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and that I'm aware of now. There could be some

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book which has been vindicated in a lot of these

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it in the last year many many times, and pretty

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much the controversial aspects have been vindicated, particularly connections to

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Princess Diana that seems to be there explicit with Epstein

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that we as we saw a couple of days ago.

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else has. I've seen no one else cover this, and

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he mentions that Massad wanted I think, to bog the

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Vatican and they weren't sick. I think they were not

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successful in that, but what they did was really establish

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closer and closer relationships with John Paul the Second which

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led to the recognition of the nation state of Israel,

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and that happened under John Paul the Second, and Gordon

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else has talked about this? Now, why is that relevant? Well,

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it's relevant because that explains the close relationship between John

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Paul the Second and Jeffrey Epstein clear as day, and

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it also is dealt with in this extensive book, not

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the Masad stuff, but Darcy O'Brien's book Hidden Vote there

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with the close relationship between John Paul the Second and

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the promotion of what's in Nostrotade and Lumingentium sixty. So

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the fact that there were five loans back in the

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eighteen hundreds. Now, I remember the first time I noticed this.

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something like the Rothchilds have been the official papal bankers

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since the seventeen hundreds. I think that's what the Jewish

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and that was I forget which pope that was Gregory

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eighteen thirties, Gregory the sixteenth in the eighteen thirties, significant

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loans to the papal to the papacy in the eighteen thirties,

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eighteen thirty three, eighteen thirty seven, eighteen thirty two. And

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Jewish Encyclopedia and find out exactly what it says. And

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cat and I was kind of taken aback because I

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some they maybe the paper was in dire straits and

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they had to resort to a roth Child loan or

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something like that, and it wasn't necessarily compromised at the stage.

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were getting money or nothing?

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this is not the seventeen hundred. Excuse me. It is

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somewhat curious sequel to attempt a Catholic competitor to the

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Rothchilds pretor the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure.

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So there you see, and that is in the eighteen hundreds.

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hundreds in the Jewish encyclopedia under the Rothschild entry right there,

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culminating the failure of Bearings. But in this case the

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the latter are the guardians of the papal treasure. So

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the geisencyclopedia, but regardless, it is known and admitted that

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Napoleonic Wars, and this was James Meyer de Rothschild and

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thousand pounds equivalent to four point five million in twenty

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twenty three. And then guess that, look at this loans

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under based in trad Pious the ninth, the so called

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trad pope a Vatican one. Huh.

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like it's admitted when you get into the high level books, right.

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because you were talking about like the British banks, uh huh.

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Speaker 1: Admit they're like, oh yeah, like each one of.

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Speaker 1: And it's Fiat fractional reserve banking, and he says, they

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make it up out of thin air. And I understood this,

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and this is why David Rockefeller appointed me to the

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not because I, I mean, I don't really follow Bann

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he would know these kind of conspiracy classics, right, like

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you would think people know about fractional reserve banking and

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loaning out. You know, double the amount that the banks

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like with Larry Summers in the Vatican Bank email, is

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like having to explain these conspiracy concepts to people like

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roth Tell's official biography that I have right here, the

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Morton one, you can see that, according to the biographer,

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the famous Waterloo story, they brag about it. They say, yeah,

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that's true. We got advanced intelligence on Waterloo and then

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we were able to short the market, collapse it and

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buy it up on an engineered panic in one day.

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up here. By the way, this got two hundred and

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fifty thousand impressions, so that one did good.

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called Founder and it's about amshell.

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Speaker 1: If you read in there.

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it's presenting it in a positive light. And it says

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dukes in Germany, and that he figured out because the

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duke didn't know anything about his money, he didn't even

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know how much he had, and he would make loans

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with the duke's money and then keep all the profits

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duke's money, and that's how he became richer than the

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duke was through the interest that he was using by

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loaning out the duke's money.

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time that they were, you know, keeping the heads of

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this interview to Bannon. Bannon says, so are you are

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you saying that the politicians aren't really really running the countries?

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interested in. They don't know how this stuff works. He's like, well,

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when you got somebody like me, he's like, I understood

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high finance and that it's fractional reserve banking. And he

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says that was very useful to David Rockefeller and that's

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why he in nineteen ninety appointed me as part of

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the Trilateral Commission. And Bannon is just still kind of like,

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asking that's like two or three times, like so you're saying,

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you're say politicians don't know what's going on. It's like

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go ahead, never read David Rockefeller's memoir, No, he didn't.

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Speaker 1: And I'm proud of it, and not as well that

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this shows that it's not a do you want to

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with Israel and the Zionists. For David Rockefeller, it's he's

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above that. It's a WASP Zionist alliance. And by the way,

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people as well, So it's all of the above. It's

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the elites working together. And that's why Rockfeller would recruit

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glad that somebody community noted this because the email is

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Jeffrey to Larry Summers. It's not Larry Summers, the Clinton

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viper banker that destroyed and looted Russia after the Cold War.

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explaining shadow banking to a banker, to a public economics

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so called expert. And he says, look, the reason that

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The Vatican Bank is a sovereign country. It is exempt

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from the transparency rules not only of Italy but also

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of the European Union. This status allows its elite clients

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to evade any scrutiny in their money transfers. Last May,

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the Vatican Bank President Ettore god Tadeshi was fired after

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Italian authorities open investigation into a far flunk briberies scheme

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and in which he was alleged to have been involved.

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were searched. I remember when all this broke, by the way,

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the time they had instruction on how that he used

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because he knew Vatican Bank secrets. By late twenty twelve,

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he was cooperating with an Italian investigation, but at this

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point it was the all powerful College of Cardinals in

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one of his last acts that Benedict of the papacy

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appoint the German lawyer Ernst von Freiberg as a president

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of the bank. This came came, then came the extraordinary

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resignation of Pope Benedict the sixteenth. Now this is also

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interesting because a lot of quote conspiracy theorists were also

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with probably the Vatican Bank and PDF blackmail, right, that

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blackmailer extraordinary here with Jeff Stin mcgeffrey admitting that the

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we just covered this a few nights ago. That was

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set up by McKittrick and Alan Dulles in coordination with

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certain German bankers of the reichs Bank to help be

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a way to funnel and send money above the access

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allied conflict. So they wanted a bank that was quote neutral,

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that wouldn't be subject to the investigation of either allies

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or access powers. And Dulles helped through his law firm

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and through his time as a banker at the Bank

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of England and other places Schroederbank and others, which by

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the way, helped tiny Mustache Man to come to power.

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above allied or axis investigation or purview. And as Burton

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Hirsch notes in his book, the bankers at that level

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were above No excuse me, it's not Burnhurst, it's the

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new book Who Financed Hitler that my publisher put out.

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That chapter on the BIS notes that that's an international

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banking clique largely JP Morgan, which JP Morgan is a

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front for who Rothschild Banking. So that's how we make

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the connection to that, and we did a whole stream

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on that the other night. But to get back to

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the Vatican Bank, the Vatican Bank is the same apparatus

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and the alliance made between the os S and CA

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happened explicit according to multiple Catholic writers and historians, Paul

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Williams all the Gladiotechs that we've covered, It was James

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Jesus Angleton especially, but also Bill Donovan, who was a

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tradcat and they forged that alliance with the OSS and

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the CIA and the Vatican Bank during the Cold War.

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And then William Colby of course also further solidified that

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because he was stationed at the Roman Desk. This is all,

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by the way, in the documentary on William Colby made

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by his son, we did a whole livestream on that

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documentary because it also vindicates this information. So here have

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William Colby's own son literally making a documentary admitting all this,

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and then you've got Jessa mceffrey in the first thirty

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minutes of the Bannon interview also admitting all this. So

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you guys, especially all you load tier trad Cats and

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Roman Catholics who keep just incessantly ignoring this and trying

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to cover up for the papacy in this ridiculous nonsense

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that Francis hacked Epstein. Utter bullshit. Probably the biggest bullshit

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of the week isn't the fake AI of Epstein being alive.

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It's this Roman Catholic profile that's trying to argue that

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Francis is the hero that saved Meanwhile, you know Epstein's

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over here in multiple emails saying yes, I will organize

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the meetings with the Pope. Yeah, we'll have meetings, blah

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blah blah. I'm gonna go meet with the papac. I'm

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gonna hang out with John Paul. And by the way, no,

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I don't have a problem admitting here you have one

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of the Greek arcons of the ep Somebody said, ha ha, no, orthodox,

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we're in the in the files. Not true. The very

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influential ARCon here is listed. I think he's in the

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Black Book. Yeah, I don't know who this person is.

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John Katsimatitis, Greek billionaire and arkon behind Bartholomew. So you

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want to understand how Bartholomew pushes all the nonsense that

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he pushes is because these are the people behind Bartholomew. Duh.

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So it is not true. And by the way, I'm

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not afraid to say, oh, you won't talk about Orthodox

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Well there you go, right there, there's one right there.

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But you got to understand how ridiculous that this is

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when you actually read the email or assume me it's

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an FBI in formant report, m account there's are coping

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with the absolute bullshit they're spreading claiming that Francis out

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at Epstein and quote hacked him. And it's wild to

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me that no one actually read this email because this

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totally bullshit thing here got four point two million impressions

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sixteen thousand likes. Okay, this says nothing like that anywhere.

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There is no indication at all. In fact, the indication

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in this FBI informant report is the opposite. The hacker

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has a Vatican passport. This is Epstein's hacker, not the

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person who hacked Epstein, Epstein's own alleged personal hacker, you idiots.

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And this person is giving a confidential informant report to

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an FBI agent is what this document is and it

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says this person's report. Informant says Epstein had a compound

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in New Mexico. He lured and recorded things there with

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underage people. He had a private island, allegedly was Putin's

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wealth manager. Don't know if that's true, but that's this

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is just a person saying this to the FBI. So

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remember this, that's all this is provided the service for

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Robert Mugabe managing his wealth. Epstein had connections to people

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in MIT. Epstein had a mansion in Westside, New York,

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friends of Bill Clinton, very close to Trump, this informant

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is saying, and then it goes on to say that

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this informant was Epstein's personal hacker. Does that say that

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this person hacked for Pope Francis. That's why I said

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you're a legit moron to this guy who posted this. Now,

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maybe this guy's looks like he's a Spanish based profile,

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so he could be in Spain or Portugal, and maybe

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he can't read English, because this doesn't say that Epstein

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was hacked by the Pope's hacker, you idiot. It says

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this person, this informant is claiming to be Epstein's personal hacker,

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You idiot. He was an Italian born citizen in Calabria

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and he was involved in developed, helping zero day exploits

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for cyber tools for governments and others. He says he

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was involved in helping the Saudis create a surveillance program.

