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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right

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back in to the Mark Epstein interview with the OIG investigators. Epstein, Well,

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his bell, his bell itself was one hundred plus one

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hundred million, somewhere in that range. I don't know the

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exact number, but whatever it was, I paid them redacted. Yeah, okay, Epstein,

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I have his indiscernible. The house in Florida is a

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small part Epstein technically the first bell. He called me

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and asked me if I would participate in his bell,

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because he's explaining that it's a better show if other

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people are willing. So I said, sure, put in my

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house in Florida, Epstein. That's worth two hundred thousand. That's

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not indiscernible. And then come the appeal, you know, indiscernible

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days but prior to his death, they called me and

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they explained that, you know, they're going to do this appeal,

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and he was pretty much you know, at the house

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which you can find indiscernible. I think he was in

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jail for indiscernible. You know, a couple of close to

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one hundred nights. They asked me if I would guarantee

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his indiscernible. I said yes, So, I don't remember the

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exact number, but he wasn't worried about it because, like

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I said, he gets cut off by redacted. No, No,

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I'm just Epstein cuts him off. I'm just going to

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show up redacted for especially when we had heard that

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you guys we are estranged. But if I can say,

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my guess would be that you actually weren't, and you

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actually agreed to post bail and indiscernible. How much money

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was it, Epstein up to It was somewhere in the

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range of one hundred million redacted. Okay, you got that

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type of money, mister Epstein indiscernible you'll see redacted. But

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you mentioned another there was one other person I thought

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you said that was also involved Epstein. Yeah, David Mitchell question,

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just the two of you Epstein, as far as I know. Yeah,

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that's the only people I've ever known. Yeah, Richmond, I

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don't know if that bail application was final, it might

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be Epstein. Okay, give me indiscernible redacted cut them off

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and it was Jeffrey's lawyers that reached out to you

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about that. Epstein. Yeah, well, the one lawyer redacted he

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works in prison. Indiscernible. Actually, yeah, a long time ago,

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like thirty years ago. He worked in a law firm,

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and Jeffrey and I both use that law firm. I

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used it for low stuff. Indiscernible, always there. But I

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haven't seen him in a very long time until this indiscernible,

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so he might be personal. Yeah, Okay. In these pictures

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he's by the cell. You see this electric cord here.

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It's like in the room access he would have to

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have the door, the door swung open, and the electrical

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cord was there. That was I think his defibrillator or something.

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And I've seen the machine, but you could see there

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is an electric cord in that picture of the electric cord,

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what is that? Yeah, and in the picture I'm looking for,

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it shows that electric cord. Really it's plugged into the

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extension on the other side of the door, so it

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was obviously moved redacted indiscernible. Epstein. Yeah, let me go back,

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Let me get rid of this and go back. Redacted. Okay,

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are these the scenes for us? Epstein? No, this is

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my only copy of these redacted Okay, Epstein, Okay, here,

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oh oh, oh fucking hell. All right. You see here

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the electric cord is on the outside of the room,

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and the other picture the door was opened and this

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knot and stuff was on the inside of the door.

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So somebody moved that for some reason because he didn't indiscernible,

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and it's just like a discrepancy redacted. I see, Epstein,

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And supposedly there was a lot of activity after he

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was gone, at least that you can see in the

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picture redacted. So it's always good for us to have

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indiscernible along with the photographs and perhaps the indiscernible Epstein.

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I can make the copies and send them to you redacted.

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Oh my, that would be great, Epstein, No problem, Epstein. Yeah,

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give me your cards and I'll send redacted. Okay, Epstein,

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So you guys can he gets cut off. Well, if

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there's anything, if there's something else that we're missing, Epstein, yeah, redacted.

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Just let me know when you first started, were you

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aware that mister Epstein went through his life he indiscernible

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with his life. You didn't seem surprised. Were you surprised, Epstein?

