Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Psychic Teachers. I'm your host, Samantha Fay,
Speaker 1: and I'm Dear Bowen, and we're so happy to have
Speaker 1: you join us for this interesting show down the rabbit
Speaker 1: Hole and through the looking Glass. We're going to be
Speaker 1: talking about time slips, dimensions, portals, and all sorts of
Speaker 1: interesting things. You know, Deb, I've often wondered if the
Speaker 1: reason why intuitives like us can see flashes into the
Speaker 1: past or the future, or read the present to determine
Speaker 1: what's going on with the client is because maybe we
Speaker 1: have some unknown, unpracticed ability to slip into other dimensions.
Speaker 1: What if when we are perceiving the future or the past,
Speaker 1: we're really temporarily peeking into other dimensions of reality.
Speaker 2: The same thing, Samantha. Is a fascinating thought, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It really is. So that's what we're going to be
Speaker 1: discussing today, time slips and dimensions. A lot of people
Speaker 1: believe that those who go missing or claim to travel
Speaker 1: Asterley are doing so through portals that exist all over
Speaker 1: the earth. These have been written about in science fiction
Speaker 1: for years, but do they actually exist?
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: I did a little bit of research and according to NASA,
Speaker 1: they do. NASA funded researcher Jack Scudder calls them electron
Speaker 1: diffusion regions or X points, places where the magnetic field
Speaker 1: of Earth connects to the magnetic field of the Sun,
Speaker 1: which creates a straight, uninterrupted path from the Earth to
Speaker 1: the Sun ninety four million years away. Scudder says these
Speaker 1: portals open and close several times a day. Now there
Speaker 1: is some belief that people can create portals through different
Speaker 1: types of rituals, which I have always found fat fascinating
Speaker 1: to consider. If you guys want to go down your
Speaker 1: own rabbit hole of research, look into Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons,
Speaker 1: and el Ron Hubbard, who worked together for a while
Speaker 1: before they had a falling out on magical rituals. Now
Speaker 1: there's a lot of speculation on what they were doing,
Speaker 1: you know. Some say they were trying to raise up
Speaker 1: the Antichrist to bring Jesus back. Others say they were
Speaker 1: trying to manifest the Woman of Babylon and they were
Speaker 1: doing some type of Babylon ritual in the mid nineteen forties,
Speaker 1: and many said that they opened a portal in California
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty six. Prowley reports that soon after he
Speaker 1: met a being he called Lamb, who many believe looks
Speaker 1: like a gray alien. And you can google Crowley's Lamb
Speaker 1: and see the picture he drew of what this being
Speaker 1: looked like, and you can decide for yourself if it
Speaker 1: indeed does look like.
Speaker 3: A gray alien.
Speaker 1: And some people wonder if that's why just one year
Speaker 1: later we had the incident at Roswell and then all
Speaker 1: that whole UFO flag that happened in the nineteen fifties
Speaker 1: and sixties. So who knows, Maybe we can open up
Speaker 1: our own portals.
Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting? And I want to talk a bit
Speaker 2: about portals that I feel like I have experienced in
Speaker 2: doing paranormal investigations.
Speaker 1: Well, we can discuss it now, because I think you can.
Speaker 1: When I've done paranormal investigations, you can feel them.
Speaker 3: You sure can.
Speaker 2: I remember, because part of our job as paranormal investigators
Speaker 2: is to first look for logical earth bound answers to
Speaker 2: what's happening in a specific space. And a lot of
Speaker 2: times when we've done investigations and somebody says, oh, they
Speaker 2: feel like there's this sweep of air that's running through
Speaker 2: their house all the time that makes them nervous, Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's your peeding and air conditioning system taking in stuff.
Speaker 2: You can feel it flowing up to the vents and whatever.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean coming out of events. I mean
Speaker 2: that return stuff you known happening. So sometimes we get
Speaker 2: debunked with that. I remember one particular investigation that we
Speaker 2: did some time ago. I was convinced that I was
Speaker 2: in a situation where there was just energetic beings of
Speaker 2: some sort coming through this doorway. And I don't mean
Speaker 2: a physical doorway, I mean a metaphysical doorway in this house.
Speaker 2: And after we did a lot of research, it turned
Speaker 2: out that there had been a lot of trauma on
Speaker 2: that property before the house was built, and that there
Speaker 2: were folks who had lived there and died and were
Speaker 2: not happy with this house and the way it had
Speaker 2: been built on this land. So that's just one example
Speaker 2: of several that I could give about a paranormal type
Speaker 2: chlortal that way.
Speaker 1: Well, when I was doing the investigation early on in
Speaker 1: my intuitive career, I worked with the paranormal team that
Speaker 1: had an electrician and all sorts of equipment, and they
Speaker 1: were able to rule out things like an air conditioning
Speaker 1: vent overhead, and we go up into the baby's room
Speaker 1: where most of the activity was happening, and one of
Speaker 1: the mediums the team said, Samantha, put your hand all
Speaker 1: over this wall here and tell me what you feel.
Speaker 1: And I'm still super skeptical, and I'm like, okay, So
Speaker 1: I run my hand down the wall and in this
Speaker 1: one perfect circle. I mean you couldn't see it with
Speaker 1: your physical eyes, but when you ran your hand down
Speaker 1: the wall, you could literally outline a circle that was ice.
Speaker 3: Cold on that wall, and it was.
Speaker 1: Not ice cold anywhere else on that wall, and the
Speaker 1: contracting electrician person couldn't figure.
Speaker 3: Out why it was cold in that one area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the reasons we always take digital
Speaker 2: thermometers with us when we do investigations. It's because it's
Speaker 2: amazing where on one wall the temperature is I don't know,
Speaker 2: seventy two point three, and you move over two inches
Speaker 2: and it's fifty five point nine.
Speaker 1: Well, do you think that people can create portals through
Speaker 1: trauma or through joy or do you think these portals
Speaker 1: already exist?
