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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What's going to happen? What I Welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 2>occult Rejects. Today we're joined by a returning guest whose

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<v Speaker 2>work lives at the fascinating crossroads with symbolism, intuition, ritual

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<v Speaker 2>and interpretation. All meet. Christina Ferrella is an astrologer, divination educator,

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<v Speaker 2>founder of Eighth House Astrology, author of Divination for Dummies,

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<v Speaker 2>and co host of Sora Mystica with Marianna Lewis, a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast exploring modern spirituality through symbol, myth and mystic inquiry.

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<v Speaker 2>What makes Christina especially compelling is that her approach doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>reduce divination to novelty or shallow fortune telling. She treats

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<v Speaker 2>it as something much richer, a symbolic art, a spiritual discipline,

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<v Speaker 2>and a serious practice of learning how meaning speaks through images, patterns,

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<v Speaker 2>ritual and intuition. The same spirit is all over Divination

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<v Speaker 2>for Dummies, which she describes as a grounded, well researched

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<v Speaker 2>introduction for people who want to actually learn how to

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<v Speaker 2>divine rather than just skim the surface. And this book

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<v Speaker 2>really does open the door wide. It walks readers through

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<v Speaker 2>a broad range of divinatory systems, including taro, numerology, astrology, palmistry, scrying,

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<v Speaker 2>and even bone throwing. It walks readers through a broad

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<v Speaker 2>range of divinatory systems including taro, numerology, astrology, palmistry, and scrying,

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<v Speaker 2>all while also giving attention to ritual tools, origins, daily practice,

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<v Speaker 2>and the building of confidence as a reader. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just a book about what divination is. It's also

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<v Speaker 2>about how to begin, how to practice, and how to

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<v Speaker 2>develop a real relationship with these traditions and in a

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<v Speaker 2>thoughtful and usable way. So today we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about Christina's path, her work, her podcast in this new book,

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<v Speaker 2>what divenetion really is, why it hasn't dared across cultures

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<v Speaker 2>for so long, and what these systems can still offer

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<v Speaker 2>to beginners, practitioners and the merely curious. I like not

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<v Speaker 2>before I introduce the co host and the guest. I

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<v Speaker 2>do have an announcement to make. We do have the

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<v Speaker 2>website a Cult Research Institute dot org. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff on there if you like to read, so

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<v Speaker 2>check it out. And if you're interested, there are two

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<v Speaker 2>styles of shirts on there. And now let me introduce

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<v Speaker 2>the co host Headlet's Giant. My man, what is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing? I've got the you know, normal road

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<v Speaker 1>rage going on outside of my window. But it's great

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<v Speaker 1>to be here. You can check out my show on

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<v Speaker 1>the Headless Giant YouTube channel and on x and on

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<v Speaker 1>Instagram as well. So thank you very much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank you for coming on man. I was looking

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<v Speaker 2>forward to this one. And Christina, please, if there's anything

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<v Speaker 2>I left out or anything like the plug a mension,

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<v Speaker 2>please let everybody know.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh well, I'm really happy to be back. It's really

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<v Speaker 3>nice to be sharing space with you both. I'm excited

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<v Speaker 3>for a conversation. And I think that the one thing

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<v Speaker 3>that I'll plug besides sore Mystica, which is my podcast

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<v Speaker 3>with my friend Marianna who I was on recently with,

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<v Speaker 3>is my class. It's the School of Astrological Arcana. It's

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<v Speaker 3>my kind of I call it my big class. It's

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<v Speaker 3>my ten week immersion course in the art of chart interpretation.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is for budding astrologers out there, people who

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<v Speaker 3>want to either become professional astrologers in their own right,

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<v Speaker 3>or people who are just really really passionate about astrology

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<v Speaker 3>and want a supportive, kind of rich, immersive learning environment

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<v Speaker 3>to actually understand how to read your chart from top

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<v Speaker 3>to bottom. So that's beginning on April twenty ninth, and

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<v Speaker 3>I have founding cohort pricing going on right now through

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<v Speaker 3>April tenth, so if anybody wants to enroll, they can

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<v Speaker 3>jump in and save a well cash before that happens.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, feels so silly being salesy, but anyway, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not a sales the environment.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, shirts feel stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, there you go. Yes, So I'd love to

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<v Speaker 3>have anybody who's listening and is a fan of the

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<v Speaker 3>show in our spring coport, so you can learn more

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<v Speaker 3>about that in links that I'm sure will be available.

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<v Speaker 3>But my website, Christinafarrella dot com has a big banner

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<v Speaker 3>for the school up at the top and you can

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<v Speaker 3>check it out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, thank you very much. And I do highly

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<v Speaker 2>suggest I know I've said it before, I think when

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<v Speaker 2>you were on for our listeners, if you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're into this show, I really do think you

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<v Speaker 2>will find a lot of value in their podcast. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're kind of very much on the same page

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<v Speaker 2>in a sense, So definitely go check it out. Please.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great stuff and definitely check out their books and

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<v Speaker 2>their work. I think it's, you know, a value, which

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<v Speaker 2>is why I have them on. So Christina, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I might have like some questions here that might almost

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<v Speaker 2>you like a little bit kind of how it was

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<v Speaker 2>in the last show, only because it's just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the way I start off. But for people meeting you

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time, maybe they didn't catch you the

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<v Speaker 2>last time that you were on. Who is Christina and

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<v Speaker 2>what first drew you into astrology and divination?

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea who Christina is, but what I

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<v Speaker 3>think me.

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<v Speaker 2>Into yo first place. Second I looked at your name,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Yo, did I just suck up a name?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry? I was like, fun, that's good, No, just doing

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<v Speaker 3>just doing existential comedy. No, So yeah, I'm Christina. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's true. And I think that, you know, what first

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<v Speaker 3>drew me into all of this. Honestly, I think that

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<v Speaker 3>I was raised in like a very strict Irish Italian

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<v Speaker 3>Roman Catholic household, and church was really really important in

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<v Speaker 3>that environment. And I'm, you know, just we were just

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<v Speaker 3>always in and very involved with the church growing up.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, when I was a teenager, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh my gosh, this is fake, the church sucks, blah

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<v Speaker 3>blah blah. So I had like my break with all

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<v Speaker 3>of that ideology. But what I think stayed with me

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<v Speaker 3>was this truth that God is in nature and we

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<v Speaker 3>are part of that. And so I always have been

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<v Speaker 3>that sort of like woo woo, I don't know, just

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<v Speaker 3>like a sensitive soul who like loves nature and animals

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<v Speaker 3>and the ocean and the stars and stuff. And the

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<v Speaker 3>older I got, the more I probably struggled to figure

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<v Speaker 3>out who I am, why I am the way I am,

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<v Speaker 3>And just by chance, I think I bumped into a

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<v Speaker 3>book on astrology in like borders a million years ago

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<v Speaker 3>and started learning about what that might be.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, I knew my horoscope from reading like fashion

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<v Speaker 3>magazines as a young girl, but I didn't know anything

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<v Speaker 3>more about it from the horoscope, so kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>tiptoeing towards it, tiptoeing around it. I really got into

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<v Speaker 3>it when I first got to college and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>started to really want to know myself and know how

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<v Speaker 3>to understand other people. And I found that astrology gave

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<v Speaker 3>us such a fascinating language and an accurate one for

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<v Speaker 3>describing the people in my life and myself so I

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<v Speaker 3>think that I always approached astrology as yes, this mystical system,

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<v Speaker 3>but also you know, before I knew about the deep

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<v Speaker 3>mysticism of it, it seemed like a really great way

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<v Speaker 3>to just have extra language to describe your experience, which

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<v Speaker 3>I think we can always use more of as humans

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<v Speaker 3>in this world. So, you know, that was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like the opening of the door. And then regarding you know,

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<v Speaker 3>occult stuff that's harder to pinpoint. I think there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of subtle occultism in Italian culture and Italian Catholic

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<v Speaker 3>culture specifically. That was like kind of the like, both

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<v Speaker 3>both sides of my family are very rich in traditions,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know, there's something about the Italian stuff that

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<v Speaker 3>I was super curious about that. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know, one thing led to another and before you

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<v Speaker 3>know it, you're practicing which in your bedroom in Brooklyn

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<v Speaker 3>and doing spells. So I think that being led though

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<v Speaker 3>by ancestral tradition is something like that was my doorway

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<v Speaker 3>into practice, not really reaching for things like too outside

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<v Speaker 3>of my culture, but really using it as a way

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<v Speaker 3>to get connected with my family and ancestral stories and

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<v Speaker 3>things like that that I think we're lost. So that's

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<v Speaker 3>an answer that I can give there. Yeah, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to hop In so I got to know

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<v Speaker 1>you said Italian. Have you looked into the lost Italian

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<v Speaker 1>art of augury being able to divide symbols from the birds?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yes. The most recent thinking I've done about augury

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<v Speaker 3>is I recently reread the Odyssey and there's so much

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<v Speaker 3>bird omen stuff in that book and I was really

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<v Speaker 3>I was fascinated about that. I wrote a piece about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was really interesting. But yeah, that's one

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<v Speaker 3>of the oldest forms of divination, at least in the

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<v Speaker 3>Greco Roman tradition, specifically Roman. Actually right, it's totally fascinating.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, what's your augury relationship?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just see how it was integral to the

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<v Speaker 1>processing and creating of the Greek Roban religion, especially in Rome.

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<v Speaker 1>They had the College of Augurs, and that was sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>of these augurs who were skilled and you know, all

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<v Speaker 1>the forms of divination that you've mentioned with astrology and

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<v Speaker 1>all these other things, but specifically they would you know,

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<v Speaker 1>divine the auspices before battles and things like this, and

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<v Speaker 1>they would do that by putting out a grid pattern

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<v Speaker 1>and watching the birds and how they moved across these things.

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<v Speaker 1>And to me, it brings up the images of murmuration, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So as these birds are murmurating through the sky, you

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<v Speaker 1>get different images and different associations through it, and they

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<v Speaker 1>would be looking at it on a grid pattern and seeing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the easterlye westerly movements of these different birds

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<v Speaker 1>and how these you know, associate with these other things.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is how they would then draw from the

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<v Speaker 1>College of Augers into the ponte Vex Maximus. So this

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<v Speaker 1>College of Augers was basically the lower level to the

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<v Speaker 1>higher level traditions.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so cool. It's so interesting and like I think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, now, even if you're driving on the highway

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a drive where you're like thinking about something

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<v Speaker 3>heavy or thinking about something deep, and then all of

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden, like a giant redtail hawk flies in front

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<v Speaker 3>of you, it always feels like a sign or a symbol.

