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<v Speaker 1>Golf Smarter number three hundred and ninety two, published on

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<v Speaker 1>July ninth, twenty thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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<v Speaker 2>insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the

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<v Speaker 2>Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our

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<v Speaker 2>interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations

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<v Speaker 2>like this that are no longer available in any podcast app.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're before kids in career or after kids in career,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got a chance to practice, and you have to

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<v Speaker 3>practice a lot. This isn't that bucket of balls before

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<v Speaker 3>you play. You need to go five six times a

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<v Speaker 3>week and hit plenty of golf balls. And I've got

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<v Speaker 3>one story about a guy I used to work with.

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<v Speaker 3>He was on the PGA Tour back in the sixties

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<v Speaker 3>and he was one of the best college players ever

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<v Speaker 3>at the time of him being on the tour. Ben

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<v Speaker 3>Hogan said that he was one of the best players

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<v Speaker 3>on the tour. He just didn't know it, which he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know how to take it, whether as a compliment

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<v Speaker 3>or not. But anyways, he was switching his grip and

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<v Speaker 3>he was just making a little weaker so for him,

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<v Speaker 3>he was moving his right hand rotating it to the

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<v Speaker 3>left a little bit, and he asked Ben Hogan how

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<v Speaker 3>long it would take for it to be natural, and

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<v Speaker 3>Ben Hogan told him a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Your intent will impact ball striking success with Ken Doherty.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers

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<v Speaker 2>and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked

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<v Speaker 2>for your host, Fred Green.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Ken. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>it's good to have you back. I'm glad that you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are keeping very good care of this golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate that gives me something to look at. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to criticize anything.

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<v Speaker 3>That superintendent does a great job.

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<v Speaker 1>Your superintendent does a very good job. How big is

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<v Speaker 1>the staff his staff?

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<v Speaker 3>Superintendent, Yeah, I believe he's got a round fifteen working

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<v Speaker 3>for him.

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<v Speaker 1>Grounds crew. So because I noticed a a about eight o'clock,

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<v Speaker 1>seven thirty eight o'clock, there are machines running around and

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<v Speaker 1>there's three or four guys cleaning bunkers, and I got

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine they're not the only ones doing They must

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<v Speaker 1>be multiple groups simultaneous.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, And it depends on the day too. If

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<v Speaker 3>we're doing starting times off the first tea, they can

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<v Speaker 3>start at one and just go and stay ahead. But

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<v Speaker 3>if we have an event like we did this morning,

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<v Speaker 3>they've got to go off into different places to because

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<v Speaker 3>of the shotgun start that starts to day thirty. So

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<v Speaker 3>they get multiple groups that go to different holes and

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<v Speaker 3>go from.

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<v Speaker 1>There, and they have to stay ahead of those groups.

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<v Speaker 3>They got to stay ahead. And you know there's also

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<v Speaker 3>some areas like we have here in a residential area

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<v Speaker 3>where there's noise ordinance, so we have to stay away

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<v Speaker 3>from certain areas until seven am.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, let's get some questions have come in from

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<v Speaker 1>various listeners, and I thought it would be fun to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you about them. And the first one is

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's saying that they hit their woods really well,

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<v Speaker 1>but they can't hit irons at all. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>iron play versus hybrids and woods. Why, I would think

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<v Speaker 1>that the driver is probably the hardest club to hit.

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<v Speaker 3>Not necessarily, I think the hardest clubs to hit are

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<v Speaker 3>probably the long irons or even the three wood off

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<v Speaker 3>the ground. Those are probably the most difficult clubs to hit.

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<v Speaker 1>Why.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, there's several factors for one. Sometimes somebody's swing type

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<v Speaker 3>or shape can determine whether they are better at irons

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<v Speaker 3>or better at woods. If you have a very descending

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<v Speaker 3>blow on your swing descending angle, well, irons might be

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<v Speaker 3>better for you. You might a wood needs to be

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<v Speaker 3>more of a shallow approach, a sweeping type swing. You

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<v Speaker 3>also have a hozzle that's on that iron, and you

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<v Speaker 3>can hit a golf ball on the heel of a

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<v Speaker 3>golf club and a wood you're going to be fine,

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<v Speaker 3>and an iron you're going to be in some trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, there's again there's different factors. I think

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of people. I think you only find that

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<v Speaker 3>the better golfers really descend into the ball the way

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<v Speaker 3>they should, So the higher the handicap, the better, or

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're happier they'll be with their woods because

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<v Speaker 3>you don't have to descend. It's more of a sweeping

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<v Speaker 3>People tend to jump up and look up and try

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<v Speaker 3>to lift the ball up. Well, you can kind of

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<v Speaker 3>get away with that with a wood, so I think

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<v Speaker 3>you know, when you tee it up with a driver,

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<v Speaker 3>it's funny. Some people have a more difficult time with

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<v Speaker 3>a driver because it's so long and it's so cumbersome

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<v Speaker 3>that they have a hard time getting through it and

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<v Speaker 3>they slice the ball where others the balls teed up.

