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Speaker 2: Hi. I'm Shannon. Hi I'm Tanya, and we are Crimes
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Speaker 2: Let me start off. It's about a young woman named
Speaker 2: Tiffany Witten. She's born the thirtieth of January nineteen eighty seven,
Speaker 2: makes her an Aquarius aquarius. Yes, she was twenty six
Speaker 2: years old at the time of this event out of Marietta, Georgia,
Speaker 2: and she had dreamed of becoming a veterinarian one day,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately life had not always been kind to Tiffany,
Speaker 2: and along the way she had fallen into destructive habits
Speaker 2: and behaviors i e. Drug Barron MS. Tiffany's disappearance had
Speaker 2: not garnered the national or international media attention that others
Speaker 2: have over the years, and many will point out the
Speaker 2: fact that Tiffany was an addict who had convictions for
Speaker 2: theft under her belt, and that somehow insinuates that she
Speaker 2: deserved to disappear. Somehow it seems like judgmental.
Speaker 3: Yeah, police or the media doesn't really focus on because.
Speaker 2: Of these behaviors. It somehow makes her not human. Yeah,
Speaker 2: make her someone's daughter or sister or mother. But this
Speaker 2: is not the case. Despite Tiffany's difficult past, she is
Speaker 2: surrounded by loving friends and family who are desperate to
Speaker 2: find out what happened to her now. According to Tiffany's mother,
Speaker 2: Lisa Daniels, she knew something was different about her daughter
Speaker 2: when she was just two years old. Lisa had told
Speaker 2: Esquire magazine quote, Tiffany couldn't keep her hands off things.
Speaker 2: She began to see feeling when she was two. I'd
Speaker 2: find things in her toy box that didn't belong to her.
Speaker 2: She was stealing from daycare. I'd ask about it and
Speaker 2: she'd say someone gave it to me. She was also
Speaker 2: a pathological liar, and she just got better at it
Speaker 2: over the years. End, so Tiffany she dropped out of
Speaker 2: high school when she was sixteen years old, despite the
Speaker 2: wishes of her mom and her grandmom. Around this time,
Speaker 2: Tiffany also became pregnant, and she chose to give the
Speaker 2: baby up for adoption. In the Esquire article, her mother
Speaker 2: Lisa mentioned that after that, Tiffany was never the same
Speaker 2: and that she began to fall into the wrong crowd.
Speaker 2: During this time of teenage angst, Tiffany desperately tried to
Speaker 2: navigate her way through the world, despite coming across many
Speaker 2: of the wrong people. Those who knew her best described
Speaker 2: her as happy and outgoing and said that she always
Speaker 2: held her dreams of becoming a veterinarian close to her heart.
Speaker 2: Two thousand and eight, Tiffany gave birth to her second child,
Speaker 2: a daughter name is Addison, who was in the care
Speaker 2: of her grandmother, Lisa, Tiffany's mom. The birth of her
Speaker 2: second child was somewhat of a turning point for Tiffany,
Speaker 2: but unfortunately it was not a positive one. Tiffany, who
Speaker 2: had once experimented with substances, now found herself addicted to
Speaker 2: oxy contin and other substances. An addiction quickly took hold
Speaker 2: of her, as it does with thousands of people, and
Speaker 2: Tiffany's life quickly changed. Addiction takes people to dark and
Speaker 2: scary places, and in twenty eleven, Tiffany, along with another
Speaker 2: young woman, were arrested in charged with armed robbery. Articles
Speaker 2: and arrest records indicate that on March seventh, twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: Tiffany and the other unnamed woman broke into the home
Speaker 2: of Tracy Chambers and stole sixty dollars before fleeing the scene.
Speaker 2: Tiffany later told arresting officers that the sixty bucks she
Speaker 2: had stolen was quote unquote rightfully hers, and that Tracy
Speaker 2: had taken it from her days ago. From reports, it
Speaker 2: appears that investigators believed that the transaction was related to
Speaker 2: the purchase of illicit substances, and as a result, Tiffany,
Speaker 2: the young woman, and another man were charged with armed
Speaker 2: robbery and a slew of other charges for her involvement.
Speaker 2: Tiffany was sent to prison, this time with an ultimatum.
