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It's called More to the Story. AP Welcome, How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm great, Pete? How are you doing?
Speaker 1: Are you great? Because Tom tellis announced hes not running
for reelection.
Speaker 2: Honestly, I was out running Aaron when that piece of
news dropped and I wont wait what Yeah, when I'm
away from my computer that things happen, which.
Speaker 1: Is real annoying to me. I always tell people at
the end of my show, I close up by saying,
don't break anything while I'm gone. And nobody listens to me,
so all right. So yeah, so we've been talking about
this for the whole show today because this is sort
of a major bombshell. Although now I'm hearing lots of
reports that Tillis was telling people that he probably wasn't
going to run again for a while. This has apparently
been known to a lot of people. But I talked
with Doug High earlier in the program, and he said
that Paul Schumaker, his campaign guy, and a lot of
his staffers were caught unaware that he was going to
make this announcement. So I guess it sounds like you
were surprised.
Speaker 2: I was surprised. This was not something that I had expected,
at least not now, But given the back and forth
between President Trump and he and social media in the
last forty eight hours, I can't say that it was
It didn't totally shock me. I was, you know, a
little bit flat footed, just like his staff obviously was.
I had heard that he had actually fleshed out, you know,
campaign staff for the next coming cycle, but I hadn't
heard anything concrete. So this was news.
Speaker 1: So the first the first I guess social media posts
that most people became aware of was Donald Trump attacking
Tom Tillis right saying, Oh, people are talking to me
about primary ing him and all of that. The Hill.
I just got sent this by John Republican Party guy
locally here, and John says, and this is a cut
and pace job from the Hill, and it says Senator
Tillis told Trump to start looking for his replacement prior
to the president's missive, saying that he would start interviewing
candidates to primary him. According to a text message shared
with The Hill between Trump and Tillis, Tillis told Trump
at nine fifty four pm on Saturday, seven minutes before
Trump's truth social post, he said, quote, act, mister President,
start thinking about my replacement? Does that change that?
Speaker 2: Interesting? Yeah? Because Trump's posts came at ten oh one
pm that he had numerous people coming forward wanting to
primary Tom Tillis, and his prior prior social media post
was the day before, No, sorry, the same day, but
at ninety eight pm where he talked about Donald Trump
went off on pill us over the one big Beautiful bill,
and that was on June twenty eight. That was, yeah,
ninety eight pm. And then the next one came out
at June twenty ten o one pm, talking about you
know how he wanted someone to primary Am. Then on
Sunday around five fifteen No. Five nineteen pm. On Sunday,
Trump put on Truth, Social and Great News. Senator Tom
tells will not be seeking reelection. That was followed by
a post later that evening at around seven to twenty pm.
It looks like where Tillis thanked him for the retirement wishes,
and he's looking forward to working with you for a
successful twenty twenty six word to the wise, let's avoid minifolder,
which is a reference to former Lieutenant Governor Mark Robinson's
email handle that he used apparently on adult website.
Speaker 1: Yes, on the on the pornographic websites Nude Africa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you're saying is true. In between there somewhere
till Has told him that he wasn't going.
Speaker 1: To run, right, And then it sounds like Trump then
used that to make it look like I'm forcing him
out not, I mean either without Tillis's message, I have
no doubt Trump would have would have done this anyway. Yes,
but yeah, it does make it a lot more of
a slam dunk. If you know you get this text
message from Tillis, And I don't know what Trump said
to Tillis first. If he did say something to Tillis
first in that text exchange, maybe he did. Maybe they're
going back and forth about all of this stuff, because
in the floor speech, Tillis made it seem like, oh,
you're being misled by your advisors. They're not telling you
the real impacts and all of this. Like he still
seemed like he was leaving this this pathway for Trump
to to this off ramp basically, and then of course
he's like, you know what, I'm done, start thinking about
my replacement. I did find this hilarious that the tweet
or the post, the truth whatever that Trump put out
about Oh, I got lots of people I'm interviewing, you know,
to primary him and Mark Robinson, former lieutenant governor of
North Carolina. Mark Robinson reposted that on Twitter with a
couple of like the big you know eyeball.
