1 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:03,799 Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number three hundred and ninety two, published on 2 00:00:03,919 --> 00:00:05,799 July ninth, twenty thirteen. 3 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 2: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain 4 00:00:11,199 --> 00:00:14,759 insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:20,800 Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:25,679 interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations 7 00:00:25,839 --> 00:00:29,359 like this that are no longer available in any podcast app. 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 3: If you're before kids in career or after kids in career, 9 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:35,679 you've got a chance to practice, and you have to 10 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:38,439 practice a lot. This isn't that bucket of balls before 11 00:00:38,439 --> 00:00:41,320 you play. You need to go five six times a 12 00:00:41,359 --> 00:00:44,439 week and hit plenty of golf balls. And I've got 13 00:00:44,439 --> 00:00:46,200 one story about a guy I used to work with. 14 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,560 He was on the PGA Tour back in the sixties 15 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:50,960 and he was one of the best college players ever 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:53,320 at the time of him being on the tour. Ben 17 00:00:53,359 --> 00:00:55,920 Hogan said that he was one of the best players 18 00:00:56,039 --> 00:00:58,719 on the tour. He just didn't know it, which he 19 00:00:58,759 --> 00:01:00,640 didn't know how to take it, whether as a compliment 20 00:01:00,679 --> 00:01:02,799 or not. But anyways, he was switching his grip and 21 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:04,599 he was just making a little weaker so for him, 22 00:01:04,599 --> 00:01:06,519 he was moving his right hand rotating it to the 23 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,280 left a little bit, and he asked Ben Hogan how 24 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,040 long it would take for it to be natural, and 25 00:01:11,079 --> 00:01:12,319 Ben Hogan told him a year. 26 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,359 Speaker 1: Your intent will impact ball striking success with Ken Doherty. 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 2: This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers 28 00:01:27,799 --> 00:01:31,319 and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked 29 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,040 for your host, Fred Green. 30 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Ken. Thank you, 31 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:39,760 it's good to have you back. I'm glad that you 32 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,959 guys are keeping very good care of this golf course. 33 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,079 I appreciate that gives me something to look at. I 34 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,560 don't have to criticize anything. 35 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 3: That superintendent does a great job. 36 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: Your superintendent does a very good job. How big is 37 00:01:52,159 --> 00:01:54,280 the staff his staff? 38 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 3: Superintendent, Yeah, I believe he's got a round fifteen working 39 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:57,799 for him. 40 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: Grounds crew. So because I noticed a a about eight o'clock, 41 00:02:03,239 --> 00:02:06,159 seven thirty eight o'clock, there are machines running around and 42 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:10,719 there's three or four guys cleaning bunkers, and I got 43 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:12,599 to imagine they're not the only ones doing They must 44 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,719 be multiple groups simultaneous. 45 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:16,479 Speaker 3: That's right, And it depends on the day too. If 46 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,479 we're doing starting times off the first tea, they can 47 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,800 start at one and just go and stay ahead. But 48 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:22,639 if we have an event like we did this morning, 49 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,520 they've got to go off into different places to because 50 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,360 of the shotgun start that starts to day thirty. So 51 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,360 they get multiple groups that go to different holes and 52 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:30,879 go from. 53 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:32,599 Speaker 1: There, and they have to stay ahead of those groups. 54 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:34,719 Speaker 3: They got to stay ahead. And you know there's also 55 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,360 some areas like we have here in a residential area 56 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:41,360 where there's noise ordinance, so we have to stay away 57 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,439 from certain areas until seven am. 58 00:02:44,479 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: All right, let's get some questions have come in from 59 00:02:47,479 --> 00:02:49,199 various listeners, and I thought it would be fun to 60 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,080 talk to you about them. And the first one is 61 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,800 someone who's saying that they hit their woods really well, 62 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,759 but they can't hit irons at all. And I'm like, 63 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:01,680 iron play versus hybrids and woods. Why, I would think 64 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:05,400 that the driver is probably the hardest club to hit. 65 00:03:06,159 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: Not necessarily, I think the hardest clubs to hit are 66 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,120 probably the long irons or even the three wood off 67 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:15,319 the ground. Those are probably the most difficult clubs to hit. 68 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:15,759 Speaker 1: Why. 69 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: Well, there's several factors for one. Sometimes somebody's swing type 70 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,960 or shape can determine whether they are better at irons 71 00:03:25,039 --> 00:03:27,240 or better at woods. If you have a very descending 72 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:31,159 blow on your swing descending angle, well, irons might be 73 00:03:31,159 --> 00:03:34,080 better for you. You might a wood needs to be 74 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:38,520 more of a shallow approach, a sweeping type swing. You 75 00:03:38,599 --> 00:03:41,439 also have a hozzle that's on that iron, and you 76 00:03:41,479 --> 00:03:44,159 can hit a golf ball on the heel of a 77 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:46,919 golf club and a wood you're going to be fine, 78 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:49,599 and an iron you're going to be in some trouble. 