WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.360 --> 00:00:04.080 One of the easiest words we throw around is evil. 2 00:00:04.480 --> 00:00:08.480 We call people evil, we call actions evil, we call 3 00:00:08.599 --> 00:00:12.560 systems evil. But the moment a God enters the conversation, 4 00:00:12.640 --> 00:00:16.559 people suddenly change the rules. So today let's slow it down. 5 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:21.559 What actually makes something evil? Is it intent, the outcome, 6 00:00:22.039 --> 00:00:23.800 the amount of suffering it causes. 7 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:25.280 It's evil, something. 8 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:28.199 That's wrong, no matter who does it or does A 9 00:00:28.239 --> 00:00:31.199 god get a completely different set of standards than everybody else. 10 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:32.640 And if your. 11 00:00:32.520 --> 00:00:35.799 Answer is that a loving God can't do evil by definition, 12 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:38.359 then I want to know how you reach that conclusion. 13 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:41.880 Is it because of the actions themselves or because you've 14 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:45.520 already decided that anything a god does has to be good. 15 00:00:46.119 --> 00:00:50.079 Today is about examining the standard that you're using and 16 00:00:50.119 --> 00:00:54.119 whether we're being consistent with it. So, wherever you land, 17 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:57.159 whether you're a believer, whether you're questioning your faith or 18 00:00:57.200 --> 00:00:58.240 an atheist, we want to. 19 00:00:58.240 --> 00:00:58.759 Hear from you. 20 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:02.479 If you think an evil God doesn't apply, give us 21 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:05.439 a call at five one two nine ninety one nine 22 00:01:05.519 --> 00:01:08.159 two four to two, or request up via TikTok and 23 00:01:08.200 --> 00:01:10.920 tell us why. I'm your host thinker. This is the 24 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:15.959 atheists experience, and the show is starting right now. 25 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:22.840 Hey, Guyles Engineer, how are you. 26 00:01:23.879 --> 00:01:26.200 Hey. I'm doing pretty good. You know. I was on 27 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.439 Talk keythan earlier and so now I'm on here and 28 00:01:29.879 --> 00:01:33.439 it's just been a yeah, it's been a very you know, 29 00:01:33.760 --> 00:01:36.200 call in show kind of day for me. It's been awesome. 30 00:01:36.599 --> 00:01:36.799 Wow. 31 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:39.200 I'm glad to have you here with me. We work 32 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:44.120 hard in the atheist community. I would say, well, welcome everybody. 33 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:47.159 Today is July nineteenth, twenty twenty six, and I want 34 00:01:47.200 --> 00:01:49.359 to welcome all of you to the Atheists Experience. Thank 35 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:51.719 you so much for joining us. I'm your host Thinker 36 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:54.920 and joining me today. 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I'm hi, How are you hi? 59 00:02:57.360 --> 00:02:57.919 Andrew? 60 00:02:58.680 --> 00:02:59.719 Ahgardless? 61 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:03.280 I'm going to ask someone from the team if you 62 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:05.319 could let my TikTok account up on stage for me? 63 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:05.680 Please? 64 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:10.639 What what are your thoughts on your God being evil 65 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:11.639 and you knowing it? 66 00:03:12.360 --> 00:03:12.560 Well? 67 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:15.639 Well, I want to know what's what you mean by evil? 68 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:20.719 Like are you talking about like evil from the standard of. 69 00:03:20.680 --> 00:03:23.520 Harm or where? What do you mean by like God 70 00:03:23.599 --> 00:03:24.120 being evil? 71 00:03:25.240 --> 00:03:25.520 Yeah? 72 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:31.039 Well, the definition of evil is wicked and moral infliction 73 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:34.759 of intentional harm injustices. 74 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:36.319 Or injustice? 75 00:03:37.199 --> 00:03:40.479 So yeah, like, do you have a different definition of evil? 76 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:46.520 Well being? I would believe that anything that goes outside 77 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:48.599 of God's preferences would be evil. 78 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:54.479 Anything that goes outside of his purpose is evil. I 79 00:03:54.520 --> 00:03:55.759 mean it's not evil. 80 00:03:57.319 --> 00:04:03.439 So if it's like, if anything goes against his preference. 81 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:05.439 It would be evil. 82 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:11.080 So an atheist, right, someone not obeying him would be evil. 83 00:04:11.560 --> 00:04:14.879 Yeah, that would be evil according to Christians, just like 84 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:18.800 secularists would say that Christians would be evil if they 85 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:21.040 follow the Old Testament. 86 00:04:21.079 --> 00:04:26.279 Got so, when your God's holy spirit commands you to 87 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:30.319 go and kill thirty random people, that's not evil. 88 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:30.839 That's good. 89 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:34.160 You're talking about the amaletized. 90 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:34.959 What are you talking about? 91 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:39.199 No, No, I have been. If your God's spirit commanded 92 00:04:39.240 --> 00:04:42.600 you right to go and kill thirty random people, would 93 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:43.240 that be good? 94 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:45.319 If he asked me to do that today? 95 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:45.959 Yes? 96 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:50.600 Oh no, then then I wouldn't do it because I'm not. 97 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:53.079 Asking if you would do it. I'm asking. I'm not 98 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:55.959 asking would you do it? I'm asking would that be good? 99 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:59.360 You said anything that goes against his purpose is evil? 100 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:03.199 Your god purpose is obedience, is to obey his will. 101 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.519 So if his will is for you to kill thirty 102 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:09.360 random people, then that would be then good. 103 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:10.959 Yeah, that would be good. 104 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:12.680 What's the counter argument to it? 105 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:14.000 Would that not be good? 106 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:15.759 To kill thirty random people. 107 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:18.879 So anybody could say that the Holy Spirit led them 108 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:20.839 to kill thirty people because it was God's will. 109 00:05:21.319 --> 00:05:23.079 Yeah, what's the argument against then? 110 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:27.120 That killing people is harmful? That's intentional harm. 111 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:28.319 Why is that bad? 112 00:05:29.240 --> 00:05:30.879 Why is intentional harm bad? 113 00:05:31.519 --> 00:05:31.680 Yeah? 114 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.079 God told them to do it, they'll being their God. 115 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:35.240 Why would that be bad? 116 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:38.879 Well, one, because it's causing intentional harm, and then it 117 00:05:38.920 --> 00:05:41.480 would create chaos because all of you are talking to 118 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:43.600 your God in your head and no one can verify 119 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:45.160 whether a god told you anything. 120 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:47.639 You all are bickering with each other? 121 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:50.800 Are you all are bickering with each other, whether y'all 122 00:05:50.800 --> 00:05:53.360 are true Christians or not? Like y'all don't even agree 123 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:56.839 with each other when when y'all say God said, Like, 124 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.439 I think you're being obtuse right now when you're asking 125 00:05:59.439 --> 00:06:02.639 why would that be bad? The world would be in chaos. 126 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:04.439 The world would be in chaos if all of you 127 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.000 were actually listening to a god and obeying it. 128 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.000 Yeah, but you can't demonstrate that the world being chaos. 129 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:11.839 You can't demonstrate that. 130 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:15.120 I can't. Are you serious right now? Like you can't 131 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:15.600 be serious? 132 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:16.600 You can't demonstrate that. 133 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:20.480 I can't demonstrate that if everybody thought that a God 134 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:22.439 was talking to them in their head and every time 135 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:24.839 they wanted to kill somebody, that they could just go 136 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:27.639 kill and say God told me to. I cannot demonstrate 137 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:29.959 that would be chaos. Like, what do you think we 138 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:30.759 have laws for? 139 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:31.879 What do you know? 140 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:33.279 What do you think we have laws for? 141 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:36.839 Hold on, you made a claim, you said the world 142 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:37.720 would being chaos. 143 00:06:37.959 --> 00:06:40.839 I am I am proving that claim right now. But 144 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.560 I think you're trying to do some philosophical syllogism that 145 00:06:44.600 --> 00:06:45.079 you are. 146 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:49.879 Not equipped to do. Why do we have laws? Why 147 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:50.800 do we have laws? 148 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:51.079 What? 149 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:53.199 Why do we have laws? 150 00:06:53.360 --> 00:06:55.959 I don't know why. I don't know why we have laws. 151 00:06:56.240 --> 00:06:58.399 You literally said that I cannot prove that the world 152 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:00.879 would be in chaos if everybody just killed whenever they 153 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:02.240 wanted to and say God told them to. 154 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.360 Yeah, so you can need to demonstrate or. 155 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:08.759 Why do we have laws against murder? 156 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:11.240 Because people don't want to be murdered, that's why. 157 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:14.000 Because people don't want to be murdered, or because it 158 00:07:14.040 --> 00:07:16.399 would be chaos. People would just be killing whenever they 159 00:07:16.439 --> 00:07:19.839 wanted to. We have laws against murder to detour people 160 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:21.439 from murdering, so. 161 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:23.360 That it would not be chaos so. 162 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:26.160 That people wouldn't just be taking lives whenever they felt 163 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:28.199 like it, and then saying God told me to. 164 00:07:28.920 --> 00:07:31.040 So you're against any kind of military action. 165 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:36.560 Then it's military action murder. Yeah, military action is murdered. 166 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:40.800 So then when here gonsens the Israelite army to fight 167 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:44.959 against cities far away from them, he was murdering people. 168 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:46.639 He was instructing the Israelites to murder. 169 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.720 Yeah, so why was he doing that? He was instructing 170 00:07:49.720 --> 00:07:52.079 them to kill people who went against the Israelites. 171 00:07:52.160 --> 00:07:55.240 He was instructing them to murder, although he gave a 172 00:07:55.319 --> 00:07:56.959 law that says do not murder. So, your God is 173 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:59.600 a hypocrite, Well, I think he's not only. Your God 174 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:02.040 is not only evil, he's also a hypocrite. 175 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:04.720 Well so a secularist, they're also hypocrites, none of you, 176 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:05.639 none of them are Vegan. 177 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:08.920 Well, we're not talking about seculars. We're talking about your God. Like, 178 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:11.399 are you agreeing with me that your God is evil 179 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:12.240 and a hypocrite? 180 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:15.600 No, this is kind of easy because you're the same way. 181 00:08:16.519 --> 00:08:17.680 I mean, this is kind of easy. 182 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:20.839 The topic isn't me, though, The topic is your God. 183 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:22.800 Your God is evil and you know it. 184 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:25.600 And so instead of you calling in trying to say 185 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:27.600 that he isn't evil, you should have just said, yeah, 186 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:29.920 I know, my God is evil, and he's a hypocrite, 187 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:32.799 and he commands people to murder, and he gave me 188 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:34.679 permission to murder whenever I feel like it. 189 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:38.320 Well, I answered directly, no, he won't be a hypocrite, 190 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:41.919 because God gives the rules. If he tells people, now, saw. 191 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.240 That you saw not murder, and he says you're on 192 00:08:45.320 --> 00:08:46.879 a mission to murder. 193 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:49.480 He obviously when he's talking about you saw. 194 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:53.480 Not murder, he's talking about like other Israelites. 195 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:56.919 So he still said don't murder. 196 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:02.480 He literally says in Leviticus nineteen thirty three through thirty four, 197 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:04.639 to treat a foreigner the same way that you would 198 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:06.159 treat an Israelite when. 199 00:09:05.960 --> 00:09:06.759 They live in the land. 200 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.000 So murdering a foreigner when they live in the land 201 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:13.480 of Israel is against your God's law. 202 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.000 And in fact, I know a king. 203 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:18.720 I know a king whose name is David, who went 204 00:09:18.759 --> 00:09:22.200 against that law and murdered a hit Tite while that 205 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:25.600 hit Tite was away fighting in the Israelite army for 206 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:29.240 that Israelite king. And that king wanted it that hit 207 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:32.679 Tit's wife, so he went and slept with his wife, 208 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:37.399 got up pregnant, and then killed that hit tight because 209 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:39.320 he wouldn't sleep with his wife and take credit for 210 00:09:39.360 --> 00:09:43.799 his baby. And your God did not make David die 211 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:46.600 according to his law, a murderer was supposed to be 212 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:49.879 executed when you go against the law, and your God 213 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:50.679 didn't require that. 214 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.480 So he is a hypocrite. He is evil and a hypocrite. 215 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:57.759 He killed an innocent baby because David wanted some Illnina. 216 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:02.000 Okay, so God is evil in a hypocrite. I mean 217 00:10:02.000 --> 00:10:05.440 that would make you the same way. 218 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:08.159 Please explain that to me. Why would that make me 219 00:10:08.240 --> 00:10:08.720 the same way? 220 00:10:08.799 --> 00:10:10.399 Vegan? Are you? 221 00:10:10.480 --> 00:10:12.960 Huh? I do not eat meat. 222 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:17.639 I do not eat beef or pork have it in 223 00:10:17.679 --> 00:10:18.720 seven years. 224 00:10:19.639 --> 00:10:21.480 I do eat eggs every now and then I eat 225 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:22.320 brown eggs. 226 00:10:22.639 --> 00:10:26.559 Oh, so you justified the killing and animals. 227 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:30.320 No, the eggs are not born yet. Go ahead, Gods. 228 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:34.480 Well, I was just gonna say, for one thing, Andrew, 229 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:39.679 you've totally divorced your idea of morality from any real 230 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:42.799 sense of morality. As soon as you're as soon as 231 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:46.000 you say that what is evil or what is bad 232 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:49.480 is anything that deviates from God's purpose. You no longer 233 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:53.679 are concerned with the morality that affects people. You care 234 00:10:53.799 --> 00:10:59.600 about pleasing your sky Daddy essentially, So like I get 235 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:01.519 to your t to do some kind of purity test 236 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:04.399 with think or here as far as like eating meat 237 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:08.120 or anything like that. But the fact of the matter 238 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:11.120 is is that you have no sense of morality. You 239 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:14.480 don't care about being a good and moral person in 240 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:18.279 a society. Because we're sitting here trying to explain to 241 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:21.480 you why in a society, in a successful society, why 242 00:11:21.519 --> 00:11:25.919 it's bad to kill another person, and I feel like 243 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.840 that is just indicative of the fact that you've completely 244 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:32.039 divorced yourself from any real sense of morality and you 245 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:35.559 are now in a headspace where you're just trying to 246 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:39.159 please an all powerful god so that he won't burn 247 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:41.840 you in hell forever. So I don't want to hear 248 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:45.960 any kind of like moral grandstanding from you about whether 249 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:48.600 or not somebody's vegan or if they eat meat or 250 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:51.440 anything like that, because you don't really care about that. 251 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:54.039 If you cared about that, you wouldn't follow a god 252 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.559 that hamstrung horses and Joshua. 253 00:11:57.120 --> 00:11:57.600 You wouldn't. 254 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:00.879 I mean, you can't tell me that God cares about 255 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:03.080 the lives of animals or anything like that when he 256 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.120 commands his people to utterly destroy those animals. So don't 257 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:10.080 grandstand with this here, okay, because you don't give a 258 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:12.799 shit about animals and your God doesn't give a shit 259 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:13.720 about animals. 260 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:16.519 No, I don't care about animals. I'm trying to point 261 00:12:16.519 --> 00:12:20.720 out the hypocrisy of seculars because they believe, they say 262 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:24.480 that their morality is superior to religious people. And so 263 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:27.519 when religious people point out that, hey, none of you 264 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:30.120 guys are most of you guys aren't vegans, and you're 265 00:12:30.120 --> 00:12:32.639 saying that the god is God at the Old Testament. 266 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:35.039 Is evil because he does all this death and destruction. 267 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:38.720 But most anthier support death and destruction of animals because 268 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:40.679 none of them won't will not be. 269 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:44.240 No, no, no, no, Andrew, quit fucking grandstanding about animals 270 00:12:44.279 --> 00:12:48.320 right now. Quit grand no, quit fucking grandstanding about animals 271 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:50.120 because you already said that you don't give a shit 272 00:12:50.200 --> 00:12:53.600 about animals. And also, us caring about the lives of 273 00:12:53.720 --> 00:12:57.240 human beings as well as other animals, it means that 274 00:12:57.320 --> 00:13:00.799 we actually do care about that. And just because somebody 275 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:04.799 is more omnivorous than maybe you are, doesn't mean that 276 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:10.320 they somehow love to torture animals like hamstringing horses or 277 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:14.399 utterly destroying animals in a field of battle just because 278 00:13:15.039 --> 00:13:18.440 you know you're up against another force. Okay, your God 279 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:23.279 specifically commanded the Israelites to disembowel animals and burn their 280 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:26.039 entrails on an altar so that he could just swell 281 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:29.000 the sweet savor of the barbecue at the time, So 282 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.559 don't grandstand about this kind of shit. We could care 283 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:36.600 about animals and be omnivorous at the exact same time, 284 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.919 whereas your God, not giving a shit about animals, demanded 285 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.240 that they be disemboweled and then have their entrails burned, 286 00:13:44.440 --> 00:13:47.240 as well as ham stringing animals so that they suffer 287 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:50.120 and die. That means that he doesn't give a shit 288 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:53.039 about animals, and he wants the animals to suffer in 289 00:13:53.120 --> 00:13:57.159 the most cruelest of ways. We don't want that. Like, 290 00:13:57.279 --> 00:14:00.960 even if both of us were more omnibus yours, it 291 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:04.000 doesn't matter, because your God just doesn't give a shit 292 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:09.200 about suffering. He only cares about, about, you know, appeasing 293 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:11.919 his own personal whims. And that's and that's how it's 294 00:14:11.960 --> 00:14:15.919 completely divorced from any kind of sense of morality, whether 295 00:14:16.039 --> 00:14:20.080 you want to extend that morality to more of the 296 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:23.600 animal kingdom than just humans. So, yeah, your God doesn't 297 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.639 give a shit about that. Don't try to morally grandstand 298 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:27.440 anybody here. 299 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:30.879 I'm not I'm not I'm not morally granted, And I'm 300 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:32.320 just pointing out the hypocrisy. 