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Speaker 1: sent to me by one of you guys, and it
Speaker 1: addresses an issue about FCC licensing and the use of
Speaker 1: amateur radio bands by someone other than Ham's And for
Speaker 1: some reason it touches on an issue that I don't
Speaker 1: quite understand about using radios while paragliding. So let's check
Speaker 1: this out. This video was sent to me. It is
Speaker 1: from a channel called heavy Metal Horizons and he's got
Speaker 1: a decent sized channel eleven thousand subscribers. Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: know why a heavy metal channel is talking about Ham
Speaker 1: radio stuff. You can see his radio stuff in the
Speaker 1: background there. So we're gonna go through. This is only
Speaker 1: a five minute video. We're gonna go through this and
Speaker 1: see what he has to say here. And I want
Speaker 1: to know what you guys think about this.
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome back to heavy Metal Horizons. And in
Speaker 2: this video, I've got a question to all of the
Speaker 2: hams out there, and that question is, are Ham radio
Speaker 2: operators the only ones that care about Ham radio rules?
Speaker 1: No? And I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna show you why.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you an example that this guy should
Speaker 1: understand here in a second. So check this. Okay, So
Speaker 1: let's keep.
Speaker 2: Going now before you answer in the comments section, I
Speaker 2: already did that. Want to give you guys an example
Speaker 2: of what I'm talking about. Okay. I used to do paragliding,
Speaker 2: and I haven't on it in a couple of years
Speaker 2: because I've just been busy with other things, mostly with
Speaker 2: the airplane aviation stuff. But when I was doing parid.
Speaker 1: So I was so airplane aviation. He mentions right here.
Speaker 1: So I was poking around here and I found he's
Speaker 1: talking about an affordable, an affordable aviation radio for pilots. Finally,
Speaker 1: and I went through and I opened up this video
Speaker 1: from him. Okay, and I will play the first few
Speaker 1: seconds of this.
Speaker 2: So I meant Iraka November at nine or seven two
Speaker 2: seven echo play at a quick radio checkleif Iroka nine
Speaker 2: or seven two seven echo tower? Have you line clear?
Speaker 1: Okay, So let's look at this from the standpoint of this.
Speaker 1: This guy's a pilot. Presumably he's got his pilot's license.
Speaker 1: I don't. He didn't show his license, but you know,
Speaker 1: let's he does. He has his pilot license. He's got
Speaker 1: a legit call sign on his airplane. Good. Okay, So
Speaker 1: let's look at this from a standpoint of what if
Speaker 1: I went and bought that radio he's talking about, which
Speaker 1: he got from Ali Express, and you know, spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: I just went and bought that radio because DFW airport's
Speaker 1: right there, right right there, well back there somewhere turned
Speaker 1: around in my own hamshack. What if I got on
Speaker 1: the aircraft frequencies on AM and just started talking, or
Speaker 1: what if me and my wife, for me and my
Speaker 1: neighbor started using aircraft frequencies just to have regular polite
Speaker 1: conversations about anything at all? Would that be? Okay? I
Speaker 1: just bought a radio that will let you transmit on airband,
Speaker 1: So that means I should be able to transmit on
Speaker 1: airband correctly correct correct? Well, that radio is from tryin it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so is a boufing. So okay, question, you know, something
Speaker 1: to chew on. Question for later, for later.
Speaker 2: Or gliding you would go and you'd go up to
Speaker 2: the top of the mountain or the launch area wherever
Speaker 2: it was, and people would start getting their wings set
Speaker 2: up and their harnesses and everything, and you would hear this, Okay,
Speaker 2: all those paragliding pilots were using Ham radios hts. A
Speaker 2: lot of them were using the Balfing UV five R,
Speaker 2: and they were using these radios to talk to each
Speaker 2: other and in some cases maybe talk to somebody on
Speaker 2: the ground, like an instructor or somebody who was getting
Speaker 2: photos of them, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I saw another article on Reddit a while back about
Speaker 1: why Ham radio operators and paragliders hate one another. And
Speaker 1: I've been a Ham for thirty years and I've never
Speaker 1: heard that before I saw this article. This was several
Speaker 1: months ago, and the only thing I could come up
Speaker 1: with is that what people who don't have radio licenses
Speaker 1: may not know because you're not used to using a radio. Okay,
Speaker 1: so you may or maybe you do know this, But
Speaker 1: one of the things about getting a Ham radio license
Speaker 1: is actually learning how to use the radio so that
Speaker 1: you can know how to use it, know what it
Speaker 1: does when you are using it, and a GMRS radio
Speaker 1: would work in this scenario very well too. But the
Speaker 1: higher up you get, we have a term in Ham
Speaker 1: radio called height is might, So the higher up your
Speaker 1: antenna is, the farther out you're able to talk. So
Speaker 1: if you're in a paraglider or you're doing parachute mobile
Speaker 1: like life at terminal velocity like Carlos does, you are
Speaker 1: going to be able to talk of much longer distance
Speaker 1: on a five watt handheld than you would standing on
Speaker 1: the ground because you're standing on the ground trying to
Speaker 1: talk to other stations on the ground, and you've got terrain, trees, hills, leaves, buildings,
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff in between you and that other station.
