1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:09,679 Speaker 1: Get command, don't get supremely magxell coming. Hey, welcome everybody, 2 00:00:09,759 --> 00:00:12,599 Here we go. It is the podcast version AF, as 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:17,440 we call it mcu AF. Matt Connorton unleashed the online 4 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,760 only edition of the show today is Thursday's September twenty five, 5 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,120 twenty twenty five, And joining me, of course, is Todd Air. 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,359 Speaker 2: Hello, Todd, Hey, how are you today? Matt? 7 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:29,679 Speaker 1: I say, of course, because I'm used to saying, you know, 8 00:00:29,879 --> 00:00:32,119 welcome to Hanging Left. So of course Todd is with me. 9 00:00:33,439 --> 00:00:36,359 So if for anyone who's for the uninitiated, if you're 10 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:39,439 not familiar, Todd and I do a podcast together called 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:44,320 Hanging Left, but today we were gonna do Jenny and 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,719 I were going to do Matt Connorton unleashed a live 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,640 podcast edition with Sarah Sarah Chatzunski, who I know is 14 00:00:51,679 --> 00:00:53,520 under the weather, but you and I Todd had a 15 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,960 great conversation with Sarah on Hanging Left absolutely a number 16 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,679 of weeks ago. And of course you're you're obviously involved 17 00:01:01,679 --> 00:01:04,560 in the campaign. Yeah, so it made sense for you 18 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,040 to step in in her place today as her voice 19 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:11,159 is not uh uh where it needs to be to 20 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:12,120 do something like. 21 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's the being out on the 22 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:19,680 trail and and really you know, being that voice for 23 00:01:19,719 --> 00:01:22,560 people that don't have a voice. You know, sometimes you 24 00:01:22,799 --> 00:01:25,079 literally lose your voice. It takes a lot out of you. So, 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,719 you know, we just we have her. Uh you know, 26 00:01:28,719 --> 00:01:31,079 she's a little under the weather. So I said to her, hey, 27 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,519 you know, take a step back, you know, get your 28 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,040 get yourself up and ready to go again so we 29 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:38,359 can be at one hundred percent because she is a 30 00:01:38,439 --> 00:01:39,439 human after all. 31 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we're we're getting into that time of year, 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,200 cold and flu season and all that goes with it. 33 00:01:47,359 --> 00:01:50,599 Absolutely so, uh so what can you tell us about 34 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,480 how things are going with the campaign? Well, and of 35 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,280 course for people who don't know, we should also of 36 00:01:55,319 --> 00:01:58,640 course talk about the seat that Sarah is running for 37 00:01:58,959 --> 00:02:01,319 and uh you know, kind of give people some background. 38 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:06,159 Speaker 2: Sure, So we are running for the what will be 39 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:12,319 the open seat in Congress, which is District one and 40 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:16,879 currently held by Christopher Pappus of uh you know, a 41 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:23,639 Manchester who owns uh The Puritan, and he is going 42 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,960 to be moving over to the Senate and our goal 43 00:02:26,199 --> 00:02:29,360 is to actually uh you know, partner with him and 44 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,960 and be in that role as the congressman, as well 45 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,560 as with Senator Maggie Goodlander, who handles the district two. 46 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: Okay, ye, so uh so why is uh, why is 47 00:02:41,159 --> 00:02:43,639 Sarah running for this? What? What is uh? What is 48 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:44,560 the objective here? 49 00:02:45,159 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: So? I think you know, the people really have spoken 50 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:54,360 pretty loudly about the fact that they need some real 51 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,879 humans in the race, you know, and just to add, 52 00:02:59,319 --> 00:03:02,879 you know, some reality and some sort of grounding effects 53 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:10,360 to Congress currently as it is. So you know Sarah's goal. 54 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:15,000 She does have a strong background in international relations, specifically 55 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:18,840 with the Ukraine. She even helped broker a sixty four 56 00:03:18,879 --> 00:03:23,680 billion dollar deal to get the Ukraine the necessary funding 57 00:03:23,719 --> 00:03:27,039 to defend themselves as a sovereign state. So you know, 58 00:03:27,479 --> 00:03:30,919 her idea basically is that, you know, why not I 59 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,599 have all this ability, I have the ability to build bridges, 60 00:03:34,199 --> 00:03:36,000 and certainly this is the time to build bridges and 61 00:03:36,039 --> 00:03:40,039 not burn them, and so why not work towards you know, 62 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:43,800 and use my connections and the respect I've gotten Washington 63 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:49,080 and internationally and and you know, defend people really and 64 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,360 defend this country because we we you know, democracy is 65 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:57,719 definitely it's it's it's it's not so stable, right, now, 66 00:03:57,759 --> 00:03:59,879 you know, I mean, we still have it intact, but 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,520 you know, there are definitely challenges going on right now. 68 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,639 So it's important that someone like Sarah comes out right 69 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,039 from the start and says, look, you know, democracy is 70 00:04:09,039 --> 00:04:12,919 as an experiment. You know, it's a it's a messy 71 00:04:12,919 --> 00:04:16,560 experiment at times, but it's something you have to work for. Yeah, 72 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,600 you can't take it for granted. And so she's standing 73 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,839 up and showing people that, you know, she's basically practicing 74 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:27,839 what she preaches, and she's out there defending democracy. So really, 75 00:04:27,879 --> 00:04:30,879 we're in this election and she's in this election. It's 76 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,639 really not about us. It's really about everyone, and it's 77 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,800 about you know, giving the people a voice again and 78 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,839 in an authentic voice. That's important, and people that they 79 00:04:40,879 --> 00:04:43,439 can trust that truly have their back. I mean, I 80 00:04:43,439 --> 00:04:45,120 think people really want someone that they can trust that 81 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,079 has their back, and Sarah we call it like to 82 00:04:48,079 --> 00:04:51,480 color Sarah c it's a little easier, but yeah, Sarah, 83 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:52,639 Sarah's that person. 