Speaker 2: I think the portals already exist. Do I think that
Speaker 2: people become in tuned to them and sometimes attract them,
Speaker 2: Perhaps so, But generally speaking, I think their portals all
Speaker 2: over the planet.
Speaker 1: Do you think that's what some of these lay lines
Speaker 1: are all about.
Speaker 2: No, I don't. I think lay lines are an entirely
Speaker 2: different thing because lay lines are energetic energy fields. They're
Speaker 2: like metaphysical longitude and latitude lines.
Speaker 1: But I have read that where the lay lines cross
Speaker 1: each other, a portal can be created or can already exist.
Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't doubt that. I have certainly stood on
Speaker 2: top of places that lay lines crossed, and what happened.
Speaker 2: My experience was what happened to me was that my
Speaker 2: pendulum vibrated in my hand, but it did not swing
Speaker 2: in any direction, and I felt my body. It was
Speaker 2: almost like my body was humming, you know when you
Speaker 2: had a minor electrical shock. That's what it felt like
Speaker 2: standing on top of the places where a lay line crossed.
Speaker 2: I don't know that it was a portal to another
Speaker 2: dimension like we're talking about today. I think lay line
Speaker 2: crossings are a place of real high energy concentration that
Speaker 2: gives us an awareness of a metaphysical being in a
Speaker 2: metaphysical place, but not that it opens doors to anything
Speaker 2: that is negative or unruly in any way.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think portals are all negative at all.
Speaker 1: I think some portals are incredibly positive. Okay, do you
Speaker 1: think they're all negative?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I guess I could ever really
Speaker 2: put a value judgment on portals. I simply think of them.
Speaker 1: As, oh, well, just what you said, they all lead
Speaker 1: to like negative things.
Speaker 3: I just thought, oh.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess I'm thinking of the paranormal investigations I've
Speaker 2: done where that was really frightening to the people who
Speaker 2: lived there.
Speaker 1: Well, do you think in the research you did with
Speaker 1: missing people, do you think they're slipping into theseles? Do
Speaker 1: you think they're just slipping into other dimensions?
Speaker 2: I think they're slipping into other dimensions. That's when we
Speaker 2: get to talk kin about some of the stories that
Speaker 2: I have to share. I think it's more of a
Speaker 2: literally a time slip into another dimension.
Speaker 1: Do you want to start with your stories or do
Speaker 1: you want me to start with my mom?
Speaker 2: I want you to tell yours first. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, one of the time slip stories that I
Speaker 1: really researched is focused on the Philadelphia experiment. Now, I'll
Speaker 1: go through the facts of the story, but really I
Speaker 1: can't call them facts. Most people believe this whole story
Speaker 1: is nothing but a myth of fantasy, a rumor, a hoax. However,
Speaker 1: it still has some interesting aspects to it that I
Speaker 1: think you guys will enjoy if you haven't already heard
Speaker 1: of it. During World War Two, the Germans were building
Speaker 1: rockets and the Japanese had Kamakazi pilots, and there were
Speaker 1: all sorts of advancements in technological things that were going on.
Speaker 1: The US needed to up their game, so they were
Speaker 1: looking for ways to make their ships invisible to radar.
Speaker 1: Legend says they worked with Tesla's notes and that Einstein
Speaker 1: helped out on this project, and out of this story
Speaker 1: grew the legend of the Philadelphia Experiment. And here's how
Speaker 1: it goes. On April twenty eighth, nineteen forty three, the
Speaker 1: USS Eldridge had a small crew on board docked at
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard, the USS Andrew for Sussov. I
Speaker 1: don't know how to say that Ferustho was nearby. Between
Speaker 1: five oh five and five twenty pm, the USS Eldridge
Speaker 1: began to glow and then became invisible. Sailors on the
Speaker 1: USS Andrew are said to have witnessed this one of
Speaker 1: them touched the side and received a massive shock. On
Speaker 1: board the Eldridge, one of the sailors noticed they were
Speaker 1: suddenly at a different dock. He recognized it as the
Speaker 1: Norfolk Naval Shipyard in Virginia, two hundred miles away. Minutes
Speaker 1: later they reappeared back in Philadelphia. Two crew members vanned,
Speaker 1: Some were reportedly fused to the ship. Some are said
Speaker 1: to have gone insane. One sailor reportedly walked through a
Speaker 1: wall shortly after getting off the ship. Two men, Al
Speaker 1: Blick and Duncan Cameron claimed they jumped off the ship
Speaker 1: during this portal trip and landed in nineteen eighty three
Speaker 1: in Montauk, New York, where time travel experiments were being done.
Speaker 1: We have more on that later. Soon after, a newspaper
Speaker 1: article appeared reporting a fight between sailors from the USS
Speaker 1: Eldridge who got into a fight in a bar. Witnesses
Speaker 1: said the sailors disappeared.
Speaker 3: Right in front of them.
Speaker 1: Then, twelve years later, in nineteen fifty five, the Office
Speaker 1: of Naval Research received a book written by M. K.
Speaker 1: Jessup called The Case for UFOs. Inside the book the
Speaker 1: naval researchers received were written notes all handwritten notes in
Speaker 1: all the margins. These handwritten notes included information about the
Speaker 1: USS Eldridge, Einstein's theory of relativity, is unified field theory,
Speaker 1: and time travel. The ONR asked Jessop if he had
Speaker 1: sent them the book. He said he hadn't, but he
Speaker 1: did recognize the handwriting that were written in the margins
Speaker 1: of the book from letters he'd received from a man
Speaker 1: who called himself Carlos Elende. Carlos said he was the
Speaker 1: man on the USS Andrew who had touched the side
Speaker 1: of the Eldridge and received a shock. Carlos claimed Einstein
Speaker 1: was on yet another ship watching this experiment. When he
Speaker 1: saw Carlos get shocked, he invited him on his ship
Speaker 1: to see if he was okay. Carlos claims the two
Speaker 1: became friends and that he became a sort of student
Speaker 1: of Einstein's. Einstein shared his theory that would allow travel
Speaker 1: at four times the speed of light. He said the
Speaker 1: disappearance of the Eldridge happened because it was sent down
Speaker 1: a faster than light tunnel. One of the ONR officers,
Speaker 1: Captain Sidney Sherby, published Jessop's UFO book with Carlos's notes
Speaker 1: handwritten it, and I just found that interesting because it
Speaker 1: shows that maybe he thought there was something to it.
