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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty three, the nation was stunned by headlines

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<v Speaker 1>calling him the family feud killer. You see, Timothy Bleiefnick

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<v Speaker 1>had once taken part in a game show and smiled

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<v Speaker 1>on national television, joking that the biggest mistake he'd ever

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<v Speaker 1>made was saying I do at his wedding. Now, that

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<v Speaker 1>same husband stood accused of brutally murdering his wife, the

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<v Speaker 1>mother of his three children. And this is the story

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<v Speaker 1>of that case, a case that would turn a harmless

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<v Speaker 1>game show moment into a massive, abusive and true crime

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<v Speaker 1>red flag. This is the story of the family feud

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<v Speaker 1>Killer and the murder of Rebecca Bleefnick. My name's Ben, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim, a true

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<v Speaker 2>crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>The following intended your audience. If for whatever reason, you

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<v Speaker 1>hear a helicopter. There's one been like circling the area

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<v Speaker 1>for like the last half an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>It's searching for us.

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<v Speaker 1>It might be it might be the FBI has seen

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<v Speaker 1>our Google searches. They know what we research, and they

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<v Speaker 1>think you know what they're up to something They're on

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<v Speaker 1>to us.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly, Yeah, we've waited for quite some time, but at

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<v Speaker 2>this point it's like, Okay, we gotta we gotta get going.

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<v Speaker 2>And it does seem like it's gone quieter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it's starting to expand. Its search doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>know exactly where we are, just the area is going

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<v Speaker 1>to the outlying areas of that search. So I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're safe. A fingers crossed.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, the joys, the joys.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, gotta love it. Any audio interference can be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot noise pollution. It means quite the difference on just

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<v Speaker 1>the quality of a show. We try to make it

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<v Speaker 1>as best we can.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like living in a tiny home doesn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>help with that either.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true, but what.

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<v Speaker 2>We're a lot of the outside environment.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really true. But what does really help the actual

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<v Speaker 2>It sure does.

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<v Speaker 1>Just like Joline Maynard, Kim Klein, Marie Alaska, Martin Mesquez,

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<v Speaker 1>they all signed up this week on Patreon, So thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much, Dang.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, last week we had a giant list and

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<v Speaker 2>this is still pretty large. It is. It's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got some pretty cool people supporting the show.

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<v Speaker 2>We sure do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, did you like my pre lootings?

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<v Speaker 2>Real good? Actually, yeah, I'm quite impressed.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, we have an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>show today, the Family Feud Killer.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it's not real tay, because I have not

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<v Speaker 2>heard of this.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's not very old at all. And uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to post a little clip on social media

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<v Speaker 1>of this this guy, let's say, on the game show

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<v Speaker 1>Family Feud.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, But I just have to say okay, because in

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<v Speaker 2>our relationship we're like quite jokey. Yes, like I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>we probably we easily flip each other off more in

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<v Speaker 2>a day than we say, like I love you one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and ten percent. So if you were on this

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<v Speaker 2>game show and you were like said that, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if I would really like bad.

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<v Speaker 1>And I kay. But there's a difference between doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, with your spouse. In his case, he was

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<v Speaker 1>doing it on national TV when she wasn't even on

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<v Speaker 1>the game show.

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<v Speaker 2>He was there, I know. But even in public situations,

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<v Speaker 2>we still kind of joke sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>But usually with friends or private conversations, not on National television.

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<v Speaker 1>I get what you're saying, but it is still a

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<v Speaker 1>bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, yeah, I'd have to kind of see it.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm not saying that a joke like that

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<v Speaker 1>on national TV is necessarily a red flag on its

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<v Speaker 1>own or necessarily wrong, because do you're right? It could

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<v Speaker 1>be the relationship, but there is still a time and place,

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<v Speaker 1>and with his time and placement, it was definitely pushing

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<v Speaker 1>the boundaries. Let's say that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, there you go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well you ready to get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's hear about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Well, it takes place in Quincy, Illinois, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a quiet city along the Mississippi River where neighbors still

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<v Speaker 1>wave across the street. Everybody seemed to know Becky Bleefnick.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a nurse who stayed late after her shift,

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<v Speaker 1>the woman who remembered every patient's name, and the mom

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<v Speaker 1>who never missed a school pickup or a little league game.

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<v Speaker 1>At forty one, Rebecca or Becky Beef Beleefnick, she built

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<v Speaker 1>a steady life with a good job, three healthy boys,

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<v Speaker 1>and a home on Hampshire Street that overflowed with laughter, homework,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course, the clatter of dinner time. Chaos. I

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<v Speaker 1>can only imagine how chaotic that would be with having

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<v Speaker 1>three boys.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to just say too, I love the name

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<v Speaker 2>Quincy for a town. Oh my gosh, that is adorable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very quaint name.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so cute.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, her husband, Timothy Bleifnick, was outgoing and quick

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<v Speaker 1>with a joke and proud of his family. In twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he even landed on a national television program, appearing on

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<v Speaker 1>The infamous Family Feud alongside his brothers and parents. It

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<v Speaker 1>was the kind of small town moment that made you know,

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<v Speaker 1>local headlines. He came across on the show as witty

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<v Speaker 1>and charismatic, a guy who could make anyone laugh, and

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<v Speaker 1>together the two of them seemed like the picture of

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<v Speaker 1>perfect middle class happiness. A nurse and a real cycling

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<v Speaker 1>industry professional raising three boys in a close knit community

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<v Speaker 1>where crime was rare and scandal was even rarer. Their

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<v Speaker 1>home in Quincy was a place where people left, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the doors unlocked. They trusted their neighbors, and they greeted

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<v Speaker 1>each other by name at the grocery store even, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>recognizing people having those casual conversations and carrying on to

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<v Speaker 1>bump into the person you know. Violence was sure rare,

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<v Speaker 1>and it usually occurred elsewhere. But now Rebecca Apostle and

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<v Speaker 1>Timothy Blifnick, as they were first known, they first met

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<v Speaker 1>each other in university. They were two bright, ambitious students

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<v Speaker 1>going to Quincy University. She was warm, funny, and fiercely compassionate.

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<v Speaker 1>He was confident, charming and outgoing, the type of guy

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<v Speaker 1>who can make you a room full of strangers become

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<v Speaker 1>friends almost now after graduation. Life led them in different

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<v Speaker 1>directions for a few years, but eventually they found their

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<v Speaker 1>way back to each other, and by two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>nine they were married, and soon they bought a home

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<v Speaker 1>in Quincy, the same community where they had met, and

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<v Speaker 1>from there they began to build a life together. Becky

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<v Speaker 1>left her career at pharmaceutical sales to raise her children,

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<v Speaker 1>while Tim pursued his work at the recycling industry. Friends

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<v Speaker 1>described them as the perfect pair, two people who seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to have everything figured out. Their social media pages were,

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<v Speaker 1>of course filled with photos of family outings or barbecues

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<v Speaker 1>and smiling holiday portraits. They were also raising their three sons,

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<v Speaker 1>who were born close together in age, and because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they became the center of Becky's world. She

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<v Speaker 1>had always been nurturing by nature. When her boys were

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<v Speaker 1>old enough for school, that's when she decided to return

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<v Speaker 1>to the workforce and that nurturing part of her while

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<v Speaker 1>it reflected in who she truly was, because she went

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<v Speaker 1>back to school to become a nurse, a decision that

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<v Speaker 1>to her felt like a calling, and to others who

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<v Speaker 1>knew her best, this was Becky stepping into her purpose. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty nineteen, their marriage would be captured forever in

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<v Speaker 1>a moment that later felt surreal. That's when Tim and

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<v Speaker 1>some family members were selected to appear on the long

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<v Speaker 1>running game show Family Feud. On stage under the bright

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<v Speaker 1>studio lights, the host Steve Harvey turned to Tim and

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<v Speaker 1>asked the question, all right, Tim, we talked to one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred married people. What's the biggest mistake you made at

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<v Speaker 1>your wedding. Tim smiled and paused just long enough for

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic effect, and he replied, Honey, I love you, but

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<v Speaker 1>said I do so I do is apparently the biggest mistake. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>for clarity, if you do not know the show Family Feud,

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<v Speaker 1>they interview and pull one hundred people on the streets

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<v Speaker 1>and you're supposed to guess what the top answers would

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<v Speaker 1>be from what they said, So not what you necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>think it is, but what you think other people would say, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Being that the divorce reign and stuff is so high

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<v Speaker 2>that that might be an answer that's up there.

