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Speaker 6: Twenty two year old Tim McClain had taken a job
Speaker 6: with the Red River Exhibition in Winnipeg, Manitoba, and then
Speaker 6: traveled to work as a carnival barker in Edmonton. Once there, though,
Speaker 6: he decided rather to return home. He departed Edmonton at
Speaker 6: twelve oh one am on July thirtieth, two thousand and eight,
Speaker 6: on board Greyhound Bus eleven seventy to Winnipeg via the
Speaker 6: Yellowhead Highway through Sascna. He sat at the rear, one
Speaker 6: row ahead of the washroom. At around seven pm, the
Speaker 6: bus left from a stop in Ericsson, Manitoba, with a
Speaker 6: new passenger, Vince Wiguang Lee. Tim McClain sent a text
Speaker 6: message around seven thirty pm to his father, Tim Senior,
Speaker 6: as the bus was leaving Brandon, the last leg of
Speaker 6: its journey, to ask whether he could come there for
Speaker 6: the night. His father was happy to hear from him
Speaker 6: and texted back to his son that of course he could.
Speaker 6: Vince Wiguang Lie was born April thirtieth, nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 6: in Dandong and grew up in northeastern China in the
Speaker 6: province of Laoning, living with an older brother, a younger sister,
Speaker 6: and his parents. In nineteen ninety two, Lee graduated from
Speaker 6: the University of Wuhan Institute of Technology with a Bachelor
Speaker 6: of Science degree in computers, and from nineteen ninety four
Speaker 6: to nineteen ninety eight he worked in Beijing as a
Speaker 6: computer software engineer. Lee and his wife Anna, immigrated to
Speaker 6: Canada on June eleventh, two thousand and one. Lee had
Speaker 6: studied as a computer engineer for four years in China,
Speaker 6: but could not immediately find a job in his field
Speaker 6: in Canada. Lee was hospitalized in early two thousand and
Speaker 6: four after an incident where he was picked up by
Speaker 6: Ontario Provincial police who found him walking along a highway
Speaker 6: following the sun on order from God. He was hospitalized
Speaker 6: briefly but never sought medical help afterwards. He worked in
Speaker 6: Winnipeg at Grant Memorial Church as a caretaker for six
Speaker 6: months later that year in two thousand and four, he
Speaker 6: seemed happy to have a good job and was committed
Speaker 6: to doing it well despite a language barrier he encountered
Speaker 6: with other congregation members. There were no incidents, however, but
Speaker 6: quit Lee quit the job in the spring of two
Speaker 6: thousand and five. He also worked in Winnipeg as a
Speaker 6: forklift operator. While his work, his wife worked as a waitress.
Speaker 6: Lee moved to Edmonton in two thousand and six, abruptly
Speaker 6: leaving his wife alone in Winnipeg. She joined him later
Speaker 6: that year. He became a Canadian citizen on November seventh
Speaker 6: of that year. His jobs included a supervisor at mc
Speaker 6: donald's restaurant, a newspaper carrier, an employee at Meatland Foods,
Speaker 6: and at wal Mart. He was prone to unexplain absences
Speaker 6: from work and sometimes took long road trips on the
Speaker 6: bus while offering friends and family members long rum rambling talks.
Speaker 6: Lee's former wife said he used to be gone for
Speaker 6: long periods of time, he took unexplained bus trips and
Speaker 6: sometimes rambled. Despite the urging of those clothes to him,
Speaker 6: he refused to seek medical treatment. At the end of June,
Speaker 6: he was fired from Walmart following a disagreement with other employees.
Speaker 6: Shortly after, Lee asked for time off from his new
Speaker 6: delivery job to go to Winnipeg for another job interview.
Speaker 6: At approximately twelve thirty a m. On Tuesday, July twenty ninth,
Speaker 6: two thousand and eight, Lee boarded a Greyhound bus in Edmonton, Alberta,
Speaker 6: heading to thunder Bay via Winnipeg. He purchased his ticket
Speaker 6: under the name of Wong Pent. He did not notify
Speaker 6: his ex wife that he was leaving nor what his
Speaker 6: destination was. He did leave her a note stating I'm gone,
Speaker 6: don't look for me. I wish you were happy. Before
Speaker 6: the trip, he bought a very large knife at a
Speaker 6: Canadian tire store. On July twenty ninth, round six pm,
Speaker 6: Lee got off the bus in Ericson, Manitoba, with at
Speaker 6: least three pieces of luggage. Although the bus driver, Patrick Delbridge,
Speaker 6: tried to advise him that it was not his stop,
Speaker 6: Lee stayed the night awake, sitting on a bench next
Speaker 6: to a grocery store. He spent twenty four hours in Ericson,
Speaker 6: as there was only one bus per day stopping in
Speaker 6: the community. During that time, he disposed of most of
Speaker 6: his personal assets by either selling them or burning them.
Speaker 6: On the morning of July thirtieth, still at the bench,
Speaker 6: he sold his new laptop computer to a fifteen year
Speaker 6: old boy, Darren Beatty, for sixty dollars. Lee had made
Speaker 6: a sign asking for six hundred dollars, but Darren talked
Speaker 6: him down somehow to sixty dollars. Shortly before six p m.
