Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where we left off with the unnamed Captain and his
interview with the OIG Inspectors. Question now, what was their
time shift? Was it four pm to midnight? Answer? Who?
Question the people we were just talking about the evening watch?
Answer yeah, there, yes for to midnight. Question so four
pm to midnight. At that point, if it was recognized
that there was no cell mate and he needed a
cell mate, could have if they did contact the oppsoleutenant? Opsoleutenant?
Did contact you? Could have an inmate been assigned at
that time? Or would that have to wait till the
next day? Answer? Well, I would have done. If I
would have known right then and there that he didn't
have a cell mate, He's already an attorney visiting, right
question YEP answer, So I would have went on ahead,
all right, keep him an attorney visiting. I would have
called Guess who I would have called. I would have
called the aw to let him know well redacted, and
I would have called the warden. I would have said, hey,
look this guy went out the WAB today or Reyes
didn't come back from court, we got to bet another guy.
Question okay, answer, and that's what would happen. And plus
I was there at eight. So let's say he got
released from attorney visiting and he didn't go back, and
when they went to let's say, hey, this dude, he
don't have a cell mate. I would have been like
holed up. I would have said, because I got R
and D staff down there, right, because I can't put
him on suicide watch. I can't put him on close supervision.
So I would have said, hey, quarter this guy right now,
an R and D put a staff member on it,
which would have been Fox one. Put him on Fox one,
put a staff member down there. Let me call the warden.
Question what does Fox one mean? Answer? That means that's
R and D. Question, Okay, answer, that's the cell assignment.
I believe it would have been Fox one, just I
can't put him on suicide watch. Question right, and then
Fox one people monitor at all times. Answer no, but
I would have had somebody monitor him. I would have had, hey,
put a staff member down there and watch this guy
until we get him a cellmate. Question Okay, And you
think that the same day August ninth, he would have
had a cell mate if you were made aware? Answer yeah,
if I was made aware, he would have he would
have got a cell mate question. Okay. Now let's go
back and say, if Redacted did know and didn't tell anybody,
he didn't tell you. He didn't tell redacted. Is he
the one he gets cut off by the captain? He
dropped the ball? Answer or question? Right answer? Because again,
like I told you about count and made a good statement,
then how did you clear the count? Question? Uh huh?
So the two people that So if Redacted knew and
he didn't tell anybody, he dropped the ball. But at
the same time, if the four punt was conducted, they
would have then raised the issue with redacted. Answer right question.
So there would have been two checks there. Answer right question,
and if not, it would have also happened at the
ten pm count as well. Answer right question. So if
the four pm count the ten pm count were both conducted,
there would have been noticed, Hey, no cell mate, bring
it up to redacted. Answer correct question. All right. So
if redacted didn't know, Redacted didn't tell them. So Redacted
dropped the ball, the shoe staff dropped the ball. It
looks like answer right question. Okay, before we move on
from that, Do you want to talk about anything specific
to that notion? Answer? No, question okay? Answer can we
take a break? Question? Absolutely? All right, So they take
their break, then they come back. Question all right, so
what we are talking about before? Before we move on,
I just want to go back to so you said
if or daktednew he dropped the ball, if the shoe
staff didn't do their counts at four pm and at
ten pm, that's when they would have next found out
that Epstein was without a cell mate, and they would
have then reported it up. Answer m hmmm. Question correct.
What did we want to follow up with on that one? Answer?
If a notification came from the court that Reys wasn't
coming back, who would have got the notification? Answered? That
notification would have came through R and D and through
the control center, which the control center would have updated
the count in century to reflect if the inmate was
physically in the institution or was still out in the court.
So it would be contingent to look at the sentry roster,
which would be the E one that the control center
had created for those counts, to find out if Rays
was still on the count as physically being in the
institution or out to court? Question okay, and tof R
and D in control did get that notification? Did they
have to notify the shoe? Answer? Yeah, because then the
count would be off. Question. If let's just say that
the notification came between one and three, who in the
shoe would have been notified? Answer the OIC which would
have been for the day watch, it would have been
either redacted or redacted? Question and what should they have done? Answer?