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I wasn't surprised. I'm pretty level headed, you know, so

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I don't, so these don't surprise me. I've seen a

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lot of shit in my life. You know, I haven't

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been in the military, but military people have told me

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I should have been in the military because I'm always

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the one with the cool head, you know, when all

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the shit breaks loose. So I wasn't surprised. It was

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a little bit shocking that he was dead. But like

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I said, I assumed, Okay, you were on CNN that

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he committed suicide, so you originally you don't have reason

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to question. You just assume that that's the case. I

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mean that, and the reason that he committed suicide again,

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knowing you know that he was potentially fake sing a

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long term prison sentence. He didn't have kids to worry about.

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He didn't have to worry about me. Our parents are dead.

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There's no other relative that he was close to in

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that way. So I assumed, Okay, that's what he did,

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you know. But as I finished my breakfast, you know

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it's but you know I didn't, And like I said,

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I assumed if that was his choice, then I respect

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it because look, if I was in his shoes, I

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have kids, you know, like I said, if I didn't

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have kids and I was potentially facing, but I did.

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You know, we're not religious people. We were both raised atheists,

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so you know, we don't have that kind of fear

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or anything. Yeah, I might choose to take myself out,

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but I would certainly wait for the bell hearing to pass.

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That's what indiscernible. And Jeffrey wasn't a stupid man, so

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you know, I'm sure he would have waited for that

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as well, because it doesn't make sense to kill himself

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two days before a bell hearing where your bell is

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going to be the highest bell ever in the United

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States with a guarantee redacted. I know you mentioned you

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He didn't communicate with him after his arrest, his last

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arrest in July. But before that did he ever mention

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about possibly committing suicide? Was he ever depressed? Epstein? No, never, never, never, never,

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no question. Did he ever show any tendency toward wanting

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to take his life? Epstein never, never, No, that wasn't him.

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He had no reason to. He had like he had

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a life that you and me go anywhere we want.

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He had more money than God. He did what he wanted,

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you know, if he wanted to do it with me,

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if he had yes, people surrounding him who catered his eyewey.

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I think it means every way, but it says eyeweigh

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here redacted right Epstein flying around on his private jets.

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He was the indiscernible all over the place, lots of women.

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You know, he doesn't side story my mother indiscernible. You know,

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obviously you're going to settle down. And I said to her,

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I said, he hasn't settled down because if he found

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a quality of woman to settle down with instead of

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these bimbos that he's hanging out with, she would eventually say, yes,

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you know, why don't we do this instead of that?

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That was what he wanted, I said, And that's why

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she gets shown the door. Because he didn't want to

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do anything that he didn't want to do, and he

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was able to have the life that way. There was

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no reason for him to kill himself or think about

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killing himself. He was healthy, he wasn't facing any medical

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issues or whatever. You know redacted. Being his brother and

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knowing him the way you do, do you think that

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the bill, if he was actually going to be released,

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would he have any fear of being out in public

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because people then now perceiving him a certain way. Epstein, Well,

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he had that whole thing from two thousand and six.

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He's been shunned by you know, society since that first

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thing in two thousand and six. You know, like when

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he's in business, he used to you know, handle the undiscernible.

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That's where he made a lot of his money, you

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know what I'm saying with the indiscernible. So Wexlan Wexner

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distanced himself from that because you know, people would be

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seeing the old Jeffrey Epstein because of his initial thing

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in two thousand and six, in that period of time.

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So yeah, so he already went through that shunning, you know,

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and you know it is what it was. He was

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trying to rehabilitate his reputation at the time. That's why

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Bannon was helping him. Because Bannon was going to come

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out with another story. And there's another there's people from

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Australia and you'll see soon in the paper that they're

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coming out with a whole story about this case with

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Glenn Maxwell and the brother and these victims who they're

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claiming were not really victims. You know, you know that

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these are just as my mother used to say, good time,

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Charlie's girls looking for a good time. You know, if

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it was so victimish, you know, then how come all

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these girls brought their friends to participate in these parties.

