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United States. And before we talk about games, we have

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to talk about the obvious big story in conference realignment,

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and that is the PAC twelve adding Boise State, Colorado State,

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Fresno State as well and San Diego State. And you know,

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one of the concerns with the PAC twelve I'm sure

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is that it doesn't want to be a glorified Mountain West,

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but right now it's a glorified Mountain West. Now, obviously

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Memphis is becoming a very central target for the Pac twelve.

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Yukon has also been part of the discussion, and an

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interesting idea that's been floated is that maybe Yukon gets

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invited just for football, right because you know, Yukon basketball,

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no way, no way, Yukon basketball leaves the Big East

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where it's fully at home to go play with Colorado State,

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Fresno State, San Diego State, and and and this new

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PAC twelve configuration with of course, you know, Washington State

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and Oregon State as the two pillars now trying to

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add to their membership. So Yukon basketball would not go,

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but Yukon football that's a possibility. You don't you don't

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have to travel nearly as much over the course of

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a season like that. That seems I won't say likely,

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but it does seem at least plausible. Now the Big

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it's interesting where that might go. But Yukon for football only,

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and then Yukon stays in the Big East or maybe

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goes into the Big Twelve for basketball, like it would

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probably it's probably the case that Yukon basketball just going

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to stay in the Big East. It's such a good fit.

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Dan Herley's having all the the success there, Like, why

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would you want to leave? Why would you want to

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mess that up? Why would you want to not have

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the Big East Tournament at Madison Square? Guard that it's

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basically just a suburb of stores U when when Yukon

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plays in the Big East tournament. So I don't I

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don't get why Yukon would want to leave the Big

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East in basketball, but football, it's that's an intriguing possibility.

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Another obvious plot point to come from the PAC twelve's movement,

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you know, inviting only those four Mountain West schools, why

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not also un l V. Right, you want to have

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the Vegas market, So why didn't you and LV just

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come on board with those other four Mountain West schools?

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And you know, the PAC twelve Championship game football championship

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game was played in Las Vegas the past few years,

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the PAC twelve tournament's been in Vegas, so why not

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invite un l V right now? And and you know

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UNLV coming to board with Memphis as like a two

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team announcement maybe, but but I still don't get why

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you just don't onboard UNLV right away. I'm not seeing

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the specific strategy in terms of waiting to bring aboard UNLV.

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the PAC twelve and you don't want to be seen

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as as a glorified Mountain West, basically Mountain West two

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point zero, why not invite Memphis and a few other

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schools outside the West. Why not invite those schools first

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and then you come in with the Mountain West schools,

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so that that is one chess move that you know

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you would you would think if the PAC twelve wants

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to be very intentional about its branding and its identity

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and like, oh, we're not just the reconfigured Mountain West,

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well why didn't you just put Memphis in first? Why

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didn't you land agreements with some AAC schools American Athletic

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group of Mountain West schools. Not to be clear, like

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you want Southern California, San Diego State definitely always made

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sense for the PAC twelve Paleril State gives you, you know,

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the Denver market or at least you know, close to Denver,

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the football branding. I mean, all four of those schools

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bigger picture, the fact that this is happening now, it

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does raise the question, why couldn't this have simply happened

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a year ago? Why couldn't this have been done in

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San Diego State. You know, San Diego State definitely wanted

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the PAC twelve. And if the PAC twelve had engineered

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a deal to bring in San Diego State before June thirtieth,

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well by or before June thirtieth, twenty twenty three, San

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Diego State would have had to pay only roughly seventeen

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million dollars in exit fees instead of thirty four after

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of now? It just reinforces how badly the PAC twelve

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CEO group, George Klavkov, played their cards. You know, if

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twenty three, then maybe Colorado doesn't leave. But even if

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as the replacement, as the buffer, then maybe you don't

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see Washington and Oregon scattered to the Big ten, and

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you don't see the four Corners schools Arizona, Arizona State,

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Utah also go away, you know, leaving for the Big twelve,

