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from you. As always today, I'm so excited to welcome
to the show. Brecon Fias. He's my colleague here at
The Federalist and our White House correspondent, and brecan recently
made a trek to Minneapolis where he went on an
ice ride along, and needless to say, his experience on
the ground was a little bit different than what you
may have heard from the corporate propaganda media. It's definitely
an episode you won't want to miss if you want
the real story about what's going on in Minneapolis. So,
without further ado, please welcome to the show Reckon theece Brecan.
Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm the
Kayla Cast. It's great to have you.
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always my favorite thing actually to host my
coworkers because we all work remotely and so you know,
we chat with each other on the regular over email
and chat. But it's so fun to do a face
to face interview or as close to face to face
as we can get. So so fun have it you, Brecon,
you were recently in Minneapolis and you got to do
an ice ride along and really just see things with
a clearer perspective on the ground. And then I think
probably most of our federalist readers and most of the
people in the country who either are pro ice or
anti ice, you got a much clearer view of what's
going on then really any of them are getting, specifically
from the corporate press, which is of course skewing everything
that's coming out of Minneapolis. So I'm super excited to
pick your brain.
Speaker 2: About how it went.
Speaker 1: I would love to know just off the bat, like,
what you're feeling was going into it. Were you nervous,
how what was your mindset like before you got on
the ground in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question. It's kind of funny. So
I sort of saw both sides of what was going
on there. I mean I spent the first couple of
days with agitators actually and just talking to them and
going around to local restaurants or bars and like kind
of getting local chatter and then you know, seeing what
they actually thought about certain things and how you know,
what they really believed and stuff like that. And then
the last thing I did was the actual ice ride along,
And I mean, I guess I was nervous for different
reasons for both of them. I mean, first of all,
I mean, my it's so funny. When I was like
telling my mom and my fiance I was going to
go do this, they were like, please don't actually go
do that, and I was like, well, you know, it's
it's gonna be fun. They're worried about it. So I
was like a little nervous because you know, you know,
getting married this year, Like I don't want to get
like beat up by it or like killed by agitator
or whatever.
Speaker 1: But so, I mean, I don't know, I'm not feminine
energy stoking, stoking fear in your heart and mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, that's right. But mind over matter. We
survived and and and I and I did it anyway
despite what they were saying, because I mean, honestly, it's
actually like the most fun stuff you can do sometimes
is even just talking to people, even people who are
you know, kind of frankly pretty violent and have pretty
bad ideas. It's actually like it's very interesting. But but
I mean, yeah, it's it's a little bit like you know,
you're you're just way more alert than you normally are
in both instances. One because it's like you're there talking
to people and you kind of don't want to get
made or say the wrong thing, and then they their
you know, body language changes and all that stuff. And
then the other one is like you know, you're with
ice where agitators come every time, Like we did two
stops with Ice. Only one ended in an arrest because
the other one was it wasn't the right person, It
wasn't the owner of the car he was driving. It
is what it was. But every single time, but that
was on the side of the highway. I didn't publish
that even then, on the side of the highway or
on the shoulder, and agitators come over the hill and
start filming you out of literally nowhere, and so no
matter where you go, it's it's people are coming to
make this situation a lot more tense, potentially a lot
more violent. And that's something you know, Yeah, I felt it.
I can't imagine being an ICE agent and having to
do that multiple times a day, every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were talking to the agitators before you
did the ride along, is it was it hard to blend.
I mean, did they just readily talk to you or
are they skeptical of anyone that they don't recognize, you know,
trying to make conversation with them. Yeah, that's what they
assume you were one of them.
Speaker 2: So okay to be I am pretty good at acting
like I can fit in with with people on like
the far left. I will say I've been to so
many concerts. I grew up going to concerts. I grew
up in the music scene, playing music and stuff like that,
so these are like pretty familiar people to me, so
I could kind of blend in and talk like them
if I need to and all that. But I also
I also did dress up a little bit differently than
I normally do. I mean, I wore like a barista
beanie with like hair sticking out and stuff, just to
just to like cover my bases.
Speaker 1: You know, you're on septem piercing that you wear only
on the weekends usually, But yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, so I mean still though, I mean, they
there were times where I was wearing so for the
ice ride along you they require you to wear a
bulletproof vest, and I was like, well, I'm probably just
gonna wear the bulletproof best no matter where I went.
But I had to figure out how to conceal it
when I was going out with the with the agitators
and and talking to them. I mean, it's it's unless
they can kind of see that you have something like
that under your jacket, which everyone thankfully is wearing a
puffy jacket because it was like five degrees so it's
a lot harder to do unless they touch you and
feel like a steel plate, which almost happened actually with
one of the guys because he tried to like, you know,
give me a handshake and the hug thing, and then
I was like, oh, don't do that. You know that's
not going to be good. But I mean, really, yeah,
talk talking with them. It's the biggest thing is like
sort of starting the conversation right Whe's like, you know,
what's going to happen when I bring up ice to
people who are living in Minneapolis and obviously very agitated
and angry about it. You know, it typically just ends
up the they are just going to tell you what
everything that they think about it. But but in terms
of being an unfamiliar face, that's actually the most important
or maybe the most important, most interesting thing about it
is that like all these guys are unfamiliar faces because
none of them are from Minneapolis. I mean some of
them are, for sure, but a lot of the people
are busted in, flown in. Many of them are getting
paid very clearly because they're taking weeks and weeks and
weeks off of work. They don't live there, they don't
you know, the guy one of the guys I spoke
to is from Washington State. He's like, yeah, I've been
here for a couple of weeks or whatever, and he
was just manning the Renee Good kind of makeshift memorial
that they have there at at the site where you know,
they have a fire in a fire pit and are
serving people coffee or whatever. And it's like, yeah, he
just you know, he's he's just here to to agitate.
I guess. I guess he can afford to do that. Personally,
I doubt it. But so everyone's an unfamiliar face, it
seems like, and so they don't really they kind of
feel you out in other ways. They ask you about
who you are or whatever, and you kind of have
to have a little bit of a backstory.
Speaker 1: So right, Well, and that guy specifically that you're talking
about at the Renee Good memorial, I think you included
him in your write up. And he also was at
the George Floyd Riots in Minneapolis despite not being a local.
So clearly this is just a pattern, like this is
what he does. He parachutes into wherever the agitating is
happening and takes part in it. If I'm thinking of
the right guy.