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set in Britain, some British woman who indiscernible and my

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brother who had been to some of the dinner parties

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at my brother's house and so, you know, and she

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started saying, there were two journalists indiscernible. She started saying,

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how these girls were not victims, you know, that were

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enjoying the high life, flying around in private jets, being

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in these amazing homes. I mean, his house pays them,

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you know. And then and once he started turning the

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tide on these poor victims, the journalist shut it down

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because at the time, nobody wants to hear anything positive

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about Jeff. Nobody wants to hear anything negative about his victims.

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You know, Jeff was just enjoying the time redacted. Do

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you know if he was aware that you'll put it

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up and agree to be the guarantee or guaranteur for

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the bell Epstein. I think his attorney's told him that. Yeah. Question,

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same thing with David Mitchell, you think the attorneys screwed

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redacted Epstein, I would imagine, So, yeah, question, Okay, Richmond.

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You can check the mcc records that he was meeting

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with his attorneys all day and indiscernible the entire day

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every day, Richmond, because all of the rest of us

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had to wait because you couldn't see anybody else from

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the shoe Epstein indiscernible. Also, when a couple of the

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weeks before he died, he had that incident with redacted

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his cell made at the time Tartaglioni redacted, Uh huh Epstein.

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There's conflicting stories about it. You know, David Shone said

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that and publicly that Tartaglioni attacked him one afternoon and

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it was trying to say that was like a suicide attempt.

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So who knows where it took place or if Tartaglioni

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attacked him and then Tartaglioni was still on the tier

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indiscernible redacted. Now do you know if Jeffrey spoke at

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all with anyone, if his attorneys know anything about Epstein

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being attacked by Tartaglioni. Epstein, David Shoon is the one

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that would talk to me about that redacted. So that's

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Epstein cuts them off. Like I said, is attorney, don't

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give me very much information on that I was involved

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in the case, and that indiscernible in place and you

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don't see my name anywhere. Yes, question redacted, But that

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Jeffrey specifically told him, is what you're saying, Epstein. Yeah,

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question just heard of that, Epstein. No, No, David Shon

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melt with Jeffrey in jail, and that's why David Chone

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said that Jeffrey was upbeat about the defense redacted. Okay, Epstein,

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you know, relying on another prosecution. Oh that's what got

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Bill Cosby out right, another prosecution a non disclosure agreement, Yeah,

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which I believe is the defense that Glenn Maxwell. You know,

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but I'm not an attorney and they charge indiscernible redacted.

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Anything else we know about or follow up with Epstein

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like I said, like I would like to talk you know,

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who were the unnamed guards number one and number two,

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you know a list of people in the tier. Michael

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Thomas found him in the morning, so he was in

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there assuming that bar was right, and nobody went in

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and out. Like I said, if he was going to

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be killed, nobody would go in and out to kill him, right,

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how are you going to do that? But if you

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plan something, you know, to kill him, you know, that's

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how you commit suicide. That's a lot of things a

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suicide redacted prior to getting murdered. Epstein. No, he wasn't.

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He was murdered redacted. Indiscernible, Epstein. But the d who

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murdered made it look like a suicide. That's the undiscernible redacted. Oh,

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I got it. I understand what you're saying. All right, So, yeah,

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from you or anything that we've discussed, if you want

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to attach that video as well as the photographs and

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the recording, you can just send it to us through

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your attorney. Epstein, Okay, redacted. And I'm grateful that we

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can have other stuff to follow up on, Epstein. Okay, Epstein. Yeah,

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So the guards, who the guards were, Like I said,

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I wouldn't mind talking to Michael Thomas and finding out

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what position was Jeffrey in when he first saw him,

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when he first found him. That's very crucial what position

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Jeffrey was in when Michael found him. The videotape in

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the hospital, you know with the indiscernible, you know, with

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the FD and line guys that we both talk. I

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tried to go down to the station or the shoe yeah,

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indiscernible around to talk to them, and I'm indiscernible redacted,

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who won't talk to you, Epstein. I was trying to

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get the fire department guys redacted, Oh okay, Epstein, to

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try to get them to talk to me, but they

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won't talk. I'm the next of kin. I'm entitled to

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all this information redacted, sure, Epstein, And they ain't got shit,

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you know, other than this paperwork redacted? Yeah, Epstein. Also,

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what happens with the test and with the DNA and indiscernible?