Speaker 2: Like the Google eyeball. Yeah, I see that, Yeah, like.
Speaker 1: Ooh look at this, I'm looking. I saw somebody respond
not you, Mark, No, not jo I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's an appetite for that.
Speaker 1: No, And that's what Tillis was referencing in the comment
that you just made, or you referenced, you know, word
to the wise. Let's avoid Mark Robinson because Mark Robinson
was endorsed by Trump.
Speaker 2: Well was he endorsed by him?
Speaker 1: Yoh yeah. At the very beginning he said, this is
the next Martin Luther King Jr.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, he applauded him, but he didn't endorse him
at that. He said he was going to endorsement in
a later date and it was going to come weeks later,
and then it never did because this thing blew up
and blew up. So I mean, he patted him on
the back and called him, you know, it reminded him
of Martin Luther King Junior, with you know, with his
speeches and that sort of thing. But you know, one
could look at that as endorsement, but he didn't actually
formally endorse him.
Speaker 1: So I'd have to go back. Did you go back
in check? I'd have to go back and check to
make sure because I don't remember.
Speaker 2: But no, he didn't.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so, well did he scrub it? Maybe he
scrubbed it after Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Because that that one happened early
on before the I think that was in May or
June is when that happened. And then that CNN story
dropped closer to September, I want to write late August,
early September. And he hadn't endorsed, like done a formal
endorsement of him yet.
Speaker 1: Well if he but yeah, but did he endorse that
may would have been the primary, like an endorsement for
the primary over the other candidates for lieutenant governor. You know, yeah,
that would be what Yeah, because I don't think he
would have done. I think the endorsement would have carried
over I guess in his mind. But yeah, I mean,
like that's you know, that's the problem when you make
these types of endorsements. And look, Dan Bishop got caught
up in that too, just because he endorsed Mark Robinson
before anybody knew anything about all of that, all of
the more prurient stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So now checked a lot of endorsements in twenty twenty six.
Well yeah right, yeah.
Speaker 1: So all right, so I don't think anybody has Robinson
on their on their dance card for this, but we
do have some names that are obviously being floated already. Right,
We've got I've seen Michael Wattley, Larra Trump, and as
Doug Heye said, she's probably got the right of first refusal,
right like if she if she says she's going to
do it, nobody else is going to run.
Speaker 2: Probably Yeah. I mean she's with Fox News right now
doing commentary and stuff with them, So I mean she's clearly,
you know, got the space to move with it and
to do it. I honestly, you know, Michael Wattley, former
NCGEOP chair and r n C chair, I don't know.
I don't know that he would make that shift going
into twenty twenty six. He's going to be needed in
the position that he's in. So I mean, that's it's
a nice it's a nice call out. It's a nice
piece to be mentioned in. But you know, there's also
mentioning of newly newly minted Congressman Pat Harrigan, very charismatic
young guy. You know, he and he and Bud would
would probably make a good pair. But you know, you've
already got three people who fired and filed paperwork on
the Republican side for this. You've got Andy Nilson, he's
you know, a triad businessman, former Jack officer and attorney
Don Brown and then you've got a guy named Brooks
Agnew who I knew nothing about until recently. He's an
author and a former manufacturing engineer. And all three of
them have issued you know, statements and things on Twitter
or x saying that, you know, hey, with till Us
out of the race, you know, I'm I'm your man, right, But.
Speaker 1: Are they Are they the right guy to take on
Roy Cooper because Cooper also has probably got right of
first refusal on the Democrat side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think Roy Cooper does. I think
I think it's more likely though, that we're going to
see heading into the fall. I think that we're going
to see an announcement calld of Jeff Jackson's office. My
instinct is just telling me that that's where it's going
to go. This this past year, in the last few months,
we saw Wait County District Attorney Lauren Agreeman say that
she's not going to run for reelection next year, and
she didn't really give a reason why, but she has
always coveted the age spot and she eventually, I think,
has our eyes on set on governor. So if maybe
she knew something ahead of time that the rest of
us didn't know that maybe Jackson's going to make a
jump and Stein would then end up appointing her as
ag as you know, So we'll see how that plays out.