Speaker 2: That's the right guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Yeah. Let's we'll get back to some
of the ice watch stuff and the people on the
ground in a little bit here. But I'm curious, you know,
how your perception of things on the ground matches up
or does not match up with what the media is
painting is going on, or like what you know. Obviously,
at this point, people have seen countless videos on social media.
Twitter is full of cell phone footage of people recording
ice officers, recording agitators. You know, we've of course seen
lots of footage of the good the good shooting and
the pretty shooting and all these other things. Was your
experience did that match what you're seeing in the media
or is it completely one to eighty different, Like, like,
was it shocking to you or was it exactly what
you expected based on what you'd already seen.
Speaker 2: It's it's a little bit. Uh, it's a little bit
what I expected, not from what the media was saying
about it. Though. I mean, I think that in general,
most of the time things that you see that are
blown up in the media are not actually happening in
real time now, like there are there are certain things,
for example, where the day let's see the Monday. I
think I was there from Monday to a Thursday. And
the day that I got there was the day that
they had started building blockades and a certain part of
a certain neighborhood which was close to where Renee Good
was was shot and and it was just sort of
in a pretty, you know, pretty busy area. A lot
of people live there, and so that was there, and
I had seen or another reporter from the Daily Caller
actually that day or maybe it was that Tuesday. Either way,
the blockade was up and the people who were manning
the blockade assaulted him like actually it's and he got
it on video, and you know, you're kind of seeing
all this stuff going around on Twitter, and you're checking
in to see, you know, first of all, where things
are happening, but also like how dangerous it is, and
you know, trying to make a decision whether to go
and and so in that way, I mean, those things
do happen, They pop up, things kind of happen, escalate
and de escalate pretty quickly. So you know, when I
was there, that was happening. And then the Minneapolis police,
the local police actually came in and cleaned up that
situation and threw away all the stuff they were using
for the blockade, like palettes and chairs and other things. Right,
And then the next weekend there were more blockades. I
believe there were more protests outside of Governor Wallas's mansion
in Saint Paul. So, I mean things kind of ebb
and flow. And anytime you hear something, it's when something
pretty major happens, or there's a major arrest, or something
goes wrong. And oftentimes, I mean ICE is ICE is
running a pretty tight operation, I would say there because
most almost every single one of their arrests, you know,
goes well as it were like it was, it was
done safely and efficiently, and they kind of got in
and got out, and that was the way it happens.
It's really only when it seems to me there is
sort of a convergence of agitators able to get to
an ICE arrest and operation at the time they're doing it,
because ICE tries to be pretty quick and pretty nimble
because of the agitator situation. Right, And one of the
agitators did actually tell me, he's like, you know, because
they have these these like street patrols that are that
are you know, on every block, every other block telling okay,
we see in STUV maybe with dark windows on, you know,
thirty fourth and Nicolette and it's headed west or something.
And then they'll ping up and ping up and down
the neighborhood blocks and they try to get as many
people agitators to the location as possible in order to
disrupt ICE. And so if that converges the way they
want it to, it's going to turn into more of
a news event. You're going to see a lot more
videos come out because it's going to be people shrieking,
maybe assaulting an ICE officer. Ice has had situations where
they've actually got an illegal alien in handcuffs and like
an agetator will come in and like rip the ICE
agent off of the illegal and trying to like free
the illegal and stuff like that. There's a term that
they have for it that I can't remember, but it's
called I think it's called de arresting, I think is
what they call me. Don't quote me on that, but anyway,
so original, yeah, yeah, exactly, so yeah, I mean it's
they if that happens, then then it will be bad.
If it doesn't happen, then they just kind of run
a normal police operation and as it should be. I
mean most of the time. I was making this point
when I interviewed the field office director in Minneapolis, and
it's like, most of the time, you don't hear about
ICE operations at all. In fact, the week prior to
me going there, there was a rest operation of almost
seven hundred illegal aliens in West Virginia. Now, of course
West Virginia politicians are and police departments are working with ICE,
and that's why you don't hear about it because it
all went extremely smoothly. The only difference in Minneapolis is
that the politicians and the people are making sure it
doesn't go smoothly, and that's how you create a dangerous scenario.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's such an important point because the non
sanctuary cities, the non sanctuary states don't seem to have
any problem. It's like the variable here is the agitators,
it's not actually the ICE agent. And that's why you're
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Speaker 1: There's so much to unpack and what you just said.
First of all, one thing that you said reminded me
of a part in your piece, and that was, you know,
you talking about the perception on the ground versus the perception.
Speaker 2: In the media.
Speaker 1: And it strikes me that even the digitators themselves don't
have a clear view of what's happening on the ground
because they themselves are so skewed by the media. And
there was one particular part in your righte up where
you were talking about I think it's this guy named Josiah,
although maybe it was somebody else that had given you
this quote about ice doing arrests at schools or like
that they needed to keep a careful watch on schools
because otherwise ICE was going to go in and get
the kids. And it's like that's just not reality. That's
not happening, Like ICE is not conducting targeted enforcement at
schools or churches. So that was That's just crazy to
me that like even the agitators themselves, they're there, they're
seeing it with their own eyes, and they don't have
a clear view of of what's happening at all.
Speaker 2: So interesting they don't. And I mean it's sort of
like any I don't know, any group chat, any kind
of weird social thing where they can you can kind
of snowball yourself into thinking certain things and sort of
concoct ideas in your mind. Oh well I saw this,
and you just sort of I mean I had a
situation like this from another person in the piece where
they just saw a random police officer. They literally started
like concocting all these theories in their mind that were
totally untrue. But but you know, these all get reported
into their group chats. They keep saying, seeing all these
things that they that they think are evil, I mean
on the school point, So that that sort of lookout situation,
I was telling you that it was Josiah, and he
was telling me how that works, which is it works
the same thing as the as the the pinging up
and down the blocks. But they'll say like, oh, well
they're nearest school, and you'll have a group of he said,
somewhere around five people in high visibility jet vests at
the school and they'll warn the school administration. Then the
school will go on lockdown. I don't know if that's
actually true. I think that some of what these people
think is happening and some of what is really happening
is you know, I think they think that they they
want to think that they have more control over things
like sending a school into lockdown than they actually do.
But yeah, I mean you're exactly right. You know, ICE
doesn't operate near schools. They don't arrest anyone you would.
The only the only instance I've ever heard of that
is the illegal alien who was the superintendent of that
school in Iowa in Des Moines, who they did run
an operation on him. I don't think they arrested him
at school, but I mean he was he was like
a violent person who had a gun or something like that.
