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<v Speaker 1>Welcome, dear listener, and thanks for joining us. I'm Yant

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Steven.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a podcast all about the weird and

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful world of the Dark comedy anthology series Inside Number nine.

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<v Speaker 1>On each episode, we'll be diving into another one of

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Pemberton and Reese Sheresmith's twisted tales, putting it under

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<v Speaker 1>a lens, and examining it within an inch of its life.

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<v Speaker 2>So make yourself comfortable, grab a cup of tea, and

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<v Speaker 2>join us for the ninth degree. Hello, Hello, Hello, welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm okay, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good? Thank you. Just back from a nice little holiday,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm all yeah, happy to be back at work,

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<v Speaker 2>said no one ever.

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<v Speaker 1>But you had a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a really good time, thank you. Good. A couple

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<v Speaker 2>of days in New York, and then a nice little

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<v Speaker 2>cruise in the Caribbean which was fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't be bad.

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<v Speaker 2>No. I was thinking just before this, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>how we have to talk about settings for episodes, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, Deck nine of the Titanic would have

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<v Speaker 2>been good. And then I just heard this voice in

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<v Speaker 2>my head of Reese go all right, what happens?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's your job as a writer, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, yeah, you're the right here. I'll just do

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<v Speaker 2>the ideas. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good idea, though, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, I'm sure there's lots of stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>could have happened on that deck.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, on that night. Yeah, the famous one was the

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<v Speaker 1>bus one, wasn't it that people kept saying that he

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<v Speaker 1>was annoyed about. Yeah, because the part of anything I

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<v Speaker 1>said that would be really tricky to film with, like

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<v Speaker 1>what's out the windows and the continuity and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that would be really tricky unless you just drive

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<v Speaker 2>around incredibly generic estates.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, or do it all green screen.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, the old style of like the projector screen

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff and yeah backlip projector or whatever it was.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you? Yeah, how's a new job?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, yeah, it's the rollercoaster.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been there two weeks now, and on my first

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<v Speaker 1>day in the office, I felt like crying several times, like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I made a terrible mistake. But people

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<v Speaker 1>tell me that's normal actually when you start a new job. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah, two weeks later, I do feel it's I'm

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<v Speaker 1>starting to settle in and starting to get to grips

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<v Speaker 1>with things so good good. Yeah, I need to remind

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<v Speaker 1>myself to let things have time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, unless you're going into a job that's

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<v Speaker 2>like CEO or something like, people assume that you're not,

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to have a bit of time where you

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<v Speaker 2>have to work out what the hell's going on exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that's my trouble. I think I just

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<v Speaker 1>assume that I'm going to be expected to know everything,

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe I put that pressure on myself. But yeah, anyway, you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Putting pressure on yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, this is not a therapy, although,

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<v Speaker 1>actually yeah, kind of appropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>I just had Miranda from Devil was proud of being

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<v Speaker 2>like groundbreaking.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah yeah last week's hair, what will we last week?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh this is one of your fun ones?

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah it was very funny, wasn't it. So it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you spotted it. Lacuchet been ill

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<v Speaker 1>for about a week, but hoping to be over it soon. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just means I'm going to be sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Bless you. Yes, nice done.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll be pleased to know. I'm feeling better now, not

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent, but getting there.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, good, anyway, we will smuggle another one in this

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<v Speaker 2>episode somewhere. Yeah. We're back this week with Series five,

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<v Speaker 2>Episode five, Thinking out Loud.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The summary from the insannumon ang Wiki. Seven disparate characters

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<v Speaker 2>share their stories with the camera, their fates inevitably, inextricably

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<v Speaker 2>and unknowingly set for a head on collision. Quite to

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<v Speaker 2>the point this week thoughts.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I just think technically that's not correct because the

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<v Speaker 1>seventh one doesn't speak to the camera, she's just a voice.

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<v Speaker 2>True.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, yes, so, yeah, interesting this one. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say. It's not my favorite episode. I don't hate it,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm not crazy about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think i'd agree. Okay, I don't think it's bad,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I have issues with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. The thing that kept coming up in my head

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<v Speaker 1>was it's a bit g right. Yeah, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if that's really harsh to say.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, now I can see that, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, when you're like that age and you're you're coming

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<v Speaker 1>up with like drama stuff and you're just like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be so cool, that would be so edgy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's one we can really avoid

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<v Speaker 2>the spoiler of.

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<v Speaker 1>But probably not.

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<v Speaker 2>It is like, it's quite a trope, isn't it. Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think they do it reasonably well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes and no.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the performances, I mean, at least.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, the perform of course, and they've got some fantastic

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<v Speaker 1>cast in this episode. But when we get to the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of reveal of the twist, it just feels very

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<v Speaker 1>infra dumpy to me and very much like I agreed, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just explain what this was all about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Reese goes on about in an interview where he

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<v Speaker 2>says that apparently it was if it was the producer

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<v Speaker 2>was telling them that they should be explaining it more,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was trying to say, like, you know, credit

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<v Speaker 2>the audience with some intelligence, and they ended up having

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<v Speaker 2>to include more of an explanation than they wanted to.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that is really interesting, really annoying to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, although I'm not sure, having read it, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>that he wanted them to be more explanatory than they

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<v Speaker 2>were or whether he wore and they did.

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<v Speaker 1>It's probably a back and forth, wasn't it, in a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of give and take.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this person was concerned with what he calls the

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<v Speaker 2>heart of thinking.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I can imagine what Reese's response to that was, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, reesays he thinks it's over explained. Our audience are clever.

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<v Speaker 2>They would have got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah that does make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, sorry, Initially the boys wen't in the ending

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<v Speaker 2>to him less explanatory than it ended up being bound

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<v Speaker 2>to pressure from executive producers. Yeah. That's a shame because

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<v Speaker 2>that would have been my main criticism of it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least it wasn't their fault.

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<v Speaker 1>It just goes to show I bang on my drum

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<v Speaker 1>about this so much. Like I find it really irritated

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<v Speaker 1>seeing the kind of the clash between the creative and

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<v Speaker 1>the corporate and the like, you know, art being produced

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<v Speaker 1>as a business, and like you have these people who

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<v Speaker 1>but they don't they don't quite you know, creativity is

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<v Speaker 1>organic and let the people who are doing the creating

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<v Speaker 1>they did, what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like you've got you've got to series five

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<v Speaker 2>by this point, they cleaning what they're doing. Yeah, trust them,

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<v Speaker 2>they trust them. Yeah yeah, which is a shame, but.

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<v Speaker 1>They anyway, So we open on this street, yes, called

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<v Speaker 1>Did you see the sign It's called Avenue Gardens.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, I didn't see the sign, which I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the most generic street ever, so dull like road road.

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<v Speaker 2>So we first see Phil walking up to the house, sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill walking up to the house, played by Phil Davis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Bill played by Phil. Yeah, Phil playing Bill. And

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<v Speaker 1>also the nign in that sort of stained glass with

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<v Speaker 1>all the colors.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I feel like we probably should just say what

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<v Speaker 2>the twist is and okay, we can then address it

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more easily.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure if you're listening you know, Yeah, I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure you do. But so the whole point of this

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<v Speaker 2>episode is that Nadia Maxine Peaks character is suffering from

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<v Speaker 2>dissociative identity disorder and has several characters in her head.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I like the stained glass and like the

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<v Speaker 2>fracturing element, and like that's in a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>other shots. And if you notice, like, yeah, Angel's room

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<v Speaker 2>has like stained glass, and I think there's like a

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<v Speaker 2>reflection in Aiden's room, like you can see the moon

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<v Speaker 2>or something, and it's all like cracked and stuff. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and then there's Galen's obviously his video keeps crackling, which

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<v Speaker 2>I guess is the one that they're trying to do there,

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<v Speaker 2>it's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the actual colors in the stained glass, like

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<v Speaker 1>they represent the different characters, right, So you've got the

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<v Speaker 1>orange of Galen and the pink of Angel.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like a lot of the little symbolism and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like it has done quite well for the most part.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of very subtle little things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a very different episode. Yeah, very much like

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of talking heads.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's what they aim for apparently. Yeah, they were

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to do a Alan Bennett Alan Bennett. That's the one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, although the difference being that there it's just theatrical

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<v Speaker 1>device if they just happen to be doing a little monologue,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas here they actually have a purpose. They're doing it

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<v Speaker 1>to camera for whatever reason.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where do we start? I guess with the Bill video.

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<v Speaker 1>M hm, so, oh my god, dating video.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that's it's it's so painful. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>help that he's not a very nice person.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, he's not painting himself in a very good line.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really not.

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<v Speaker 1>And I mean it's just a lie, isn't it. That

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<v Speaker 1>video dating is coming back in like the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well that's not true. What's something happening in like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty that I missed?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, unless it's like I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Is there an app or something that you

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<v Speaker 1>do that I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not aware of. No, something just used by personal

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<v Speaker 2>trainers apparently apparently.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, God, he's a horrible man, isn't he.