84 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,199 Speaker 1: I do want to mention for people who are streaming 85 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,120 the show live. Obviously most people will get this in 86 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,879 the podcast and the podcast feed for Matt connorton Unleashed, 87 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,639 which you can find on all your major podcast platforms. 88 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,279 But if you do happen to be streaming the show 89 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:12,360 live on late Thursday afternoon early evening on September twenty fifth, uh, 90 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:14,879 feel free to comment in the chat room. We do 91 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,680 have the chat room open on your wherever you're watching 92 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,279 the show, whether it be on YouTube or Facebook or wherever. 93 00:05:21,399 --> 00:05:23,240 We're even on Rumble. Believe it or not, Todd, I 94 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,199 actually stream the show to Rumble. I know that that's 95 00:05:26,439 --> 00:05:28,720 that might might not be the most receptive audience, but 96 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,759 but that's part of why I like to stream the 97 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,439 show there and on LinkedIn as well. So yeah, yeah, 98 00:05:34,439 --> 00:05:37,399 so I try to try to make it as available 99 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:40,279 as possible or perhaps unavoidable would be a better way 100 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:40,759 of putting it. 101 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:44,439 Speaker 2: But well, what's great about you always that I really 102 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:47,480 do appreciate and I'm sure share Sara would share these sentiments. 103 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:51,519 You're really about equity and trying to keep a balance 104 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,199 and letting everyone kind of have a voice. Yeah, so, 105 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,000 I you know, I think it's important, Like, look, we're 106 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:58,680 not going to fix the things that are happening in 107 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,959 this country just remaining in an echo chamber and not 108 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:06,839 listening to the other viable sides. Yeah, and not basically 109 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:09,879 offering anybody that is pro democracy a seat at the table. 110 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's important to to, you know, be 111 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:17,040 very much open to that. So thank you for that. 112 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:20,439 And Sarah is in the chat room and says, appreciate 113 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:23,279 Todd speaking for me today while my voice is m 114 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:26,360 I A. I love my team, Thank you, Sarah. 115 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,199 Speaker 2: This is this is this is kind of reversal. Right, 116 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:32,120 my voice was the one that was challenged for god 117 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:32,920 knows how long. 118 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: So we should talk about you and again, listeners of 119 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,600 the Hanging Left podcast obviously are already very familiar with you, Todd. 120 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:43,360 But for for people who are not familiar with that 121 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,879 show who might not know you, what is what is 122 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:49,079 your role in the campaign and and how did you 123 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:53,439 how did this come about? Where where you're working with Sarah? 124 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: Sure, Matt, No, that's a good question. So basically I 125 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,360 am her political director. Not basically I am her political director. 126 00:06:59,399 --> 00:07:01,759 So what that kind of means is it's kind of 127 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,120 taken on, you know, it's an organic position, so it 128 00:07:04,199 --> 00:07:06,839 kind of takes on things that they need it. But 129 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:10,319 within the field area anyway, I'm her right hand person. 130 00:07:10,959 --> 00:07:15,920 Also I helped manage the field team and ultimately will 131 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,439 help her manage with the field team as sorry as 132 00:07:20,439 --> 00:07:23,160 the field team, we will all help manage the hopefully 133 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:25,959 the army of volunteers that we acquire. Hopefully, though, I 134 00:07:25,959 --> 00:07:28,439 mean a lot of people seem to already be interested. 135 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,800 It's just a matter of getting that aspect of the 136 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:31,839 campaign up and running. 137 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,639 Speaker 1: So as you do this, uh, what what are you 138 00:07:34,639 --> 00:07:37,120 seeing out there on the on the campaign trail? I mean, 139 00:07:37,199 --> 00:07:39,839 you know, when when you're able to obviously you know, 140 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,879 cold and flu season has already started. But but but 141 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,120 thatt aside, I mean what and by the way, this 142 00:07:46,199 --> 00:07:49,439 might this might contribute to people being sick because obviously 143 00:07:49,519 --> 00:07:52,959 campaigning is hard work, right for sure, probably nobody, nobody 144 00:07:52,959 --> 00:07:56,000 involved in this endeavor, including Sarah herself. I'm sure is 145 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:59,560 is getting enough rest and that's that just comes with it, right, 146 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,560 But but it's also worth it, of course to make 147 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,720 that sacrifice. But but what's it been like so far? 148 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's it's a lot of work, absolutely, 149 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,279 And why I you know, am definitely focused on this 150 00:08:15,959 --> 00:08:19,000 is because I guess I feel like, you know, all 151 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,639 of us have roles to play really in the world 152 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,879 in general. But I think that if you've been given 153 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:29,040 a gift, whether that's the gift of the ability to speak, 154 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,080 the ability to create coalitions and to help mobilize people, 155 00:08:34,759 --> 00:08:37,639 and you've been given and you have charisma, and you 156 00:08:37,759 --> 00:08:41,879 have the and also you happen to have contacts and 157 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,799 the ears of people that very few people have, the 158 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:48,240 ears of I almost think it's it's imperative and you're 159 00:08:48,279 --> 00:08:52,440 compelled to do what it takes in this moment to 160 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,720 do what you can to protect this country. I mean, 161 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,360 I would almost feel guilty if I hadn't joined the campaign. 