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Speaker 1: Big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to
Speaker 1: mister Ben Freed from Bigfoot Ops today. He's an individual,
Speaker 1: he's a bigfoot researcher. He's spent nearly fifteen years tracking
Speaker 1: studying documentary evidence of bigfoot in the area around Mount
Speaker 1: Rainier but you know, kind of near Ashford, Washington, and
Speaker 1: he's had so many credible things happen. He's got a
Speaker 1: team that's out there looking for evidence. They have multiple
Speaker 1: research sites. There's a ton of things for us to
Speaker 1: talk about today. But welcome to the show, Beny.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Dearm, I appreciate it absolutely.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've sent me a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of really interesting things. But I want us first to
Speaker 1: focus on what got you into bigfoot to begin with,
Speaker 1: and what kind of things have you experienced in this
Speaker 1: area outside of Mount Rainier.
Speaker 3: Well, it started all off as accidental, actually because I
Speaker 3: didn't have any prior I wasn't a big foot fan
Speaker 3: prior to tals intended really believe in it, or you know,
Speaker 3: a navig skeptic, I should say, But I actually had
Speaker 3: an encounter on twenty team with my granddaughter when I
Speaker 3: was out there fishing. I think believe this was June
Speaker 3: twenty fifth, twenty ten. It was about eight degrees out,
Speaker 3: it was ten thirty in the morning, and reman the
Speaker 3: two creatures out there. I didn't get to see these creatures,
Speaker 3: but I.
Speaker 2: Did hear them at the time. I was just starting.
Speaker 3: We were trying to find a fishing spot and I
Speaker 3: hadn't been up in that area at all, so I
Speaker 3: wasn't familiar with the landscape out there, so I was
Speaker 3: actually trying to get down the river and we were
Speaker 3: down in a little ravine at the time, and what
Speaker 3: I can remember about it is that, like I said,
Speaker 3: it was a nice sunny day, pretty warm out and everything,
Speaker 3: and then we were.
Speaker 2: Hearing birds and insects, the whole works.
Speaker 3: Anyway, as I was walking through there, just like everything
Speaker 3: went completely quiet, like somebody with the light switch, and
Speaker 3: didn't hear any kind of birds, any kind of sounds,
Speaker 3: not the normal four sounds that you would hear and everything.
Speaker 3: But I started hearing a gurgling sound and I thought, well,
Speaker 3: that's kind of streaming.
Speaker 2: What is that?
Speaker 3: And then it was preceded by screams I'm seeing from
Speaker 3: a single creature is probably within three hundred three hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty feet in this heavy brushed.
Speaker 2: Area, and I thought, wow, what is that.
Speaker 3: So this went on for like five minutes or so,
Speaker 3: and everything and that says, wow, I just got my
Speaker 3: curiosity up. So I tried to get up back up
Speaker 3: on top of it, out of this ravine to see
Speaker 3: what it was. And I could hear a lot of
Speaker 3: branch breaking and stuff like that going on, and I
Speaker 3: got up behind a tree and I said, well, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna look on you and see what this is coming
Speaker 3: out of there.
Speaker 2: And as I was standing there about.
Speaker 3: I would say probably about thirty four or five seconds
Speaker 3: or whatever, I actually got another sound from my left
Speaker 3: another creature start screaming and everything in These two creatures
Speaker 3: sound like they were screaming to each other at the time.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was communication or what they exacted.
Speaker 2: Were doing, but they didn't know we were there.
Speaker 3: I actually actually got on the phone and says, oh,
Speaker 3: you got to go. I tried to call my son
Speaker 3: let him hear this because it was so loud, and
Speaker 3: like I said, it sounded like a woman screaming out
Speaker 3: there and everything, and I knew that's what it wasn't
Speaker 3: the human.
Speaker 2: This sounded weird at the time.
Speaker 3: And as I was trying to do this, my uh
Speaker 3: don't my son was actually taking anap and she wouldn't
Speaker 3: wake him up or whatever.
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of frustrated with that.
Speaker 3: And he's screaming, is getting louder, getting closer to me
Speaker 3: and everything. And as this was going on, my well,
Speaker 3: my granddaughter started crying and everything, and it kind of
Speaker 3: alerted them to our presence there. And then they just
Speaker 3: stopped screaming, just instantaneous and then they just actually ran off,
Speaker 3: and so that was my encounter. I'm going, wow, I
Speaker 3: never got to see what it was, but at the
Speaker 3: time I thought back of mind, I said, wow, that's
Speaker 3: nothing I've ever heard of it before, and kind of
Speaker 3: elk or anything like that.
Speaker 2: So I assumed it was, to come to mind, was bigfoot.
Speaker 2: And I actually lost.
Speaker 3: Like four days sleep over that this particular incident trying
Speaker 3: to figure out what it was and everything. So I
Speaker 3: called BFRO got in contact with Scott Tiler and he
Speaker 3: come out there, I think it was bout a week later,
Speaker 3: and we actually found some seventeen inch tracks, a lot
Speaker 3: of branch breaks and stuff like that, and you kind
Speaker 3: of verified that, yeah, that's he thinks it was bigfoot.
Speaker 3: So anyway, it was regarding that incident, and then I
Speaker 3: spent from that just built it kind of got my
Speaker 3: curiosity going. So I thought, well, I'll go out here
Speaker 3: and try to see if I can find whatever this is.
Speaker 3: Because he was talking about bigfoots so much said. I
Speaker 3: was kind of like, well, okay, I'll probably go out
Speaker 3: here and find bigfoot two weeks whatever, get some pictures,
Speaker 3: you know, just like the regular vocal as everybody else
Speaker 3: talks about. But I spent end up spending about almost
Speaker 3: two years out there tracking these creatures. And at that time,
Speaker 3: in this particular area, there's a bridge washed out my
Speaker 3: National Pond by Ashford, and you couldn't get across the
Speaker 3: bridge because it was washed out from a prior storm
Speaker 3: I think in seventy two or something like that. The
Speaker 3: tracks and everything would always come across the river in
Speaker 3: this particular area, and that it would come in, it
Speaker 3: would come and.
Speaker 2: Go across this river area.
Speaker 3: So I had to get around to the other apartment
Speaker 3: and I had to go away on the other side
Speaker 3: of Ashford, and it took almost two years to get
Speaker 3: around there to finally find this road. It goes back
Speaker 3: up in there, and uh, as I got over there,
Speaker 3: finally I started, I found a particular site over there,
Speaker 3: which I call Charlie.
Speaker 2: This took two years later.
Speaker 3: By the way I was out there, and how I
Speaker 3: found this particular area was I was out there about
Speaker 3: seven o'clock in the morning and I had just stopped
Speaker 3: and it's a it's.
Speaker 2: An area there was some prior logging in there.
Speaker 3: It was it wasn't a really thick brush or whatever
Speaker 3: should say, forested area. But it had like a little
Speaker 3: clear cut and it had been done probably five years
Speaker 3: prior or whatever. There was just some heavy pine trees
Speaker 3: out there and whatever. Then get back my story or
Speaker 3: start rambling. As I got went to go out this
Speaker 3: picture spot, like I said, it goes up into a
Speaker 3: flat area where they flogged out and it's a it
Speaker 3: was an old platform released uh pulled the logs in
Speaker 3: there and they would stack them in that particular area. Anyway,
Speaker 3: the road divides up in two different ways between one
Speaker 3: goes east, one goes west, and they only go in
Speaker 3: there about one hundred and fifty feet I guess, and
Speaker 3: then it stops, so it kind of dead ends at.
Speaker 2: The end of a both sides of the road.
Speaker 3: Anyway, as I stopped and got out of the truck,
Speaker 3: I thought I heard knocks. I heard three repetitive knocks,
Speaker 3: and I thought, wow, I was weird. Maybe I'm hearing things.
Speaker 3: So I opened my door and get out, and as
Speaker 3: I'm standing there by the truck, I heard three more
Speaker 3: successions of knocks, bang, bang, bang. Three outcomes flying out
Speaker 3: of the brush right by my truck, right right in
Speaker 3: front of me, probably within fifty feet, and they were
Speaker 3: hitting west and they were running west. I hear this
Speaker 3: bang bang bang again, and they changed direction, went across.
Speaker 2: The road in front of the front of my truck.
Speaker 3: And they went back about seventy five feet or whatever
Speaker 3: around here, bang bang, banging again a wood knox, and
Speaker 3: they changed direction and went straight east.
Speaker 2: So I thought, wow, that was kind of weird.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I went back in there, looked around, didn't
Speaker 3: see anything, and decided to go back there that night.
