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He departed Edmonton at 76 00:04:47.560 --> 00:04:51.639 twelve oh one am on July thirtieth, two thousand and eight, 77 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:58.079 on board Greyhound Bus eleven seventy to Winnipeg via the 78 00:04:58.160 --> 00:05:04.040 Yellowhead Highway through Sascna. He sat at the rear, one 79 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:08.439 row ahead of the washroom. At around seven pm, the 80 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:12.600 bus left from a stop in Ericsson, Manitoba, with a 81 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:20.360 new passenger, Vince Wiguang Lee. Tim McClain sent a text 82 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:23.680 message around seven thirty pm to his father, Tim Senior, 83 00:05:24.600 --> 00:05:27.920 as the bus was leaving Brandon, the last leg of 84 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:32.279 its journey, to ask whether he could come there for 85 00:05:32.319 --> 00:05:35.319 the night. His father was happy to hear from him 86 00:05:35.360 --> 00:05:38.240 and texted back to his son that of course he could. 87 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:44.279 Vince Wiguang Lie was born April thirtieth, nineteen sixty eight, 88 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:49.680 in Dandong and grew up in northeastern China in the 89 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:54.560 province of Laoning, living with an older brother, a younger sister, 90 00:05:54.600 --> 00:06:01.800 and his parents. In nineteen ninety two, Lee graduated from 91 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:06.240 the University of Wuhan Institute of Technology with a Bachelor 92 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:10.160 of Science degree in computers, and from nineteen ninety four 93 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.279 to nineteen ninety eight he worked in Beijing as a 94 00:06:13.279 --> 00:06:19.759 computer software engineer. Lee and his wife Anna, immigrated to 95 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:24.319 Canada on June eleventh, two thousand and one. Lee had 96 00:06:24.360 --> 00:06:26.920 studied as a computer engineer for four years in China, 97 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:29.920 but could not immediately find a job in his field 98 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:35.920 in Canada. Lee was hospitalized in early two thousand and 99 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:39.120 four after an incident where he was picked up by 100 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:43.639 Ontario Provincial police who found him walking along a highway 101 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:48.120 following the sun on order from God. He was hospitalized 102 00:06:48.160 --> 00:06:53.959 briefly but never sought medical help afterwards. He worked in 103 00:06:54.000 --> 00:06:57.120 Winnipeg at Grant Memorial Church as a caretaker for six 104 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:00.680 months later that year in two thousand and four, he 105 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.639 seemed happy to have a good job and was committed 106 00:07:03.639 --> 00:07:07.199 to doing it well despite a language barrier he encountered 107 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:11.839 with other congregation members. There were no incidents, however, but 108 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:15.040 quit Lee quit the job in the spring of two 109 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:18.720 thousand and five. He also worked in Winnipeg as a 110 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:25.759 forklift operator. While his work, his wife worked as a waitress. 111 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:29.399 Lee moved to Edmonton in two thousand and six, abruptly 112 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:33.079 leaving his wife alone in Winnipeg. She joined him later 113 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:37.279 that year. He became a Canadian citizen on November seventh 114 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:42.199 of that year. His jobs included a supervisor at mc 115 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:48.000 donald's restaurant, a newspaper carrier, an employee at Meatland Foods, 116 00:07:48.040 --> 00:07:51.680 and at wal Mart. He was prone to unexplain absences 117 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:54.560 from work and sometimes took long road trips on the 118 00:07:54.600 --> 00:07:59.600 bus while offering friends and family members long rum rambling talks. 119 00:08:00.560 --> 00:08:02.839 Lee's former wife said he used to be gone for 120 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:07.399 long periods of time, he took unexplained bus trips and 121 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:12.000 sometimes rambled. Despite the urging of those clothes to him, 122 00:08:12.000 --> 00:08:18.079 he refused to seek medical treatment. At the end of June, 123 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:21.720 he was fired from Walmart following a disagreement with other employees. 124 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.879 Shortly after, Lee asked for time off from his new 125 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:30.879 delivery job to go to Winnipeg for another job interview. 