301 00:14:32.399 --> 00:14:33.320 That's all I was doing on. 302 00:14:33.720 --> 00:14:37.679 We're not We're not Yeah, we're not being We're not 303 00:14:37.720 --> 00:14:38.559 being hypocrites. 304 00:14:40.279 --> 00:14:41.200 That's hypocritical. 305 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:43.080 The thing is is that you want to turn the 306 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:46.759 conversation to humans when we're talking about your God, Like 307 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:50.480 it's like that you have become your God's gaygoat or 308 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:53.519 your God's sacrifice, like you need to stand in front 309 00:14:53.519 --> 00:14:56.440 of him to protect him. Your God made decisions, Like 310 00:14:56.559 --> 00:14:58.480 let's talk about the decisions that he made. 311 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:01.120 Yeah, but if God created them hi universe, he can 312 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:04.519 do whatever he can do with his creation, whatever he wants, right. 313 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:06.200 I mean it's cool that you think that, But what 314 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:07.600 we're talking about is whether. 315 00:15:07.399 --> 00:15:10.200 He is evil in a hypocrite and whether you are 316 00:15:10.320 --> 00:15:12.759 changing the definition of what evil is because it is 317 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:15.000 your God and you feel like he can do whatever 318 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:17.440 he wants. That still doesn't mean that it's not evil 319 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:21.039 your I mean, your God literally gave his enemy permission 320 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:22.440 to fuck with y'all. 321 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:26.000 And you call that love. Like in the story your. 322 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:28.519 God could not beat his enemy, your God, let me 323 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:29.200 finish speaking. 324 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:33.639 Please, let me finish speaking. Please. In your God's story 325 00:15:34.120 --> 00:15:35.559 he could not beat his enemy. 326 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:39.279 He kicked his enemy down to earth where his loving 327 00:15:39.399 --> 00:15:43.080 human beings are, who are weaker than him, for y'all 328 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.519 to fight his enemy, and you call that love. 329 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:47.080 Would you do that to your children? 330 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:49.600 You said? 331 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:50.279 No? 332 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:52.320 When I do my children? 333 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:56.159 Would you lock your children in a room with your enemy? 334 00:15:56.679 --> 00:15:58.320 Yo, I'm want to lock my children in the room 335 00:15:58.320 --> 00:15:58.799 with my enemy. 336 00:15:59.600 --> 00:15:59.879 Why not? 337 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.600 It's just I don't know why I wouldn't do I 338 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:04.080 just wouldn't do it. 339 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:04.960 You don't know why. 340 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:07.919 You don't know why you wouldn't lock your children in 341 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:11.399 the room with your mortal enemy. 342 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:11.720 No. 343 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:13.679 I wouldn't do it because I was told that it 344 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:14.480 was wrong to do that. 345 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:16.480 Who told you it was wrong? 346 00:16:17.879 --> 00:16:20.399 Like any harm that come to kids would be would 347 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:20.799 be wrong? 348 00:16:21.480 --> 00:16:22.200 Who told you that? 349 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:26.720 My parents, people around me? 350 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:30.759 So your parents told you that it was wrong to 351 00:16:30.799 --> 00:16:35.720 do harm to kids, any harm. And that's the reason. 352 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:37.759 I just want to make sure. The reason you would 353 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:38.360 not lock. 354 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:41.279 Your child in the room, in a room with your 355 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:42.960 mortal enemy is. 356 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:44.840 Because your parents told you it would be wrong to 357 00:16:44.879 --> 00:16:47.679 harm kids. Not because you love your children, but because 358 00:16:47.720 --> 00:16:49.759 your mommy and daddy would get you. 359 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:51.840 No, they just told me that it was wrong to 360 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:53.679 do stuff like that to Any kind of harm that 361 00:16:53.720 --> 00:16:55.159 would come to kids is wrong. 362 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:57.360 Do you have children? 363 00:16:58.919 --> 00:16:59.279 I don't. 364 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:00.159 That's why. 365 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:02.039 That's why your answer is the way it is because 366 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:04.559 you don't understand the love to love, what it means 367 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:07.279 to love a child. Now, if your mommy and daddy 368 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:10.119 locked you in a room with their mortal enemy, would 369 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:11.920 you feel like your mother and father loved. 370 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:20.000 You locking in with their mortal enemy. And it depends 371 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:20.880 and gave. 372 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:23.640 And gave that mortal enemy free range to do whatever 373 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.839 it to you. Oh No, that's not love. 374 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:27.960 Would you think it was evil? 375 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:29.480 I would think it was evil. 376 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:32.960 Yeah, But when your God does it, it's not evil. 377 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:34.240 It's love. 378 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:37.599 God locked somebody in her said, God, lock somebody in 379 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:39.240 a room. 380 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:41.960 Right now, we're talking about Hell, Andrew, keep. 381 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:44.079 Up, No, I'm talking about Earth. 382 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:47.920 You're you are on earth with your You are on 383 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:52.160 earth right with your God's mortal enemy running free to 384 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.279 fuck with you anytime he wants. He kicked his mortal 385 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:59.079 enemy out of heaven down to Earth where it's precious, 386 00:17:59.119 --> 00:18:02.559 and where's precious. You's arm yeah, yeah, and now it's 387 00:18:02.640 --> 00:18:04.519 your job to fight his enemy. 388 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:07.720 And when he could have just if he's. 389 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.480 All powerful, he could have just destroyed his enemy in 390 00:18:10.480 --> 00:18:14.000 heaven right when when Satan was up there causing trouble 391 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:16.720 and said, he kicked him down here to Earth so 392 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:20.440 he could mess with the weaker humans and gave him 393 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:23.160 free range in an army to do it, an army 394 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:25.480 of demons to help him. 395 00:18:26.400 --> 00:18:30.000 You said something before you said that, God, God, You 396 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:32.400 said that God said somebody that to sleep with a child. 397 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:37.400 Did I did not say that, Oh, poor, poor, poor poor, 398 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:40.240 I did. 399 00:18:40.119 --> 00:18:43.000 Not say that. No. Listen, listen. 400 00:18:44.000 --> 00:18:46.880 The earth is analogous to. 401 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:48.599 The room that your parents lacked you in. 402 00:18:49.279 --> 00:18:55.079 Okay, God is analogous to your parents. The devil is 403 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:57.759 analogous to your parents enemy. 404 00:18:58.359 --> 00:19:01.640 Get it? Yeah, Okay, So. 405 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:06.559 You're a God kicked his enemy out of his house 406 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:11.359 down to yours where you are his humans, and gave 407 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:14.160 his enemy, free range to do whatever he wants to 408 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:17.359 do to his precious humans. 409 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:19.359 Does that make sense? Okay? 410 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:23.680 Well no, I mean you said God, you're talking about. 411 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:28.759 Lucifer in the Bible the same same is just anybody 412 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:31.400 who who who goes against God? 413 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:33.640 But is there a devil? 414 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:36.599 Yeah? They or something like that. 415 00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:38.079 So there, so you know who I'm talking about? 416 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:40.480 Anybody? Yeah, anybody can be a devil. 417 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:42.759 But is there a devil? 418 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.640 Is there a did your God kick an angel out 419 00:19:46.640 --> 00:19:50.359 of heaven that is the devil? The dragon that deceived 420 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:52.599 the whole world that was a liar from the beginning 421 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:53.400 or no. 422 00:19:54.359 --> 00:19:56.440 I don't remember the context, but I think there were 423 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:56.680 for a. 424 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:59.519 Year either you have a devil or not? 425 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:00.519 Yeah? 426 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:04.480 Yeah, yeah, Now what do you mean this? Actually? Know 427 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:05.720 y'all got a real. 428 00:20:09.880 --> 00:20:15.799 Like what Andrew, Andrew? Are you a Christian? Andrew? Are 429 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.480 you a Christian? Are you sure? Because it feels like 430 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:19.839 you're bullshitting us right now? 431 00:20:20.279 --> 00:20:21.839 Why we're not being a Christian? 432 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:25.920 Well, because you're acting confused about whether or not Satan 433 00:20:26.039 --> 00:20:27.400 exists in your theology. 434 00:20:28.279 --> 00:20:31.039 Well, when people think are saying they're thinking about the 435 00:20:31.839 --> 00:20:34.279 double horns and a white and a pitchfork or something 436 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:37.039 like that. That's that's not how I describe or not. 437 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:39.400 When have we described Satan that way? 438 00:20:39.880 --> 00:20:41.720 That's when most people have most people describing. 439 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:46.480 Okay, well, all we've mentioned is is the theological figure 440 00:20:46.559 --> 00:20:50.240 of Satan and what the theology claims about Satan, meaning 441 00:20:50.240 --> 00:20:52.880 that Satan is the ruler of this world. That's what 442 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.920 the theology says. So how about how about get out 443 00:20:57.039 --> 00:20:59.799 whatever you've got in mind as far as what we 444 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:04.960 could or could not mean. We're just talking about fucking Satan. Okay, Andrew, 445 00:21:05.359 --> 00:21:07.960 that's what we're talking about. You're being obtuse right now. 446 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:09.720 You're being purposefully obtuse. 447 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:14.880 I've never heard of that word. Okay, you never. 448 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:15.640 Heard of obtuse. 449 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:17.680 I'm not I never heard of that word. 450 00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:24.319 Meaning like you're being purposefully ignorant. You're being you're being 451 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:27.720 purposefully you're playing dumb is essentially what you're doing. 452 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:30.559 I'm sorry you're. 453 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:34.680 Playing dumb that. There's no way you in New Jersey 454 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:39.359 don't have some kind of like theological concept of Satan 455 00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:42.359 and what that means, whether it's a redheaded figure with 456 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:46.359 horns and a pitchfork or just the actual theological like 457 00:21:46.759 --> 00:21:50.599 figure that that is in apologetics, like you have a 458 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:54.440 concept of it. You know what Thinker's talking about. You're 459 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:55.480 being obtuse. 460 00:21:56.200 --> 00:21:57.839 No, I was just making sure we talk about the 461 00:21:58.160 --> 00:22:01.359 same the same thing, because I didn't wonder that's that's 462 00:22:01.440 --> 00:22:03.880 just that was just clarifying, that's that's true. I don't 463 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:06.759 think being up too or whatever the word does. 464 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:10.440 You literally said that Satan is just anybody who goes 465 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:13.279 against the God. You tried to play like you didn't 466 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:15.400 know who I was talking about when you said, are 467 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:16.599 you talking about Lucifer? 468 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:18.680 Is his name Lucifer? You were being up to. 469 00:22:20.160 --> 00:22:22.039 No, because people call Lucifer. 470 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:27.440 Sayan right, those are similar. Yes, those are the same figure, 471 00:22:27.599 --> 00:22:31.480 Lucifer Satan, Like, however you want to mention him, That's 472 00:22:31.519 --> 00:22:35.000 who Thinker was talking about. You knew that's who Thinker 473 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:38.359 was talking about. You know the theology that we're talking 474 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:41.039 about right now. So you're you're just you're you're being 475 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:46.279 really you're pissing me off. Listen, Andrew, what God? God 476 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:49.799 is evil? Just by the claimed actions in his Holy Book? 477 00:22:49.920 --> 00:22:52.000 How do you feel about the Bible? Do you think 478 00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:53.759 the Bible is representative of God? 479 00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:54.880 Yeah? 480 00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:59.920 Of course, Okay, point to me in the Bible, where say, 481 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:05.559 does anything that's that's out of the realm of God's commands, 482 00:23:05.599 --> 00:23:08.759 that there is something that's against what God has asked 483 00:23:08.799 --> 00:23:09.160 him to. 484 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:14.960 Do, that's something that does on his own, without God 485 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:16.000 telling him to do something. 486 00:23:16.480 --> 00:23:18.200 But first, I think I think we need to find 487 00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:22.400 out if he thinks Satan is evil, because that's the definition, 488 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:23.960 right of what evil is. 489 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:26.200 So do you think Satan is evil? 490 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:29.880 Well, I've been trying to look into a narcissism. 491 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:35.319 Of narcissism states that Satan was was probably most likely 492 00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:37.960 the good guy. So I've been trying to look into 493 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.079 that for a while, and you know, nacissism trying to 494 00:23:41.119 --> 00:23:42.039 makes sense a little bit. 495 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:45.079 But but but as I. 496 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:47.640 Stand now, yeah, I would I would say I would 497 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:48.480 say Satan is evil. 498 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.400 Okay, okay, now can you answer God with question? 499 00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:54.480 Can you repeat his question again? 500 00:23:55.519 --> 00:23:59.599 Yeah? When point book chapter verse of the Bible where 501 00:23:59.720 --> 00:24:03.720 Satan does something that is not either at God's command 502 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:09.279 or uh due to you know, due to God in general? 503 00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:11.200 Can can you point to a book chapter verse where 504 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:17.240 he does something that's that's you know, outside of God's Yeah. 505 00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:19.799 When he tried to attempt Jesus in the in in 506 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:21.799 a in a wilderness and. 507 00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:25.480 Okay, so, so the best you've got is is Satan 508 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.519 twerked for Jesus and tempted him in the desert. 509 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.599 But wasn't that part of the plant right right? 510 00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:34.440 Is in the Bible. 511 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.559 He doesn't say twerking. I was being hyperbolic. 512 00:24:39.200 --> 00:24:42.920 Oh no, but yeah, that that's that's to give you something. 513 00:24:43.000 --> 00:24:45.200 So that's that's what it is. He tried to turn 514 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.640 and get behind me, and and that was that. 515 00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:53.319 So so so Satan did something that God didn't want 516 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:55.920 him to do, and God didn't stop him from doing it. 517 00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:59.599 And did God know that Satan was going to tempt Jesus? 518 00:25:00.440 --> 00:25:02.240 I don't know. It doesn't sit in a scripture. 519 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:12.279 I mean, is God omniscient? Does God know everything? 520 00:25:13.680 --> 00:25:15.559 Oh? That's that's a good question. I don't don't. I 521 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:16.000 don't think. 522 00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:21.359 Okay, you know, it's really hard to discuss Christian theology 523 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:24.680 with you, Andrew. When you're all over the place about 524 00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:27.599 Christian theology, it kind of seems like you're in the 525 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:30.720 process of making up your own theology to fit in 526 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:33.359 whatever narrative works in your head. That's what it seems 527 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:34.920 like to me. I don't. I don't know, what do 528 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:36.279 you think think. I don't. 529 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:38.599 I don't change I don't change the topic. 530 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:41.160 You I didn't claim that you changed the topic. 531 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:43.359 I mean I didn't just I'm all over the place. 532 00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:45.319 I was just answering your questions. I didn't I didn't 533 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:46.359 take us all over the place. 534 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:49.720 No, I'm saying that your theology is all over the place, 535 00:25:50.000 --> 00:25:54.440 like you're not sticking to like a Christian theology. You're 536 00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:59.200 just whenever we ask you about something concerned with the topic, 537 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.440 you just throw in some random bullshit that you know, 538 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.279 is is a little difficult for us to interact with 539 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:09.960 because it's a lot like going to a buffet and 540 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:15.200 you're mixing like the fucking lettuce with goddamn ribs, and uh, 541 00:26:15.319 --> 00:26:17.599 you know, you know, it's just it's really, it's really 542 00:26:17.640 --> 00:26:21.720 fucking weird for you to come in here throw out gnosticism, 543 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.799 like and I don't know who Satan is, which is bullshit. 544 00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:26.960 It's like, I don't know who Satan is, Well, it's 545 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:30.559 Lucifer and Satan the same character. Like, like, it's just 546 00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:33.839 I don't know, it's just a little difficult to interact 547 00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:38.720 with somebody who's actively doing buffet Christianity in in the 548 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:40.039 weirdest possible way. 549 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:45.400 But thinker said that everybody got their own version of Christianity. 550 00:26:46.359 --> 00:26:49.319 Well, I mean yeah, eventually people just pick out the 551 00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:50.319 parts that they like. 552 00:26:50.799 --> 00:26:52.119 Wait, did you hear me say that? 553 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:54.039 You said, I don't know. 554 00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:56.880 Honestly, there are multiple different Yeah, she said, there are 555 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:02.200 multiple different things of Christianity. There there's there's different interpretations 556 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:07.359 and different different uh religions of sex of Christianity. That 557 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.359 ain't that's what that's what ain't what's your said? 558 00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:13.880 Did I say that today in this conversation with you? 559 00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:17.200 Yeah? Yeah, you said you said there are different uh 560 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:18.640 sex of Christianity. 561 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:22.160 They're different. Uh it was it came from the topic of. 562 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:25.079 What I killed thirty people or something like that, he said, everybody. 563 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:29.279 I just we were talking about interpretations, I said, I said, 564 00:27:29.359 --> 00:27:32.359 each Christian has their own interpretation. 565 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:35.359 Because you were all hearing from a god. 566 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:37.759 I didn't say anything about and talk to you about 567 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:39.240 different sex of Christianity. 568 00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:44.240 Yeah, but godless Engineer said that that I'm all over 569 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:46.799 the place. I have my own thing, and every Christian 570 00:27:46.839 --> 00:27:48.759 you talk to is going to say something different, Like 571 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:50.079 we're not going to say right. 