162 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,480 And the thing about Sarah is that we have the 163 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,840 same philosophy, right, and that's that basically we understand the 164 00:09:07,879 --> 00:09:13,840 importance of having a universal vision which sort of takes 165 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,159 into account the people as well as the establishment as 166 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,279 well as like the you know, both the the very 167 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,919 left side of the establishment all the way to the 168 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:30,320 more center side and even you know, some more pragmatic 169 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:37,440 conservatives and hold more of like ideally like like a 170 00:09:38,399 --> 00:09:41,399 the conversation circle and and you know gets you know, 171 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:45,159 sometimes literally, sometimes figuratively, but just be out there and 172 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:49,519 open and let people know that, you know, to me, 173 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,720 I don't know. I couldn't really do anything else in 174 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:55,519 the moment. Honestly, I think that like I do happen, 175 00:09:55,799 --> 00:09:58,080 oh and so to I guess take a deeper dive 176 00:09:58,159 --> 00:10:04,000 into that. Myself, my colleague Jason who's her scheduler, as 177 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:06,600 well as a member of the field staff, and then 178 00:10:07,039 --> 00:10:11,440 Andrew who is also field staff and our photographer as 179 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,440 well as now myself and Andrew are now running the 180 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:17,080 social media part of it. You know, all of us 181 00:10:17,519 --> 00:10:20,519 and even Sarah herself, we come from an activism world. 182 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:24,200 We come from a activist world. We come from a 183 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,440 nonprofit world. We come from you know, amongst the people, 184 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,799 but some of us, and specifically myself and Sarah, we 185 00:10:32,919 --> 00:10:37,240 also have been lucky enough and have the privilege of 186 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,639 knowing some people that call the shots. So I think 187 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:44,600 that what the people want right now is people that 188 00:10:44,759 --> 00:10:49,759 are fighting for them and are having an honest conversation 189 00:10:49,919 --> 00:10:52,600 with the people and the establishment and not shunning them 190 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,399 and not beating them up, because I don't think that's 191 00:10:54,399 --> 00:10:56,559 going to get us anywhere, but definitely holding them to 192 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,240 accountability and saying you know, good enough isn't good enough, 193 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,159 and especially when you know the threats we're facing right 194 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,679 now are internal and serious and this is not time 195 00:11:08,759 --> 00:11:11,279 to like, you know, take your foot off the pedal. 196 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:12,559 I mean, you really got to hit it hard. 197 00:11:13,519 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 1: Well, how hard is that to navigate? I mean maybe 198 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,000 this is getting a little inside baseball, but but like you, 199 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,120 like you said, I mean as far as because yeah, 200 00:11:22,159 --> 00:11:24,919 you kind of have to fight. It's almost like in 201 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,279 my mind, and again I'm speaking from the perspective of 202 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:32,080 I've only ever had a lot of opinions and done 203 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,720 a lot of bloviating and commenting on politics. I've never 204 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:37,879 worked for a campaign. I've certainly never run for office. 205 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,279 So I'm very much asking this question from the outside 206 00:11:42,279 --> 00:11:44,440 because I am on the outside in that sense. But 207 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,639 you're you kind of it's almost like if this were 208 00:11:47,639 --> 00:11:50,360 a war, you'd be fighting on two fronts, right, because 209 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,360 you've got ultimately, you know, you're you're fighting for democracy, right, 210 00:11:55,399 --> 00:11:57,840 and you're you're fighting against the fascism that we're seeing 211 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,320 in all of that, right. So so you've got that fight. 212 00:12:00,799 --> 00:12:03,120 But before you even get to that fight, you've also 213 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:06,080 got the fight of how do you break through when 214 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,120 the establishment of the Democratic Party has such a hold 215 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,039 on everything you know, and they you know, everyone loves 216 00:12:14,039 --> 00:12:16,759 an underdog, except for those who are directly threatened by 217 00:12:16,759 --> 00:12:17,399 the underdog. 218 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: Right, although you know, that's an interesting point you bring up, 219 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,879 and I think that there's a little bit of a 220 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,039 confusion there. You know, it's it's not the time for 221 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:32,919 us to be divided, and so I think that because 222 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,240 some of us are I guess lucky or maybe unlucky 223 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,879 depending on your perspective to have the ears of both 224 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:43,240 the centrist establishment as well as the very left progressive. 225 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,759 You know, that allows us to rally the people, but honestly, 226 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:52,240 we're not. I don't see it as like fighting two fronts. 