And with that one time, they would have reflected on
inside of century. And also they would have known that
the inmate was not physically there, and they would have
had notified the operations lieutenant that this guy didn't come back.
So that means somebody would have had to make sure
that the institutional count was right or wrong. Question. So
in this instance, if redacted new who would have been
the one that would have been informed? Answer? That would
have been the one that have been either redacted or
redacted would have notified them. But then I also said
that redacted worked in the capacity of OIC because a
lot of those officers would say, oh, I don't have
the ability to loe go into the program, so he
would do double duties. Question Okay. So let's say that
the Shoe staff that time did notify redacted. Let's say
that redacted now didn't take any action. Okay. Now, let's
say that the next Shoe staff comes on board, should
they continue to report the matter up the chain? Answer? Yeah,
question even though the shoe that replaced them already made
the notification that Epstein was without a cell mate and
needed a new one. Answer because their AC count would
have been off, and then they wouldn't have known that,
you know, when they brought him back from attorney visiting
that the cell was empty. Question right, And I'm not
specifically talking about the count right now. What I'm saying
is like, if the Shoe did notify redacted, Hey, Epstein
is required to have a cell mate and the cell
mate is gone, we need to get him a new one.
Redacted now never takes any action. Should the Shoe later
that day made the same notification too, in this case
to redacted, Hey, Ebstein still hasn't been reassigned to cellmate?
Answer correct question. Okay, So the Shoe may have done
it right at day watch and redacted got the notification,
but the Shoe on the night watch gets cut off
by the captain, didn't do it? Answer, didn't do it?
And they should have answer because he was an attorney visiting.
So they said, oh, it was an empty cell. We said, okay, yeah,
Epstein is still at attorney visiting. Nobody would have cared
about the Selli because they would have thought that he
was still out at court. Question okay, answer, But if
he did come back by eight that night, somebody would
have said something. Answer or question. Now let's go even
further from now, we go from evening watch to now
morning watch. We're on August tenth, where Noel and Thomas
are now in there. Answer correct question should they have
made the notification to redacted? Answer? They wouldn't have known?
Question all right, so they should have gets cut off
by the captain. They would have been in the unit
with the assumption that all of the inmates have been
accounted for by the previous shift. Because the count didn't
go wasn't bad question? So that's the twelve am, three
am and five am Answer correct question. Are you saying
they don't really need to do those counts? Answer? No, no, No,
I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is they wouldn't
have not have known that the inmate didn't come back
from court if it wasn't addressed on either at day
watch or evening watch. Question okay, answer, they wouldn't know.
They would just can't be responsible for counting what inmates
was housed in that unit between the hours of twelve
to five, because those are the three counts. So yeah,
let's see, these are the three counts. Let's look. Question
So the five o'clock one answer? All right, so I
got the five o'clock. It looks like we got the
five to ten, the midnight, the three, the five, and
then is this the rounds? Answer? Yeah, that's the control
question the control answer. Yeah, we don't want this. I'll
take this question. Okay. So here are the counts from
August ninth, from four pm through August tenth through five am.
Answer okay. Question, Now, we have reason to believe that
the four pm, the ten PM, the twelve am, and
the three am and the five pm none of them
were conducted. Answer okay, So what you're saying that the
four pm count for August ninth was not done and
the ten wasn't done? Answer? And the ten, nor was
the twelve, the three or the five am. Now is
there a way to look at that if there is someone,
let's say, because at this twelve am count, you'll notice
there's a discrepancy. There is one inmate, they're off by
control says, hey, you're off by one. Is there a
way to kind of look at these counts and notice,
all right, this would have been picked up then, or
a way to kind of just tell that these weren't
conducted by just looking at the documents or noticing if
you know, if Reyes is gone by one point fifty,
you know he's released. Is there a way to tell that?
