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United States. And before we talk about games, we have
to talk about the obvious big story in conference realignment,
and that is the PAC twelve adding Boise State, Colorado State,
Fresno State as well and San Diego State. And you know,
one of the concerns with the PAC twelve I'm sure
is that it doesn't want to be a glorified Mountain West,
but right now it's a glorified Mountain West. Now, obviously
Memphis is becoming a very central target for the Pac twelve.
Yukon has also been part of the discussion, and an
interesting idea that's been floated is that maybe Yukon gets
invited just for football, right because you know, Yukon basketball,
no way, no way, Yukon basketball leaves the Big East
where it's fully at home to go play with Colorado State,
Fresno State, San Diego State, and and and this new
PAC twelve configuration with of course, you know, Washington State
and Oregon State as the two pillars now trying to
add to their membership. So Yukon basketball would not go,
but Yukon football that's a possibility. You don't you don't
have to travel nearly as much over the course of
a season like that. That seems I won't say likely,
but it does seem at least plausible. Now the Big
Twelve and Yukon have had some conversations, so you know,
it's interesting where that might go. But Yukon for football only,
and then Yukon stays in the Big East or maybe
goes into the Big Twelve for basketball, like it would
probably it's probably the case that Yukon basketball just going
to stay in the Big East. It's such a good fit.
Dan Herley's having all the the success there, Like, why
would you want to leave? Why would you want to
mess that up? Why would you want to not have
the Big East Tournament at Madison Square? Guard that it's
basically just a suburb of stores U when when Yukon
plays in the Big East tournament. So I don't I
don't get why Yukon would want to leave the Big
East in basketball, but football, it's that's an intriguing possibility.
Another obvious plot point to come from the PAC twelve's movement,
you know, inviting only those four Mountain West schools, why
not also un l V. Right, you want to have
the Vegas market, So why didn't you and LV just
come on board with those other four Mountain West schools?
And you know, the PAC twelve Championship game football championship
game was played in Las Vegas the past few years,
the PAC twelve tournament's been in Vegas, so why not
invite un l V right now? And and you know
UNLV coming to board with Memphis as like a two
team announcement maybe, but but I still don't get why
you just don't onboard UNLV right away. I'm not seeing
the specific strategy in terms of waiting to bring aboard UNLV.
And another piece of the puzzle here is, if you're
the PAC twelve and you don't want to be seen
as as a glorified Mountain West, basically Mountain West two
point zero, why not invite Memphis and a few other
schools outside the West. Why not invite those schools first
and then you come in with the Mountain West schools,
so that that is one chess move that you know
you would you would think if the PAC twelve wants
to be very intentional about its branding and its identity
and like, oh, we're not just the reconfigured Mountain West,
well why didn't you just put Memphis in first? Why
didn't you land agreements with some AAC schools American Athletic
Conference schools first, and then you bring in that select
group of Mountain West schools. Not to be clear, like
you want Southern California, San Diego State definitely always made
sense for the PAC twelve Paleril State gives you, you know,
the Denver market or at least you know, close to Denver,
Fresno State another California anchor market, and Boise State for
the football branding. I mean, all four of those schools
make sense on certain levels. But you know, in the
bigger picture, the fact that this is happening now, it
does raise the question, why couldn't this have simply happened
a year ago? Why couldn't this have been done in
June of twenty twenty three? And we all remember with
San Diego State. You know, San Diego State definitely wanted
the PAC twelve. And if the PAC twelve had engineered
a deal to bring in San Diego State before June thirtieth,
well by or before June thirtieth, twenty twenty three, San
Diego State would have had to pay only roughly seventeen
million dollars in exit fees instead of thirty four after
June thirtieth. Why all this couldn't have happened then instead
of now? It just reinforces how badly the PAC twelve
CEO group, George Klavkov, played their cards. You know, if
you bring in San Diego State in June of twenty
twenty three, then maybe Colorado doesn't leave. But even if
Colorado does leave, if you have San Diego State there
as the replacement, as the buffer, then maybe you don't
see Washington and Oregon scattered to the Big ten, and
you don't see the four Corners schools Arizona, Arizona State,
Utah also go away, you know, leaving for the Big twelve,
the pack the Pac twelve's lack of foresight and the
lack of an ability to see chess moves in advance
and to create buffers, to create cushions, to create contingencies
against the scattering of the conference. Like you know, now
you're going to have a conference with you know, these
four Mountain West schools, Memphis, maybe Texas, San Antonio, UTSA,
and all right, it's a conference and you're going to
have a seat at the table in terms of you know,
trying for college football playoff qualification. But it's not going
to be as good as it would have been with
Oregon and Washington staying and with Utah and Arizona and
Arizona State staying. All this could have been done in
June of twenty twenty three, fourteen fifteen months ago. So
all of this does reinforce one last time, how brutally
awful the pack pub was at strategy, at finalizing deals,
at having a realistic sense of what was and wasn't available.