126 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:36.399 At approximately twelve thirty a m. On Tuesday, July twenty ninth, 127 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:41.320 two thousand and eight, Lee boarded a Greyhound bus in Edmonton, Alberta, 128 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:45.879 heading to thunder Bay via Winnipeg. He purchased his ticket 129 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:50.519 under the name of Wong Pent. He did not notify 130 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:53.320 his ex wife that he was leaving nor what his 131 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:57.679 destination was. He did leave her a note stating I'm gone, 132 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.720 don't look for me. I wish you were happy. Before 133 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:04.639 the trip, he bought a very large knife at a 134 00:09:04.639 --> 00:09:09.559 Canadian tire store. On July twenty ninth, round six pm, 135 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.320 Lee got off the bus in Ericson, Manitoba, with at 136 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:18.080 least three pieces of luggage. Although the bus driver, Patrick Delbridge, 137 00:09:18.120 --> 00:09:20.320 tried to advise him that it was not his stop, 138 00:09:21.720 --> 00:09:24.960 Lee stayed the night awake, sitting on a bench next 139 00:09:24.960 --> 00:09:29.399 to a grocery store. He spent twenty four hours in Ericson, 140 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:32.039 as there was only one bus per day stopping in 141 00:09:32.080 --> 00:09:35.840 the community. During that time, he disposed of most of 142 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:41.279 his personal assets by either selling them or burning them. 143 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.039 On the morning of July thirtieth, still at the bench, 144 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:47.360 he sold his new laptop computer to a fifteen year 145 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:53.240 old boy, Darren Beatty, for sixty dollars. Lee had made 146 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:57.600 a sign asking for six hundred dollars, but Darren talked 147 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:03.840 him down somehow to sixty dollars. Shortly before six p m. 148 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:06.919 Lee boarded the bus heading to Winnipeg carrying Tim mc 149 00:10:06.960 --> 00:10:11.159 lean and thirty five other passengers. Tim mcclan got off 150 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:14.080 the bus for a cigarette break between Brandon and Portage 151 00:10:14.080 --> 00:10:18.440 Lo Prairie. Lee, forty years old, a tall man with 152 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:22.200 a shaved head and sunglasses, originally sat near the front 153 00:10:22.200 --> 00:10:25.000 of the bus, but moved to sit next to mc 154 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:29.919 lean following the rest stop. Mc Lean barely acknowledged Lee 155 00:10:30.639 --> 00:10:34.440 and proceeded to fall asleep against the windowpane headphones on. 156 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:39.399 Mc clan was slim and fit, five foot five and 157 00:10:39.480 --> 00:10:47.519 around one hundred and twenty five pounds. At around eight 158 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:51.639 thirty p m. Greyhound Bus eleven seventy was approximately twelve 159 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:55.840 miles west of Portage Lo Prairie on the trans Canaona 160 00:10:55.919 --> 00:11:01.000 Highway when a passenger sitting one row ahead heard a 161 00:11:01.000 --> 00:11:04.720 blood curdling scream and turned around to see Lee standing 162 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:07.919 over mc lean, stabbing him repeatedly in the neck and 163 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:12.360 chest with a huge Rambo type knife. Tim mc lean 164 00:11:12.519 --> 00:11:15.080 fought hard and tried his best to escape, but couldn't 165 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:19.480 as Lee was blocking the aisle. Lee was preoccupied with 166 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:22.399 mc lean by now and continued to stab him as 167 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:25.440 he lay on the floor. He paid no attention to 168 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.200 the other passengers as the bus was vacated, and he peered, 169 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.399 oblivious to the demands of bus driver Bruce Martin that 170 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:36.159 he stopped stabbing mc lean. After everyone had run from 171 00:11:36.159 --> 00:11:38.200 the vehicle, Lee came to the front of the bus 172 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:41.559 and tried to escape. The bus driver was able to 173 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.960 close the door on Lee's arm with the bloody knife extended. 174 00:11:47.519 --> 00:11:50.279 Lee pulled his arm back into the bus and returned 175 00:11:50.320 --> 00:11:52.799 to the rear, where he continued defiling the body of 176 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:59.919 Tim mc lean. Martin called nine one one. Bernie Skyro, 177 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:03.799 driver of a second Greyhound bus that was following Greyhound 178 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:08.240 Bus eleven seventy to carry the passenger overload, realized that 179 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:10.799 there was something very unusual in the fashion that driver 180 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:17.639 Martin pulled over and abruptly stopped. Mister Circrup stopped his 181 00:12:17.679 --> 00:12:20.159 bus on the shoulder right in front of the Greyhound 182 00:12:20.159 --> 00:12:24.840 bus eleven seventy circrup observed Lee at the back of 183 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:27.639 the bus and entered the bus yelling repeatedly for Lee 184 00:12:27.679 --> 00:12:32.360 to stop the attack. Lee responded by stating get emergency. 