Speaker 1: Get command, don't get supremely magxell coming. Hey, welcome everybody,
Here we go. It is the podcast version AF, as
we call it mcu AF. Matt Connorton unleashed the online
only edition of the show today is Thursday's September twenty five,
twenty twenty five, And joining me, of course, is Todd Air.
Speaker 2: Hello, Todd, Hey, how are you today? Matt?
Speaker 1: I say, of course, because I'm used to saying, you know,
welcome to Hanging Left. So of course Todd is with me.
So if for anyone who's for the uninitiated, if you're
not familiar, Todd and I do a podcast together called
Hanging Left, but today we were gonna do Jenny and
I were going to do Matt Connorton unleashed a live
podcast edition with Sarah Sarah Chatzunski, who I know is
under the weather, but you and I Todd had a
great conversation with Sarah on Hanging Left absolutely a number
of weeks ago. And of course you're you're obviously involved
in the campaign. Yeah, so it made sense for you
to step in in her place today as her voice
is not uh uh where it needs to be to
do something like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's the being out on the
trail and and really you know, being that voice for
people that don't have a voice. You know, sometimes you
literally lose your voice. It takes a lot out of you. So,
you know, we just we have her. Uh you know,
she's a little under the weather. So I said to her, hey,
you know, take a step back, you know, get your
get yourself up and ready to go again so we
can be at one hundred percent because she is a
human after all.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we're we're getting into that time of year,
cold and flu season and all that goes with it.
Absolutely so, uh so what can you tell us about
how things are going with the campaign? Well, and of
course for people who don't know, we should also of
course talk about the seat that Sarah is running for
and uh you know, kind of give people some background.
Speaker 2: Sure, So we are running for the what will be
the open seat in Congress, which is District one and
currently held by Christopher Pappus of uh you know, a
Manchester who owns uh The Puritan, and he is going
to be moving over to the Senate and our goal
is to actually uh you know, partner with him and
and be in that role as the congressman, as well
as with Senator Maggie Goodlander, who handles the district two.
Speaker 1: Okay, ye, so uh so why is uh, why is
Sarah running for this? What? What is uh? What is
the objective here?
Speaker 2: So? I think you know, the people really have spoken
pretty loudly about the fact that they need some real
humans in the race, you know, and just to add,
you know, some reality and some sort of grounding effects
to Congress currently as it is. So you know Sarah's goal.
She does have a strong background in international relations, specifically
with the Ukraine. She even helped broker a sixty four
billion dollar deal to get the Ukraine the necessary funding
to defend themselves as a sovereign state. So you know,
her idea basically is that, you know, why not I
have all this ability, I have the ability to build bridges,
and certainly this is the time to build bridges and
not burn them, and so why not work towards you know,
and use my connections and the respect I've gotten Washington
and internationally and and you know, defend people really and
defend this country because we we you know, democracy is
definitely it's it's it's it's not so stable, right, now,
you know, I mean, we still have it intact, but
you know, there are definitely challenges going on right now.
So it's important that someone like Sarah comes out right
from the start and says, look, you know, democracy is
as an experiment. You know, it's a it's a messy
experiment at times, but it's something you have to work for. Yeah,
you can't take it for granted. And so she's standing
up and showing people that, you know, she's basically practicing
what she preaches, and she's out there defending democracy. So really,
we're in this election and she's in this election. It's
really not about us. It's really about everyone, and it's
about you know, giving the people a voice again and
in an authentic voice. That's important, and people that they
can trust that truly have their back. I mean, I
think people really want someone that they can trust that
has their back, and Sarah we call it like to
color Sarah c it's a little easier, but yeah, Sarah,
Sarah's that person.
Speaker 1: I do want to mention for people who are streaming
the show live. Obviously most people will get this in
the podcast and the podcast feed for Matt connorton Unleashed,
which you can find on all your major podcast platforms.
But if you do happen to be streaming the show
live on late Thursday afternoon early evening on September twenty fifth, uh,
feel free to comment in the chat room. We do
have the chat room open on your wherever you're watching
the show, whether it be on YouTube or Facebook or wherever.
We're even on Rumble. Believe it or not, Todd, I
actually stream the show to Rumble. I know that that's
that might might not be the most receptive audience, but
but that's part of why I like to stream the
show there and on LinkedIn as well. So yeah, yeah,
so I try to try to make it as available
as possible or perhaps unavoidable would be a better way
of putting it.