227 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:56,080 I see it as giving people permission to stand up. 228 00:12:56,519 --> 00:12:58,919 And Sarah sees it the same way. I mean, people 229 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:02,559 are just afraid. They're not they're not not wanting to fight. Yeah, 230 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,240 I mean there's that people don't know how to People 231 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,879 don't know what works and what doesn't work. And if 232 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:10,080 you're a member of the establishment, and I can only 233 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:14,879 speak I think to the New Hampshire establishment, but if 234 00:13:14,879 --> 00:13:17,600 you're a member of that establishment, I think we all 235 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,919 like no one in New Hampshire. As as Papas said 236 00:13:20,039 --> 00:13:23,279 very recently in a speech, we are not a pro 237 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,519 dictator state. No, I mean the whole Live for or 238 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,240 Die is all about independence. So yeah, right, so you 239 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:36,240 can grab that fire for independence and which just segues 240 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,720 very nicely into democracy and and get everybody on the 241 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,159 same page, because like, you know, yes, okay, there's the 242 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,559 Democrats of the Republicans, but there's also the big D, 243 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,159 which is democracy, and that's what we're all fighting for 244 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,759 against the other big D, which is dictatorship. You know, 245 00:13:53,759 --> 00:13:58,600 that's what we're fighting against. And most people that you know, look, 246 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,399 only about thirty percent of this population. And that's so 247 00:14:02,519 --> 00:14:04,960 thirty percent will follow him, I would say, once it's 248 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,000 all said and done, and then within that thirty percent, 249 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,919 conservatively fifteen percent but probably closer to like five percent 250 00:14:12,399 --> 00:14:17,320 would benefit from this power grab. You know, a vast 251 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,200 majority of even the people following him, he's just lying 252 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:22,240 to them and feeding them their breads and circuses. But 253 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,519 the end of the day, his plan is you know, 254 00:14:24,519 --> 00:14:28,559 their disposal too to him. Oh so it's just important, 255 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,559 you know, Look, we can't flip everyone, right, And it's 256 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,679 really it's it's kind of like this. This is how 257 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,120 I look at it, and I think it's how Sarah 258 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,399 would probably say it too. It just so happens. The 259 00:14:41,399 --> 00:14:43,600 Democratic Party right now is the party that's standing up 260 00:14:43,639 --> 00:14:46,720 for people. But we support everyone that stands up for people. 261 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:49,320 So at the end of the day, we you know, 262 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,879 we welcome open dialogue and a little bit of you know, 263 00:14:56,399 --> 00:14:59,559 descent amongst each other in a positive, healthy way. Yeah, 264 00:14:59,679 --> 00:15:01,080 that's what democracies about. 265 00:15:02,279 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: Sarah did stay in the chow room. It's not the 266 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,039 time to be divided either. We are all in this together. 267 00:15:07,679 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think matt were very lucky because 268 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,399 New England and definitely New Hampshire it's one of those 269 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:18,440 places that you know, for the longest time prior to 270 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:22,919 pre Maga, I grew up my whole life not knowing 271 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,840 people as Democrat or Republican or independent. I mean most 272 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,840 people actually call themselves independent. And it wasn't a dirty 273 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,919 word either because it didn't necessarily mean like this quase 274 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,360 like hiding of like libertarian, which was a quase hiding 275 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,080 of mega. It wasn't at. 276 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,639 Speaker 1: All, especially especially in New Hampshire by the way, as 277 00:15:40,639 --> 00:15:43,279 an unusually high number of duties. 278 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 2: I mean, people were generally independent and people were generally 279 00:15:47,519 --> 00:15:52,240 not wanting to get involved in people's personal business, you know. 280 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,600 I mean the arguments typically were just like some variations 281 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,240 on fiscal responsibility and that kind of thing, and where 282 00:15:58,279 --> 00:15:59,840 do we spend the money? Where don't we spend the money? 283 00:15:59,879 --> 00:16:04,080 But you know, I'd never met anyone prior to this 284 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,360 current situation that wanted to tear everything down and burn 285 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:09,840 it all down and have some sort of like you know, 286 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,039 sci Fi dictatorship going right right. 287 00:16:14,879 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: By the way, Jenny is also in the chat room 288 00:16:16,519 --> 00:16:19,639 and says, hello, Hi, Jenny, how are you. She wanted 289 00:16:19,639 --> 00:16:22,039 to be with us, but she's also taking a break. 290 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,480 So okay, yeah, we all need you know, we all 291 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,840 need uh, we all need to unplug sometimes, right, We 292 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:29,159 gotta yet to think think about think about our health, 293 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,919 which I don't always you know, I also am am 294 00:16:32,919 --> 00:16:35,720 a victim to uh, you know, thinking I'm Superman and. 295 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,399 Speaker 2: Oh myself included. You know, it's difficult right now because 296 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:43,000 Sarah is basically asked to be in some respects, She's 297 00:16:43,039 --> 00:16:46,519 asked a kind of It's like a human being asked 298 00:16:46,559 --> 00:16:49,480 to play Wonder Woman, just like maybe we're people trying 299 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:53,159 to be Superman. But you're right, the realities were not superheroes. 300 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:55,879 We don't have superpowers, and so we got to do 301 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:56,679 what we got to do. 302 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: Right, right exactly. So what are you hearing, you know, 303 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:03,120 out on the campaign trail, like, what are you what 304 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:03,799 are you hearing from? 305 00:17:03,799 --> 00:17:08,319 Speaker 2: This? Actually pretty pleasantly surprising. I mean, I think most 306 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,960 people so it's a good time to be outside the 307 00:17:11,519 --> 00:17:15,119 system and it's a good time to be I would 308 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,920 say a little more progressive of center like like center 309 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:23,440 like still understand. I would call it a pragmatic progressive 310 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,559 because you know, progress in the sense that a lowercase 311 00:17:29,599 --> 00:17:34,160 P progress where you support change and you support moving 312 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:38,799 forward and you support so not a radicalized definition of 313 00:17:38,839 --> 00:17:41,960 progressive like you know, the alt right has tried to 314 