WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.679 --> 00:00:09.320 One of the best parts of life is that things 2 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:12.359 don't always work out the way you plan. The result 3 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:14.359 can be an adventure that takes you to places you 4 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:17.719 never thought you'd ever see, or experiences that help create 5 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:20.239 memories that you can look back on for years to come. 6 00:00:21.399 --> 00:00:25.079 With good, though, there must also come the bad. Today's 7 00:00:25.079 --> 00:00:27.920 story has many moments that turn out much different than 8 00:00:27.960 --> 00:00:32.600 you'd expect. As our subject today, Michelle Hadley, would find 9 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:35.560 out she would find herself in the middle of a nightmare, 10 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:40.399 nightmare that keeps getting worse and worse, and even when 11 00:00:40.399 --> 00:00:42.840 she tries to escape and get away from it all, 12 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:45.600 it just keeps getting worse. 13 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.960 My name's Ben and I'm Nicole and you're listening to 14 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:53.079 Wicked and Grim. 15 00:00:52.479 --> 00:01:03.600 A true crime podcasting. The following podcast material more mature 16 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:26.920 audience listener discretion. I'm pretty sure Ripley is going to 17 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.239 wake up with like the most of sore necks ever 18 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:30.239 right now. Look at her. 19 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:32.640 No, she sleeps in weird positions all the time. 20 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:35.400 She does, but she's not a young, spry, little pup anymore. 21 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:37.640 Okay, what the heck? I actually took them to the 22 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:41.519 dog park today and some lady was looking at rip 23 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:43.760 and her dog was quite young, I guess, and she 24 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:45.159 was looking at Rip and she was like, oh, you 25 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:48.359 got some gray hairs. You're not a young pup. And 26 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:53.439 I was like herself, it was like, she's four. Wow, 27 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:55.079 Like what do you mean. 28 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:57.920 She's a husky. She's half like white hair, I know, 29 00:01:58.040 --> 00:01:59.519 half gray, half black. 30 00:01:59.879 --> 00:02:03.040 I was a little bit insulted, actually, So it's like, 31 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:06.280 what she is not old? No, that is not old. 32 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:08.439 And here she is running around like a crazy person. 33 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:09.879 So I'm like, what the heck she. 34 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:13.280 Didn't know what she's talking about. Yeah, Honey. On the 35 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:15.879 other hand, I think she's curled up like a little 36 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:18.439 freaking sweet angel over there. She's fitting into the tiny 37 00:02:18.439 --> 00:02:23.120 home like perfectly. She's officially completely comfortable. She has made 38 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:25.240 her home. It's fantastic. 39 00:02:25.319 --> 00:02:26.759 She stresses me out, though, but. 40 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:30.120 Okay, she just had one escape venture the other day. 41 00:02:30.280 --> 00:02:33.319 She only escapes when I'm home. It seems like I 42 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:35.520 literally take my eye off them for five minutes and 43 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:37.439 then I go out there and Honey's not in the 44 00:02:37.439 --> 00:02:38.039 freaking yard. 45 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:39.719 Shit, it's the curse. 46 00:02:39.800 --> 00:02:41.000 It makes my heart just stop. 47 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:43.560 It's a curse. You are cursed. The dogs will only 48 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:45.199 escape when you're home, not when I am. 49 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:49.240 Okay, well, soon enough, you will be home all the time. 50 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:51.840 Yeah, that's true because I only have like a week 51 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:55.719 and a half left until I am completely done my 52 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:59.639 nine to five job, jumping in full to like videography 53 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:01.599 work slash podcasting. 54 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:02.960 Yeah, it's awesome. 