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<v Speaker 2>He's awful.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Phil Davis is great at playing horrible men.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, hasn't he. Yeah, it's sort of snarly horrible man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd worked with Steve during Whitechapel that I'd mentioned a

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks ago. Yeah, apparently he'd loved it and asked

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<v Speaker 2>if he could be in it or they'd love him

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<v Speaker 2>Macart and Butch where around it was. M hmm. It's

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<v Speaker 2>nice that he gets the sort of play a character,

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<v Speaker 2>at least at the start that's kind of not his

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<v Speaker 2>type in a way, like he's not a good person,

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<v Speaker 2>but he's not a bad guy. Like he's just got

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, exactly. And there's a slight slight sympathy for him,

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that is sad, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean we shouldn't feel too sorry for him.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know why what we say is just objective

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<v Speaker 1>He's presenting it as you know, he's sadly lost his wife, Doreen.

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<v Speaker 1>But obviously we found out the end that he essentially

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I'm not spotted until I was reading in an

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're very good at that. Yeah, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of that in this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Lines that on their own don't really mean much. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you can so easily write off as something else.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I will say I think, you know how some

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<v Speaker 1>it the other day just casually just to refresh myself

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, actually, yeah, this is actually really quite

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<v Speaker 1>good in some ways.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the performances are really good, the script's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think it loses it in the last sort

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<v Speaker 2>of five minutes for me. Yeah, which is a shame

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<v Speaker 2>because that's what it's building towards.

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<v Speaker 1>But exactly, yeah, I just had to call it. I

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<v Speaker 1>know it's awful. But the way he says about his

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<v Speaker 1>personal training is like he's Muslim, but we have a

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<v Speaker 1>laugh about it. Yeah, I mean I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>that means.

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<v Speaker 2>It's such a so that generation. Yeah, it's just the

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<v Speaker 2>casualness of the sort of exactly racism or xenophobia or whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you get of them people. Yeah, I grew up in

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of village. I know lots of people like this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because when you think about the country that we

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<v Speaker 1>live in, and you think, like we tend to live

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<v Speaker 1>in a bit of a bubble and think that things

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<v Speaker 1>are all right. You know, every time there's an election,

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<v Speaker 1>we see that actually they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>I do not know.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it's just crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>It comes so far, but they're still so far to go.

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<v Speaker 1>These people are around us everywhere and we just walk

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<v Speaker 1>past them probably yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Walking around like regular people sixth sensors. Yeah, and they

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<v Speaker 2>all can vote exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Anyway, that's sad. So do we need to send

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<v Speaker 1>any more about the bill section at this point?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. Who are we going to next?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so via a little transition of postcards on a

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<v Speaker 1>pin board, yes, we move on to Nadia.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, at what point in this episode, By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I should say this up front, when did you work

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<v Speaker 2>out what the what the twist was? Because I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it's very obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't I honestly can't remember. But there I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there are still things that I'm like, what are you

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to take from it at this point in the

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<v Speaker 1>episode and stuff, because when it cuts to Nadia, you

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<v Speaker 1>can see it's very obviously the same house that yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill just walked into. Yeah, so at that point you

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<v Speaker 1>on your first watch, what are you supposed to think?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you supposed to think this is a house that

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<v Speaker 1>happens to do filming for video dating and also therapy?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, yeah, so that was my thing. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think I worked out quite quickly what was going on

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<v Speaker 2>because of my anal retentiveness of thinking that, well, it's

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<v Speaker 2>got to be an inside a nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes exactly, it's all going to be in the same location.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's all in the same location. We've seen

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<v Speaker 2>two locations are clearly very different. Oh, it's all just

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<v Speaker 2>the same person. I think I've figured out quite quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't, okay, I mean, I don't think I've read

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<v Speaker 2>it out that quickly. After we've had about three or

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<v Speaker 2>four of them, I say, how is this? And you've

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<v Speaker 2>had you'd had the door in name dropped at least twice,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe three times. Yes, I was like, oh, well they're

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<v Speaker 2>all somehow very connected.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know how you can explain that this

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<v Speaker 2>is still in the nine if they're not something weird

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<v Speaker 2>going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I think at some point in the episode, I think

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was starting to think, because you've obviously

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<v Speaker 1>got the names on the postcards on the wall, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's this Angel says something about in here, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it sounds like maybe this is some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of home or like some sort of institution, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>they've all got separate rooms, and that maybe they're all

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<v Speaker 1>patients at this place.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, yeah, it could have worked.

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<v Speaker 1>That was kind of what I was thinking. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>at one point. But then obviously you know the clues

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<v Speaker 1>about the names and stuff. Yeah, you start to see

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a there's more of a connection.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite good that the name how the names aren't

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<v Speaker 2>immediately obvious as anagrams. Yeah, weirdly you think they would

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<v Speaker 2>be more obvious than they are. Yes, But they did

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<v Speaker 2>film all of Aiden, Nadia and Angel videos all in

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<v Speaker 2>the same house they did, Yeah, and the other two

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<v Speaker 2>were sets. Well, the church was real, but the other

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<v Speaker 2>two sets, So I suppose it's sort of all in

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<v Speaker 2>the nine still thought of.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's the thing, like when it cuts to the church.

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<v Speaker 1>I think when I watched this the first time, I

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of forgot that it's it's all supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>be inside the same location, and I think maybe they're

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<v Speaker 1>banking on that that you just kind of, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>forget that for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or that you've gone, well one of them is,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll let you off on the others.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess. I guess the bill video at the start

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<v Speaker 2>could have been just like something she was watching or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't I suppose need to be in the nine. Does

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<v Speaker 2>that make sense?

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<v Speaker 1>No, But he's the He's the one that you literally

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<v Speaker 1>see walk into the number nine. So I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>one that must be in the number nine.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess, like some of them do use bits that

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<v Speaker 2>aren't like say Devil of Christmas for example, we're not

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<v Speaker 2>saying that the police interview happens in a nine for example.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh that's true, Like you sort of say that the

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<v Speaker 2>main setting is but other stuff can be going on

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<v Speaker 2>in other locations, yeah, or something could have been pre

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<v Speaker 2>recorded or whatever that they're having to watch there.

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<v Speaker 1>But this one being so saigmented into like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>six or seven chunks of it's clearly sort of six

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<v Speaker 1>equal parts of one whole. M I think that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it doesn't really feel like one is the main

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<v Speaker 2>story as such.

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<v Speaker 1>No, exactly. Yeah, so I guess you're kind of not

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<v Speaker 1>sure what you're watching at first, Like, why are we

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<v Speaker 1>seeing these seemingly unrelated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Dinah's is a little bit smaller, but otherwise they're

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<v Speaker 2>all kind of equal. Mm hm, who do we go to?

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<v Speaker 2>So Nadia's for next? Sorry? So yeah, telling her a

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<v Speaker 2>little story.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so, I mean I've written down therapy session. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but actually I guess we don't necessarily twig that until

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<v Speaker 1>the therapist speaks at the end of that first section.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, talking about her awful friends.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the smugs.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It reminded me of that clip from ab Fab

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<v Speaker 2>where she's like, I've got some news or whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not going to believe it or whatever. She's fat,

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<v Speaker 2>she's dead, she's blind thing. Okay, have you not seen it?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>No, okay, look it up. It's very funny. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>you loved Fab.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not really watched it. I keep meaning to.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a particular fan either, but I've seen that

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<v Speaker 2>clip a lot. But yeah, so she's very happy.

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<v Speaker 1>This one is particularly monologuy Alan Bennetty talking heads and

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<v Speaker 1>about going around the dinner table and doing the porn names. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's very good, isn't she a Maxine Peak?

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<v Speaker 2>She is good. She reminds me a bit of Julie

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<v Speaker 2>Walters weirdly, just to weird intonations and things. Oh okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what it was, but I just got

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<v Speaker 2>her from that. I think it's the weird mouth movement

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<v Speaker 2>she has. Oh okay, I like the high open asda

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<v Speaker 2>thing as if that's like, you know, he of where

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<v Speaker 2>you'd aimed to and I met she's high open as

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, she's on the second floor. I mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>some great little bits, like the the O pair whose

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<v Speaker 1>poor name is Cornie Lingus. Yeah, she gets upset and

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<v Speaker 1>what she says about oh she's Italian porns like Baker

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<v Speaker 1>for them everyone's having to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Why not?

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<v Speaker 1>The thing about oh, your poor name is your first

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<v Speaker 1>pet followed by your mother's maiden name. It's like the

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<v Speaker 1>things you always see on Facebook and stuff. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>like anyone who does that is just like giving people

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<v Speaker 1>their security questions answers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've got a note to say that. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just one of those things that has been designed by

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<v Speaker 2>scammers exactly. Yeah, but people for for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I almost said do we do it? And then I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, no, that's not a good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was thinking the same. I was going to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we should do it, and then like maybe not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the lan is quite good, so I'm not going

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<v Speaker 2>to say it. Mom is quite good.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh your porn name, I'll tell you after tell me afterwards. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe you might use it one day, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>They well, maybe maybe you already.

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<v Speaker 1>Have well who knows.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, then it takes quite a dark turn all

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<v Speaker 2>of a sudden. She's quite sad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, so Nadia never knew her who her mother was.

429
00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:05.519
<v Speaker 2>It's one of those horrible things of people just having

430
00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:08.079
<v Speaker 2>a joke and then saying something and not realizing how

431
00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:11.960
<v Speaker 2>it might affect someone exactly, because you're never going to

432
00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:15.519
<v Speaker 2>know that you can't make a joke about whatever. No,

433
00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:17.759
<v Speaker 2>suddenly it really hurts someone.

