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Pw torch dot com slash 27 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:26.799 go VIP. 28 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:39.760 All right, everybody, welcome back to this week's brand new 29 00:01:39.799 --> 00:01:43.200 episode of Worship Better. We have Stephanie Chase back in 30 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:45.840 the house, back on the mike. Stephanie, welcome back. 31 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:49.920 Thank you. I'm sorry. I've been mia for for two weeks. 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:53.599 I think so apologies as just having me. God, I 33 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:55.439 was just having one of those months. But you know 34 00:01:56.159 --> 00:01:58.680 we're getting into August, n so I feel a lot better. 35 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:01.040 Good good see. I'd rather you feel better and be 36 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:03.799 on the podcast, and feel bad and not be on 37 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:06.680 the podcast. The good combination for me. So yeah, So 38 00:02:06.719 --> 00:02:09.199 I'm excited to get you back today. And for anybody 39 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:11.199 that doesn't know, this show, Worse or Better is where 40 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:13.639 Stephanie and I take a look at a wrestling topic 41 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.520 and kind of compare it to its past and see 42 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:18.800 whether or not the current iteration is as you may 43 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:21.960 if you asked, worse or better. Today we are talking 44 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:26.360 AW pay per views, which is a particularly relevant topic 45 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:31.080 because we are one reeker moved from AW Redemption. Stephanie, 46 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:34.439 did you purchase Redemption and watch it for six hours? 47 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:38.360 No? Yeah, I was going to say that Initially, if 48 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:43.039 I hadn't gone Mia, we would have recorded this pre redemption, 49 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:47.439 but I think it's best recording it post redemption to 50 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:51.039 add to it. I think this will only add to 51 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:54.479 our discussion. But no, Tony Kaan did not get my 52 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:55.520 money for Redemption. 53 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:58.240 Yeah. No, leading into it, I had planned when we 54 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:00.800 recorded this episode two weeks ago to'd be like, yeah, 55 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:02.879 this pay per view does not need to exist, and 56 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:05.719 they only proved that with the actual pay per view. 57 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:09.039 I know, I know, I know we'll get to that 58 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:10.400 Redemption will have its movement. 59 00:03:10.800 --> 00:03:13.479 It will, and hopefully one day it'll even have its redemption. 60 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:18.000 But for now, if we're gonna be talking aew pay 61 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.439 per views, I guess we should start out just kind 62 00:03:20.439 --> 00:03:23.319 of we're in SummerSlam era, which is why we were 63 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:26.879 talking about SummerSlam a couple of weeks back. So Summerslam's 64 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:29.560 like the number two pay per view for WW obviously, 65 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:31.840 and wrestle Media is the number one. But my question 66 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:35.960 to you, Stephanie is what do you feel is aw's 67 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:39.520 big pay per view like their WrestleMania, which is a 68 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:40.319 phrase people use. 69 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:44.639 So I think it's double or nothing, right. 70 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.199 I think it's because it's like the original. 71 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:50.840 I see that, yeah, because it's original. But I think 72 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:56.680 a problem that we will encounter with AW AW pay 73 00:03:56.680 --> 00:04:00.639 per views and Tony Kahan is him being a man 74 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:05.879 of habit right that likes to mark occasions and name things, 75 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:08.919 and he's very married to certain dates and places and stuff. 76 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:13.360 So to me, with double or Nothing being the first one, 77 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.600 I certainly would have said in the first you know, 78 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:21.120 four or five years of AW, that that is their WrestleMania. 79 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:25.360 But the problem of constantly holding it in Las Vegas 80 00:04:27.160 --> 00:04:30.879 is like, it's not good. You know, it's not good. 81 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:34.040 I don't think you necessarily need to do a gambling 82 00:04:34.120 --> 00:04:38.279 theme in Las Vegas. You know, now who happens all over? 83 00:04:39.920 --> 00:04:44.279 I think now it seems like it's all in, but 84 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:50.079 that being placed in Wembley, you know constantly as well, 85 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:54.519 I don't actually think there's a definitive answer because they 86 00:04:55.000 --> 00:05:00.399 don't follow the WWE model of moving events know as 87 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:05.439 much and like drawing people making it a destination in 88 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:08.720 that way, it's very odd, like as we'll probably come 89 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:11.160 to when we discuss the pay per views. I've been 90 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:13.800 to so many aw pay per views, but I don't 91 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:17.600 feel like I've been to that many different American cities once. 92 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:21.439 Tony is like so consistent and where he holds them. 93 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:26.720 So yeah, I think to me, it's double or nothing. 94 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.759 But I know he's pushing all In as being the 95 00:05:30.800 --> 00:05:33.639 one and all In obviously has a connection to the 96 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:37.600 original all In that spawned AUW. We've talked about that before. 97 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.040 But you know, having like your biggest pay per view 98 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:45.040 of the year should not be this big event that 99 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:47.639 you like, they're an American company, right, so it shouldn't 100 00:05:47.639 --> 00:05:51.600 be this huge event that you hold in another country 101 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:55.560 in that country like one of their biggest stadiums. It 102 00:05:55.680 --> 00:05:59.759 should be an event that moves around America and you 103 00:05:59.759 --> 00:06:03.720 can it overseas, like so move around America, Europe or whatever, 104 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.519 and like that's the destination for everyone, is this event. 105 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:09.920 But I don't know, what do you think is the biggest. 106 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:11.759 Here's the thing Steffia I asked that question. I'm like, 107 00:06:11.879 --> 00:06:13.560 this is a stupid question. She's just going to say 108 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:15.839 all in because that is what I think. So I'm like, 109 00:06:15.879 --> 00:06:17.519 so that's what she's going to say. So if I 110 00:06:17.519 --> 00:06:19.560 sounded surprised when you said double or nothing, is because 111 00:06:19.560 --> 00:06:21.920 I was surprised when you said double or nothing. But 112 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:24.480 I do understand that because it is the original. And 113 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:27.600 it is funny that they keep going to back to 114 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:30.040 Las Vegas with that. Ww went back to back to 115 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:34.160 Las Vegas for WrestleMania's and they saw diminishing returns immediately, 116 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:37.680 and it's it's just odd that w AW just like 117 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.399 they feel like like every all out is always in Chicago, 118 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:44.319 like they have burnt Chicago out, like pay per views 119 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:47.160 what everything. They are there all the time, like you 120 00:06:47.199 --> 00:06:50.759 know where all out is this your stuff? It's in Chicago, see. 121 00:06:50.639 --> 00:06:53.160 From like just with the double and nothing like. So 122 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:56.279 I went to the one in twenty twenty two. So 123 00:06:56.360 --> 00:06:59.839 that did fourteen, four hundred and fifty nine and Ben 124 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.720 Oh and I went and I had a press ticket 125 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:07.759 and we were struggling to get him a ticket because 126 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:10.560 it was sold out, you know, And we eventually got 127 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:13.480 him one and if you go a year later, I 128 00:07:13.519 --> 00:07:16.120 went by myself, battle didn't go with me and they 129 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:22.360 only did ten, five hundred and fifty right, And it's like, yeah, I. 130 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:25.079 Wonder what right part of that is? Going back to the 131 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:27.360 next year again asked ww and their biggest show the 132 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:29.199 year of how that goes? And part of that is 133 00:07:29.240 --> 00:07:32.120 like that was like twenty twenty three. The let's face it, 134 00:07:32.160 --> 00:07:34.120 the trajectory of the company was kind of on a 135 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:37.680 downswing through that period. But to get back to the 136 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:39.720 actual question you asked, I would say all in, but 137 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:42.399 it's weird to say all in because we didn't have 138 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:46.079 all in until twenty twenty three. Anyway, that's the first 139 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.160 all in, So I feel like they do want it 140 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:50.240 to be that now. But again, like you said, they 141 00:07:50.319 --> 00:07:53.079 keep going back to Wimbley, and they were in Texas 142 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:55.600 last year, but it sold less than even this year's 143 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:58.519 disappointing sales for Wimbley. So I do feel like all 144 00:07:58.560 --> 00:08:01.639 in is where they try to do like big, big matches. 145 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:03.519 So I feel like that is at least what they do. 146 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:06.079 Even though well I will give aw paper credits this, 147 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:09.160 they don't. They usually deliver at least one or two. 148 00:08:09.240 --> 00:08:10.879 Like what I can said, like big matches, like they 149 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:13.120 don't save them. They don't, they don't have like a 150 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.879 good match in October and then save it till you know, 151 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:18.879 all In in the summer. Usually they'll usually go ahead 152 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:20.680 and run with it if they have it. WW on 153 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:22.600 the other hand, will be known to hold off, like 154 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:24.920 I don't know, Opa Femi and Roman reigns for a 155 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:28.040 year because you've got to get it to WrestleMania. So 156 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:30.519 I don't think they have WrestleMania at all in that way. 157 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:35.480 It's funny, like they all in Texas. I've almost completely 158 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.240 forgotten about that, but now I've been properly remembered of 159 00:08:39.279 --> 00:08:43.879 his existence, and I think if they had done more 160 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:47.879 all ins in different places, in different big places like that, 161 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:50.879 it would work a lot better. But I remember before 162 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.000 that all In in Texas them doing like this Texas 163 00:08:54.080 --> 00:08:58.279 press conference or something. Oh yeah, I remember that, and 164 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:01.320 I was just like, oh, you know, I felt like 165 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:03.120 I was a mean girls, like stop trying to make 166 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:06.399 all In happen. But it was just funny like that, 167 00:09:06.840 --> 00:09:10.039 like after it came out of Wembley that which the 168 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:14.039 first Wembley. I did think they did a dreadful job 169 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:18.279 of promoting, like absolutely dreadful, and they still sold so 170 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:20.600 many tickets because it was so unique. And then to 171 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:23.120 see them like when they go to Texas, thing like 172 00:09:23.639 --> 00:09:26.240 let's put on this big you know, effort like at 173 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:29.799 the beginning, which I still don't even think led to 174 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:32.919 it being seen as big a show as they wanted 175 00:09:32.960 --> 00:09:36.240 it to. But maybe it's just maybe it just doesn't 176 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:41.120 have a WrestleMania yet. But yeah, I don't know. I 177 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:43.440 do think they are now pushing it being all in. 178 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:45.639 Yeah, I think that at this point that's what they 179 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:47.759 wanted to be. But like I said, they've only had it. 180 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:50.399 This is the fourth one, so it's kind of hard 181 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:52.200 to say that's your WrestleMania when you've been around for 182 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:55.600 seven years, so has they've been around half the time, 183 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:59.679 so Stephanie, as you know, in the beginning AEW twenty nineteen, 184 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:03.240 they had the four pay per views, which mister Tony 185 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:06.120 Kahan described as the Big four, which is kind of 186 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:09.639 funny because you know, WW has their Big four pay 187 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:11.720 per views which are kind of spread out across the calendar, 188 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:14.360 and then AW had their Big four, which is funny 189 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:16.639 that he called them that, But those originally those were 190 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:18.240 the only four pay per views. 191 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:25.200 Yeah, yeah, so Double or Nothing, all Full Gear and 192 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:26.960 Revolution right. 193 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:29.919 Right, and out of those four, I feel like maybe 194 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:32.440 Revolution is the WrestleMania, But I think that's just because 195 00:10:32.440 --> 00:10:33.879 I think that because that one in the Spring is 196 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:34.679 probably why I think that. 197 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.799 Well, yeah, so Revolution it actually starts in twenty twenty 198 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:44.120 because twenty nineteen they start with Double or Nothing in 199 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:49.519 the May, and that first Revolution, which was guests were 200 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:56.240 in Chicago, Shock Shocking, that ends up being their last 201 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:01.639 show before the pandemic. Oh right, so a great way 202 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:06.080 to to like kill the momentum of that. But I 203 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:10.840 really like looking at their early calendar, Like I really 204 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:14.120 like it because yeah, you know, calling them the Big 205 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:17.440 four and them only having four like is stupid, but 206 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:21.559 I think that how well they were spaced out meant 207 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:24.360 they all seemed like a big deal. Do you think 208 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:29.440 Full Gear will always be one of the absolute strandes 209 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:32.080 pay per view names? Do you remember of the fill 210 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:32.639 Gear name? 211 00:11:33.480 --> 00:11:36.120 I actually do now. I don't think they reckon do 212 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:39.080 it all. But this was like a BT joke about 213 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:43.279 being wearing like your full gear like and places. 214 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:45.360 Pack turned up at the first press conference. 215 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:48.919 Yeah, well, that's how I always picture a pack one 216 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:51.960 hundreds of the time is in trunks and just covered 217 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:53.720 in baby oil. That's how I picture pack. 218 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:59.279 But on BT, I'm pretty sure Hangman Page was going 219 00:11:59.360 --> 00:12:01.519 to like body image issues right. 220 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:04.000 Well when he started, he just wore trunks and now 221 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:04.919 he's in pants. 222 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.440 Yeah, so there was some kind of like body image 223 00:12:08.480 --> 00:12:11.960 issue stuff going on with Hangman Page, and this led 224 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:15.440 to him saying to Pack like, I'll be there, like 225 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:18.840 you know, full gear, like I'll take my shut off 226 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.240 and be in my gear or whatever. But it has 227 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:25.120 it has some kind of like weird origin that verges 228 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:27.679 on the on the problematic because of the they hang 229 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:31.440 on Page stuff. But now they like they make you 230 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:34.919 think it's like a kind of a steampunk thing with cogs, 231 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:36.000 you know, like that. 232 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:40.320 Whole they act like full gear is just like an 233 00:12:40.320 --> 00:12:43.639 accepted phrase that's related to like machinery that people use. 234 00:12:44.240 --> 00:12:47.960 It's not, it's not at all. But I just wanted 235 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:50.279 to bring that up because I think the other names 236 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:54.960 double or nothing, all out and revolution are are are fine, 237 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:59.000 but full gear is always the one where it's like, 238 00:12:59.080 --> 00:13:00.519 why didn't you change that? 239 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:03.919 Right? It makes no sense, Like if it was a 240 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.799 BT pay per view, sure, but yeah, and yeah, they're 241 00:13:07.840 --> 00:13:09.320 just rolling with it like it's a real thing. 242 00:13:09.799 --> 00:13:12.559 I think, like, what when you're looking back at the 243 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:16.559 time when it was only four, you do have like 244 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:20.200 the you have these great memories. I certainly do of 245 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.759 watching like these pay per views when they were on 246 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.879 like double or nothing was something I was super excited 247 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:28.480 for to watch. I remember just sitting watching that and 248 00:13:28.519 --> 00:13:32.960 not even like moving for the whole time. And then 249 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:35.399 I don't really count the Fighter Fast and Fight for 250 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:36.879 the Fallen stuff. 251 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:39.440 Nor should you, as they were free and sparsely attended. 252 00:13:39.440 --> 00:13:44.080 Although I was at Fight for the Fallen my first 253 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:46.879 I it was awkward. It was a weird show, like 254 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.639 it was very poorly put together. The production was bad. 255 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:53.039 It was not very memorable. I just remember being there. 256 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:54.639 I don't remember anything else about the show. 257 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.080 I'm not surprised that they had bad production, et cetera, 258 00:13:58.279 --> 00:14:02.919 et cetera. God does plague them still at times. Still, Yeah, 259 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.799 and the first you know, like the first all out, 260 00:14:06.080 --> 00:14:10.200 having the first championship match and everything like that, and 261 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:13.320 then and Full Gear too. But you know, it was 262 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:17.679 a really fun time and the promotion felt extremely hot 263 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:20.799 and we end up, you know, when we go through 264 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:25.360 the pandemic, they still like thankfully in twenty twenty, they 265 00:14:25.799 --> 00:14:28.200 they don't add anything, but they had to go through 266 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:33.519 these like zero attendant shows or just having wrestlers in 267 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:36.279 the audience and whatnot. 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Go to Patreon and 290 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:46.639 start your seven day free trial. 