Speaker 2: Not only did she have to serve prison time, but
Speaker 2: her mother gave her two choices. She could either continue
Speaker 2: down the path she was traveling along now and never
Speaker 2: see her daughter again, or she could complete rehab and
Speaker 2: her prison sentence and see her daughter after proving she
Speaker 2: could stay clean and responsible. So after being released from prison,
Speaker 2: Tiffany chose the latter, and with the help of her grandmother,
Speaker 2: Anita Boyette, she checked herself into a rehab facility. Anita
Speaker 2: would also tell Esquire that just a month after Tiffany
Speaker 2: had accepted treatment, she walked out. Quote, it was always
Speaker 2: a month with Tiffany. I'm always going to keep the
Speaker 2: lines of communication open. I have to. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if she's using or not. I am her grandmother. Unquote.
Speaker 2: Tiffany had begun to turn over a new leave, but
Speaker 2: overcoming addiction is not an easy battle to fight. After
Speaker 2: leaving rehab, she began using again, and that is when
Speaker 2: the trouble started. Following her release, Tiffany moved in with
Speaker 2: a roommate, and for a while things were going well.
Speaker 2: Tiffany found herself a job as a waitress at ihop
Speaker 2: and appeared to be steadying herself. However, as the months
Speaker 2: went on, the toll of addiction began to show on Tiffany,
Speaker 2: and she would often turn into work under the influence. Eventually,
Speaker 2: her roommate kicked her out and her position as a
Speaker 2: waitress came under fire. Then Tiffany met Ashley Red was
Speaker 2: his nickname Caddle, and the two hit it off. According
Speaker 2: to friends, their relationship was tumultuous, and the two would
Speaker 2: frequently use together, which only exacerbated their problems. Like Tiffany,
Speaker 2: Ashley also had a young daughter, and Tiffany began spending
Speaker 2: all of her free time with Ashley. Anne began living
Speaker 2: with him. In twenty twelve turned into twenty thirteen, and
Speaker 2: Ashley and Tiffany were still together. Those around them since
Speaker 2: that the relationship was rocky, but the two were never
Speaker 2: without each other. The two would constantly argue before reconciling
Speaker 2: hours later. On September eighth, twenty thirteen, it would be
Speaker 2: the last time that anyone in Tiffany's family ever heard
Speaker 2: or saw her again. On that day, Tiffany called her grandmother, Anita,
Speaker 2: and asked if she could get her and Ashley something
Speaker 2: to eat and wash their clothes. Anita told Esquire about
Speaker 2: the last exchange she had with Tiffany, saying quo, I
Speaker 2: met her and the little girl at the laundry rant.
Speaker 2: Then I took her home and hugged her tight. I said, honey,
Speaker 2: why don't you just come home? And she said, I
Speaker 2: won't go without Ashley. I said, doesn't he have a home,
Speaker 2: and she said he wouldn't go without me. End quote.
Speaker 2: So once her clothes were clean, Tiffany and Ashley's daughter
Speaker 2: left her grandmother's house for what would be the last time.
Speaker 2: The next time she would hear about her granddaughter wouldn't
Speaker 2: be until November twenty thirteen, when a letter from a
Speaker 2: lawyer came through the door. From September twelfth into September thirteenth,
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, Tiffany and Ashley spent the evening with Stephen
Speaker 2: Weinstein and Jason Zuperini. According to Weinstein, the group spent
Speaker 2: the evening taking substances before Tiffany and Ashley decided to
Speaker 2: visit a twenty four hour, seven day a week Walmart
Speaker 2: and Marietta. Ain't nothing good happened at the twenty four hour,
Speaker 2: seven day a week Walmart. I know, right it is.
Speaker 2: I believe that Tiffany and Ashley were under the influence
Speaker 2: at the time, and CCTV footage shows them entering the
Speaker 2: store at around one am. The two stayed in Walmart
Speaker 2: for about an hour, piling clothes and items into their trolley.
Speaker 2: CCTV footage captures the couple at multiple points around the store,
Speaker 2: and according to Tom Janad, the author of the Esquire article,
Speaker 2: it is clear to see that Tiffany is under the influence.