79 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,120 So you know, there's again there's different factors. I think 80 00:03:54,159 --> 00:03:56,960 a lot of people. I think you only find that 81 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,120 the better golfers really descend into the ball the way 82 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:04,759 they should, So the higher the handicap, the better, or 83 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:07,840 I think they're happier they'll be with their woods because 84 00:04:07,879 --> 00:04:10,000 you don't have to descend. It's more of a sweeping 85 00:04:10,039 --> 00:04:12,280 People tend to jump up and look up and try 86 00:04:12,319 --> 00:04:13,879 to lift the ball up. Well, you can kind of 87 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:15,840 get away with that with a wood, so I think 88 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,279 you know, when you tee it up with a driver, 89 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,399 it's funny. Some people have a more difficult time with 90 00:04:22,439 --> 00:04:25,199 a driver because it's so long and it's so cumbersome 91 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,319 that they have a hard time getting through it and 92 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:30,680 they slice the ball where others the balls teed up. 93 00:04:31,319 --> 00:04:34,160 So it is easier for them because there's they don't 94 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,920 worry about hitting the ground. They feel free to swing. 95 00:04:37,079 --> 00:04:42,120 So it really depends on an individual and sometimes what 96 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,199 those individual flaws are in their swing it can determine it. 97 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: So you really need to develop different swings for your irons, 98 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,120 as you do have with you. 99 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and here's a perfect example. When I first started 100 00:04:55,639 --> 00:04:59,319 started hitting at hybrid, I didn't hit it very well 101 00:04:59,319 --> 00:05:01,759 and I kept one why And it wasn't until I 102 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,639 figured out that it was it was an iron. It 103 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,319 was more like an iron. You've got to hit this 104 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:09,439 on a descending blow that I you know, I moved 105 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:11,319 the ball back a little bit my stands to create 106 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,759 more of an iron type hit and my intent, which 107 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,199 I think is a very important thing in golf, is 108 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:20,000 your intent. My intent was to swing and hit down 109 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:24,199 on the ball instead of trimating and committing to my intent. 110 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,000 Once I did that, I've it's my favorite club in 111 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,800 the bag. I love hybrids because of that. Yeah, So 112 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:34,439 it's a I think a lot of times it's intent. 113 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 1: I've actually considered. Recently, I've been struggling with my five 114 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,959 iron because I have a hybrid for my four and 115 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,319 my three iron, so and I love them. Guess what's 116 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,959 coming and I'm I'm really considering getting rid of my 117 00:05:48,879 --> 00:05:53,439 uh so right now I have driver three wood, two hybrids, 118 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:54,759 then five, six, seven. 119 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:56,959 Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question before you go on. 120 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:58,680 Why do you have a three wood? 121 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: Do you like your three I love my three wood? Okay, so, 122 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:06,199 but here's the interesting point. So Jesse Ortiz of Bobby 123 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,199 Jones Golf, he was, I went down. It's about an 124 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:13,279 hour away, and hey where his shop is. And he 125 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,720 made me these clubs, and he said, I'm gonna I'm 126 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,079 gonna make this club for you, but based on your 127 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:23,360 numbers that you provided me once you got fitted, I'm 128 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,439 going to make it more like a four wood, but 129 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:27,000 you can tell everyone it's a three wood. 130 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: Good for him, And so he answered, you answered my question. 131 00:06:31,959 --> 00:06:34,079 You don't really hit a three wood. Three woods are 132 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,639 very difficult to hit. And bye, by the makeup of 133 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,839 your set, I'm thinking if you like all those clubs, 134 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,120 there's gonna be a big difference between your three wood 135 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:44,600 and your hybrid. So there's got to be something in 136 00:06:44,639 --> 00:06:47,199 the middle. So that forwood helps that it moves it 137 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,480 a little closer. So two things are going to happen. 138 00:06:49,519 --> 00:06:51,399 You may not hit it as far as the three wood, 139 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,480 but I guarantee you're going to be more consistent. And 140 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:54,720 that's much more important. 141 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you that I recently have put the 142 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,319 driver in the bag for the first four or five 143 00:07:02,439 --> 00:07:05,000 holes because I'm so much more confident with my three 144 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:10,079 four wood four three wood, and and and it just 145 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,199 gives me more confidences that go on. And then as 146 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:13,800 I feel like I've got my swing and I know 147 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,560 where I'm going, I'll pull out the driver. Smart play, 148 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:21,199 thank you, but golf smarter. So but I don't you know, obviously, 149 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:23,199 on my driver, I'm going to tee it up very high. 150 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,360 And my and my my hybrid, my three four wood, okay, 151 00:07:27,879 --> 00:07:31,720 give me crazy. On on the wood, you know, I'll 152 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:33,680 tee them up very low. Like if I'm going to 153 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:34,199 tee up. 154 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,319 Speaker 3: Where's your driver go right, left, high, low? What's proba? 155 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: Well, if I start with it, it's gonna it's gonna 156 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,879 go right. Okay, it's gonna go right. Sometimes a nice 157 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:48,360 fade my ball has a tendency to fade to the right. 158 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,879 Speaker 3: You're the instructor, I'm asking you. I've never given you 159 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:57,600 a lesson. Have you taken lessons? Well kind of yeah, yeah, 160 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,240 So you don't have that answer. 161 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:05,639 Speaker 1: Why it goes to the right is because I I 162 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:11,839 don't know. I I think that it's because I'm going inside. 