Speaker 3: I went back there approachmately eight o'clock at night, and
Speaker 3: I says, well, I'm gonna go out there and see
Speaker 3: what's going on. So anyway, I stopped, I went and
Speaker 3: took my wife with me. The first time you hear
Speaker 3: I went with me out there in two years. And
Speaker 3: we went to the west end of the camp, the
Speaker 3: site which we call Charlie Site now. And as I
Speaker 3: got out of the car at that time and didn't
Speaker 3: take my truck anyway, got out and I was there
Speaker 3: just pulling around for five minutes and I smoke. So
Speaker 3: I was sitting there smoking a cigarette and everything, and
Speaker 3: I was just listening. There was a Mexico out there
Speaker 3: was dark at that time February, and I started hearing
Speaker 3: whining sounds, and I thought, what, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 3: So I did a couple of whoops, and then I
Speaker 3: started getting some replies from At this time, now I
Speaker 3: know they were juveniles. Then I didn't know what that was.
Speaker 3: So this went on for a few minutes. I would
Speaker 3: whoop and they would start to singing or whatever, which is.
Speaker 2: Is typical for juveniles.
Speaker 3: And I think it was I it's five minutes or so,
Speaker 3: and then we started hearing a scream come off the
Speaker 3: hill of something. I would say it was a female
Speaker 3: at that time. Sounded like a woman screaming. I mean
Speaker 3: it was. She was like bluddy murder screaming. And you
Speaker 3: could hear come down off the top of the hill brushing,
Speaker 3: you know, trees are cracking, branches are breaking. It sounds
Speaker 3: like a bulldozer was coming off the hill and she
Speaker 3: was flying down there. And as I was standing there
Speaker 3: and like I said, piece of black, can't see your
Speaker 3: hand in front of your face, I started hearing brush
Speaker 3: movement coming in from all the dreggings around around the car,
Speaker 3: and I was hearing growling and gruntings. It's the same
Speaker 3: time she's still screaming. I would say she was probably
Speaker 3: doing this for twenty minutes or so as we're standing there,
Speaker 3: and I started hearing brush being pulled up being thrown.
Speaker 2: At the car. You know, I here gravel hitting all
Speaker 2: over the top of the car.
Speaker 3: It's hitting me. I could hear stuff being thrown up
Speaker 3: over the top of my head, you know, along with
Speaker 3: the brush, pieces of log rocks. Everything was flying around
Speaker 3: me at this time. And then, like I said, you
Speaker 3: start hearing all these other screams coming on at the
Speaker 3: same time. So there's quite a few creatures out there
Speaker 3: at this time, and the skirt the hell out of me.
Speaker 3: I actually tried to get back in the car, and
Speaker 3: my wife actually locked the doors wouldn't be in, so
Speaker 3: I kind of basically had to deal with this out there.
Speaker 2: She was actually terrified, so.
Speaker 3: It was that was an interesting encounter, and everything just
Speaker 3: went on for probably before they calmed down, I would say,
Speaker 3: like twenty five minutes. And I said, there didn't make
Speaker 3: any more sounds or roops.
Speaker 2: Or whatever, because I thought I'd bid off.
Speaker 3: Moren neck and chew, and I thought I was actually
Speaker 3: gonna get pretty heard out there. I'm trying to remember
Speaker 3: all the whole instance because there's been some mis stuff
Speaker 3: going on out there. As they calmed down, and you
Speaker 3: actuaid that you can still hear these juveniles vocalizing and stuff.
Speaker 2: Ever so often.
Speaker 3: They kind of settled down and they were just some
Speaker 3: sounded like chatter out there, and I guess they were
Speaker 3: sound like people talking, but I couldn't understand what they
Speaker 3: were saying because it was it wasn't like an English
Speaker 3: language or whatever.
Speaker 2: It was just people, you know, and then you know whatever.
Speaker 2: I finally get convinced.
Speaker 3: My wife to get out of the cars because she
Speaker 3: she was still thinking, uh, this female out there there
Speaker 3: was there was a woman out there being hurt, because
Speaker 3: the screams were like and it sounded exactly identical to
Speaker 3: a woman screaming out there, buddy murder. I'm hyped up
Speaker 3: on top. I'm trying to just little down here.
Speaker 2: Anyway.
Speaker 3: It's I'm telling her every since for like an hour
Speaker 3: and stuff. Who gets too here? All this talking going
Speaker 3: on and branches breaking out there, And I was trying
Speaker 3: to convince my wife that that, yeah, there's nobody yells
Speaker 3: out here, just late at night. And I took her,
Speaker 3: got back in the car. We took her down the
Speaker 3: road there and down by the creek. There's a creek
Speaker 3: down there. And as we got out and I said, see,
Speaker 3: there's nobody here to shore, there's nobody around here in
Speaker 3: this area. And they said there's no winning or anybody
Speaker 3: else sitting around and just brushed this late at night,
Speaker 3: you know, making these noises or whatever. So anyway, as
Speaker 3: we got to the car, we could they actually followed
Speaker 3: this over these creatures. And we're only talking like a
Speaker 3: quarter mile or whatever drive down there. They they were
Speaker 3: making all kinds of noises still down by the creek
Speaker 3: value where we were at. So I dealt with that
Speaker 3: for probably fifteen twenty minutes, and I says, you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be back in the car and we'll just
Speaker 3: go ahead and go because he started getting all riled
Speaker 3: up again.
Speaker 1: Big side, who will be right back after these messages?
Speaker 3: So anyway, that's how we found Charlie site, and that's
Speaker 3: where we started from there.
Speaker 2: That's where I started.
Speaker 3: Researching from basically expanded out from there to we have
Speaker 3: seven sites now.
Speaker 2: From expanding from Charlie.
Speaker 3: But I've had so many instances happened at charity over
Speaker 3: the years.
Speaker 2: But let me back it up here.
Speaker 3: In twenty thirteen, which is the same time as incidents.
Speaker 3: They were from February to August. They were really a
Speaker 3: vocal group out there. I mean every weekend we went
Speaker 3: out there, just went on for hours where they were
Speaker 3: calling back and forth and you could hear these creatures
Speaker 3: communicate all the time out there, which since then it's
Speaker 3: turned down from I think I remembers August September August thirtieth.
Speaker 3: I think it was our last big time. I heard
Speaker 3: the group out there vocalizing and chuck ads and actually
Speaker 3: get the recording member. The last night we heard that
Speaker 3: stuff out there, which is typical for this picture group.
Speaker 3: But I believe the group moved on to the Northeast
Speaker 3: Rainier over there. I know you said that saying that
Speaker 3: is it's because somebody else recorded something similar to their
Speaker 3: sounds I heard in twenty fifteen. I got was sharing
Speaker 3: some of the stuff. I said, yes, sounds exactly that
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: Hearing out there. But occasionally we get these vocals or whatever.
Speaker 1: So I want to jump I want to jump in
Speaker 1: back something. The other day. It's so when I was
Speaker 1: listening to your sounds that you sent over, I have
Speaker 1: the same thought. I was, like, I've heard this same
Speaker 1: stuff from individuals kind of yeah in the very near
Speaker 1: area at the time that sent it to me. This
Speaker 1: is like a year and a half ago, two years ago,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh man, it's the same deal.
Speaker 2: This.
Speaker 1: So this Charlie area, how many how big do you
Speaker 1: think is the group they have in there?
Speaker 3: Then well the group is Committee Samson. This bigger group
Speaker 3: like I'm talking about, moved to the northeast in right
Speaker 3: now in this peculia, there's a new group of moving
Speaker 3: into a smaller group was probably like four or five individuals.
Speaker 2: At that time.
Speaker 3: That group, there was probably over ten individuals in that
Speaker 3: group that moved. Now the area went yeah, the area
Speaker 3: went quiet. I can't say it went quiet. But we
Speaker 3: had a single individual that we recorded for years. Just
Speaker 3: believe it was a male and it's a juvenile. We
Speaker 3: know that, I think in twenty seventeen that's the one
Speaker 3: I actually seen him, but we recorded him until just recently,
Speaker 3: I believe last year. We know there's another group in
Speaker 3: there now because we've picked up juveniles. A male which
Speaker 3: we believe is the same individual, has been there. He's
Speaker 3: much bigger now those individuals eight fort two inches. But
Speaker 3: when you want to see him in twenty seventeen, by
Speaker 3: the way. So but the group is, like I said,
Speaker 3: the group moving there out of these areas. I can't say, well,
Speaker 3: they're not really moving out because I said they were
Speaker 3: always there. It's difficult to explain. But you know, this
Speaker 3: big main group is not there anymore that they were
Speaker 3: really boke. We're not getting vocalizations like that anymore at
Speaker 3: all since twoy fifteen, kind of just kind of we
Speaker 3: might get a long call or whatever, and you'll see
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. When you play your recordings, I
Speaker 3: know you've heard them already.
Speaker 1: So absolutely so you've had actual visual sightings in this, uh,
Speaker 1: this Charlie area.
Speaker 2: I've had one to Charlie.
Speaker 3: I've had one at Yankee, and I've had one on
Speaker 3: over by National. The one of Yankee was the closest,
Speaker 3: the one to Charlie. I'll explaining Charlie. It was actually
Speaker 3: it was in July.