Speaker 6: Lee boarded the bus heading to Winnipeg carrying Tim mc
Speaker 6: lean and thirty five other passengers. Tim mcclan got off
Speaker 6: the bus for a cigarette break between Brandon and Portage
Speaker 6: Lo Prairie. Lee, forty years old, a tall man with
Speaker 6: a shaved head and sunglasses, originally sat near the front
Speaker 6: of the bus, but moved to sit next to mc
Speaker 6: lean following the rest stop. Mc Lean barely acknowledged Lee
Speaker 6: and proceeded to fall asleep against the windowpane headphones on.
Speaker 6: Mc clan was slim and fit, five foot five and
Speaker 6: around one hundred and twenty five pounds. At around eight
Speaker 6: thirty p m. Greyhound Bus eleven seventy was approximately twelve
Speaker 6: miles west of Portage Lo Prairie on the trans Canaona
Speaker 6: Highway when a passenger sitting one row ahead heard a
Speaker 6: blood curdling scream and turned around to see Lee standing
Speaker 6: over mc lean, stabbing him repeatedly in the neck and
Speaker 6: chest with a huge Rambo type knife. Tim mc lean
Speaker 6: fought hard and tried his best to escape, but couldn't
Speaker 6: as Lee was blocking the aisle. Lee was preoccupied with
Speaker 6: mc lean by now and continued to stab him as
Speaker 6: he lay on the floor. He paid no attention to
Speaker 6: the other passengers as the bus was vacated, and he peered,
Speaker 6: oblivious to the demands of bus driver Bruce Martin that
Speaker 6: he stopped stabbing mc lean. After everyone had run from
Speaker 6: the vehicle, Lee came to the front of the bus
Speaker 6: and tried to escape. The bus driver was able to
Speaker 6: close the door on Lee's arm with the bloody knife extended.
Speaker 6: Lee pulled his arm back into the bus and returned
Speaker 6: to the rear, where he continued defiling the body of
Speaker 6: Tim mc lean. Martin called nine one one. Bernie Skyro,
Speaker 6: driver of a second Greyhound bus that was following Greyhound
Speaker 6: Bus eleven seventy to carry the passenger overload, realized that
Speaker 6: there was something very unusual in the fashion that driver
Speaker 6: Martin pulled over and abruptly stopped. Mister Circrup stopped his
Speaker 6: bus on the shoulder right in front of the Greyhound
Speaker 6: bus eleven seventy circrup observed Lee at the back of
Speaker 6: the bus and entered the bus yelling repeatedly for Lee
Speaker 6: to stop the attack. Lee responded by stating get emergency.
Speaker 6: As script stared, Lee was severing the head of Tim
Speaker 6: McLain sickrip left the bus as he realized McLean was
Speaker 6: dead and couldn't be saved. Lee traveled to the front
Speaker 6: of the bus, now holding the severed head of Tim
Speaker 6: McClain in one hand and a black handled knife in
Speaker 6: the other. The bus door was closed and barricaded by
Speaker 6: a truck driver who had pulled over to assist. Shortly after,
Speaker 6: PM ken Barker and other RCMP officers responded to a
Speaker 6: call about a man brandishing a knife on a Greyhound
Speaker 6: bus on the Trans Canada Highway near Portage Lo Prairie.
Speaker 6: Upon our CMP arrival, a police vehicle was parked against
Speaker 6: the door to the bus to prevent Lee from exiting.
Speaker 6: They arrived to find Lee being prevented from escaping by
Speaker 6: another passenger, the bus driver, and a truck driver who
Speaker 6: had provided a crowbarn and a hammer as weapons. The
Speaker 6: other passengers were huddled at the roadside, some of them
Speaker 6: crying and others vomiting. At one point, Lee was fiddling
Speaker 6: with the bus controls, trying to open the door so
Speaker 6: that he could exit. The bus driver scrap cut the power.
Speaker 6: Lee threw the head of Tim McClain into the stair
Speaker 6: roll and returned to the back of the bus and
Speaker 6: continued to mutilate the body of Tim mcclan. RCMP Corporal
Speaker 6: Harder attempted to communicate with Lee and asked him to
Speaker 6: dropped the knife out of a small window located in
Speaker 6: the bathroom at the rear of the bus. Lee's only
Speaker 6: response was words to the effect that he had to
Speaker 6: stay on the bus forever. As officers watched, Lee continued
Speaker 6: to mutilate both the body and the head and the
Speaker 6: face of Tim McLane, using both a huge knife and
Speaker 6: a pair of scissors. Constable Brown and Corporal Smith witnessed
Speaker 6: Lee's smell and then eat pieces of Tim mcclan's flesh
Speaker 6: and licked blood from his fingers and hands. Lee carried
Speaker 6: mclan's internal organs and various body parts throughout the bus.
Speaker 6: He grabbed McLean's head from the stair while holding it
Speaker 6: by the hair and shaking the decapitated head, taunting police.
Speaker 6: At approximately one twenty am four hours after the attack
Speaker 6: July thirty, first, Lee broke a window on the bus
Speaker 6: and threw out some personal belongings, a knife, kife, and
Speaker 6: a pair of scissors. He then jumped out of the
Speaker 6: bus headfirst, landing on top of the knife. He was struggling, screaming,
Speaker 6: and refused to surrender his hands. Fully stunned him with
Speaker 6: a taser numerous times before he surrendered his hands and
Speaker 6: could be handcuffed and taken to a police vehicle. Found
Speaker 6: in Lee's pants pocket was a plastic bag containing Tim
Speaker 6: McLean's ear, nose and tongue. Lee blood smeared around his
Speaker 6: mouth and on his face, pleaded with police. I'm sorry,
Speaker 6: I'm guilty, Please kill me. The internal organs were recovered
Speaker 6: in plastic bags in four separate areas of the bus.
