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Forward slash the 12 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:39.600 Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with the show. Hi, 13 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:41.719 Big for Society. You've got the privilege of talking to 14 00:00:41.759 --> 00:00:46.359 mister Ben Freed from Bigfoot Ops today. He's an individual, 15 00:00:46.399 --> 00:00:49.399 he's a bigfoot researcher. He's spent nearly fifteen years tracking 16 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:54.399 studying documentary evidence of bigfoot in the area around Mount 17 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:58.359 Rainier but you know, kind of near Ashford, Washington, and 18 00:00:58.679 --> 00:01:01.880 he's had so many credible things happen. He's got a 19 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:05.799 team that's out there looking for evidence. They have multiple 20 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:08.680 research sites. There's a ton of things for us to 21 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:12.000 talk about today. But welcome to the show, Beny. 22 00:01:12.480 --> 00:01:15.159 Thanks for having me, Dearm, I appreciate it absolutely. 23 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:19.319 I mean, you've sent me a lot of a lot 24 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:23.439 of really interesting things. But I want us first to 25 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:29.680 focus on what got you into bigfoot to begin with, 26 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:33.959 and what kind of things have you experienced in this 27 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:36.159 area outside of Mount Rainier. 28 00:01:37.959 --> 00:01:41.239 Well, it started all off as accidental, actually because I 29 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:44.599 didn't have any prior I wasn't a big foot fan 30 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:48.400 prior to tals intended really believe in it, or you know, 31 00:01:48.719 --> 00:01:52.400 a navig skeptic, I should say, But I actually had 32 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:55.280 an encounter on twenty team with my granddaughter when I 33 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:59.959 was out there fishing. I think believe this was June 34 00:02:00.040 --> 00:02:04.239 twenty fifth, twenty ten. It was about eight degrees out, 35 00:02:04.439 --> 00:02:07.159 it was ten thirty in the morning, and reman the 36 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:10.840 two creatures out there. I didn't get to see these creatures, 37 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:11.319 but I. 38 00:02:11.280 --> 00:02:16.560 Did hear them at the time. I was just starting. 39 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:20.000 We were trying to find a fishing spot and I 40 00:02:20.039 --> 00:02:23.039 hadn't been up in that area at all, so I 41 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.639 wasn't familiar with the landscape out there, so I was 42 00:02:25.680 --> 00:02:27.439 actually trying to get down the river and we were 43 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:32.120 down in a little ravine at the time, and what 44 00:02:32.199 --> 00:02:36.039 I can remember about it is that, like I said, 45 00:02:36.039 --> 00:02:40.120 it was a nice sunny day, pretty warm out and everything, 46 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:41.039 and then we were. 47 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:45.439 Hearing birds and insects, the whole works. 48 00:02:45.479 --> 00:02:51.599 Anyway, as I was walking through there, just like everything 49 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:55.039 went completely quiet, like somebody with the light switch, and 50 00:02:55.439 --> 00:02:58.360 didn't hear any kind of birds, any kind of sounds, 51 00:02:59.199 --> 00:03:01.599 not the normal four sounds that you would hear and everything. 52 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:05.159 But I started hearing a gurgling sound and I thought, well, 53 00:03:05.199 --> 00:03:05.960 that's kind of streaming. 54 00:03:05.960 --> 00:03:06.479 What is that? 55 00:03:07.039 --> 00:03:12.800 And then it was preceded by screams I'm seeing from 56 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.800 a single creature is probably within three hundred three hundred 57 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:18.639 and fifty feet in this heavy brushed. 58 00:03:18.360 --> 00:03:21.560 Area, and I thought, wow, what is that. 59 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.719 So this went on for like five minutes or so, 60 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:28.080 and everything and that says, wow, I just got my 61 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:30.800 curiosity up. So I tried to get up back up 62 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:32.719 on top of it, out of this ravine to see 63 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:35.680 what it was. And I could hear a lot of 64 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:39.919 branch breaking and stuff like that going on, and I 65 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:42.000 got up behind a tree and I said, well, I'm 66 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:43.639 gonna look on you and see what this is coming 67 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:44.240 out of there. 68 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:46.919 And as I was standing there about. 69 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:50.599 I would say probably about thirty four or five seconds 70 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.560 or whatever, I actually got another sound from my left 71 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:57.400 another creature start screaming and everything in These two creatures 72 00:03:57.400 --> 00:03:59.719 sound like they were screaming to each other at the time. 73 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:04.800 I don't know if it was communication or what they exacted. 74 00:04:04.520 --> 00:04:06.800 Were doing, but they didn't know we were there. 75 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:10.680 I actually actually got on the phone and says, oh, 76 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:12.439 you got to go. I tried to call my son 77 00:04:13.599 --> 00:04:18.560 let him hear this because it was so loud, and 78 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:20.439 like I said, it sounded like a woman screaming out 79 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:22.519 there and everything, and I knew that's what it wasn't 80 00:04:22.519 --> 00:04:22.959 the human. 