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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for choosing to download the Ham Radio two

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<v Speaker 1>out of a video or a livestream I did recently.

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<v Speaker 1>each week. Thank you for the support, and thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for being a member of the community. This video was

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<v Speaker 1>sent to me by one of you guys, and it

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<v Speaker 1>addresses an issue about FCC licensing and the use of

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<v Speaker 1>amateur radio bands by someone other than Ham's And for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason it touches on an issue that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>quite understand about using radios while paragliding. So let's check

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<v Speaker 1>this out. This video was sent to me. It is

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<v Speaker 1>from a channel called heavy Metal Horizons and he's got

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<v Speaker 1>a decent sized channel eleven thousand subscribers. Okay, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why a heavy metal channel is talking about Ham

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<v Speaker 1>radio stuff. You can see his radio stuff in the

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<v Speaker 1>background there. So we're gonna go through. This is only

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<v Speaker 1>a five minute video. We're gonna go through this and

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<v Speaker 1>see what he has to say here. And I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know what you guys think about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, guys, welcome back to heavy Metal Horizons. And in

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<v Speaker 2>this video, I've got a question to all of the

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<v Speaker 2>hams out there, and that question is, are Ham radio

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<v Speaker 2>operators the only ones that care about Ham radio rules?

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<v Speaker 1>No? And I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna show you why.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna give you an example that this guy should

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<v Speaker 1>understand here in a second. So check this. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's keep.

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<v Speaker 2>Going now before you answer in the comments section, I

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<v Speaker 2>already did that. Want to give you guys an example

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<v Speaker 2>of what I'm talking about. Okay. I used to do paragliding,

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<v Speaker 2>and I haven't on it in a couple of years

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<v Speaker 2>because I've just been busy with other things, mostly with

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<v Speaker 2>the airplane aviation stuff. But when I was doing parid.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was so airplane aviation. He mentions right here.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was poking around here and I found he's

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<v Speaker 1>talking about an affordable, an affordable aviation radio for pilots. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>and I went through and I opened up this video

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<v Speaker 1>from him. Okay, and I will play the first few

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<v Speaker 1>seconds of this.

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<v Speaker 2>So I meant Iraka November at nine or seven two

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<v Speaker 2>seven echo play at a quick radio checkleif Iroka nine

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<v Speaker 2>or seven two seven echo tower? Have you line clear?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let's look at this from the standpoint of this.

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<v Speaker 1>This guy's a pilot. Presumably he's got his pilot's license.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. He didn't show his license, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's he does. He has his pilot license. He's got

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<v Speaker 1>a legit call sign on his airplane. Good. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>let's look at this from a standpoint of what if

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<v Speaker 1>I went and bought that radio he's talking about, which

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<v Speaker 1>he got from Ali Express, and you know, spoiler alert,

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<v Speaker 1>I just went and bought that radio because DFW airport's

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<v Speaker 1>right there, right right there, well back there somewhere turned

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<v Speaker 1>around in my own hamshack. What if I got on

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<v Speaker 1>the aircraft frequencies on AM and just started talking, or

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<v Speaker 1>what if me and my wife, for me and my

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor started using aircraft frequencies just to have regular polite

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<v Speaker 1>conversations about anything at all? Would that be? Okay? I

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<v Speaker 1>just bought a radio that will let you transmit on airband,

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<v Speaker 1>So that means I should be able to transmit on

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<v Speaker 1>airband correctly correct correct? Well, that radio is from tryin it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so is a boufing. So okay, question, you know, something

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<v Speaker 1>to chew on. Question for later, for later.

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<v Speaker 2>Or gliding you would go and you'd go up to

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<v Speaker 2>the top of the mountain or the launch area wherever

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<v Speaker 2>it was, and people would start getting their wings set

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<v Speaker 2>up and their harnesses and everything, and you would hear this, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>all those paragliding pilots were using Ham radios hts. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of them were using the Balfing UV five R,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were using these radios to talk to each

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<v Speaker 2>other and in some cases maybe talk to somebody on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground, like an instructor or somebody who was getting

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<v Speaker 2>photos of them, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw another article on Reddit a while back about

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<v Speaker 1>why Ham radio operators and paragliders hate one another. And

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<v Speaker 1>I've been a Ham for thirty years and I've never

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<v Speaker 1>heard that before I saw this article. This was several

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<v Speaker 1>months ago, and the only thing I could come up