163 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: Out, outside in. You're most likely swinging to the left 164 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:17,240 of your target and your club face is open. So 165 00:08:17,319 --> 00:08:17,800 now you got to. 166 00:08:17,839 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: Determine with my wrists breaking too, you. 167 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 3: Got to determine why you're not closing that club face 168 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,800 and why you're swinging what they call over the top 169 00:08:24,959 --> 00:08:27,279 or you know, to the left of your target. 170 00:08:27,519 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 1: The lessons that I've been working on recently, I'm just 171 00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:32,159 learning how to roll my hands over for the impact. 172 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,159 That's like wow, And that's a hard one because then 173 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,279 I'm able to keep the right angle on the club 174 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:40,919 farther down and then make the roll. 175 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:45,519 Speaker 3: Just remember this, tend to call me. Let's give you 176 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:48,720 a lesson intent anytime we have at our We have 177 00:08:48,799 --> 00:08:51,960 a hitting bay at our facility with with video and 178 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,320 a flight scope which is a launch monitor and it's 179 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:56,559 radar base and it gives you all the details of 180 00:08:56,639 --> 00:09:00,879 club face angle and and uh uh swing path and 181 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,000 ball speed, clubhead speed, you name it, spin rate. So 182 00:09:04,039 --> 00:09:06,360 it's it's a great tool to have. But I can 183 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:09,559 tell you without even seeing in your swing, most slicers, 184 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,399 and I'm gonna put you in a general category, most 185 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,720 slicers turn rotate their chest too quickly through the ball, 186 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,360 and not their wrists and forearms, their hands and forearms. 187 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:21,879 Speaker 1: Well, that's the other thing I've been working on is 188 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,279 my hip turn on the back swing. 189 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: Okay, and then. 190 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 1: Increasingly having one. 191 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 3: Okay, right, where do your shoulders aim at impact? 192 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: At impact? Probably left? Yeah, it probably should that's right, 193 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,919 and that should be at They should be square square. 194 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:44,799 Speaker 3: This is so much fun, and that would that would 195 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:46,919 hopefully allow you to turn your hands over. Once you 196 00:09:46,919 --> 00:09:50,840 turn your shoulders way too past your your target line 197 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:54,080 or left of your target line, you are not going 198 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,960 left unless you will with a short iron, because it's 199 00:09:57,039 --> 00:09:59,519 easy to keep the clubhead of the short club up 200 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:03,360 with your rotation, but because the club is so long 201 00:10:03,399 --> 00:10:06,840 for the driver, your your body will turn much quicker 202 00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:09,840 than your hands can get the club head squared up. 203 00:10:11,879 --> 00:10:14,000 So there's a good there's a good drill to feel 204 00:10:14,039 --> 00:10:15,000 the right motion. 205 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: And I would love to hear it. 206 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,799 Speaker 3: There's a good drill to feel the right motion. 207 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: And I would love to hear it. 208 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: What you need to do is put get the distance 209 00:10:31,039 --> 00:10:33,320 away from the ball that you want to hit the ball. Okay. 210 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,960 Put your feet so they're touching together. Okay, and now 211 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,879 take your right foot and move it straight back as 212 00:10:40,919 --> 00:10:43,559 if you're in a walking motion. Okay, so you're gonna 213 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:46,360 putting it on the ground. You're putting it on the ground, flat, flat, 214 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,639 both feet. Okay. So your feet were together, yep, your 215 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:53,080 feet were together initially. And you move your front your 216 00:10:53,159 --> 00:10:55,200 right foot directly back. Now this is for a right 217 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,639 handed golfer, okay, okay, and I want you to take 218 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:03,279 a full swing without either foot leaving the ground, especially 219 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:06,679 your right heel. And what that's gonna do is it's 220 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,919 gonna lock your hips down on the follow through, so 221 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,799 it's gonna be very difficult to rotate your body through. 222 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,320 It's going to force you to swing your arms and 223 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:18,639 hands more, which is something that when I get somebody 224 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,200 who who does that, I want them to feel like 225 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,840 they're using more arms and hands on the downswing. And 226 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:27,840 I know that you hear about the rotation and rotate, rotate, 227 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,000 But I don't think slicers use their hands and forearms enough. 228 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:37,360 They don't snap their their their club head through. Interesting, 229 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:40,519 So try that drill, and if you're a left hander, 230 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:41,960 the left foot goes back. 231 00:11:41,879 --> 00:11:43,039 Speaker 1: Okay, all right. 232 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 3: So with the The key though, is to keep that 233 00:11:46,159 --> 00:11:48,000 right heel down if you're a right hander, and that 234 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:48,799 in that swing. 