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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up

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where we left off with the unnamed Captain and his

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interview with the OIG Inspectors. Question now, what was their

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time shift? Was it four pm to midnight? Answer? Who?

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Question the people we were just talking about the evening watch?

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Answer yeah, there, yes for to midnight. Question so four

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pm to midnight. At that point, if it was recognized

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that there was no cell mate and he needed a

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cell mate, could have if they did contact the oppsoleutenant? Opsoleutenant?

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Did contact you? Could have an inmate been assigned at

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that time? Or would that have to wait till the

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next day? Answer? Well, I would have done. If I

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would have known right then and there that he didn't

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have a cell mate, He's already an attorney visiting, right

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question YEP answer, So I would have went on ahead,

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all right, keep him an attorney visiting. I would have

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called Guess who I would have called. I would have

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called the aw to let him know well redacted, and

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I would have called the warden. I would have said, hey,

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look this guy went out the WAB today or Reyes

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didn't come back from court, we got to bet another guy.

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Question okay, answer, and that's what would happen. And plus

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I was there at eight. So let's say he got

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released from attorney visiting and he didn't go back, and

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when they went to let's say, hey, this dude, he

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don't have a cell mate. I would have been like

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holed up. I would have said, because I got R

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and D staff down there, right, because I can't put

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him on suicide watch. I can't put him on close supervision.

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So I would have said, hey, quarter this guy right now,

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an R and D put a staff member on it,

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which would have been Fox one. Put him on Fox one,

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put a staff member down there. Let me call the warden.

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Question what does Fox one mean? Answer? That means that's

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R and D. Question, Okay, answer, that's the cell assignment.

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I believe it would have been Fox one, just I

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can't put him on suicide watch. Question right, and then

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Fox one people monitor at all times. Answer no, but

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I would have had somebody monitor him. I would have had, hey,

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put a staff member down there and watch this guy

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until we get him a cellmate. Question Okay, And you

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think that the same day August ninth, he would have

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had a cell mate if you were made aware? Answer yeah,

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if I was made aware, he would have he would

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have got a cell mate question. Okay. Now let's go

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back and say, if Redacted did know and didn't tell anybody,

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he didn't tell you. He didn't tell redacted. Is he

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the one he gets cut off by the captain? He

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dropped the ball? Answer or question? Right answer? Because again,

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like I told you about count and made a good statement,

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then how did you clear the count? Question? Uh huh?

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So the two people that So if Redacted knew and

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he didn't tell anybody, he dropped the ball. But at

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the same time, if the four punt was conducted, they

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would have then raised the issue with redacted. Answer right question.

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So there would have been two checks there. Answer right question,

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and if not, it would have also happened at the

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ten pm count as well. Answer right question. So if

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the four pm count the ten pm count were both conducted,

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there would have been noticed, Hey, no cell mate, bring

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it up to redacted. Answer correct question. All right. So

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if redacted didn't know, Redacted didn't tell them. So Redacted

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dropped the ball, the shoe staff dropped the ball. It

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looks like answer right question. Okay, before we move on

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from that, Do you want to talk about anything specific

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to that notion? Answer? No, question okay? Answer can we

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take a break? Question? Absolutely? All right, So they take

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their break, then they come back. Question all right, so

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what we are talking about before? Before we move on,

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I just want to go back to so you said

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if or daktednew he dropped the ball, if the shoe

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staff didn't do their counts at four pm and at

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ten pm, that's when they would have next found out

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that Epstein was without a cell mate, and they would

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have then reported it up. Answer m hmmm. Question correct.

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What did we want to follow up with on that one? Answer?

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If a notification came from the court that Reys wasn't

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coming back, who would have got the notification? Answered? That

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notification would have came through R and D and through

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the control center, which the control center would have updated

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the count in century to reflect if the inmate was

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physically in the institution or was still out in the court.