434
00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but also at the end of the day, like

435
00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:24.160
<v Speaker 1>you can't you know, people would never say anything if

436
00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:26.119
<v Speaker 1>they had to constantly, if you had to think of

437
00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:31.359
<v Speaker 1>every possible exactly, yeah, alternative, Yeah, but.

438
00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:38.279
<v Speaker 2>Just Jaws is a great porn name it works. I mean, yeah, yeah,

439
00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping it was a fish.

440
00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh she said a goldfish.

441
00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:44.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah the sheet Yeah, okay.

442
00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, then we hear the therapist voice. She's

443
00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:54.319
<v Speaker 1>very yeah, very stereotypical. Yes, how did it feel talking

444
00:19:54.359 --> 00:20:02.319
<v Speaker 1>about your mother? And Nadia's just sort of zone now interesting?

445
00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Yes, what's happening in her head? And that's about her

446
00:20:07.079 --> 00:20:07.839
<v Speaker 2>section over I.

447
00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Think, yeah, that's one of my favorite sections. I think

448
00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:12.799
<v Speaker 1>is her mono.

449
00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is nice, and it's funny, Like it's not

450
00:20:15.799 --> 00:20:19.240
<v Speaker 2>a particularly funny episode, so it's nice that you get somebody.

451
00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:28.079
<v Speaker 2>It's got some sections, some chuckles in it, yeah, onto Galen, Yes, yeah,

452
00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean where do we start with the interesting characterization? Yeah?

453
00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:34.839
<v Speaker 1>Or the wig costume?

454
00:20:35.079 --> 00:20:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's it's a brave move when on

455
00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.240
<v Speaker 2>your first view you're meant to buy this as a

456
00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:44.920
<v Speaker 2>real character. Yeah, and it just looks as if, okay,

457
00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Steve can't really do American all that. I mean, it's okay,

458
00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:49.759
<v Speaker 2>it's not bad.

459
00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:53.759
<v Speaker 1>Actually, I think it's the accent so much as the dialogue,

460
00:20:53.839 --> 00:20:56.240
<v Speaker 1>the choice of the like the slang, and the.

461
00:20:57.119 --> 00:20:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Such a caricature.

462
00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:01.000
<v Speaker 1>It's such a caricature. Yeah, it's ridiculous actually, and the

463
00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:04.319
<v Speaker 1>fact that he you know, it's like pole lease yeah,

464
00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:06.319
<v Speaker 1>and all that, it's literally like.

465
00:21:05.960 --> 00:21:08.319
<v Speaker 2>Every other every fourth word has gone through some sort

466
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<v Speaker 2>of Louisiana translator.

467
00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and even right at the beginning when he's like

468
00:21:12.160 --> 00:21:20.319
<v Speaker 1>the sugar State. Mmmm, it's ridiculous. And the costume, like

469
00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:21.640
<v Speaker 1>it looks like a Halloween costume.

470
00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

471
00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:25.359
<v Speaker 1>And the wig. I think this might be the worst

472
00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:26.000
<v Speaker 1>wig we've had.

473
00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:27.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a contender.

474
00:21:28.359 --> 00:21:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Oh my god. And it's supposed to be so

475
00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:33.839
<v Speaker 1>serious as.

476
00:21:33.799 --> 00:21:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Far as you're aware on first view, Yeah, this is

477
00:21:36.680 --> 00:21:41.240
<v Speaker 2>meant to be some mass murderer. Yeah, but that's all intentional.

478
00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, the ridiculousness the charricature is yeah, I suppose.

479
00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Because ultimately this is Nadia's version of what she thinks

480
00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:51.160
<v Speaker 2>an American murder would sound. Well, yeah, the Deep South.

481
00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that's true.

482
00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:53.799
<v Speaker 2>And she's not that great at it.

483
00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:57.440
<v Speaker 1>No, but you can't forgive the wig. Yeah, I'm sure

484
00:21:57.440 --> 00:21:58.839
<v Speaker 1>she could have imagined a better hair.

485
00:21:59.079 --> 00:22:03.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I guess how deep do you think about

486
00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:05.480
<v Speaker 2>this is? This is the character she probably doesn't want

487
00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:07.920
<v Speaker 2>to think about. Yeah, so she's probably put the least

488
00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:11.960
<v Speaker 2>amount of like thought into it. Yeah, so that's why

489
00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:14.799
<v Speaker 2>maybe comes across as so weak compared to the others.

490
00:22:14.839 --> 00:22:18.000
<v Speaker 1>That's true. A real person, you know, they're good when

491
00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:23.079
<v Speaker 1>like something's deliberately bad and actually that's genius. It's bad

492
00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:23.640
<v Speaker 1>for a reason.

493
00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:27.119
<v Speaker 2>And also if she plays him up as being a caricature,

494
00:22:27.160 --> 00:22:30.079
<v Speaker 2>maybe that makes him less real. Yeah. I don't know

495
00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.519
<v Speaker 2>how intentionally bad he is, like yeah from her point

496
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:35.480
<v Speaker 2>of view, I mean, and she's got him locked up

497
00:22:36.279 --> 00:22:37.359
<v Speaker 2>in chains as well.

498
00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Like she's keeping him locked away. Yeah, but yeah, it is.

499
00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:46.200
<v Speaker 1>It is painful to watch our skin and a rarebit

500
00:22:47.200 --> 00:22:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I said to Ma, we're got to eat.

501
00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've got in my notes is Galing intentionally a caricature?

502
00:22:55.720 --> 00:22:58.079
<v Speaker 2>And then by the end I'm like, obviously, yes, that's

503
00:22:58.119 --> 00:22:58.720
<v Speaker 2>not a question.

504
00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

505
00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So again we've got Dorien. Is his mum?

506
00:23:04.079 --> 00:23:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Yes, who's died?

507
00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:06.200
<v Speaker 2>Who's died?

508
00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, he killed her?

509
00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that would happen, I suppose.

510
00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Is that also like Nadia blaming herself for the death

511
00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.559
<v Speaker 1>of her mother. Oh yeah, saying that you know, she's

512
00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:20.680
<v Speaker 1>responsible for her death, so I killed her.

513
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she was only little, so yeah, she'll have

514
00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:27.720
<v Speaker 2>probably blamed herself more than she realistically should have. Yeah,

515
00:23:27.920 --> 00:23:30.240
<v Speaker 2>obviously it's never her fault. But you know, if she

516
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:32.640
<v Speaker 2>was I doing at fifteen or something, she might have

517
00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:34.839
<v Speaker 2>said something to someone or whatever, Like you could rationalize

518
00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:36.720
<v Speaker 2>it that it's your fault. Yeah, But when you're like

519
00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:38.960
<v Speaker 2>three or four, like, no, it's never your fault.

520
00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:40.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean when you're Yeah, when you're that young, the

521
00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.319
<v Speaker 1>world rolls around you. So everything that happens, you think

522
00:23:43.400 --> 00:23:44.079
<v Speaker 1>is because of you.

523
00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So yeah, in no matter how she dresses it up,

524
00:23:47.359 --> 00:23:48.400
<v Speaker 2>it could never be her fault.

525
00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:52.519
<v Speaker 1>No, absolutely not. But that is what happens, isn't it. Yeah,

526
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:57.000
<v Speaker 1>people's minds. Yeah, this was another one of those what

527
00:23:57.119 --> 00:23:59.480
<v Speaker 1>felt like a sort of trying to be edgy monologue.

528
00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:02.559
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've seen there's a TikTok that

529
00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I absolutely love at the moment. It's a caricature of

530
00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:09.200
<v Speaker 1>that kind of a level or auditioning for drama school

531
00:24:09.240 --> 00:24:12.400
<v Speaker 1>sort of edgy monologue, and it's you if you've seen

532
00:24:12.440 --> 00:24:14.279
<v Speaker 1>these kind of things, it's so true. The guy's just

533
00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:16.599
<v Speaker 1>like I found a lizard at the bottom of our

534
00:24:16.599 --> 00:24:21.680
<v Speaker 1>garden once, little green thing with black eyes, and it's

535
00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:25.400
<v Speaker 1>it's so accurate.

536
00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:28.319
<v Speaker 2>If you're saying in that voice, Yeah, what you say,

537
00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:31.640
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter exactly. Yeah, all sounds like it thinks

538
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:32.279
<v Speaker 2>it's profound.

539
00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:34.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I could just hear like this, this is

540
00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:37.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, the story about killing the rabbit and killing

541
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:39.319
<v Speaker 1>the mum and killing dad. Like it's that sort of thing.

542
00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:41.720
<v Speaker 1>It's a matter of fact that you're so detached from it.

543
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if you do it without any backing music

544
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:46.640
<v Speaker 2>or anything just to camera, it sounds better than it is.

545
00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:50.960
<v Speaker 1>I like when he says about I like to get

546
00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:54.240
<v Speaker 1>into other folks heads. I think that's the first of

547
00:24:54.599 --> 00:24:55.440
<v Speaker 1>a few references.

548
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:58.519
<v Speaker 2>So that's a lot of nice little lines like that. Yeah.

549
00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Another thing is that they intentionally filmed it all on

550
00:25:01.200 --> 00:25:05.880
<v Speaker 2>single cameras except for Bill. Yes, which is cool. It

551
00:25:05.960 --> 00:25:07.400
<v Speaker 2>must have made filming it very easy.