Speaker 2: But well, what's great about you always that I really
do appreciate and I'm sure share Sara would share these sentiments.
You're really about equity and trying to keep a balance
and letting everyone kind of have a voice. Yeah, so,
I you know, I think it's important, Like, look, we're
not going to fix the things that are happening in
this country just remaining in an echo chamber and not
listening to the other viable sides. Yeah, and not basically
offering anybody that is pro democracy a seat at the table.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's important to to, you know, be
very much open to that. So thank you for that.
And Sarah is in the chat room and says, appreciate
Todd speaking for me today while my voice is m
I A. I love my team, Thank you, Sarah.
Speaker 2: This is this is this is kind of reversal. Right,
my voice was the one that was challenged for god
knows how long.
Speaker 1: So we should talk about you and again, listeners of
the Hanging Left podcast obviously are already very familiar with you, Todd.
But for for people who are not familiar with that
show who might not know you, what is what is
your role in the campaign and and how did you
how did this come about? Where where you're working with Sarah?
Speaker 2: Sure, Matt, No, that's a good question. So basically I
am her political director. Not basically I am her political director.
So what that kind of means is it's kind of
taken on, you know, it's an organic position, so it
kind of takes on things that they need it. But
within the field area anyway, I'm her right hand person.
Also I helped manage the field team and ultimately will
help her manage with the field team as sorry as
the field team, we will all help manage the hopefully
the army of volunteers that we acquire. Hopefully, though, I
mean a lot of people seem to already be interested.
It's just a matter of getting that aspect of the
campaign up and running.
Speaker 1: So as you do this, uh, what what are you
seeing out there on the on the campaign trail? I mean,
you know, when when you're able to obviously you know,
cold and flu season has already started. But but but
thatt aside, I mean what and by the way, this
might this might contribute to people being sick because obviously
campaigning is hard work, right for sure, probably nobody, nobody
involved in this endeavor, including Sarah herself. I'm sure is
is getting enough rest and that's that just comes with it, right,
But but it's also worth it, of course to make
that sacrifice. But but what's it been like so far?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's it's a lot of work, absolutely,
And why I you know, am definitely focused on this
is because I guess I feel like, you know, all
of us have roles to play really in the world
in general. But I think that if you've been given
a gift, whether that's the gift of the ability to speak,
the ability to create coalitions and to help mobilize people,
and you've been given and you have charisma, and you
have the and also you happen to have contacts and
the ears of people that very few people have, the
ears of I almost think it's it's imperative and you're
compelled to do what it takes in this moment to
do what you can to protect this country. I mean,
I would almost feel guilty if I hadn't joined the campaign.
And the thing about Sarah is that we have the
same philosophy, right, and that's that basically we understand the
importance of having a universal vision which sort of takes
into account the people as well as the establishment as
well as like the you know, both the the very
left side of the establishment all the way to the
more center side and even you know, some more pragmatic
conservatives and hold more of like ideally like like a
the conversation circle and and you know gets you know,
sometimes literally, sometimes figuratively, but just be out there and
open and let people know that, you know, to me,
I don't know. I couldn't really do anything else in
the moment. Honestly, I think that like I do happen,
oh and so to I guess take a deeper dive
into that. Myself, my colleague Jason who's her scheduler, as
well as a member of the field staff, and then
Andrew who is also field staff and our photographer as
well as now myself and Andrew are now running the
social media part of it. You know, all of us
and even Sarah herself, we come from an activism world.
We come from a activist world. We come from a
nonprofit world. We come from you know, amongst the people,
but some of us, and specifically myself and Sarah, we
also have been lucky enough and have the privilege of
knowing some people that call the shots. So I think
that what the people want right now is people that
are fighting for them and are having an honest conversation
with the people and the establishment and not shunning them
and not beating them up, because I don't think that's
going to get us anywhere, but definitely holding them to
accountability and saying you know, good enough isn't good enough,
and especially when you know the threats we're facing right
now are internal and serious and this is not time
to like, you know, take your foot off the pedal.
I mean, you really got to hit it hard.
Speaker 1: Well, how hard is that to navigate? I mean maybe
this is getting a little inside baseball, but but like you,
like you said, I mean as far as because yeah,
you kind of have to fight. It's almost like in
my mind, and again I'm speaking from the perspective of
I've only ever had a lot of opinions and done
a lot of bloviating and commenting on politics. I've never
worked for a campaign. I've certainly never run for office.
