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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Christina and Carmen, and this is another

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episode of a Spooky Tales podcast for all things spooky, paranormal,

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O other places, myths, legends, true crime in Latin America.

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And today today's about Bruchas Brochas. Yeah, not your normal

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like Brucha legend. This is Bruchas during the Spanish Inquisition

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in Mexico. Spanish Inquisition. Mm hmm. But before we get

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to that, we do have a listener's story and if

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you have a story that you want to send to us,

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You can also call the a spooky hotline, which is

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what this listener did. Yay. We love getting voicemails. There's

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just something to heard about someone telling their own speaky story. Truly. Yes,

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but really we love all forms of your stories, so

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send them in also. Yes, yes, yes, Okay, are you ready?

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I'm ready? All right, I'm gonna do one two three

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and then we'll press play. Okay, one two three Hi guys.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nati Viva from Texas. So I have a couple

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of things. It's mostly my parents' house, which was my

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popole's old house. So one day my little brother was

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their at their house and he saw what looked like

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my cousin like run to the kitchen, and so he

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like went over there and he started calling his name,

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and he would he would nowhere to be found. So

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he called my cousin and he's like, hey, uh, where'd

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you go? And he's like, I already left your house.

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It's like, what do you mean you were just in

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the kitchen. I just saw you like run by, and

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he was like, no, I left, I left a while ago.

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And my brother was so scared. He called my mom

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and my dad home and everyone was looking everybody to

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make sure there wasn't like a burglar or anything. And

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from then on, we you know, we kind of just

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tucked it up because we met my purple and he

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should come and visit us and everything. And then like

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a couple of nights later, my mom was like woken

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up to the smell of my grandpa's cigarette smoke and

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it was like right by her window, and she didn't

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get scared or anything. She was like, oh, well, there

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it is. There's there's our sign saying that. Yeah, what's purple?

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That was here? But I thought it was pretty cool.

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Thank y'all for listening. Uh, I love listening to y'all's podcast,

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and I have a great day.

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Speaker 1: Bye wow, thank you for setting that in. Okay, So

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first I thought, no, that's not your your grandpa. I'm sorry,

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that's something sinister, because anytime anyone like pretending to be

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someone else, Yes, yes, and maybe it was. But then

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what do they call him? Popo? Is that what she said? Yeah?

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Then Popo came and got rid of the thing, and

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that's why they smelled h city. That's what I think too,

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because I don't know why Popo would need to represent

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himself as somebody else, And the dida makes sense that whatever,

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like evil sys or thing, it was only a couple

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of days later they smelled popo scent because he was

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there to protect them. Yes, yes, and that that that

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turns this very horrifying thing into something beautiful truly, Yes, yes, yes, Okay,

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should we talk about Brucas during the Spanish inquisition in Mexico.

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Let's do it, Okay, and maybe maybe you're wondering why.

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And that's because the other day I don't know why.

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What the hell of me and you Carman, we're talking

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about that. We were talking about the granddaughters of the Witch,

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were yapping. We were yapping over at our other podcasts,

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we talked about Latin American history, but on Patreon we

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yap about not yep a lot. Yeah, And I don't

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know why either. I don't know how this came up. Well,

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we were talking about witches, so how that quote came up?

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And I remember saying, like, no, y'all are the daughters

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of the Confederacy because I remember laughing it's a joke

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from the internet. I didn't make it up. Yeah, the

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daughters of the people doing the burning. Actually, yes, you're

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the daughters of the burners of the inquisitors. Yeah. So yeah,

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that's why brucas are on our mind, exactly. And I know,

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obviously that's like tied with the Sale Witch trials, which

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famously did not happen in Latin America, right, they happened

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in Salem exactly, fucking dumb, okay, And but you know

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what Latin America did have was the Spanish Inquisition. And

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while there was not big, huge witch trial hunts. There

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was some. There were some more so outside of Mexico

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than in Mexico, but they still happened in Mexico. And

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that's what led me to these notes today. I have

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a couple of witch trials during the Spanish Inquisition in Mexico,

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and we have talked a bit about the Spanish Inquisition

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in previous episodes. I don't know why it came up.

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I think the Madia Pisatro. Yeah, yeah, we talked about it,

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but that was in that was in Mexico, right, yes, no, no, yeah,

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just the Spanish Inquisition in general we talked about. So

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the episode is in Mexico, but right now it's talking

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about the Spanish Acquisition as a whole. Also, sorry, you

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might hear my children more today, okay, but a quick refresher. So,

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the Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition in

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New Spain, that's the long way to say the Spanish Inquisition.

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So in New Mexico what they called Mexico to the

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colonized it. It was established in fifteen seventy one and

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then disbanded in eighteen twenty and the main place where they,

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you know, took all these accusations and reports and stuff

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like that. It was an office located in what is

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today the Museum of Medicine of UNAM, the University of

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in Mexico City. That's where they did this. I went there.

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Oh you did. Well, that's where they did it and

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it's still there. Interesting, which is wild to me. And

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the official number of those prosecuted under the inquisition is unknown,

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but it's estimated that fifty people were executed, and twenty

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nine of those fifty are Judaizurs, a faction of Jewish Christians.

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And I guess if people don't know, there was a

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persecution of Jewish people that started in Spain because of

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queen fuck was the Queen Isabella, I forget their names.

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need to convert, and so then there was like this

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whole movement of Jewish people pretending to convert. Oh I

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did not know that, No, not at all. Oh wow, okay, yeah,

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that's why there's a lot of Jewish people all over

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Latin America. Oh, that was like the start of Jewish

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migration into Latin America. But there's obviously a lot of reasons.

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That's one of the many, and the original intention of

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the Inquisition was to maintain Roman Catholic orthodoxy. But also

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part of it, once they started colonizing the global South,

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part of it was the conversion of the colonized indigenous

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people into Catholicism. And then once that happened, there was

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less punishing of the indigenous people. Like the Inquisition didn't

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really have a say in what the indigenous people did

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after the initial round of colonizing, so like in the

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late like I don't know, seventeen hundreds or whatever, like,

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they weren't punishing indigenous people under the Inquisition. It was

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all mestisos, negros mulatos and that's their words, right, I'm

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just reading my source. Because they had a cast system,

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they had a whole wildcast system, and so the people

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that were not just straight Indigenous, they were the people

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that were punished by the Inquisition. And this they also

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includes Jewish populations, but out of everyone that was persecuted

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by an Inquisition, women usually were the targets, like were

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the majority of people that were actually punished. And so

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this leads to our first story from seventeen oh nine.

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Lorenzo Martinez Montano was a fifty year old Spanish horse

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shoer living in Mexico City, and he went to the

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Holy Tribunal, the office of the Spanish Inquisition, to report

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a bruja, a woman named Bonificia Miranda. Do leave her alone,

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man let her be? And Bonificia was a single mestiza

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who dared to dress like a Spanish woman and also

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happened to be his mistress. Oh my God, of course,

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of course. Uh what is Spanish women dressed like compared

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to Mestisa's. You know, I really am not too sure,

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but I could imagine kind of like fancy dress or

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some shit. Yeah, I imagine that there was an official

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or maybe official dress code that people had to follow,

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because I know the Mariachi chadro suit was originally designated

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for indigenous people because they could not ride horses and

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they had to like be singled out in this uniform.

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lived in my short lived podcast called a Little Bit, Yes, yeah, yeah,

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and I want to bring that back. But I did

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have an episode about the history of the chattel suit,

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and just based on knowing that they did this with

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the chattel suit. I imagine that there was some sort

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of either official or an official dress code, but I

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didn't look it up for this, but that makes sense. Yeah,

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and I mean they had more money. So when the

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inquisitor asked him why he was reporting her, he said,

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Bonifisia had tied him, and now I had to tie.

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What tying is, yeah, m hm, cursedly, cursedly, yeah, crist fully. So.