Speaker 1: Now another rabbit hole anyone can go down if they
Speaker 1: want is Shortly after all of this happened, the author
Speaker 1: of the UFO book, MK Jessup, committed suicide and it
Speaker 1: was just suspicious to me. He's a very intelligent man.
Speaker 1: He has degrees in astronomy. He almost had his PhD
Speaker 1: in astronomy. He was very well regarded by everyone, and
Speaker 1: he chose to commit suicide in a park outside which
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just research it if you guys are
Speaker 1: interested in this, because I find people committing suicide connected
Speaker 1: to these conspiracy stories. It just happens too much. So
Speaker 1: this was all quickly put down to a hoax and
Speaker 1: a legend. Shiplogs have no record of the Eldridge in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia at that time. There are no shiplogs showing that
Speaker 1: the Eldridge and the Andrew Ship were ever in the
Speaker 1: same port at the same time. Einstein was in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty three, and Carlos Linday's actual name turned
Speaker 1: out to be Carl Allen. He served from nineteen forty
Speaker 1: three to nineteen fifty two. However, thanks to declassified documents,
Speaker 1: we do know that some secret stuff was going on
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, including a secret test where men died. There
Speaker 1: are reports that the Philadelphia experiment was actually called Rainbow Project.
Speaker 1: This initially began in the nineteen thirties when they Institute
Speaker 1: for Advanced Studies at Princeton University was studying basic physics
Speaker 1: using electromagnetics. The government is said to have gotten involved
Speaker 1: during the war. Allegedly they were trying to see if
Speaker 1: they could use electromagnetics to make ships invisible to radar.
Speaker 1: People also say the Phoenix Project was created around this
Speaker 1: time to use propaganda to influence minds. Out of this,
Speaker 1: some speculate that mk Ultra was created. So I just
Speaker 1: want to pause there to see if you have any
Speaker 1: questions or carmens.
Speaker 2: More than we've got time for me ask. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I was going no long just fine with this
Speaker 2: story and saying, Okay, you know, I understand the skeptics
Speaker 2: and the debunkers of this kind of stuff, but I'm
Speaker 2: willing to entertain a thought that I don't know anything
Speaker 2: about until I prove otherwise. So I was doing just
Speaker 2: fine with your story until we got to the guy
Speaker 2: writing about Einstein. Then I went, no, I just don't
Speaker 2: believe that's possible. That just doesn't feel right to me,
Speaker 2: that Einstein would be doing that, And of course you've
Speaker 2: said that that is highly unlikely. So on one hand, I
Speaker 2: listened to this story and I think, wow, wonder there's
Speaker 2: so much that goes on with research in government research
Speaker 2: and other kinds of research sponsored by other organizations that
Speaker 2: we don't know about. And I know that, so I
Speaker 2: accept the notion that certainly there were things happening then
Speaker 2: and are today that we as the general public don't
Speaker 2: know about. Do I believe that it is possible for
Speaker 2: an entire warship to disappear and go into another dimension? Sure,
Speaker 2: I could believe that, because I don't think that that
Speaker 2: size and spin and weight and all that stuff matters
Speaker 2: in this kind of metaphysical world, because it's just Adam's
Speaker 2: moving around. Really, So I will accept that this very
Speaker 2: well could have happened. And the fact that this man
Speaker 2: who wrote this book killed himself or in some way
Speaker 2: died in a very public place makes me wonder what
Speaker 2: might have been going on here that we're not really
Speaker 2: probably ever going to now.
Speaker 1: And before people write this all off as a tinfoil
Speaker 1: hat story. MKI Ultra really did happen, and they really
Speaker 1: did experiment on a Harvard students. One of them was
Speaker 1: Ted Kaczynski, who later ended up becoming the Univarmer. And
Speaker 1: so all of these people who were involved in this
Speaker 1: Philadelphia experiment are said to have gone and seen and
Speaker 1: I just find it interesting that but it looks as
Speaker 1: though Ted Kaczynski did indeed go insane himself when he
Speaker 1: decided to become the Unifarmer. We also know that the
Speaker 1: government has lied to us. Let's not forget nineteen thirty
Speaker 1: two when the Public Health Service began the Tuskegee Study
Speaker 1: of Untreated Syphilis and they lied to six hundred black men,
Speaker 1: three hundred and ninety nine of whom had syphilis and
Speaker 1: were actively denied known treatments so they could research it.
Speaker 1: Nineteen fifty three is when the CIA began its mk
Speaker 1: ultra program and they tested drugs develop for interrogation and
Speaker 1: mind control purposes. They did this on prisoners, students, hospital patients.
Speaker 1: So we do know that weird stuff has gone on
Speaker 1: before and that we have been lied to, And I
Speaker 1: just think that's important to keep in mind.
Speaker 3: Some go so far.