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<v Speaker 1>It might be, it might be. And like, honestly, in

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<v Speaker 1>the situation, like everyone started roaring with laughter and Steve Harvey, Harvey,

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<v Speaker 1>he has this infamous blank stare, which honestly they feed

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<v Speaker 1>into it on the show. They obviously ask leading questions

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<v Speaker 1>to get answers like that out of you, and his

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<v Speaker 1>reaction is supposed to feed the humor in the situation, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So he kind of gave that classic like are you

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<v Speaker 1>serious stare? And it also made this clip very memorable,

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<v Speaker 1>and Tim quickly added, not my mistake, not my mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>I love my wife. I'm gonna get in trouble for that,

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<v Speaker 1>aren't I. So he was clarifying not his mistake, but

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<v Speaker 1>he believed that's how other people would have answered. Now

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, it was viewed as a harmless television

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<v Speaker 1>comedic moment, one of the thousands of jokes that passed

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<v Speaker 1>through that game show that they try and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get out of you to make it so humorous.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Sitting here, I'm like, that's not terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not terrible, which is why so many people laughed

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. Why it was funny at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's the hindsight that makes it a little bit interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, was that one of the answers? Though, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of want to know. Do you even know?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what? I didn't look up to see if

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of the answers or not. I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I do have the clip. I did watch

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<v Speaker 1>the clip, but I didn't see the actual result.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, I mean they weren't focusing on that, so

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<v Speaker 2>that's fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, years later, after the headlines and everything that

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<v Speaker 1>mom would resurface on screens across the country. Millions watched

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<v Speaker 1>that same clip, no longer with the amusement that they

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<v Speaker 1>once had, but instead with disbelief, calling it chilling foreshadowing

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<v Speaker 1>of what was to come. And they could be right,

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<v Speaker 1>but they could have also just been that an innocent joke. Regardless,

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<v Speaker 1>the story still goes on now. At the time, their

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<v Speaker 1>family seemed stable, comfortable, even and ordinary. Becky was building

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<v Speaker 1>her nursing career, volunteering for animal rescues, and earning respect

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<v Speaker 1>from patients and coworkers alike. Tim continued his career and

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<v Speaker 1>was seen by many as an active, involved father. Together

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<v Speaker 1>they looked like a family in motion, you know, busy, imperfect, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but safe and together. The turning point in their marriage, though, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't sudden. Instead, it was more slow and quiet.

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<v Speaker 1>Small disagreements eventually grew into something sharp and unrelenting. Friends

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<v Speaker 1>would later say that they could see it in Becky's posture,

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<v Speaker 1>in the way she began choosing her words carefully when

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<v Speaker 1>Tim was around. To many, they were still a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>picture of a family life. But when you looked a

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<v Speaker 1>little closer, there were those signs, those things that had

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<v Speaker 1>begun to change. When Becky returned to school to become

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<v Speaker 1>but it left marks all the same. Becky told her

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<v Speaker 1>But of course for every outburst, Tim had an explanation.

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<v Speaker 1>He put all the blame back on her and instead

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<v Speaker 1>In September of twenty twenty one, she texted her sister

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<v Speaker 1>haunting pieces of evidence in this case. Quote, if something

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<v Speaker 1>ever happens to me, please make sure the number one

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<v Speaker 1>person of interest is tim Holy shit. She followed it

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<v Speaker 1>up with another one, saying, quote, I'm putting this in

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<v Speaker 2>That is actually terrifying.

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<v Speaker 1>That speaks volumes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean it's one thing to have arguments

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<v Speaker 1>Level, isn't it. So what do you say when you

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<v Speaker 2>Right? I think you say that they need to leave.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's kind of what she did. She did the

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<v Speaker 1>best she could, and she told Becky to be careful,

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to someone, reach out to maybe a domestic

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<v Speaker 1>violence group. But Becky, like so many others in her position,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of downplayed it. The next day. Yeah, their marriage

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<v Speaker 1>continued its slow decline. Becky's career flourished, and Blessing Hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>where she worked in the emergency department. At home though

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<v Speaker 1>she faced emotional exhaustion. She was sleeping less, eating less,

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<v Speaker 1>and confiding to close friends that she was doing everything alone.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim meanwhile resented her and continued to abuse and control

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<v Speaker 1>the situation. When she came home late from shifts, for example,

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<v Speaker 1>he would accuse her of neglecting her family, and by

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<v Speaker 1>February of twenty twenty one, Tim Bliefnick had filed for divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>and now their marriage became a war fought on paper.

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<v Speaker 1>Their issues were typical things like money, property, there are

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<v Speaker 1>three boys, and who lived where? Who picked them up

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<v Speaker 1>from school? Who got the house on Kentucky Road, all

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<v Speaker 1>this sort of stuff. But beneath those logistical battles was

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<v Speaker 1>something heavier, that control. Becky wanted freedom, but Tim wanted order.

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<v Speaker 1>It even reached a boiling point when eventually they both

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<v Speaker 1>even filed restraining orders against each other. Tim first accused

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<v Speaker 1>Becky of stalking and harassing, even producing a cell phone

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<v Speaker 1>video of an argument at a parent teacher night as proof.

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<v Speaker 1>The jud Wish denied his request, though, but Becky fought back,

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<v Speaker 1>and she filed her own petition soon after, alleging that

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<v Speaker 1>Tim had entered her home without permission and had repeatedly

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<v Speaker 1>falsified interactions between the two of them. The judge, though,

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<v Speaker 1>denied hers as well. In the end, the only agreement

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<v Speaker 1>the court made was that they must stay away from

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<v Speaker 1>each other's homes unless they were exchanging the children. Even

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<v Speaker 1>those boundaries in place, though well, Becky still she still

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<v Speaker 1>had fear and it was still growing. Tim, you see,

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<v Speaker 1>was in possession of a nine millimeter handgun, a gift

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<v Speaker 1>she'd actually once given him when things were still good.

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<v Speaker 1>The gun, though, was originally hers, and she'd actually asked

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<v Speaker 1>for it back in the separation, and Tim refused to

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<v Speaker 1>return it. The judge, even in the divorce filings, ordered

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<v Speaker 1>him to return it, but he never did. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 1>the gun was still in her name that he was

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<v Speaker 1>in possession of.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Regardless, Becky did her best pick things back up and

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<v Speaker 1>keep it normal. She worked long shifts at the Blessing Hospital,

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<v Speaker 1>picked up extra hours when she could, you know, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to get that extra income and support her boys. She

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<v Speaker 1>was even nominated for the Daisy Award, an international honor

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<v Speaker 1>given to nurses for extraordinary care. And this was even

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<v Speaker 1>in the chaos of all this divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my, okay, because I have kind of thoughts. She

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<v Speaker 2>seems like a saint of sorts.

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<v Speaker 1>One hundred percent she does. Her coworkers adored her friend

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<v Speaker 1>said she could turn a twelve hour er shift into

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<v Speaker 1>a series of jokes and stories. She was the nurse

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<v Speaker 1>who stayed late for patients who had no family, the

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<v Speaker 1>woman who brought baked goods for her kid's school event.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a mother who showed up no matter how

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<v Speaker 1>exhausted she was. She was quite literally superwoman.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh. Well, yeah, she sounds.

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<v Speaker 1>Incredible, definitely, But beneath all that surface, she was scared.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just have to say too, because being able

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<v Speaker 2>to be that awesome when you have that much personal

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<v Speaker 2>shit going on that, you know, it makes it seem

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<v Speaker 2>even more like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's incredible that she was able to help other

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<v Speaker 2>When she herself couldn't need some help, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. By late twenty twenty two, her divorce was still

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<v Speaker 1>dragging through the courts, and Tim was becoming a little

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<v Speaker 1>more unpredictable. He seemed to know things he shouldn't, where

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<v Speaker 1>she'd gone or who she'd seen. Sometimes there seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>be evidence that someone had been near the house She

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<v Speaker 1>told her sister about hearing noises outside late at night,

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<v Speaker 1>her motion lights even flicking on outside without cause. And

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<v Speaker 1>then Becky even confided in her sister something chilling, she

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<v Speaker 1>thought someone was watching her. And now around this same time,

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<v Speaker 1>she had actually started dating again. Friends described her new

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<v Speaker 1>relationship as light and easy, the first bit of happiness

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<v Speaker 1>that she'd really had in years for herself, but for

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Well, it was confirmation that he had lost all

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<v Speaker 1>control of that relationship. As the date of the divorce

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<v Speaker 1>trial approached, tensions reached the breaking point. Becky was hopeful

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<v Speaker 1>it would finally end, that she could close a chapter

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<v Speaker 1>and move forward in her life. But by early February

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty twenty three, Quincy, Illinois, while it was still

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<v Speaker 1>deep in the quiet of winter, snow crusted the edges

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<v Speaker 1>of driveways, and nights dropped below freezing, with Becky just

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<v Speaker 1>feeling uneasy. For weeks, she'd been hearing those things, faint

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<v Speaker 1>noises outside her house, you know, maybe the soft crunches

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<v Speaker 1>of footsteps that stopped when she listened too closely, And

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes her dog would even bark at the window, but

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<v Speaker 1>there'd be no one there. Becky told Sarah she was

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<v Speaker 1>probably just on edge that the divorce said left her paranoid,

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<v Speaker 1>but then came Valentine's Day. That evening on February fourteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, Becky's home on Kentucky Road appeared ordinary

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<v Speaker 1>from the outside, but her neighbor, Taylor Heman, caught something

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<v Speaker 1>strange on the security camera mounted alongside his house. At

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<v Speaker 1>around one oh five am, a figure appeared in the frame,

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<v Speaker 1>a lone person walking down the driveway towards the back

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<v Speaker 1>of Becky's house. The cameras infra red light washed them

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<v Speaker 1>in pale gray and their features were impossible to make out.