Speaker 2: I believe it was. Oh, I got my notes whatever,
Speaker 2: but I know it was in July.
Speaker 3: I had Scott Taylor there would bf RO and we
Speaker 3: had been doing some researching out there and I had
Speaker 3: took him up the top of the other there's a
Speaker 3: big giant hill at the base of this site.
Speaker 2: And runs up about.
Speaker 3: Twenty five three thousand thousand feet I believe in elevation.
Speaker 3: But we were up there on top of the hill
Speaker 3: looking around most they we found a lot of prints
Speaker 3: up there. Remember Scott just tell me. He says, Oh,
Speaker 3: I can't believe there does so many prints and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. And he says, I've never seen so many. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's old news to me. And I said, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've been telling you how all along. It's got there
Speaker 3: all over out here. Anyway, we went on to the
Speaker 3: site and to Delta, and I took him down there
Speaker 3: and let him see that site in that area and stuff.
Speaker 3: And he's found some interesting stuff there. And we come
Speaker 3: back to site and it was late evening, I think
Speaker 3: it was around nine o'clock or whatever, and he had
Speaker 3: set up a tent and stuff out there, and I
Speaker 3: was about ready to just before dark. I always set
Speaker 3: my equipment, recording equipment before dark. Anyway, I told Scottie
Speaker 3: I had to get out here and set this equipment
Speaker 3: or whatever. And as I did that, I would grab
Speaker 3: two parabolics and I had one new hand and I
Speaker 3: was heading out to the east of Charlie to set
Speaker 3: these up, and it was kind of.
Speaker 2: Like misty out there. Get a lot of ring here.
Speaker 3: So and as I was trying to across these dead
Speaker 3: fall branches are on the ground, Like I said, it
Speaker 3: was an old logging site and everything I was slipping
Speaker 3: and sliding on these branches and everything I noticed off
Speaker 3: to my left I had caught a side of some
Speaker 3: movement over there, and I kind of stopped and looked
Speaker 3: over there, and actually seeing the creature was actually like exaderate.
Speaker 3: This about four foot.
Speaker 2: Wide or whatever.
Speaker 3: And he standing behind the tree was probably a twelve
Speaker 3: bench diamond tree, and he was trying to hide behind there.
Speaker 3: And as I was standing watching, I could see.
Speaker 2: His foot there's leg stepped back and he actually.
Speaker 3: Stepped on a branch. I could hear a crack, really
Speaker 3: a loud and he stepped and stopped, and then he
Speaker 3: turned around, peeked around the tree, looked right at.
Speaker 2: Me, and he just had to just to kind of
Speaker 2: look on his face.
Speaker 3: But anyway, he looked down at the ground like where
Speaker 3: he stopped like and looked back up at me like,
Speaker 3: oh crap, I know this is an exaggeration. He just
Speaker 3: kind of like looked at me and just did that.
Speaker 3: He pushed off the tree. He flew about twenty feet
Speaker 3: over and all I could see his feet actually on
Speaker 3: the back part of it, and he went down on
Speaker 3: all fours and he zipped over to the east, you know,
Speaker 3: like unbelievable speed, and he went back in the brush
Speaker 3: and he kind of mat his back there breaking branches
Speaker 3: for a couple hours or whatever. So I kind of
Speaker 3: stood there for a minute, kind of like them found
Speaker 3: it and going wow, what just look at you know,
Speaker 3: because I only had about I would probably say, ten
Speaker 3: or fifteen seconds of really looking at the creature before
Speaker 3: it went down on old force and took off. So
Speaker 3: had kind of just high tailed up and talked to Scott, say, hey, Scott,
Speaker 3: I believe that this actually just seen one out here.
Speaker 3: So he grabbed his thermal, came in and he ran
Speaker 3: out there and he was standing on the stop looking around,
Speaker 3: and I said, well, you can still hear it back there,
Speaker 3: because it's still making a lot of racket back there, breaking.
Speaker 2: Branches and stuff.
Speaker 3: And Scott had said, well, do you want to go
Speaker 3: in there, and she'd begining on the thermally he says, no, no,
Speaker 3: my mane went back to the tent and you'll probably
Speaker 3: come back around, but that was my first sighting of
Speaker 3: it at that time, being dark and every danced over
Speaker 3: and there you go back in the rushing hardy to
Speaker 3: do whatever. And actually had another researcher show up there.
Speaker 3: I think it was probably about ten o'clock and everything,
Speaker 3: and I was telling him about the sighting out there,
Speaker 3: and you can still hear cracking branches. I mean this
Speaker 3: as they stayed up back there, like two or three hours.
Speaker 3: It was back there and it just stood there and
Speaker 3: broke brush and I can hear vocal lives for once
Speaker 3: in a while. I actually have recordings of that, and it
Speaker 3: was actually mimicking like a little while thing.
Speaker 2: Which they do a lot.
Speaker 3: To me, Like I said, this is so long ago,
Speaker 3: it's not a really big deal to me. Now he
Speaker 3: says that to being up for so many years. Sorry
Speaker 3: for not making southing like, oh, it's so excited it
Speaker 3: to me, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's just the one miny of you had out there.
Speaker 1: So now, I mean, meanwhile, over here, it is blowing
Speaker 1: my mind. I mean, like, so I've never experienced a
Speaker 1: visual or anything like all these things you're sharing. I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: this Charlie area is absolutely wild, or it was back
Speaker 1: in the day.
Speaker 2: Correct, No, it's still it's still fifty wild.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll make it up to the point where we
Speaker 3: had something happen out there last year. It was kind
Speaker 3: of a funny incident. Yeah, because we still a year
Speaker 3: after year after year, and I'm going out there in
Speaker 3: a couple of days again too. So I tried to
Speaker 3: get out there once or twice a week. We still
Speaker 3: record activity out there. It's just like to me, it
Speaker 3: says all the stuff has been done for myself anyway,
Speaker 3: because we're not trying to get anything or trying to
Speaker 3: prove the exist You have sit here and try to
Speaker 3: you know, argue with people all the time. So I
Speaker 3: don't try to get in that part of it. I
Speaker 3: say the politics a big foot, this stuff is done
Speaker 3: for ourselves to find our own answers, and we've run
Speaker 3: across some interesting stuff. So again here, I don't want
Speaker 3: to get jumping all over the place.
Speaker 1: No, but then I think that's a good I think
Speaker 1: that's a good idea to maybe talk about that for
Speaker 1: a females. So big Foot ops is primarily just to
Speaker 1: get answers for yourself in the members of the group.
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 2: Right? And I share with other groups.
Speaker 3: We share any kind of information we get with other
Speaker 3: groups if they show a serious thing, really interest in
Speaker 3: the field itself, if they want you know, people just
Speaker 3: want to go out and have any encounter, as I
Speaker 3: call it, an experience. I've taken people out there where
Speaker 3: they can have that experience. But if they really don't
Speaker 3: show an interest, we really don't like sharing information because
Speaker 3: it's not it doesn't I'm trying to think the word.
Speaker 3: It shows me that they're not showing enough interest in it.
Speaker 3: I want to find any kind of real answers. They
Speaker 3: just want to again have that experience. They want to
Speaker 3: hear the vocalizations and all that kind of good stuff.
Speaker 3: And that's about it. You know, I call it dinner
Speaker 3: in the show. They want to sit out there and
Speaker 3: give them a dinner in the show is basically what
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 1: That's hilarious, Ben, But it's so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, people, it drives me crazy because you know people
Speaker 3: have when we talk about hidden motors is they'll say
Speaker 3: they want to research, and we take them out there
Speaker 3: and they really get you know, they get to have experience,
Speaker 3: you know, hearing some of this stuff and everything. And
Speaker 3: then after that, oh, they're kind of like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: I'm satisfied. And that's it, you know, wasting their time.
Speaker 1: Right, It's like, you know, I just want to go
Speaker 1: check out Jurassic Park and okay, I saw the dinosaurs
Speaker 1: and now I'm out.
Speaker 3: Well basically most people they end up keep looking. I
Speaker 3: can never forget out. I said, well, they're right here.
Speaker 3: So if you really want to research them, they they're
Speaker 3: always here. I said, if you put your time out
Speaker 3: there and everything, you're going to hear them and see
Speaker 3: them and whatever. So but these few this when it
Speaker 3: continues to oh I'm going to run to bumping lady
Speaker 3: or or whatever, you know, I kind of just thole
Speaker 3: my hand.
Speaker 2: You know. Like the people we have are pretty.
Speaker 3: Dedicated, and we just stay out there and like I said,
Speaker 3: and do our own research and to say whatever.
Speaker 2: People come and go.
Speaker 1: So now the audio that you had said that is
Speaker 1: labeled Chuck, is that from area Charlie.
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, next to the East Charlie.