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So it would be contingent to look at the sentry roster,

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which would be the E one that the control center

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had created for those counts, to find out if Rays

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was still on the count as physically being in the

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institution or out to court? Question okay, and tof R

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and D in control did get that notification? Did they

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have to notify the shoe? Answer? Yeah, because then the

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count would be off. Question. If let's just say that

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the notification came between one and three, who in the

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shoe would have been notified? Answer the OIC which would

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have been for the day watch, it would have been

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either redacted or redacted? Question and what should they have done? Answer?

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And with that one time, they would have reflected on

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inside of century. And also they would have known that

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the inmate was not physically there, and they would have

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had notified the operations lieutenant that this guy didn't come back.

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So that means somebody would have had to make sure

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that the institutional count was right or wrong. Question. So

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in this instance, if redacted new who would have been

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the one that would have been informed? Answer? That would

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have been the one that have been either redacted or

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redacted would have notified them. But then I also said

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that redacted worked in the capacity of OIC because a

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lot of those officers would say, oh, I don't have

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the ability to loe go into the program, so he

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would do double duties. Question Okay. So let's say that

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the Shoe staff that time did notify redacted. Let's say

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that redacted now didn't take any action. Okay. Now, let's

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say that the next Shoe staff comes on board, should

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they continue to report the matter up the chain? Answer? Yeah,

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question even though the shoe that replaced them already made

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the notification that Epstein was without a cell mate and

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needed a new one. Answer because their AC count would

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have been off, and then they wouldn't have known that,

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you know, when they brought him back from attorney visiting

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that the cell was empty. Question right, And I'm not

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specifically talking about the count right now. What I'm saying

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is like, if the Shoe did notify redacted, Hey, Epstein

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is required to have a cell mate and the cell

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mate is gone, we need to get him a new one.

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Redacted now never takes any action. Should the Shoe later

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that day made the same notification too, in this case

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to redacted, Hey, Ebstein still hasn't been reassigned to cellmate?

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Answer correct question. Okay, So the Shoe may have done

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it right at day watch and redacted got the notification,

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but the Shoe on the night watch gets cut off

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by the captain, didn't do it? Answer, didn't do it?

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And they should have answer because he was an attorney visiting.

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So they said, oh, it was an empty cell. We said, okay, yeah,

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Epstein is still at attorney visiting. Nobody would have cared

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about the Selli because they would have thought that he

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was still out at court. Question okay, answer, But if

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he did come back by eight that night, somebody would

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have said something. Answer or question. Now let's go even

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further from now, we go from evening watch to now

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morning watch. We're on August tenth, where Noel and Thomas

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are now in there. Answer correct question should they have

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made the notification to redacted? Answer? They wouldn't have known?

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Question all right, so they should have gets cut off

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by the captain. They would have been in the unit

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with the assumption that all of the inmates have been

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accounted for by the previous shift. Because the count didn't

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go wasn't bad question? So that's the twelve am, three

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am and five am Answer correct question. Are you saying

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they don't really need to do those counts? Answer? No, no, No,

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I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is they wouldn't

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have not have known that the inmate didn't come back

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from court if it wasn't addressed on either at day

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watch or evening watch. Question okay, answer, they wouldn't know.

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They would just can't be responsible for counting what inmates

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was housed in that unit between the hours of twelve

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to five, because those are the three counts. So yeah,

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let's see, these are the three counts. Let's look. Question

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got the five o'clock. It looks like we got the

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five to ten, the midnight, the three, the five, and

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then is this the rounds? Answer? Yeah, that's the control

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question the control answer. Yeah, we don't want this. I'll

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take this question. Okay. So here are the counts from

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the four pm, the ten PM, the twelve am, and

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the three am and the five pm none of them

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were conducted. Answer okay, So what you're saying that the

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four pm count for August ninth was not done and

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the ten wasn't done? Answer? And the ten, nor was

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the twelve, the three or the five am. Now is

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there a way to look at that if there is someone,

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let's say, because at this twelve am count, you'll notice

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there's a discrepancy. There is one inmate, they're off by

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control says, hey, you're off by one. Is there a

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way to kind of look at these counts and notice,

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all right, this would have been picked up then, or

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a way to kind of just tell that these weren't

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conducted by just looking at the documents or noticing if

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you know, if Reyes is gone by one point fifty,

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you know he's released. Is there a way to tell that?