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<v Speaker 1>with is that what people who don't have radio licenses

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<v Speaker 1>may not know because you're not used to using a radio. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so you may or maybe you do know this, But

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things about getting a Ham radio license

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<v Speaker 1>is actually learning how to use the radio so that

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<v Speaker 1>you can know how to use it, know what it

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<v Speaker 1>does when you are using it, and a GMRS radio

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<v Speaker 1>would work in this scenario very well too. But the

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<v Speaker 1>higher up you get, we have a term in Ham

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<v Speaker 1>radio called height is might, So the higher up your

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<v Speaker 1>antenna is, the farther out you're able to talk. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're in a paraglider or you're doing parachute mobile

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<v Speaker 1>like life at terminal velocity like Carlos does, you are

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to talk of much longer distance

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<v Speaker 1>on a five watt handheld than you would standing on

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<v Speaker 1>the ground because you're standing on the ground trying to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to other stations on the ground, and you've got terrain, trees, hills, leaves, buildings,

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<v Speaker 1>all kinds of stuff in between you and that other station.

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<v Speaker 1>When you are several hundred feet or several thousand feet

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<v Speaker 1>in the air, you have clear line of sight to

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<v Speaker 1>all those ground stations, so your signal reaches out a

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<v Speaker 1>lot farther because you are up higher.

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<v Speaker 2>None of these guys had Ham radio licenses, but of

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<v Speaker 2>course they were using a Ham radio, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>using it in the Ham radio frequency band. And here

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<v Speaker 2>is the big point that I'm making.

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<v Speaker 1>If they're using it in the Ham radio band. Then

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<v Speaker 1>it's then they shouldn't be doing that. So that's my answer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to show you the comment I left on

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's video here in a minute.

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<v Speaker 2>Because these were paragliding pilots and they only used the

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<v Speaker 2>radio for paragliding. They had really no idea about the

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<v Speaker 2>other Ham radio stuff. They didn't care at all about

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that they were operating the radio without a

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<v Speaker 2>license and violating these various FCC rules.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so why don't they use their paragliding They're in

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<v Speaker 1>the air, Why aren't they using air band radios? Serious question?

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<v Speaker 1>I really, I really want to know. You're in a

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<v Speaker 1>paraglider in the air, you're talking to other paragliding stations,

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<v Speaker 1>you are flying an aircraft of sorts, talking to ground stations,

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<v Speaker 1>talking to air stations. Why are you not using airband radio?

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to know. No, seriously, I'd like to know

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<v Speaker 1>what your answer is to that, because those are regulated

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<v Speaker 1>by the FCC as well, by the.

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<v Speaker 2>Way, and not only did they not have a problem,

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<v Speaker 2>but nobody else who was aware that they were doing

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<v Speaker 2>it had a problem either. Nobody ever said anything, Nobody.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever ignorance of the law is no reason to not

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<v Speaker 1>obey the law, or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm paraphrasing got reported or anything like that. Now, realistically,

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<v Speaker 2>your range is not going to be great on these radios,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're using these when they're up in the air,

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<v Speaker 2>so exactly, at least they're getting quite a bit of distance, exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And you could do the same thing with GMRS radios

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<v Speaker 1>two by the way, which you just buy a license

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<v Speaker 1>or just use FRS radios that are lower power and

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<v Speaker 1>do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of line of sight for the intent and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So theoretically, if there was somebody a HAM in the

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<v Speaker 2>area listening on VHF, they probably could hear what they

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<v Speaker 2>were saying. Now, maybe you could make an argument that, well,

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<v Speaker 2>it's paara gliding and if they do something wrong it

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<v Speaker 2>could be potentially a life or death situation. So maybe

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<v Speaker 2>the radio usage is justified because it's almost an emergency,

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<v Speaker 2>or if they don't use it, it could lead to

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<v Speaker 2>an emergency. But to be clear, nobody none of these

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<v Speaker 2>guys were using these.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not very very valid argument because he just said

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<v Speaker 1>that hams were not listening. He said if a ham

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<v Speaker 1>was listening, they could hear them. But he also said

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<v Speaker 1>that hams were not listening. So who are you going

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<v Speaker 1>to call if you get into an emergency situation If

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<v Speaker 1>all of you, if your whole crew in the air

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<v Speaker 1>and on the ground, had GMRS or FRS radios, you

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<v Speaker 1>could call the same people. So that's not and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>he clearly states that he goes, this is not what

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<v Speaker 1>they were doing. He's like, an argument could be made,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's really not a valid argument.