Speaker 3: Uh, that's over there by where I was talking about
Speaker 3: Cat Creek and where we stopped the car at everything,
Speaker 3: and Chuck had actually I want to make sure Chuck
Speaker 3: is a credit for because I did not record this.
Speaker 3: I have other recordings really on there that are samples
Speaker 3: of the same based on the same creatures vocalizing and stuff.
Speaker 3: But Chuck is the one that records this, and I
Speaker 3: think it's an awesome audio actually for what how the
Speaker 3: groups really do react.
Speaker 2: Out there and how they communicate and everything. So go ahead,
Speaker 2: go ahead.
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is UH and you're gonna hear multiple
Speaker 1: individuals in this record.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one.
Speaker 3: There's a single mail that makes it to explain to say,
Speaker 3: he explained afterwards, but a single male he's vocalizing. This
Speaker 3: is actually his second vocalization before Chuck got the recorded.
Speaker 2: He didn't have the recorder. It was in this truck
Speaker 2: at the time.
Speaker 3: This actually handheld the creatures vocalizing, which is that basic
Speaker 3: Ohio call for an example related to and you can
Speaker 3: hear this long stretched out siren call and you hear
Speaker 3: four females reply. These are all separate females actually replying.
Speaker 3: So I'll just play that.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, all right, let's check it out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: This is the audio where I've heard it from other people.
Speaker 1: I've heard that exame exact things from an individual. Her
Speaker 1: name is Chanelle, and she would drive around the roads
Speaker 1: around Vernier and just have well, sorry, she's a sparrow.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, so you know Chanel Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know her to meet.
Speaker 1: Her bigs A society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she's in a particular too. And I think
Speaker 2: she is. I don't want to.
Speaker 3: I think she's she's actually getting recording from the same
Speaker 3: group that moved to the northwest.
Speaker 2: This is that group?
Speaker 1: Oh when that that would make total sense, Ben, I
Speaker 1: mean it, it does sound so similar, right.
Speaker 3: Right, And I said, I think I've heard other because
Speaker 3: I've been there for long, people sharing other recordings the groups, Dick,
Speaker 3: you sound the same.
Speaker 2: I've actually heard the same group.
Speaker 3: I can't know by Steven's past, it sounds like the
Speaker 3: same same particularly, I don't think it's the same group,
Speaker 3: but it sounds the same kind of rhythmic sounds and day.
Speaker 3: But this is what's typical what we were hearing. I
Speaker 3: was hearing out there for several months. Every you know,
Speaker 3: every weekend, I went out there and I would hear
Speaker 3: this group doing this for hours. It wasn't just you know,
Speaker 3: an occasional stream here and there. This was going on
Speaker 3: all night long, which is interesting because I haven't got
Speaker 3: anything like that since then. Ice is in the groups
Speaker 3: because pretty much they're pretty much quiet.
Speaker 2: Now, so.
Speaker 1: Some wild wild stuff, so big foot ops goals to
Speaker 1: get information for yourself. It looks like a heavy focus
Speaker 1: on audio recording correct, Yes, okay.
Speaker 3: Uh And at that time I didn't do too much recording.
Speaker 3: The early twenty thirteen, I had a few and.
Speaker 2: I lost a lot of records that I had.
Speaker 3: On a laptop, and I had a virus on HITT
Speaker 3: and I last lost a lot of body because of that,
Speaker 3: probably over two in her vocals, I just want people
Speaker 3: understand what what the groups sound like, and let's you know,
Speaker 3: calls and stuff related. This sounds exactly what I was
Speaker 3: hearing out there for several months.
Speaker 2: Is which are check recorded?
Speaker 1: Now? Has there ever been an attempt to try to
Speaker 1: get any visual evidence of what you're encountering out there?
Speaker 2: Yes, we we. It's because of the brushes definitely. Like
Speaker 2: I said, we have every type of.
Speaker 3: Camera, thermal cameras, we have handhelds, we have cameras, trail cams. Now,
Speaker 3: I've had some interesting things happened to our trail camps
Speaker 3: where they've been destroyed and.
Speaker 2: Stuff like that.
Speaker 3: It's really difficult to explain about capturings on on.
Speaker 2: Video.
Speaker 3: We were actually just discussing the other day, but we're
Speaker 3: our more main focused this year is probably trying to
Speaker 3: get the videos the thermals and starting this actually Friday
Speaker 3: will be doing that several of the times.
Speaker 2: So it's difficult.
Speaker 3: So people think it's just even though they're there all
Speaker 3: the time, that it's not that easily hanging back in
Speaker 3: the brush.
Speaker 2: It's easy to get audios.
Speaker 3: I mean, you can set those out there, but there's
Speaker 3: something about the game cameras and thermals. It seems to
Speaker 3: be a de turn to them, and we haven't I
Speaker 3: don't like to speculate on it because it's not we
Speaker 3: know they can see in the I R spectrum, because
Speaker 3: like I said, they're finding our game camerasmen in matter
Speaker 3: how well we hide them or whatever, they still find
Speaker 3: them out there.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think it might also be good to spend
Speaker 1: a few minutes maybe discussing about what you think the
Speaker 1: big F actually is or how you categorize it.
Speaker 3: Well, I have been discussed all the time. I can't
Speaker 3: really say what it is. Everybody has different theories on this.
Speaker 3: I do know that people like the more intelligent thinking,
Speaker 3: and I haven't seen that I would I would like
Speaker 3: to say that it's probably below human thinking and reasoning
Speaker 3: and intelligence. I haven't seen anything out there more that
Speaker 3: it would be anything more associated than apes on the
Speaker 3: way they they their behavior or whatever. And only reason
Speaker 3: saying that is that their problem solving skills when related.
Speaker 3: Given example is is I don't know if you're showing
Speaker 3: them or not, but our farm units are recording units.
Speaker 3: They played with us all the time. They have no
Speaker 3: fear of those. I've never had any destroyed. Or they
Speaker 3: pick them up, sniff them, put them back down, they
Speaker 3: put little structures.
Speaker 2: Around them or whatever.
Speaker 3: But you could hear them. We hear everything on these audios.
Speaker 3: You could hear them testing this equipment. Is what they're
Speaker 3: doing is they run up to it, they run back,
Speaker 3: They run up to it, and they run back, and
Speaker 3: this goes on to like four or five, six times,
Speaker 3: and then you ht them walk up to it, pick
Speaker 3: it up, sniff it, and put it back down, and
Speaker 3: then walk off and do whatever they normally do it
Speaker 3: either go walk and you know, bang them some rocks
Speaker 3: or trees or whatever, and that's it. There are problems
Speaker 3: solving skills. They try to figure out what it is,
Speaker 3: but at the same time, they don't go beyond that,
Speaker 3: like like a human or something. They look at it
Speaker 3: and look at it and probably throw it down, beat
Speaker 3: on it, and jump on into whatever. Okay, they're satisfied
Speaker 3: these things. That's all they do with our recording equipment
Speaker 3: is just that, which seems to be more like a
Speaker 3: pin an ape like like a chimpanzee or maybe a
Speaker 3: gorilla would do. A grilla might just decide to take
Speaker 3: it and pick it up and beat the death or whatever.
Speaker 2: But they don't see no one to go beyond that.
Speaker 3: Their curiosity goes to a cirt extent and stops, like says,
Speaker 3: they don't play with the button, They don't try to
Speaker 3: open it up or you know, trying to seem with
Speaker 3: the main cause like a human would trying to figure
Speaker 3: it out that They just kip board and then they
Speaker 3: just walk away. And that's why I would say that
Speaker 3: they and like I said, I've recorded this time after
Speaker 3: time after time, probably ten or fifteen instance where they've
Speaker 3: done this. There's same exact new team because most of
Speaker 3: time I pick up cards. Oh they're doing this again,
Speaker 3: you know, like I says, they do the same thing
Speaker 3: over and over again.
Speaker 2: That's it, doesn't that and this is the only site
Speaker 2: they do that is.
Speaker 3: Charlie done this, Yankee Zebras, All different places we put
Speaker 3: this equipment, they've done the same exact name. I know
Speaker 3: people like to give them human abilities or anything, but
Speaker 3: I haven't run across anything like that to say, it
Speaker 3: goes beyond that.
Speaker 1: Extremely interesting. So based off of what you have seen,
Speaker 1: if you were to broadly categorize it, you know, usually
Speaker 1: people are saying, oh, kind of looked more like like
Speaker 1: we have some undiscovered you know, apes out here, or
Speaker 1: maybe there's some kind of like offshoot of human that's
Speaker 1: hiding out in the woods. Would you lean towards either
Speaker 1: of those or it would be kind of totally different for.
Speaker 4: You that the.
Speaker 3: Creatures that I've seen in physical aspects of it is
Speaker 3: they're a human like in the face.
Speaker 2: You can actual see a pronounced.