I mean, he the way because I asked the Minneapolis
Field Director, Saint Paul Field Director, that exact question, and
and he said, if there's an actual threat, like any police,
you know, authority, we're going to go deal with the
threat because you can't have threatening people at a school
other than that they aren't operating your schools or churches.
And so, you know, these people have clearly kind of
concocted in their mind, they sort of like warped their
way of thinking into into believing that, oh, Ice is
just going and arresting elementary school kids when that's not true. Now, meanwhile,
apparently some of these parents are letting their kids get
driven home by these random people and high visibility jet
invests in order to avoid ice or whatever. Now again,
I don't know if that's true, but that is he
Josiah was very adamant that that is exactly what's happening.
They're walking teachers to their cars, they're bringing kids to
their parents or bringing kids home. And you know, I
think that Minneapolis as a as a as a city,
and that the people who actually live there, I mean,
they are the most radicalized group of people have ever witnessed.
I did not run into a single person who wasn't
anti ice who lived in Minneapolis, not one person. It
was pretty absurd.
Speaker 1: That's so insane. And yeah, it's the same mind virus
that leads you to believe that a five year old
is being used as bait, you know, by ICE, that
you know, this idea that ICE officers are posting up
outside the door when the bell rings to demand that
brown kids show their papers. Like it's crazy, that's just
it's just not what's happening at all. Well, let's see,
so you're talking about these centuries or these people who
stand watch and they will watch for SUVs or like
anybody that they suspect of being ICE and send messages
and like ping each other up and down the block
to basically track ICE movement. I assume this is the
same thing as ICE watch, Like these two concepts are
one and the same, right, Like that is the group
that's doing this, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I assume.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: I think I think there's a there's quite a few groups.
I mean even some that are providing people with signs
or like like kind of cards that say, you know,
give you lines to say that the police or something
like that, like I'm I'm exercising my fourth and Fifth
Amendment rights blah blah blah blah blah, you can't come
in here. You know, ICE isn't allowed to conduct operations
in our business. Whatever. So there's a couple of different
operations going on. Their ICE Watch is obviously one of them.
I mean, you know Renee Good that at the very
least you know, was part of that. There's other ones
that are kind of distributing, Like I said, those those signs,
and there's you know, inmphlets in businesses saying you know,
we're having a community event to learn how to basically
get out of being arrested by ICE and things like that.
So there's a couple. I think one's called I mentioned
it in the piece and the name Escapes. It starts
with an M, and they they're the ones handing out
these cents, which is apparently a pretty big organization in
Minnesota that that is kind of doing all this sort
of training. And I will say on that point, by
the way, those sorts of trainings and lines to stay
the police and signs that they provide businesses to put
in their windows is definitely changing the way law enforcement
is conducted by ICE in in Minneapolis. And the reason
is is because people who are being detained or arrested
by ICE are they feel a lot more confident in
their ability to not comply with ICE because they believe
that they're armed with this sort of silver bullet like
if I say these words, I won't be arrested, which
isn't true number one, but and then number two, they
also know that no matter where they're being arrested, a
massive group of a massive group of protesters will basically
give them the sort of like social confidence if you
will to not comply with ICE. And that is also
an aspect that's not just from agitators. It's like agitators
kind of kind of changing the dynamic with the illegal
alien they're trying to arrest themselves. So it sort of
makes the if you think about agitators being a circle
around the ICE like detainment situation like it, it makes
it dangerous outside the ring and inside the ring for
ICE ations. And that's why ICE has had to I mean,
you know, there are eight ten ICE agents to arrest
one person. And the reason there are so many people
there is because they just know in the middle of
a parking lot, which is where the arrest took place,
that I was witnessed to. Yeah, people showed up. I
mean there were people everywhere. There were people showing up.
They're pulling out their phones, they're on TikTok or whatever,
and they're being like, you know, we heard over this
one guy, like, oh, they're about to shoot this guy
or whatever, which is just like not true. The guy
was not complying. They did have to break his wind
his window to get him arrested, but and then he
complied after that. It's like, you know, why would you
even why would you even resist when you're not going
to like actually resist arrest once you're out of the car.
But anyway, whenever, people shouldn't resist the rest. But it's
just kind of funny to think about. But yeah, there's
a lot more confidence there with people that just makes
it a lot more testy, like we're gonna have to
go further, We're going to have to break someone's window.
And I heard from one of the Ice agents who
I spoke to that that's just not normally the case
at all when they're making an arrest, and like pretty
much anywhere other than than Minneapolis or like anywhere in
the country, because you know, when you get caught by
Ice and you get arrested. I mean you most most
illegal aliens actually just kind of comply and get arrested.
You know. That's that's the way it usually goes, right, Right.
Speaker 1: So, not only do you have the component of these
illegals and these agitators all feeling emboldened by each other
because you have this safety in numbers, but you also
have just this absolute drain of resources of the federal
government and local law enforcement because you need so many
more bodies to handle like you, you don't just need
two people now to arrest someone, you need eight people
to arrest the person. And also, by the way, to
do crowd control and make sure that you're not going
to be make sure that you're your purpo is not
going to be de arrested by a legal observer totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the crowd control is again three hundred and
sixty degrees around you too. That's the that's the thing,
is like you have to create like a FAILANX around
the arrest in order to actually make his successful and
and and safe arrest.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, crazy. So another thing I wanted to talk
to you about logistically is the blockades. You mentioned that
a little bit so, so are these set up at
intersections or on two sides of a street, basically to
make sure that like ice can't go through, or that
it's only ice watch people who can pass, or I mean,
it's crazy to me because the cognitive dissonance of like, hey,
we're setting up a border and we're going to do
border enforcement in Minneapolis is so wild, and like just
the idea that that you can't see how how backwards
that is is just it's laughable to me. But yeah,
I'm curious a little bit more about the logistics of
how they work. And then I know some of them
have been removed, but it seems like the agitators are
ready to just put them back up whenever needed. Correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's pretty much correct. Yeah, you know, it's
sort of the old the old thing, which is like, well,
if it's if it's what I think, then it's cool,
and if it's what you think, then it's not cool.
I mean, that's that's what they're kind of doing there.