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<v Speaker 2>The radio is like as a justin case kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just a radio that they would use basically

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<v Speaker 2>as a walkie talkie, like a cheap walkie talkie, to

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<v Speaker 2>just talk to their other paragliding buddies that were flying. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, as far as I know, none of these

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<v Speaker 2>guys got in any trouble because number one, nobody except

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<v Speaker 2>for the other paragliders really knew they were doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of them were totally clueless about the regulations.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so once again, if nobody knows they're doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>why aren't they use an airband?

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<v Speaker 2>So nobody's really aware that they're violating the regulations, and

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<v Speaker 2>nobody within that community, even if they knew about it,

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<v Speaker 2>would go and like report their friends to the FCC.

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<v Speaker 2>But if somebody got on that radio and was talking

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<v Speaker 2>to a HAM, you know, a licensed radio operator, that

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<v Speaker 2>person would probably have a big problem with it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Ham probably So, yes, I'm within, and so would you. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So this guy is heavy metal. Horizons is the name

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<v Speaker 1>of the channel. Once again, So I'm not a musician,

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<v Speaker 1>but I know a lot of musicians. Let me ask

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<v Speaker 1>you this. Okay, you guys have these wireless receivers that

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<v Speaker 1>you put on your electric guitars or acoustic guitars, an

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<v Speaker 1>acoustic electric guitar, maybe wireless receivers you put on a

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<v Speaker 1>drum set, wireless microphones you put on a drum set

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<v Speaker 1>to go back to the soundboard in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of how the rear of house, back of house,

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<v Speaker 1>what it's called front of house, back of house. I

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<v Speaker 1>know a little bit. I've run a soundboard in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not an expert at all. Okay, So you

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<v Speaker 1>have these wireless headsets. The last ones of the wireless

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<v Speaker 1>headsets are not headsets, but wireless transmitters and receivers for

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<v Speaker 1>microphones connected to your guitar being received by the mixing board.

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<v Speaker 1>By the sound mixer by the sound engineer running sound

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<v Speaker 1>at the rear of house. Okay, so let's say the

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<v Speaker 1>last ones of these I saw were like five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and ten five hundred and twenty five hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>megahertz something like that. So what if I was to

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<v Speaker 1>come in to your venue where you're playing your electric

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<v Speaker 1>guitar and start talking on that frequency that you're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to use on your guitar, do you think would you

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<v Speaker 1>have a problem with it? I mean, it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're using the frequency legitimately, and I'm using it illegitimately.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a right to talk in that frequency,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm doing it anyway because what is it hurt?

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<v Speaker 1>Serious question. I'm not joking with that. Now, if you

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<v Speaker 1>are interested in getting your Ham radio license, I suggest

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<v Speaker 1>heading over to Ham Radio Prep. They offer courses for

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<v Speaker 1>all three levels of license. They offer a Balfaning basics

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<v Speaker 1>course now for courses on HF radio and emergency communications

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<v Speaker 1>all the like. You could and always save a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>of Jason twenty. So get your Ham radio license so

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<v Speaker 1>that you don't have to run into issues like this one.

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<v Speaker 2>The amateur radio operating community do tend to police each other,

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<v Speaker 2>but if someone outside of that community is using the radio,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't really seem to amount too much.

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<v Speaker 1>So my question to you, well, that's very location dependent.

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<v Speaker 1>I guarantee someplaces it would amount to a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys, is how do you feel about this? Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think the usage of those radios is justified in

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<v Speaker 2>that situation because there is kind of a safety issue involved,

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<v Speaker 2>even though technically it's still violating the regulations.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because you have many more options besides just the

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<v Speaker 1>HAM radio frequencies. And in fact, he kind of contradicts

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<v Speaker 1>himself in my opinion with this comment. I'm gonna stop

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<v Speaker 1>the video there, I'll put the video. I'll put a

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<v Speaker 1>link to the video below. You guys can go read it.