So fresh drama in the PAC twelve and in the
Western United States relative to college sports realignment. We had
to talk about that here on off my pylon. And
it will be interesting to see what happens next. You know,
air Force is being courted by the AAC. Other dominoes
you know, could be about to fall. We will obviously
keep you posted. We will obviously discuss any fresh developments
that occur from week to week in the Western United States.
All right, now, let's get to football. And so we're
coming up on USC Michigan this weekend in the Big Ten.
In terms of looking ahead, that's the big focus for
Western teams. USC with a big opportunity Michigan changing quarterbacks,
Davis Warren out Alex org In. Orgie was supposed to
be the starter for most of the offseason, that was
the way things seem to be trending. But Davis Warren
got the job for opening day. In the first few games,
did not play well against Texas, did not play well
against Arkansas State, Turollmore makes the obvious necessary decision to
go to alex Org. It's going to be interesting to
see what Michigan's offense looks like in terms of how
what the run pass mix is. You know, Warren was
the throwing quarterback and Orgy would come in for a
few specific plays, and everyone in the ballpark knew they
were going to be running plays well. So with Orgy
now being the starter, he's going to have to throw
the ball. He's gonna have to show that he can
throw the ball. USC's gonna load up against the run
and Michigan's ability to establish some degree of balance on offense.
That is a central key for Michigan in terms of
being able to win the game. The other really central
key to this game USC's offensive line against Michigan's defensive line. Now,
how good is USC's offensive line don't really know. Did
a decent job against LSU, not spectacular, but decent. Protected
Miller Moss long enough for Moss to make important throws,
especially late in the game. But us he could not
run block against LSU's defensive front. It was not USC's
offensive line did not clearly have the up hand. I
wouldn't say USC got out played either. I think the
matchup was fundamentally a draw. But that was good enough
for USC in the passing game. It wasn't good enough
in the running game. Michigan's defensive front got bullied by Texas.
Now Texas looks like the real deal. Texas, in my mind,
should be ranked number one. With Georgia, you know, barely
beating Kentucky. Texas should be ranked number one based on
how it's looked, how it's performed, the competition is faced
and beaten. So far, Texas might be the best team
in the country. So the fact that Michigan couldn't handle Texas,
that might not be an indictment of Michigan, might be
a reflection on how good Texas is. But this Michigan
defensive line must must outplay USC's offensive line for the
Wolverines to have a realistic chance. If USC plays reasonably
well upfront with its offensive line going up against Michigan's
defensive front, you know, if Michigan is not clearly winning
that match up up front, it's just going to be
hard to see how Michigan creates the turnovers and the
negative plays that will be needed to really shut down USC.
You know, US he has not been that clean with
the ball. Nor Moss has had some passes batted down
at the line of scrimmage. That was mostly against LSU,
not so much in the second game against Utah State.