235 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: And the goal here is to be square at impact, 236 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:51,960 not having one. 237 00:11:52,039 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 3: Well, you're gonna be forced to You're gonna be forced 238 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,000 to use your arms and hands a lot more. 239 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:57,799 Speaker 1: That's what it feels like. I'm doing this. 240 00:11:57,879 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: That's right. And the key you got to keep your 241 00:12:00,519 --> 00:12:01,840 when you swing you hit that ball. 242 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: That's always been a problem to keep your balance on 243 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,480 my driver especially, it's always been a problem where I'll 244 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,720 take it. You know, I'll finish my swing and I'll 245 00:12:08,759 --> 00:12:10,720 be four or five steps in a different direction from 246 00:12:10,759 --> 00:12:13,480 where I started. Well, swing too hard. 247 00:12:13,519 --> 00:12:15,759 Speaker 3: A drill for that is the same one. Make sure 248 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:18,120 that your feet are together. Put your right foot back, 249 00:12:18,159 --> 00:12:21,000 you could even to make it real difficult, put the 250 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,759 right foot directly behind the left foot, both on the ground, 251 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,840 not touching each other. In the same distance away as 252 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,799 if you were walking, and then put both feet down 253 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:31,679 and try to take a golf swing and watch how 254 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,679 difficult it is to keep your balance. But if you 255 00:12:34,879 --> 00:12:37,120 get to the point where you can take a full swing, 256 00:12:37,159 --> 00:12:39,879 hit the ball and keep your balance count to two 257 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,679 or three after you swing, watch how much better your 258 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:47,039 swing gets because you're forcing yourself to swing around a center. 259 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:50,720 So it's it's very good. You won't find yourself most 260 00:12:50,759 --> 00:12:54,559 people fall away from it to their back foot and 261 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:57,960 you'll find yourself losing your balance quite a bit initially. 262 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:00,399 But it's a real good drill to feel your head 263 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,720 still and have you swing around to around a center. 264 00:13:02,799 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: All we got to figure out how we can get 265 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,039 a video of this of that drill. Sure, yeah, we're 266 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:07,879 going to have to put that up. 267 00:13:07,919 --> 00:13:08,759 Speaker 3: We'll put you on it. 268 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: No, you you're going to be giving. 269 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 3: I'll swing. I do it all the time, and I'll 270 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:15,200 show you how to do it and keep your balance. 271 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: Awesome, Oh that's great. So what is it? What does 272 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:25,480 it mean when occasionally I'll just on a driver t shot, Well, 273 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:26,639 I'll just pop the ball up. 274 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: Well, what happens also when you come over the top 275 00:13:29,919 --> 00:13:33,320 is you create a very steep angle of attack. That's right. 276 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,799 So you're coming over the top, you create a steep 277 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,639 angle of attack, and when you hit basically down on 278 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,480 the ball, the ball goes straight up in the air. 279 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: And how many times have I played with people do 280 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,440 the same thing. Oh, I tee it up too high. 281 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,519 Speaker 3: That's not the reason, although it's you know, I'm sure 282 00:13:48,519 --> 00:13:50,960 it's possible, but for the most part, it's an over 283 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,519 the top move and a steep angle of attack. And 284 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,200 what you want when you're hitting a driver, you actually 285 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:02,120 want to be on the upswing that that ball. That's 286 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,480 why we put it up by the inside of our 287 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,200 left heel. If you're a right handed golfer, is so 288 00:14:07,279 --> 00:14:09,200 you want to hit this thing just as it starts 289 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,399 the upswing of your of your arc. 290 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, there is. I do have one video on golf 291 00:14:15,159 --> 00:14:20,080 Smarter TV where he's how to hit straight drives a 292 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,840 teacher up in Lake Tahoe, and he said, you know, 293 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,919 get your feet together at the ball. Address the ball. 294 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,320 Put your feet together, take a very little step to 295 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,679 the left with your right your left foot, and then 296 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:31,679 a big step. 297 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,399 Speaker 3: To the right. That's exactly what you want to do. 298 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:36,039 Speaker 1: Yeah. So, if if this is an issue for you. You 299 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:39,320 should definitely look at the video on a golf Smarter 300 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,679 TV on our YouTube channel. All right, Ken, now coming 301 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:46,799 to the realization that hybrids are irons, Yes, but they're 302 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:51,039 not playing like like woods, and you have to you 303 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,039 have to have a difference. You have to develop two 304 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:56,120 kinds of swings. You can't have the same swing. That's 305 00:14:56,159 --> 00:15:00,279 not easy to do. Now, it's not what is the difference? Well, well, 306 00:15:00,759 --> 00:15:03,159 I think a lot of times it's intent. And remember 307 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:05,480 you're putting the ball forward for a wood, so you 308 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:08,879 want to hit a sweeping type motion. And I think 309 00:15:08,879 --> 00:15:11,200 the big thing with irons is I think people can 310 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,240 get away from the woods because it is at the 311 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:15,320 bottom the swing's arc or with a driver on the 312 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,440 way up. And I think that the average golfer does 313 00:15:18,519 --> 00:15:19,960 not hit down on the ball. 314 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: They swing up on the ball. So that makes an 315 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,279 iron very difficult. So intent has to change. And I 316 00:15:27,279 --> 00:15:30,559 think another drill that's very good is if you put 317 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,159 a tee in the ground about an inch past the ball, 318 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:35,679 right in front of the ball about an inch and 319 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,440 make sure that the tea is about grass light, grass 320 00:15:40,519 --> 00:15:43,080 level or even a little lower. And I want you 321 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:45,320 to not only hit the golf ball, but I want 322 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,080 you to knock the tea out of the ground, so 323 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,039 the t is barely going to be above the ground. 