291 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.559 You have to give I don't know, they don't give 292 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:51.840 much credit for this, but you have to give them 293 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:54.159 a lot of credit. They've been around for about a 294 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:57.360 year when they lose all their fans, and up to 295 00:15:57.399 --> 00:15:59.840 this point, I would say the fans were like the 296 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:03.240 MVP of the aw experience. They showed up for every show. 297 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:05.240 They were loud, they were into the product, and mean 298 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:07.600 it seemed like some stuff seemed like a bigger deal 299 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:10.360 than it actually was. Like losing the fans and being 300 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:14.159 able to transition into something that wasn't horrible was a win. 301 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:16.799 I would say, Yeah, it was really really good. And 302 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:20.799 I think for me being a fan at home, that 303 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:23.200 was sad that I didn't have a chance of attending 304 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.480 any of these you know events, with everything travel bands 305 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.919 and all that. They really gave me something to look 306 00:16:29.960 --> 00:16:32.840 forward to, you know, sitting watching them. I think a 307 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:34.840 lot of time me and Banno would watch them like 308 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:37.279 on zoom, you know, like both watching them at the 309 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:41.600 same time. Like I remember when Matt Hardy nearly died. 310 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:44.919 Oh yeah, yep, that was a classic memory. 311 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:49.639 That's a clo classic memory that I'll have forever. But 312 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:56.679 that era of AW really even if you add in 313 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:59.320 like the weirdness of the pandemic, but if the pandemic 314 00:16:59.360 --> 00:17:02.919 didn't exist, and those AW shows were like just how 315 00:17:02.919 --> 00:17:07.359 they were, there was a certain magic about it and 316 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:12.359 they were so memorable and it was just a nice 317 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:16.200 little you know, four shows a year. That's cool. And 318 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:20.319 yeah twenty twenty one, they keep that they get fans 319 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:25.440 back for double or nothing, but it's just at Daily's Place, right, 320 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:26.279 That's another one. 321 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:28.559 I was present for that, and I was so excited 322 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:30.279 to be back at a wrestling show. It was like 323 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.680 I remember, for some reason, Wade played the like a 324 00:17:33.720 --> 00:17:35.519 replay of the post show for that like a couple 325 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.359 of weeks ago, and like it was like gushing, just 326 00:17:38.359 --> 00:17:41.039 like everybody was so happy that like live wrestling was 327 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:43.519 back like I don't remember if the show was that good. 328 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:47.359 I remember Saber who was left standing tall at the 329 00:17:47.440 --> 00:17:48.079 end of the show. 330 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:51.279 See, no, I do not. I remember that's where Britt 331 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:53.039 Baker won the title. I remember that it. 332 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:55.480 Was Sammy Gabbar because the Inner Circle won. 333 00:17:55.559 --> 00:18:01.119 But like you're right, Oh my god, what Yeah, no, 334 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:04.519 you're right because they factored in the stadium stampede thing last. Yeah, 335 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:08.079 it's so funny. Yeah. This is also where Cody was 336 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:10.640 the remember when he was feuding with Anti Nagogo and 337 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:13.000 he had to be like the real American against the 338 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:16.359 evil foreign heel Anthony A. Gogo who hadn't done anything 339 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:17.880 before it hasn't done anything since. 340 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:22.319 That is like that, that's amazing that you were there. 341 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:26.400 I witnessed that. I also saw Brian Cage and like 342 00:18:26.440 --> 00:18:29.480 the worst fake plastic terminator outfit that came out. It 343 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:32.839 was like broad Daylight. It was so bad. It was 344 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:34.759 not a good show. Actually I remember it fondly, but 345 00:18:34.799 --> 00:18:35.400 it was not good. 346 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:38.720 I think that, like some of the there is some 347 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:44.160 really bad stuff in early AW but it has it's 348 00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:49.119 almost like that the kind of like early early Attitude era. 349 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:51.839 Still at the end of like New Generation stuff where 350 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:55.160 like there is this stuff that is just objectively shit, 351 00:18:55.599 --> 00:18:58.119 but like it's kind of fun too. It's not like 352 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:02.240 a like a fencely bad. You know, like there's something 353 00:19:02.240 --> 00:19:04.880 about it where you're like, oh, you're trying. But that 354 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:09.880 Cody and a Go Go feud like that that should 355 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:14.279 haunt Cody Rhoads forever, and. 356 00:19:14.079 --> 00:19:17.160 It kind of did. For aw he starts sliding downhill 357 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:18.640 like during and after this era. 358 00:19:18.880 --> 00:19:22.200 I ended up watching a you know what, it might 359 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:25.440 have been the next pay per view, so all Out 360 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:26.640 the next pay per view. 361 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:29.200 Right in Chicago. As you might be surprise learned. 362 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:32.680 Yes we're still talking double or nothing, but all Out. 363 00:19:32.920 --> 00:19:35.599 I watched that pay per view in a bar sat 364 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:37.720 with ANTHONYA Gogo. 365 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:44.039 Why why this makes no sense? 366 00:19:45.240 --> 00:19:48.920 I was hosting a watch party for the event in 367 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:56.119 London and someone there knew ANTHONYA Gogo who was in London, 368 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:59.839 and like text him do you want to come w 369 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:05.240 all Out at this bar? And he said yes, And 370 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:10.000 then the guy who ran the event was like, oh 371 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:13.000 my god, ANTHONYA Gogo is coming and he he's like, 372 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:16.720 when ANTHONYA Gogo comes in, get him on stage. And 373 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:19.440 I was like sure, So Anthony A. Gogo walks in 374 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:21.359 and I like bring him on stage, and I just 375 00:20:21.400 --> 00:20:24.200 started like asking him questions on the fly about like 376 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.240 what what do you think's going to happen and whatever 377 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:34.799 and yeah. So during that, like he I remember him 378 00:20:34.839 --> 00:20:37.839 saying that because you remember Big Show did the. 379 00:20:37.759 --> 00:20:42.039 Way in yes, saying yes, I remember that that was 380 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:42.599 also bad. 381 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:48.240 Yeah, so he said something like that Big Show didn't 382 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:52.559 like him because Big Show misheard something that he said 383 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.960 in his English accent, and I think Big Show thought 384 00:20:56.039 --> 00:21:00.839 that he'd called that he called him the sea word 385 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:04.160 and he hadn't, or something like that. 386 00:21:04.359 --> 00:21:06.759 It does be fair if somebody from England calls me 387 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:09.200 the sea word. I can't take offense to that, like 388 00:21:09.200 --> 00:21:11.680 I could if like my next door neighbor called me 389 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:14.519 the sea word. It's just I feel like built in. 390 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:17.440 I think what it was was like he'd he called 391 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:21.519 him a yank or something in the promo, but like 392 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:23.160 that's not what Big Show hard, but it was like 393 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:27.519 something like that. But anyway, Anthony Gogo is super nice guy. 394 00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:29.799 I think I met him like two more times after 395 00:21:29.839 --> 00:21:33.079 this when he was he he came to see WEV 396 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:36.000 Pro once and he's a lovely he's a lovely guy, 397 00:21:36.319 --> 00:21:41.559 but would definitely love to get his complete uncensored thoughts 398 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:46.720 on this feud with Cody, because there was so much, 399 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:51.000 so much weirdness in it, even that like when Cody 400 00:21:51.680 --> 00:21:56.240 like put a weird racial layer onto it and it's 401 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:01.720 like he didn't realize like a Go Go is blag. 402 00:22:05.079 --> 00:22:08.039 It was just all so bizarre. And then when they 403 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:10.839 I think when they showed it on the aw like 404 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:13.319 reality show, like Tony was so mad about how the 405 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:16.119 weighan went and everything. This was just it was just 406 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:19.200 one of the most ill conceived feuds I've ever seen. 407 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:22.680 It was truly bad. And you know what you say, 408 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:24.359 Go Go's nast dude, I bet he is. He I 409 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:25.759 liked him. I thought he had a good look in 410 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:28.559 interesting kind of style. But it kind of gives you 411 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:30.960 an idea of what happened when he was fighting Cody 412 00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:33.680 at double or Nothing, and like three months later all 413 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:36.400 out he was at a watch party watching it from London, 414 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:39.359 So that was kind of, unfortunately the tippy top of 415 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:39.880 his career. 416 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:42.440 I think I think you could have done a lot 417 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:45.759 more with a Go Go, like I really do, and 418 00:22:45.799 --> 00:22:49.119 it just like it just it just didn't work out, 419 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:52.039 you know, like a tawn and he has a level 420 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:55.799 of fame in the UK. And I would say like 421 00:22:55.920 --> 00:23:00.440 three different times in my day job, which is working 422 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:03.440 on an entertainment website, that I have had to write 423 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:07.519 about Anthony Agogo being on a reality show. He's been 424 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:10.200 on a show that I can't even describe, but it's 425 00:23:10.279 --> 00:23:13.880 like you go through you know, like sas training, you know, 426 00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:18.680 military training, like as a celebrity and they like torture 427 00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:22.480 you and stuff and this is like reality TV. Like seriously, 428 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:24.559 he's been on like one of those shows and a 429 00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:28.599 couple of others, and he is I have never had 430 00:23:28.599 --> 00:23:30.680 to write an article about him or had to edit 431 00:23:30.799 --> 00:23:33.519 or correct an article about him that ever mentions that 432 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:38.039 he's in AAW like they always call him like ex boxer. 433 00:23:38.240 --> 00:23:42.519 And he also did the the British version of Dancing 434 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:45.680 with the Stars, so they'll mention that too, and that 435 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:49.680 was long before AW. But he's never presented in these 436 00:23:49.720 --> 00:23:51.640 shows as a pro wrestler. 437 00:23:52.119 --> 00:23:53.880 We didn't really talk about that much when he did 438 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:56.000 Our Celebrities episode. But they have never been very good 439 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:00.279 at capitalizing on people associated with their company that could 440 00:24:00.039 --> 00:24:03.079 would be used like Anthony Gogo. People apparently know who 441 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:05.400 he is. He's not a big deal over here, I'll 442 00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.279 be honest with you. In fact, he's probably best known 443 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:10.160 for being an aaw in America, but which is unfortunate. 444 00:24:10.680 --> 00:24:14.599 I can't believe we had a huge Afterdea Go Go side. 445 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:19.480 But yes, you were at Double or Nothing when the 446 00:24:19.519 --> 00:24:21.039 fans came back, you were one of them. 447 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:24.000 I just want to add Anthony Gogo is still technically 448 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:27.039 on the roster. It's on the roster page and apparently 449 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:29.079 a member of Shane Taylor Promotions, which means he might 450 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:30.319 be wrestling our age for all I know. 451 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:32.400 Wow, Well, you know, good luck. 452 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:34.880 To so the pandemic. We're kind of what we were 453 00:24:34.880 --> 00:24:37.880 talking about. And it's crazy when we come out of 454 00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:39.920 the pandemic into twenty twenty one, we still have the 455 00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:42.079 four pay per views. This is good. I feel like 456 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:45.119 this twenty twenty one run, like I said, Double or Nothing, 457 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.279 was kind of a celebration of the return of wrestling 458 00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:49.119 and then all out. I feel like this was a 459 00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:51.359 really good run. These were like all four shows this 460 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:53.519 year were like solid and well received, like they were 461 00:24:53.559 --> 00:24:55.119 on an upswing coming out of the pandemic. 462 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:58.839 Yeah, so you get All at which I watched with 463 00:24:58.880 --> 00:25:03.400 Anthony at Gogo. CM Punk's first match that CM Punk 464 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:10.640 versus Darby Allen fill Gear Minneapolis, Minnesota. I was this 465 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:14.400 was when I think it was in mid September that 466 00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:18.440 President Biden announced the travel band would be lifted, and 467 00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:23.480 I booked my flights like immediately, yeah, like immediately, And 468 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:26.519 I mean that that was an incredible experience for me 469 00:25:26.599 --> 00:25:29.519 because like, like you were saying, with double or nothing, like, 470 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:33.839 I was so happy to be in Minnesota for this 471 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:37.200 pay per view, Like I really think I have still 472 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:40.240 never had a happier moment in my life than when 473 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:42.920 I arrived at my hotel in Minnesota, because I just 474 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:47.799 never thought I would make it after like two years 475 00:25:46.799 --> 00:25:51.680 from Oh my God, it was awful and this I 476 00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:57.359 met Wade at the show, and I met like a 477 00:25:57.359 --> 00:25:59.960 lot of other people that i'd you know, seen online 478 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:02.519 and stuff like that that you have finally seen in 479 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:05.880 the flash. But this is the show where Hangman Page 480 00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:11.880 wins the championship, tears worshiped by myself, like tears worshiped. 481 00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:15.799 And I think it was just the build up of 482 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:20.920 everything because the pH story is definitely from the beginning 483 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:25.799 of aw he it much and I know he goes, 484 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.400 he goes up and downe and everything. But like his 485 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:32.480 this initial character arc I think was really amazing and 486 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:35.279 well done. But you add into the fact of that, 487 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:37.480 like for me that I was finally out at a 488 00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.279 pay per view, So this is to me, this is 489 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:44.599 the this is the AW peak and this is the 490 00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:47.799 end of the golden era. Is Hangman Page lifting that 491 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:50.599 title at Full Gear twenty twenty one? 492 00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:53.519 Absolutely, And that was a great moment when we were 493 00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:55.519 talking about full Gear a minute ago, Like, for some reason, 494 00:26:55.559 --> 00:26:57.799 I associate full Gear with Hangman and as soon as 495 00:26:57.839 --> 00:26:59.839 we got it, like, oh, this is why, Well, because 496 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:02.839 he is the genesis of the name, the odd name, 497 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:05.279 but also I always associate with Hi because yeah, because 498 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:07.519 that's when he finally wins the title from Omega, which 499 00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:10.200 is yes, the very cathartic moment is a good moment. 500 00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:12.240 Like you said, and other people have said, like, Hangman 501 00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:14.559 is like the main character of AW. So you've been 502 00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:17.599 following him at this point for like three years or 503 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:19.640 two years and he finally win a title. 504 00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:24.440 Yeah. So I've always been a big proponent of him 505 00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.720 being the main character, but I've started to wonder now 506 00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:33.000 if it's like he he is the main character of 507 00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:36.519 seasons one and two, and have we now entered some 508 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.519 kind of season three, or he's not because he can't 509 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.359 challenge for the title anymore. And as much as I 510 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:48.079 really do love him, I do feel that he's he 511 00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:51.759 likes his time off, and like whatever his reasons are 512 00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:55.200 for that, that's personal to him and no judgment on that. 513 00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:58.799 But at the same time, your main character like in 514 00:27:58.880 --> 00:28:03.400 their time off probably isn't like like a great thing. 515 00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:07.240 So it really feels like a golden age for a 516 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.279 rousing company. And when he lifts that belt, and then 517 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:13.480 it's no surprise that when we get to twenty twenty two, 518 00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:17.400 the next year we have an addition to the Big four. 519 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:20.480 Right, So this is, I would is the next era. 520 00:28:20.640 --> 00:28:23.839 So twenty twenty one into even Revolution twenty twenty two 521 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:26.680 I consider like part of that run. And during this period, 522 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:29.640 by the way, like buys for and attendance are all 523 00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:32.640 coming out of the pandemic obviously, but buys are way up, 524 00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:35.599 Like the buyers for Revolution are like one hundred and 525 00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:38.480 seventy three. That's like maybe the third or fourth best 526 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:39.279 they've ever done. 527 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:43.160 Yeah, and then we're like, you know, I went to 528 00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:46.160 Revolution twenty twenty two as well, so I was back 529 00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:49.960 back back in America a couple of months later. Epic 530 00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:53.200 match on that card and JF Firsus Sampunk. 531 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:57.759 Absolutely maybe match of the year, maybe. 532 00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.640 I think Match of the Year and then a bit 533 00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:02.240 of a locked me an event, because I just remember 534 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.000 the crowd chatting like, both these guys are called Adam. 535 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:07.039 They're both Adam Adam Paige bosses. 536 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:12.039 Yes, I mean, yeah, yeah, and well, this is another 537 00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:14.079 thing we have like during this year. This is where 538 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:16.319 we get this is where we get Sampunk interested company. 539 00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:19.759 Before All Out, I had his first match at All Out, 540 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.759 and then Danielson and Cole both debut at All Out together, Yes, 541 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:26.799 and then we get Swerve and Regal showing up a Revolution. 542 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:29.799 I'm sure you'd love getting William Regal. You're like, I 543 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.559 traveled across an ocean to go to Orlando to see 544 00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:34.640 William Regal. 545 00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:37.000 Honestly, I think I said this year at the time 546 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.160 of the William Legal thing. I remember being in the 547 00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:42.440 stunts at Revolution and seeing him appear. I'm thinking for 548 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:48.039 Fox it, I have really tied myself to this company. 549 00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.079 So it looks like I'm just gonna have to accept 550 00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.400 whatever they do, and I'm gonna have to accept Wlidian Weigel. 