But I mean, the mass is there.
Speaker 1: Well, but if you end up with the primary, if
Cooper gets in, Jackson gets in, you got Wiley Nichol already,
and that opens up a pretty big pathway for a
more radical leftist and or a person of color in
the Democrat primary that would be able to split some
of that other sort of you know.
Speaker 2: Well, the moment Nicol left Congress, he filed for this race,
he wanted to be first, He wanted to be in
there and everything, and honestly, no, yeah, I just I
don't see the Democrat Party forming up behind him. If
there are other options, maybe he could again, Ory Cooper
would be wanted to turn it down, and I think
that that's how it's going to play out. His offices
basically says they're not going to make an announcement for
another couple of weeks whether they're going to do it.
You know, if with Tilli's getting out of the race,
if they didn't know with him getting out of the
race at that point, then you know they're gonna mullet. Yeah, sure,
there are no I don't see him getting in. I
think that it's going to end up being Jeff Jackson.
That's just my good instinct.
Speaker 1: Interesting, well, that's what Doug High said. He said, if
he were advising Cooper, he would say, don't do it,
don't get in, because he hasn't never really faced a
real tough election ever. So and this would be you
know what, probably a billion dollar race or half a
billion dollar race or something just ridiculous amounts of money.
Speaker 2: It's going to have some serious scrutiny, and they're going
to look at his track record as ag They're going
to look at his track record going back to the legislature,
and then of course as governor, you know, I mean,
he was the most prolific vetower of any governor in
the state. His lockdowns, some of his policies were ultrastrnent
and you know, caused issues trying to get schools opened up.
They had to file legislation, you know, threatened filing legislation,
began to reopen the schools. There were the riots in Raleigh,
you know, and then he's caught, you know, wandering around
the mansion. You know, marching with those protesters with his
mask half off of the space. Yeah, I mean you
can pick any one of those things. And forgot the
Atlantic Coast pipeline either the flush fund that had ken
Uty disappear afterwards.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a good one. I had forgotten about that.
And you also got the hurricane response that he completely
bricked for his entire term, yes, yeah, which is still ongoing.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so bad that current Governor Josh Stein,
you know, refused to use the apparatus that Roy Cooper
had set into place with the ENCORE, the North Carolina
Recovery Office of Recovery Resilience. He basically said, yeah, not
touching that, and he built his own one called grow ENZI.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So, as far as Wiley Nichol is concerned, I
would recommend for him maybe do another announcement that he's
running for office. That would be I think he's up
to like half a dozen or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but uhh yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, ap Dylan, I appreciate your time. As always.
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Alan sent me a message via the Twitter machine. It's
a Pete tweet. Alan says, Senator Tillis can't be gone
soon enough. I expect leftists to sell us out, not
those that depend on votes like mine. My take hasn't
changed because of Trump. Nobody cares if you work across
the aisle if the product is detrimental to the goal
to do. And then he says. Alan follows up with
that and says, ye, we aren't supposed to be worried
about the Medicaid is North Carolina. There, Tom, we voted
Republican to avoid the expansion, and see Republicans that voted
this in need to be shown accountability for their betrayal,
bait and switch. Much still mad about that? As am
I as am. I let me see here I got another.
This is a message here. I assume I can read this.
This is from let's just say a Raleigh insider. Okay.
One of my friends does constituent work for Tillis in
the Raleigh office, and he told me, prior to Tillis
running for his second term, that Tom was telling his
staff that he would likely not run for a third
term because he wanted to be young enough to go
back to the private sector and make real money. Well,
tell me, Tillis would only run if he would be
the only candidate with enough money to beat Cooper, not
wanting to hand that race to a Mark Robinson or
either of the Dans. Who's the second Dan, Dan Forrest?
I know Dan Bishop, Who's the other Dan? All that
was relayed to me a year ago. In my opinion,
Another indicator that Tom was likely to not run is
that he announced it early enough for the party to prepare.