55 00:03:03.120 --> 00:03:05.719 Yeah, I'm super pumped. There's gonna be a lot more 56 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:08.199 content getting pushed out on Patreon, for example, in our 57 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:10.560 social media, so you can expect to see that coming 58 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:12.759 in the in the coming weeks. Yeah. 59 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:15.719 Speaking of Patreon, we got some people saying don't we 60 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:16.319 we do. 61 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:18.639 And thank you for sending me a list. I have 62 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:26.080 four individuals here starting with Ozzy Carlson, Tamara Newcombe, Amanda Ashcraft, 63 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:28.159 and Amanda Carlson. 64 00:03:28.680 --> 00:03:29.080 Nice. 65 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:30.960 Thank you so much to all you guys for joining 66 00:03:31.039 --> 00:03:31.800 us over on Patreons. 67 00:03:32.039 --> 00:03:33.680 Amanda's henh yeah, and. 68 00:03:33.520 --> 00:03:35.439 Two with the last name Carlson as well. 69 00:03:35.479 --> 00:03:38.039 Oh seriously, okay, I miss that part. Yeah wow. 70 00:03:38.520 --> 00:03:40.759 So they're going to be getting some awesome content. Like 71 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:42.759 we did a little pre show for this episode. We 72 00:03:42.800 --> 00:03:45.159 do a pre show like every other episode, it seems like, 73 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:48.360 and just throw it out there with some cool conversations 74 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:50.599 and at the end of the month even think it what. 75 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.599 Exclusive episode three months? 76 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.280 Yeah, the only way you can hear the episode is 77 00:03:57.319 --> 00:03:58.879 on Patreon, And we're actually building a bit of a 78 00:03:58.879 --> 00:03:59.719 library over there now. 79 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:01.960 So yeah, so when you sign up too, like you 80 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:03.840 can literally go and listen to all of them. 81 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:06.479 Yeah, so sign up, you got the whole back library 82 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:08.080 of episodes. You can go through it. I'll listen to 83 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:10.919 all those awesome ones cause I mean, like we have like, 84 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:13.120 what one hundred and thirty episodes now on our like 85 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.920 regular podcast library. We've probably got another like I don't know, 86 00:04:17.240 --> 00:04:19.240 thirty episodes twenty thirty. 87 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:21.720 Yeah, yeah, we should buy a list to actually put 88 00:04:21.720 --> 00:04:22.240 it out there. 89 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:24.040 We are, we got in the coming out in the 90 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:25.879 coming weeks is actually going to be an addition onto 91 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:28.720 our website that only patrons can access. So it's a 92 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:31.040 nice easy access library that I can see at all, 93 00:04:31.120 --> 00:04:32.079 like boom right there. 94 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:34.360 Yeah, but we can share that on Instagram to which 95 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:36.800 cases we've done. Oh yeah, so people can see if 96 00:04:36.800 --> 00:04:37.480 they're interested. 97 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:40.360 Right, Yeah, that's not a bad idea, actually, good good call. 98 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:44.199 What else we got to talk about? Oh, okay, as 99 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:46.279 cliche as it is, there is something we want to 100 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:47.759 touch on the. 101 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.519 Weather, Oh my gosh, are we touching on the weather? 102 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.839 We are because I'm sorry, I'm stupid excited with the weather. 103 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.240 We already mentioned it as we were talking to patrons earlier. 104 00:04:56.480 --> 00:04:58.800 But snow's melting Cavin fever. 105 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:01.560 I think touch on this. How about we touch on 106 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:04.360 this every week until we have no snow because people 107 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:07.279 are probably just shocked. But we literally still have Okay, 108 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:10.600 I think not two feet anymore. I know, probably like 109 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:14.600 at least a foot and a half though in some areas. 110 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:17.720 In some areas, I think a foot is our average. 111 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:20.120 But if you go, like Dent to the downtown area, 112 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:22.519 where there's a little more like you know, pollution and warmth, 113 00:05:22.639 --> 00:05:25.519 different buildings and cars, there's not a whole lot left, 114 00:05:25.560 --> 00:05:28.279 if any. But we're on the outskirts of town where 115 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:30.120 there's snows. 116 00:05:29.920 --> 00:05:32.920 Hire elevation up here. That's right. The dog park actually 117 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:34.480 Heart had very little. 