324 00:15:49,639 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: And wait, with which club is this any iron? Any iron? 325 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,559 Speaker 3: Any iron? I want you to make sure that you 326 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,039 take it so that the divot goes forward. Now this 327 00:15:58,399 --> 00:16:01,519 this what it does is it gives you something visual 328 00:16:01,559 --> 00:16:05,440 to go after, and it changes your intent. And I 329 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:10,000 believe wholeheartedly in intent. If you try to lift the ball, 330 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,000 that's what you're gonna do. You're going to try to 331 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,759 get the ball in the air. Your body's gonna come up, 332 00:16:13,799 --> 00:16:16,320 You're going to lift your hands up. If you change 333 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,200 your intent and say I'm going to hit the tee 334 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,120 beyond the ball, I'm going to make the divot beyond 335 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,360 the ball, you can change the mechanics of your swing 336 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,320 by changing your intent. I do it a lot in 337 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,759 the bunker with people too. I do it with chip shots. 338 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,200 Change their intent and they hit better shots. We didn't 339 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,279 talk about the mechanics, but yet their mechanics changed. So 340 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,080 I think that's a very good drill. When you're on 341 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,039 the ground and you're having trouble making a divot is 342 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,240 to just put that tea. Put that little carrot out 343 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,080 there and go after it, and do it until you 344 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,080 start knocking that tea out of the ground, and you 345 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,320 watch the difference. You'll compress the ball, You'll hit it farther, 346 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,480 you'll hit it more solid. You won't believe how good 347 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:54,919 it feels. 348 00:16:55,759 --> 00:16:58,519 Speaker 1: It's the whole concept of little ball, big ball versus 349 00:16:58,519 --> 00:17:01,320 big ball hitting big ball, ball, big ball being earth. 350 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 3: That's right. 351 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:05,279 Speaker 1: You need a little ball then the big ball. And 352 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,599 it is such a hard thing for the average golfer, 353 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,000 from what I witness and from what I experience, uh 354 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:13,759 to to get a good divot. 355 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 3: We don't grow up well. Some obviously, the people that 356 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,960 start playing golf early get it. It's easy to learn 357 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,720 when you're younger, but when you're older, it's harder to learn. 358 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,079 And also when you're growing up, you don't play any 359 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:27,079 other sport. I guess maybe hockey, but you don't really 360 00:17:27,079 --> 00:17:29,079 play any other sport where you're swinging down to make 361 00:17:29,079 --> 00:17:32,319 the ball go up. You know, baseball isn't meant to 362 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,359 hit that way. You don't play tennis that way. So 363 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:36,680 I think it's very unorthodox. 364 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,519 Speaker 1: All right now, I want to get back to your 365 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:45,000 You're real high on the word intent. Yeah, okay, intent 366 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:48,200 is not getting the ball unto the green. That's not 367 00:17:48,279 --> 00:17:48,759 what you mean. 368 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 3: I think. I think that that's another level of it, 369 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,559 if your intent is to get the ball green instead 370 00:17:53,599 --> 00:17:55,240 of saying I don't want to go in the bunker. 371 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,839 You know, I think that there's also that positive thought too. 372 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: You know, well, if you're think if you got the 373 00:18:01,559 --> 00:18:04,440 bunker in your head at all, that's not a positive thought. 374 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: Don't even think about it exactly. 375 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, So to find intent in what you mean when 376 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:13,680 you're talking about using your wood versus the hybrid, and 377 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,839 you know what your intent is on the swing? You know, 378 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,440 you have different types of swings. 379 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,759 Speaker 3: I do, and when when I have an iron in 380 00:18:21,799 --> 00:18:25,400 my hand, I am trying to purposely stay down and 381 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,680 take a divit. I can see a blade of grass 382 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,799 beyond the ball, and my intent is to swing down 383 00:18:30,839 --> 00:18:33,559 through that grass. Do you. 384 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 1: Aim when you're addressing when you're at a dress. Are 385 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:41,839 you looking at the front of the ball, the back 386 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,960 of the ball, the center of the ball. What are 387 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,440 you looking at? What is and is that your end point? 388 00:18:46,519 --> 00:18:48,880 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter what I'm looking at because I don't 389 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,920 see what I'm looking at and you're gonna look at 390 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,759 me like what Wait a minute, okay, what Yeah, exactly 391 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,119 what I do before I take a swing, as I 392 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,680 pick a target. It could be a chimney, it could be. 393 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: A branch routine. 394 00:19:04,319 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 3: Yes, so I'm building the image that I want to 395 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:11,039 swing at. If that chimney's above my flagstick, or a 396 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,440 tower on the hillside, or a tree branch or sometimes 397 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,559 it has to be the flagstick itself, I'm looking at 398 00:19:17,559 --> 00:19:19,880 that and I'm building that image in my head. So 399 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,839 when I finally look back down to the ball, I'm 400 00:19:21,839 --> 00:19:24,839 there for about a second or less and I see 401 00:19:24,839 --> 00:19:28,200 that image because I'm swinging at the image in my head. 402 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,279 I'm trying to stay totally positive. 403 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: So the ball is not the target. 