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to the hotline. Welcome in the best golfer. Maybe out

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of the media members we got Jay Drew on the

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line of the Desertight News.

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Speaker 3: Jay, how you living?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great? But you're way too kind on that

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golf analogy or analysis to whatever you want to call it.

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Speaker 2: Amongst those that cover BYU, aren't you the best?

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Speaker 3: Though? Like that? Truly? Like cover BYU consistently? I mean

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who who I mean? Maybe me? Maybe I could beat you?

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You know, maybe me, like if I you know.

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Speaker 4: Okay, now you're going too far.

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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, I mean, I I mean I

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can maybe give you a run for your money.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I haven't golfed in a minute.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess i'd say among the guy. I don't

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know that a lot of us golf. I don't think

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Darnell golfs. I know, Kevin Reynolds and just.

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Speaker 3: Take you take Gurney.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm not really afraid of Gurney on the links. Now.

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I'm afraid of Gurney elsewhere, but not not on the links.

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So let's put it that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the golden, the golden Gurnwos was a sniper on

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the basketball court I heard back in the day, so

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you'd have to watch out for him from the perimeter.

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But I think the only I mean, Ronald the three

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man Weaver has improved. You know, he's been going to

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the range a little bit more. He improved significantly. I

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don't know if he's in your ballpark just yet. I mean,

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Dick Harmon, he's not really covering the coups as consistently

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as he once did.

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Speaker 3: Right. Is he officially.

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Speaker 4: Retired now he's not. He's semi retired. He still contributes

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a couple columns a week or a newsletter for for

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us at the Desert News. So I would say he's uh,

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he's not officially retired. He's still contributing now and then

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and doing a great job at it.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, Jay Drew. No, no, no, Ronnie's getting better though.

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Ronni's getting better.

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Speaker 3: And uh, but have you tried out the Premo golf

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apparel yet? Jay? Have you have you tried the fine

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Speaker 4: I have not purchased anything. I have looked at some

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of their website or their website and different things, and

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I'm contemplating a couple purchases. So yeah, I hear nothing

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the great things about it. So I show up in

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June at the BYU Golf Day hope hopefully they have

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it at Cedar Hills in June. I should be squaring

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some new Premo golf stuff.

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Speaker 2: We'll get you hooked up, get you looking good, feeling

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good golf and good. Not that you need it, Not

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that you need it, Jay, Jay Springball camp Killate is here.

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What have been the storylines that you've been watching that

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you've been intrigued by?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think the main ones and you know, caveat

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on a cruise, so I have I have yet to

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tomorrow afternoon for the one that's open to the media.

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But yeah, the storylines I think are pretty obvious. That

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the receiver, in my opinion, is the biggest storyline. How

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they're going to replace Parker Kingston and then which was

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unexpected obviously, and then Chase Roberts, which was expected. So

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I think that's a huge story. Uh how how good

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can Kyler Casper kind of move in and fill a role?

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guys who have been in the program for a little

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while now, can they reach their potential and play like

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play like the coaches have said that that they should

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be able to play. Kay Nakua is another guy I

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guess you could throw in there, and I'm probably a

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Another one, obviously is the defense and Kelly Papinga come

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as a defensive coordinator replaced Jay Hill and what will

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happen there. I think he fell into a really good

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spot with the defense, there's very very few holes. There's

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a couple of good players with Tanner Wall and others

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that they're replacing. But I think that's a big storyline

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is just how will this defense kind of keep on

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picking with a new guy at the helm there with

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Kelly Papinga, And then I'm really interested to kind of

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see this offensive line. They've got some really nice talented

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pieces back, but they are replacing Isaiah Jatta and Weather

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and Lapoa Ho and Austin Leusa, I think are the

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three main ones that they're replacing. So that's you know,

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if you're basically they brought in some really great players

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that looks like on that offensive line. So I guess

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a big storyline would be how those guys mash and

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which of those guys can be able to step in

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and start right away.

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Speaker 3: Love to break down, Jay Drew, who's your favorite right now?

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Who are your.

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Speaker 2: Favorites to really step up and make uh make their

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mark in that wide receiver room.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a good question. You know, I'm I've been proposing.

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get more help there. I I know that the transfer

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portal still you can still get guys out of the

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transfer portal. You just can't have guys enter the portal.

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obviously Bay he coaches no more than me. But I'm skeptical.

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Ban I'm gonna be honest. I don't know that there's

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a guy on this received wide receiver on this roster

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right now that that can be a wr one that

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can be a go to guy. And you know, I

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hope Jojo Phillips, so we've heard a lot about him

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that he could step up. But but uh, I don't

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really have a guy that I'm thinking is a can't

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miss type of guy right now. Even Tyler Casper from Oregon.

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years there at Oregon and didn't do much. Coaches are

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high on him. Aaron I saw an interview with Aaron

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Roderick the other day where he said that he was

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he was capable and a good player, and they really

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wanted him out of high school and didn't get him. So,

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you know, I guess he might be the one, but I,

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you know, color me right now a little bit skeptical

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of the whole wide receiver room. I think it's a

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Speaker 3: It's definitely a question mark.