Speaker 3: But they have a heavy brow ridge that I've noticed,
Speaker 3: and I always relate to it like a cape manner.
Speaker 2: I don't know what neanthal is.
Speaker 3: I think i've seen a few pictures, but I really
Speaker 3: related to that. If there'sn't a lot of hair on
Speaker 3: are faced, for on the cheekbones and stuff, and they
Speaker 3: have a big, wide mouth on them, very very big,
Speaker 3: huge creatures. I say, anybody's ever seen one? The word
Speaker 3: only comes to mind is nasty and huge. If somebody
Speaker 3: tell me, if I don't hear those words in it,
Speaker 3: I assume that person has never seen one, because.
Speaker 2: People say act like they casually.
Speaker 3: Say, oh yeah, I saw all one over here. Well,
Speaker 3: the word that comes to mind is they are huge.
Speaker 3: That's all they can tell you about those things is
Speaker 3: just they're massive creatures.
Speaker 1: You'd mentioned that there's been also some some other really
Speaker 1: interesting things that have happened in the Charlie area as well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's charge.
Speaker 3: I probably have had it over one hundred and fifteen encounters,
Speaker 3: and that that people decided over the years because we
Speaker 3: go visits so much.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 3: We've had taken other people out there. Well, I should
Speaker 3: say start back from yet, I have to be very
Speaker 3: careful we take people out of market. I'd learned from
Speaker 3: the last couple of instances because we actually terrified a
Speaker 3: couple people at which I told them in the band.
Speaker 3: I tried to tell people, this is what to expect
Speaker 3: when you go out here.
Speaker 2: I said, they're huge creatures.
Speaker 3: And you better get yourself mindset for it. You know,
Speaker 3: they're thinking they're going out and it's going to be
Speaker 3: fifty feet away. Well, they're not going to be fifty
Speaker 3: feet away in the middle of the night when you're
Speaker 3: camping and stuff.
Speaker 2: They're going to come into camp and everything like that.
Speaker 3: But the most couple of things that I'll start off
Speaker 3: with is had I took a gentleman out there and
Speaker 3: I stay in a motor home. I won't stay in
Speaker 3: a ten out there thing, but I park it there
Speaker 3: and that usually guy parks right there behind me or whatever.
Speaker 2: At the end of Charlie.
Speaker 3: In this particular night, I would had taken when I
Speaker 3: used to feed him out there, I don't do that anymore.
Speaker 3: But I took an I took some bacon, and I
Speaker 3: took it out about one hundred and fifty feet away
Speaker 3: from the vehicle, and I put some bacon on the
Speaker 3: plate out there. And I come back and I was
Speaker 3: talking to this gentleman and everything, say, well, go to
Speaker 3: bed for night. In the morning time, I'll go out
Speaker 3: and I'll look around.
Speaker 2: So he's some prints and everything.
Speaker 3: And this guy actually used to be my boss actually,
Speaker 3: so a sweet revenge. But anyway, in the morning, when
Speaker 3: I got up, I happened to open the door and
Speaker 3: look down on my bumper on my motor home, and
Speaker 3: here's this paper plate. And at the time he didn't
Speaker 3: associate with the plate that I put out there, but
Speaker 3: then I said, wow, it looks like the paper played
Speaker 3: I put out there. So anyway, I went to where
Speaker 3: I put the bacon on his paper plate and it
Speaker 3: was gone, and I thought, wow, that's kind of weird.
Speaker 3: And I kind of looked around stuff and I walked
Speaker 3: back and I said, well, that must be the paper
Speaker 3: plate that I put on that stump, and he actually
Speaker 3: put it on my bumper. So anyway, as I was
Speaker 3: coming around the corner and I said, this was probably
Speaker 3: six seven o'clock in the morning, this gentleman come out
Speaker 3: of his car in the back and he's just white faced.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just you can see some kind of
Speaker 3: tear on his face, and I'm going, wow, I said,
Speaker 3: what's going on? And all he could get out of
Speaker 3: his mouth was this big footing is not for me.
Speaker 3: And he was actually physically shaking and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and I'm going what he says, Oh, I'm going home.
Speaker 2: This ain't for me. He got in his car.
Speaker 3: He actually left, and I hadn't talked to him for
Speaker 3: like two years after that. I never didn't find out
Speaker 3: exactly what I went on. So I actually had a
Speaker 3: meeting here in a couple we were talking about big
Speaker 3: Footney showed for his meeting. He wouldn't talk to me
Speaker 3: about the incident.
Speaker 2: Whats whoever? Actually?
Speaker 3: Last two years? I go, wow, just tell me, he said,
Speaker 3: I'm just not gonna tell you. So he finally told me.
Speaker 2: Were it to me?
Speaker 3: I said, what had happened that night? And he says
Speaker 3: about after he went to bed and he was sitting
Speaker 3: there asleep, and he was kind of like jarred awake
Speaker 3: in his car. Something like something bumped his bump bumped
Speaker 3: the car in the middle of the night. And he's
Speaker 3: only like five or six feet apart behind my RV. Anyway,
Speaker 3: he said, something jarred to look.
Speaker 2: You up and see.
Speaker 3: He kind of looked and looked out and he said
Speaker 3: it was dark, and he said, in front of his vehicle,
Speaker 3: he's seeing that big shadow. And I think he said
Speaker 3: he turned on the parking lights or whatever, and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden there's this big, huge, humongous creature, he says,
Speaker 3: as big as in front of his car, was looking
Speaker 3: doing him over the good leaning up over the hood
Speaker 3: and looking through the windshield Addie, and he says he
Speaker 3: just lost it. He says he was just terrified. He
Speaker 3: was just scared. He didn't he was so scared, didn't
Speaker 3: even know to start the car to leave and everything.
Speaker 3: And he said he just laid there and this thing
Speaker 3: was just staring at him. And then he said he
Speaker 3: stood back up right and walked off. And he said
Speaker 3: he was just in shock. And I asked him, I said,
Speaker 3: why did you sit there? Hding you hounk the horn
Speaker 3: or whatever. He says, I was afraid he was just
Speaker 3: going to come back and attacking. But the guy was
Speaker 3: physically shaken up in the morning time, so I know
Speaker 3: he had seen something.
Speaker 2: But they was. It was terrifying to him. And he says,
Speaker 2: that's one of the thing was learned.
Speaker 3: And said, wow, uh, I actually think I give him
Speaker 3: PDSD from the incident because he was ultimate frantise. He
Speaker 3: still he tells me every once in a while, he
Speaker 3: texts me he says, I always think he's ready to
Speaker 3: go back out, and he.
Speaker 2: Still I won't go back out.
Speaker 3: I said, well, come on, I'll take you back out there,
Speaker 3: and you won't go back out there.
Speaker 2: He was really physically white faced.
Speaker 3: And everything as I was, Wow, he was really through
Speaker 3: some traumatic stuff on that. So I said, I'm really
Speaker 3: careful trying not to have that happen again with people
Speaker 3: out there. This is instance is and I believe that
Speaker 3: was around twenty seventeen or sixteen, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: It's been in quite a long time.
Speaker 1: Ben. This is some really really wild stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: this this is, I would say, is as wild as
Speaker 1: like you know, Southeast Oklahoma. I mean, maybe even more so.
Speaker 1: I'm just coming into the story myself and hearing it
Speaker 1: for the first time. But you know, there's another thing
Speaker 1: that I I did not mention yet about your background.
Speaker 1: It was in your bio that you gave, so you
Speaker 1: you are a military veteran as well.
Speaker 2: Correct, Yes, I'm a combat veteran.
Speaker 1: Big for society who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 1: How do you think having that background as a combat
Speaker 1: veteran and an officer has helped you in these years
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot research.
Speaker 2: Well, actually, I just discussion the other day.
Speaker 3: If you look for a tactical advantage and what the
Speaker 3: military has trained you on maps and stuff and how
Speaker 3: you scatter on locations everything, that's what's the biggest thing
Speaker 3: to me. And you look at things perspective. I look
Speaker 3: at this like you're on a battlefield and you're you're
Speaker 3: trying to lay out everything and this is your.
Speaker 2: Tentata words here for.
Speaker 3: Not enemy animals, a combatants or whatever, and you're trying
Speaker 3: to figure out how how they.
Speaker 2: Do like true movements and stuff like that. And it's
Speaker 2: exectly what.
Speaker 3: I applied out there on uh, basically tactics on how
Speaker 3: they you know, I'll smart these guys or whatever, because
Speaker 3: they are intelligent for their environment. I mean they're really
Speaker 3: adapted too for camouflage out there and everything else. I
Speaker 3: mean it's totally it's very impressive. But I still don't
Speaker 3: give it any more than human. I wouldn't give it
Speaker 3: human equalities. But they are adapted for their environment.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, So.
Speaker 3: I don't know any more words to say than that
Speaker 3: it is just their their adversaries, I call it.
Speaker 2: You know, I just look at you.