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:49,759 mark the Democratic Party with progressive right as in the 315 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,920 but it's not. It's about change, right, so you know. 316 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,480 But at the end of the day, who really it 317 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,359 doesn't again, it doesn't matter and there will be some 318 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:02,000 some differences absolutely, but you know, the Democratic Party is 319 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,920 a big tent party and there is room for everyone. Uh. 320 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,799 The only I would say non negotiable is democracy. I mean, 321 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:13,720 it's just not negotiable, well said uh. 322 00:18:13,799 --> 00:18:15,839 Speaker 1: Sarah also said can't save the world if you don't 323 00:18:15,839 --> 00:18:20,559 get any sleep. We're a team for a reason. Yeah, 324 00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:21,359 that's true. 325 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:22,319 Speaker 2: Although very true. 326 00:18:22,519 --> 00:18:26,559 Speaker 1: Although my my caffeine addiction might disagree. But yeah, but 327 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,839 my caffeine addiction might kill me eventually. I don't know. 328 00:18:29,079 --> 00:18:32,519 Speaker 2: But sometimes you're just for you know, let me tell 329 00:18:32,519 --> 00:18:35,559 you from someone that knows, like, you know, look at 330 00:18:35,599 --> 00:18:37,400 you know the last time I was doing that whole 331 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,640 voice thing. Yeah, I got my if I've got my 332 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:43,599 button gear and got tested for you know, strap and 333 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,200 treated it right away. Yeah, I would have had a 334 00:18:46,319 --> 00:18:49,880 voice a lot sooner. Right, Sometimes you have to give in, 335 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:51,359 you know, as much as you don't want to. 336 00:18:51,599 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: That is that, That is absolutely true. Absolutely none of. 337 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: Us are good at fifty percent, right, Like, this is 338 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,079 not a fifty percent level fight, So were better to say, 339 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,160 you know what, we can't give one hundred percent or 340 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:05,880 even seventy five percent right now, So we're going to 341 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,720 have to unplug for a few even for a few days, yeah, 342 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:12,119 because then we can come back in one hundred percent again. 343 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:16,039 Speaker 1: Right, right? Do you you know do you want to 344 00:19:16,039 --> 00:19:20,039 talk about specific Uh oh, actually, let me read this comment. 345 00:19:20,079 --> 00:19:22,799 Sarah made another comment and then this this might be 346 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:24,480 a good jumping off point for what I was about 347 00:19:24,519 --> 00:19:26,119 to ask as a matter of fact, she said, we're 348 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,279 hearing a lot of people that want policy that actually 349 00:19:28,319 --> 00:19:31,400 makes sense. We want change, but not this change. People 350 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,599 are concerned and ready to step into help how they can. 351 00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:39,519 So I was and I was about to ask you 352 00:19:39,559 --> 00:19:41,359 about about policy as a matter of fact. 353 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think this is the one thing I 354 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,440 think also that's helping bring us all together. Whether you 355 00:19:47,519 --> 00:19:51,440 talk to Pappus, good Lander, Sarah, even some of our 356 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,960 opponents in this race. You know, I would say the 357 00:19:55,039 --> 00:20:00,519 key word is affordability, and then that is literally partnered 358 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:05,559 in parallel to human rights. So even if you have 359 00:20:05,839 --> 00:20:09,599 a very socially conscious focus or you have a very 360 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:16,119 economically focused the two cannot exist in a vacuum. They 361 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:20,960 both need each other. So lack of affordability means lack 362 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:25,240 of human rights, and lack of human rights means people 363 00:20:25,599 --> 00:20:29,640 don't get the same level of resources and access to resources. 364 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: Well, there's the three basic needs, right, and then there's 365 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:35,079 a hierarchy of needs which is a little deeper about 366 00:20:35,079 --> 00:20:38,359 the three basic needs, food, clothing, and shelter. So you know, 367 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,319 if people can't afford food, and they can't afford clothing 368 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:47,240 and they can't afford housing, then yeah, then then they 369 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,359 don't have they don't have rights and you know, basic 370 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:52,640 human rights and dignity and all of that right. 371 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,839 Speaker 2: And so here's our goal. Our goal is to basically 372 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,519 at least meet that baseline and make sure they can 373 00:20:57,599 --> 00:21:00,480 have all of those things right and they our rights, 374 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,480 not privileges. And then once we do that, then we 375 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:07,640 can go in and really start to like you know, 376 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:11,720 organically grow the United States and the democracy that we want. 377 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,319 And there's going to be some exchange of ideas and 378 00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:16,240 there's going to be some arguments, and there's going to 379 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:24,759 be you know, a level of compromise. But compromise until 380 00:21:24,839 --> 00:21:29,000 this whole situation was not necessarily dirty word. As a 381 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000 matter of fact, it's almost the necessity. 