Because you've got it right here? Answer? Okay, question, this
is the forum right there. This will tell you who
the inmates are out of count. Question okay. Answer, and
that's from small He was one of the receiving and
discharged employees that was probably working on August ninth. Question okay, answer,
So she would know who was still out at count.
So that means operations lieutenant didn't even sign it. That's
a violation. Question. So this document that you're looking at
it looks like what is it like the third page
on there? Answer? Yeah, that that should have been because
you've got it right there. Clark unassigned work assignments. So
this inmate Clark that's saying he's out at court. Question okay, answer,
So now our count is minus one, but we know
where he is because he's still out at court. So
ray is that count? So if he went out to court,
let's say we was at eighty eight. Let's just say
when he went out to court, him and Clark went out,
he went down to eighty six. Well, guess what Reyes
drops off the count? How he got released? Question? So
if he was released, gets caught off by the captain,
form that should have come from the marshals back to
us saying that he got released. Question So between ten
am and the four pm count, would there have been
a form in there showing that he was released? Answer?
There should have been question okay, answer that should have
been generated from the marshals, because it's a transfer order.
You heard of a transfer order every time an inmate
goes off. If you've got ten that went out to
court that day, that's the transfer order. Whatever the disposition
of those inmates are. Okay, boom, ten went out to
count eight coming back? Okay, where are the other two? Okay?
I got this guy that's still out of counted and
he's at court, he's still at whatever at this time frame,
where's reyus? There should have been a transfer receiat signed
by the marshals, by the staff that was at the
New York Court over there, the people that handled the inmates.
That transfer order should have been sent back with whoever
was transporting the inmates and brought back to the institution
to say that this guy never came back. Question. So
the third page that you're saying though, that was a
violation that the operations lieutenant didn't sign. Answer right? Question
would that have been redacted or redacted at the time? Answer?
Because all this staff it's called the thirty day file. Answer.
So what the lieutenants are supposed to do on their
shift is supposed to when they make rounds in control,
they're supposed to do because we're supposed to take count
on every shift, especially in the off hours. So before Epstein,
that was a responsibility. On the off hours, you'll be
responsible for taking count. So that evening watch guy would
take the ten count, right, or somebody somebody would take
the four o'clock count, So the operations lieutenant or the
activities would normally go down and take the four They
would go through the paperwork for that day up to
four o'clock, and you would sign all the forms, like
if somebody checked out keys restricted key forms operations, is
supposed to sign it? Question mm hmm. Answer, if the
transfer order receipts come back, you're supposed to sign it.
Whatever happens on that shift, you're supposed to sign the
count slips that form right here that should have been
signed by the lieutenant. Question Okay, so these forms that
we're looking at four pm, there is a number of
signatures that are missing. Answer, yeah, question and should have
that been the lieutenant as in it looks like redacted? Answer?
Official preparing count, official taking count? Those are going to
be So the person that was taking the count would
have been the OIC. Then the person who actually was
there as a lieutenant that was taking the count. Normally
we would sign it in the end or in red
Question Now the lieutenant, when you say that they're there,
aren't they in the control center? Answer? They're in the
control center while the officers are doing count. Question. Okay,
so the shoe calls in says we got count seventy two,
seventy three, seventy four, whatever it is. And in this case.
When you look at the four pm though, you're seeing
that there was no lieutenant that signed off on that answer.
No question, So on the first page as well as
the third page was there they should have signed answer right,
question all right? And then gets cut off. Yeah, because
I got to look, I got a signature for this
one that was approved by the operations lieutenant right here.
Question and to a zet answer that's I don't know
who that signature is. Question all right. It looks like
redacted would have been on duty. Is that the time?
Question or answer that's going to be four pm? Whoever
took the four pm that lieutenant would have been redacted?
All right, folks, we're going to stop right here, and
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