552
00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, well, I think it presents its own challenges, to

553
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.240
<v Speaker 1>be honest, because you've got to nail it in that

554
00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:16.319
<v Speaker 1>one take, and then true, you don't have the options of, oh,

555
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:17.759
<v Speaker 1>let's put a bit from this one and a bit

556
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:19.960
<v Speaker 1>from that one. You just have to choose the one.

557
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>I meant it more from a logistical point of view,

558
00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:23.880
<v Speaker 2>in terms of you have to worry about fashing about

559
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:25.920
<v Speaker 2>with camera tracks and dollies and all this sort of stuff.

560
00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:27.960
<v Speaker 2>You don't need to worry about scheduling because they next

561
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:29.400
<v Speaker 2>to never have to be in the same room together.

562
00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Like Reese's bit and Steve's bit. Could we filmed months

563
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:33.319
<v Speaker 2>apart and it doesn't matter.

564
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's easy to technical point of view. Yeah,

565
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:39.039
<v Speaker 1>it swings and roundabouts, because like I said, I think

566
00:25:39.079 --> 00:25:40.799
<v Speaker 1>it makes the whole thing a lot more difficult in

567
00:25:40.799 --> 00:25:44.160
<v Speaker 1>some ways because obviously they're tied to this whatever it

568
00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:46.359
<v Speaker 1>is twenty seven minute or whatever it is time slot

569
00:25:47.200 --> 00:25:49.519
<v Speaker 1>and they can't tighten anything up in editing.

570
00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah that's true. Steve said that there's lots of

571
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:57.119
<v Speaker 2>I want more emotion but quicker yeah yeah, yeah, just

572
00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:00.720
<v Speaker 2>do it again, but like shave off thirty seconds, yes yeah, yeah,

573
00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:01.359
<v Speaker 2>that is tricky.

574
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:04.279
<v Speaker 1>This is very much because there's a huge difference between

575
00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:08.000
<v Speaker 1>TV acting and like theater acting. Yeah, they are very

576
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>different skills really, and I think this comes from a

577
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.599
<v Speaker 1>much more theatrical place of like, oh yeah, you've got

578
00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:16.680
<v Speaker 1>to have those lines back to front and in your

579
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:17.480
<v Speaker 1>head and.

580
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Just be able to do it over and over and

581
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:20.920
<v Speaker 2>over again, different inflections, different timing, and.

582
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:22.319
<v Speaker 1>You know if they say, oh, we're going to cut

583
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.119
<v Speaker 1>that paragraph. You've got to just be able to just

584
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:29.440
<v Speaker 1>amend to that immediately. Yeah, in your head, it's not easy.

585
00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:30.960
<v Speaker 2>I guess they'll have had to do it where the

586
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:33.880
<v Speaker 2>whole speech takes a minute fifty, a minute, forty, a

587
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:35.880
<v Speaker 2>minute thirty, because they won't know that when they come

588
00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:38.119
<v Speaker 2>to cut it together how long everything else is going.

589
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:38.680
<v Speaker 1>To take exactly.

590
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:40.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, have to do reshoots and bring people back.

591
00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:43.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think Steve said they filmed his one's last,

592
00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:46.240
<v Speaker 1>so he knew how much time he.

593
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.119
<v Speaker 2>Had left to fill. Yeah. I wonder if there's somewhere

594
00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:52.359
<v Speaker 2>they've just sped up the footage as well, by such

595
00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:55.480
<v Speaker 2>a small amount that you don't really notice. Yeah, but

596
00:26:55.599 --> 00:26:57.240
<v Speaker 2>just to shave off a second or two here and there.

597
00:26:57.759 --> 00:27:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Fortunately, the dating video you can do little edits

598
00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Speaker 1>and cut that down. And the same with Angel because

599
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:06.079
<v Speaker 1>there are jumps in. It doesn't matter.

600
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:09.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, but they do give themselves room. But yeah, like

601
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:12.319
<v Speaker 2>you say, tricky on an editing point of view, they.

602
00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>Do, you like to give themselves a challenge. And once again,

603
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.359
<v Speaker 1>like we said, with cold comfort, where Reese and Steve

604
00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>directed that and it was going to be they thought

605
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:21.279
<v Speaker 1>it was going to be easy because it was just

606
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>static cameras. Steve directed this episode, Yes, and again thought

607
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:27.200
<v Speaker 1>probably it was going to be easy because of that,

608
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:31.960
<v Speaker 1>but actually not. Yeah, So should we move on to Angel?

609
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, she's annoying, isn't she.

610
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:38.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think she's grown on me. She's I think

611
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:42.680
<v Speaker 1>the first time I watched it, I was like, cringe, cringe, cringe. Yeah,

612
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.519
<v Speaker 1>but I think I've grown to appreciate, like it's actually

613
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:49.359
<v Speaker 1>a spot one. Yeah, it's so good.

614
00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.200
<v Speaker 2>It's always drinking from a bottle thing. I hate it

615
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:54.519
<v Speaker 2>when people are like, I'm just recording this TikTok while

616
00:27:54.519 --> 00:27:57.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm having a dinner dinner, and then record it. Yeah,

617
00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.920
<v Speaker 2>you've not got like not every minute of your days

618
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.720
<v Speaker 2>accounted for. I'm sure you could have squeezed this in later,

619
00:28:05.359 --> 00:28:06.920
<v Speaker 2>like why are you cooking your rice?

620
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:08.799
<v Speaker 1>Like why didn't they do it for the esthetic?

621
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:10.880
<v Speaker 2>It's so frustrating for me.

622
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Yes, but even like the yeah, the jump cuts and

623
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:17.880
<v Speaker 1>the micro edits and stuff, it's so yeah. I mean,

624
00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I don't know if YouTube's like

625
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.599
<v Speaker 1>that now, but it was very much you know, in

626
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.200
<v Speaker 1>the twenty tens, that was very much the thing I.

627
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Know if YouTube would be like that now, but TikTok

628
00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:27.519
<v Speaker 2>definitely is.

629
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:30.119
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I don't think. I think this is

630
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:32.039
<v Speaker 1>very YouTube, Like I.

631
00:28:31.960 --> 00:28:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Mean, TikTok wouldn't exist at the time when this well no.

632
00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:36.559
<v Speaker 1>No, but I mean I mean, like the what's the thing?

633
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:39.599
<v Speaker 1>She says something about my mother, my mum, my Madre,

634
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and it's like all these different versions of it coming in.

635
00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:44.200
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I don't know. I didn't used to watch

636
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:46.240
<v Speaker 1>too many vloggers on YouTube back in the day, but

637
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:49.680
<v Speaker 1>the ones I did watch it was that sort of thing. Yeah.

638
00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh, she's frustrating and like she took three hours off

639
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:56.400
<v Speaker 2>as a charity thing.

640
00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:58.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. Yeah, for fuck's.

641
00:28:58.519 --> 00:29:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Sake, I take seven. I was off every night when

642
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:03.240
<v Speaker 2>I go to bed. It's a bigger deal.

643
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:06.160
<v Speaker 1>That's very funny. And I also love how she's like,

644
00:29:06.480 --> 00:29:12.039
<v Speaker 1>I did it for charity. She can't even remember the

645
00:29:12.079 --> 00:29:12.759
<v Speaker 1>name of the charity.

646
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:15.599
<v Speaker 2>She's like, did I give them any way? I don't remember.

647
00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:20.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, she's very vapid. Yeah, and that oh god.

648
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>So she says the thing about buzzing away like my

649
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:24.799
<v Speaker 1>mother's rabbit, and then she's like, oh, don't tell her

650
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:29.279
<v Speaker 1>and it's so it's so like stage, like she's obviously

651
00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:32.599
<v Speaker 1>did that deliberately to have a moment of like reality.

652
00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:36.799
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, this again, that's so realistic. Yeah, but she's

653
00:29:36.799 --> 00:29:38.119
<v Speaker 1>I think she's very good. She performs it.

654
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, she's great. Yeah. But the character if she

655
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:42.920
<v Speaker 2>can get in the.

656
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:47.799
<v Speaker 1>Bin, so we get a mention of Galen Landry, Yes,

657
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:50.160
<v Speaker 1>more of a connection across so.

658
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.039
<v Speaker 2>They do exist in the same world. Yeah, I'm a

659
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:55.240
<v Speaker 2>bit unsure about how all of this really works, Like

660
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:57.960
<v Speaker 2>he's all of this, all of the stuff that isn't

661
00:29:58.359 --> 00:30:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Nadia saying it's all fully imagined. Is Nadia Lake making

662
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:04.799
<v Speaker 2>YouTube videos?

663
00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I think I think it's all sitting in the chair.

664
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:09.559
<v Speaker 2>I think it is, Yeah, because she.

665
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:12.519
<v Speaker 1>Does that bit later where she's doing the voices. Yeah,

666
00:30:12.559 --> 00:30:14.839
<v Speaker 1>so then I think we're seeing it from the outside perspective.

667
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:16.359
<v Speaker 1>But I think for the most of it, we're seeing

668
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:17.680
<v Speaker 1>it from inside her mind.