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He did a zero day exploit against Hesbelah. Okay, so

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this is this person's claim about his tech proclivities and abilities.

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Then he talks about seed money, banking, et cetera, hacking

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work he did, and then it says he was friends

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with old school European hackers. One friend was a hacker

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named something, and then it's all blocked out. Says that

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he was involved in something about with connection to Hesbelah,

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and then it says money was sent to Switzerland. Blah

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blah blah. Zero day exploits. That's a certain kind of

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a hack. It relates to a crypto for example. It

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goes on to say the Italian government asked blank for help,

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presumably this person, but he declined because he felt that

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the government was incompetent. Colabria was mob controlled area in

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Italy and did not have much loyalty for his own country.

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He sold the exploits to the United States in the UK,

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but he would not go to any Asian sell to

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Asian countries because quote, he was racist. So the FBI

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agent has taken down this guy's information. He's like, okay,

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so this guy will not sell to Asian countries because

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he's racist. And it says he was also antisemitic. But

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he was terrified of going to Russia. But he would not, however,

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and would never travel there. He lived in Dubai, he

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lived in Oman. He may be Iranian and have an

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Israeli passport as well as a Vatican City passport. Now,

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these idiot Roman Catholic profiles sharing this, you cannot make

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this up. Tried to take that and say, quote the

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FBI says hack of Epstein was carried out from the Vatican.

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Did that say anything like that anywhere at all? Absolutely not,

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And in fact it's the exact opposite. This person is

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Epstein's hacker, allegedly knows Epstein, he says is ratting on

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Epstein and has in Israeli and Vatican passport. You idiots,

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total utter bullshit, So that one wins the award for

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most ridiculous bullshit so far. There was something else that

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was gonna. Oh, by the way, as you guys know,

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a little side note. I suspect, by the way, that

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it's not just the Vatican the b I s h

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there are other places that that are that apparently work

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this way. I didn't even know that until we went

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there on our pilgrimage. Does anyone know about San Marino?

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So when we did our Orthodox pilgrimage in twenty twenty three,

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we went to San Marino, which is an independent Italian

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city state and this goes back to the Italian Republic

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days and so forth. And apparently the way this works

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is that it's a place where most of the population

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only lives there half of the year, and it's really

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kind of eerie when you go there because it's up

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on top of a mountain and there's a lot of

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Masonic stuff everywhere. Literally, it's the first quote Communist Republic.

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Let me show you what I'm talking about here, And

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it's named after this monk oop by the way, is

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holding like a hammer and chisel, so it's like a

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Masonic monk thing because he was This has a stone

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Mason connection, and that's how it relates to Freemasonry and

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the mafia. Somewhere in here, because I remember reading this

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when we were there, that it's the first communist government

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I think in the world. There's somewhere in here where

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it says that first communist socialist constitution. Yes, In nineteen

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forty five, San Marino became the world's first country to

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democratically elect a communist led government, a coalition of socialists

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that ruled until nineteen fifty seven together with the Committee

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of Freedom. The coalition was a left ring coalition with

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the Simarinese Communist Party. Now what's interesting is that this

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place functions as a international It has separate laws as

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a city state from the Italian government. So for example,

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you can actually buy like guns and crossbows in San Marino,

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which are illegal in the rest of Italy. But that's

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nothing compared to the fact that actually San Marino is

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I would suspect a hub of international money, criminal stuff,

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precisely because it's one of these independent city states that's

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not related to the rest of the country. I is

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jay homosexual. Yes, I am a homosexual, married man. He says,

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hello from tel Aviv. This man is gay. So that

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that's what the Tel Aviv people are having to say here,

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is that yes, anybody talking. Tel Aviv is the gay

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capital of the world. But I'm a gay dude. Sure

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you guys have seen my beautiful wife. But that's all

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they have. That's all they have, the Roman Catholics and

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the tel Avivians together. It's the only insult they have. Chunch,

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what's up, Chunch?

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Speaker 4: I'm I don't understand why you would wait all that

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time and then not talk.

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Speaker 1: Kenzo the Buddha, what's up? We got the actual enlightened

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the Buddha here with us financial crimes. Mafia grips utilize

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San Marino as a front for money. Lenner, Dude, what's up?

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Can you guys hear me? Okay, yeah, you're really loud.

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What's up? Let me step outside it for a second.

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So I've worked on murder cases.

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Speaker 5: Before I worked at I was going to be an attorney,

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So I'll just bring this kind of to the forefront.

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Are you guys familiar with Power Versus Force? The Hitdden

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Determined That Into Behind Human Behavior and Anatomy Unconsciousness by

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doctor David HARTA.

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Speaker 1: Hawkins.

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Speaker 5: No, okay, so it's a very powerful book. Basically, as

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most people know that have studied quantum physics, that the

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universe is conscious. So I'll kind of give you an

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example on how this can be used in multiple ways

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by everybody listening, so that way they know from their

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own self the truth of Jeffrey Epstein being alive.

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Speaker 3: I know you guys were reviewing that AI photo.

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Speaker 1: We're not doing new age retarded bullshit today. Jack. What's up, Hey, Jay?

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Speaker 6: How's it going.

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Speaker 1: One thing I studied.

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Speaker 3: I was a physics major at a college in the

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United States that did the first X ray in the

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Western hemisphere. I studied quantum physics for multiple semesters. This

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guy is a total moron, and I'm sick of hearing

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this nonsense. One thing, I kind of wanted to go

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back to Epstein, and if you don't want to do that,

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you know, go to somebody else. But my uncle's best

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friends was one guy named the White Rhino and the

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other one was Nicholas Tartaglioni. So if you look up

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White Rhino and Nick tartagli and FBI, you should see

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the articles about them. That's how Epstein's cellmate ended up

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in prison. One thing I will say is that you're

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totally right about a maximum security prison. There's absolutely no

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way from what I've heard from family members that you

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would be able to kill yourself. It's it's comical, and

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it goes back to I guess what was said.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not me. I don't know anything about super

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maxis thank god, it's Sammy the Bowl from his time

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at Epstein's Supermax.

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Speaker 3: And those were amazing interviews. And I think you're totally right.

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I'm Jay honestly. The fact that you've been ahead of

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the curve and been in the years of people like

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Sam Hyde and Alex Jones for years that and you

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only have I mean, you've done tremendous work, and I

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want to thank you to listen to you for a while.

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One thing I want to ask you, though, and I

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don't want to battle here, I want to get your

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thoughts on this. So, since Epstein was an agent, as

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you've clearly demonstrated, and there were people above him, why

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was Epstein finally arrested the first time? Why was he

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finally why was he arrested the second time? Why was

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he murdered or allowed to escape?

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Speaker 1: Or was his useful life exhausted?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: Was it something more sinister? And I guess when I'm

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wondering if you consider the fact that we got the

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documents with enough parts unredacted for us to be confused

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and yelling and angry at people. But there were just

470
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enough things that were redacted that we weren't able to prosecute,

471
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or we.

472
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Speaker 1: Weren't able to really put our foot down on people.

473
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And I and I just wanted to.

474
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Speaker 3: I mean, we really can, but it's just not it's

475
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,000
not overt enough, it's.

476
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,279
Speaker 1: Quite it's somewhat oblique. And I guess.

477
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Speaker 3: Is, do you think that potentially the intent here is

478
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:07,839
to so distrust and accelerate US fragmentation. And you have Trump,

479
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,880
who I think is at buffoon. Maybe people disagree. He's

480
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,599
the fall guy. He's the guy that's going to preside

481
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,440
over tremendous cataclysm in this country. Potentially, maybe I'm wrong,

482
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:23,920
maybe I'm catastrophizing, but he's the perfect individual that is

483
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,279
too stupid to address things on their face and to

484
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:29,200
just incriminate himself and make himself look like an idiot.

485
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:31,640
I mean, he's lost somebody like me that voted for

486
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:37,240
him twice. There's also that email that you covered on

487
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:40,000
your initial stream on this topic that I saw just

488
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:43,799
downloaded x again after several months I kind of go

489
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:45,920
in and out of this stuff, try to focus on

490
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,359
things I can control a little bit more. But I

491
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,720
actually anyway, there's that email where it talks about DROG

492
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:57,920
and you were like, what the hell is derog mean?

493
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:02,039
And my thought was that maybe it means like either

494
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,720
derogatory information. So it says, let's make a d ROG

495
00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:11,480
spreadsheet on Trump, Prince Andrew Clinton, William Barr, etc. They

496
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,760
go through all these names, and it's right after Epstein

497
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,039
kills himself and they immediately are compiling a spreadsheet of

498
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:20,079
people they wanted to associate with him. So I guess

499
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:24,400
my thought is is I couldn't explain why was he

500
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,119
finally arrested, why was he allowed to be suicided? And

501
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,880
then the only thing that I could think of is

502
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,320
is this being used as a tool? Is this being

503
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:39,159
used as something that is going to tarnish the leadership

504
00:34:39,159 --> 00:34:39,840
of this country?

505
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: I mean it could be. I think, you know, the

506
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early cases I did interview the first journalists to expose

507
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,360
and cover Epstein, Nick Bryant. In that interview is still

508
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,599
up fairly recent on my wall. I re shared it.

509
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,639
I mean, the reason he got arrested the first time

510
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,559
was that there were so many victim that so many

511
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:04,760
people abused by these operations that I think at a

512
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,199
certain point, local officials, local people were forced to do something.

513
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,840
You know. It was just there was so many victims

514
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:16,360
that it's very difficult to just constantly not do anything.

515
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,239
And also sometimes local police because they don't understand these

516
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,079
gigantic international networks very well. I mean, you saw, for example,

517
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:31,119
you know, Bannon as an educated journalist apparently not understanding

518
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,199
fractional reserve banking, and Epstein's having to explain it to him.

