Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
back in to the Mark Epstein interview with the OIG investigators. Epstein, Well,
his bell, his bell itself was one hundred plus one
hundred million, somewhere in that range. I don't know the
exact number, but whatever it was, I paid them redacted. Yeah, okay, Epstein,
I have his indiscernible. The house in Florida is a
small part Epstein technically the first bell. He called me
and asked me if I would participate in his bell,
because he's explaining that it's a better show if other
people are willing. So I said, sure, put in my
house in Florida, Epstein. That's worth two hundred thousand. That's
not indiscernible. And then come the appeal, you know, indiscernible
days but prior to his death, they called me and
they explained that, you know, they're going to do this appeal,
and he was pretty much you know, at the house
which you can find indiscernible. I think he was in
jail for indiscernible. You know, a couple of close to
one hundred nights. They asked me if I would guarantee
his indiscernible. I said yes, So, I don't remember the
exact number, but he wasn't worried about it because, like
I said, he gets cut off by redacted. No, No,
I'm just Epstein cuts him off. I'm just going to
show up redacted for especially when we had heard that
you guys we are estranged. But if I can say,
my guess would be that you actually weren't, and you
actually agreed to post bail and indiscernible. How much money
was it, Epstein up to It was somewhere in the
range of one hundred million redacted. Okay, you got that
type of money, mister Epstein indiscernible you'll see redacted. But
you mentioned another there was one other person I thought
you said that was also involved Epstein. Yeah, David Mitchell question,
just the two of you Epstein, as far as I know. Yeah,
that's the only people I've ever known. Yeah, Richmond, I
don't know if that bail application was final, it might
be Epstein. Okay, give me indiscernible redacted cut them off
and it was Jeffrey's lawyers that reached out to you
about that. Epstein. Yeah, well, the one lawyer redacted he
works in prison. Indiscernible. Actually, yeah, a long time ago,
like thirty years ago. He worked in a law firm,
and Jeffrey and I both use that law firm. I
used it for low stuff. Indiscernible, always there. But I
haven't seen him in a very long time until this indiscernible,
so he might be personal. Yeah, Okay. In these pictures
he's by the cell. You see this electric cord here.
It's like in the room access he would have to
have the door, the door swung open, and the electrical
cord was there. That was I think his defibrillator or something.
And I've seen the machine, but you could see there
is an electric cord in that picture of the electric cord,
what is that? Yeah, and in the picture I'm looking for,
it shows that electric cord. Really it's plugged into the
extension on the other side of the door, so it
was obviously moved redacted indiscernible. Epstein. Yeah, let me go back,
Let me get rid of this and go back. Redacted. Okay,
are these the scenes for us? Epstein? No, this is
my only copy of these redacted Okay, Epstein, Okay, here,
oh oh, oh fucking hell. All right. You see here
the electric cord is on the outside of the room,
and the other picture the door was opened and this
knot and stuff was on the inside of the door.
So somebody moved that for some reason because he didn't indiscernible,
and it's just like a discrepancy redacted. I see, Epstein,
And supposedly there was a lot of activity after he
was gone, at least that you can see in the
picture redacted. So it's always good for us to have
indiscernible along with the photographs and perhaps the indiscernible Epstein.
I can make the copies and send them to you redacted.
Oh my, that would be great, Epstein, No problem, Epstein. Yeah,
give me your cards and I'll send redacted. Okay, Epstein,
So you guys can he gets cut off. Well, if
there's anything, if there's something else that we're missing, Epstein, yeah, redacted.
Just let me know when you first started, were you
aware that mister Epstein went through his life he indiscernible
with his life. You didn't seem surprised. Were you surprised, Epstein?
I wasn't surprised. I'm pretty level headed, you know, so
I don't, so these don't surprise me. I've seen a
lot of shit in my life. You know, I haven't
been in the military, but military people have told me
I should have been in the military because I'm always
the one with the cool head, you know, when all
the shit breaks loose. So I wasn't surprised. It was
a little bit shocking that he was dead. But like
I said, I assumed, Okay, you were on CNN that
he committed suicide, so you originally you don't have reason
to question. You just assume that that's the case. I
mean that, and the reason that he committed suicide again,
knowing you know that he was potentially fake sing a
long term prison sentence. He didn't have kids to worry about.
He didn't have to worry about me. Our parents are dead.
There's no other relative that he was close to in
that way. So I assumed, Okay, that's what he did,
you know. But as I finished my breakfast, you know
it's but you know I didn't, And like I said,
I assumed if that was his choice, then I respect
it because look, if I was in his shoes, I
have kids, you know, like I said, if I didn't
have kids and I was potentially facing, but I did.
You know, we're not religious people. We were both raised atheists,
so you know, we don't have that kind of fear
or anything. Yeah, I might choose to take myself out,
but I would certainly wait for the bell hearing to pass.