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Tying or ligatura was a remedy done by Brucas. This

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involved taking an egg, piercing it with a straw, placing

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the hairs of your target slash victim in that hole,

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and then burying the egg where the victim urinated, and

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following these steps tied the target, making it so they

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cannot have intercourse with any women. That's so wild that

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this is from the seventeen hundred. I guess it's not

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that wild. But in Rakan she mentions this practice because

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you know, she teaches the woman or whatever these are

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the old ways. But I'm like, of course she would

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know that, like, yeah, you know these that goes into

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a book, but yeah, passed down and that Yeah, I

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mean that just shows how accurate research is done for

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like horror. Yes, also, yeah, if you haven't read a

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Hurricane of Seasons again, it destroyed us, but it was

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do I recommend it? No, we're not going to do

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this again. We already did this, right, yeah, I did

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it as a speaker recommendation. I'll save my attentionent for later, right, Yeah,

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let's still say it for but yes, so that's what

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Tayan is and following oh, I already said that. It

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makes it so they campen of course. Yeah, but it's

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also something that can be undone. It's not permanent. So

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the inquisitor then asked what made Lorden to believe that's like,

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why would she tie you? Why do you think she

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tied you? And he's like, well, when I first met

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Bonnie Facia, Oh did I say Boni Facia earlier? What

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did you say, Bonnie? It should be Bonnie Fsia. Sorry,

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I may say it wrong, but it's Bonnie Fisia. But

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to give him Coco and we did talk about it

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somewhere else a long time ago. In another episode, I

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remember this about many women who made Coco being persecuted

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under the Spanish inquisition in Guatemala. It was one of

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our Blue Kaye episodes from before. But yeah, this was

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a thing. And so she used to give him cocoa

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and other things to eat, and that's how she probably

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cursed him because he accepted these things from her. And

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he said that during one of their meetups, he felt

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a hair cross into his viral member yea, and ever

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since that day he cannot get it up with his wife.

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For his wife, sir, did you think that maybe this

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could be because there's something else? But no, everything during

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this time was woman's fault exactly. But he had been

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able to perform the deed with Boni Fisia. Obviously this

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was a curse, like it can't be anything else. Wow,

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And to prove his case, Lorenzo brought in a letter

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signed by five witnesses. And I don't know how you

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have witnesses for that? How do you get five witnesses

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for this? And they had to be president while he

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was trying to get along with his wife, right like,

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I can't imagine another way to prove this and then

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right like questionable yeah, yeah. In that same letter, he

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mentions a two year affair with Winifia, during which they

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had a daughter. Oh my god, and he got tired

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of the affair and wanted to end it, and he

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offered to Oneificia to be her compadre and baptized their daughter.

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compadres were considered spiritual kin, and that meant real kin.

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So they were That meant they were going to be

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a real family. And under the rule of the church,

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compadrees couldn't be freaking together. They weren't allowed. Well that

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makes sense, right, because that's like your sibling now, right right,

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your spiritual sibling. Yeah, yeah, you can't do it with them. Interesting,

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end their relationship without saying the words let's let's break

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this up. I don't want to do this anymore. He's like,

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why don't I be her compadre? Wow? Yeah, this is

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like the original way of like, it's not me, it's you. Yes, yes,

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And Bonnie Ficiah, obviously it was not cool. Wait, I

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didn't even say that, right, it's not you, it's me.

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It's wait to say I said it's not me. It's you. Oh,

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and of course I would be like yes, yeah, oh

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my god, what's wrong with us? I know, because it's

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never our fault. No, exactly, And yeah, obviously when if

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I was not cool with this, and so when he

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said that to her, she was like, if you dare

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do this, you will remember me for the rest of

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your life, and also said she wished his wife would die. Oh,

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Sachary catching strays this poor wife. Right first he teats

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on her. He first, he cheats on her for two years,

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and then the mistress is like, yeah, and she should

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fucking die. Also, she was already sick. The wife was sick. Yeah,

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she was already sick. She was just sick, like a

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sick woman. Oh. I don't know remember you saying that before? No,

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I just said right now, I hadn't talked about the wife.

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Oh okay, yeah, and I didn't write notes. Oh, so

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she was sick, she was getting cheated on. He was

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out there having children on her, and then he couldn't

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even have sex with her and then was like die bitch,

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wow wow, yeah, like what it was messed up. But

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Lorenzo ignored when Bonificia said this, He's like whatever, until

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he just couldn't get it up with his wife. Then

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he was like, all right, you cursed me, ruined my marriage.

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It wasn't him. I did would say marriage. He ruined

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his marrige, but okay not according to Lorenzo. And he

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tried to go to Bonnificia for a cure, because again,

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tying someone can be undone, but she was awaiting him

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as she should, right, And then one day he ran

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into Bonnificia's sister and mother and they advised him to

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cut his hair as a cure. I don't know, maybe

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just know what that would have if that would have worked,

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But he didn't want to be because the tying involved hair.

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Oh my god, that makes so much sense because his

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hair was put Oh is that smart? Yeah, you know

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what that could be it, But he didn't want to

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do it. He wanted to keep his hair and I'm like,

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you can't have it. Look what happened exactly for being vain,

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for our Spanish tent trends. And yeah, he didn't listen.

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And then they told them to go to a surgeon

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named Juan Guerrero, and he did do that, maybe because

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it was another man. I don't know what would the

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surgeon even do nothing, nothing except confirmed that Lorenzo was

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definitely cursed. I'm sorry, how is the surgeon qualified to

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make that determination? What do they know about witchery? He

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looked at him, He's like, they know, I got let

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me bring up my prescription pad. Cursed, cursed. You should

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already know this cursed. Yeah. I wonder why he would know.

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What did he do to know officially he was cursed?

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But that was his diagnosis, interesting cursed and so uh.

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Lorenzo's last recourse was going to the Holy Tribunal and

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accusing Bon Monifsia, and the inquisitor then sent Lorenzo to

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another priest at the same holy tribunal, where Lorenzo was

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supposed to confess and hopefully, with this confession his sin

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would be forgiven and thus he would be cured, he

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would be absolved of his sins. And there's no other

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record on what happened to Lorenzo after or if the

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inquisition ever went after Bonnificia. I'm going to hope that

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they didn't and she went on to live a happy

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long life, however long that could be back then, and

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that she went on cursing the men that she wanted

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because they probably deserved it. And I mean Lorenzo did, yes,

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and I wish the same for her. Okay. And so

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this next story also comes from Mexico City, but some

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years after the first one. So wait, how long did

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the inquisition last? Oh? I sit her in the beginning,

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but I had to go look again. Hold on fifteen

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seventy one to eighteen twenty. Oh that's quite a while. Yeah,

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towards the end, they were no longer interested in persecuting

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people the way they did in the beginning, So they

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were just putting them in jail. What were they doing

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nothing at the end. It was like first when they

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arrived into Spain, it was like all about converting all

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the deshase people they could write. Then you know, came

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like the rest of conversation. The mestizos, the all the

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black people they uh trafficked into Mexico. They're offspring. And

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so the that's part a bit. I know all this.

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I want to know what happened. So these this time period,

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Now they were in the late sixteen hundreds, so like that,

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don't know, the end of the seventeen hundreds, this was

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them looking for witchcraft all the accusations of witchcraft. Then

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after that it became like looking for people that were

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making quote unquote packs with the devil, and they wouldn't

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do anything with them. They were kind of the same.

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They would have trials and they would either like say

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confess or exorcisms, right, things like that. Sometimes they didn't

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do anything. Sometimes they just put them in prison. And

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then later they just didn't do anything. They didn't like

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look into these investigations anymore. It just wasn't like worth

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their time. That was like the end towards the end

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of the toward the end of the inquisition. So they're

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just chilling. They weren't doing anything, nothing like this. I

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forgot what their goal was after this, but yeah, there

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was no more persecuting people like there was during these years.