572 00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.279 But do you see how we can't even have a 573 00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:56.960 conversation with you about one topic because you you have 574 00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:59.799 about five different Jesus in your head. Do you see 575 00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:03.480 the chaos that it is created and just this conversation. 576 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:09.039 Imagine if everybody thought like you and they their gods 577 00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:12.279 was telling them to murder, to rape kids, to traffic, 578 00:28:12.680 --> 00:28:14.960 to enslave, to steal. 579 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.440 Imagine the chaos that that would cause. 580 00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:23.039 Like right now, this conversation is chaotic, Like we cannot 581 00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:25.720 get a line of questioning down, We can't get an 582 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:29.640 understanding because you keep jumping from idea to idea. 583 00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:33.200 Well, well, look at Christians live their lives. Are they 584 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:36.880 are they listening? Are they going around killing people because 585 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:37.720 God told them to? 586 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:40.839 Yeah? Yeah, sometimes doing that? 587 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:43.319 And that's that's all dared a world. 588 00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:46.119 Don't go in, don't go don't go into the Islam thing. 589 00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:50.839 We're we're focusing on Christianity. They're both Abrahamic religions. Both 590 00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:54.920 of them have a horrible fundamentalist sex that are associated 591 00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:58.960 with the core theology of Abrahamic faiths in general. So 592 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.359 don't try to pivot to Islam as if Islam is worse. 593 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:06.279 Islam is just at a different point in its life cycle. 594 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:07.880 Than Christianity. That's all that is. 595 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:12.240 Yeah, but look at okay, look at Christianity. Christian even 596 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:13.799 if you look at data, they have some of the 597 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:16.440 best metrics when it comes to outcomes. They're not going 598 00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:19.640 around murdering and killing people in math like that. And 599 00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:23.480 and every Christian has its own different interpretation of what 600 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:23.759 they think. 601 00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:29.319 Hey, hey, hey, Andrew, Andrew what Andrew? What religion was? 602 00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:33.759 Timothy McVeigh I have no idea. Okay, yeah, sorry, I 603 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:34.920 forgot europe to. 604 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:39.440 No, he didn't. He didn't bomb because he was a Christian. 605 00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:40.640 They did. 606 00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:43.519 No, he did. He bombed because he thought the government 607 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:44.599 was scoring him over. 608 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:49.000 No, no, no, he he bought he he uh. He 609 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:54.599 did his bombing uh because of the UH the Waco incident, 610 00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:58.440 and he was retaliating against the government because of UH. 611 00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:02.720 He perceived the government to be directly responsible for attacking 612 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.599 a Christian sect, a Christian sect that, while he may 613 00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:09.240 not have been part of, he felt uh companionship with 614 00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:12.359 that sect because they were both Christian and so they 615 00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:15.880 he was. He attacked the US government building for that 616 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:20.079 particular reason. He was very Christian. And there's not only him, 617 00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:23.839 but there are plenty of other people in in the 618 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:27.079 his in the history of this nation that have been 619 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:34.799 Christian and have been on a violent, violent rampages. Right, 620 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:39.839 Dylan Rufe over there in South Carolina, Do you want 621 00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:43.920 me to pull up a list of Christian domestic terrorists 622 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:51.319 in America? Don't act like Christians aren't violent. They are violent, independent, independent, 623 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:55.200 fundamentalist Baptists are are violent in general. 624 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.400 I mean, is that the same kind of sign up 625 00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:00.759 for church? 626 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:04.559 Yes, he shut he shut up a black church because 627 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:05.799 he's a racist, piece of ship. 628 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.160 Yeah, it seemed like he did it because he was racist, 629 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.799 not because he was Like, did it because of Christianity? 630 00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:13.759 He was a Christian. 631 00:31:14.359 --> 00:31:16.039 Yeah, but I'm saying he didn't do it because he 632 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:17.559 was in the name of Christianity. 633 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:18.759 He did it because he was a race. 634 00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:20.920 He was racist because he wanted to sign up a 635 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:25.200 white church. Oh uh, somebody are you there? 636 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:28.200 Yeah? I think godless lost connection. 637 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.880 But but your your question was are Christians going around 638 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:36.680 killing people? And the answers, yes, and that's what he did. 639 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:39.960 He was a Christian. You adding you adding that he 640 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:41.359 was a racist doesn't change the fact that. 641 00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:41.960 He was a Christian. 642 00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.960 And if your God's spirit is on him, and your 643 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:47.319 God's spirit is giving him strength and moving him to 644 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.480 do that. That's something that your God gave him strength 645 00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:52.559 and moved him to do. And you said that, if 646 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:54.519 your God tells you to do that, that is good, 647 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:55.440 that is not evil. 648 00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:59.440 Yeah, but well, I don't know if God's spirit moved 649 00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:01.400 him to ghost shore up a black church. I think 650 00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:03.200 the only thing I moved them to grow shot up 651 00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:05.440 a black church was his hatred for black people. 652 00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.200 Like I don't think God again that that was my 653 00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:11.720 point in the beginning, just what you just said. I 654 00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:13.799 don't know if God's spirit told him to do that. 655 00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.519 Nobody has access to your mind. When you all say 656 00:32:17.599 --> 00:32:21.680 God said so. If you believe that your God's spirit. 657 00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.319 Is speaking to you and moving you to. 658 00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:27.119 Do something, and you say, well, God, evil is not 659 00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.920 obeying God or doing something against the purpose of God, 660 00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:33.759 then anything a person says and God. 661 00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:38.400 Told them to do is not evil. It's always good for. 662 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.359 Anybody that worships the old church, that worships God in 663 00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.640 the Bible would be evil by your by your standard, right. 664 00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:50.720 No, not necessarily, but it does he believe this. 665 00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:54.279 I can't hear him. 666 00:32:55.599 --> 00:33:01.039 Ugardless, Well I could, I can hear you, Andrew think 667 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:07.200 you can't hear me. I hear you, Yeah, he can, 668 00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:09.720 Andrew can hear both of us. But think you can't 669 00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:14.400 hear me. Uh, I'm showing. I'm showing levels coming in 670 00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:17.720 on my end. Okay, Uh, I guess I'm I'm gonna 671 00:33:17.759 --> 00:33:22.039 drop real quick. Uh, and uh I'm gonna rejoin you. 672 00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.160 Yes, I think they're having to fix God's mind. 673 00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:27.680 Does that make sense? 674 00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:28.440 Yes? 675 00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:30.880 Anyone who would worship that god. 676 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.640 And say that the things that that God commands are evil? 677 00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:33.960 Like? What? 678 00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.680 Let me ask you a question, Andrew? What reason? 679 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.599 All right? 680 00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:42.839 Can you hear me now? 681 00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:44.200 Yeah? 682 00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:46.599 Okay, all right, Andrew? 683 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.400 What reason would an all powerful god who you believe 684 00:33:50.480 --> 00:33:52.119 has the power to wake people up. 685 00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.519 In the morning? Correct? Your God waits people up? 686 00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:57.039 Huh? 687 00:33:57.920 --> 00:33:58.079 Yes? 688 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.559 What reason would that God need to employ human beings 689 00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:05.960 to kill the people that he wakes up every morning? 690 00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.800 Like they don't wake up unless your God wakes them up? 691 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:14.440 What reason would he need to then employ human beings 692 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.440 to go and murder humans whom your God woke up 693 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:18.239 that morning. 694 00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:23.760 For whatever reason? Against people who war against some. 695 00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.440 Against some who turn against him, or. 696 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:28.920 Or who were against his people. 697 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.360 But hold on, but if he wakes them up right, 698 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:36.159 they don't wake up unless he wakes. 699 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:36.679 Them up right. 700 00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:39.639 Yeah, I guess. 701 00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:44.079 So if he does not want people on the earth, 702 00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:48.239 he doesn't want them living because they don't worship him, 703 00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:51.880 why wake them up just so that he can command 704 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:53.039 humans to murder them? 705 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:55.800 Why not just not wake them up? 706 00:34:57.360 --> 00:34:58.679 I mean that's a good point. 707 00:34:59.599 --> 00:35:02.880 Yeah, because your God wants humans to do evil shit. 708 00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:07.119 Yeah, so then I mean if you if God wants 709 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:10.679 Persians to do evil things, and you believe that, because 710 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:12.760 when I talk to circularists, they say, oh, we don't 711 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:15.480 believe Christians are evil, but they do believe Christians are evil. 712 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:17.760 The Christians that do evil shit. 713 00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:20.400 Evil stuff. 714 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:21.440 Huh. 715 00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:23.840 The ones that don't do the ones that don't do 716 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.039 the stuff, they also follow the same God. So you 717 00:35:26.079 --> 00:35:26.639 will believe that. 718 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:30.079 But you're you're here justifying so that would make you evil, Andrew, 719 00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:33.400 You're here saying that. You literally asked me what would 720 00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:35.400 be wrong with just killing random people? 721 00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:36.280 Yeah? 722 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:37.639 Like that makes you evil. 723 00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:41.280 You know, there's a scripture, and Andrew, There's a scripture 724 00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.559 and the Bible that says God chooses the foolish things 725 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:47.880 to confound the wise, to confuse the Wise. 726 00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:50.280 Are you familiar with that scripture? Andrew? 727 00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:52.440 Yeah. 728 00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:58.719 And in Zachariah it talks about a foolish shepherd and 729 00:35:58.840 --> 00:36:06.119 Zachariah eleven and Hebrew that word is evailee, right, and 730 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:07.960 the transliteration of that. 731 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:10.280 Is spelled like evil. 732 00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:15.239 And I was reading that and I was like, God 733 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.800 chooses the evil things to confound, to confuse the wise. 734 00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:24.199 Your God does evil shit where your God can consider 735 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:28.199 us foolish. What your God considers foolish is what we 736 00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.599 would call evil. So your God wants humans to do 737 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:36.079 evil shit to confuse people, and so that you can 738 00:36:36.159 --> 00:36:39.079 call it good because you're you're beholding to this guy. 739 00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.039 You're you're you're afraid of this God, and so you 740 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:43.719 justify evil shit. 741 00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:49.039 If this guy was real, you wouldn't be afraid of it. 742 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:55.559 Now, if the God is real, it's real in your minds. 743 00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:01.599 Human beings do fuck shit because of this belief God 744 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:05.199 is real. That's why I don't like having conversations with 745 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:06.039 people about. 746 00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:06.760 Prove God ex this. 747 00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:10.719 Y'all are the gods like y'all carry the God around 748 00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.480 with you and your hearts and in your minds, and 749 00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:17.039 you are the God's arms, legs, feet, mouth. 750 00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:22.079 So why do circulars who don't believe in God and 751 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:22.440 why do. 752 00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:23.559 They still do evil stuff? 753 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.039 Because like humans do evil shit, but you are doing 754 00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:30.920 evil shit because that God told you to. And then 755 00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:32.960 you try to convince other people that they need to 756 00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:34.840 do evil shitfore God. 757 00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:39.480 Saying, so they shouldn't do it in the name of God. 758 00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.239 Right, they shouldn't do evil shit, period. It is harder to. 759 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.599 Get It's harder to get a human being not to 760 00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.239 do evil shit when you have a fear. 761 00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:49.480 Of a god. 762 00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:55.559 A secularist right that does something bad is does the 763 00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:57.920 bad because they wanted to do the bad, and they 764 00:37:57.920 --> 00:37:59.079 hold themselves accountable. 765 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:01.719 So it's easier to get a secularist. 766 00:38:01.280 --> 00:38:04.360 To change their behavior and to take accountability. Then it 767 00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.800 is with someone who subscribes to a god or a 768 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:10.119 devil or demons because you are not used to taking 769 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:14.480 accountability and you are afraid of You are afraid of 770 00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:15.039 a god. 771 00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.400 You are afraid of God might get you if you 772 00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:19.199 don't obey. 773 00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.400 You don't know what's real, you're afraid of losing community 774 00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.320 human beings. Just because someone is secularist doesn't mean they. 775 00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:29.440 Can't do any bad or do any wrong. 776 00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:32.719 But I think it is more likely that a person 777 00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.440 that believes that they are being guided by a god 778 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:39.480 will do evil if they believe that God. 779 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:41.639 Is telling them to, especially this one. 780 00:38:41.760 --> 00:38:44.480 But do you believe that the world will be a 781 00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.079 better place if everybody was asist there were no religious 782 00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:50.000 people on earth and everybody you believe if we get 783 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.119 rid of religion, the world will be a better place, right? 784 00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:52.960 I do? 785 00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:56.920 If we have more critical thinkers, yes, If we have 786 00:38:57.039 --> 00:38:58.920 more critical thinkers, yes, I do. 787 00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:03.840 Okay? In North Korea? Is that a better brains? 788 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:05.239 I never been to Nor Korea? 789 00:39:05.280 --> 00:39:07.800 Have you no talking about you? 790 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:09.519 Asking me about nor care? You want me to lie 791 00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.239 to you. I've not been to North Korea. I don't know. 792 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:18.480 I can. Lad, you're several secular countries that are not 793 00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:19.280 the best. 794 00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:20.800 How do you know. 795 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.559 Because they self their country is self? ID are secular? 796 00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.400 How do you know what the quality of life is there? 797 00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:30.079 Okay, let's say China mostly secular. 798 00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:35.239 You're like, have you been to China? So how do 799 00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.079 you know what the quality of life is there? 800 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:40.559 Are you gonna look up the loves of people? 801 00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:42.960 You can look up their happy the happiness and that's 802 00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:44.880 some those people. Why do Christmas support them. 803 00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.239 Have you looked up the happiness in the happiness? 804 00:39:48.360 --> 00:39:49.440 Yeah? 805 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:50.039 What is it? 806 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:52.599 I have to go back and look it up. 807 00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:56.760 You know, I halfway expected him to just throw out 808 00:39:56.760 --> 00:40:00.480 a random numbers. Goodness, happiness over there is twelve. 809 00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:06.360 But do you see how your love of your God 810 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.159 moves you to just say random shit like your love 811 00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.280 of your God moves you to even lie? 812 00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:18.000 And how come Christians aren't mass murdered people in large 813 00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:18.679 numbers today? 814 00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:22.719 They do you know that the majority? Do you know 815 00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:26.800 that the majority of people in jail are believers of 816 00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:29.639 a god? A high number of them in the US 817 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:33.599 are Christians? Yeah, but less than one percent of people 818 00:40:33.760 --> 00:40:35.679 in jail are atheists. 819 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:38.920 Well, how many of those people in jail convert to 820 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:40.599 Christianity or to Islam or whatever. 821 00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:41.559 Because a lot of people that go. 822 00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:48.599 To jail they convert, less than one percent are atheists. 823 00:40:47.480 --> 00:40:52.559 Even if the small number converted, Whether it's not big 824 00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:56.559 enough right to discount the fact that the majority of 825 00:40:56.639 --> 00:41:00.960 people in jail believe in a god overwhelmed believe in 826 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.079 the Abrahamic God. 827 00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.039 First of all, Well, most of the country isn't atheist. 828 00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:07.760 Most of the country is religious. 829 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:09.400 Most of the world is religious. 830 00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:12.159 Stop for a second. Stop for a second, think about it. 831 00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:15.239 Do you think the world is a is a peaceful 832 00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.159 place or do you think the world is filled with 833 00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:18.599 evil and wickedness. 