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Speaker 2: The other question mark I have had is and we

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haven't really talked a whole lot about this. We've been

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focused more on the positions, the players, right the attrition there.

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the Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Gavin Fowler leave the Weaver State.

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Speaker 2: You only technically have one retained coach in that secondary,

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and that was Wes Johnson, who just got elevated to

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assistant cornerbacks coach. You have Damorial Warren safety's coach, passing

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and coordinator, Lewis Walker cornerbacks coach, and then Danny Sorenson

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now is helping coach up to the same. Uh, what's

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your expectation for that safety and cornerback room considering there's

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so many new coaches.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if you didn't have talent there, you'd

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have an issue or you didn't have experience there. But

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you do with Paula Telsatuala at safety and and then

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at corner you got you know, Evan Johnson, back schmev

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tell me process or others that are back. So I

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think I think I think it'll be a pretty seamless

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transition there, just because they've already got a lot of

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experience and a lot of talent already there. And from

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everything I've read, you know, Damario Warren and Louis Walker

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outstanding coaches. I think they'll be fine. Uh. We should

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also mention that Eddie Hecker, who was contributing a little

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bit this past season, is has joined the staff at

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Weaver State as well. Uh, and I'm excited to kind

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of follow his career. I think he's going to be

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a real good coach. He's obviously was a fantastic player.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, it's going to be difficult, no doubt about it.

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But you know it's crazy. Maybe the biggest win of

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the U of the off season was the fact that

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so many coaches left in the secondary, but none of

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the players left with them.

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Speaker 3: Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely huge? Oh yeah, absolutely huge. Player retainment was was

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really telling. I think. I mean, I when I saw

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Jay Hill going to Michigan, Oh, there goes three or

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four guys, you know. Uh, And the fact that really

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they lost the backup linebacker. His name escapes me right.

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Speaker 2: Now, the one that went to Michigan.

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Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, Max Alford.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Max Alford, who wasn't you know until he got hurt.

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you know, he was a player that probably could have

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helped him. But but yeah, not lose Keanutanovasa and Folatao

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and Evan Johnson. They kept all these guys as really

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really remarkable in this day and age, and I think

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that speaks to the culture that Kilani has established. That

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and also the fact that, you know, Kilani kind of

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let Jay Hill take a lot of credit for the

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defense and in the background, and what people have kind

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of told me is that this is still Kilani's defense.

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This is still He's still the mastermind behind this. And

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I think that was proven out in a way with

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all the guys that did stay and didn't follow Jay Hill.

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but these guys staying says a lot about the culture

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that Kilani has established there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think staying on the defensive side of things.

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the defense get a lot more sacks, and I'm actually,

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I actually think that the defensive line is a little

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bit underrated going into this year. And and Kelly Papina

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seems like a very aggressive play caller. Do you think

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that Sachs becomes more of a focus for and more

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of a staple for this BYU defense under Kelly Papinga.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I think he's probably gonna be

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a little more aggressive as a play caller. That was

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kind of the reputation Jay Hill had and and sometimes

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that came to fruition, other times it didn't. But yeah,

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I agree with you. I think I think there. I

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think they've got a lot of guys that Lucy uh

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Lucy t I'll call him and to Salia Kana, there's

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a lot of guys with a you know, a big

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bit more disruptive than they were uh last year. And

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I think they learned their lessons playing against Texas Tech,

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where that's kind of the calling card. Texas Tech had

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to beat by US that disruptive defense that created a

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lot of chaos and havoc, and I think BYU needs

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to turn the tables on a few teams to kind

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of get in that same realm.

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Speaker 3: J Drew deserat News, Jay, what do you be working on?

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Speaker 2: You have any articles you're gonna be publishing here shortly

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at the Desrat News.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm kind of been following the obviously the basketball team,

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and I just got back from the trip to West

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Virginia and Cincinnati with them. I've got a little feature

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on the new guy or the guy that's kind of

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the bright spot last couple of weeks, Alex Coke Costitch

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coming out soon and then just you know, kind of

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a piece preview in the Big twelve tournament that starts

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Speaker 2: So how would you describe BYU basketball right now?

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Speaker 4: Boy, that's a tough question, and it's uh, I don't

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know if the word is depressed or there's certainly lackluster.

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members question the effort, and I watched the last two

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games World Games, I was there. I still think the

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effort's good. I think the buy in is still good.

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The body language of the players. I do think that

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the two key players are getting worn out. I think

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that's what I'm talking about AJ and Rob Wright. I

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you know, I guess they're obviously they know it. I'm

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not saying anything new, but I still think the buy

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in is there. I still think Kevin Young has this team,

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has control of this team, He has their hearts and minds. Still,

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let's face it, some guys just have not gotten better.

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Some guys have just not lived up to their billing.