They're set up. They're set up at roundabouts often, so
there's some like kind of smaller roundabouts. They're not like
full on drive around, but they're the ones we have
to kind of swerve around, so there's already sort of
a you know, natural if you will barrier there, and
then they are just able to sort of get palettes
or couches and other sorts of things that can be
put in the streets. So in the way that the
way that it works is you'll have a car drive
up and then they because all these sort of ICE
watch people have access to big Excel sheets that or
maybe the Google sheets I don't know they're using, but anyway,
they're big data sheets that have what they believe to
be are ICE license plates in them. So they could
be ICE license plates or they could just be a
random person who owns an SUV now I will. I
think ICE also like changes over license plates and has
the ability to do that. But anyway, so they have
all these license plates, they cross reference one's license plate
with their database, and then if they aren't in the database,
then they let them through. That's that's kind of how
they work. And then the local police, which up until
the week I was there, was not working with ICE
at all, and now they're sort of starting to in
certain ways, including the sort of crowd control situation, the lawlessness,
because I mean there's videos of police officers being like, hey,
you know, you know we're gonna you know, basically we
have to disperse you because there might be ambulances or
fire trucks that have to get through this neighborhood. And
then the anti ice people will be like, well, they'll
obviously be allowed through, and it's like, yeah, well, we
don't really trust you to be able to do that. Like,
you know, we saw what happened in what was it,
chaz Chop in Portland where people literally did die because
ambulances couldn't get to them in time because of the
blockade that they had. I mean, this is not it's
not like a funny little blockade, you know. I mean, yeah,
it was pretty easily taken down, but as you said,
they're easy to put back up too, kind of instantly,
and and you know they I think I think they did.
At least the one of the accounts online that was
sort of organizing a lot of the blockades. It's since
been suspended, actually, but uh, it was putting out sort
of uh sort of step by step instructions as to
how to create your own blockade in your own neighborhood
and have the lookout system and all that stuff, they
were really open about it, and and yeah, I mean
it's just it's just a it's just obviously a dangerous situation.
You're also I mean, leaving it up to these sort
of extremely lawless, uh minded anarchy anarchist minded people who
you know, you know me, like I was kind of
referring to earlierly, You know, if you have someone who
is concocting all these evil things in minds, like oh,
what if they're hiding what if they're hiding ice agents
inside the fire truck like it's a trojan horse in
order to get through Like that is not far off
from how these people think, and they just can't be
dealing with that situation, right.
Speaker 1: I just have so many questions about this Ice Watch
group and just and I mean any other groups that
are coordinating on this, because the more I hear about it,
the more I just think this is so sophisticated, Like
this has to be more of a top down type
of thing, because even these spreadsheets of license plates, like
this is such a huge time investment and to have
this many bodies and this coordinated, coordinated of communication, and
I mean I know that these groups have been infiltrated,
but it took a while, and it seems to be
that like, not many people can infiltrate them, So how
are they vetting and recruiting and getting you know, loyal
members who have all this time on their hands. Like,
it seems to me that there's no way this is
a ground up thing. It has to be astroturfed. It
has to be like it's very sophisticated and and it
just makes me wonder whether you know, this has just
been perfected because of all of the instances of anarchy,
like with the George Floyd riots and all this stuff, Like,
have they just been doing this for so long that
it's that now it's perfected, that now they just have
all these systems in place, so whenever it's the next
time to agitate in a new city, boom, they're just
ready to deploy these people. I mean, I'm not even
expecting you to have answers to these things. But it
is just so wild to me. The more I learn,
I'm just like, this is not like a few radical
people who have time on their hands. This is a
well orchestrated, well oiled machine and operation here. It's crazy
to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally organic. It's I think it is pretty
much what you described. Now here's the thing we could
and should know. But you know, it'll take the federal
government getting serious about actually investigating these groups, which they've
said they're going to do a million times, and we've
seen basically zero from that infiltrating all the money sources,
and there have been very minimal arrests of people. And
the rest they have of people are people who are
you know, actively being violent in the moment, not people
who are kind of you call them lieutenants in the
in the sort of hierarchy that they that they almost
certainly have. Not enough is known about them, and that's
a huge part of the problem. There have been some
reporters who have infiltrated the some of the group chats,
who then I think someone at City Journal did that
for several months, and so the best information we have
is what individual reporters have been able to spend their
day to day doing. When you know that's which is
one person basically with Google and like in like a
signal chat, I mean, that's it's totally insufficient to be
able to take down these anarchy groups. And I have
no idea why we haven't heard anything from the federal government,
who you know, the Trump administration said Antifa is a
is a terrorist organizations, like, well, you're certainly not treating
them like one yet that we know of, we have
seen again zero arrests. So I don't know my my
inkling just from some of the people that I've talked to. Now,
maybe this is just a there's this like hive mind
in Minneapolis and in probably Seattle and Portland and things
like that. But you know, some of these people were
around during George Floyd. Maybe they've been around since you know,
Michael Brown or something like that, and you know when
we had riots for years on end. You know, I
think people forget about the Baltimore riots after the Freddie
Gray incident. I mean, there have been these kinds of
like race or similar riots across American cities for a
long time. So I think a lot of these people
are known and they can be called upon, and maybe
they have jobs that allow them to be relatively transient,
or they could be like, oh, I'm going to take
off X amount of time and then they're going to
get you know, paid by all of these huge funders,
whether it's Soros or Ford Foundation or Kellogg or all
the big names that are totally involved with these left
wing agitating groups, or maybe they're groups that we don't
even know about. We should because the federal government hasn't
done a whole lot. I think that I think that
the question you're asking is is the main question. Why
do we have to deal with this anarchy every other year?
Why is it that that it gets worse in the
summer than in any other time of the year. And
I know people are going to say, well, it's cold
in the winter. It's like, yeah, it's cold in the winter.
But you know who else is not working in the
summer is teachers? Like where are the teachers' unions with
this thing? Because just get off the whole summer and
other people who do seasonal work and then maybe the
next you know season is the is the processing and
rioting season. They get work that way too.
Speaker 1: I remember, or during election years, that's another classic, like
oh shocker, it's a mid firm year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, that's exactly right. No, no, no, I
was gonna say, I mean, I remember I went to school.
I'm here. I told you before we started recording, I'm
here in Charlottesville. I was here, I went to school
down here during the Unite the Right rally, and I
remember there were Craigslist ads for getting like paying rioters,
like hey, be a rider for today and we'll give
you like eight hundred bucks or something like that. There
were actual Craigslist ads down here. They you know, that
was also another inside job with the state police, the
National Guard and the local police because they're all run
by Democrats, and they gave stand down orders for the
purposes of it turning violent, which we all know it did.