Speaker 2: Tom wrote, quote, For one thing, she's shoplifting at two
Speaker 2: in the morning. For another, she's clearly high. She never
Speaker 2: stops moving, and it is almost as if she is
Speaker 2: dancing or trying to stay on a horse. She throws
Speaker 2: shirt after shirt and outfit after outfit into the cart
Speaker 2: and behaves so suspiciously that to see the tape is
Speaker 2: to wonder if she's trying to get caught, and if
Speaker 2: she's trying to get caught in order to escape. End quote.
Speaker 2: As two am drew closer, Ashley confirmed to investigators that
Speaker 2: he told Tiffany he wanted to leave Walmart, and after
Speaker 2: a small argument, he headed to the self service machines
Speaker 2: to pay. Cc TV footage confirms that Tiffany left the
Speaker 2: full trolley behind and headed for the exit waiting for
Speaker 2: Ashley to pay, and as Tiffany and Ashley leave Walmart,
Speaker 2: Tiffany is pulled back by security the Lost Prevention officers,
Speaker 2: who accuse her of stealing twenty dollars worth of clothes,
Speaker 2: and while Tiffany is being stopped, Ashley continues walking towards
Speaker 2: the exit, seemingly ignoring his girlfriend's called for help. What
Speaker 2: happens next is something that replays over and over in
Speaker 2: the minds of those closest to Tiffany. Instead of surrendering
Speaker 2: herself to the two officers, she pulls herself out of
Speaker 2: her handcuffs, ditches her flip flops, and takes off, running
Speaker 2: out of the front door. CCT footage shows Ashley and
Speaker 2: the two officers watching Tiffany as she runs through the
Speaker 2: car park and out of view. This was the last
Speaker 2: time that Tiffany and was ever seen or heard from.
Speaker 2: Ashley spent the remainder of the evening traveling around Marriotte
Speaker 2: looking for his girlfriend, but to no avail. Ashley would
Speaker 2: later recount the details of that fateful evening to Esquire magazine,
Speaker 2: telling journalists Tom Janad quote, when we went to check out,
Speaker 2: I was getting some shirts to leave with. I was
Speaker 2: checking out and she was in her purse pulling stolen
Speaker 2: items out, and there's all these Walmart workers in the front. Okay,
Speaker 2: so we go to leave. I guess I was on
Speaker 2: my phone and the Lost Prevention people come out, but
Speaker 2: they didn't identify themselves as Lost Prevention, right, And she
Speaker 2: said read and I didn't answer. Then she said my
Speaker 2: first name, and I turned around and looked, and they
Speaker 2: got her by both arms, and another dude has her purse.
Speaker 2: So I pulled a knife out. They didn't see it.
Speaker 2: I had it by my side. I'm like, look, let
Speaker 2: her go, and she's struggling with them. They let her
Speaker 2: go and she took off, running by me. End quote.
Speaker 2: Now it's to note Ashley's account does not exactly line
Speaker 2: up with the confirmed events of September thirteenth, twenty eleven,
Speaker 2: and Stephen Weinstein, the friend who the pair had spent
Speaker 2: the evening with, would later go on to describe Ashley
Speaker 2: as full of shit and a piece of shit. And
Speaker 2: that's a quote. So many in Tiffany's life believe that
Speaker 2: Ashley is somehow involved. However, there has never been enough
Speaker 2: evidence to prove it either way. After Tiffany disappeared, Ashley
Speaker 2: waited two weeks before telling his probation officer that he
Speaker 2: hadn't been able to make contact with his girlfriend. Investigators
Speaker 2: would later confirm by a witness, accounts, and phone records
Speaker 2: that in the weeks and months after Tiffany disappeared, Ashley
Speaker 2: had called hospitals, prisons, and Tiffany's associates in hopes of
Speaker 2: finding her, but each avenue led to a dead end. Then,
Speaker 2: in November twenty thirteen, Anita, Tiffany's grandmother, received a letter
Speaker 2: from a lawyer on behalf of Walmart, asking for one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty dollars to settle the suit out of court. Now,
Speaker 2: this letter was the first inkling that something was wrong,
Speaker 2: and her family set out looking for her. According to Anita,
Speaker 2: she tried to make contact with her granddaughter but was
Speaker 2: unable to get through to her. After being unable to
Speaker 2: contact her granddaughter, she called Ashley and that's when she
Speaker 2: learned the terrifying truth. Ashley confessed that Tiffany was last
Speaker 2: seen running away from the Walmart store on September thirteenth.