Speaker 3: You need to know your adversaries that actually figured out
Speaker 3: how these things move and stuff like that, and even
Speaker 3: then they change it up on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think my listeners can get that. And
Speaker 1: in you saying that, it's not saying that you're wanting
Speaker 1: to like you're not trying to shoot it or anything.
Speaker 3: No, right, it makes no sense to And I don't
Speaker 3: even want on dissectic screeches because the simple effectus is
Speaker 3: that humans that tend to see they want to destroy
Speaker 3: everything to get their hands on it. And I don't
Speaker 3: think it wouldn't stop there. And that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 3: And then I said this person is it would if
Speaker 3: it say, oh, we want one creature, where they would
Speaker 3: have to say, okay, it's a male, and then they
Speaker 3: decide they want to chop off the female, and then
Speaker 3: we need to know more.
Speaker 2: About the group and they'll chop off at juvenal.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just weird thinking like it's I just
Speaker 3: don't think people want to stop there, so we don't
Speaker 3: try to. I teach people how to basically find them.
Speaker 3: But at the same time as it's tell me, you know,
Speaker 3: I won't tell anybody who must go out and shoot them.
Speaker 3: I always hear stupid people making these comments about when
Speaker 3: it comes to that, it doesn't impress me at all.
Speaker 2: I say, well, here they.
Speaker 3: Are, you can go out there and try to shoot them,
Speaker 3: but just going to get you killed probably.
Speaker 1: I would say yes, yeah, And.
Speaker 3: Again if the person hasn't zeen one, so they you know,
Speaker 3: they don't even know what they're dealing with out there,
Speaker 3: and even as many years we've been, we don't know
Speaker 3: exactly what we're dealing with out there, and we have
Speaker 3: to be very careful.
Speaker 2: Not to you know, uh, to do any kind of gressy.
Speaker 3: Things because actually, probably about story we just had happened
Speaker 3: last year. We got an aggressive response and all we
Speaker 3: did was play an audio.
Speaker 2: Really and it was it was a human.
Speaker 3: Baby crying, oh dear, generating aggressive response by a male
Speaker 3: out there, the one that Charlie.
Speaker 1: So I want to hear definitely more about that, but
Speaker 1: I want to add a commentary first. In the community,
Speaker 1: there's always people that are like, oh, just play a
Speaker 1: baby cry, but listen guys, like, here's an example of
Speaker 1: why that might not be a good idea to do that.
Speaker 1: I mean, so, can you can you share like what
Speaker 1: when you're saying there was an aggressive response, like what
Speaker 1: kind of things happened in response to that audio.
Speaker 3: Well, it's actually how we got one of the autos
Speaker 3: that you're going to play later on here is like
Speaker 3: it's speaking and growling and stuff. It actually called out
Speaker 3: from the top we had And this was the first
Speaker 3: time I've actually used this because it was actually my h.
Speaker 2: One of our researchers.
Speaker 3: He just had a newborn child, so he jokay, he
Speaker 3: just recorded it, and I said, well, I'll put that
Speaker 3: on because we've heard about the same things about.
Speaker 2: Playing you know this baby crying and whatever. And said, well,
Speaker 2: I'll put it out there and we'll try it.
Speaker 3: So we did this last year. It was in July
Speaker 3: Againnikin or maybe June twenty ninth or whatever, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: Anyway, we played that out there and we got an
Speaker 2: instantaneous response.
Speaker 3: On the second time I call blasted it out there
Speaker 3: and we heard something calling out and the first uh,
Speaker 3: that's the only one clear when I said I heard
Speaker 3: was this calling uh, and that.
Speaker 2: We know it's a male.
Speaker 3: It was calling off the top of the hill. There
Speaker 3: was calling down to us, and I said, wow, that
Speaker 3: was kind of weird and at first because it's because
Speaker 3: this sounds like a bear, and I had it vetted
Speaker 3: by the way it sounded like a bear response, and
Speaker 3: I said, wow, did we just calling a bear?
Speaker 2: So, uh, when I did that, I thought about it.
Speaker 3: So I actually walked back to my truck and I
Speaker 3: actually pulled out my abaves and carrigan and it's just
Speaker 3: a ski the creature off. We don't plan it going
Speaker 3: out there shooting bears or anything else either, but I
Speaker 3: get armed. And so anyway, as I did that, I
Speaker 3: was back in the truck. This is two things because
Speaker 3: it actually be in a funny incident is as I
Speaker 3: come back out of the truck, come back around, I
Speaker 3: actually looked at and I don't want to put his
Speaker 3: name out there, one of my fellow researchers in the
Speaker 3: other the other one standing behind him. He's holding a
Speaker 3: chair up like he was going to hit something out there.
Speaker 3: And I said, what's going on out theesus? And then
Speaker 3: I'll go aha, and said Kevin was standing behind pointing.
Speaker 3: He says there's a a bigfoot over there, and I
Speaker 3: said where. He says that at the end of just
Speaker 3: out there, like fifty sixty feet And he's out there
Speaker 3: and he's doing his heavy breathing and then tues to
Speaker 3: going yeah. He says, they're both telling me his heavy
Speaker 3: breathing and everything. By the way, and I'm going, wow,
Speaker 3: I am not hearing any of this. But as he
Speaker 3: holds his chair, but I said, what are you going
Speaker 3: to do with that? He says, om, I just started laughing.
Speaker 3: I thought it was funny, said, might come around here,
Speaker 3: and he's holding this chirrup like he's going to do
Speaker 3: something this creature out there, and it's as I said.
Speaker 2: It's funny. It just maybe it's just kind of funny
Speaker 2: and everything.
Speaker 3: So anyway, we loosten at Corny Ant still trying to
Speaker 3: figure out my fellow researchers here if they're listening what
Speaker 3: you guys were hearing out because it didn't sound like
Speaker 3: have you breathing whatsoever.
Speaker 2: It sounds like growling and uh, I don't know, I.
Speaker 3: Would say off the wall language I've heard out there before,
Speaker 3: but it just sounds like something growling. And like I said,
Speaker 3: you thought it might be a bear at first, And
Speaker 3: I actually kind of when I did the audio and everything,
Speaker 3: and I says me to send this in and see
Speaker 3: what this is. Is this is a bear or not?
Speaker 3: So actually, had David Allison. You know people know with
Speaker 3: op he's very good at audio. I call him to
Speaker 3: gurule audio and everything, and he uses mccuauy library to
Speaker 3: to use to think the animals with sounds and whatever
Speaker 3: to identify them. But anyway, come back David saying, no,
Speaker 3: it's not a bear. The only thing he could come
Speaker 3: close to was a grizzly he picked up on a
Speaker 3: YouTube or whatever, and it wasn't identical, but it was close.
Speaker 2: But we don't have.
Speaker 3: Grizzly bears out there. And then you send this side
Speaker 3: of the cascades. They're in the north side, and I
Speaker 3: know there was no grizzly bear out there, but that
Speaker 3: was close to do it. And I actually sent it
Speaker 3: off to another gentleman, which.
Speaker 2: Is the bear biologist for the.
Speaker 3: State of Washington what used to be a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago, to have him identify it. And he's saying
Speaker 3: the same thing as no, it's not black bears, no
Speaker 3: bear that he knows of. And he worked for the
Speaker 3: State of Washington by the way, for the Biology Department,
Speaker 3: so the Apartment of Wildlife. And then I actually sent
Speaker 3: to another one two other people that were advid bear
Speaker 3: hunters to get their intake on it, because I really
Speaker 3: don't want to call something it isn't But they were saying, no,
Speaker 3: isn't it. That's not a bear? So I don't know
Speaker 3: what that is the same thing as Bolois. He said
Speaker 3: the same thing. He didn't know what it was.
Speaker 1: It's always extremely interesting when you get biologists involved in
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, I mean it is it's nothing we.
Speaker 3: Got Yeah, I like I said, and I actually I've
Speaker 3: had to work with the I sent a couple of
Speaker 3: emails to the state now the female bologists in this
Speaker 3: particular area, and I've shared some audios and stuff, and
Speaker 3: we were discussing over emails.
Speaker 2: It amade it.
Speaker 3: It's kind of frustrating in a way because you could
Speaker 3: think abolishes out there. They want to know what every
Speaker 3: kind of creature is out there and everything, and they're
Speaker 3: kind of like, well, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know what that is. Well, wouldn't they drawing, you know,
Speaker 2: take their interest.
Speaker 3: It's unknown subject out there, so when you guys wouldn't
Speaker 3: be interested in But no, they don't seem to be interested,
Speaker 3: and they're just kind of.
Speaker 2: Oh, well, you know, they try to put it off. Basically,
Speaker 2: what it is.
Speaker 1: I think You're absolutely right in that regard from situations
Speaker 1: I've experienced myself that are similar. But let's go through
Speaker 1: some of these sounds and maybe I can play play
Speaker 1: them and then you can provide commentary on them. How
Speaker 1: does that sound? Okay? Sure, here's the first one.