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the pack the Pac twelve's lack of foresight and the

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lack of an ability to see chess moves in advance

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and to create buffers, to create cushions, to create contingencies

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against the scattering of the conference. Like you know, now

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you're going to have a conference with you know, these

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four Mountain West schools, Memphis, maybe Texas, San Antonio, UTSA,

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and all right, it's a conference and you're going to

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have a seat at the table in terms of you know,

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trying for college football playoff qualification. But it's not going

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to be as good as it would have been with

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Oregon and Washington staying and with Utah and Arizona and

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Arizona State staying. All this could have been done in

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June of twenty twenty three, fourteen fifteen months ago. So

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all of this does reinforce one last time, how brutally

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awful the pack pub was at strategy, at finalizing deals,

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at having a realistic sense of what was and wasn't available.

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So fresh drama in the PAC twelve and in the

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Western United States relative to college sports realignment. We had

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to talk about that here on off my pylon. And

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it will be interesting to see what happens next. You know,

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air Force is being courted by the AAC. Other dominoes

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you know, could be about to fall. We will obviously

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keep you posted. We will obviously discuss any fresh developments

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that occur from week to week in the Western United States.

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All right, now, let's get to football. And so we're

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coming up on USC Michigan this weekend in the Big Ten.

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In terms of looking ahead, that's the big focus for

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Western teams. USC with a big opportunity Michigan changing quarterbacks,

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Davis Warren out Alex org In. Orgie was supposed to

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be the starter for most of the offseason, that was

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the way things seem to be trending. But Davis Warren

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got the job for opening day. In the first few games,

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did not play well against Texas, did not play well

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against Arkansas State, Turollmore makes the obvious necessary decision to

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go to alex Org. It's going to be interesting to

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see what Michigan's offense looks like in terms of how

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what the run pass mix is. You know, Warren was

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the throwing quarterback and Orgy would come in for a

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few specific plays, and everyone in the ballpark knew they

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were going to be running plays well. So with Orgy

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now being the starter, he's going to have to throw

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the ball. He's gonna have to show that he can

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throw the ball. USC's gonna load up against the run

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and Michigan's ability to establish some degree of balance on offense.

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That is a central key for Michigan in terms of

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being able to win the game. The other really central

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key to this game USC's offensive line against Michigan's defensive line. Now,

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how good is USC's offensive line don't really know. Did

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a decent job against LSU, not spectacular, but decent. Protected

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Miller Moss long enough for Moss to make important throws,

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especially late in the game. But us he could not

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run block against LSU's defensive front. It was not USC's

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offensive line did not clearly have the up hand. I

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wouldn't say USC got out played either. I think the

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matchup was fundamentally a draw. But that was good enough

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for USC in the passing game. It wasn't good enough

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in the running game. Michigan's defensive front got bullied by Texas.

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Now Texas looks like the real deal. Texas, in my mind,

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should be ranked number one. With Georgia, you know, barely

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beating Kentucky. Texas should be ranked number one based on

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how it's looked, how it's performed, the competition is faced

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and beaten. So far, Texas might be the best team

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in the country. So the fact that Michigan couldn't handle Texas,

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that might not be an indictment of Michigan, might be

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a reflection on how good Texas is. But this Michigan

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defensive line must must outplay USC's offensive line for the

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Wolverines to have a realistic chance. If USC plays reasonably

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well upfront with its offensive line going up against Michigan's

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defensive front, you know, if Michigan is not clearly winning

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that match up up front, it's just going to be

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hard to see how Michigan creates the turnovers and the

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negative plays that will be needed to really shut down USC.

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You know, US he has not been that clean with

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the ball. Nor Moss has had some passes batted down

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at the line of scrimmage. That was mostly against LSU,

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not so much in the second game against Utah State.

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carpet US. He has not been very clean. And I

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would say that Michigan needs not necessarily at least one turnover.

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turnover that causes a significant swing in points. And I

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think we can all generally agree on what that means.