834 00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:20.480 I think it's both both. 835 00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.840 It can't be it can't be both. Is it peaceful? 836 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:30.119 Is the world peaceful? Or is it filled with war? Famine? 837 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:36.840 Uh, genocide, uh, trafficking? Hu artist said femine like, is 838 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.920 the world filled with wickedness or is. 839 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:40.800 This a utopia? 840 00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:43.599 The world is filled with wickedness. 841 00:41:43.679 --> 00:41:44.199 That's true. 842 00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:45.039 Mm hm. 843 00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.159 And you just said that the majority of the world 844 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.000 believes in the Abrahamic God. 845 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:53.760 You know what I'm saying. They're not the Abrahamic God specifically, 846 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:56.159 but the majority of the world is religious. They have 847 00:41:56.480 --> 00:42:03.199 like God, they worst god necessarily Brahmic God for Hindu 848 00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:07.880 of witches or whatever, they worse the entities Nordics. They 849 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:09.519 worship the Nordic gods. 850 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:11.280 So it's just gods in general. 851 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:16.000 Overwhelmingly, the majority of the world believes in the Abrahamic God. 852 00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:21.400 That's a That's about one billion Persians that believe in Zorationism, 853 00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:24.360 about one billion Hindus. 854 00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:27.840 There's one point. 855 00:42:27.679 --> 00:42:34.039 Eight billion Catholics, two point four billion Christians and about 856 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:38.199 I don't know hundreds of millions of Muslims. I don't 857 00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.960 think there's billions. I don't think Muslims have hit billions yet. 858 00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.960 Have they I don't think so. They're closing in. 859 00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:45.599 Fact, yeah, they're closing in. 860 00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:51.559 But the majority believe in the Abrahamic God, overwhelmingly believe 861 00:42:51.639 --> 00:42:56.000 in Jesus. And the world is an evil place. And 862 00:42:56.039 --> 00:43:01.920 so if the influence of Jesus is a indication of 863 00:43:03.159 --> 00:43:06.639 what your heaven is going to be like, we would 864 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:09.079 have to turn and look at the Christians half for y'all, 865 00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:12.599 most of y'all are in jail. The jealous feel with Christians, 866 00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.400 the jealous feel with Christians the jail. The world is 867 00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:25.840 filled with war, femine uh uh, slavery, genocide, poverty, and 868 00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:32.559 it's overwhelmingly the Abrahamic God. The human beings are overwhelmingly 869 00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:34.119 carrying the Abrahamic God. 870 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.239 Yeah, that's true, but that's because the reason why most 871 00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.519 people are in secular is your seculars don't appeal to 872 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:43.679 nobody like sul Once your dog you're going to dirt, 873 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:45.239 everything goes dark. 874 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:46.639 That's it you see to exist. 875 00:43:47.159 --> 00:43:49.000 People don't like that. That's why most of the world 876 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:50.760 are seculars. 877 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:53.159 Right, Most of you are willing to sacrifice the well 878 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:57.679 being of other humans for your own, for yourself. It's 879 00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.000 a selfish religion. You you are willing to look the 880 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:05.239 other way. You are willing to exchange the famine, the war, 881 00:44:05.559 --> 00:44:10.320 the poverty so that you could go to heaven. You're 882 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:13.760 basically practicing human sacrifice every day. You accept it a 883 00:44:13.840 --> 00:44:18.639 human sacrifice. Hold on, look, you accept human sacrifice so 884 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.559 that you don't have to pay for your wrongdoings. And 885 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:27.760 then you continue to allow suffering or you know, justify 886 00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.880 suffering in the name of your God so that you 887 00:44:30.880 --> 00:44:33.400 could go to heaven. So you continue to sacrifice the 888 00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:36.880 well being of other humans. It's just a circle of 889 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:38.960 human sacrifice, over and over and over again. 890 00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:40.280 That's evil. 891 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.320 That's not true because most most of the people who 892 00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.119 do the most charities, who do the most giving, who 893 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:49.519 do the most donations, are overwhelmingly Christians. I've never seen 894 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:53.440 secular risks line up table, you've seen the home, I've 895 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:56.159 ever seen it, never seen it. The people who do 896 00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:58.320 that are the most all persons. 897 00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.519 You know why you don't know that because we're not 898 00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:03.719 too in our own horn out here. Try to get 899 00:45:03.719 --> 00:45:06.679 tax price for doing it, but we do, we do it. 900 00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:15.519 It's just oh, ladies, your churches are doing it. Go ahead, guns. 901 00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:19.039 Yeah. So so just to address this real quick, the 902 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:24.480 problem with your stat there, uh, Andrew, is the fact 903 00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:28.760 that typically atheists and secularists are going to be more 904 00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:33.800 leftist leaning, and left leaning individuals would prefer to see 905 00:45:33.800 --> 00:45:36.840 the government actually provide more safety nets and everything like 906 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.800 that so that the government can provide for people as 907 00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:43.840 opposed to requiring the bulk of the nation to do 908 00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.639 their charitable donations. And also a bulk of these charitable 909 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:50.519 donations are going to the church, and the churches they 910 00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.360 don't actually help people out. I don't know if you've 911 00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:56.719 seen that one girl over there on TikTok going around 912 00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:00.440 asking churches, hey, I've got a starving baby, you give 913 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:03.320 me formula, And all of the churches turned them away. 914 00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:07.280 But you know who told them, told this girl, uh 915 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.679 with without any kind of hesitation, to come down and 916 00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:14.599 we will get you some some formula. Mosques. Mosques are 917 00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:18.440 the ones that accepted her and was like, hey, we'll 918 00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:21.199 we'll we'll give you some maybe formula. All of the 919 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:24.039 churches they were like, no, we don't do that. Maybe 920 00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.079 you should go to like a food pantry or something 921 00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:29.199 like that. So, no, these churches don't help people. The 922 00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:32.400 charitable giving that you're reporting right here do not go 923 00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:36.920 to helping people. There are Christian charitable organizations out there, 924 00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.760 and that's perfectly fine. But to misrepresent the charitable givings 925 00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:44.440 of Christians as all being to these charitable organizations that 926 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:48.960 actually do do good is a total misrepresentation of the 927 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:49.920 donations there. 928 00:46:51.039 --> 00:46:54.960 Oh no, all, I don't say all I said, and 929 00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:58.480 you're with you, broungo you said that. Oh the girl 930 00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:02.400 as a farmer from from from Muslims, which is still religious. 931 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:04.480 It was a secularist that gave her the formula. There 932 00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:07.800 were Muslims so so secular. 933 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:12.079 Because she was calling religious institutions Andrew, what the fuck 934 00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:15.599 is your problem? Like, are you seriously this dnse? Are 935 00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:17.239 you purposely being this dense? 936 00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:18.239 Nope? 937 00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:20.840 The secularists know about that. She was doing this right, 938 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:21.800 You know about. 939 00:47:21.519 --> 00:47:25.280 It because she was recording them and putting them on 940 00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:29.039 TikTok as a test of religious institutions. 941 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:33.119 And she got help from a religious institution, a. 942 00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:35.320 Muslim one that you threw under a bus earlier. 943 00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:38.199 I didn't throw no muslim moss under the bush. 944 00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.920 Yeah you did. You threw you threw them under the bus. 945 00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:42.400 I didn't think, Yeah you did. 946 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.199 You could ease. Everybody could go back and re listen 947 00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:50.000 to the past fifty minutes and you'll hear Andrew throwing 948 00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:54.320 the Muslims under the bus. Right, you did that. But 949 00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.639 I know, specifically because I brought it up, that Islam 950 00:47:57.760 --> 00:47:59.880 is at a different point in its life cycle than 951 00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:03.519 Christianity is. That's the only difference between the two. Otherwise, 952 00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:07.480 they're the same Abrahamic religion. They're the same shitty basis 953 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:11.639 for the religion. Right, they both have fundamental and fundamentalist 954 00:48:11.760 --> 00:48:14.719 aspects to them that make them shitty. They're both the same. 955 00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.679 I remember making that several several minutes ago. 956 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:20.679 I get what you're saying, But you're saying I threw 957 00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:22.480 a mosque. I didn't throw the mosque. 958 00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:24.280 I just said no. 959 00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:27.280 No, I said Muslims. You threw Muslims under the bus. 960 00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.000 Yeah, I didn't say Musclims. I'm not talking about individual Musclis. 961 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:31.039 I'm talking about Islam. 962 00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:34.119 Oh my god, you're being so fucking up to I 963 00:48:34.159 --> 00:48:36.519 don't know, I'm I'm I'm done. I don't know if 964 00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:39.079 Thinker still wants to argue with you, but I'm fucking 965 00:48:39.159 --> 00:48:42.320 done with you, you know, honestly, Andrew, after you admitted 966 00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:46.440 that that P three deos are perfectly fine in your worldview, 967 00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:48.519 I'm just I'm just I've been done with you. 968 00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:50.079 For a while. Where was I when he said that. 969 00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:52.519 It was a while ago. 970 00:48:52.559 --> 00:48:54.960 I said that, that's that's straight On taps, he talked 971 00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:59.039 about the debate that I had with Bible God. 972 00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:02.039 I was on the show with Bible Guy. It was 973 00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:05.360 my show with the with Dalton the Bible Guy, and 974 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:09.280 you admitted that it was perfectly fine to to grape 975 00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:13.480 a teenage child. So I'm I've just been done with 976 00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:14.840 you for a while now. 977 00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:18.719 Oh, Bible Guys. No, I did not I admant that 978 00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:19.239 that's a lie. 979 00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:20.400 I did not admit that. 980 00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:23.360 No. I mean that's the reason why you were initially 981 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.920 banned from the line. So no, I mean, that's that's it. Also, 982 00:49:27.519 --> 00:49:30.519 another another uh person, another guest that I brought on 983 00:49:30.599 --> 00:49:34.480 there clocked you for that months before then. So no, Andrew, 984 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:36.320 You're you're totally that kind of ship bag. 985 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.440 No, he just he only said that because he got 986 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:41.440 offended when I told him to prove that God raped 987 00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:44.199 Mary and the Bible where said that he couldn't prove it, 988 00:49:44.360 --> 00:49:48.800 and then he thought I was justifying freaking race the 989 00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:51.079 rate you were of young girls, and that wasn't. 990 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:51.679 No, I wasn't. 991 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:52.840 Yay, you were. 992 00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:57.280 I've got it on my channel. It's everywhere, Andrew, everybody 993 00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.599 can see that. That's what she did to save them. 994 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:02.119 That's not what I did. 995 00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:04.679 That's just straight up chat all. 996 00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.400 Right, here you go, Andrew? Was it wrong for God 997 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:10.840 to force fully impregnate Mary when she was fourteen years old? 998 00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:12.840 Are you asking me a question? Now? Are you're playing 999 00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:13.239 a video? 1000 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:16.320 No? No, no, I'm not playing a video. I'm asking 1001 00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:18.800 you a question, Andrew. Was it wrong of God to 1002 00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:20.800 forcefully impregnate a fourteen year old child? 1003 00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:24.480 If he did it by force? Yeah, that would be wrong. 1004 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.559 Yeah. 1005 00:50:28.280 --> 00:50:32.960 Yeah. So this, this contradicts what you said earlier that 1006 00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:36.880 if it's part of God's purpose, then it's good. That's 1007 00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:39.480 what you said, It was part of God's purpose to 1008 00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:41.400 impregnate a fourteen year old child. 1009 00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:45.360 Well she wasn't. Again, we haven't established us she was fourteen? 1010 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:47.320 Oh my God? 1011 00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:51.320 Like, why do y'all like not read this story in 1012 00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:53.760 his cultural context at that time. 1013 00:50:54.079 --> 00:50:56.840 Look, the marriage age of a young girl. 1014 00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:58.599 In first century wrong would have been between the ages 1015 00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:03.840 of twelve and fourteen. She was betrothed Mary herself, she 1016 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.159 was betrothed. 1017 00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:08.800 That's fine, but it doesn't mean as she was pregnant at. 1018 00:51:08.639 --> 00:51:14.440 Fourteen, she was betrothed. And the marriage age. 1019 00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:17.360 At that time, during that time in history was between 1020 00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:22.400 the ages of twelve and fourteen. She was already betrothed 1021 00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:23.199 to Joseph. 1022 00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:28.360 Can you show me any evidence in the Bible or 1023 00:51:28.360 --> 00:51:31.480 any rabbis I said Mary was fourteen, not what she 1024 00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:34.119 might most see. 1025 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:36.960 It's this kind of ultra specific nonsense that you need 1026 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.400 in order to accept the cultural context here. Because I 1027 00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:45.960 could bring up Victor P. Hamilton his work where he 1028 00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:51.840 establishes the current or not current, but at that particular time, 1029 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:57.360 the contemporary practices of fathers and marriage and everything like that. 1030 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:01.400 Like you, father could sell his daughter before she before 1031 00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:03.679 she was even eight years old, and there was no 1032 00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:06.159 way for her to refuse that. It was also the 1033 00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:10.280 fact that he establishes that in the Jewish culture at 1034 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:13.519 that time, girls were married off at fourteen as soon 1035 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.519 as they as soon as they went through puberty. These 1036 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:20.559 are all things that are culturally established and established, like 1037 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:22.880 in the Talmud and all this other stuff. So you 1038 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:25.440 can't sit because that's where that's where Victor P. Hamilton 1039 00:52:25.480 --> 00:52:28.000 pulls his information from. But you don't want to admit 1040 00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:30.400 that because you have to make some kind of pedantic 1041 00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:34.840 argument making marry any any other age other than a child. 1042 00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.039 But in your worldview, the purpose of God was to 1043 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.639 impregnate a fourteen year old child, and you have to 1044 00:52:40.679 --> 00:52:44.760 say that's good. Is it good to impregnate for God 1045 00:52:44.840 --> 00:52:50.960 to impregnate a fourteen year old child? No, No, it's 1046 00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:54.719 not so. Now you're being a hypocrite. No I'm not, 1047 00:52:55.639 --> 00:52:58.920 Yes you are. It was God's purpose to impregnate a 1048 00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:01.679 fourteen year old child, as you established at the beginning 1049 00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:05.760 of this call. Anything that's outside of God's purpose is evil. 1050 00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:09.199 So it would be evil for God not to rape 1051 00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:10.559 that fourteen year old child. 1052 00:53:11.599 --> 00:53:14.360 No, no, anything that sounds out of God's purpose would 1053 00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:17.480 be evil. It's not a great purpose to impregnate a 1054 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:18.280 fourteen year old. 1055 00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:19.679 Then why did he do it? 1056 00:53:20.519 --> 00:53:24.760 Like take away the age? Take away the age, just 1057 00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:25.599 her period? 1058 00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:26.840 Is it? 1059 00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:28.760 Was it evil for your God to just rape her 1060 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.719 period and put his seat in her without her permission 1061 00:53:31.719 --> 00:53:35.119 period and then tell her after the fact. 1062 00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.079 God, God didn't rape Mary, Like, I don't know why 1063 00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:38.079 y'all keep saying that. 1064 00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.000 Did he not send an aim it to her and say, hey, yo, 1065 00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:43.079 you bring me with God's child? 1066 00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.039 No he didn't say hey yo. No he didn't say that. 1067 00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:48.239 See. 1068 00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:52.480 See this is the pedanic shit I'm talking about with Andrew. 1069 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:55.199 Yeah, I'm done trying. 1070 00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:58.880 To No, sorry, sorry I dropped him. Look, I'm done 1071 00:53:58.880 --> 00:54:02.400 with the pedantic shiit of like, no, he didn't say ayo, 1072 00:54:03.079 --> 00:54:06.199 Like are you serious? Like that's the thing you object 1073 00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:08.639 to in that? Like that's just fucking dumb. 1074 00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:11.519 Okay. 1075 00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:14.119 We got more calls about God not evil, and then 1076 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:15.440 we have some science calls. 1077 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:16.000 What do you want? 1078 00:54:17.400 --> 00:54:19.239 I'm good either way. I'm here for it. 1079 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:23.960 All right, let's see this person has been waiting a while, 1080 00:54:23.960 --> 00:54:25.039 so we're gonna read to bring them on. 1081 00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:30.400 I think this is your wheelhouse. I deny, yep. 1082 00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:33.320 We got James up here. Hey there, James, can you 1083 00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:33.639 hear us? 1084 00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:35.000 James from Oklahoma? 1085 00:54:35.320 --> 00:54:38.360 And you know herew was kind of all. 1086 00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:42.000 Over the place. My mom had a debate book back 1087 00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:43.880 in the nineteen fifties. 1088 00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.280 And back then there were still a lot of stuff. 