382 00:21:31,799 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: Now in terms of in terms of policy. And you know, 383 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,880 you use out that word a very important word, affordability, 384 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,640 which is something that people are very concerned about. I 385 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,039 don't know, like, I don't know how into the weeds 386 00:21:46,079 --> 00:21:48,920 you want to get, because I want to know. I 387 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,359 want to well, I want to know more, but I 388 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,799 also I want to be conscious of I'm sure you 389 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:56,079 don't want to get out too far ahead of Sarah 390 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,880 and shall say about anything. So I want to know, 391 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,000 but I also understand and respect that you know, there's 392 00:22:03,039 --> 00:22:05,880 only so far you can go as far as specific policy. Sure, 393 00:22:06,039 --> 00:22:07,359 but here's what you can tell us. 394 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:09,279 Speaker 2: But the other interesting thing about this, Matt, is that 395 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,960 like our policies, I don't know how the other campaigns 396 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,720 are doing it. But even our policies we do in 397 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:19,720 like a you know, a forum type environment. So typically 398 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:23,039 what we do, it's it's primarily I would say myself 399 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:26,359 and Jason and then also her consultant Anthony, we kind 400 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,240 of craft what we think are are good policies for 401 00:22:32,039 --> 00:22:35,079 you know, that makes sense that and then also are 402 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,079 winning policies, you know, and then she will go through 403 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,160 it and she will make sure that it's you know, 404 00:22:41,279 --> 00:22:45,799 sarahfied like it works for Sarah right, which is important. 405 00:22:45,799 --> 00:22:50,319 I mean, authenticity is super important. So I don't know, 406 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,400 do that answer your question? So I guess back in 407 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,480 the whole thing, what do you want to know exactly 408 00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:56,599 about the like what policies or what would. 409 00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,279 Speaker 1: You Well, so when we're talking about affordability, like what 410 00:22:59,319 --> 00:23:01,400 are what are what are some of the ideas because 411 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,359 obviously affordable when we say affordability. You know, we we 412 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:08,000 mean we're talking about inflation, we're talking about housing, which 413 00:23:08,079 --> 00:23:10,319 you know is part of inflation, but obviously that there's 414 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,039 also separate issues with housing. I mean, are are we 415 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,480 talking about I heard an idea floated recently that I 416 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:21,240 would support, you know, banning private equity, for example, from 417 00:23:21,279 --> 00:23:23,680 buying residential housing. I don't know, I mean, are are 418 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,559 there things like that? I mean, any anything in you 419 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:28,160 can give us? 420 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, absolutely for sure. So I don't know 421 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,200 her her stand exactly on the private equity equity side 422 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:41,839 of things. I do know that we support, you know, 423 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,640 a universal health care system. I do know that we 424 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:52,279 support fair and equitable housing. The keyword of equity versus 425 00:23:52,319 --> 00:23:56,200 the quality, meaning everything is brought up to a baseline 426 00:23:56,519 --> 00:23:59,640 that works for everyone where they're at. So meeting people 427 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,319 where they're as opposed to like this, no matter what 428 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,799 the formula is, there isn't one size fit's all right, 429 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,279 So you have to be open to adaptive policies and 430 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,279 policies that kind of which is what makes doing policies 431 00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:13,920 so challenging. 432 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's one of the things that And again 433 00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:20,319 speaking as an outsider who's never been involved in a campaign. 434 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,759 I would imagine that that's one of the most challenging 435 00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:28,160 parts because you have to you have to craft policy 436 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,960 that makes sense, that addresses the problems, but also that 437 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:36,920 can be communicated and articulated to the to the voters 438 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,200 or prospective voters, and then if you win policy that 439 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,240 you can follow through on because you'll be held to 440 00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:46,680 count the next time you run. So I would imagine 441 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:50,160 that that's one of the most absolutely, one of the 442 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:51,440 most challenging parts of this. 443 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:56,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, although I think that it's there's 444 00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:02,240 an interesting situation going on here, that's it what people 445 00:25:02,279 --> 00:25:04,799 don't realize, And I think we didn't realize this. I mean, 446 00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:09,240 I happened to have worked for the directly for the 447 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,880 Harris campaign, and I think, sorry, hold on, yeah, no 448 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,119 worries one of the biggest mistakes that we made. And 449 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,720 that's why I now work with a actual campaign and 450 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:23,319 not for the DNC directly, because there's a lot more 451 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,119 autonomy and a lot more ability to like be yourself. 452 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:30,839 But anyway, so I'd rather work with establishment rather than 453 00:25:30,839 --> 00:25:36,960 be part of the establishment. Sure, sure, but anyway, what 454 00:25:37,079 --> 00:25:39,960 was he saying? Oh, so, I think it's kind of 455 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,079 going back to your analogy of Maslow's higherarchy of needs, right, 456 00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:47,279 I think it's unfair to ask people that haven't reached 457 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,279 levels one and two, which is you know, subsistence slash 458 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:55,400 baseline survival and then just living to then sit and 459 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,960 pontificate about these higher level things that myself and say 460 00:26:00,039 --> 00:26:02,240 our own Jason and all the rest of us political 461 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,400 junkies talk about. Right. And it's also sort of silly 462 00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:09,240 and kind of naive to think that we can convince 463 00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:14,279 people on these like abstract, sort of like idealistic things 464 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,680 to support us. But but the but the other side 465 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,480 of that coin is that if you give people those 466 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,799 things and you raise their baseline, ay, they're more open 467 00:26:26,519 --> 00:26:30,279 to social progressive