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<v Speaker 1>Forty eight minutes later, the same figure returned, walking back

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<v Speaker 1>in the opposite direction. When Taylor reviewed the footage, she

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<v Speaker 1>immediately texted Becky. He told her what the camera had

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<v Speaker 1>picked up and asked if she'd noticed anything strange. Becky, however,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't respond until the next morning and text back, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't see anything, but I did hear voices in my backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>My motion light came on. It scared me.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. I was worried that she wasn't gonna text back.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he got a text back.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, like I mean that she was, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not alive or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, at the time, they brushed it off as

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<v Speaker 1>just a prowler, maybe someone checking for unlocked cars looking

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<v Speaker 1>to steal something. Right, that same camera had actually recorded

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<v Speaker 1>what appeared to be the same figure a week earlier

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<v Speaker 1>doing almost the exact same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's that's too unsettling.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. Now, video footage from an nearby home and

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<v Speaker 1>from the Quincy bus depot just a few blocks away

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<v Speaker 1>would later also show that a cyclist was heading towards

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<v Speaker 1>Becky's neighborhood just minutes before that person appeared on that

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<v Speaker 1>security footage in the driveway. Now that bike had no

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<v Speaker 1>reflectors on it either. Forensic data would also later show,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, after an investigation ensued, that on that same

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<v Speaker 1>Valentine's night, Becky's neighbor, you know, the same time that

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<v Speaker 1>the neighbor's camera picked up the site, Tim had made

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<v Speaker 1>over two hundred online searches for a very specific license

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<v Speaker 1>plate number and VIN number. Now that plate and VIN

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<v Speaker 1>number belonged to a truck that was parked in Benky's

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, what a complete creeper. Yeah, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>one that initially filed for divorce, So what the hell

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<v Speaker 2>does he think was going to happen that she wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>move on?

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<v Speaker 1>No kidding, right, So it seems as though Tim had

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<v Speaker 1>biked to Becky's house that night, seen the vehicle, written

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<v Speaker 1>down the details, gone back home and looked them up.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Becky, of course, never knew about those searches. All

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<v Speaker 1>she knew was that she couldn't shake the feeling that

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<v Speaker 1>she was being watched. The nights that followed were quiet,

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<v Speaker 1>no more movement on the camera, no strange noises outside,

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<v Speaker 1>and no reason to believe the tension would escalate. From there.

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<v Speaker 1>She focused on work, herself, the kids, probably assuming that

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<v Speaker 1>Then it was February twenty third, twenty twenty three. Becky's

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<v Speaker 1>day was just like any other. Her three boys, aged twelve, ten,

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<v Speaker 1>and five, were staying with their father. Parts of the

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<v Speaker 1>shared custody agreement that forced her and Tim to remain

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<v Speaker 1>still entangled, dropping him off, taking him up back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>So tonight Becky was alone in her two story home

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<v Speaker 1>on Kentucky Road outside the town of Quincy, slept beneath

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<v Speaker 1>the heavy February chill and sometime after midnight, a dark

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<v Speaker 1>figure appeared near the side of Becky's home. A lawn

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<v Speaker 1>chair had been drugged to her patio and placed beneath

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<v Speaker 1>the window screen was pried loose and the latch inside

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<v Speaker 1>snapped cleanly off, as if almost by practice force. Investigators

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<v Speaker 1>later reconstructed what happened next from evidence left through the house.

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<v Speaker 1>The intruder climbed onto the chair, forced open the window

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<v Speaker 1>of the crowbar, and slipped inside. No lights were turned on.

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<v Speaker 1>The intruder moved through the hallway towards Becky's bedroom with

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<v Speaker 1>Becky managed to dial nine to one one. Dispatch logs

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<v Speaker 1>a few seconds before it cut off. Police would later

421
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<v Speaker 1>trace it, but it was too late. What happened inside

422
00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:49.880
<v Speaker 1>that house was brutal. Becky was startled awake just after

423
00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:54.400
<v Speaker 1>one am by this intruder holding the gun. Now she

424
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<v Speaker 1>ran from her bedroom towards the bathroom at the end

425
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<v Speaker 1>of the hall, but she was followed and bullets tore

426
00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:03.200
<v Speaker 1>through the air of that home as she ran for

427
00:23:03.279 --> 00:23:06.599
<v Speaker 1>cover in her tiled bathroom. Some of the bullets struck

428
00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:10.160
<v Speaker 1>the walls in the cabinets, but fourteen bullets in total

429
00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:14.920
<v Speaker 1>hit Becky that night. Holy shit, none of them were

430
00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:19.000
<v Speaker 1>instantly fatal. Forensic pathologist later said that she was conscious

431
00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:23.279
<v Speaker 1>for every agonizing moment, bleeding out on the cold tile floor.

432
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<v Speaker 1>Her last minutes alive were spent laying there in extreme pain.

433
00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:32.519
<v Speaker 1>Blood pooled beneath her body, splattered up the shower curtain,

434
00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:35.319
<v Speaker 1>and streaked along the baseboards as the gunmen stood over

435
00:23:35.359 --> 00:23:39.440
<v Speaker 1>her and fired the final shots while she was already down.

436
00:23:40.960 --> 00:23:44.640
<v Speaker 1>When it was over, he left the bathroom, stepping carefully

437
00:23:44.680 --> 00:23:48.640
<v Speaker 1>to avoid tracking any blood across the floor. The intruder

438
00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:51.519
<v Speaker 1>exited the same way they came through, through the upstairs window,

439
00:23:51.759 --> 00:23:54.480
<v Speaker 1>lowering themselves back onto the lawn chair, and left no

440
00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:57.960
<v Speaker 1>fingerprints on the windowsill, only a faint shoe impression in

441
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<v Speaker 1>the dirt below.

442
00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:01.200
<v Speaker 2>That is really fucked up.

443
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:02.799
<v Speaker 1>Then they disappeared in the night.

444
00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay, Well, I mean, we all know who it is,

445
00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:11.240
<v Speaker 2>so it just makes it like even more messed up.

446
00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:12.559
<v Speaker 1>Do we know who it is?

447
00:24:13.519 --> 00:24:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I do?

448
00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, just making sure. Well, I think I'm just just

449
00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:18.960
<v Speaker 1>asking questions, that's all.

450
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<v Speaker 2>I mean. Gosh, oh, it just makes it so much

451
00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:26.279
<v Speaker 2>worse that someone can do this too, to someone who,

452
00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:29.839
<v Speaker 2>like you know, is a mom and has these boys

453
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:31.400
<v Speaker 2>that you know need her.

454
00:24:31.839 --> 00:24:35.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well and this is someone who well we know

455
00:24:35.559 --> 00:24:37.960
<v Speaker 1>who it is. It's obvious I was just throwing questions. Yeah,

456
00:24:37.920 --> 00:24:40.680
<v Speaker 1>I was just throwing shade, just confusing you, just trying

457
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<v Speaker 1>to keep you off theos.

458
00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:45.200
<v Speaker 2>Shares these boys with her. He's taking away their mind.

459
00:24:46.039 --> 00:24:49.680
<v Speaker 1>He built a family with her. They built this family together,

460
00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:52.119
<v Speaker 1>they said, I do they live together. This is someone

461
00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:58.319
<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to trust, trust the most, and father children with. Yeah,

462
00:24:58.319 --> 00:24:59.599
<v Speaker 1>and they're capable of this.

463
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<v Speaker 2>Honestly makes you never really want to get married in

464
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<v Speaker 2>a way because it's so terrifying.

465
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm glad we're already married then, because you wouldn't

466
00:25:07.279 --> 00:25:09.640
<v Speaker 1>be saying I do anymore. Apparently you regret that.

467
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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't regret it at all. It's just so

468
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.599
<v Speaker 2>it's so odd to think that I don't know, getting

469
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<v Speaker 2>married because you we hear so many cases like this

470
00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:22.279
<v Speaker 2>is honestly slightly putting you at risk in a way.

471
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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's it's well, it's not funny, it's ironic because

472
00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:29.079
<v Speaker 1>you're kind of going in the direction that a lot

473
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:31.599
<v Speaker 1>of people are suspicious of Tim being by saying he

474
00:25:31.720 --> 00:25:36.599
<v Speaker 1>regrets I do on the Family Feud show. How involved

475
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:40.720
<v Speaker 1>was he in the marriage, because clearly he wasn't. Maybe

476
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:43.279
<v Speaker 1>he didn't actually want to get married. So you're going

477
00:25:43.279 --> 00:25:45.960
<v Speaker 1>down that same psychological rabbit hole that people are suspecting

478
00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:48.200
<v Speaker 1>he could have been in when he was on the

479
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<v Speaker 1>game show.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm just saying it's scary because because you're supposed

481
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:56.400
<v Speaker 2>can kill you, which is so messed up.

482
00:25:56.599 --> 00:25:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you're on the other side of the reason, but

483
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>it's the same psycho logical rabbit hole of that regret,

484
00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.039
<v Speaker 1>of that you know, resistance to take the plunge to say,

485
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:10.240
<v Speaker 1>there's many reasons yours would be. What you're saying is

486
00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:13.720
<v Speaker 1>more defensive and protective. His are a little bit different,

487
00:26:13.759 --> 00:26:17.640
<v Speaker 1>but it's the same same sort of path psychologically of

488
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:20.559
<v Speaker 1>regret thinking that you know what I wish I didn't

489
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<v Speaker 1>say I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. I mean, I just have to for the record,

491
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:26.279
<v Speaker 2>just in case anything ever to happen. I don't regret

492
00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:27.200
<v Speaker 2>marrying Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>You sure about that.