118 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:37.199 Which is good. But that's downtown too. It's downtown, so 119 00:05:37.439 --> 00:05:39.759 we probably have a good average of a foot of 120 00:05:39.800 --> 00:05:42.680 snow still in our lawns and everything. It's not cool. 121 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:44.720 I think it will be here for at least two 122 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:45.800 more weeks probably. 123 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.600 Yeah, Well put it this way. I got a Facebook 124 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:51.759 memory popped up. What was it last week? I was 125 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:56.839 fishing on open water seven years ago on lake Yeah, 126 00:05:57.360 --> 00:06:02.240 and that same day my dad was ice fishing on 127 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:05.480 the same fucking lake this year. 128 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:08.920 Right, yeah, so seven years I was like, what do 129 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:10.839 you mean. At the same time, I was like, that's 130 00:06:10.839 --> 00:06:11.560 so dangerous. 131 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:14.199 Seven years ago, seven years ago, there's no ice in 132 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:17.639 the lake. This year ice fishing, ice fishing. When he 133 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:19.240 was drilling through, he said there was like a foot 134 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:20.959 and a half two feet of ice on it. Still. 135 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:23.920 Yeah, we've had a particularly harsh winter. 136 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:25.360 You said shitty winter. 137 00:06:25.439 --> 00:06:25.680 Wrong. 138 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:27.759 We've had a particularly shitty. 139 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:30.879 And I think it hit us mostly in in February 140 00:06:30.959 --> 00:06:33.120 or so, so that's why we're having all this extra 141 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:34.519 yeah right now too, I think. 142 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:37.240 Yeah. And we've been getting a lot of shitty spring 143 00:06:37.279 --> 00:06:40.120 weather too. It's been freezing overnight, so yeah, cabin fever 144 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:41.720 is soon going to go out the window. We're able 145 00:06:41.720 --> 00:06:44.680 to go outside and explore and melty snow and sun 146 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:45.240 and stuff. 147 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:49.079 Melty snow and sun and stuff. It was snowing today, yeah, 148 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:50.639 which is bullshit. I don't know if you knew that. 149 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:52.800 I did know that nothing stuck it with just some 150 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:57.199 flakes coming down. Yeah, crisis averted. All right, you ready 151 00:06:57.240 --> 00:06:57.800 to get into this. 152 00:06:58.000 --> 00:06:58.879 I'm ready to roll. 153 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:00.879 This is not the case that I was hoping to 154 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:03.800 cover this week. The one I was going to cover 155 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.240 this week is a little bit more involved, as I 156 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:08.519 mentioned last time, so I'm pushing it off again to 157 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:13.120 have the proper time to research that one. This one, though, 158 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:15.879 it is just as involved. I was able to actually 159 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:17.879 get the research done for this one, which is nice. 160 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:18.639 So here we go. 161 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:19.839 Here, really, let's go. 162 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:26.319 So this case is the case of Michelle Susan Hadley. 163 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:27.040 Okay. 164 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:31.079 So Michelle was a twenty nine year old woman who 165 00:07:31.120 --> 00:07:35.600 was born on December twentieth of nineteen eighty six in Upland, California, 166 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:40.079 to Michael and Susan Hadley. Now. She moved with her 167 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:43.399 parents and her younger sister to Ontario, California when she 168 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:45.600 was a younger kid. It was there that she would 169 00:07:45.600 --> 00:07:48.079 grow up and blossom into the person that people knew 170 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.720 and loved. Her and her family were devout Christians, and 171 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:55.639 Michelle was described as quiet, intelligent, a driven young woman. 