185 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:37.639 As script stared, Lee was severing the head of Tim 186 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:41.960 McLain sickrip left the bus as he realized McLean was 187 00:12:42.000 --> 00:12:45.919 dead and couldn't be saved. Lee traveled to the front 188 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:48.159 of the bus, now holding the severed head of Tim 189 00:12:48.240 --> 00:12:51.559 McClain in one hand and a black handled knife in 190 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:56.320 the other. The bus door was closed and barricaded by 191 00:12:56.320 --> 00:13:00.360 a truck driver who had pulled over to assist. Shortly after, 192 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:05.440 PM ken Barker and other RCMP officers responded to a 193 00:13:05.480 --> 00:13:08.919 call about a man brandishing a knife on a Greyhound 194 00:13:08.960 --> 00:13:13.120 bus on the Trans Canada Highway near Portage Lo Prairie. 195 00:13:13.360 --> 00:13:16.759 Upon our CMP arrival, a police vehicle was parked against 196 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:19.039 the door to the bus to prevent Lee from exiting. 197 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:24.320 They arrived to find Lee being prevented from escaping by 198 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.120 another passenger, the bus driver, and a truck driver who 199 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:32.559 had provided a crowbarn and a hammer as weapons. The 200 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:35.200 other passengers were huddled at the roadside, some of them 201 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:39.080 crying and others vomiting. At one point, Lee was fiddling 202 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.360 with the bus controls, trying to open the door so 203 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:45.360 that he could exit. The bus driver scrap cut the power. 204 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.440 Lee threw the head of Tim McClain into the stair 205 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:51.559 roll and returned to the back of the bus and 206 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:57.600 continued to mutilate the body of Tim mcclan. RCMP Corporal 207 00:13:57.639 --> 00:13:59.919 Harder attempted to communicate with Lee and asked him to 208 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:02.960 dropped the knife out of a small window located in 209 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:07.080 the bathroom at the rear of the bus. Lee's only 210 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.600 response was words to the effect that he had to 211 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:16.360 stay on the bus forever. As officers watched, Lee continued 212 00:14:16.360 --> 00:14:18.360 to mutilate both the body and the head and the 213 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:22.039 face of Tim McLane, using both a huge knife and 214 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:26.159 a pair of scissors. Constable Brown and Corporal Smith witnessed 215 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:29.080 Lee's smell and then eat pieces of Tim mcclan's flesh 216 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:33.519 and licked blood from his fingers and hands. Lee carried 217 00:14:33.559 --> 00:14:37.039 mclan's internal organs and various body parts throughout the bus. 218 00:14:37.879 --> 00:14:40.120 He grabbed McLean's head from the stair while holding it 219 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:47.720 by the hair and shaking the decapitated head, taunting police. 220 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:52.840 At approximately one twenty am four hours after the attack 221 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.399 July thirty, first, Lee broke a window on the bus 222 00:14:57.440 --> 00:15:00.399 and threw out some personal belongings, a knife, kife, and 223 00:15:00.440 --> 00:15:03.279 a pair of scissors. He then jumped out of the 224 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:07.960 bus headfirst, landing on top of the knife. He was struggling, screaming, 225 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.960 and refused to surrender his hands. Fully stunned him with 226 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:15.159 a taser numerous times before he surrendered his hands and 227 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:20.879 could be handcuffed and taken to a police vehicle. Found 228 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:24.960 in Lee's pants pocket was a plastic bag containing Tim 229 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:31.759 McLean's ear, nose and tongue. Lee blood smeared around his 230 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:35.600 mouth and on his face, pleaded with police. I'm sorry, 231 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:45.519 I'm guilty, Please kill me. The internal organs were recovered 232 00:15:46.120 --> 00:15:50.240 in plastic bags in four separate areas of the bus. 233 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:53.159 The tip of the blade was found in the Clean's 234 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:56.679 skull in the forehead area, just above the inner aspect 235 00:15:56.720 --> 00:16:03.480 of the right eyebrow. Timklaian's eyes were missing, as well 236 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:07.840 as a good portion of his heart and were presumed 237 00:16:08.519 --> 00:16:17.399 eden Vincent. Lee was formally arrested. The story reverberated throughout 238 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:22.799 the world, disgusting, shocking, and horrifying everyone that heard or 239 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:28.559 read about the incredible killing. Days later, when he appeared 240 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:31.879 in a Portage Leperirie courthouse on charges of second degree murder, 241 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:35.720 the only words Lee uttered were pleased for someone to 242 00:16:35.840 --> 