551 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.640 But I he sure did let me done almost immediately. 552 00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.359 Absolutely, there was not a great member run for Willia Regal, 553 00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:05.200 although we are still feeling the effects of his brief appearance. Yeah. 554 00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.640 But okay, So then in twenty twenty two, like you said, 555 00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:10.960 they add a show. Now I don't. This is the 556 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.799 show they add, just so I'm not feel like I'm 557 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:15.160 building it up. It's Forbidden Door. They add Forbidden Door 558 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:18.640 to the calendar, and this doesn't Initially it doesn't feel like, hey, 559 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:20.680 we're adding an annual pay per view to the show. 560 00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:23.640 It felt like we're having this special event pay per view. 561 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.759 And if you take in that context, it makes absolute 562 00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:29.720 sense that they throw in Forbidden Door. They can hold 563 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:32.160 another pay per view. This. I do remember initially thinking 564 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:34.839 this is a special event and it was awesome. Although 565 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.960 of course it was in Chicago. You know that I 566 00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:41.680 was there. Here's the question, were you also all out 567 00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.920 in Chicago? Like it's two months after this? 568 00:30:44.799 --> 00:30:46.000 Yeah, I was. 569 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:52.400 You to go for three months on the pay per views. 570 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.559 Searching for more great pro wrestling talk, then join me 571 00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.000 Jason Powell, host of the three weekly Pro Wrestling Boom podcast, 572 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.799 asked each week you'll hear the latest news and analysis 573 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:04.759 for me and my team at pro wrestling dot net 574 00:31:04.799 --> 00:31:07.680 along with other pro wrestling media members. Plus, the Pro 575 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.319 Wrestling Boom Podcast features long form interviews with notable names 576 00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:15.000 in the pro wrestling industry. Subscribe and iTunes, ditcher, downcast, 577 00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.119 and all your favorite secondary apps, or visit us directly 578 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:22.119 at PW boom dot com. Once again, that's PW boom 579 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:25.440 dot com. 580 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:27.119 Yeah, so I was what I was going to ask 581 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:29.440 you about for Bidden Door was did you think Forbidden 582 00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:32.759 Door was going to be an annual paper the first year? 583 00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:37.400 And obviously you didn't, and neither did I. When Tony 584 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:43.000 announced Forbidden Door, it did feel like a massive one off, 585 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:44.960 which I'm sure we went through this in our cost 586 00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.319 promotion thing, but it really did feel special, probably hence 587 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.640 me going to Chicago for it. I remember before this show, 588 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.839 I was so excited, and I think it still exists, 589 00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:00.559 so maybe it doesn't. But myself and Bano and Andrew 590 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:04.960 and sp three, we all meete our own fantasy show 591 00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:07.799 and it was amazing putting together all these people and 592 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.359 then the card did not turn out like that, right. 593 00:32:10.440 --> 00:32:12.519 I'm not saying it was a bad part, but this 594 00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.160 was not a dream Match card, which should have been 595 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:18.759 the first signal that Tony was planning this to be 596 00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:20.599 a yearly event. 597 00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:23.920 Right, and they've continued to Usually they do deliver like 598 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.440 one big like Dreamers match, and then the rest are 599 00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.400 like very much just tag team matches, multiman matches, or 600 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:33.319 irrelevant matches. Yeah, so you're right, that should have been 601 00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.279 a tip off that, oh, this is what Forbidden Door 602 00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:36.400 is going to be. Well, if you're just going to 603 00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.400 do this, you can do this every year, and they have. 604 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:41.440 So we get the five pay per views a year 605 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.200 if you count Forbidden Door, which again we still thought 606 00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:45.640 was only going to be a one off. So if 607 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:47.400 you look at it as the Big four, they're still 608 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:50.960 doing good. Like buys are still up. Forbidden Door actually 609 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:55.160 has the worst buys of the entire year there, Like 610 00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:57.720 people were not this first for Ben Door too. First 611 00:32:57.720 --> 00:32:59.319 of all, it seemed like a one off, and also 612 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.640 like d railed, all the booking everything went sideways. They 613 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:05.640 started bringing people in and everything was like crazy. I remember, 614 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.079 it just seemed like a speed bump before you got 615 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:09.559 the all Out is kind of how they presus. 616 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:12.799 Yeah, and it still feels like that to me. 617 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:14.880 I agree with that one hundred sep. 618 00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:20.599 But what's interesting as well about this time, just while 619 00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:24.039 we're hear it in twenty twenty two and you're talking 620 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:26.119 about like the by rates are still going up and everything. 621 00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:30.400 And I did say that revolution was the end of 622 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.599 the golden era, and then we have like the times 623 00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:40.640 where things are still good because we don't know that 624 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:44.680 the storm is coming, like we haven't seen the iceberg yet, 625 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:50.240 but we're moving slowly towards it. Because the set the 626 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:54.000 Double or Nothing of twenty twenty two is where Punk 627 00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:59.240 wins the championship, and even me and Benno, who has 628 00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:02.759 with that year as the two biggest seampunk fans, we 629 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.519 were like, this is not right, This is not right 630 00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:05.960 at all. 631 00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.440 You would be proven right not a few months later 632 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:11.920 when all Out rolls around. That's this year. 633 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:17.960 Well, we hung around for the Dynamite in La where 634 00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:22.280 he got injured right immediately after he had to vag 635 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:23.000 hit the belt. 636 00:34:23.599 --> 00:34:26.440 Oh yeah, and then we get Injurim title nonsense, Yes, 637 00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:27.280 then we. 638 00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.920 Got Forbidden Door. Whatever we've talked about that all Out, 639 00:34:31.400 --> 00:34:35.239 I was in Chicago. I was at the show before, 640 00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:38.039 so it wouldn't have been a dynamite. It would have 641 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.760 been a rampage or something. 642 00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:43.480 They still did rampage. This is before collision, so it 643 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:45.480 kind of had to be rampage. 644 00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:49.360 Or maybe it was on the dynamite. But remember him 645 00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:50.400 and Moxley had. 646 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:53.840 A random Yes, they had a random match where Moxley 647 00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:56.400 just beats him in like twenty seconds or something. 648 00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.440 And then he doesn't want to do the big match 649 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:00.000 and then. 650 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:03.400 Oh, you're right, and a Steele has to talk him 651 00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:03.719 into it. 652 00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:07.679 Yeah. I was sat beside Zach Hey don't hay on 653 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:13.239 for that show. Great man, great great writer, great podcaster, 654 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.719 and we were talking about Punk before the show. My 655 00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.199 biggest memory of this is like, you know, he like 656 00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.239 he's he's a Chicago guy and I'm and I'm like 657 00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:24.239 a punk fan girl and he's certainly not a fan boy, 658 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:28.119 Like he's way more sensible than me, and it's just like, 659 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.519 you know the problem with Punk sometimes is that he 660 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:34.000 does seem really great, but like he'll always let you down. 661 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.079 And then he comes out at this show, does his 662 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.719 promo and like he turns to some guy in the 663 00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.000 crowd He's like, shut up, you fat virgin or something. 664 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.280 It was something like so blatant like that, it's very punk. 665 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:49.760 I just turned mind to Zac and I say, this 666 00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:52.199 is exactly what I mean, like like, no one can 667 00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:55.719 teach this man, just like why why are you doing this? 668 00:35:56.039 --> 00:36:00.480 But yeah, so I would just want to pint the 669 00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:04.800 picture there before we talk about getting even more pay 670 00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.559 per views than next year of where we were in 671 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.880 history as we closed twenty twenty two with now unbeknownst 672 00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:15.559 to us, five annual pay per views. 673 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:18.760 Yes, and I'm with you, like I'm still riding high. 674 00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:21.400 I'm still like, man, aw is really killing it. When 675 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:23.760 they got Punk, I'm like, oh, well, gosh. And then 676 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.960 you had Brian Danilson come in and like, oh, oh gosh, 677 00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:29.079 things are looking up. And then you have all Out. 678 00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.400 You have Punk and Moxley and that should be a 679 00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:36.840 great match. You had MJF return to win the ladder 680 00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:38.800 match and get his shot at the title, and you're thinking, 681 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:41.840 oh man, you're getting Punk and MJF again, but for 682 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.800 the title. Holy hell, this should be everything to be great. 683 00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:48.039 And then it's far and then nothing happened after the show, right, Stephanie, 684 00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:53.199 They just nothing happened. Everything just went smoothly, and full 685 00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:55.599 Gear was a couple months after that, and everything was 686 00:36:55.719 --> 00:36:58.840 exactly the same as it was before. Obviously we don't 687 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.199 have to re litigate Out, but I think it is 688 00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:04.320 like a like an inflection point where things start going 689 00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:08.280 not as positively for AW. I mean, it splits fans 690 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:09.639 in many ways. 691 00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:14.039 Yeah, we definitely don't have to go through ball Out again. 692 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.360 I've certainly told my my own personal story of that. 693 00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:19.599 I don't I forget what episode it was I went 694 00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.480 through that, but we've talked that. I think that ball 695 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:27.800 Out is the iceberg, forgive me. I recently watched listen 696 00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:34.280 to a five hour Titanic podcast, So Blolla is probably 697 00:37:34.320 --> 00:37:37.440 the iceberg. But I think it took the Titanic like 698 00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:40.760 two hours and forty minutes or something to sink and 699 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.440 a few terms. That's a few more pay per views 700 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:44.079 right right if. 701 00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.119 You look goes that way. Also, like they were heading 702 00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:48.360 towards it the whole time. They just didn't know, like 703 00:37:48.400 --> 00:37:50.119 they could have steered away from it. This could have 704 00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.119 been avoided, but they didn't. They ran right into the iceberg. 705 00:37:53.159 --> 00:37:59.960 In the situation, they really did, so, Yes, twenty twenty three. Surprise, Surprise, 706 00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:03.159 in June, we've got another forbidden door. 707 00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:06.599 Yeah, and tear comes Forbidden Door. I number for that. 708 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.119 Oh you didn't go to Toronto for that. Wait, it 709 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:11.559 was in Toronto that we said. Yeah, okay, well I 710 00:38:11.599 --> 00:38:14.320 didn't go to Toronto either. I've never left this country that 711 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:15.079 I'm currently in. 712 00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:18.239 I did not go to the Double or Nothing before that. 713 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.400 I went to the Revolution in Sound Francisco. Oh shit, 714 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.079 I did go to the Double or Nothing. Okay, it 715 00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:26.880 was in Vegas, shocker. Yeah it was. I went to 716 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:31.000 Revolution and I went to Double or Nothing. And there's 717 00:38:31.079 --> 00:38:33.360 nothing that sticks out in my head from either of them. 718 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.360 But yes, I did not go to a forbidden Doors. 719 00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:41.280 So this forbidden Door in Toronto is the second Forbidden Doors. 720 00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:43.199 So now we know it's annual, so now we can 721 00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:44.880 call it annual forbid door. 722 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.840 We know for sure and it has continued, yess. 723 00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:50.480 Yes, and it is their first pay per view to 724 00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:53.360 be held outside the United States of America. 725 00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:55.960 Yeah, so it actually it does pretty well in attendance. 726 00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:58.039 It's almost fifteen thousand. 727 00:38:57.840 --> 00:38:58.880 So yeah, that's good. 728 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.440 Yeah. Well, at this point, I mean we're fourst years in, 729 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:04.840 like aw has established a certain quality of pay per view. 730 00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:07.119 Even people who don't watch Dynamite, A lot of people 731 00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:08.880 are still like check out the pay per view because 732 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:11.119 always delivers for sure, for sure. 733 00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:14.360 And then so at some point earlier in the year, 734 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.880 we got the announcement of All In at Wembley Stadium, 735 00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:23.440 which becomes our sixth aw pay per view on the 736 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:28.719 calendar there. So I had heard that they were doing 737 00:39:29.119 --> 00:39:32.039 a show in London. Might I'd heard this in the 738 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.639 grand vine in the British wrestling scene, and I was 739 00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.360 living in London at the time, and I'd heard some ideas. 740 00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.719 So I had of course heard Craven Cottage as an idea, 741 00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.960 which is the grounds of the Super Bowl team that 742 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.800 that Tony Kahan owns, which makes sense, the soccer, sorry 743 00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:52.639 soccer team, the soccer. 744 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.519 Team he owns, the World Cup, Stephanie, you can get 745 00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.119 away with football for another couple of months in America. 746 00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:02.199 So that that would have been interesting, right, And then 747 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:06.960 I heard rumors of some other places in London and 748 00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:13.440 somebody like I think it was somewhat a British wrestler 749 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:16.920 or maybe like a promoter or something told me that 750 00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:19.599 they were doing it, and I forget what they told me, 751 00:40:19.719 --> 00:40:23.000 but it wasn't it, Like, wasn't Wembley. And I was 752 00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:26.920 like asking their like prs, like is this true, but 753 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.320 no answer and then we got the announcement like on 754 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:35.599 that dynamite of Wembley Stadium, which I never would have 755 00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:40.400 suspected that they would do Wembley Stadium now, even more 756 00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:44.360 than Forbidden Door. This felt like a one off and 757 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.679 they end up with like a massive attendance, like Wikipedia 758 00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:50.599 says seventy two hundred and sixty five. Will not get 759 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.480 into like what the actual number is because there different 760 00:40:53.519 --> 00:40:56.719 people have different ideas with the ticket count, turnstile count. 761 00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:01.920 Will Osboy got a tattoo, maybe that wasn't correct, et cetera. 762 00:41:02.920 --> 00:41:05.760 But this event, for someone, for someone living on that 763 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:09.119 side of the world, it seemed really massive and they 764 00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:12.119 did so well with the tickets they sold. But I 765 00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:14.760 think that, you know, it kind of doesn't surprise me 766 00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:18.800 because this was a big wrestling event in Wembley. WWE 767 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.639 had done Clash at the Castle in this September before 768 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.800 they did that line the same time as Brailau was 769 00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:28.679 WWE Clash in the Castle, but that was in Wales, 770 00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.079 that was in Cardiff, and I know what they were 771 00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:34.039 trying to do, but it wasn't the same, Like it 772 00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:37.719 wasn't the spirit of the SummerSlam at Wembley and this 773 00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:41.400 seemed closer to it. I did think that they did 774 00:41:41.880 --> 00:41:47.360 a terrible job of promoting it in the UK. I 775 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.679 think that they're super lucky that people wanted a wrestling 776 00:41:51.719 --> 00:41:54.320 show and we're willing to travel. Their promotion of it 777 00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:57.719 was terrible, but their promotion is always always terrible, like 778 00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.320 a die on the way. People that are in charge 779 00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:04.360 of this are just bad, and Tony is just bad 780 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.159 at making this big deal. But I thought this was 781 00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.880 like super bad. I thought they did not do a 782 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:13.039 good job of capitalizing on their mind of people that 783 00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:16.440 were going to be in Wembley in different ways, you know, 784 00:42:16.519 --> 00:42:19.000 like having events to the fans and stuff like that. 785 00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:21.400 I think there might have been like one official event 786 00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:25.320 and then there were like other you know groups or 787 00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:28.280 whatever that put on events, and there was other wrestling shows, 788 00:42:28.280 --> 00:42:30.599 like there was a rev Po show that I was at, 789 00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:32.800 which I think was the night before and stuff. But 790 00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:37.079 they they didn't try and make like the wrestle Minia vibe, 791 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.880 and they've never they've never been good at that. But 792 00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:43.480 they had like massive success with it, and I thought 793 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:45.760 it would be one off. But I'm pretty sure that 794 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.000 it's at the actual show that Tony announces they're coming 795 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:49.760 back next year. 796 00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:52.920 Yeah they did. I think you're I think he announced 797 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:54.599 it like either at the end of the beginning of 798 00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:57.119 the show, which, by the way, as a wrestling show, 799 00:42:57.559 --> 00:42:59.559 wasn't actually that great. I mean, you had Adam Cole 800 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.159 and MF as best friend in the main event. 