Speaker 1: As to say that the Philadelphia experiment was the basis
Speaker 1: for the Montalk projects. The Montalk Project, located near Plum
Speaker 1: Island in Long Island, New York, was allegedly created deceive
Speaker 1: the government could use electromagnetics to bend minds and to
Speaker 1: bend time. Many believe they were successful. Now, let me
Speaker 1: just say a word about Plumb Island if you don't
Speaker 1: know about that. It is home to the Plumb Island
Speaker 1: Animal Disease Center. It was opened by the US Department
Speaker 1: of Agriculture in nineteen and the nineteen fifties, and it
Speaker 1: is now under the Department of Homeland Security. They make
Speaker 1: sure animal diseases like foot and mouth disease don't get
Speaker 1: out into the public. However, conspiracy theories abound that what's
Speaker 1: really going on in Plumb Island is biological weapons research
Speaker 1: and animal hybrid experimentations. These rumors have been circulating for
Speaker 1: fifty years. They go really fardeb Some people think that
Speaker 1: lime disease was created here, that the West Nile virus
Speaker 1: was created here in two thousand and three. I believe
Speaker 1: it was either two thousand and three or two thousand
Speaker 1: and six, it moved to the Department of Homeland Security
Speaker 1: after they received information intel that terrorists were looking at
Speaker 1: infiltrating this center for their biological weapon research or animal diseases. Now,
Speaker 1: these rumors about what's really going on at Plumb Island
Speaker 1: highlighted a lot of strange other rumors when a strange
Speaker 1: looking animal that was nicknamed the Montalk Monster washed ashore
Speaker 1: in Long Island in two thousand and three. If you
Speaker 1: google Montalk Monster, you can see a picture of it.
Speaker 1: It's this hairless, spooky looking thing. And what I find
Speaker 1: so funny is the skeptics, the people who say, oh,
Speaker 1: it's all a hoax. They said it was a deceased raccoon. Now,
Speaker 1: if you google that photo, I don't know how you
Speaker 1: can see a raccoon in that, but you know, who
Speaker 1: am I to judge? So the Montalk project is going
Speaker 1: on right near Plumb Island. It's based in Camp Hero,
Speaker 1: which is more commonly called the Montalk Air Force Station.
Speaker 1: The stories surrounding the Montalk Project took off after a
Speaker 1: series of books on the alleged government program was written
Speaker 1: by Preston Nichols in the eighties. Nichols claim that through
Speaker 1: remembering repressed memories, he realized he'd been abducted for years
Speaker 1: and taken to Montalk for experiments. Nichols has degrees in
Speaker 1: psychology and engineering. He claimed that government agents were using
Speaker 1: electromagnetic radiation to transmit ideas directly into people's heads. He
Speaker 1: claims they were made to participate in mind control studies,
Speaker 1: time travel, and alien interactions. He also says the government
Speaker 1: was working on a weapon that could induce schizophrenia. He
Speaker 1: claims the funding came from a stash of Nazi gold
Speaker 1: found in the aftermath of World War II that amounted
Speaker 1: to ten billion dollars. He says to mask the underground facility,
Speaker 1: the government donated the Montalk site to the Wild Refuge Park.
Speaker 1: He claims many people, mainly the homeless, were abducted. Some
Speaker 1: claimed that runaway boys were also abducted and became known
Speaker 1: as the Montalk Boys because it's believed their young minds
Speaker 1: were impressionable and easier to work with. He says psychic
Speaker 1: abilities were greatly enhanced. He said they developed time travel
Speaker 1: through a time portal they created. Through this time tunnel
Speaker 1: or portal, they were able to contact extraterrestrials and some
Speaker 1: even claim that inventions such as the Internet were created
Speaker 1: here before Camp Hero became an official wildlife park. Brian
Speaker 1: Minnick explored inside the radar tower, where he found documents
Speaker 1: and sealed entrances showing that the base of Camp Hero
Speaker 1: was far larger and more complex than thought, and that
Speaker 1: the base had operated for much longer than the government admitted.
Speaker 1: Minnick found records of mass quantities of food ordered to
Speaker 1: the base in the late eighties, long after the military
Speaker 1: said they had left montac He also produced photos of
Speaker 1: rooms with brightly painted walls and psychedelic patterned wallpaper, making
Speaker 1: some believe that captive children were actually subjected to acid
Speaker 1: tests and other mind control things, which makes everyone, I'm sure,
Speaker 1: think about stranger things and the phenomenon that that show is.
Speaker 3: A lot of people say that.
Speaker 1: Eleven and characters such as Her were created directly from
Speaker 1: these stories of children being kept at this camp and
Speaker 1: studied and practiced on.
Speaker 2: It's mind boggling so many things. I can be a
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist. I can go there with the idea of
Speaker 2: there are all sorts of things that happen from officials
Speaker 2: to people that we don't know about, and it just
Speaker 2: terrifies me. It really frightens me. Do I believe it's
Speaker 2: probably true? I do, how about you?
Speaker 3: I don't know if I believe it's all true.
Speaker 1: I just find it odd that this Carlos Alende man
Speaker 1: talks about this happening. Al Biela talks about this happening.
Speaker 1: Duncan Cameron says this happened. Peter Nichols said, this happened.
Speaker 1: I can't find any documentation, and I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't unearth it that showed that these men
Speaker 1: all together knew each other and talked and cooked this up.
Speaker 1: And so I do think where there's smoke, there's fire.
Speaker 1: I do think something happened. I don't know if all
Speaker 1: that they said happened happened, because it does seem quite fantastical.
Speaker 1: It frustrates me that every time someone is a whistleblower,
Speaker 1: or someone talks about something they're not supposed to, they
Speaker 1: either end up suiciding themselves or they turn out to
Speaker 1: be mentally unstable. And I just find that coincidental. Either
Speaker 1: the powers that be discredit them and make them appear
Speaker 1: or show that they are insane, or these men or
Speaker 1: women who share these stories disappear or commit suicide, and
Speaker 1: I just find that kind of odd.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of this kind of stuff
Speaker 2: that is so fascinating to us that will never be
Speaker 2: able to prove. There'll never be a time where we
Speaker 2: can say conclusively, yes, this really did happen, or no,
Speaker 2: it really did not happen.
Speaker 1: I do respectfully disagree with you a little bit. I
Speaker 1: hope that some of this information will come to light.
Speaker 1: If you look at all the stuff that was hidden,
Speaker 1: for example, during the Spanish Inquisition, and a lot of
Speaker 1: that has now come to light. So I don't know
Speaker 1: if it'll come to light in our lifetime, but I
Speaker 1: do think eventually, Well, we mentioned Project paper Clip on
Speaker 1: the show a couple of months ago, the fact that
Speaker 1: we were actively recruiting known Nazis to work on our
Speaker 1: space program in the nineteen fifties. You would never think
Speaker 1: that would come to light, but it did, and now
Speaker 1: we know it's true. I do hope that some of
Speaker 1: this will come to light, and I do think I
Speaker 1: may clarifa.