And you know that was sort of the first test.
Remember that was a couple months into the Trump the
first Trump administration, and the mayor maybe a little bit
earlier in that year, said we're going to be ground
zero for resistance to the Trump administration. Then in a
couple months they were able to orchestrate something that was
pretty significant and everyone still remembers. Now, I mean, yes,
these are sophisticated groups. These are not organic, These are
are totally kind of now getting more technologically advanced too.
I mean I gure in to you to deal with
the getting bodies to an enforcement operation problem. I mean,
they're going to start seeing how many vehicles they can
get there might be starting renting vehicles so they can
caravan as many agitators to a location as possible without
people having to do it on foot. There are any
cars that will that will follow these vehicles around. We
got when when I was there with them, we got
followed down and like made by several cars because these
people are just on the corners of every street and
they'll just start following you. And then you just hear
over the police radio like where you got. We got
a couple of people following us. We got to shake them.
And so you got to drive a weird way around
the neighborhood and try to find a new spot to
do some surveillance or whatever on the next kind of
target to arrest. And it's constant. People are looking out
of windows, and the police have to have lookouts, you know,
with binoculars looking at all the windows to make sure
that they're not being washed. And then you know kind
of told about the groove shot. I mean, it's it
is everywhere you look. It is inside the city, and
it is every single person that I saw there was
just ready and willing to stand in the way of
all this.
Speaker 1: Well, and I think what's so frustrating for so many Americans,
I know, for us, but I think a lot of
people who think like us too, is like it's this
lack of action that we're seeing from the federal government
on this. From the FBI, you know, from the intelligence agencies,
Like you have a handful of reporters doing the hard
work of like infiltrating a group chat or whatever, like
they're they're getting information despite having limited resources, limited funding, whatever.
And meanwhile you have the federal government who's yeah, like
sending letters and writing white papers and designating groups as
terrorist organizations. And it's like, Okay, sure that's a start,
but like where is the action. Why are we seeing
no arrests? Because you know, use the word anarchy and
that is absolutely the appropriate word to use for this.
These are anarchist groups. And I just think about like
what people who were non violent protesters at the January
sixth Capital demonstration, what they were subjected to for far less,
like far far less. And it's just like if the
federal government would devote a fraction of the resources, like
a fraction to do anything about these anarchist groups, it
would just be it would send such a powerful message
and it would just be such a demonstration of force
that we we honestly desperately need to see because this
kind of stuff is not going to stop. You're going
to see more non player characters like Rene Good and
Alex pretty be sent to the front lines of these,
you know, riots, and more people are going to die
and more stuff is going to happen because the federal
government is not taking the action that they need to
to designate these groups as what they are and then
actually take action. Like if you if you are going
to say that Antifa is a terrorist organization, yes, agree.
If you're going to say the ice Watch is an
ANTIVA or is a terrorist organization, yeah, really seems to
be that way, Then why are you not treating them
like terrorists? Like a designation is not enough, and we
just need to see like a fraction of effort from
the federal government on this specifically like the FBI and
the Intel agencies. And it's just I think it's really
demoralizing and frustrating for Americans who's just like, yeah, I
hear you, and we just kind of roll our eyes
because it's like, what are you going to do about it? Nothing?
Speaker 2: And it's just going to continue totally. It is going
to continue it's going to get worse too. I mean,
you know, Alex Pretty and Renee Good that these people
the left, the anti ice people, I mean, they're thrilled
when someone like that dies. They absolutely love it when
someone like that dies because it gives them so much
more fodder to be more violent. And you know, people
like that shouldn't be put in this situation to die,
not because they're not going to put themselves in that situation.
Obviously they will. I can't remember who wrote it for
for the federalists, but someone said that they're these you know,
these people are willing to die for like illegal aliens
and so. But that can't get in front of law
enforce operations like we need a surge of more people
in places like Minneapolis to make sure that you know, unfortunately,
you have to have more people in order to get
in the way of these people who are trying to
put themselves in line to getting killed because they a
lot of them, you know, I can't speak to what
Alex Predi Renee Goud were thinking at the time, but
a lot of them sort of don't mind getting killed
or the idea of it at least, and will put
themselves in pretty dangerous scenarios because it helps, it helps
the cause. I mean totally agree with everything you were saying.
That it is really unfortunate that the federal government is not,
i mean, surging anything. They're not seemingly the FBI's no
one's even hearing from the FBI. I'm a little bit
concerned that the Trump administration and perhaps President Trump himself
and other kind of people who are looking out for
the political fallout potentially from whatever enforcement operations look like.
I mean, you've seen the Trump administry sort of back
off a little bit in Minneapolis. The day I got
there was the day that Tom Homan announced that they're
taking seven hundred federal agents out of the city. Whether
people are looking forward or looking toward the midterms or
not for the elections, I'd say that that's probably true.
Maybe there's some other considerations there. But I heard an
interesting thing, and I can't remember where I heard it from,
but that you know, Republicans might get slaughtered in the midterms.
They could. I don't know. I'm not sure that the
setup is for the midterms. I think the setup's probably
got to be for twenty twenty eight. You have a
little bit longer I mean, it's typical for the party
that just got elected to the White House to get
slaughtered in the midterms. That's just how it works. And
it's on a cycle. In a similar situation, you know,
look back to nineteen seventy two. I think in nineteen
seventy this is when Richard Nixon was president. I think
in nineteen seventy one was when Kent State happened, and
they were like massive riots at Kent State, and the
when Nixon sent the National Guard in. The National Guard
shot a couple of people at the Kent State riots.
You know, the whole history of that has been totally bungled.
But that's not even why I'm bringing it up. It
was a similar situation, and it was the year before
a presidential election year, and the very next year was
the biggest landslide that any president has ever won. Richard
Nickson won reelection in the biggest election victory ever in
history to this day. So I don't think you can.
I think enforcement is probably the better bet if you
want to be winning elections, if you want Republicans to
show up and start voting for you, people need to
start seeing better numbers than six hundred thousand deportations. That
sounds great, but we're talking about twenty to thirty five
million illegal immigrants in this country. Six hundred thousand's not
going to cut it at all. It's not particularly close.
Speaker 1: Right, And honestly, I'm so tired of these political expediency
arguments because you're so right about what usually happens in
the midterms, Like, we need to think past the midterms
for a handful of reasons. One, we're probably gonna lose
in the midterms anyway, because Republicans outside of immigration enforcement
are giving voters.