669
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:21.359
<v Speaker 2>It's all just her imagination. Yeah, yeah, I think that's

670
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:24.839
<v Speaker 2>what I concluded. But yeah, they said they've thrown in

671
00:30:24.880 --> 00:30:27.799
<v Speaker 2>the line about Nadia having a daughter purely to explain

672
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:32.240
<v Speaker 2>how she would know about YouTube influences. Oh, to explain

673
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:34.680
<v Speaker 2>like why would she know about this so well as well.

674
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I have to say that bit when when she says

675
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:41.160
<v Speaker 1>in her own voice, she's like, oh, hashtag amazeballs, it's cringing,

676
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>it's so cringey.

677
00:30:45.680 --> 00:30:47.680
<v Speaker 2>That would be another one that I think, like a

678
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:50.240
<v Speaker 2>bit like Galen, how it's so CARICATURI I would say

679
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:52.480
<v Speaker 2>that the Angel one shouldn't be so good a copy

680
00:30:52.519 --> 00:30:55.240
<v Speaker 2>of what it's trying to be, maybe because I don't

681
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:57.079
<v Speaker 2>think that Nadia would be that good at it.

682
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:01.599
<v Speaker 1>M I don't know, but also like you pick up

683
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.319
<v Speaker 1>these things on levels that we don't even understand in

684
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.279
<v Speaker 1>our brains, Like I suppose Steve was saying about how

685
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.359
<v Speaker 1>people apparently who have a sociative identity disorder can do

686
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.079
<v Speaker 1>things in their other personalities that they would never be

687
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>able to do in their main personality, Like apparently they

688
00:31:17.720 --> 00:31:19.759
<v Speaker 1>could if they're right handed, and then one of their

689
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:22.559
<v Speaker 1>personalities is left handed, they could write perfectly where with

690
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:24.480
<v Speaker 1>the left hand, or or they might be able to

691
00:31:24.559 --> 00:31:28.240
<v Speaker 1>draw like an amazing picture that they could never do normally.

692
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Read music or whatever. Speak off.

693
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so maybe things are just going in subconsciously, I guess, yeah, Yeah.

694
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>It's a fascinating condition. I don't know how much of

695
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:43.720
<v Speaker 2>it's actually real, Like how many of these things actually happen?

696
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:45.799
<v Speaker 1>Like, yeah, how much has been fictionalized?

697
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, I imagine massively, but I'm sure it happens occasionally.

698
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Another reference to are given Peace of my Mind. Hmm.

699
00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.480
<v Speaker 2>And Angel's army as well, like if she thinks of

700
00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:00.920
<v Speaker 2>herself as an army. There's several of them.

701
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh, I hadn't thought of that. Ye see, I was

702
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:06.960
<v Speaker 1>just thinking of that because Angel's army being her followers.

703
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Like her fans, but she herself is an army.

704
00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:11.720
<v Speaker 1>Her name is that as well. Yeah, so yeah, that

705
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:15.359
<v Speaker 1>makes sense. I love the I love the bit about Babe.

706
00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:17.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh Babe's an old film.

707
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:20.359
<v Speaker 1>Now, it's so true, like these these like you know,

708
00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 1>eighteen nineteen year old influencers who are like, so, I

709
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:25.559
<v Speaker 1>didn't know this, but apparently it's a film from like

710
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:27.519
<v Speaker 1>years ago. Yeah.

711
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:29.359
<v Speaker 2>When I was in New York, we went and saw

712
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>Cha Cargo on Broadway and I was in the key

713
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:33.440
<v Speaker 2>for the toilets at one point and I heard two people.

714
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:34.920
<v Speaker 2>It was in the interval, and I heard two people

715
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.119
<v Speaker 2>talking about how great the show was. And oh, there's

716
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:39.440
<v Speaker 2>also a film, you know, like you might want to

717
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 2>watch it from ages ago and everyone was like.

718
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.559
<v Speaker 1>Really, oh god, two thousand and something.

719
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:49.160
<v Speaker 2>Not even that long ago. Yeah, yeah, I mean no, no, objectively,

720
00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:50.440
<v Speaker 2>Baby is quite a old film, and it was when

721
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.599
<v Speaker 2>I was a kid. But yes, it doesn't feel that

722
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>old now, like the amount of times that I'll say

723
00:32:55.039 --> 00:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>that'll do, pick that'll do, and really hope that the

724
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.440
<v Speaker 2>person gets what I'm saying. Yeah, otherwise it's a really

725
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:02.759
<v Speaker 2>strange thing to have said.

726
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'm just wondering what context you've said that in

727
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:14.240
<v Speaker 1>now anyway, Do we have anything more to say on

728
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>that section?

729
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:18.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. It's just annoying and I'm glad

730
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:19.200
<v Speaker 2>it's over.

731
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, i'd say that is. It is very annoying,

732
00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.839
<v Speaker 1>but it's also one of my favorite sections. I really

733
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:26.160
<v Speaker 1>enjoy how accurate it is.

734
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:28.559
<v Speaker 2>That's true. Yeah, yeah, oh no, I like, I love

735
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.599
<v Speaker 2>how accurate it is. But yeah, I just hate that

736
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:32.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of person so much.

737
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:37.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, completely completely. See Ben still watches like YouTube

738
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.640
<v Speaker 1>bloggers now, he watches them on the TV when I'm

739
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:42.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to do something on my laptop and I've just

740
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 1>got some person wittering on in the background about something

741
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:45.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't care about.

742
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:48.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the fact that how everyone loves them so

743
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:50.200
<v Speaker 2>much and how they get all this free ship for

744
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:50.759
<v Speaker 2>doing nothing.

745
00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't get it.

746
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.599
<v Speaker 2>I suppose we're half the problem with podcasting. So you know,

747
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:59.920
<v Speaker 2>well it's step reproved. Oh I nearly did, nearly an accident.

748
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.519
<v Speaker 1>I've always wanted to write a play about a vlogger

749
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:09.559
<v Speaker 1>because I just think it'd be so fascinating the way

750
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:13.639
<v Speaker 1>that people present themselves online as there how they want

751
00:34:13.639 --> 00:34:16.679
<v Speaker 1>their life to be perceived versus what it actually is, because.

752
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:18.440
<v Speaker 2>You never see the other side, so curated.

753
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it could be really interesting anyway, Aidan aid,

754
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:26.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, let's bring the mood down right.

755
00:34:27.599 --> 00:34:29.360
<v Speaker 2>Oh, Race is good this week.

756
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>I think he's fantastic. Yeah.

757
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:35.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh, where do we start. So Reese is the father

758
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:38.679
<v Speaker 2>of an unborn child that he's we find is recording

759
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:41.719
<v Speaker 2>videos for this child as he doesn't expect to live

760
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.719
<v Speaker 2>to see them born. Yeah, which is so sad.

761
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Hmm.

762
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:48.519
<v Speaker 2>He's clearly such a nice guy as well.

763
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's really loving.

764
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like the father everyone wants to have, you know,

765
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.639
<v Speaker 2>they're always on your side and all that kind of stuff.

766
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:00.639
<v Speaker 1>I mean, imagine being that child and growing up and

767
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:03.280
<v Speaker 1>that's the only thing you've got of your father. Yeah,

768
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:05.719
<v Speaker 1>that would be I don't know how.

769
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:07.960
<v Speaker 2>And at what point would the mom show the child that?

770
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like because on one hand is it a nice thing,

771
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:13.199
<v Speaker 1>but on the other hand, actually does it make it worse?

772
00:35:13.519 --> 00:35:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

773
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:16.559
<v Speaker 1>Never having known them, Yeah is it easier.

774
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've only ever known having one parent, so it

775
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:22.079
<v Speaker 2>doesn't bother you. Yeah.

776
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine actually being that person and that all

777
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:25.840
<v Speaker 1>you have is that on the other side of the

778
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:27.800
<v Speaker 1>screen that you can't get to.

779
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:33.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Tragic, really really tragic, especially knowing that they were

780
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:35.239
<v Speaker 2>a good person, Like if you'd never known them, and

781
00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:36.960
<v Speaker 2>you can imagine that they were an awful person and

782
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.679
<v Speaker 2>that you're better off with out them, and then to

783
00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:40.400
<v Speaker 2>find it actually probably would have been better with them.

784
00:35:41.159 --> 00:35:44.519
<v Speaker 1>M Also, is there a slight parallel there of the

785
00:35:44.639 --> 00:35:47.760
<v Speaker 1>daughter is never going to know her father in the

786
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:49.519
<v Speaker 1>same way that Nadia never knew her mother.

787
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:51.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I assumed it was sort.

788
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Of mirroring that.

789
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:53.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, mirroring it.

790
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.440
<v Speaker 1>We get this whole thing about the radio show. Yeah,

791
00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Dave Lee Travis and Quack Quack Oops.

792
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Group got in for the quiz at the end.

793
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:06.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it was just very relatable what he was

794
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 1>saying about the sundayishness of something making me feel depressed

795
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 1>about the week starting again.

796
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we say recording this on a Sunday.

797
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:18.039
<v Speaker 1>Yes, in our house. It was the Heartbeat theme tune.

798
00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:22.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I'll do it. That was a time

799
00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:24.800
<v Speaker 2>heartbeat that set in the seventies and had about fifteen Christmases.

800
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Obviously another reference to Doreen as a mother.