519
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:37,000
So it's like, I think a lot of times, perhaps

520
00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:45,599
the advantage of good hearted individual local law enforcement people

521
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:50,880
that might be a positive because they don't realize how

522
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,440
far this stuff goes up, and so they'll actually do

523
00:35:53,559 --> 00:35:56,559
some stuff. And then I think the corruption usually ends

524
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:59,519
up being at a very high level. Right, the more

525
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:01,599
the more it goes up, the more it's corrupt. So

526
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:04,599
that would be my guess as to why you had

527
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:12,760
the original arrests and prosecutions. And and also too, we

528
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,599
get and Lord Baltimore talked about this today. We get

529
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:22,159
the impression too that even amongst some of the Israeli elite,

530
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,840
there's quite a bit of not liking each other. So,

531
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,320
and that doesn't mean that there's not a Massad angle.

532
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,800
Obviously there is, but there might be people within Massad

533
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,679
that don't like Jeffrey Epstein, particularly Ari bin Minashi seems

534
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:44,239
to not like him. I think there's an email where

535
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,280
an Arianna to Rochald speaks like she doesn't really care

536
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,840
for Nun Yahoo. That doesn't make Nun Yahoo a good guy.

537
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,280
Just means that you can have criminals not like each

538
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,400
other and try to screw each other over, right, So

539
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,639
there could be an angle too to where certain people

540
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:03,679
didn't like Epstein, certain people thought it would be good

541
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:18,559
to burn him. So that's another possibility. But count eight,

542
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:24,519
what's up? What's up? Everybody? We got about eighteen hundred

543
00:37:24,519 --> 00:37:29,000
a minute ago, so this week was pretty pretty packed.

544
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,800
We had consistently two point five thousand live all week

545
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:36,719
and twenty to twenty five thousand live tuned in total.

546
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,039
I mean, obviously they get more views afterwards. We're getting

547
00:37:40,079 --> 00:37:42,239
up forty fifty thousand views on a lot of the shows.

548
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:48,880
But what's up man? Hey, Jay, do you hear me? Okay?

549
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:53,639
Speaker 7: So a lot of us like they're not specially hurst

550
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:58,679
in geopolitics, or economy of that kind of stuff, especially

551
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:04,719
before seeing this Epstein file release and after watching the

552
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,519
the Epstein Banding interview. I don't know if he was

553
00:38:07,519 --> 00:38:10,840
bullshitting or he was talking seriously the whole time, but

554
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:15,400
we had an image of these high profile elites, like

555
00:38:15,519 --> 00:38:22,480
those high level influential personalities as some ultra sophisticated high

556
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:29,719
IQ I mean, high discipline people. But what the saga

557
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:36,440
just shows, in my opinion, is that those elite power circles,

558
00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:43,840
it's just actually their willingness to discard ethics and through blackmail, exploitation,

559
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,920
that kind of stuff, that's what gives them an edge

560
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:50,559
rather than spurrior intelligence or sophistication.

561
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't get the impression that Epstein is actually

562
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,760
a great intellectual. He just seems to be very adapt

563
00:38:55,880 --> 00:39:04,920
at organizing, facilitating, networking, bullshitting, yapping. You know, even in

564
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,320
this in this Bannon interview, it's a lot of yapping,

565
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,360
and it's it's a lot of words, and it's a

566
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,400
lot of you know, citing things to sound smart.

567
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:13,679
Speaker 5: Uh.

568
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: You know, he starts talking about Leibnitz and Leibnanz's philosophy,

569
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,360
and I don't think he really understands a lot of philosophy,

570
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,559
but it sounds you know, really really high Q high

571
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:27,480
i Q high tiered to noormies. But like you're saying,

572
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,960
what he does have a very adept understanding of is

573
00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:36,159
criminal networks and organizing organizing crime. That's what he is

574
00:39:36,519 --> 00:39:39,639
very good at that. He's that he seems to excel at.

575
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,880
And he wouldn't excel at that. I mean, he wouldn't

576
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,079
be put into the Trilateral Commission position according to the

577
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:49,440
first twenty minutes, as he says by David Rockefeller, if

578
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,280
he wasn't good at that, What does that tell you

579
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,559
about the trial? Louteral, this is high level criminals, high

580
00:39:54,599 --> 00:40:00,519
level conman exactly. They're professional grifters, but not just like

581
00:40:01,159 --> 00:40:07,199
you know Instagram influencer grifters, like high level blackmail, uh,

582
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:12,800
you know, almost blowfeld types. M.

583
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Speaker 7: Also, what's striking is a also it's not just not

584
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:23,920
specially high IQ. It's also a striking like absence of

585
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,800
self discipline. I mean, they cannot get themselves to not

586
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:27,639
be bds.

587
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:28,079
Speaker 1: Let's it.

588
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 7: Or they're just Also they believe in a lot of

589
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:35,880
low tear spiritual stuff.

590
00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:39,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's like New age kabalistic gibbergras is

591
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:43,239
what he says. Yeah, I mean Apstein doesn't really sound

592
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,559
any different than like an Instagram yoga chick. Like the

593
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,920
stuff he says is like the same level of that

594
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,880
kind of stuff. So it's not like he's this, you know,

595
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:56,440
savant like you know, polymath or something like maybe he did.

596
00:40:56,519 --> 00:40:58,840
I don't really know how well he knows mathematics. Haven't

597
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,639
looked into that, but I can tell you from philosophy

598
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,679
that it's it's a very because he wants to play

599
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,360
in this interview like he's like really deep into philosophy,

600
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,239
and it's like it's kind of it's really just normy

601
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:15,400
level stuff. It's not. I mean, it's like sounds like

602
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,719
a sophomore year philosophy student, is what it sounds like. So,

603
00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:24,199
but I mean, you can be a kind of a

604
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:30,079
Blowfeld and be very good at criminal organization. I would

605
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,360
say he's kind of a he's an evil genius at

606
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,480
criminal organization. I don't know about mathematics or anything else,

607
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:41,280
but that's where he did seem to excel. Puny, what's up,

608
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:52,719
what's up?

609
00:41:54,159 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: How's it going clean?

610
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,559
Speaker 8: So my question is it quickly essentially, you have a

611
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:02,199
background in kademia, right, and you have plenty of years

612
00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:05,519
of studying and have a progress with whatever you've been

613
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:08,000
doing in terms of your studies as somebody like me

614
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:11,119
who is just a you know, full time worker and

615
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:12,639
then I go home to a family and everything like

616
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:14,519
that kind of cut off TV. I've been reading you

617
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:16,599
know that way. I don't speak so good, but I've

618
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:20,000
been trying to just really you know, expedite you know,

619
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,400
my studies and stuff like that. Would you recommend in

620
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,159
terms of finding maybe mentors or lectures and or just

621
00:42:26,159 --> 00:42:29,679
study in general sent academia's compromised nowadays, that's pretty much ye.

622
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it really kind of depends on what you

623
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:37,880
find interesting. So it sounds like you're saying your time

624
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,480
is limited, so you don't have a lot of time

625
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,800
necessarily to like study five different subjects. You know, if

626
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,679
you go to college or if you go to grad school,

627
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,440
you're going to be learning. If you do the arts,

628
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,880
you're going to study English, you're gonna study you're gonna

629
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,920
study history, you're going to study philosophy. So it's quite

630
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:57,639
a broad spectrum that you would do in the classical

631
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,920
education model. So I would say you get a book

632
00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:04,239
like the Quadrivium. That's a good book that ties a

633
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,840
lot of the disciplines together. It's a little square book

634
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,679
called Quadrivium. That's a good one to have. I would read,

635
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,760
you know, basics of philosophy, like Plato's Apology, Plato's dialogues.

636
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,000
Read some of those to get a feel for philosophy.

637
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,079
You could also get my philosophy course, which is in

638
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:27,079
the show description. It's a full twelve lecture kind of

639
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:31,039
masterclass course, twenty four hours plus of lectures, including guest

640
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:34,400
PhDs to come on and discuss the subjects. But I

641
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,159
got through the whole history of Western philosophy from the

642
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:39,000
Prestocratics all the way up to Nietzsche and Postmodernism. So

643
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,559
I would say, you know, that kind of stuff is

644
00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:45,000
very helpful. Professor's lectures are very helpful. You could watch

645
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:49,800
Father deconductor Antonius's lectures at Patristic Faith. And then for

646
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,199
like geopolitical stuff. I mean, I do have a whole

647
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:56,320
series on my channel of writings of the Elite, and

648
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,559
you know we've gone through probably fifty sixty seventy of

649
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:01,320
those texts over the years. Over the last ten years,

650
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:04,880
I would say, be familiar with Tragian hope. That's a

651
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:08,880
great text for understanding geopolitics. You could get my Ester

652
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:11,679
Hollywood books to you know, tying in the geopolitical side

653
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:15,239
to movies. You could get Whitney Webb's book volume two

654
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:20,159
on Epstein and Maxwell. That's a really timely relevant one

655
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:24,760
right now. So those are good places to start. But

656
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,440
really it kind of also depends on your own personal interest.

657
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:31,480
You might not be interested in all of those topics. Milow,

658
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:33,559
And this is not the big Milow.

659
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 9: Would you be down for a tech question, quick tech question?

660
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: Sure? Sure.

661
00:44:41,679 --> 00:44:45,519
Speaker 9: So the texologism goes like this, right, if X is

662
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:50,519
necessary for why to exist and way exist, then therefore exists.

663
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,039
Speaker 1: Right. Well, I don't know that it necessarily necessarily needs

664
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:58,079
to bring in existence. It's just necessary condition. So I

665
00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:02,599
mean some for some forms of logic remove the existential

666
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:07,679
element or the ontological quantifiers. So for example, X is

667
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,519
the necessary condition of why why they'refore x and that

668
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:16,599
doesn't have any ontological weight kind of built into it.

669
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Speaker 9: Okay, perfect, And one of those transcendental categories is logic, right.

670
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: I would say logic is a necessary condition for knowledge.

671
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:30,639
So yes, I would say you'd have.

672
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 9: To say, yeah, and seeing some of your debates, I

673
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:40,280
don't know if I got this right, but I kind

674
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,679
of understood that the only thing that could make logic,

675
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,079
like from your position, the only thing that could make

676
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:50,159
logic possible is got s existence.

677
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,639
Speaker 1: Right, ultimately a divine mind.

678
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:57,119
Speaker 9: Yes, okay, so it wouldn't be possible. And for example,

679
00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:03,960
and a purely just empirical world view worldview, right.

680
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,679
Speaker 1: Well, empiris is about to do a theory of knowledge.

681
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:10,320
But I would say, like an atheistic materialist worldview, that's

682
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,519
an empiricist you know, focused worldview. Yeah, I don't think

683
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:18,880
they could give a justification for universal, abstract, invariant categories

684
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,000
or things like logic.

