speaker 4: with the shadow thing.
Speaker 1: Which I still can't explain to this day.
Speaker 4: I mean, there is another bit where in between two
Speaker 4: of these things, So I mean, I forgot to put
Speaker 4: this in, so you might want to add this. But
Speaker 4: there was one experience that wasn't my own, but I
Speaker 4: will bring it up. So when I told you about
Speaker 4: the house that I lived in, and I had got
Speaker 4: my friend to come and live with me, and we'd
Speaker 4: added this experience with the footsteps and it comes down
Speaker 4: the stairs and it hits the door.
Speaker 1: I remember going to my mum's.
Speaker 4: For about a couple of days, and then when I
Speaker 4: came back home. What my mum and dad reported is
Speaker 4: that night that i'd left, they were both in bed
Speaker 4: and they heard footsteps come all the way up the
Speaker 4: stairs right to the foot of the bed, and the
Speaker 4: footsteps never moved again, and they were sighting fear all
Speaker 4: night long. And that was someone else's experience, not mine,
Speaker 4: But that was after me going to their house after
Speaker 4: having a bad experience at my own house. So I
Speaker 4: have spoken, and this is going to sound proper cocoon now,
Speaker 4: but maybe not so on your channel.
Speaker 1: No, offense. But I do listen to channel. I've heard
Speaker 1: it all.
Speaker 4: But at the same point, i'd been to a what
Speaker 4: is referred to as like a medium lady. Well she'd
Speaker 4: come out towards Funnily enough, i'd reached out during the course,
Speaker 4: I wasn't going to bring this up.
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that I didn't want to
Speaker 4: bring up because I didn't want to sound.
Speaker 1: I don't know crazy. I suppose I feel crazy with
Speaker 1: all this. I really do. I'm quite skeptical.
Speaker 4: I try and be level headed about all this, but
Speaker 4: I can only say it as I see it, and
Speaker 4: what's what I've actually been through. But the medium that
Speaker 4: came out, I explained that when I was a kid.
Speaker 4: So this is where another curve ball throw it again.
Speaker 4: So you know, like I said, there was a lad
Speaker 4: living next door in the semi detached I nonsense or
Speaker 4: a kid.
Speaker 1: He'd had me messed with a Wiji board at a
Speaker 1: very very young age.
Speaker 4: I didn't know what it was brought up in cotton
Speaker 4: Wall as we all know, as I've said, and it
Speaker 4: did move. I didn't think much of it. I didn't
Speaker 4: even know what he was there to do. And that
Speaker 4: sounds crazy, but I didn't. And she'd asked me i'd ever,
Speaker 4: and I just said, well, yeah I did. Actually it
Speaker 4: was when I was very very young. She said, well,
Speaker 4: did you close it off right? And I said, well,
Speaker 4: what do you mean? And obviously didn't even know what
Speaker 4: we'd done. I didn't even know what we'd done. She
Speaker 4: believed that we'd left something open, maybe it had come
Speaker 4: through and it was following or attached to me. I
Speaker 4: don't know for sure whether that's true. I don't know
Speaker 4: whether she were a Charlattan or what brought. To be
Speaker 4: honest with you, Even after seeing her, things continued to
Speaker 4: happen in the household after and she did this weird
Speaker 4: ritual thing which she burnt stage around me, and I
Speaker 4: did this like spudgeing thing around me.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest, it's it's it's a
Speaker 4: weird one. The entire thing has been a strange one
Speaker 4: for me in any way, shape or form. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that's pretty much it. It's not in chronological orders. I
Speaker 4: can only apologize, Nick.
Speaker 5: You don't just great, don't worry. I mean things can
Speaker 5: be linked or they could not. Feel they could just
Speaker 5: be separate, separate things. I will put up call like,
Speaker 5: because there is a lot of people who's listening to
Speaker 5: this show, some medical professionals and in certain fields which
Speaker 5: I've add zero expertise on. So if anyone out there
Speaker 5: has experienced something like Jonathan has just said about, be
Speaker 5: it standing up, walking around the house, going to the
Speaker 5: fridge again, he was on medication, so that there's always
Speaker 5: a possibility that that could be linked. But if anyone
Speaker 5: knows anything about this or have heard, you know, do
Speaker 5: get in contact, even just to put Jonathan's mind at rest,
Speaker 5: because it is a strange one.
Speaker 1: That one. I mean, to be fair, I am at
Speaker 1: rest now, don't get me wrong. I mean, luckily it's
Speaker 1: that happened again.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's such a strange thing to do, isn't
Speaker 4: it go to the fridge. But I think it's more
Speaker 4: of a case of questioning whether you're asleep, and that's strange.