81 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:25.839 This sounded weird at the time. 82 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:30.279 And as I was trying to do this, my uh 83 00:04:30.639 --> 00:04:33.519 don't my son was actually taking anap and she wouldn't 84 00:04:33.519 --> 00:04:34.360 wake him up or whatever. 85 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:36.319 So I'm kind of frustrated with that. 86 00:04:36.439 --> 00:04:39.279 And he's screaming, is getting louder, getting closer to me 87 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:43.680 and everything. And as this was going on, my well, 88 00:04:43.720 --> 00:04:48.399 my granddaughter started crying and everything, and it kind of 89 00:04:48.439 --> 00:04:52.199 alerted them to our presence there. And then they just 90 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:57.079 stopped screaming, just instantaneous and then they just actually ran off, 91 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.759 and so that was my encounter. I'm going, wow, I 92 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:05.560 never got to see what it was, but at the 93 00:05:05.639 --> 00:05:07.759 time I thought back of mind, I said, wow, that's 94 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:09.759 nothing I've ever heard of it before, and kind of 95 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:11.000 elk or anything like that. 96 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:16.000 So I assumed it was, to come to mind, was bigfoot. 97 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:17.879 And I actually lost. 98 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:21.079 Like four days sleep over that this particular incident trying 99 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:22.639 to figure out what it was and everything. So I 100 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.879 called BFRO got in contact with Scott Tiler and he 101 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:27.879 come out there, I think it was bout a week later, 102 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:32.639 and we actually found some seventeen inch tracks, a lot 103 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:35.600 of branch breaks and stuff like that, and you kind 104 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:39.319 of verified that, yeah, that's he thinks it was bigfoot. 105 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:44.000 So anyway, it was regarding that incident, and then I 106 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:48.079 spent from that just built it kind of got my 107 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.639 curiosity going. So I thought, well, I'll go out here 108 00:05:50.680 --> 00:05:54.120 and try to see if I can find whatever this is. 109 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:56.160 Because he was talking about bigfoots so much said. I 110 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:58.920 was kind of like, well, okay, I'll probably go out 111 00:05:58.920 --> 00:06:03.160 here and find bigfoot two weeks whatever, get some pictures, 112 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:05.879 you know, just like the regular vocal as everybody else 113 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:10.839 talks about. But I spent end up spending about almost 114 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:18.120 two years out there tracking these creatures. And at that time, 115 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:21.360 in this particular area, there's a bridge washed out my 116 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.600 National Pond by Ashford, and you couldn't get across the 117 00:06:25.639 --> 00:06:29.160 bridge because it was washed out from a prior storm 118 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.160 I think in seventy two or something like that. The 119 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:35.040 tracks and everything would always come across the river in 120 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:39.839 this particular area, and that it would come in, it 121 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:40.439 would come and. 122 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:41.839 Go across this river area. 123 00:06:42.639 --> 00:06:44.879 So I had to get around to the other apartment 124 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:46.680 and I had to go away on the other side 125 00:06:46.720 --> 00:06:49.600 of Ashford, and it took almost two years to get 126 00:06:49.639 --> 00:06:52.480 around there to finally find this road. It goes back 127 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:58.279 up in there, and uh, as I got over there, 128 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:02.560 finally I started, I found a particular site over there, 129 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:03.879 which I call Charlie. 130 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:05.279 This took two years later. 131 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:10.959 By the way I was out there, and how I 132 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:14.879 found this particular area was I was out there about 133 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:18.480 seven o'clock in the morning and I had just stopped 134 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:19.839 and it's a it's. 135 00:07:19.720 --> 00:07:24.360 An area there was some prior logging in there. 