USC did fumble against Utah State week two, fumbled in
Week one against LSU. Been putting the ball on the
carpet US. He has not been very clean. And I
would say that Michigan needs not necessarily at least one turnover.
Michigan needs at least one high impact turnover, meaning a
turnover that causes a significant swing in points. And I
think we can all generally agree on what that means.
Like a red zone turnover that causes us swing in points,
that's a high impact turnover. USC having third and ten
in its own thirty five and nor Moss throwing a
deep getting picked at the Michigan twenty, that's not a
high impact turnover. That's basically an arm punt in the
middle of the field. It doesn't really affect whether a
team could have scored or would have scored. That's not
a high impact turnover. But turnovers in your own red
zone or in the opponent's red zone turnovers that clearly
take away points from USC or ad points to Michigan.
Michigan will need at least one of those high impact
turnovers in my estimation, to win this game, or at
the very least, you know, be right there late in
the fourth quarter with a chance to win. And I
think if Michigan can get two high impact turnovers and
be plus two in turnover differential, then the needle really
tips to Michigan in terms of being able to win
this game. I think that that Michigan might not necessarily
win this game in the sense of, you know, if
Michigan has to do everything itself, if Michigan has to
drive seventy five eighty yards against USC's defense, a defense
which looks very good, Michigan's probably not gonna win. But
if Michigan gets short fields, if Michigan gets defensive touchdowns,
if Michigan can block a kick and return it for
a score, or you know, get set up you know
deep in USC territory on special teams, those are the
kinds of things I think Michigan will need to do
to be able to win the game. If USC basically
doesn't give this game away, if USC does not make
big mistakes with turnovers or also special teams breakdowns. If
USC does not miss any chip shot field goals it
missed one against LSU near thirty yards in length. If
USC just doesn't do any stupid stuff on offense or
special teams and lets the defense win the game and
Michigan's offense has to go to length of the field
against the USC defense to score, USC should be in
good shape. So can the Tropans maintain their composure on
the road in the big House in an arbor three
thirty Eastern, twelve thirty Pacific on CBS. That's really the
test for USC. Maintain composure. That offensive line needs to
do the job against Michigan's defensive front. And if you're Michigan,
you need your defensive front to bash in USC's offensive line.
Because it's really weird. But I think it's true that
because USC has so fully addressed the defensive side of
the ball with its coaching staff changes made by Lincoln
right with Danton Linn now a defensive coordinator, Eric Henderson
on the defensive line, matt Ens at linebacker, coach Doug
Belk and also assistant Taylor Mays, former USC star coaching
the secondary. I think USC's defense is just not a
question mark right now. US's defense is like the reliable
anchor unit of that group, and it's the offensive line
that is the true lingering question mark. And if USC
gets good production out of its offensive line, everything else
should come together for the Trojans this season. And it
also very much applies to this Saturday's big game at Michigan,
So we're all going to be looking for that one.
Wanted to get that look ahead to Week four noted
for the record here at Get Off my Pilon. But now,
after a previewing USC Michigan, a game I know you're
all excited about, let's now go back and review some
of the storylines from week three. Among Western teams that
are in various conferences, one place we have to start
in terms of a week three review is UCLA. Oh Man,
this could get very ugly, very quickly. It was very ugly.
On Saturday. Ucla takes a twenty nine point loss to
Kurt Signetti and a much improved Indiana team, and Indiana
seems to have hit a home run with Kurt Signetti
hiring him away from James Madison. Indiana looks really, really good.
And it's going to be interesting to see Indiana forty
two UCLA thirteen. How much of that was Indiana being great?
How much of that was UCLA being awful? My instinct
at initially both a lot of both. Like I think
that when Deshaun Foster froze up at Big ten Media Days,
when he tried to give his speech and just that
that went horribly for him, a lot of people said, well,
he's not great at public speaking. He doesn't like that
part of the job. But you know, you get him
into like a retail politics situation, just one on one conversationally,
he's really good. You know, he can recruit, he's well liked,
he's well respected, and you know he is well liked.