Speaker 2: What is perhaps just as disturbing as Tiffany's disappearance and
Speaker 2: Ashley's inaction was one of the comments he made to Anita.
Speaker 2: In response to Anita asking why hadn't he called them
Speaker 2: to let them know Tiffany was missing, he responded, I
Speaker 2: wish I had that perse I bought her. It was
Speaker 2: a coach purse and it was really expensive. What real
Speaker 2: piece of work here, right? Tiffany's family waited for the
Speaker 2: holidays to pass, desperately hoping that Tiffany would resurface and
Speaker 2: make contact with them as she did every year. Her mother, Lisa,
Speaker 2: waited for presents to arrive in the post to put
Speaker 2: under the tree for Addison, but Christmas twenty thirteen would
Speaker 2: be a year without presence, handpicked by Mom. The new
Speaker 2: year rang in, and the family hoped that twenty fourteen
Speaker 2: would be the year they found Tiffany. But by January tenth,
Speaker 2: it was clear that Tiffany wasn't coming home, and that
Speaker 2: is when Lisa contacted the Marietta Police Department and officially
Speaker 2: reported her daughter missing. Due to the amount of time
Speaker 2: that had a lapse between the report being taken and
Speaker 2: Tiffany's disappearance, investigators were not hopeful that much, if any,
Speaker 2: forensic evidence would be left. Multiple witnesses were interviewed, and
Speaker 2: flyers and posters were placed around town. Tiffany's old roommate,
Speaker 2: whom Tiffany had lived with before she moved in with Ashley,
Speaker 2: came forward to investigators with a bizarre tip. She told
Speaker 2: them that on the morning of September thirteenth, twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: she went to the walmart where Tiffany had disappeared from
Speaker 2: to purchase a few items when she came across Ashley.
Speaker 2: At this point, she didn't know that Tiffany was missing,
Speaker 2: but all of that was about to change. According to
Speaker 2: the roommate, she saw Ashley at the nearby eye hop
Speaker 2: where Tiffany had worked in twenty thirteen. Ashley had asked
Speaker 2: whether she had seen Tiffany and went on to explain
Speaker 2: what had happened earlier that morning. The roommate later told
Speaker 2: Esquire quote, he said his friends were going to come
Speaker 2: and get him in a few minutes. It took an
Speaker 2: hour and a half. Then an suv pulled up with
Speaker 2: a guide driving and two girls inside. Ashley got in
Speaker 2: the backseat with one of the girls and they drove
Speaker 2: off end quote. She also told him investigators that Ashley
Speaker 2: had claimed he was looking for Tiffany that day, but
Speaker 2: it appears at the time he was making very little effort.
Speaker 2: The searches for Tiffany continued into twenty fourteen, and on
Speaker 2: March thirteenth, twenty fourteen, the home that Ashley and Tiffany
Speaker 2: once shared was searched by Marietta police. Not only was
Speaker 2: the home searched, but the garden was excavated and the
Speaker 2: police brought with them cadaver dogs. And despite intensive searches,
Speaker 2: Tiffany's body was not found. But as a result of
Speaker 2: the search, Ashley Coddle was arrested after multiple firearms and
Speaker 2: substances were found at his property. According to Georgia Department
Speaker 2: of Corrections, Ashley Red Coddle served ten years at the
Speaker 2: Muskogee County Jail and was released in September of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four Unfortunately, investigators and prosecutors have never been able
Speaker 2: to find enough evidence to charge Ashley in connection with
Speaker 2: Tiffany's disappearance. In twenty fifteen, two years after Tiffany disappeared,
Speaker 2: Cobb County officials received another bizarre tip, this time in
Speaker 2: connection with a big time drug trafficker. The witness had
Speaker 2: come forward and told investigators that they had heard quote
Speaker 2: that Ashley and some associates had driven to Lake Alatuna
Speaker 2: and thrown a barrel filled with concrete off the side
Speaker 2: of Bethany Bridge unquote. A full search of this area
Speaker 2: was conducted by divers and a sonar squad, and whilst
Speaker 2: a block of concrete was found, it did not contain
Speaker 2: any sign of Tiffany. Lisa Daniels, her mom, confirmed to
Speaker 2: investigators that the last sign of Tiffany on her social
Speaker 2: media outlets was on September one, twenty thirteen. But a
Speaker 2: few years later, Tiffany's half brother, Blake, came forward with
Speaker 2: some new bizarre information. As outlined in the Esquire article,
Speaker 2: Blake claimed to have received a call on January fifth,
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, from Tiffany from what he described as quote
Speaker 2: one of those calling apps with a weird return number unquote.