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<v Speaker 3>And I take that stuff seriously, so, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's just like innate thing that we do as people.

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<v Speaker 3>But I love that the Romans codified it. It's so

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<v Speaker 3>it's so interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and each one of these different birds have their

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<v Speaker 1>associations with the gods, so you know, the red tailed

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<v Speaker 1>hawk being associated with Apollo or Horus and these other

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<v Speaker 1>symbols that it's almost like Pan Mediterranean how they they

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<v Speaker 1>sort of syncretize these things. So not only were you

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<v Speaker 1>seeing a bird, but you were seeing the representation of

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<v Speaker 1>the god on earth.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, absolutely, Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that sounds really interesting. I don't look into that one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've only I've heard of it here and there. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I've heard Headla's mention it before.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we've got a guy in the chat who's talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the lamb livers of the sheep livers too, because

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<v Speaker 3>that was also another thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, heriustracy and they would divine using the actual intrails

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<v Speaker 1>of these animals.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, there's even like all you could

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<v Speaker 3>find old maps kind of like a divination map of

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<v Speaker 3>the liver carved into stone or pressed onto metal plates

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<v Speaker 3>would be good or would be bad. So yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad we don't have to do animal sacrifice to

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<v Speaker 1>Though it makes me say, right, but it brings up

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like we have symbols like that, and are

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<v Speaker 1>you know common divination now with little caterpillars? How how

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<v Speaker 1>long that band is, whether or not you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's some of this stuff that has actually

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, yeah, yeah, right, there's so many, yeah, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 4>many traditions because it's something that humans automatically do.

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<v Speaker 2>Nice. One thing I did want to ask you too,

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, grad school was a really good way to I'm

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<v Speaker 3>was like, really, I was sad that I was going

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<v Speaker 3>to lose library access after I graduated undergrad. That's sad.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think that when I was doing my

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<v Speaker 3>for myself that kind of like what Marianne was talking

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<v Speaker 3>about last time. She really focused on like archetypal exploration

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<v Speaker 3>do so much good reading of like classical Greek drama,

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<v Speaker 3>and it really really inspired me because it was an

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<v Speaker 3>these archetypal things like grief and mourning or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>every aspect of learning about classical literature gave me something

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<v Speaker 3>Is weirdly enough, and so that was so super enriching

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<v Speaker 3>and it really did help me. It kind of what

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<v Speaker 3>I was really it became very obsessed with ancient Greek

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<v Speaker 3>funerary traditions and specifically like the female led lament, because

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<v Speaker 3>at that time and was really struck by how there

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of sad shit was happening, and I was

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<v Speaker 3>like what the power of ritualizing death could do. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think that that led me into a whole world

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<v Speaker 3>of ritual around the soul and ghosts for lack of

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<v Speaker 3>you know whatever a more academic term. So yeah, that

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<v Speaker 3>was a very I'm very grateful that I had that

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<v Speaker 1>Well, jug the Goat posted just at the perfect time.

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<v Speaker 1>He was talking about his connection with cardinals and deer,

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<v Speaker 1>and when he sees cardinals and deer, they're always together,

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<v Speaker 1>and that sort of shows him that his loved ones

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<v Speaker 3>It's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very beautiful thing. And I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people don't understand the connection between, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>soul and these different animals. You know, it seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be a lot more stated, you know, if you think

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<v Speaker 1>about the what are they called the Esop's fables, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they would ascribe certain personality types to these animals to

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<v Speaker 1>teach you a lesson, but also you could see those

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<v Speaker 1>type of personality types in the people, so they almost

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I see this comment that cardinals comes up for

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<v Speaker 3>a lost love one. I hear that all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>And my own mom attributes her mom's spirit to the

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<v Speaker 3>cardinal that lives in her backyard. And it's interesting that

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<v Speaker 3>we make these associations without like discussing it with other people,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, just like across time. It's it's really fascinating,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think that, you know, animals are like soul creatures.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I have two cats and I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>they're extensions of soul in my house all of the time.

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<v Speaker 3>And if I'm not mistaken, I think that Yung said

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<v Speaker 3>that when we dream about animals, it's like we're dreaming

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<v Speaker 3>about that sort of wild, untamed version of soul that

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<v Speaker 3>we carry with us, and so it's important to have

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<v Speaker 3>a relationship with them. And yeah, yes, totally agree that

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<v Speaker 3>we need, you know, more more awareness of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I think that's That's one of the things about

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<v Speaker 1>divina that people don't realize is that it's more connecting

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<v Speaker 1>than it is a separation, you know. I think a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people feel like you're separating from the body

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<v Speaker 1>or separating from nature when you're doing divinatory practices, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's actually the opposite. You're you're bringing more in than

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<v Speaker 1>you are, you know, expelling out and going on spirit

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<v Speaker 1>journeys and these other things. But you know, it brings

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<v Speaker 1>up scrying, right, So I think some of the most

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<v Speaker 1>ancient forms of scrying have to do with water. And

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<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts about water scrying.

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<v Speaker 3>I love water scrying. I think that scrying is so

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<v Speaker 3>is so interesting because it seems so intimidating, but it's actually,

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<v Speaker 3>again one of these these tools where your mind like

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<v Speaker 3>naturally seeks connection and seeks symbols. So for anyone who's

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<v Speaker 3>listening and they're like, what are they talking about, scrying

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<v Speaker 3>is the art of looking into a surface. So it

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<v Speaker 3>can be a bowl of water. It can also be

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<v Speaker 3>a black mirror. It can be a crystal ball. That's

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<v Speaker 3>like the typical you know, you see like a fortune

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<v Speaker 3>teller in a movie and they're like looking at their

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<v Speaker 3>crystal while they're scrying. You can also scry in fire,

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<v Speaker 3>and I actually sometimes prefer to do that with a candle.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, thinking about the kind of universal access

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<v Speaker 3>or the universal presence i should say, of water all

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<v Speaker 3>through human experience, it's really interesting that we took like

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<v Speaker 3>this very very essential resource and said this has the secret,

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<v Speaker 3>this has an image. For me, this is hiding information,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'm going to divine it and make it, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>come out and reveal itself. And so, yeah, scrying is

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<v Speaker 3>fascinating because, and this is true for a lot of divination,

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<v Speaker 3>you're doing it with tools that are totally ordinary, like

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<v Speaker 3>this glass of water here, it's holding information probably, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And so I think that a lot of divination early forms,

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<v Speaker 3>especially we're done with water, fire, bones, shells, sticks, herbs. Right,

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<v Speaker 3>And that's again saying like this is a nature based practice.

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<v Speaker 1>I think at bottom, right, there's something to this sort

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<v Speaker 1>of universal elementalism that comes along with scrying. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>bones having to do with Saturn, and you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>water having to do with all of these different water

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<v Speaker 1>nymphs and spirits. And it's using your eyes and your

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<v Speaker 1>senses to sort of see past just what's in front

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<v Speaker 1>of you. It's something something is there without being you

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<v Speaker 1>know fully in the moment, something eternal.

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<v Speaker 3>Totally.

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to ask, you're getting into the divination stuff now,

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<v Speaker 2>basically talking about the book, what made you want to

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<v Speaker 2>write Divination for Dummies specifically and wine? Now?

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<v Speaker 3>So it was it was offered to me by someone's agent,

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<v Speaker 3>like they needed they I think that, And I say

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<v Speaker 3>that not to say I didn't want to write it,

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<v Speaker 3>but it just kind of appeared to me, which was cool.

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<v Speaker 3>So that was very lucky and I'm grateful for that opportunity.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason why I thought I could do it though,

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<v Speaker 3>was that I am just a collector of divinatory tools,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I've always been super curious about knowing all

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<v Speaker 3>of these different methods. So I'm not an expert in

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<v Speaker 3>everything that I wrote about in the book. I would

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<v Speaker 3>consider myself most expert in astrology in Taro, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>there are I've spent a lot of time experimenting on

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<v Speaker 3>my own with these tools. So when someone you know,

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<v Speaker 3>propositioned me about it, I was like, oh, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 3>could do that. That sounds fun, you know, so a

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<v Speaker 3>little daunting. Once I got into it, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh shit, there's a lot. There's a lot here because

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<v Speaker 3>I felt strongly about giving an historical perspective for a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of these tools in addition to the like the

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<v Speaker 3>practical how to aspect of it, because I think that

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<v Speaker 3>that's important, so that we're creating connection the lineages of

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<v Speaker 3>these tools rather than just being like, oh, I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to throw runes now. I have no idea what any

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<v Speaker 3>of this comes from. Like, I'm very against that, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that I could do it because I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>little crazy and I have a lot of mercury, strong

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<v Speaker 3>mercury energy in my chart. That's what I'll say.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, hell Is, did you have anything?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think a lot of people are intimidated by

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<v Speaker 1>the crystal ball and they're not sure what they're looking for,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're kind of unsure what kind of signs and

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<v Speaker 1>symbols they're supposed to be looking for in the scrying process.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a way you could help them out on

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<v Speaker 1>that journey and sort of connect with what they're seeing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure. So I would recommend number one, making

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<v Speaker 3>sure that you are in a very chill, receptive state

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<v Speaker 3>before you start any divination practice. Right, some of the

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<v Speaker 3>worst divination experiences come when we're anxious or when we're

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<v Speaker 3>really looking for answers and we are trying to control outcomes, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So number one, we have to kind of get grounded

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<v Speaker 3>and however you like to do that, that's the best

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<v Speaker 3>way to do it. And I talk about this in

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<v Speaker 3>the book a lot of just like the importance of

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<v Speaker 3>setting the tone for your space. So number one, calm down.

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<v Speaker 3>Number two, I would say that the symbols and signs

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<v Speaker 3>that are shown to us in something like a crystal

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<v Speaker 3>ball or a black mirror or a cup of water

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<v Speaker 3>are almost always going to be the language of the unconscious.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's not going to it's it's oftentimes super kind

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<v Speaker 3>of essential symbolic information that we're seeing. You see the

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<v Speaker 3>shape of a letter. You see something that looks like

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<v Speaker 3>a sword, you see something looks like a rabbit, and

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<v Speaker 3>I want you to not overthink what you see there,

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<v Speaker 3>but take it seriously because when we start saying that

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<v Speaker 3>what I don't understand what does the sword have to

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<v Speaker 3>do with this question? That's the symbol that's been presented

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<v Speaker 3>to you, and it's meant for you to take into

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<v Speaker 3>your heart and into consideration. I think the other thing

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<v Speaker 3>about scrying and all forms of divination is that you're

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<v Speaker 3>not going to get like the lights turned on right away.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, sometimes that happens, but very much more often

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to be in a place of needing to

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<v Speaker 3>commune with that symbol and integrate it into your experience

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<v Speaker 3>before it really kind of feels empowering, right, So, I

418
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<v Speaker 3>think there can be just a lot of anxiety around

419
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<v Speaker 3>doing it the right way. Trust what you see. I

420
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<v Speaker 3>think that that's important to do.