He is well respected within the UCLA community. But maybe
that performance at Big ten Media Days wasn't just about
Deshaun Foster doesn't like public speaking. Maybe it's that he's
not ready for this. Because UCLA did not seem to
be ready for Indiana, did not play well against Hawaii,
was able to squeak through with a three point win
over a Hawaii team which doesn't appear to be all
that good if you look at you see l A schedule,
where are you going to find more than two wins
over the remainder of this schedule? I have Minnesota at home.
Minnesota game at home and the Fresno State game at home.
Two best chances for u c l A to grab
a win over the in the remainder of its schedule.
Iowa at home. That doesn't look very good like Iowa,
Iowa should be able to physically control uh u c
l A. Iowa Iowa already noted that UCLA has to
play Oregon. UCLA is playing LSU next on the road.
Good luck with that. UCLA has to play Penn State.
Rutgers is a very physical team. That's a game UCLA
will have to play in New Jersey that doesn't look
like a game you U c l A is likely
to win. Nebraska and then of course USC and also
Washington Washing. The Washington game is on the road in Seattle,
where you know where you're going to find wins against
the schedule that tough. UCLA's best case scenario in my
mind for twenty twenty four is three and nine, and
that's pretty ugly likely. Result two and ten and one
and eleven is a possibility because like Minnesota, UCLA that's
a toss up. Like it's not clearly a game. That's
not a game UCLA is likely to win. But it's
a game Ucla can you know, Minnesota is not very good.
But like, that is a toss up. It's not a
game where UTLA is going to be favored by five, six,
seven points, might be favored by two or we'll see
when we get to that. Because that game is still
several weeks away. So it's a game UCLA could win.
It's not a game UCLA is definitely going to win.
And then Fresno State at home at the end of
the season, you know who, who knows where we're going
to be by that point in terms of how UCLA
and Fresno State have evolved. Ucily is not probably not
going to be a clear cut favorite in that game either,
barring injuries to Presno State. So this is all a
larger way of saying that it's going to be a
blood bath for Ucilly this year. And when a coach
has a terrible first year, that second year becomes a
hot seat year, or at least it easily could become
a hot seat year. Now, normally coaches get three years
at programs and I'm sure that the administration at UCLA
does want to give Deshaun Foster every possible chance to succeed.
But if this is a two and ten year in
twenty twenty four, and ucily then goes three and nine
in two thousand and twenty five, is that gonna be
enough for Deshaun Foster to get a third season in
twenty twenty six. I don't think so. I would say
that if this year does turn into a two and
ten season for UCLA, Deshaun Foster is gonna need to
at least go four and eight, and he might need
to go five and seven to give the brass at
UCLA the idea that, hey, this program is going in
the right direction. If UCLA lose wins fewer than four
games in each of Deshaun Foster's first two seasons, that
might not be enough. So, like we're we're not on
a hot seat watch now, in the sense that he's
gonna have a second season, He's going to coach a
second season. You know, he's going to be given a
chance to bounce back from a horrible first year. But
will he get three years? Will he get that third year?
If the second year is just about as horrible as
year one seems likely to be. That's the question. And
we are now in that territory at UCLA where we're
not sure if Deshaun Foster is going to get more
than two years on the job in Westwood. So that's
a pretty significant story as is. You know, Indiana looking
like a really good team in the Big Ten. I mean,
Indiana is gonna go to a bowl game. It's just
gonna be how how good a bowl can the Hoosiers get?
Speaker 1: To?