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And then yeah, so yeah, this happened. This one happened

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a few years sins of the first film, but also

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in Mexico City. Frey Diego Nunez was a Spanish and

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slaver living in Mexico City, and in seventeen thirty three

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his life started falling apart because he believed that this

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was happening because of a curse by Bruca, and he

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wrote a letter to the inquisition, and his letter kind

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of told his like a life story and the curse

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and all that. So his arms were so painful he

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could barely manage to move them, and no medicine helped

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at all. This went on for days until he tried

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an incense and then he was healed. After his arms

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were all better, he found that he could no longer pee.

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He couldn't go pee, and this lasted eleven days. He

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probably had a gone a rehab honestly, or syphilis. Syphilis

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is the one actually working that in here, That's what

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I was thinking of. Yeah, And when he was finally

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able to go, he expelled twenty or more normal measures,

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so he just like he peed insane pete wow, like

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an ocean. After that, he started having horrible body aches.

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And this ordeal went on for eight months. Like the

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more I read, the more it sounds like sils No

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cursed by Bruca. Then he started having horrible, horrible body

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ech o. I'm sorry I read that. Oh, then things

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got weird. He claims that after this eight month or

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a deal of all those symptoms, he started having stones

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come out of him over the span of two weeks,

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like kidney stones, No, like stones from all or orifices.

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Oh yeah, including his pee hole. Yes, isn't that a thing? Well,

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kidney stones is a thing, but to come out, but

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he was saying, stones were coming out from everywhere. Oh

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that's the difference. But yeah, Cindy, stones do come out.

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You had to pass them, and it's very painful, like

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compared to childbirth. Painful. And I would say, like man

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on the floor crying painful, But that doesn't mean a lot.

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So these stones one of the many weird things about

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all this. The stones that were coming out of him

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were all different. Some were spongy stones, other were smooth,

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and others were smooth and solid, and some were different colors.

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And sometimes it wasn't even stones but wool wool. Yeah,

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woo whoa, whoa, whoa, yes, wooa what mm hmmm? Did

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other people see these things? Or you know, he didn't

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have Winness sign a letter like Lorenzo wow, So I

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don't believe him. So he said going to the bathroom

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was painful and strange and unusual things came out of

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his body when he went to go pee, and it

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was terrible, things like emeralds, olives, what or stool that

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looked goat like goat like yeah, like goat poop. I

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don't know what got poop looks like me either, Yeah,

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I couldn't. I couldn't. Citys. Yeah, we are not farm girls. No,

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we're not from Adrancho at all. And all of these

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weird ass symptoms were always worse on Sundays, which is

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a day God's day, exactly the most holiest of day. Okay,

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I believe it now. He is cursed. And these all

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these things that were happening to him, combining with them

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being worse on Sunday to Diego, all pointed to one thing, witchcraft.

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This was obviously a curse. It couldn't be anything else.

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And he suspected Yeah, and he suspected one person, a

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woman named Manuela, who prays the woman right always, That's

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what I'm saying, always a woman. And Manuela had been

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enslaved by Diego. It was one of his enslaved people

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that he enslaves. Well, then he deserved to be curbed, right.

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So it's like, if she did it, I'm on her side,

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no doubt about it. Yeah, support her rights and wrongs.

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And all of Frey Diego's troubles began after he caught

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Manuela with another man, a young painter, and he scolded

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them and punished them. Who cares if she's with another man?

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The hell he does, because this is his property, according

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to him, disgusting and so obviously the things that were

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happening to him was Manuela seeking revenge for him punishing

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them and keeping them apart. And this, this, to him,

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explained the spongy rocks and the wool coming out of

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his body, because these were tools painters used. Oh and

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now I'm like, hmm, well maybe maybe maybe, And I

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kind of love her for it, me too, And you know,

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it made sense to him. Manuela had access to curse him.

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She made all of his food, his drinks, she prepared

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his clothes everything. You know what this is similar like

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to who was the other guy for all Lorenzo. Lorenzo's like, oh,

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she made me food, she feded me, so she had

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access and like the ability to curse me. I'm like, man,

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this wouldn't be our problem if you just cook through

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yourself and find yourself. No for real, but no, they

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can't do that. And he also accused her of putting

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love potions in his chocolate hot chocolate. The cocos again

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a common thing. Yeah. Also it's like the there's another

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layer to it because the preparing of the coco, how

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coco was this sacred thing and a lot of like

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especially like the Mexika. So I don't know about other

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indigenous groups, but specifically the Mexica who were in Mexico

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City right like then, but the making of the haw

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coco was the sacred thing used only for rituals or

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to like relieve pain for like women, and the preparers

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of this hot coco traditionally were always women anyway, and

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so this practice would have continued, but now it's this

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demonized thing instead of this sacred thing. So I found

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that fascinating too, because you know me, I love to

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uh look into like what else is going on here? Yeah.

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Diego eventually found another African woman named get through These

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uh to help him with the curse. She was a

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healer and she had the knowledge to get rid of curses.

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And he improves a little bit after reaching out to

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get Through These for help, and he sent Manuela away,

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but not before punishing her with daily beatings bitch, And

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so I stand by him deserving it. He should have

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been cursed even worse, honestly, right, Yeah, but after he

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sent Manuela away, he was not getting fully better just

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a little bit, and get through these at all, right,

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get through these told Diego that the reason he wasn't

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healing because he's a bitch. Yeah, I get through these.

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Told Diego the reason he wasn't healing faster is because

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Manuela had a doll of him and she was using

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the doll for witchcraft. And the only way for him

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to be fully better was for Manuela to get rid

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of the doll or give him the doll. And so

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he went to Manuila and demanded the doll and told her,

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if you give me the doll, I will set you free.

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I don't know if he actually did, but get through

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These went to her to Manuela and did get the

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doll back, and still there was no improvement with Diego.

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And so when he wasn't getting better, he began to

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suspect that Get Through These and Manuela were working together

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Wow to curse him. And just as he was like,

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you know what, she's probably in on it, he ran

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into some Spanish woman who told him that she saw

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get through these performing black magic. It's like they were

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just getting people to snitch on each other. Oh yeah,

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that was whole, the whole like dynamic that was set up.

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It's like this long history of snitching on people. Yeah,

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and he's like, yeah, you know what. She probably wasn't

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even trying to help me from the beginning. Her and

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Manuana were working together to curse me. Wow, they should have.

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And we only know this because he sent a letter

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to the Spanish Inquisition. He didn't go in person. But

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other than that, there's no record of what happened to

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him after Manuela de Bocanegra or get through these like,

463
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:19,359
there's no nothing. Well I hope that nothing bad happened

464
00:30:19,359 --> 00:30:24,079
to them. Yeah. Same. But you can find his letter.

465
00:30:24,519 --> 00:30:26,880
I have the link if anyone wants to read it

466
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,559
in Spanish. It's in the archives of the Spanish Inquisition,

467
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:34,519
which is archived under like the Mexican government has a

468
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:37,440
section of things under that, and that's where that letter is.

469
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,680
So yeah, those are two cases of bruchheria during the

470
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,960
Spanish Inquisition, which we really have to wonder was it

471
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:51,079
actually bruckheria more likely not, Yeah, but if it was

472
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:56,960
and whatnot. But even if they did, I don't care.

473
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,960
I'm right for them yeah. Same. Hopefully these these girlies

474
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:05,799
lived out their full lives. They continure to their full

475
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:10,599
thirty years old life. Yeah yeah, and continue to set

476
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,799
their crisis upon the world, so we can only hope.

477
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:20,759
Yeah and yeah. That's it for this episode. Also, I

478
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:22,799
didn't say this at the beginning, but I'm trying to

479
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:26,240
do short episodes because we need to create a backlog,

480
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,640
like I have a little mini vacation coming up this

481
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:33,720
weekend and then again at the end of the month.