421
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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. Yeah. I think recording first and then interpreting later,

422
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<v Speaker 1>because that's absolutely you're always getting caught up on the

423
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<v Speaker 1>what you're seeing and trying to figure it out. But

424
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<v Speaker 1>even at the Oracle of Delphi, like it was the

425
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<v Speaker 1>oracle's job to just put all the information out there

426
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<v Speaker 1>and then it would be interpreted later, and a lot

427
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<v Speaker 1>of people get hung up on the simultaneous process of

428
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<v Speaker 1>recording and interpreting, which is you know, distracting.

429
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<v Speaker 3>Very Yeah, that's why the oracle had the profides the

430
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<v Speaker 3>priests there to take down the you know, the prophecies

431
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<v Speaker 3>for her. Yeah, it is a kind of dual like,

432
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<v Speaker 3>it's a dual nature thing. We're doing something highly irrational

433
00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:25.079
<v Speaker 3>and then trying to make it sensible to ourselves so

434
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<v Speaker 3>that we can actually like answer the question that we

435
00:25:26.920 --> 00:25:30.319
<v Speaker 3>post to whatever our tool is, you know. So, yeah,

436
00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:32.400
<v Speaker 3>it's an exercise like anything else. We have to kind

437
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<v Speaker 3>of build the muscle for sure.

438
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<v Speaker 2>You know when you think of people like I guess,

439
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:46.440
<v Speaker 2>taking down, noting what the other person's experiencing whatever, you

440
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:50.240
<v Speaker 2>do get a lot of that with I mean technically

441
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:54.759
<v Speaker 2>that was even Alista Crowley's experience. You know, he dictated

442
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<v Speaker 2>to Rose. You see a lot of things that are

443
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<v Speaker 2>actually done that way. That's just very interesting to look at.

444
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, dynamic, h yeah, you see, uh see

445
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<v Speaker 2>some interesting stuff come to be from the uh. One

446
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<v Speaker 2>thing I did want to ask you do have a

447
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<v Speaker 2>lot of methods in this book, you have like taaro astrology, numerology, palmistry, rooms,

448
00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:24.920
<v Speaker 2>pendulum work, tea leaves, bone throwing, scrying, dream interpretation. How

449
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<v Speaker 2>did you decide actually, like which ones were going to

450
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<v Speaker 2>be included?

451
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<v Speaker 3>Again like, yeah, I thought to myself, what are like

452
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:36.839
<v Speaker 3>the classics? What are the classic ones that people jump

453
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<v Speaker 3>into first? You know, so you'll notice, like I don't

454
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<v Speaker 3>have geomancy in there. I have like at I have

455
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<v Speaker 3>like a couple of pages on guomancy, but I'm not

456
00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 3>teaching people geomancy. But what do people want to know?

457
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:48.920
<v Speaker 3>They want to know how to read their palm, they

458
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:51.400
<v Speaker 3>want to know how to read their tea leaves, like

459
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:54.880
<v Speaker 3>these kinds of you know, these they felt very accessible

460
00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:59.680
<v Speaker 3>to me, the methods that I incorporated here, and I

461
00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:02.039
<v Speaker 3>want to people to feel like they had a good

462
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.599
<v Speaker 3>basis and understanding what I think are the most accepted

463
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 3>sort of standardized methods of divination out there. And you

464
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:12.880
<v Speaker 3>can go off and learn geomancy on your own from

465
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<v Speaker 3>someone else. But I wanted people to feel like, Okay,

466
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:19.319
<v Speaker 3>when you think about divination, you think about you know,

467
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.599
<v Speaker 3>telling someone's someone's fortune if you don't know anything about it,

468
00:27:22.640 --> 00:27:24.680
<v Speaker 3>that's how it seems to a person, what does that

469
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.400
<v Speaker 3>look like? What does that look like to you? So

470
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:29.480
<v Speaker 3>that's how I put it together. And there are someone

471
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:31.440
<v Speaker 3>there that are way more technical, like I have a

472
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:34.319
<v Speaker 3>chapter on the eaching, and that's a world into itself

473
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:36.839
<v Speaker 3>that was impossible to capture. But I thought that that's

474
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.839
<v Speaker 3>it is such a like, it is such an elegant

475
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.400
<v Speaker 3>and powerful divination tool that I absolutely think that anyone

476
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:47.400
<v Speaker 3>who's interested in divination should have a relationship with it.

477
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:50.000
<v Speaker 3>So I included that one that's a little bit you know, trickier,

478
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:54.079
<v Speaker 3>you know, So, yeah, it kind of I wanted to

479
00:27:54.920 --> 00:28:00.359
<v Speaker 3>give a good breath of tools. The other thing is

480
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:03.880
<v Speaker 3>I wanted a lot of different tools because some tools

481
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:06.640
<v Speaker 3>speak to us and some don't. Some people have no

482
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:11.000
<v Speaker 3>patience for astrology, and that's completely fine. Some people think

483
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 3>numerology is bogus. That's completely fine, you know. So I

484
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:16.359
<v Speaker 3>wanted people to feel like they could pick this book

485
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:17.720
<v Speaker 3>up and get some.

486
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.160
<v Speaker 2>Use out of it, like I would be interested in

487
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:22.319
<v Speaker 2>numerology and not Tea Leaves, So I get it.

488
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:23.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

489
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 1>I think it really comes down to how you connect

490
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:31.319
<v Speaker 1>with the tools that you're using to do the divination

491
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.559
<v Speaker 1>that's that seems to be one of the things if

492
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:36.599
<v Speaker 1>you if you don't feel a connection to it, forcing

493
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:40.160
<v Speaker 1>it's not going to help. So I think having the

494
00:28:40.200 --> 00:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>ability to go back and reassess is that the most

495
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.799
<v Speaker 1>important part of any divination is because if you're not

496
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:50.279
<v Speaker 1>connecting with it, it's it's a good, you know, opportunity to

497
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:54.640
<v Speaker 1>move on. There's a lot out there. I think geomancy,

498
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:57.799
<v Speaker 1>for instance, that's almost like the Western form of each right,

499
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.720
<v Speaker 1>so you can do it flipping a coin, her looking

500
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>at holes in the dirt, but you know, it's in

501
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:08.079
<v Speaker 1>that same sort of style of eaching binary whatever. So

502
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.559
<v Speaker 1>it's you know, divination can be as easy as flipping

503
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 1>a coin. And a lot of people are, you know,

504
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>superstitious about a lot of these things. But our whole

505
00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:20.440
<v Speaker 1>world is sort of translated into binary and if you

506
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.519
<v Speaker 1>can connect with that, you're good.

507
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:23.799
<v Speaker 4>You know.

508
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:27.359
<v Speaker 2>That was one thing that I thought. I think it

509
00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:29.720
<v Speaker 2>was the way you said it last time when you

510
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:31.400
<v Speaker 2>were on the show, when you kind of plug the book.

511
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.559
<v Speaker 2>You had mentioned a couple of how many you just

512
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:36.359
<v Speaker 2>rambled off a few of them, and I was like, oh, wow,

513
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:38.480
<v Speaker 2>that's pretty interesting that she included all those and then

514
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 2>I asked you to come on and I looked up

515
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the book Born I was like, damn, she's got a

516
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.640
<v Speaker 2>lot in here, and I do think. I mean, that's

517
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:47.480
<v Speaker 2>another reason why I really wanted to get you owned,

518
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.680
<v Speaker 2>just because my opinion, just from somebody who's been in

519
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:54.359
<v Speaker 2>this myself for for a few years, you do kind

520
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:58.000
<v Speaker 2>of cover the basics in the classics. So I was

521
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:00.400
<v Speaker 2>very impressed that you actually did that much.

522
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<v Speaker 3>So good, thank you, Thank you. Yeah. I think we

523
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:08.240
<v Speaker 3>have to have integrity in our work, and if someone

524
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:10.559
<v Speaker 3>asks me to write a book on divination, I'm definitely

525
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.000
<v Speaker 3>going to try my best to make it so that

526
00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:18.440
<v Speaker 3>it's a thorough exploration of the art and let people

527
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:21.079
<v Speaker 3>have as many ways of accessing it as possible so

528
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:23.920
<v Speaker 3>that they don't turn away from it. Like I think

529
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:27.079
<v Speaker 3>that these are very useful helpful tools, kind of like

530
00:30:27.079 --> 00:30:28.839
<v Speaker 3>what I was saying about astrology. It gives us more

531
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:32.119
<v Speaker 3>ways to understand ourselves. We have a lot of problems

532
00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:35.319
<v Speaker 3>in this world, and I don't think that divinations the cure,

533
00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:38.799
<v Speaker 3>but I do think that having a spiritual or magical

534
00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:43.000
<v Speaker 3>practice is going to connect you to yourself and it's

535
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:45.440
<v Speaker 3>going to remind you that you have a soul and

536
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.599
<v Speaker 3>that's an important thing to remember these days. So yeah,

537
00:30:48.680 --> 00:30:53.559
<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you saying that that it does cover the classics,

538
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.640
<v Speaker 3>and yeah, I hope other people find us there too.

539
00:30:58.359 --> 00:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Of course, no real quick too, and then hell, let's

540
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:06.039
<v Speaker 2>read it anything. Out of all the systems in the book,

541
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.000
<v Speaker 2>are there may be one or two that you would

542
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:16.119
<v Speaker 2>think are especially misunderstood that's so like demonized, like.

543
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 3>I think they're all But okay, So I do think

544
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.599
<v Speaker 3>that scrying, like the crystal ball thing, is such a stereotype,

545
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:29.160
<v Speaker 3>like of like kind of right, yeah, exactly exactly, So

546
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:32.119
<v Speaker 3>I think that that's one answer. And then I also

547
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:37.599
<v Speaker 3>do think that I do think that astrology is really misunderstood.

548
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:39.920
<v Speaker 3>And maybe that's my answer because that's my main discipline.

549
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:44.160
<v Speaker 3>But you know, when people don't understand astrology, they really

550
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:47.400
<v Speaker 3>don't understand, they really misunderstand it. They really think that

551
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:49.920
<v Speaker 3>it is or that or they think that if you're

552
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:56.240
<v Speaker 3>into it, you're like crazy or you're you're absurd, because

553
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.720
<v Speaker 3>what do you mean, you know? The planets and the

554
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:01.880
<v Speaker 3>day that you were born has anything to do with

555
00:32:01.920 --> 00:32:03.839
<v Speaker 3>the rest of your life. It has everything to do

556
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:07.480
<v Speaker 3>with it, obviously, but it's such a large claim that

557
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:10.640
<v Speaker 3>I think that it's hard for non believers to parse.