So I'm very much asking this question from the outside
because I am on the outside in that sense. But
you're you kind of it's almost like if this were
a war, you'd be fighting on two fronts, right, because
you've got ultimately, you know, you're you're fighting for democracy, right,
and you're you're fighting against the fascism that we're seeing
in all of that, right. So so you've got that fight.
But before you even get to that fight, you've also
got the fight of how do you break through when
the establishment of the Democratic Party has such a hold
on everything you know, and they you know, everyone loves
an underdog, except for those who are directly threatened by
the underdog.
Speaker 2: Right, although you know, that's an interesting point you bring up,
and I think that there's a little bit of a
confusion there. You know, it's it's not the time for
us to be divided, and so I think that because
some of us are I guess lucky or maybe unlucky
depending on your perspective to have the ears of both
the centrist establishment as well as the very left progressive.
You know, that allows us to rally the people, but honestly,
we're not. I don't see it as like fighting two fronts.
I see it as giving people permission to stand up.
And Sarah sees it the same way. I mean, people
are just afraid. They're not they're not not wanting to fight. Yeah,
I mean there's that people don't know how to People
don't know what works and what doesn't work. And if
you're a member of the establishment, and I can only
speak I think to the New Hampshire establishment, but if
you're a member of that establishment, I think we all
like no one in New Hampshire. As as Papas said
very recently in a speech, we are not a pro
dictator state. No, I mean the whole Live for or
Die is all about independence. So yeah, right, so you
can grab that fire for independence and which just segues
very nicely into democracy and and get everybody on the
same page, because like, you know, yes, okay, there's the
Democrats of the Republicans, but there's also the big D,
which is democracy, and that's what we're all fighting for
against the other big D, which is dictatorship. You know,
that's what we're fighting against. And most people that you know, look,
only about thirty percent of this population. And that's so
thirty percent will follow him, I would say, once it's
all said and done, and then within that thirty percent,
conservatively fifteen percent but probably closer to like five percent
would benefit from this power grab. You know, a vast
majority of even the people following him, he's just lying
to them and feeding them their breads and circuses. But
the end of the day, his plan is you know,
their disposal too to him. Oh so it's just important,
you know, Look, we can't flip everyone, right, And it's
really it's it's kind of like this. This is how
I look at it, and I think it's how Sarah
would probably say it too. It just so happens. The
Democratic Party right now is the party that's standing up
for people. But we support everyone that stands up for people.
So at the end of the day, we you know,
we welcome open dialogue and a little bit of you know,
descent amongst each other in a positive, healthy way. Yeah,
that's what democracies about.
Speaker 1: Sarah did stay in the chow room. It's not the
time to be divided either. We are all in this together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think matt were very lucky because
New England and definitely New Hampshire it's one of those
places that you know, for the longest time prior to
pre Maga, I grew up my whole life not knowing
people as Democrat or Republican or independent. I mean most
people actually call themselves independent. And it wasn't a dirty
word either because it didn't necessarily mean like this quase
like hiding of like libertarian, which was a quase hiding
of mega. It wasn't at.
Speaker 1: All, especially especially in New Hampshire by the way, as
an unusually high number of duties.
Speaker 2: I mean, people were generally independent and people were generally
not wanting to get involved in people's personal business, you know.
I mean the arguments typically were just like some variations
on fiscal responsibility and that kind of thing, and where
do we spend the money? Where don't we spend the money?
But you know, I'd never met anyone prior to this
current situation that wanted to tear everything down and burn
it all down and have some sort of like you know,
sci Fi dictatorship going right right.
Speaker 1: By the way, Jenny is also in the chat room
and says, hello, Hi, Jenny, how are you. She wanted
to be with us, but she's also taking a break.
So okay, yeah, we all need you know, we all
need uh, we all need to unplug sometimes, right, We
gotta yet to think think about think about our health,
which I don't always you know, I also am am
a victim to uh, you know, thinking I'm Superman and.
Speaker 2: Oh myself included. You know, it's difficult right now because
Sarah is basically asked to be in some respects, She's
asked a kind of It's like a human being asked
to play Wonder Woman, just like maybe we're people trying
to be Superman. But you're right, the realities were not superheroes.
