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He's my colleague here at 19 00:00:53,679 --> 00:00:57,560 The Federalist and our White House correspondent, and brecan recently 20 00:00:57,719 --> 00:01:00,359 made a trek to Minneapolis where he went on an 21 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:03,840 ice ride along, and needless to say, his experience on 22 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:06,319 the ground was a little bit different than what you 23 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:09,879 may have heard from the corporate propaganda media. It's definitely 24 00:01:09,879 --> 00:01:12,159 an episode you won't want to miss if you want 25 00:01:12,159 --> 00:01:14,760 the real story about what's going on in Minneapolis. So, 26 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:31,400 without further ado, please welcome to the show Reckon theece Brecan. 27 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:33,280 Thank you so much for joining me today. I'm the 28 00:01:33,359 --> 00:01:34,680 Kayla Cast. It's great to have you. 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. 30 00:01:36,439 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's always my favorite thing actually to host my 31 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,680 coworkers because we all work remotely and so you know, 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,000 we chat with each other on the regular over email 33 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:46,840 and chat. But it's so fun to do a face 34 00:01:46,879 --> 00:01:49,359 to face interview or as close to face to face 35 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,760 as we can get. So so fun have it you, Brecon, 36 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,400 you were recently in Minneapolis and you got to do 37 00:01:56,519 --> 00:01:59,560 an ice ride along and really just see things with 38 00:01:59,719 --> 00:02:01,840 a clearer perspective on the ground. And then I think 39 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,599 probably most of our federalist readers and most of the 40 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:06,760 people in the country who either are pro ice or 41 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,360 anti ice, you got a much clearer view of what's 42 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,000 going on then really any of them are getting, specifically 43 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,919 from the corporate press, which is of course skewing everything 44 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,120 that's coming out of Minneapolis. So I'm super excited to 45 00:02:17,159 --> 00:02:17,759 pick your brain. 46 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:18,319 Speaker 2: About how it went. 47 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 1: I would love to know just off the bat, like, 48 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,439 what you're feeling was going into it. Were you nervous, 49 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,719 how what was your mindset like before you got on 50 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:27,919 the ground in Minneapolis. 51 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good question. It's kind of funny. So 52 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:35,560 I sort of saw both sides of what was going 53 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:37,479 on there. I mean I spent the first couple of 54 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,800 days with agitators actually and just talking to them and 55 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,599 going around to local restaurants or bars and like kind 56 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:49,120 of getting local chatter and then you know, seeing what 57 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:51,800 they actually thought about certain things and how you know, 58 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,840 what they really believed and stuff like that. And then 59 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,360 the last thing I did was the actual ice ride along, 60 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,159 And I mean, I guess I was nervous for different 61 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:04,759 reasons for both of them. I mean, first of all, 62 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,199 I mean, my it's so funny. When I was like 63 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,879 telling my mom and my fiance I was going to 64 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,879 go do this, they were like, please don't actually go 65 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:13,840 do that, and I was like, well, you know, it's 66 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,800 it's gonna be fun. They're worried about it. So I 67 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,400 was like a little nervous because you know, you know, 68 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,479 getting married this year, Like I don't want to get 69 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,360 like beat up by it or like killed by agitator 70 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:23,840 or whatever. 71 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,719 Speaker 1: But so, I mean, I don't know, I'm not feminine 72 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,520 energy stoking, stoking fear in your heart and mind. 73 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: Yeah that's right, that's right. But mind over matter. We 74 00:03:33,039 --> 00:03:36,599 survived and and and I and I did it anyway 75 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:39,240 despite what they were saying, because I mean, honestly, it's 76 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,080 actually like the most fun stuff you can do sometimes 77 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:45,520 is even just talking to people, even people who are 78 00:03:45,639 --> 00:03:48,639 you know, kind of frankly pretty violent and have pretty 79 00:03:48,639 --> 00:03:53,080 bad ideas. It's actually like it's very interesting. But but 80 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:55,240 I mean, yeah, it's it's a little bit like you know, 81 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,599 you're you're just way more alert than you normally are 82 00:03:58,639 --> 00:04:01,639 in both instances. One because it's like you're there talking 83 00:04:01,639 --> 00:04:03,319 to people and you kind of don't want to get 84 00:04:03,879 --> 00:04:06,599 made or say the wrong thing, and then they their 85 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,719 you know, body language changes and all that stuff. And 86 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:11,960 then