Speaker 2: Other big stories? We have to go to the Pacific Northwest, right,
because we had the two rivalry games. We had the
Apple Cup, we had the Civil War Apple Cup. Washington
State in Seattle. It wasn't Husky Stadium, they played at
the Seahawks a stadium, women Field. But still Wazoo goes
to Seattle beats Jedfish uh and Washington So Jake Dicker
is really coaching him up at Wazoo. Just an inspiring win,
a tough win. H Washington State was the better team
for most of that game. Washington State was consistently leading
Washington State. Uh, you know controlled play uh in in
the second half. I mean, so that was that was
not a Fluke. It's not as though Washington State had
to make a late come from behind rally. No, it
was Washington State mostly controlling the second half, uh, you know,
and and being able to make plays uh uh with
with you know, a running quarterback and with a defense
that you know, stood strong. Washington had to kick way
too many field goals. Washington dinked and dunked, but Wazoo
had a bend don't break philosophy on defense, and you
know that has proven to be successful for a lot
of teams. Like that was how USC played LSU. We're
gonna give you the short stuff. You're gonna get yards,
you're gonna get first downs, but you're not gonna get touchdowns. Uh.
That was Washington State's approach, and it certainly worked against Washington.
So Jedfish a little turbulence in Seattle. It looks like
this team is going to be, you know, no better
than eight and four against the competition that it's that
it's facing. Obviously, you know, hasn't even played a Big
ten game yet. But if you can't beat Washington State
at home does not bode well for the Huskies against
the Big ten schedule that's coming up. So the drop
off at Washington is as significant as we thought it
was going to be. Jedfish not being able to bring
quarterback Noah Fafita with him from Tucson to Seattle. YEP,
that failure is proving to be as decisive as we
thought it would be. You know that Washington was not
going to be in that nine or ten win range,
going to be in a lower win range. The Huskies
are not going to be a significant player in the
Big Ten this season. They might play spoiler for someone else,
but in terms of their own title aspirations, and I
know that the Big Ten schedule hasn't started for them,
but I think it's pretty clear Washington's not going to
finish in like the top three or four or five
of the Big Ten, probably going to finish in the
middle third of that conference. The other Pacific Northwest rivalry game, well,
this was the Oregon team we expected to see before
the season began. Oregon finally looked like Oregon, tremendous on
both sides of the ball. Dylan Gabriel and the offense
busted out, the offensive line made significant improvements. Thrashed Oregon
State on the road, So that has to really make
everyone a lot calmer in Eugene, Dan Lanning his staff
credit to them, got a lot of good work done
this week. I think the only remaining question is, you know,
how good is Oregon State or maybe how bad is
Oregon State? Because Oregon State shut out San Diego State,
it could be that San Diego State is just really,
really awful. And keep in mind that San Diego State
struggled for a half against Texas and m Commerce, an
FCS school struggled in the first half of that game
before blowing out Commerce in the second half. San Diego
State's had had a rough go of it in the
first year under head coach Sean Lewis. It could just
be at the Aztecs are horrible. So when Oregon State
shut out the Aztecs the week before the Oregon game,
maybe that was a lot more about San Diego State
and the impotence on offense than anything good that Oregon
State was doing. So that's that's a lingering question in
terms of measuring the quality of Oregon's win over Oregon State.
But there is no doubt about the reality that Oregon
looked like Oregon again, and so the Ducks that have
in many ways re established themselves at the top of
the Big Ten as a conference play is about to
get going the other points of focus. Uh, you know
Western schools playing in you know, non Pac twelve commerces. Again,
it's an adjustment. It's gonna take getting used to. But
so like, we're not covering the Pac twelve so much
as we're covering the conference that used to be the
PAC twelve in the various different conferences. So they're the
Big ten refugees. Now let's deal with the Big twelve refugees.
So Arizona got it's head handed to it on a
platter by Kansas State. Kansas State, the far better team,
Kansas State, the far more physical team. Like that was
a rude awakening for Arizona. And let's and let's keep
in mind, Arizona's defense was terrible against New Mexico. Arizona's
offense was terrible against Northern Arizona. So there were inconsistencies.