801
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:38.079
<v Speaker 2>Yep, bigger So she was Aidan's mother. Yeah, so yeah,

802
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 2>hammering at home a bit at this point, I think

803
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:42.239
<v Speaker 2>it would have maybe I don't know whether I personally

804
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:43.920
<v Speaker 2>would have put the same name for all of them,

805
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:46.840
<v Speaker 2>because Bill at the beginning says that you know, says

806
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Dorian and says it's an old person's name or whatever.

807
00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.280
<v Speaker 2>I'd have probably had other d names that sound old,

808
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.639
<v Speaker 2>like Doris or something that maybe on a second view

809
00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:58.719
<v Speaker 2>is obvious, but on a first view isn't maybe quite

810
00:36:58.760 --> 00:36:59.320
<v Speaker 2>so obvious.

811
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:04.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe, Yeah, I guess people people pick things up at

812
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.159
<v Speaker 1>at different speed, And I think on my first watch,

813
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.719
<v Speaker 1>I think when I kept hearing the name Dorian and

814
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:12.519
<v Speaker 1>the connections and stuff I was trying to piece together

815
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>in my head if they were all connected like some

816
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:18.599
<v Speaker 1>sort of family or you know, if his mother Dorian

817
00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:22.679
<v Speaker 1>was also her mother, so maybe their siblings or you know,

818
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to obviously it doesn't work, but trying to put

819
00:37:25.519 --> 00:37:26.760
<v Speaker 1>it together in your head as you go along.

820
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:30.159
<v Speaker 2>See if a family tree could exist with all thosemutations.

821
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:34.599
<v Speaker 1>Because then she'd also be Galen's mother, a family children.

822
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.519
<v Speaker 2>She's somehow they've not got the same awful accent. And

823
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:44.719
<v Speaker 2>at what point did she move to Louisiana?

824
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:51.800
<v Speaker 1>She gets about So then we have Diana m She's sweet, Yeah,

825
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:52.920
<v Speaker 1>a beautiful voice.

826
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.840
<v Speaker 2>It's such a pure so sweet and innocent, and it.

827
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Sort of bleeds into this montage which really gives us

828
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:06.960
<v Speaker 1>strong connection between them all that they're all hearing this yeah.

829
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:08.719
<v Speaker 1>And again when you're watching it for the first time,

830
00:38:08.800 --> 00:38:11.119
<v Speaker 1>I think, like, how are they all hearing this?

831
00:38:11.519 --> 00:38:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Ye? What's going on here?

832
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:16.679
<v Speaker 1>What's connecting them? And also it's a really good song

833
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:19.639
<v Speaker 1>choice because you know, it's very America, it's very popular

834
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.000
<v Speaker 1>in America, so it kind of fits for Galen. And

835
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:24.880
<v Speaker 1>then the funeral thing. He says that we found someone

836
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.400
<v Speaker 1>who's to sing at the funeral, Like that's a very funeral.

837
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Song and isn't it about slavery.

838
00:38:31.159 --> 00:38:31.920
<v Speaker 1>Amazing grace.

839
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:33.119
<v Speaker 2>Am I mixing them up?

840
00:38:33.239 --> 00:38:34.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it rings the bell. Actually no, I

841
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:35.280
<v Speaker 1>think you're right.

842
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:37.639
<v Speaker 2>I think I thought it was, which makes sense that

843
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.920
<v Speaker 2>they're all sort of slaves to Nadia in a way,

844
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:43.320
<v Speaker 2>like they're all just yeah parts of her.

845
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Like, Yeah, it's a nice bit. This is a sort

846
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:50.079
<v Speaker 1>of central pause where we just have a moment, we

847
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>have the song and I don't know if it's exactly

848
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:55.320
<v Speaker 1>halfway through the episode, but it's structurally it's kind of

849
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.719
<v Speaker 1>the midpoint because then we sort of we then mirror

850
00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:01.039
<v Speaker 1>it and go back through the characters that we've seen.

851
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:06.360
<v Speaker 1>So back to Aidan, he's not looking good, no bless him,

852
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.760
<v Speaker 1>hanging on for his daughter, and he's this is where

853
00:39:09.760 --> 00:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>we really get a sense of how protective he is

854
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:14.519
<v Speaker 1>and that he's actually says he would kill for his child,

855
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.119
<v Speaker 1>which his role is revealed at the ends as one

856
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:19.960
<v Speaker 1>of the protectors.

857
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 2>And you can see like in the first in his

858
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.719
<v Speaker 2>first video, how he was kind of a bit upbeat

859
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.039
<v Speaker 2>and like making jokes and trying to be a bit funny,

860
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:30.280
<v Speaker 2>and but at this point he's just kind of he can't. Yeah,

861
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:33.519
<v Speaker 2>it's wrung him out. By now there's not much of

862
00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:40.079
<v Speaker 2>him left. M hm. Then back to Angel mm hmmm.

863
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:44.559
<v Speaker 2>So she's doing a life at this point. Yeah, tick

864
00:39:44.599 --> 00:39:45.239
<v Speaker 2>all the boxes.

865
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I love the bit when she says, I have got

866
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:53.599
<v Speaker 1>to skip to the loo, my darlings. Yeah, I might

867
00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:58.559
<v Speaker 1>start saying that in life. It's just such a great

868
00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:04.000
<v Speaker 1>little wordplay. I mean, yeah, I'd be very camp if

869
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 1>I said that all the time.

870
00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:07.599
<v Speaker 2>You camp never.

871
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Also than usual anyway, So she's talking about she's answering questions,

872
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:18.199
<v Speaker 1>and she's talking about her positive attitude, which again is

873
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:22.239
<v Speaker 1>this I think going back through these people is where

874
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:26.880
<v Speaker 1>we really start to see their roles within Nadia's mind.

875
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they become much more have a purpose each.

876
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:32.719
<v Speaker 1>One, Yes, because she literally says about, you know, you

877
00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:34.559
<v Speaker 1>have to drown out all the negative shit and just

878
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.760
<v Speaker 1>tune into the positive. And that's what her purpose is, yeah.

879
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:41.679
<v Speaker 2>Her reason for existing. Yeah, and then she leaves to

880
00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:45.880
<v Speaker 2>pop to the loo. Oh my god, Gating pops up

881
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:49.920
<v Speaker 2>in the mirror quite terrifying. Yeah, it's such a it's

882
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:53.159
<v Speaker 2>such a horror film trope though, of whenever a mirror moves,

883
00:40:53.199 --> 00:40:55.360
<v Speaker 2>it's always to reveal someone bad. Yeah.

884
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but like he's just been standing there, so like,

885
00:40:59.280 --> 00:41:01.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know they're the same person, but like, yeah,

886
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.480
<v Speaker 1>could she could she see him like before? Or does

887
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:05.280
<v Speaker 1>she not know it was there?

888
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.079
<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess it's like she's left the room. Now

889
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:10.239
<v Speaker 2>it's he's taken over.

890
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Now it's his turn.

891
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so presumably he didn't exist until she left

892
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:14.840
<v Speaker 2>the room.

893
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I guess. I just mean, like ostensibly when you're

894
00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:19.360
<v Speaker 1>watching it and you.

895
00:41:19.360 --> 00:41:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Don't, yeah, because behind the curtain or something.

896
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:26.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's weird. But again, this is like things throughout

897
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:30.119
<v Speaker 1>the episode have gradually been bleeding through into other things,

898
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:33.360
<v Speaker 1>and this is the first time somebody physically crosses from

899
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:36.119
<v Speaker 1>one to the other. Yes, so it's a really like whoa,

900
00:41:36.199 --> 00:41:36.880
<v Speaker 1>what the fuck.

901
00:41:36.840 --> 00:41:40.400
<v Speaker 2>Moment, especially for it to be the two most opposite characters,

902
00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:42.519
<v Speaker 2>like the most us well maybe not the most in

903
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:44.559
<v Speaker 2>us and I guess that'd be Diana, but the most

904
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 2>carefree person. And then this mass murderer.

905
00:41:48.039 --> 00:41:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Interesting. Did you see as well how the little live

906
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:52.960
<v Speaker 1>thing in the top changes to evil?

907
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Did it?

908
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:56.039
<v Speaker 1>He reverses?

909
00:41:56.079 --> 00:42:07.320
<v Speaker 3>And brilliant because what is live backwards?

910
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:11.159
<v Speaker 2>Hearing what is named backwards?

911
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this is where it all kind of comes

912
00:42:21.280 --> 00:42:25.480
<v Speaker 1>out for a bit we get the explanation and the review.

913
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:27.679
<v Speaker 1>This is where we were saying, like, it's just it

914
00:42:27.760 --> 00:42:29.519
<v Speaker 1>gets a bit sort of Okay, now we're going to

915
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:31.199
<v Speaker 1>explain what this episode was about.

916
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Like, I don't think I would have pointed out the

917
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:35.719
<v Speaker 2>anagram name thing.

918
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.840
<v Speaker 1>No, because that's so.

919
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:41.079
<v Speaker 2>It's just a nice thing that you would work out yourself. Yes,

920
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.519
<v Speaker 2>it's like, oh look what we did. Did you spot it?

921
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Exactly?

922
00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:47.119
<v Speaker 2>But she practically says that as well.

923
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:49.480
<v Speaker 1>She literally says did you notice that? She'll you know

924
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:50.639
<v Speaker 1>your name is an anagram?