Speaker 6: The tip of the blade was found in the Clean's
Speaker 6: skull in the forehead area, just above the inner aspect
Speaker 6: of the right eyebrow. Timklaian's eyes were missing, as well
Speaker 6: as a good portion of his heart and were presumed
Speaker 6: eden Vincent. Lee was formally arrested. The story reverberated throughout
Speaker 6: the world, disgusting, shocking, and horrifying everyone that heard or
Speaker 6: read about the incredible killing. Days later, when he appeared
Speaker 6: in a Portage Leperirie courthouse on charges of second degree murder,
Speaker 6: the only words Lee uttered were pleased for someone to
Speaker 6: kill him. The second degree murder trial of Vincent Lee
Speaker 6: began on March third, two thousand and nine. Although Lee
Speaker 6: had admitted his guilt officers that night in two thousand
Speaker 6: and eight, Lee pleaded not guilty. His lawyers argued that
Speaker 6: he was not criminally response because he was mentally ill.
Speaker 6: At trial, a psychiatrist said that Lee believed the voice
Speaker 6: of God was telling him to do it. The court
Speaker 6: heard that Vincent Lee believed the voice of God was
Speaker 6: telling him to kill mister McLain and that by mutilating
Speaker 6: his body and eating parts of the flesh, he would
Speaker 6: prevent him from coming back to life. The voice told
Speaker 6: Lee to get on the bus and sixth next to
Speaker 6: Tim mclan. Doctor Stanley Yarn told Lee's second degree murder
Speaker 6: trial jury. Yarron is the head of Manitoba's forensic psychiatry program,
Speaker 6: and he said Lee was delusional, believing God had told
Speaker 6: him to board the bus carrying a concealed knife. Yarin
Speaker 6: said it appeared Lee beside McLain merely because the young
Speaker 6: man offered him a friendly greeting. A voice from God
Speaker 6: told him mister McLain was a force of evil and
Speaker 6: about to execute him. Yeron told a judge Lee believed
Speaker 6: he had to act quickly to protect himself in response
Speaker 6: to that, in a state of panic and fearful for
Speaker 6: his own life, he carried out the acts that he did.
Speaker 6: But Lee believed the twenty two year old McLain was
Speaker 6: still capable of coming back to life, so he continued
Speaker 6: to mutilate the body and scattered the parts around the bus.
Speaker 6: Mister Lee did not understand he was killing an innocent bystander.
Speaker 6: He did not understand his actions were wrong. Yarran said
Speaker 6: Lee is still psychotic and believes it's just a matter
Speaker 6: of time before God kills him. He continues to have
Speaker 6: hallucinations and hear voices, but is on strong antipsychotic medication.
Speaker 6: Vincent Lee is as much a victim as Tim McLain,
Speaker 6: the psychiatrist, stated, it would be in some sense easier
Speaker 6: if mister Lee was an antisocial psychopath with a history
Speaker 6: of malicious behavior, but he isn't that. He is as
Speaker 6: I've come to know him a decent person again. He
Speaker 6: is as much a victim of this horrendous illness as
Speaker 6: mister McLain was a victim. No one who witnessed the
Speaker 6: horror was called to testify other than the two psychiatrists.
Speaker 6: McLean's family and friends, many wearing t shirts with his
Speaker 6: picture on them, wept openly as the grisly details were
Speaker 6: read out in court. Tim mclan's mother, Carol D. Daley,
Speaker 6: has said she wants the law change, though anyone found
Speaker 6: not criminally responsible for a crime still serves time behind bars.
Speaker 6: Carol de Daily told CBC News prior to the trial
Speaker 6: that she does not want to see Lee ever released
Speaker 6: from custody, but legal experts say the not criminally responsible
Speaker 6: defense is rarely used and it doesn't mean the criminal
Speaker 6: walks away Scott free. Herein told the courts that Lee
Speaker 6: was briefly hospitalized in two thousand and four after he
Speaker 6: was picked up by Ontario Provincial police who found him
Speaker 6: walking along a highway following the sun on order from God.