Speaker 2: Nothing to vote for.
Speaker 1: So like, if you don't deliver on this, you're not
delivering on anything else, So why would anybody vote for
you anyway. Plus, typically the party out of power, out
of the White House is the one that makes gains
in the midterms. Beyond that, though, it's like, Okay, sure,
you might get trounced in the midterms because you have
a bunch of Instagram moms who don't like the optics
of deporting people. Okay, So those are the people who
are emotionally blackmailing you and holding the administration hostage right now,
which is so frustrating to me. But it's like, Okay, sure,
you might lose a few seats in the House. You
might lose you might take some hard, hard losses in
the midterms if you do not run with the mandate
that the American people overwhelmingly you in twenty twenty four
to crack down on border enforcement to poor people who
have no right to be here and basically like reclaim
national sovereignty. You can kiss goodbye ever winning any election again,
because this is going to affect how our numbers and
congressional reapportionment go in the next census, Like you're just
welcoming untold numbers of anchor babies, like the numbers that
blue states are going to be.
Speaker 2: Able to get.
Speaker 1: Like we will never win another election again if we
don't get this right. So the idea that it's like,
oh no, but we might lose a couple of seats
in the midterms, Yeah, well you were going to lose
them anyway because Congress isn't doing Jack squad and we
have a Republican in the White House, Like, deliver on
the mandate. Do the thing that the majority of the
American people elected you to do, and that's to deport
and that's to crack down and to maintain law and
order to ensure that we don't have any more Lake
and Riley's and Jocelyn nungerrays. And I'm sorry if it
looks a little unpleasant in Minneapolis to get the job done.
But like at the end of the day, it's what
we already talked about, Like immigration and pforcement is not
the problem. It's lawless agitators being spurred on by the
likes of Tim Walls and Jacob Fry that are the problem,
which is why Minneapolis is a flashpoint and not you know,
West Virginia or literally any other state where the local
police comply with ice and enforce the law to carry
out deportation orders. So I digress. I mean, this is
it's just such an important thing, and I fear that
we are just the optics problem is so stupid, and
I'm so tired of the political optics being part of
the equation or being like a determinative factor in how
we carry out immigration enforcement.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there are a lot of people
who I won't name, who who I know who work
in the Trump administration, you know, lower level political appointees.
I don't think I know a single person who isn't
very angry. I will say, uh that the Insurrection Act
didn't get invoked pretty much immediately, which it should have
obviously on Tim Walls, Jacob fry and and sort of
every other agitator who was who was aiding it, whether
they were whether they were funding it, or whether they
were active themselves. You know, it should have been a
what they call in the Bush administration shock in awe
campaign in Minneapolis. The moment it turned, it turned bad,
and everyone knew it was going to turn bad because
it's Minneapolis. They do this. This is the their bread
and butter. They love doing this. They don't have much
else to do, apparently, and it should have. It should
have happened immediately. I don't know if if the sort
of Dayton that it seems that the Trump administration is
trying to reach with them is is a political thing
or maybe you know, maybe President Trump is doesn't want
to get impeached for a third time. It's like, well,
you know, I don't know that Dayton in Minneapolis is
going to stop an impeachment. Like if if there's a
one person majority in the House of Representatives for the Democrats,
you can you can bet you're getting impeached multiple times.
You're gonna get impeached for the next two years or
until whatever, until whoever. Like you know, there's a there's
a different majority. You're gonna get impeached. You're not gonna
get removed. You're gonna get impeached for literally anything and
everything you do. So it's it's the same thing, like
don't worry about the midterms, don't worry about getting impeached,
Like just owned that that might happen, and and do
the mandate that the American people want you to do,
because if if that doesn't happen, then then twenty eight's gone.
And the retribution campaign from the Democrats if they get
back the White House in twenty twenty eight, is going
to be insane. I mean people, they are going to
arrest people, They are gonna get for no reason. You know,
the people that the Trump administration should be arresting like
actually deserve to be arrested. And just like with January sixth,
or with you know, invoking this the Face Act on
praying nuns outside of an abortion facility, you know, yeah,
their people are gonna get purp walk. They're going to
get broke. You know, their swat teams are coming to
their house at three am. Who don't deserve it. It's
going to look pretty bad. So I think that the
Trump administration is going to be remembered. Maybe they're thinking
of legacy. They're going to be remembered a lot more
for setting up the right in our country for complete
and total failure and domination in twenty twenty eight, unless
they kind of deal with this immigration thing and so
that they're actually dead serious about, as you said, taking
our country back, making sure that our congressional districts aren't
aren't heavily weighted toward having illegals. And so California has
an enormous amount of power that is entirely made up
of illegal aliens, like they have. I think it's like
they have like six or eight too many congressional districts
in California because of the illegal alien population. They're alone.
And then you talk about Illinois, and then you talk
about New York and it's the same situation there. You know,
this is existential, It actually is existential. I know everyone
loves to say that, like this is the most important
election or whatever, this is the most important thing, but like,
I mean, we're getting to a point where we don't
have we don't really have Some people don't want us
to have a country and other people are wondering where
their country went and if people are going to be
serious about it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's really important that we get the
messaging right on it too, because the elections point is
such a huge component of this. But it's not just
about keeping our elections safe and secure from non citizens voting.
Not that that doesn't happen, because we do have plenty
of documented instances of this happening. But the problem is
the apportionment. The problem is that people who have no
legal right to be here are currently included in our census,
which is how you get political power, which is why,
of course you have sanctuary states and sanctuary cities. It's
the whole point. It's about political power. It's not about
compassion for non white people, and it's just it's such
an important thing that like a lot of Americans who
are swept up in the media propaganda don't even know that,
they have no clue about that political reality. And so
it's just so important that we like communicate the importance
of these issues because they are not like side issues
like this, this will determine the future of the country
for decades to come. By people who have no legal
right to be here. And that's it's just really important
that we that we get our messaging right on that.
Speaker 2: So that's exactly right. And just to add to that
exact point, I mean, you know, if you're wondering why
Minnesota is the way it is, it's partially because they
retained a congressional district that they shouldn't have by like
seventy five people in the last sentence, So they were
about to lose a congressional district and they were seventy
five people away from doing it, and they just got
over the top this time around. You know, if you
deport seventy five illegals from Minneapolis, that they lose a
congressional district, I mean, that's that that would happen around
the country and all of these states that have imported
so many of these illegals, So just you know, they're
thinking about that because their political power and their national
political power goes down when they lose congressional districts.