We don't have superpowers, and so we got to do
what we got to do.
Speaker 1: Right, right exactly. So what are you hearing, you know,
out on the campaign trail, like, what are you what
are you hearing from?
Speaker 2: This? Actually pretty pleasantly surprising. I mean, I think most
people so it's a good time to be outside the
system and it's a good time to be I would
say a little more progressive of center like like center
like still understand. I would call it a pragmatic progressive
because you know, progress in the sense that a lowercase
P progress where you support change and you support moving
forward and you support so not a radicalized definition of
progressive like you know, the alt right has tried to
mark the Democratic Party with progressive right as in the
but it's not. It's about change, right, so you know.
But at the end of the day, who really it
doesn't again, it doesn't matter and there will be some
some differences absolutely, but you know, the Democratic Party is
a big tent party and there is room for everyone. Uh.
The only I would say non negotiable is democracy. I mean,
it's just not negotiable, well said uh.
Speaker 1: Sarah also said can't save the world if you don't
get any sleep. We're a team for a reason. Yeah,
that's true.
Speaker 2: Although very true.
Speaker 1: Although my my caffeine addiction might disagree. But yeah, but
my caffeine addiction might kill me eventually. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But sometimes you're just for you know, let me tell
you from someone that knows, like, you know, look at
you know the last time I was doing that whole
voice thing. Yeah, I got my if I've got my
button gear and got tested for you know, strap and
treated it right away. Yeah, I would have had a
voice a lot sooner. Right, Sometimes you have to give in,
you know, as much as you don't want to.
Speaker 1: That is that, That is absolutely true. Absolutely none of.
Speaker 2: Us are good at fifty percent, right, Like, this is
not a fifty percent level fight, So were better to say,
you know what, we can't give one hundred percent or
even seventy five percent right now, So we're going to
have to unplug for a few even for a few days, yeah,
because then we can come back in one hundred percent again.
Speaker 1: Right, right? Do you you know do you want to
talk about specific Uh oh, actually, let me read this comment.
Sarah made another comment and then this this might be
a good jumping off point for what I was about
to ask as a matter of fact, she said, we're
hearing a lot of people that want policy that actually
makes sense. We want change, but not this change. People
are concerned and ready to step into help how they can.
So I was and I was about to ask you
about about policy as a matter of fact.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think this is the one thing I
think also that's helping bring us all together. Whether you
talk to Pappus, good Lander, Sarah, even some of our
opponents in this race. You know, I would say the
key word is affordability, and then that is literally partnered
in parallel to human rights. So even if you have
a very socially conscious focus or you have a very
economically focused the two cannot exist in a vacuum. They
both need each other. So lack of affordability means lack
of human rights, and lack of human rights means people
don't get the same level of resources and access to resources.
Speaker 1: Well, there's the three basic needs, right, and then there's
a hierarchy of needs which is a little deeper about
the three basic needs, food, clothing, and shelter. So you know,
if people can't afford food, and they can't afford clothing
and they can't afford housing, then yeah, then then they
don't have they don't have rights and you know, basic
human rights and dignity and all of that right.
Speaker 2: And so here's our goal. Our goal is to basically
at least meet that baseline and make sure they can
have all of those things right and they our rights,
not privileges. And then once we do that, then we
can go in and really start to like you know,
organically grow the United States and the democracy that we want.
And there's going to be some exchange of ideas and
there's going to be some arguments, and there's going to
be you know, a level of compromise. But compromise until
this whole situation was not necessarily dirty word. As a
matter of fact, it's almost the necessity.
Speaker 1: Now in terms of in terms of policy. And you know,
you use out that word a very important word, affordability,
which is something that people are very concerned about. I
don't know, like, I don't know how into the weeds
you want to get, because I want to know. I
want to well, I want to know more, but I
also I want to be conscious of I'm sure you
don't want to get out too far ahead of Sarah
and shall say about anything. So I want to know,
but I also understand and respect that you know, there's
only so far you can go as far as specific policy. Sure,
but here's what you can tell us.
Speaker 2: But the other interesting thing about this, Matt, is that
like our policies, I don't know how the other campaigns
are doing it. But even our policies we do in
like a you know, a forum type environment. So typically
what we do, it's it's primarily I would say myself
and Jason and then also her consultant Anthony, we kind
of craft what we think are are good policies for
you know, that makes sense that and then also are
winning policies, you know, and then she will go through
it and she will make sure that it's you know,
sarahfied like it works for Sarah right, which is important.