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Like a red zone turnover that causes us swing in points,

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that's a high impact turnover. USC having third and ten

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in its own thirty five and nor Moss throwing a

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deep getting picked at the Michigan twenty, that's not a

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high impact turnover. That's basically an arm punt in the

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middle of the field. It doesn't really affect whether a

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team could have scored or would have scored. That's not

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a high impact turnover. But turnovers in your own red

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zone or in the opponent's red zone turnovers that clearly

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take away points from USC or ad points to Michigan.

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Michigan will need at least one of those high impact

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turnovers in my estimation, to win this game, or at

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the very least, you know, be right there late in

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the fourth quarter with a chance to win. And I

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think if Michigan can get two high impact turnovers and

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be plus two in turnover differential, then the needle really

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tips to Michigan in terms of being able to win

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this game. I think that that Michigan might not necessarily

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win this game in the sense of, you know, if

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Michigan has to do everything itself, if Michigan has to

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drive seventy five eighty yards against USC's defense, a defense

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which looks very good, Michigan's probably not gonna win. But

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if Michigan gets short fields, if Michigan gets defensive touchdowns,

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if Michigan can block a kick and return it for

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a score, or you know, get set up you know

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deep in USC territory on special teams, those are the

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kinds of things I think Michigan will need to do

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to be able to win the game. If USC basically

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doesn't give this game away, if USC does not make

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big mistakes with turnovers or also special teams breakdowns. If

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USC does not miss any chip shot field goals it

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missed one against LSU near thirty yards in length. If

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USC just doesn't do any stupid stuff on offense or

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special teams and lets the defense win the game and

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Michigan's offense has to go to length of the field

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against the USC defense to score, USC should be in

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good shape. So can the Tropans maintain their composure on

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the road in the big House in an arbor three

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thirty Eastern, twelve thirty Pacific on CBS. That's really the

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test for USC. Maintain composure. That offensive line needs to

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do the job against Michigan's defensive front. And if you're Michigan,

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you need your defensive front to bash in USC's offensive line.

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because USC has so fully addressed the defensive side of

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the ball with its coaching staff changes made by Lincoln

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right with Danton Linn now a defensive coordinator, Eric Henderson

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on the defensive line, matt Ens at linebacker, coach Doug

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Belk and also assistant Taylor Mays, former USC star coaching

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the secondary. I think USC's defense is just not a

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question mark right now. US's defense is like the reliable

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anchor unit of that group, and it's the offensive line

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that is the true lingering question mark. And if USC

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gets good production out of its offensive line, everything else

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should come together for the Trojans this season. And it

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also very much applies to this Saturday's big game at Michigan,

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Wanted to get that look ahead to Week four noted

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for the record here at Get Off my Pilon. But now,

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after a previewing USC Michigan, a game I know you're

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all excited about, let's now go back and review some

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of the storylines from week three. Among Western teams that

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are in various conferences, one place we have to start

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in terms of a week three review is UCLA. Oh Man,

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this could get very ugly, very quickly. It was very ugly.

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On Saturday. Ucla takes a twenty nine point loss to

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Kurt Signetti and a much improved Indiana team, and Indiana

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seems to have hit a home run with Kurt Signetti

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hiring him away from James Madison. Indiana looks really, really good.

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And it's going to be interesting to see Indiana forty

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two UCLA thirteen. How much of that was Indiana being great?

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How much of that was UCLA being awful? My instinct

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at initially both a lot of both. Like I think

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that when Deshaun Foster froze up at Big ten Media Days,

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when he tried to give his speech and just that

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that went horribly for him, a lot of people said, well,

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he's not great at public speaking. He doesn't like that

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part of the job. But you know, you get him

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into like a retail politics situation, just one on one conversationally,

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he's really good. You know, he can recruit, he's well liked,

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he's well respected, and you know he is well liked.