925
00:42:52.719 --> 00:42:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Did you realize, clever viewer, Yes, oh dear, it's called that.

926
00:42:58.679 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Galen and Angel are one pair of the names.

927
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:02.679
<v Speaker 1>Yes, like that.

928
00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:05.639
<v Speaker 2>There's such an opposite I think it would. I imagine

929
00:43:05.679 --> 00:43:08.079
<v Speaker 2>you probably could have found a name where all five work.

930
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:09.840
<v Speaker 1>You could have had five separate anagrams.

931
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:11.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I imagine you probably could, but you'd have had

932
00:43:11.760 --> 00:43:14.639
<v Speaker 2>one that was something weird and just wouldn't have worked.

933
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:16.519
<v Speaker 1>A Yeah, well, to be fair, I thought Galen was

934
00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:17.119
<v Speaker 1>pretty weird.

935
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:18.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh I don't know.

936
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:20.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've never heard that name before.

937
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I know him as a famous Greek Was he Greek

938
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:27.400
<v Speaker 2>or was he Roman? Like anatomist person? Oh?

939
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, isn't he the one with the like the four

940
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:30.760
<v Speaker 1>humors or whatever it is.

941
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.000
<v Speaker 2>I think so, Yeah, I think it is a relative

942
00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:37.079
<v Speaker 2>like not common, but you know, not uncommon American name.

943
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:39.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, they have some weird names in America, don't they.

944
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I don't think it's that weird in America.

945
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so yeah, this is where we actually get

946
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 1>explicitly said that Nadia's father is Bill and that he

947
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:51.119
<v Speaker 1>killed her mother.

948
00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:52.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

949
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:54.519
<v Speaker 1>So, and then they go through all the characters and

950
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.920
<v Speaker 1>explain their kind of roles in the psychodrama. Yes, Diana

951
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.119
<v Speaker 1>is the child who remember but was told you haven't

952
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:05.000
<v Speaker 1>seen anything. Galen's the persecutor who holds all the self

953
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:06.119
<v Speaker 1>hatred and negativity.

954
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Aiden's the caretaker to look after them and protect them,

955
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.239
<v Speaker 2>and Angels there to reinforce the positivity and.

956
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Try and fight back against Yeah, and then it Nadia

957
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:21.079
<v Speaker 1>sort of points out that the therapist is also part

958
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:23.280
<v Speaker 1>of the system, so she's not actually there.

959
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:26.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. What's her name? She like Narleg or something.

960
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:28.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we never find that out.

961
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:31.320
<v Speaker 2>She's an anagram of Angel and Galen because they only

962
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:31.960
<v Speaker 2>get two names.

963
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:36.239
<v Speaker 1>Although maybe it's this character is someone that Nadia has

964
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:39.880
<v Speaker 1>created as an external because obviously, you know she she

965
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:43.000
<v Speaker 1>says she's the gatekeeper and she sort of organizes everything.

966
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:45.320
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps it would would be helpful in that role to

967
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.840
<v Speaker 1>be sort of slightly outside, which is why we never

968
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:51.519
<v Speaker 1>see her. Yeah, she's sort of above and beyond in a.

969
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Way, she's management.

970
00:44:53.400 --> 00:44:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but yeah, I was. I was confused trying to

971
00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:59.360
<v Speaker 1>work this out. So Nadia's been talking to a camera,

972
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:03.159
<v Speaker 1>which we think is a therapy session. Was the idea

973
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:05.920
<v Speaker 1>that she's doing it on zoom or something or is

974
00:45:05.960 --> 00:45:07.679
<v Speaker 1>she just talking to a camera with the therapist in

975
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the room. Oh, in which case, why is she talking

976
00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:10.960
<v Speaker 1>to a camera?

977
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:13.840
<v Speaker 2>Well? Yeah, because the therapist says about how she's got

978
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:16.719
<v Speaker 2>to record it all so she can spot what's going on. Yes,

979
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:20.320
<v Speaker 2>which doesn't really make sense when the therapist doesn't exist either.

980
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I could understand it if the therapist was like was

981
00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:25.400
<v Speaker 2>real and she'd got to record it all so that

982
00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:27.480
<v Speaker 2>she could watch it back and see what. Yes, you

983
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:28.599
<v Speaker 2>know how she was changing.

984
00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.639
<v Speaker 1>But I think it's I think when we realized that,

985
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:34.800
<v Speaker 1>I think it's that Nadia the therapist, part of Nadia

986
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:37.599
<v Speaker 1>herself was trying to understand what's going on with her

987
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.159
<v Speaker 1>brain right, which is why when it starts to bleed

988
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:44.920
<v Speaker 1>and break down, maybe she is she's starting to understand Yeah,

989
00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:49.679
<v Speaker 1>a bit, I don't know. So she's discovered that her

990
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:53.199
<v Speaker 1>father's come out of prison and she found his dating video,

991
00:45:53.280 --> 00:45:53.679
<v Speaker 1>is that right?

992
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't really know how.

993
00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:00.719
<v Speaker 1>And invited him over on the pretext of a data scenario.

994
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll try and ignore how much he'd presumably had

995
00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:06.199
<v Speaker 2>to say to him beforehand to get him to come over.

996
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

997
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 2>I presumably she's had to be flirty with her own dad,

998
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.400
<v Speaker 2>which is weird enough anyway, let alone the fact that

999
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:16.199
<v Speaker 2>he's everything he's done, but presumably one of the other

1000
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>voices has taken over for that.

1001
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, although she very quickly just immediately just says, oh,

1002
00:46:20.679 --> 00:46:22.000
<v Speaker 1>you know my husband and daughter.

1003
00:46:22.679 --> 00:46:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, and the fact that Bill doesn't seem to

1004
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:26.239
<v Speaker 2>really react to that very much.

1005
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.840
<v Speaker 1>He's just like, oh, whatching, that's all.

1006
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like he doesn't react at all to start with.

1007
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:35.599
<v Speaker 1>Like mind Yeah, but I suppose he wouldn't, would he. Well,

1008
00:46:35.840 --> 00:46:37.960
<v Speaker 1>he might think this is just a.

1009
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:39.360
<v Speaker 2>How we roll now have been in prison for the

1010
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.960
<v Speaker 2>last twenty years, who knows what happens. Yeah, but I

1011
00:46:42.960 --> 00:46:44.800
<v Speaker 2>do enjoy when you see him walking up the path

1012
00:46:44.880 --> 00:46:47.320
<v Speaker 2>behind her, Yes, and like it becomes more than just

1013
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:50.000
<v Speaker 2>her and a camera, like the outside world exists.

1014
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that is cool. The timing, yeah, yeah, very good.

1015
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:58.920
<v Speaker 2>And then she just kills him but as Galen as Galen.

1016
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, and it's all in one cut as well.

1017
00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:06.199
<v Speaker 2>So I'm imagining Maxine Peek just running around the back

1018
00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:07.920
<v Speaker 2>of the house or something to appear on the other

1019
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:08.880
<v Speaker 2>side of the archway.

1020
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:12.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well you say that he disappears behind the thing,

1021
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:14.239
<v Speaker 1>so they could easily have cut that so.

1022
00:47:14.280 --> 00:47:16.119
<v Speaker 2>That I suppose there's no one in frame, is there,

1023
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:18.119
<v Speaker 2>So I guess, yeah, they could.

1024
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:20.199
<v Speaker 1>Have That's probably how they did it, But yeah, I.

1025
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:21.079
<v Speaker 2>Prefer my idea.

1026
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:23.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, y're it's funny.

1027
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:26.639
<v Speaker 2>They're ducking under a window in the background of the shot.

1028
00:47:27.400 --> 00:47:29.639
<v Speaker 1>And it's not I mean, surely it's not supposed to

1029
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:31.840
<v Speaker 1>be funny, but the bit when he suddenly runs across

1030
00:47:31.840 --> 00:47:34.880
<v Speaker 1>the room with the knife, it kind of amuses me.

1031
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.159
<v Speaker 1>I think it's that. I think it's that it's like,

1032
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:41.239
<v Speaker 1>you know that archway and he sort of appears from

1033
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:42.840
<v Speaker 1>one side of it and crosses to the other side

1034
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:50.920
<v Speaker 1>of it very quickly. It's just quite comical to me. Yeah,

1035
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.880
<v Speaker 1>and then we have that shot with all the personalities

1036
00:47:53.880 --> 00:47:55.199
<v Speaker 1>sort of gathered around his body.

1037
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:55.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1038
00:47:56.559 --> 00:47:59.239
<v Speaker 1>Apparently they originally had it so that they all walked

1039
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:01.639
<v Speaker 1>in one by one and stood there, right, But that

1040
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:05.000
<v Speaker 1>was just clunky, right, so they just yeah, cut it

1041
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:07.280
<v Speaker 1>to that just one shot, which is better, I think.

1042
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:08.320
<v Speaker 2>So yeah.

1043
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Interesting that also the way they've got them arranged, they

1044
00:48:11.320 --> 00:48:13.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of all look the same height, which is a

1045
00:48:14.079 --> 00:48:15.119
<v Speaker 1>nice touch.

1046
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.320
<v Speaker 2>And then they all fade away because I guess in

1047
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:20.719
<v Speaker 2>a way their job's done. Like she can maybe move

1048
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:22.199
<v Speaker 2>on at this point, or that's the hint that she

1049
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:22.719
<v Speaker 2>maybe can.