00:16:43.240 kill him. The second degree murder trial of Vincent Lee 243 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:48.639 began on March third, two thousand and nine. Although Lee 244 00:16:48.759 --> 00:16:51.679 had admitted his guilt officers that night in two thousand 245 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:57.879 and eight, Lee pleaded not guilty. His lawyers argued that 246 00:16:57.960 --> 00:17:03.120 he was not criminally response because he was mentally ill. 247 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:15.839 At trial, a psychiatrist said that Lee believed the voice 248 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:20.759 of God was telling him to do it. The court 249 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:24.160 heard that Vincent Lee believed the voice of God was 250 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:28.160 telling him to kill mister McLain and that by mutilating 251 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:30.519 his body and eating parts of the flesh, he would 252 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:35.960 prevent him from coming back to life. The voice told 253 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:39.480 Lee to get on the bus and sixth next to 254 00:17:39.519 --> 00:17:44.279 Tim mclan. Doctor Stanley Yarn told Lee's second degree murder 255 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:50.720 trial jury. Yarron is the head of Manitoba's forensic psychiatry program, 256 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:54.319 and he said Lee was delusional, believing God had told 257 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:58.319 him to board the bus carrying a concealed knife. Yarin 258 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:03.039 said it appeared Lee beside McLain merely because the young 259 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:10.599 man offered him a friendly greeting. A voice from God 260 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:13.240 told him mister McLain was a force of evil and 261 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:18.039 about to execute him. Yeron told a judge Lee believed 262 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:22.200 he had to act quickly to protect himself in response 263 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:24.720 to that, in a state of panic and fearful for 264 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:28.440 his own life, he carried out the acts that he did. 265 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:32.480 But Lee believed the twenty two year old McLain was 266 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:36.559 still capable of coming back to life, so he continued 267 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:40.119 to mutilate the body and scattered the parts around the bus. 268 00:18:42.599 --> 00:18:46.319 Mister Lee did not understand he was killing an innocent bystander. 269 00:18:47.200 --> 00:18:53.359 He did not understand his actions were wrong. Yarran said 270 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.519 Lee is still psychotic and believes it's just a matter 271 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:01.000 of time before God kills him. He continues to have 272 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:06.519 hallucinations and hear voices, but is on strong antipsychotic medication. 273 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.480 Vincent Lee is as much a victim as Tim McLain, 274 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:19.599 the psychiatrist, stated, it would be in some sense easier 275 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:23.599 if mister Lee was an antisocial psychopath with a history 276 00:19:23.640 --> 00:19:28.240 of malicious behavior, but he isn't that. He is as 277 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:32.640 I've come to know him a decent person again. He 278 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:35.920 is as much a victim of this horrendous illness as 279 00:19:35.960 --> 00:19:40.720 mister McLain was a victim. No one who witnessed the 280 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.480 horror was called to testify other than the two psychiatrists. 281 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:50.359 McLean's family and friends, many wearing t shirts with his 282 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:54.240 picture on them, wept openly as the grisly details were 283 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:59.039 read out in court. Tim mclan's mother, Carol D. Daley, 284 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:03.480 has said she wants the law change, though anyone found 285 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:08.279 not criminally responsible for a crime still serves time behind bars. 286 00:20:09.720 --> 00:20:13.519 Carol de Daily told CBC News prior to the trial 287 00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:17.079 that she does not want to see Lee ever released 288 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:23.960 from custody, but legal experts say the not criminally responsible 289 00:20:24.039 --> 00:20:26.920 defense is rarely used and it doesn't mean the criminal 290 00:20:26.960 --> 00:20:32.359 walks away Scott free. Herein told the courts that Lee 291 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:35.240 was briefly hospitalized in two thousand and four after he 292 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:38.039 was picked up by Ontario Provincial police who found him 293 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:41.839 walking along a highway following the sun on order from God. 294 00:20:42.839 --> 00:20:46.160 He was, however, not diagnosed as a schizophrenic at that time, 295 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:50.920 nor was he prescribed medication, and he did not contact 296 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:57.759 mental health