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Because you've got it right here? Answer? Okay, question, this

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is the forum right there. This will tell you who

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the inmates are out of count. Question okay. Answer, and

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that's from small He was one of the receiving and

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discharged employees that was probably working on August ninth. Question okay, answer,

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So she would know who was still out at count.

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So that means operations lieutenant didn't even sign it. That's

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a violation. Question. So this document that you're looking at

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it looks like what is it like the third page

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on there? Answer? Yeah, that that should have been because

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you've got it right there. Clark unassigned work assignments. So

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this inmate Clark that's saying he's out at court. Question okay, answer,

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where he is because he's still out at court. So

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ray is that count? So if he went out to court,

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when he went out to court, him and Clark went out,

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he went down to eighty six. Well, guess what Reyes

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drops off the count? How he got released? Question? So

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if he was released, gets caught off by the captain,

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form that should have come from the marshals back to

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us saying that he got released. Question So between ten

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am and the four pm count, would there have been

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a form in there showing that he was released? Answer?

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There should have been question okay, answer that should have

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been generated from the marshals, because it's a transfer order.

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You heard of a transfer order every time an inmate

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goes off. If you've got ten that went out to

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court that day, that's the transfer order. Whatever the disposition

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of those inmates are. Okay, boom, ten went out to

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count eight coming back? Okay, where are the other two? Okay?

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I got this guy that's still out of counted and

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he's at court, he's still at whatever at this time frame,

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where's reyus? There should have been a transfer receiat signed

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by the marshals, by the staff that was at the

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New York Court over there, the people that handled the inmates.

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That transfer order should have been sent back with whoever

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was transporting the inmates and brought back to the institution

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to say that this guy never came back. Question. So

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the third page that you're saying though, that was a

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violation that the operations lieutenant didn't sign. Answer right? Question

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would that have been redacted or redacted at the time? Answer?

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Because all this staff it's called the thirty day file. Answer.

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So what the lieutenants are supposed to do on their

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shift is supposed to when they make rounds in control,

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they're supposed to do because we're supposed to take count

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on every shift, especially in the off hours. So before Epstein,

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that was a responsibility. On the off hours, you'll be

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responsible for taking count. So that evening watch guy would

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take the ten count, right, or somebody somebody would take

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the four o'clock count, So the operations lieutenant or the

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activities would normally go down and take the four They

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would go through the paperwork for that day up to

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four o'clock, and you would sign all the forms, like

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if somebody checked out keys restricted key forms operations, is

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supposed to sign it? Question mm hmm. Answer, if the

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transfer order receipts come back, you're supposed to sign it.

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Whatever happens on that shift, you're supposed to sign the

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count slips that form right here that should have been

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signed by the lieutenant. Question Okay, so these forms that

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we're looking at four pm, there is a number of

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signatures that are missing. Answer, yeah, question and should have

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that been the lieutenant as in it looks like redacted? Answer?

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Official preparing count, official taking count? Those are going to

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be So the person that was taking the count would

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have been the OIC. Then the person who actually was

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there as a lieutenant that was taking the count. Normally

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we would sign it in the end or in red

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Question Now the lieutenant, when you say that they're there,

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aren't they in the control center? Answer? They're in the

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control center while the officers are doing count. Question. Okay,

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so the shoe calls in says we got count seventy two,

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seventy three, seventy four, whatever it is. And in this case.

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When you look at the four pm though, you're seeing

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that there was no lieutenant that signed off on that answer.

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No question, So on the first page as well as

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the third page was there they should have signed answer right,

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question all right? And then gets cut off. Yeah, because

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I got to look, I got a signature for this

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one that was approved by the operations lieutenant right here.

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Question and to a zet answer that's I don't know

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who that signature is. Question all right. It looks like

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redacted would have been on duty. Is that the time?

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Question or answer that's going to be four pm? Whoever

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took the four pm that lieutenant would have been redacted?

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All right, folks, we're going to stop right here, and

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