1089 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:49.480 Going on with the racial fas. And one of the 1090 00:54:49.519 --> 00:54:52.800 statements in there, about fifty pages in it, says, if 1091 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:56.480 a whole group of men get together and they decide 1092 00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:58.559 they want to go out and hang a man or 1093 00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:02.000 lynch a man, he says, what you have is a consensus. 1094 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:04.920 But a consensus bears neither merit nor morality. It is 1095 00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:09.519 simply a consensus. You brought up several things about laws 1096 00:55:09.559 --> 00:55:13.159 and morals. Don't we have laws that prevent murder? Don't 1097 00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.480 we have laws that do this? Well, if you think 1098 00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:22.199 about every single person coming together, that they have representatives 1099 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:24.960 that go up and the representatives pass laws, they say, hey, 1100 00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:28.639 it's not good if people kill each other off. Well, 1101 00:55:29.159 --> 00:55:33.360 you have a consensus, but what you have is not moral. 1102 00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:36.119 In order to have a moral you have to have 1103 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:43.440 something outside of a human consensus that establishes that moral boundary. 1104 00:55:44.480 --> 00:55:49.400 And in the Bible, I see that God has established 1105 00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:52.000 a morality, and he said this is what. 1106 00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:55.800 Passed to a line up number one. 1107 00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:57.880 If you look at the first four things in the 1108 00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:02.960 Ten Commandments, it first establishes a moral alignment with God 1109 00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.719 that we have to give him God, God have to 1110 00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:09.440 serve him, and him only shall we serve. 1111 00:56:10.280 --> 00:56:11.440 And then it has. 1112 00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:13.960 Our alignment between man and man, first man and. 1113 00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:16.239 God, and then man and man. 1114 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:20.639 And the loss heirs, to show that we are incapable 1115 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:22.440 of kind of aligning. 1116 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:26.639 James, James, I want to I want to test you 1117 00:56:26.679 --> 00:56:32.079 on this real quick. So Deuteronomy no, sorry, Exodus twenty 1118 00:56:32.119 --> 00:56:35.719 one to seven says that a father may sell his 1119 00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.880 daughter as a slave to a man for a sexual pleasure. 1120 00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:41.559 Is that good or bad? 1121 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:42.199 Okay? 1122 00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:44.000 Can you read that actual verse to me? 1123 00:56:46.440 --> 00:56:49.760 Yes? I can. Well, let me look it up real quick. 1124 00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:55.119 Well, before we get to that, I just want to add, 1125 00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:59.519 like your God was okay with people being hung like 1126 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:03.320 David hand it over seven of sal sons. Hold on, 1127 00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:06.199 David handed over seven of salt sons to be hung 1128 00:57:06.280 --> 00:57:10.679 to end of family, right, Like we did not get 1129 00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:14.480 our morals to not hang humans from your God. If anything, 1130 00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:17.719 they believe that they could hang humans because your God 1131 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:22.400 allowed it. I just want to add that, Wow, godless finds. 1132 00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.760 That scripture for you because that wow. 1133 00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:29.559 Yeah. So this is Exodus, James, hold on, this is 1134 00:57:29.599 --> 00:57:32.920 Exodus twenty one. I'm starting in twenty one seven. If 1135 00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:35.880 a man sells his daughter as a slave, she is 1136 00:57:35.960 --> 00:57:38.320 not to be freed in the same way as male 1137 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.559 slaves are. So this is like the male slaves, meaning 1138 00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:47.239 the indentured servants that Hebrew Israelite slaves. They are freed 1139 00:57:48.199 --> 00:57:50.559 every six years, I believe it is, and then in 1140 00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.840 the jubilee year. Yeah, well they serve six years and 1141 00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:57.000 then they're free in the seventh year. But if a 1142 00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:59.360 man sells his daughter as a slave, she is a 1143 00:57:59.400 --> 00:58:03.360 slave for a life until the man, you know, dismisses 1144 00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:05.480 her and everything like that, after he's used her up 1145 00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:08.239 and everything. So now is that is that good or 1146 00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:08.920 is that bad? 1147 00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:12.400 Well, let's let's look at some of the contexts or 1148 00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:15.000 some of the things that you had before already, and 1149 00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:18.960 one is that one is that uh uh as far 1150 00:58:19.000 --> 00:58:23.760 as the battles with the Amalekites and the hamstring, the 1151 00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:26.599 horses that you mentioned, and some of the buds sacrifices, 1152 00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:31.079 if we go back and look at the context of 1153 00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:32.679 a lot of those things, uh. 1154 00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:35.760 Can you godless question because we don't want to talk 1155 00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:37.599 to you about a conversation we had with Andrew. 1156 00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:39.760 Well, let me let me, let me tell you a 1157 00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:41.760 little bit with it, because no. 1158 00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:44.079 No, no, can you answer godless quick like? We want 1159 00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:45.880 to have our own conversation with you. We don't want 1160 00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:48.920 to carry over a Andrew. Can you answer godless question? 1161 00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:49.280 Please? 1162 00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:55.480 In the context twitter, a man uh sells the daughter 1163 00:58:56.039 --> 00:59:00.000 if if it says as a slave or as a bride, 1164 00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:01.960 is it as a brighter or is it as a slave? 1165 00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:05.639 What would the original Hebrew context be? Because if he 1166 00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:11.000 sells her is ride then is bound by the marriage, 1167 00:59:11.039 --> 00:59:14.519 and the marriage doesn't release unless the man dies. 1168 00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:19.159 So, James, I think that the problem. So there's two 1169 00:59:19.199 --> 00:59:22.239 different problems here. First of all, the Hebrew does say slave. 1170 00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.599 It indicates slave. It uses the word for slave, which 1171 00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:29.159 is a bed uh. That's number one. But also you 1172 00:59:29.199 --> 00:59:33.400 seem to be rationalizing selling women. Why do you want 1173 00:59:33.400 --> 00:59:35.400 to be on the internet I'm rationalizing. 1174 00:59:35.519 --> 00:59:35.760 I'm not. 1175 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.679 I'm not rationalizing the selling of women. But I know 1176 00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:41.559 that a lot of the top times, whenever the context 1177 00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:48.039 of slavery was mentioned, that the slavery was as a 1178 00:59:48.280 --> 00:59:53.199 way of relief for people that were like the indentured servitude. 1179 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:56.199 Somewhere slavery mentioned. 1180 00:59:56.800 --> 01:00:01.159 Sure, somewhere, So that's right. Some were indentured, indentured servants, 1181 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:03.960 or debt slavery was a thing at the time. This 1182 01:00:04.039 --> 01:00:06.639 is not that this is a man selling his daughter 1183 01:00:06.760 --> 01:00:08.440 as a slave to another man. 1184 01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:13.760 Right if they're sold into it as a slave, as 1185 01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:17.519 an indentured kind of thing, or as an indebtedness, if 1186 01:00:17.559 --> 01:00:18.599 she is sold. 1187 01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:23.119 To resolve a debt. You know, like back then, whenever. 1188 01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.320 A woman was married, she had to have a dowry 1189 01:00:25.360 --> 01:00:29.800 that was given with her. The family had to pay 1190 01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.360 for the woman to be married, and that dowry that. 1191 01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:35.960 Was seeing her again. The problem here, James, is that 1192 01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:41.360 you're rationalizing selling women. Why are you rationalizing sex. 1193 01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:44.519 Trafficking, rationalizing the selling of women. I'm saying that a 1194 01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:47.840 lot of times back then the cultural norm was that 1195 01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:50.840 if they were indebted, that they would sell one of 1196 01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:52.880 the women as a bride. 1197 01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:54.920 And that that's. 1198 01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:58.639 Not happening here though, and Exodus twenty one, that's not 1199 01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:02.760 what's happening here. The women are AMA's right, they are 1200 01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:09.599 actual slaves. It says the ki Yim chord is at 1201 01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:19.000 batold Ama te uh a ki zat avan. She was 1202 01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:24.800 a slave, okay, and then when if her master paired 1203 01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:30.400 her with a male slave and they had children. The man, 1204 01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:32.960 if he wanted to stay with his wife and children, 1205 01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:36.280 he had to become a lifetime slave because the woman 1206 01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:38.000 and the children belonged to the master. 1207 01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:39.519 This was breeding. 1208 01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:43.840 The women and the children were lifetime chattel slaves. Only 1209 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.800 the men here were released doing jubilee. 1210 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:51.119 Well, the man, if he wanted to stay with the wife. 1211 01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:54.119 Then he would be it will become a lifetime slave 1212 01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:56.000 because the wife was a lifetime slave. 1213 01:01:56.639 --> 01:02:01.880 But looking in the context to the hebrew slavery, they 1214 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:07.000 were required to provide for the servants. They were required 1215 01:02:07.079 --> 01:02:09.840 to provide for the slaves as they would for one 1216 01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:10.719 in their own household. 1217 01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:12.400 So did they in America. 1218 01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.079 Like, no one's going to pay a thousand dollars for 1219 01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:19.000 a slave and let them die, right right, So you're 1220 01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:23.239 taking care of your investment. They took care of their investment. 1221 01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:28.960 They didn't do it because they loved them. Slaves were assets. 1222 01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:31.840 They were required not to beat them. They were required, I. 1223 01:02:31.880 --> 01:02:35.679 Mean they wouldn't beat them because again it's their labor. 1224 01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:39.239 Like think about why the Boushewisi didn't want their slaves 1225 01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:43.239 fighting in the Civil War. Well, think about ask yourself 1226 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:47.320 why the bousheoisie did not want their slaves fighting in 1227 01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:52.000 the Civil War. They paid one thousand dollars per slave. 1228 01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:53.840 You thought that they were going to let them go 1229 01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:58.639 and fight a war. They used the low income, illiterate, 1230 01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:00.760 poor people to. 1231 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:01.440 Fight for them. 1232 01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:05.119 They did not want to lose their their investments, They 1233 01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:06.800 did not want to lose their assets. 1234 01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:14.079 They also well, well, James, also, uh, there needs to 1235 01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:16.960 be a caveat with that, don't beat your slaves. It's 1236 01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:20.440 you can't beat your slaves till death. If you beat 1237 01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:24.079 your slave, you and they get up, what is it 1238 01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:26.840 after like three days or something like that. As long 1239 01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:29.440 as they live, you can beat them as much as 1240 01:03:29.480 --> 01:03:32.280 you want to. So that's just not even true, James. 1241 01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:35.280 But all this, all this was initially to point out 1242 01:03:35.639 --> 01:03:39.400 this this so called moral system that's outside of human 1243 01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:42.639 influence or something like that. The thing that I have 1244 01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:45.239 a problem with in Christianity is that when you take 1245 01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:49.159 the moral system and you remove the human aspect to 1246 01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:52.000 to the human consideration, and you put it in the 1247 01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.039 hands of some deity out there, then you're not doing 1248 01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:57.679 things that are good for human beings. You're doing things 1249 01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:00.360 that are good for the deity. And what's good for 1250 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.920 the deity is definitely not anything concerned with the well 1251 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:07.440 being of human beings. That's the point that I'm making here. 1252 01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:10.639 If you're going to base your moral system on something 1253 01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:14.440 that's outside of the human experience, then you run the 1254 01:04:14.599 --> 01:04:17.960 risk of doing things that are detrimental to the human experience. 1255 01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:22.440 Tell me, Exodus twenty one seven, what is the benefit 1256 01:04:22.559 --> 01:04:28.880 to the human experience that an omniscient god, supposedly eternal, omniscient, omnipotent, 1257 01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:33.440 omni benevolent God dictated to the fathers of Israel that 1258 01:04:33.559 --> 01:04:37.440 they can sell their daughters as slaves, specifically sexual slaves. 1259 01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:39.480 Let's go to this. 1260 01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:46.480 Verse for that, and that is that whenever Jesus was 1261 01:04:46.559 --> 01:04:48.519 in the temple, he. 1262 01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:53.360 Had some of the people that came up to him 1263 01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:54.039 and said. 1264 01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:57.800 Hey, you know, if he said, you know, if a 1265 01:04:57.880 --> 01:05:00.199 woman was married, then she. 1266 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:00.960 Ended up married. 1267 01:05:00.960 --> 01:05:03.360 And you know, he died, and the next brother came in, 1268 01:05:03.480 --> 01:05:05.199 and he died, and the next brother came in the 1269 01:05:05.280 --> 01:05:07.440 next and he's like, you know, why is why is this? 1270 01:05:08.039 --> 01:05:08.599 You know, how is this? 1271 01:05:08.800 --> 01:05:09.559 How's this going to be? 1272 01:05:10.079 --> 01:05:12.000 And he said, well, you know that the marriage in 1273 01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:15.039 the beginning was one man, one woman, one lifetime, and 1274 01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:18.320 then they said, well, if that's true, no, why did 1275 01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:18.880 God get No? 1276 01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:21.599 No, No, that's just not true. That is not true. 1277 01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:24.719 It's not it's not been one man, one woman. It's 1278 01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:29.239 it's one woman compared to a man. But the man 1279 01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:32.119 can have multiple wives and concubines. 1280 01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:35.320 But he said, what, how was it in the beginning? 1281 01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:38.920 And he said it was that God brought the woman 1282 01:05:39.079 --> 01:05:41.280 to the man and they were married and he's And 1283 01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:44.599 they said, well, why is it then that the Abraham 1284 01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:48.559 gave us the ruling for divorce? And he said, because 1285 01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:49.559 your hearts are hard? 1286 01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:50.840 Yeah. 1287 01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:55.360 Wait, do you mean Moses in the inherent sinful Yeah, 1288 01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:59.519 Moses in the inherent sinfulness of man. You know, when 1289 01:05:59.599 --> 01:06:02.960 we were in the garden, God basically gave us work 1290 01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:04.719 to do. He said, dress it and keep it. And 1291 01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:08.480 he said eat whatever you want except for this one fruit, 1292 01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:09.960 the knowledge of the tree of good. 1293 01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:13.440 James, James, I'm sorry, We're we're going all over the 1294 01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:17.840 place here. This is really not this is not having 1295 01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:21.719 a giant effect on me right now, primarily because God 1296 01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:26.199 at one time aduke into fireball up two priests asses 1297 01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:31.840 and cause them to spontaneously combust when uh, when they 1298 01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:35.199 used the wrong fire to light his fucking incense, and 1299 01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:38.719 you're sitting here telling me, well, God's God's heart was 1300 01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:41.480 I mean, he said that the human's hearts were just 1301 01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:44.679 too hard for divorce and all this other shit, and 1302 01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:46.840 they were just too hard for him to say, don't 1303 01:06:46.920 --> 01:06:50.960 sell your daughters as sexual slaves. Like, are you He 1304 01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:54.519 killed two people for using the wrong kind of fire 1305 01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:57.119 to do it, and you're telling me that it was 1306 01:06:57.239 --> 01:07:00.480 too much for God to say, Hey, don't sell children 1307 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:03.800 as sexual slaves. Get the fuck out of here, James. 1308 01:07:04.239 --> 01:07:06.679 The spirit of the spirit of the two guys that 1309 01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.360 burned the wrong incense, he told them what kind of 1310 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:11.800 chance to burn, and that burned it for the wrong reasons. 1311 01:07:13.639 --> 01:07:17.639 Just right over your head, James, do you understand the 1312 01:07:17.719 --> 01:07:20.039 problem that can you? Can you maybe steal man the 1313 01:07:20.079 --> 01:07:20.840 problem that I have. 1314 01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:24.760 I can see what's your what you're going to that 1315 01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:28.920 the context of selling the girl with the for the 1316 01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:32.039 as a full time as a long term slave. 1317 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:35.719 Yeah, no, no, I had I have a problem with 1318 01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:40.119 the hypocrisy of the whole idea that humans hearts were 1319 01:07:40.199 --> 01:07:43.239 so hard that God had to allow divorce and other 1320 01:07:43.360 --> 01:07:46.280 bad things, but at the same time he requires a 1321 01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:49.559 specific kind of fire in order to light his incense 1322 01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:53.559 with and he kills two priests because of it. But 1323 01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:57.119 apparently it's just way too much for God to be, like, Hey, 1324 01:07:57.320 --> 01:08:00.800 don't sell your daughters as slaves. Also, women are human 1325 01:08:00.880 --> 01:08:03.960 beings too, don't treat them like their property. But you 1326 01:08:04.039 --> 01:08:07.000 know what, God still at Exodus twenty seventeen says women 1327 01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:10.400 are property just like your chattel. Slaves are your property too, 1328 01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:13.000 So like you, don't sit there and tell me that 1329 01:08:13.159 --> 01:08:17.119 human's hearts were too hard. When God requires specific fire 1330 01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:20.840 and kills people when they use the wrong kind of fire. 1331 01:08:21.119 --> 01:08:25.680 God also killed a bunch of israel Elites because they 1332 01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:28.800 were a bit too lippy. Well with him complaining about 1333 01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:32.720 shit in the desert, God caused an entire generation of 1334 01:08:32.880 --> 01:08:38.039 Israelites to die wandering in the desert because Moses fucking 1335 01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:41.119 smacked a rock instead of yelling at it. Don't sit 1336 01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:43.800 there and tell me that humans hearts were too hard 1337 01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:47.079 to tell them to stop selling women as slaves. 1338 01:08:47.680 --> 01:08:50.720 Well, I'm telling you this, and that is that if 1339 01:08:50.760 --> 01:08:53.439 you want to talk about morals, morals can't come from 1340 01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:56.039 a human consensus, esh, my. 1341 01:08:56.239 --> 01:09:00.640 Fucking Christ, and it can't come from your fucking God, James, 1342 01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:02.680 That's what I've been trying to tell you. 1343 01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:07.399 But morals do come from human consensus, like humanity. Humanity 1344 01:09:07.680 --> 01:09:13.279 did not come to the decision to abolish slavery because 1345 01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:14.479 your God commanded it. 1346 01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:17.159 There's absolutely nothing in this book. 1347 01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:20.039 Where your God says, I changed my mind, I was 1348 01:09:20.159 --> 01:09:22.359 wrong to regulate slavery. 