Speaker 2: I didn't say I didn't hope it would. I just
Speaker 2: said I didn't think it would.
Speaker 1: No, I know you said you didn't think it would
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think it will it.
Speaker 2: Goes to oh absolutely, okay, so shall we take a break.
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and when we come back
Speaker 1: deb you can share some of your stories about time
Speaker 1: slips and dimension.
Speaker 2: Ky I have a couple.
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Speaker 1: Okay, tab, go ahead and start with your tales of
Speaker 1: dimensional I.
Speaker 2: Want to take us back in time to a time
Speaker 2: that we don't often hear about this phenomenon happening, and
Speaker 2: yet this is probably one of the best known of
Speaker 2: the time slips stories that I was able to find. Now.
Speaker 2: It happened in France, so let me iss you hear
Speaker 2: a caveat in that. My French is terrible, so bear
Speaker 2: with me here. So here's the story. It happened in
Speaker 2: Versailles at the Palace of Versailles in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: A woman whose name was Charlotte Moberly and a woman
Speaker 2: whose name was Eleanor Jordaine went to visit the palace
Speaker 2: in Versailles, and they in August of nineteen oh one
Speaker 2: went by train. They remember not thinking much about the
Speaker 2: palace after touring it, said they decided to walk through
Speaker 2: the gardens to a particular area and then found that
Speaker 2: it was close to the public. They recollected traveling with
Speaker 2: a guide book and said that they became lost. After
Speaker 2: missing the turn for the main avenue in Versailles, they
Speaker 2: entered a lane where they bypassed their destination, and Charlotte
Speaker 2: reported that she noticed a woman shaking a white cloth
Speaker 2: out of a window. And Eleanor said that she saw
Speaker 2: an old, deserted farmhouse, and outside there was an old plow.
Speaker 2: And so at this point they began to feel dreary
Speaker 2: and oppressed. And after that they met men who looked
Speaker 2: like palace gardeners, who gave them directions, told them to
Speaker 2: go on straight down this walkway, she said the men,
Speaker 2: and this is a quote here. Charlotte said that the
Speaker 2: men were very dignified officials, dressed in long grayish green
Speaker 2: coats with small three cornered hats. And Elvera reported that
Speaker 2: she noticed a cottage with a woman holding a jug
Speaker 2: to a girl in a doorway. They really were walking
Speaker 2: down this path in Versailles and seeing things that felt
Speaker 2: and seemed and appeared to them to be very real.
Speaker 2: And then Eleanor says everything suddenly looked unnatural, unpleasant. Even
Speaker 2: the trees seemed to become flat and lifeless, like wood
Speaker 2: worked into tapestry. There was no effect of light and shade,
Speaker 2: and no wind stirred the trees. Instead, they reached the
Speaker 2: edge of the woods and they came across a man
Speaker 2: seated by a garden and a bench, wearing a cloak
Speaker 2: and a large hat. His appearance was, says Charlotte, most repulsive,
Speaker 2: his expression odious. Eleanor says he looked as if he
Speaker 2: had had small box, and then he had dark eyes
Speaker 2: that they did not like at all. And nearby there
Speaker 2: was a woman sketching on the grass who looked at
Speaker 2: them as they crossed a bridge. She later said the
Speaker 2: woman was wearing a light summer dress and a white
Speaker 2: hat with lots of hair. She thought she might be
Speaker 2: another tourist, but the drifts appeared to be old fashioned. Later,
Speaker 2: Charlotte says she thought the lady was Murray Antoinette, But
Speaker 2: Eleanor didn't see this woman, only Charlotte did. Then they
Speaker 2: returned to the palace and joined a party of other visitors,
Speaker 2: and then they felt what everything was back, kind of
Speaker 2: back to normal. So for some time after this they
Speaker 2: just didn't talk about it. It's almost as if they
Speaker 2: were afraid to bring it up to each other. And
Speaker 2: then finally Charlotte sends a letter to her sister and says,
Speaker 2: let me tell you about what happened here, And so
Speaker 2: she asked eleanor finally what she thought. And sometime later
Speaker 2: they began to write separate accounts of what had happened
Speaker 2: to them, what they had experienced during this trick. And
Speaker 2: it was some time later that eventually they actually ended
Speaker 2: up writing a book about it. They said that they
Speaker 2: were they felt like they were back during the time
Speaker 2: right before the French Revolution. I keep in mind that
Speaker 2: this happened in the early nineteen hundreds. They published their
Speaker 2: book called an Adventure in nineteen eleven under pseudonyms.
Speaker 1: For people who aren't familiar with Versailles. Marie Antoinette had
Speaker 1: a village replicated on the grounds of Versailles, so she
Speaker 1: could pretend to be a common peasant, which I think
Speaker 1: is interesting in its own historical thing to contemplate during
Speaker 1: these difficult, impoverished times. So they believe that they times
Speaker 1: lived and were back in Marie Antoinette's recreated village.
Speaker 2: That is, that's correct. So one theory is exactly as
Speaker 2: you say, that these women did not realize that they
Speaker 2: had gone into this village like atmosphere that Marie Antoinette
Speaker 2: had created. It would be like you and I, for example,
Speaker 2: going to Williamsburg and suddenly while through the old village
Speaker 2: in Williamsburg that's a replica of the early days of
Speaker 2: that town, and not realizing that we crossed over into
Speaker 2: this place. Right, So that's one theory. Another theory is
Speaker 2: that they had walked into a party where people were
Speaker 2: dressed in period cops tube and performing kind of little
Speaker 2: plays in this party. Another idea is that they were
Speaker 2: simply mistaken, that their memories were inconsistent, that they did
Speaker 2: not really experience what they said they did and made
Speaker 2: it all up.