That's what indiscernible. And Jeffrey wasn't a stupid man, so
you know, I'm sure he would have waited for that
as well, because it doesn't make sense to kill himself
two days before a bell hearing where your bell is
going to be the highest bell ever in the United
States with a guarantee redacted. I know you mentioned you
He didn't communicate with him after his arrest, his last
arrest in July. But before that did he ever mention
about possibly committing suicide? Was he ever depressed? Epstein? No, never, never, never, never,
no question. Did he ever show any tendency toward wanting
to take his life? Epstein never, never, No, that wasn't him.
He had no reason to. He had like he had
a life that you and me go anywhere we want.
He had more money than God. He did what he wanted,
you know, if he wanted to do it with me,
if he had yes, people surrounding him who catered his eyewey.
I think it means every way, but it says eyeweigh
here redacted right Epstein flying around on his private jets.
He was the indiscernible all over the place, lots of women.
You know, he doesn't side story my mother indiscernible. You know,
obviously you're going to settle down. And I said to her,
I said, he hasn't settled down because if he found
a quality of woman to settle down with instead of
these bimbos that he's hanging out with, she would eventually say, yes,
you know, why don't we do this instead of that?
That was what he wanted, I said, And that's why
she gets shown the door. Because he didn't want to
do anything that he didn't want to do, and he
was able to have the life that way. There was
no reason for him to kill himself or think about
killing himself. He was healthy, he wasn't facing any medical
issues or whatever. You know redacted. Being his brother and
knowing him the way you do, do you think that
the bill, if he was actually going to be released,
would he have any fear of being out in public
because people then now perceiving him a certain way. Epstein, Well,
he had that whole thing from two thousand and six.
He's been shunned by you know, society since that first
thing in two thousand and six. You know, like when
he's in business, he used to you know, handle the undiscernible.
That's where he made a lot of his money, you
know what I'm saying with the indiscernible. So Wexlan Wexner
distanced himself from that because you know, people would be
seeing the old Jeffrey Epstein because of his initial thing
in two thousand and six, in that period of time.
So yeah, so he already went through that shunning, you know,
and you know it is what it was. He was
trying to rehabilitate his reputation at the time. That's why
Bannon was helping him. Because Bannon was going to come
out with another story. And there's another there's people from
Australia and you'll see soon in the paper that they're
coming out with a whole story about this case with
Glenn Maxwell and the brother and these victims who they're
claiming were not really victims. You know, you know that
these are just as my mother used to say, good time,
Charlie's girls looking for a good time. You know, if
it was so victimish, you know, then how come all
these girls brought their friends to participate in these parties.
There was an interview on TV last year. It was
set in Britain, some British woman who indiscernible and my
brother who had been to some of the dinner parties
at my brother's house and so, you know, and she
started saying, there were two journalists indiscernible. She started saying,
how these girls were not victims, you know, that were
enjoying the high life, flying around in private jets, being
in these amazing homes. I mean, his house pays them,
you know. And then and once he started turning the
tide on these poor victims, the journalist shut it down
because at the time, nobody wants to hear anything positive
about Jeff. Nobody wants to hear anything negative about his victims.
You know, Jeff was just enjoying the time redacted. Do
you know if he was aware that you'll put it
up and agree to be the guarantee or guaranteur for
the bell Epstein. I think his attorney's told him that. Yeah. Question,
same thing with David Mitchell, you think the attorneys screwed
redacted Epstein, I would imagine, So, yeah, question, Okay, Richmond.
You can check the mcc records that he was meeting
with his attorneys all day and indiscernible the entire day
every day, Richmond, because all of the rest of us
had to wait because you couldn't see anybody else from
the shoe Epstein indiscernible. Also, when a couple of the
weeks before he died, he had that incident with redacted
his cell made at the time Tartaglioni redacted, Uh huh Epstein.
There's conflicting stories about it. You know, David Shone said
that and publicly that Tartaglioni attacked him one afternoon and
it was trying to say that was like a suicide attempt.
So who knows where it took place or if Tartaglioni
attacked him and then Tartaglioni was still on the tier
indiscernible redacted. Now do you know if Jeffrey spoke at
all with anyone, if his attorneys know anything about Epstein
being attacked by Tartaglioni. Epstein, David Shoon is the one
that would talk to me about that redacted. So that's
Epstein cuts them off. Like I said, is attorney, don't
give me very much information on that I was involved
in the case, and that indiscernible in place and you
don't see my name anywhere. Yes, question redacted, But that
Jeffrey specifically told him, is what you're saying, Epstein. Yeah,
question just heard of that, Epstein. No, No, David Shon
melt with Jeffrey in jail, and that's why David Chone
said that Jeffrey was upbeat about the defense redacted. Okay, Epstein,
you know, relying on another prosecution. Oh that's what got
Bill Cosby out right, another prosecution a non disclosure agreement, Yeah,
which I believe is the defense that Glenn Maxwell. You know,
but I'm not an attorney and they charge indiscernible redacted.