404 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so no, I look at the ball, but I 405 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:37,160 really am not seeing it. I mean, that's more of 406 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,400 him when I periphery, because I'm still I still have 407 00:19:39,519 --> 00:19:42,319 that object in my head because I want to swing 408 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,680 positively at something where I'm going, and that does a 409 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,160 few things. It takes the mechanics out of my head. 410 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,880 Too many people think mechanically and they think backwards when 411 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,440 they're swinging and playing golf. Think backwards on the range. 412 00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:57,599 When you're on the golf course. 413 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 1: What do you mean thinks backswing? 414 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,759 Speaker 3: Oh okay, thinking of their backswing, their position, cocking the wrists, 415 00:20:03,799 --> 00:20:05,519 whatever they have to think of. I think that you 416 00:20:05,559 --> 00:20:07,079 need to think of that stuff on the range when 417 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:09,400 you go play golf. You need to play golf and 418 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,920 think forward. Always think forward when you're playing golf. 419 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: Are you an advocate of target golf? Yes, focusing on that. 420 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,839 Speaker 3: Target absolutely, because again, it takes mind off your mechanics 421 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,119 and trouble there's people think of mechanics, they also think 422 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,079 of oh no, there's out of bounds over there, so 423 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,640 they're right, Oh, I got to stay away from that bunker. Yeah. 424 00:20:37,799 --> 00:20:39,440 Don't hit it in the water. You know that type 425 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:39,720 of thing. 426 00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:42,759 Speaker 1: And I've always cracked up that when you and you 427 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:44,759 just said, you've set me up perfectly. Don't hit it 428 00:20:44,759 --> 00:20:46,920 in the water. Don't hit What are the last three words. 429 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,599 Speaker 3: That hit it in the water? Exactly? 430 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 431 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,079 Speaker 3: And that's why I think that building that image in 432 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,599 your head and swinging at it, it does several things 433 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:58,480 and they're all positive. It keeps mechanics out of your head. 434 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,160 It makes you think of forward, and you don't think 435 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,920 of hitting it someplace negatively. You think of hitting something 436 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:09,160 authoritatively at a positive object, and I think that's very important. 437 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,839 And you go ahead and think of other sports. When 438 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,720 you're shooting a basketball up and do a hoop, do 439 00:21:15,759 --> 00:21:18,079 you think of how you're cocking your arm back and 440 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,160 the philosophy there you're exactly you're looking at your target 441 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,880 and shooting at it. And I think we do that 442 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,640 in most sports. The golf we don't. And one of 443 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,240 the reasons why we don't is we can think about 444 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:29,200 it before we swing. 445 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 1: Well, right, I mean, I have a book over there 446 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,200 and we've done this show. The head pro over at 447 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:38,599 Pinehurst did this book on and I can't I think 448 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,279 an intentional putting. But it's it's he looks at the hole. 449 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:44,519 He doesn't look at the ball. I mean, he gets 450 00:21:44,519 --> 00:21:46,519 all set and then he's you know, he does. Why 451 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,240 why are we looking down at the ball when that's 452 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:48,839 not the target. 453 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's still a rarity to see. 454 00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:53,559 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, practicing like practicing like that. 455 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,799 Speaker 3: I see people practicing like that, but I don't know 456 00:21:55,799 --> 00:22:00,000 if I've really seen anybody on the golf course doing it. Yeah, 457 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,039 that's a good question. Why I don't. I'm not quite sure. 458 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 1: But would you ever try to putt like that? 459 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,599 Speaker 3: No, but I can understand the practice of either looking 460 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,000 at the hole or even better yet looking at the hole, 461 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:16,160 going back to the ball and closing your eyes. I 462 00:22:16,279 --> 00:22:16,599 like that. 463 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,079 Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, wha, wha. 464 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:23,079 Speaker 3: What you closing your eyes when you're talking about I'm 465 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:25,279 talking about practicing now? Oh okay, yeah, because I think 466 00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:28,680 it's important to get the feel and when you take 467 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,640 the vision out of it, you have to feel the 468 00:22:32,839 --> 00:22:35,680 stroke and feel how much you're swinging and so on. 469 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,160 So I think that's very good because I think we 470 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,480 sometimes allow ourselves to use our vision too much and 471 00:22:42,519 --> 00:22:44,720 it can fake you out. And I think it's a 472 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,759 comfort to have yet another sense working for you. 473 00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: So a lot of what you're talking about makes sense 474 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,359 for somebody who's been playing golf for most of their 475 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,000 life and they don't think about it. Then you get 476 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,720 to person and there are so many people, and I 477 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,240 receeve emails from people I just started playing golf, or 478 00:23:02,279 --> 00:23:04,160 I've just picked it up again after being away for 479 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,559 twenty years, or you know, I'm about to retire and 480 00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:09,279 I'm thinking of playing golf. A lot of that, Okay, 481 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:14,160 So you people who start out at a different part 482 00:23:14,279 --> 00:23:17,240 of life, and so they're much more in their head 483 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:22,799 than a kid. Right, the ball just landed in my backyard. 484 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 3: The hazards are living on a golf course. 