482
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,799
At the end of the month, Carmen and I will

483
00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,480
be can we say what we're doing? Oh? We should? Yeah?

484
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:42,559
Do you want to say we're going to leave y'all? Yes?

485
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:47,640
And for those that don't know, it's the la that

486
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:54,240
the National Film Festival. Yes, we were invited by. These

487
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:58,599
are the one of the writers of Madris who reached

488
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,599
out and says she wrote or directed, wrote and directed.

489
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,720
I forgot already. Wow, this is terrible anyway, this short,

490
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:12,200
this Western horror called The Hour of Blood. I love

491
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,519
Western horror, Yes, I can't. I only read like one

492
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:22,319
Western horror Vampires. Oh wait two? Oh, okay, Let's own

493
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:28,440
Woman by Victor Lavelle. Oh what yes? Okay? Oh? How

494
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,480
was that, so good bye bout All. I'm gonna add

495
00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:34,599
it to my list. You would love it. I loved

496
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:36,559
his other book that I already forgot, the one with

497
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,839
the Devil. The Devil I can't remember. But yeah, she

498
00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:47,599
uh invited us to watch her short, and even though

499
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,440
it's a very short short, UH worth the whole trip

500
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,160
for us. So we're gonna go Karmen is gonna pick

501
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,480
me up or leaving the children with our Mathenet, and

502
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:01,519
then we're gonna head to La to watch that. So

503
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,519
and I don't know, maybe we'll do some other stuff too. Yeah, yeah,

504
00:33:05,599 --> 00:33:08,359
that'll be fun. Maybe we'll run into some listeners somewhere.

505
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:11,319
If you see us, we don't know who you are,

506
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,720
so you can say hi. Yeah. But yeah, I'm excited

507
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,160
for that movie. I was gonna say it's gonna stout

508
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,079
the movie. Oh. The name of the movie kind of

509
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:26,920
reminds me of this other occurrence in Texas history called

510
00:33:27,119 --> 00:33:31,440
the Hour of Blood, where they went killing Mexicans, and

511
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,240
I remember if it was I wonder if Bill has

512
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:37,400
to do with that, I wonder, I wonder. I don't

513
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,920
know it's set around that time period, because I think

514
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,799
it was set in nineteen fifteen or was it maybe

515
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:49,000
before that. They don't quote me on that, but yeah, so, yeah,

516
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,279
we're gonna be doing things, so we need to create

517
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:55,680
a little backlog for us so we can still release episodes. Yeah,

518
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,519
and it's hard. It is hard now here. It is

519
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:11,679
it is. But do you have any spooky recommendations? I do,

520
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,280
because I feel like I don't know what I've been doing.

521
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,480
I feel like I haven't been recommending anything. Oh well,

522
00:34:16,599 --> 00:34:19,679
last time I wasn't on you went here last time? Yeah,

523
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,639
and yes that was Christina's fault. I gave her the

524
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:30,840
wrong date time both time time. Okay, the date was correct. Okay, Yeah,

525
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:33,800
I did I talk about No, I think I did.

526
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,599
The reason I don't remember is because you had already

527
00:34:35,639 --> 00:34:38,679
recommended this cursed houts and then I read it, yes

528
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,840
after you, And I think that's why why I didn't

529
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,440
talk about it, because you had already talked about it. Yeah,

530
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:48,559
it's so good anyway, yes, so good. But I listened

531
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:54,000
to two was it two pretty Hendrick's books? Oh? Yeah,

532
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,119
the new one. I didn't recommend that either. Huh yet

533
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,800
I remember I talked to you about it. Oh wait,

534
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,360
I listened to three Grady Hendricks books. You've been on

535
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,880
a Grady Hendrix kick, Yes, and you know what why?

536
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:14,159
You know why? Not what? Anyway? And you know why? Okay,

537
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:18,719
why because I so on Libby. I had a hold

538
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:22,760
for Witchcraft for Wayward Girls, which is his newest book,

539
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,639
came out probably like what last month, I think or

540
00:35:25,679 --> 00:35:29,079
two months ago, and I had a hold on it.

541
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:31,599
It took like two months so it finally became available.

542
00:35:31,639 --> 00:35:36,880
So I listened to that, and then recently I learned

543
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:44,320
about this free library like app to for all California residents.

544
00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:46,519
Oh yeah, I think I had told you about it,

545
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:48,039
but I don't think I've talked about it on here.

546
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:52,639
I thought I told you about it. Why would you

547
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:54,599
tell me? I send you a Threads post I saw,

548
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:57,440
Oh yes, maybe that's how I found out about it. Yeah,

549
00:35:57,559 --> 00:35:59,559
I'm like, why would you tell me about it? By

550
00:35:59,599 --> 00:36:05,199
the fun why would you not? Kelly Resident? You fucking

551
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:11,159
wash it him, bitch, whoa, whoa, whoa, calm down, I'm

552
00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:14,880
just kidding. Uh anyway, Yeah, Christina told me about it

553
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:20,360
after all that. But anyway, it's super simple and there's

554
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,960
a pdf online about how to sign up for it.

555
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,000
But it's still pretty simple. You do have to be

556
00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:28,159
in California because it uses your GPS thing. Okay, No,

557
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,079
I remember I was visiting you when you told me

558
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:31,440
about it, and I'm like, I'm gonna wait till I

559
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,639
get back right. The app is called Palace, and then

560
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:38,519
you search California's bookshelf and there is a whole shit

561
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:41,280
town of books on there. Oh, no, wonder you've been

562
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,920
reading so much more? Yes, yeah, one of them, this

563
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:46,880
Chris House, I read on my phone because that's the

564
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,400
thing is, so if you have if you like to

565
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,679
read on Kindle, it doesn't you can't send them to

566
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,480
your kindle. Oh, so I read it on my phone,

567
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:56,159
This Chris House, which is it wasn't bad because I

568
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,519
finally got a new phone with the biggest screen a

569
00:36:58,599 --> 00:37:02,199
while ago. But yeah, they have a lot of audiobooks too,

570
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,800
and they even have a Spanish section. I haven't listened

571
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,079
to any Spanish books. Wow, But you know, it's the

572
00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:08,840
funniest thing. I was on there looking to see what

573
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,079
they had, and then I even screenshirted it because when

574
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:13,000
I read it, when I read the title just from

575
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:17,800
the small like little screen that was there, I thought,

576
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:23,360
so a Colleen Hoover book is on there in Spanish

577
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:28,320
and it's called rob It's it ends with us. But

578
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:33,400
when I read the title, I thought, oh, my fucking god,

579
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,760
it looks like you're from far away. So I was like,

580
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,360
excuse me. And then I was like, oh, it's miss

581
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:44,159
Colin Hooper. What Colleen? Excuse me? But anyway, so, yeah,

582
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:46,719
they have a lot of audiobooks on there and so,

583
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,519
and they have way more Grady Hendrix than Libby my

584
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:53,960
library does, and Liby is different for every county. So

585
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:56,079
I mean, yeah, mine has a lot of books that

586
00:37:56,079 --> 00:38:00,159
yours doesn't, way more. Yeah, but yeah, I listened to

587
00:38:00,559 --> 00:38:03,679
so wait, first of all, which word which craft for?