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Was that test ever done? What were the results of

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that test? I mean, if it was a real artist,

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then you may not find anything. Was the test done?

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And what led the chief Medical Examiner to declare it

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was a suicide just a few days after it was

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pending forever investigation? Richmond? There was never an investigation, Epstein, Yeah,

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what investigation took place? There was no indication that any

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investigation took place, which, like other than bar saying well,

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he's sort of nobody went in and out that convinced

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him it was suicide Richmond. That came later. Epstein, Yeah,

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it came later. That came later, redacted. Are you aware

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of when they actually thought they deemed it a suicide? Richmond?

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It was the Friday, the following Friday redacted, So that Friday.

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So he was found on Saturday, the following that Friday. Epstein.

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It was like five days Richmond. Yeah, Epstein, it was

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something like five days Richmond. But we had heard from

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the media that they were changing it. That's why we

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called into the Medical Examiner's office, like, what the hell's

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going on? What are you talking about? Where are you

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going or getting this from? It made no sense because

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there hadn't been a full investigation, Epstein. The city pathologist

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and doctor Boden, they did the autopsy, Richmond, they were present, Yes, Epstein,

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they were present. They did the autopsy. They said, this

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looks more like murder than a suicide. And then the

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chief Medical Examiner declares it's a suicide. From before. What

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is she basing that on? Redacted? When they do the autopsy,

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is it recorded, Richmond? Yes, redacted? Is it video recorded, Richmond?

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It's audio recorded, Epstein, And the photographs redacted? Doctor indiscernible recording, Richmond.

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We don't have the recording redacted, but if there was,

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he would be doing the recording. Richmond. He was there, Epstein, Yeah,

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because he spoke it Richmond, of course. Epstein. He said

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that he did whatever he asked them to do certain

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things indiscernible, so he wouldn't have to do a second autopsy.

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It would be closer. If he's standing there. They indiscernible

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asked him whatever he wanted. You know. Yeah, they changed it.

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We don't understand why redacted. And did they agree to

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the to it to be changed. Epstein No, Richmond, No,

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but they didn't ask him. Epstein, No, he wasn't consulted Richmond.

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He was surprised. Epstein. Yeah, well you can talk to

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him if he's around, go talk to him. Indiscernible. For

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contact information you have, Is there any contact information you

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would like to provide Epstein for redacted I think Biden

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or Boden, I mean redacted, for any of the people

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that you we have, David Shoan, David Mitchell, redacted or

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can you provide it through your attorney? Richmond? Why don't

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you just send it all to me and I'll just

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forward it to them anyone you can think that question

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that we should you think that we should speak of

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or two. And the contact information that you have, I'm

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not talking about like the guards or things like that. Richmond. Well,

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we don't have that redacted, right and I mean we

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have all that stuff, but as far as the outside

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of the government. Epstein, Oh, well, I'll give you David

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Shoan's number. I have it right here. Gives him the number.

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Great guy, by the way, talking to he's really super redacted.

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What about Mitchell David Mitchell Epstein redacted because I knew

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David Mitchell from long ago, and I haven't seen her

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spoken to David Mitchell probably in a couple of decades

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until this came about. That's when we reconnected. When I

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found out that he also put money, you know, the

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bail up for Jeffrey, we reconnected. Question what about Mitchell

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David Mitchell Epstein redacted because I knew David Mitchell from

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long ago, and I haven't seen or spoken to David

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Mitchell probably in a couple of decades until this came about.

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That's when we reconnected. When I found out that he

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also put money, you know, the bill up for Jeffrey,

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we reconnected anything else? Epstein. Back in the nineties and

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early two thousands, Jeffrey and I did stuff all the time.