485 00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: I rarely ever hear it hit the Uh it must 486 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,480 have hit the card path ors. I'm because I'm so 487 00:23:31,599 --> 00:23:33,400 glad my wife isn't here, because I've convinced her that 488 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:39,440 we'll never get it's yeah. Wow. So so when someone 489 00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:43,720 like myself who started playing at forty okay, and then 490 00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:45,559 I played for a number of years before I took 491 00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:48,400 my first lesson, and now all of a sudden, the 492 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,200 mechanics are just driving me nuts because how do I 493 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,319 I've got a nice preshot routine. I focus on a target, 494 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,960 I step up to the ball and try not to 495 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,680 think of it. But there are now all these things, 496 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,519 and it's not easy when you've been through as much 497 00:24:03,599 --> 00:24:06,680 life as you've been and you understand process to knock 498 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,920 that stuff out of your head. How do you do that? 499 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:12,079 Speaker 3: Very good question, that's a that's a book of psychology. 500 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,559 I mean, really, that's the mind game, which there's books 501 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,480 you know it. Yeah, that's a great question. You do 502 00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:22,319 have to separate range from golf course and you can 503 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:24,720 be analytical as you as you want on the range, 504 00:24:24,759 --> 00:24:26,640 but you need to be free spirited in that golf 505 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,880 course and you need to find a way to do it. 506 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,799 And I think that if you can think of that target, 507 00:24:33,039 --> 00:24:35,920 you'll you'll do a better job of it. Some people 508 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,599 are also just built analytically, you know, they rip apart 509 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,240 everything in detail, and you're not going to change that. 510 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: Right right? Are there people who who that your experience 511 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:52,519 that are new to taking lessons as an adult and 512 00:24:52,519 --> 00:24:56,039 and they are not analytical? After they walk away, don't 513 00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:57,640 you kind of test them's like what did you learn? 514 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:58,839 What's your takeaway today? 515 00:24:58,839 --> 00:25:01,640 Speaker 3: And oh yeah, yeah. I think when you take a 516 00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:03,920 lesson and I took about fifteen years ago, I took 517 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,079 a tennis a bunch of tennis lessons just to just 518 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,200 to be on that side of the ball. And also 519 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:12,000 I had people that played tennis and golf because I 520 00:25:12,039 --> 00:25:13,799 was at a country club that and I just wanted 521 00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:17,240 to see the differences between ball contact and everything. And 522 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,759 what I found was something I took away something different 523 00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:23,480 than I thought I would. I was thinking of where 524 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,000 my right foot, my left foot, where my racket should 525 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:27,839 be when I should take it back behind me. The 526 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,200 ball went. You know, I held onto the racket so tightly. 527 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,720 I was terrible because I was thinking so mechanically. So 528 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:37,200 I think when you get involved at our age with 529 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:40,039 a new sport, that's what you're going to do. And 530 00:25:40,079 --> 00:25:42,759 it's only time that's going to get you separated from 531 00:25:42,839 --> 00:25:46,920 all those mechanics to feeling the game, because I think 532 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,000 you need to get to a point where you're feeling 533 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:51,960 it more than you're just thinking mechanically. I don't think 534 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,079 you can help, but once you take a lesson, you're 535 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,960 going to be thinking about it well. 536 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: And then you go. You take your lesson, and you 537 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,119 be huzz You're paying for lessons. Now you're diligent about practicing, 538 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,880 which is not always easy to do when life gets 539 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,599 in the way. It's more about, oh, I have an 540 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:09,519 opportunity to play golf grade. I'll hit a bucket of 541 00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:13,319 balls before that, but practicing in between is not always 542 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,960 an easy thing to do. And so now I've gone, 543 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,720 I remember what I had my lesson. I've been thinking 544 00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:21,759 about it at night. I go and I practice, and 545 00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:23,599 I come out to the course and now a couple 546 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,359 of weeks go by and I feel like I'm starting 547 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,000 to get the hang of it. I go back for 548 00:26:27,079 --> 00:26:29,960 my next lesson and I'm doing everything wrong. I gotta 549 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,920 start all over again. I hate this game. And it's like, no, no, no, 550 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,920 what are you doing? What is that where you're not 551 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,119 getting a right? And then there's one more thing he 552 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,599 wants to add, and one more thing he wants to add. 553 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,759 It's like, how do I break this down? How do 554 00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:44,720 I keep this all straight? 555 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 3: I want to how often do you practice? You just 556 00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:49,839 you answered the question a few seconds ago about practice 557 00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:53,160 and making it difficult, And it is very difficult if 558 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,279 you're you know, if you're before kids in career or 559 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,039 after kids in career, you've got a chance to practice, 560 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,400 and you have to practice a lot. This isn't that 561 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,920 bucket of balls before you play. You need to go 562 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,640 five six times a week and hit plenty of golf balls. 