588
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,760
We Were Girls? Was super interesting? You talked about that

589
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,719
one I sent you like a voice message or text

590
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,920
about it. That's what I'm taking. Yeah, sorry, all right,

591
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,000
So I did. I was telling Christiane about it that

592
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:19,960
I could see it being very triggering because there's a

593
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,440
lot of like body horror and like, I don't know,

594
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:28,840
pretty graphic descriptions of like child births, and they're pretty

595
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,199
mean back then to those girls, those teen girls also that,

596
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,559
so they treat them even worse. And you know, back

597
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:43,679
then there was even less respecting of like the person

598
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,400
giving birth of their wishes and everything like that. Right,

599
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,760
there's like a lot of that going on. But I

600
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,679
did think it was gonna be a little bit more witchy,

601
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,480
but the like the witchiness happens in the background of

602
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:57,079
what the girls are going through. But it was still

603
00:38:57,079 --> 00:38:59,599
super interesting. I would say, I think I would have

604
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:02,280
preferred to read it then to listen to it, because

605
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,000
when one of the girls is giving birth, like the

606
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:11,039
narrator straight up screams, Oh that's right, you did tell

607
00:39:11,079 --> 00:39:13,920
me that. Yeah, And it's a little it's a little much,

608
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,360
am much. Yeah. I was like, I feel like I

609
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,320
almost fast forward it. I probably would have. I should have,

610
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,599
because I'm like, I don't need to listen to this. Yeah. Yeah,

611
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:28,480
but it was still good and I liked it, and

612
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:30,119
I did end up breating it four and a half

613
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:34,480
out of five for me, Okay, And then I listened

614
00:39:34,519 --> 00:39:37,880
to my best friend's Exorcism. That one. I loved. It

615
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,880
was amazing. Yeah, that was good. And my favorite thing

616
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,199
was the friendship. There's nothing that I love more than

617
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:50,719
a writer die friendship. Friendship, and that's what these girls

618
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,519
had till the end. Yet a full variant and the

619
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:56,159
end I literally almost cried. That takes a lot for

620
00:39:56,199 --> 00:40:01,000
Carmen to cry yeah, because she's dead inside exactly exactly yes.

621
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,519
And then I listened to Stickum dead and sign oh

622
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:13,599
yeah is dead insigne No, just the inside, Okay. I

623
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:17,119
listened to We Sold Our Souls by Grady Hendricks, and

624
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,639
I think that I need to I need to just

625
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:25,000
like got that that books about heavy rock or like

626
00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:29,239
rock pands are not for me. Oh yeah, I would

627
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,639
probably just skip on that, skip that yeah alone. Yeah,

628
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,920
I some parts were grabbed. They grabbed my attention. So

629
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,960
I did end up braiding it three because so I

630
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,960
don't know if it just didn't catch my attention and

631
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:46,239
I missed a lot, and then I'm like, what happened?

632
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:48,760
So that's I'm like, I feel like I couldn't give

633
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,519
it less than three like I wanted, because I'm like, okay,

634
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:53,480
what if it was my fault for not paying attention,

635
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:56,039
but also it didn't grasp it didn't keep my attention,

636
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,400
and then out the book has to be like interesting

637
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,760
and good for me to pay attention if not in

638
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,519
my mind goes elsewhere, and that happened with this one.

639
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,599
So I did see like a lot of the reviews

640
00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,440
were like, you know, if they liked rock and like

641
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:14,159
listen to that music, then they liked it more than

642
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,719
others who didn't. So I think I just fall in

643
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,639
that camp that it's not for me, because I felt

644
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:22,280
the same way about what was it called the other

645
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:30,000
book by Oh I did not much care for that either. Video. Yes,

646
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:35,079
Ghost Radio gave off the same vibes as this one. Yeah,

647
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:37,360
our souls And you know, maybe it's my fault. I

648
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:42,559
was expecting something like Jennifer's Buddy Oh okay, yeah, because

649
00:41:42,599 --> 00:41:46,960
you know that band sells their souls. Yes, yes, and

650
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:49,679
that was my bad because also another thing I don't

651
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:54,920
like about Palace is that you can't read a summary

652
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,760
of the book. You just have to just the title.

653
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,840
You have to go off five.

654
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

655
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've been finding books that I already know

656
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,280
about and know what they're about, so it had him

657
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,119
been a problem for me, But this one, I was like, well,

658
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:09,840
I like every Grady Hendrix book that I read. I like,

659
00:42:10,559 --> 00:42:12,960
so I was like, I'll like it too, But it

660
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:17,679
was for me, I don't think, Okay, okay, Yeah, I

661
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,840
have heard critiques of him, especially in the way word,

662
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,079
which is one about the way he writes black women.

663
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,480
But I haven't read it, so I don't know. I

664
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:35,000
heard the same thing about the Southern Women's Book Club Guide,

665
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,760
whatever the hell was called. You know what you're talking about, right, Yeah,

666
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,880
i'd about both of those killing vampires or whatever it

667
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:45,159
was called. Yeah, I don't know if I'm just dumb

668
00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:49,119
and I miss you know, we have said we are

669
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,800
dumb in other books. I grasp when something's a little off.

670
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:55,880
Oh my god. You know what I haven't talked about

671
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,480
and I haven't even wanting to make a tick talk

672
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:02,159
about talking shit about this book. Incidents. No, it's not

673
00:43:02,199 --> 00:43:07,000
called incidents. That's another one, okay, because I liked incidents around.

674
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:13,000
I haven't even read that anyway. I think that was

675
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,679
basically it about. Okay, but now I want to know

676
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,880
what book you're talking about right now. It's because I

677
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,079
was saying that I do. I usually do catch like

678
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,440
things like, wait, this is a little off, this is

679
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:27,719
like like racist, this is like depiction of this race,

680
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,960
this is very flat. Yeah, yeah, sometimes I can catch it.

681
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,800
I I don't know if I if I just like

682
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,840
Grady Hendrix, then it misses me because I'm an apologist. Yes,

683
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,840
I'm a Grady Hendricks apologist, I am. But yeah, because

684
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,960
I think they say, hey, you, this is a magical

685
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:48,920
Negro trope. That's what I That's what it was. I

686
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,440
couldn't remember what it was, but yeah, I think that's

687
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,480
what I heard too. Yeah, and his books are very white,

688
00:43:54,519 --> 00:43:58,000
but he's white, and I think it's hard. I don't know,

689
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,480
I don't I an, I just kidding. I'm not defending.

690
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:05,840
I'm an apologize. You definitely a white man. Don't make

691
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,440
me defend great handed. I'm just kidding. I think that

692
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,559
it's a tricky area because you also don't want to

693
00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:15,639
get into a white author writing people of color or

694
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:18,960
black people and then stereotyping and not doing a good

695
00:44:19,039 --> 00:44:20,760
job about it. And so I'm like, I don't know,

696
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,400
do I prefer them to stick to the what they

697
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,360
know or not? Also another critique I saw, I saw

698
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,800
people saying, you can clearly tell this it's written by

699
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:34,679
a man. Oh, I have heard that about the way

700
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:37,760
he rants women. But I don't know. Maybe I'm not

701
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,519
one of the other girls because I haven't noticed me either.

702
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,840
That's what I'm saying. I think because I am a

703
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,119
signe no, in a way. Same because I sighed about

704
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:50,639
The Final Girls Support Club. Oh, I haven't read that.

705
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,440
On Saturday, it is on Polis, so it's on my list. Yeah,

706
00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:55,440
you should read it. But I'm like, I don't know.

707
00:44:55,599 --> 00:44:58,840
I mean, there are traumatized survivors. I don't I don't know.

708
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,639
I don't notice. I didn't notice that. And I feel

709
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:05,960
like I have noticed it in other books or like

710
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,559
when I've watched I don't know. I don't know if

711
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:11,360
it's just easier to miss for in his books, but

712
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:17,320
I haven't felt any kind of way about his women characters. Yeah, same, same,

713
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,000
And and I found that critique about the Southern Women's Guides,

714
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:23,719
and I keep forgetting what it's called the exact title

715
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:31,320
of Southern Guides book Club Vampires some feeling, I think

716
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,400
something you know, people will people will know, but I

717
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,400
don't know. I didn't get that vibe because to me,

718
00:45:37,519 --> 00:45:42,960
all the women were so different, but they were all

719
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:46,360
in some way being like controlled by the men in

720
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,480
their lives. But I don't think that's wrong. I think

721
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:52,760
that's true, especially in that time because it was. It's

722
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,360
not current, so I don't know, And I think the

723
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,199
same thing may be said for which word wayward? Ever,

724
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:07,239
which way weard? School for girls? Yes, everything like that

725
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:14,039
gets worse, It gets more incorrectly as we say it. Yeah, yeah,

726
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:19,400
more wrong as I go on. But yeah, I mean

727
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,079
the thing can be said like to me, each character

728
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,079
was different and it was written of those times, you know.