Speaker 6: He was, however, not diagnosed as a schizophrenic at that time,
Speaker 6: nor was he prescribed medication, and he did not contact
Speaker 6: mental health officials afterwards. At trial, doctor Jonathan Rutenberg said
Speaker 6: Vincent Lee was psychotic and was in no state to
Speaker 6: tell the difference between right and wrong. The attack was
Speaker 6: sudden and came as Lee caught a glimpse of the
Speaker 6: sunlight and heard God's voice telling him that McLain was
Speaker 6: a threat. The voice said, do it now. If you don't,
Speaker 6: he's going to kill you now. Two days later, on
Speaker 6: March fifth, two thousand and nine. Trial lasted two days
Speaker 6: and heard from only two witnesses. Both were psychiatrists who
Speaker 6: testified Lee suffered and suffers from schizophrenia. They testified Lee
Speaker 6: heard what he thought was the voice of God a
Speaker 6: little over a year ago, telling him to mckill McLain
Speaker 6: or resk killing being killed himself. Vincent Lee was found
Speaker 6: not criminally responsible for the gruesome murder and beheading of
Speaker 6: Tim McClain on a Greyhound bus in summer of two
Speaker 6: thousand and eight. These grotesque acts are appalling. Justice John
Speaker 6: Schofield said in Thursday's ruling, However, the acts themselves, in
Speaker 6: the context in which they were committed, are strongly suggestive
Speaker 6: of a mental disorder. He did not appreciate the act
Speaker 6: he committed was morally wrong. He believed he was acting
Speaker 6: in self defense and that he had been commanded by
Speaker 6: God to do so. Both the Crown prosecutor and the
Speaker 6: defense agreed that Lee is a schizophrenic who was suffering
Speaker 6: a psychotic episode when he killed the twenty two year
Speaker 6: old Tim McLean. Lee was now forty one years old,
Speaker 6: will now be remanded to a secure psychiatric facility where
Speaker 6: he will receive treatment. A review panel will decide in
Speaker 6: the next six weeks which facility he will be transferred to,
Speaker 6: depending on whether he is considered a risk to others
Speaker 6: or to himself. His case must also be reviewed on
Speaker 6: an annual basis by a mental health review board. The
Speaker 6: review board will look at police reports from the crime
Speaker 6: scene and review transcripts of previous hearings, while also listening
Speaker 6: to evidence from psychiatrists who will treat Lee about his
Speaker 6: current mental condition and his treatment plan. In prognosis, the
Speaker 6: public needs to know that when a person is found
Speaker 6: not criminally responsible, it does not automatically follow that a
Speaker 6: person will be released into the community. Judge Scourfield said
Speaker 6: in his ruling, people who are found not criminally responsible,
Speaker 6: let who continue to pose a danger to the community.
Speaker 6: May be kept in a locked institution for the rest
Speaker 6: of their lives after the trial. Legal analyst and criminal
Speaker 6: lawyer Stephen Skirka said the decision shows that the Canadian
Speaker 6: criminal just system is humane and recognize it that those
Speaker 6: in psychotic states cannot distinguish right from wrong. We can't
Speaker 6: simply look at the actions. We have to look at
Speaker 6: his mental state. We don't punish people who don't appreciate
Speaker 6: the nature and quality of their actions. I think that's
Speaker 6: a very positive feature of our system. With the not
Speaker 6: criminally responsible declaration, Lee will not have a criminal record,
Speaker 6: but on the agreement of both the prosecutor and the defense,
Speaker 6: his DNA will be put into a registry so that
Speaker 6: it will be on file in the event Lee is
Speaker 6: one day released and is suspected of another crime. Skirka
Speaker 6: said it's a responsible position for the defense to take
Speaker 6: because clearly they're concerned about public safety. While the McLain
Speaker 6: family knew to expect Thursday's ruling, mclan's mother, Carold Dedlay,
Speaker 6: says she will push forward with what she calls Tim's Law.
Speaker 6: She wants those who are found to be not criminally
Speaker 6: responsible to have criminal records and to be treated in prison,
Speaker 6: not in a mental facility. The Daily told reporters outside
Speaker 6: the courthouse that NCR should be changed to what she
Speaker 6: calls NPA. That would be not psychologically accountable but still
Speaker 6: criminally responsible because a crime was committed. Here a murder
Speaker 6: still occurred and not criminally responsible seems to negate that fact.
Speaker 6: She also wondered why Lee, who was born in China,
Speaker 6: was granted citizenship even after he had been diagnosed with schizophrenia.
Speaker 6: The thing is, though, that he was arrested by police
Speaker 6: and hospitalized in two thousand and four for walking towards
Speaker 6: a son and order from God. However, he was not
Speaker 6: diagnosed at that time as schizophrenic. The Lee case brought
Speaker 6: mental illness, particularly schizophrenia, into the national headlines, and some
Speaker 6: psychologists say the trial had reinforced the stigma attached to
Speaker 6: mental illness. Annette Osted of the College of Registered Nurses
Speaker 6: of Manitoba told the c t V that it's time
Speaker 6: to stop blaming Vincent Lee and start searching for answers
Speaker 6: about what went wrong in the health system. His illness
Speaker 6: left untreated caused this horrific event. Now why was it
Speaker 6: left untreated? She asked that's the fact that we have
Speaker 6: to look at as a society. Doctor Richard Shore says
Speaker 6: that schizophrenias schizophrenics have more to fear from society than
Speaker 6: vice versa. He said, the majority of people with illness
Speaker 6: do not act violently. It's rare for schizophrenics to express
Speaker 6: outward aggression. They are usually more isolated. Mary Alberty of
Speaker 6: the Schizophrenia Society of Ontario said that with Tim's Law,
Speaker 6: we understand why the family would take that viewpoint, but
Speaker 6: we also know based on experience at the Schizophrenia Society,
Speaker 6: that the outcomes with treatment can be very good. With
Speaker 6: proper treatment, mister Lee will have greater insight into his disease.