And you can see this coming. Going to Kansas State
on a Friday night game on the road. Uh, that
was going to be a heavy lift for Arizona no
matter what. And you know, getting blown out in the
second half, that shows just how much work first year
head coach Brent Brennan has to do. Uh, it's not
looking good for Arizona in terms of being able to
match the nine to three to twelve game record that
last season's team was able to attain. I think if
you're if you're looking at predicting where Arizona's record is
gonna gonna land, probably gonna be south of nine and
three instead of north. So, you know, the Wildcats who
did lose some of their players to Jedfish in Washington,
but not all, like it was a mixed back. Some
went to Seattle, but others such as Noah Pafita, stayed
in Tucson. But you know, it could just be that
some of the defections were enough to weaken Arizona. And
really on a broader level, I think we can say
that Arizona and Washington are both thus far losers in
terms of the transfer portal, in terms of the effects
of Jedfish leaving because he didn't he didn't leave the
he didn't completely poach Arizona, he didn't gut Arizona's roster
with a complete exodus to Seattle. Because Brent Brennan was
able to retain a lot of key players, but Fish
did take some players with him, so it left Arizona
somewhat depleted. And Washington didn't get all of the Arizona
transfers it was hoping for, so the Huckeys have been
left short of where they wanted to be. So both
programs are really coming up on the short end as
a result of the coaching changes that we've seen in
Seattle and Tucson. Arizona State's unbeaten. Now, it wasn't pretty
and it was Texas State, and the Texas State's a good,
feisty group of five team. But Arizona State looked awful
in the first half, trailed twenty one to seven late
first half. But credit the Sun Devils, they fought back.
This is a resilient team. Kenny Dillingham has these guys believing.
Kenny Dillingham continues to answer doubts. He continues to quiet
the skeptics such as myself, Arizona State, you might not
have that high a ceiling this year, but hey, just
going to a bowl game would be a very good year.
And ASU is definitely on track to make a bowl.
Now three to zero on the season, Now we do
have to say However, that some of the two of
the other two ASU wins in addition to Texas State,
they don't look as good right now. The win over
Wyoming looked really solid initially. Wyoming then lost to Idaho
of the FCS at home, and Wyoming then got blown
out at home by BYU, So Wyoming could actually be
really bad this season. And ASU's other win was over
Mississippi State, and Mississippi State just got dump trucked. Now
it didn't, didn't just lose got blown out at home
by Toledo, So Mississippi State could be horrible. So ASU
still having a really good year at three and zero
headed to a bowl game most likely, but ASU's competition
might have been a lot worse than any of us thought.
Utah goes into Logan and wins a rivalry game against
Utah State, and you could say, hey, Utah State lost
to USC by forty eight points. Of course, Utah was
supposed to win this game, but let's remember Cam Rising
did not play, and so that made this game a
little bit tenuous. So Utah handled its business. That's a
better win than you might think for Kyle Winningham And
we'll see if Kim Rising can play against Oklahoma State.
As the youths now move into the Big Twelve portion
of their schedule, that's going to be an obvious talking
point for the youths. So it's a very interesting world
in western college football in the United States with the
PAC twelve refugees in the Big Ten that we've talked about,
the PAC twelve refugees in the Big twelve, and Washington
State and Jake Dickert, you know, who are about to
welcome several new schools from the Mountain West into the
new look PAC twelve and twenty twenty six. Jake Dickert
is certainly elevating his national profile, his his coaching stock
is rising, and you know, the Florida jobs going to
open up. I think that you know, I've seen Jamie Chadwell,
the head coach of Liberty One, being one prominent name
for that job in Gainesville. Because it's almost certain that
the billion napier is not going to survive this year.
But it's going to be interesting to see where Jake
Dickard of Washington State comes in for the coaching carousel
and what his place in the carousel this December is
going to be because he is certainly pointing that arrow upward.
What he's doing at Washington State in a very difficult situation.
Jake Dickard definitely making a name for himself. Our show,
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