685
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:27,559
Speaker 9: Okay, So here's my question. So you're saying, like I

686
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:32,360
don't get like I know that it like logic can't

687
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:39,519
be grounded like in a purely empirical view, because it

688
00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:42,280
would like pre suppose that you know everything and you

689
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,239
don't know you know that every single thing doesn't contradict

690
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,079
logic in any way, right, But it doesn't mean that

691
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:54,559
logic is not possible, you know, Like, I don't know

692
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:58,199
if you understood what what I'm trying to say.

693
00:46:58,360 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: No, I'm not following you there can you can you

694
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,960
clarify that? What do you mean? Sure?

695
00:47:02,159 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 9: So, from a purely empirical view, it wouldn't be possible

696
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,760
to ground logic because that would presuppose you being able

697
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,079
to know every single thing.

698
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: And no, I say, yeah, so basically, right so, basically

699
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:23,920
because right so, because logic has this universal quality about

700
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,480
it for it to work, right, we don't We can't

701
00:47:26,519 --> 00:47:29,000
have a we can't have a world where Okay, everything

702
00:47:29,039 --> 00:47:31,760
on Earth is logical, but if you go under the Earth,

703
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,800
there's no logic down there, right, So it has to

704
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,559
be universal at all times in all places, and if

705
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:42,719
you're an empiricist, there's no way to justify any universal claim. Yeah,

706
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:43,719
so here's my question.

707
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 9: Uh yeah, I know that it can't be grounded or justified,

708
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:51,159
but like, does that mean that it is impossible?

709
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:53,519
Speaker 1: Say that again?

710
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 9: So I know that it can't be grounded, but I

711
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,519
don't know if if it not being able to be crowned,

712
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,599
it means therefore that it doesn't exist, Like maybe you

713
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,199
can exist, okay, but.

714
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,559
Speaker 1: The problem is that there's like, well what that would mean.

715
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:12,960
What that would mean is that there's no good reason

716
00:48:13,039 --> 00:48:15,639
to believe it. So if you give up grounding or

717
00:48:15,679 --> 00:48:18,239
the necessity to give an account for to justify it.

718
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,840
There's no good reason to believe it. So if there's

719
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,400
no good reason to believe it, then there's no good

720
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,000
reason to believe it, or it's opposite or any other position.

721
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:28,840
So it really undercuts the whole point of saying, well,

722
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,679
maybe it just is the case, but we can't know it. Okay,

723
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,559
Well then it's kind of worthless to bring it up

724
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:35,000
in a debate at that point. I'm not being dick.

725
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,920
I'm just saying that's that's how it goes. So I said,

726
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,440
Nick says he will do a massive Epstein stream. That's good.

727
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,480
I think it'd be good for him to get into

728
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,039
the information call attention to it. People could say, hey,

729
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:52,159
I've been covering it a NonStop all week in I

730
00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:54,760
think we're going on to our fifteenth or sixteenth hour

731
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,880
of live streaming the Epstein stuff here tonight. And also

732
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,400
to so you know, there's been a lot of kerfluffle

733
00:49:03,519 --> 00:49:10,960
to use sweet Candace's terminology kurfluffle kerf ruffle this week

734
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:18,599
over here on X with all of the the influencers

735
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:21,360
and face lords and commentators and whatnot. So I want

736
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:25,719
to make it clear that we responded to the you know,

737
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:29,199
the jokes that Nick makes and so forth. I'm going

738
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,800
to respond to jokes. That's fine. But again I want

739
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,760
to say, like, I don't have ill will towards Nick

740
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,199
Flint this. I'm not an enemy of Nick fuin this.

741
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:42,000
I've always been tried to be friendly, and you know,

742
00:49:42,039 --> 00:49:44,519
I want to see people flourish. I don't hate Candace,

743
00:49:44,599 --> 00:49:46,320
I don't hate any of the people. I want them

744
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,480
to do well. But I don't like to see people

745
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:54,079
get you know, deflected into bad ideas or whatever. So

746
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,280
you know, I appreciate, for example that when Nick was

747
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,320
on with Joel Webbin, he said, you know what, I

748
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,639
have to conceive that the papas he has gone in

749
00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:06,159
the wrong direction when it comes to immigration and some

750
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:08,840
of the stuff at Vatican too. So I appreciate Nick

751
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,519
conceding that. So, you know, that was one of the

752
00:50:11,559 --> 00:50:14,599
main critiques that I had. I would say, probably, I'm guessing,

753
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:17,239
I don't know, but if Nick gets into the information

754
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,440
and he looks at a lot of the information, you know,

755
00:50:21,159 --> 00:50:22,840
I hope he comes to this. I think we would

756
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,719
come to the same conclusions here. So I reached out

757
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,920
to some people and I said, hey, here's Olive Branch.

758
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,719
I realized that when the clips channels put up the

759
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,880
stuff months ago that were old f wind test debates,

760
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:44,000
because somebody super cheted Nick about that old debate, the

761
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,199
clips channels put the debate up. Somebody said, are you

762
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,360
going to debate Nick? I said, I will debate Nick.

763
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,079
I would like to have another debate. Nick took that

764
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:55,440
as an attack, and I can understand why he would

765
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,760
feel that way. So I apologize for giving the impression

766
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,480
that I trying to be aggressive or come at Nick.

767
00:51:02,599 --> 00:51:05,719
I know what it's like to feel like everybody's kind

768
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,239
of at your throat, everybody's trying to fight you and

769
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,360
disagree with you. So I apologize for giving the impression

770
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:15,039
that I wanted to be aggressive or something like that.

771
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,599
And people then say, well, you're only talking about this

772
00:51:17,679 --> 00:51:20,000
because you want to write his coat tails and you're jealous,

773
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:23,320
and look't Nick doesn't have to talk to me. We

774
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:24,920
don't have to have any kind of a I don't

775
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,079
need to ride his coat tails or anything like that.

776
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:31,239
I'm not trying to grift on Nick or any of that.

777
00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:34,679
I don't need any kind of public thing. I wish

778
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,599
Nick the best. If you would like to discuss these topics,

779
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:41,360
I'm more than happy to give a friendly explanation of

780
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:45,639
the positions. And you know, I don't have any ill will.

781
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,199
I want people to become orthodox. I want people to

782
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,760
give that a chance. I want people to hear what

783
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,880
we have to say, whether it's Candae, whether it's Nick.

784
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,320
And again, you know, most of the positions when it

785
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,440
comes to the geopolitical stuff that comes out, when it

786
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,719
comes to the information as it comes out, most of

787
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,960
the time we end up coming to the same conclusions

788
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:09,480
on a lot of things, maybe not everything, and a

789
00:52:09,519 --> 00:52:12,159
lot of things that Nick comes to. So you know,

790
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:18,079
when it comes to alignment, we tend to be geopolitically aligned.

791
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:21,960
And when he concedes those points on the Vatican and whatnot,

792
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:29,239
I think that's a strong point. Are we do the

793
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,000
stream cutout? Are we still hear it? Makeing sure it

794
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,800
looks like it am. I have just refreshed. So I

795
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,199
sent out some statements to mutual friends because I don't

796
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:43,639
actually have any direct flint test information, So I don't like,

797
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:45,639
I don't have his contact info or anything like that.

798
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,639
So I just told some friends that knew him and

799
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:49,920
I said, hey, reach out. I said it to Tim

800
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,239
Gordon as well. I said, look all the branch, I

801
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,639
don't want to fight with Nick Flint, Tess. I don't

802
00:52:56,159 --> 00:53:00,840
dislike Nick Flint this on any personal level. I did

803
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,840
say some things in DMS that I wish that he

804
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,880
hadn't said. But hopefully, you know, he understood that I

805
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,880
was explaining my situation as to why certain things in

806
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,199
certain outlets I don't talk about, like YouTube and so forth.

807
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:19,559
I did undergo quite a bit of deplatforming and persecution

808
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,360
as well for talking about these subjects. So I think

809
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,159
to cast it as if I don't talk about dangerous

810
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:28,679
things and I've never been persecuted. That's not true. So

811
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:31,920
but he may not be aware of the elements of

812
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,760
things that I've gone through. So I haven't made it

813
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,679
a big part of what we talk about over here.

814
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,800
When he says something about us, I do respond. So

815
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,599
I have responded in the last several months to I

816
00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:49,159
think five different times that he's brought me up. And look,

817
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,159
that's that's friendly, silly banter. So you know, if people

818
00:53:53,159 --> 00:53:54,440
can make fun of me, I don't see why I

819
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,480
can't make a joke back. But I think the merch

820
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:04,800
was a miss. I think the position on the conspiracy

821
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,559
hard stuff is a mistake. However he may have meant Candace,

822
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:10,840
So I would agree with Nick. I think Nick and

823
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,000
I have been on the very same page with Candace,

824
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,719
and a lot of stuff that Candace has said I

825
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:20,920
think is getting crazy. And really the only position that

826
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:27,280
I mainly disagree with was the Vatican take in regard

827
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,119
to the idea that well, the Roman Catholic Church has

828
00:54:31,159 --> 00:54:34,280
just kind of made some bad political positions. Well, the

829
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,440
problem with that is that the political positions reflect Gaudium

830
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,360
at Spez, which is part of Vatican two, and also

831
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,599
Noceritate and Lumigentium are Vatican two documents as well. So

832
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:48,840
like the theology and the geopolitics, they actually go together

833
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:51,840
because a lot of people don't realize like humanism is

834
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,320
a geopolitical movement as well, and that's what we see

835
00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:00,039
in the David Wimhoff text that we've covered. So so

836
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:05,800
there's my offering of you know, let's have a why

837
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,039
don't we have a what if we Here's what I

838
00:55:08,039 --> 00:55:12,360
think could work. And again I'm not saying this because

839
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:16,480
I'm trying to get attention. I would be happy to

840
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:18,880
have a private conversation that nobody hears. We could have

841
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:24,599
Tim Gordon there as well, other Catholics as well, So

842
00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:31,880
you know, I constantly try to explain that, like I

843
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,519
want to see people do well and flourish, and I

844
00:55:34,599 --> 00:55:36,559
try to give olid branches and then usually what I

845
00:55:36,599 --> 00:55:40,679
get in response is, you know, pretty rough things back.

846
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,039
So that kind of puts me then in a defensive mode. Again.