136 00:07:24.360 --> 00:07:27.720 It was it wasn't a really thick brush or whatever 137 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:32.480 should say, forested area. But it had like a little 138 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.319 clear cut and it had been done probably five years 139 00:07:35.319 --> 00:07:38.199 prior or whatever. There was just some heavy pine trees 140 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:42.759 out there and whatever. Then get back my story or 141 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:51.000 start rambling. As I got went to go out this 142 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:53.319 picture spot, like I said, it goes up into a 143 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:56.360 flat area where they flogged out and it's a it 144 00:07:56.360 --> 00:08:00.879 was an old platform released uh pulled the logs in 145 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:04.360 there and they would stack them in that particular area. Anyway, 146 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:08.040 the road divides up in two different ways between one 147 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:12.279 goes east, one goes west, and they only go in 148 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:14.560 there about one hundred and fifty feet I guess, and 149 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:17.480 then it stops, so it kind of dead ends at. 150 00:08:17.519 --> 00:08:19.839 The end of a both sides of the road. 151 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:23.600 Anyway, as I stopped and got out of the truck, 152 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:27.800 I thought I heard knocks. I heard three repetitive knocks, 153 00:08:27.839 --> 00:08:30.199 and I thought, wow, I was weird. Maybe I'm hearing things. 154 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:33.840 So I opened my door and get out, and as 155 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:41.519 I'm standing there by the truck, I heard three more 156 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:48.360 successions of knocks, bang, bang, bang. Three outcomes flying out 157 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:50.879 of the brush right by my truck, right right in 158 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:55.679 front of me, probably within fifty feet, and they were 159 00:08:55.759 --> 00:09:01.440 hitting west and they were running west. I hear this 160 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:04.759 bang bang bang again, and they changed direction, went across. 161 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:06.399 The road in front of the front of my truck. 162 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:11.279 And they went back about seventy five feet or whatever 163 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:14.879 around here, bang bang, banging again a wood knox, and 164 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:17.879 they changed direction and went straight east. 165 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:21.559 So I thought, wow, that was kind of weird. 166 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:24.759 So anyway, I went back in there, looked around, didn't 167 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:27.519 see anything, and decided to go back there that night. 168 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:33.200 I went back there approachmately eight o'clock at night, and 169 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.960 I says, well, I'm gonna go out there and see 170 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:38.519 what's going on. So anyway, I stopped, I went and 171 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:40.399 took my wife with me. The first time you hear 172 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:43.240 I went with me out there in two years. And 173 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:48.360 we went to the west end of the camp, the 174 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.399 site which we call Charlie Site now. And as I 175 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:55.200 got out of the car at that time and didn't 176 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:59.440 take my truck anyway, got out and I was there 177 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:02.519 just pulling around for five minutes and I smoke. So 178 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:04.799 I was sitting there smoking a cigarette and everything, and 179 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.679 I was just listening. There was a Mexico out there 180 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:13.919 was dark at that time February, and I started hearing 181 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:19.480 whining sounds, and I thought, what, that's kind of weird. 182 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.519 So I did a couple of whoops, and then I 183 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:25.639 started getting some replies from At this time, now I 184 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:28.759 know they were juveniles. Then I didn't know what that was. 185 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:34.960 So this went on for a few minutes. I would 186 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.480 whoop and they would start to singing or whatever, which is. 187 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:40.440 Is typical for juveniles. 188 00:10:41.279 --> 00:10:46.440 And I think it was I it's five minutes or so, 189 00:10:46.559 --> 00:10:50.240 and then we started hearing a scream come off the 190 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:54.960 hill of something. I would say it was a female 191 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:57.120 at that time. Sounded like a woman screaming. I mean 192 00:10:57.200 --> 00:10:59.639 it was. She was like bluddy murder screaming. And you 193 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:02.799 could hear come down off the top of the hill brushing, 194 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:07.679 you know, trees are cracking, branches are breaking. It sounds 195 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:10.279 like a bulldozer was coming off the hill and she 196 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:13.600 was flying down there. And as I was standing there 197 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:15.600 and like I said, piece of black, can't see your 198 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:19.559 hand in front of your face, I started hearing brush 199 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:23.039 movement coming in from all the dreggings around around the car, 200 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:27.559 and I was hearing growling and gruntings. It's the same 201 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:32.799 time she's still screaming. I would say she was probably 202 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:35.879 doing this for twenty minutes or so as we're standing there, 203 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:44.600 and I started hearing brush being pulled up being thrown. 