801 00:43:02.639 --> 00:43:07.719 Was I thought that was terrible and I watched I 802 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:10.199 watched this from the press but at Wembley, which isn't 803 00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:12.559 the best place to watch the show, to be honest, 804 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:18.920 and to see people like clapping and laughing, and I 805 00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:22.039 just felt like the prestige that you were trying to 806 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:24.400 get through doing the show on Wembley and through getting 807 00:43:24.400 --> 00:43:29.079 that many people to have this like basically like comedy 808 00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.840 match as the main event was dreadful. And I remember 809 00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:36.199 they wrestled earlier in the night, like in tag team. 810 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:39.119 Of course I had to defend those RJH tag team titles. 811 00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:43.000 Yeah, so you didn't even have your main champion, MGF 812 00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.639 coming out, you know, for his last match as the 813 00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:48.679 first time you've seen him on that show. But at 814 00:43:48.679 --> 00:43:53.840 this time, like the company was under this terrible his 815 00:43:54.639 --> 00:44:00.039 off the MJF Adam Cole stuff. Yeah, really, like the 816 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.039 iceberg is now ripping its way through every floor of 817 00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:03.519 this ship. 818 00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:06.800 Right ironically, we're kind of recovering from the brolout thing. 819 00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:08.760 I think we kind of reached like an equilibrium, like 820 00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:13.199 everything was like okay leading into this show. Yes, the 821 00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:16.719 same could not be said after the show. Another thing 822 00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:20.079 we don't need to religate necessarily, but it's a kind 823 00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:22.880 of a thing that happened. This is a Seampunk's last 824 00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:23.800 appearance in AW. 825 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:29.159 Yeah, Like I really I didn't enjoy the first all 826 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:32.480 in Like, to be honest, I didn't enjoy being there. 827 00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:38.239 It had kind of like every element of an event 828 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:41.800 that I don't like. And I'm not a big fan 829 00:44:41.920 --> 00:44:47.320 of stadiums either, So I just fully like there was 830 00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:49.400 a lot I didn't like about the show and about 831 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.280 the structure of it and stuff like that. I think 832 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.920 I was just having a really shitty time in life 833 00:44:55.960 --> 00:44:58.559 in general. Then like that week or something, it was 834 00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:01.079 like not grea ut for me personally. And I remember 835 00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:04.639 Samoa Joe and see him punk coming out for the 836 00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.760 for the first match, and I remember I don't know 837 00:45:07.800 --> 00:45:10.920 at what point, but I and I think this is 838 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:13.400 what happened, but it might not exactly be what happened. 839 00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.880 Like Sean lost sat getting up and showing day of 840 00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:23.679 something and like everyone was talking. And then I saw 841 00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:27.199 on X that Punk had had a fight backstage, and 842 00:45:27.679 --> 00:45:31.920 my thought sitting there was I am watching his last match. 843 00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.920 Yeah, I always forget that that happened. The altercation happened 844 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:38.320 right before the match. In my head, it happened right 845 00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:40.719 after the match, but it happened. Punk goes out and 846 00:45:40.800 --> 00:45:45.800 wrestled Samoa Joe and then come it's. 847 00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:49.400 Crazy news is out there when he's wrestling as well, 848 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:54.480 like it's it's really bad. But yeah, I remember just 849 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:58.400 thinking like, okay, well I've seen I've seen his last 850 00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:00.800 match now, like if anything, I've seen in his last match, 851 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:01.559 and that's it. 852 00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.159 Yes, And you were exactly right, and I agree with you. 853 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.239 Aline was kind of like a disappointing show. It did 854 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.719 good bias, It did almost two hundred thousand bias. It 855 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:12.280 was a very popular show. Obviously is well attended, that's 856 00:46:12.360 --> 00:46:16.639 well known. You know. It did much worse was because 857 00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.639 they scheduled this so dumbly. Is that All Out is 858 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:24.239 literally the next weekend in Chicago, of course, but the 859 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:28.599 all the literal next weekend, and they like blew up everything. 860 00:46:28.679 --> 00:46:30.320 So like all Out, I didn't have like a world 861 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:32.920 title match. It just had MJF and Adam Cole and 862 00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:36.440 this like it was the worst. 863 00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.639 It became like such a such a big problem that 864 00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:42.639 you know, there was a six six days or something 865 00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:46.480 in between the two shows. So I didn't I didn't 866 00:46:46.519 --> 00:46:49.480 go to that All Out obviously because I was just 867 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.400 I just done, Like the Wembley thing. 868 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:52.880 Great because you were in London a week earlier and 869 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.599 were flying to Chicago for a less than show. That 870 00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:56.159 makes sense. 871 00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:58.840 The card was terrible. 872 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:02.760 It was a great The main event was Orange Cassidy 873 00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:05.519 and John Moxley over the international title. Of course, your idea, 874 00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:06.559 what's going on there? 875 00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.119 You know that last segment you're just listening to and 876 00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:12.239 the next one that you're waiting to listen to. Those 877 00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:14.760 can be one second apart. 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Is it libor Day? 893 00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:05.760 I believe that's Labor Day? 894 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.920 Yes, so he's like, steadfast on that Labor Day in 895 00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:13.199 Chicago and double or nothing is what days out? 896 00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:16.440 Double or nothing is, Yeah, it's whatever I think Memorial 897 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:16.960 Day weekend? 898 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:17.119 Do? 899 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.760 Yeah, right, steadfast on that too. Like for a long time, 900 00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:23.840 anyone would have told you if if you've just done 901 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:28.559 like over seventy thousand or whatever in London, you don't 902 00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:30.039 need a pay per view the next week in. 903 00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.719 Chicago, absolutely, And you know what else you don't need 904 00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:35.960 to do Stephanie is add two more pay per views 905 00:48:36.280 --> 00:48:38.280 during the rest of the calendar year, when you've already 906 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.760 had more pay per views. At that point, they'd already 907 00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:43.440 had four pay per views, and they added two more. 908 00:48:43.480 --> 00:48:47.119 They added Wrestle Dream, which is apparently a yearly one. 909 00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:48.800 That's another one. I wasn't sure that was going to 910 00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.800 be yearly, but it keeps happening. 911 00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:56.360 They add Wrestling Dream. That's a tribute to Antonio. 912 00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:59.280 Ok, right, yes, in twenty twenty three, when it was 913 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.039 still a tribute to Antonio, it was like not mentioned 914 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:02.719 last year at all. 915 00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:06.320 It was so funny. All I all I remember is 916 00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:09.519 I think it. I think it was JP from Grapple, 917 00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:13.599 like just making this joke about Antonio and Nochi on 918 00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.239 its deathbed, being like, you must do an event in 919 00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:18.519 Seattle too to honor me. 920 00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:23.000 That would at least be a good explanation, because right right, 921 00:49:23.079 --> 00:49:24.440 right now, we have no explanation. 922 00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:30.639 But I just thought like it was so so bizarre 923 00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:34.480 for him, like that, like Tony's kind of like speech 924 00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:37.840 and like Antonio and OK had a wrestled Dream, and 925 00:49:38.000 --> 00:49:40.559 he was like the way he tied it to an OK. 926 00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:44.239 It did the first year seem like he was just 927 00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:47.599 doing some kind of tribute to Anoki. I think Aoki's 928 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:50.679 on like the first poster, like fucking dead in the 929 00:49:50.679 --> 00:49:54.639 sky or whatever. And but then like he kept he 930 00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:57.679 kept on with this too. But to me, just like 931 00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:01.559 full Gear will always be about hang them packet in 932 00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:05.039 Full Gear, like whistled Dream will always be the dying 933 00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.960 wish of Antonio and Nogi was that this pay per view. 934 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:11.119 Exists, right, and like they haven't announced it for this 935 00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:15.800 year yet, but I assume it's happening October at some point. Yeah, 936 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:19.079 and then they had their normal full Gear which is out. Well, 937 00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:20.519 do you want to talk about Full Gear in Los 938 00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:22.719 Angeles and why that was an awful show? You remember 939 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.960 the where MJF Wrestle They match and got injured in 940 00:50:26.119 --> 00:50:28.599 the pre show, I believe, and then goes on to 941 00:50:28.719 --> 00:50:31.679 just handily beat Jay White to retain the title even 942 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:32.440 though he's injured. 943 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:35.199 Yeah. I actually watched some of this with my mom. 944 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:38.320 It's a bigger Jay White fan than me. Geez, she's 945 00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:41.719 not she's not ar wrestling aficionado. And even she didn't 946 00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:44.840 believe what was happening. This was this was so bad. 947 00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.599 Someone needed to make a Citizen's Arrest at that show on. 948 00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:52.440 It was really really bad, but they were in They 949 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:56.239 were in such as slump at this point, at the 950 00:50:56.800 --> 00:51:02.079 towards the end of Mjfsman after where all the comedy 951 00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:04.719 crap that they had gone through with Adam Cole and 952 00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:09.039 then Adam Cole at some point getting horrifically injured. 953 00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:10.280 Right stepping off a stage. 954 00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:15.639 Yeah, and all of that that. It was that full 955 00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:17.159 gear was really bad. 956 00:51:17.800 --> 00:51:21.000 Yes, AW kind of in general is starting to get 957 00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:24.079 not great. During this period. You had like some highlights. 958 00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:26.960 You had Hangman and the Swerves feud was going starting 959 00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:29.760 at this point, yeah, and you had timeless Tony Storm 960 00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.119 kind of coming around. But otherwise there was not a 961 00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:35.320 lot going for AW at all, which makes you wonder 962 00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.360 why did they add another pay per view to close 963 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.400 out the year World's End, which, by the way, there's 964 00:51:42.519 --> 00:51:45.519 no apostrophe. It's not the end of the world, it's 965 00:51:45.559 --> 00:51:49.000 not World's End. It's more than one world ending, apparently, 966 00:51:49.360 --> 00:51:50.519 multiple world's ending. 967 00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:54.480 I always wonder did he get the title from a 968 00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:58.760 bar in Camden and London. I can imagine that he 969 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:01.920 would like that. He maybe saw it, you know, during 970 00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.400 one of his trips the first iteration of this show. 971 00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.840 Oh my god, this was okay. Firstly, this was too 972 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:12.480 close to Christmas, right, this was the day before New 973 00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.159 Year's Eve? Yeah, no, horrible, And I just thought the 974 00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.679 timing was really bad. I felt, I don't know, like 975 00:52:20.239 --> 00:52:23.039 how because I know you guys have you know, Thanksgiving 976 00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:25.719 and stuff, so how much you really feel about Christmas? 977 00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:27.440 But I was certainly like I would not want to 978 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.079 be traveling on December thirtieth, you know, for this show 979 00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:33.079 if I was a wrestler or a fan or whatever. 980 00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:37.440 In America, we a lot of us travel around Christmas, 981 00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.360 but not to go to a wrestling show to go 982 00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:42.079 be with our family. So we're not going to this, 983 00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:45.559 We're going everywhere else, and travel is crazy because of that, 984 00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:47.679 So you wouldn't want to go travel somewhere else. 985 00:52:47.920 --> 00:52:51.039 I think this show. To me, I remember this show 986 00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:56.960 really really badly. It was. It was marred by controversy 987 00:52:57.119 --> 00:53:01.840 with a member of the roster. So but that was 988 00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:05.239 the entire discourse the day of the pay per view 989 00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.159 and during the pay per view and after the pay 990 00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:12.239 per view, and you remember that, yes, which now made 991 00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:15.480 the pay per view like seem even worse than it 992 00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:21.639 was and we got the end of mjf's reign, which 993 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:25.639 Samoa Joe, right, you know, so much love and respect 994 00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:29.039 for small I can't say that I was thrilled with 995 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.800 him getting the title. I remember I think Ben I 996 00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:34.119 was pretty mad at me for my reaction to Samoa 997 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:36.880 Joe winning the title, because he's a big Smoo Joe fan. 998 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.360 But I just kind of meant it in like I 999 00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:41.280 understand why you put the belt on Joe, but at 1000 00:53:41.320 --> 00:53:43.960 the same time he might be a bit past it. 1001 00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.239 But yeah, this this pay per view to me was 1002 00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:52.079 just not worth doing. And it ended like a year 1003 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:57.920 in which a w had It felt like kind of 1004 00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:02.599 gone through some real lows, like yes, you did your 1005 00:54:02.639 --> 00:54:06.440 show at Wembley Stadium, but everything else it felt like 1006 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.440 there was it just wasn't as great anymore. There was 1007 00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:12.199 a lot of bad feeling. It's when we get you know, 1008 00:54:12.320 --> 00:54:16.480 the Punk final blowout and everything that mars the Wembley show. 1009 00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:22.039 It's this terrible MJF era of the Adam Cole stuff 1010 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:24.719 and all of that, and then to end on this 1011 00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:28.639 dud of a pay per view at bad publicity was 1012 00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:30.199 just not. 1013 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.880 Good for the record. If we're talking bias, which is 1014 00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:35.199 important for putting out a pay per viewer putting a pay 1015 00:54:35.159 --> 00:54:37.760 per view on to sell it good because after all 1016 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:40.199 in they start going down the toilet like the year 1017 00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:43.840 before it was like one fifty one forty five averaging, 1018 00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:46.559 and then all in they do one ninety and then 1019 00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:49.840 all out only one hundred rest dream one hundred, like 1020 00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.760 one twenty five for full gear, one thirty five for 1021 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:55.280 this World's in show. Like that's an uptick. That's still 1022 00:54:55.400 --> 00:54:58.079 much less than the year before. It's like average. They 1023 00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:01.079 do jump back up, though it is technically the next 1024 00:55:01.159 --> 00:55:07.199 year when they do Revolution in Greensboro, North Carolina, which 1025 00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.960 they had the benefit of being Sting's retirement. I think 1026 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:13.239 that really helped pump that up, although I do remember 1027 00:55:13.280 --> 00:55:16.239 that being a good, good show, like it was kind 1028 00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:19.000 of I think people were like, oh aw, so back baby. 1029 00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:22.119 They they ended up not being so bad, but people thought. 1030 00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.760 That this got the opposite vibe to World End, to 1031 00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.519 World End because Sting is loved by everyone, so him 1032 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:34.039 getting this big send off what he deserved. The icon. 1033 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:38.320 It was beautiful, and you can't say that they mishandled Sting. 1034 00:55:38.760 --> 00:55:41.280 You can't say they didn't book Sting well or anything 1035 00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:46.079 like that like they did. Sting is probably one of 1036 00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:51.079 their greatest successes. If we're talking about like Hangman Adam 1037 00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:54.960 Paige and his arc up until he wins I had 1038 00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:57.760 lived for the first time being one of the greatest 1039 00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:01.039 stories they ever told. This one of the other ones 1040 00:56:01.239 --> 00:56:04.519 is staying from when he debuts in the company till 1041 00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:09.320 he leaves at Revolution. Wonderful scenes and my god, they 1042 00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:11.880 really need it, a rebound like that. 1043 00:56:12.519 --> 00:56:16.199 After they really needed it, and they did luckily get it. 1044 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:19.119 And we mentioned several shows we were at. I purchased 1045 00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.760 a ticket for this show because I'm in South Carolina, 1046 00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:25.519 which traveling from South Carolina North Carolina is not that complicated. 1047 00:56:25.679 --> 00:56:28.320 I ended up not going for I don't remember why. 1048 00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.360 I just didn't go, but I sold my ticket for 1049 00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:31.760 like double what I paid for it, so I got 1050 00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.440 that going for me. Oh, but after I saw it, 1051 00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:37.159 I'm like, oh, she just went because it looked like 1052 00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:38.880 it would have been awesome to be at. 1053 00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:44.079 But yeah, after the success of Revolution, it's time to 1054 00:56:44.079 --> 00:56:44.880 add another paper. 1055 00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:48.880 You gotta right. So Revolution kicks off twenty twenty four 1056 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.920 on a high note, and Tony just like more pay 1057 00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:55.960 per views please, so we get dynasty, which you know, 1058 00:56:56.960 --> 00:57:00.159 is that named after the like the eighties soap for 1059 00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:02.320 a kind of show that we had, or what is 1060 00:57:02.480 --> 00:57:05.039 I know what a dynasty is? There a was there 1061 00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:06.800 an actual thing behind this naming. 