Speaker 6: But having said that, we have to remember schizophrenia and
Speaker 6: psychosis are characterized by having a lack of insight that
Speaker 6: they are ill, she said, But with proper treatment and support,
Speaker 6: we believe people can recover from schizophrenia. Tim McClain's family
Speaker 6: lobbied for changes to the criminal code, pushing for victim
Speaker 6: protection legislation they called Tim's Law, and by signing the
Speaker 6: petition for Tim's Law, people were showing support for a
Speaker 6: dialogue that weighs the rights of all sides of the discussion.
Speaker 6: The proposal led corgislation would prevent a person found not
Speaker 6: criminally responsible of a crime from being released into the community.
Speaker 6: It would mean that the most violent, unpredictable people who
Speaker 6: have committed a crime would face incarceration for life with
Speaker 6: no possibility of release. During this time, Carol did the
Speaker 6: lay found work cleaning houses at night. She also had
Speaker 6: to give that up to help care for her grandkids,
Speaker 6: including her own, Tim McClane's child, who was born five
Speaker 6: months after Tim's death. Carol says her family's long legal
Speaker 6: battle to keep her sons killer locked up as left
Speaker 6: them struggling to stay afloat financially. She says that the
Speaker 6: fight has stunted her career growth, saw her lose out
Speaker 6: on income and forced her and her husband Tim to
Speaker 6: rack up debt, and that they were pretty much at
Speaker 6: the end of their resources to day. Says she was
Speaker 6: forced to miswork for extended periods of time as she
Speaker 6: attended hearings and dealt with legal issues related to Vince
Speaker 6: Lee's trial. The Delady has fought the verdict of not
Speaker 6: criminally responsible ever since, and the recent decision to potentially
Speaker 6: move Lee to a group home. Her family also filed
Speaker 6: a lawsuit against Greyhound and the federal government for failing
Speaker 6: to take proper safety precautions. Tim McClain's uncle, Dave Melkowski,
Speaker 6: created a GoFundMe for the couple earlier this month, which
Speaker 6: raised more than six thousand dollars. A. Mulkowski says that
Speaker 6: Delayy had been totally consumed by the horrible tragedy and
Speaker 6: asked for help in getting their lives back. Now, five
Speaker 6: years later, twelve hundred people had signed her petition Tim's Law.
Speaker 6: She said it was a tough decision to close the
Speaker 6: Did the Lady Foundation for Life after accepting donations for
Speaker 6: the effort, but it had become a financial drain. Still,
Speaker 6: she said she believes she had made an impact. She
Speaker 6: wanted to make people aware and she thought that she
Speaker 6: had done that to the best of her ability. I
Speaker 6: have brought to the attention of the leaders of the country,
Speaker 6: the policy makers. There was a lot of information, a
Speaker 6: lot of talk that didn't exist five years ago. A
Speaker 6: killer is a killer. If you take a life, you
Speaker 6: forfeit your freedom for the rest of your life. She said.
Speaker 6: The only thing that should change with a mentally ill
Speaker 6: killers that they should serve their sentence in a place
Speaker 6: where they can also receive treatment. As a result, Prime
Speaker 6: Minister Stephen Covative Stephen Harper of the Conservative Government announced
Speaker 6: proposed changes to the Criminal Code that would include stringent
Speaker 6: restriction for people found not criminally responsible for violent crimes.
Speaker 6: Among the changes the Prime ministers outlined was a new
Speaker 6: legal designation high risk non criminally responsible accused offenders. Given
Speaker 6: that designation would be ineligible for unescorted passes and would
Speaker 6: also have to wait three years before getting a review
Speaker 6: by mental health boards as opposed to the annual review.
Speaker 6: The review boards would also have to follow stricter guidelines
Speaker 6: and only the courts would have the power to revoke
Speaker 6: that status. The changes were also expected to include a
Speaker 6: bigger role for victims at every stage as soon as
Speaker 6: trials were completed. In June third, twenty ten, in the
Speaker 6: first of annual hearings into Vincent Lee's progress, the Criminal
Speaker 6: Review Board ruled he can take walks on hospital grounds
Speaker 6: as long as he is escorted by two staff members.
Speaker 6: The passes started at fifteen minutes and increased incrementally to
Speaker 6: a maximum of one hour twice daily. At that time,
Speaker 6: the Manitoba Attorney General Andrew Swan stepped in and put
Speaker 6: the decision on hold until new security measures at the
Speaker 6: facility were implemented. A year later. June third, twenty eleven,
Speaker 6: the Review Board decided to allow Lee to spend up
Speaker 6: to a full day outside the locked unit on the
Speaker 6: hospital grounds. He needed to be accompanied by one staff
Speaker 6: member only. The board did not authorize group outings on
Speaker 6: the grounds, nor did it allow him escorted passes into
Speaker 6: the community. By May seventeenth and twenty twelve, less than
Speaker 6: a year later, Lee was allowed escorted trips into the
Speaker 6: community of nearby Selkirk, about fifty miles from Winnipeg. The
Speaker 6: passes started at thirty minutes and increased incrementally to a
Speaker 6: maximum of a full day. Lee would have to be
Speaker 6: escorted at all times by one staff member and a
Speaker 6: security officer. Further, he is allowed to make supervise full
Speaker 6: day trips further afield to Lockport, another nearby community, Winnipeg,
Speaker 6: and nearby beaches. The board also approved Lee for unescorted
Speaker 6: trips on the grounds of the mental hospital, starting for
Speaker 6: fifteen minutes at a time and working up to full day.