officials afterwards. At trial, doctor Jonathan Rutenberg said 297 00:20:58.359 --> 00:21:01.279 Vincent Lee was psychotic and was in no state to 298 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:04.880 tell the difference between right and wrong. The attack was 299 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:07.079 sudden and came as Lee caught a glimpse of the 300 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:10.720 sunlight and heard God's voice telling him that McLain was 301 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:15.599 a threat. The voice said, do it now. If you don't, 302 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:22.359 he's going to kill you now. Two days later, on 303 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:29.759 March fifth, two thousand and nine. Trial lasted two days 304 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:33.440 and heard from only two witnesses. Both were psychiatrists who 305 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:39.599 testified Lee suffered and suffers from schizophrenia. They testified Lee 306 00:21:39.680 --> 00:21:43.240 heard what he thought was the voice of God a 307 00:21:43.240 --> 00:21:47.440 little over a year ago, telling him to mckill McLain 308 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:55.480 or resk killing being killed himself. Vincent Lee was found 309 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:58.640 not criminally responsible for the gruesome murder and beheading of 310 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:02.960 Tim McClain on a Greyhound bus in summer of two 311 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:10.599 thousand and eight. These grotesque acts are appalling. Justice John 312 00:22:10.680 --> 00:22:15.359 Schofield said in Thursday's ruling, However, the acts themselves, in 313 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:19.839 the context in which they were committed, are strongly suggestive 314 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:24.240 of a mental disorder. He did not appreciate the act 315 00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:27.640 he committed was morally wrong. He believed he was acting 316 00:22:27.720 --> 00:22:30.240 in self defense and that he had been commanded by 317 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:34.440 God to do so. Both the Crown prosecutor and the 318 00:22:34.519 --> 00:22:37.599 defense agreed that Lee is a schizophrenic who was suffering 319 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:41.079 a psychotic episode when he killed the twenty two year 320 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:46.960 old Tim McLean. Lee was now forty one years old, 321 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:50.319 will now be remanded to a secure psychiatric facility where 322 00:22:50.319 --> 00:22:54.359 he will receive treatment. A review panel will decide in 323 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:57.319 the next six weeks which facility he will be transferred to, 324 00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:00.359 depending on whether he is considered a risk to others 325 00:23:00.640 --> 00:23:04.720 or to himself. His case must also be reviewed on 326 00:23:04.759 --> 00:23:09.519 an annual basis by a mental health review board. The 327 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:12.039 review board will look at police reports from the crime 328 00:23:12.079 --> 00:23:17.359 scene and review transcripts of previous hearings, while also listening 329 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:21.200 to evidence from psychiatrists who will treat Lee about his 330 00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:27.920 current mental condition and his treatment plan. In prognosis, the 331 00:23:28.000 --> 00:23:30.359 public needs to know that when a person is found 332 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:34.680 not criminally responsible, it does not automatically follow that a 333 00:23:34.680 --> 00:23:38.680 person will be released into the community. Judge Scourfield said 334 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:42.960 in his ruling, people who are found not criminally responsible, 335 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:46.519 let who continue to pose a danger to the community. 336 00:23:47.000 --> 00:23:49.720 May be kept in a locked institution for the rest 337 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:55.680 of their lives after the trial. Legal analyst and criminal 338 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:59.359 lawyer Stephen Skirka said the decision shows that the Canadian 339 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:04.559 criminal just system is humane and recognize it that those 340 00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:09.200 in psychotic states cannot distinguish right from wrong. We can't 341 00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:11.240 simply look at the actions. We have to look at 342 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:14.720 his mental state. We don't punish people who don't appreciate 343 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:18.119 the nature and quality of their actions. I think that's 344 00:24:18.119 --> 00:24:22.319 a very positive feature of our system. With the not 345 00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:27.079 criminally responsible declaration, Lee will not have a criminal record, 346 00:24:27.559 --> 00:24:30.680 but on the agreement of both the prosecutor and the defense, 347 00:24:31.440 --> 00:24:34.039 his DNA will be put into a registry so that 348 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:37.359 it will be on file in the event Lee is 349 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:42.640 one day released and is suspected of another crime. Skirka 350 00:24:42.720 --> 00:24:45.519 said it's a responsible position for the defense to take 351 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:54.279 