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I'm not talking about any of the big three. I'm

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talking about the others. I don't want to call anybody out,

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but if you, if you ask me, why is by

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U kind of gone into the telspin. It's just that

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these other guys have just not improved and they've not

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stepped up and filled the gap where we all knew

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when Richie went down that other guys had to step up.

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They couldn't rely even more on Rob and AJ, and

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these other guys just haven't done it for whatever reason.

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I don't know if it's lack of talent, I don't

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know if it's lack of confidence, but I would just say,

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if I were to describe the BYU team in one

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world right now, I would just say non confident. They

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just don't believe in themselves anymore for some reason.

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Speaker 2: And that's something that Kay Wise stated. He's like, Hey,

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what's the message that he's trying to disseminate to his

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to his team. He's like, they're a good team, they're

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good players, Like they just need confidence. So does this

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team need to sit down and rather than watching tape

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and being critical of their lack of efficiency, their lack

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of execution, do they just watch like the highlights of

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the season, like all the great games that they've.

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Speaker 3: Won, great sports movies that inspire you. Yeah, all the

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great like just all of the great games.

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Speaker 2: And you know it's just all positivities, like look at

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you guys, you're good enough, you're smart enough, and dog

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on it.

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Speaker 3: People like you.

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Speaker 4: I think there's something to that. And by you spend

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invests a lot of money in their athletic department, in

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sports psychologists, and uh, you guys know that as well

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as I do. And you know it's time for those

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guys or gals to make their money. I know in football,

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Braiden Brown, I don't think he does much with basketball.

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But I may be wrong, but you know, I think

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Braiden Brown is a guy like that can really instill

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confidence and get people back to playing or or practicing

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even as they were before. So, you know, I probably

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should know who the sports psychologist is for the BYU

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basketball team. I don't.

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Speaker 3: I think it's great.

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Speaker 4: It might be. I know, he's kind of stretched, really

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stand across a lot of different sports teams. Maybe it

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is him, But yeah, I think that. I think their

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issues are as mental as they are physical right now,

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and and it seems to me like those are issues

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that can be fixed. And and job one right now

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with the BA basketball team's defense, they just got to

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play better defense there. You know, you just can't match

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team's bucket for bucket. You can't just say hey, we

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got aj he can he can score almost every night

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I'm on the court. You just can't rely on that.

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You got to stop people. And I think, obviously I'm

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not saying anything new. Kevin Young knows that, and the

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coaching staff knows that, and that's just that's got to

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happen or they're going to have a you know, an

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early exit next week in the Big Twelve tournament.

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Speaker 5: I think there are some positives though to be gained

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from from the game since Richie has gone down. I've

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said I think that heading Boop and Alexei Kostitch are

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Kevin Young's next development projects where he tries to turn

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them into something because I've seen just a little bit

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of a flashes of potential. Do you see the same

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thing in those two? Is there are there any other

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positives that you see coming out of what's been a

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rough stretch for BYU.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do, And I think those two have gotten

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more more minutes and U and had plays ran for them,

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especially alex Colostitch. I you know Kadeem h the other day,

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he had a couple I think they were sagging off him,

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giving him a three pointer and he wasn't able to convert.

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I know he's made some of those in the past.

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I think that's kind of the next step for him.

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And I think frankly, that's what's holding uh Keebocata back

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a little bit, is his inability to score outside of

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six feet. Other teams know that, you know, almost and

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when that lob play is taken away, then you don't

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have much left. So so yeah, I agree, those two

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guys seem like they're too that you can get a

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little bit more out of and moving forward. And I

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think Kevin knows that he put Kadeem in the starting

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lineup the other day, and I think Alex at the

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start of the second half in the West Virginia game

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and place with Mihilo. So yeah, it seems as if

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those two could be really big keys if by he

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isn't going to turn this thing around.

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Speaker 2: Jay Drew Desert Red News talking BYU Basketball.

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Speaker 3: Do you think they get to win versus Texas Tech?

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's a tough question.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 4: I you know, I do. I haven't. I think the

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talent is there. I've said this a million times to

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you guys and others. There's nothing like home court advantage

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in college basketball. Mediocre teams somehow can rise up and

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play well on their home floor. I thought back to

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back these last two games at West Virginia and Cincinnati,

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very mediocre teams that on their home court, spurred by

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their home fans, can really find another gear and start

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following their confidence growth and they're got spurred by the

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home crowd and they take off. And I think YU

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can do that again. So yeah, I think I think

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they can beat Texas Tech on Saturday, and then I

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really do.

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Speaker 2: J Drew Deseret News. We appreciate you, Jay, Thanks for

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hopping off for a cougar beet.

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Speaker 4: My pleasure anytime.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Yeah, we always like having you on, Jay.

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We like to have you on every week. It's the J.

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Drew Segment, the J Drew Cougar Beat. Baby, I love it.

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Speaker 4: Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Jay, appreciate you. With slute you follow Jay, follow

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