1062 00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:11.800 There's not a consensus as well on the pronunciation dynasty 1063 00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:13.159 or dynasty. 1064 00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.679 Well people say it, well, the people say dynasty are incorrect. 1065 00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:19.840 But yes, I'm sure people say it incorrectly all the time. 1066 00:57:20.760 --> 00:57:21.880 I went to this show. 1067 00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:24.679 Oh you were, because you're like, it's the first ever. 1068 00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:26.159 This has got to be a great show. I'm going 1069 00:57:26.199 --> 00:57:29.000 to go to Saint Louis, Missouri. At least it's a 1070 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:29.719 new city for. 1071 00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:32.800 Him, it is. It's a new city for me too. Okay, 1072 00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:34.400 I had not been to Saint Louis. 1073 00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:36.599 Oh did you see the big arch thing? That's that's 1074 00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:37.480 what Saint Louis has. 1075 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:41.480 Cool, Yes I did. Wasn't a fun of Saint Louis 1076 00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:44.880 or the show of Saint Louis. But I have to 1077 00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:47.920 preface a lot of things I say when I'm talking 1078 00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:53.519 about American cities that aren't like New York and Chicago. Right, 1079 00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:59.079 Americans do not walk. They do not So for me 1080 00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:03.840 who walks everywhere, because I don't know, or you. 1081 00:58:03.760 --> 00:58:06.159 Can just walk around Saint Louis. Are you insane? You 1082 00:58:06.199 --> 00:58:07.119 will get murdered. 1083 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:10.880 So I think it took me about sixty minutes of 1084 00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:16.079 walking around in Saint Louis at nighttime. At nighttime, you 1085 00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:18.039 buy a packet of cigarettes. 1086 00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:21.519 Right, Well, there's things work't risk in your life, for 1087 00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:22.039 I suppose. 1088 00:58:23.519 --> 00:58:26.400 And I could only end up doing this at like 1089 00:58:26.519 --> 00:58:30.079 a garage where they just had the window open, you know, 1090 00:58:30.280 --> 00:58:33.719 and anyway. But when you're you know, like for me, 1091 00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:37.400 and it's not like I don't live in London anymore, 1092 00:58:37.480 --> 00:58:42.480 you know. I live in in Belfast, a relatively small 1093 00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.559 town in Ireland, but things like you can you can 1094 00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.360 walk to things here, so I don't like need a car. 1095 00:58:49.639 --> 00:58:53.000 But sometimes I find myself in American cities and it's 1096 00:58:53.079 --> 00:58:56.960 so far to find, you know, like a shop or 1097 00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:00.800 a something. I find this in Florida too, like Florida's 1098 00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:03.639 I am we will not walk in Florida. So that 1099 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:07.599 was my problem with with Saint Louis. But it seemed 1100 00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:09.800 nice other than that. But I actually walked from my 1101 00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:13.800 hotel to the to the show, and that walked took 1102 00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.360 about an hour or so, but I don't remember much 1103 00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:19.840 about this show at all. To be honest, I don't 1104 00:59:19.880 --> 00:59:23.159 think it was worth going to Oh Freak. It had 1105 00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:24.880 the lost Brave versus Brian on it. 1106 00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:27.800 Okay, yes it had that. And this is also where 1107 00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:30.360 Swerve wins his first world title, which was a good moment. 1108 00:59:30.400 --> 00:59:32.119 I remember I watched the show. I thought it was good, 1109 00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:33.719 like as a show to watch on TV. 1110 00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:37.440 Coming back to me, Actually, I think it was a 1111 00:59:37.480 --> 00:59:42.199 really good show. But this is probably when I started 1112 00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:47.239 to realize something that I should have realized two years prior. 1113 00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:52.800 Don't go to shows. 1114 00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:55.280 That's fair. I mean, like I said, I watched on TV. 1115 00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:56.840 It was a very enjoyable show. 1116 00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:00.000 I think it is much better to watch Westley's shows 1117 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.199 in the confident of your own home. And I think, 1118 01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:06.639 especially if you don't live near the place that's happening, 1119 01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:11.000 it's best like not to go. So I don't know 1120 01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:13.159 why I decided to go to Dynasty, like, I have 1121 01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.960 absolutely no idea, you know what, I do know why. 1122 01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:19.559 I was living in Toronto, so that was way easier 1123 01:00:19.599 --> 01:00:20.679 than getting from Ireland. 1124 01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:23.719 That's slightly less insane. It's still crazy to go to 1125 01:00:24.000 --> 01:00:27.480 Saint Louis from Toronto to see Dynasty, though, I mean, 1126 01:00:28.519 --> 01:00:30.039 but it's a new pay per view. You never know 1127 01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:35.280 it might be Aw's WrestleMania someday, because yeah, damn yeah 1128 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.760 it wasn't. Although guess what it stuck around because we 1129 01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:41.840 had one last year, and we had one, we had 1130 01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:44.000 one this year. There was a Dynasty this year, is 1131 01:00:44.000 --> 01:00:46.679 that right? Yeah? Oh, my notes, it happened that I 1132 01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:48.960 barely remember. Here's something that happens as we start getting 1133 01:00:48.960 --> 01:00:50.800 more and more pay per views, they all kind of 1134 01:00:50.800 --> 01:00:51.800 start blurring. 1135 01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:56.000 Together, really do, because well, like for a start, I 1136 01:00:56.039 --> 01:01:03.320 wasn't even remembering this stuff that happened at Dynasty one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, 1137 01:01:03.440 --> 01:01:04.119 eight nine. 1138 01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:07.920 We're on nine now, yep, yeah, Dynasty. We get night. 1139 01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:11.559 So only through looking at the list are the details 1140 01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:14.760 of my life coming back to me. So I don't 1141 01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.800 go to Forbidden Door in New York. I'm pretty sure 1142 01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:21.079 that I don't, or should you? I go to All 1143 01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:26.039 In because that is when I'm back from Toronto. So 1144 01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.159 I go to All In at Wembley. Didn't like it. 1145 01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:31.639 Either, really, I think it was a better show, but 1146 01:01:31.679 --> 01:01:34.119 again I watched on TV and less of the very 1147 01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:37.079 annoying stuff we got on the last year's Yeah. 1148 01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:38.920 It was a better show, but I still didn't like 1149 01:01:38.960 --> 01:01:42.440 the experience of watching wrestling in Wembley. I still didn't 1150 01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:45.400 like all that, and I really did not like Wembley 1151 01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.400 until I the next year went to Seaguns and Moses 1152 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:52.800 and Wembley and that cured me of my Wembley driver 1153 01:01:53.119 --> 01:01:57.480 and I vowed to never ever ever go to another 1154 01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:01.079 wrestling show in Wembley. All right, well into this year 1155 01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:04.960 is all in because I made a promise to Axelos 1156 01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.599 that I would never go to wrestling show and Rambley. 1157 01:02:09.920 --> 01:02:13.159 On Tuesday nights, the conversation doesn't stop when nxtnds, it's 1158 01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:15.719 just getting started. I'm Nate Lindberg, and alongside my co 1159 01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:19.119 host Kelly Wells, we bring you PWT Talks NXT. We 1160 01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:21.599 go live on the pw Torch YouTube channel about fifteen 1161 01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:24.639 minutes after the show to break down matches, storylines, and surprises, 1162 01:02:24.679 --> 01:02:26.920 and we take your questions and comments from the live chat. 1163 01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:28.559 Miss us live. But you still want to be part 1164 01:02:28.559 --> 01:02:31.239 of the show, Send your thoughts to PW Torch nxdatgmail 1165 01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:33.559 dot com and catch the replay on YouTube or on 1166 01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:36.239 the PW Torch Daily cast feed. Just search PW Torch 1167 01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:38.840 on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you listen, and of 1168 01:02:38.880 --> 01:02:41.280 course you can always stream the latest shows at PW 1169 01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.639 torch dot com. 1170 01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:45.840 All right, well you ruined my sign off question whether 1171 01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:47.320 or not you're going to all End this year. 1172 01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:51.480 But okay, I'm sorry about that. I'm not. I'm not. Guys, 1173 01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:53.760 all Out happened. 1174 01:02:54.039 --> 01:02:56.679 Now here's what they did. They gave it an extra week. 1175 01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:59.360 Yeah, that's that's nice. 1176 01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:00.920 Still, ma'am. 1177 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.119 I didn't go to that. I think it's like, is 1178 01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.760 this the end of me going to things? It could 1179 01:03:06.920 --> 01:03:09.360 very well be. I think this was it. 1180 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:12.400 Maybe, yeah, because it's Chicago and then they are in 1181 01:03:12.480 --> 01:03:14.719 some like Florida, New Jersey. 1182 01:03:15.519 --> 01:03:18.000 Oh you know what I did go to all Out? 1183 01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:21.159 It was in Chicago. Of course you did. We should 1184 01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:21.480 have known. 1185 01:03:22.360 --> 01:03:25.239 I went to Chicago with my mother at the beginning 1186 01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:28.760 of September, and then the last day of my trip, 1187 01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:31.719 I went to all Out and my mom went home. 1188 01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:33.679 But I was going to Toronto, so we weren't going 1189 01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:38.280 to same places. And anyway, I cannot remember the paper 1190 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:40.280 of you at all. All I remember is I was 1191 01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:43.119 staying at a hotel where some kind of convention was happening. 1192 01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.840 And Eric Bischoff was sitting in the bar and all 1193 01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:50.400 the wrestling fans were asking questions. And then the next 1194 01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:55.239 morning at breakfast, I saw him take more than his 1195 01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:57.599 first shair. I would say, of the little milks that 1196 01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:02.159 you get or little creams, whatever they. 1197 01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:02.679 So he was stealing a bunch of coffee creamers. 1198 01:04:02.679 --> 01:04:05.440 Then I didn't say stealing. 1199 01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:07.920 Well, I mean they're free, you can take as many 1200 01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:10.119 as you want. So I mean I. 1201 01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:12.280 Just remember looking at him going like, this is. 1202 01:04:12.599 --> 01:04:18.360 Well, you know, it's a weird, surreal moment. To be fair, 1203 01:04:18.519 --> 01:04:22.320 that show had two very mivorable to me things. You 1204 01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:24.800 had Hangman and Swerve and a lights out cage match, 1205 01:04:24.840 --> 01:04:29.119 which I hated because I can't stand needles. Needles really 1206 01:04:29.159 --> 01:04:32.920 give me the X. So yeah, and this is also 1207 01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:36.840 Moxley puts a plastic bag over Danielson's head Birth Death 1208 01:04:36.840 --> 01:04:39.679 Writers and kind of ruins the company for the next 1209 01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:40.519 year and a half or so. 1210 01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:43.639 I do have something to say about this, and this 1211 01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:51.239 is such, this is such an annoying like inside Baseball media, 1212 01:04:51.320 --> 01:04:56.039 Parson point this. I was just done with the press 1213 01:04:56.079 --> 01:05:01.719 experience after all out because because I think that Tony 1214 01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:05.519 had always because these these bloody pressers that he does 1215 01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:08.880 that are streamed on YouTube and everything. They they've always 1216 01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:13.679 been so difficult and they've never been good unless mad 1217 01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:16.480 at one of them, because Tony has this thing where 1218 01:05:16.880 --> 01:05:19.519 one like he wants to tell you that he's more 1219 01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:24.119 open and honest than the competition, right, and in many 1220 01:05:24.199 --> 01:05:28.199 ways he is, but he still does so much of 1221 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:31.159 these in kfab that they are a waste of time 1222 01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:35.840 for every every journalist that goes there. And then and 1223 01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:39.679 the numbers of assay media people going to a w 1224 01:05:40.079 --> 01:05:44.599 pay per views like dropped dramatically, like they they they 1225 01:05:44.639 --> 01:05:47.159 had a drop in quality and then they had a 1226 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:49.719 full drop. Now I don't know where they are now, 1227 01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:53.400 but I think most of the people that valued their 1228 01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:57.519 time realized that these were not valued like good for 1229 01:05:57.559 --> 01:06:00.000 their time wasn't worth the expense of coming to the show. 1230 01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:03.039 They were all like so bad, So much of it 1231 01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:07.280 isn't Tony. I think there's definitely a part of Tony 1232 01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:10.039 Khan's personality where he wants to be the center of 1233 01:06:10.079 --> 01:06:12.920 attention or he wouldn't be sitting out there like he 1234 01:06:12.960 --> 01:06:17.159 wouldn't be because he's unnecessary. But this pay per view, 1235 01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:20.519 I'm pretty sure it was this one. Tony did not 1236 01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:23.880 appear at the presser due to the events that had 1237 01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:27.639 happened on the show. He was like this story they 1238 01:06:27.679 --> 01:06:31.000 told was like you know whoa that was? That was 1239 01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:34.199 so bad? I can't I'm dealing with, you know, the 1240 01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:38.559 fact that Brian was nearly dead or something like whatever. 1241 01:06:38.880 --> 01:06:41.960 Oh, so they really sell it, like we're talking neck 1242 01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:43.599 bracet like football show. 1243 01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:48.239 The next day, they're really selling it. You've got John 1244 01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:54.840 Moxley's wife, Renee doing this posting job that she was 1245 01:06:54.880 --> 01:06:59.480 given because the kind of pr staff were like, Renee 1246 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:03.400 gets this hosting job after the fiasco at World's End 1247 01:07:04.079 --> 01:07:08.880 involving Tony and the questions being asked of him at 1248 01:07:08.920 --> 01:07:12.719 that first World's End, Right, So after that, Renee is 1249 01:07:12.760 --> 01:07:16.159 given a hosting job, but she happens to be married 1250 01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:20.360 to man who is now like has done an. 1251 01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:24.119 Attempt at murder, right, And they never they never addressed 1252 01:07:24.119 --> 01:07:27.280 that to today, like it's part of storyline. But she 1253 01:07:27.440 --> 01:07:31.320 never like addresses the horrible things he's constantly doing on 1254 01:07:31.360 --> 01:07:32.719 TV for the next year a half. 1255 01:07:32.960 --> 01:07:36.119 It's so stupid. They never should have allowed them to 1256 01:07:36.159 --> 01:07:40.800 be married on stream a screen because it never works. 1257 01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:43.360 It makes you wonder like what he's like as a 1258 01:07:43.440 --> 01:07:45.840 character at home. I mean in the case of like 1259 01:07:46.000 --> 01:07:49.400 she's just terrified. You know, she's married to this madman. 1260 01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:53.760 So you get Tony not appearing, and I remember speaking 1261 01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:56.920 to one person at the show and I'll just I'll 1262 01:07:56.920 --> 01:07:59.760 not name them, but them saying like like how much 1263 01:07:59.800 --> 01:08:02.199 they spent coming there and everything, and like for Tony 1264 01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:05.079 to just say he's not doing the presser, I'm pretty 1265 01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:06.760 sure the real reason he didn't do it was he 1266 01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:08.880 had to fly to the UK for like a football 1267 01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.840 the next day, and it was just all so shitty, 1268 01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:14.199 and I think at that point I was just like, 1269 01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:16.840 you know, this might be my last draw with all 1270 01:08:16.880 --> 01:08:19.640 of it, with like trying to cover aw and all 1271 01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:22.399 that other stuff, because it was just it has just 1272 01:08:22.439 --> 01:08:26.039 gotten too bad. And like that was just really crappy. 1273 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:29.640 And for those keeping track, buys are now we're down 1274 01:08:29.680 --> 01:08:32.760 into like one hundred and five or one hundred and 1275 01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:34.600 five and one hundred and ten for the rest of 1276 01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:37.840 the years. So but not only is Creative kind of 1277 01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:41.279 going downhill and the buys are going down, but yeah, 1278 01:08:41.319 --> 01:08:45.720 things are this is where things start swinging downward unfortunately. Yeah, 1279 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:49.079 but they stick with nine pay per views for the year. 1280 01:08:49.439 --> 01:08:52.680 Anyways, Yeah, we I mean we end up we end 1281 01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:57.680 up finishing the year with Wrestle Dream again in the 1282 01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:00.680 same kind of area. Am I right, isn't it in 1283 01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:01.119 this time? 1284 01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:03.279 Is that it's basically Seattle? Yeah? 1285 01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:06.079 Yeah, so, I mean he. 1286 01:09:06.199 --> 01:09:07.760 Loved Seattle apparently. I just don't know. 1287 01:09:07.880 --> 01:09:12.279 It's so adamant about him having to be honored in Seattle. 1288 01:09:12.479 --> 01:09:15.720 Full Gear they do in New York, New Jersey, at 1289 01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:19.159 a venue that they had done for Full Gear, either 1290 01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:21.399 the year before or two years before, because I have 1291 01:09:21.560 --> 01:09:23.319 been to that venue to see a full Gear. 1292 01:09:23.600 --> 01:09:26.079 Yes, it was twenty twenty two where they had Full 1293 01:09:26.119 --> 01:09:30.720 Gear there where they had twelve thousand attendance twenty twenty four. 1294 01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:32.720 I believe it is one we're talking about where they 1295 01:09:32.760 --> 01:09:35.479 have ten thousands. We're down like two thousand, which is 1296 01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:37.119 actually not as bad as I would have guessed, but 1297 01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:39.880 they still have This is crazy because like aew, like 1298 01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:42.239 we're talking kind of on a downswing. Their numbers are down, 1299 01:09:42.520 --> 01:09:45.760 they still have like a reputation of still delivering good 1300 01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:48.279 pay per view, especially pay per view matches. 1301 01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:54.039 I mean, these shows are not bad bad bad bad shows. 1302 01:09:54.439 --> 01:09:56.960 They can be bad in the context of an aw show. 1303 01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:01.600 But they always do have, you know, good remutation, and 1304 01:10:01.920 --> 01:10:05.399 they all their by rates are always pretty good. 1305 01:10:05.720 --> 01:10:08.079 Right, even the bad ones are down like a hundred, 1306 01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:10.199 they're never under one hundred thousand. And if you figure 1307 01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:12.680 fifty dollars times one hundred thousand, I'm not a mathematician, 1308 01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.159 but that's like what five million dollars. Yeah, that's not bad. 1309 01:10:15.199 --> 01:10:17.239 That's not a bad turnaround. Yeah. So of course they 1310 01:10:17.359 --> 01:10:19.680 end this year with World's End. That's how we end 1311 01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:22.119 the shows now, even closer to Christmas. I'm twenty eighth 1312 01:10:22.199 --> 01:10:25.960 this year, like three days after Christmas in Florida. I 1313 01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:27.560 don't remember any of this. I looked at I look 1314 01:10:27.560 --> 01:10:30.279 it up. I'm like, okay, this is where o'catta wins 1315 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:33.479 the Continental Classic. Not a lot going on there. 1316 01:10:33.720 --> 01:10:38.840 No, So we don't get any additions in twenty twenty five, correct. 1317 01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:40.680 We don't. We remain at nine. 1318 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:44.319 Yes, and we don't get the all in in London. 