Speaker 1: When you are several hundred feet or several thousand feet
Speaker 1: in the air, you have clear line of sight to
Speaker 1: all those ground stations, so your signal reaches out a
Speaker 1: lot farther because you are up higher.
Speaker 2: None of these guys had Ham radio licenses, but of
Speaker 2: course they were using a Ham radio, and they were
Speaker 2: using it in the Ham radio frequency band. And here
Speaker 2: is the big point that I'm making.
Speaker 1: If they're using it in the Ham radio band. Then
Speaker 1: it's then they shouldn't be doing that. So that's my answer.
Speaker 1: I'm going to show you the comment I left on
Speaker 1: this guy's video here in a minute.
Speaker 2: Because these were paragliding pilots and they only used the
Speaker 2: radio for paragliding. They had really no idea about the
Speaker 2: other Ham radio stuff. They didn't care at all about
Speaker 2: the fact that they were operating the radio without a
Speaker 2: license and violating these various FCC rules.
Speaker 1: Okay, so why don't they use their paragliding They're in
Speaker 1: the air, Why aren't they using air band radios? Serious question?
Speaker 1: I really, I really want to know. You're in a
Speaker 1: paraglider in the air, you're talking to other paragliding stations,
Speaker 1: you are flying an aircraft of sorts, talking to ground stations,
Speaker 1: talking to air stations. Why are you not using airband radio?
Speaker 1: I'd like to know. No, seriously, I'd like to know
Speaker 1: what your answer is to that, because those are regulated
Speaker 1: by the FCC as well, by the.
Speaker 2: Way, and not only did they not have a problem,
Speaker 2: but nobody else who was aware that they were doing
Speaker 2: it had a problem either. Nobody ever said anything, Nobody.
Speaker 1: Ever ignorance of the law is no reason to not
Speaker 1: obey the law, or something like that.
Speaker 2: I'm paraphrasing got reported or anything like that. Now, realistically,
Speaker 2: your range is not going to be great on these radios,
Speaker 2: but they're using these when they're up in the air,
Speaker 2: so exactly, at least they're getting quite a bit of distance, exactly.
Speaker 1: And you could do the same thing with GMRS radios
Speaker 1: two by the way, which you just buy a license
Speaker 1: or just use FRS radios that are lower power and
Speaker 1: do the same thing.
Speaker 2: In terms of line of sight for the intent and everything.
Speaker 2: So theoretically, if there was somebody a HAM in the
Speaker 2: area listening on VHF, they probably could hear what they
Speaker 2: were saying. Now, maybe you could make an argument that, well,
Speaker 2: it's paara gliding and if they do something wrong it
Speaker 2: could be potentially a life or death situation. So maybe
Speaker 2: the radio usage is justified because it's almost an emergency,
Speaker 2: or if they don't use it, it could lead to
Speaker 2: an emergency. But to be clear, nobody none of these
Speaker 2: guys were using these.
Speaker 1: That's not very very valid argument because he just said
Speaker 1: that hams were not listening. He said if a ham
Speaker 1: was listening, they could hear them. But he also said
Speaker 1: that hams were not listening. So who are you going
Speaker 1: to call if you get into an emergency situation If
Speaker 1: all of you, if your whole crew in the air
Speaker 1: and on the ground, had GMRS or FRS radios, you
Speaker 1: could call the same people. So that's not and he said,
Speaker 1: he clearly states that he goes, this is not what
Speaker 1: they were doing. He's like, an argument could be made,
Speaker 1: but it's really not a valid argument.