Speaker 2: Blake told us Square that he knew it was his
Speaker 2: sister as she called him by his nickname, and he
Speaker 2: has adamant that the call was placed on January fifth,
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. Lisa Daniels and those who know Tiffany do
Speaker 2: not believe she is alive, and this is aside from Ashley,
Speaker 2: who firmly believes that she is still out there. A
Speaker 2: friend of Tiffany's took to Reddit in September twenty twenty two, saying, quote,
Speaker 2: I know for a fact Tiffany would never go this
Speaker 2: long without talking to her daughter. Yes, she could go
Speaker 2: and would go months, but even whilst still using I
Speaker 2: just don't see it. For years, having known her, especially
Speaker 2: not her daughter's birthday and Christmas, I want to believe
Speaker 2: she saw this as her way out and away from him,
Speaker 2: But I don't believe she's still alive, and I understand
Speaker 2: how improbable that sounds, but she was my friend. I
Speaker 2: think she ended up getting a ride from someone and
Speaker 2: something bad happened. Now, there are many theories in Tiffany's case,
Speaker 2: and those in Unresolved Mysteries Subreddit have been quick to
Speaker 2: point out the inconsistencies in Ashley's story, along with the
Speaker 2: fact that he may not be involved at all. After
Speaker 2: Tiffany went missing, he tried to look for her by
Speaker 2: calling ex boyfriends, friends, hospitals, and prisons, and this was
Speaker 2: backed up by his call records. Some people believe that
Speaker 2: Ashley is involved in Tiffany's disappearance, but if that is
Speaker 2: the case, then wouldn't the guards at Walmart have seen
Speaker 2: the two after Tiffany ran off. With endless theories and possibilities,
Speaker 2: it is impossible to say either way what happened to Tiffany.
Speaker 2: We know for certain that she ran out of the
Speaker 2: Walmart and Marriott on September thirteenth, twenty thirteen, and has
Speaker 2: never been seen or heard from again. Media outlets were
Speaker 2: quick to stigmatize Tiffany and her disappearance due to her past,
Speaker 2: but that's not what is important here. Regardless of Tiffany's
Speaker 2: addictions and past behaviors, She's still missing, and she, along
Speaker 2: with her family, deserves to know what happened to her,
Speaker 2: and she deserves to have justice. Tiffany Michelle Whitten was
Speaker 2: last seen running away from a Walmart store in Marietta, Georgia,
Speaker 2: on September thirteenth, twenty thirteen. She is described as a
Speaker 2: white female with blonde strawberry blonde hair, green eyes, five
Speaker 2: two to five five and one hundred and five pounds
Speaker 2: according to the Charlie Project. At the time of her disappearance,
Speaker 2: her hair had been bleached or dyed light blonde, but
Speaker 2: her natural color was brown. Tiffany has tattoos on her
Speaker 2: lower back, right shoulder blade, both hips, butterfly on her right,
Speaker 2: on her right buttock, right foot, and left wrist some
Speaker 2: Chinese symbols. She was last seen wearing a vest top
Speaker 2: underneath a light colored VMX shirt with a design on
Speaker 2: the front, dark blue jeans, a tan colored belt, and
Speaker 2: a dark hair band, with no shoes or socks. Before
Speaker 2: she disappeared, she had kicked off her flip flops and
Speaker 2: left her handbag behind at the scene, and anyone with
Speaker 2: information is asked to contact Detective Michael Sellek of the
Speaker 2: Marietta Police Department at seven seven zero seven nine four
Speaker 2: fifty three hundred, quoting case number one four zero zero
Speaker 2: zero or seven to one, or Detective Ed Stockinger of
Speaker 2: the Cop County Cold Case Unit at seven seven zero
Speaker 2: five two eight three zero ninety four. And that is
Speaker 2: the story of Tiffany Witten's disappearance.