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He is well respected within the UCLA community. But maybe

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that performance at Big ten Media Days wasn't just about

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Deshaun Foster doesn't like public speaking. Maybe it's that he's

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not ready for this. Because UCLA did not seem to

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be ready for Indiana, did not play well against Hawaii,

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was able to squeak through with a three point win

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over a Hawaii team which doesn't appear to be all

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that good if you look at you see l A schedule,

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where are you going to find more than two wins

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over the remainder of this schedule? I have Minnesota at home.

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Minnesota game at home and the Fresno State game at home.

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a win over the in the remainder of its schedule.

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Iowa at home. That doesn't look very good like Iowa,

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Iowa should be able to physically control uh u c

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l A. Iowa Iowa already noted that UCLA has to

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play Oregon. UCLA is playing LSU next on the road.

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Good luck with that. UCLA has to play Penn State.

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Rutgers is a very physical team. That's a game UCLA

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will have to play in New Jersey that doesn't look

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like a game you U c l A is likely

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to win. Nebraska and then of course USC and also

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Washington Washing. The Washington game is on the road in Seattle,

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where you know where you're going to find wins against

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the schedule that tough. UCLA's best case scenario in my

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mind for twenty twenty four is three and nine, and

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that's pretty ugly likely. Result two and ten and one

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and eleven is a possibility because like Minnesota, UCLA that's

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a toss up. Like it's not clearly a game. That's

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not a game UCLA is likely to win. But it's

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a game Ucla can you know, Minnesota is not very good.

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But like, that is a toss up. It's not a

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game where UTLA is going to be favored by five, six,

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seven points, might be favored by two or we'll see

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when we get to that. Because that game is still

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several weeks away. So it's a game UCLA could win.

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It's not a game UCLA is definitely going to win.

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And then Fresno State at home at the end of

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the season, you know who, who knows where we're going

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to be by that point in terms of how UCLA

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and Fresno State have evolved. Ucily is not probably not

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going to be a clear cut favorite in that game either,

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barring injuries to Presno State. So this is all a

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larger way of saying that it's going to be a

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blood bath for Ucilly this year. And when a coach

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has a terrible first year, that second year becomes a

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hot seat year, or at least it easily could become

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a hot seat year. Now, normally coaches get three years

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at programs and I'm sure that the administration at UCLA

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does want to give Deshaun Foster every possible chance to succeed.

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But if this is a two and ten year in

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twenty twenty four, and ucily then goes three and nine

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in two thousand and twenty five, is that gonna be

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enough for Deshaun Foster to get a third season in

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twenty twenty six. I don't think so. I would say

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that if this year does turn into a two and

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ten season for UCLA, Deshaun Foster is gonna need to

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at least go four and eight, and he might need

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to go five and seven to give the brass at

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UCLA the idea that, hey, this program is going in

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the right direction. If UCLA lose wins fewer than four

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games in each of Deshaun Foster's first two seasons, that

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might not be enough. So, like we're we're not on

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a hot seat watch now, in the sense that he's

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gonna have a second season, He's going to coach a

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second season. You know, he's going to be given a

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chance to bounce back from a horrible first year. But

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will he get three years? Will he get that third year?

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If the second year is just about as horrible as

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year one seems likely to be. That's the question. And

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we are now in that territory at UCLA where we're

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not sure if Deshaun Foster is going to get more

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than two years on the job in Westwood. So that's

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a pretty significant story as is. You know, Indiana looking

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like a really good team in the Big Ten. I mean,

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Indiana is gonna go to a bowl game. It's just

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gonna be how how good a bowl can the Hoosiers get?

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Speaker 1: To?