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<v Speaker 3>So it is easier for them because there's they don't

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<v Speaker 3>worry about hitting the ground. They feel free to swing.

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<v Speaker 3>So it really depends on an individual and sometimes what

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<v Speaker 3>those individual flaws are in their swing it can determine it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you really need to develop different swings for your irons,

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<v Speaker 1>as you do have with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and here's a perfect example. When I first started

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<v Speaker 3>started hitting at hybrid, I didn't hit it very well

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<v Speaker 3>and I kept one why And it wasn't until I

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<v Speaker 3>figured out that it was it was an iron. It

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<v Speaker 3>was more like an iron. You've got to hit this

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<v Speaker 3>on a descending blow that I you know, I moved

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<v Speaker 3>the ball back a little bit my stands to create

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<v Speaker 3>more of an iron type hit and my intent, which

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<v Speaker 3>I think is a very important thing in golf, is

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<v Speaker 3>your intent. My intent was to swing and hit down

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<v Speaker 3>on the ball instead of trimating and committing to my intent.

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<v Speaker 3>Once I did that, I've it's my favorite club in

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<v Speaker 3>the bag. I love hybrids because of that. Yeah, So

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<v Speaker 3>it's a I think a lot of times it's intent.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually considered. Recently, I've been struggling with my five

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<v Speaker 1>iron because I have a hybrid for my four and

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<v Speaker 1>my three iron, so and I love them. Guess what's

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<v Speaker 1>coming and I'm I'm really considering getting rid of my

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<v Speaker 1>uh so right now I have driver three wood, two hybrids,

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<v Speaker 1>then five, six, seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me ask you a question before you go on.

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<v Speaker 3>Why do you have a three wood?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you like your three I love my three wood? Okay, so,

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<v Speaker 1>but here's the interesting point. So Jesse Ortiz of Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>Jones Golf, he was, I went down. It's about an

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<v Speaker 1>hour away, and hey where his shop is. And he

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<v Speaker 1>made me these clubs, and he said, I'm gonna I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make this club for you, but based on your

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<v Speaker 1>numbers that you provided me once you got fitted, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to make it more like a four wood, but

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<v Speaker 1>you can tell everyone it's a three wood.

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<v Speaker 3>Good for him, And so he answered, you answered my question.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't really hit a three wood. Three woods are

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<v Speaker 3>very difficult to hit. And bye, by the makeup of

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<v Speaker 3>your set, I'm thinking if you like all those clubs,

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<v Speaker 3>there's gonna be a big difference between your three wood

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<v Speaker 3>and your hybrid. So there's got to be something in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle. So that forwood helps that it moves it

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<v Speaker 3>a little closer. So two things are going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>You may not hit it as far as the three wood,

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<v Speaker 3>but I guarantee you're going to be more consistent. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's much more important.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you that I recently have put the

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<v Speaker 1>driver in the bag for the first four or five

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<v Speaker 1>holes because I'm so much more confident with my three

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<v Speaker 1>four wood four three wood, and and and it just

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<v Speaker 1>gives me more confidences that go on. And then as

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've got my swing and I know

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm going, I'll pull out the driver. Smart play,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, but golf smarter. So but I don't you know, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>on my driver, I'm going to tee it up very high.

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<v Speaker 1>And my and my my hybrid, my three four wood, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>give me crazy. On on the wood, you know, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>tee them up very low. Like if I'm going to

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<v Speaker 3>Where's your driver go right, left, high, low? What's proba?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if I start with it, it's gonna it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go right. Okay, it's gonna go right. Sometimes a nice

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<v Speaker 1>fade my ball has a tendency to fade to the right.

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<v Speaker 3>You're the instructor, I'm asking you. I've never given you

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<v Speaker 3>a lesson. Have you taken lessons? Well kind of yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>So you don't have that answer.

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<v Speaker 1>Why it goes to the right is because I I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I I think that it's because I'm going inside.

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<v Speaker 3>Out, outside in. You're most likely swinging to the left

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<v Speaker 3>of your target and your club face is open. So

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<v Speaker 3>now you got to.

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<v Speaker 1>Determine with my wrists breaking too, you.

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<v Speaker 3>Got to determine why you're not closing that club face

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<v Speaker 3>and why you're swinging what they call over the top

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<v Speaker 3>or you know, to the left of your target.