494
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure.

495
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:31.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to send a couple of texts tonight to

496
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<v Speaker 1>some people just to make sure I have some traces.

497
00:26:35.680 --> 00:26:39.599
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, though, like just being Devil's advocate is people, could,

498
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:42.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, set other people up kind of like she could,

499
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:44.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the heat of the moment, send those

500
00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.400
<v Speaker 2>and them not really be true because people do send

501
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.279
<v Speaker 2>things right when they don't necessarily mean and they're just

502
00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:53.359
<v Speaker 2>angry or whatever.

503
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:55.440
<v Speaker 1>Could be manipulation, false evidence.

504
00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, now we very much so know, but I don't

505
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<v Speaker 2>know or like, I'm just saying she could have set

506
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:03.400
<v Speaker 2>him up in a way, but I don't think she

507
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:04.680
<v Speaker 2>did it all, but someone could.

508
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:08.559
<v Speaker 1>It's in a situation it's possible for someone to do

509
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:11.319
<v Speaker 1>that in a manipulative manner, is what you're saying. Yes,

510
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>definitely Becky didn't do it in the manipulated matter. No,

511
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.480
<v Speaker 1>And when Dawn broke, Becky's house was still in silent,

512
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:21.279
<v Speaker 1>her phone lay in the bathroom floor, half hidden by

513
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:23.440
<v Speaker 1>the door, and her boys were well, they were across

514
00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:24.519
<v Speaker 1>town sleeping at their father's.

515
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:27.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I'm like her boys were not in that house.

516
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, No, Tim had the boys. They were unaware that

517
00:27:30.720 --> 00:27:34.160
<v Speaker 1>their mother was already dead. At three point thirty pm

518
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:37.319
<v Speaker 1>that day, Becky's father arrived at her home after she

519
00:27:37.359 --> 00:27:40.200
<v Speaker 1>failed to pick the kids up from school. The front

520
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:41.920
<v Speaker 1>door was locked, but he had a spare key, so

521
00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:45.599
<v Speaker 1>he let himself in and upstairs he found the horrific

522
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:49.240
<v Speaker 1>scene of his daughter laying dead on the bathroom floor,

523
00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:52.640
<v Speaker 1>something no father should ever have to see, and he

524
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 1>immediately dialed nine one one.

525
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:57.160
<v Speaker 2>That would break him. That is horrible.

526
00:27:58.359 --> 00:28:01.240
<v Speaker 1>When the first officer arrived at one seven three to

527
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:05.359
<v Speaker 1>one Kentucky Road, they were met with Becky's father, pale, shaking,

528
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:08.160
<v Speaker 1>and still in shock. He assumed he'd find his daughter

529
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:12.160
<v Speaker 1>had simply fallen ill or gotten called into work or something,

530
00:28:13.039 --> 00:28:16.599
<v Speaker 1>but that wasn't the case. Detective stepped into a scene

531
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 1>that felt both chaotic and eerily still. Upstairs, the narrow

532
00:28:20.799 --> 00:28:24.279
<v Speaker 1>hallway was littered with spent nine millimeter shell casings, their

533
00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:28.559
<v Speaker 1>brass surface gleaming under the camera flashes. Becky's body lay

534
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:31.640
<v Speaker 1>inside the bathroom door, just slumped up against the tub.

535
00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Blood had sprayed across the wall and pooled alongside the tiles.

536
00:28:36.319 --> 00:28:39.640
<v Speaker 1>Her phone was found nearby. Its screen was cracked, and

537
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>the nine one one call that had connected briefly at

538
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:46.400
<v Speaker 1>one eleven Am. Now made sense as she tried to

539
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:49.240
<v Speaker 1>reach out for help in her final moments, but was

540
00:28:49.359 --> 00:28:54.599
<v Speaker 1>unable to speak. Crime scene technicians documented every inch of

541
00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:57.519
<v Speaker 1>that house. A broken window latch on the second floor

542
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:01.079
<v Speaker 1>immediately stood out, as did the patio chin beneath it,

543
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>dragged from the yard to create a makeshift ladder. On

544
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the ground below, they found a partial shoe imprint in

545
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:11.279
<v Speaker 1>the soil, faint but distinct enough to suggest an athletic tread. Downstairs,

546
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 1>nothing was disturbed. There was no sign of a robbery,

547
00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:16.400
<v Speaker 1>no missing valuables, no forced entry other than the window.

548
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:20.039
<v Speaker 1>It was that whoever had done this knew how to

549
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:23.920
<v Speaker 1>get in, it seemed, and knew how to find Becky inside.

550
00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:27.279
<v Speaker 1>The police department, detectives from Adams County Major K Squad

551
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>were already comparing notes. The intruder had entered through an

552
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:35.279
<v Speaker 1>upstairs windows in the child's bedroom. It was odd unless

553
00:29:35.279 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 1>he knew exactly which window would lead to an empty

554
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>room that night. Becky's three sons were at their fathers

555
00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:44.640
<v Speaker 1>that night. She was alone, so whoever broke in seemed

556
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:48.559
<v Speaker 1>to know that. Neighbors began recalling details too. One mentioned

557
00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:51.240
<v Speaker 1>the motion light flicking on in the early hour mornings,

558
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.039
<v Speaker 1>and another so they'd heard what sounded like faint pomps

559
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>but thought it was a car backfiring in the cold.

560
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Then came a very crucial detail. The already mentioned security

561
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:05.920
<v Speaker 1>camera footag from Becky's neighbor, just from a week before

562
00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>the same figure was now seen on camera again. That

563
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:13.359
<v Speaker 1>combined with the timeline from Becky's missing nine one one call,

564
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:17.839
<v Speaker 1>it gave investigators a good time frame and an unidentified suspect.

565
00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>Reporters descended on the town of Quincy. The murder of

566
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.640
<v Speaker 1>a well beloved e R nurse and mother of three

567
00:30:24.960 --> 00:30:27.839
<v Speaker 1>in a quiet Midwestern town, and her connection to a

568
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:32.559
<v Speaker 1>former family feud contestant too quickly drew national headlines. News

569
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.920
<v Speaker 1>outlets replayed the clip of Tim's now infamous answer, what's

570
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:39.400
<v Speaker 1>the biggest mistake you made at your wedding? Honey? I

571
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.599
<v Speaker 1>love you, but said I do were played over and

572
00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>over on news outlets. It had been a throwaway joke

573
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen but now in the shadow of his wife's murder,

574
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:54.079
<v Speaker 1>it felt more sinister. As detectives processed evidence from the scene,

575
00:30:54.240 --> 00:30:58.000
<v Speaker 1>they also found something else, something strange. It was small

576
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:01.559
<v Speaker 1>fragments of an all de grocery bag near the top

577
00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>of the stairs, and throughout it looked torn, you know,

578
00:31:04.960 --> 00:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>with small traces of a residue even on them. Meanwhile,

579
00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:14.319
<v Speaker 1>Becky's friends and colleagues gathered at Blessing Hospital to grieve.

580
00:31:15.039 --> 00:31:18.359
<v Speaker 1>Coworkers described her as the light of the er, and

581
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 1>her sister Sarah posted a message online saying Becky was

582
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.559
<v Speaker 1>the kindest, most selfless person I've ever known. She loved

583
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.519
<v Speaker 1>her boys more than anything. She should still be here.

584
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Within hours, a GoFundMe went live to support her children

585
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>in the aftermath, and it quickly surpassed one hundred thousand dollars.

586
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:41.799
<v Speaker 1>But while the public mourned, investigators were still zeroing in

587
00:31:41.839 --> 00:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>on the person who seemed to fit every piece of

588
00:31:44.440 --> 00:31:48.480
<v Speaker 1>the puzzle at hand. Within twenty four hours of the murder,

589
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:52.039
<v Speaker 1>detectives with the Adams County Major k Squad began piecing

590
00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.359
<v Speaker 1>together what had happened inside Becky's house. The entry point,

591
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:58.160
<v Speaker 1>the window, the children being away, the precise knowledge of

592
00:31:58.440 --> 00:32:01.480
<v Speaker 1>when Becky would be alone at all. It all suggested familiarity,

593
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>and investigators started with the people closest to her friends, family,

594
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:09.759
<v Speaker 1>and coworkers. Then they circled back to the one person

595
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 1>whose name was under the microscope since day one, Tim Bleefnik.

596
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just the divorce or the restraining order, or

597
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:21.079
<v Speaker 1>the fact that Becky had once told her sister, you know,

598
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.240
<v Speaker 1>if something happens to me, make sure he's interests person

599
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>number one. It was the timing too. Their custody hearing

600
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>was scheduled for the week following her death, and on paper,

601
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Tim had everything to lose in that legal battle.

602
00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh seriously, yes.