729
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,400
So I don't know. I don't feel like that when

730
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:33,639
I read his books. But maybe other people are smarter

731
00:46:33,679 --> 00:46:43,880
than me. That's true for sure. But yeah, I listened

732
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,280
to Hidden Pictures. Have you heard of this book? I haven't.

733
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,760
It's by Jason Ricculac, and I had heard good reviews

734
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,360
about it, but then as I was listening to it,

735
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,440
I'm like, what the fuck? So then I go. I

736
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:01,000
whenever i'm feeling like what the hell, I go and

737
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,800
look at the reviews. You go searching for opinions. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

738
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,000
see if they match with you with what you're thinking.

739
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:11,960
Of course. Yeah, and some people felt as weird as

740
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,880
I did. And I've been wanting to look more into

741
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,360
this author to see what he's about because of how

742
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,400
weird the book was. What is this book about?

743
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:22,599
Speaker 2: So?

744
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,800
Speaker 1: Fresh out of rehab, Malory Quinn takes a job in

745
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,719
the affluent suburb of Springbrook, New Jersey, as a babysitter

746
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:35,039
for ted and Carolyn Maxwell. She is to look after

747
00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:39,760
their five year old son, Teddy. Malory immediately loves his

748
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,840
new job. She lives in the Maxwell's poolhouse, goes out

749
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,440
for nightly runs, and has the stability she craves, and

750
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:49,400
she sincerely bonds with Teddy, a sweet, shy boy who

751
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:53,119
is never without his sketchbook and pencil. His drawings are

752
00:47:53,159 --> 00:47:56,679
the usual fair trees, rabbits, balloons, but one day he

753
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,599
draws something different, a man in the forest dragging a

754
00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:04,119
woman's lifeless body. As the day's passed, Teddy's artwork becomes

755
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:07,679
more and more sinister, and his stick figures steadily evolve

756
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:12,119
into more detailed, complex and lifelike sketches will beyond the

757
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:15,239
ability of any five year old. Mallory begins to suspect

758
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,679
these are glimpses of an unsolved murder from long ago,

759
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:22,000
perhaps relayed by a supernatural force lingering in the forest

760
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:25,960
behind the Maxwell's house. With help from a handsome landscaper

761
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:29,599
and an eccentric neighbor, Mallory sets out to decipher the

762
00:48:29,639 --> 00:48:32,800
images and save Teddy. While coming to terms with the

763
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,239
tragedy in her own past before it's too late. So

764
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:44,320
from that description, yes, okay, it's called hidden pictures. Okay.

765
00:48:44,639 --> 00:48:47,360
And the cool thing I guess from people that read

766
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,400
it the drawing. There's drawings that the kid draws are

767
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,679
in the book, So I mean that's a cool aspect.

768
00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:58,039
So I was suspecting I guess, like, you know, something supernatural, paranormal.

769
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:05,280
It was weird. So this couple and spoilers ahead this couple,

770
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:09,559
Ted and Carolyn are like super liberal, but like you know,

771
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:15,400
like like liberal in the bad sense, which is a liberal, yes,

772
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:21,079
derogatory in the sense of derogatory, And so I don't

773
00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:25,079
know if it's supposed to be like satirical or if

774
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:30,639
like so they have all these rules that Mallory Mallory

775
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:33,880
is supposed to follow, and does it even say anything

776
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:37,039
about her oh Fresh Shadow rehab it does say. Okay,

777
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,800
so Malory is super into AA or n A whatever

778
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,960
the hell. She's always talking about God, which is fine.

779
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:49,840
People believe in God. I'm not against that, and but

780
00:49:51,159 --> 00:49:54,719
not Mallory. Ted and Carolyn are against that. And so

781
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,000
they don't want her to to talk to Ted about

782
00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:02,159
her religion because they're all about science in science, which understandable,

783
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:06,280
but it's fine. It's dark kid blah blah blah. But

784
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,800
there's like little like equips here and there about that,

785
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:12,920
and I don't know, it's it's weird. Mallory also loves JK.

786
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:16,039
Rowling and Harry Potter, and to me in this day

787
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:21,599
and age, it's weird. And this book was published in

788
00:50:21,639 --> 00:50:28,639
twenty twenty two, so to be for me to be

789
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,920
praising and mentioning Harry Potter as much as this book does,

790
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:38,000
it's fucking weird. It's weird, Okay. So that was a

791
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:41,840
red flag for me. And then this liberal couple they

792
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:46,840
have all these stringent rules that are over the top

793
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:53,880
with with what they allow and don't allow for Teddy, right,

794
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:57,960
And one of those things is that I forgot what

795
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:04,599
Teddy asks that he asks something like about biological sex

796
00:51:04,679 --> 00:51:09,239
or whatever. And then the mom Carolyn, did I say

797
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,039
her name was Carolyn? I think you're forgetting their names? Yeah, Carolyn.

798
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:16,760
So at one point she tells Mallory like, no science,

799
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,599
only this, and that we bought him this book that

800
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,119
supposedly is like a sex at a book, but in

801
00:51:24,199 --> 00:51:28,880
the book she talks about, oh, it teaches him about

802
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:33,480
how men have sex with each other, and it has pictures,

803
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,800
And I'm like, what kind of mother would teach a

804
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,679
five year old like you can talk to them. You

805
00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:42,320
can talk to five year olds about their bodies and

806
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:45,679
or production in a way that is age appropriate and

807
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,559
it would not involve any kind of image of pictures

808
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:56,519
or description of sex. Right, yeah, but this sounds this

809
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,239
sounds like it's like yes. So I was like, all right,

810
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,639
we probably got there, but that's what I felt. And

811
00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:09,079
then so there's that, and then it turns out that

812
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:15,000
Carolyn couldn't have children and she stole this fucking kid.

813
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:21,760
Oh oh, and she's a girl. And to hide what

814
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,880
they did, they made her be a boy and so

815
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,239
they made her dress up like a boy, and so

816
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:32,239
then they wouldn't Can Maori help help her out with

817
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,320
anything like having to do like with the bathroom whatever?

818
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,239
And the reason that may Malorie finds out is because

819
00:52:40,679 --> 00:52:43,239
they go swimming and then she's rinsing. Oh you know

820
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,840
what I just remembered. Sorry, I'm like, I can't talk

821
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,800
in a straight manner direct mat Yeah. So anyway, so

822
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,519
I was saying that Carolyn bring mentions this book that

823
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:58,159
talks about sex between men and blah blah, which, of

824
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:00,480
course no one in the right mind it doesn't. This

825
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:03,639
sounds like what they think sex at is at school.

826
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:08,440
It sounds like propaganda and right wing brain rot. Yes. Yeah,

827
00:53:08,599 --> 00:53:11,840
So the reason that comes up is because the kid

828
00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:16,559
asks Mallory if she has if her body part sticks

829
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:20,840
out or something like that, and then Mallory, I forgot

830
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,239
what Mallory tells her. But then Carolyn is like, oh, oh,

831
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,880
I would appreciate if you didn't talk about these things.