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<v Speaker 1>The lessons that I've been working on recently, I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>learning how to roll my hands over for the impact.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like wow, And that's a hard one because then

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<v Speaker 1>I'm able to keep the right angle on the club

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<v Speaker 1>farther down and then make the roll.

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<v Speaker 3>Just remember this, tend to call me. Let's give you

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<v Speaker 3>a lesson intent anytime we have at our We have

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<v Speaker 3>a hitting bay at our facility with with video and

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<v Speaker 3>a flight scope which is a launch monitor and it's

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<v Speaker 3>radar base and it gives you all the details of

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<v Speaker 3>club face angle and and uh uh swing path and

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<v Speaker 3>ball speed, clubhead speed, you name it, spin rate. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's a great tool to have. But I can

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<v Speaker 3>tell you without even seeing in your swing, most slicers,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm gonna put you in a general category, most

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<v Speaker 3>slicers turn rotate their chest too quickly through the ball,

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<v Speaker 3>and not their wrists and forearms, their hands and forearms.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's the other thing I've been working on is

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<v Speaker 1>my hip turn on the back swing.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Increasingly having one.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, right, where do your shoulders aim at impact?

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<v Speaker 1>At impact? Probably left? Yeah, it probably should that's right,

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<v Speaker 1>and that should be at They should be square square.

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<v Speaker 3>This is so much fun, and that would that would

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully allow you to turn your hands over. Once you

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<v Speaker 3>turn your shoulders way too past your your target line

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<v Speaker 3>or left of your target line, you are not going

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<v Speaker 3>left unless you will with a short iron, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>easy to keep the clubhead of the short club up

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<v Speaker 3>with your rotation, but because the club is so long

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<v Speaker 3>for the driver, your your body will turn much quicker

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<v Speaker 3>than your hands can get the club head squared up.

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a good there's a good drill to feel

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<v Speaker 3>the right motion.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would love to hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a good drill to feel the right motion.

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<v Speaker 1>And I would love to hear it.

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<v Speaker 3>What you need to do is put get the distance

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<v Speaker 3>away from the ball that you want to hit the ball. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Put your feet so they're touching together. Okay, and now

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<v Speaker 3>if you're in a walking motion. Okay, so you're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>both feet. Okay. So your feet were together, yep, your

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<v Speaker 3>handed golfer, okay, okay, and I want you to take

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<v Speaker 3>I know that you hear about the rotation and rotate, rotate,

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't think slicers use their hands and forearms enough.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't snap their their their club head through. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>So try that drill, and if you're a left hander,

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<v Speaker 3>So with the The key though, is to keep that

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<v Speaker 1>And the goal here is to be square at impact,

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you're gonna be forced to You're gonna be forced

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<v Speaker 1>That's what it feels like. I'm doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. And the key you got to keep your

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<v Speaker 1>That's always been a problem to keep your balance on

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<v Speaker 1>my driver especially, it's always been a problem where I'll

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<v Speaker 1>take it. You know, I'll finish my swing and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>where I started. Well, swing too hard.

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<v Speaker 3>A drill for that is the same one. Make sure

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<v Speaker 3>that your feet are together. Put your right foot back,

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<v Speaker 3>you could even to make it real difficult, put the

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<v Speaker 3>right foot directly behind the left foot, both on the ground,

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<v Speaker 3>not touching each other. In the same distance away as

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<v Speaker 3>if you were walking, and then put both feet down

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<v Speaker 3>and try to take a golf swing and watch how

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<v Speaker 3>difficult it is to keep your balance. But if you

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<v Speaker 3>hit the ball and keep your balance count to two

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<v Speaker 3>or three after you swing, watch how much better your

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<v Speaker 3>So it's it's very good. You won't find yourself most

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<v Speaker 3>people fall away from it to their back foot and

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<v Speaker 3>you'll find yourself losing your balance quite a bit initially.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's a real good drill to feel your head

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<v Speaker 3>still and have you swing around to around a center.

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<v Speaker 1>All we got to figure out how we can get

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<v Speaker 1>a video of this of that drill. Sure, yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to put that up.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll put you on it.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you you're going to be giving.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll swing. I do it all the time, and I'll

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<v Speaker 3>show you how to do it and keep your balance.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome, Oh that's great. So what is it? What does

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<v Speaker 1>it mean when occasionally I'll just on a driver t shot, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just pop the ball up.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what happens also when you come over the top

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<v Speaker 3>is you create a very steep angle of attack. That's right.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're coming over the top, you create a steep

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<v Speaker 3>angle of attack, and when you hit basically down on

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<v Speaker 3>the ball, the ball goes straight up in the air.