Speaker 2: The radio is like as a justin case kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It was just a radio that they would use basically
Speaker 2: as a walkie talkie, like a cheap walkie talkie, to
Speaker 2: just talk to their other paragliding buddies that were flying. Now,
Speaker 2: of course, as far as I know, none of these
Speaker 2: guys got in any trouble because number one, nobody except
Speaker 2: for the other paragliders really knew they were doing it,
Speaker 2: and a lot of them were totally clueless about the regulations.
Speaker 1: Okay, so once again, if nobody knows they're doing it,
Speaker 1: why aren't they use an airband?
Speaker 2: So nobody's really aware that they're violating the regulations, and
Speaker 2: nobody within that community, even if they knew about it,
Speaker 2: would go and like report their friends to the FCC.
Speaker 2: But if somebody got on that radio and was talking
Speaker 2: to a HAM, you know, a licensed radio operator, that
Speaker 2: person would probably have a big problem with it.
Speaker 1: So Ham probably So, yes, I'm within, and so would you. Okay,
Speaker 1: So this guy is heavy metal. Horizons is the name
Speaker 1: of the channel. Once again, So I'm not a musician,
Speaker 1: but I know a lot of musicians. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this. Okay, you guys have these wireless receivers that
Speaker 1: you put on your electric guitars or acoustic guitars, an
Speaker 1: acoustic electric guitar, maybe wireless receivers you put on a
Speaker 1: drum set, wireless microphones you put on a drum set
Speaker 1: to go back to the soundboard in the in the
Speaker 1: back of how the rear of house, back of house,
Speaker 1: what it's called front of house, back of house. I
Speaker 1: know a little bit. I've run a soundboard in the past,
Speaker 1: but I'm not an expert at all. Okay, So you
Speaker 1: have these wireless headsets. The last ones of the wireless
Speaker 1: headsets are not headsets, but wireless transmitters and receivers for
Speaker 1: microphones connected to your guitar being received by the mixing board.
Speaker 1: By the sound mixer by the sound engineer running sound
Speaker 1: at the rear of house. Okay, so let's say the
Speaker 1: last ones of these I saw were like five hundred
Speaker 1: and ten five hundred and twenty five hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: megahertz something like that. So what if I was to
Speaker 1: come in to your venue where you're playing your electric
Speaker 1: guitar and start talking on that frequency that you're trying
Speaker 1: to use on your guitar, do you think would you
Speaker 1: have a problem with it? I mean, it's you know,
Speaker 1: you're using the frequency legitimately, and I'm using it illegitimately.
Speaker 1: I don't have a right to talk in that frequency,
Speaker 1: but I'm doing it anyway because what is it hurt?
Speaker 1: Serious question. I'm not joking with that. Now, if you
Speaker 1: are interested in getting your Ham radio license, I suggest
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Speaker 1: all three levels of license. They offer a Balfaning basics
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Speaker 1: that you don't have to run into issues like this one.
Speaker 2: The amateur radio operating community do tend to police each other,
Speaker 2: but if someone outside of that community is using the radio,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really seem to amount too much.
Speaker 1: So my question to you, well, that's very location dependent.
Speaker 1: I guarantee someplaces it would amount to a lot.
Speaker 2: You guys, is how do you feel about this? Do
Speaker 2: you think the usage of those radios is justified in
Speaker 2: that situation because there is kind of a safety issue involved,
Speaker 2: even though technically it's still violating the regulations.
Speaker 1: No, because you have many more options besides just the
Speaker 1: HAM radio frequencies. And in fact, he kind of contradicts
Speaker 1: himself in my opinion with this comment. I'm gonna stop
Speaker 1: the video there, I'll put the video. I'll put a
Speaker 1: link to the video below. You guys can go read it.