1319 01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:46.079 We get it in Texas. 1320 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:47.239 That is correct. 1321 01:10:47.960 --> 01:10:52.319 And I did not go to a single wrestling show 1322 01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:56.319 that year, the first since twenty twenty one. They'd finally 1323 01:10:56.319 --> 01:10:59.560 broken me and I'd stop. So I don't think I 1324 01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:02.479 have a great deal to say about twenty twenty five 1325 01:11:03.039 --> 01:11:06.640 in the year other than we are just looking at 1326 01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:11.079 a fuller peop of UCAP calendar has now been established, 1327 01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:12.039 right and even. 1328 01:11:11.960 --> 01:11:13.640 Though a lot of it still runs together, like the 1329 01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:17.239 year starts with Revolution, which is still a good show. 1330 01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:19.720 That's where you have the Osprey and Fletcher cage match 1331 01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:22.720 and Tony Storm and Ryan May's Hollywood ending, which we've 1332 01:11:22.760 --> 01:11:25.079 talked about it being insane that that was not the 1333 01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:27.199 main event, but that was I remember that made a 1334 01:11:27.199 --> 01:11:29.680 good Revolution and then yeah, a lot of these really 1335 01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:32.079 start to run together, like once we get the twenty 1336 01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:35.600 twenty five like all the way through. So yeah, Forbidden Door, 1337 01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:37.279 so you you didn't go to anything. I haven't been 1338 01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:39.479 any of these. For mid Door was in London in 1339 01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:42.119 August last year. I assume you didn't go to that. No, 1340 01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:44.199 not a lot of this is kind of where we 1341 01:11:44.239 --> 01:11:48.279 landed on our crossover episode, like Forbidden Door unnecessary completely 1342 01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:48.880 at this point. 1343 01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:51.840 Yeah, there was a novelty to doing it in London, 1344 01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:54.720 but I guess that was just to give the UK something. 1345 01:11:55.119 --> 01:12:00.039 But like they do it in London, which is the 1346 01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:03.119 city where they've had the all ans could you have 1347 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:07.520 done that in Manchester for the people from the north 1348 01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:11.880 of the country or Scotland or Wales, or you could 1349 01:12:11.880 --> 01:12:14.279 have jumped over the water and done it somewhere in 1350 01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:17.399 Europe like Ireland where I live, or you could have 1351 01:12:17.399 --> 01:12:19.960 gone to mainland Europe, like France or something. But like, 1352 01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:21.439 let's just do it in London. Why not? 1353 01:12:21.600 --> 01:12:24.880 Yeah? No, they they loved London apparently. I guess they 1354 01:12:24.920 --> 01:12:27.279 were so mad that they did Ireland. They did all 1355 01:12:27.359 --> 01:12:29.600 In in Arlington, Texas, that they had to go back 1356 01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:33.119 to London immediately. All In for the record in twenty 1357 01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:36.479 twenty five is where Hangman Bey wins the title from 1358 01:12:36.479 --> 01:12:39.840 Moxley last year, and this is this does really good 1359 01:12:39.880 --> 01:12:42.800 numbers and then like our by rates start swinging back 1360 01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:44.760 up from the one tens and one to fifteens to 1361 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:49.279 like one twenty All out in Toronto where they actually 1362 01:12:49.279 --> 01:12:53.560 skipped Chicago last year actually Thered one hundred and thirty seven. 1363 01:12:53.680 --> 01:12:56.319 And then Wrestle Dream, which is in Saint Louis, so 1364 01:12:56.319 --> 01:12:58.800 they go back to Saint Louis does one hundred and twenty. 1365 01:12:58.880 --> 01:13:02.079 So in general last year numbers started going back up 1366 01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:05.640 right after Moxley finally lost the title. And the death 1367 01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:08.840 writers were kind of no longer running the show. I 1368 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:11.039 don't think that's a concidence. I think that is. 1369 01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:13.880 A creative It's not it's not the show to go 1370 01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:20.840 into that, but the entire arc of evil Indestructible Moxley 1371 01:13:20.920 --> 01:13:24.600 with the title and a briefcase No, not for me, 1372 01:13:25.239 --> 01:13:26.119 but you know. 1373 01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:28.319 I mean that is still going on technically. 1374 01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:33.119 I that man, really I am. 1375 01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:34.880 I like mox I was a big fan. I was 1376 01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:37.800 excited when he started AW but he is wearing on 1377 01:13:37.920 --> 01:13:39.159 me at this point. 1378 01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:42.399 I have gone right off him, to be honest, like 1379 01:13:43.520 --> 01:13:48.800 John Hogan, he is like it's too much. It's too much, 1380 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:51.960 and I don't know. I would love to know. I 1381 01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:54.359 would love to know more about him because I have 1382 01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:57.840 I have a lot of thoughts. But it feels like 1383 01:13:58.439 --> 01:14:02.479 that Tony, I know that he's kind of like the 1384 01:14:02.560 --> 01:14:04.560 one guy that could just be like, f this, I'm 1385 01:14:04.600 --> 01:14:07.159 going home. So he just lets him do whatever. 1386 01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:11.119 That seems to be exactly how they have their creative 1387 01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:13.199 around Moxley setup is just yet do whatever you want. 1388 01:14:13.479 --> 01:14:15.359 Try to stay away from the world title. Now, although 1389 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:18.439 we're going into all End this year with Omega and 1390 01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:21.479 Osprey and Moxley is still a giant part of it. 1391 01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:25.439 Well, shall we get Intoto this year, because. 1392 01:14:25.520 --> 01:14:28.520 Yeah, we can make it to a modern day, because god, 1393 01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:30.520 we thought nine was rough. 1394 01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:33.560 So what happens this year? What do they add this year? 1395 01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:37.640 Well? See this year, Stephanie, they add Redemption and that 1396 01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:40.439 is a news show that they put on in Canada. 1397 01:14:40.880 --> 01:14:43.520 And the thing with Redemption is, first of all, even 1398 01:14:43.560 --> 01:14:46.920 though dynasty or dynasty and like some of the names 1399 01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:50.079 are question but like Redemption is like apropos of nothing. 1400 01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:53.119 It has nothing to do with anything and sounds like 1401 01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:55.439 six other things. It sounds like Revolution, which was a 1402 01:14:55.439 --> 01:14:58.760 couple of months ago, and like I think people like 1403 01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:00.880 even like out on with Way and he kept calling 1404 01:15:00.880 --> 01:15:04.439 it something else like retribution or something like it's not 1405 01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:05.920 a good name for a pay per view and does 1406 01:15:05.960 --> 01:15:06.880 it relate to anything? 1407 01:15:07.000 --> 01:15:08.680 Can I just jump in there? 1408 01:15:09.159 --> 01:15:09.800 Yes? Please? 1409 01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:13.319 That I what I'm what I'm doing in my free 1410 01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:16.800 time instead of writing about or talking about wrestling, or 1411 01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:22.399 attending wrestling or anything like, this is writing writing a 1412 01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:26.760 novel and it's not about wrestling, but involves wrestling. And 1413 01:15:26.920 --> 01:15:30.560 while doing this I had to think of event names 1414 01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:36.119 and Redemption is so close to the name to names 1415 01:15:36.119 --> 01:15:38.880 that I came up with, but I was doing like 1416 01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:43.079 just one word things that it makes me worry that 1417 01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:45.840 Tony's gonna think of some names that I and I'm 1418 01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:48.039 not going to say how I got the names that 1419 01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:55.279 I thought of, but like Redemption, honestly, to me, feels 1420 01:15:55.319 --> 01:15:58.239 like a show that w W should have had, should 1421 01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:02.880 have after WrestleMania. It's very like backlash, right right, That's 1422 01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:06.399 what it feels like before the big show instead of after. 1423 01:16:06.920 --> 01:16:09.079 It seemed, and a lot of people have speculated that 1424 01:16:09.159 --> 01:16:12.439 it was set up to be Kenny Omega's Redemption coming 1425 01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:15.000 back from his doubt and winning the title, except for 1426 01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:17.800 they moved that match up two weeks and he wins 1427 01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:22.720 the title on Dynamite, thereby making this show completely It 1428 01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:27.319 was arguably already unnecessary, but without the Omega and MJF 1429 01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:29.920 to like hold it down, it was like maybe the 1430 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:32.920 most unnecessary pay per view ever save for maybe a 1431 01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:36.159 Forbidden Door, which are also irrelevant, but like, well, you 1432 01:16:36.199 --> 01:16:38.800 didn't order it. I didn't order it, that's too. Forbidden 1433 01:16:38.800 --> 01:16:41.159 Door and Redemption are the only two of this year's 1434 01:16:41.199 --> 01:16:43.159 pay per views that I have not watched in the 1435 01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:44.079 history of AAW. 1436 01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:47.880 I think that now that we have the complete scope 1437 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:51.119 of all the AW pay per views and we've built, 1438 01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:55.199 we've built on the year to year, and we've finally 1439 01:16:55.279 --> 01:16:59.479 landed on Redemption, the most recent edition that let's hope 1440 01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:02.199 is a lot edition, but at least for our conversation, 1441 01:17:02.319 --> 01:17:06.760 it is. I think we can nicely segue this into 1442 01:17:06.800 --> 01:17:10.960 talking about show length and matches, because I think that 1443 01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:14.119 that is a good conversation to have when you look 1444 01:17:14.159 --> 01:17:18.239 at a show like Redemption, because to me, this felt 1445 01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:21.560 like an extremely pointless show. And that is to say 1446 01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:24.479 that all the matches were bad. They were not. But 1447 01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:28.880 this could have been a dynamite. This all a dynamite. 1448 01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:30.880 It's the equivalent of this meeting could have been an 1449 01:17:30.880 --> 01:17:32.640 email like this could have just been a dynamite. It 1450 01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:33.720 would have been a good dynamite. 1451 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:36.479 And I don't want to be constantly saying things that 1452 01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:38.920 I don't like that Tony Kann does because it feels 1453 01:17:39.000 --> 01:17:41.560 like I have a personal vendata against him, but it 1454 01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:44.800 just I don't. It's just he's the owner, so the 1455 01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:47.800 buck has to stop with him. But the thing that 1456 01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:52.359 he says and acts like that annoys me the most. 1457 01:17:52.720 --> 01:17:57.159 Other than his treatment of women is when he calls 1458 01:17:57.239 --> 01:18:01.159 his pay per views value for money because they're so long, 1459 01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:05.359 and he has always stuck by this idea of that 1460 01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:08.079 his pay per views, they give you so much value 1461 01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:11.640 for money. I find that so offensive, Like that is 1462 01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:16.880 just like a really rich person's idea of like we 1463 01:18:17.039 --> 01:18:20.359 will take absolute slop as long as we get lots 1464 01:18:20.359 --> 01:18:22.920 of it, so it's not a waste of our money 1465 01:18:22.960 --> 01:18:27.520 because we're so per It's like all these pay per views, 1466 01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:30.279 I'm pretty sure like the same prize. But it's like 1467 01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:32.399 like last week I went to see The Odyssey in 1468 01:18:32.439 --> 01:18:35.960 the cinema. Right now, if I go next week to 1469 01:18:36.079 --> 01:18:39.560 see some like ninety minute loalm com, I'm not going 1470 01:18:39.640 --> 01:18:42.279 to be there going, hey man, I want a refund 1471 01:18:42.319 --> 01:18:44.760 because the film I saw last week was three hours 1472 01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:48.359 and I've been ripped off, you know, like that's not 1473 01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:51.880 how people feel. Like the pay per views are our 1474 01:18:51.960 --> 01:18:54.840 pay per views and giving you over five hours of 1475 01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:59.439 it instead of like the standard three, which it should be. Right, 1476 01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:04.199 it's too much, and it makes and those matches, each 1477 01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:06.439 of those matches were so long, like they were all 1478 01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:08.800 like hit in like sixteen eighteen. 1479 01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:14.359 Minutes, right, unnecessarily long twenty five of TOMASO and uh also, 1480 01:19:14.600 --> 01:19:16.319 I know we just said that wasn't a bad show, 1481 01:19:16.359 --> 01:19:18.479 that was an awful match, that was horrible. 1482 01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:20.359 I would have been so mad if I paid money 1483 01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:22.279 and watched that for twenty five minutes straight, I would 1484 01:19:22.279 --> 01:19:23.840 have probably turned the show off and just went the bit. 1485 01:19:25.720 --> 01:19:28.479 Before pushing play on the way Keller Pro Wrestling post shows, 1486 01:19:28.560 --> 01:19:31.079 check out pw torch dot com and our TV review 1487 01:19:31.119 --> 01:19:34.000 section and skim through a full rundown of the TV 1488 01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:35.640 show if you didn't see it. 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You're home for live TV 1492 01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:48.399 coverage every Monday, Wednesday and Friday with my TV reports, 1493 01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:50.439 and also check out our NXT and Impact coverage on 1494 01:19:50.479 --> 01:19:53.319 Tuesdays and Thursdays, our Collision reports on Saturday nights, and 1495 01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:55.399 of course our live pay per view and PLEE coverage 1496 01:19:55.560 --> 01:20:00.119 on weekends, all waiting for you at pw torch dot com. 1497 01:20:00.640 --> 01:20:03.199 But I think that when you say that the shows 1498 01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:05.720 are too long, like you'll always have people coming back 1499 01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:08.039 at you saying like no, like, no, they're not and 1500 01:20:08.159 --> 01:20:11.800 they believe in the Tony Kahn value for moneything. I 1501 01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:15.079 truly do not believe that anyone that says they're not 1502 01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:17.840 too long believes that in their heart. 1503 01:20:18.119 --> 01:20:21.319 I really think it's some of the repeat of like 1504 01:20:21.399 --> 01:20:23.640 aw fantoxic positivity stuff. 1505 01:20:23.760 --> 01:20:29.479 It's and when you're not watching them live, like you know, 1506 01:20:29.920 --> 01:20:32.399 so I wasn't going to stay up and watch this 1507 01:20:32.600 --> 01:20:37.279 because I'm over here, so like Beno is in Vietnam right, 1508 01:20:37.359 --> 01:20:40.159 so he's not watching them live. And the next morning 1509 01:20:40.199 --> 01:20:42.880 he messaged me and was like, nothing worse than looking 1510 01:20:42.920 --> 01:20:45.359 at the runtime ahead of you when you love on 1511 01:20:45.640 --> 01:20:49.960 MIAW after not having watched it live. And I agree, 1512 01:20:50.000 --> 01:20:53.840 like it's so daunting as well. It's like picking up 1513 01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:56.640 a massive book that you know you have to read, 1514 01:20:56.680 --> 01:21:00.399 like a really one. And in saying that, like I mean, 1515 01:21:00.760 --> 01:21:03.920 I am prone to buy in a lot of books, 1516 01:21:04.239 --> 01:21:07.039 and usually in my local bookstart store they are all 1517 01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:09.680 nine ninety nine, no matter how long they are. But 1518 01:21:09.800 --> 01:21:12.239 Tony just thinks that like per people like us can't 1519 01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:13.800 deal with that, you. 1520 01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:17.159 Know, it is insane, and also like you know, the 1521 01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:19.520 reason I haven't been to see the honesty is because 1522 01:21:19.560 --> 01:21:20.960 it's three hours, and I don't want to sit in 1523 01:21:20.960 --> 01:21:22.800 there in a theater for three hours, just like I 1524 01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:24.399 don't want to sit and watch a wrestling pay per 1525 01:21:24.479 --> 01:21:25.840 view for five hours. 1526 01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:29.039 And what's assuring test like it really is. 1527 01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:31.159 Well, especially in the theater, Like I have to go 1528 01:21:31.199 --> 01:21:33.279 to the bathroom at some point. It's just that's how 1529 01:21:33.319 --> 01:21:36.560 the body works. And I'm getting older. But also, like Tony, 1530 01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:38.840 they started it doesn't matter because you weren't watching it alive, 1531 01:21:38.840 --> 01:21:41.239 but they started this pay per view an hour earlier, 1532 01:21:41.479 --> 01:21:43.800 and I'm like, at first, I'm like, oh, that's great, 1533 01:21:43.880 --> 01:21:45.439 I can get the bet. And I'm like, no, oh 1534 01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:47.319 my god, I know what they're gonna do. They're gonna 1535 01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:49.199 think they have an extra hour to screw around with, 1536 01:21:49.359 --> 01:21:51.319 and damn if, isn't that exactly what they did. And 1537 01:21:51.319 --> 01:21:53.079 that's what Tony actually said. He said it out in 1538 01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:55.359 the posto thing. He's like, oh, yeah, we started an 1539 01:21:55.399 --> 01:21:57.000 hour early so I can make sure I would get 1540 01:21:57.000 --> 01:21:59.039 out by midnight. I'm like, you weren't sure you were 1541 01:21:59.039 --> 01:22:00.880 gonna get out by midnight if you started to eat. 1542 01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:03.319 That's a problem. 1543 01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:06.880 That is an insane And when you look like so 1544 01:22:06.920 --> 01:22:09.600 for me going to see the Odyssey, just like when 1545 01:22:09.640 --> 01:22:12.439 I went to see the first Wicked film two. I 1546 01:22:12.520 --> 01:22:16.880 was actually proud of myself when I left for sitting 1547 01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:20.520 through it and actually just watching it, right. And I 1548 01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:24.199 enjoyed both of those movies immensely, but I was quite 1549 01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:27.159 daunted by the three hours you know before I went 1550 01:22:27.199 --> 01:22:29.600 to see them. So when I saw them both, and 1551 01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:31.600 I was like, whoa, I you know, I sat there 1552 01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:34.000 for three hours because I am a bit like I 1553 01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:35.880 like to get up up and down, you know, as 1554 01:22:35.920 --> 01:22:40.680 you know, right, But like I really think that like 1555 01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:44.399 for all his you know, saying that it's value for 1556 01:22:44.479 --> 01:22:50.399 money on whatever, he he stole people's money this month 1557 01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:56.600 like he did because that pay per view was unnecessary 1558 01:22:57.359 --> 01:23:00.840 and people paid for that. Now is that not just 1559 01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:02.399 being greedy? 1560 01:23:02.479 --> 01:23:05.399 Right? That's not value for money. That's like, like you said, 1561 01:23:05.399 --> 01:23:07.760 it's like a really bad buffet. It's like, but you 1562 01:23:07.840 --> 01:23:10.439 have so much of it, like but no, it's no good. 1563 01:23:10.720 --> 01:23:13.399 Like a lot of something you don't want is not value. 1564 01:23:13.560 --> 01:23:15.520 It's just a lot of some it's just too much. 1565 01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:18.439 And I don't know if he's ever like every single 1566 01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:21.439 like review of that show, like weighed on the post 1567 01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:24.319 show roundtable. Everybody's just like this is too long. That 1568 01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:27.119 is the first thing everybody says about every aw paper 1569 01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:28.800 you after it. And I agree with you that anyone 1570 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:31.960 who doesn't think it's too long is either disingenuous or 1571 01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:34.760 just loves wrestling more than I could ever imagine in 1572 01:23:34.800 --> 01:23:35.640 my entire life. 1573 01:23:35.680 --> 01:23:40.159 But Tony has He has no concept of the idea 1574 01:23:40.479 --> 01:23:45.119 of one of off experiences or rare experiences or something 1575 01:23:45.199 --> 01:23:48.119 like that. And I think with the show's being too long, 1576 01:23:48.399 --> 01:23:52.079 you know, that's probably fine if you're a billionaire and 1577 01:23:52.119 --> 01:23:55.760 you have like every convenience to you, you know, like 1578 01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:59.520 like you know, like anything like that. And he doesn't 1579 01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:03.760 understand if you take something like, for example, when Taylor 1580 01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:07.760 Swift did the Eras Tour and her shows on the 1581 01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:11.159 Ears Tour were like over three hours long, and that's 1582 01:24:11.199 --> 01:24:14.640 a really long time for a concert, but no one 1583 01:24:15.000 --> 01:24:19.600 complained about that because that was a one time. 1584 01:24:19.800 --> 01:24:22.399 Thing, right, That's like a once in a lifetime experience. 