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<v Speaker 1>But here's the comment that I made. And Rob seven

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<v Speaker 1>forty one comment is on this two months ago when

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<v Speaker 1>this video was new. I just found this a few

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<v Speaker 1>days ago. Well, this was sent to me a few

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<v Speaker 1>days ago. Okay, so my comment here is the Balfang

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<v Speaker 1>usually covers one thirty six to one seventy four and

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<v Speaker 1>four hundred four and one hundred and eighty megahertz Ham

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<v Speaker 1>frequencies are one forty four to one forty eight. So

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<v Speaker 1>between one thirty six and one seventy four there is

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<v Speaker 1>thirty eight megahurtz worth of bandwidth. There, one thirty six

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<v Speaker 1>to one seventy four is thirty eight megahertz worth. The

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<v Speaker 1>worth of frequencies inside of that thirty eight megahertz is

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<v Speaker 1>only four megaherts. One forty four to one forty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>four eighty that is eighty megahertz worth of spectrum. And

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<v Speaker 1>inside of that there's only thirty megahertz worth the spectrum

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<v Speaker 1>that's HAM. There are plenty of frequencies that the Balfang

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<v Speaker 1>radio can operate outside of HAMD frequencies. What purpose does

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<v Speaker 1>it serve to use the HAMD frequencies if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a license, just talk somewhere else. And I know

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people will come by and say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked about that, or I've seen videos where HAMS

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<v Speaker 1>will complain about people using frequencies. Uh, you know radios

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<v Speaker 1>Balfang radios on one fifty one or non licensed GMRS

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<v Speaker 1>radios on GMR rest free. Yes, And you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I think those hams are our dorks. I think those

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<v Speaker 1>hams are just looking for something to complain about. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand that. If you want to use a radio

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<v Speaker 1>on another frequency somewhere, I don't care. But the point is,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing that separates the HAM radio frequency is the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing that separates the airband frequency. Is the same

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<v Speaker 1>thing that separates the GMRS frequency, is that HAM radio

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<v Speaker 1>operators have studied and gone through the steps to obtain

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<v Speaker 1>the license to talk on those frequencies. Airband is set

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<v Speaker 1>aside specific for specific air traffic control and conversations amongst

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<v Speaker 1>airplanes and aircraft, and those frequencies have been set aside

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<v Speaker 1>for that regard. So if I don't if I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>in an aircraft, or I don't have an air pilot's

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<v Speaker 1>a pilot's license, or some reason for being on those frequencies,

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<v Speaker 1>I shouldn't be able to just talk on those frequencies

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<v Speaker 1>whenever I want to, even how much I want to

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<v Speaker 1>justify it in my own mind. GMRS is the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>All you have to do is buy a GMRS license,

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<v Speaker 1>no test, no external thing is needed. You just go

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<v Speaker 1>pay thirty five dollars for a ten year license and

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<v Speaker 1>you get access to those GMRS frequencies, which are the

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<v Speaker 1>same frequencies as FRS by the way they share the frequencies.

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<v Speaker 1>But with a GMRS license you can talk up to

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<v Speaker 1>fifty watts fifty wat mobile radio, fifty watt repeaters, five

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<v Speaker 1>eight ten watt handheld radios just like Ham radio, and

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<v Speaker 1>a GMRS radio would work beautifully in this situation. So

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<v Speaker 1>why don't all those guys just get GMRS slash FRS

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<v Speaker 1>radios because they'd be able to do the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So he replied to me, like the same. A day

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<v Speaker 1>later he replied to me, He's like, it's because not

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely everyone is using the bowel things. Some are using

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<v Speaker 1>gayser kin with so the hand frequencies are ones that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone can use. Well, what purpose does someone who doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a Ham radio license? Why do they own a

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<v Speaker 1>Ham radio? You know, back when I back in my day,

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<v Speaker 1>back in my day, back and seriously though, before Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>and eBay, you had to go to Ham radio store

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<v Speaker 1>to buy a Ham radio, a Yazu Kin woud Icon

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<v Speaker 1>Ham radio and guess what you had to show your

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<v Speaker 1>license to buy. They wouldn't sell you a Ham radio

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<v Speaker 1>that would transmit on Ham radio frequencies without proper documentation

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<v Speaker 1>that you were a license to operate those frequencies. I

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe we should try to get Amazon to implement

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. Hey, you want to sell ham radios, great, great,

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<v Speaker 1>show proof of your ham radio license before you're able

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<v Speaker 1>to make the purchase. So his reply was, well, because

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<v Speaker 1>people are using ham radils, well they don't need to.