172 00:07:56.240 --> 00:07:59.120 She didn't partake in any of the typical alluring lifestyles 173 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:01.279 of others her age, as she began to grow up 174 00:08:01.279 --> 00:08:05.160 a little bit, some of those lifestyles being things like 175 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:08.600 you know, partying, risk taking. For me example, like I 176 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:11.600 go cliff jumping, that sort of stuff, you know, running 177 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:14.720 on the railroad tracks or who knows what these darn 178 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:15.959 kids are getting up to these days. 179 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:17.839 You know, would you still cliff jump at your age? 180 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:18.480 Yeah? 181 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:20.160 Okay, just curious sells. 182 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:23.800 Yeah, I just might not go as high. You could 183 00:08:23.839 --> 00:08:27.519 still jump off a cliff into like four. 184 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:30.560 Feet down five feet that's fine as long. 185 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.320 As it's a cliff. You know, that's still cliff jumping. 186 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:37.639 But yeah. She believed rules were to be followed, not 187 00:08:37.759 --> 00:08:41.000 to be broken. With her morals intact, she had a 188 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:45.120 clean criminal history. She was just a good kid. Now, 189 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:47.360 this didn't mean that she stayed out of the spotlight though, 190 00:08:47.759 --> 00:08:50.759 just because she kept her nose clean, was quiet. She 191 00:08:51.360 --> 00:08:54.200 kind of didn't seek out the spotlight per se. She 192 00:08:54.240 --> 00:08:56.440 wasn't a center of attention kind of person. But in 193 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:58.879 high school she was a track star who was often 194 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:01.159 pushing the envelope for kids her age and all that 195 00:09:01.200 --> 00:09:04.080 sort of thing. She was actually getting quite the accomplishments 196 00:09:04.120 --> 00:09:07.039 on her shoulder. Nice Because of this, it ended up 197 00:09:07.039 --> 00:09:10.080 earning her a scholarship to a college in Pennsylvania. 198 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:12.399 That's a big deal. Oh, yes, it must have been good. 199 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:15.559 Oh yeah, scholarships are like no joke, man, Yeah you 200 00:09:15.639 --> 00:09:18.080 get those. That's a merit on you for sure. 201 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:18.679 Awesome. 202 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:22.759 So, eventually, in two thousand and nine, she would graduate 203 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.600 with a bachelor's degree, but also with an engagement ring 204 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:30.120 proudly displayed on her finger. She was actually engaged to 205 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:31.399 her high school sweetheart. 206 00:09:31.759 --> 00:09:33.600 Oh isn't that just the best? 207 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:36.399 Oh? Definitely, just like us high school. 208 00:09:36.120 --> 00:09:38.120 Sweetheart in case you didn't know, yeap. 209 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:42.519 However, unfortunately, though, like many relationships that start young, it 210 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:43.159 didn't last. 211 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:47.399 We've heard that a few times. It's not gonna work. 212 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:48.279 It's not gonna last. 213 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:51.559 Yeah, we've been lasting so far, so hopefully it keeps 214 00:09:51.559 --> 00:09:54.799 that way. Unfortunately for Michelle, though, it didn't work out 215 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.960 the same wayang. They would separate and go their separate 216 00:09:58.000 --> 00:10:01.360 ways in twenty fourteen, only four years after their wedding. 217 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:04.639 Oh okay, so they did, so they got married. Four 218 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:05.879 years later they divorced. 219 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:10.360 Correct. Okay, so now single and on her own for 220 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:12.759 the first time as an adult. And by like on 221 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:14.840 her own, I mean like as a single adult on 222 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:17.919 her own, you know, not a partner to be dependent on. 223 00:10:18.799 --> 00:10:21.679 So Michelle was not too eager to jump into the 224 00:10:21.720 --> 00:10:24.440 world of dating. She had been with the same partner 225 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:26.480 for years, and in fact, he was the only one 226 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:29.480 that she'd ever dated, so the idea of starting at 227 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:33.000 the beginning wasn't a fantastic thought, and rightfully so, I 228 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:35.120 can't blame her. Oh yeah, if we were to just 229 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:37.320 split right now, I wouldn't even know what the fuck. 230 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:38.639 It would be very daunting. 231 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:41.639 Oh yeah, I'd be at the super market being like, 232 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.039 hi there, wow, I see you have eggs in your basket. 