Speaker 1: But it's like a thing where you sit there and
Speaker 1: you go, am I asleep? Is this a dream?
Speaker 4: Because everything was very bizarre, and then when you realize,
Speaker 4: hang on, and it's almost like pinching yourself. That's essentially
Speaker 4: why I know I definitely reached for the drink. That
Speaker 4: was me, that tomasolved to reach for the drink. I
Speaker 4: took the drink, but prior to that, none of them
Speaker 4: them actions were mean. And then after that to have
Speaker 4: this disconnect between sound and not being able to hear
Speaker 4: what I'm actually saying until the reflection comes back, which
Speaker 4: is so strange, so strange.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I mean the brain can be very complex.
Speaker 5: I mean, look at how we drive. You know, we
Speaker 5: don't even we don't even think about it, so you know,
Speaker 5: we could, we could do that kind of thing, but
Speaker 5: that the shear fact that you know, you weren't in control,
Speaker 5: and that's probably my biggest fear is not being in
Speaker 5: control of your own body. And yeah, you don't know
Speaker 5: what could have happened. Something could have gone quite bad.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there is that. There is that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I never really thought about it that way, to be honest.
Speaker 4: I think the weird thing for me was sort of
Speaker 4: that two to three week period where there were strange
Speaker 4: things that had happened around the time. They felt very
Speaker 4: linked to me at the time, whether or not they
Speaker 4: actually are. They might be, They might be linked in
Speaker 4: the respect of I might be having some serious hallucinations
Speaker 4: for medication I was having, but the fact that a
Speaker 4: dog had witnessed it in respect of his reactions to
Speaker 4: what was.
Speaker 1: Above him that helped him pain.
Speaker 4: So just like little things where you sit and you
Speaker 4: go well, it's hard to say.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, I'm very skeptical now.
Speaker 4: I've been all this time and very reluctant to share
Speaker 4: my story with many people, and now I'm doing it
Speaker 4: on a much bigger stage.
Speaker 1: It might not be the best of ideas, but I've
Speaker 1: given it a go either way.
Speaker 5: No, this is the perfect place to do it. You know,
Speaker 5: we all have strange experiences, and there's nowhere always isn't
Speaker 5: always places we can tell, you know, we can always
Speaker 5: tell our family members. We can always tell our partners,
Speaker 5: you know, so sometimes we just need a little outlet.
Speaker 5: And so this is in fact, this is probably the
Speaker 5: perfect place for your Jonathan, did you a lot of
Speaker 5: the earliest stuff that happened had had these Had it
Speaker 5: always been something going on in every house you lived
Speaker 5: or was it kind of sporadic.
Speaker 4: Every house I lived in, every single house I lived in?
Speaker 1: Was this something now? It would it? Would it be?
Speaker 1: It's never, it was never hardly over the same thing.
Speaker 4: The only thing that remained constant for about was it
Speaker 4: about three years that it went on was that whole
Speaker 4: weird dreams thing of getting pinto the roof. That's the
Speaker 4: only thing that was recurring in regards to anything else.
Speaker 4: But always like different things like if it'd be sort
Speaker 4: of like shadows and then it would be like I
Speaker 4: remember one time been in the show hour and the
Speaker 4: door handle moving and things like that. That was in
Speaker 4: a different house, and but yet no one else was
Speaker 4: on me, And just like weird things, like really strange things,
Speaker 4: not stuff.
Speaker 1: I usually try and.
Speaker 4: Talk about people to be honest, because I must admit
Speaker 4: I have spoken to people before. My close friends witnessed
Speaker 4: some of it. So they believe me. Especially one of
Speaker 4: our very good friends that was in the bandroom that
Speaker 4: I spilled still speak to you to this day, although
Speaker 4: he doesn't know I'm coming on this podcast. He witnessed
Speaker 4: the footstep thing, and he refers to it as chicken
Speaker 4: foot jokingly for reasons unknown to me. It's something to
Speaker 4: do with paranormal activity and some weird dust on the
Speaker 4: floor that they put down.
Speaker 1: You see the footprints and things like that. He just
Speaker 1: because like that.
Speaker 4: He tries to joke it off, but he certainly knows
Speaker 4: what happened in that house.
Speaker 1: And he always asked me, as.