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<v Speaker 1>And how many times have I played with people do

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. Oh, I tee it up too high.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not the reason, although it's you know, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 3>it's possible, but for the most part, it's an over

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<v Speaker 3>the top move and a steep angle of attack. And

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<v Speaker 3>what you want when you're hitting a driver, you actually

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<v Speaker 3>want to be on the upswing that that ball. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why we put it up by the inside of our

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<v Speaker 3>left heel. If you're a right handed golfer, is so

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<v Speaker 3>you want to hit this thing just as it starts

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<v Speaker 3>the upswing of your of your arc.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there is. I do have one video on golf

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<v Speaker 1>Smarter TV where he's how to hit straight drives a

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<v Speaker 1>teacher up in Lake Tahoe, and he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>get your feet together at the ball. Address the ball.

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<v Speaker 1>Put your feet together, take a very little step to

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<v Speaker 1>the left with your right your left foot, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a big step.

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<v Speaker 3>To the right. That's exactly what you want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, if if this is an issue for you. You

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<v Speaker 1>should definitely look at the video on a golf Smarter

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<v Speaker 1>TV on our YouTube channel. All right, Ken, now coming

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<v Speaker 1>to the realization that hybrids are irons, Yes, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>not playing like like woods, and you have to you

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<v Speaker 1>have to have a difference. You have to develop two

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of swings. You can't have the same swing. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not easy to do. Now, it's not what is the difference? Well, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of times it's intent. And remember

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<v Speaker 1>you're putting the ball forward for a wood, so you

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<v Speaker 1>want to hit a sweeping type motion. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>the big thing with irons is I think people can

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<v Speaker 1>get away from the woods because it is at the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom the swing's arc or with a driver on the

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<v Speaker 1>way up. And I think that the average golfer does

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<v Speaker 1>not hit down on the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>They swing up on the ball. So that makes an

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<v Speaker 3>iron very difficult. So intent has to change. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think another drill that's very good is if you put

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<v Speaker 3>a tee in the ground about an inch past the ball,

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<v Speaker 3>right in front of the ball about an inch and

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that the tea is about grass light, grass

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<v Speaker 3>level or even a little lower. And I want you

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<v Speaker 3>to not only hit the golf ball, but I want

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<v Speaker 3>you to knock the tea out of the ground, so

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<v Speaker 3>the t is barely going to be above the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>And wait, with which club is this any iron? Any iron?

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<v Speaker 3>Any iron? I want you to make sure that you

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<v Speaker 3>take it so that the divot goes forward. Now this

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<v Speaker 3>this what it does is it gives you something visual

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<v Speaker 3>to go after, and it changes your intent. And I

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<v Speaker 3>believe wholeheartedly in intent. If you try to lift the ball,

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<v Speaker 3>that's what you're gonna do. You're going to try to

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<v Speaker 3>get the ball in the air. Your body's gonna come up,

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to lift your hands up. If you change

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<v Speaker 3>beyond the ball, I'm going to make the divot beyond

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<v Speaker 3>the ball, you can change the mechanics of your swing

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<v Speaker 3>by changing your intent. I do it a lot in

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<v Speaker 3>the bunker with people too. I do it with chip shots.

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<v Speaker 3>Change their intent and they hit better shots. We didn't

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the mechanics, but yet their mechanics changed. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's a very good drill. When you're on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground and you're having trouble making a divot is

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<v Speaker 3>to just put that tea. Put that little carrot out

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<v Speaker 3>there and go after it, and do it until you

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<v Speaker 3>start knocking that tea out of the ground, and you

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<v Speaker 3>watch the difference. You'll compress the ball, You'll hit it farther,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll hit it more solid. You won't believe how good

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<v Speaker 3>it feels.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the whole concept of little ball, big ball versus

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<v Speaker 1>big ball hitting big ball, ball, big ball being earth.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>You need a little ball then the big ball. And

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<v Speaker 1>it is such a hard thing for the average golfer,

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<v Speaker 1>from what I witness and from what I experience, uh

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<v Speaker 1>to to get a good divot.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't grow up well. Some obviously, the people that

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<v Speaker 3>start playing golf early get it. It's easy to learn

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<v Speaker 3>when you're younger, but when you're older, it's harder to learn.

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<v Speaker 3>And also when you're growing up, you don't play any

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<v Speaker 3>other sport. I guess maybe hockey, but you don't really

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<v Speaker 3>play any other sport where you're swinging down to make

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<v Speaker 3>the ball go up. You know, baseball isn't meant to

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<v Speaker 3>hit that way. You don't play tennis that way. So

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's very unorthodox.

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<v Speaker 1>All right now, I want to get back to your

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<v Speaker 1>You're real high on the word intent. Yeah, okay, intent

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<v Speaker 1>is not getting the ball unto the green. That's not

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<v Speaker 1>what you mean.