Speaker 3: What do you think happened?
Speaker 2: I think, like what her friend said, I think someone
Speaker 2: picked her up in some bad happened, especially if she
Speaker 2: was high and using something, you know, Yeah, because you're
Speaker 2: not thinking with a straight mind, obviously, and it didn't
Speaker 2: sound like she had her wits about her at the time,
Speaker 2: especially if she was hearty and before the Walmart trip
Speaker 2: with some friends. I do I lean towards that, what
Speaker 2: about you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was thinking too, because like she
Speaker 3: just sort of vanished into thin air. And I was
Speaker 3: thinking too, like if Ashley had something to do with it,
Speaker 3: I don't think he would have spent time calling hospitals
Speaker 3: and calling the jails and whatever. I mean, great, you
Speaker 3: don't think about that as far as like, Okay, if
Speaker 3: you're trying to cover your tracks and whatever, you might
Speaker 3: make one or two phone calls I'm guessing to make
Speaker 3: it look good or whatever. I don't think he would
Speaker 3: have put that much effort into it if he knew
Speaker 3: that she was gone. Yeah, they want to say I
Speaker 3: think that because he didn't report her missing right away,
Speaker 3: or that's a reason to say, like maybe he had
Speaker 3: something to do with it.
Speaker 2: But I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm not feeling that failing Ashley. Yeah, I feel she.
Speaker 3: Came into just some bad a bad situation or something like.
Speaker 2: That person that took advantage of her state. I agree. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's not gonna call several people over a two month period.
Speaker 1: Right and your friends.
Speaker 2: When you're out on probation, you do not want any
Speaker 2: police contact. I can see him stalling, not excusing it.
Speaker 2: It's just the nature of the beast of drug addiction,
Speaker 2: you know, like you don't want the police to come
Speaker 2: to your house and find your firearms and the stuff
Speaker 2: that you're using, which is exactly what happened, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's why I don't believe it was him. I
Speaker 2: don't think he had the wherewithal to be a planner
Speaker 2: like that. Yeah, sounded like a very codependent relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, after she told her grandma, you know, no,
Speaker 2: I can't I can't without him, and he won't without me.
Speaker 1: Right right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't know, maybe she ended up like
Speaker 3: hitchhiking or ending up like she might have hitchhiked out
Speaker 3: of Georgia. We don't know, you know, or something could
Speaker 3: have happened, who knows. That's really unfortunate, and that's really sad.
Speaker 3: I always hate these stories that are unsolved, or like
Speaker 3: the mystic persons and stuff like that, because I just
Speaker 3: feel really sad for their families. Yeah, you know, just
Speaker 3: I can't imagine the feeling something happened to your child
Speaker 3: and you have no idea what it is, you know,
Speaker 3: and you know, yeah, she's been gone all these years,
Speaker 3: so she's probably dead. But sure youre yeah, something you
Speaker 3: don't want to think that. I'm sure you're like, well
Speaker 3: there's stories, you know, people come back after twenty years
Speaker 3: or whatever, you know, so you don't want.
Speaker 2: To think that.
Speaker 3: But then you're like, well, she wouldn't stay away this
Speaker 3: long like your friends.
Speaker 2: Then yeah, it's just hard to give up hope. And yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's very very sad it is, but I'm glad
Speaker 2: you have brought it and with contact information because.
Speaker 3: Yeah you have to both in your show notes. Yeah,
Speaker 3: put your phone numbers and stuff in your show notes.
Speaker 3: So well, thank you very much Shannon for that story
Speaker 3: this week. It would be nice to have her family
Speaker 3: have some closure. Like you said, I know, there's a
Speaker 3: Facebook page. It's called find Tiffany Witten like I look
Speaker 3: okay while you were talking, so you know they I
Speaker 3: think it's probably run by someone in her family, either
Speaker 3: her mom or someone else. And if you want more
Speaker 3: information there, So thank you very much. And before we go,
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Speaker 2: Until next time, I love see you guys, will see you,
Speaker 2: bye bye