Speaker 3: All right, Okay, that's a female responsibility to the male.
Speaker 3: It's been separated. Uh, there's going to be a male
Speaker 3: response you put on there too. The typical when we
Speaker 3: hear a younger juvenile and we heard out there at
Speaker 3: the time, I think it was twenty fifteen. For a
Speaker 3: couple of months, we'd hear this creature calling out at
Speaker 3: a younger adult. And these are the responses to different females.
Speaker 3: He was calling to a different group was over at Delta,
Speaker 3: and you could hear them were replying. But this is
Speaker 3: the replies they do to a male calling out. And
Speaker 3: like I said, this is purely speculations because it was
Speaker 3: going on same time he would come in. He would
Speaker 3: call from over Charlie over to Delta, which is about
Speaker 3: a mile and a half away, calling to this group.
Speaker 3: I think you could hear replying. He did this several
Speaker 3: times and couldn't figure out why. And again I was
Speaker 3: speculating here, it sounds like it's territorial because he would
Speaker 3: go to a certain spot call out, they would reply,
Speaker 3: and they do this for depending on in thirty minutes,
Speaker 3: forty five minutes, and maybe an hour.
Speaker 2: Until a big male replies back from.
Speaker 3: Over at delta, and then all the activity would stop.
Speaker 3: And in the recordings, he walks up, does this, then
Speaker 3: walks away, and he did this several times in a row,
Speaker 3: and I go, wow, this is kind of weird. Come
Speaker 3: you just don't walk over there and you know, interact
Speaker 3: with this group and everything. Why you're always calling out?
Speaker 3: So we believe and like I said, you're only going
Speaker 3: off a little get off for recordings that it's uh
Speaker 3: territorial And this this younger juvenile license, a younger adult
Speaker 3: male just couldn't walk over there and interact with this
Speaker 3: other group. We couldn't figure it out. Like I said,
Speaker 3: this went on for two or three months out there. Ever,
Speaker 3: so often we get these calls. It's hard to speculate
Speaker 3: exactly what they're doing. You can't see it going on,
Speaker 3: but you hear these things. And like I said, when
Speaker 3: you're doing this stuff repetitive over and over again again
Speaker 3: we're going a blank to why you would always come
Speaker 3: in and one spy a call out and they reply
Speaker 3: from this again, why he wouldn't just go over that
Speaker 3: way in the first start. But we definitely know there
Speaker 3: was a big male, a big alpha male to call it,
Speaker 3: that would.
Speaker 2: Call back and they would just stop all that crap.
Speaker 3: It would just like and I can't call it crap,
Speaker 3: but I mean saying, all the vocalizations would just stop
Speaker 3: and go silent.
Speaker 1: Right, are you referring to the male whaling one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the same guy that was calling out.
Speaker 3: This is the younger And you could tell the differences.
Speaker 3: And if you listen, like the first one, you hear
Speaker 3: that big, long going out sound. Uh, it's deep heavy.
Speaker 3: This one is is a male. We believe that it's
Speaker 3: a younger adult.
Speaker 2: Got it.
Speaker 1: I'm going to play the male whaling one here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, m.
Speaker 1: So you'll hear that from one area and then the
Speaker 1: female response from the other area.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The females are higher pitches like that the males.
Speaker 2: This is nice.
Speaker 3: If I think it's a younger, he's not so deep
Speaker 3: voiced or whatever. The alphasers seem to be really deep toned.
Speaker 3: Audios that you can hear calling back at which I
Speaker 3: had more on there sending you. But I was just
Speaker 3: trying to give me examples. But there are there are
Speaker 3: a lot more deep toned and longer drawn out. This
Speaker 3: one seemed to be a younger male.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: But he finally stopped doing it out there, So I said,
Speaker 3: maybe you got with the group or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: We don't know, so, but like he said, it's it's
Speaker 3: hard to assess something in the in the night when
Speaker 3: you're out there. You know, you went across this repetitive
Speaker 3: things every three or four times, and trying to make
Speaker 3: assessments of exactly what they're doing when you're not seeing it.
Speaker 3: You can only guess. And again it's assumptioning could be
Speaker 3: totally wrong. But like I said, he just did the
Speaker 3: same thing, you know, protly three or four times, just
Speaker 3: calling out over there, and we get replies, and you
Speaker 3: were just kind of like screating him.
Speaker 2: Said, well, I wonder if that's what he was doing.
Speaker 3: If he's calling over there, you just can't go over there,
Speaker 3: you know, to interact with this other group.
Speaker 1: Or what it's It's really fascinating stuff. I'm going to
Speaker 1: continue to the next one we got, just we'll see
Speaker 1: how many we can get through here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a knock that people are always talking
Speaker 3: about the talent gunshots.
Speaker 2: That's a typical not of usemmer an example out there
Speaker 2: that I.
Speaker 3: Said, record just about everything there is, and people talk
Speaker 3: about these gunshot type of knocks. I don't even know
Speaker 3: how to even replicate that kind of a knock.
Speaker 2: By the way, you.
Speaker 3: Hear the bang and then you hear multiple bangs, and
Speaker 3: I don't know how they do that.
Speaker 1: That's wild and you're just you're just randomly picking that
Speaker 1: up with your audio recorders out there.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And it was a lot louder because it was right
Speaker 3: next to whatever it was going on, so you could
Speaker 3: hear him moving above that and I just short uh footsteps.
Speaker 3: You could hear them moving around the parabolic as he's
Speaker 3: doing this too, So he's really really close. And like
Speaker 3: I said, uh, it's very very loud. But that's something.
Speaker 3: There's different types of knocks. That happened to be one
Speaker 3: of the knocks we can't knocks as well.
Speaker 2: It's one of the.
Speaker 3: Sounds that they produce one their communication is it's definitely.
Speaker 3: I think he's more of a he's another alpha males
Speaker 3: that uh, he's on the east side of Yankee that
Speaker 3: does this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: He's a more aggressive.
Speaker 3: Type of bigfoot out there. He's a big lock door.
Speaker 1: And stuffarison here. Ye all right, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: really much. I mean, that's that one is pretty amazing.
Speaker 3: They're they're they're long if you know, as long. We
Speaker 3: didn't believe that's a younger male also, see, but they
Speaker 3: do this. It's not like a juvenile journals do like
Speaker 3: a singing kind of thing. It does sound like singing.
Speaker 2: They do out there.
Speaker 3: All I can say for real small juvenile ones out there,
Speaker 3: it's a totally different type of vocalization. And this is
Speaker 3: just examples of different ones. That's all I can do
Speaker 3: is squeeze in there. I would like to go through
Speaker 3: all of them, but I can't do that because we'd
Speaker 3: be here for weeks. Of all the recordings you got
Speaker 3: of all these different types of it's just another form
Speaker 3: of communication. The one it is late night visitor is
Speaker 3: one that is mimicking an owl, and you can actually
Speaker 3: hear the different residents in the tone that out differs
Speaker 3: from a regular ol out there bar well and actually
Speaker 3: at the end of it, at the two minutes and
Speaker 3: thirty price second mark, I.
Speaker 2: Believe there's actually a.
Speaker 3: Juvenile call on there in response in which is part
Speaker 3: of the scene he was talking about.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's labeled late night visitor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I just we actually seen this a wow future.
Speaker 3: It was observed through a thermal and he had come
Speaker 3: and gone several times that night.
Speaker 2: It was out there too, had two law.
Speaker 3: Enforcement uh individuals out there, and they were real skepticals
Speaker 3: and everything, and they actually got to see it through
Speaker 3: thermals and everything.
Speaker 2: This creature interacting was.
Speaker 3: Digging and it would see them looking at it, and
Speaker 3: then it would run up over the hill twenty minutes
Speaker 3: later come back.
Speaker 2: As soon as they start, you know, you spoke.
Speaker 3: Your thermal again, it would run back and it would
Speaker 3: hide for a while.
Speaker 2: So he was doing it several times that night, liking this.
Speaker 1: There's one eye found particularly interesting. I'm going to bring
Speaker 1: it up here.
Speaker 4: School school.
Speaker 2: Dot might by a.
Speaker 1: It's not you, it's awesome though.
Speaker 2: That's that's uh.
Speaker 3: It's an example of what they're hoping they do in
Speaker 3: their aggressive response and they uh the backspur on this
Speaker 3: particular thing is that he had it set up next
Speaker 3: to him.
Speaker 2: It's still going.
Speaker 1: I think it's almost done.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, like six minutes long. Okay. This again used.
Speaker 3: By Chuck Mats and he recorded this and he had
Speaker 3: set up a pair of bolic to a nest site
Speaker 3: in the early evening and he actually has a more
Speaker 3: expensive pair of bolic dish. It was like four hundreds
Speaker 3: of dollars his dish, and he actually put a cover
Speaker 3: on top of this dish and put it in front
Speaker 3: of this.