233 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:49.080 You know that's not how you chat at home. You're like, oh, 234 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:52.039 I would just get so many chicks, like all the time. 235 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:54.679 Yeah, eggs in the basket. Chicks. 236 00:10:56.360 --> 00:10:59.320 You so much confidence. So it's funny hearing you speak 237 00:10:59.399 --> 00:10:59.759 like this. 238 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.480 I probably I have false confidence. I like to think 239 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:07.039 i'd be fantastic, but in reality situation, I'm sure I wouldn't. 240 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:08.440 Okay, well, I'm glad that I was right. 241 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:11.399 And I was like, you know, no, the podcast is over, 242 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:16.679 I'll tell you how awesome I do. But yeah, reality 243 00:11:16.840 --> 00:11:19.720 is Though, Michelle wasn't like too fond of the idea 244 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:21.960 going out there talking to people. I can understand, I 245 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:22.480 wouldn't be. 246 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:24.360 Fond of it, No, I completely understand. 247 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:28.799 Yeah. So instead she found herself focusing on her career. 248 00:11:29.200 --> 00:11:32.519 She worked at a job as a marketing support manager 249 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:36.240 for an insurance company. Now Here she would dedicate nearly 250 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.039 all her time and energy, and she would at times 251 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:44.240 even clock seventy hours a week. Yeah, which left absolutely 252 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:46.559 zero time for dating, even if she did want to. 253 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:50.279 Okay, that's actually like not healthy though, that's a terrible 254 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:52.159 work life balance exactly. 255 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:54.679 But I mean I understand if someone's enjoying it and 256 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.919 if someone is working forward something, So no hate on it. 257 00:11:57.960 --> 00:11:58.919 But that's a lot. 258 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:01.720 Yeah, I mean, when you own your own business like 259 00:12:01.960 --> 00:12:04.200 I do, I probably actually clock that many hours some 260 00:12:04.320 --> 00:12:07.080 weeks for sure, probably, so who might as talk. 261 00:12:07.360 --> 00:12:10.879 Yeah. Now, the funny thing is, though the world has 262 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:14.440 an interesting way of working. Sometimes now you try and 263 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:17.000 turn to blind eye and not seek something out, so 264 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:21.879 sometimes instead that thing often comes looking for you. So 265 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:23.960 it wasn't even a year later when Michelle will be 266 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.559 at a Starbucks grabbing a coffee on her break when 267 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:29.559 she would catch the eye of someone. Now the ma'am 268 00:12:29.879 --> 00:12:33.200 was Ian Diaz. He was struck by her beauty, and 269 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:37.159 he introduced himself, and against Michelle's thoughts on dating, she 270 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:40.480 found herself dropping her guard and being wrapped up in 271 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:43.559 this guy as he kind of spoke to her. He 272 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.399 was quite charming, sweet, and he was a US marshal 273 00:12:46.440 --> 00:12:49.120 at that and before she knew it, she found herself 274 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:51.759 giving him her phone number so they could keep in 275 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:55.679 touch and see each other again. Look at that, and 276 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:58.519 so they did. They saw each other again, and then 277 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:01.720 they were head over here eels. In fact, it was 278 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:04.279 moving pretty fast, and it was only two dates later 279 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:08.639 that Ian would say those three powerful words, I love you. 280 00:13:08.759 --> 00:13:11.600 Holy shit. Okay there I was like thinking, is there 281 00:13:11.600 --> 00:13:13.840 are you dropping a bomb? Is it some other three words? 282 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:16.600 But really yeah, he said, I lost quick only two 283 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:19.360 dates later. Sometimes you know, you know, maybe yeah, And 284 00:13:19.399 --> 00:13:21.000 I mean she felt the same way. She said, it 285 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.679 seemed like so so right, it seemed to just fit. 286 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:26.279 And this was like there were two puzzle pieces, like 287 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:28.200 nothing felt wrong about it. 288 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:29.200 So I mean, good for that. 289 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:30.200 Yeah. 290 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:32.480 And it was spring of twenty fourteen when the two 291 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:35.600 moved in together, and this is when Michelle would realize 292 00:13:36.279 --> 00:13:38.440 just who Ian really was. 293 00:13:38.519 --> 00:13:40.279 Shit, So is he a terrible person? 