558
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.480
<v Speaker 3>So I think that, you know, maybe I've had the

559
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:16.240
<v Speaker 3>most conversations with people about astrology and that's why it's

560
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.759
<v Speaker 3>the top of mind, But I do think that that

561
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.680
<v Speaker 3>is an unfairly judged art form and taro too, you know,

562
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:25.640
<v Speaker 3>because people are like, oh, you're just pulling a card.

563
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:28.440
<v Speaker 3>You can make anything up that you want. Sure, true,

564
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.240
<v Speaker 3>you can. But if you're going to a practitioner that

565
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:37.440
<v Speaker 3>you trust, they're informed, they're in touch, and they're reading

566
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:43.599
<v Speaker 3>a symbolic language to you, So no, yeah, thank you.

567
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:47.039
<v Speaker 1>I find a lot of people don't connect the idea

568
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:51.119
<v Speaker 1>of astrology with the idea of the soul, even though

569
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.920
<v Speaker 1>your son sign is what gives you that sort of

570
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:58.880
<v Speaker 1>basic symbol that you're sort of having to deal with

571
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:00.960
<v Speaker 1>for the rest of your life, and that sign is

572
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:04.240
<v Speaker 1>called the soul, right, that's the Latin word for it.

573
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:09.039
<v Speaker 1>So it's like there's an impression that's left that carries

574
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:12.599
<v Speaker 1>through to the other aspects of your life, and that

575
00:33:12.720 --> 00:33:16.680
<v Speaker 1>insouling process is coming to understand yourself. It goes back

576
00:33:16.720 --> 00:33:20.039
<v Speaker 1>to the Delphic maximum number one know thyself these are

577
00:33:20.079 --> 00:33:22.759
<v Speaker 1>different aspects that you might not be fully aware of

578
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>that give you the tools that you can deal with

579
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:29.279
<v Speaker 1>some of the things that normally come up associated with

580
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 1>these signs. I think a lot of people don't realize

581
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:34.480
<v Speaker 1>that this kind of stuff goes back forty thousand years.

582
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:38.599
<v Speaker 1>So as they're observing all of these signs and symbols

583
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:40.359
<v Speaker 1>having to do with these different parts of the year

584
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:43.319
<v Speaker 1>and the different elemental qualities of them, what they're doing

585
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>is they're actually tapping into ancient ancestral knowledge that's been

586
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:51.079
<v Speaker 1>passed down and examined and re examined over and over

587
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:52.079
<v Speaker 1>again throughout time.

588
00:33:54.359 --> 00:33:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

589
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.359
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, and that's something that I teach in my classes.

590
00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 3>I want people to understand that we're not just doing

591
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.839
<v Speaker 3>superficial bubble gum astrology of like oh, passion, I find

592
00:34:03.839 --> 00:34:06.400
<v Speaker 3>my next partner, or like what should my job be? Like, Yeah,

593
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:09.119
<v Speaker 3>those are important questions. I get it, and you know,

594
00:34:09.199 --> 00:34:11.079
<v Speaker 3>I've wondered that myself a lot in my life. But

595
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:14.920
<v Speaker 3>we have to remember that this is like a tool

596
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.400
<v Speaker 3>that does help us find the soul in a really

597
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:20.039
<v Speaker 3>powerful way. And so that's why I really like to

598
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:24.719
<v Speaker 3>bring myth and mythic story into my chart interpretation practice.

599
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:28.920
<v Speaker 3>I find that very very helpful for people, especially when

600
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:32.199
<v Speaker 3>working with asteroids, which is kind of like another valance

601
00:34:32.360 --> 00:34:36.880
<v Speaker 3>of astrological inquiry. But you know, it's it's just there.

602
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:41.719
<v Speaker 3>It's no accident that the planets are named after Olympian gods.

603
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:46.519
<v Speaker 3>Constellations too, are named after these mythic characters. We need

604
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:51.639
<v Speaker 3>to bring that back into astrological practice in a meaningful way,

605
00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:54.440
<v Speaker 3>and that's how people find their own story in their

606
00:34:54.519 --> 00:34:57.599
<v Speaker 3>chart a lot of the time. So I feel very

607
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:58.519
<v Speaker 3>strongly about.

608
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:04.079
<v Speaker 1>That absolutely, And that asteroid bit is so important because

609
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 1>it goes back to the Catholic Church. Again, the Catholic

610
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Church are the ones who named all of the asteroids.

611
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:11.440
<v Speaker 1>We did a great show with the Astrologer where we

612
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:15.679
<v Speaker 1>were talking about how, hey, they're still doing the magic

613
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.519
<v Speaker 1>that they say is banned for everybody else, only they're

614
00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:21.119
<v Speaker 1>associating it with these asteroids that they track from their

615
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:26.559
<v Speaker 1>Lucifer telescope. It's like, what's going on here, guys? I mean,

616
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:29.760
<v Speaker 1>so they're kind of keeping it in house and we're

617
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 1>just sort of looking in from the outside. But there's

618
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of really it's like another tumbler, right, So

619
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.920
<v Speaker 1>you've got the zodiac signs, that would be a tumblr.

620
00:35:38.159 --> 00:35:40.239
<v Speaker 1>You've got the planets, that's a tumbler, and then the

621
00:35:40.320 --> 00:35:42.880
<v Speaker 1>asteroids are like another tumbler. So you get a full

622
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.679
<v Speaker 1>message when you incorporate all of these different aspects.

623
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:51.000
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. Yeah. I offer a style of reading where I

624
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.039
<v Speaker 3>ask people before they book with me to tell me

625
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:57.400
<v Speaker 3>which stories or fairy tales or meths resonate most of them,

626
00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:01.440
<v Speaker 3>or characters would archetypal forms, whatever, and they'll give me

627
00:36:01.480 --> 00:36:03.559
<v Speaker 3>a list of things, and then I will go. Because

628
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.000
<v Speaker 3>there are thousands and thousands of asteroids, We're not going

629
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<v Speaker 3>to put all the asteroids in a person's chart to

630
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:10.400
<v Speaker 3>begin with, but I will pick out asteroids that I

631
00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:12.280
<v Speaker 3>believe are either resonant or are like a one to

632
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:15.800
<v Speaker 3>one correlation. Someone's like, oh, I'm you know, obsessed with

633
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:20.440
<v Speaker 3>like Persephone, like so many people are. I'll put the

634
00:36:20.480 --> 00:36:24.719
<v Speaker 3>Persephone asteroids in the chart. It always lands in a

635
00:36:24.920 --> 00:36:28.199
<v Speaker 3>significant place for this person, and it is It's like

636
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 3>backwards divination. It feels so cool because then I get

637
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:33.119
<v Speaker 3>to come to my sessions and I'm like, you'll never

638
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 3>guess what I found. You have this cosmic, faded connection

639
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:40.920
<v Speaker 3>to this character and then we get to explore how

640
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:44.880
<v Speaker 3>the relationship between the asteroid and that planet, you know,

641
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.079
<v Speaker 3>what they mean for one another, and how you can

642
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 3>understand that planet in your chart through the lens of

643
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:54.840
<v Speaker 3>that story. And so you know, Yeah, the astrologer Dimitro George,

644
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:57.840
<v Speaker 3>who is like one of my kind of guiding lights,

645
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:02.599
<v Speaker 3>says that asteroids are the dimon and we can see

646
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.320
<v Speaker 3>diamon in these asteroids connected to the planets, and so

647
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.119
<v Speaker 3>it's like a version of that guiding spirit for whatever

648
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:13.320
<v Speaker 3>planet it's connected to. And it's such a fascinating idea.

649
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:17.800
<v Speaker 3>It gets it just yeah, goes goes crazy. But yeah,

650
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:19.519
<v Speaker 3>I'll stop rambling about asteroids now.

651
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.400
<v Speaker 1>No. I think it's really important because people don't realize

652
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:26.519
<v Speaker 1>this stuff. Like Edgar Casey, for example, his asteroid that

653
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:29.280
<v Speaker 1>he was born under was a Scluppy as the healer

654
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.119
<v Speaker 1>healed people while he was asleep, you know, and the

655
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>sleeping profit angle is what they call the guy, and

656
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's there's so many different correlations and people

657
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:43.679
<v Speaker 1>are just completely unaware that there's a whole different avenue

658
00:37:43.679 --> 00:37:48.039
<v Speaker 1>of astrology that is being used. The astrologer we had

659
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.920
<v Speaker 1>on was a forensic astrologer, so she was actually using

660
00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.960
<v Speaker 1>this data to try to figure out how people died.

661
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, because you got all the data right there,

662
00:37:56.840 --> 00:38:01.119
<v Speaker 1>why don't you apply that to solving crimes? So really interesting.

663
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:05.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'll share like one asteroid story. I you know,

664
00:38:05.599 --> 00:38:07.920
<v Speaker 3>months ago, we were trying to figure out what to

665
00:38:08.280 --> 00:38:12.920
<v Speaker 3>name our baby. And that's the biggest deal ever, right

666
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:14.920
<v Speaker 3>because names are spells, and I was like, how do

667
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.679
<v Speaker 3>I name a person? What do I do? And it

668
00:38:17.719 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 3>took a really long time to figure it out, and

669
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:21.360
<v Speaker 3>we finally landed on a name, and we chose the

670
00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:26.039
<v Speaker 3>name Gabriel for many reasons, and just out of curiosity.

671
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:27.760
<v Speaker 3>I had never looked this up before, but I was like,

672
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:30.480
<v Speaker 3>I bet there's a Gabriel asteroid because he's an archangel.

673
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:32.199
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, there's got to be a Gabriel asteroid.

674
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:36.000
<v Speaker 3>I put it into my chart. It is perfectly conjunct

675
00:38:36.239 --> 00:38:39.119
<v Speaker 3>my son. That was that blew me away, same degree,

676
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 3>almost the same minute. I was in tears. And then

677
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:44.599
<v Speaker 3>I plugged it into my husband's chart to see where

678
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 3>Gabriel is in his chart, and it was also conjunct

679
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:50.519
<v Speaker 3>his son. But we're born five years apart. He's a

680
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:53.360
<v Speaker 3>scorpio I'm a virgo, like, we don't have that placement

681
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:56.440
<v Speaker 3>in common at all. And so for our kid to

682
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:59.719
<v Speaker 3>have the asteroid for his name conjunct our sons, which is,

683
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:04.480
<v Speaker 3>like you said, soul or essence, it was crazy. It

684
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:09.280
<v Speaker 3>was crazy. So that was really fun and yeah, well

685
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 3>that's wild.