1349 01:09:22.840 --> 01:09:25.720 Don't do it anymore like humanity. 1350 01:09:26.199 --> 01:09:32.560 Christians had to reinterpret text in order to convince Christians, 1351 01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:36.800 Southern Christians that your Jesus was against slavery, because there 1352 01:09:36.960 --> 01:09:42.079 is no outright condemnation of the practice. In fact, the 1353 01:09:42.239 --> 01:09:47.039 last he leaves it off with instructing Paul to instruct 1354 01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:52.359 Christians who are enslaved to obey their earthly masters, including 1355 01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:55.479 their harsh ones, and to do it with a little 1356 01:09:55.520 --> 01:09:56.520 bit back into it. 1357 01:09:57.239 --> 01:10:01.479 He says, don't do it for humans, do it because 1358 01:10:01.520 --> 01:10:02.520 it is the will of God. 1359 01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:06.239 Like there's nothing in this book where your God commands 1360 01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:10.239 for people to stop on the slaves. Humans humans came 1361 01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:14.479 to that moral standard together. And now you want to 1362 01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:17.920 revise history and say your God has always been against lavery, 1363 01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:19.039 when that is not the case. 1364 01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:23.359 I say God has a better plan for us than 1365 01:10:23.439 --> 01:10:27.000 what you try to stick him out to be And 1366 01:10:27.119 --> 01:10:30.159 I say, the context says everything. If you look at 1367 01:10:30.159 --> 01:10:32.079 a lot of the places where he sent them in 1368 01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:34.800 to go after the Amorites. 1369 01:10:35.560 --> 01:10:36.199 He told. 1370 01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:40.760 Israel, he says, your, your generations are going to suffer under. 1371 01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:43.239 Fateroh for four hundred years, and I'm going to bring 1372 01:10:43.359 --> 01:10:45.920 him out with a mighty hand. But he says that 1373 01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:49.600 the sin of the Amorits is not yet full. He 1374 01:10:49.680 --> 01:10:53.000 gave him six hundred years and they were sacrificing their 1375 01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:58.399 children to amelek into molac and burners and killing them all. 1376 01:10:58.560 --> 01:11:02.279 I'm sorry, I'm sorry there, James. Did you know that 1377 01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:07.479 the Israelites originally had mandates to sacrifice their firstborn children. 1378 01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:10.600 Well, I know that Abraham whenever he took his son 1379 01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:13.880 up there to be the sacrifice, that God held his 1380 01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:14.800 hand and stopped him. 1381 01:11:16.640 --> 01:11:16.680 No. 1382 01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:22.920 So so originally, Yahweh required you to redeem the firstborn. 1383 01:11:23.079 --> 01:11:25.079 And the way that you redeemed the firstborn was you 1384 01:11:25.159 --> 01:11:27.960 either sacrifice the lamb, kind of like what you know 1385 01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:32.960 Abraham did, or if you couldn't sacrifice, if you didn't 1386 01:11:33.119 --> 01:11:38.520 redeem the firstborn, either human or animal, you ended up 1387 01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:42.239 having to break its neck right and so the example 1388 01:11:42.399 --> 01:11:46.920 was given the donkey, but very obviously that it's xtaposed 1389 01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:51.720 like the human sacrifice. There is just suppose against the 1390 01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:54.920 donkey's neck being broken as a way of saying, oh, 1391 01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:58.399 but we don't we need to redeem, we don't need 1392 01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:02.880 to not redeem the firstborn of every child. You've got 1393 01:12:03.399 --> 01:12:06.600 in what was at Exodus thirteen thirteen, that's where it 1394 01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:09.600 specifically lays it out, and then you've got Ezekiel twenty 1395 01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:12.720 twenty nine. I believe it is where God admits to 1396 01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:17.039 requiring the Israelites to do detestable things like sacrificing their 1397 01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:21.000 firstborn children. So it is there. Now. It is true 1398 01:12:21.119 --> 01:12:26.600 that later priestly sources came in and re contextualize all 1399 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:29.520 of that to be like a dedication to priestly service, 1400 01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:33.319 but that comes much later in the Israelites history. Originally 1401 01:12:34.119 --> 01:12:36.680 it was actually sacrificing the firstborn children. 1402 01:12:37.680 --> 01:12:39.760 I've never seen anything where they said they had to 1403 01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:44.079 sacrifice the firstborn children. Now, the redemption through the animals, 1404 01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:50.039 the sacrificial system. If you're looking Isaiah chapter forty six, 1405 01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:52.680 verse sen, and he says, propriaming the end from the beginning, 1406 01:12:53.359 --> 01:12:55.479 and from ancient times, those things which are not yet 1407 01:12:55.520 --> 01:12:58.439 as though they already were. My words will be established 1408 01:12:58.439 --> 01:13:01.399 and I'll do as I please. God came in and said, 1409 01:13:01.680 --> 01:13:03.439 I'm going to show you how I'm going to do it. 1410 01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:04.720 I'm going to tell you how I'm going to do it, 1411 01:13:04.760 --> 01:13:05.399 and then show. 1412 01:13:05.239 --> 01:13:07.439 You and do it, and that way you know it's me. 1413 01:13:08.159 --> 01:13:09.840 And the one thing differing. 1414 01:13:09.640 --> 01:13:12.800 About the Christian religion than from any other religious book 1415 01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:13.880 is the prophecy. 1416 01:13:15.439 --> 01:13:18.600 No wait, before you move on to prophecies, like you 1417 01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:22.720 brought up the fact that your God sent his chosen 1418 01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:26.720 into Egypt to be enslaved for four hundred years while 1419 01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:32.239 he sat back and watched the Canaanites supposedly do all 1420 01:13:32.319 --> 01:13:36.000 of this evil. And he waited until they got so 1421 01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:41.640 evil before he released his Israelites from slavery, where he 1422 01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:45.039 allowed them to go through suffering so that they could 1423 01:13:45.079 --> 01:13:49.199 go into Canaan and kill these evil Canaanites. You're all 1424 01:13:49.359 --> 01:13:53.720 powerful God who has the power to wake people up 1425 01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:57.640 in the morning, sat back and watched the Canaanites just 1426 01:13:57.760 --> 01:14:01.479 do evil. He didn't introduce himself up to them at all, 1427 01:14:02.039 --> 01:14:03.520 because they didn't know your God. 1428 01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:07.920 He didn't say. He did not go and say Hey, let. 1429 01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:10.960 Me give you these laws that I've not yet given Moses, 1430 01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:14.520 because I'm going to hold you accountable for some shit 1431 01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:15.560 that I'm. 1432 01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:17.119 Gonna give to my people. 1433 01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:20.159 I'm gonna hold you accountable for the shit that you 1434 01:14:20.239 --> 01:14:24.319 don't know yet. And that's what you're like, You're that's 1435 01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:27.720 what you're calling moral. You're literally saying, your God sat 1436 01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:32.359 back and watch these people do evil shit without knowing 1437 01:14:32.439 --> 01:14:35.560 your god, and he did nothing about it until he 1438 01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:38.079 raised up some mercenaries to go in and commit murder. 1439 01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:38.960 Shit. 1440 01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:41.560 Back and listen a minute, everybody was in the garden. 1441 01:14:42.680 --> 01:14:44.640 No, we're not going to the garden. Were out the garden. 1442 01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:47.000 There's no need to go. There's no need to go 1443 01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:47.600 to the garden. 1444 01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:50.319 What we're talking about right now is the fact that 1445 01:14:50.479 --> 01:14:53.720 your God sat back for hold on, know what we're 1446 01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:55.680 talking about is the fact that your God sat back 1447 01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:57.560 for four hundred. 1448 01:14:57.279 --> 01:14:59.960 Years and was like, Nope, their motherfuckers ain't evil enough yet. 1449 01:15:00.920 --> 01:15:04.640 And now one time did he intervene and introduce himself 1450 01:15:04.680 --> 01:15:07.880 to the Canaanites. He just sat back and waited until 1451 01:15:07.960 --> 01:15:09.560 his mercenaries were ripe. 1452 01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:12.279 I think you're wrong. 1453 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:17.239 That's what that's literally, that's literally, that's literally, wait, that's 1454 01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:20.199 literally what you said. You you wrought up the fact 1455 01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:22.720 that he said that the sin of the Canaanites have. 1456 01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:25.000 Not gotten to. 1457 01:15:27.159 --> 01:15:27.359 Yes. 1458 01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:31.239 So he step back and he watched them continue to 1459 01:15:31.359 --> 01:15:34.920 do evil sacrifice to Malik. Although the book doesn't say 1460 01:15:34.960 --> 01:15:37.079 that they did that. The Israelites are the one who 1461 01:15:37.159 --> 01:15:40.279 built the effect to Maleek. But that's besides the point. 1462 01:15:40.359 --> 01:15:43.960 Right now, Your God sat back and watched them just 1463 01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:46.359 do evil, and he's like, look that the marma tange 1464 01:15:46.439 --> 01:15:49.720 hot enough. Yet while his mercenaries were cooking, While his 1465 01:15:49.800 --> 01:15:50.960 mercenaries were cooking in. 1466 01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:52.960 Egypt, they didn't know. 1467 01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:54.039 I think they did. 1468 01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:56.439 I don't care what you think. There ain't nothing in 1469 01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:57.720 this book that says that they did. 1470 01:15:58.000 --> 01:15:59.199 There is absolutely nothing. 1471 01:15:59.439 --> 01:15:59.960 There is nothing. 1472 01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:00.239 I think. 1473 01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:03.720 There is nothing in this book that that says that 1474 01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:08.079 the Canaanites. New York God or his laws and statutes. 1475 01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:10.640 Bullshit, and show it to me. 1476 01:16:10.960 --> 01:16:14.079 Show it to me, all right, all right, Adam. 1477 01:16:14.119 --> 01:16:16.840 In the garden I'm talking about Adam, I'm talking about 1478 01:16:16.840 --> 01:16:17.439 the Canaanites. 1479 01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:21.680 Show me. I don't like ship, I don't feel like going. 1480 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:22.079 To the garden. 1481 01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:24.279 I don't want to go to the garden. 1482 01:16:24.479 --> 01:16:27.840 I don't want to go to the garden. Show me 1483 01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:31.439 where talk to me about the Canaanites. Show me where 1484 01:16:31.479 --> 01:16:34.880 it is the Canaanites New York. God before the injuries, 1485 01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:38.239 was sitting in there. Show me what you talking while 1486 01:16:38.279 --> 01:16:43.640 I'm talking. Show me I want to talk about the Canaanites. 1487 01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:47.720 Show me where it says the Canaanites knew your God 1488 01:16:48.119 --> 01:16:50.880 before your God sent the Israelites in there to murder them. 1489 01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:55.880 All right, if you listen, I'll tell you back in 1490 01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:58.199 the garden, Adam walked with God. 1491 01:16:58.880 --> 01:16:59.960 Oh my fucking God. 1492 01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:04.880 No, no, no, because the Canaanis don't have anything to 1493 01:17:04.960 --> 01:17:05.720 do with the garden. 1494 01:17:06.479 --> 01:17:08.239 I'm trying to I'm trying to shorten this. 1495 01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:11.359 Go to the Canaanites. 1496 01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:14.159 I'm trying to shorten this as quick as. 1497 01:17:14.119 --> 01:17:16.399 Adam don't have anything to do with the Canaanites. 1498 01:17:17.199 --> 01:17:19.239 I guess this conversation is done. If you're not going 1499 01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:21.039 to listen that, I guess it's done. 1500 01:17:21.079 --> 01:17:21.840 We got other people. 1501 01:17:23.680 --> 01:17:25.680 I don't know something. 1502 01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:28.720 I don't know who you think you're talking to. There 1503 01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:30.359 is no need for us to be in the garden. 1504 01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:34.800 I asked you about the Canaanites and I'm trying to tell. 1505 01:17:34.600 --> 01:17:37.399 You that they knew that there was a God. I 1506 01:17:37.840 --> 01:17:38.439 didn't say. 1507 01:17:38.680 --> 01:17:40.920 I did not ask you if they knew that there 1508 01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:44.039 was a God. I asked you if they knew your God. 1509 01:17:44.640 --> 01:17:46.319 And I want you to take me to the verse 1510 01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:49.199 that says that. And you're trying to gaslight me and 1511 01:17:49.319 --> 01:17:49.960 bullshit me. 1512 01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:53.520 With this garden store. There's no need. There is no 1513 01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:56.039 need for you to be going to the garden. The 1514 01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:58.159 question that I asked you has nothing to do with 1515 01:17:58.279 --> 01:17:59.960 Adam and Eve. Take me to the. 1516 01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:02.960 Scripture that says the Canaanizes knew. Take me to the 1517 01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:07.439 scripture that says the Canaanisee knew Yahweh, Jack, whatever you 1518 01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:07.960 call them. 1519 01:18:08.479 --> 01:18:10.960 Do I think that Noah and his sons did not 1520 01:18:11.319 --> 01:18:12.399 know about God. 1521 01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:14.560 I didn't ask about Noah and his son. 1522 01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:17.640 I didn't ask about no I did not ask you 1523 01:18:17.720 --> 01:18:18.880 about Noah his sons. 1524 01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:20.279 You not ask you that. 1525 01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:23.600 If I did not ask you about Noah and his sons. 1526 01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:26.960 You asked about the Canaan I you were descendants of Noah. 1527 01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:28.760 I want to I want to see. 1528 01:18:29.319 --> 01:18:30.039 I want to see. 1529 01:18:30.279 --> 01:18:31.720 I want to see the scripture. 1530 01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:33.880 I want to see the scripture that says the Canaanise 1531 01:18:34.000 --> 01:18:36.840 knew your God. The Israelites didn't even know your God 1532 01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:40.399 with Moses. The Israelites didn't even know your God or 1533 01:18:40.520 --> 01:18:42.760 what to call him when Moses. 1534 01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:43.439 Came and rescued them. 1535 01:18:43.640 --> 01:18:45.520 So how are you going to say that the Canaanise 1536 01:18:45.600 --> 01:18:46.960 knew them before the Israelites did. 1537 01:18:48.359 --> 01:18:50.399 They had to have known that they ain't. 1538 01:18:50.439 --> 01:18:52.960 No, had to have known begin they ain't. 1539 01:18:53.000 --> 01:18:55.359 No, had to have known your God set back, Your 1540 01:18:55.399 --> 01:18:58.920 God set back and watched all these were happy where God. 1541 01:18:58.840 --> 01:18:59.159 Sat that. 1542 01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:04.800 Then go hang up, man, bye bye. 1543 01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:14.640 I mean, I don't understand the pivot, Like he just 1544 01:19:14.760 --> 01:19:18.319 constantly pivoted in one direction or another. He wouldn't actually 1545 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:20.800 answer any of the questions. It's crazy. 1546 01:19:21.920 --> 01:19:24.399 I think they did know God. They knew with God. 1547 01:19:24.520 --> 01:19:26.800 That's not what I asked you. I want to go 1548 01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:29.039 to the garden. We'll take a trip out of this 1549 01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:32.319 phone call. But right now we ain't, Kennan, that's what 1550 01:19:32.479 --> 01:19:33.399 I asked you about. 1551 01:19:33.520 --> 01:19:35.520 Like that's ridiculous. 1552 01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:41.279 Oh man, all right, I'm good for either one. That's 1553 01:19:41.399 --> 01:19:44.920 uh that's left there in the queue. Uh oh yeah, 1554 01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:48.800 you know, actually I got to do right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1555 01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:50.760 I was gonna say we should probably do the announcements, 1556 01:19:51.720 --> 01:19:52.199 so yeah. 1557 01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:56.800 First off, we are excited to announce the launch of 1558 01:19:57.079 --> 01:20:01.960 our twenty twenty six Back Cruise August fifteenth at seven pm. 1559 01:20:02.680 --> 01:20:06.399 Tickets are on sale now and they're going fast, and 1560 01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:09.920 there's going to be exciting events all weekend, including a 1561 01:20:10.000 --> 01:20:14.840 special guest lecturer on Friday, a community outing and activity 1562 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:19.159 during the day on Saturday, followed by our annual members 1563 01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:23.880 town hall, and your favorite ACA shows filmed live from 1564 01:20:23.960 --> 01:20:29.600 the Free Throw Free Thought Library on Sunday featured guests 1565 01:20:29.840 --> 01:20:34.399 genetically Modified Skeptic in the end tabat Tickets available at 1566 01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:38.840 ACA dot show for slash Back Cruise, and stick around 1567 01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:41.439 until the end of the show for a special announcement 1568 01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:44.439 about Back Cruise. 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All right, let's take George. 1579 01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:21.960 You know, Georgia, Hi, how are you? 1580 01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:22.960 I'm doing? 1581 01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:23.199 Well? 1582 01:21:24.640 --> 01:21:26.680 What you want to make an argument that God is 1583 01:21:26.720 --> 01:21:33.399 a DJ. Yes, it's DJ short for devil, joke or something. 1584 01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:34.439 Demon. 1585 01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:38.239 No, no word playing, no, nothing like this. I think 1586 01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:41.159 that God is nothing without us? 1587 01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:45.239 Okay, I mean in what in what capacity are you? 1588 01:21:45.399 --> 01:21:49.319 Are you saying that he's nothing without us? That we 1589 01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:55.239 provide the experience. He can't have an experience without I don't. 1590 01:21:55.279 --> 01:21:57.399 I agree with you one hundred percent. I don't think 1591 01:21:57.479 --> 01:22:02.079 that there really is, you know, any type of disagreement there. 1592 01:22:02.239 --> 01:22:03.239 I agree that. 1593 01:22:03.760 --> 01:22:07.760 The God can't do anything without a human being. I 1594 01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:09.720 think that God is a concept that lives in the 1595 01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:14.920 minds of humans. They are his mouth, his mind, his brain, 1596 01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:15.239 Like he. 1597 01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:16.840 Doesn't have any of that with God in human So 1598 01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:18.079 I mean I agree. 1599 01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:22.079 Yeah, I'm not disagreement about it. 1600 01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:29.960 So my beliefs are hippidep new age. So I'm aware 1601 01:22:30.840 --> 01:22:34.680 that I can't provide a very stable argument. 1602 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:40.319 Well, so, George, are you saying that God exists but 1603 01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:43.720 he somehow only exists because we believe in him? 1604 01:22:43.880 --> 01:22:44.880 Like? Is that your argument? 1605 01:22:45.560 --> 01:22:45.800 Yeah? 1606 01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:50.560 I think we're eternal beings and that is the way 1607 01:22:50.680 --> 01:22:55.439 things are. It's like we deal with the physical reality 1608 01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:58.199 and also when we're in spirit, we have. 1609 01:22:58.279 --> 01:23:05.479 To deal with eternity. Okay, what things are for me? 1610 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:08.680 What's the evidence that were eternal beings? 1611 01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:14.399 Well, a strong point is that we practically live in 1612 01:23:14.439 --> 01:23:17.680 a quantum world, that everything is possible. 1613 01:23:17.840 --> 01:23:23.880 Everything is possible. That's okay. I don't know. I don't honestly, George, 1614 01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:26.159 I don't know what to do with that, but just 1615 01:23:26.199 --> 01:23:26.760 gonna be straight. 1616 01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:31.479 Well, how about how about we look at the pyramids 1617 01:23:31.560 --> 01:23:35.560 and the relics that we have all around the world, 1618 01:23:35.960 --> 01:23:38.159 in the Mexico, in the. 1619 01:23:39.840 --> 01:23:45.840 Egypt, in in South America. Okay, I don't know how 1620 01:23:45.880 --> 01:23:49.960 that's going to get us to human beings are eternal beings. 1621 01:23:50.560 --> 01:23:53.840 But also there's only so many ways you can stack 1622 01:23:54.399 --> 01:23:57.680 stack stuff and it and it be, you know, secure 1623 01:23:57.720 --> 01:24:01.479 in its foundation. Uh So. I mean the fact that 1624 01:24:01.760 --> 01:24:05.119 multiple different civilizations figured out how to build pyramids is 1625 01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:09.199 not indicative of any kind of shared consciousness or any 1626 01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:14.439 any kind of like external beings that gave us that information. 1627 01:24:14.800 --> 01:24:17.640 I mean, essentially, it's like, hey, how do I stack 1628 01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:20.720 these ship bricks this high? Oh, maybe I should do 1629 01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:22.439 it this way, maybe I should do it that way, 1630 01:24:22.720 --> 01:24:24.960 And they both figured out different ways to do it. 1631 01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:27.960 In fact, the pyramids, I've actually been to the pyramids 1632 01:24:28.079 --> 01:24:31.800 over there in Central America. They're they're fantastic, they're amazing, 1633 01:24:32.000 --> 01:24:34.479 but they're also very different than the pyramids that are 1634 01:24:34.520 --> 01:24:36.439 over there in Giza. Now I haven't been to the 1635 01:24:36.479 --> 01:24:39.399 pyramids in Giza, but I mean that you could obviously 1636 01:24:39.479 --> 01:24:43.600 tell that they're very different in their structure. So I mean, yeah, 1637 01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:46.439 they're they're pyramids, but I mean they're still different. I 1638 01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:48.479 don't know, were you trying to use the pyramids in 1639 01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:49.319 order to prove that? 1640 01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:51.600 Like, what were you trying to use them to prove? 1641 01:24:51.720 --> 01:24:53.880 Maybe I jumped in on this a little bit too quick. 