603
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:41.559
<v Speaker 1>So detectives began quietly monitoring his movements as hours passed,

604
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.359
<v Speaker 1>trying to get you know, not give away their suspicions

605
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:48.799
<v Speaker 1>before they found anything. They pulled the footage from neighborhood cameras, doorbells,

606
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, business fronts and parking lots, and in one

607
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.480
<v Speaker 1>clip captured at around twelve forty five am on the

608
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 1>night of the murder, they spotted something A cyclist riding

609
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.119
<v Speaker 1>down the dark, empty streets near Kentucky Road, no reflectors,

610
00:33:02.119 --> 00:33:05.279
<v Speaker 1>no visible lights, just a shadow on two wheels cutting

611
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.559
<v Speaker 1>through the cold, Quincy night. Another camera, just blocks from

612
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Tim's rental home on Hampshire Street caught what appeared to

613
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:15.319
<v Speaker 1>be the same bike, returning roughly forty eight minutes later

614
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:20.079
<v Speaker 1>at around one thirty am, minutes after Becky failed her

615
00:33:20.160 --> 00:33:24.160
<v Speaker 1>nine on one call on March first, twenty twenty three,

616
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:29.160
<v Speaker 1>police then executed a search warrant at Timbleefnick's home. Officers

617
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:32.640
<v Speaker 1>in tactical vests swarmed the property, combing through garages and

618
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:36.039
<v Speaker 1>the carrying boxes out with potential evidence. In unmarked vehicles

619
00:33:36.200 --> 00:33:39.759
<v Speaker 1>and inside the house, investigators found more than they expected.

620
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Among the item sees were a crowbar showing small chips

621
00:33:44.000 --> 00:33:46.839
<v Speaker 1>of paint and wood consistent with the broken window frame

622
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.480
<v Speaker 1>at Becky's home, all de grocery bags matching the torn

623
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:54.960
<v Speaker 1>fragments recovered from her staircase, and nine millimeter shell casings

624
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.720
<v Speaker 1>from Tim's basement that forensic experts later confirmed were fired

625
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:03.759
<v Speaker 1>from the same weapon used in Becky's murder. Now, for clarification,

626
00:34:04.240 --> 00:34:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Tim was he was avid with firearms, let's put it

627
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.239
<v Speaker 1>that way. So the shell casings they found in his

628
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.639
<v Speaker 1>home were not from the murder scene. They were collected

629
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>shells from, you know, going out to a firing range

630
00:34:16.559 --> 00:34:20.360
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. But they were fired from that gun, okay,

631
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<v Speaker 1>And they can compare those with the ones found at

632
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.599
<v Speaker 1>the scene, and it was confirmed they're from the same weapon.

633
00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.639
<v Speaker 1>They also confiscated Tim's phone, laptop, and external hard drives,

634
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:35.519
<v Speaker 1>and when digital forensic experts came through the data, the

635
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.760
<v Speaker 1>picture grew darker. In the weeks leading to Becky's death,

636
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Tim had made a series of online searches that read

637
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.199
<v Speaker 1>like a blueprint for what was to come, things like

638
00:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.880
<v Speaker 1>how to open my door with a crowbar, how to

639
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:50.920
<v Speaker 1>make a homemade pistol silencer, how to clean gunpowder off

640
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>your hands.

641
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.000
<v Speaker 2>So he was okay, he was probably using that bag

642
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:56.880
<v Speaker 2>as some sort of a silencer.

643
00:34:56.960 --> 00:34:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Then I'm I assuming we get into it, but yes,

644
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:00.559
<v Speaker 1>because I.

645
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.039
<v Speaker 2>Was like so confused of these fragments all over the place.

646
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:06.719
<v Speaker 1>But that is the leading theory. Yes. There were also

647
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:09.599
<v Speaker 1>the searches that were related to Becky's boyfriend the license

648
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:12.599
<v Speaker 1>plate in the fin number searches, and investigators later determined

649
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:14.800
<v Speaker 1>that he had ran those on February fourteenth, the same

650
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.280
<v Speaker 1>night the Prowler was caught outside Becky's home on camera.

651
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.719
<v Speaker 1>Now more evidence came from Tim's fitness tracker. Data from

652
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.960
<v Speaker 1>his whoop device, which is like a wear role tracker,

653
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:26.880
<v Speaker 1>came to kind of like a smartphone sort of or

654
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 1>smart watch sort of thing. Yep, it showed a sudden

655
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and unexplained gap in activity the night of February twenty

656
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:36.599
<v Speaker 1>second to twenty third, no recorded heart rate, no sleeplog,

657
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:40.039
<v Speaker 1>no movement data, when all other days it was all present.

658
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.199
<v Speaker 1>So it seems like he'd taken it off for going there.

659
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:47.639
<v Speaker 2>This guy is just a complete idiot that he thought

660
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.039
<v Speaker 2>he could get away with this, No kidding, Just sitting

661
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.559
<v Speaker 2>here listening to this all he like, are you fricking

662
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:53.039
<v Speaker 2>kidding me?

663
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Now. Forensics also revealed the residue found on the

664
00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:00.719
<v Speaker 1>Aldie bag was sweat and they had recovered a faint

665
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 1>trace of DNA from it. Now, it was not a

666
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:08.400
<v Speaker 1>full match, but statistically it was consistent with Tim's profile.

667
00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Prosecutors believe that Tim had fired the gun through the

668
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:14.280
<v Speaker 1>bag that night, either to muffle the sound like a

669
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:18.079
<v Speaker 1>makeshift silencer, as his search suggested, or to try and

670
00:36:18.159 --> 00:36:20.320
<v Speaker 1>catch shell casings before they hit the floor.

671
00:36:21.239 --> 00:36:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I see.

672
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.679
<v Speaker 1>One reason or another. They believe it was used with

673
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:29.880
<v Speaker 1>the weapon. Though they also examined sample evidence from Becky's

674
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:33.840
<v Speaker 1>fingernails and they discovered another partial DNA sample under those fingernails.

675
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.039
<v Speaker 1>It was degraded mixed with her own blood. But experts

676
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.880
<v Speaker 1>said that Tim or a male relative on his father's

677
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:44.119
<v Speaker 1>side could not be excluded from the sample. So neither

678
00:36:44.199 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>DNA sample that they had taken was conclusive. But it

679
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:50.199
<v Speaker 1>was not. It wasn't able to.

680
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Rule him out right, which right there, Yes, all this

681
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:56.360
<v Speaker 2>other stuff is very leading.

682
00:36:56.559 --> 00:37:00.239
<v Speaker 1>It was enough to say it's possibly him. Yeah, it

683
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.360
<v Speaker 1>seems that there may have been a desperate attempt with

684
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:04.679
<v Speaker 1>that DNA sample found on her fingernails to show that

685
00:37:04.719 --> 00:37:07.360
<v Speaker 1>Becky had fought back in the seconds after she died,

686
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 1>one way or another. Now, eight nine millimeter casing shells

687
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>were found near Becky's body. Investigators compared those casings recovered

688
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:18.960
<v Speaker 1>from Tim's basement, which were you know, as he's a

689
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.920
<v Speaker 1>recreational shooter, and they were compared those ones to the

690
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:24.079
<v Speaker 1>ones found the crime scene under a microscope, and the

691
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:28.079
<v Speaker 1>markings on them from the firearm were identical, which means

692
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.079
<v Speaker 1>the same gun had fired both sets of rounds, the

693
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:35.880
<v Speaker 1>same gun Becky had once gifted Tim during their marriage, which.

694
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Was actually her gun.

695
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:39.519
<v Speaker 1>It was actually her own gun, a gun she tried

696
00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 1>to reclaim through the divorce. Filings, but he refused to return. Now,

697
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:47.840
<v Speaker 1>that gun, that firearm, that nine millimeter handgun, the murder

698
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:49.719
<v Speaker 1>weapon was never.

699
00:37:49.559 --> 00:37:51.840
<v Speaker 2>Found, Okay, of course not.

700
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.400
<v Speaker 1>And when detectives questioned Tim, he denied seeing the handgun

701
00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 1>in years. But he couldn't explain why the casing that weapon.

702
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Were in his Yeah, that makes no sense.

703
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, individually, each piece of evidence might have been circumstantial.

704
00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, DNA evidence, that doesn't rule him out. Shellcasings

705
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:12.079
<v Speaker 1>that sure were fired from the same weapon, but who

706
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.880
<v Speaker 1>knows the time gap in between. Sure, a guy on

707
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:18.599
<v Speaker 1>security camera. All this it was circumstantial evidence at best,

708
00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:23.679
<v Speaker 1>But together they formed a pattern that prosecutors described as inescapable.