204 00:11:44.399 --> 00:11:46.799 At the car. You know, I here gravel hitting all 205 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:47.559 over the top of the car. 206 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:51.000 It's hitting me. I could hear stuff being thrown up 207 00:11:51.039 --> 00:11:55.080 over the top of my head, you know, along with 208 00:11:55.120 --> 00:12:01.480 the brush, pieces of log rocks. Everything was flying around 209 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:03.720 me at this time. And then, like I said, you 210 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:06.080 start hearing all these other screams coming on at the 211 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:08.519 same time. So there's quite a few creatures out there 212 00:12:08.559 --> 00:12:10.320 at this time, and the skirt the hell out of me. 213 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:12.039 I actually tried to get back in the car, and 214 00:12:12.159 --> 00:12:15.159 my wife actually locked the doors wouldn't be in, so 215 00:12:15.200 --> 00:12:17.480 I kind of basically had to deal with this out there. 216 00:12:17.559 --> 00:12:19.639 She was actually terrified, so. 217 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:24.399 It was that was an interesting encounter, and everything just 218 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:30.480 went on for probably before they calmed down, I would say, 219 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:32.480 like twenty five minutes. And I said, there didn't make 220 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:34.200 any more sounds or roops. 221 00:12:34.000 --> 00:12:35.639 Or whatever, because I thought I'd bid off. 222 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:38.000 Moren neck and chew, and I thought I was actually 223 00:12:38.000 --> 00:12:44.279 gonna get pretty heard out there. I'm trying to remember 224 00:12:44.320 --> 00:12:46.720 all the whole instance because there's been some mis stuff 225 00:12:46.759 --> 00:12:51.759 going on out there. As they calmed down, and you 226 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:55.879 actuaid that you can still hear these juveniles vocalizing and stuff. 227 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:57.399 Ever so often. 228 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:03.919 They kind of settled down and they were just some 229 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:08.039 sounded like chatter out there, and I guess they were 230 00:13:08.519 --> 00:13:10.960 sound like people talking, but I couldn't understand what they 231 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.519 were saying because it was it wasn't like an English 232 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:14.360 language or whatever. 233 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:19.759 It was just people, you know, and then you know whatever. 234 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:25.000 I finally get convinced. 235 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.840 My wife to get out of the cars because she 236 00:13:26.840 --> 00:13:31.720 she was still thinking, uh, this female out there there 237 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:34.840 was there was a woman out there being hurt, because 238 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:37.720 the screams were like and it sounded exactly identical to 239 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:43.840 a woman screaming out there, buddy murder. I'm hyped up 240 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:45.519 on top. I'm trying to just little down here. 241 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:46.159 Anyway. 242 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:52.919 It's I'm telling her every since for like an hour 243 00:13:52.960 --> 00:13:55.120 and stuff. Who gets too here? All this talking going 244 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:57.080 on and branches breaking out there, And I was trying 245 00:13:57.080 --> 00:13:59.639 to convince my wife that that, yeah, there's nobody yells 246 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:04.080 out here, just late at night. And I took her, 247 00:14:04.480 --> 00:14:06.240 got back in the car. We took her down the 248 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:11.240 road there and down by the creek. There's a creek 249 00:14:11.360 --> 00:14:15.799 down there. And as we got out and I said, see, 250 00:14:15.799 --> 00:14:18.360 there's nobody here to shore, there's nobody around here in 251 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.279 this area. And they said there's no winning or anybody 252 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:24.000 else sitting around and just brushed this late at night, 253 00:14:24.399 --> 00:14:28.480 you know, making these noises or whatever. So anyway, as 254 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:32.200 we got to the car, we could they actually followed 255 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:35.559 this over these creatures. And we're only talking like a 256 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:40.279 quarter mile or whatever drive down there. They they were 257 00:14:40.320 --> 00:14:44.120 making all kinds of noises still down by the creek 258 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:50.720 value where we were at. So I dealt with that 259 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:54.320 for probably fifteen twenty minutes, and I says, you know what, 260 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:55.759 I'm gonna be back in the car and we'll just 261 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:58.360 go ahead and go because he started getting all riled 262 00:14:58.440 --> 00:14:59.080 up again. 263 00:14:59.480 --> 00:15:02.360 Big side, who will be right back after these messages? 264 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:22.919 So anyway, that's how we found Charlie site, and that's 265 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:24.960 where we started from there. 266 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:27.960 That's where I started. 267 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:33.440 Researching from basically expanded out from there to we have 268 00:15:34.399 --> 00:15:36.240 seven sites now. 269 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:38.679 From expanding from Charlie. 270 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.000 But I've had so many instances happened at charity over 271 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:42.799 the years. 