847
00:55:43,079 --> 00:55:48,159
It's like, well, all right, so every time you try to,

848
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:50,679
you know, offer an olive branch, it seems to get

849
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,480
you know, discarded. So you know, whatever, Look, I don't

850
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:57,960
want to like I've had the same message for ten years.

851
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:02,320
I tell everybody the same thing, So you know, that's

852
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:06,000
the best I can do. I guess, Dimitri, what's up.

853
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,360
I think that it's important for us as Orthodox to

854
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:23,280
do to handle all these situations the most in the

855
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,320
most righteous way, and so I don't go after people's

856
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,159
private drama. Never done that. I only talk about the

857
00:56:29,199 --> 00:56:32,920
issues where I disagree. I'm not going after I don't

858
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:38,360
talk about Elijah Shaeffer's issues and Sarah stocks issues. We

859
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,880
don't do personal drama over We stick to the topics

860
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,440
and the issues a lot of people do the drama streams.

861
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:47,440
I've never really done that, so I would think you

862
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,960
guys would have the people would appreciate that we only

863
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,719
talk about and specifically go against the issues of the

864
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,599
areas of disagreement. And I'm spurgery like that, Like I

865
00:56:57,599 --> 00:57:00,199
don't go after people's personal lives. Ever, we don't ever

866
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:01,239
do that. What's up? Man?

867
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:07,079
Speaker 8: Oh hey, I have a question, and you know I'm

868
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:09,679
a big fan of your show, and it's about what

869
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,159
do you saw something Donald Trump?

870
00:57:13,199 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I've always had pretty much the same position

871
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:17,840
about any politician. Uh you know, when they if they

872
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,719
ever rarely do something good, then I guess that's great.

873
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,719
Most of the time they don't. I mean, I've been

874
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,840
post politics for a long time. I never really had

875
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:35,119
a huge expectations, so I don't. I don't know what

876
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,760
people are looking for with that. I mean kind of

877
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,800
the same way I view Putin, Like I don't worship Putin.

878
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,960
If Putin does something good, that's great, but uh, trust

879
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,920
not in princes and sons of men. Scripture says, what's up?

880
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:51,760
I mean we sing that every time in the liturgy, right,

881
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,199
every liturgy is trust not in princes and sons of men?

882
00:57:54,239 --> 00:58:00,119
What's up? What's up? So I have a question. And

883
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,559
so regarding tech, so.

884
00:58:05,039 --> 00:58:09,400
Speaker 10: I watched the videos on tech to trinity and everything,

885
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,920
but I still don't get how that gets you to

886
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:16,480
the Bible and Christianity in specific.

887
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:21,159
Speaker 1: Okay, but the Bible in Christianity is the only religion

888
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:27,480
that even posits a personal triad. So what what other

889
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:30,440
what other trinity? What other personal triad trinity would it

890
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:37,719
get you to? Well, it could just be like in deism,

891
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:43,039
just like a generic Again, it's not Deism wouldn't work

892
00:58:43,079 --> 00:58:46,400
because deism wouldn't ground any of the universal categories because

893
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,960
deism is a religion where or it's a pseudo religion

894
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,079
is an atheistic position where you don't have any connection

895
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:54,360
to the deity. The deity is not related to this world.

896
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,119
So it wouldn't do any of the grounding work. Aiden,

897
00:58:56,199 --> 00:59:11,519
what's up? I'm you? Aiden? Do you hear me? Yeah?

898
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,679
There we go, It's okay. I gotta I have two

899
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:21,280
questions for you. The first one, I'm really curious if

900
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,119
you I think you would say that you at least

901
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:26,880
hope for I.

902
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 11: Personally believe that America will will will become Orthodox.

903
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: What do you think that looks like? Do you think

904
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:40,559
that will be you cut out? Man, I can't hear

905
00:59:40,559 --> 00:59:44,159
you kind of. I mean, we're a long time from that,

906
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,239
so I don't know what. I don't know what you

907
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:49,440
mean by what does that look like? I hope so JB.

908
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:51,599
Pild five dollars do did a great job. The internet

909
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,440
is spazzing out and this is a hot topic. Thank you.

910
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,480
You tell about Epstein? Ye, But John M. Pilton dollars,

911
00:59:57,519 --> 00:59:59,159
I'm a traditional Catholic. I'm sure you've been asked this

912
00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:01,159
many times. What is the straw that broke the camel's

913
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:06,079
back for you? As a traditional Catholic? Nick says he

914
01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:13,119
will do a super stream on Epstein. Well, there wasn't

915
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:14,960
like one thing, I think for me, you know, it

916
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,679
was a long it was a long journey. It took

917
01:00:17,719 --> 01:00:19,840
me a long time to come out of tradcatism because

918
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,880
I was I was really into it. I was wedded

919
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:27,159
to it for most of my twenties. I think the

920
01:00:27,199 --> 01:00:33,480
big the big thing was ultimately probably just if you read,

921
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,440
you know, the sixteen Papal Documents book from Tan Publishers,

922
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:41,519
and then you compare that to what is obviously not

923
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:44,360
just Vatican two, but the entire teaching of the papacy

924
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,199
and its magisterium since Vatican Two, there's just a mountain

925
01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:52,239
of contradictions. And I tried all the different routes for

926
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:57,440
many years to synthesize it, you know, the traditional reading,

927
01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:00,960
the reading of the hermonutic of continuity, and on and

928
01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:03,360
on on and and eventually, at the end of the day,

929
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,159
you just get to the point where you realize, Okay,

930
01:01:06,199 --> 01:01:09,960
even if I have all this criminutic of continuity that

931
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,679
tries to make it all work, or I try to

932
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:14,119
become a set of a contest and reconcile the system,

933
01:01:14,159 --> 01:01:16,880
and like, at the end of the day, the papacy

934
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:20,119
hates you. And once you kind of come to realization

935
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,599
that do the papacy doesn't want you or the trads

936
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:27,199
anywhere near Catholicism. They're ready for you to leave. I

937
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,360
was like, okay, I'm done being you know, a Stockholm

938
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:37,559
syndrome person like people that like don't like you or

939
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:40,079
don't like me. I'm not going to keep sucking up

940
01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:42,800
and being like, please like me, please like me. You know,

941
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,320
I'd give offers of all a branch and let's let's

942
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:49,239
not be enemies here, Let's try to talk it out.

943
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,239
Let's have a conversation, you know, let's say with Nick

944
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:53,559
or something like that. But I mean, at the end

945
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,039
of the day, like if people just I'm not going

946
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:57,039
to keep doing that. Like at a certain point, it's like,

947
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:00,079
all right, I've tried all of you know, everything I

948
01:02:00,159 --> 01:02:03,000
can do extended on my side. It's the same way

949
01:02:03,039 --> 01:02:06,719
with power structures too. It's like the power structure doesn't

950
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,159
want you there, Like, why are you fighting for people

951
01:02:10,159 --> 01:02:13,480
that hate you? It doesn't make any sense. Kim, what's up?

952
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,880
Goober gang? Twenty dollars? Jay? Would you debate Jacob Hanson?

953
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:25,280
I think we've asked that guy to call in many times.

954
01:02:26,239 --> 01:02:29,440
I don't know if he'll ever call in, But I mean,

955
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,440
I don't think we're going to get I mean maybe

956
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,880
down the road if there's some high profile podcasts to

957
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:41,760
do that or something. He claims that you won't debate him,

958
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,159
I don't. I don't know where he's getting that. What's up?

959
01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 12: Hey?

960
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:46,599
Speaker 1: Jay?

961
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 13: So I am I was born and raised Catholic, and I'm.

962
01:02:51,639 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 1: Have my mind made up. I want to convert to Orthodoxy.

963
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:56,960
There are two things that I.

964
01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 13: Don't know how to descend though, when I'm talking about

965
01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,800
other when I'm talking to other Catholics about Orthodoxy, and

966
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:09,719
I haven't found any videos that you do on it.

967
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:14,639
The first one is how not all of Orthodoxy agrees

968
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:20,760
on rebaptism, And then the second one is, I guess

969
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:25,159
just the issue of like how would the Orthodox Church

970
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:28,000
hold an ecumenical council.

971
01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, ecumenical councils aren't even necessary for

972
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,800
the church. There was no ecumenical council for three hundred

973
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,000
years of the church. So I mean those are kind

974
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,840
of like those are sort of Roman Catholic categories that

975
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:48,079
they sort of impose their system and say, well, when

976
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:50,920
are you going to have the you know, Roman Catholic

977
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:55,039
model operating? And then I'll you know, then I'll believe

978
01:03:55,079 --> 01:03:56,719
your system. And it's like, well, but we don't have

979
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,400
that system, so you have to understand it's a different system.

980
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,920
So so Father John Whiteford has a talk right here

981
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:08,119
that I would recommend with David Rhon and it's Baptism

982
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:10,400
and the Reception of Converts. It's a really good video

983
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:14,679
going through that topic. So Baptism and the Reception of

984
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:18,840
Converts Father John Whiteford and David Ahhun right there, okay,

985
01:04:19,639 --> 01:04:28,039
And then in regard to ecamenical councils, I would, I mean,

986
01:04:28,079 --> 01:04:31,920
we've covered that topic many, many times, but it's oftentimes

987
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:34,199
in these long livestreams, so I don't actually think of

988
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:38,000
a I can't think of a single live stream where

989
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:42,199
it's where it's necessarily covered as an issue. But I

990
01:04:42,239 --> 01:04:45,599
mean it's it's it's not really there orth like churches

991
01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:48,440
functioning like the church functions in the first thousand years.