709
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:27.079
<v Speaker 1>By the time officers moved in to arrest him on

710
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.719
<v Speaker 1>March thirteenth, twenty twenty three, the entire town of Quincy, Illinois,

711
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 1>was holding its breath. The sun had barely risen when

712
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:38.639
<v Speaker 1>unmarked cars rolled up outside Timbleefnek's rental brick apartment. Detectives

713
00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:41.840
<v Speaker 1>surrounded the property in silence, their radios crackling softly as

714
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:44.840
<v Speaker 1>they took position, and when the door finally opened to

715
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:47.960
<v Speaker 1>his home, Tim appeared in a sweatshirt and pajama pants,

716
00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:52.599
<v Speaker 1>disoriented but compliant, There was no struggle. He was cuffed

717
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:55.440
<v Speaker 1>on the porch, his head lowered, and escorted to an

718
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:59.360
<v Speaker 1>unmarked cruiser while neighbors watched from behind their curtains in

719
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:03.760
<v Speaker 1>their homes. Moments later, the Quincy Police Department released a

720
00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.880
<v Speaker 1>brief statement confirming the arrest of forty one year old

721
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Tim Bleefnick on charges of first degree murder and home

722
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:14.480
<v Speaker 1>invasion in the death of his estranged wife, Rebecca aka

723
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:21.639
<v Speaker 1>Becky Bleefnick, and the news spread like wildfire. Local headlines

724
00:39:21.639 --> 00:39:25.960
<v Speaker 1>were immediately followed by national coverage. Family feued contestant charged

725
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.760
<v Speaker 1>with wife's murder, they would say. Clips from his appearance

726
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.599
<v Speaker 1>in the game show also resurfaced once again within hours,

727
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:34.480
<v Speaker 1>and Tim was soon booked in the Adams County Jail

728
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.760
<v Speaker 1>and held without bond. His mugshot with his tired eyes

729
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:41.639
<v Speaker 1>and unshaven face with his overgrown hair, became the image

730
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 1>plastered on every single outlet alongside that headline. His attorney,

731
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 1>Casey Schnack, stepped into the spotlight that same afternoon. She

732
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:55.360
<v Speaker 1>described the case as entirely circumstantial and accused investigators of

733
00:39:55.360 --> 00:39:59.800
<v Speaker 1>tunnel vision, saying that Tim was devastated by Becky's death

734
00:40:00.239 --> 00:40:05.679
<v Speaker 1>and that he's cooperating fully maintaining his complete innocence. But prosecutors,

735
00:40:05.679 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, well, they were fully confident. Investigators

736
00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:12.719
<v Speaker 1>continued to shore up their case. Forensic analysis, double check

737
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.840
<v Speaker 1>DNA results, ballistic reports, cell phone data, all of it,

738
00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:21.119
<v Speaker 1>and now even a blue shwing bicycle without reflectors identical

739
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:23.039
<v Speaker 1>to the one seen on surveillance footage the night of

740
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:26.360
<v Speaker 1>the murder had been found less than half a block

741
00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:31.840
<v Speaker 1>from Tim's home, abandoned. No DNA conclusively tied him to it,

742
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.800
<v Speaker 1>but there was a fake Facebook account under the name

743
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:40.280
<v Speaker 1>John Smith that he had on his laptop, and it

744
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:43.800
<v Speaker 1>showed that he had recently viewed a post to purchase

745
00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:47.679
<v Speaker 1>that exact same bike for sale, or at least one

746
00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:49.920
<v Speaker 1>that looked exactly the same make and model.

747
00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:52.280
<v Speaker 2>My gosh, not surprising at all.

748
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 1>For Tim, the reality was sinking in fast. He was

749
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:59.239
<v Speaker 1>facing life in prison without parole. In his first phone call,

750
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:02.719
<v Speaker 1>even from jail, recorded by authorities, he told a family

751
00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>member quote, they're making a monster out of me, but

752
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I didn't do this. He's really really saying he's innocent. Still,

753
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:15.480
<v Speaker 1>investigators felt they built a case that spoke for itself.

754
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:19.559
<v Speaker 1>The trial of Timothy Bleefnik began on May twenty third,

755
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:23.559
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty three, and the Adam County Courthouse. The courtroom

756
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:26.119
<v Speaker 1>was packed with friends, reporters, and family members on both

757
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:30.079
<v Speaker 1>sides that sat shoulder to shoulder. A portrait of Becky

758
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:35.119
<v Speaker 1>was placed quietly near the prosecution table, her smile frozen

759
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:38.960
<v Speaker 1>in the soft light of the family picture. From the start,

760
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:42.159
<v Speaker 1>tension was palpable in the room. The prosecution, led by

761
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:44.960
<v Speaker 1>Josh Jones and Laura Keck, painted the picture of a

762
00:41:45.039 --> 00:41:50.320
<v Speaker 1>man consumed by control. In their opening statement, Jones told jurors, quote,

763
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.679
<v Speaker 1>he looked down at Becky, pointed the gun and pulled

764
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:57.000
<v Speaker 1>the trigger. It was blunt and deliberate and set the

765
00:41:57.039 --> 00:42:00.760
<v Speaker 1>tone for what was to come. The defense took different approach.

766
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:04.679
<v Speaker 1>Casey Snack, the same attorney who had represented tim during

767
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.239
<v Speaker 1>his divorce, stood at the podium and told jurors that

768
00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:10.599
<v Speaker 1>there was no proof, no gun, no fingerprints, no clear

769
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:16.000
<v Speaker 1>DNA quote. This case, she said, is dripping with sympathy

770
00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:22.800
<v Speaker 1>and entirely lacking in hard evidence. The prosecution began by

771
00:42:22.840 --> 00:42:25.960
<v Speaker 1>walking jurors through the timeline of the crime, photos of

772
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Becky's home were displayed on monitors. The pride open window,

773
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the narrow child bedroom where the intruder entered, the blood,

774
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:35.360
<v Speaker 1>the shell casings on the floor, all of it. Then

775
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:38.199
<v Speaker 1>came the evidence that had become the backbone of their case,

776
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:43.400
<v Speaker 1>the all d bag fragments. A forensic analysis testified the

777
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:45.639
<v Speaker 1>small bits of plastic found were consistent with the kind

778
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 1>of thin grocery bags found in Tim's home, and when magnified,

779
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.480
<v Speaker 1>burn patterns on the plastic suggested a firearm had been

780
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.679
<v Speaker 1>discharged through it. When the bag fragments were tested, the

781
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>DNA came back quote more likely than not end quote

782
00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:06.039
<v Speaker 1>to belong to Tim. His attorney countered immediately, saying everyone

783
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.039
<v Speaker 1>in Quincy has Aldie bags. She reminded the jury that

784
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Tim and Becky had even swamped grocery bags, supplies and

785
00:43:12.039 --> 00:43:14.519
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that, you know for kids, whether it's launch

786
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:18.400
<v Speaker 1>or who, who knows, and DNA transfer was not unusual.

787
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:23.800
<v Speaker 1>But next came to ballistic experts. She testified that the

788
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:26.440
<v Speaker 1>shellcasings found in Tim's basement matched those found at the

789
00:43:26.440 --> 00:43:30.440
<v Speaker 1>crime scene. Twenty seven casings from his home showed identical

790
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:35.480
<v Speaker 1>microscopic markings. Scrapes patterns, all of it identical to the

791
00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:39.000
<v Speaker 1>eight that were recovered from the scene. Quote each gun

792
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:43.079
<v Speaker 1>leaves a fingerprint. These were fired from the same weapon.

793
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.559
<v Speaker 1>But the defense argued its own opinion subject to human error.

794
00:43:49.599 --> 00:43:53.280
<v Speaker 1>She said, shaking her head. It's not science, it's speculation.

795
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:57.360
<v Speaker 1>When the prosecution turned to digital evidence, the courtroom grew still.

796
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:00.440
<v Speaker 1>On a projector screen, juror saw the list of search

797
00:44:00.519 --> 00:44:03.440
<v Speaker 1>terms recovered from Tim's phone. How to make a homemade

798
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:06.480
<v Speaker 1>pistol silencer, how to clean gunpowder off your hands, how

799
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.679
<v Speaker 1>to open my door with a crowbar. Each phrase appeared

800
00:44:09.719 --> 00:44:13.320
<v Speaker 1>in bold texts on the screen. Jones paused after reading

801
00:44:13.320 --> 00:44:16.559
<v Speaker 1>the last one out loud. This, he said, is not curiosity,

802
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:20.639
<v Speaker 1>This is preparation. The jury also heard about the license

803
00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:23.760
<v Speaker 1>plate searches, hundreds of them, and all linked to Becky's

804
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:28.519
<v Speaker 1>new boyfriend. The prosecutor suggested it wasn't jealousy but tracking instead.

805
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Friends and coworkers of Becky took the stand next, and

806
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:35.360
<v Speaker 1>they described her as loving, generous, and quietly terrified of

807
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:39.119
<v Speaker 1>her estranged husband. One friend said Becky had confided that

808
00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Tim's behavior was becoming unpredictable, and Becky's sister Sarah. She

809
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:47.239
<v Speaker 1>was the most emotional witness there was. Her voice trembled

810
00:44:47.239 --> 00:44:50.119
<v Speaker 1>as she read from the text messages Becky had sent

811
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:53.960
<v Speaker 1>her over a year earlier. Quote if something ever happens

812
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:56.000
<v Speaker 1>to me, please make sure the number one person of

813
00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:59.920
<v Speaker 1>interest is Tim end quote And the jury heard that,

814
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 1>sitting in silence shocked. The defense subjected calling that text

815
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:07.719
<v Speaker 1>girl talk and claimed it was an evidence of abuse

816
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:11.000
<v Speaker 1>or even danger. They claimed there was no photos of bruises,

817
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:14.039
<v Speaker 1>no police report, or documented violence, and that words don't

818
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:18.840
<v Speaker 1>make a man a murderer. But the prosecution wasn't relying

819
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.440
<v Speaker 1>on words alone. They had more to share, and they

820
00:45:22.480 --> 00:45:25.880
<v Speaker 1>revealed that on the morning Becky was killed, just hours

821
00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:29.079
<v Speaker 1>before anyone else knew she was dead, Tim had stopped

822
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:32.880
<v Speaker 1>by his father's home to drop off eight children's basketball hoop. Now,

823
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:37.440
<v Speaker 1>the prosecutors, they showed that this claimed his demeanor, his

824
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:41.360
<v Speaker 1>calm demeanor, his belief that the problem Becky was now

825
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:45.679
<v Speaker 1>taken care of. Now this is circumstantial at best. Sure

826
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:47.840
<v Speaker 1>he could have just bought in his kids a basketball hoop.