Speaker 1: But here's the comment that I made. And Rob seven
Speaker 1: forty one comment is on this two months ago when
Speaker 1: this video was new. I just found this a few
Speaker 1: days ago. Well, this was sent to me a few
Speaker 1: days ago. Okay, so my comment here is the Balfang
Speaker 1: usually covers one thirty six to one seventy four and
Speaker 1: four hundred four and one hundred and eighty megahertz Ham
Speaker 1: frequencies are one forty four to one forty eight. So
Speaker 1: between one thirty six and one seventy four there is
Speaker 1: thirty eight megahurtz worth of bandwidth. There, one thirty six
Speaker 1: to one seventy four is thirty eight megahertz worth. The
Speaker 1: worth of frequencies inside of that thirty eight megahertz is
Speaker 1: only four megaherts. One forty four to one forty eight.
Speaker 1: That's the HAM radio spectrum. And from four hundred and
Speaker 1: four eighty that is eighty megahertz worth of spectrum. And
Speaker 1: inside of that there's only thirty megahertz worth the spectrum
Speaker 1: that's HAM. There are plenty of frequencies that the Balfang
Speaker 1: radio can operate outside of HAMD frequencies. What purpose does
Speaker 1: it serve to use the HAMD frequencies if you don't
Speaker 1: have a license, just talk somewhere else. And I know
Speaker 1: a lot of people will come by and say, well,
Speaker 1: I've talked about that, or I've seen videos where HAMS
Speaker 1: will complain about people using frequencies. Uh, you know radios
Speaker 1: Balfang radios on one fifty one or non licensed GMRS
Speaker 1: radios on GMR rest free. Yes, And you know what
Speaker 1: I think those hams are our dorks. I think those
Speaker 1: hams are just looking for something to complain about. I
Speaker 1: don't understand that. If you want to use a radio
Speaker 1: on another frequency somewhere, I don't care. But the point is,
Speaker 1: the thing that separates the HAM radio frequency is the
Speaker 1: same thing that separates the airband frequency. Is the same
Speaker 1: thing that separates the GMRS frequency, is that HAM radio
Speaker 1: operators have studied and gone through the steps to obtain
Speaker 1: the license to talk on those frequencies. Airband is set
Speaker 1: aside specific for specific air traffic control and conversations amongst
Speaker 1: airplanes and aircraft, and those frequencies have been set aside
Speaker 1: for that regard. So if I don't if I'm not
Speaker 1: in an aircraft, or I don't have an air pilot's
Speaker 1: a pilot's license, or some reason for being on those frequencies,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be able to just talk on those frequencies
Speaker 1: whenever I want to, even how much I want to
Speaker 1: justify it in my own mind. GMRS is the same way.
Speaker 1: All you have to do is buy a GMRS license,
Speaker 1: no test, no external thing is needed. You just go
Speaker 1: pay thirty five dollars for a ten year license and
Speaker 1: you get access to those GMRS frequencies, which are the
Speaker 1: same frequencies as FRS by the way they share the frequencies.
Speaker 1: But with a GMRS license you can talk up to
Speaker 1: fifty watts fifty wat mobile radio, fifty watt repeaters, five
Speaker 1: eight ten watt handheld radios just like Ham radio, and
Speaker 1: a GMRS radio would work beautifully in this situation. So
Speaker 1: why don't all those guys just get GMRS slash FRS
Speaker 1: radios because they'd be able to do the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: So he replied to me, like the same. A day
Speaker 1: later he replied to me, He's like, it's because not
Speaker 1: absolutely everyone is using the bowel things. Some are using
Speaker 1: gayser kin with so the hand frequencies are ones that
Speaker 1: everyone can use. Well, what purpose does someone who doesn't
Speaker 1: have a Ham radio license? Why do they own a
Speaker 1: Ham radio? You know, back when I back in my day,
Speaker 1: back in my day, back and seriously though, before Amazon
Speaker 1: and eBay, you had to go to Ham radio store
Speaker 1: to buy a Ham radio, a Yazu Kin woud Icon
Speaker 1: Ham radio and guess what you had to show your
Speaker 1: license to buy. They wouldn't sell you a Ham radio
Speaker 1: that would transmit on Ham radio frequencies without proper documentation
Speaker 1: that you were a license to operate those frequencies. I
Speaker 1: think maybe we should try to get Amazon to implement
Speaker 1: something like that. Hey, you want to sell ham radios, great, great,
Speaker 1: show proof of your ham radio license before you're able
Speaker 1: to make the purchase. So his reply was, well, because
Speaker 1: people are using ham radils, well they don't need to.