If he wanted to screw over MAGA with this announcement,
he would have privately shifted money to a handpicked successor
and then jumped out at the last minute. He was
going to get primaried, but the NCGP would not have
helped in the primaries and likely would not help many
of the candidates that I've been hearing want to run.
He did have a very good staff Charlotte office. In particular,
he ran his constituent service organization as if it were
a top notch customer service center. And I hope the
next person keeps the staff well. And this is one
of those things that is often overlooked in these congressional races.
You know, people often wondered like, how could North Carolina
keep electing Jesse Helms and strom Thurman. Right, Well, their
constituent services were amazing. You had any kind of an issue,
and those offices would fix it for you fast. And
that's the kind of thing that generates loyalty in your constituents.
And the longer you're there and the more people you
help get their passports for their overseas trip next week.
You know, the more people you help like that, the
more they remember. And over time it compounds, right, it
stacks because people then see your name on the ballot
and like, oh, yeah, that's the guy that helped me
get my passport. That kind of stuff Rubenses at Spectrum News,
he says. A source close to Senator Tillis shared some context.
He had been leaning against running since the start of
this congress. Despite having announced a run. He was looking
to make a final decision in August slash September. He
was looking for more clarity from Trump and Senate leadership
on whether he would decide to run or not. From
Trump and the White House, he wanted to know if
they were going to give him flexibility to be an
independent thinker in the Senate and from the Senate leadership side,
would he have their full backing to protect him in
a tough election. Reconciliation was a test to get that clarity.
Tillis would have supported the House version of the Big
Beautiful Bill. He had spent a lot of time looking
at the impact of the bill on medicaid in our state,
and he warned Senate leadership it would be a policy
disaster and they did not have his back. Trump's posts
criticized him this weekend. Where what Tillis was looking for
because they provided clarity showing he would not have the
flexibility to be an independent thinker. So he moved up
his timeline for not running and he is at total
peace with the decision not to run. That was from
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wonder how much of his book deal. I'm sure it's
in the works that Tillis is doing. We'll go towards
helping medicaid in those rural hospitals. I'm guessing zero. Okay,
I don't think he's got a book deal. I'm not
aware of that, Jay says, I hope Tillis did not
sprain his elbow patting himself on the back in that
speech of his This from Tim Tillis voted correctly on
this bill for the wrong reason. The correct reason was
as Rand Paul stated, I don't know what happens to
North Carolina politicians who were previously truly conservative who become
a federal senator. Richard Burr and Tillis come to mind.
I think they are one of the following bribed off, blackmailed,
or have a frontal lobotomy one night while they sleep.
I'm unaware of any kind of clandestinops that do that.
And then Kirk says, one more reason to repeal the
seventeenth Amendment. Senators aren't meant to represent the people, but
rather the state. And that's true. And that's why I
said when we played the audio of Tillis's speech from
the floor of the Senate chamber yesterday, I believe it
was he was arguing and advocating on behalf of the
state of North Carolina, the state legislature, trying to protect
the medicaid funding for our state. Now that the legislature
expanded medicaid, after you know, almost fifteen years of refusing
to do so, they finally did it, and they did
it because they said, well, we think now the funding
streams are secure, and we thought it wouldn't you know,
we thought the FEDS would go back on their ninety
percent match commitments. But it's been on long enough that
we think like, yeah, this is permanent, and then as
soon as of course they pass it now it's not,
which is exactly as I predicted, because it's always that way.
It will always be that way. And I broke down
the Medicaid arguments in the second hour, so I highly
recommend you go back and listen to the second hour
of the podcast to learn about what I had learned
about from the National Review writer about how the states
are abusing the Medicaid system with the funding, with the
shuffling of the money between the providers and the state,
and it's all coming from the FEDS. So there's that component.
If I had to put money down, I think Tillis
goes to work for a healthcare industry lobbying firm. I
think that's where he goes. I have no information to
support this, just based on his speech last night. That's
kind of where I'm thinking he may end up, but
he might not. I don't know, and I'm not disparaging
him if he does. I just think like the speech
that he gave and talking about the intricacies of the
Medicaid reimbursement stuff, I think like that would be a
place for him to go. And he has cultivated this,
if not image, but in you know fact, this brand
is a guy who can work with people across the aisle.