Speaker 6: In February twenty seventh, February twenty seven, twenty fourteen, Lee
Speaker 6: was allowed to leave the mental hospital without an escort
Speaker 6: and visit Selkirk on his own. The board ruled he
Speaker 6: could start with thirty minute visits and increased two full days.
Speaker 6: Supervision on his outings to the City of Winnipeg and
Speaker 6: local beaches was to be relaxed, and he was allowed
Speaker 6: to be moved to an unlocked ward at the hospital.
Speaker 6: Doctors from the Selkirk Mental Health Facility told the Criminal
Speaker 6: Review Board hearing that Vincent Lee has made significant progress
Speaker 6: in his treatment. The Indeed, the risk of Lee reoffending,
Speaker 6: according to his medical handlers, is only about one percent.
Speaker 6: Based on this new diagnosis, the Review Board was asked
Speaker 6: to give Lee extended privileges within the facility. Previously, Lee
Speaker 6: was allowed passes to walk on hospital grounds provided he
Speaker 6: had direct supervision. Now doctors are suggesting Lee is doing
Speaker 6: so well with the daily sixty ninety minute walks that
Speaker 6: he should be allowed general supervision like any other patient
Speaker 6: at the hospital. A second proposal was made involving Lee
Speaker 6: being permitted to take thirty minute excursions away from the
Speaker 6: hospital within Selkirk, provided he is accompanied by all times
Speaker 6: by a peace officer and a nurse. As doctors say,
Speaker 6: those passes can be extended by up to fifteen minutes
Speaker 6: per week, provided there are no incidents and he continues
Speaker 6: to make great strides within the request to the board.
Speaker 6: There is no indication that the community would made aware
Speaker 6: of Lee's presence in their neighborhood. In fact, his doctor
Speaker 6: suggested that the accompanying peace officers should be allowed to
Speaker 6: wear plain clothes to avoid drawing extra attention to Vincent Lee.
Speaker 6: At the hearing, the prosecutor did not raise any opposition
Speaker 6: to the proposals. Lee was described as having a low
Speaker 6: risk of reoffending and described as a nice, gentle guy. Ironically,
Speaker 6: Vincent Lee sat quietly through the hearing, shackled in laygarns.
Speaker 6: It is expected that Vincent Lee will be given more
Speaker 6: freedom in the days to come. The board is expected
Speaker 6: to render their decision shortly. Mental health advocates agreed it
Speaker 6: as unusual for a patient such as Lee to get
Speaker 6: unsupervised leave after only five years in treatment. Manitoba Schizophrenia
Speaker 6: Society Executive director Chris Somerville said typically patients are in
Speaker 6: treatment for much longer before having such freedoms, but Lee
Speaker 6: is not typical. Yes, it comes as a surprise that
Speaker 6: it would be so soon, Somerville said, but he's done
Speaker 6: so wonderfully as a patient. Somerville said, it's similar to
Speaker 6: giving children more privileges as they earn more trust. The
Speaker 6: average length of stay of for instance, eunichuts somewhere around
Speaker 6: ten to fifteen years on average, but this is unusual
Speaker 6: in light of the fact that he has responded so
Speaker 6: well to medication and treatment on July. In July two
Speaker 6: thousand and fourteen, one of the Mounties who responded to
Speaker 6: the two thousand and eight Manitoba bus beheading, Corporal Ken Barker,
Speaker 6: committed suicide after years of suffering from post traumatic stress disorder.
Speaker 6: Corporal Barker was a Mounty for twenty seven years, except
Speaker 6: for a brief stint with the Winnipeg Fire Department. For
Speaker 6: the latter part of his career, he was a dog
Speaker 6: handler working with Akxa, a Czech Republic born German shepherd,
Speaker 6: but as one of Manitoba's few dog handlers, he worked
Speaker 6: irregular hours, frequently uncovering decaying corpses in the wilderness. On
Speaker 6: the night of July thirty of two thousand and eight,
Speaker 6: Corporal Barker and Akxa were among those called as the
Speaker 6: Trans Canada Highway near portagele Prairie after reports of a
Speaker 6: stabbing on a Greyhound bus. He was one of the
Speaker 6: first police officers on the scene. Family and former colleagues
Speaker 6: said the fifteen one year old Barker, who retired last month,
Speaker 6: had already seen almost two decades of horrific crime scenes
Speaker 6: when he witnessed the grizzly scene on the bus. That
Speaker 6: was the straw that broke the camel's back, His estranged wife,
Speaker 6: Sherry said. While family members say the beheading was the
Speaker 6: most traumatic incident Barker witnessed, the former officer said it
Speaker 6: wasn't the only one. Walder said her brother's treatment was
Speaker 6: coming along, and while he was still a dog handler,
Speaker 6: he was stationed at the airport in bus depots instead
Speaker 6: of responding to slings. But last fall things began changing. Barker,
Speaker 6: who had two adult children, had been on medical leaf
Speaker 6: since October twenty thirteen. With Vincent Lee getting in the
Speaker 6: paper about his walks, he start experiencing flashbacks, she said.