1642 01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:57.199 Well let's take a look at much of Pichu. It's 1643 01:24:57.279 --> 01:25:03.840 on top of a mountain and the stones are all 1644 01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:10.319 sizes curved, and it's like, what's going on. It's like 1645 01:25:10.399 --> 01:25:13.520 on top of a mountain, and who the hell in 1646 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.119 cavement time is going to do that? 1647 01:25:17.000 --> 01:25:22.680 Cavemen? Yeah, like in ancient time, cavement time. I feel 1648 01:25:22.680 --> 01:25:26.399 like you're mixing up time periods here. Also, cavemen is 1649 01:25:26.840 --> 01:25:30.199 not a scientific designation of a period of human development 1650 01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:34.359 that I mean that it would be better if you 1651 01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:36.920 use something that was more indicative of an actual period. 1652 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:39.439 Are you talking about a time frame in which we 1653 01:25:39.520 --> 01:25:45.399 were still hunter gatherers and uh we were mixing with Neanderthals, 1654 01:25:46.159 --> 01:25:49.960 because that happened way before we started building settlements. We 1655 01:25:50.039 --> 01:25:53.800 were still in nomadic you know, groups that were hunter gatherers, 1656 01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:56.960 and so we would move with the the populations of 1657 01:25:57.039 --> 01:26:00.399 animals as well as seasons. Uh, we didn't have like 1658 01:26:00.640 --> 01:26:05.039 fixed locations, So there's that. And then if you're talking 1659 01:26:05.079 --> 01:26:08.039 about the time at which we started building things in 1660 01:26:08.119 --> 01:26:11.640 Central America, that would have been a more agrarian kind 1661 01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:14.840 of situation because they were actually laying down settlements as 1662 01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:18.239 opposed to being nomadic tribes. So it kind of seems 1663 01:26:18.279 --> 01:26:20.560 like you're mixing up time periods here. Could you be 1664 01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:21.520 a bit more specific. 1665 01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:27.039 I don't know the consensus on what time period Macho 1666 01:26:27.079 --> 01:26:30.600 Picchu was built, but for me, it's like it's on 1667 01:26:30.680 --> 01:26:31.479 top of a mountain. 1668 01:26:31.880 --> 01:26:36.000 Something is going on. Yeah, people climb the mountain with 1669 01:26:36.359 --> 01:26:40.079 with stones on their backs and they built shit. Also, 1670 01:26:40.199 --> 01:26:44.000 Machu Pichu was built in the fifteenth century. Okay, Okay, 1671 01:26:44.640 --> 01:26:50.720 so not not cavemen times. This is google abull shit there, Georgie. 1672 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:54.159 But it's on top of a mountain. Man, It's like 1673 01:26:55.119 --> 01:26:58.880 something is going on. Who is going to do you need? 1674 01:26:59.319 --> 01:27:02.039 Do you need something magical in order to carry your 1675 01:27:02.199 --> 01:27:03.680 rock up the side of a mountain? 1676 01:27:04.319 --> 01:27:07.640 Why don't we have h the information on the building? 1677 01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:12.279 Who says that we don't have that information? I don't know. 1678 01:27:12.640 --> 01:27:15.880 I'm not sure what Why the fuck would you say it? 1679 01:27:16.560 --> 01:27:18.760 Like, I'm gonna is he trying to say? Is he? 1680 01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:21.640 I thought his original stance was the God within nothing 1681 01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:24.560 without is now it sounds like he's saying that the God. 1682 01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:27.800 Helped him build this? Like what is he saying? I 1683 01:27:28.479 --> 01:27:30.680 typically found out? I didn't. I didn't catch that. 1684 01:27:31.600 --> 01:27:34.520 That's fine. Uh no, yeah, I think that he's trying 1685 01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:37.439 to make I don't know. Typically people bring up Machu 1686 01:27:37.479 --> 01:27:39.520 Picchu in the Pyramids when they're wanting to go ancient 1687 01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:42.720 aliens type ship? Are you doing ancient alien ship? It's 1688 01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:47.520 being the god or like see, I'd called it, fucking 1689 01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:51.239 called it, I knew it. I believe in aliens. Of course, 1690 01:27:51.960 --> 01:27:53.000 it's part of the deal. 1691 01:27:56.000 --> 01:27:59.560 Okay, are aliens got to you? 1692 01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:01.159 No? 1693 01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:07.920 Not at all weird equals. But see Machu Picchu was 1694 01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:12.880 built using a masterclass of Inca engineering called ashlar masonry, 1695 01:28:12.920 --> 01:28:16.359 where stones were cut to fit together perfectly without any mortar. 1696 01:28:18.199 --> 01:28:18.319 Uh. 1697 01:28:18.960 --> 01:28:23.159 There's underground terraces, there's deep foundations, there's a drainage system. 1698 01:28:24.359 --> 01:28:27.239 Uh llama power. 1699 01:28:27.439 --> 01:28:27.640 Yeah. 1700 01:28:27.720 --> 01:28:30.319 The heavy stones were hauled up as deep mountain ridges 1701 01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:34.960 using ropes, ramps and pure human and animal labor. We know, 1702 01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:37.680 we know how this was built there, Georgie, Like, I 1703 01:28:37.720 --> 01:28:40.079 don't what what's the point? Can you can? 1704 01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:41.239 You can? 1705 01:28:43.920 --> 01:28:48.039 Because we're we have better ways of carrying stones up mountains, 1706 01:28:48.119 --> 01:28:51.000 and we also don't have to build on mountains like that. Like, 1707 01:28:51.079 --> 01:28:54.800 I don't know what the fuck you're pointing out here? Like, so, 1708 01:28:55.079 --> 01:28:57.399 so how does this connect? Can you connect this back 1709 01:28:57.439 --> 01:29:00.720 to God for us? Because I'm lost down? 1710 01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:08.039 So there are in responsibilities in our world and in 1711 01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:13.359 spirit and incarnating in worlds like this is just went 1712 01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:16.439 one way to deal with eternity, that's all. 1713 01:29:17.479 --> 01:29:21.399 I'm sorry. There was a whole bunch of of word 1714 01:29:21.520 --> 01:29:25.199 solid to me. Could you could you maybe break it 1715 01:29:25.279 --> 01:29:27.760 down to me? Like I'm five years old? 1716 01:29:28.319 --> 01:29:33.039 Well, God is nothing special, but without us there would 1717 01:29:33.079 --> 01:29:37.039 be no adventure, no worlds like ours. 1718 01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:42.680 But I think I think we we've agreed with you 1719 01:29:42.800 --> 01:29:44.600 on that, but it's kind of sounds like you're adding 1720 01:29:44.680 --> 01:29:46.199 aliens in this MH. 1721 01:29:48.199 --> 01:29:49.920 They have their own adventures. 1722 01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:53.760 Aliens. 1723 01:29:55.920 --> 01:30:01.800 Well there it is extraterrestrials that are human just sleep 1724 01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:06.640 on another planet and aliens are very alien to us. 1725 01:30:07.239 --> 01:30:13.560 Aliens A right, I think this is more truth truth wanted. 1726 01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:16.960 Yeah, yeah, Georgie, you miss truth wanted by just a 1727 01:30:17.039 --> 01:30:20.159 little bit. They start at I believe about two forty 1728 01:30:20.319 --> 01:30:25.039 five pm Central time. If I'm not if I'm not 1729 01:30:25.159 --> 01:30:30.640 mistaken there, but I can't hold on, I can't see Kelly, Kelly, 1730 01:30:30.680 --> 01:30:32.199 give me a thumbs up? Did I get that? That 1731 01:30:32.399 --> 01:30:35.920 time frame right? Two forty five? Yeah, about two forty 1732 01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:39.880 five Central time on Sundays is truth wanted. And trust me, 1733 01:30:40.039 --> 01:30:42.439 they would love to interact with you on on some 1734 01:30:42.600 --> 01:30:43.399 alien stuff. 1735 01:30:43.439 --> 01:30:48.359 Okay, all right, let me just say, quh, what it 1736 01:30:48.479 --> 01:30:51.199 takes for you to believe that God is real? But 1737 01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:55.119 he's nothing special, that we're part of him and we 1738 01:30:55.279 --> 01:30:58.439 also have infinite awareness, we're we're in spirits. 1739 01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:01.600 Okay, I think I already said that I think that 1740 01:31:01.720 --> 01:31:03.159 God exists in your minds. 1741 01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:07.039 I knew the God is real because you believe the 1742 01:31:07.079 --> 01:31:07.640 God is real. 1743 01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:11.760 So you do and say and act because you believe 1744 01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:13.600 that that's what the God wants you to do. 1745 01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:17.640 So would you say, would you? Would you? 1746 01:31:17.680 --> 01:31:20.640 Would you agree that everything is connected even on a 1747 01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:22.399 physical level like physical laws? 1748 01:31:22.920 --> 01:31:24.479 Everything is connected? 1749 01:31:25.680 --> 01:31:27.199 Like what do you everything? 1750 01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:27.359 Like? 1751 01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:29.840 What? On a physical level? Like what? 1752 01:31:31.359 --> 01:31:36.000 Like the whole universe for example? One example with physical laws, 1753 01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:40.000 with physical laws like gravity. 1754 01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:43.159 I don't I mean not in the not in the 1755 01:31:43.279 --> 01:31:44.399 way that you're meaning it. 1756 01:31:45.399 --> 01:31:48.760 I don't know how you would know that. Why are 1757 01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:51.479 you asking me? Would I agree that? How would I 1758 01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:52.279 be able to say? 1759 01:31:52.359 --> 01:31:52.560 Yep? 1760 01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:53.880 I tested that I know that. 1761 01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:59.119 Like I asked, what would it take for you to say, Okay, 1762 01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:01.239 God exists, but he's nothing spaid. 1763 01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:03.399 I already told you I think your God exists in 1764 01:32:03.479 --> 01:32:04.159 your minds? 1765 01:32:04.880 --> 01:32:08.439 All right? All right? Yeah, like I agree, we're one 1766 01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:08.880 with God. 1767 01:32:09.720 --> 01:32:16.520 I didn't say that. That's not the same thing. Your 1768 01:32:16.600 --> 01:32:20.119 God exists in your mind. You hold a belief in 1769 01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:23.159 a God, so the God is real to you, so 1770 01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:27.279 you act on behalf of that belief, and that makes 1771 01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:30.920 the God real, right because you exist? 1772 01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:36.560 I would say, it's not far fetched to think that 1773 01:32:37.439 --> 01:32:40.439 there is an eternal spirit that we are part of. 1774 01:32:42.199 --> 01:32:46.239 Those are just claims, Georgie, those are just claims. You 1775 01:32:46.359 --> 01:32:47.960 have to you have to be able to prove them. 1776 01:32:49.319 --> 01:32:50.680 I didn't say that either. 1777 01:32:50.760 --> 01:32:54.039 I said that God was an idea that you hold 1778 01:32:54.199 --> 01:32:57.479 in your mind, that you hold in your your your thoughts, 1779 01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:03.560 and your heart, and you act on behalf from that idea, 1780 01:33:03.680 --> 01:33:05.960 like the inspiration of the God. It's kind of like 1781 01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:11.760 when they say that all scripture is inspired by God. 1782 01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:14.680 Scripture is inspired by men. 1783 01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:15.960 Who believed in a God. 1784 01:33:16.880 --> 01:33:22.279 They wrote from their belief, like that belief was the 1785 01:33:22.399 --> 01:33:26.359 inspiration for why they wrote what they wrote, not that. 1786 01:33:26.479 --> 01:33:27.880 A God told them what to say. 1787 01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:31.960 And so I think all of you are who hold 1788 01:33:32.000 --> 01:33:36.199 a belief in a God, your worldview is inspired by 1789 01:33:36.239 --> 01:33:38.720 that belief, and that makes the God real to you. 1790 01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:45.560 I think my point of view is that if infinity 1791 01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:50.680 and eternity were something non existent, we couldn't even talk 1792 01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:55.079 about this stuff. You have ideas wrap around our minds 1793 01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:59.520 around these kind of ideas, because if they didn't exist, 1794 01:34:00.199 --> 01:34:04.640 would do something different. We would be maybe more constraint 1795 01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:05.279 or something. 1796 01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:09.000 But what what did what did you have to do 1797 01:34:09.119 --> 01:34:12.159 with infinity and eternity, Like have you ever looked to 1798 01:34:12.239 --> 01:34:17.199 see like what your experience would be if you will 1799 01:34:17.920 --> 01:34:20.039 within the time of eternity. 1800 01:34:20.960 --> 01:34:25.359 Well, spirit is a timeless state of being, so there 1801 01:34:25.439 --> 01:34:26.720 is no time that. 1802 01:34:27.000 --> 01:34:33.000 Just so I was thinking of certain Georgie that that's 1803 01:34:33.079 --> 01:34:40.920 incoherent okay, okay, like God is nothing special. 1804 01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:45.600 Our natural state is with God in spirit, being based 1805 01:34:45.640 --> 01:34:48.079 out and stuff like that. 1806 01:34:48.920 --> 01:34:51.840 Well, I think you so cul truth wanted next Sunday 1807 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:53.399 and have this conversation. 1808 01:34:53.520 --> 01:34:55.079 We do have one more call to go before the 1809 01:34:55.199 --> 01:34:56.760 end of the show. I thank you so much for 1810 01:34:56.880 --> 01:34:57.479 calling in though. 1811 01:34:57.479 --> 01:35:00.920 Okay, okay, thank you, ken, I welcome one, have a 1812 01:35:01.039 --> 01:35:05.880 have a great night, all right, okay. 1813 01:35:06.399 --> 01:35:08.920 Uh So we do have our last caller, uh and 1814 01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:11.319 then we're going to get to any super chats that 1815 01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:14.640 anybody has, so send in those super chats if you 1816 01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:15.560 want us to address those. 1817 01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:22.439 Hello, Hi, ag Hi, how are you? 1818 01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:24.279 Is it a. 1819 01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:28.279 One one? 1820 01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:37.159 So you want to calling about the possibility of God 1821 01:35:37.239 --> 01:35:40.279 existing and not caring about human reality? 1822 01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:42.720 Okay, what are your thoughts? 1823 01:35:42.840 --> 01:35:47.840 And to discuss about your you buys. 1824 01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:51.199 Certainty on materialism you know on that word. 1825 01:35:52.960 --> 01:35:56.239 I'm sorry I said that again, you want to start, 1826 01:35:57.560 --> 01:35:58.720 I'm sorry, send that again. 1827 01:36:01.479 --> 01:36:04.600 Which topic would you like me to talk? 1828 01:36:05.279 --> 01:36:07.319 Well, you're it's your god evil. 1829 01:36:08.000 --> 01:36:09.479 Well, first off, you said you want to talk about 1830 01:36:09.479 --> 01:36:12.239 the possibility of God existing. I'm willing to grant you 1831 01:36:12.560 --> 01:36:15.520 that the God exists for the purposes of getting to 1832 01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:18.720 the actual topic. I mean, I don't know if godless 1833 01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:22.199 wants to have the conversation with you about God existing 1834 01:36:22.359 --> 01:36:26.159 or not, but I quite frankly would just grant for 1835 01:36:26.239 --> 01:36:30.159 the purposes of an internal critique that your God exists 1836 01:36:30.159 --> 01:36:30.840 for this conversation. 1837 01:36:32.159 --> 01:36:34.640 Yeah, I'm you know, I'm really. 1838 01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:43.880 An agnostic in respect of like any more specific infinitial 1839 01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:47.920 of God. But what I do have is that I 1840 01:36:48.760 --> 01:36:53.760 don't think I am like a material list or like 1841 01:36:53.880 --> 01:36:56.920 a purely naturalist anymore. 1842 01:36:58.760 --> 01:37:01.479 Okay, so you're right now, you don't have a belief 1843 01:37:01.479 --> 01:37:05.079 in a god like you don't necessarily subscribe to a. 1844 01:37:06.760 --> 01:37:07.079 Guide. 1845 01:37:09.239 --> 01:37:09.920 Could you repeat? 1846 01:37:09.960 --> 01:37:12.439 I'm sorry, I'm trying to make sure I understand what 1847 01:37:12.520 --> 01:37:12.760 you said. 1848 01:37:12.800 --> 01:37:19.279 You're agnostic and you don't necessarily subscribe to any specific 1849 01:37:19.560 --> 01:37:21.800 deity like are you an agnostic theist? 1850 01:37:23.079 --> 01:37:28.279 And maybe more more or less more more like a 1851 01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:37.279 Tenantes you know, like man God. You know, the material 1852 01:37:37.479 --> 01:37:46.840 war uh is basically inside God. But God is like 1853 01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:47.800 something greater. 1854 01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:54.079 Than the material work. And the reason I say the same. 1855 01:37:55.680 --> 01:37:59.720 About morality because I do agree with you that in 1856 01:37:59.840 --> 01:38:07.279 the a strict traditional like classical peace definition, there is 1857 01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:13.359 the youth throw dilemma that basically, you know, you cannot 1858 01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:18.680 have the three try our characteristics at the same time. 1859 01:38:19.760 --> 01:38:27.560 And I sometimes like just tempted two. You know, the 1860 01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:33.199 possibility that either it is the moral aspect you know 1861 01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:38.279 of the benevolence that a God, to be consistent. 1862 01:38:38.520 --> 01:38:43.239 Would not have it, or it could also be lack of. 1863 01:38:45.199 --> 01:38:49.079 Of me of minipotence in a traditional sense, you know. 1864 01:38:52.880 --> 01:38:58.800 But that but that wouldn't mean that there wouldn't be 1865 01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:05.520 a God that is like a non materialistic basis for reality. 1866 01:39:05.760 --> 01:39:09.560 You know, I'm sorry, I'm having a little difficulty understanding you, 1867 01:39:09.680 --> 01:39:14.600 so I don't call You're saying that you believe that 1868 01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:16.399 God and. 1869 01:39:17.960 --> 01:39:19.439 God is omni benevolent. 1870 01:39:20.680 --> 01:39:24.800 No, that that God may not be on the benevolence 1871 01:39:25.359 --> 01:39:30.760 or may not be of nipotent in the traditional sense. 1872 01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:33.800 But what God like are you said? The universe is God, 1873 01:39:33.960 --> 01:39:36.039 Nature is God like? What is God? Here though. 1874 01:39:36.640 --> 01:39:42.000 No, I'm not saying that the nature is God, but 1875 01:39:44.479 --> 01:39:50.439 that I am inclined to think that there must be 1876 01:39:51.399 --> 01:39:57.600 a God in the sense of a non materialistic basis 1877 01:39:57.720 --> 01:39:58.800 for reality. 1878 01:39:59.479 --> 01:40:03.039 No realistic basic basis for reality. 1879 01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:14.600 Yeah, yeah, because well I so hold on, you. 1880 01:40:14.640 --> 01:40:17.199 Know, materials with the problem. 1881 01:40:21.119 --> 01:40:21.159 On. 1882 01:40:23.359 --> 01:40:26.279 So, Uh, I get that you want to think that 1883 01:40:26.359 --> 01:40:30.479 there's some kind of magical basis for reality, but that's 1884 01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:32.840 kind of a bit of a logical leap there going 1885 01:40:33.000 --> 01:40:37.720 from reality exists and it requires some kind of magical 1886 01:40:37.920 --> 01:40:41.000 aspect to it in order for it to exist. So 1887 01:40:41.560 --> 01:40:45.359 can you help build that bridge between reality and the 1888 01:40:46.319 --> 01:40:49.000 god that like the God that you think exists, that 1889 01:40:49.279 --> 01:40:51.479 that reality is dependent upon. 1890 01:40:53.720 --> 01:40:54.439 And yeah. 1891 01:40:56.840 --> 01:41:01.600 The reason why I say that, uh is mine, you know, 1892 01:41:02.000 --> 01:41:06.720 And it's touching the problem for materialism. How do you 1893 01:41:06.840 --> 01:41:15.439 reconcile the problem of consciousness? On you your direct access 1894 01:41:15.640 --> 01:41:27.479 to first of can suggestive experience and so well. 1895 01:41:25.399 --> 01:41:27.880 Hold on before you go on, but you mentioned one thing, 1896 01:41:27.960 --> 01:41:31.960 and that's the problem of consciousness. And I for for 1897 01:41:32.159 --> 01:41:35.960 me personally, I am an emergentist. So like consciousness is 1898 01:41:36.079 --> 01:41:40.039 an emergent property of a complex central nervous system. 1899 01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:40.760 Uh. 1900 01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:43.720 And so that what that means is that, you know, 1901 01:41:44.039 --> 01:41:48.520 not only humans can have a consciousness. Obviously, other animals, 1902 01:41:48.640 --> 01:41:52.119 other life forms can have can be conscious There's also 1903 01:41:52.279 --> 01:41:55.720 a difference in levels of consciousness, Like there's very basic 1904 01:41:55.800 --> 01:41:58.199 consciousness and then their sentients and all this other stuff. 1905 01:41:58.600 --> 01:42:01.199 So like, but I think that it all depends on 1906 01:42:01.560 --> 01:42:04.479 how complex thees central nervous system is, and how the 1907 01:42:04.640 --> 01:42:08.600 central nervous system interacts with the environment around it and 1908 01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:13.000 reacts to stimulus. So like, all of that is an 1909 01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:18.079 emergent property, and so our consciousness, our experiences, all those 1910 01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:23.039 things can be interpreted through like the chemical processes and 1911 01:42:23.119 --> 01:42:27.079 the structures of our brains and everything. So like, we 1912 01:42:27.159 --> 01:42:30.479 don't need some magical aspect to consciousness in order to 1913 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:31.039 explain it. 1914 01:42:31.760 --> 01:42:36.199 But still has he stated what that magical aspect. 1915 01:42:36.079 --> 01:42:40.119 Is other than an ambiguous God figure. No, he hasn't 1916 01:42:40.119 --> 01:42:42.560 really been able to describe it. He just keeps jumping 1917 01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:43.560 from claim to claim. 1918 01:42:45.079 --> 01:42:50.520 It would be consciousness, you know God, So consciousness is 1919 01:42:50.600 --> 01:42:54.319 God like consciousness. 1920 01:42:54.840 --> 01:42:58.119 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. W are you saying? Are you 1921 01:42:58.199 --> 01:43:00.279 saying consciousness would be God? 1922 01:43:02.119 --> 01:43:07.960 Not all consciousness, you know, in. 1923 01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:18.279 Trivial sense, but all consciousness would be derived from the 1924 01:43:18.359 --> 01:43:19.600 consciousness of God. 1925 01:43:21.359 --> 01:43:25.960 What is the God though, it would be the. 1926 01:43:28.880 --> 01:43:30.159 You know, the vision that. 1927 01:43:32.439 --> 01:43:37.680 The universe and what is potentially outside the universe are. 1928 01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:40.439 So when I said, you're saying the universe is God? 1929 01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:44.359 You said no, But you are saying that, I'm saying 1930 01:43:44.520 --> 01:43:46.840 that the universe would be a part. 1931 01:43:47.039 --> 01:43:48.239 A part of God. 1932 01:43:49.079 --> 01:43:53.840 Yes, the universe is a part of God. Yes, But 1933 01:43:54.000 --> 01:43:58.239 what is the God? Like, what's beyond the what else? 1934 01:43:58.319 --> 01:43:59.319 What other part of him? 1935 01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:07.479 It would be nature, You're saying everything, the universe, nature, humans, 1936 01:44:08.159 --> 01:44:09.079 everything is God? 1937 01:44:09.319 --> 01:44:10.199 Is what you are saying. 1938 01:44:10.840 --> 01:44:14.760 No, So what's the other part of God? I got 1939 01:44:14.800 --> 01:44:15.359 the universe? 