Speaker 5: Nest.
Speaker 3: And as you can hear, you hear the creature come
Speaker 3: in the middle of night. I believe this was around
Speaker 3: one o'clock in the morning or whatever, and you find
Speaker 3: this parabolic and sitting in front of his nest and
Speaker 3: he was having a fit about this parabolic being there.
Speaker 3: You can hear him stomping there and he starts happening.
Speaker 3: We know it's not a deer up because it is
Speaker 3: since six minutes long. As actually going on in nannathing
Speaker 3: is that the creature leaves and comes back, leaves and
Speaker 3: comes back and upset again Bulck being there. And yet
Speaker 3: it wasn't like one of my smaller unit. It was
Speaker 3: a pretty big unit. But this is the response that gave.
Speaker 2: Was doing in.
Speaker 3: That that this parabolic was sitting in front of its
Speaker 3: nest and you can hear it coming go and start
Speaker 3: throwing stuff at the at the parabolic. You can hear
Speaker 3: that canvas under where I was messing in front and
Speaker 3: see what was underneath it, I believe at the time.
Speaker 3: But this is a good example of what some of
Speaker 3: their aggressive responses that they how they handle us situation.
Speaker 1: That's that's incredible stuff. I I want to say I've heard. Man.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say it's very unique to other things
Speaker 1: that I've heard, but I have heard people describe that
Speaker 1: sound before, so it's really cool to hear it in
Speaker 1: that regard.
Speaker 3: Did you say I've actually physically heard that out there?
Speaker 1: Oh wow?
Speaker 3: Myself in close close proximity. I didn't realize it's getting
Speaker 3: as long in here. But we've heard this, you know,
Speaker 3: within eight feet of us. And as they're shaking trees,
Speaker 3: we hear them huffing like this. You know, they're they're
Speaker 3: really upset about something. And this this picure didn't make
Speaker 3: sense because we were out there calling them out there
Speaker 3: at Delta, didn't hear or see anything for several hours trying.
Speaker 2: To figure out where they're at.
Speaker 3: And as we're walking back up the road, and this
Speaker 3: was late at night, it is dark. We had as
Speaker 3: we walked by a particular tree up this road and
Speaker 3: I says again again it's dark. We heard a little
Speaker 3: bit of ruffling going on, and this thing started all
Speaker 3: of a sudden grabbing a tree, a good sized tree,
Speaker 3: is shaking this tree and huffing and let us know
Speaker 3: we're right there.
Speaker 2: And it could have just let us walk right by it.
Speaker 3: We would have never own it was there, but like
Speaker 3: demonstrate us, just letting us know it was there. And
Speaker 3: he wasn't happy. And there was also a creature behind us,
Speaker 3: because we heard a branch break behind us as one
Speaker 3: was on the other side of the road heard enough.
Speaker 3: One of our researchers pulled their gun because they caught
Speaker 3: him off guard. So I knew there was something there
Speaker 3: just because I heard a little bit of ruffling and
Speaker 3: or whatever, but I didn't expect it, you know, the
Speaker 3: tree to start shaking and all this stuff. So and
Speaker 3: I told him that they're gun away or we're gonna
Speaker 3: get killed out here. Because it took about two steps.
Speaker 3: Normally when we go buy something. They do that and
Speaker 3: you can hear them they run off the same took
Speaker 3: two step up and stopped and just stood there.
Speaker 2: Ben.
Speaker 1: This is you guys are into some amazing things in
Speaker 1: these research areas that you have just outside or near
Speaker 1: And uh, man, I've got I've got like twenty questions
Speaker 1: in my head. But this is going a little bit long.
Speaker 1: But man, I don't know if you're up for it,
Speaker 1: but I would love to have you back on for
Speaker 1: for a second time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you can get another hour
Speaker 2: and a half out of Yeah, easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I still got plenty of I mean, I
Speaker 3: got so so many stuff like that's happened out there,
Speaker 3: and I this is that, you know, I still got
Speaker 3: the pro sound stuff.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Actually, just that's something another defensive ability to have. It's
Speaker 3: only colored ability, but it's something that they do out there,
Speaker 3: and it's it's nasty.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, well we got to talk about that some day.
Speaker 2: It made me so sick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess maybe on the next thing, I'll put
Speaker 3: that on your bit, like if we've been counter stiff
Speaker 3: And like I said that, my whole goal is just
Speaker 3: to share some of the stuff that everybody's you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to claim that. I'm trying to use
Speaker 3: that ideas to show what we're encountering out there. You know,
Speaker 3: this is nothing new for us. And I said, we're
Speaker 3: getting pretty good vedroom. And we actually have a younger
Speaker 3: one member now is starting and he's starting he's already
Speaker 3: had instances out there already. So and I've probably taken
Speaker 3: probably over one hundred people out there, and every one
Speaker 3: of them's had some kind of encounter experience.
Speaker 2: With these creatures out there. Incredible that out there, that common,
Speaker 2: you know, So.
Speaker 1: Then before we before we uh shut down this one.
Speaker 1: Is there a way people can keep up to date
Speaker 1: with what you're doing. Is there any online presence for
Speaker 1: bigfoot ops or.
Speaker 2: Well, I just do the Facebook thing.
Speaker 3: I said, We're not into the whole thing is just
Speaker 3: totally information stuff. And I always hoping contact me at
Speaker 3: any time or whatever the group and I'll have to
Speaker 3: answer questions.
Speaker 2: It's there.
Speaker 3: We're always looking for people like to, you know, to
Speaker 3: join us one to do researching. We're more than happy
Speaker 3: to take them out there and they work with them.
Speaker 2: And you know, show them the things that we've run across.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't.
Speaker 3: Try to say we're all know it all, but we
Speaker 3: do have almost all the equipment that you can possibly have,
Speaker 3: call blessing systems, recording, you know, according devices the UH
Speaker 3: some of our new stuff like arabolic, they can record.
Speaker 3: Plus we could hear speakers with us live. We can
Speaker 3: hear out there what's.
Speaker 2: Going on live time we have.
Speaker 3: We can do them with headphones, you know, to do
Speaker 3: a stealthy approach, or we can listen just listening campus
Speaker 3: see what's going on out there. He says, it's it's
Speaker 3: it's truly fascinating what these creatures do and everything their
Speaker 3: communication is this beyond ah, I said, We're only where
Speaker 3: I use as fascinating is the things they do. There's
Speaker 3: so many ways they communicate, you know, vocal knocking, rock collas,
Speaker 3: they do, all that stuff, grunt everything is a form
Speaker 3: of communication between them, and you know, there's nothing directed
Speaker 3: at us. And I just my biggest thing is to
Speaker 3: tough people that you're not going to have. If anything,
Speaker 3: I try to tell you, you're not going to have
Speaker 3: this physical interaction. These creatures don't seem to want, you know,
Speaker 3: adult creatures anyway, want to have any kind of human
Speaker 3: reaction or interaction, we should say with humans at all,
Speaker 3: they show no interest in it. If anything, they always
Speaker 3: try to stay avoid us and get around us and everything.
Speaker 3: And most of the stuff we have these little interactions
Speaker 3: and stuff when you come into camper thing you're done
Speaker 3: by juveniles or younger adults.
Speaker 2: They're not adults. Wow.
Speaker 1: Uh, Ben, this has been fir fascinating that. Yeah, You've
Speaker 1: got so much to share and listeners. In the show
Speaker 1: notes is going to be the link to the Facebook
Speaker 1: page for Big for Ops. If you want to see,
Speaker 1: like what Charlie area looks like, there's pictures there. I'll
Speaker 1: have some pictures in the YouTube version of this episode
Speaker 1: as well. But Ben, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: on the show today, and we'll definitely be talking to
Speaker 1: you later.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll try it time to do be that
Speaker 3: all over the place and be more structured for you.
Speaker 3: It's difficult to sit there and try to download fifteen
Speaker 3: years of stuff has been going on out there, you know,
Speaker 3: and a lot of this stuff is just normal to us.
Speaker 3: But if you're like your viewers, is something that's all
Speaker 3: new to them, and you'd just like to share instances
Speaker 3: of showing you know, which fonts of things for people
Speaker 3: talk about the different knocks and stuff like it.
Speaker 2: We'd just like to share all that.
Speaker 1: Stuff absolutely well, Ben, thank you for coming on the show.
Speaker 1: What you can do at you know, when you get
Speaker 1: a minute, is that that link I had sent you
Speaker 1: in an email. You can use that to set up
Speaker 1: another time that works best for you, and you know
Speaker 1: at whenever you have a you know, free time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I have got your free time. I'm tired.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 2: Anything I do is researching drisody. That's all I do.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: Thank you there, We'll be in touch.
Speaker 1: Thanks again, Ben.
Speaker 2: All right, thank you.
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