827
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:50.760
<v Speaker 1>But the most dramatic moment came when the jury learned

828
00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:55.719
<v Speaker 1>that Becky had planned to reveal something in court. So

829
00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:00.719
<v Speaker 1>you remember the upcoming custody hearing, the divorce hearing, and

830
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.400
<v Speaker 1>during that she intended to present witnesses alleging that Tim's father,

831
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:10.199
<v Speaker 1>Ray Beliefnik, had a history of perversion and abusing minor children.

832
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:13.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh man, now, okay.

833
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.719
<v Speaker 1>This is important. Ray denied the accusations, and he was

834
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>never charged with a crime, so we don't know if

835
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:23.880
<v Speaker 1>that is true or false. However, prosecutors argued that the

836
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:28.320
<v Speaker 1>possibility of such a testimony even taking place, regardless of

837
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:31.840
<v Speaker 1>truth or not, pushed him over the edge. He couldn't

838
00:46:31.960 --> 00:46:35.119
<v Speaker 1>risk the idea of potentially losing his kids and losing

839
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.920
<v Speaker 1>his children over this. Whether it was real or not,

840
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:42.079
<v Speaker 1>it presented a risk just the same, and that was

841
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the pushing point.

842
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:47.920
<v Speaker 2>I wonder how she had that information or felt like.

843
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.199
<v Speaker 1>That, you know, Yeah, I'm not sure. As I mentioned,

844
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:56.639
<v Speaker 1>there was no crime officially filed or charged, so I

845
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:59.199
<v Speaker 1>don't know what the evidence was and it never came

846
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:01.960
<v Speaker 1>to court either. Yeah, so I don't know what evidence,

847
00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:06.000
<v Speaker 1>what facts anything. Allegedly that's what she was going to

848
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:08.679
<v Speaker 1>talk about in court, Whether true or false, we do

849
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:09.079
<v Speaker 1>not know.

850
00:47:09.760 --> 00:47:13.360
<v Speaker 2>I get that a lot of this is like circumstantial

851
00:47:13.400 --> 00:47:17.199
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and kind of seems, you know, if they

852
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:19.960
<v Speaker 2>just had one piece of this, it wouldn't really be much.

853
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:22.599
<v Speaker 2>But the fact that they have so many, so much

854
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:26.400
<v Speaker 2>of it, it just really does paint like a full picture.

855
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:27.679
<v Speaker 1>It really does.

856
00:47:27.880 --> 00:47:29.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

857
00:47:29.599 --> 00:47:32.360
<v Speaker 1>When it was the defense's turn, many expected a dramatic

858
00:47:32.400 --> 00:47:36.239
<v Speaker 1>rebuttal to the situation, but Attorney Stack made a surprising decision.

859
00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.920
<v Speaker 1>She called no witnesses, no experts, not even tim himself

860
00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:45.119
<v Speaker 1>to the stand. In closing, she told the jury, quote,

861
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.480
<v Speaker 1>this is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. It's a

862
00:47:48.519 --> 00:47:51.679
<v Speaker 1>story told with emotion but missing the one thing that

863
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:57.920
<v Speaker 1>matters evidence end quote. The prosecution's closing statement was short

864
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:02.920
<v Speaker 1>and devastating. Quote. He planned this murder, Jones said this

865
00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:06.239
<v Speaker 1>by pacing in front of the jury box. He researched it,

866
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:08.760
<v Speaker 1>he practiced it. He climbed through the child's window and

867
00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.920
<v Speaker 1>shot Becky fourteen times while she begged for her life,

868
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.840
<v Speaker 1>and then he went home and tucked his children into

869
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:19.920
<v Speaker 1>bed end quote. After six days of testimony, the jury

870
00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:24.760
<v Speaker 1>retired to deliberate. Then just four hours after the deliberations began,

871
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:31.400
<v Speaker 1>they reached their verdict. The jury found Timothy W. Bleefnik

872
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:34.960
<v Speaker 1>guilty on all counts.

873
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was like, there's no other They're not going

874
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:40.480
<v Speaker 2>to find him not guilty. There's no way.

875
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.280
<v Speaker 1>When the word guilty echoed through the courtroom, the air

876
00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:45.960
<v Speaker 1>seemed to collapse in on itself. Becky's family clung to

877
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:50.119
<v Speaker 1>one another in tears, and across the aisle, Tim stared forward, unmoving.

878
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:52.920
<v Speaker 1>There was no outburst or visible shock, just a slow,

879
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.079
<v Speaker 1>resigned exhale. The judge thanked the jury for their service

880
00:48:58.079 --> 00:49:02.199
<v Speaker 1>and dismissed them for Becky's ones. It was a bittersweet victory, justice,

881
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:05.079
<v Speaker 1>but not peace. The man who had once shared her home,

882
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:08.679
<v Speaker 1>her children, her laughter had now been found responsible for

883
00:49:08.840 --> 00:49:11.639
<v Speaker 1>ending her life and taking her away from them.

884
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, and also leaving the children with no parents exactly.

885
00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:19.639
<v Speaker 1>The case entered its final chapter with the sentence hearing

886
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:24.320
<v Speaker 1>on August eleventh, twenty twenty three. The Adams County courtroom

887
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:27.760
<v Speaker 1>filled once again. Tim was brought in in an orange

888
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:31.519
<v Speaker 1>and white prison uniform with his wrists shackled. He didn't

889
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:33.639
<v Speaker 1>speak to anyone, his eyes fixed downward as he was

890
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:37.280
<v Speaker 1>seated at the defense table. His attorney, Casey Snack, leaned

891
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:41.400
<v Speaker 1>close whispered something to him, but gave no response. Before

892
00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:45.079
<v Speaker 1>the sentencing was handed down, Judge Robert Adrian allowed Becky's

893
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:48.679
<v Speaker 1>family to speak. It was the first time since the

894
00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:51.519
<v Speaker 1>verdict that they would actually address the man responsible for

895
00:49:51.519 --> 00:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Becky's death face to face. Becky's mother, Bernadette, was the

896
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:59.239
<v Speaker 1>first to stand. Her voice it trembled, but her words

897
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:04.000
<v Speaker 1>were clear. Quote when you murdered Becky, you took from

898
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:06.519
<v Speaker 1>your boys the person who loved them most in this world.

899
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:10.800
<v Speaker 1>You took their mother, the one who held them, comforted them,

900
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.760
<v Speaker 1>and fought for them. You left them with an emptiness

901
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:18.360
<v Speaker 1>that can never be filled. Your soul is black with hate,

902
00:50:18.679 --> 00:50:22.360
<v Speaker 1>and your heart has love only for itself. You should

903
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:27.039
<v Speaker 1>never be allowed to be free again. There was a

904
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:30.400
<v Speaker 1>long silence after she sat down. Even the judge was shaken,

905
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:34.960
<v Speaker 1>and next Becky's sister Sarah stood up for her statement.

906
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:38.000
<v Speaker 1>She walked slowly to the podium, clutching a paper in

907
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.920
<v Speaker 1>her hand, and she took a deep breath before looking

908
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:45.559
<v Speaker 1>directly at Tim and saying, quote, your children's future will

909
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:49.800
<v Speaker 1>be forever impacted by your crime. They're already suffering. You've

910
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:53.639
<v Speaker 1>condemned them to a life of confusion and grief. Maybe

911
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:57.079
<v Speaker 1>you should have googled childhood PTSD in between your searches

912
00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:02.639
<v Speaker 1>for homemade silencers and V I N numbers. Finally, it

913
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:05.920
<v Speaker 1>was the judge's turn. Judge Adrian spoke softly at first,

914
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:10.440
<v Speaker 1>but his words carried an unmistakable gravity. Now this quote

915
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:13.280
<v Speaker 1>is very interesting, and I'm gonna read it in a

916
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:17.880
<v Speaker 1>very specific way because it's very important to really really

917
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:22.679
<v Speaker 1>get across the gravity of what he says. Mister Bliefnik,

918
00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:27.400
<v Speaker 1>you research this murder, you planned this murder, you practiced

919
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:30.199
<v Speaker 1>this murder. You broke into her house and you shot

920
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:44.000
<v Speaker 1>her one two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen,

921
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:51.039
<v Speaker 1>fourteen times. He counted it out, his voice raising with

922
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:57.559
<v Speaker 1>each number, and he paused before continuing. Some of those

923
00:51:57.559 --> 00:51:59.960
<v Speaker 1>shots were fired while she was still laying on the ground.