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<v Speaker 1>So my reply back to him, then they should have

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<v Speaker 1>a license. Okay, just like airban, Just like GMRS some

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, you couldn't even buy a kin winder. You

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<v Speaker 1>use a ham radio without a license, similar to buying

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<v Speaker 1>a gun. Now, you don't need a license to buy

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<v Speaker 1>a handgun. To buy a firearm in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about the United States right now, you don't

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<v Speaker 1>need a license, but you do have to show proof

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<v Speaker 1>of ID. I live in Texas. I can't go buy

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<v Speaker 1>a gun in Louisiana, Arkansas, New Mexico. I can't go

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<v Speaker 1>buy a gun in another state. I can, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can't take it with me. I can go purchase a

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<v Speaker 1>gun in another state, go to a gun show, go

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<v Speaker 1>to a gun shop, go purchase a gun in another state,

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<v Speaker 1>and they will ship it to a FFL Federal Firearms

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<v Speaker 1>Licensed dealer in my home state, where I have to

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<v Speaker 1>show ID and do the background check thing. Now, background

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<v Speaker 1>checks are a little bit unconstitutional in my opinion, because

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<v Speaker 1>the right to firearms is protected by the Secondmendment the

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<v Speaker 1>Constitution in the United States. But I'm not getting into

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<v Speaker 1>that right now. Whatever the ambiance or whatever the political

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<v Speaker 1>crap behind this, the simple fact is that today I

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<v Speaker 1>can't go buy a handgun in another state without getting

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<v Speaker 1>it shipped home and having to show my ID and

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<v Speaker 1>proof that I'm eligible to buy that firearm to an

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<v Speaker 1>FFL inside of my state. Ham radio should be the

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<v Speaker 1>same way. Some schmo shouldn't be able to get on

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<v Speaker 1>eBay or Amazon and buy a HAM radio that will

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<v Speaker 1>transmit on HAM radio bands. They don't have any business

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<v Speaker 1>being there. And this guy and this other video here,

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking about this unaffordable aviation radio for pilots and

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<v Speaker 1>he gives a link to Ali Express and anybody and

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<v Speaker 1>this ht will transmit on airband. Maybe I should grab

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<v Speaker 1>one of these and go just start talking to pilots.

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<v Speaker 1>Just oh, I'm just talking a pilot. What I bought

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<v Speaker 1>a radio little transmit over there. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>do you guys think I'm being a little bit facetious

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<v Speaker 1>right now. I don't actually think I want to transmit

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<v Speaker 1>on airban, although airband receive radios are cool. So what

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<v Speaker 1>do you think I mean? The original title of the

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<v Speaker 1>original video was do only Ham's care about FCC regulations? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what your guitar transmitter and receiver is regulated by

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<v Speaker 1>the FCC. Your airban frequencies, which this guy's obviously a pilot,

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<v Speaker 1>is regulated by the FCC in the inside of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States I'm talking about. So do you care about

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<v Speaker 1>when someone uses your frequencies that's not licensed to do?

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go. I want to know put a

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<v Speaker 1>comment below thank you for watching today? His pinned comment Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is this is kind of cool. Here

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<v Speaker 1>his pin comment to the top of his video right

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<v Speaker 1>here says, attention Los Angeles Ham radio operators. So if

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<v Speaker 1>any of you, if that applies to any of you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>you might reach out to this dude. Would you like

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<v Speaker 1>to help me make videos? Sometimes I need to make

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<v Speaker 1>a video contact with another Ham, another Ham, So I

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<v Speaker 1>guess he's he is a HAM. Maybe as part of

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<v Speaker 1>a video I'm looking for a person or people who

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<v Speaker 1>are okay with their voice being heard. Maybe you could

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<v Speaker 1>even collaborate on some videos. If you're interested, click on

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<v Speaker 1>my channel name and then go to the more or

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<v Speaker 1>about section. You can find my email there, So there

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<v Speaker 1>you go. If you live in the Los Angeles area,

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<v Speaker 1>go hit this guy up. Maybe you can make some

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<v Speaker 1>good collaborations with him. I don't know your name, mister

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<v Speaker 1>heavy metal Horizons, but if you want ever want to

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<v Speaker 1>collaborate with me, I'd be happy to do so. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to agree. I like having adult, reasonable, calm

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<v Speaker 1>conversations about subjects that we care about, whether we agree

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<v Speaker 1>or not. So, but I would like to know what

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<v Speaker 1>you the audience thinks. Put your comments below. Seventy three