1585 01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:26.039 Yeah, so you go to that and you know it's 1586 01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:28.159 going to be really long, and you're prepared for it 1587 01:24:28.199 --> 01:24:32.159 and you're getting everything. So the idea was like total 1588 01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:36.000 servicing of the paying fans. Who spent a lot of 1589 01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:40.119 money and they got that. If that was every month 1590 01:24:41.640 --> 01:24:45.079 you were expected to go through that, I think by 1591 01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:49.039 the end by a couple of months, people for like, please, no, 1592 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:52.079 we don't need it for so long. But Tony wouldn't 1593 01:24:52.119 --> 01:24:54.600 have a concept of that, because when you're someone like 1594 01:24:54.640 --> 01:24:58.399 Tony Kan, if you wanted to go to like twenty 1595 01:24:58.560 --> 01:25:02.479 ears tour shows, you could right never have the and 1596 01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:05.039 if you want it to go to one for like 1597 01:25:05.239 --> 01:25:08.680 half an hour, go for a walk around, then buy 1598 01:25:08.680 --> 01:25:11.680 another ticket to get back in like you could. But 1599 01:25:12.640 --> 01:25:16.359 it's like he probably has no like genuine concept of 1600 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:21.920 Christmas or birthdays, like he celebrates them, but he doesn't 1601 01:25:21.960 --> 01:25:25.119 have the concept like you or I would have of 1602 01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:31.840 getting gifts and it being like rare. Everything has to 1603 01:25:31.880 --> 01:25:34.039 be like, let's do it again, Let's do. 1604 01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:37.199 It again, let's. 1605 01:25:35.840 --> 01:25:38.079 Do it again, let's do the same. Please, let's recreate 1606 01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:40.159 the whole thing again. Oh my god, and let's make. 1607 01:25:40.039 --> 01:25:44.640 It so long, right. He acts like he respects your money, 1608 01:25:45.039 --> 01:25:48.640 but he doesn't really, and he definitely does not respect 1609 01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:49.079 your time. 1610 01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:51.520 He does not respect your time. I think it might 1611 01:25:51.560 --> 01:25:54.399 be too far to say he doesn't respect you, because 1612 01:25:54.399 --> 01:25:57.600 I know he's not, and he's not like an an 1613 01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:00.640 evil billionaire. Like he's an evil billion in the sense 1614 01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:03.840 of that there's no ethical billionaire like at all, and 1615 01:26:03.920 --> 01:26:06.119 there's no way you can be that and it's just 1616 01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:09.439 wrong to be that. Right, But he's not like an 1617 01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:14.279 Elon Musk figure. But at the same time, he's definitely 1618 01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:18.199 slightly looking down on us, even if it's subconsciously by 1619 01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:21.159 thinking that we just want to be like fed and 1620 01:26:21.199 --> 01:26:23.239 fed as much candy as possible. 1621 01:26:23.479 --> 01:26:26.199 Right, Right, he's not an evil billionaire, but he's like 1622 01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:30.399 a clueless billionaire that doesn't understand the world. Here's what 1623 01:26:30.439 --> 01:26:32.640 I'll say, though, as dante as it can be, to 1624 01:26:32.760 --> 01:26:35.640 look at the runtime of some of these, you know 1625 01:26:35.800 --> 01:26:39.239 it's going to be packed full of mostly good matches. 1626 01:26:39.439 --> 01:26:41.760 Like if I see a four hour runtime on a 1627 01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:43.960 WWE pay per view and I'm trying to catch up 1628 01:26:43.960 --> 01:26:45.920 on guess what, It's going to take me about an 1629 01:26:46.000 --> 01:26:48.560 hour and a half to watch that whole damn thing. Tops. Yeah, 1630 01:26:48.600 --> 01:26:50.600 that's and I don't even have to pass forward through matches, 1631 01:26:50.840 --> 01:26:53.279 but just going through the ads, you're good, You'll be 1632 01:26:53.319 --> 01:26:55.359 caught up immediately. So I will give him. I'll give 1633 01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:57.079 aw that's what you can expect that of an AW 1634 01:26:57.199 --> 01:27:00.000 pay per view is too many matches that go too long, 1635 01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:02.880 but generally they are all high quality. Some of them 1636 01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:06.319 are completely unnecessary, sure, but there's a reason, like we 1637 01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:08.199 said this going into it, like they still have a 1638 01:27:08.239 --> 01:27:11.039 reputation of like they always deliver on pay per view. 1639 01:27:11.079 --> 01:27:13.279 They always the wrestlers always bring it, even when the 1640 01:27:13.279 --> 01:27:17.439 storylines going into them are bad or uninspired, like even 1641 01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:20.479 this a redemption which was a garbage waste paper view, 1642 01:27:20.520 --> 01:27:23.039 like most of the matches were still quite good. 1643 01:27:23.479 --> 01:27:26.920 Yeah, that's the thing, Like, that's why they are able 1644 01:27:27.199 --> 01:27:29.760 to persuade people to buy the pay per views even 1645 01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:35.680 when attendance is done. AW does have like the best 1646 01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:40.159 assembled roster, but there's just too many all this roster, 1647 01:27:40.359 --> 01:27:42.720 Like they probably have the best roster. Ever, if you 1648 01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:45.560 got rid of like half of them, like you really 1649 01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:48.479 need to get rid of a lot of people, and 1650 01:27:48.520 --> 01:27:52.479 those the pay per views, they would be there's some 1651 01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:56.680 of them that are absolute all timers, but they'd have 1652 01:27:56.760 --> 01:28:00.399 more chance of more feeling like that if there was 1653 01:28:00.520 --> 01:28:05.840 least matches, because they have rewatchability today. I started rewatching 1654 01:28:06.520 --> 01:28:11.119 Unforgiven nineteen ninety eight for a guest spot I'm doing 1655 01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:17.239 on the Beno on Halmflet podcast, And I watched the 1656 01:28:17.359 --> 01:28:20.359 VHS version, and my god, I had to fix this 1657 01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:25.039 VHS because it like I've had it for like twenty years. 1658 01:28:24.760 --> 01:28:26.720 More than I had to like mess with the tracking. 1659 01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:31.119 Yeah, and I just had this thought of, like how 1660 01:28:31.159 --> 01:28:34.800 many times I've watched this show or last time we spoke, 1661 01:28:34.920 --> 01:28:37.520 I was talking about Sumwher Slam ninety eight, right, And 1662 01:28:37.800 --> 01:28:42.000 I just can't imagine, especially the way this world is 1663 01:28:42.319 --> 01:28:45.600 that like any any kid, any version of me that 1664 01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:51.880 exists now popping in their AW Redemption six hour, loading 1665 01:28:51.920 --> 01:28:55.119 that one up and watching it on a constant the 1666 01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:58.399 way that you could do with those three hour or 1667 01:28:58.520 --> 01:29:02.239 just under three hour Classic Attitude ARA pay per views. 1668 01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:05.199 Yeah, well that's the thing, Like I it, We're seven 1669 01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:07.520 years in. I've watched all but the last two pay 1670 01:29:07.520 --> 01:29:10.279 per views live. I have never once gone back and 1671 01:29:10.319 --> 01:29:12.800 watched an entire pay per view. I've popped back to 1672 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:14.960 watch a match here and there, but I've never like 1673 01:29:15.039 --> 01:29:17.720 sat through another AW pay per view for a second time. 1674 01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:21.800 What would be the point of that, I know, because 1675 01:29:22.000 --> 01:29:23.920 they don't have I don't know, they don't have like 1676 01:29:24.079 --> 01:29:26.479 a lot of big moments, Like we're mostly talking about 1677 01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:29.800 big matches, right, really good matches, not even big matches, 1678 01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:31.720 but they don't have a lot of those like big 1679 01:29:32.079 --> 01:29:34.560 like memorable moments to stick in your mind. The thing 1680 01:29:34.600 --> 01:29:36.840 they do get a light or they try to, is 1681 01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:39.119 they tried to have they try to do the big debuts. 1682 01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:42.000 So you had like the Brian and Danielson debuts. You 1683 01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:45.680 remember when they advertised beforehand the mystery signing and it 1684 01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:48.520 was Christian. That was kind of a flop of a debut. 1685 01:29:48.560 --> 01:29:50.399 But the concept, it seems like Tony really likes to 1686 01:29:50.439 --> 01:29:53.760 have his debuts and big returns. Also another kind of 1687 01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:56.439 thing about aw pay per view. But gosh, I'm trying 1688 01:29:56.479 --> 01:29:58.119 to think, do they have any of those big returns 1689 01:29:58.159 --> 01:29:59.239 at Redemption or Big? 1690 01:29:59.479 --> 01:30:04.159 No? And maybe they are switching to doing stuff like 1691 01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:07.880 that on TV now to help the TV readings, But 1692 01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:11.520 they did not. They did not at Redemption. Was it 1693 01:30:11.560 --> 01:30:13.800 the pay per view before that? The j White return? 1694 01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:17.079 Because he did he wrestled on Redemption, but did he 1695 01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:18.600 return at the previous pay per view? 1696 01:30:19.039 --> 01:30:21.000 Yeah? If I could, and I don't know if you 1697 01:30:21.079 --> 01:30:23.159 can keep it up, but it has not been great 1698 01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:26.159 use of Jye. It's about what you expect. 1699 01:30:26.239 --> 01:30:29.840 Unfortunately it never is. Tony will never understand the greatness. 1700 01:30:30.840 --> 01:30:34.000 Yeah no, he thinks putting him at a feud with 1701 01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:37.159 other former Bullet Club guys is the ticket. That's it. 1702 01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:40.079 Everybody love Bullet Club and they want to see old 1703 01:30:40.119 --> 01:30:42.560 Bullet Club against old Bullet Club and that's what they get. 1704 01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:44.800 And now they don't know what to do with Jy. 1705 01:30:44.880 --> 01:30:48.199 It's he is like maybe the worst used wrestler in 1706 01:30:48.279 --> 01:30:49.319 any major company. 1707 01:30:49.399 --> 01:30:51.920 Well, he had a terrible match of Redemption. 1708 01:30:52.439 --> 01:30:54.680 Yeah no, that's a bad, bad, bad match, which is 1709 01:30:54.720 --> 01:30:57.119 crazy because him and Juice have had very good tag 1710 01:30:57.119 --> 01:30:57.720 matches before. 1711 01:30:58.279 --> 01:31:01.720 He was in the ring with pretty much his real 1712 01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:06.000 life best friends, you know, Finley being one of his 1713 01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:09.600 genuine like best friends in life and obviously ju Since 1714 01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:13.439 that's true, and it really didn't go well. The gimmick 1715 01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:17.479 of it, the concept of it seemed quite ridiculous. With 1716 01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:20.159 the way the match went. It wasn't didn't need to 1717 01:31:20.199 --> 01:31:23.680 have it. They didn't. They didn't do any blood or 1718 01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:27.039 extreme violence. And then later in the night another match 1719 01:31:27.600 --> 01:31:31.880 went way extreme on the violence, yes, and it just 1720 01:31:31.920 --> 01:31:34.399 felt like the odds respective against him. He also nearly 1721 01:31:34.479 --> 01:31:36.560 died taking a bump too, because. 1722 01:31:36.319 --> 01:31:39.279 Well he has not been on TV since, so hopefully 1723 01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:43.199 he's not actually out again, but he's been off TV. 1724 01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:46.840 Yeah. 1725 01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:50.760 Hey everyone, long time PW George commis Sean Radikin here 1726 01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:53.560 to let you know. I've rebamped and renewed the Ratticant 1727 01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:58.159 Worldwide podcast for twenty twenty six, a weekly VIP exclusive. 1728 01:31:58.359 --> 01:32:00.920 Every week, I break down four five of the biggest 1729 01:32:00.960 --> 01:32:04.840 trending topics in pro wrestling. I also present my analysis, 1730 01:32:04.920 --> 01:32:08.000 providing insight that helps you understand the story better or 1731 01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:11.319 see it another way. Then maybe is the controversial takeout there? 1732 01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:13.720 Then I bring on a special guest for the second 1733 01:32:13.720 --> 01:32:16.720 half of the podcast. Sometimes it's a wrestler or someone 1734 01:32:16.800 --> 01:32:19.079 else who works in the business. Other times it's a 1735 01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:22.159 guest analyst who brings their specialized point of view out 1736 01:32:22.199 --> 01:32:25.239 a particular key topic in the news. Recent guests have 1737 01:32:25.319 --> 01:32:28.560 included Bronson Reid from WWE and PCO. One of my 1738 01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:31.359 areas of specialty is the Japan wrestling scene, so I 1739 01:32:31.399 --> 01:32:34.319 often cover a big topic from Japan with PW Torch 1740 01:32:34.359 --> 01:32:38.079 his own, Alan Farrell, Kelly Wells, and Chris Lansdell. I 1741 01:32:38.119 --> 01:32:40.359 don't just cover the news. I don't just riff on 1742 01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:42.680 the news or give a standard hot take. I'll bring 1743 01:32:42.720 --> 01:32:45.479 my decades of studying this industry and talking one on 1744 01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:48.920 one with dozens of wrestling promoters to each week's show, 1745 01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:52.319 so you understand not just what's happening, but the context 1746 01:32:52.359 --> 01:32:54.960 of why get ahead of the news, get ahead of 1747 01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:59.960 the pack with Radking worldwide only at PW Torch VIP. 1748 01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:05.079 And I guess some people were saying that that's that's 1749 01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:07.359 the worst aw pay per view match ever. I don't 1750 01:33:07.359 --> 01:33:08.960 think it was. I know what I think was, do 1751 01:33:09.399 --> 01:33:11.039 you is there a match that stands out for you 1752 01:33:11.079 --> 01:33:11.760 it's the worst ever? 1753 01:33:12.760 --> 01:33:15.600 Well, because we're talking recent memory, the very bloody match 1754 01:33:15.640 --> 01:33:19.000 that came shortly after this on Redemption, the Tomaso Jericho 1755 01:33:19.560 --> 01:33:24.239 Circus of Blood and power Tools was I genuinely hated it. Also, 1756 01:33:24.439 --> 01:33:27.680 it was way too long. It's so bad. I watched 1757 01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:30.199 it afterwards and I fast forward through Chucksman. I still 1758 01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:30.680 hated it. 1759 01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:33.920 I like some people did like. 1760 01:33:33.920 --> 01:33:36.319 That much that killed I don't understand. 1761 01:33:37.359 --> 01:33:43.239 I honestly think it's people liking the weapon spots or 1762 01:33:43.319 --> 01:33:46.680 like thinking their innovative and then also being like whoa 1763 01:33:46.840 --> 01:33:51.039 really old, dudet did. 1764 01:33:50.840 --> 01:33:53.720 You see Jericho's face painting looks so awesome. It's not 1765 01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:54.880 at all like a clown. 1766 01:33:54.960 --> 01:33:58.000 To me, it's like it's so bad and it's so lame. 1767 01:33:58.159 --> 01:34:01.920 And then you hear certain people be like, well, this 1768 01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:05.680 was a really good like spoke smoking mirrors match, smoking mirrors. 1769 01:34:05.960 --> 01:34:10.119 You should not need smoke and mirrors, right, you should 1770 01:34:10.119 --> 01:34:13.960 not need that. I could handle smoke and mirrors when 1771 01:34:14.439 --> 01:34:18.760 Sting was doing like a couple of matches a year 1772 01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:22.800 and he was Sting, but like this this thing. But also, 1773 01:34:23.319 --> 01:34:27.880 you can't tell me that taking extremely violent spots like 1774 01:34:27.960 --> 01:34:31.199 this and pushing it more and more is not like 1775 01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:35.640 a mid life crisis type deal going on or three 1776 01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:37.000 quarter life crisis. 1777 01:34:37.439 --> 01:34:40.279 Yeah, what if you need that much smoke and that 1778 01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:43.279 much mirrors, what you actually need is retirement. With all 1779 01:34:43.319 --> 01:34:45.199 the respect senor Jericho. 1780 01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:48.119 I think the worst match in AW pay perview history 1781 01:34:49.000 --> 01:34:52.239 is I forget what show it was, but it was 1782 01:34:52.319 --> 01:34:57.159 the aforementioned. It was Jericho versus Adam Cole. Do you 1783 01:34:57.199 --> 01:34:58.199 remember this match? 1784 01:34:58.800 --> 01:35:01.359 I remember there being very very bad Jericho and Cole. Matt. 1785 01:35:01.399 --> 01:35:03.479 I don't remember where it was, sure it. 1786 01:35:03.359 --> 01:35:05.640 Was at a double or nothing pretty sure it took 1787 01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:13.119 place in Vegas. I remember thinking that, I'm honest to God, 1788 01:35:13.159 --> 01:35:15.399 and I'm not saying they were, because I'm sure they 1789 01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:17.359 were not. I honest to God, thought they were drunk 1790 01:35:17.680 --> 01:35:21.439 at the time watching this match because there were so 1791 01:35:21.640 --> 01:35:26.119 many like misspots fumbling. They were like when two drunks 1792 01:35:26.119 --> 01:35:28.239 try and fight and they're just hugging each other and 1793 01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:32.359 falling over. There was something about this match that was 1794 01:35:32.479 --> 01:35:36.159 so bizarrely bad, and I believe that it got a 1795 01:35:36.239 --> 01:35:41.680 pretty high rating from Dave, but like higher than women's matches, 1796 01:35:42.760 --> 01:35:45.840 and I think it got like higher than it might 1797 01:35:45.880 --> 01:35:47.600 have been like a Jade Cargo match. This might have 1798 01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:49.800 been where like Jade Cargo had a match and then 1799 01:35:49.800 --> 01:35:53.279 she immediately lost her title to Christatlander. And I'm pretty 1800 01:35:53.279 --> 01:35:57.000 sure that this match was rated like higher than like 1801 01:35:57.079 --> 01:36:03.319 that whole thing. And I was just like, because obviously, 1802 01:36:03.520 --> 01:36:07.039 I'm not saying like Jad was not the best wrestler, right, 1803 01:36:07.159 --> 01:36:09.279 but she's going to do like an eight to ten 1804 01:36:09.359 --> 01:36:13.119 minute thing that is far less offensive than what we 1805 01:36:13.159 --> 01:36:15.920 saw of these men fall over. And that was when 1806 01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:20.640 I stopped, like, not even I stopped reading any kind 1807 01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:24.079 of like star rating type thing, not even to disagree 1808 01:36:24.079 --> 01:36:26.399 with them, and like, I just stopped completely because that 1809 01:36:26.840 --> 01:36:31.560 specific match was so bad that it should have been 1810 01:36:32.279 --> 01:36:38.079 ripped to absolute shreds by anyone objectively trying to talk 1811 01:36:38.079 --> 01:36:41.960 about pro wrestling. That was I think objectively a wholerend 1812 01:36:42.039 --> 01:36:45.159 as much with two people who I don't know what 1813 01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:47.359 was wrong with them, but there was something going on there. 1814 01:36:48.039 --> 01:36:51.520 Yeah, I think there's probably some stuff there for a worser, 1815 01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:55.520 better match rating version. Just where we're at with that, 1816 01:36:56.039 --> 01:36:59.520 it's spoiler alert. It's so much worse it used to 1817 01:36:59.520 --> 01:37:01.479 serve a I have no idea what the point of 1818 01:37:01.479 --> 01:37:04.199 these are now, or they're out of control and they 1819 01:37:04.279 --> 01:37:05.319 mean almost nothing. 1820 01:37:05.720 --> 01:37:09.399 I heard some of Meltzer's Redemption mannings. 1821 01:37:09.840 --> 01:37:12.960 Yeah, they should have been mostly like threes and forest tops. 1822 01:37:13.680 --> 01:37:16.199 Some of this stuff, Like my god, I want to 1823 01:37:16.239 --> 01:37:21.319 know what he's smoking. Yeah, I forget even what point 1824 01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:23.439 we want, but look, if we won the length point, 1825 01:37:23.479 --> 01:37:27.640 they're too long, but redemption, yeah, that did not need 1826 01:37:27.680 --> 01:37:28.159 to exist. 1827 01:37:29.079 --> 01:37:31.680 Wholly unnecessary. Yeah, I mean we were just. 1828 01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:34.119 Kind of talking about about how they were. Actually they 1829 01:37:34.119 --> 01:37:36.520 are good shows, right, Yeah. 1830 01:37:36.399 --> 01:37:39.560 They even the bad ones, like even the poorly built 1831 01:37:39.560 --> 01:37:43.439 in irrelevant ones usually still deliver solid matches because they 1832 01:37:43.479 --> 01:37:45.720 always they just always do. That's just kind of like 1833 01:37:46.039 --> 01:37:49.000 their reputation at this point, which is good for them. 1834 01:37:49.079 --> 01:37:51.119 That works for them. That's why their by rates even 1835 01:37:51.159 --> 01:37:54.000 when the product is cold, usually high. Even when they 1836 01:37:54.000 --> 01:37:56.359 can barely get like three thousand people, and for a 1837 01:37:56.439 --> 01:37:58.760 Dynamite they're still doing like ten thousand at the pay 1838 01:37:58.760 --> 01:37:59.880 per view right after, so. 1839 01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:04.039 Really interesting thing that's kind of hard to explain, but 1840 01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:09.359 they're definitely done with Dynamite attendance and they downscaled that 1841 01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:12.680 as well as far as venues go. They do do 1842 01:38:12.840 --> 01:38:16.560 well with pay per view attendants. But they do keep 1843 01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:21.079 their prices really really reasonable, especially compared to WWE, who 1844 01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:23.680 were like out of control with the pricing in the 1845 01:38:24.319 --> 01:38:27.720 For people in the UK on Blue Light, you can 1846 01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:30.479 get all in tickets for one pound fifty right now. 1847 01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:33.760 Yeah, I saw that as a kind of gotcha article 1848 01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:36.279 about how aw's failing will be on business next week, 1849 01:38:36.279 --> 01:38:37.239 but yeah, I did see that. 1850 01:38:37.640 --> 01:38:40.319 Well, like the second all in that I went to, 1851 01:38:41.319 --> 01:38:44.640 Beno bought I think he bought three tickets and they 1852 01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:48.960 were like two pounds each. So I went to the 1853 01:38:49.800 --> 01:38:53.640 media bit, I got some snacks, I got some more snacks, 1854 01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:56.960 and then I joined him and watched it from like 1855 01:38:58.239 --> 01:39:02.760 from a normal seat maybe that he had bought ones 1856 01:39:02.800 --> 01:39:06.279 like really far back, and he got moved forward with 1857 01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:09.640 his with me and his imaginary friend that he'd bought 1858 01:39:09.680 --> 01:39:12.199 another ticket for. So we had a great time on 1859 01:39:12.279 --> 01:39:16.399 the cheap tickets. You know, but look cheap tickets. It 1860 01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:18.359 is a little bit of a you know, you are 1861 01:39:18.359 --> 01:39:20.680 playing a little bit of a trick there in order 1862 01:39:20.720 --> 01:39:24.479 to bring up the numbers. But I'd rather people get 1863 01:39:24.479 --> 01:39:28.159 into shows for one pounds fifty then pay the WWE 1864 01:39:28.199 --> 01:39:31.880 prices that when WWE came to my city of Belfast 1865 01:39:31.920 --> 01:39:35.159 earlier this year, those prices were in seeing it was 1866 01:39:35.199 --> 01:39:39.520 a couple hundred per ticket and I would never pay 1867 01:39:39.560 --> 01:39:44.039 that to see WWE, WWE, WAW. And I know that 1868 01:39:44.079 --> 01:39:46.359 when I was a child and when they would come 1869 01:39:46.399 --> 01:39:48.800 to Belfast and it was such a rare, big deal. 1870 01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:51.159 I think it only happened twice in my childhood. There's 1871 01:39:51.199 --> 01:39:54.279 no way like my family could have bought you know, 1872 01:39:54.359 --> 01:39:58.520 tickets that were it's crazy. So it's really bad. So 1873 01:39:58.600 --> 01:40:01.039 at least, yeah, they do you keep the pricing low 1874 01:40:01.119 --> 01:40:01.720 on the tickets. 