Speaker 4: Chicken foot ever doing anything, And I'm like, well, maybe
Speaker 4: did this, or he maybe did that, and I'll obviously
Speaker 4: explain what's happened and he laughs. But to me, it's
Speaker 4: it's strange because it still creeps me out. It's never
Speaker 4: I've never been comfortable with it. Every time, there's been
Speaker 4: something that's always creeped me out, aside from obviously those dreams,
Speaker 4: because that's not something that at the time I would
Speaker 4: have ever thought of sort of like a paranormal and
Speaker 4: I'm not saying they are, by the way, let me
Speaker 4: be quite clear.
Speaker 1: That might be just dreams.
Speaker 4: It might be just dreams, but the fact that I
Speaker 4: just I struggled to come to terms with dreaming about
Speaker 4: something that I couldn't comprehend at the time at that age,
Speaker 4: wouldn't have been able to comprehend the idea of it,
Speaker 4: never mind dream it.
Speaker 1: If that makes sense.
Speaker 4: I've never seen anything they're related to that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: So as you can probably tell, I've done a lot
Speaker 4: of thinking and still do a lot of thinking about
Speaker 4: it all, and it's still weirds me out all of it,
Speaker 4: to be honest.
Speaker 1: The less weird one out of all of them.
Speaker 4: It was the three lights in this we should think
Speaker 4: out of all of it, that would be the weird one.
Speaker 4: But that wasn't the weirdest one, and you.
Speaker 1: Think it would be. It was enough to freet your
Speaker 1: dad out, though, Yeah, but not me. I'm there wanting
Speaker 1: to follow it, and he's going, no to be home
Speaker 1: right now. I want to go.
Speaker 4: He did not want to follow that, but he did
Speaker 4: say it's seen something else. But he spoke to my
Speaker 4: mom about that in confidence, but it was on his own.
Speaker 4: Whereas this is me and him in a car together.
Speaker 4: We're seeing it together, so I know I'm not going
Speaker 4: mad once again. I can physically see it in front
Speaker 4: of me, Like, could it have been helicopters?
Speaker 1: No, not at that speed.
Speaker 4: The amount of sky that it traveled in shut a
Speaker 4: short space of time.
Speaker 1: We're talking seconds that it went across.
Speaker 4: The entire landscape that I could see, which was quite
Speaker 4: a lot, was vast. And yeah, god, I've never even
Speaker 4: seen a plane move that fast. Think about when we've
Speaker 4: seen planes move and you can sit there and watch
Speaker 4: a plane for quite.
Speaker 1: Some time for the seconds and seconds and second. This
Speaker 1: is a lot shorter than that. It's a lot quicker.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It moved at a really fast rate, stayed in perfect formation,
Speaker 4: and you would think, out of all of them, that
Speaker 4: would be the weird one. And like I said, no,
Speaker 4: the weirdest one is not having controlling your own body.
Speaker 4: That is the most terrifying one out of all of them.
Speaker 4: But I don't know that the linked.
Speaker 1: They might not be. It's just some strange.
Speaker 4: Experiences that I've had through my life, and you know,
Speaker 4: it might make someone laugh or creep them out at
Speaker 4: later nights that I don't really know so.
Speaker 5: Well, I'll be interested in knowing if you know, if
Speaker 5: you ever do get any more details from your dad,
Speaker 5: if you know, if it's seen something before, and you know,
Speaker 5: why does that make him react in that way.
Speaker 4: The only thing, the only thing he ever said to
Speaker 4: me that apparently there were more, But the only thing
Speaker 4: he ever said to me was that outside of our
Speaker 4: house he'd seen a big ball of fire and it
Speaker 4: was low and we're not talking to Chinese lantern. That's
Speaker 4: what he'd seen and it moved in a weird way
Speaker 4: and he ran back in the house. And that was
Speaker 4: before we'd been and seen the three lights, so it
Speaker 4: was prior, but he did not mentioned to This was
Speaker 4: probably about six months after I had turned back to
Speaker 4: my mum and said, as my dad, actually, like, has
Speaker 4: he even told you what we've seen? Because I was
Speaker 4: trying to recollect it, and she went, oh, yeah, he
Speaker 4: told me, I said, right, She went, but did he
Speaker 4: tell you about what he'd seen months before? And that's
Speaker 4: when I found out about about what he'd seen prior.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, I didn't seek my own eyes,
Speaker 4: so I can't, you know, validate in any way, shape
Speaker 4: or formance. I think that's probably what I suppose annoyed him,
Speaker 4: because no one was with him at the time.
Speaker 1: It's on his own.
Speaker 4: And when you're on your own, I don't know, you
Speaker 4: always seek validation, don't you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do you know when you're trying to like.
Speaker 4: Sort of sit there and say, is this truly like
Speaker 4: what I'm seeing? Am I getting this wrong? Trying to
Speaker 4: make sense or something? But yeah, he wouldn't have bad that.