change and be they're not threatened by 468 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,160 it because you're not saying we're gonna take this away 469 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:37,640 to do this, right, You're providing them a good baseline 470 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,000 and we're we're we want more than basics. And that's 471 00:26:40,039 --> 00:26:44,400 the other problem too. I mean, up to this point, 472 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:49,160 I think a lot of people, certainly the current leadership, 473 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:54,559 certain current administration, they're giving people just like baseline survival 474 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,279 or a little bit better. It's like baseline survival with 475 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,359 a package that looks a little nicer, but the day 476 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,119 it's just gilded and it really is just baseline survival, 477 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,079 you know. In that way, we like to look at 478 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,440 like some European models and things like that, where people, 479 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,079 you know, actually there their basic needs, they're met and 480 00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:15,680 then even some of their wants, right Like, you know, 481 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,920 it's it's not about oh my god, like we can 482 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,200 get by, It's about we all deserve a quality of living. 483 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,559 Speaker 1: Right right. Uh. Sarah commented in the chat room to again, 484 00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:29,319 regarding policy, we are working with community leaders to put 485 00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:32,680 together policy that's not pie in the sky, things that 486 00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:35,680 actually makes sense and can be put into action to 487 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,480 make a difference. 488 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. That that's a good point that she brings up, 489 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:42,519 and I'm sorry I should have remembered that too as well. Yeah, 490 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:45,799 how we're formulating our policy is sitting down with the experts. 491 00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:48,960 So like I'm not going to sit down, and Sarah's 492 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,480 not going to sit down, although she happens to be 493 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:52,640 in education, so maybe that's not a great example. Well, 494 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,480 let's say, like the current CALF and Human Services secretary, 495 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,160 we're not about to go tell doctors how they should 496 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:05,960 be handling a pandemic, right or like, we're not going 497 00:28:06,039 --> 00:28:11,119 to write policies that ignore medical and scientific evidence. We're 498 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,720 going to listen to the experts. We're going to look 499 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,400 at the studies, and then we're going to base policies 500 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,319 on those things. 501 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: Right now, that that makes sense. 502 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 2: You know? And if we're making policies about changing and 503 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,880 getting police and policing in a better place, then we're 504 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:31,839 going to talk to both sides. We're going to talk 505 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,680 to this to the people and the communities that feel 506 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,400 over policed or whatever it is and they feel like 507 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,920 there's a police biased and the police activists. But we're 508 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,680 also going to talk to the police themselves and ask them, like, 509 00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:45,359 you know, how can we build a bridge? See, it's 510 00:28:45,359 --> 00:28:48,400 really all about building bridges. It's not about like like 511 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:51,640 let's pick one side and really run hard at that 512 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,599 one side. 513 00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:55,039 Speaker 1: Right right? 514 00:28:57,599 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 2: Does that make sense? No? 515 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: It does? It does. What is is there anything that's 516 00:29:01,519 --> 00:29:04,119 really surprised you again, in terms of being out on 517 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,839 the campaign trail and talking to people, Anything that that 518 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,160 maybe people are concerned with that you didn't expect, or 519 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:14,920 maybe that you didn't expect quite so much, or oh yeah, yeah, 520 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,519 go ahead. 521 00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:17,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll be honest I mean, as far 522 00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:21,440 as Maslows hierarchy of needs go, I've been very lucky, 523 00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:23,240 and I've been around a lot of people that are 524 00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:26,720 very lucky and frankly relatively privileged to live in that 525 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,559 like third rum. So I can sit around and self 526 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:33,319 actualize and I can think about the big picture, macro 527 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:37,240 ways to make the world a better place. And what 528 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,160 shocked me is that because I have come from the 529 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,400 environment that I've come from, even young people around me 530 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,920 live still relatively privileged you know, life lives, so they 531 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,480 were able to sort of like, then we're you're able 532 00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:54,960 to sort of save the world when all your basic 533 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,680 needs are met and then more than met, you know, 534 00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:01,680 like right. So I think I think it's it's really 535 00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:07,319 getting that pragmatism down that even amongst the activists there 536 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,160 still is a root line in act in in pragmatism. 537 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,000 But then again, it's actually not shocking because then when 538 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:17,759 you talk to the older, more established people, they tend 539 00:30:17,759 --> 00:30:19,759 to fall or not even ai the older, but people 540 00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:22,200 are just more established and more comfortable, then they do 541 00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:24,839 tend to go to the save democracy side. So I 542 00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:29,680 think the thing that's very interesting is that I think 543 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:34,759 a like a bilateral message or a multi lateral message, 544 00:30:34,759 --> 00:30:39,119 A multim you know, directional message is so much more 545 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:46,839 effective and more realistic than certainly that a singular message. 