I mean, authenticity is super important. So I don't know,
do that answer your question? So I guess back in
the whole thing, what do you want to know exactly
about the like what policies or what would.
Speaker 1: You Well, so when we're talking about affordability, like what
are what are what are some of the ideas because
obviously affordable when we say affordability. You know, we we
mean we're talking about inflation, we're talking about housing, which
you know is part of inflation, but obviously that there's
also separate issues with housing. I mean, are are we
talking about I heard an idea floated recently that I
would support, you know, banning private equity, for example, from
buying residential housing. I don't know, I mean, are are
there things like that? I mean, any anything in you
can give us?
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, absolutely for sure. So I don't know
her her stand exactly on the private equity equity side
of things. I do know that we support, you know,
a universal health care system. I do know that we
support fair and equitable housing. The keyword of equity versus
the quality, meaning everything is brought up to a baseline
that works for everyone where they're at. So meeting people
where they're as opposed to like this, no matter what
the formula is, there isn't one size fit's all right,
So you have to be open to adaptive policies and
policies that kind of which is what makes doing policies
so challenging.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's one of the things that And again
speaking as an outsider who's never been involved in a campaign.
I would imagine that that's one of the most challenging
parts because you have to you have to craft policy
that makes sense, that addresses the problems, but also that
can be communicated and articulated to the to the voters
or prospective voters, and then if you win policy that
you can follow through on because you'll be held to
count the next time you run. So I would imagine
that that's one of the most absolutely, one of the
most challenging parts of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, although I think that it's there's
an interesting situation going on here, that's it what people
don't realize, And I think we didn't realize this. I mean,
I happened to have worked for the directly for the
Harris campaign, and I think, sorry, hold on, yeah, no
worries one of the biggest mistakes that we made. And
that's why I now work with a actual campaign and
not for the DNC directly, because there's a lot more
autonomy and a lot more ability to like be yourself.
But anyway, so I'd rather work with establishment rather than
be part of the establishment. Sure, sure, but anyway, what
was he saying? Oh, so, I think it's kind of
going back to your analogy of Maslow's higherarchy of needs, right,
I think it's unfair to ask people that haven't reached
levels one and two, which is you know, subsistence slash
baseline survival and then just living to then sit and
pontificate about these higher level things that myself and say
our own Jason and all the rest of us political
junkies talk about. Right. And it's also sort of silly
and kind of naive to think that we can convince
people on these like abstract, sort of like idealistic things
to support us. But but the but the other side
of that coin is that if you give people those
things and you raise their baseline, ay, they're more open
to social progressive change and be they're not threatened by
it because you're not saying we're gonna take this away
to do this, right, You're providing them a good baseline
and we're we're we want more than basics. And that's
the other problem too. I mean, up to this point,
I think a lot of people, certainly the current leadership,
certain current administration, they're giving people just like baseline survival
or a little bit better. It's like baseline survival with
a package that looks a little nicer, but the day
it's just gilded and it really is just baseline survival,
you know. In that way, we like to look at
like some European models and things like that, where people,
you know, actually there their basic needs, they're met and
then even some of their wants, right Like, you know,
it's it's not about oh my god, like we can
get by, It's about we all deserve a quality of living.
Speaker 1: Right right. Uh. Sarah commented in the chat room to again,
regarding policy, we are working with community leaders to put
together policy that's not pie in the sky, things that
actually makes sense and can be put into action to
make a difference.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That that's a good point that she brings up,
and I'm sorry I should have remembered that too as well. Yeah,
how we're formulating our policy is sitting down with the experts.
So like I'm not going to sit down, and Sarah's
not going to sit down, although she happens to be
in education, so maybe that's not a great example. Well,
let's say, like the current CALF and Human Services secretary,
we're not about to go tell doctors how they should
be handling a pandemic, right or like, we're not going
to write policies that ignore medical and scientific evidence. We're
going to listen to the experts. We're going to look
at the studies, and then we're going to base policies
on those things.
Speaker 1: Right now, that that makes sense.
Speaker 2: You know? And if we're making policies about changing and
getting police and policing in a better place, then we're
going to talk to both sides. We're going to talk
to this to the people and the communities that feel
over policed or whatever it is and they feel like
there's a police biased and the police activists. But we're
also going to talk to the police themselves and ask them, like,
you know, how can we build a bridge? See, it's
really all about building bridges. It's not about like like
let's pick one side and really run hard at that
one side.