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Speaker 2: Other big stories? We have to go to the Pacific Northwest, right,

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because we had the two rivalry games. We had the

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Apple Cup, we had the Civil War Apple Cup. Washington

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State in Seattle. It wasn't Husky Stadium, they played at

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the Seahawks a stadium, women Field. But still Wazoo goes

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to Seattle beats Jedfish uh and Washington So Jake Dicker

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is really coaching him up at Wazoo. Just an inspiring win,

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a tough win. H Washington State was the better team

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for most of that game. Washington State was consistently leading

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Washington State. Uh, you know controlled play uh in in

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the second half. I mean, so that was that was

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not a Fluke. It's not as though Washington State had

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to make a late come from behind rally. No, it

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was Washington State mostly controlling the second half, uh, you know,

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and and being able to make plays uh uh with

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with you know, a running quarterback and with a defense

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that you know, stood strong. Washington had to kick way

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too many field goals. Washington dinked and dunked, but Wazoo

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had a bend don't break philosophy on defense, and you

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know that has proven to be successful for a lot

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of teams. Like that was how USC played LSU. We're

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gonna give you the short stuff. You're gonna get yards,

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you're gonna get first downs, but you're not gonna get touchdowns. Uh.

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That was Washington State's approach, and it certainly worked against Washington.

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So Jedfish a little turbulence in Seattle. It looks like

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this team is going to be, you know, no better

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than eight and four against the competition that it's that

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it's facing. Obviously, you know, hasn't even played a Big

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ten game yet. But if you can't beat Washington State

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at home does not bode well for the Huskies against

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the Big ten schedule that's coming up. So the drop

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off at Washington is as significant as we thought it

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was going to be. Jedfish not being able to bring

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quarterback Noah Fafita with him from Tucson to Seattle. YEP,

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that failure is proving to be as decisive as we

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thought it would be. You know that Washington was not

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going to be in that nine or ten win range,

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going to be in a lower win range. The Huskies

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are not going to be a significant player in the

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Big Ten this season. They might play spoiler for someone else,

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but in terms of their own title aspirations, and I

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know that the Big Ten schedule hasn't started for them,

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but I think it's pretty clear Washington's not going to

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finish in like the top three or four or five

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of the Big Ten, probably going to finish in the

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middle third of that conference. The other Pacific Northwest rivalry game, well,

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this was the Oregon team we expected to see before

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the season began. Oregon finally looked like Oregon, tremendous on

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both sides of the ball. Dylan Gabriel and the offense

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busted out, the offensive line made significant improvements. Thrashed Oregon

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State on the road, So that has to really make

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everyone a lot calmer in Eugene, Dan Lanning his staff

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credit to them, got a lot of good work done

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this week. I think the only remaining question is, you know,

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how good is Oregon State or maybe how bad is

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Oregon State? Because Oregon State shut out San Diego State,

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it could be that San Diego State is just really,

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really awful. And keep in mind that San Diego State

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struggled for a half against Texas and m Commerce, an

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FCS school struggled in the first half of that game

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before blowing out Commerce in the second half. San Diego

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State's had had a rough go of it in the

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first year under head coach Sean Lewis. It could just

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be at the Aztecs are horrible. So when Oregon State

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shut out the Aztecs the week before the Oregon game,

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maybe that was a lot more about San Diego State

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and the impotence on offense than anything good that Oregon

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State was doing. So that's that's a lingering question in

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terms of measuring the quality of Oregon's win over Oregon State.

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But there is no doubt about the reality that Oregon

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looked like Oregon again, and so the Ducks that have

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in many ways re established themselves at the top of

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the Big Ten as a conference play is about to

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get going the other points of focus. Uh, you know

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Western schools playing in you know, non Pac twelve commerces. Again,

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it's an adjustment. It's gonna take getting used to. But

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so like, we're not covering the Pac twelve so much

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as we're covering the conference that used to be the

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PAC twelve in the various different conferences. So they're the

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Big ten refugees. Now let's deal with the Big twelve refugees.

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So Arizona got it's head handed to it on a

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platter by Kansas State. Kansas State, the far better team,

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Kansas State, the far more physical team. Like that was

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a rude awakening for Arizona. And let's and let's keep

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in mind, Arizona's defense was terrible against New Mexico. Arizona's

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offense was terrible against Northern Arizona. So there were inconsistencies.