546 00:30:47,319 --> 00:30:50,799 So you know, it's looking at all those variables. But 547 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,400 it's also what I love is there's this little game 548 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,359 out there. It's like, you know, I like to say 549 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,519 green is very green, you know, because I'm very environmental, right, 550 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,119 But rather than it and argue, you know, until you're 551 00:31:04,599 --> 00:31:08,160 out of breath about saving the whales, which is important, 552 00:31:08,559 --> 00:31:12,440 there's actually arguments out there as to how saving the 553 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:19,279 whales creates this whole like biodiversity and biosystem within the 554 00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:24,240 ocean that supports the food chains that supports like like 555 00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:28,720 ocean agricul like all this amazing stuff. Yeah, we're so 556 00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:32,759 much more interconnected even with other species than we think 557 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:36,079 we are, right, absolutely, and I think that's so important. 558 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:42,000 So we can almost create the same eco system within politics. 559 00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:45,680 I mean, we can have a like a multi ecosystem, 560 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,119 and I think that that's something Sarah really seems to 561 00:31:48,119 --> 00:31:50,599 support too, is this idea. I mean, she works in 562 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,799 defense and she works in international relations, so you absolutely 563 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,000 are going to be talking to some Republicans And although 564 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:04,160 the maga people would like us to feel like, you know, 565 00:32:04,599 --> 00:32:05,920 and when I mean the mag of people, I mean 566 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,079 specifically the the mad King and his his his nutty 567 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:15,079 court gesters, you know, the administration itself, not that not 568 00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,400 even necessarily all the people that even voted for him, 569 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,400 because of course that's not the case. But these you know, 570 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:26,880 they they don't understand that it's really not this this 571 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,759 voice that he's it's not the narrative he's spinning. Like 572 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,400 we're a lot more like than we think. Most people 573 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,480 want the same things, and most people will actually go 574 00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:39,839 for it if you tell them that's what you're gonna 575 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:40,240 fight for. 576 00:32:41,799 --> 00:32:45,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, he he spends it. Uh, the mad King as 577 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,519 you refer to him as, uh, you know, from all. 578 00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:50,519 Speaker 2: He's kind of mad. I mean, this is all this is, 579 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,400 this is nuts. 580 00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:55,519 Speaker 1: Yeah. He puts everything, you know, from a presentative, from 581 00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:59,799 a position of division and and and fear, very fear. 582 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,319 You know that the immigrants are taking you know, the 583 00:33:02,359 --> 00:33:04,119 migrants are taking all your jobs and all that kind 584 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,200 of stuff, and you know, just you know. 585 00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 2: It's also very verbose, and it's very like out of 586 00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:15,279 like like out of the world, out of worldliness. It's 587 00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:19,079 like he wants to create this like this echo chamber 588 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,799 that is like, you know, the apocalypse, almost like he's 589 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,519 rescuing us from the apocalypse, which is not what he's 590 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:29,279 doing at all, If anything, he's But here's the good news. 591 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,640 He's a lot more and his administration is a lot 592 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:38,039 more fragmented and a lot more disjointed than people think. 593 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:43,119 I mean, the most power people have or the most 594 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,039 powerful people, and their biggest weapon is convincing you they 595 00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:48,839 have a lot of power. So you realize that they 596 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,519 don't have as much power as we think they do. 597 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:52,400 You're disarming them right there. 598 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: Well, he did say only he can how did he 599 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,079 put it? I don't know, only he can do it 600 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,680 or only he can say. Well, here's the thing. 601 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,119 Speaker 2: The problem with that mindset is even people amongst his 602 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,720 leadership don't agree with that now and they're starting to 603 00:34:07,799 --> 00:34:11,000 voice that. So he's got a power grab within his 604 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,360 power structure. That's never good. 605 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 1: Right, Well, so we can now. 606 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 2: Win by actually unifying and then just like exposing and 607 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:28,039 not even exposing them as individuals and their characters because 608 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:31,239 everybody knows it's buffoonery, like we're gonna not get you 609 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,599 where by constantly saying, you know, Trump's a clown. Hences 610 00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:36,880 the clown, they're all pre you know, that's not going 611 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,960 to how we're going to win votes. We're gonna win 612 00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:42,679 votes by saying, look, you know, this is what he's 613 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:47,760 doing to you know, immigrant populations. This is how it's 614 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:53,000 affecting red and blue states in the areas of agriculture 615 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:54,559 and the building into