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We were much closer to him, but then indiscernible, you know,

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just got indiscernible redacted. Is there any communication via email

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that would have been that you had with Jeffrey that

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would help us out? Epstein, Well, I might have the

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back and forth between him and I with about the

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videotape Richmond, Uh huh. Epstein, Yeah, that was forwarded to

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me from Bannon. Yeah, there's nothing else really, Like I said,

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most of the communication with us was, you know, telling

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me funny things or just keep them indiscernible with every

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cousin and things like that. So redacted, maybe you talked

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amongst your attorney if there is any communication that you

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guys have that might be helpful for us. Epstein, Yeah,

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of course, yeah, redacted. Do you know of anyone else

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that communicated with Jeffrey while he was in prison other

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than his attorneys? Epstein? While just redacted Richmond, I don't think,

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I mean, he doesn't know his social circle Epstein, Yeah, Richmond,

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so he doesn't know his friends or who he was

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in business with. Or anything along that line, and he's

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been shut down. I've tried to reach out to people

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in the estate. He wanted to have wrongful death suit

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for his brother, but the estate has the right. He

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doesn't have that right, and they shouldn't. They shouldn't reach

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out to him. Epstein. Yeah, and I'm not happy about

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the estate wouldn't give me that right to file a

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wrongful death suit because even if I did it that way,

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the money, whatever money it's going to bring. Look, it's

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a slam dun case for wrongful death redacted? Who was

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entitled to that money? Was it the estate? Epstein? It

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belonged to the estate? Redacted? And who was he gets

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cut off by Epstein, the trustee, the executives redacted? Who

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are they? Epstein? Redacted and redacted? Wait? What were the

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name Epstein? Redacted? Redacted? Can you spell the last name

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for me, mister Epstein, redacted? And who was the other person?

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Questions asked Epstein. It was redacted? Right, Richmond. I'm not sure.

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I think there's another executive as well, Epstein. There was

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a third one as an alternate Richmond, right, But I

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think Epstein cuts her off. Who was declined? Richmond? And

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doesn't want to be part of it. He didn't even

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know redacted. And who are these people Richmond, the estate

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executives Epstein, Well, redacted is long term Richmond an attorney Epstein,

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that was my brother's private attorney. So he's talking about

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Darren Endyke. He worked for Jeff for a long time

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and she's worked with them indiscernible redacted, I think was redacted.

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I don't think he's an attorney. I think he's like

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an accountant or something. He also paid indiscernible. And these

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people are entitled to all. So he's talking about Indike

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and con obviously question and these people are entitled to

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it all, Epstein. They're in control of the estate Richmond.

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It's whatever the trustees we don't know redacted, Okay, Epstein.

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I mean I believe that the trustees also when he

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you know, money on this day gets transferred off the

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trust and then the trust got you know it says

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what's to be done with it? And those guys I

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believe are under the trustee as well. Yeah, Now I

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don't know, Like I said, the wrongful death case, the

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wrongful death suit is that a slam dunk And I

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just want to point out if it was successful, there

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could have been more money in the pocket for the

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victims or for whatever, you know, if they're getting his money,

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but the executives, the executors chose not to do it.

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I question that, and I question because there's a deal

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coming in, because both redacted and redacted are being looked

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at and investigated, so they're rolling up all their sleeves.

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And from what I heard, they've also they've hired criminal

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defense attorneys for the case. So there's some deal coming in.

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It would be going for wrongful death if something indiscernible redacted, Okay. Well,

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if there's anything else, Epstein, Okay, you could always contact

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us by phone or whatever. Epstein, okay, redacted, and we

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will talk some more about that. Otherwise we'll look forward

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to that other email. Epstein. You have cards? Can I

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have your cards? Redacted? I don't think I actually have

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a card, Epstein. Well, if not, redacted, yeah, give it

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to me, Richmond. Yeah, you can go through me. Epstein, Okay, Okay, Richmond, Okay, redacted. Well,

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thank you for taking the time to talk to us.

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Mister Abstein, Well, pleasure might be the wrong wordad It's

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eleven forty am. On September twenty two, twenty twenty one,

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and we're ending the interview. This is Special Agent redacted.

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