And he mentioned that too. He talked about he didn't
name them, but he talked about working with people like
Joe Manchin and Kirsten Cinema, right, two Democrats that he
had made common cause with on various pieces of legislation.
So I think that makes him an attractive hire if
you're trying to lobbyoth sides of the aisle basically or
you know, enough members of the Senate in order to
try to move legislation through. So what does this do
now for North Carolina in this upcoming primary, which like
this is the beginning of the season. That's what you know.
Tell Us made this announcement. He's not kneecapping the GOP
to find a replacement for him, So he's giving a
long runway for the Republican Party and for candidates and stuff.
So that's all I think admirable for him to have done.
He didn't try to screw over a bunch of people
and the party and try to you know, shoehorn in
a preferred candidate like Mark Meadows did right which backfired
on him. But anyway, the who is this the Senate
Majority Pack, that's a Democrat pack. Political Action Committee Senate
Majority Pack spokesperson Lauren French. She says Democrats were poised
to win in North ca Carolina, whether Tom Tillis's name
was on the ballot in November in twenty twenty six
or not. But his early retirement proves there's no space
within the Republican Party to dissent over taking healthcare away
from eleven point eight million people by destroying Medicaid and
raising costs. Ok, it's not going to destroy medicaid. Okay,
once again, here are the Democrats with their hyperbolic catastrophism, like,
this is not going to destroy Medicaid. It will limit
some of the funding and yes, people will be removed
from the roles or Republicans argue that these people should
not be getting it in the first place because the
expansion of the program goes far beyond what it was
originally intended to do this from the Democratic Socialist Oh
sorry no, Senatorial Campaign Committee the DSCC. In response to
Senator Tillis's announcement, the spokesperson May Coil issued the following statement, quote,
Tom Tillis's decision not to run for reelection is another
blow oh to Republicans' chances as they face a mid
term backlash that puts their majority at risk. Yeah, not really,
but it will be more difficult. Obviously, they were they
everybody knew this was going to be a tough fight
no matter what. North Carolina is a tough fight in
every Senate election season, so that was a given. But
losing control of the US Senate this time around is
not likely. Even Tillis admits. She says that the GOP
plan to slash Medicaid and spike costs for families is
toxic and at twenty twenty six Democrats will flip North
Carolina's senatec Now, I note that they they ignore the
fact that when Tillis was making the comments about it
being toxic, he didn't say toxic. But that's what I think.
It's a fair representation of this criticism. The example that
he gave was Obamacare, but they don't mention that the
Democrats do not mention that he was talking about Obamacare
and the lie that if you like your doctor, you
can keep your doctor. Eric says, it's a pete tweet.
Eric says worked for a super pack that helped put
Tillis into office when he was first elected to the Senate.
He had worn out his welcome before the last election.
I am glad he is retiring. So what can we
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to some messages, John said, just a reminder to the Democrats.
Republicans have won the last five races in North Carolina.
They may be close, but we have Bill won them.
That is true. Doug High made that point as well,
that there hasn't there there hadn't been a double digit
wipeout in North Carolina. US Senate history going back to
nineteen seventy four, so it's always close, but they haven't
won a seat a US Senate seat since their wave
election in eight. Right with k Hagen, Republicans hold right
now fifty three seats in the US Senate, meaning Democrats
need to flip at least four to gain control of
the chamber for the final two years of Trump's term
so they can impeach him. I added that last bit,
and this is from WRAL. The decision to drop out
of the race could make Tillis a legislative wild card
in a party where few lawmakers are willing to risk
Trump's wrath by opposing his agenda or his actions. That's
from the WRAL. Then I've got this. I got a
lot of stuff. I got this from Politico talking about
Roy Cooper planning to make a decision this summer on
whether he'll mount a bid for this race. North Carolina,
perennial battleground since Obama turned at blue in eight has
largely eluded Democrats ever since, making the state even more tantalizing.
Democrats have generally won the governor's races. Cooper has obviously
won those as well. He's won every attorney general race.