Speaker 1: Just the fact that they saw that park marked, negative
Speaker 1: looking man makes me think because every time I watch
Speaker 1: shows that are I love to watch historical TV shows
Speaker 1: and movies, but I always laugh at the actors because
Speaker 1: they're all so beautiful and they have perfect teeth and
Speaker 1: perfect skin, and it makes me think, Gosh, if we
Speaker 1: could be in a time machine and just visit these times,
Speaker 1: people would look so differently. Their skin would be pock
Speaker 1: marked because I think I think like seventy percent of
Speaker 1: the population had smallpox at some point. Their teeth would
Speaker 1: be horrible, they would smell odious, because people didn't bathe
Speaker 1: like we do today. Their clothes would be different, and
Speaker 1: their demeanor probably would feel more negative than we'd feel
Speaker 1: and exhibit our energy today, because times were more negative
Speaker 1: back then. I mean, it really was quite a different
Speaker 1: time where violence. There was no police force at this time.
Speaker 1: It was just being created after the French Revolution, so
Speaker 1: violence was rampant, and people were impoverished and hungry, and
Speaker 1: they felt they had to fight for everything they got.
Speaker 1: Just that one man she saw seems to give it
Speaker 1: some creation.
Speaker 2: Well, it does, and it's interesting, you know, whether or
Speaker 2: not it really happened, and whether it was s fictitious
Speaker 2: or whatever. One of the interesting things about this particular
Speaker 2: time slips story is that it has so captured the
Speaker 2: imagination of pequal for so many years, and it's still
Speaker 2: if you google time Slips, it's one of the first
Speaker 2: stories that comes up. So it's been around for such
Speaker 2: a long time, and I wonder what it is about
Speaker 2: this story that makes us so intrigued with it.
Speaker 1: I think the two women in particular, from what I've read,
Speaker 1: are pretty believable. They were both teachers, they were well regarded,
Speaker 1: they had great reputations. They weren't crackpots, as we saw
Speaker 1: with some connected to the Philadelphia experiment story, for example,
Speaker 1: and so I think that's one reason. They also didn't
Speaker 1: have anything to gain from sharing this story, but they
Speaker 1: did have a lot to lose. I think it's interesting
Speaker 1: if you look at these time slips stories, so many
Speaker 1: of them happen around bad weather. You'll notice a lot
Speaker 1: of these stories that people share where there's that famous
Speaker 1: one where the girl wakes up and her sheets are
Speaker 1: different in her bed, and she goes to work and
Speaker 1: she's in a different office and she's with the boyfriend
Speaker 1: she broke up with eight months ago, Like that's a
Speaker 1: pretty well known one. And the weather was kind of
Speaker 1: off that day. I think it was raining and thundering,
Speaker 1: and so it just makes me wonder if all of
Speaker 1: these dimensions past, present and future and parallel dimensions are
Speaker 1: existing at the same time. And maybe it's just different
Speaker 1: energy around us and within us, coupled with the electromagnetic
Speaker 1: energy being affected from the weather.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm not a scien see person at all, but maybe
Speaker 1: all of that creates this perfect storm for lack of
Speaker 1: a better word, now, I.
Speaker 2: Think where possibility now, whether or not they're electromagnetic things
Speaker 2: going out farther into the universe. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 2: let me tell you this story about a situation that
Speaker 2: happened in Oklahoma. This story is often referred to as
Speaker 2: the Oklahoma White Building, and it happened in the fall
Speaker 2: of nineteen seventy one where Karl, Mark and Gordon, who
Speaker 2: worked for a cattle feed distributor, were sent to a
Speaker 2: remote area of Paca City, Oklahoma, up to pick up
Speaker 2: a feeder, and what they found they did not tell
Speaker 2: or share for forty one years. So Carl says that
Speaker 2: they opened the gate, which was barbed wire had no lock,
Speaker 2: and went in which was covered with grass up over
Speaker 2: the hood of the truck. They drove through tall grass
Speaker 2: to a tank that sat close to a red barn,
Speaker 2: and they got out of the truck, and then they
Speaker 2: realized that the tank was almost at full and too
Speaker 2: heavy to load. So we decided to leave and drove
Speaker 2: around the red barn and we saw this large, two
Speaker 2: story white house with no lights in front of us.
Speaker 2: The three of them drove back to the cattle feed
Speaker 2: company and the boss said he'd drained the tank and
Speaker 2: they could pick it up tomorrow. So we went back
Speaker 2: to the location the next night. This time we decided
Speaker 2: to go through the big old white house on the hill,
Speaker 2: and they brought their shotguns. They drove on to the
Speaker 2: property over the path they'd made the grass the day before,
Speaker 2: and loaded up the tank, and then they pulled around
Speaker 2: the barn towards the house. And then they went around
Speaker 2: the barn and there was no house there. We walked
Speaker 2: up to the hill where it had stood. There was
Speaker 2: no sign of demolition, no foundation, nothing at all. What
Speaker 2: we all seemed to witness the night before was no
Speaker 2: longer there. We all talked to each other over the
Speaker 2: years about this, but none of us can explain the vision.
Speaker 2: So what's interesting here for me for this story is
Speaker 2: that this story of this building that was there one day,
Speaker 2: one night and not the next is corroborated by three people.
Speaker 2: They all saw it, and because it's the photograph that's
Speaker 2: often associated with this story shows a building that's older,
Speaker 2: not run down or anything like that. That was the
Speaker 2: image that they saw, but a large farmhouse that was
Speaker 2: just gone. But the theory is that they just were
Speaker 2: transported back in time for just a moment to perhaps
Speaker 2: see what had at some point been on that property
Speaker 2: in that space, and so they thought, well, we'll just
Speaker 2: look around while we're here. So there was a bar,
Speaker 2: and so they went around on the backside of the
Speaker 2: barn and up on this hill behind the bar was
Speaker 2: this white house. And when they went back the next day,
Speaker 2: they thought, well, you know, Geane, there's nobody out there.