686
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>There is something about that nominative determinism where what you're

687
00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:18.440
<v Speaker 1>named ends up producing something that you do in life,

688
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.920
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of people just completely overlook that when

689
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:26.000
<v Speaker 1>it comes to well, what does you know, what does

690
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.519
<v Speaker 1>a smith do? What is all this other stuff? And

691
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 1>it's something that you're burdened with in some cases and in

692
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 1>other ways that you're you know, empowered by. So I

693
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:38.119
<v Speaker 1>think naming is very important when it comes to astrology,

694
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:41.840
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to divination, the naming process is part

695
00:39:41.880 --> 00:39:44.719
<v Speaker 1>of the magical process. And this is what in spelling

696
00:39:44.840 --> 00:39:45.679
<v Speaker 1>stuff is you know.

697
00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:50.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So what are some of your favorite ones

698
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:51.440
<v Speaker 2>that you put in the book.

699
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:59.159
<v Speaker 3>My favorites are going to be obviously astrology, Taro. I

700
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:02.400
<v Speaker 3>care deeply about eachang is. We were already talking about

701
00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:08.039
<v Speaker 3>other favorite ones. I have bibliomancy in there, I have

702
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 3>dream work in there. Hang on, I'm gonna look at

703
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:14.679
<v Speaker 3>my table of contents because I wrote this a while ago. Yeah,

704
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:18.079
<v Speaker 3>I love the bibliomancy Dreams and Scrying chapter. I think

705
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:23.679
<v Speaker 3>that bibliomancy is a really overlooked, very very accessible form

706
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:28.599
<v Speaker 3>of divination for people. And I also really love divining

707
00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:32.159
<v Speaker 3>with pendulums. I think that that's another simple but very

708
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:36.719
<v Speaker 3>very revealing tool that people can can make use of.

709
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:43.280
<v Speaker 3>So you know those are are my top handful. Yeah, yeah,

710
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:45.119
<v Speaker 3>thank you.

711
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:48.199
<v Speaker 1>And Kats love pendulum scruying too, so much though that

712
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I can't find my pendulum anymore.

713
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Beans, Beans got you. That's funny. That's a funny character.

714
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:01.960
<v Speaker 2>You can't have you ever had an experience in your

715
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:05.719
<v Speaker 2>own practice that genuinely surprised you or changed your understanding

716
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:06.360
<v Speaker 2>of divination.

717
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:15.199
<v Speaker 3>I think that I have accidentally channeled. This is going

718
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:17.679
<v Speaker 3>to sound crazy, but I feel like I've I always

719
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.559
<v Speaker 3>I invite in the energy that wants to reveal itself,

720
00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:28.320
<v Speaker 3>and so sometimes, especially when reading for people astrologically, like

721
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 3>a loved one will come in and that always surprises me.

722
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:33.480
<v Speaker 3>And that doesn't happen super often, but the times that

723
00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:36.760
<v Speaker 3>it has, it's been like very very strange and very

724
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:41.559
<v Speaker 3>powerful and very affirming of like this practice is not

725
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:45.239
<v Speaker 3>just real but also like important again for that connective

726
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:49.800
<v Speaker 3>ancestral piece of the puzzle, you know. I do find

727
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 3>that when I read people's charts and or pull cards

728
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:56.880
<v Speaker 3>for them, when you hit on something without knowing this

729
00:41:56.960 --> 00:42:00.119
<v Speaker 3>person at all and just having data in front of

730
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:01.960
<v Speaker 3>you in the form of a chart or just asking

731
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:07.039
<v Speaker 3>them a question, it's really really exciting, even if the

732
00:42:07.079 --> 00:42:10.840
<v Speaker 3>story that they're sharing with you is a heavy one.

733
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:13.360
<v Speaker 3>I always get excited that I get to say, like,

734
00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:17.159
<v Speaker 3>this is we're affirming this experience because this is shown

735
00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:19.280
<v Speaker 3>in the chart or shown in the card that's coming up,

736
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:22.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, So I think that, yeah, on a more

737
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 3>grounded level, when we get those hits, which happens often

738
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:32.079
<v Speaker 3>because astrology is so good at pinpointing people's experiences, that's amazing.

739
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:34.920
<v Speaker 3>And then you know the surprise element of like a

740
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 3>message coming through that's not of the chart, but the

741
00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.360
<v Speaker 3>chart can be kind of an energetic conto it for

742
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 3>That's that's the most surprising thing that happens.

743
00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:47.599
<v Speaker 2>Have you ever gotten like somebody's chart and looked at

744
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.440
<v Speaker 2>it and be like, oh, wow, this is already good,

745
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:51.800
<v Speaker 2>Like it looked interesting already, Like oh this might be

746
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:52.320
<v Speaker 2>a good one.

747
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:58.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh yeah, oh for sure, I mean yes, yeah.

748
00:42:58.039 --> 00:42:59.719
<v Speaker 3>But you know it's funny too because you can look

749
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:03.559
<v Speaker 3>at it chart and it can look really really boring,

750
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:06.400
<v Speaker 3>and the person that shows up can be bonkers. Like

751
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.320
<v Speaker 3>it can look like, oh, what's this all looks fine?

752
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Uh?

753
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.840
<v Speaker 3>You know I've read for people, for example, who have like,

754
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.599
<v Speaker 3>in astrology, we have this this doctrine of like rulership

755
00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:20.920
<v Speaker 3>and astrological tradition says that in order for a planet

756
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:23.239
<v Speaker 3>to be functioning at its best, it should be in

757
00:43:23.360 --> 00:43:26.639
<v Speaker 3>its sign of domicile or exaltation, meaning like aligned with

758
00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:31.639
<v Speaker 3>the sign that it's assigned to basically, and like with

759
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:35.719
<v Speaker 3>that philosophy, the best charts are the ones where people

760
00:43:35.800 --> 00:43:41.039
<v Speaker 3>have planets in their home sign. For me, I find

761
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:45.239
<v Speaker 3>that people who have like every single like of their

762
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.440
<v Speaker 3>you know, personal planets in their sign of domicile, they

763
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:51.960
<v Speaker 3>can have them like a big struggle. And I don't

764
00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:53.440
<v Speaker 3>really know why. I don't know what that's about, but

765
00:43:53.800 --> 00:43:55.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, so I think that looks can be deceiving,

766
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.480
<v Speaker 3>But I can always tell when a chart does look

767
00:43:58.519 --> 00:43:59.920
<v Speaker 3>like it's a little bit of like a lightning bul

768
00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.519
<v Speaker 3>for a person to live with for sure, but you

769
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:05.880
<v Speaker 3>can also be tricked by a really calm looking chart. Yeah,

770
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.280
<v Speaker 3>if I see uranus on the ascendant or descendant, I

771
00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:11.559
<v Speaker 3>know that I'm going to have a wacky conversation with

772
00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:13.159
<v Speaker 3>someone and it's gonna be great.

773
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:20.039
<v Speaker 2>That's funny. I gotta look at mine now. Oh jeez.

774
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:22.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Wait, what are your guys signs?

775
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:24.880
<v Speaker 2>How many areas? Nice?

776
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:31.119
<v Speaker 3>Nice? Wow? So you guys are polar opposites on the spectrum.

777
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:33.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah cool, it.

778
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:35.119
<v Speaker 1>Seems to be the only people I get along with.

779
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.000
<v Speaker 3>That's cool. Well, that's good to reach for the other

780
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:39.559
<v Speaker 3>that's what you're supposed to do as a libras.

781
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:45.960
<v Speaker 2>So you know, nice dadlas, Did you have anything you

782
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:46.440
<v Speaker 2>wanted to ask?

783
00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:51.719
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's there's a lot more to that water divination

784
00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:55.199
<v Speaker 1>than people even know. Like right now, Uh, there's a

785
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:58.480
<v Speaker 1>woman named Beta Austin on Instagram that does this thing

786
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 1>where she, uh you is these plates of water, these

787
00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 1>like Petri dishes. She asks the question, puts it in

788
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:09.199
<v Speaker 1>the freezer and then a glyph will emerge in the

789
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:12.760
<v Speaker 1>ice as it's freezing, and so she'll pull it out

790
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:15.159
<v Speaker 1>and like you know, take pictures of it. And sometimes

791
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 1>these things are just strikingly similar to the objects or

792
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.199
<v Speaker 1>the questions that she's asking, Like she's got pictures all

793
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:24.719
<v Speaker 1>of our instagram of this, so it almost seems like

794
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.480
<v Speaker 1>there's a memory to the water. And if we're made

795
00:45:27.559 --> 00:45:32.639
<v Speaker 1>of ninety percent water, you know by volume, what's that

796
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:35.920
<v Speaker 1>mean about us? Like we're repositories of this early memory.

797
00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:38.199
<v Speaker 1>And I think in a lot of ways, the scrying

798
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:40.679
<v Speaker 1>and all the rest of these aspects are just sort

799
00:45:40.719 --> 00:45:44.239
<v Speaker 1>of connecting with that water memory that is within us.

800
00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:48.599
<v Speaker 1>And you know, also the planets are shaping the energies

801
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:51.280
<v Speaker 1>that are hitting that water. So it's it almost is

802
00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:52.960
<v Speaker 1>the through line between all of it.

803
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:58.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, yeah, yeah, ok ahead.

804
00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:01.280
<v Speaker 2>There was you know when you talk about that, you know,

805
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:05.519
<v Speaker 2>with the whole water thing, there's something that I covered.

806
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:07.760
<v Speaker 2>I forgot exactly which place it was. I covered a

807
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:09.960
<v Speaker 2>few different places on this show that's coming out soon

808
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:13.760
<v Speaker 2>with like places with the neuro architecture and like the

809
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.079
<v Speaker 2>somatics all that stuff, And there was one that it

810
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 2>was severe enough to where they said that it would

811
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.039
<v Speaker 2>definitely affect your bones and your skull. And then when

812
00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.039
<v Speaker 2>you think about that, your brains surrounded by water, what's

813
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 2>happening then if you getting vibrations smacking your skull had

814
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:33.119
<v Speaker 2>enough to affect that, just wonder what stuff's going on,

815
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:41.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, the side of a person's body might. After

816
00:46:41.239 --> 00:46:44.400
<v Speaker 2>someone finishes Divination for Dummies, what do you hope changes

817
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:46.800
<v Speaker 2>in the way they see symbols ritual in their own

818
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:47.480
<v Speaker 2>inner life.