1875 01:40:02.520 --> 01:40:07.000 Yeah, Well, last week we were talking about wrestling, I guess. 1876 01:40:07.079 --> 01:40:10.159 But anyway, I considered going to Summer Slam this year, 1877 01:40:10.199 --> 01:40:13.439 which is tonight and tomorrow night, and I looked at tickets, 1878 01:40:13.800 --> 01:40:16.600 and I eventually determined it would be cheaper for me 1879 01:40:17.239 --> 01:40:19.520 in American to fly to London and go to All 1880 01:40:19.560 --> 01:40:22.319 in just whole cloth to do that than to try 1881 01:40:22.359 --> 01:40:24.560 to go to SummerSlam, which is like a two hour 1882 01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:26.880 plane flight from where I'm at, which is insane. 1883 01:40:26.920 --> 01:40:33.119 WWE events now for SummerSlam whatever are more expensive than 1884 01:40:33.600 --> 01:40:38.039 like when I was going to America from multiple aw 1885 01:40:38.239 --> 01:40:41.319 pay per views. Obviously, some people were like, oh my god, 1886 01:40:41.359 --> 01:40:44.119 how do you afford that? Like you can get really 1887 01:40:44.239 --> 01:40:48.479 cheap flights to America, like I'm talking like two hundred 1888 01:40:48.560 --> 01:40:52.279 pounds or something if you're smart about it. I think 1889 01:40:52.359 --> 01:40:56.479 that tickets for SummerSlam and the most recent events, especially Vesmenia, 1890 01:40:56.560 --> 01:40:58.520 all of those things are way more than I would 1891 01:40:58.520 --> 01:41:01.560 have ever paid to fly to America, let alone buy 1892 01:41:01.600 --> 01:41:02.479 a ticket for an event. 1893 01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:05.039 And then also it's a two night Summer Slam, so 1894 01:41:05.079 --> 01:41:07.800 you're buying tickets twice, and then you also have to 1895 01:41:07.840 --> 01:41:09.479 you have to stay at least one of those nights 1896 01:41:09.479 --> 01:41:12.680 to go to both of them. It's I'm sure you 1897 01:41:12.720 --> 01:41:14.680 saw that they've dropped tickets all the way down to 1898 01:41:14.760 --> 01:41:17.119 like twenty five dollars at this point for Summer Slam 1899 01:41:17.119 --> 01:41:19.560 because they were doing so badly. It'll be interesting to 1900 01:41:19.600 --> 01:41:21.960 see how they end up turning it up. But it 1901 01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:25.039 was not going well, and mostly I think well product 1902 01:41:25.119 --> 01:41:27.680 is worse, but also like ticket prices, I think were 1903 01:41:27.720 --> 01:41:31.079 a big big part of that. So yeah, AW continues 1904 01:41:31.119 --> 01:41:33.199 to do pretty well on pay per view live because 1905 01:41:33.359 --> 01:41:35.880 they got cheap tickets and they have a reputation for 1906 01:41:36.039 --> 01:41:36.840 over delivering. 1907 01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:40.520 Yes, they over deliver in both a good way and 1908 01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:41.119 a bad way. 1909 01:41:41.399 --> 01:41:44.960 We can say, right, that's a double edged sword, but 1910 01:41:44.960 --> 01:41:48.840 they definitely over deliver. So Stephanie, how do we feel 1911 01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:52.399 about them being at ten per year? And do we 1912 01:41:52.439 --> 01:41:57.239 still consider double or nothing, Revolution, full Gear and all 1913 01:41:57.279 --> 01:41:58.880 Out to be the Big four? I mean, I assume 1914 01:41:58.920 --> 01:42:01.159 all In has to replace one of those. 1915 01:42:01.560 --> 01:42:05.239 I think tens too many. I think this sweet spot 1916 01:42:05.439 --> 01:42:07.319 would be five or six. 1917 01:42:07.760 --> 01:42:10.079 That sounds right, like, I think they can do six, 1918 01:42:10.199 --> 01:42:13.520 like one every two months. That's perfectly fine, plenty of 1919 01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:15.960 time to build up a mat. Do you remember when 1920 01:42:15.960 --> 01:42:18.720 they used to have four and they would still wait 1921 01:42:18.800 --> 01:42:20.439 till like two weeks before the pay per view to 1922 01:42:20.439 --> 01:42:22.319 start putting the card together, like it would be like 1923 01:42:22.359 --> 01:42:24.199 three weeks out you had no idea what was on 1924 01:42:24.239 --> 01:42:24.840 the pay per view. 1925 01:42:26.039 --> 01:42:30.880 I think that Tony's booking strengths do not like they're 1926 01:42:30.880 --> 01:42:31.800 not in the planning. 1927 01:42:32.960 --> 01:42:33.399 They are not. 1928 01:42:34.399 --> 01:42:37.279 They're really not. And I actually think he would find 1929 01:42:37.279 --> 01:42:40.960 it easier if they cut down to six. And I 1930 01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:44.560 think that there's no reason for there to be one 1931 01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:49.159 a month, which is what we're clearly heading towards. I mean, 1932 01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:53.560 that's just a WWE isn't and even that WWE was 1933 01:42:53.600 --> 01:42:56.600 not always on, you know, one a month, Like, uh, 1934 01:42:56.960 --> 01:42:58.960 there's no reason for it, and I don't think it 1935 01:42:59.079 --> 01:43:02.840 suits aw And when you add to this his obsession 1936 01:43:02.880 --> 01:43:05.640 with long shows and long matches, if you were down 1937 01:43:05.680 --> 01:43:08.159 to five or six, people would take that a lot better. 1938 01:43:08.399 --> 01:43:10.199 But if you're going to get to the point where 1939 01:43:10.239 --> 01:43:13.920 every month, on top of Dynamite and Collision and the 1940 01:43:14.000 --> 01:43:16.479 Ring of Honor that no one watches, if you're then 1941 01:43:16.680 --> 01:43:18.680 going to shove in a six hour pay per view 1942 01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:21.279 like it's a lot, and it makes me think, like no, 1943 01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:26.039 wonder people don't get interested anymore because the time investment 1944 01:43:26.199 --> 01:43:28.399 you need to give. 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But yeah, 1968 01:44:36.079 --> 01:44:37.640 I think you kind of answered. The next question I 1969 01:44:37.680 --> 01:44:40.079 had was whether or not you think they'll add anymore. 1970 01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:42.159 Yeah, I think he's gone for twelve. 1971 01:44:43.079 --> 01:44:45.279 You think that's it? Do you have any suggestions for 1972 01:44:45.399 --> 01:44:48.479 names for him? I think retribution would be a good one, 1973 01:44:48.520 --> 01:44:49.520 just to keep it confusing. 1974 01:44:49.800 --> 01:45:02.239 Aw overrun over, a out of time, aw value fest, 1975 01:45:03.079 --> 01:45:04.119 value Fest. 1976 01:45:04.920 --> 01:45:06.319 I like that one. I've got to that one. But 1977 01:45:06.359 --> 01:45:08.680 that one's like basically you get your money's worth because 1978 01:45:08.720 --> 01:45:09.720 it goes eight hours. 1979 01:45:09.880 --> 01:45:11.720 Yeah. Do you think he's twelve? 1980 01:45:11.720 --> 01:45:15.600 Is the it's the that's definitely building that way. My 1981 01:45:15.720 --> 01:45:17.880 thought was that he would notice that when he kept 1982 01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:20.920 adding them, that the numbers kept dipping, and the I 1983 01:45:20.920 --> 01:45:23.520 think at this point, I think I think, like we discussed, 1984 01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:25.800 if he had six and he had like they were 1985 01:45:25.840 --> 01:45:27.920 spaced out like evenly, he could like just get like 1986 01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:30.960 a booking cadence down, like you know, you recover from 1987 01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:33.079 last one, you start building the next one and just 1988 01:45:33.119 --> 01:45:36.119 have like a rhythm, whereas now they're just not only 1989 01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:37.680 are there ten of them, but they're not like evenly 1990 01:45:37.720 --> 01:45:39.600 spread out. They get like weirdly close to each other, 1991 01:45:39.680 --> 01:45:42.720 especially all in and all out and forbidden doors always 1992 01:45:42.800 --> 01:45:45.880 going to be like a speed bump that like distracts 1993 01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:48.159 from where you're trying to go with your actual booking. 1994 01:45:48.399 --> 01:45:50.439 But yes, I think he's going to add more and 1995 01:45:50.520 --> 01:45:53.279 I think it's going to make things worse and more 1996 01:45:53.439 --> 01:46:00.279 complicated and chaotic. Yeah, an interesting thing with a W. 1997 01:46:00.439 --> 01:46:03.039 Like when they came around like WW and it pretty 1998 01:46:03.079 --> 01:46:05.680 much already given up pay per views kind of they 1999 01:46:05.680 --> 01:46:07.640 weren't they had they had the network, Which is crazy 2000 01:46:07.640 --> 01:46:10.720 because during this time I was not watching rawers back down, 2001 01:46:10.800 --> 01:46:12.439 but I was still watching the pay per views because 2002 01:46:12.439 --> 01:46:16.239 I had the WW network. Why not? So they make 2003 01:46:16.279 --> 01:46:18.479 a lot of money on their paper dus views. But 2004 01:46:18.520 --> 01:46:21.479 do you think like AW will ever move? Well, they 2005 01:46:21.520 --> 01:46:26.079 got my AEW thing overseas. I guess it's you might 2006 01:46:26.359 --> 01:46:28.560 already know what it's like to have AW kind of 2007 01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:29.720 on a streaming situation. 2008 01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:34.479 Yeah, and we've got my my a W. And before that, 2009 01:46:34.560 --> 01:46:38.279 we had fight TV where you could buy the pay 2010 01:46:38.319 --> 01:46:41.319 per views and you got the Dynamite as well. So 2011 01:46:41.840 --> 01:46:45.279 I don't, like, I don't know enough about the pay 2012 01:46:45.319 --> 01:46:49.319 per view business in America or how much Americans are 2013 01:46:49.319 --> 01:46:52.439 willing to pay or where things are at, but I 2014 01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:55.720 do feel that the world seems to be moving towards 2015 01:46:55.920 --> 01:47:02.479 streaming and maybe they would benefit from being on a service. 2016 01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:06.359 And I don't mean aw, but like, but are they 2017 01:47:06.399 --> 01:47:10.359 on Is there a Warner Brothers service that they're on too? Like? 2018 01:47:10.399 --> 01:47:10.680 I don't know. 2019 01:47:11.520 --> 01:47:15.359 Well, so in America they stream dynam They stream Collision 2020 01:47:15.399 --> 01:47:19.000 and Dynamite on Hbox, which I have, and that's actually 2021 01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:22.119 how I watch most weeks, and they this year they 2022 01:47:22.159 --> 01:47:24.399 started doing the pay per views on there, but they 2023 01:47:24.439 --> 01:47:26.760 still cost forty dollars. You get like a ten dollars 2024 01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:31.000 break in the price to watch it, and so fine, yeah, no, 2025 01:47:31.079 --> 01:47:33.680 I half the time I still just buy it on 2026 01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:37.159 Amazon because it's not worth like logging into and also 2027 01:47:37.239 --> 01:47:40.760 because my wife doesn't question Amazon purchases because she makes 2028 01:47:40.760 --> 01:47:41.239 so many of them. 2029 01:47:41.359 --> 01:47:44.960 She just goes right past her nice tactic. It's always 2030 01:47:45.000 --> 01:47:47.720 shocked me how much Americans pay for pay per view. 2031 01:47:48.079 --> 01:47:51.640 That could not be me like that, that those prices 2032 01:47:51.640 --> 01:47:52.760 don't happen over here. 2033 01:47:53.359 --> 01:47:53.560 Good. 2034 01:47:54.359 --> 01:47:58.239 Yeah, I think I'm pretty sure, like on Fight or whatever, 2035 01:47:58.399 --> 01:48:03.560 they will always twenty twenty pounds or less, but I 2036 01:48:03.560 --> 01:48:05.880 would always find a way to get free fight credits, 2037 01:48:06.800 --> 01:48:08.800 So I would think I ever, like like paid to 2038 01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:12.920 watch them. But I really I don't know, because I 2039 01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:16.960 think the factors are hard to predict because it's like, 2040 01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:20.159 where's the market going, what's gonna happen with the Warner 2041 01:48:20.199 --> 01:48:24.600 brothers entire situation that's going on there, that's right, you know, 2042 01:48:24.640 --> 01:48:28.279 like all of that. But it would make sense for 2043 01:48:28.319 --> 01:48:32.520 them to be on you know, like a stream more 2044 01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:36.479 onto streaming, But it can't just be my AW because 2045 01:48:36.479 --> 01:48:39.079 it will end up like the network, because if the 2046 01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:44.279 network can sustain itself, would and would will my AAW 2047 01:48:44.520 --> 01:48:46.359 even though they're adding in other shows. 2048 01:48:46.399 --> 01:48:48.680 I don't know, Yeah, I don't think you're that's a 2049 01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:51.800 good point, like if the WWE network can say itself 2050 01:48:52.239 --> 01:48:57.479 and it was way bigger than AAW has ever been. Yeah, 2051 01:48:57.520 --> 01:49:00.439 because at some point WWE moved on two p and 2052 01:49:00.520 --> 01:49:04.000 though they're on ESPN now like they've been going back 2053 01:49:04.039 --> 01:49:07.720 and forth too. So yeah, yeah, I don't know. I 2054 01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:09.439 asked that question because I don't have an answer to that. 2055 01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:13.720 But in general, pay per views are going away. Even UFC, 2056 01:49:13.760 --> 01:49:15.239 which used to make most of us money's pay per 2057 01:49:15.319 --> 01:49:18.239 views mostly streaming. Now almost nothing's on pay per view 2058 01:49:18.279 --> 01:49:19.479 except for AWS. 2059 01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:23.279 It seems don't I don't know what it's like in America, 2060 01:49:23.439 --> 01:49:27.479 but over here like it sucks anyone talk about pay 2061 01:49:27.479 --> 01:49:29.439 per view. I'm not sure young people know what pay 2062 01:49:29.439 --> 01:49:32.399 per view is. It's not like it used to be. 2063 01:49:32.640 --> 01:49:34.640 Well, I don't think young people even know anything about 2064 01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:36.760 going to the record store and buying an album and 2065 01:49:36.760 --> 01:49:38.960 listening to twelve songs, Like they don't understand what a 2066 01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:42.199 single is or anything. There's a whole different thing going 2067 01:49:42.199 --> 01:49:44.199 on there. So that might be if he wants to 2068 01:49:44.199 --> 01:49:46.880 look to the future, he might be needing to dump 2069 01:49:46.920 --> 01:49:49.079 pay per view off because we've got a generation coming 2070 01:49:49.119 --> 01:49:51.119 up here used to paying a flat rate and getting 2071 01:49:51.520 --> 01:49:54.359 all that they want of whatever they want. So they 2072 01:49:54.359 --> 01:49:56.520 should love those six hour pay per views, but they're 2073 01:49:56.560 --> 01:49:59.279 not going to pay for them individually. In pieces. It 2074 01:49:59.399 --> 01:50:01.000 seems to be into something. 2075 01:50:00.720 --> 01:50:05.359 Else that is true, like our you know, that's that 2076 01:50:05.560 --> 01:50:08.399 is not how we operate as a culture anymore. Like 2077 01:50:08.479 --> 01:50:11.119 it's not as it. You just pay your Netflix, you 2078 01:50:11.119 --> 01:50:15.760 pay your Prime. Paying for one off things is no. 2079 01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:18.039 Well, all right, Sephanie. I think we've had a pretty 2080 01:50:18.479 --> 01:50:21.399 end depth discussion on AEW's pay per views. In the 2081 01:50:21.439 --> 01:50:23.720 pay per view model such as it is, I guess 2082 01:50:23.760 --> 01:50:25.800 we should do the thing, you know, the thing I'm 2083 01:50:25.800 --> 01:50:27.760 talking about, Yeah, the thing the show. 2084 01:50:28.159 --> 01:50:30.319 Yeah, worse or better? 2085 01:50:31.199 --> 01:50:33.479 So I'm going to say it is now we're talking 2086 01:50:33.479 --> 01:50:36.960 at aw pay per views. It's worse, especially just coming 2087 01:50:37.000 --> 01:50:39.960 off of Redemption, which is maybe the worst pay per 2088 01:50:40.079 --> 01:50:44.359 view they've done. So I think just by too many 2089 01:50:44.399 --> 01:50:47.199 pay per views, it's worse in that way. I think 2090 01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:51.800 the quality has dipped, Redemption being a good example, and 2091 01:50:51.840 --> 01:50:55.560 also Forbidden Door being completely irrelevant and not great. That's 2092 01:50:55.600 --> 01:50:57.439 a pretty good dip. I think we're much worse. I 2093 01:50:57.479 --> 01:51:00.119 think we were way better when we had four. I 2094 01:51:00.119 --> 01:51:02.760 think four, even though you and I decided like successes 2095 01:51:02.760 --> 01:51:05.319 maybe like the good balance. I think we were better 2096 01:51:05.399 --> 01:51:07.920 off in twenty nineteen when we had four big pay 2097 01:51:07.920 --> 01:51:09.880 per views to look to, and I didn't care that 2098 01:51:09.920 --> 01:51:12.279 it went five hours, because four times a year I 2099 01:51:12.279 --> 01:51:14.560 can make that kind of thing. But I think ten 2100 01:51:15.039 --> 01:51:17.520 like six hour pay per views a year. It's too much. 2101 01:51:17.760 --> 01:51:20.279 It's much much worse. Although I'm willing to listen to 2102 01:51:20.319 --> 01:51:20.760 your opinion. 2103 01:51:20.840 --> 01:51:22.640 Oh, I think it's absolutely worse. 2104 01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:24.640 I thought maybe I think it's worse. 2105 01:51:25.880 --> 01:51:29.520 I'm a true heater of the length. I don't like 2106 01:51:29.560 --> 01:51:32.880 that that there's ten or whatever that would get into twelve. 2107 01:51:32.960 --> 01:51:34.600 I wish it was back to the old days. I 2108 01:51:34.640 --> 01:51:37.359 wish I could be excited again when an AHw pay 2109 01:51:37.359 --> 01:51:41.039 per view comes on. So it is worse, and that 2110 01:51:41.199 --> 01:51:44.479 is not a judgment on the match quality or anything 2111 01:51:44.560 --> 01:51:47.359 like that. I mean the actual situation of the pay 2112 01:51:47.359 --> 01:51:49.640 per views and all of the things we've talked about. 2113 01:51:49.760 --> 01:51:52.640 It is worse, right, I think we have said several 2114 01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:54.439 times like they always deliver on pay per view. They're 2115 01:51:54.520 --> 01:51:57.319 usually good. Even Redemption, which we have shit all over, 2116 01:51:58.119 --> 01:52:02.239 basically delivered. So yeah, it's worse. And also I think 2117 01:52:02.439 --> 01:52:05.119 it's worse in the sense that having the tennis and 2118 01:52:05.119 --> 01:52:07.680 they are running together, they used to kind of stand 2119 01:52:07.720 --> 01:52:10.760 out more. You could remember moments better, matches better, and 2120 01:52:10.800 --> 01:52:13.119 they used to have to put more work into a thing, 2121 01:52:13.479 --> 01:52:15.640 and they don't do this now. But do you remember, 2122 01:52:16.119 --> 01:52:18.600 like when wwe used to have like a pay per 2123 01:52:18.680 --> 01:52:21.840 view and they would have like this crazy stage set 2124 01:52:21.920 --> 01:52:23.640 up and it was very memorable. Like you'd see a 2125 01:52:23.640 --> 01:52:25.199 clip from me'd be like, oh, yeah, that was Judgment 2126 01:52:25.239 --> 01:52:28.000 Day in nineteen ninety seven. I remember the stage. Like. 2127 01:52:28.119 --> 01:52:29.960 I think if they had less pay per views to 2128 01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:32.439 deal with, they could like put more like elbow grease 2129 01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:34.159 into them, like really make them stand out more too. 2130 01:52:34.159 --> 01:52:36.600 It would also be helpful because they are really running 2131 01:52:36.600 --> 01:52:37.880 together that. 2132 01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:40.960 First Double or Nothing with the chips and walks on 2133 01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:41.880 the poker chips. 2134 01:52:42.119 --> 01:52:44.439 Yeah, that's as it's a visual. I remember it. 2135 01:52:45.000 --> 01:52:45.800 Yeah, it was great. 2136 01:52:46.319 --> 01:52:48.800 I have no idea what Double or Nothing twenty twenty 2137 01:52:48.840 --> 01:52:51.479 three looked like, though they're all out twenty twenty four. 2138 01:52:54.119 --> 01:52:57.239 All right, Stephanie, it's worse. The pay per views are. 2139 01:52:57.760 --> 01:53:02.079 The pay per view in a pay per view system 2140 01:53:02.279 --> 01:53:03.920 is worse. The pay per views are still. 2141 01:53:03.720 --> 01:53:05.399 Good the pay per view. 2142 01:53:06.000 --> 01:53:08.279 I'm looking forward to All in. I think it's gonna 2143 01:53:08.279 --> 01:53:10.439 be a good show. I'm excited about it almost, and 2144 01:53:10.479 --> 01:53:13.239 I'm not excited about SummerSlam, which I'm watching tonight and 2145 01:53:13.359 --> 01:53:13.960 tomorrow night. 2146 01:53:14.199 --> 01:53:17.479 I'm not excited for SummerSlam at all. I'm definitely not 2147 01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:19.720 staying up for it. I think it starts like half 2148 01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:22.359 an hour, but I'm not staying up for it. I 2149 01:53:22.399 --> 01:53:25.119 am not going to all in, even though it would 2150 01:53:25.119 --> 01:53:28.399 be only a short plan ride for me to London. 2151 01:53:28.640 --> 01:53:30.680 But yeah, I just like I have no desire to. 2152 01:53:30.920 --> 01:53:33.279 I don't want to go to Wambley again to watch wrestling, 2153 01:53:33.760 --> 01:53:37.239 and it's not even like a convenient time for me 2154 01:53:37.279 --> 01:53:39.800 to be going. So I'm very glad I'm not going 2155 01:53:39.880 --> 01:53:43.520 because if I had decided to go because my friends 2156 01:53:43.520 --> 01:53:46.720 were going or whatever, I know I'd regret it as 2157 01:53:46.720 --> 01:53:49.960 soon as I sat down in the arena. 2158 01:53:50.239 --> 01:53:52.199 I'm the same way. It happens to me like I 2159 01:53:52.239 --> 01:53:54.520 go to concert sometimes, Like I'll go, I'll sit down 2160 01:53:54.520 --> 01:53:56.239 and be like it'll start, I'll be into It'll be 2161 01:53:56.319 --> 01:53:58.159 like I'm really looking forward to this being over it, 2162 01:53:58.199 --> 01:53:59.800 So I'm gonna be at home thinking about it instead 2163 01:53:59.800 --> 01:54:02.199 of being stuck at it. That's actually me anytime I 2164 01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:02.720 leave the house. 2165 01:54:02.720 --> 01:54:06.880 To be honest with you, I totally understand that. I 2166 01:54:06.960 --> 01:54:10.520 understand that. But you know, I think I only get 2167 01:54:10.560 --> 01:54:14.039 it at wrestling because there was just too many. I 2168 01:54:14.079 --> 01:54:15.960 think other things I find more novel. 2169 01:54:16.399 --> 01:54:20.039 Yeah, well again, there's so many wrestling things to go 2170 01:54:20.079 --> 01:54:23.600 to that they're not novel at all, all right, So 2171 01:54:23.640 --> 01:54:26.199 if we lay it on Worse, I am open to 2172 01:54:26.239 --> 01:54:28.960 hearing other people's opinions on that is more better, like 2173 01:54:29.039 --> 01:54:31.239 more pay per views, longer pay per views? Are these better? 2174 01:54:31.239 --> 01:54:33.359 Are there people that actually believe that? If you're one 2175 01:54:33.359 --> 01:54:36.439 of those people, email Worse Are Better show at gmail 2176 01:54:36.479 --> 01:54:39.439 dot com and Stephanie and I will argue with you. 2177 01:54:39.520 --> 01:54:42.720 And since you next week or the week after. Actually, Stephanie, 2178 01:54:43.079 --> 01:54:45.960 we have a bulletin. Stephanie is traveling next week. She's 2179 01:54:46.000 --> 01:54:48.600 not going to be here next week, not to wrestling show. 2180 01:54:49.239 --> 01:54:53.159 Yes, I'm off to the great city of Liverpool to 2181 01:54:53.279 --> 01:54:58.119 celebrate my future sister in law's wedding, so yes, I'll 2182 01:54:58.159 --> 01:55:01.159 be doing that. So I guess you're going to find 2183 01:55:01.159 --> 01:55:02.600 another partner, Josh. 2184 01:55:02.680 --> 01:55:06.439 I will track down somebody. But definitely, if you want 2185 01:55:06.479 --> 01:55:09.319 to listen to the show without commercials, or you want 2186 01:55:09.319 --> 01:55:10.720 to listen to other shows that you don't want to 2187 01:55:10.760 --> 01:55:13.920 listen to, you can go VIP with the PW Torch. 2188 01:55:14.079 --> 01:55:17.199 There you can listen to this show with the commercials, 2189 01:55:17.199 --> 01:55:20.640 more shows. 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I listen 2201 01:55:46.760 --> 01:55:47.399 mostly in my car. 2202 01:55:47.800 --> 01:55:51.119 No, just thank you. I'm going to say good night 2203 01:55:51.199 --> 01:55:53.600 because I think once again you've seen me go from 2204 01:55:53.680 --> 01:55:54.319 light to dark. 2205 01:55:54.800 --> 01:55:57.039 Yes, it is dark where you are again, even though 2206 01:55:57.079 --> 01:55:59.800 it's bright light when we started. Not as bad as 2207 01:55:59.840 --> 01:56:02.560 the SummerSlam episode because we didn't do every pay per 2208 01:56:02.640 --> 01:56:06.680 view this time. But we'll talk to Stephanie in two weeks, 2209 01:56:06.720 --> 01:56:09.600 and you guys are also welcome. Listen next week for 2210 01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:12.920 a surprise topic with a surprise guest. 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