272 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:46.679 But let me back it up here. 273 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.080 In twenty thirteen, which is the same time as incidents. 274 00:15:52.600 --> 00:15:56.519 They were from February to August. They were really a 275 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:01.200 vocal group out there. I mean every weekend we went 276 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:03.000 out there, just went on for hours where they were 277 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.799 calling back and forth and you could hear these creatures 278 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:13.919 communicate all the time out there, which since then it's 279 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:22.120 turned down from I think I remembers August September August thirtieth. 280 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:25.120 I think it was our last big time. I heard 281 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:31.840 the group out there vocalizing and chuck ads and actually 282 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:33.759 get the recording member. The last night we heard that 283 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:39.480 stuff out there, which is typical for this picture group. 284 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:44.480 But I believe the group moved on to the Northeast 285 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:50.039 Rainier over there. I know you said that saying that 286 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:53.120 is it's because somebody else recorded something similar to their 287 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:58.240 sounds I heard in twenty fifteen. I got was sharing 288 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:00.080 some of the stuff. I said, yes, sounds exactly that 289 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:00.519 I was. 290 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:04.720 Hearing out there. But occasionally we get these vocals or whatever. 291 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:07.839 So I want to jump I want to jump in 292 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:12.920 back something. The other day. It's so when I was 293 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:17.279 listening to your sounds that you sent over, I have 294 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:20.680 the same thought. I was, like, I've heard this same 295 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:24.960 stuff from individuals kind of yeah in the very near 296 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:27.519 area at the time that sent it to me. This 297 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:30.240 is like a year and a half ago, two years ago, 298 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:32.599 and I was like, oh man, it's the same deal. 299 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:34.519 This. 300 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:38.119 So this Charlie area, how many how big do you 301 00:17:38.160 --> 00:17:39.680 think is the group they have in there? 302 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:44.799 Then well the group is Committee Samson. This bigger group 303 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.160 like I'm talking about, moved to the northeast in right 304 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:51.640 now in this peculia, there's a new group of moving 305 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:56.000 into a smaller group was probably like four or five individuals. 306 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:56.000 At that time. 307 00:17:56.279 --> 00:17:59.519 That group, there was probably over ten individuals in that 308 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:05.079 group that moved. Now the area went yeah, the area 309 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:08.960 went quiet. I can't say it went quiet. But we 310 00:18:09.039 --> 00:18:12.400 had a single individual that we recorded for years. Just 311 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:18.839 believe it was a male and it's a juvenile. We 312 00:18:18.920 --> 00:18:22.839 know that, I think in twenty seventeen that's the one 313 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:29.079 I actually seen him, but we recorded him until just recently, 314 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.799 I believe last year. We know there's another group in 315 00:18:32.839 --> 00:18:38.759 there now because we've picked up juveniles. A male which 316 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.880 we believe is the same individual, has been there. He's 317 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:46.680 much bigger now those individuals eight fort two inches. But 318 00:18:46.720 --> 00:18:49.319 when you want to see him in twenty seventeen, by 319 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:55.079 the way. So but the group is, like I said, 320 00:18:55.200 --> 00:19:00.839 the group moving there out of these areas. I can't say, well, 321 00:19:01.519 --> 00:19:03.680 they're not really moving out because I said they were 322 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:10.519 always there. It's difficult to explain. But you know, this 323 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:12.920 big main group is not there anymore that they were 324 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:16.119 really boke. We're not getting vocalizations like that anymore at 325 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:21.319 all since twoy fifteen, kind of just kind of we 326 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:24.200 might get a long call or whatever, and you'll see 327 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:26.319 what I'm talking about. When you play your recordings, I 328 00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:27.440 know you've heard them already. 329 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:33.079 So absolutely so you've had actual visual sightings in this, uh, 330 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:36.160 this Charlie area. 331 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:37.200 I've had one to Charlie. 