1940 01:44:15.439 --> 01:44:15.920 And what else? 1941 01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:20.039 Could you repeat that? 1942 01:44:21.199 --> 01:44:21.239 What? 1943 01:44:21.439 --> 01:44:24.199 What are the other parts of your God? The universe 1944 01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:27.079 and what else? If not consciousness, the. 1945 01:44:27.159 --> 01:44:27.800 Universe and what? 1946 01:44:28.720 --> 01:44:30.960 Because the other the reason why I need to figure 1947 01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:34.359 this out is because the other part of your reason 1948 01:44:34.399 --> 01:44:37.279 for calling is to discuss whether or not your God 1949 01:44:37.479 --> 01:44:40.800 could be evil and not care about morals. And we 1950 01:44:40.960 --> 01:44:44.760 can't have that discussion until we know what you're calling God. 1951 01:44:46.880 --> 01:44:53.720 All right, what I'm calling God would beat them. 1952 01:44:56.720 --> 01:44:58.399 Them, the. 1953 01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:02.319 Hm the. 1954 01:45:06.119 --> 01:45:10.600 How do you describe it? It's uh, it would be them. 1955 01:45:14.359 --> 01:45:19.239 The organicity of the universe, you know, and the and 1956 01:45:19.359 --> 01:45:21.199 the of existence. 1957 01:45:21.359 --> 01:45:26.439 I'm calling God them origin. 1958 01:45:26.520 --> 01:45:30.319 Of you know, in in kind of our platonic sense, 1959 01:45:30.680 --> 01:45:34.039 the origin of existence. 1960 01:45:34.279 --> 01:45:34.720 Basically. 1961 01:45:35.920 --> 01:45:40.239 Well, so this just sounds like presuppositional apologetics, like you're 1962 01:45:40.279 --> 01:45:43.319 just pre supposing that there is a God that exists, 1963 01:45:43.399 --> 01:45:47.520 and is it is the non contingent thing that everything 1964 01:45:47.600 --> 01:45:51.039 else is contingent upon. Is that what you're doing or 1965 01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:52.800 are you doing a contingency argument? 1966 01:45:53.600 --> 01:45:59.520 I do think the contingency argument, you know, which I 1967 01:45:59.760 --> 01:46:02.119 do think going. 1968 01:46:02.000 --> 01:46:05.800 From the contingency argument to immediately like the Christian God 1969 01:46:06.600 --> 01:46:07.720 would be a. 1970 01:46:09.479 --> 01:46:14.800 High reach, you know, a high jump. But I'm not 1971 01:46:14.920 --> 01:46:15.279 saying that. 1972 01:46:16.279 --> 01:46:23.720 I'm saying exactly what the contingency argument would imply this 1973 01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:27.880 kind of consation, you know, I'm not pre supposing, like 1974 01:46:28.279 --> 01:46:32.319 the Christian God or the God of a specifical religion. 1975 01:46:32.680 --> 01:46:33.079 I do. 1976 01:46:35.680 --> 01:46:39.359 From the ones that kind of have the tendency that 1977 01:46:39.800 --> 01:46:46.439 there is some truth in in like most religious But 1978 01:46:47.039 --> 01:46:51.560 people often misunderstand what people like me. 1979 01:46:53.399 --> 01:46:55.560 Say say when we say that. 1980 01:46:56.479 --> 01:46:59.119 When I say that, I don't. 1981 01:46:59.000 --> 01:47:04.159 Mean that every religion is consistent we need each other, 1982 01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:09.560 but that I see and if you study like compared 1983 01:47:09.600 --> 01:47:14.560 toive religion and mythology, you can see like patterns that 1984 01:47:15.439 --> 01:47:19.840 that emerge that are are kind of commons to the 1985 01:47:20.039 --> 01:47:27.880 different religions. For example, I think it's amazing and escapes 1986 01:47:28.600 --> 01:47:29.199 from my. 1987 01:47:33.560 --> 01:47:36.119 My my possibility of of. 1988 01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:42.319 Having you know, kind of a natural explation that for example, 1989 01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:48.600 something that the mysticism of the you know, medieval philosopher 1990 01:47:49.560 --> 01:47:52.039 mystic master Egghort. 1991 01:47:52.439 --> 01:47:54.880 Has a very similar. 1992 01:47:56.640 --> 01:48:03.920 Metaphysics to the the metasy physics of Zen Buddhism productions. 1993 01:48:04.840 --> 01:48:10.439 They are very similar metaphysics when you analyze those different 1994 01:48:11.000 --> 01:48:15.640 systems that never chain in contact with each other. 1995 01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:22.720 You know, no, it's very hard to follow. It's very 1996 01:48:22.720 --> 01:48:26.520 hard to follow, and that like, why argue something that 1997 01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:27.319 you cannot? 1998 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:29.680 What's my point is that. 1999 01:48:31.359 --> 01:48:35.800 I don't in that in this very moment, I don't 2000 01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:44.399 land more credibility to the materialist hypothesis than to a 2001 01:48:44.680 --> 01:48:48.800 non materialistic or idealistic option. 2002 01:48:49.239 --> 01:48:49.439 You know. 2003 01:48:51.439 --> 01:48:53.680 What, what seems to what seems to give you the 2004 01:48:53.760 --> 01:48:56.960 indication that something more than the material world exists. 2005 01:48:58.000 --> 01:49:02.319 Well, for example, and I'm sure, uh, I'm not trying 2006 01:49:02.359 --> 01:49:04.399 to do like a dodger with this or something, but 2007 01:49:05.039 --> 01:49:07.239 you said that you are an emergentist. 2008 01:49:07.720 --> 01:49:17.319 You know, I think emergentism is not like a strict materialism. 2009 01:49:18.760 --> 01:49:26.119 Because when you say, uh that something categorically different is 2010 01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:29.399 different emerges uh. 2011 01:49:30.399 --> 01:49:35.399 From from matter, but it is not matter in itself. 2012 01:49:36.760 --> 01:49:41.680 That is bringing another metaphysical realald to the the conversation 2013 01:49:42.359 --> 01:49:48.279 that emergentism. Yeah, we surely matter would perceive that, but 2014 01:49:48.640 --> 01:49:55.680 it still is another categorically different thing that matters, you know. 2015 01:49:56.199 --> 01:50:01.479 I think emergentism most of the times is a you know. 2016 01:50:02.239 --> 01:50:04.680 No, no, no. 2017 01:50:04.920 --> 01:50:08.680 I mean, so emergent properties are not the same thing 2018 01:50:08.720 --> 01:50:12.960 as dualism. Emergent properties are when you know that there's 2019 01:50:13.000 --> 01:50:16.920 an interaction between different individual things and then this other 2020 01:50:17.079 --> 01:50:21.079 property then manifests. So I mean it's based in a 2021 01:50:21.279 --> 01:50:27.800 materialistic sort of framework. Just because the emergent properties aren't 2022 01:50:28.199 --> 01:50:32.239 like like one to one directly represented in the material 2023 01:50:32.319 --> 01:50:35.800 world like consciousness or you know, anything like that. Just 2024 01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:37.520 because there's not like a one to one thing and 2025 01:50:37.640 --> 01:50:39.680 it's more of a complex situation, does it mean that 2026 01:50:39.760 --> 01:50:42.479 it's like dualism? Like, I don't know what you're talking 2027 01:50:42.520 --> 01:50:43.000 about here. 2028 01:50:43.159 --> 01:50:44.079 I don't know. 2029 01:50:44.199 --> 01:50:46.680 I kind of feel like we're really not We're not 2030 01:50:46.840 --> 01:50:50.760 getting too many, Like really anywhere with you, Juan, You've 2031 01:50:50.800 --> 01:50:54.079 got a very confusing sort of theology here as well 2032 01:50:54.159 --> 01:50:57.159 as not really it seems like you really don't know 2033 01:50:57.239 --> 01:50:59.399 how to describe it. What I'm getting out of it 2034 01:50:59.680 --> 01:51:04.000 is you seem to be like a pre suppositionalist, you 2035 01:51:04.159 --> 01:51:09.439 presupposing that this God is necessary for reality given some 2036 01:51:09.760 --> 01:51:15.520 various reasons that you think that emergent properties or properties 2037 01:51:15.960 --> 01:51:22.079 of this reality that aren't directly represented by materialism, like thoughts, consciousness, 2038 01:51:22.239 --> 01:51:27.399 that kind of thing, somehow that proves that there's a 2039 01:51:27.560 --> 01:51:30.600 magical aspect to this reality. And I just don't see that. 2040 01:51:31.720 --> 01:51:32.039 I don't. 2041 01:51:32.079 --> 01:51:32.359 I don't. 2042 01:51:32.439 --> 01:51:35.279 I don't see that as being you know, all that 2043 01:51:35.560 --> 01:51:39.119 indicative of it. It kind of reminds me of like 2044 01:51:39.159 --> 01:51:41.840 if you were to mix two different colors together and 2045 01:51:41.920 --> 01:51:45.159 you get a different color, Like that different color is 2046 01:51:45.239 --> 01:51:48.680 still represented by reality, right, It's still part of the 2047 01:51:48.800 --> 01:51:51.960 natural world, even if that color is made by mixing 2048 01:51:52.079 --> 01:51:57.920 two different colors. I don't know. I'm thoroughly confused, Twan. 2049 01:51:58.239 --> 01:52:02.119 And but morely, we we are kind of at time 2050 01:52:02.199 --> 01:52:02.720 for our show. 2051 01:52:03.520 --> 01:52:08.760 Okay, okay, just like one last thing and in particularifying, uh, 2052 01:52:10.119 --> 01:52:11.840 it's not just one. 2053 01:52:11.760 --> 01:52:15.399 Reason, Like I have talked about the. 2054 01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:20.960 You know, I do take seriously the contingency argument, but 2055 01:52:21.239 --> 01:52:24.880 I do not do the stupid thing of you know, 2056 01:52:25.359 --> 01:52:28.920 responsing just an specific. 2057 01:52:28.640 --> 01:52:33.560 Religion because of that. But it's not only that it is. 2058 01:52:35.840 --> 01:52:42.840 The arguments against yeah, you know, not arguments, but reasons 2059 01:52:42.960 --> 01:52:47.560 why I specifically would think that materialism. 2060 01:52:49.760 --> 01:52:54.760 Cannot be true because. 2061 01:52:56.680 --> 01:52:59.600 And I see and I do think emergency is not 2062 01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:01.439 you know, it's must. 2063 01:53:01.399 --> 01:53:05.520 Be the traditional dualism. But I do think it is 2064 01:53:05.560 --> 01:53:06.760 a form of Uh. 2065 01:53:09.359 --> 01:53:11.720 Okay, that's that's fine if you want to think that, 2066 01:53:11.960 --> 01:53:15.000 but the the dualism thing is not the same thing 2067 01:53:15.039 --> 01:53:19.439 as emergentism. How about this, Maybe we can, maybe we 2068 01:53:19.560 --> 01:53:22.760 can come to an agreement that you can go back 2069 01:53:23.319 --> 01:53:27.159 and workshop this idea, right, get it written down, either 2070 01:53:27.239 --> 01:53:30.159 in a syllogistic form or in any other kind of 2071 01:53:30.199 --> 01:53:34.159 way where you've got a clear, you know, description of 2072 01:53:34.319 --> 01:53:37.279 what you're trying to put down here, and and maybe 2073 01:53:37.359 --> 01:53:39.359 you can come back and we can run through that 2074 01:53:40.119 --> 01:53:43.800 for any kind of logical consistency. But do you think 2075 01:53:43.880 --> 01:53:46.600 that that might be something that you can do, is 2076 01:53:46.720 --> 01:53:49.680 to to workshop this idea into some kind of like 2077 01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:54.800 description of what you're trying to say, yeah, okay. 2078 01:53:54.840 --> 01:53:57.000 I think this would be better for truth wanted as 2079 01:53:57.039 --> 01:54:00.520 well or or talking. I think it's not it's not 2080 01:54:00.600 --> 01:54:01.479 what we're discussing. 2081 01:54:02.159 --> 01:54:07.199 Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, that's a good idea. 2082 01:54:08.119 --> 01:54:15.279 Well I was trying to I was, I was. I 2083 01:54:15.439 --> 01:54:17.680 was trying to get you to the topic. 2084 01:54:17.880 --> 01:54:20.760 Like you said that you wanted to talk about, you know, 2085 01:54:21.079 --> 01:54:24.319 how the God could be evil and not care about 2086 01:54:24.640 --> 01:54:28.760 human morality, right, and that part seemed pretty interesting to me. 2087 01:54:28.920 --> 01:54:31.359 But I don't see how we can discuss that with 2088 01:54:31.479 --> 01:54:35.279 you when you're having difficulty even describing what your idea 2089 01:54:35.319 --> 01:54:40.319 of the God is. And so unfortunately, I'm not interested in, 2090 01:54:40.960 --> 01:54:45.600 you know, the philosophical conversation about you know, men going 2091 01:54:45.640 --> 01:54:49.359 back and forth about explaining something that they no one 2092 01:54:49.439 --> 01:54:54.279 can definitively prove, you know, Like so I'm willing to 2093 01:54:54.920 --> 01:54:58.880 give you that the God exists, but you can't explain 2094 01:54:58.960 --> 01:55:01.039 what it is, like, you can't explain what it is, 2095 01:55:01.560 --> 01:55:03.239 And like, I don't want to start the conversation back 2096 01:55:03.399 --> 01:55:07.119 because we do have to get to reading the super 2097 01:55:07.199 --> 01:55:11.359 chances and stuff and into our announcement. But like Godless said, 2098 01:55:11.399 --> 01:55:14.000 if you you know workshop it a little bit come back. 2099 01:55:14.239 --> 01:55:15.039 And be able to. 2100 01:55:16.520 --> 01:55:20.159 You know, very clearly, you concise say what it is 2101 01:55:20.239 --> 01:55:24.720 that you believe a God is to you, and then 2102 01:55:24.800 --> 01:55:28.880 maybe call into Truth Wanted or Talk Heathen and and 2103 01:55:29.399 --> 01:55:30.960 and talk that through with the host there. 2104 01:55:32.800 --> 01:55:33.039 Okay. 2105 01:55:33.960 --> 01:55:37.800 I also, yeah, that's a good idea, but you mentioned 2106 01:55:37.880 --> 01:55:43.279 something that reminded me that I have problems with the 2107 01:55:44.680 --> 01:55:51.720 uh paparian definition of like what you could consider true 2108 01:55:52.479 --> 01:55:56.560 through empracism, you know, because something. 2109 01:55:57.279 --> 01:55:59.560 You gotta you gotta call back, you gotta call. 2110 01:55:59.520 --> 01:56:02.640 During Truth Wanted our Talky then okay, we have to 2111 01:56:02.800 --> 01:56:03.199 we have to. 2112 01:56:04.479 --> 01:56:06.520 Yeah, we're we're we're not going to be able to 2113 01:56:06.560 --> 01:56:09.760 interact with you on any kind of good level with 2114 01:56:09.880 --> 01:56:13.079 you right now. So let's let's save that for Truth 2115 01:56:13.159 --> 01:56:16.800 Wanted or or Talk Key then Talk Key then I 2116 01:56:16.960 --> 01:56:22.720 believe starts around one pm Central on Sundays, and then 2117 01:56:23.279 --> 01:56:26.760 Truth Wanted is at two forty five pm Central on Sundays. 2118 01:56:27.239 --> 01:56:30.600 So just uh earmark those for next week, okay, Juan, 2119 01:56:30.880 --> 01:56:33.640 and just spend this next week workshopping this idea. 2120 01:56:33.680 --> 01:56:36.760 All right, sure, sure, that's a good home word. Okay, 2121 01:56:37.000 --> 01:56:41.039 I will have my idea of written now. Then next 2122 01:56:41.079 --> 01:56:42.880 week okay, all right, have. 2123 01:56:42.960 --> 01:56:44.640 A good week. Thank you so much for calling. 2124 01:56:45.920 --> 01:56:48.399 All right, all right, yeah, I have had to say 2125 01:56:48.520 --> 01:56:49.640 I hope you have a good life. 2126 01:56:50.279 --> 01:56:55.840 Okay, you too, Han, all right, all right, I'm sorry. 2127 01:56:55.880 --> 01:56:57.520 Do you want to do the no? 2128 01:56:57.760 --> 01:56:59.560 No, no, no, no, you do it. 2129 01:56:59.640 --> 01:56:59.920 You do it. 2130 01:57:00.520 --> 01:57:01.119 You're the host. 2131 01:57:01.359 --> 01:57:04.720 Sorry, okay, I was trying to figure out, so we 2132 01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:08.079 want to think, I guess we'll go ahead and do 2133 01:57:08.279 --> 01:57:12.720 the super chats and then bring in the back up. 2134 01:57:14.960 --> 01:57:16.840 So do you want to bring the super chests on stage? 2135 01:57:16.840 --> 01:57:19.279 And then I read one and then you re one yep. 2136 01:57:19.439 --> 01:57:19.720 Okay. 2137 01:57:21.000 --> 01:57:23.840 So the first one is from AG for ninety nine. 2138 01:57:23.920 --> 01:57:26.159 Thank you, AG says the nerves are in the building. 2139 01:57:28.479 --> 01:57:29.560 Thank you so much, AG. 2140 01:57:30.439 --> 01:57:33.159 Yep. And then we get Infidel send it in the 2141 01:57:33.279 --> 01:57:36.319 nineteen ninety nine saying you don't have to be homophobic 2142 01:57:36.399 --> 01:57:39.239 if you are a Christian, but you can't be homophobic 2143 01:57:39.319 --> 01:57:42.359 if you are a humanist. That's a pretty good idea 2144 01:57:42.439 --> 01:57:45.600 right there. I mean, I agree, if you're a humanist, 2145 01:57:45.680 --> 01:57:47.239 you're definitely not going to be homophobic. 2146 01:57:48.039 --> 01:57:51.039 I agree, slow TD, I thank you so much for 2147 01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:54.319 the dollar ninety nine superchat. Let me run by Grandstanding 2148 01:57:54.439 --> 01:57:55.920 Bra ain't okay. 2149 01:57:57.880 --> 01:58:00.960 I think that was talking about Andrew and yeah, he 2150 01:58:01.079 --> 01:58:04.840 was definitely trying to grandstand blind Limey sent it in 2151 01:58:04.920 --> 01:58:09.279 the ten said Tonight on atheist gear, John talks about 2152 01:58:09.399 --> 01:58:13.680 effing Satan thinker cast pearls before swine, and Kelly gives 2153 01:58:13.760 --> 01:58:14.760 in to the voices. 2154 01:58:18.399 --> 01:58:22.319 Slow TENI for ninety nine, North Korea is an atheistic. 2155 01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:26.039 They worship their leader just because it's not your God. 2156 01:58:26.159 --> 01:58:29.520 Doesn't mean they are atheistic. Like, holy shit, this guy. 2157 01:58:31.960 --> 01:58:34.079 Keih A lot of I noticed a lot of people 2158 01:58:34.319 --> 01:58:40.520 confuse state atheism with just the atheist demographic in general 2159 01:58:40.800 --> 01:58:43.960 and state. They don't realize that state atheism is where 2160 01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:46.640 you replace the state or the supreme leader in this case, 2161 01:58:47.520 --> 01:58:50.640 you know, as the religion, and you worship the state 2162 01:58:50.880 --> 01:58:53.680 or the leader or whatnot as a as a deity. 2163 01:58:54.439 --> 01:58:58.399 They don't seem to understand the differences there. Slow TDI 2164 01:58:58.560 --> 01:59:00.520 send it in the four ninety nine, again saying North 2165 01:59:00.600 --> 01:59:04.319 Korea worships their leader like a god just because it's 2166 01:59:04.359 --> 01:59:07.319 not your god. Okay, so this is just twice holy 2167 01:59:07.640 --> 01:59:11.600 This guy's grass I see is at the ending. 2168 01:59:13.640 --> 01:59:17.960 Slow td I again, Oh, no, androids factory resetting. 2169 01:59:20.279 --> 01:59:25.560 Yeah, he totally did that slow TD I again saying, 2170 01:59:25.760 --> 01:59:29.439 but don't look at the tenth number. That would be bad. 2171 01:59:31.119 --> 01:59:31.960 The tenth number. 2172 01:59:33.000 --> 01:59:35.960 I think it's I think it's the tenth I think 2173 01:59:36.000 --> 01:59:40.079 that's what the James call the Exodus twenty seventeen, the 2174 01:59:40.159 --> 01:59:40.880 tenth commandment. 2175 01:59:41.439 --> 01:59:47.159 Oh, but what I must have missed. Don't look at 2176 01:59:47.159 --> 01:59:50.479 the tenth number. Oh, the tenth, No, that would be bad. 2177 01:59:50.800 --> 01:59:53.079 I read that as number. I mean, did you read 2178 01:59:53.119 --> 01:59:53.720 that as number? 2179 01:59:54.680 --> 01:59:56.079 I thought it was number two. I thought it might 2180 01:59:56.119 --> 01:59:57.880 have been the tenth commandment because we're. 2181 01:59:58.880 --> 02:00:01.000 At the tenth. No, that would be bad. I'm like 2182 02:00:01.159 --> 02:00:02.119 tenth nomber. 2183 02:00:03.720 --> 02:00:08.920 Over confused, Okay, and then unashamed of Pastain. There is 2184 02:00:09.159 --> 02:00:13.439 no context that make slavery. Okay, Jim, your views are 2185 02:00:13.479 --> 02:00:17.079 as gross as your God's Thursday for thank good. 2186 02:00:17.159 --> 02:00:20.720 That's the hashtag. Yeah, I love it, Thank you so much. 2187 02:00:20.840 --> 02:00:21.920 Unashamed of Pastain. 2188 02:00:23.119 --> 02:00:28.560 All right, y'all, thank y'all so much for being here today. 2189 02:00:29.439 --> 02:00:31.079 Kelly, what did you think about this show? 2190 02:00:31.479 --> 02:00:31.680 Yeah? 2191 02:00:31.840 --> 02:00:33.479 Oh, I had a lot of thoughts about this show. 2192 02:00:33.479 --> 02:00:35.760 I don't want to take up too much to give 2193 02:00:35.800 --> 02:00:39.720 me up back stain awesome, awesome. I always try to 2194 02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:41.119 crack the host up at least once. 2195 02:00:41.239 --> 02:00:44.920 So yeah, I did it. I wrote some notes as 2196 02:00:44.960 --> 02:00:45.600 I usually do. 2197 02:00:46.600 --> 02:00:49.760 Andrew, if you're still listening and you really really don't 2198 02:00:49.800 --> 02:00:52.960 know why killing is wrong, please do not move next 2199 02:00:53.000 --> 02:00:53.399 door to me. 2200 02:00:54.000 --> 02:00:58.439 Please. That's the one thing I'm asking of you. 2201 02:00:59.159 --> 02:01:01.920 And then I want I didn't really have too much 2202 02:01:01.960 --> 02:01:06.199 to say about but Georgie, boy, you know, how did 2203 02:01:06.239 --> 02:01:08.640 the Incans do all that work. You may not know 2204 02:01:08.800 --> 02:01:12.159 this because you haven't read all the Spanish writings from 2205 02:01:12.239 --> 02:01:16.079 the time period that were written down and preserved, but 2206 02:01:16.359 --> 02:01:19.680 we do know how the Incans built everything. And we 2207 02:01:19.840 --> 02:01:23.439 also know that the Incan leader, the Incan king, as 2208 02:01:23.479 --> 02:01:28.199 you will, forced all the peasants to pay two weeks 2209 02:01:28.359 --> 02:01:33.000 of their taxes as labor every year. So every male 2210 02:01:33.239 --> 02:01:37.920 person in the entire Incan empire had to work for 2211 02:01:38.159 --> 02:01:41.239 the empire two weeks of every year. I guess that 2212 02:01:41.439 --> 02:01:47.119 was their vacation, so vacation, and that's how they kept 2213 02:01:47.199 --> 02:01:49.319 and that's how they kept up the highways, that's how 2214 02:01:49.359 --> 02:01:52.920 they built those amazing buildings and temples that they built. So, 2215 02:01:53.199 --> 02:01:55.039 just to give you a better insight to it, so 2216 02:01:56.039 --> 02:01:59.199 and you were talking about how they built the stone, 2217 02:01:59.239 --> 02:02:01.279 so they weren't all like in a row like brick 2218 02:02:01.319 --> 02:02:03.840 star today. The reason they did that and we found 2219 02:02:03.880 --> 02:02:07.760 out we've done science, man, we've done testing those hold 2220 02:02:07.840 --> 02:02:10.920 up better on earthquakes. And the Incan Empire was built 2221 02:02:10.960 --> 02:02:13.479 in a place where there are lots of earthquakes, so 2222 02:02:13.640 --> 02:02:16.199 that's why they built it that way, making all those 2223 02:02:16.319 --> 02:02:18.079 weird shapes and sticking them together. 2224 02:02:18.359 --> 02:02:20.640 So just say, and this is all stuff you can 2225 02:02:20.720 --> 02:02:21.319 just google and. 2226 02:02:21.359 --> 02:02:25.520 Find out honestly if you really wanted to. Yeah, So 2227 02:02:25.640 --> 02:02:26.680 that's all I got to say. 2228 02:02:27.640 --> 02:02:29.800 Thank you for sharing that, thank you for sharing that 2229 02:02:29.920 --> 02:02:30.199 with it. 2230 02:02:30.439 --> 02:02:31.720 I just I taught it. 2231 02:02:31.840 --> 02:02:34.279 I taught some people some stuff there and truth wanted, 2232 02:02:34.319 --> 02:02:36.039 and I figured I might as well just keep teaching. 2233 02:02:38.319 --> 02:02:40.920 Well, I thank you, thank you for the work you 2234 02:02:41.039 --> 02:02:47.680 do with truth want to because those conversations are very interesting, indeed, 2235 02:02:47.760 --> 02:02:49.680 and I think it's pretty cool when people can. 2236 02:02:51.560 --> 02:02:56.479 Go down that rabbit hole of information well aliens and 2237 02:02:56.600 --> 02:02:56.920 all of that. 2238 02:02:57.159 --> 02:02:58.079 So I thank you. 2239 02:02:58.399 --> 02:03:00.159 I mean, that's my bread and butter. But you are 2240 02:03:00.199 --> 02:03:03.119 amazing at the Bible. I mean, I appreciate what you do, 2241 02:03:03.359 --> 02:03:07.239 so don't sell yourself. Sure you are, You are totally. 2242 02:03:06.880 --> 02:03:08.840 Amazing to me, so, thank you. 2243 02:03:08.960 --> 02:03:09.560 I appreciate it. 2244 02:03:09.760 --> 02:03:11.199 I wish I had your knowledge. 2245 02:03:12.399 --> 02:03:18.279 Well, look, we're envious of each other, all right, So 2246 02:03:18.359 --> 02:03:22.960 we do have a special announcement about the Back Cruise. Godless, 2247 02:03:22.960 --> 02:03:24.399 do you want to make your announcement first? 2248 02:03:25.680 --> 02:03:25.800 Uh? 2249 02:03:26.439 --> 02:03:29.800 Yeah, So I don't know how many of y'all out 2250 02:03:29.840 --> 02:03:32.279 there know this, but Thinker is actually going to be 2251 02:03:32.479 --> 02:03:36.880 at the Back Cruise this year as a special featured 2252 02:03:36.960 --> 02:03:40.279 host at the Back Cruise, and we'll be hosting AXP 2253 02:03:40.520 --> 02:03:41.199 that next day. 2254 02:03:41.920 --> 02:03:46.239 Yeah, in the studio. I'm so excited. And then Godless 2255 02:03:46.319 --> 02:03:48.039 Engineer will be there too. 2256 02:03:51.800 --> 02:03:54.760 I've already met him. I'm looking forward to meeting you, though, Thinker. 2257 02:03:54.640 --> 02:03:58.520 I'm looking for me. I'm not looking forward to meeting bats. 2258 02:03:59.600 --> 02:04:01.439 Oh, no, you're gonna be. You won't meet it, but 2259 02:04:01.520 --> 02:04:02.479 you will be amazed. 2260 02:04:02.800 --> 02:04:02.960 You know. 2261 02:04:03.119 --> 02:04:05.479 Here, here's the look I see on everybody's faces the 2262 02:04:05.520 --> 02:04:06.399 first time they see it. 2263 02:04:08.199 --> 02:04:12.399 Yeah, I hope that's all. That's No, I'm excited. 2264 02:04:12.479 --> 02:04:17.000 I've never seen bats up close, So I'm excited to 2265 02:04:17.279 --> 02:04:19.439 see the bats in to meet all of you and 2266 02:04:19.520 --> 02:04:22.680 the crew, and to do an in studio show. And 2267 02:04:23.000 --> 02:04:25.560 I'm I understand it's gonna be like two hundred people 2268 02:04:25.760 --> 02:04:30.920 in attendance in studio where we're filming it, and so 2269 02:04:31.680 --> 02:04:35.000 that's so exciting. So tickets are on sale. Look for 2270 02:04:35.119 --> 02:04:37.640 the announcements in the coming weeks as to the other 2271 02:04:37.760 --> 02:04:42.560 host that will be confirmed and also attending. Thank you 2272 02:04:42.720 --> 02:04:46.279 all so much for being here today everyone, and we 2273 02:04:46.359 --> 02:04:49.439 will see y'all next week here on Sundays at four 2274 02:04:49.560 --> 02:04:52.359 thirty pm Central for the atheist experience. 2275 02:04:52.880 --> 02:04:56.279 Bye bye bye love Yday. 2276 02:04:58.720 --> 02:05:04.680 It's not yon stop missing the bulls. 2277 02:05:05.279 --> 02:05:10.560 Everyone around you buy it, y'all. 2278 02:05:11.720 --> 02:05:15.119 Welcome M. 2279 02:05:18.199 --> 02:05:18.640 David. 2280 02:05:19.840 --> 02:05:42.640 Y'all watch Talk EA Than Live Sundays at one pm 2281 02:05:42.760 --> 02:05:45.359 Central and call into the show at five one two 2282 02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:49.920 nine nine two four two, or connect to the show 2283 02:05:50.000 --> 02:05:53.039 online at a C A dot Show slash call