the other one is like you know, you're with 87 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:17,959 ice where agitators come every time, Like we did two 88 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,360 stops with Ice. Only one ended in an arrest because 89 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:24,040 the other one was it wasn't the right person, It 90 00:04:24,079 --> 00:04:25,639 wasn't the owner of the car he was driving. It 91 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,480 is what it was. But every single time, but that 92 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:29,199 was on the side of the highway. I didn't publish 93 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:31,800 that even then, on the side of the highway or 94 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,360 on the shoulder, and agitators come over the hill and 95 00:04:35,399 --> 00:04:39,199 start filming you out of literally nowhere, and so no 96 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,720 matter where you go, it's it's people are coming to 97 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,040 make this situation a lot more tense, potentially a lot 98 00:04:45,079 --> 00:04:47,959 more violent. And that's something you know, Yeah, I felt it. 99 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,600 I can't imagine being an ICE agent and having to 100 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:52,560 do that multiple times a day, every day. 101 00:04:53,199 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were talking to the agitators before you 102 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,839 did the ride along, is it was it hard to blend. 103 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,399 I mean, did they just readily talk to you or 104 00:05:02,439 --> 00:05:04,959 are they skeptical of anyone that they don't recognize, you know, 105 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,639 trying to make conversation with them. Yeah, that's what they 106 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:09,319 assume you were one of them. 107 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,079 Speaker 2: So okay to be I am pretty good at acting 108 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,160 like I can fit in with with people on like 109 00:05:16,199 --> 00:05:18,279 the far left. I will say I've been to so 110 00:05:18,399 --> 00:05:20,319 many concerts. I grew up going to concerts. I grew 111 00:05:20,399 --> 00:05:24,399 up in the music scene, playing music and stuff like that, 112 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:28,560 so these are like pretty familiar people to me, so 113 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,680 I could kind of blend in and talk like them 114 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,800 if I need to and all that. But I also 115 00:05:32,879 --> 00:05:35,600 I also did dress up a little bit differently than 116 00:05:35,639 --> 00:05:38,160 I normally do. I mean, I wore like a barista 117 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,120 beanie with like hair sticking out and stuff, just to 118 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:43,720 just to like cover my bases. 119 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:47,319 Speaker 1: You know, you're on septem piercing that you wear only 120 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:49,399 on the weekends usually, But yeah, okay. 121 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,639 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, so I mean still though, I mean, they 122 00:05:54,519 --> 00:05:57,040 there were times where I was wearing so for the 123 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:58,879 ice ride along you they require you to wear a 124 00:05:58,879 --> 00:06:00,959 bulletproof vest, and I was like, well, I'm probably just 125 00:06:00,959 --> 00:06:03,199 gonna wear the bulletproof best no matter where I went. 126 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:04,680 But I had to figure out how to conceal it 127 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,120 when I was going out with the with the agitators 128 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:13,480 and and talking to them. I mean, it's it's unless 129 00:06:13,519 --> 00:06:15,959 they can kind of see that you have something like 130 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,199 that under your jacket, which everyone thankfully is wearing a 131 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:22,160 puffy jacket because it was like five degrees so it's 132 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,000 a lot harder to do unless they touch you and 133 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,360 feel like a steel plate, which almost happened actually with 134 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,920 one of the guys because he tried to like, you know, 135 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,279 give me a handshake and the hug thing, and then 136 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,920 I was like, oh, don't do that. You know that's 137 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:39,079 not going to be good. But I mean, really, yeah, 138 00:06:39,439 --> 00:06:44,160 talk talking with them. It's the biggest thing is like 139 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,439 sort of starting the conversation right Whe's like, you know, 140 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,920 what's going to happen when I bring up ice to 141 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,199 people who are living in Minneapolis and obviously very agitated 142 00:06:55,199 --> 00:06:59,720 and angry about it. You know, it typically just ends 143 00:06:59,759 --> 00:07:01,600 up the they are just going to tell you what 144 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:06,040 everything that they think about it. But but in terms 145 00:07:06,079 --> 00:07:09,279 of being an unfamiliar face, that's actually the most important 146 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:13,279 or maybe the most important, most interesting thing about it 147 00:07:13,319 --> 00:07:15,839 is that like all these guys are unfamiliar faces because 148 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:17,720 none of them are from Minneapolis. I mean some of 149 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,759 them are, for sure, but a lot of the people 150 00:07:20,319 --> 00:07:23,560 are busted in, flown in. Many of them are getting 151 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,439 paid very clearly because they're taking weeks and weeks and 152 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,360 weeks off of work. They don't live there, they don't 153 00:07:29,439 --> 00:07:30,879 you know, the guy one of the guys I spoke 154 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:32,519 to is from Washington State. He's like, yeah, I've been 155 00:07:32,519 --> 00:07:34,600 here for a couple of weeks or whatever, and he 156 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:39,199 was just manning the Renee Good kind of makeshift memorial 157 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,759 that they have there at at the site where you know, 158 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:44,680 they have a fire in a fire pit and are 159 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:46,759 serving people coffee or whatever. And it's like, yeah, he 160 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:49,959 just you know, he's he's just here to to agitate. 