832
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,239
And we have these books for Teddy so that he

833
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,360
can learn. And then this one talks about never remember

834
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,639
if she talks about it and describes with in it

835
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,920
or if Mallory looks at it, but either way, the book,

836
00:53:38,159 --> 00:53:39,920
which is supposed to be for a five year old,

837
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,199
talks about sex between men and then talks about like

838
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:51,000
trans things and whatever like yeah, which again, no one

839
00:53:51,039 --> 00:53:53,320
in the right mind is teaching five year olds about

840
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:58,159
self and graphic descriptions or even descriptions of sex, Like

841
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:01,599
nobody does that, you know, ridiculous, So it is it

842
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:06,960
feels like it's like dog whistling. Yeah, yeah, so that

843
00:54:07,079 --> 00:54:10,199
was weird. So what that's two weird things so far. Yeah.

844
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,199
And then the landscaper that Mellory meets, I keep saying

845
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:18,760
her name, weird matory. She was saying Mellory like melody

846
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,280
or something. Yes, I know, I heard you. And then

847
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:29,880
the landscaper that Malory meets is its Latino, but his

848
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:33,960
family owns the landscaping business or they're well off, and

849
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:41,159
she's surprised they're well off, you have money. And there's

850
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:44,280
this part where they the guy and I forgot his name,

851
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,800
he talked to his dad in Spanish and it's not

852
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:51,119
even correct. It's I wish I remembered what they told

853
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:53,079
each other because I heard it and I was like,

854
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:58,760
excuse me, that's wrong. Nobody talks like that. Oh no.

855
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:04,000
And so then you know, the paranormal things are happening.

856
00:55:04,199 --> 00:55:08,840
And Mallory of course believes in the paranormal because she's religious,

857
00:55:09,159 --> 00:55:11,599
but some religious people don't whatever, so you know what

858
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:14,719
I mean. But she does, yeah, and then she tries

859
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,400
to like help. And then this neighbor, exentric neighbor who's

860
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:23,400
described as eccentric, she's a racist. She goes on a

861
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:26,079
rant and I'm like, okay, she could have been eccentric,

862
00:55:26,119 --> 00:55:29,119
but she didn't have to be like this. Yeah, she

863
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:33,119
goes on a rant to Mallory about illegals and this

864
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:36,079
and that, and then Mallory's like, yeah, she has her

865
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,480
she said in her ways, but she's nice. No, And

866
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:44,360
then the neighbors are like or the Carolyn and the

867
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,639
husband are like, don't talk to her. I don't know.

868
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:49,760
Everyone is just like a everyone's weird in this book.

869
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,360
This sounds very weird. Yeah. So then yeah, they they

870
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:58,760
couldn't have kids themselves, these parents, so they steal liberal parents,

871
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:03,400
these liberal parents who are teaching, who forced their girl

872
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,679
daughter that they took because they couldn't have kids, so

873
00:56:06,679 --> 00:56:09,360
they forced them to be a boy. Forced this girl

874
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,400
to be a boy. And then the girl is all

875
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,800
confused about I'm sorry, this sounds like a right wingers

876
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,559
a wet dream. Yeah, no truly. So then in the end,

877
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,199
Mallory figures it out because of something that the girl asks,

878
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:28,679
either she sees her in the shower, because she asks

879
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:31,119
for help after they swim whatever, So she figures out

880
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:35,039
the secret. But that's her only hint. It's not enough.

881
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:39,119
So it's like it doesn't make sense how she figures

882
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:43,119
this out either, like their whole plan. Yeah, and so yeah,

883
00:56:43,159 --> 00:56:47,519
it turns out that Carolyn took this girl from a

884
00:56:48,679 --> 00:56:53,920
European immigrant who was a bad mom because she was

885
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:58,159
in the park being an artist drawing and not paying

886
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:02,400
attention to her daughter. That sounds like another right or

887
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:08,079
another whistle there about how well more attentive to their children. Yes, yeah,

888
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:12,079
it was so weird. And and then the husband just

889
00:57:12,119 --> 00:57:16,039
goes along with it with the plan. Yes, because a

890
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:20,000
liberal man and a liberal couple doesn't have the pants

891
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:21,920
to say no, that's wrong. We need to give back

892
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,320
this baby, right right? Yeah, And it was it was weird.

893
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,719
And then overall the book has four stars, and I'm like,

894
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,920
four stars, Yeah, that's animate treading. It's kind of shocking.

895
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,159
But I did see some reviews that felt the same

896
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:36,719
way that I did. I'm trying to pull one up

897
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,760
to see if there's anything that I missed. But it

898
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:46,599
was super weird and so yeah, I mean, besides all

899
00:57:46,639 --> 00:57:51,360
the weird shit with the liberal couple, I was, I'm

900
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,599
so over that whole. I've read a few other horror

901
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:58,400
books that have the same trope about infertile woman being

902
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:03,119
crazy and stealing kids. Oh yeah, it's a thing, and

903
00:58:03,199 --> 00:58:06,119
I feel like I never noticed before and then now

904
00:58:06,239 --> 00:58:09,480
everything I fucking read is that even that book I

905
00:58:09,639 --> 00:58:12,360
liked the what I thought it was called Lone Woman,

906
00:58:14,119 --> 00:58:18,679
that lady wants to steal a kid. And then someone says,

907
00:58:18,679 --> 00:58:25,280
didn't realize it was sci fi. It's not even sci fi. Okay, okay,

908
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,760
let me see this one. Maybe they gave it a

909
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,079
one star, says spoilers. Throughout this book was a three

910
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:34,480
at best for the first three fourths and goes completely

911
00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:38,559
off the rails from their flat characters that are all

912
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:42,239
tired cliches. The neighbors an old lady who hates immigrants.

913
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:45,480
The protagonist is a Christian with a troubled history and

914
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,000
the heart of gold. The parents are crazy liberal atheists

915
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:51,719
who scoff at religion and use what the author characterizes

916
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:55,400
as the evils of transgender ideology to hide their crimes

917
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,000
at the expense of a poor And it's a little

918
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,199
girl who just wants to wear purple or rights right.

919
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:02,599
They don't let her win certain things, and she like,

920
00:59:02,679 --> 00:59:06,039
I don't know that's a thing in the book. After

921
00:59:06,039 --> 00:59:08,960
her kidnappers forced her to live as a boy. And

922
00:59:09,079 --> 00:59:11,320
one of the things that gets them caught is because

923
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,719
the school is forcing them that's right to provide basic

924
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:19,000
vaccination history, which is a standard at any school. So

925
00:59:19,199 --> 00:59:24,159
now it's also anti vax Oh god. The twist initially

926
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:27,559
reads as a trans reads as trans identity as a

927
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plot device, which is already annoyed, but then it turns

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out to not even be trans identity. It's a plot

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contrived by the evil atheist liberals whose lack of faith

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00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:39,280
caused them to have no morals at all, solving their

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infertility problems with murder, kidnapping, and a Fox News pundits

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idea slash worst nightmare of a couple of a god,

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of a couple of godless atheists forcing a child to

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be trans. I read that Regulac. The author was asked

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if he hates trans people, and he said he supports

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the transmitter community. But what else was he supposed to say?

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He's not JK. Rowling, No matter how many positive mentions

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of Harry Potter he sneaks into this book, Oh my god, yes, exactly.