Speaker 1: So my reply back to him, then they should have
Speaker 1: a license. Okay, just like airban, Just like GMRS some
Speaker 1: years ago, you couldn't even buy a kin winder. You
Speaker 1: use a ham radio without a license, similar to buying
Speaker 1: a gun. Now, you don't need a license to buy
Speaker 1: a handgun. To buy a firearm in the United States,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the United States right now, you don't
Speaker 1: need a license, but you do have to show proof
Speaker 1: of ID. I live in Texas. I can't go buy
Speaker 1: a gun in Louisiana, Arkansas, New Mexico. I can't go
Speaker 1: buy a gun in another state. I can, but I
Speaker 1: can't take it with me. I can go purchase a
Speaker 1: gun in another state, go to a gun show, go
Speaker 1: to a gun shop, go purchase a gun in another state,
Speaker 1: and they will ship it to a FFL Federal Firearms
Speaker 1: Licensed dealer in my home state, where I have to
Speaker 1: show ID and do the background check thing. Now, background
Speaker 1: checks are a little bit unconstitutional in my opinion, because
Speaker 1: the right to firearms is protected by the Secondmendment the
Speaker 1: Constitution in the United States. But I'm not getting into
Speaker 1: that right now. Whatever the ambiance or whatever the political
Speaker 1: crap behind this, the simple fact is that today I
Speaker 1: can't go buy a handgun in another state without getting
Speaker 1: it shipped home and having to show my ID and
Speaker 1: proof that I'm eligible to buy that firearm to an
Speaker 1: FFL inside of my state. Ham radio should be the
Speaker 1: same way. Some schmo shouldn't be able to get on
Speaker 1: eBay or Amazon and buy a HAM radio that will
Speaker 1: transmit on HAM radio bands. They don't have any business
Speaker 1: being there. And this guy and this other video here,
Speaker 1: he's talking about this unaffordable aviation radio for pilots and
Speaker 1: he gives a link to Ali Express and anybody and
Speaker 1: this ht will transmit on airband. Maybe I should grab
Speaker 1: one of these and go just start talking to pilots.
Speaker 1: Just oh, I'm just talking a pilot. What I bought
Speaker 1: a radio little transmit over there. I don't know what
Speaker 1: do you guys think I'm being a little bit facetious
Speaker 1: right now. I don't actually think I want to transmit
Speaker 1: on airban, although airband receive radios are cool. So what
Speaker 1: do you think I mean? The original title of the
Speaker 1: original video was do only Ham's care about FCC regulations? Well,
Speaker 1: guess what your guitar transmitter and receiver is regulated by
Speaker 1: the FCC. Your airban frequencies, which this guy's obviously a pilot,
Speaker 1: is regulated by the FCC in the inside of the
Speaker 1: United States I'm talking about. So do you care about
Speaker 1: when someone uses your frequencies that's not licensed to do?
Speaker 1: So there you go. I want to know put a
Speaker 1: comment below thank you for watching today? His pinned comment Now,
Speaker 1: this is this is this is kind of cool. Here
Speaker 1: his pin comment to the top of his video right
Speaker 1: here says, attention Los Angeles Ham radio operators. So if
Speaker 1: any of you, if that applies to any of you guys,
Speaker 1: you might reach out to this dude. Would you like
Speaker 1: to help me make videos? Sometimes I need to make
Speaker 1: a video contact with another Ham, another Ham, So I
Speaker 1: guess he's he is a HAM. Maybe as part of
Speaker 1: a video I'm looking for a person or people who
Speaker 1: are okay with their voice being heard. Maybe you could
Speaker 1: even collaborate on some videos. If you're interested, click on
Speaker 1: my channel name and then go to the more or
Speaker 1: about section. You can find my email there, So there
Speaker 1: you go. If you live in the Los Angeles area,
Speaker 1: go hit this guy up. Maybe you can make some
Speaker 1: good collaborations with him. I don't know your name, mister
Speaker 1: heavy metal Horizons, but if you want ever want to
Speaker 1: collaborate with me, I'd be happy to do so. We
Speaker 1: don't have to agree. I like having adult, reasonable, calm
Speaker 1: conversations about subjects that we care about, whether we agree
Speaker 1: or not. So, but I would like to know what
Speaker 1: you the audience thinks. Put your comments below. Seventy three