Speaker 4: And then but when we're together and he's getting it,
Speaker 4: we out there watching it, and he's going, I certainly
Speaker 4: don't want to follow that, and I'm going I do.
Speaker 4: I want to see it. I want to see if
Speaker 4: I'm what I'm seeing. I want to know what I'm seeing.
Speaker 4: I shouldn't have wanted to know what I'm seeing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we definitely did adapted, that's for sure.
Speaker 5: And you know in your early childhood where you were seven,
Speaker 5: seven eight years old? Yeah, did you ever tell your
Speaker 5: parents about those those occurrencies?
Speaker 1: Right? Okay? So yes?
Speaker 4: And now the house was very turbulent for years and
Speaker 4: years and years. And I do bear that in mind
Speaker 4: when it comes down to whether these dreams were dreams,
Speaker 4: I do do wonder, but they I missed this bit.
Speaker 4: I did have it one more time, miss, Sorry mate,
Speaker 4: I missed this bit. I did have you know, like
Speaker 4: I said, i'd had it one more time, and I
Speaker 4: forgot to tell you, so i'd had it so well.
Speaker 1: This would have been chrominous man.
Speaker 4: At this time, I'd said, probably about twenty seventeen, I'd
Speaker 4: had it one more time. I've never had it since,
Speaker 4: but that was the last time I had it. But
Speaker 4: I didn't on this particular occasion, on this particular dream,
Speaker 4: when I woke up, I was actually back, I was
Speaker 4: in my bed. I was still in my bed, but
Speaker 4: I'd had the same thing happen again, but I'd not
Speaker 4: ended up at.
Speaker 1: The side of bed. Oh yeah, that was the last
Speaker 1: time that i'd had that.
Speaker 4: But at the time I didn't really speak that much
Speaker 4: because things were turbulent at home. Things like that weren't
Speaker 4: a big good conversation topic of that makes sense.
Speaker 1: But that was something that we spoke of later in life.
Speaker 4: So me and my mum had sat down and had
Speaker 4: you know, a lot of heart to hearts in moderation
Speaker 4: with things like this, and she'd explained to experiences she
Speaker 4: had in specific houses, one being the house with the stairs,
Speaker 4: so the stairs were recurring theme. My mum had been
Speaker 4: decorating that particular house because she'd owned the house, so
Speaker 4: she owned it, moved out, but another house I rented
Speaker 4: it off her. It was her second property at that
Speaker 4: particular point. But what she said had happened was when
Speaker 4: she was decorating their house. It was like it's it's
Speaker 4: a council house. So you go up like your stairs,
Speaker 4: it stops and then it goes in a different direction,
Speaker 4: and there's always that like platform, bit isn't there, and
Speaker 4: then it changes direction to the right. So she's on
Speaker 4: that platform when two ladder stair thing, and she said
Speaker 4: she felt two hands push her back in her back,
Speaker 4: and she fell forward and went down the stairs. And
Speaker 4: as she's going down, she grabs the banister. And that's
Speaker 4: so different, you know, getting severe in severely injured. I
Speaker 4: think she might have pulled a few muscles, but that
Speaker 4: were it. Nothing dramatic. I didn't actually know that it
Speaker 4: actually happened, but she told me about that, and that
Speaker 4: had happened in that house. And it's bizarre that you
Speaker 4: should say about these stairs and it coming down the stairs,
Speaker 4: and I told her about that. So it's strange because
Speaker 4: maybe if we had talked a little bit more, because
Speaker 4: we didn't until late life. Really a lot of us
Speaker 4: just kind of didn't speak about it, and my dad
Speaker 4: certainly didn't want to speak about things that he'd seen.
Speaker 4: But I am led to believe that he'd had some
Speaker 4: strange experiences for years and years and years of which
Speaker 4: I don't know enough detail, that's for sure. I'd have
Speaker 4: to go and ask my mum get more detail.
Speaker 5: I was the same. I grew up in counter houses,
Speaker 5: and we lived in some places a lot of weird stuff,
Speaker 5: and a lot of things can happen in houses, and
Speaker 5: a lot of these energies get carried over and some
Speaker 5: could be very grim. We certainly lived as a very
Speaker 5: grim property as asked for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the thing was like, it's a really
Speaker 4: nice property. It's just it had a feeling. He did
Speaker 4: have a feeling. I remember when we first moved in,
Speaker 4: and it had a really weird feeling in that house,
Speaker 4: a really weird thing and unsettling feeling. And I'm not
Speaker 4: usually one for that, but well I wasn't at the time.