294 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:44.200 Well, we'll get into it. And I mean, at first, 295 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:47.240 things weren't like. At first, things weren't too bad. Ian 296 00:13:47.480 --> 00:13:49.840 did have a very controlling side, though, and he would 297 00:13:49.840 --> 00:13:53.440 begin showing it more and more. He started trying to 298 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:56.879 tell her how he wanted her to dress and present herself. 299 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:01.440 He wanted her to be more sexy. Oh wow, which 300 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:03.679 I mean in itself isn't too harmful if it's a 301 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:08.159 conversation between two consenting people exploring their sexuality together, being like, hey, 302 00:14:08.240 --> 00:14:11.120 you should wear that, like that outfit that I really 303 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:12.320 like to dinner tonight, like that. 304 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:14.600 There's nothing wrong with that, right, There are I think 305 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:17.039 circumstances where that can be totally fine. 306 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:18.679 Yeah, but boundaries. 307 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:21.320 But then if she wants to wear something else, like, 308 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:23.360 she can fucking wear something else exactly. 309 00:14:23.480 --> 00:14:27.159 So yeah, but in this case it was very one sided. 310 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:29.399 He was very much so like, yeah, you should, you 311 00:14:29.440 --> 00:14:31.679 should do this, you should do that. Like he he 312 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:34.159 had ideas of wanting to wear crop tops all the time. 313 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:36.840 He wanted her to put on more makeup, he wanted 314 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:39.440 to do like carlic nails, he wanted oh wow. He 315 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.519 was even pressuring her to pierce her belly button. 316 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:44.039 Okay, I don't love any of this at all. 317 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:49.559 No, which again Devil's advocate, I was pressuring you to 318 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:51.200 pierce your nose recently. 319 00:14:51.559 --> 00:14:55.039 Yeah, but honestly that you had You've been wanting me 320 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:56.120 to forever. 321 00:14:56.240 --> 00:14:57.720 Only because you wanted to. 322 00:14:57.840 --> 00:14:59.480 Well, yeah, because I have mentioned it and lots of 323 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:01.320 times and like, I'm what, I want to do it 324 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:01.720 so fun. 325 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:04.240 Yeah, but that's the thing I was fucking off right. 326 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:04.960 Yeah. 327 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:07.240 I would bring it up like every few months, being like, hey, 328 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.440 you ever pierce your nose? And you'd be like yeah, 329 00:15:09.480 --> 00:15:10.840 one day and be like, Okay, I think you should 330 00:15:10.840 --> 00:15:12.679 do it soon. Yeah, And that's about the extent. 331 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:14.000 And then I did it when I wanted to do 332 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:14.799 it exactly. 333 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:17.200 No, He's like, I want you to pierce she belly 334 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:18.840 Oh my god, here's she belly button. 335 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:22.159 Honestly, let's go now. That just like makes me so uncomfortable. 336 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:24.840 Yeah. He was really trying to push this. He clearly 337 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:29.840 had alter like what's the word, I'm looking for ulterior motives. 338 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:31.279 He had an agenda sort of thing. 339 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:34.519 He was trying to create something that she wasn't. 340 00:15:34.480 --> 00:15:36.600 Exactly and all of that sort of stuff he's trying 341 00:15:36.600 --> 00:15:39.360 to create was exactly against the very nature of who 342 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:40.240 Michelle was. 343 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:41.159 Oh boy. 344 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:45.200 He would manage to convince her of many things over 345 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:47.879 the course of their relationship, one of which was to 346 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:50.360 leave her current job where she put in all these hours. 