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<v Speaker 3>I think. I think that that's another level of it,

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<v Speaker 3>if your intent is to get the ball green instead

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<v Speaker 3>of saying I don't want to go in the bunker.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think that there's also that positive thought too.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, well, if you're think if you got the

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<v Speaker 1>bunker in your head at all, that's not a positive thought.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't even think about it exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So to find intent in what you mean when

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about using your wood versus the hybrid, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know what your intent is on the swing? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have different types of swings.

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<v Speaker 3>I do, and when when I have an iron in

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<v Speaker 3>my hand, I am trying to purposely stay down and

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<v Speaker 3>take a divit. I can see a blade of grass

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<v Speaker 3>beyond the ball, and my intent is to swing down

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<v Speaker 3>through that grass. Do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Aim when you're addressing when you're at a dress. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you looking at the front of the ball, the back

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<v Speaker 1>of the ball, the center of the ball. What are

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<v Speaker 1>you looking at? What is and is that your end point?

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<v Speaker 3>It doesn't matter what I'm looking at because I don't

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<v Speaker 3>see what I'm looking at and you're gonna look at

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<v Speaker 3>me like what Wait a minute, okay, what Yeah, exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what I do before I take a swing, as I

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<v Speaker 3>pick a target. It could be a chimney, it could be.

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<v Speaker 1>A branch routine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so I'm building the image that I want to

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<v Speaker 3>swing at. If that chimney's above my flagstick, or a

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<v Speaker 3>tower on the hillside, or a tree branch or sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>it has to be the flagstick itself, I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 3>that and I'm building that image in my head. So

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<v Speaker 3>when I finally look back down to the ball, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>there for about a second or less and I see

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<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to stay totally positive.

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<v Speaker 1>So the ball is not the target.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so no, I look at the ball, but I

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<v Speaker 3>really am not seeing it. I mean, that's more of

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<v Speaker 3>him when I periphery, because I'm still I still have

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<v Speaker 3>that object in my head because I want to swing

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<v Speaker 3>positively at something where I'm going, and that does a

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<v Speaker 3>few things. It takes the mechanics out of my head.

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<v Speaker 3>Too many people think mechanically and they think backwards when

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<v Speaker 3>they're swinging and playing golf. Think backwards on the range.

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<v Speaker 3>When you're on the golf course.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean thinks backswing?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, thinking of their backswing, their position, cocking the wrists,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever they have to think of. I think that you

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<v Speaker 3>need to think of that stuff on the range when

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<v Speaker 3>you go play golf. You need to play golf and

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<v Speaker 3>think forward. Always think forward when you're playing golf.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you an advocate of target golf? Yes, focusing on that.

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<v Speaker 3>Target absolutely, because again, it takes mind off your mechanics

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<v Speaker 3>and trouble there's people think of mechanics, they also think

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<v Speaker 3>of oh no, there's out of bounds over there, so

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<v Speaker 3>they're right, Oh, I got to stay away from that bunker. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't hit it in the water. You know that type

425
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<v Speaker 3>of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've always cracked up that when you and you

427
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<v Speaker 1>just said, you've set me up perfectly. Don't hit it

428
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<v Speaker 1>in the water. Don't hit What are the last three words.

429
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<v Speaker 3>That hit it in the water? Exactly?

430
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

431
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<v Speaker 3>And that's why I think that building that image in

432
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<v Speaker 3>your head and swinging at it, it does several things

433
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<v Speaker 3>and they're all positive. It keeps mechanics out of your head.

434
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<v Speaker 3>It makes you think of forward, and you don't think

435
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<v Speaker 3>of hitting it someplace negatively. You think of hitting something

436
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<v Speaker 3>authoritatively at a positive object, and I think that's very important.

437
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<v Speaker 3>And you go ahead and think of other sports. When

438
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<v Speaker 3>you're shooting a basketball up and do a hoop, do

439
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<v Speaker 3>you think of how you're cocking your arm back and

440
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<v Speaker 3>the philosophy there you're exactly you're looking at your target

441
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<v Speaker 3>and shooting at it. And I think we do that

442
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<v Speaker 3>in most sports. The golf we don't. And one of

443
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<v Speaker 3>the reasons why we don't is we can think about

444
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<v Speaker 3>it before we swing.

445
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<v Speaker 1>Well, right, I mean, I have a book over there

446
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<v Speaker 1>and we've done this show. The head pro over at

447
00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:38.599
<v Speaker 1>Pinehurst did this book on and I can't I think

448
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<v Speaker 1>an intentional putting. But it's it's he looks at the hole.

449
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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't look at the ball. I mean, he gets

450
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<v Speaker 1>all set and then he's you know, he does. Why

451
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<v Speaker 1>why are we looking down at the ball when that's

452
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<v Speaker 1>not the target.

453
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's still a rarity to see.