819
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:51.599
<v Speaker 3>I hope they feel like they have access to it

820
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.800
<v Speaker 3>and like they have renewed confidence and the fact that

821
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:57.800
<v Speaker 3>they get to build relationship with it going forward. So

822
00:46:57.840 --> 00:47:02.400
<v Speaker 3>I think that one one of the most important parts

823
00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:04.360
<v Speaker 3>of the book to me. It's you know, yes, like

824
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:07.679
<v Speaker 3>I have these kind of core chapters on different divination

825
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:10.760
<v Speaker 3>techniques that a person can learn, but I also spend

826
00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:13.039
<v Speaker 3>a lot of time in the book talking about how

827
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:17.360
<v Speaker 3>to bring divination into your creative practice. I think that

828
00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:21.639
<v Speaker 3>divination and art are really important to hold together. I

829
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.360
<v Speaker 3>talk a lot about personal ritual and how to facilitate

830
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:30.119
<v Speaker 3>good ritual hygiene, good energetic hygiene for yourself, you know.

831
00:47:30.239 --> 00:47:33.360
<v Speaker 3>So I think that this book differs maybe from other

832
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:37.400
<v Speaker 3>handbooks in that you're getting the how to guide, but

833
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.559
<v Speaker 3>then I kind of wanted to create like a scaffolding

834
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:42.400
<v Speaker 3>for people around it, so you're not just picking up

835
00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:44.280
<v Speaker 3>a book on how to read a poem and walking

836
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.840
<v Speaker 3>away from it, but you have like tools and steps

837
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:52.480
<v Speaker 3>and like, you know, suggestions of how to incorporate it

838
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.440
<v Speaker 3>into your life. That's always what I like to do

839
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:58.159
<v Speaker 3>with my people that I read for. It's like, how

840
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.159
<v Speaker 3>do we get this off the screen or off the

841
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.760
<v Speaker 3>page and make it embodied? And so I hope that

842
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:06.159
<v Speaker 3>that's what the book is going to be able to

843
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:09.039
<v Speaker 3>do for people. That was like a really important piece

844
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:13.039
<v Speaker 3>of the puzzle for me, right, that.

845
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.920
<v Speaker 1>That spiritual hygiene aspect is so important. What are your

846
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:20.039
<v Speaker 1>practices in engaging in spiritual hygiene before and after divination?

847
00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Because you know, clearing after is often more important than

848
00:48:23.440 --> 00:48:24.159
<v Speaker 1>clearing before.

849
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:29.960
<v Speaker 3>I really like the days that I don't clear after,

850
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:33.639
<v Speaker 3>I put myself up for the rest of the day,

851
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.719
<v Speaker 3>I will say, because sometimes we're in a rush and

852
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:42.159
<v Speaker 3>that's what happens. But before before I sit down, I

853
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:45.360
<v Speaker 3>like to call in my own guides, Right, I do

854
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.079
<v Speaker 3>a lot of kind of visualization of my space. I

855
00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:52.400
<v Speaker 3>like to cast a dome over myself before I start

856
00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:56.599
<v Speaker 3>reading for somebody to just create a create an energetic barrier,

857
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:01.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, I think that that is the most important

858
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:04.360
<v Speaker 3>thing that I do. I also like to read accompanied

859
00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:08.840
<v Speaker 3>by some talismanic objects that I think are grounding or guiding,

860
00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:13.719
<v Speaker 3>And you know, I work with certain fixed stars and

861
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:16.880
<v Speaker 3>certain other deities and like to have that in the

862
00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:20.800
<v Speaker 3>mix just to kind of keep everything aligned and protected.

863
00:49:21.440 --> 00:49:26.000
<v Speaker 3>And you know, even for something as conversational maybe and

864
00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.320
<v Speaker 3>social as an astrology reading can be right because you're

865
00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:33.000
<v Speaker 3>making jokes, you're talking about your life, you're sharing about

866
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:35.639
<v Speaker 3>your past. It can feel kind of normal, but we're

867
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:39.599
<v Speaker 3>actually doing work that's really magical, and we are reaching

868
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:43.159
<v Speaker 3>into the energetic space between us. So I invite my

869
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:47.000
<v Speaker 3>clients to also like ground in with me, imagine that

870
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:51.119
<v Speaker 3>protective layer around them, and then afterwards for clearing, I

871
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.519
<v Speaker 3>do have like a mist that I like to use

872
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:57.559
<v Speaker 3>in my space to attribute it to a fixed star,

873
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:01.800
<v Speaker 3>and I like to really just do like a grounding

874
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:04.440
<v Speaker 3>check in with my body and just like imagine I'm

875
00:50:04.480 --> 00:50:07.840
<v Speaker 3>peeling off that conversation because it sticks with you, you know,

876
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:10.199
<v Speaker 3>even if it's not a heavy one, I wind up

877
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:12.000
<v Speaker 3>thinking about that person's story for the rest of the

878
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:17.039
<v Speaker 3>day probably regardless. But yeah, those so those are my attempts.

879
00:50:17.960 --> 00:50:21.599
<v Speaker 1>Right, that energetic hygiene is is what I think a

880
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:24.039
<v Speaker 1>lot of people miss in their everyday lives anyway. You know,

881
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:27.400
<v Speaker 1>it's it's like, if you're not clearing off that negative

882
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:30.360
<v Speaker 1>energy that people are carrying around with them, you're carrying

883
00:50:30.440 --> 00:50:34.719
<v Speaker 1>it too. It's very contagious in a lot of ways.

884
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:37.760
<v Speaker 1>People know that, you know, I mean they could feel

885
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:40.639
<v Speaker 1>that from other people, but they just don't associate it. Well,

886
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.079
<v Speaker 1>maybe this is what you got to do to get

887
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.159
<v Speaker 1>rid of that energy so it's not stuck to you

888
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.800
<v Speaker 1>all the time. And uh yeah, I think I think

889
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:49.840
<v Speaker 1>that's very important. You know, you don't want to live

890
00:50:50.039 --> 00:50:53.000
<v Speaker 1>somebody else's life that they're carrying around with themselves.

891
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, yeah, you know, I even remember, I mean,

892
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:59.000
<v Speaker 2>regardless of that's what your opinion of it was. Even

893
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:01.880
<v Speaker 2>during I remember going grocery shopping during COVID, it was

894
00:51:01.920 --> 00:51:03.360
<v Speaker 2>like calling back home. I was like, I feel like

895
00:51:03.400 --> 00:51:05.679
<v Speaker 2>I just came home with everybody's fucking anxiety and feel

896
00:51:05.719 --> 00:51:06.960
<v Speaker 2>with them.

897
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:08.440
<v Speaker 3>Totally.

898
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:11.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you walked into the place and you just felt it.

899
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:12.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh fuck, I just want to get

900
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:12.800
<v Speaker 2>out of you.

901
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.519
<v Speaker 3>It's it's so real. It's such a real thing. Yeah, So.

902
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Would you mind if maybe I asked you, like, maybe

903
00:51:23.199 --> 00:51:26.039
<v Speaker 2>like one or two certain types of divination that maybe

904
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:29.199
<v Speaker 2>we could talk about. Yeah. Yeah, as cheesy as it is,

905
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.039
<v Speaker 2>I am interested in you doing the bone to us

906
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:32.360
<v Speaker 2>and talking about that.

907
00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:34.639
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So I want to say something about that this

908
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:37.280
<v Speaker 3>and this is no shape to my publisher, But they

909
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.400
<v Speaker 3>had that in the description of the book, and I've

910
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:42.440
<v Speaker 3>told them a few times that that's not in the

911
00:51:42.480 --> 00:51:47.199
<v Speaker 3>book because that's a close practice, Hi kitty, Okay, So

912
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:51.519
<v Speaker 3>that is a question mark for me. What I do

913
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:55.000
<v Speaker 3>do in the book is charm casting, Right, So I

914
00:51:55.159 --> 00:52:00.480
<v Speaker 3>talk about bone throwing and you know, it's origin and

915
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:02.960
<v Speaker 3>stuff like that. But then I'm like, this is a

916
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:06.360
<v Speaker 3>close practice we're going to talk about. We're going to

917
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:08.320
<v Speaker 3>talk about how to make your own set of charms

918
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:11.400
<v Speaker 3>and how to cast them. So that's an awkward answer,

919
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:12.480
<v Speaker 3>but that's the honest answer.

920
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:17.840
<v Speaker 2>Hell's did you have one maybe you wanted to ask about?

921
00:52:19.639 --> 00:52:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Sure? Yeah. So one of the things that I like

922
00:52:24.360 --> 00:52:27.480
<v Speaker 1>to do is or a viewing, right, and more viewing,

923
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:33.239
<v Speaker 1>especially when it comes to natural landscapes, can really give

924
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:36.440
<v Speaker 1>you a deeper insight into what's around you. Would you

925
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:40.199
<v Speaker 1>consider or viewing to be a form of divination? Oh?

926
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:45.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course, absolutely, Yeah, anything where you're communing with

927
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:52.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, that kind of symbolic insight, especially from something

928
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:57.719
<v Speaker 3>natural and or supernatural, is definitely divination in my book. Right,

929
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:01.639
<v Speaker 3>So you're scanning the landscape and looking for what the

930
00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:04.280
<v Speaker 3>quality of that environment is, and it's going to give

931
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:07.679
<v Speaker 3>you information about what you're surrounded by. I think that's

932
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:11.039
<v Speaker 3>a really cool idea and definitely a divinatory form.

933
00:53:11.960 --> 00:53:14.199
<v Speaker 1>Definitely helps with weather prediction, I'll tell you that much.

934
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:16.880
<v Speaker 1>You can cool to see a store store goverment from

935
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Speaker 1>days off and things like that. So it's yeah, it's

936
00:53:20.440 --> 00:53:25.079
<v Speaker 1>it's very physically grounding too when you're actually you know,

937
00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:27.880
<v Speaker 1>taking that in. But you know, I think that kind

938
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:31.480
<v Speaker 1>of goes into clouds as well. You've got the idea

939
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:34.559
<v Speaker 1>that clouds making shapes in the sky have a certain

940
00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:36.480
<v Speaker 1>meaning or something like that, and I think a lot

941
00:53:36.480 --> 00:53:40.960
<v Speaker 1>of people miss the idea that the clouds are taking

942
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.559
<v Speaker 1>in your energy as well as putting out energy of

943
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:47.119
<v Speaker 1>its own. So there's there's an interchange between the two.

944
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, as above so below right, that's how it all.

945
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Works exactly, especially with animals, you know, I mean they're

946
00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:58.519
<v Speaker 1>picking up on your energy as well as you know,

947
00:53:58.639 --> 00:54:02.199
<v Speaker 1>giving you their their energy as well. So all of

948
00:54:02.239 --> 00:54:06.320
<v Speaker 1>these things are sort of part of living the divinatory life,

949
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:08.800
<v Speaker 1>you know. I think that's that's the key too, is

950
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:11.920
<v Speaker 1>like being in touch with your environment means having that

951
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:13.159
<v Speaker 1>divinatory connection.