Speaker 4: I probably i'm more so now. I Mean, it's just
Speaker 4: one of those things, and it's it's life. It's life.
Speaker 4: You get older, you look back at things and you
Speaker 4: start to make sense of things. I mean that the
Speaker 4: childhood thing. I bring that up now, and yet sort
Speaker 4: of five, six, seven years ago, I probably wouldn't be
Speaker 4: spoken about that. I won't thought about it. I wouldn't
Speaker 4: have thought about it, even though it had happened again,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have thought thought about I thought, that's just
Speaker 4: a dream. But yeah, it's weird, and it probably is
Speaker 4: just a dream. But then you're sitting and think about it.
Speaker 4: That's a bit of a weird dream, considering that you.
Speaker 5: Came to the ceiling. Yeah, did you remember feeling the
Speaker 5: ceiling or anything like that?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, my hands.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: The weird thing is, you know you're going to say
Speaker 4: that's right, you know, when you hear about people have
Speaker 4: been hit.
Speaker 1: I've always been tempted but scared to do it. And
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even know.
Speaker 4: If you can have it, whether that's actually a thing
Speaker 4: that's something I probably should do. I would imagine, if imagine,
Speaker 4: if it's not a dream, I wouldn't really I don't
Speaker 4: think i'd go with that very well.
Speaker 1: I don't think i'd go with it. There's some things that.
Speaker 4: You shouldn't know, or that that certain people shouldn't know,
Speaker 4: and that for me.
Speaker 1: I don't think I should know.
Speaker 4: I think I should go to my grave thinking that
Speaker 4: that was just a dream. It's just a dream, there's
Speaker 4: nothing more to it. But yes, I did feel the roof,
Speaker 4: I did feel the ceiling. I did, and I heard
Speaker 4: that weird Grael thing. It's kind even depict it. It's
Speaker 4: very very strange, not like a dog growl at all.
Speaker 4: It was weird, very deep. I've always thought about it
Speaker 4: and thought, you know, should I try and recollect things
Speaker 4: and things like that? You know, you see a lot
Speaker 4: of it in the films and stuff. But I don't
Speaker 4: even know if that's even a genuine thing where that
Speaker 4: can be done. But like I said, some things you
Speaker 4: just shouldn't know. And I don't know whether i'd react
Speaker 4: very well, but I'd probably upset me quite a bit
Speaker 4: to think that if it was something bad, like God
Speaker 4: for bid, I'd rather just be a dream in my mind.
Speaker 4: I just bring it up because it's interesting, you know,
Speaker 4: and it genuinely happened.
Speaker 5: Well in my edit, did you always hear the ground?
Speaker 4: Yes, every single time, in fact, weirdly, so you know,
Speaker 4: this is all I can recollect. So just imagine being
Speaker 4: in bed waking up being too afraid to move, terrified,
Speaker 4: not being able to scream, not being able to shout.
Speaker 1: And then because the covers came with me.
Speaker 4: The covers were always found on the floor, and I
Speaker 4: was next next to the bed on the floor, so
Speaker 4: the covers had come up with me.
Speaker 1: Did they drift off me? And whatever you I felt it.
Speaker 4: So I was very conscious of the feeling, like so
Speaker 4: you know, like being mindful as such, so you can
Speaker 4: feel stuff. So I do remember the touch of things,
Speaker 4: so like the feeling my blanket coming off, the feeling
Speaker 4: of my finger tips touching the ceiling, because I would
Speaker 4: be facing the ceiling, so I imagine going up and
Speaker 4: facing the ceiling, not not with your back to the roof,
Speaker 4: with your face to the roof. But then I don't
Speaker 4: have any recollection of getting to the floor. I only
Speaker 4: get the bit going up to the roof, and then
Speaker 4: I wake up on the floor. So there's nothing in between.
Speaker 4: And I've always tried to think you remember something in between.
Speaker 4: There's nothing in between, so then I can't pin it together.
Speaker 4: It's it's still a dream, isn't it. Because it's a
Speaker 4: dream where you've fallen out of bed, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? It's it's it's that you've had a really
Speaker 4: bad nightmare and you've fallen out of bed, and that
Speaker 4: is highly possible. Let me be quite clear. I always
Speaker 4: said that to myself, and that's why I've never tried
Speaker 4: to say definitely happened. It hasn't definitely happened. It's just
Speaker 4: something really weird that recurred quite a lot. It's the
Speaker 4: recurring side of it as well, over a course of years.
Speaker 1: And that's the words, because I've since not I.