Anything else we know about or follow up with Epstein
like I said, like I would like to talk you know,
who were the unnamed guards number one and number two,
you know a list of people in the tier. Michael
Thomas found him in the morning, so he was in
there assuming that bar was right, and nobody went in
and out. Like I said, if he was going to
be killed, nobody would go in and out to kill him, right,
how are you going to do that? But if you
plan something, you know, to kill him, you know, that's
how you commit suicide. That's a lot of things a
suicide redacted prior to getting murdered. Epstein. No, he wasn't.
He was murdered redacted. Indiscernible, Epstein. But the d who
murdered made it look like a suicide. That's the undiscernible redacted. Oh,
I got it. I understand what you're saying. All right, So, yeah,
from you or anything that we've discussed, if you want
to attach that video as well as the photographs and
the recording, you can just send it to us through
your attorney. Epstein, Okay, redacted. And I'm grateful that we
can have other stuff to follow up on, Epstein. Okay, Epstein. Yeah,
So the guards, who the guards were, Like I said,
I wouldn't mind talking to Michael Thomas and finding out
what position was Jeffrey in when he first saw him,
when he first found him. That's very crucial what position
Jeffrey was in when Michael found him. The videotape in
the hospital, you know with the indiscernible, you know, with
the FD and line guys that we both talk. I
tried to go down to the station or the shoe yeah,
indiscernible around to talk to them, and I'm indiscernible redacted,
who won't talk to you, Epstein. I was trying to
get the fire department guys redacted, Oh okay, Epstein, to
try to get them to talk to me, but they
won't talk. I'm the next of kin. I'm entitled to
all this information redacted, sure, Epstein, And they ain't got shit,
you know, other than this paperwork redacted? Yeah, Epstein. Also,
what happens with the test and with the DNA and indiscernible?
Was that test ever done? What were the results of
that test? I mean, if it was a real artist,
then you may not find anything. Was the test done?
And what led the chief Medical Examiner to declare it
was a suicide just a few days after it was
pending forever investigation? Richmond? There was never an investigation, Epstein, Yeah,
what investigation took place? There was no indication that any
investigation took place, which, like other than bar saying well,
he's sort of nobody went in and out that convinced
him it was suicide Richmond. That came later. Epstein, Yeah,
it came later. That came later, redacted. Are you aware
of when they actually thought they deemed it a suicide? Richmond?
It was the Friday, the following Friday redacted, So that Friday.
So he was found on Saturday, the following that Friday. Epstein.
It was like five days Richmond. Yeah, Epstein, it was
something like five days Richmond. But we had heard from
the media that they were changing it. That's why we
called into the Medical Examiner's office, like, what the hell's
going on? What are you talking about? Where are you
going or getting this from? It made no sense because
there hadn't been a full investigation, Epstein. The city pathologist
and doctor Boden, they did the autopsy, Richmond, they were present, Yes, Epstein,
they were present. They did the autopsy. They said, this
looks more like murder than a suicide. And then the
chief Medical Examiner declares it's a suicide. From before. What
is she basing that on? Redacted? When they do the autopsy,
is it recorded, Richmond? Yes, redacted? Is it video recorded, Richmond?
It's audio recorded, Epstein, And the photographs redacted? Doctor indiscernible recording, Richmond.
We don't have the recording redacted, but if there was,
he would be doing the recording. Richmond. He was there, Epstein, Yeah,
because he spoke it Richmond, of course. Epstein. He said
that he did whatever he asked them to do certain
things indiscernible, so he wouldn't have to do a second autopsy.
It would be closer. If he's standing there. They indiscernible
asked him whatever he wanted. You know. Yeah, they changed it.
We don't understand why redacted. And did they agree to
the to it to be changed. Epstein No, Richmond, No,
but they didn't ask him. Epstein, No, he wasn't consulted Richmond.
He was surprised. Epstein. Yeah, well you can talk to
him if he's around, go talk to him. Indiscernible. For
contact information you have, Is there any contact information you
would like to provide Epstein for redacted I think Biden
or Boden, I mean redacted, for any of the people
that you we have, David Shoan, David Mitchell, redacted or
can you provide it through your attorney? Richmond? Why don't
you just send it all to me and I'll just
forward it to them anyone you can think that question
that we should you think that we should speak of
or two. And the contact information that you have, I'm
not talking about like the guards or things like that. Richmond. Well,
we don't have that redacted, right and I mean we
have all that stuff, but as far as the outside
of the government. Epstein, Oh, well, I'll give you David
Shoan's number. I have it right here. Gives him the number.