1050
00:48:23.280 --> 00:48:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know, actually I haven't thought about that.

1051
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:27.639
<v Speaker 2>At which point, she's like, can the murder a police

1052
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:28.920
<v Speaker 2>stay to help me get rid of the body?

1053
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah? Because okay, so this house that this has

1054
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.119
<v Speaker 1>taken place in, that really is Nadia's house where she

1055
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:38.199
<v Speaker 1>lives with her husband and daughter.

1056
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:41.519
<v Speaker 2>I seem so yeah, So yeah, I mean.

1057
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>What's life like for them with the mother who's going

1058
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:48.760
<v Speaker 1>into these different personalities. Why is she not in some

1059
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.079
<v Speaker 1>sort of institution?

1060
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.559
<v Speaker 2>Well maybe for all we know, like it could be like,

1061
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, the husband has left that the dought's

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<v Speaker 2>been taken into care, she is in a mental institution

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<v Speaker 2>and like she's just imagining it.

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<v Speaker 1>Or who knows what, like oh maybe, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>None of this might have happened. She might just be

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<v Speaker 2>tied to a bed somewhere talking to herself for all

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<v Speaker 2>we know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but then, as I always say, like that, we

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<v Speaker 1>would have been shown that as well. Maybe yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>But the husband could be like talking to psychologists and

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<v Speaker 2>all sorts for all. Yeah, yeah, he's going through a

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<v Speaker 2>whole other episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hm. So I mean there's lots to like about it,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Yeah, it just it's a bit disappointing and

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00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:33.280
<v Speaker 1>clunky the way it sort of gets over explained at

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<v Speaker 1>the end, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Yeah, it's just it's just hammers it too far home.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>We already figured it out, even if even if you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't figure it out at that point, like you didn't

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<v Speaker 2>need that many explanations for it. No, it's not a

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00:49:47.960 --> 00:49:52.239
<v Speaker 2>particularly original idea anyway. No, No, I think they do

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<v Speaker 2>them a lot better in other episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I wonder if this might have worked better

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<v Speaker 1>if it had been a longer, Like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>the longest episode of TV or even a film.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know if you could have sustained it,

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00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.960
<v Speaker 2>though I didn't see why not. I mean, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>sustain it where you don't know what's going one keep

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<v Speaker 2>the resolution hidden for longer. I don't know. That is

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<v Speaker 2>the bonus of their twenty nine and a half minutes,

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00:50:16.960 --> 00:50:20.119
<v Speaker 2>that even if the resolution is obvious, you can maybe

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<v Speaker 2>hide it for twenty for half an hour, but for

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<v Speaker 2>an hour and a half two hours is much harder. Yeah,

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00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:33.480
<v Speaker 2>so rating rating, mm, I've enjoyed it more discussing it

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<v Speaker 2>with you, I think it wasn't one that I particularly

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00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:40.239
<v Speaker 2>remembered that fondly. I think I'm thinking of five. Oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I think how about you?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I was torn between her three and a four. Okay,

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00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.840
<v Speaker 1>again looking at what I've given other things and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to slot it in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe I'm a bit generous, I think. No, I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm going to go four four.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I thought five was a bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'm saying a three, not to say I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And we enjoy all of them exactly. There's a

1109
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Speaker 2>couple that we don't. But barring a couple even the

1110
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:10.559
<v Speaker 2>lowest ones are still good exactly.

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00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:12.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at film saying a three. I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 1>other threes, which I gave last gasp in the understudy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that feels like a similar level.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sounds good.

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00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:23.920
<v Speaker 1>They're not bad, not the worst, just could have been better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So do you spot the hair this week?

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00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:31.119
<v Speaker 1>I did? Well, it was It was kind of blurry,

1118
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:35.719
<v Speaker 1>but it was I saw it on Angel's shelves behind her.

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00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 2>And did you spot the other hair?

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<v Speaker 1>There's another hair?

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00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:44.719
<v Speaker 2>There is indeed, Okay, you can sort of see it

1122
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.880
<v Speaker 2>to the right of Nadia. It's like hidden behind a

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00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:50.239
<v Speaker 2>plant pop. You just see sort of its ears and

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00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:54.079
<v Speaker 2>it's ok. And did you see the other hair?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, there's another one? Is there one in every single?

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00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Not quite? There is another one that you can sort

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00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.760
<v Speaker 2>of see in Aiden's second video. It's with all of

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00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:08.360
<v Speaker 2>his pills and stuff. Oh okay, there isn't one in

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00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Galen's because I think it's just been impossible obviously for

1130
00:52:11.480 --> 00:52:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Diana as well. It would be really hard, but it

1131
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.199
<v Speaker 2>just makes sense for Bills because he's not the same person.

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00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:17.320
<v Speaker 2>So the whole their whole point was that they wanted

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00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.440
<v Speaker 2>bits of it to be visible in each of them.

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00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's clever.

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00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:24.719
<v Speaker 2>And Galen and Angel are sort of the same flips

1136
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:26.079
<v Speaker 2>of them, so you can sort of say that it's

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00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:28.199
<v Speaker 2>in Galen's because it's in Angels and he appears in

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00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:29.159
<v Speaker 2>the one with Angel.

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00:52:29.559 --> 00:52:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah that makes sense.

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00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:33.199
<v Speaker 2>And Diana's kind of a bit of a smaller role anyway,

1141
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:35.280
<v Speaker 2>so I guess, yeah, yeah, you can get away with it.

1142
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:37.440
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, you never see it in in full. You

1143
00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:40.000
<v Speaker 2>see bits of it in the same way that you

1144
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:43.000
<v Speaker 2>see bits of them. Should I quite like cool?

1145
00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well there we go. I thought, I thought I've

1146
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 1>done a good thing and spotted it, but and he

1147
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:49.480
<v Speaker 1>spotted one out of three.

1148
00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:54.239
<v Speaker 2>I spotted the the one with Nadia, and then later

1149
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:56.159
<v Speaker 2>spotted the Angel one, and I was like, oh, I

1150
00:52:56.199 --> 00:53:00.639
<v Speaker 2>wonder if they're everywhere. I didn't see the Reach one,

1151
00:53:00.760 --> 00:53:02.639
<v Speaker 2>but from a Google said that was the only one

1152
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:03.119
<v Speaker 2>I was missing.

1153
00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:04.599
<v Speaker 1>Well there we go.

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00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so see if you can spot our hair in

1155
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:09.880
<v Speaker 2>this episode as well for yours.

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00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:14.679
<v Speaker 1>Indeed, we will let you know where it was next week. Yes, indeed,

1157
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:18.119
<v Speaker 1>we're coming towards the end. But it's time to read

1158
00:53:18.159 --> 00:53:18.960
<v Speaker 1>out another message.

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00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Ah.

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00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:24.360
<v Speaker 1>So this one came in from Memet on YouTube. He says,

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<v Speaker 1>listening from Turkey, the work you do and your insights

1162
00:53:28.199 --> 00:53:30.480
<v Speaker 1>are so so valuable for the future of this series

1163
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:33.199
<v Speaker 1>and forgetting it the attention it deserves. I'm really glad

1164
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:35.239
<v Speaker 1>to be a follower of yours from Turkey. I look

1165
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:36.920
<v Speaker 1>forward to enjoying the rest of the episodes.

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00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Ah, we have international fans, we do apparently. Oh thanks, mamittte.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's really sweet, isn't it that because we

1168
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:47.159
<v Speaker 1>always say that, well, you particularly say that the series

1169
00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:48.639
<v Speaker 1>doesn't get the recognition it deserves.

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00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:50.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it does. No, I think it gets

1171
00:53:50.800 --> 00:53:52.320
<v Speaker 2>a lot of recognition, but oh.

1172
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it should have more. Yeah, So to be

1173
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:58.760
<v Speaker 1>a small part of trying to boost that, yeah is good.

1174
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Like I feel everyone knows Black Mirror, for example, but

1175
00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the amount of people I tell about this that they've

1176
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.679
<v Speaker 2>never heard of it before, I feel they should be

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00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:07.440
<v Speaker 2>on a similar level.

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<v Speaker 1>Mmm.

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00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:11.000
<v Speaker 2>So oh that was lovely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you, mamette.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thank you.

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00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.239
<v Speaker 1>It's the last episode of the series next week.

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00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:18.639
<v Speaker 2>It is. It's one of my favorites as well. Okay,

1184
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:19.599
<v Speaker 2>excited for this one.

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00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.719
<v Speaker 1>Good, good, good, And we'll have a little quiz as well.

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00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh, yes, every series. I started with good intentions of

1187
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:27.800
<v Speaker 2>when I in my notes, I write.

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00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Write the question each week.

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00:54:28.920 --> 00:54:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we ever do it on week one and two

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00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:35.840
<v Speaker 2>at best forget by the end. Okay, but we will

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00:54:35.840 --> 00:54:38.679
<v Speaker 2>be back for episode six, the stakeout next week.

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00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:42.360
<v Speaker 1>We will be until then. I think it's time to

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00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:43.599
<v Speaker 1>close the door on number nine.

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00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:46.559
<v Speaker 2>But you never leave, do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for listening to the Ninth Degree. If you'd like

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00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:59.559
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