Speaker 4: Had dreams that I can one recollect as much as this,
Speaker 4: because I could, like, I could always recollect it.
Speaker 1: A lot, like in depth.
Speaker 4: But there was always a gap between me being on
Speaker 4: that roof and nothing else happening.
Speaker 1: By the way, But the weird.
Speaker 4: Thing was, and this is the really really weird thing,
Speaker 4: I'd always it was never the roof of the room
Speaker 4: that I'm in.
Speaker 1: I'd get dragged through a doorway.
Speaker 4: My doorway was always open at night, always open at night,
Speaker 4: and actually I still.
Speaker 1: Sleep well most of the time, sleep with the doorway open.
Speaker 4: And it was always the landing in each house that
Speaker 4: because I think it happened over a span of two houses.
Speaker 1: So I remember we moved village.
Speaker 4: It was out of two houses, and then obviously it
Speaker 4: was that last time that happened later in life, and
Speaker 4: even that one with the roof on that one that
Speaker 4: was in the hallway again, but I woke up in
Speaker 4: my bed on the last one, So I don't know,
Speaker 4: just weird, really really weird for it to reoccur, very weird.
Speaker 5: And did you ever witness the transition between moving rooms?
Speaker 4: Yes, so you're meaning essentially been floated so levitated as such. Yes,
Speaker 4: all of that I would be witnessing and be absolutely terrified,
Speaker 4: but I couldn't scream, So you know, when I'd wake
Speaker 4: up on the floor, I'd then I'd still be really terrified,
Speaker 4: and then I'd try and shout and nothing had come out,
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, we're like and then
Speaker 4: it'd lunge out of me. I'd be that just through terror.
Speaker 4: Was absolutely terrible. So and then I'd end up shouting
Speaker 4: and then my mom woud come running and you're up
Speaker 4: floor again. You don't get back in bed, and she
Speaker 4: get me back in bed, and I'd got to sleep,
Speaker 4: And it is.
Speaker 1: What it is.
Speaker 4: And like I said, I'll be honest with you through
Speaker 4: my childhood genuinely just thought, it's just jams.
Speaker 1: But I don't want that dream again.
Speaker 4: And then when i'd have that dream again, i'd be like, oh, no,
Speaker 4: I'm having that dream again. I'd even say to myself,
Speaker 4: it's happening again. I could hear the growl, the growl thing,
Speaker 4: because it was the growl first, and you wouldn't be
Speaker 4: a growl next year. It's like it's out in that landing.
Speaker 4: It's not next year. It's out in the landing. And
Speaker 4: then you'd start moving and it's not you that's moving,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden you're up on the roof.
Speaker 4: And then I'd wake up next to my bed. It's strange,
Speaker 4: really strange out of all them. Actually, you know what
Speaker 4: I say that the walking around was weird. You know,
Speaker 4: this is a bit of a weird one. Now I'm
Speaker 4: recollecting it because I swear it's it felt so real.
Speaker 4: But dreams can, dreams can, But I don't know. Interesting conversation,
Speaker 4: i'd say, if anything.
Speaker 1: Were you were the only child, yes, and no.
Speaker 4: My brother's fifteen years older than me, so he didn't
Speaker 4: live with me. He'd moved down out by the time
Speaker 4: I sort of especially this sort of stuff happening, so
Speaker 4: I would say yes, But now, if you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, I.
Speaker 5: Was just interested if they had had anything in the
Speaker 5: house on that, you know, to them.
Speaker 4: My brothers never recollected anything. He's really really regimentally against this.
Speaker 4: Actually he's he's he don't believe in anything that's paranormal
Speaker 4: or anything of that nature. But no, he's that he's
Speaker 4: never ever said anything. But like I said, he didn't
Speaker 4: live in the house I lived in. To Mickey me
Speaker 4: when I start bringing up to do it, because I mean,
Speaker 4: I must have met like in my later life. Have
Speaker 4: I become quite fascinated with the current UAP topic, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I am. I mean everything that's coming out now, what
Speaker 4: we're seeing, especially with the congressional hearings and everything over
Speaker 4: in the.
Speaker 1: States, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, and I've and it's what I find very
Speaker 4: very strange is that it's not med news at all, really,
Speaker 4: especially over here.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't see it on the news or anything.
Speaker 4: But yet the evidence has started to mount up and
Speaker 4: it seems to be there and it's becoming less of
Speaker 4: a taboo subject now.
Speaker 1: But even still people like my brother.
Speaker 4: He's not into that all and I've got friends that
Speaker 4: aren't as well. I've got friends that are very much
Speaker 4: like that. They're just deading, not into that stuff that
Speaker 4: didn't win. There's anything with me, but we're friends and
Speaker 4: going to be.