Great guy, by the way, talking to he's really super redacted.
What about Mitchell David Mitchell Epstein redacted because I knew
David Mitchell from long ago, and I haven't seen her
spoken to David Mitchell probably in a couple of decades
until this came about. That's when we reconnected. When I
found out that he also put money, you know, the
bail up for Jeffrey, we reconnected. Question what about Mitchell
David Mitchell Epstein redacted because I knew David Mitchell from
long ago, and I haven't seen or spoken to David
Mitchell probably in a couple of decades until this came about.
That's when we reconnected. When I found out that he
also put money, you know, the bill up for Jeffrey,
we reconnected anything else? Epstein. Back in the nineties and
early two thousands, Jeffrey and I did stuff all the time.
We were much closer to him, but then indiscernible, you know,
just got indiscernible redacted. Is there any communication via email
that would have been that you had with Jeffrey that
would help us out? Epstein, Well, I might have the
back and forth between him and I with about the
videotape Richmond, Uh huh. Epstein, Yeah, that was forwarded to
me from Bannon. Yeah, there's nothing else really, Like I said,
most of the communication with us was, you know, telling
me funny things or just keep them indiscernible with every
cousin and things like that. So redacted, maybe you talked
amongst your attorney if there is any communication that you
guys have that might be helpful for us. Epstein, Yeah,
of course, yeah, redacted. Do you know of anyone else
that communicated with Jeffrey while he was in prison other
than his attorneys? Epstein? While just redacted Richmond, I don't think,
I mean, he doesn't know his social circle Epstein, Yeah, Richmond,
so he doesn't know his friends or who he was
in business with. Or anything along that line, and he's
been shut down. I've tried to reach out to people
in the estate. He wanted to have wrongful death suit
for his brother, but the estate has the right. He
doesn't have that right, and they shouldn't. They shouldn't reach
out to him. Epstein. Yeah, and I'm not happy about
the estate wouldn't give me that right to file a
wrongful death suit because even if I did it that way,
the money, whatever money it's going to bring. Look, it's
a slam dun case for wrongful death redacted? Who was
entitled to that money? Was it the estate? Epstein? It
belonged to the estate? Redacted? And who was he gets
cut off by Epstein, the trustee, the executives redacted? Who
are they? Epstein? Redacted and redacted? Wait? What were the
name Epstein? Redacted? Redacted? Can you spell the last name
for me, mister Epstein, redacted? And who was the other person?
Questions asked Epstein. It was redacted? Right, Richmond. I'm not sure.
I think there's another executive as well, Epstein. There was
a third one as an alternate Richmond, right, But I
think Epstein cuts her off. Who was declined? Richmond? And
doesn't want to be part of it. He didn't even
know redacted. And who are these people Richmond, the estate
executives Epstein, Well, redacted is long term Richmond an attorney Epstein,
that was my brother's private attorney. So he's talking about
Darren Endyke. He worked for Jeff for a long time
and she's worked with them indiscernible redacted, I think was redacted.
I don't think he's an attorney. I think he's like
an accountant or something. He also paid indiscernible. And these
people are entitled to all. So he's talking about Indike
and con obviously question and these people are entitled to
it all, Epstein. They're in control of the estate Richmond.
It's whatever the trustees we don't know redacted, Okay, Epstein.
I mean I believe that the trustees also when he
you know, money on this day gets transferred off the
trust and then the trust got you know it says
what's to be done with it? And those guys I
believe are under the trustee as well. Yeah, Now I
don't know, Like I said, the wrongful death case, the
wrongful death suit is that a slam dunk And I
just want to point out if it was successful, there
could have been more money in the pocket for the
victims or for whatever, you know, if they're getting his money,
but the executives, the executors chose not to do it.
I question that, and I question because there's a deal
coming in, because both redacted and redacted are being looked
at and investigated, so they're rolling up all their sleeves.
And from what I heard, they've also they've hired criminal
defense attorneys for the case. So there's some deal coming in.
It would be going for wrongful death if something indiscernible redacted, Okay. Well,
if there's anything else, Epstein, Okay, you could always contact
us by phone or whatever. Epstein, okay, redacted, and we
will talk some more about that. Otherwise we'll look forward
to that other email. Epstein. You have cards? Can I
have your cards? Redacted? I don't think I actually have
a card, Epstein. Well, if not, redacted, yeah, give it
to me, Richmond. Yeah, you can go through me. Epstein, Okay, Okay, Richmond, Okay, redacted. Well,
thank you for taking the time to talk to us.
Mister Abstein, Well, pleasure might be the wrong wordad It's
eleven forty am. On September twenty two, twenty twenty one,
and we're ending the interview. This is Special Agent redacted.
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