952
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:18.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that. Yeah, yeah for sure. And that's

953
00:54:18.079 --> 00:54:22.199
<v Speaker 3>why I love astrology as like a starter divinatory slash

954
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:26.039
<v Speaker 3>magical practice because it gives you a literal like language

955
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:30.639
<v Speaker 3>for understanding like venus means, you know, embodiment, values, pleasure

956
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:32.920
<v Speaker 3>of beauty, and then we look for the Venusian in

957
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.679
<v Speaker 3>the world around us. I think that writing a book

958
00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:40.199
<v Speaker 3>like Divination for Dummies was a funny task because I

959
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:43.559
<v Speaker 3>think that I was just It's like we're giving people

960
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:45.519
<v Speaker 3>lots of different ways to do the same thing, which

961
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:50.079
<v Speaker 3>is to commune with their intuition, their guides and the

962
00:54:50.119 --> 00:54:53.159
<v Speaker 3>information that is kind of held in nature or in

963
00:54:53.199 --> 00:54:56.440
<v Speaker 3>the supernatural. And you don't have to have a codified

964
00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:58.840
<v Speaker 3>form in order to do that, right, Like you can

965
00:54:59.639 --> 00:55:03.880
<v Speaker 3>literally be just in relationship with archetypal forms and know

966
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:06.360
<v Speaker 3>when you see, like I'll see a cloud that looks

967
00:55:06.519 --> 00:55:08.760
<v Speaker 3>jubytarian to me, can I describe what that means?

968
00:55:08.800 --> 00:55:09.119
<v Speaker 2>Now?

969
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:11.719
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it looks very grand it looks very kingly, and

970
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:15.719
<v Speaker 3>I'm like, Okay, there's a jubiterarian energy in this part

971
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:17.639
<v Speaker 3>of my day and I'm going to enjoy that, you know.

972
00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:21.880
<v Speaker 3>So like learning how to read your environment and read

973
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:25.599
<v Speaker 3>the world that way can be really I think empowering

974
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:30.360
<v Speaker 3>and just yeah, we're working with ancient primordial forms, as

975
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.920
<v Speaker 3>un calls it, the archetypes, right, so we all have

976
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.920
<v Speaker 3>relationship with it, whether or not we realize it. And

977
00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:39.400
<v Speaker 3>that's what I think divination reminds us of, regardless if

978
00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:43.400
<v Speaker 3>you're doing tea leaves or palmistry or ruins, whatever it is.

979
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I think it's funny that you named it,

980
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:50.679
<v Speaker 1>you know, divination for dummies, because having a highly associated

981
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:55.320
<v Speaker 1>mind actually expands and creates better memory in the brain.

982
00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:58.639
<v Speaker 1>So basically, if you're starting out Divination for Dummies, you're

983
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.400
<v Speaker 1>not going to finish the book as it It's gonna

984
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:02.639
<v Speaker 1>be that simple.

985
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:06.559
<v Speaker 3>That's the hope, and no one's a dummy who picks

986
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:09.480
<v Speaker 3>it up. It's that's the book series title. And I

987
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:13.880
<v Speaker 3>think that it's so misleading because you know, no one

988
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:16.760
<v Speaker 3>wants to feel like they're a dummy, but it's signifying

989
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:21.840
<v Speaker 3>like this is the beginner's introduction invitation into this topic. Yeah,

990
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:24.000
<v Speaker 3>and hopefully you are very enlightened when you're done.

991
00:56:25.800 --> 00:56:31.800
<v Speaker 2>I like that one question I did have, and I just, uh,

992
00:56:33.119 --> 00:56:37.679
<v Speaker 2>I think this is an interesting question. Actually, what does

993
00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:43.960
<v Speaker 2>a mature differ diviner understand that a beginner usually doesn't

994
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:45.199
<v Speaker 2>mm hmm.

995
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:49.599
<v Speaker 3>It's a great question, and I'm sure we all have

996
00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:53.519
<v Speaker 3>an answer to it too, but I think, right, yeah,

997
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:57.360
<v Speaker 3>it's like a great, a great practitioner question. I think

998
00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:05.119
<v Speaker 3>that the mature dive knows very well that even if

999
00:57:05.159 --> 00:57:08.440
<v Speaker 3>you divine a message, or you read a symbol, or

1000
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:13.199
<v Speaker 3>you see an astrological transit, that is not the end

1001
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:17.639
<v Speaker 3>of the relationship that you have. With that question. When

1002
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:21.280
<v Speaker 3>you're a younger diviner and you pull a carot card,

1003
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:23.599
<v Speaker 3>you pull the death card, you're asking a question about

1004
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:27.360
<v Speaker 3>a relationship, you feel a sense of doom because you

1005
00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:30.360
<v Speaker 3>don't really yet understand what it means to be in

1006
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:34.960
<v Speaker 3>relationship with that archetype or with that idea, and it

1007
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:37.719
<v Speaker 3>can feel very limiting. And I think that's what scares

1008
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:39.719
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people off from divination too. It's like

1009
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:45.920
<v Speaker 3>the interpretation is one of finality, and so when we

1010
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:48.679
<v Speaker 3>are more mature in our practices, we know that the

1011
00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:54.079
<v Speaker 3>answer we receive is usually about our contemporary relationship or

1012
00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:57.199
<v Speaker 3>our current relationship with the answer to that question because

1013
00:57:57.199 --> 00:57:59.559
<v Speaker 3>we're always going to keep changing. And I think that

1014
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:02.559
<v Speaker 3>that's really unsatisfying for people to hear, because I'll tell

1015
00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:06.920
<v Speaker 3>them that when you know, especially with astrological transits too,

1016
00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:09.679
<v Speaker 3>and like this moment sucks, it will get better. Look

1017
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:13.639
<v Speaker 3>at the sky literally clears in nine months, but nobody

1018
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:15.639
<v Speaker 3>wants to wait nine months for things to get better

1019
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:18.320
<v Speaker 3>for Saturn takeet off of their son or their ascendant,

1020
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:22.360
<v Speaker 3>you know, so it can sting. But yeah, I think

1021
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:24.159
<v Speaker 3>that that's what I would say. What would you guys

1022
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:25.360
<v Speaker 3>say is the answer to that question?

1023
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:29.320
<v Speaker 1>I think you hit the nail on the head. That

1024
00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:33.519
<v Speaker 1>limiting factor is where superstition comes in, you know, and

1025
00:58:34.639 --> 00:58:38.119
<v Speaker 1>you know a lot of times divination gets equated with

1026
00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:42.480
<v Speaker 1>superstition because people think that it's limiting your life into

1027
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:46.559
<v Speaker 1>this series of forums or whatever, but it really doesn't

1028
00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:49.960
<v Speaker 1>have to be. I think what I suggest everybody do

1029
00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:53.159
<v Speaker 1>is go listen to as they're getting into astrology, go

1030
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:56.840
<v Speaker 1>listen to the orphic hymns, because the orphic hymns have

1031
00:58:57.119 --> 00:59:01.119
<v Speaker 1>a lot of the ideas in that we're talking about,

1032
00:59:01.360 --> 00:59:03.760
<v Speaker 1>and then how to move past it. So all of

1033
00:59:03.800 --> 00:59:07.599
<v Speaker 1>these myths are not dead ends. They're continual stories, and

1034
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:11.320
<v Speaker 1>that's that's something that you know is delimiting when it

1035
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:12.119
<v Speaker 1>comes to divination.

1036
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 2>I was thinking for myself, Uh, I think the best

1037
00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:23.679
<v Speaker 2>way to word it, Uh, there may be times in

1038
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:26.360
<v Speaker 2>the past where I wanted to kind of like tell

1039
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:29.960
<v Speaker 2>myself maybe I was correct, But I think if I'm

1040
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:37.519
<v Speaker 2>honest and actually evaluate when I'm wrong, I will actually

1041
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:40.280
<v Speaker 2>have a better understanding down the road. I just think

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, just in my my opinion, I

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<v Speaker 2>myself and others. Sometimes I think we mind fuck ourselves

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit too much with this stuff at the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning and believe everything we're always right. May not always

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<v Speaker 2>be that way, but I think, like for me, there's

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<v Speaker 2>been times where I would see a pattern and then realize, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is where I keep getting that one thing wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I know because I was honestly looking at

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<v Speaker 2>my shit and not telling myself, oh yeah I was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I fucking nailed that. No I didn't, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>So I think maybe, uh, being wrong or screwing things

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<v Speaker 2>up isn't always bad. You can learn from that, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that's also too why it's good to

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<v Speaker 3>have other people read for you, because the pressure of

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<v Speaker 3>reading for yourself can sometimes be a mind fuck, as

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<v Speaker 3>you say, and like I barely pull cards for myself,

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01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:34.400
<v Speaker 3>and I kind of don't look at my own transits

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<v Speaker 3>until something crazy is happening, and I'm just like, great

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01:00:37.639 --> 01:00:40.599
<v Speaker 3>here I am, you know, because I do think that

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<v Speaker 3>we import our own biases a lot into our own

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<v Speaker 3>self divination. So having divination friends that you can trust,

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<v Speaker 3>who can be objective, or just people that you admire

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<v Speaker 3>and trust, teachers you know that are honest people is

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<v Speaker 3>really really crucial to.

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<v Speaker 2>Great stuff. Was there anything else headless that you wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to ask, talk about and bring up before we.

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<v Speaker 1>So we do a remote viewing show on Thursdays, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was wondering, what would your advice be on how

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<v Speaker 1>to get the most accurate remote viewing pictures.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, that's a cool question. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a remote viewer, but that sounds like an amazing,

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<v Speaker 3>amazing activity.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot like divination. It's very very similar to so.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. I've just

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<v Speaker 3>never experimented with it, So what tell me what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we just have pictures that we've taken and we

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<v Speaker 1>put them into envelopes, or we put the information into envelopes.

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<v Speaker 1>We shuffle them up to where we don't know which

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<v Speaker 1>one is which, and then you know, we pull them.

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<v Speaker 1>We go through the concentration relaxation exercise, and then people

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<v Speaker 1>write down their impression that they're getting, whether it's sensory

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01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:04.360
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, and then we go back over them at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the show and see how accurate those

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<v Speaker 1>impressions are of the things that we've taken pictures of.

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<v Speaker 3>Cool. Wait, so I have done this. That's cool? Yeah

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<v Speaker 3>you have?

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody has. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm sure she's probably done something close

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<v Speaker 2>to that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, So, I mean I've only done it once.