Speaker 5: But I think if all this had happened it started
Speaker 5: about twenty odd years ago, I think it'd be a
Speaker 5: very different story. The problem is these days there's we're
Speaker 5: hit by information. There's always something every day, there's something new,
Speaker 5: something new, something news that's going on, which completely, for
Speaker 5: some reason, just overshadows a lot of this. I mean,
Speaker 5: there is a lot of interest, and there's a lot
Speaker 5: of people which have now got into the subject because
Speaker 5: of it. But I do know what you're saying. It
Speaker 5: should be all across the news every day should be,
Speaker 5: but unfortunately other stuff seems.
Speaker 1: To get in the way.
Speaker 4: Now well yeah, I'm we'll not getting into that one.
Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just an interesting subject. I
Speaker 4: found it interesting, and like I said, in my latter
Speaker 4: of years, I've done a lot of reading and stuff. Obviously,
Speaker 4: watch a lot of things and what have your boot
Speaker 4: these things very much especially I mean, like I said
Speaker 4: that childhood one. I think it's just the action of
Speaker 4: having a dream about something that you couldn't even comprehend.
Speaker 1: I think that's the most bizire one for me personally.
Speaker 4: If I was to look back and go which is
Speaker 4: the weirdest, it'd be that one, Whereas I think the
Speaker 4: whole three lights in the sky, I think that's a
Speaker 4: little bit dulled out for me, because we are starting
Speaker 4: to see things come through now and it is becoming
Speaker 4: less like, oh, he's a madman. It's not like that now.
Speaker 4: There is so much more evidence coming out. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 4: the video footage grainy and what have your. But regardless,
Speaker 4: things are starting to slowly come out and there is
Speaker 4: testimony from credible people coming out, and that's what kind
Speaker 4: of makes it less sort of weird when you look
Speaker 4: back for me anyway particular, and you know, and it's
Speaker 4: the only thing that I've seen. I'll be honest, as
Speaker 4: I've said before, I'm a trucker, so i'm out. I
Speaker 4: do no I sleep out in my truck, so I'm
Speaker 4: out all week. I have not seen a single thing,
Speaker 4: not one thing, while I've been doing my job, and
Speaker 4: I'm always out there looking, you know, and I've not
Speaker 4: seen anything. I've seen Starlink. I freaked out when I
Speaker 4: first saw starlink and then realized it was starlinks, I'm like, well,
Speaker 4: that Starlink's it's fine. But no, I've not seen anything else.
Speaker 4: And I've always got my eyes up. I'm always looking,
Speaker 4: but unfortunately I've not been I wouldn't say lucky enough,
Speaker 4: but I've not seen anything aside from the three lights
Speaker 4: I had seen years.
Speaker 1: And years and years ago.
Speaker 4: That's the only thing that I ever saw in the sky,
Speaker 4: which I don't know that's a good or bad thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, bloody star people still freak out about it, still
Speaker 5: freak out about that. I still get videos about starlink,
Speaker 5: you know. I would suggest, though, if you can pinpoint
Speaker 5: the area and pinpoint the time of you know, when
Speaker 5: you saw these free lights, and just put a little
Speaker 5: report in I.
Speaker 1: Know the earlier well and the time of year.
Speaker 4: I could probably I could get close with inside a month.
Speaker 4: I would think. I'm pretty certain that it was late November.
Speaker 4: I'd have to work the year out. That would take
Speaker 4: me a little time, but I could probably work that out.
Speaker 1: But I certainly know the area.
Speaker 5: You might just find that someone else had seen and
Speaker 5: it's always good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that'd be nice. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I always tell people that, because if you've seen something,
Speaker 5: you know, put a report in, don't just you know,
Speaker 5: leave it, because there's a lot of researchers and people
Speaker 5: which are also trying to find, you know, what they saw.
Speaker 5: So the more information out there the better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, But like I said, I mean, dabbling with the
Speaker 4: Ouiji board when you're really with the young's probably not
Speaker 4: a good idea. Now I know what they're about, but
Speaker 4: I didn't certainly at the time wouldn't have known genuinely.
Speaker 4: The worst part about all this is I was such
Speaker 4: a naive child, but you would not believe, like genuinely
Speaker 4: did not grow up with any sort of like I
Speaker 4: couldn't watch horror films, were allowed to watch them, like,
Speaker 4: nothing like that.
Speaker 1: And that's what meant that dream so weird, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? It's the whole levitating thing. What
Speaker 1: would I have watched at that age with anything like that?
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't have.