Speaker 1: Which is so interesting because you know, you're always going
to have fight fights over redistricting, which is what we're seeing,
you know with Indiana and Texas and Virginia and you know,
of course, the Democrat states are much more appt right
now to redistrict, which is how you ended up with,
you know, Abigail Spamberger days into office, like redistricting to
make sure half of the Republican state is represented by
only one congressional district versus ten allocated to Democrats. So
of course, like there are political ways to do this
that are like you know, legal but unsavory and are
frequently contested you know, in the courts. But when it
comes to immigration, it's inherently illegal. Like it is legalized
because we count we count non citizens in the census,
but they are not legally allowed to be here. And
so you know, it's like a non starter, like we
shouldn't even have this question because it's like, well just
support them, Like it's not it results in political outcomes,
but it is an important thing to do, regardless of
whether you're a Republican or Democrat. It's like go home,
you are not allowed to be here, like you have
broken the law.
Speaker 2: Goodbye.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, we like went down this rabbit trail for
quite a while. But I think it's such an important,
important thing. But I want to I want to pull
back a little bit to the local law enforcement cooperating
with ICE. So I know before you were there, uh,
local PD was doing nothing to help with ICE and
immigration enforcement at all. But I know that's changed a
little bit, and I'm curious what you observed on the
ground as far as like what local PD is doing
or not doing as it relates to, uh, these deportation efforts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's sort of a
bare minimum thing.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The main thing that that's changed is so ICE Department
of Film and Security has a has a I think
I think it's called two eighty seven G. It's like
a it's like an agreement that a local or state
or both police force can enter with ICE in order
to basically help ICE operations on the ground, whether that's
you know, reporting that illegals that they pick up for
other crimes, for detainers, or actually helping with the on
the ground enforcement. Now might now, Uh, the Minneapolis Police
are not doing that, and they're still not doing that,
and that's been a major point of Jacob Fry, who's
obviously in charge of them. But when I so, I
asked the field office director in Saint Paul that exact question,
and he said that first of all, you know, the
cooperation with local police is better than it's portrayed in
the media, but there have been significant issues with trying
to get them to cooperate. But it's even gone down.
I mean there were reports of it used to be
really bad and now it is slightly better. So there
used to be reports of you know, basically off duty
ice officers or maybe they were on duty, but they
were like grabbing lunch at a restaurant or something, and
then they were in you know, uniform and a bunch
of agitators come and start making the stage situation extremely
dangerous and they can't leave because they're blocking their ability
to leave. Ice officers call police, and the police just
literally don't respond and leave the ice officers there out
to dry and in again a situation where these ice
officers could be killed. I mean, you don't know Alex
Predy had a gun on them, you know, one another
person has not that you shouldn't have. Honestly, like a
lot of people say that you should not have a gun.
You can have a gun, but like you know, these
people are very crazed and so they might be dangerous.
But but now apparently they will respond to those calls,
is what I was told, which is, you know, again
a bare minimum thing, but minimum. Yeah, that's a happy thing,
I suppose. And then the other thing is that they
are not going to help ICE do immigration enforcement. They
are going to support ICE in the crowd control department.
So that's and that's sort of the biggest thing. That's
the reason why Customs and Border Protection officers were there
in the first place, because they didn't have the support
from local police and so they had to send in
more federal agents to create that failings I was describing earlier.
Like I said earlier too, the local police were the
ones who took down the barriers and the blockades and
things like that that may or may not have happened otherwise,
because I mean, that is just an actual concern aside
from the ICE situation, but that sort of thing, it
seems like there's a little bit less lawlessness that's going
to be just allowed to happen in the city. And
I mentioned this in the article that I wrote. I
mean that seems to be the function of the Minneapolis
government and police force is that like the anarchy is
allowed to happen for a long period of time until
it gets a little bit too hot, and then the
government sort of springs into action and acts like, oh yeah,
well we've been here the whole time, and then they
sort of tamp it down, but they don't really they
don't really kill it, so to speak. That's sort of
the ebb and flow. That's part of the whole dynamic
in Minneapolis of like these actual died in the old
anarchists who pushed the envelope until the local government is like,
that's a little bit too far, Like we're willing to
work with you guys up until a certain point. So
that seems to be the situation. What it remains to
be seen. When I was there last week, that was
when all of this stuff was changing over and so
the Tom Homan had just gotten he had, you know,
the agreement I guess is taking away seven hundred federal
agents because they've gotten agreements with Jacob fry And and
Tim Walls, And I think it just remains to be
seen at this point. It will it'll be interesting to
see if and when the next sort of major confrontation
happens and how local police interact and react to that.
We've seen a couple of instances of of you know,
agitators outside of hotel rooms where they believe ICE officers
are staying and stuff, And that used to be a
situation they would just let slide, and now it looks
like they are. They're responding and kind of like dispersing
the crowd in those situations. So again, it's bare minimum stuff,
but it is better than it was. I mean, you're
talking about you're talking about putting the lives of a
bunch of federal agents who are there doing their job
at risk just to gain political points because you know,
you want the situation to spiral out of control. That's
the game. That's the that's the playbook of Jacob Fry,
that's the playbook of j of Tim Walls. And you know,
yeah again it remains to be seen.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well we'll have to keep tabs on it.
Moving forward. Here, we've been talking for almost an hour
and we've barely even touched on your ICE ride along experience.
So let's chat about that for a minute. First of all,
I would love to just hear you originally were supposed
to do a ride along on a different day, but
you had to move it. Can you explain why you
had to move the ride along and kind of what
happened there.
Speaker 2: Yes, So I was there Monday through Wednesday, left early
on Thursday, and I originally had my ICE ride along
for the Tuesday, so in the middle of it. But
I also had planned on as I did go out
and talk to agitators and things like that. I was
told by numerous people inside of the Department of Homeland
Security and outside of the Department of Homeland Security that
if I'm planning to go out and into the city
as just even a civilian, not even going to the
agitators as a civilian in because there are so many
people in these group chats and stuff like that, that
I should not do that after I've been seen in
a ride along with ICE. So they told me that
pretty much it was going to be unsafe to do
it on Tuesday and then go out and into the
protests or into the talk to the agitators on Wednesday,
because you're just going to get attacked, like you're like,
they my face is all over their group chats because
I have been filmed with being a reporter with ICE.