454
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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, practicing like practicing like that.

455
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<v Speaker 3>I see people practicing like that, but I don't know

456
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<v Speaker 3>if I've really seen anybody on the golf course doing it. Yeah,

457
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<v Speaker 3>that's a good question. Why I don't. I'm not quite sure.

458
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<v Speaker 1>But would you ever try to putt like that?

459
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<v Speaker 3>No, but I can understand the practice of either looking

460
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<v Speaker 3>at the hole or even better yet looking at the hole,

461
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<v Speaker 3>going back to the ball and closing your eyes. I

462
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<v Speaker 3>like that.

463
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<v Speaker 1>Whoa, whoa, wha, wha.

464
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<v Speaker 3>What you closing your eyes when you're talking about I'm

465
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<v Speaker 3>talking about practicing now? Oh okay, yeah, because I think

466
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<v Speaker 3>it's important to get the feel and when you take

467
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<v Speaker 3>the vision out of it, you have to feel the

468
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<v Speaker 3>stroke and feel how much you're swinging and so on.

469
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<v Speaker 3>So I think that's very good because I think we

470
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<v Speaker 3>sometimes allow ourselves to use our vision too much and

471
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<v Speaker 3>it can fake you out. And I think it's a

472
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<v Speaker 3>comfort to have yet another sense working for you.

473
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<v Speaker 1>So a lot of what you're talking about makes sense

474
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<v Speaker 1>for somebody who's been playing golf for most of their

475
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<v Speaker 1>life and they don't think about it. Then you get

476
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<v Speaker 1>to person and there are so many people, and I

477
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<v Speaker 1>receeve emails from people I just started playing golf, or

478
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<v Speaker 1>I've just picked it up again after being away for

479
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<v Speaker 1>twenty years, or you know, I'm about to retire and

480
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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking of playing golf. A lot of that, Okay,

481
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<v Speaker 1>So you people who start out at a different part

482
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<v Speaker 1>of life, and so they're much more in their head

483
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<v Speaker 1>than a kid. Right, the ball just landed in my backyard.

484
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<v Speaker 3>The hazards are living on a golf course.

485
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<v Speaker 1>I rarely ever hear it hit the Uh it must

486
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<v Speaker 1>have hit the card path ors. I'm because I'm so

487
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<v Speaker 1>glad my wife isn't here, because I've convinced her that

488
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<v Speaker 1>we'll never get it's yeah. Wow. So so when someone

489
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<v Speaker 1>like myself who started playing at forty okay, and then

490
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<v Speaker 1>I played for a number of years before I took

491
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<v Speaker 1>my first lesson, and now all of a sudden, the

492
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<v Speaker 1>mechanics are just driving me nuts because how do I

493
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<v Speaker 1>I've got a nice preshot routine. I focus on a target,

494
00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:56.960
<v Speaker 1>I step up to the ball and try not to

495
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<v Speaker 1>think of it. But there are now all these things,

496
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<v Speaker 1>and it's not easy when you've been through as much

497
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<v Speaker 1>life as you've been and you understand process to knock

498
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<v Speaker 1>that stuff out of your head. How do you do that?

499
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<v Speaker 3>Very good question, that's a that's a book of psychology.

500
00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:15.559
<v Speaker 3>I mean, really, that's the mind game, which there's books

501
00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:19.480
<v Speaker 3>you know it. Yeah, that's a great question. You do

502
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.319
<v Speaker 3>have to separate range from golf course and you can

503
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<v Speaker 3>be analytical as you as you want on the range,

504
00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:26.640
<v Speaker 3>but you need to be free spirited in that golf

505
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<v Speaker 3>course and you need to find a way to do it.

506
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<v Speaker 3>And I think that if you can think of that target,

507
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<v Speaker 3>you'll you'll do a better job of it. Some people

508
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<v Speaker 3>are also just built analytically, you know, they rip apart

509
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<v Speaker 3>everything in detail, and you're not going to change that.

510
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<v Speaker 1>Right right? Are there people who who that your experience

511
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<v Speaker 1>that are new to taking lessons as an adult and

512
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<v Speaker 1>and they are not analytical? After they walk away, don't

513
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<v Speaker 1>you kind of test them's like what did you learn?

514
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<v Speaker 1>What's your takeaway today?