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<v Speaker 3>And Jesus, I don't know how to answer this question,

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<v Speaker 3>but like, really just feeling into that visual space here

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<v Speaker 3>was what I was kind of working with. I do

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<v Speaker 3>think there's a lot of like embodied information, but for me,

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<v Speaker 3>it was like a very whatever visual experience to experiment

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<v Speaker 3>with that. So this is not an articulate answer, but

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<v Speaker 3>I hope that everyone sees the things that they're meant

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<v Speaker 3>to see in their.

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<v Speaker 1>Practice, right, you know, if people are visual learners or

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<v Speaker 1>auditory learners. What I try to do in the relaxation

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<v Speaker 1>is to go through all the senses and see if

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting any impressions from your different senses as you're

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<v Speaker 1>concentrating on these different pictures.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's great, that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, well, I think did you have anything else that

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted to ask Christina? Anything else you can say

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<v Speaker 2>about the book?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I think that you know about the book in general,

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<v Speaker 3>I think that I really want people to feel like

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<v Speaker 3>they can pick this up at any at any level,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's especially beginner friendly, and so, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know who if I feel like your audience are

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<v Speaker 3>not necessarily beginner types, I feel like you have tuned

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<v Speaker 3>in magical audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm wrong I think beginners now, but yeah, some

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<v Speaker 2>of them I think are already like yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So you know, I think that

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<v Speaker 3>what the book means to me as a practitioner is

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<v Speaker 3>again kind of like giving us a basis to understand

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<v Speaker 3>how we can live that divinatory life. Like Heedless was saying,

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<v Speaker 3>it's like, you know, that is one of the most

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<v Speaker 3>important things to me to teach people to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't matter what modality you're using, but knowing that this

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<v Speaker 3>is an ancient tradition, this is something that people have

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<v Speaker 3>always done cross culturally. There is we were talking about,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Greco Roman stuff, but culture is the world over.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a human instinct to divine from nature, from you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the alphabet, from numbers, whatever, and so that is something

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<v Speaker 3>that was kind of taken from us due to Enlightenment philosophy,

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01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:47.280
<v Speaker 3>which brought us a lot of good stuff, but also

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<v Speaker 3>totally stripped the collective of access to this sort of

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<v Speaker 3>ancient information, ancient wisdom. And a big part of my

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<v Speaker 3>project is kind of reminding people of that. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like I've probably done this for multiple lifetimes by accident,

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01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:08.920
<v Speaker 3>you know. So it's important for me for people to

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01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:13.119
<v Speaker 3>feel like they have as natural a pipeline to it

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<v Speaker 3>as someone else. They perceive being like a magical practitioner,

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<v Speaker 3>And it's really about fine tuning the art of noticing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>there's some memorization, some symbolic alphabets to know, you know,

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01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:32.639
<v Speaker 3>but a great place to start would be this book.

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<v Speaker 3>And you are like the strongest tool. Your dreams are

1143
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<v Speaker 3>one of the strongest divinatory tools you know that you've

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01:05:39.440 --> 01:05:42.360
<v Speaker 3>got with you. So I think that that's my main

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<v Speaker 3>takeaway is that I want people to feel really supported

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<v Speaker 3>in whatever kind of reclamation they want to do with divination.

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<v Speaker 1>Write it all down, too, Write it all down, because

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<v Speaker 1>when you wake up and you've got to go to

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01:05:55.960 --> 01:05:58.199
<v Speaker 1>the bathroom and you've just had a great dream, it's

1150
01:05:58.239 --> 01:06:00.519
<v Speaker 1>going to be gone by the time you're done. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>write it all down.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, totally, Yeah. I have like in my you're good, Well, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Just wanted to ask, what's your favorite book to use

1154
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<v Speaker 1>for bibliomancy?

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<v Speaker 3>It depends on my question, and it depends on the mood.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes if I'm feeling chaotic, I'll grab whatever book off

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<v Speaker 3>my shelf because then I consider that part of the divination, right,

1158
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<v Speaker 3>And I don't category. I don't organize my books. They're

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01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:26.400
<v Speaker 3>like in a jumble on my shelf, so there's no

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01:06:26.480 --> 01:06:28.239
<v Speaker 3>rhyme or reason to what I'm pulling when I pull.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do think that supportive books for divination are

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01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:35.280
<v Speaker 3>always going to be books of poetry because they give

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<v Speaker 3>us these compressed, crystallized images and lines that are easier

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<v Speaker 3>to pluck from than like maybe a novel if we're

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<v Speaker 3>just getting started, or you know, divination I mean sorry,

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01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:48.480
<v Speaker 3>bibliomancy was practiced a lot with the Bible for you know,

1167
01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:52.159
<v Speaker 3>thousands of years, and so that's like a classic. But

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<v Speaker 3>that's not going to speak to everyone, and that's going

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<v Speaker 3>to carry its own sort of dogma with it. So

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<v Speaker 3>we can be super intentional, I think, or you can

1171
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:02.079
<v Speaker 3>be a little bit of a chaotic magician and pick

1172
01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:04.920
<v Speaker 3>whatever is lying around. But you know, the idea that

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<v Speaker 3>whatever your eye lands on first is the answer is

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01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:11.239
<v Speaker 3>also kind of hard for some people because sometimes you

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01:07:11.360 --> 01:07:14.039
<v Speaker 3>land on something that seems totally unrelated to what your

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<v Speaker 3>question is. But I urge you to keep that phrase

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01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:22.239
<v Speaker 3>with you and see how it emerges. Yeah, someone's commenting,

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<v Speaker 3>Red Book is great for bibliomancy. I'm sure. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>that's true. A lot of profound stuff in that book.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, keep on here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, But what if we don't have to reach

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01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:35.760
<v Speaker 3>for the most profound thing all the time, Like what

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<v Speaker 3>if it's total what if it's like you're divining with

1184
01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:40.119
<v Speaker 3>like a Marx Brothers movie, you know, Like, I don't know,

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01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:44.679
<v Speaker 3>I think it can be anything. I'm serious, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that that's good all right, I think you

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01:07:51.079 --> 01:07:53.000
<v Speaker 2>have less unless you got anything else, I think we

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<v Speaker 2>can wrap it up there. Thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 2>coming on, Christina. That was fun, that was enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was fun. Yeah good. I'm hoping it was

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01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:02.760
<v Speaker 3>a good listen and great conversation.

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01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:05.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, head Liss. So why don't you let everybody know

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01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:06.639
<v Speaker 2>where they can find all your amazing stuff?

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01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:09.800
<v Speaker 1>All right? Yeah, you can find me on x and

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01:08:09.880 --> 01:08:13.840
<v Speaker 1>also on Instagram and YouTube, so I check those out.

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01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:17.119
<v Speaker 1>And tomorrow we've got another remote viewing show coming up

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01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:21.000
<v Speaker 1>and I've got the pictures so ready to go. So

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<v Speaker 1>they definitely checked that out. And if you wouldn't learn

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<v Speaker 1>how to remote view, that's the place to do it

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01:08:24.840 --> 01:08:27.079
<v Speaker 1>because it's viewer participation as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's pretty fun. It's definitely fun. You've gotten some

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01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:34.880
<v Speaker 2>people get some real good ones too, So.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really tight, tight associations.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you, Man, if I didn't fuck up that

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<v Speaker 2>one and I would have like really literally put down

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<v Speaker 2>what I had, I would have been spot on with Walmart.

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<v Speaker 2>I was so pissed, Yeah, freak. I was like, oh man,

1208
01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, I don't know. For some reason,

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01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:58.279
<v Speaker 2>I felt stupid like, yeah, I put Supermarket. I don't

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01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:04.399
<v Speaker 2>want to tell people to go to Walmart when everybody

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01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:09.960
<v Speaker 2>fucking goes there. Anyway, All right, Christina, anything else that

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01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:11.760
<v Speaker 2>you'd like to mention when you want to plug any

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01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:14.079
<v Speaker 2>of your sites, remind the people of the book. Yeah,

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01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:15.880
<v Speaker 2>is the book? I'm so sorry to ask this. Is

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01:09:15.920 --> 01:09:18.680
<v Speaker 2>it out already or not? No to I didn't think

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01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:21.239
<v Speaker 2>it was. I didn't think Okay, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's all goods. It's up for pre order now,

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01:09:23.760 --> 01:09:26.239
<v Speaker 3>which is actually a really awesome time for people to

1219
01:09:26.239 --> 01:09:28.039
<v Speaker 3>buy it because it shows the publisher that people are

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01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:31.439
<v Speaker 3>interested in it. So it's always excellent to grab it

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01:09:31.479 --> 01:09:34.279
<v Speaker 3>in the pre order time period. And you can find

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01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:38.840
<v Speaker 3>it on really any major book retailer that you like

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01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:42.000
<v Speaker 3>to buy your books from. If you have an indie

1224
01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:44.319
<v Speaker 3>bookstore in your neighborhood, you can have it ordered there.

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01:09:44.439 --> 01:09:46.760
<v Speaker 3>You don't have to order it from a big, mega

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01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:50.000
<v Speaker 3>conglomerate bookstore from the internet if you don't want to.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, so it's coming out April twenty eighth, and

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait. I don't have copies of it yet.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait to see it myself. I don't even

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01:09:59.119 --> 01:10:00.920
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, it feels, don't feel really yet. I'm

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01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:04.000
<v Speaker 3>just like, what's going on? So yeah, that comes at

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<v Speaker 3>April twenty eighth Divination for Dummies. I'll be delighted if

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<v Speaker 3>anyone snacks a copy. And you can find me on Instagram.

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<v Speaker 3>My handle is eighth House Astro. My website is Christinafarrella

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01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:20.520
<v Speaker 3>dot com and I'm also in substack as eighth House Astrology,

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<v Speaker 3>so you can find me in those three main places.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome, thank you so much. Yeah, as soon as we

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01:10:25.920 --> 01:10:28.079
<v Speaker 2>get off the show, I'll take a forgot to put

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<v Speaker 2>the notes in from the list one, I'll put your

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<v Speaker 2>links writing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's perfect, ye, perfect, yeah.

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01:10:32.279 --> 01:10:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Because they are in the other one. Thank you very

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01:10:34.680 --> 01:10:37.279
<v Speaker 2>much for coming on again. I really appreciate it. Hopefully

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01:10:37.680 --> 01:10:39.680
<v Speaker 2>we'll have another conversation with you in the future about

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01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:40.199
<v Speaker 2>something else.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, of course, and thank you everybody in the chat.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's up. I had a great time. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>all the comments and any questions, and that's why we

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<v Speaker 2>go live. And until the next one, everybody be well later.