992
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:52,800
So for example, there's many situations in the Roman Catholic

993
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,360
list of numbering that doesn't make any sense. Like even

994
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,760
in the Roman Catholic system they could say, well, we

995
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:00,920
have at least a way to have that medical councils

996
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:05,239
with the papacy. Their system itself doesn't have any coherent

997
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,119
way to list or explain ecumenical councils. For example, latter

998
01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:12,519
in six forty nine, by their reckoning, should be an

999
01:05:12,559 --> 01:05:15,159
ecumenical council, and it was supposed to be. It was

1000
01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:17,199
one of the first councils called by the pope and

1001
01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:20,239
not by an emperor. And even Roman Catholics don't list

1002
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,239
latter in six forty nine as an ecumenical Council. So

1003
01:05:23,639 --> 01:05:26,880
why would you have the six Econimical Council meeting in

1004
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,760
six eighty six to decide an issue which supposedly should

1005
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,760
have been already reconciled in six forty nine at the

1006
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,000
first latter in council. So like that doesn't make any

1007
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:40,760
sense in their reckoning. Plus, consider the fact that ecumenical

1008
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,280
councils from a Roman Catholic perspective, according to Vatican One,

1009
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,760
are subservient to the papacy. And yet we have at

1010
01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:51,599
the Council of Constance a unicumenical council above the papacy

1011
01:05:51,679 --> 01:05:54,719
because it's the council that decides which pope is the

1012
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,480
true pope when there's three rival popes during the Great

1013
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,960
Western Schism, So which one is it? Is the pope

1014
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:03,920
Abova council or is he subservient to it? Well, what

1015
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:06,039
this shows you is that we'll clearly the papacy then

1016
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:10,639
is an evolving doctrinal development position. But that means that

1017
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,079
if it evolved and developed, then Vatican one is not

1018
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:15,079
true because it claims that it was always the case.

1019
01:06:15,519 --> 01:06:18,880
So over and over and over we see that their

1020
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,400
expectation for us is something that their system doesn't offer

1021
01:06:24,519 --> 01:06:29,960
even make sense of and why would we expect that

1022
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,480
there has to be ecumenical councils when there is no

1023
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:41,840
eikumene or imperium. Furthermore, post eighth ecumenical Council, we have

1024
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,880
universally accepted in the entire world of Orthodoxy is the

1025
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:50,760
ninth Council, which is the Palamite Synods. So there have

1026
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:57,880
been pan Orthodox accepted teachings and councils in Dogmas post

1027
01:06:58,719 --> 01:07:15,400
even eighth Council. Jack, what's up? Uh? Yeah, thanks, thanks

1028
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:18,599
for giving me another shot here. I actually do want

1029
01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:22,119
to talk about this. I am a you call me

1030
01:07:22,159 --> 01:07:24,000
a trad cap I frankly.

1031
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 3: I just come from an atheist family and I'm just

1032
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,360
trying to follow my way to Jesus Christ and that's

1033
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:31,800
gone through the Catholic Church.

1034
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,400
Speaker 1: So uh, you called me a troll.

1035
01:07:34,159 --> 01:07:36,119
Speaker 3: One time when when I called it on a debate

1036
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,280
several months ago. But I just want to ask you

1037
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,039
a couple like a pointed just just really one pointing

1038
01:07:42,159 --> 01:07:48,599
question about this. To Kin's point, when like you, you

1039
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:54,079
see things like contraception, the fact that from what I

1040
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:59,760
can see, that's not universally opposed in the.

1041
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:00,599
Speaker 1: Worth doc church.

1042
01:08:00,639 --> 01:08:04,159
Speaker 3: There are instances in which it is relegated to preests

1043
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:04,960
from what I understand.

1044
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,599
Speaker 1: Correct, have you have you seen have you seen have

1045
01:08:08,679 --> 01:08:14,760
you seen Ubi's documentary? Yeah? Did you watch Ubi's documentary

1046
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:15,320
on this topic?

1047
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:17,520
Speaker 3: I did not.

1048
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,920
Speaker 1: Can you can you blink me to it? Or yeah?

1049
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,560
So Ubi Patris in the chat. Yeah, we've already covered

1050
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:27,000
this one hundred times, Ubi Patris. That's why we did

1051
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,359
two different videos on this two different documentars, a documentary

1052
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:35,560
and a interview with doctor Bradshaw on this topic.

1053
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:41,159
Speaker 4: You understand, did the page I'm not.

1054
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:43,159
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be combative or anything.

1055
01:08:43,159 --> 01:08:45,399
Speaker 3: I'm just genuinely curious if you could give me the

1056
01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:46,279
spark notes here.

1057
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:50,199
Speaker 1: But well, that's why we made this documentary. Sounds good,

1058
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:54,600
all right? I what are some what are some other issues?

1059
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,479
So it's right here. One of them is it's called

1060
01:08:56,560 --> 01:09:01,079
contraception n FP and humana vita. This is one of

1061
01:09:01,119 --> 01:09:03,079
the videos. And then the other one is I think

1062
01:09:03,119 --> 01:09:05,960
it's called divorce and remarriage, but it also gets into

1063
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:07,960
what you're referring to here. It is divorce and re

1064
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:12,479
marriage in the early Church fathers. So there's two different ones,

1065
01:09:13,399 --> 01:09:18,359
contraception and then divorce and remarriage. Why did the papacy

1066
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:20,079
accept the Basilian Canons?

1067
01:09:24,079 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 3: Jack, Oh, well, listen, I'm not super well versed on

1068
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:30,119
these things.

1069
01:09:30,359 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 1: I'm not going to speak out of turn here. I

1070
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,840
don't even know what those are. No, So, the Canons

1071
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:38,039
of Saint Basil, the Canons of Saint Basil are the

1072
01:09:38,119 --> 01:09:43,359
Eastern normative canon law for many centuries. Rome had no

1073
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:47,279
problem with the Basilian Canons, the Canons of Saint Basil,

1074
01:09:47,319 --> 01:09:53,960
and they allow for certain circumstances like fornication for there

1075
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,560
to be remarriage. And by the way, UBI also shows

1076
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:03,199
examples of popes per divorce and remarriage in the first

1077
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:10,119
thousand years. And so it's just it becomes a really annoying,

1078
01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:13,479
just moral want to be trump card that you guys

1079
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:21,680
don't actually have. Well, what's up, Hey, Jay, what's up?

1080
01:10:23,159 --> 01:10:23,880
What's your question?

1081
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:25,640
Speaker 14: Hey Jay?

1082
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 12: I've seriously been enjoying the streams this past week or so,

1083
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:39,079
especially the one when Epstein's trying to figure out how

1084
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:43,520
to get the kosher pig kosher pigs.

1085
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:48,399
Speaker 1: That one was hilarious. One. I wanted to.

1086
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:55,079
Speaker 12: Know if you have heard or seen any evangelical leaders

1087
01:10:55,279 --> 01:10:59,560
mentioned in the files or corresponding with Epstein A really

1088
01:10:59,560 --> 01:10:59,960
good question.

1089
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:02,399
Speaker 1: Should not. I don't even know if anybody's even thought

1090
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,399
to look at that, but they should. That's a great question,

1091
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:06,000
really good.

1092
01:11:06,039 --> 01:11:10,199
Speaker 12: Well one one one name comes to mind, Jerry Folwell

1093
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:15,319
as a as a Liberty UNI as a Liberty University

1094
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:21,399
student myself. That really does interest me. I know that

1095
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,359
he was down in Miami a lot. That's where he

1096
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:30,560
met his wife's boyfriend. And it just it would not

1097
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:37,520
surprise me him being in that upper echelon of of society.

1098
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,600
Interested to know if if, if his or any other

1099
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:46,560
big names are mentioned. Uh. I did have another thing

1100
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:50,079
I wanted to mention, and it was a caller that

1101
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:53,119
called in either earlier this week or later last week,

1102
01:11:53,159 --> 01:12:00,600
and that one my question revolves around the forthcoming Bethels scandal.

1103
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: Uh that has has recently. Yes, I don't uh like

1104
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,399
Mike Winger at all. I don't know anything about Mike

1105
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,680
Winger other than that people are saying that he is

1106
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:17,880
covering this well, which I don't even know what this is. Uh,

1107
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,359
he did a five hour live stream.

1108
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:26,600
Speaker 12: Yeah, he's he's clearly a goober. But you know, bethel

1109
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:34,199
Is is a is the powerhouse for pumping out the

1110
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:39,319
trancelike worship songs that a ton of churches around the

1111
01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:41,399
world use, especially in the US.

1112
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 1: Okay, even if they.

1113
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,119
Speaker 12: Don't subscribe to the charismatic thing?

1114
01:12:45,279 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: Okay? Can can somebody give me the the t L

1115
01:12:48,119 --> 01:12:50,159
d R. I don't I'm not going to watch a

1116
01:12:50,239 --> 01:12:53,279
five hour Mike Winger stream. What's the basic idea?

1117
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:57,119
Speaker 12: Well, as far as I know, it revolves around a

1118
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,960
profit type guy that.

1119
01:13:01,239 --> 01:13:05,159
Speaker 1: It's already off to a bad start, so I know.

1120
01:13:05,319 --> 01:13:10,399
Speaker 12: Right, yeah, But he was endorsed by Bill Johnson, who

1121
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:17,720
I believe uh knew of his you know, uh Shenanigans?

1122
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,439
Speaker 1: And and who and who is who is Bill Johnson?

1123
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:24,720
Help me understand? Who's Bill Johnson? I don't know these names?

1124
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:25,520
Who are these people?

1125
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,560
Speaker 12: Bill Johnson is like top man at Bethel Okay?

1126
01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:32,560
Speaker 1: And and and is this a megachurch or like a

1127
01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:36,039
megachurch that makes music like Hillsong or what exactly is it?

1128
01:13:36,119 --> 01:13:36,359
Speaker 5: Oh?

1129
01:13:36,399 --> 01:13:36,600
Speaker 15: Oh?

1130
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 12: Bethel is identical to Hillsong in that they're an international,

1131
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:52,399
multi campus uh charismatic, crazy cult church. But the majority,

1132
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:57,640
I mean a ton of evangelical churches of all denominations

1133
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:01,920
have to subscribe to be able to play their music

1134
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:07,640
in their churches. On top of that, they have like

1135
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:09,399
a college of some sort.

1136
01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:12,399
Speaker 1: You don't get a degree, you.

1137
01:14:12,319 --> 01:14:17,039
Speaker 12: Get a certificate, and supposedly, by the time you graduate,

1138
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:22,439
you'll be able to do all of these superhuman feats

1139
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:26,560
like praying people back to life, praying people, you know,

1140
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:30,840
to have cancer cured, and what have you. But anyway,

1141
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:38,920
Bill Johnson has he has supported this profit type guy

1142
01:14:39,039 --> 01:14:45,479
who is a sexual deviate under you know, under the surface.

1143
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:46,079
Speaker 1: But he's a prophet.