Speaker 2: There's not supposed to be anything else on this property.
Speaker 2: Let's go look. And they were into the house and
Speaker 2: we're going to go look in the house. The house
Speaker 2: wasn't there.
Speaker 3: That's fascinating.
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Speaker 3: Do you have another one?
Speaker 2: Dude? Let's go to Let's go to England. In nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety six, a couple whose names were Frank and Carol
Speaker 2: were on Bolt Street in Liverpool. Apparently that's a fairly
Speaker 2: large shopping area, and they split up. Carrol was going
Speaker 2: to go to a bookshop. Frank was going to go
Speaker 2: look for CDs and music he wanted. So as he
Speaker 2: walked up the incline past the Lyceum post office flash
Speaker 2: cafe building that led onto the main area of this
Speaker 2: Bowl Street, he suddenly noticed, Frank did that he had
Speaker 2: entered a strange, what he called oasis of quietness, and
Speaker 2: he said, Suddenly, a small van that looks something out
Speaker 2: of the nineteen fifty spat across his path, hanking its
Speaker 2: horn as it narrowly missed it, and he noticed that
Speaker 2: the name on the side of the van was Kaplins.
Speaker 2: So when he looked down there was a confused policeman
Speaker 2: standing in the road, and he wasn't sure why the
Speaker 2: policeman was standing in the road, but he saw that
Speaker 2: Dylan's Bookstore, where he thought his wife was going had
Speaker 2: a different sign over the entrance and it said Crips Cripps,
Speaker 2: and so he was really confused, and so he looked
Speaker 2: in to see that there were not books in the
Speaker 2: store window as he thought where his wife had gone.
Speaker 2: But now this was a store called Cribs full of
Speaker 2: women's handbags and shoes. So he realized that there were
Speaker 2: people drafted in clothes from the nineteen forties around him,
Speaker 2: and he spotted a young woman nearby in a who
Speaker 2: was in her early twenties, dressed in a lime colored
Speaker 2: less blouse, and the handbag that she was carrying had
Speaker 2: a name on it, like handbags do these days, which
Speaker 2: reassured him that it was still partly nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: He thought this was really weird because he was seeing
Speaker 2: two time frames at one time. Basically, he felt like
Speaker 2: he was seeing this handbag store called Crips from another
Speaker 2: era and at the same time realizing that the bookstore
Speaker 2: probably was still there. So he goes inside and he
Speaker 2: was amazed that the building had completely changed in a
Speaker 2: flash back to Dylan's bookshop of the present time. The
Speaker 2: girl turned to leave, and she grasped his arm and said,
Speaker 2: did you see that, and she said, I thought it
Speaker 2: was a clothing shop, but I look around and it's
Speaker 2: a bookstore. So he was experiencing a time slip in
Speaker 2: one direction towards the past, and she, this one that
Speaker 2: he did not know, was experiencing a time slip towards
Speaker 2: the future at the same quote, TI wow.
Speaker 1: So she was like seeing into his world and he
Speaker 1: was seeing into hers. Yes, I wonder if they had
Speaker 1: some type of a psychic connection.
Speaker 2: I wonder about that. And the other thing that I
Speaker 2: wondered about was what was his wife doing. I mean,
Speaker 2: she gone into the bookstore. It was the bookstore still there,
Speaker 2: and she wasn't experiencing anything.
Speaker 1: This just all makes me think, if all of these
Speaker 1: dimensions and realities are happening at the same time, doesn't
Speaker 1: that give credence to what metaphysics teaches in that.
Speaker 3: We create our own reality.
Speaker 1: You know how, I've often said that life remember that
Speaker 1: meditation I had where my guide showed me that life
Speaker 1: is like being in a Blockbuster For anyone who remembers Blockbuster,
Speaker 1: where you can just kind of look at movies and
Speaker 1: pick which movie you want.
Speaker 3: Do you want your year to look like.
Speaker 1: A horror movie? A romance movie, a fast action movie,
Speaker 1: a drama that we get to pick. And I feel
Speaker 1: like this gives a lot of credibility to that belief.
Speaker 2: Well, I do too, and of course it certainly begs
Speaker 2: to confirm the idea that we create each lifetime. As
Speaker 2: Richard Box says in Illusions, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: For example, I was doing a reading months ago for
Speaker 1: a client and she was upset because her partner had
Speaker 1: decided to start this business that she did not want
Speaker 1: her partner to start, and she was really mad, and
Speaker 1: she kept saying, I know the business is going to fail.
Speaker 1: I know it's going to fail. I know it, and
Speaker 1: I'm going to be proven right. And I remember thinking
Speaker 1: she's going to make that happen just to prove herself right.
Speaker 1: And sure enough, even though the business was a great
Speaker 1: idea and I thought it could do well if both
Speaker 1: of them were on board and energetically sending positive energy
Speaker 1: to that outcome, it did fail. And so it just
Speaker 1: makes me think, with all these stories, what if we
Speaker 1: are creating our reality in every moment, and these things
Speaker 1: are allowed just to kind of feed the collective unconscious
Speaker 1: and behind us that this is possible.
Speaker 2: But I've thought a lot about what Einstein said about time,
Speaker 2: in that as we move on, it is speeding up.
Speaker 2: There's also the theory that time isn't real because we
Speaker 2: really only live in the now. If you read Eckertole's work,
Speaker 2: we're all just in the now, and yet the now
Speaker 2: may be a matter of perception, with what we sense
Speaker 2: and what our brains process. And there's so much about
Speaker 2: the human brain, the human psyche, the way we what
Speaker 2: is thinking, you know, all of that. It just blows
Speaker 2: my mind. It's just so much to think about, and
Speaker 2: it's so fascinating to me.
Speaker 3: It is to me too.