924
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:03.119
<v Speaker 1>You did all of that while your children were at

925
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:06.880
<v Speaker 1>home a sleep in their beds, blissfully unaware that their

926
00:52:06.920 --> 00:52:11.480
<v Speaker 1>mother was dying alone. The appropriate sentence, in this court's

927
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:16.760
<v Speaker 1>opinion is natural life in prison. Damn, it was the

928
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:21.639
<v Speaker 1>harshest penalty available under Illinois law. Life in prison without

929
00:52:21.840 --> 00:52:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the possibility of parole.

930
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:28.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yes, of course, but his the speech there,

931
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.719
<v Speaker 2>it's just like, holy shit. Just imagine sitting in that courtroom, hey,

932
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:34.960
<v Speaker 2>and just listening to him count to fourteen.

933
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's kind of what I was trying to portray. Shit,

934
00:52:38.199 --> 00:52:40.280
<v Speaker 1>why I counted it out to give you kind of

935
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.159
<v Speaker 1>that same effect on hearing It's almost like a gunshot

936
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.360
<v Speaker 1>each time he said number, It's like it's ringing out,

937
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:48.840
<v Speaker 1>almost playing in real time, and it's heavy.

938
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:51.519
<v Speaker 2>God, I feel like I would just be sobbing.

939
00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now the words were like a final nail sealing

940
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:59.920
<v Speaker 1>the coffin shut. Tim showed little reaction, only a slope

941
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:03.320
<v Speaker 1>and a small nod, as if acknowledging the inevitable, and

942
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:07.199
<v Speaker 1>he declined to make a statement. Becky's three boys went

943
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.239
<v Speaker 1>to live with Becky's parents. Sarah and her husband remained

944
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:13.719
<v Speaker 1>closely involved as well, helping raise them together as a family.

945
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:17.559
<v Speaker 1>In the weeks after the sentencing, in the town of Quincy,

946
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:20.320
<v Speaker 1>everyone tried to return to normal life, but the shadow

947
00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.519
<v Speaker 1>of the belief in the case it lingered over it.

948
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:25.719
<v Speaker 1>The once quiet streets were now marked by camera crews,

949
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:29.119
<v Speaker 1>documentary vans, and visitors stopping by the courthouse just to

950
00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:32.840
<v Speaker 1>say they'd seen the place where it all unfolded. Tim,

951
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:35.880
<v Speaker 1>of course, began the process of appealing his convictions, and

952
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:39.360
<v Speaker 1>he maintained his innocence. The irony of his family feud

953
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:44.039
<v Speaker 1>appearance years earlier became a massive stigma in regarding this case.

954
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.239
<v Speaker 1>The game show contestant who joked that his biggest mistake

955
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:50.559
<v Speaker 1>was saying I do, only to later stand accused of

956
00:53:50.599 --> 00:53:54.599
<v Speaker 1>killing the woman he said it to. Even now, Tim

957
00:53:54.639 --> 00:53:57.880
<v Speaker 1>insists that clip means nothing. In an interview, he said

958
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.719
<v Speaker 1>it was a joke. It wasn't said with any malice

959
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:04.599
<v Speaker 1>or bad intentions. It was supposed to be funny. But

960
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:07.760
<v Speaker 1>for Becky's family there was nothing to laugh about. They

961
00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:11.400
<v Speaker 1>weren't interested in interviews or speculation. They were focused entirely

962
00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:15.159
<v Speaker 1>on raising her sons and preserving the memory of who

963
00:54:15.199 --> 00:54:19.800
<v Speaker 1>she was. Becky had been a nurse, a friend, a sister,

964
00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.840
<v Speaker 1>a mother, and the kind of person who made others

965
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:27.079
<v Speaker 1>feel safe. She had earned the Daisy Award nomination for

966
00:54:27.719 --> 00:54:31.920
<v Speaker 1>exceptional patient care and had volunteered for an animal rescue group,

967
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:33.840
<v Speaker 1>all while she was going through some of the roughest

968
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 1>times of her life. She had cared for strangers as

969
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.519
<v Speaker 1>though they were family, and in the end, she had

970
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:45.199
<v Speaker 1>been taken by someone she once trusted the most. As

971
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:48.760
<v Speaker 1>of now, Tim's appeal is still pending. His attorney has

972
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:53.039
<v Speaker 1>filed motions citing insufficient evidence and alleged procedural errors during

973
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:57.079
<v Speaker 1>the trial, though prosecutors remain confident the conviction will stand.

974
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:00.719
<v Speaker 1>For them, the case is closed. But for better He's family,

975
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:04.599
<v Speaker 1>it never truly will be, no matter the appeal results,

976
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:09.239
<v Speaker 1>because honestly, they'll never get to see Becky again. But

977
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:11.639
<v Speaker 1>those who knew Becky say her presence does still linger

978
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:14.239
<v Speaker 1>in the hospital halls where she once worked, and in

979
00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:17.400
<v Speaker 1>the stories told by her sister, her mother, her friends,

980
00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:21.239
<v Speaker 1>even her sons, and most of all, with her children's

981
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:24.960
<v Speaker 1>laughter as they echoed through the home. But the sound

982
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:30.000
<v Speaker 1>that she loved more than anything. And that's the story

983
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:35.440
<v Speaker 1>of the family feud killer and the murder of Rebecca Bliefnik.

984
00:55:37.840 --> 00:55:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Oh, it makes me angry that this frickin' guy is

985
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:44.920
<v Speaker 2>of course he would be going for an appeal. I

986
00:55:44.960 --> 00:55:47.119
<v Speaker 2>don't know. That just pissed me off right there, because

987
00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:51.239
<v Speaker 2>his frickin children are just like having to be put

988
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:54.440
<v Speaker 2>through the goddamn ringer for no reason other than him

989
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:55.840
<v Speaker 2>being a selfish piece as shit.

990
00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:57.960
<v Speaker 1>You nailed it, that's true.

991
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:01.840
<v Speaker 2>He only thinks of himself, really, there's nothing else.

992
00:56:01.960 --> 00:56:04.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, from day one, that's all he wanted was to control,

993
00:56:04.679 --> 00:56:07.519
<v Speaker 1>to have his situation, have his way. People like that

994
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:10.760
<v Speaker 1>are just disgusting. Yeah, And the fact that he would

995
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:16.199
<v Speaker 1>literally murder, not even think about her family, his family,

996
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:21.760
<v Speaker 1>his kids, her well being, her life and all because

997
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:25.360
<v Speaker 1>what because he couldn't manipulate her anymore.

998
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's just unbelievable to even think of

999
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:33.320
<v Speaker 2>his reasoning here or to comprehend it.

1000
00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.159
<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't get it.

1001
00:56:35.159 --> 00:56:38.239
<v Speaker 2>It makes no sense. And the fact that he actually

1002
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:40.039
<v Speaker 2>thought that he would get away with it is almost

1003
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:43.440
<v Speaker 2>comical in this because of all the shit that he did,

1004
00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:48.679
<v Speaker 2>No kidding, So I don't know, so confidently I guess

1005
00:56:50.079 --> 00:56:52.400
<v Speaker 2>that he just I don't know. It blows my mind

1006
00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:54.079
<v Speaker 2>that he thought he would get away with this. Well,

1007
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:56.159
<v Speaker 2>even if there is literally no one else that would

1008
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:56.559
<v Speaker 2>have done.

1009
00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:00.000
<v Speaker 1>This to her, exactly, even if there wasn't the circumstantial evidence.

1010
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 1>It's the long list of circumstantial evidence, he would be

1011
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:07.159
<v Speaker 1>suspect number one immediately, Yeah, like immediately, not necessarily just

1012
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:09.079
<v Speaker 1>because a history and police look at you know, like

1013
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:12.920
<v Speaker 1>spouse's first, but because they have a history, they have

1014
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:16.599
<v Speaker 1>a bad divorce, all this sort of stuff. He would

1015
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:18.039
<v Speaker 1>immediately be suspect number one.

1016
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Even if they were still married, he still would have been.

1017
00:57:20.599 --> 00:57:21.159
<v Speaker 1>Definitely.

1018
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:23.559
<v Speaker 2>I feel like the ironic thing is too, it's like

1019
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:26.679
<v Speaker 2>she needed to be on that show and saying that

1020
00:57:27.000 --> 00:57:29.400
<v Speaker 2>was her biggest mistake at the wedding was saying I

1021
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:33.639
<v Speaker 2>do because it really was, well, it took her frickin' life.

1022
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Well to be true. He did say not me, not me.

1023
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:40.079
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he was speaking for his.

1024
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Wife this one. Yeah, this one hurts the fact that

1025
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:48.079
<v Speaker 2>she's no longer here. Dang, she just seemed incredible.

1026
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:51.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, thank you guys for being here. We appreciate

1027
00:57:51.719 --> 00:57:53.920
<v Speaker 1>you through all these episodes. If you're listening right now,

1028
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1029
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1030
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1031
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<v Speaker 2>Bens like you know, going through purity.

1032
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all of it. It makes a big impact and

1033
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<v Speaker 1>it helps you know what, It helps us grow. So

1034
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:10.079
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1035
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1036
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1037
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<v Speaker 1>You know what, we should probably check this episode, this podcast.

1038
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<v Speaker 2>Out, this awesome podcast.

1039
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:23.440
<v Speaker 1>Exactly where Researched hosted, produced all of it on our

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<v Speaker 1>of course you, so thank you, and until next

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<v Speaker 2>Time, Until next time, stay wicked,