515
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<v Speaker 3>And oh yeah, yeah. I think when you take a

516
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<v Speaker 3>lesson and I took about fifteen years ago, I took

517
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<v Speaker 3>a tennis a bunch of tennis lessons just to just

518
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<v Speaker 3>to be on that side of the ball. And also

519
00:25:09.279 --> 00:25:12.000
<v Speaker 3>I had people that played tennis and golf because I

520
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:13.799
<v Speaker 3>was at a country club that and I just wanted

521
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<v Speaker 3>to see the differences between ball contact and everything. And

522
00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:20.759
<v Speaker 3>what I found was something I took away something different

523
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<v Speaker 3>than I thought I would. I was thinking of where

524
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<v Speaker 3>my right foot, my left foot, where my racket should

525
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<v Speaker 3>be when I should take it back behind me. The

526
00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:31.200
<v Speaker 3>ball went. You know, I held onto the racket so tightly.

527
00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:33.720
<v Speaker 3>I was terrible because I was thinking so mechanically. So

528
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<v Speaker 3>I think when you get involved at our age with

529
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.039
<v Speaker 3>a new sport, that's what you're going to do. And

530
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<v Speaker 3>it's only time that's going to get you separated from

531
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<v Speaker 3>all those mechanics to feeling the game, because I think

532
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:49.000
<v Speaker 3>you need to get to a point where you're feeling

533
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:51.960
<v Speaker 3>it more than you're just thinking mechanically. I don't think

534
00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:54.079
<v Speaker 3>you can help, but once you take a lesson, you're

535
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<v Speaker 3>going to be thinking about it well.

536
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<v Speaker 1>And then you go. You take your lesson, and you

537
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<v Speaker 1>be huzz You're paying for lessons. Now you're diligent about practicing,

538
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:05.880
<v Speaker 1>which is not always easy to do when life gets

539
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:07.599
<v Speaker 1>in the way. It's more about, oh, I have an

540
00:26:07.599 --> 00:26:09.519
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to play golf grade. I'll hit a bucket of

541
00:26:09.559 --> 00:26:13.319
<v Speaker 1>balls before that, but practicing in between is not always

542
00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.960
<v Speaker 1>an easy thing to do. And so now I've gone,

543
00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:19.720
<v Speaker 1>I remember what I had my lesson. I've been thinking

544
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:21.759
<v Speaker 1>about it at night. I go and I practice, and

545
00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:23.599
<v Speaker 1>I come out to the course and now a couple

546
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:25.359
<v Speaker 1>of weeks go by and I feel like I'm starting

547
00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to get the hang of it. I go back for

548
00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:29.960
<v Speaker 1>my next lesson and I'm doing everything wrong. I gotta

549
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:34.920
<v Speaker 1>start all over again. I hate this game. And it's like, no, no, no,

550
00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:36.920
<v Speaker 1>what are you doing? What is that where you're not

551
00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.119
<v Speaker 1>getting a right? And then there's one more thing he

552
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:41.599
<v Speaker 1>wants to add, and one more thing he wants to add.

553
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<v Speaker 1>It's like, how do I break this down? How do

554
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<v Speaker 1>I keep this all straight?

555
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<v Speaker 3>I want to how often do you practice? You just

556
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<v Speaker 3>you answered the question a few seconds ago about practice

557
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<v Speaker 3>and making it difficult, And it is very difficult if

558
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<v Speaker 3>you're you know, if you're before kids in career or

559
00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:00.039
<v Speaker 3>after kids in career, you've got a chance to practice,

560
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:02.400
<v Speaker 3>and you have to practice a lot. This isn't that

561
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 3>bucket of balls before you play. You need to go

562
00:27:05.920 --> 00:27:09.640
<v Speaker 3>five six times a week and hit plenty of golf balls.

563
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<v Speaker 3>And I've got one story about a guy used to

564
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<v Speaker 3>work with. He was on the PGA tour back in

565
00:27:15.359 --> 00:27:18.079
<v Speaker 3>the sixties, and he was one of the best college

566
00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.880
<v Speaker 3>players ever. And at the time of him being on

567
00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:24.200
<v Speaker 3>the tour, Ben Hogan said that he was one of

568
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:27.880
<v Speaker 3>the best players on the tour. He just didn't know it,

569
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:29.880
<v Speaker 3>which he didn't know how to take it, whether it

570
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:32.920
<v Speaker 3>was a compliment or not. But anyways, he asked ben Hogan,

571
00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:34.680
<v Speaker 3>he was switching his grip and he was just making

572
00:27:34.720 --> 00:27:36.519
<v Speaker 3>a little weaker so for him, he was moving his

573
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:38.880
<v Speaker 3>right hand rotating it to the left a little bit.

574
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:41.200
<v Speaker 3>And he asked ben Hogan how long it would take

575
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.720
<v Speaker 3>for it to be natural, and ben Hogan told him

576
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.200
<v Speaker 3>a year. This is a guy who plays for a

577
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:51.720
<v Speaker 3>living and he practices every day for several hours. So

578
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:52.920
<v Speaker 3>if it's going to take a guy.

579
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<v Speaker 1>Well, Tiger Woods is a perfect exact Well, hey, he exactly.