He's won every race he's ever run in. Actually, the
Democrats haven't won a Senate seat here in nearly two decades,
and Tillis ousted that Democrat, kay Hagen, taking it back
in two thousand and fourteen. And then there we go again.
This is still politico. North Carolina could become a rare
bright spot for Democrats on what is otherwise a very
difficult Senate map. They're defending a trio of competitive open seats. Okay,
so remember they need to flip. They got their down
fifty three to forty seven, so they need four seats
to change hands. But they have to also defend some
and they're defending three seats that are competitive and are open,
so there's no incumbent. So they were their only offensive opportunities.
So the other direction, which would be competitive seats that
they might be able to win, the only seats they
were looking at were Tillis and Susan Collins of Maine.
Those are the only two options they had for likely
pickups or potential pickups. I should say all eyes are
on Cooper. They're going to say. The move comes less
than forty eight hours after reports emerged that Centrist Representative
Don Bacon intends to announce his retirement Monday, which, by
the way, if you're going to be a congressman, I
think last name Bacon is perfect, just to you know,
for the guy who brings it home. That's awesome. Names
very Dickensian. Even if the party flips North Carolina seat,
they would have to then take control of redder territory,
So they would have to flip seats that are not
seen as likely in Iowa or Ohio or Collins in
Maine to even have a shot at a majority. And
they're going to probably be facing expensive competitive races to
defend Senate seats up in Michigan. They got one in
Georgia and both and Trump carried both of those states
in twenty four. They also have to protect open seats
in Minnesota and New Hampshire. So that's what the map
looks like for them. One GOP strategist granted anonymity to
describe private conversations, said Republicans were breathing a sigh of
relief that Tillis is retiring, believing that a fresh candidate
would better appeal to the voters as the incumbent butted
heads with the president and showed a sagging favorability rating
in the polls. Democrats argue that Republicans support for medicaid
cuts give Cooper and opening. This is what Democrats believe.
And Democrats, you got to remember, Democrats believe that the
message of healthcare is a dead bang winner for them
every time. So that's why they dress everything up as
healthcare related. This is why Roy Cooper would tie every
single issue to medicaid expansion. Oh, there's an increase in
gun deaths, you know, it was solved that medicaid. Like,
he'd always work Medicaid expansion into everything, every issue that
he was ever talking about, because they think that this
is a winning issue because they track better in the
polling among voters on healthcare related issues. So Doug Wilson,
a Democrat strategist who was an advisor on Kamala Harris's
campaign in North Carolina. So a guy who knows how
to bring home a win, right, Okay, Doug Wilson says,
quote Cooper was obviously instrumental in getting medicaid expansion here,
that's not actually the case. I mean, he spiked the
football and and claimed credit. But the North Carolina legislature
did that. He did not. He did not. He was
a stamp of approval literally, like he just signed the bill.
But the Republicans were the ones that caved on that,
and they did so to take the issue away from him,
or so the political calculation rumor mill said. So they think, like, hey,
we can make this election. You got Cooper the Medicaid expander.
He gets to come in there and talk about how
awesome Medicaid expansion is and how Republicans with the one
big beautiful bill are gutting Medicaid and killing everybody and
throwing Grandma off the cliff. And by the way, for
you youngins that are not aware of what that is
in reference to throwing Grandma off a cliff, that was
literally a campaign ad that Democrats ran. The Obama camp
ran against Mitt Romney. Romney and Paul Ryan the Republican ticket,
two guys that were like these basic, like right out
of Central Casting, decent Republican guys, and they accused them
of all sorts of terrible things. And that's one of
the reasons why you got Donald Trump is because when
you accuse guys like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan in
a campaign ad showing a fake Paul Ryan wheeling a
grandma and a wheelchair and throwing her off of a cliff.
That's what they did to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney,
so they always think they've got the upper hand on
health issues. He says, this gives him a lane to
run on. Not only did he help implement it, it was
something he has pushed for since his first term. Great,
so we're gonna get lots of ads and they're all
going to be about Roy Cooper and his syrupy molass's
mouth defense of medicaid. Gosh, is this election over yet?
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