Speaker 1: Right right?
Speaker 2: Does that make sense? No?
Speaker 1: It does? It does. What is is there anything that's
really surprised you again, in terms of being out on
the campaign trail and talking to people, Anything that that
maybe people are concerned with that you didn't expect, or
maybe that you didn't expect quite so much, or oh yeah, yeah,
go ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest I mean, as far
as Maslows hierarchy of needs go, I've been very lucky,
and I've been around a lot of people that are
very lucky and frankly relatively privileged to live in that
like third rum. So I can sit around and self
actualize and I can think about the big picture, macro
ways to make the world a better place. And what
shocked me is that because I have come from the
environment that I've come from, even young people around me
live still relatively privileged you know, life lives, so they
were able to sort of like, then we're you're able
to sort of save the world when all your basic
needs are met and then more than met, you know,
like right. So I think I think it's it's really
getting that pragmatism down that even amongst the activists there
still is a root line in act in in pragmatism.
But then again, it's actually not shocking because then when
you talk to the older, more established people, they tend
to fall or not even ai the older, but people
are just more established and more comfortable, then they do
tend to go to the save democracy side. So I
think the thing that's very interesting is that I think
a like a bilateral message or a multi lateral message,
A multim you know, directional message is so much more
effective and more realistic than certainly that a singular message.
So you know, it's looking at all those variables. But
it's also what I love is there's this little game
out there. It's like, you know, I like to say
green is very green, you know, because I'm very environmental, right,
But rather than it and argue, you know, until you're
out of breath about saving the whales, which is important,
there's actually arguments out there as to how saving the
whales creates this whole like biodiversity and biosystem within the
ocean that supports the food chains that supports like like
ocean agricul like all this amazing stuff. Yeah, we're so
much more interconnected even with other species than we think
we are, right, absolutely, and I think that's so important.
So we can almost create the same eco system within politics.
I mean, we can have a like a multi ecosystem,
and I think that that's something Sarah really seems to
support too, is this idea. I mean, she works in
defense and she works in international relations, so you absolutely
are going to be talking to some Republicans And although
the maga people would like us to feel like, you know,
and when I mean the mag of people, I mean
specifically the the mad King and his his his nutty
court gesters, you know, the administration itself, not that not
even necessarily all the people that even voted for him,
because of course that's not the case. But these you know,
they they don't understand that it's really not this this
voice that he's it's not the narrative he's spinning. Like
we're a lot more like than we think. Most people
want the same things, and most people will actually go
for it if you tell them that's what you're gonna
fight for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he he spends it. Uh, the mad King as
you refer to him as, uh, you know, from all.
Speaker 2: He's kind of mad. I mean, this is all this is,
this is nuts.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He puts everything, you know, from a presentative, from
a position of division and and and fear, very fear.
You know that the immigrants are taking you know, the
migrants are taking all your jobs and all that kind
of stuff, and you know, just you know.
Speaker 2: It's also very verbose, and it's very like out of
like like out of the world, out of worldliness. It's
like he wants to create this like this echo chamber
that is like, you know, the apocalypse, almost like he's
rescuing us from the apocalypse, which is not what he's
doing at all, If anything, he's But here's the good news.
He's a lot more and his administration is a lot
more fragmented and a lot more disjointed than people think.
I mean, the most power people have or the most
powerful people, and their biggest weapon is convincing you they
have a lot of power. So you realize that they
don't have as much power as we think they do.
You're disarming them right there.
Speaker 1: Well, he did say only he can how did he
put it? I don't know, only he can do it
or only he can say. Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 2: The problem with that mindset is even people amongst his
leadership don't agree with that now and they're starting to
voice that. So he's got a power grab within his
power structure. That's never good.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, so we can now.
Speaker 2: Win by actually unifying and then just like exposing and
not even exposing them as individuals and their characters because
everybody knows it's buffoonery, like we're gonna not get you
where by constantly saying, you know, Trump's a clown. Hences
the clown, they're all pre you know, that's not going
to how we're going to win votes. We're gonna win
votes by saying, look, you know, this is what he's
doing to you know, immigrant populations. This is how it's
affecting red and blue states in the areas of agriculture
and the building into