332 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:39.640 I've had one at Yankee, and I've had one on 333 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:45.440 over by National. The one of Yankee was the closest, 334 00:19:45.519 --> 00:19:48.759 the one to Charlie. I'll explaining Charlie. It was actually 335 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:51.640 it was in July. 336 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:56.160 I believe it was. Oh, I got my notes whatever, 337 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:57.440 but I know it was in July. 338 00:19:57.640 --> 00:20:01.599 I had Scott Taylor there would bf RO and we 339 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.640 had been doing some researching out there and I had 340 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:06.039 took him up the top of the other there's a 341 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:09.599 big giant hill at the base of this site. 342 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:12.440 And runs up about. 343 00:20:13.839 --> 00:20:17.079 Twenty five three thousand thousand feet I believe in elevation. 344 00:20:18.519 --> 00:20:21.720 But we were up there on top of the hill 345 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:23.759 looking around most they we found a lot of prints 346 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:27.279 up there. Remember Scott just tell me. He says, Oh, 347 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:29.519 I can't believe there does so many prints and stuff 348 00:20:29.559 --> 00:20:32.880 like that. And he says, I've never seen so many. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 349 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:35.119 it's old news to me. And I said, well, yeah, 350 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:36.640 I've been telling you how all along. It's got there 351 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:40.279 all over out here. Anyway, we went on to the 352 00:20:40.359 --> 00:20:44.200 site and to Delta, and I took him down there 353 00:20:44.240 --> 00:20:46.240 and let him see that site in that area and stuff. 354 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:48.720 And he's found some interesting stuff there. And we come 355 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:52.759 back to site and it was late evening, I think 356 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:56.240 it was around nine o'clock or whatever, and he had 357 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:57.880 set up a tent and stuff out there, and I 358 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:00.519 was about ready to just before dark. I always set 359 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:07.000 my equipment, recording equipment before dark. Anyway, I told Scottie 360 00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:09.400 I had to get out here and set this equipment 361 00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:13.680 or whatever. And as I did that, I would grab 362 00:21:13.759 --> 00:21:16.640 two parabolics and I had one new hand and I 363 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:19.960 was heading out to the east of Charlie to set 364 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:23.279 these up, and it was kind of. 365 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:26.319 Like misty out there. Get a lot of ring here. 366 00:21:27.160 --> 00:21:31.319 So and as I was trying to across these dead 367 00:21:31.359 --> 00:21:33.359 fall branches are on the ground, Like I said, it 368 00:21:33.440 --> 00:21:36.000 was an old logging site and everything I was slipping 369 00:21:36.039 --> 00:21:40.240 and sliding on these branches and everything I noticed off 370 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:43.039 to my left I had caught a side of some 371 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:45.519 movement over there, and I kind of stopped and looked 372 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:55.279 over there, and actually seeing the creature was actually like exaderate. 373 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:56.880 This about four foot. 374 00:21:56.599 --> 00:21:57.480 Wide or whatever. 375 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:00.000 And he standing behind the tree was probably a twelve 376 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:04.000 bench diamond tree, and he was trying to hide behind there. 377 00:22:05.759 --> 00:22:09.720 And as I was standing watching, I could see. 378 00:22:09.559 --> 00:22:13.079 His foot there's leg stepped back and he actually. 379 00:22:12.799 --> 00:22:16.200 Stepped on a branch. I could hear a crack, really 380 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:21.720 a loud and he stepped and stopped, and then he 381 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:24.400 turned around, peeked around the tree, looked right at. 382 00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:28.240 Me, and he just had to just to kind of 383 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:29.039 look on his face. 384 00:22:29.240 --> 00:22:32.920 But anyway, he looked down at the ground like where 385 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:35.079 he stopped like and looked back up at me like, 386 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:37.880 oh crap, I know this is an exaggeration. He just 387 00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:39.880 kind of like looked at me and just did that. 388 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:43.559 He pushed off the tree. He flew about twenty feet 389 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:46.240 over and all I could see his feet actually on 390 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:49.440 the back part of it, and he went down on 391 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:52.599 all fours and he zipped over to the east, you know, 392 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:56.920 like unbelievable speed, and he went back in the brush 393 00:22:56.920 --> 00:22:58.720 and he kind of mat his back there breaking branches 394 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:01.759 for a couple hours or whatever. So I kind of 395 00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:03.799 stood there for a minute, kind of like them found 396 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:06.119 it and going wow, what just look at you know, 397 00:23:06.359 --> 00:23:10.839 because I only had about I would probably say, ten 398 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:13.720 or fifteen seconds of really looking at the creature before 399 00:23:13.720 --> 00:23:15.920 it went down on old force and took off. So 400 00:23:16.319 --> 00:23:19.640 had kind of just high tailed up and talked to Scott, say, hey, Scott, 401 00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:23.720