Speaker 6: Ken always said he didn't want to be known as
Speaker 6: the Greyhound guy. Sherry said, he said It first started
Speaker 6: at his first posting at NANAIMOBC. The greyhound incident was
Speaker 6: just one of many. It was multiple, cumulative, and he
Speaker 6: was just a sensitive fellow. He was predisposed because of
Speaker 6: his NAT. Two women rescued Barker from a suicide tempt
Speaker 6: in May, but no one got to him in time
Speaker 6: that weekend. In July, Corporal Barker was found dead in
Speaker 6: his basement of his Manitoba home. He had recently retired
Speaker 6: and was estranged from his wife, Shari, who he met
Speaker 6: in high school. She arrived at the house to find
Speaker 6: the front door open, then call paramedics after finding no
Speaker 6: one on the upper floors. It was a very rapid
Speaker 6: decline in the last six months. He sent text messages
Speaker 6: like I think I'm too broken to ever be fixed,
Speaker 6: and he would also say I wish I had cancer
Speaker 6: because then people would understand. February twenty third, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 6: experts recommend the board allow Vincent Lee to be transferred
Speaker 6: to a Winnipeg hospital Health Sciences Center, with an eye
Speaker 6: to moving him to a community group poem. Lee's psychiatrist
Speaker 6: and other doctors also recommend Lee be granted unescorted outings
Speaker 6: in Winnipeg doctor Stephen Kremer said Lee has suffered no
Speaker 6: hallucinations in the past year and understands the importance of
Speaker 6: taking his medication. Kramer said Lee's likelihood to re offend
Speaker 6: violently is quite low. February twenty seventh, the Manitoba Criminal
Speaker 6: Court Review Board allows Lee to have unescorted visits to Winnipeg.
Speaker 6: On May eighth, twenty fifteen, the man who beheaded a
Speaker 6: fellow passenger on a Greyhound bus in Manitoba has been
Speaker 6: approved to move from a mental hospital to a group
Speaker 6: home in Winnipeg. A public rally against the ruling will
Speaker 6: be held Saturday afternoon at the Manitoba Legislature called Justice
Speaker 6: for Tim McClain. McLean's mother, Carol de Lady, says she
Speaker 6: will attend. My heart drops because this is solidifying my
Speaker 6: fear that I've had since the beginning of this. I've
Speaker 6: been trying to make people aware of the fact that
Speaker 6: this individual is going to be walking amongst us again,
Speaker 6: and it's just now that he's actually going to be
Speaker 6: out in the neighborhood that people are starting to hear
Speaker 6: what I've been saying. Recently, the board dealt with a
Speaker 6: request from the hospitals and increased privileges for mister Lee
Speaker 6: so that the hospital could grant an extended pass to
Speaker 6: reside at a Level five group home in the city
Speaker 6: of Winnipeg. John Stefanyik, chair of the Manitoba Criminal Code
Speaker 6: Review Board. At a hearing at the board in February,
Speaker 6: doctors recommended he moved to a psychiatric unit at Winnipeg's
Speaker 6: Health Sciences Center and with continuous assessment, possibly be allowed
Speaker 6: to move to a Level five group home in Winnipeg.
Speaker 6: It's not known if Lee has yet made the move
Speaker 6: or what the location of the facility where he may
Speaker 6: be staying. Sefanyak said a Level five group home typically
Speaker 6: has twenty four hour staffing, supervision and administration of medication,
Speaker 6: and at the very least, a curfew. Chris Somerville is
Speaker 6: the CEO of the Schizophrenia Society of Canada, Executive director
Speaker 6: of the Schizophrenia Society of Manitoba, and he considers himself
Speaker 6: a friend of Vincent Lee's. He has conducted the only
Speaker 6: interview Vincent Lee has ever granted to media. There's an
Speaker 6: interview with the producers of Vice HBO news program Vice
Speaker 6: and Chris Somerville what is your relationship to Vince Lee
Speaker 6: Chris Somerville. It's been a relationship of rapport and developing
Speaker 6: a friendship, providing self help services to him, peer support service,
Speaker 6: and helping him understand his mental illness. Basically being a
Speaker 6: non therapeutic person for him. Everybody's asking him therapeutic questions.
Speaker 6: He needs somebody that can just talk to him as
Speaker 6: a person one on one. Vince Lee's psychiatrist from the
Speaker 6: Selkirk Mental Hospital, doctor Stephen Kremer, says Lee runs a
Speaker 6: low risk of reoffending once back in the community. What
Speaker 6: does that really mean. It means a psychiatrist does risk assessment.
Speaker 6: What they evaluate is whether or not he has insight
Speaker 6: into his illness, and he does have insight into his illness.
Speaker 6: They also evaluate whether he's compliant with his medication and
Speaker 6: understands the need to take the medication, which he is
Speaker 6: and does. Also, we assess whether he has any addiction problems,
Speaker 6: which he doesn't, and does he have any sociopathic traits
Speaker 6: and he doesn't. He's an ideal patient. He hasn't had
Speaker 6: any altercations with any of the patients since he's been
Speaker 6: at the Selkirk Mental Health Center. For six years, so
Speaker 6: he's really an ideal patient. How can psychiatrists be sure
Speaker 6: that Lee will not kill again once he's back in
Speaker 6: the community. They do that risk assessment and they do
Speaker 6: the best they can. We know that recidivism rates are
Speaker 6: very low, and they do psychological exams. His chances of
Speaker 6: reoffending are less than one percent. On average, people who
Speaker 6: are released from the forensic unit who are found not
Speaker 6: criminally responsible RECIDIVM rates are about seven and a half percent.