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And you can see this coming. Going to Kansas State

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on a Friday night game on the road. Uh, that

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was going to be a heavy lift for Arizona no

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matter what. And you know, getting blown out in the

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second half, that shows just how much work first year

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head coach Brent Brennan has to do. Uh, it's not

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looking good for Arizona in terms of being able to

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match the nine to three to twelve game record that

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last season's team was able to attain. I think if

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you're if you're looking at predicting where Arizona's record is

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gonna gonna land, probably gonna be south of nine and

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three instead of north. So, you know, the Wildcats who

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did lose some of their players to Jedfish in Washington,

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but not all, like it was a mixed back. Some

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went to Seattle, but others such as Noah Pafita, stayed

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in Tucson. But you know, it could just be that

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some of the defections were enough to weaken Arizona. And

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really on a broader level, I think we can say

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that Arizona and Washington are both thus far losers in

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terms of the transfer portal, in terms of the effects

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of Jedfish leaving because he didn't he didn't leave the

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he didn't completely poach Arizona, he didn't gut Arizona's roster

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with a complete exodus to Seattle. Because Brent Brennan was

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able to retain a lot of key players, but Fish

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did take some players with him, so it left Arizona

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somewhat depleted. And Washington didn't get all of the Arizona

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transfers it was hoping for, so the Huckeys have been

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left short of where they wanted to be. So both

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programs are really coming up on the short end as

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a result of the coaching changes that we've seen in

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Seattle and Tucson. Arizona State's unbeaten. Now, it wasn't pretty

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and it was Texas State, and the Texas State's a good,

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feisty group of five team. But Arizona State looked awful

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in the first half, trailed twenty one to seven late

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first half. But credit the Sun Devils, they fought back.

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This is a resilient team. Kenny Dillingham has these guys believing.

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Kenny Dillingham continues to answer doubts. He continues to quiet

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the skeptics such as myself, Arizona State, you might not

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have that high a ceiling this year, but hey, just

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going to a bowl game would be a very good year.

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And ASU is definitely on track to make a bowl.

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Now three to zero on the season, Now we do

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have to say However, that some of the two of

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the other two ASU wins in addition to Texas State,

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they don't look as good right now. The win over

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Wyoming looked really solid initially. Wyoming then lost to Idaho

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of the FCS at home, and Wyoming then got blown

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out at home by BYU, So Wyoming could actually be

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really bad this season. And ASU's other win was over

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Mississippi State, and Mississippi State just got dump trucked. Now

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it didn't, didn't just lose got blown out at home

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by Toledo, So Mississippi State could be horrible. So ASU

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still having a really good year at three and zero

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headed to a bowl game most likely, but ASU's competition

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might have been a lot worse than any of us thought.

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Utah goes into Logan and wins a rivalry game against

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Utah State, and you could say, hey, Utah State lost

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to USC by forty eight points. Of course, Utah was

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supposed to win this game, but let's remember Cam Rising

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did not play, and so that made this game a

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little bit tenuous. So Utah handled its business. That's a

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better win than you might think for Kyle Winningham And

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we'll see if Kim Rising can play against Oklahoma State.

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As the youths now move into the Big Twelve portion

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of their schedule, that's going to be an obvious talking

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point for the youths. So it's a very interesting world

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in western college football in the United States with the

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PAC twelve refugees in the Big Ten that we've talked about,

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the PAC twelve refugees in the Big twelve, and Washington

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State and Jake Dickert, you know, who are about to

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welcome several new schools from the Mountain West into the

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new look PAC twelve and twenty twenty six. Jake Dickert

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is certainly elevating his national profile, his his coaching stock

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is rising, and you know, the Florida jobs going to

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open up. I think that you know, I've seen Jamie Chadwell,

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the head coach of Liberty One, being one prominent name

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for that job in Gainesville. Because it's almost certain that

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the billion napier is not going to survive this year.

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But it's going to be interesting to see where Jake

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Dickard of Washington State comes in for the coaching carousel

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and what his place in the carousel this December is

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going to be because he is certainly pointing that arrow upward.

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What he's doing at Washington State in a very difficult situation.

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Jake Dickard definitely making a name for himself. Our show,

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