1144
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:51,119
Speaker 12: Suppose yeah, he's a prophet's he was. He was brought

1145
01:14:51,159 --> 01:14:55,880
around to different conferences that Bethel would put on. He'd

1146
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:02,000
come and visit different campuses that Beth has, you know,

1147
01:15:02,399 --> 01:15:05,279
like a paid to play type of guy. But he

1148
01:15:05,319 --> 01:15:10,279
would prophesy over people that were in the crowd, and

1149
01:15:11,239 --> 01:15:18,119
all his prophecies revolved around was easily accessible information on

1150
01:15:18,319 --> 01:15:21,399
people that he knew were in the crowd, So he'd

1151
01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:25,720
go on their facebooks, he'd go on their instagrams. He'd

1152
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,880
scrape up some corny info from that and then use

1153
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:37,439
that in his you know, live prophesying at these events.

1154
01:15:37,479 --> 01:15:38,319
Speaker 16: On top of.

1155
01:15:40,319 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 12: Like being a sexual deb.

1156
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:45,159
Speaker 1: Wow, well, you know, it's almost always these sort of

1157
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:49,359
like so called profits that it's like like Joseph Smith

1158
01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:51,960
or that are just like in some kind of crazy

1159
01:15:52,039 --> 01:15:58,039
sex goal. So no shocker there, Archer. What's up, man, Okay,

1160
01:15:58,079 --> 01:15:59,640
what's up? What's on your mind?

1161
01:16:01,159 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 3: What's on the line is.

1162
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: The Epstein files.

1163
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:06,279
Speaker 11: I mean, I saw you retweeted a couple of things,

1164
01:16:06,399 --> 01:16:07,359
and it kind of seems.

1165
01:16:07,079 --> 01:16:10,199
Speaker 1: Like you're, I guess, pushing this.

1166
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Speaker 11: I mean, there's a lot of misinformation and franking, fake bullshit,

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and I saw you repost a few of them, which

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doesn't really feel intellectually rigorous.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I could have made him. I could

1170
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:22,760
have made a mistake. Sure which one did I mess

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01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,359
up on? Well, there's a few.

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Speaker 11: I mean, like, well, most of the stuff that's going

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on Twitter is is this when it's the screenshots and stuff.

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But for example, the picture of Jeffrey Epstein has the

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little girl on his lap and he's sitting with a

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01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:39,039
Duban guy, Glenn Dubin. That's literally his daughter, that's Jeffrey

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Epstein's goddaughter. And then everyone made this insinuation that he's

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like raping this little girl.

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Speaker 1: It's absurd. Okay, I don't even think I shared that photo.

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I may have. I may have, but then then there

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was the other one of them. Well, first of all,

1182
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that is still a suspect, because what do you mean, like, like,

1183
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,359
anybody bringing their children to that guy is immediately suspect.

1184
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So why would that be dis info? Even that?

1185
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Speaker 11: Okay, well it's his goddaughter friends with Glenn Dubin, So

1186
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Glenn Duben will.

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Speaker 1: Bring his daughter around. Well, so these people don't know

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who this person is, and like, who would bring who

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would bring your children around this guy?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, okay, sure, but that doesn't really matter

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when they're friends.

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Speaker 13: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Like that, No, it absolutely doesn't matter. In fact that

1195
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their friends makes it even worse. What are you talking about?

1196
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:28,920
Your trolling? What do you trolling? Get out of here, dude,

1197
01:17:28,920 --> 01:17:31,960
fuck you trash. See this is he thinks that's funny

1198
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to cover up for Epstein. He thinks that's funny. Intellectually rigorous. Yeah,

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what would you what would be revealed or happen in

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the world for your worldview to be incorrect? Faraden says

1201
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:52,399
for five dollars, well done with these emails. You seem

1202
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:56,720
to be the one covering it. Uh, I mean I

1203
01:17:56,760 --> 01:18:01,439
think that if anybody's worldview would be undone if there's

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a fundamental, like paradigm level contradiction. So but I mean,

1205
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I don't see how that could be given the I mean,

1206
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that's really what we hinge our world view on. So

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what's up, Hi? How you doing? I have a question

1208
01:18:22,279 --> 01:18:26,960
for you? Yeah, That's why I said, yeah, what's up?

1209
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She right? I'm sorry.

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Speaker 17: So are you aware of the stream that Ben did

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yesterday about the couplistic roots and Protestantism.

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Speaker 1: I have heard Anthony Westgate's take on some of that,

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and I do already separate from I think Anthey and

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I did a I think we did a podcast on

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that one time too, so I'm familiar. I did not

1216
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hear their stream, but I know this material somewhat well, gotcha.

1217
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Speaker 17: I just wanted to get your opinion on that because

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I thought I had a lot of roots with Memorialism,

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just because.

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Speaker 1: I think you you can vindicate.

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Speaker 17: It a lot and a lot of times people just

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kind of underestimate your opinion and then you know, ten

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fifteen years later down.

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Speaker 1: The line, what did you say? Just turn this to

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be true?

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Speaker 17: So I just wanted to see if you had any

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opinions about those two or well related what to be Yeah,

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with narcissism and memorialism in the Eucharist.

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Speaker 1: With Protestant oh, I don't. I mean there probably is.

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I mean, definitely there's a connection between just the anti

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sacramental approach of Protestantism and the idea of gnosticism that

1232
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it's anti material, it's anti sacramental. So that's true. But

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exactly how you trace that lineage. I mean, you could

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argue that like Luther and Calvin had perhaps Gnostic influence.

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I mean, Luther was influenced by the Theologia Germanica, which

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has Gnostic influence, but Luther is still believe in the

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real press, so it's not exactly gnostic. But also the

1238
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second generation Lutherans like Johann Andre were it appears into Rosicrucianism.

1239
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So I would say that's the case, but I don't know.

1240
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So the strict memorials memorialist view is like the counter Reformation,

1241
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and that's a whole bunch of kind of weirdos. And

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I don't know, I mean, excuse me, radical Reformation. I

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don't know who in the Radical Reformation would be the

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most influential and influenced by gnosticism. So probably there is

1245
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an academic work out there that demonstrates that, but I

1246
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just don't know off the top of my head, An Schultz.

1247
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I mean imagine calling in and like thinking it's funny

1248
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to defend Jeff Say mcguffrey, Like I just like this,

1249
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:02,960
so weird. What's up, man, Hey man, what's a great stream?

1250
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Speaker 18: I got a question for you about kind of the

1251
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,159
argument you use to defeat Protestants when it comes to

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the cande of scripture. I'm wondering how you integrate that

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into the Old Testament because I've been encountering some people

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who say, well, there wasn't a church, there wasn't a

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formalized canon or epistemic principle.

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Speaker 1: Of the church. Yeah, but what there was in the

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Old Testament. We already dealt with this objection in the

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Dale the Protestant debate. So if you watch me and

1259
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doctor Branson debate Dale the Protestant, I think Dale brings

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up this for some version of this kind of an argument.

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And doctor Branson, who really specializes in part in this

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area with how a second Temple, Judaism and earlier functioned.

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They had normative authorities in the levitical courts, so it

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wasn't a sol scripture issue. You didn't just read the

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scrolls and interpret them for yourselves. In fact, the priest

1266
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and levite had the authority to interpret and make judgments

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on the basis of the law. So this is actually

1268
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worse for the Protestant to try to go to the

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Old Testament as a proof of soul scapturro when it's

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in fact the opposite.

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Speaker 18: Are you there, Okay, No, that's good. Yeah, it's good,

1272
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thank you. And you would say it's kind of like

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the same kind of principle.

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Speaker 1: There's a normative authority, there's tradition, absolutely no. In fact,

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the Orthodox Church a snodal model comes out of the

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Jewish sonodal model. That's exactly the argument that we make

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against Dale the Protestant, because Dale tries to take that

1278
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route and say, well, hey, Old Testament, it's soul scaptura.

1279
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They're going by the Bible the text level. Actually, even

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in the Old Testament they have the oral law to

1281
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the to the law and the testimony. Isaiah says, well,

1282
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the testimony is the oral tradition. Now there's bad oral

1283
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tradition and there's good oral tradition both are the case

1284
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and Jesus himself in certain places Paul as well, they

1285
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cite oral tradition right in the Old Testament. So there's

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legiti oral tradition, and there's fake old tradition which was

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attempting to at times replace the Word of God that

1288
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even Jeremiah bitches about. Right. So Jeremiah in certain chapters

1289
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saying hey describes and the Pharisees are adding to and

1290
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corrupting the texts uh so, good question though, good question, true, patristic, true, Patricia,

1291
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you want to I'm mute.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, ok, I have a question on the trinity. Yes,

1293
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so I have heard many times and obviously the Orthodox

1294
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:38,199
doctrine is that the Father is the one God, so

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defunt right now.

1296
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Speaker 1: The difficulty I.

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Speaker 2: Have is when we say.

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Speaker 14: The one and the three, meaning the one of the many, right,

1299
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so you have the one God, which doctrinally rehab to

1300
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:54,520
says the Father. However, the divine essence is what we're

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01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:55,479
actually referring.

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Speaker 4: To when we say that.

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01:23:55,960 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 1: No, yeah, it's a both hands.

1304
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Speaker 14: Okay, And you explain the how it's not the botomy

1305
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like a false dichotomy that like a contradictory the ichotomy

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there because that's it's easing me.

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Speaker 1: How can it be full of hands for that? Because

1308
01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:13,800
the word God picks out different things, the same argument

1309
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we make against Muslims, right, Muslims think that God can

1310
01:24:16,359 --> 01:24:20,399
only pick out Allah himself or Allah essence. And then

1311
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,239
you say, well, but doesn't Alla have ninety nine names

1312
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and all these attributes, and doesn't it also pick out

1313
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:28,840
the attributes? So you notice that the Muslim, for example,

1314
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,199
immediately runs into that issue with thinking that God only

1315
01:24:32,199 --> 01:24:34,960
has a single reference. Well, in scripture and in tradition,

1316
01:24:35,159 --> 01:24:37,560
God can pick out first and foremost the person of

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the Father, but it can also pick out a divine

1318
01:24:40,279 --> 01:24:43,159
energy or operation. It can pick out a divine hypostasis,

1319
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and it can pick out the divine essence, and it

1320
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:49,079
can also pick out angels, humans and demons. So the

1321
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word God is used in many different senses. That makes sense.

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Speaker 14: Now my question would be this might be some of

1323
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:01,319
the question, but so does the essence from hypostace he's

1324
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from the father or is it a misunderstanding?