Speaker 6: Mister Lee's is less than one percent because he's doing
Speaker 6: so well. When Lee is reintegrated into community, what kind
Speaker 6: of system will be in place ensure he's taking his medication?
Speaker 6: Chris Somerville. He will probably be released conditionally, which means
Speaker 6: there will be conditions on his discharge. That means where
Speaker 6: he will live, who he will hang out with, who
Speaker 6: he has to meet, and staying away from the victim's family.
Speaker 6: He'll be monitor in terms of his medication through regular appointments.
Speaker 6: What happens if Lee stops taking his medication after he's released, Well,
Speaker 6: he's learning how to monitor that, just like how with
Speaker 6: the Schizophrenia Society of Canada we teach patients how to
Speaker 6: know when there's warning signs that they might be deteriorating.
Speaker 6: Where there's beginning signs of psychosis. You just don't become
Speaker 6: psychotic in a moment or overnight. There's warning signs that
Speaker 6: build up to it. He will learn those warning signs,
Speaker 6: just like people who learn how to manage their chronic illnesses.
Speaker 6: People have other chronic illnesses, Parkinson's, epilepsy ms, they learn
Speaker 6: their signs and symptoms. Mister Lee will learn them as well.
Speaker 6: He has learned that, and he'll know when he needs
Speaker 6: to check with his doctor. He won't be psychotic at
Speaker 6: that point. He'll just realize he needs additional help. Should
Speaker 6: members of his soon to be community be afraid of Lee? No,
Speaker 6: I don't think people in the community should be afraid
Speaker 6: of him. I have a brother with schizophrenia, and if
Speaker 6: he was doing as well as Vince Lee, that would
Speaker 6: be great. He laughs. Why has the public responded so
Speaker 6: negatively to the idea of Lee's release. The primary reason
Speaker 6: they are up in arms about it or alarmed about
Speaker 6: it is because of the brutal nature of how mister
Speaker 6: Lee killed Tim McLean. If he had just shot him,
Speaker 6: we wouldn't even be talking. It was a unique, one
Speaker 6: of a kind, first ever type murdering Canada, which Lee
Speaker 6: ate Tim McClain's body parts. Secondly, the public is concerned
Speaker 6: about his release because well, they say, how do you
Speaker 6: make sure? How do you guarantee? They just stay on
Speaker 6: his medication. What does the public's response to the idea
Speaker 6: of Lee's potential release say about how we the public
Speaker 6: treat people with mental illness. It tells it that the
Speaker 6: Canadian public number one is not informed about the review Board,
Speaker 6: what it does, and the risk assessment process. They are
Speaker 6: not informed about the statistics about reciptivism rates and that
Speaker 6: those statistics are very low. It also tells us that
Speaker 6: many people do not believe in the concept of not
Speaker 6: criminally responsible. In other words, they don't believe in such
Speaker 6: a designation. They believe that if you kill somebody like
Speaker 6: Tim McLain the way that Vince Lee did, that it
Speaker 6: was a criminal act and criminally responsible. They don't believe
Speaker 6: in the designation NCR because of a mental disorder that
Speaker 6: perpetuates stigma. So it buys into people's fears in their
Speaker 6: own social prejudice. It confirms their stigmas that they've seen
Speaker 6: on television or Hollywood movies. Because most people portrayed as
Speaker 6: mentally ill in Hollywood movies or even children's cartoons. Most
Speaker 6: of these are portrayed as being violent and untreatable. People
Speaker 6: watch television and it simply confirms of them. These people
Speaker 6: are looney tunes, crazy psychos that do not ever recover.
Speaker 6: You're not going to explain mental illness to people like
Speaker 6: that who don't understand the science about mental illness. It's
Speaker 6: fruitless to try to convince them. Heidi Rimke, an associate
Speaker 6: professor of sociology at the University of Winnipeg, agrees societal
Speaker 6: prejudices play a significant role in the demonization of Vincent Lee.
Speaker 6: Rimky has written extensively about Lee and how his case
Speaker 6: relates to the broader trend she calls blood lust justice.
Speaker 6: It's a term she uses to articulate capitalizing on the emotional,
Speaker 6: especially fear, resentment, paranoia, and anger. Rimki says the media's
Speaker 6: handling of the case contributes to the heated rhetoric surrounding Lee,
Speaker 6: and argues that experts on the subject are not included
Speaker 6: in the discussion. But who do they put on the
Speaker 6: mainstream media? The mother There's a reason why victims' families
Speaker 6: don't participate in the justice process. They're biased. Rimky says,
Speaker 6: I'm not saying don't let her speak, but be measured.
Speaker 6: It's irresponsible. At a hearing at the board in February,
Speaker 6: doctors recommend Vincent Lee be moved to a psychiatric unit
Speaker 6: at Winnipeg's Health Sciencest Center and, with continuous assessment, possibly
Speaker 6: be allowed to move to a Level five group home
Speaker 6: in Winnipeg. It's not known of Lee as yet made
Speaker 6: the move or the location of the facility where he
Speaker 6: may be staying. A Level five group home typically has
Speaker 6: twenty four hour staffing, supervision and administration of medication, and
Speaker 6: at the very least oc curfew. Even listening to true murder,
Speaker 6: I mean talking about the Greyhound bus cannibal killer. The
Speaker 6: definition of insanity