939
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That's how he felt. It was so fucking weird. I'm like,

940
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why are you even talking about Harry Potter so much? Right? Like,

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I know it's big in a lot of millennials childhoods

942
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,800
but you'll never see me, you know, praising JK Rowling

943
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,840
because it's not only even Harry Potter. She like directly

944
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,360
mentions J. K Rowling a couple times. I don't know

945
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if it's a couple of times or what, but I

946
01:00:35,719 --> 01:00:38,960
don't know. It's just weird, like in this day and age. Okay,

947
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I think that's pretty much like the main thing. There's

948
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,559
another one that says right wing propaganda and unearned twist

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01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,199
conservative dog whistles on specific topics such as liberal parents

950
01:00:51,239 --> 01:00:55,159
and atheism versus religion. I can't in good faith recommend

951
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:57,760
the book because I ultimately feel some of these messages

952
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are quite harmful to put out in the world. Oh

953
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,280
see that. So it says, for a book released in

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twenty twenty two, if you referred to Harry Potter, I'm

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01:01:05,519 --> 01:01:07,920
going to give you a pass initially, but when you

956
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very directly positively highlight how good of a writer jk

957
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:14,920
Rowling is, alongside how this book discussed the story issues,

958
01:01:15,039 --> 01:01:21,760
the trends issues, you know what you're doing. So yeah, yeah, yeah, wow,

959
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:29,760
I can't believe I hadn't talked about that. Well, I

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01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:32,599
feel like you gave enough recommendation. Sorry, Yeah, I went

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on because I have not watched anything except Er. Still. Yes,

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01:01:40,159 --> 01:01:42,599
I've been watching Er in my free time and then

963
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:48,440
listening to Jesus and John Wayne. I'm almost done with it.

964
01:01:48,719 --> 01:01:50,400
I was like, why did I think you? I keep

965
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:55,239
stopping to finish other books, but I haven't been reading

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01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:59,639
horror books. I read a fantasy series which I honestly

967
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:02,519
don't know how I feel about, by N. K. Jefferson.

968
01:02:02,599 --> 01:02:05,480
I loved her Broken Earth series, but this is her

969
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:08,400
first series, and I already forgot what it was called.

970
01:02:08,639 --> 01:02:13,000
There's a lot of there's a lot of incest, and

971
01:02:13,079 --> 01:02:16,000
the first book it starts with like what the protagonist

972
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:18,920
who ends up going to like the sky world where

973
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:23,760
the gods are enslaved by this family that's also like

974
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,880
a race slash family, and like the world. Oh, the

975
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,440
one hundred Thousand Kingdoms is the book? Oh right? And

976
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,280
so like the first book is about her, and then

977
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:36,760
suddenly it like, but that book ends right, and then

978
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,960
we go to the second book, and then suddenly it's

979
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:44,000
about someone else. But it's like, there's no easy transition

980
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:45,920
from the first book to the second book. It just

981
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,280
doesn't like you're reading it. I'm like, am I is

982
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,639
this in the right order, because it's suddenly it feels

983
01:02:50,679 --> 01:02:53,800
like something's missing between the two because it's about someone else,

984
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,559
and there's a certain amount of years that passed from

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01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:59,639
the first to the second, you like forgot who they were. No,

986
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:02,800
these are complete new people. And then it's not until

987
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:07,199
like the six chapters so that the main person from

988
01:03:07,239 --> 01:03:10,679
the first book pops up. Oh, and I'm like, what

989
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:13,079
the fuck? Who the fuck is this person? Like what

990
01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:16,960
is happening? Oh? And yeah, so it was okay, but

991
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,639
you can tell it was like her first series. I

992
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:23,599
think it's very evident because of the Broken Earth series

993
01:03:23,679 --> 01:03:26,039
that shit is top notch, like sci fi. That's like

994
01:03:26,079 --> 01:03:28,679
a really good sci fi fantasy book series, Like it's

995
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:30,880
like three books. But yeah, this one, I don't know.

996
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,599
So I read that, and then I also read the

997
01:03:33,639 --> 01:03:38,280
one you're reading two something Migrant but no, the undocumented,

998
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,239
the documented? Is that what it's called the undocumented? I

999
01:03:42,239 --> 01:03:44,280
could easily check. I don't know, why did you finish it?

1000
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,800
I'm almost done with it? The undocumented Americans? Yeah, so

1001
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,559
I'm also reading that. That is so good. It's so

1002
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,119
you're five times already and I think you have like

1003
01:03:56,119 --> 01:04:01,800
an hour left. Yeah, same, same. So that's that's what

1004
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:04,320
I've been reading outside of trying to catch up on

1005
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:06,559
my work because yeah, I have a vacation coming up

1006
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:11,639
and then another one after that. So yeah, anyway, I

1007
01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:14,199
don't have any speaking reforminations for the reasoning because all

1008
01:04:14,239 --> 01:04:17,400
I've been doing is reading other things. I'm watching er.

1009
01:04:17,719 --> 01:04:19,480
I've also been reading a lot of romance and then

1010
01:04:19,519 --> 01:04:21,000
I'm like a little over right now because I'm like,

1011
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:25,079
I need, I need I get a little happy endings. Yeah,

1012
01:04:25,239 --> 01:04:28,760
I want to be enraged. I want to Yeah, I

1013
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:33,159
want I want to feel angry at when I'm reading

1014
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,280
really quick. I was talking with my coworker about this

1015
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:43,559
one book we both read, and in it, the girl

1016
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:49,800
main character has She thinks she has als because her mom,

1017
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,280
her sister, and an aunt all had it and it

1018
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,920
runs in their family and they all died from it,

1019
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,239
and she starts feeling symptoms, so she thinks she has it,

1020
01:04:58,599 --> 01:05:02,000
but then she doesn't want to go get tested because

1021
01:05:02,039 --> 01:05:05,280
there's like a roll out kind of diagnosis, so she'd

1022
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,719
have to like basically live in the hospital and in

1023
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,199
the doctor's office, And so she gets a diagnosis, and

1024
01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:13,920
if she's diagnosed, she there's no cure for it, so

1025
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:16,840
she doesn't She just doesn't want to know, and she

1026
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,280
starts having symptoms, but that turns out she doesn't have it.

1027
01:05:20,719 --> 01:05:23,800
But the whole conflict between the couple is this disease.

1028
01:05:24,679 --> 01:05:27,360
And they break up because the guy's like, no, you

1029
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,079
need to fight this, you need to do this and this,

1030
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:30,519
and she's like, no, I want to live life on

1031
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:33,039
my terms and blah blah, and then they break up,

1032
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:35,440
which is stupid also because I'm like, just accept how

1033
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,519
she wants. It's her disease that she might or might

1034
01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:41,079
not even have, but then after all the drama, she

1035
01:05:41,079 --> 01:05:46,440
doesn't even have it, and it was just like boo yeah,

1036
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,400
and they end up together happily ever after. And I'm like, Okay,

1037
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,320
I felt kind of like I was emotionally geary enough

1038
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:56,159
for her to die. And I'm not saying she should

1039
01:05:56,199 --> 01:05:59,239
have died, but if it wasn't a romance book, I

1040
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,440
am she would have and I would have been fine

1041
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:03,880
with that, you know, I was. I was growing up

1042
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,159
for that. And then you were rip like a band

1043
01:06:06,239 --> 01:06:09,960
switch like, oh she lived happily ever after? The phone?

1044
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:15,199
What is this die? We both said that, and we're

1045
01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:19,920
like are we horrible? It's a little bit and so yeah,

1046
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,800
wow wow, Okay, well this brings us to the end

1047
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,360
of the episode that was a long speaker recommendation says

1048
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,880
this was supposed to be sure. I so sorry. This

1049
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,639
was all Carmon's fault. But yeah, if I don't know, actually,

1050
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:40,000
don't drink hockckoa. It's okay if you man, if you

1051
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:44,880
don't want me, someone is a man. Yeah, and yeah.

1052
01:06:44,920 --> 01:06:47,800
Other than that, I don't let us know if you're

1053
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,079
going to lalif we might see you at lalif we

1054
01:06:51,199 --> 01:06:53,639
will see you there. Yeah, that's at the end of

1055
01:06:53,719 --> 01:06:57,400
being We'll be there. Man. If only we knew ahead

1056
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,280
of time, then we could have organized a little meet up.

1057
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,000
We never know. We never know ahead of time. Yeah.

1058
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,039
So yeah, Unfortunately, all right, stay spooky, We'll catch a

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01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:09,760
ruin next time. Bye. My As Book Tells is hosted

1060
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:13,239
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