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Speaker 1: So doesn't it be so according to the original Nicene creed,

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the son is generated whole and entire from the Father's essence,

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so that means that everything that the that the son has,

1328
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and Jesus himself says this, right, everything that I have,

1329
01:25:19,279 --> 01:25:21,840
he has from the Father, so that would include his

1330
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hypostasis and his essence. And later Blackerne says that it

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is the even the essence itself is communicated from the

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father to the son. Right.

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Speaker 14: And now that being said, the divinecence, which is proper

1334
01:25:37,279 --> 01:25:42,920
to the father's hypostaces like pontologically, the father becomes before

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01:25:43,119 --> 01:25:44,279
the divine essence.

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Speaker 1: Now there's no before or after relations in an eternal generation.

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The father is the source. It's a personal hypostatic source.

1338
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It's not the divine essence that's the source. So it

1339
01:25:55,760 --> 01:25:59,600
was the divine essence that was the source. Then the

1340
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would generate inspirate itself, right, the spirit would spirate himself.

1341
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It's the father's essence. And that's why we talk about

1342
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in hypostatized the essence only exists in the mode of

1343
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the persons that have it. So the essence exists in

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01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,760
the person of the father. And thus the son is

1345
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,359
generated of the father's essence. It's not just he's generated

1346
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from the divine essence. He's generated from the father's essence.

1347
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So that's the way Athenacious constantly argues that against the

1348
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Arians perfect.

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Speaker 14: And my last question would be, because each mentioned happenacious,

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would there be a particular reading from the Church fathers

1351
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:35,560
that you would recommend on this topic.

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Speaker 1: I would get khalid Anatolios's book on Athenacious because there's

1353
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a lot of different I mean, there's a whole volume

1354
01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,279
over here. I mean you could read the Discourse against

1355
01:26:46,279 --> 01:26:49,720
the Arians. But kaleid Anatolius's book is really good kind

1356
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:54,760
of collating all of the Athenacious texts into explaining how

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he conceives of the triad. But great questions. Appreciate that, William,

1358
01:26:59,159 --> 01:27:07,279
what's up? I have? Khalid Onnatoya's is one of his

1359
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affenacious books. I think he's got a few, but there's

1360
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one that I think specifically is dealing mainly with the

1361
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generation of the sun. William, what's up? You gonna wanna?

1362
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I'm mute? All right? Caspar? What's up?

1363
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:33,119
Speaker 9: Man?

1364
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,159
Speaker 1: H Caspar? You want I'm mute?

1365
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:47,159
Speaker 7: Hey?

1366
01:27:47,159 --> 01:27:49,960
Speaker 1: What's up? Man? How you doing good? What's on your mind?

1367
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Speaker 5: Oh?

1368
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Speaker 1: Much? So?

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Speaker 16: I was debating an atheist the other day and they

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got in.

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Speaker 1: They got stuck on this.

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Speaker 16: Uh key five mortal modal logic, and I kept saying it,

1373
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I don't see how he's making the jump from you know,

1374
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if if God's necessary in some other world, he's unnecessary.

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I don't I didn't understand the jump, and I just

1376
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kept saying like, that's as a non secretar, it's not.

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Speaker 1: Really going anywhere. I still can't answer the deeper. I

1378
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just wanted to hear what your insight to that would be.

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That would be a good question for FDA. And he's

1380
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not here. You know, he's a lot more studied in

1381
01:28:34,159 --> 01:28:36,479
the modal logic stuff than I am. So I'm just

1382
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gonna have to plead. I'm not sure exactly because I

1383
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:44,680
don't know exactly what the guy's arguing. But Chinese script,

1384
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what's up? I can't read your name? You want to unmute? Okay, Lasia,

1385
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Lejandro Aleandro? What's so? Lady got Goy? What's on your mind?

1386
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Lady God Goy? Hey Jay.

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Speaker 6: First of all, I just want to tell you thanks

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see you and Father h I said to start going

1389
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to the Dogs Church Sunday. I'm a first fourth of

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Dogs Church, so this Sunday and one that leurgy. Thank

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you for that.

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Speaker 1: But also you're saying you're going. Did you it's hard

1393
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to hear you. Did you? Did you say you're going

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to Father Josiah's church? You said, I couldn't hear you.

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Speaker 18: No, No, I wish now it's just the church with

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the dogs church.

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Speaker 1: I found your body, Okay, gotcha, go ahead. Yeah, but

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I wanted to.

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Speaker 6: Ask you about this movie that I found a while ago,

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and and I.

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Speaker 1: Was just thinking about it.

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Speaker 6: I was like, Jay would probably like called the classic

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animation adventure movie.

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Speaker 1: It's called The Adventures of Mark Twain. It's like a

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movie on thost.

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Speaker 18: Okay, it's really like weird, a lot of symbolisms.

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Speaker 1: You might like it, Okay, Adventures of the Mark Fighting

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Oh is that that weird one that's got all it's

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kind of gone viral for having like weird stuff in it. Yeah,

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it shows satan. I like the animation stuff, but it's

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really weird. Thinking you you definitely catch some Okay, I

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would be able to Yeah, all right, yeah, okay, I

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appreciate that. I'll check it out. Now. I've got a

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lot of energy. I'm gonna keep going. If you guys

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want to hang around. We got a lot of people

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in the chat. We still got at least ten people

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lined up for questions. But I'm gonna have to run

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to the little girls room and go T T. So

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I'm gonna let y'all listen to a little bit of

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this interesting spy music and I will be right back.

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Don't go anywhere. Here's some spy tunes that fits the mood.

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I think, baz Bo, you're discussing childish people. I was

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not pooping my pants. I was about to freaking whiz everywhere. Dude,

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Let's get a little more spy music going to get

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this the vibe. What's up? Uh? Gear May? What's up?

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Gear May?

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Speaker 5: Mhmm?

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Speaker 1: Yeare May? What's up? Hey? What's up?

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Speaker 5: Jake?

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Speaker 1: What's on your mind? Yeah? I would like to ask

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you a question.

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Speaker 15: Every once in a while we see this claim and

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I want I want to know your thoughts on it.

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When people say Jesus was Jewish or Jesus was a jew,

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what is how do you evaluate it? What is the

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angle that you think these people are taking when they

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when they make the claim, and how do you respond

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to it?

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you read the Book of Ezra or

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if you read the book of Zeremiah, Zechariah, Old Testament

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religion is called Judaism. Jesus says in john Ford to

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the Woman of the Will, the salvation is of the Jews.

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So there's nothing theologically or even remotely incorrect there. All right,

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I appreciate it, thank you. So there's this, you know,

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this argument goes around where people think that there's no

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such thing as Judaism. It's kind of a Christian identity

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white wig nat argument that goes around. Now, the religion

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of the Old Testament is proto Christianity, and that's Hebrew Judaism.

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After the split between Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism, Rabbinic Judaism

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becomes kind of its own thing that we think of

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as today's rabbinic Judaism. Okay, and those people are still Jews,

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but the religion is a different religion than what we

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would argue is authentic Judaism, which is Christianity. So our

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interpretation is that it was always own only through faith

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in the Messiah that you were saved. You could never

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be saved by being just merely a genetic descendant of Abraham.

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So Galatians three is very clear about that that faith

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in Christ and baptism is what makes us a member

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of the Abrahamic Covenant, and that's fulfilled now that the

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Messiah has come. So when we look at texts in

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the Old Testament, even the Old Testament notes that there

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were Jews as well as Kaldeon's at Mizpop. The Old

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Testament notes in Ezra that the Jews exist, Nehemiah the Jews.

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So these are Old Testament canonical texts. And I don't

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know why it's not coming up in Zechariah, but there's

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a reference in Zachariah as well. Here we go in

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this these are predictions even in the Messianic era. They

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will grab the sleep of a Jewish man. Let us

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go for you. We have heard that God is with you.

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This is referring to the Apostles and their preaching of

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the Gospels that Criat is a prophetic it's predicting the

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Messianic era. And that's why in John four, Jesus says,

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you know not what you speak, because the Samaritan woman

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was a schismatic, right, the Samaritan woman thought that the

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Samaritans were the true religion. They were the schismatics of

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that time. And Jesus says, you know not that of

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which you speak. By the way, notice there being a

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generic monotheist doesn't get you anywhere. So that refutes no

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stretate the idea that, oh, well, we all believe in God,

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because we all believe in one God, so it's the

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same God. Right. Samaritan woman says, hey, you are prophet,

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settle my theological dispute question. Our fathers worshiped here on

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this mountain in Samaria, but the Jews say you have

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to do it in Jerusalem. What's the right place? Jesus says,

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The day is coming when it will be global, right,

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everybody everywhere will worship, not related to specifically a single location.

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It will be a global worship, he says, But you

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do not know what you worship for. Salvation is of

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the Jews, and that is factually, historically, biblically correct. Shouldn't

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even really be an issue? David, what's up? David? What's up? Man? Hey,

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it's something I have. I'm an northodox kata koum.

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Speaker 5: I just have a question about what books would you

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recommend that you would have liked to have I guess,

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in your hindsight knowledge by what would you have liked

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to have read?

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Speaker 1: I have a bunch, but some.

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Speaker 5: Of them are like saying Seraph in his books, they're

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really complex, and I need to start something smaller.

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Speaker 1: Really, just what would you suggest, I mean, I would

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I would Uh, looking back, I would say I would

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have It would have been good to have read the

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entire Palmazansky book Orthodox Dogmatics starting out. It would have

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been good to have read Visiting Theology by my Endorf.

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If it would have been good to read christ in

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a Christological Controversy Saint Cyril of Alexander, Christological Controversy by mcguckan.

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And I'm just telling you the books that I kind

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of staggered over many years, but if I'd read them

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kind of early on, I would have been able to

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avoid I think a lot of questions and issues and

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disputes and and and and things. Later on the Orthodox

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Faith by John Damascus, Uh, five Theological Orations by Saint

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Gregord now Sanzus, and then when you get beyond that,

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one read all the orations because they're actually all really important,

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but the five is a good place to start. On

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the Incarnation by sant Athanasius. Those are all absolutely kind

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of essential necessary reads. Mystical Theology by laws Key, So

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I would do all those hobber Moss, what's up, hobber Moss,

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what's up? We've got actual Frankfurt school Djens in the chat.

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What's up, man? Oh Amen, I hope you're doing well.

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Nice to me you.

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Speaker 8: I was curious to know if you were familiar with

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the Stanley Monty, if you ever collaborated with him or

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have looked into his work,