because clearly they're concerned about public safety. While the McLain 352 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:58.839 family knew to expect Thursday's ruling, mclan's mother, Carold Dedlay, 353 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:03.559 says she will push forward with what she calls Tim's Law. 354 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.240 She wants those who are found to be not criminally 355 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.279 responsible to have criminal records and to be treated in prison, 356 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:14.759 not in a mental facility. The Daily told reporters outside 357 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:18.039 the courthouse that NCR should be changed to what she 358 00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:24.400 calls NPA. That would be not psychologically accountable but still 359 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:28.839 criminally responsible because a crime was committed. Here a murder 360 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:33.279 still occurred and not criminally responsible seems to negate that fact. 361 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:39.279 She also wondered why Lee, who was born in China, 362 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:45.000 was granted citizenship even after he had been diagnosed with schizophrenia. 363 00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:49.640 The thing is, though, that he was arrested by police 364 00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:52.400 and hospitalized in two thousand and four for walking towards 365 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:55.240 a son and order from God. However, he was not 366 00:25:55.319 --> 00:26:01.880 diagnosed at that time as schizophrenic. The Lee case brought 367 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:06.960 mental illness, particularly schizophrenia, into the national headlines, and some 368 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:11.759 psychologists say the trial had reinforced the stigma attached to 369 00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:17.799 mental illness. Annette Osted of the College of Registered Nurses 370 00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:21.799 of Manitoba told the c t V that it's time 371 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:25.599 to stop blaming Vincent Lee and start searching for answers 372 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:29.400 about what went wrong in the health system. His illness 373 00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:33.799 left untreated caused this horrific event. Now why was it 374 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:37.119 left untreated? She asked that's the fact that we have 375 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:43.720 to look at as a society. Doctor Richard Shore says 376 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:47.440 that schizophrenias schizophrenics have more to fear from society than 377 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:51.000 vice versa. He said, the majority of people with illness 378 00:26:51.119 --> 00:26:55.359 do not act violently. It's rare for schizophrenics to express 379 00:26:55.480 --> 00:27:02.000 outward aggression. They are usually more isolated. Mary Alberty of 380 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:05.880 the Schizophrenia Society of Ontario said that with Tim's Law, 381 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:09.279 we understand why the family would take that viewpoint, but 382 00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:13.440 we also know based on experience at the Schizophrenia Society, 383 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:17.880 that the outcomes with treatment can be very good. With 384 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:22.400 proper treatment, mister Lee will have greater insight into his disease. 385 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:25.559 But having said that, we have to remember schizophrenia and 386 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:29.599 psychosis are characterized by having a lack of insight that 387 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:33.559 they are ill, she said, But with proper treatment and support, 388 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:38.759 we believe people can recover from schizophrenia. Tim McClain's family 389 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:43.400 lobbied for changes to the criminal code, pushing for victim 390 00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:49.359 protection legislation they called Tim's Law, and by signing the 391 00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:52.960 petition for Tim's Law, people were showing support for a 392 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:57.519 dialogue that weighs the rights of all sides of the discussion. 393 00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.200 The proposal led corgislation would prevent a person found not 394 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:05.319 criminally responsible of a crime from being released into the community. 395 00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:08.839 It would mean that the most violent, unpredictable people who 396 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.079 have committed a crime would face incarceration for life with 397 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:18.039 no possibility of release. During this time, Carol did the 398 00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.319 lay found work cleaning houses at night. She also had 399 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.000 to give that up to help care for her grandkids, 400 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:32.000 including her own, Tim McClane's child, who was born five 401 00:28:32.079 --> 00:28:37.880