Speaker 1: There's a great movie on Netflix for anyone who likes
Speaker 1: lovely sweet romances. It's called About Time, and it's about
Speaker 1: a man who discovers when he turns twenty one that
Speaker 1: all the men in his family can travel back in time,
Speaker 1: not anywhere in time, to any scene or moment from
Speaker 1: their own lifetime. And so it's really cute because it
Speaker 1: shows him like falling in love with this girl and
Speaker 1: he messes up on the first date, so he goes
Speaker 1: back in time to the before the first date so
Speaker 1: he doesn't mess up. And it's really cute anyway. At
Speaker 1: the end, of the movie. I'm not giving anything away,
Speaker 1: but at the end of the movie he decides he's
Speaker 1: so happy in the present moment he doesn't need to
Speaker 1: do that anymore. And it's all about learning to live
Speaker 1: in the time that you have now and embracing it.
Speaker 1: So I really recommend that it's called about time, But
Speaker 1: it does make us think about the possibilities that we
Speaker 1: have for living in the now, for thinking beyond linear time,
Speaker 1: and for being co creators with our own universe, our
Speaker 1: own reality. If our conscious or the collective conscious has
Speaker 1: us stuck in linear time, can we, through meditation and
Speaker 1: positive visualization, change at least our little piece of the
Speaker 1: reality in this linear time? And I think these stories
Speaker 1: show that it can. I think the Philadelphia experiment that
Speaker 1: we mentioned in the beginning of the show, if there's
Speaker 1: any truth to it, is showing that maybe allegedly some
Speaker 1: aspects of the government think it is possible, and that
Speaker 1: possibly we can take from some of these spooky and
Speaker 1: interesting stories more sol of hope that we can actually
Speaker 1: move into different dimensions. We don't know how many dimensions
Speaker 1: there are. We live in the third dimension, the material world,
Speaker 1: this world of duality, where we have this illusion of separateness.
Speaker 1: But we know that there's the fourth dimension. That's the
Speaker 1: astral plane, the dream world. This is the dimension that
Speaker 1: we visit when we sleep. If anyone listening has tried
Speaker 1: astral travel or obees, it's said that where you go
Speaker 1: is the fourth dimension. Many times, this is the dimension
Speaker 1: that's ruled by the law of attraction, Like anything can
Speaker 1: happen here. So if you're filled with fear, you might
Speaker 1: see fearful th here. If you're filled with love, you
Speaker 1: will see positive, loving things here. The fourth dimension contains
Speaker 1: darkness and light, but it's also where we can tap
Speaker 1: the collective unconscious. So if we can reach the fourth
Speaker 1: dimension in the dream world, in the astral world, that
Speaker 1: means we can reach it in meditation and prayer as well.
Speaker 1: And if we can tap the collective unconscious in the
Speaker 1: fourth dimension, then we can use that energy to create
Speaker 1: our reality in the third dimension.
Speaker 2: I was on a website, a physicist's website, and this
Speaker 2: website just talked about how they were at least ten
Speaker 2: and probably more dimensions, And I think that would be
Speaker 2: a fascinating show for us to do, to just talk
Speaker 2: about the energy of all the various dimensions at some
Speaker 2: point it's way too complex for us to deal with
Speaker 2: then today in the minute or two we have left.
Speaker 2: But it was fascinating research.
Speaker 1: I think I've asked a lot in meditations and dreams,
Speaker 1: I've asked to be given more information on the dimensions,
Speaker 1: and I always get it's more than you can understand,
Speaker 1: is more than you can comprehend.
Speaker 2: I think that's true.
Speaker 3: I do too.
Speaker 1: I don't think I can really grasp it all. But
Speaker 1: even if you go back to Dante's work, there's always
Speaker 1: been this belief in levels of the afterlife. I have
Speaker 1: seen that explain to me when I've been doing mediumship readings,
Speaker 1: that there are levels to the afterlife. I believe that
Speaker 1: I've seen that. I think if there are levels to
Speaker 1: the afterlife, then surely there are levels to this life
Speaker 1: that we're living.
Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, So much of what we're talking about today,
Speaker 2: and just the concepts that we're pondering that we're saying
Speaker 2: we don't know. But it's exactly as you're saying, is
Speaker 2: that the possibilities that the layers, the dimensions, even here
Speaker 2: on this planet and beyond to universes and multiverses that
Speaker 2: we can't even yet fathom. In our brains at this
Speaker 2: point in time are so vast and so exciting, and
Speaker 2: so much to learn and so much to grasp and
Speaker 2: to give help to us. I think is the one
Speaker 2: thing that I keep coming away from the research I've
Speaker 2: been doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: And so if you're living in a reality that you're
Speaker 1: not really enjoying a whole lot right now, just think
Speaker 1: about spending some time in meditation, creative visualization through a
Speaker 1: goalbook or a vision board, through your prayer life, where
Speaker 1: you just consistently, constantly fully visualize the reality that you
Speaker 1: want and try to avoid giving energy to the things
Speaker 1: you don't want in your reality. Think about what it
Speaker 1: is you're talking about with friends and family, what it
Speaker 1: is you're worrying about, what it is you are anxious
Speaker 1: or stressed about, And really think about your day at
Speaker 1: the end of your night and think, Okay, how much
Speaker 1: energy did I give to the things I'm worried about?
Speaker 1: And how much energy did I give to the things
Speaker 1: I'm hopeful for? And if you're giving more energy to
Speaker 1: the things you're worried about, that's what you're going to manifest.
Speaker 1: And so it's important to really focus on looking at
Speaker 1: what it is I can create in my reality now
Speaker 1: and the fourth dimension with my thoughts that I can
Speaker 1: pull into the reality I am living in the third dimension.
Speaker 1: And that's what I think all these stories are about.
Speaker 1: And that's why we wanted to visit this topic again today,
Speaker 1: is to really look at it, not as.
Speaker 3: Oh, isn't that cool? And what is the.
Speaker 1: Government allegedly up to? And what is time travel? But
Speaker 1: to really think about how can you apply these stories
Speaker 1: to your own life and what can they teach us
Speaker 1: about what is possible in each of us. Well, thank
Speaker 1: you guys so much for listening. Please, if you like
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