580
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.039
<v Speaker 3>He switches his swing and he disappeared for a couple

581
00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.960
<v Speaker 3>of times, for a year or so and more. Yeah,

582
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.240
<v Speaker 3>so I mean it. You know, you don't want to

583
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:06.519
<v Speaker 3>discourage the average joe out there, but you know it's there.

584
00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:10.000
<v Speaker 3>You're all average joe's and it's it's it is golf,

585
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:14.200
<v Speaker 3>and it's very difficult to change. And when you to

586
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:17.119
<v Speaker 3>be have it become natural is very difficult. What you will.

587
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<v Speaker 3>What I do tell people is when I give them

588
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:21.519
<v Speaker 3>something to change, I said, okay, for a long time,

589
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:24.559
<v Speaker 3>you're going to have to do this consciously and you're

590
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:27.559
<v Speaker 3>going to have to exaggerate it because in most cases

591
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:31.279
<v Speaker 3>I'll probably get one or two people a year of

592
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:33.480
<v Speaker 3>all the lessons I give that when I say take

593
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:35.799
<v Speaker 3>it more to the inside, they yank it way to

594
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:39.720
<v Speaker 3>the inside. Usually when I make them change something, I

595
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:43.559
<v Speaker 3>have to tell them. The expression in life is you

596
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:45.559
<v Speaker 3>give an inch and somebody takes a foot. Well, when

597
00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.400
<v Speaker 3>I give lessons, I have to ask for a foot

598
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:51.400
<v Speaker 3>almost always to get an inch. And it's great to

599
00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:53.720
<v Speaker 3>have video to back it up because people feel dramatic

600
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 3>change and they say, well, I did I shortened my

601
00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:59.039
<v Speaker 3>swing like you asked me to. Uh? And then I

602
00:28:59.039 --> 00:29:01.599
<v Speaker 3>show them on the video and they haven't at all,

603
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:04.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, or it's been so incremental they feel like

604
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.400
<v Speaker 3>they've made a half a backswing. So I think that

605
00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.319
<v Speaker 3>in most cases people have to do it consciously and

606
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:13.279
<v Speaker 3>exaggerate it for a long time. And you you need

607
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:15.839
<v Speaker 3>you know, this day and age, you can video yourself

608
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:16.559
<v Speaker 3>very easily.

609
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.079
<v Speaker 1>You know, oh my gosh, your phone on your phone,

610
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.119
<v Speaker 1>you can right to a teacher and you.

611
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.240
<v Speaker 3>Can do that pretty simply. So I would I would

612
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:27.599
<v Speaker 3>recommend doing that. Now, there's some things that people aren't

613
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.759
<v Speaker 3>too keen to see that. You know, they don't. They

614
00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:33.440
<v Speaker 3>don't swing enough or know the game enough to know

615
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:35.440
<v Speaker 3>what the problem is. But I think if we told

616
00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:37.160
<v Speaker 3>you something simple like hey, you got to have your

617
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 3>swing shortened and it should be about at this point

618
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.559
<v Speaker 3>in your swing, I think they can do that pretty

619
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:42.640
<v Speaker 3>easily on their own.

620
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<v Speaker 1>Well, when you when you leave a lesson, you're at

621
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<v Speaker 1>the level of conscious incompetence. Yeah, and the goal is

622
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:53.759
<v Speaker 1>to get to unconscious competence, right, so you're not thinking

623
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:55.759
<v Speaker 1>about it and you can do it. But that's a

624
00:29:55.759 --> 00:29:58.519
<v Speaker 1>long haul. It's a lot. There's there's many levels between

625
00:29:58.720 --> 00:30:03.359
<v Speaker 1>unconscious are conscious incompetence and unconscious competence.

626
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<v Speaker 3>And you better know when you leave a lesson what

627
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.480
<v Speaker 3>you're doing wrong and what you need to do to

628
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.680
<v Speaker 3>correct it. And it might be different for different people,

629
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<v Speaker 3>you know, we're all different. I have a saying that says,

630
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<v Speaker 3>if you think of chocolate ice cream and you hit

631
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.119
<v Speaker 3>the ball, well, then that's your thought. And what I

632
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<v Speaker 3>mean by that is I can tell four people four

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<v Speaker 3>different things. You never know what's going to work for you. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it could be it could be intent, it could be

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<v Speaker 3>swing thought, it could be imagery, it could be something

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<v Speaker 3>you feel you just never know right.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that as a golf instructor that you

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<v Speaker 1>have to it's not one size fits all. You have

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<v Speaker 1>to understand what each person is is doing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll try the most common thing that works, and then

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<v Speaker 3>I'll just go down the list and I'll just keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so interesting, Ken, Thanks, thank you,