563 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,799 And I've got one story about a guy used to 564 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:15,319 work with. He was on the PGA tour back in 565 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,079 the sixties, and he was one of the best college 566 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,880 players ever. And at the time of him being on 567 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,200 the tour, Ben Hogan said that he was one of 568 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,880 the best players on the tour. He just didn't know it, 569 00:27:28,319 --> 00:27:29,880 which he didn't know how to take it, whether it 570 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,920 was a compliment or not. But anyways, he asked ben Hogan, 571 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:34,680 he was switching his grip and he was just making 572 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,519 a little weaker so for him, he was moving his 573 00:27:36,599 --> 00:27:38,880 right hand rotating it to the left a little bit. 574 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,200 And he asked ben Hogan how long it would take 575 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,720 for it to be natural, and ben Hogan told him 576 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,200 a year. This is a guy who plays for a 577 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,720 living and he practices every day for several hours. So 578 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:52,920 if it's going to take a guy. 579 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: Well, Tiger Woods is a perfect exact Well, hey, he exactly. 580 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:57,039 Speaker 3: He switches his swing and he disappeared for a couple 581 00:27:57,079 --> 00:27:59,960 of times, for a year or so and more. Yeah, 582 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,240 so I mean it. You know, you don't want to 583 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,519 discourage the average joe out there, but you know it's there. 584 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,000 You're all average joe's and it's it's it is golf, 585 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:14,200 and it's very difficult to change. And when you to 586 00:28:14,279 --> 00:28:17,119 be have it become natural is very difficult. What you will. 587 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,279 What I do tell people is when I give them 588 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,519 something to change, I said, okay, for a long time, 589 00:28:22,079 --> 00:28:24,559 you're going to have to do this consciously and you're 590 00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,559 going to have to exaggerate it because in most cases 591 00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:31,279 I'll probably get one or two people a year of 592 00:28:31,319 --> 00:28:33,480 all the lessons I give that when I say take 593 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:35,799 it more to the inside, they yank it way to 594 00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:39,720 the inside. Usually when I make them change something, I 595 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,559 have to tell them. The expression in life is you 596 00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:45,559 give an inch and somebody takes a foot. Well, when 597 00:28:45,599 --> 00:28:48,400 I give lessons, I have to ask for a foot 598 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,400 almost always to get an inch. And it's great to 599 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,720 have video to back it up because people feel dramatic 600 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,519 change and they say, well, I did I shortened my 601 00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:59,039 swing like you asked me to. Uh? And then I 602 00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:01,599 show them on the video and they haven't at all, 603 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,680 you know, or it's been so incremental they feel like 604 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,400 they've made a half a backswing. So I think that 605 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,319 in most cases people have to do it consciously and 606 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,279 exaggerate it for a long time. And you you need 607 00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:15,839 you know, this day and age, you can video yourself 608 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:16,559 very easily. 609 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,079 Speaker 1: You know, oh my gosh, your phone on your phone, 610 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,119 you can right to a teacher and you. 611 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 3: Can do that pretty simply. So I would I would 612 00:29:24,319 --> 00:29:27,599 recommend doing that. Now, there's some things that people aren't 613 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,759 too keen to see that. You know, they don't. They 614 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,440 don't swing enough or know the game enough to know 615 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,440 what the problem is. But I think if we told 616 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,160 you something simple like hey, you got to have your 617 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,240 swing shortened and it should be about at this point 618 00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,559 in your swing, I think they can do that pretty 619 00:29:41,759 --> 00:29:42,640 easily on their own. 620 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: Well, when you when you leave a lesson, you're at 621 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,799 the level of conscious incompetence. Yeah, and the goal is 622 00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:53,759 to get to unconscious competence, right, so you're not thinking 623 00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:55,759 about it and you can do it. But that's a 624 00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:58,519 long haul. It's a lot. There's there's many levels between 625 00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,359 unconscious are conscious incompetence and unconscious competence. 626 00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 3: And you better know when you leave a lesson what 627 00:30:06,519 --> 00:30:09,480 you're doing wrong and what you need to do to 628 00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:12,680 correct it. And it might be different for different people, 629 00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,160 you know, we're all different. I have a saying that says, 630 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,920 if you think of chocolate ice cream and you hit 631 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,119 the ball, well, then that's your thought. And what I 632 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,640 mean by that is I can tell four people four 633 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:28,039 different things. You never know what's going to work for you. Well, 634 00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:30,799 it could be it could be intent, it could be 635 00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:33,559 swing thought, it could be imagery, it could be something 636 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,240 you feel you just never know right. 637 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,519 Speaker 1: And I think that as a golf instructor that you 638 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:44,119 have to it's not one size fits all. You have 639 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,319 to understand what each person is is doing. 640 00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 3: I'll try the most common thing that works, and then 641 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,079 I'll just go down the list and I'll just keep going. 642 00:30:51,720 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: You know, so interesting, Ken, Thanks, thank you,