347 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:54.320 He convinced her to leave her job and start a 348 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:58.559 marketing position at Disneyland, which is a place that's fun. 349 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:01.440 It is and it's a place said he previously worked at, 350 00:16:01.600 --> 00:16:04.399 and he knew many people who were still employed there. 351 00:16:05.080 --> 00:16:08.240 So in this position, Michelle would take a twenty thousand 352 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:10.159 dollars pay cut oh annually. 353 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:11.480 That's substantial. 354 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.200 And in this position she would also be under the 355 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:17.120 watchful eye of many people who could report back to Ian. 356 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:20.720 Oh okay, I kind kind of wondering if that's where 357 00:16:20.720 --> 00:16:21.200 that was going. 358 00:16:21.320 --> 00:16:22.759 That's definitely where that was going. 359 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:23.480 Holy shit. 360 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:27.600 So he had her right where he wanted her. She 361 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:30.840 was dependent on him now with the pay cut, she 362 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.480 was always under his watch. They were living together, and 363 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:36.440 she was beginning to get her to do more and 364 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:37.639 more things that he wanted. 365 00:16:38.039 --> 00:16:40.720 Gosh, okay, I'm like all hot and bothered here, not 366 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:44.279 a good way I do not. She clarified that I 367 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:46.320 do not like what's going on here at all. 368 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:50.080 Well, their relationship, though it was not the best in 369 00:16:50.159 --> 00:16:52.720 Michelle's eyes, it was still one worth being a part of. 370 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:54.720 It wasn't getting terrible. 371 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:56.039 Yet she still loved him. 372 00:16:56.120 --> 00:16:58.440 She still loved him. Most of these things were just 373 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:02.000 minor red flags at this point. He's not like forcing 374 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:04.200 her to wear crop tops. He's not forcing her to 375 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.960 get the belly button. It's just a lot of pressure on. Okay, 376 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:09.200 you know, he's putting a lot of pressure, and it's 377 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:11.440 starting to get more and more. But she still does 378 00:17:11.519 --> 00:17:15.119 love him, and she still wasn't aware of all the manipulation, 379 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.559 necessarily to a degree. But even still she would be 380 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:23.559 blind blinded by the love for him, right, and even 381 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:27.200 more so when he proposed to her under the iconic 382 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:30.160 Christmas tree in New York City Rockefeller Center. 383 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.279 Shit, I mean gosh, I feel like someone will propose 384 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:35.880 to me that way now, and I'd say yes, thanks. 385 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:38.000 You should remember you're married. 386 00:17:38.559 --> 00:17:42.559 That's just the most iconic thing you can do, right. 387 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:45.839 Yeah. No, He literally bought her plane tickets, flew her 388 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:49.000 there for her birthday, and proposed to her under the 389 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:50.559 Christmas tree right there. 390 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:52.240 Oh my god, Okay, well, I kind of do. 391 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:57.400 Really like that, and she of course said that yes. Now, 392 00:17:57.480 --> 00:18:01.039 this again was another turning point in the relaflationship. It 393 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:04.359 was no longer just asking and convincing her to dress sexier. 394 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:08.000 Ian wanted his new fiance to have sex with other 395 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:13.160 men and to let him watch. Okay, again, Devil's advocate. 396 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:16.599 If all parties are consenting, there's no harm harm in. 397 00:18:16.559 --> 00:18:18.759 This, right, If she's into that as well, yeah, I. 398 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:22.160 Mean, like whatever floats your boat. The only problem is Michelle. 399 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:25.119 As previously mentioned, was it about Christian and the whole 400 00:18:25.720 --> 00:18:28.359 cuckhold situation, because that's the definition of this, you know, 401 00:18:28.440 --> 00:18:30.480