161 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,079 I guess. I guess he can afford to do that. Personally, 162 00:07:53,279 --> 00:07:56,360 I doubt it. But so everyone's an unfamiliar face, it 163 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,439 seems like, and so they don't really they kind of 164 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:02,399 feel you out in other ways. They ask you about 165 00:08:02,439 --> 00:08:04,120 who you are or whatever, and you kind of have 166 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,000 to have a little bit of a backstory. 167 00:08:06,079 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: So right, Well, and that guy specifically that you're talking 168 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,519 about at the Renee Good memorial, I think you included 169 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,160 him in your write up. And he also was at 170 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,240 the George Floyd Riots in Minneapolis despite not being a local. 171 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:20,240 So clearly this is just a pattern, like this is 172 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,879 what he does. He parachutes into wherever the agitating is 173 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:24,879 happening and takes part in it. If I'm thinking of 174 00:08:24,879 --> 00:08:25,600 the right guy. 175 00:08:25,879 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 2: That's the right guy. 176 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Yeah. Let's we'll get back to some 177 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,440 of the ice watch stuff and the people on the 178 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,559 ground in a little bit here. But I'm curious, you know, 179 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,799 how your perception of things on the ground matches up 180 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:43,879 or does not match up with what the media is 181 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,799 painting is going on, or like what you know. Obviously, 182 00:08:46,879 --> 00:08:49,519 at this point, people have seen countless videos on social media. 183 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,960 Twitter is full of cell phone footage of people recording 184 00:08:53,039 --> 00:08:55,840 ice officers, recording agitators. You know, we've of course seen 185 00:08:55,879 --> 00:08:57,960 lots of footage of the good the good shooting and 186 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:01,480 the pretty shooting and all these other things. Was your 187 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,519 experience did that match what you're seeing in the media 188 00:09:04,639 --> 00:09:07,399 or is it completely one to eighty different, Like, like, 189 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,000 was it shocking to you or was it exactly what 190 00:09:10,039 --> 00:09:12,000 you expected based on what you'd already seen. 191 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,039 Speaker 2: It's it's a little bit. Uh, it's a little bit 192 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:18,759 what I expected, not from what the media was saying 193 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:21,919 about it. Though. I mean, I think that in general, 194 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,039 most of the time things that you see that are 195 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,320 blown up in the media are not actually happening in 196 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:29,399 real time now, like there are there are certain things, 197 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,039 for example, where the day let's see the Monday. I 198 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,200 think I was there from Monday to a Thursday. And 199 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,360 the day that I got there was the day that 200 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,679 they had started building blockades and a certain part of 201 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:44,519 a certain neighborhood which was close to where Renee Good 202 00:09:44,919 --> 00:09:47,600 was was shot and and it was just sort of 203 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,720 in a pretty, you know, pretty busy area. A lot 204 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,559 of people live there, and so that was there, and 205 00:09:54,639 --> 00:09:58,279 I had seen or another reporter from the Daily Caller 206 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,679 actually that day or maybe it was that Tuesday. Either way, 207 00:10:01,759 --> 00:10:03,960 the blockade was up and the people who were manning 208 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,919 the blockade assaulted him like actually it's and he got 209 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,759 it on video, and you know, you're kind of seeing 210 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:13,519 all this stuff going around on Twitter, and you're checking 211 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:15,600 in to see, you know, first of all, where things 212 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:17,679 are happening, but also like how dangerous it is, and 213 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:19,480 you know, trying to make a decision whether to go 214 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,159 and and so in that way, I mean, those things 215 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,519 do happen, They pop up, things kind of happen, escalate 216 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:33,000 and de escalate pretty quickly. So you know, when I 217 00:10:33,039 --> 00:10:36,960 was there, that was happening. And then the Minneapolis police, 218 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:39,519 the local police actually came in and cleaned up that 219 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,440 situation and threw away all the stuff they were using 220 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:45,360 