You know, I don't have a mask on, but they
all ICE people have a mask on, and so my
face is all over their group chats. Now, It's like,
literally the last thing that I could do in Minneapolis
was the Ice ride along because of that situation. So
I had to change it up, which ended up being fine,
and did it on Wednesday, and as soon as I
got back from it, Uh, I stayed in my hotel
the pretty much the whole rest of the night until
I went to the airport. I will say, the other thing, oh,
this is this is kind of a part of the
point is are there are agitators outside of the Federal
Building where Ice is staged, like twenty four to seven,
and they are taking pictures. That's how they get all
the license plates. They're taking pictures of everyone's license plate
going in and out of the Federal Building, sending it
into their group chat. They are taking pictures of everyone's face,
sending it into their group chat. So when I showed
up in a rental car to pull in, I mean,
it's just like a poparazzi of people taking pictures of
you and and you know, making sure because then you
got to that's where you stage and you leave through
there too. So that's that's I unfortunately how it is.
But everything ended up being fine. But like, you know,
you don't really think about those contingencies until someone's like,
oh you really shouldn't, Like you're gonna get docksed man
if you do that.
Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, everything turned out to be fine, but
probably because you did your ride.
Speaker 2: Along on the last day.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure that was an important component of that
everything being fine. Yeah, so so let's talk about what
happened during the ride along. I would love to hear
about what that looks like kind of procedurally, procedurally with
the officers and yeah, just what kind of stuff you did.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's kind of funny because it's it's a
lot of it's a lot of nothing and then and
then a short amount of something. So the first mostly too,
I was there for about three hours. The first two
hours of it, we're sort of watching and waiting, and
you know, they'll be reading license plates and they're reading
license plates and selves and they're running it through. There
a couple of different databases they have of like kind
of known illegal immigrants, because illegal immigrants can get driver's
licenses and cars for some reason, and so anyway they
have that information and then that's how they get a
lot of the people that they're arresting is they'll run
plates and they'll be like, oh, okay, so we have
a person of interest here that if they have a
rap sheet, the rap sheet will show up, whether it's
like a dui. The guy that they rest when I
was there, had a dui. It could you know, dui
is sort of the tip of the iceberg of what
some of these people have committed, you know, murder, raid
and things like that. And then they'll go and they'll
sort of try to build a they're trying to build
like a profile of what their day to day looks like.
So it's just like kind of standard police work, right.
You know, you got to you gotta plate, you got
a person of interest that you want to arrest, and
you know, you kind of follow them to see what
their day looks like, maybe you find out where they work.
That that was the case with the person that was arrested,
and I was there. They found out I think the
day before that he works at the McDonald's and that
he his shift is six to six am to one pm,
and so that's we were literally waiting for him to
get off of work at one pm to go make
the arrest. While kind of tracking other people down running plates.
We did pull I mentioned briefly, we pulled over another
on the side of the highway that had a plate
that that person was actually legally in the United States.
They were given some sort of status. I don't believe
it was citizenship, because the person once again was not
complying with ICE officers. And if you're given legal status
by the federal government, you are required by law to
show an ICE officer your ability to be in our country.
And this guy wouldn't roll his window down, and then
once he did, he was just like, you know, he
was just filming, and the ICE officers like, way, you're
on camera too, Like, you know, we're on camera. We
need to see your ID. And the guy kept refusing
to see the ID and all the rest of it,
just not complying. Nothing ended up happening to him, even
though he might. If that had gone on further, they
probably should have arrested him. But he eventually showed his
ID and he was a citizen. But you know, that's
the kind of thing where these guys just don't they
feel confident to not comply, and that's what they do.
And so and then yeah, and then after that, the
guy that ended up getting arrested got off work once
again did not comply. Now that was in a bit
of a public setting, and it was in the parking
lot of them McDonald's, And the ice officer I was
with was like, this is this. We might get a
crowd here because you know, it's in the middle of
a parking lot and not on the side of the
road where you're gonna get less of a crowd, a
low still a crowd. And we did and so the
you know, the McDonald's workers come flooding out. Some dude
parks his car and starts screaming at the ice officers
and other dudes behind, uh you know, filming a TikTok
reel or whatever they're called. And you know, the whole
thing is very chaotic. And then the guy himself again
was not complying at all. They had to break his window.
You know what I showed or I posted a video
of the like breaking the window through arrest thing. But
the full video is like ice officers in English and
Spanish for about three or four straight minutes being like
we need you to, you know, roll down your window
and chose your ID and all the rest of it.
I mean, the guy was gonna get arrested one way
or the other because they're not going to be oh, well,
you won't comply, I guess, I guess we can't arrest
you now. So he's being told to comply this whole time.
The guy's feeling confident enough to not do that, and
then had to end up breaking his window and then
he just got brought in for you know, and and
I don't know what his status is now, but he's
you know, just being processed and deported I assume, so.
Speaker 1: Right, It's it is so important just to see though,
how this kind of stuff works, because it's, like you said,
it's it's police work, like the are. These are federal
officers putting in the time to make sure they have
the right person to identify people who have no legal
right to be here and to you know, clearly this
is somebody who had broken a laws in addition to
immigration laws, and then go through a process to lawfully
remove them. I mean, you know, I've heard so many
ridiculous fantasies from anti ICE people who are making up
stories about how this is going down in Minneapolis, of course,
partially stoked by the media because they're just painting this
false picture of what's happening. But you know, this idea
that the Gestapo are going door to door in Minneapolis
looking for people who don't have white skin and then
demanding their papers, and it's like, that's clearly not what's
happening here. It's important. You know, we're getting so many
human interest stories from you know, everyone else. You know
Renee Good. We're hearing that she's a poet and you
know mother and all these things. But it's like the
Ice agents who are doing this difficult work to undo
years of lawlessness under the Biden administration, to protect American
citizens and our national interests, they are human beings too,
They need to be humanized, and they're doing really important
and dangerous work every day. So it's super cool to
get an inside look at that through through the eyes
of Brecon, who got to write along and experience at firsthand.
So I think we're at time, Brecon, So I'll wrap
it with that. But thank you so much for not
only staying safe and defying your fiance and mother's wishes
that you not go, but also for sharing all of
your stories from on the road with us. Super fascinating stuff.
Everybody should go read Breckon's piece at the Federalists all
of his reporting, but specifically this piece from Minneapolis. It's
called Checkpoints and Street corner Centuries in Minneapolis, ICE hating
anarchists are an occupying force. Thanks again so much, Brecon
appreciate you being here.
Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning into this week's episode
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