Speaker 4: There was nothing especially horrific, And the weird growley thing
Speaker 4: like that for me is why I find that one
Speaker 4: weird and that's why I've always gravitated to that one thing.
Speaker 4: Why did you if it was a dream? How in
Speaker 4: God's name did you dream that. I know, the mind's
Speaker 4: a strange thing, But how did I dream something I
Speaker 4: couldn't even comprehend. I think that's the big one out
Speaker 4: of all of them that I find still to this day,
Speaker 4: difficult to accept if it is a dream, very very
Speaker 4: very I mean, I've got an active imagination, Don't get
Speaker 4: me wrong. I've got a really good imagination. It's served
Speaker 4: me well in music over the years. You know, it's
Speaker 4: really good in my creative side. But when it comes
Speaker 4: down to things like this, I just find it's too
Speaker 4: way too bizarre, way too bizarre, and to be so like,
Speaker 4: do you know to feel the roof like you said,
Speaker 4: I mean you've asked the question, Jenn.
Speaker 1: I feel roof? Yeah? I did. Did I feel other things?
Speaker 4: Yeah, as in the quilt cover coming off me and
Speaker 4: things like that, very conscious and very very like in
Speaker 4: the knowledge of what's happening that particular moment. But then
Speaker 4: to wake up and still be terrified. But why did
Speaker 4: I wake up? We're back a sleep? Like, what's that
Speaker 4: all about? Was it just a dream? Or did I
Speaker 4: wake up and then was I put to sleep?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yours is the only one I listened to in regards
Speaker 4: to this subject. I remember it was only by Johns
Speaker 4: I found you.
Speaker 1: I think I just decided I wanted to listen to
Speaker 1: a podcast. I thought, you know what, wonder if there's
Speaker 1: any UFO ones. I just tapped in ufone this come up.
Speaker 4: That's how I actually found it, and then just listen
Speaker 4: to it ever since.
Speaker 1: But i'd never dabble it. I did.
Speaker 4: I think I did try and listen to a few others,
Speaker 4: but just didn't vibe it, didn't really get along with
Speaker 4: the idea of it. I think how you actually set
Speaker 4: it up worked for me personally, probably clearly worked for
Speaker 4: other people as well, But in regards to, like, you know,
Speaker 4: sharing what I'd got, I'd always been really reluctant.
Speaker 1: I could have got in touch with you when I
Speaker 1: first ever.
Speaker 4: Listened to you, which were a few years back, but
Speaker 4: I didn't, And I think it's because I don't really
Speaker 4: want any attention, and I certainly don't want to speak
Speaker 4: to anyone else about it.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I've done this, be honest, I'm
Speaker 1: not one for it anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, not really one for the whole spotlight thing, or
Speaker 4: I don't want it. I'm not interested. It's just strange experiences.
Speaker 4: I'm when someone's had something similar, and I think that's
Speaker 4: what it is.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 5: There is a lot of of a podcast out there,
Speaker 5: a few good UFO ones, but they have a different
Speaker 5: format and that was something I wanted to avoid. I
Speaker 5: didn't want to be the same as everyone else. You know,
Speaker 5: they do their thing and I can just do my
Speaker 5: own thing. And so it works, Yeah, it does. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I like listen to the stories and sure as how
Speaker 5: thousands of others do as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, And it's just that interest, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's a topic that it's interesting to hear
Speaker 4: other people's views and opinions and things that they may
Speaker 4: have witnessed.
Speaker 1: I think that's what it's all about.
Speaker 4: And it's just like it's almost like a community field
Speaker 4: to it in that regard, I suppose. But yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a good format, mate, and I like it. I really
Speaker 4: like it.
Speaker 5: Glad we got you one.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Glad to be on, Jonathan.
Speaker 5: I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
Speaker 5: It's been wonderful to meet you. Okay, do let us
Speaker 5: know if you have anything strange happen again? All right,
Speaker 5: and definitely keep us updated. Good stuff, you take care
Speaker 5: of yourself and we will speak soon.
Speaker 1: Sir, Thank you very much say that bye.
Speaker 5: Bye for now. Well, that is all for this week.
Speaker 5: Keep updated and connected with the show on x, Facebook
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Speaker 5: like to share on the podcast, you can email me
Speaker 5: at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com or you can
Speaker 5: reach out to me via the contact page on my
Speaker 5: website UFO Chronicles podcast dot com. A big fank you
Speaker 5: Jonathan for sharing tonight and thank you all for listening.
Speaker 5: I will be back next week. Till then, stay safe
Speaker 5: and keep watching us guys. Goodbye