for the blockade, like palettes and chairs and other things. Right, 221 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:53,919 And then the next weekend there were more blockades. I 222 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,879 believe there were more protests outside of Governor Wallas's mansion 223 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,240 in Saint Paul. So, I mean things kind of ebb 224 00:11:02,279 --> 00:11:05,840 and flow. And anytime you hear something, it's when something 225 00:11:05,879 --> 00:11:08,360 pretty major happens, or there's a major arrest, or something 226 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,799 goes wrong. And oftentimes, I mean ICE is ICE is 227 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:17,399 running a pretty tight operation, I would say there because 228 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,639 most almost every single one of their arrests, you know, 229 00:11:20,799 --> 00:11:23,080 goes well as it were like it was, it was 230 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,559 done safely and efficiently, and they kind of got in 231 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:28,600 and got out, and that was the way it happens. 232 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,639 It's really only when it seems to me there is 233 00:11:33,759 --> 00:11:38,559 sort of a convergence of agitators able to get to 234 00:11:38,759 --> 00:11:43,120 an ICE arrest and operation at the time they're doing it, 235 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:45,639 because ICE tries to be pretty quick and pretty nimble 236 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:50,120 because of the agitator situation. Right, And one of the 237 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,840 agitators did actually tell me, he's like, you know, because 238 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,720 they have these these like street patrols that are that 239 00:11:55,799 --> 00:11:58,919 are you know, on every block, every other block telling okay, 240 00:11:59,159 --> 00:12:03,840 we see in STUV maybe with dark windows on, you know, 241 00:12:04,519 --> 00:12:08,000 thirty fourth and Nicolette and it's headed west or something. 242 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,200 And then they'll ping up and ping up and down 243 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,600 the neighborhood blocks and they try to get as many 244 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:20,039 people agitators to the location as possible in order to 245 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:24,360 disrupt ICE. And so if that converges the way they 246 00:12:24,399 --> 00:12:26,919 want it to, it's going to turn into more of 247 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,840 a news event. You're going to see a lot more 248 00:12:28,919 --> 00:12:31,960 videos come out because it's going to be people shrieking, 249 00:12:32,159 --> 00:12:36,960 maybe assaulting an ICE officer. Ice has had situations where 250 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:40,159 they've actually got an illegal alien in handcuffs and like 251 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,120 an agetator will come in and like rip the ICE 252 00:12:43,159 --> 00:12:45,720 agent off of the illegal and trying to like free 253 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,639 the illegal and stuff like that. There's a term that 254 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:52,000 they have for it that I can't remember, but it's 255 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,759 called I think it's called de arresting, I think is 256 00:12:53,799 --> 00:12:56,159 what they call me. Don't quote me on that, but anyway, 257 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:02,000 so original, yeah, yeah, exactly, so yeah, I mean it's 258 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,200 they if that happens, then then it will be bad. 259 00:13:06,279 --> 00:13:08,279 If it doesn't happen, then they just kind of run 260 00:13:08,919 --> 00:13:11,519 a normal police operation and as it should be. I 261 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,039 mean most of the time. I was making this point 262 00:13:14,039 --> 00:13:17,279 when I interviewed the field office director in Minneapolis, and 263 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:18,879 it's like, most of the time, you don't hear about 264 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:24,000 ICE operations at all. In fact, the week prior to 265 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,799 me going there, there was a rest operation of almost 266 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:30,639 seven hundred illegal aliens in West Virginia. Now, of course 267 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:35,399 West Virginia politicians are and police departments are working with ICE, 268 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,080 and that's why you don't hear about it because it 269 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,559 all went extremely smoothly. The only difference in Minneapolis is 270 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,440 that the politicians and the people are making sure it 271 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,120 doesn't go smoothly, and that's how you create a dangerous scenario. 272 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, that's such an important point because the non 273 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,840 sanctuary cities, the non sanctuary states don't seem to have 274 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,600 any problem. It's like the variable here is the agitators, 275 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:01,200 it's not actually the ICE agent. And that's why you're 276 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:03,679 seeing it get so violent and out of hand. 277 00:14:09,799 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 3: How does consumer confidence fall into the lowest level in 278 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:13,799 over a decade? 279 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:14,879 Speaker 2: Watch Dot Wall. 280 00:14:14,799 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 3: Street podcast with Chris Markowski. Every day Chris helps unpack 281 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,480 the connection between politics and the economy. And how it 282 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,919 affects your wallet. The media income is eighty four thousand dollars, 283 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,120 but people feel like they need one hundred and thirty 284 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:28,919 thousand just to feel like they're getting ahead. Until housing 285 00:14:28,919 --> 00:14:31,120 and insurance costs go down, will it be more of 286 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,240 the same. Whether it's happening in DC or down on 287 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:34,879 Wall Street, it's affecting you financially. 288 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:35,519 Speaker 4: Be informed. 289 00:14:35,559 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 3: Check out the watchdod on Wall Street podcast with Chris 290 00:14:37,759 --> 00:14:40,679 Markowski on Apple, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. 291 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,559 Speaker 1: There's so much to unpack and what you just said. 292 00:14:49,759 --> 00:14:51,799 First of all, one thing that you said reminded me 293 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:54,559 of a part in your piece, and that was, you know, 294 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:57,600 you talking about the perception on the ground versus the perception. 295 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:57,679 Speaker 2: In the media. 296 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:01,799 Speaker 1: And it strikes me that even the digitators themselves don't 297 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:04,000 have a clear view of what's happening on the ground 298 00:15:04,039 --> 00:15:06,879 because they themselves are so skewed by the media. And 299 00:15:06,919 --> 00:15:08,759 there was one particular part in your righte up where 300 00:15:08,759 --> 00:15:11,240 you were talking about I think it's this guy named Josiah, 301 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:12,919 although maybe it was somebody else that had given you 302 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:17,360 this quote about ice doing arrests at schools or like 303 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,960 that they needed to keep a careful watch on schools 304 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,639 because otherwise ICE was going to go in and get 305 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:24,200 the kids. And it's like that's just not reality. That's 306 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,159 not happening, Like ICE is not conducting targeted enforcement at 307 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,919 schools or churches. So that was That's just crazy to 308 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,200 me that like even the agitators themselves, they're there, they're 309 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:34,679 seeing it with their own eyes, and they don't have 310 00:15:34,679 --> 00:15:36,600 a clear view of of what's happening at all. 311 00:15:36,799 --> 00:15:40,679 Speaker 2: So interesting they don't. And I mean it's sort of 312 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,080 like any I don't know, any group chat, any kind 313 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,240 of weird social thing where they can you can kind 314 00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:50,600 of snowball yourself into thinking certain things and sort of 315 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,519 concoct ideas in your mind. Oh well I saw this, 316 00:15:53,559 --> 00:15:54,799 and you just sort of I mean I had a 317 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,399 situation like this from another person in the piece where 318 00:15:57,399 --> 00:16:01,480 they just saw a random police officer. They literally started 319 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:03,639 like concocting all these theories in their mind that were 320 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,600 totally untrue. But but you know, these all get reported 321 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,159 into their group chats. They keep saying, seeing all these 322 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:13,240 things that they that they think are evil, I mean 323 00:16:13,279 --> 00:16:17,759 on the school point, So that that sort of lookout situation, 324 00:16:17,879 --> 00:16:21,000 I was telling you that it was Josiah, and he 325 00:16:21,159 --> 00:16:23,879 was telling me how that works, which is it works 326 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:26,080 the same thing as the as the the pinging up 327 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:27,720 and down the blocks. But they'll say like, oh, well 328 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:31,759 they're nearest school, and you'll have a group of he said, 329 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:36,679 somewhere around five people in high visibility jet vests at 330 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,360 the school and they'll warn the school administration. Then the 331 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,440 school will go on lockdown. I don't know if that's 332 00:16:43,519 --> 00:16:47,399 actually true. I think that some of what these people 333 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,399 think is happening and some of what is really happening 334 00:16:50,519 --> 00:16:54,200 is you know, I think they think that they they 335 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,000 want to think that they have more control over things 336 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,279 like sending a school into lockdown than they actually do. 337 00:17:00,519 --> 00:17:04,640 But yeah, I mean you're exactly right. You know, ICE 338 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,400 doesn't operate near schools. They don't arrest anyone you would. 339 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,920 The only the only instance I've ever heard of that 340 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,519 is the illegal alien who was the superintendent of that 341 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:18,240 school in Iowa in Des Moines, who they did run 342 00:17:18,279 --> 00:17:20,240 an operation on him. I don't think they arrested him 343 00:17:20,279 --> 00:17:22,880 at school, but I mean he was he was like 344 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,119 a violent person who had a gun or something like that. 345 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,480 I mean, he the way because I asked the Minneapolis 346 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,960 Field Director, Saint Paul Field Director, that exact question, and 347 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:38,440 and he said, if there's an actual threat, like any police, 348 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,400 you know, authority, we're going to go deal with the 349 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,799 threat because you can't have threatening people at a school 350 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,759 other than that they aren't operating your schools or churches. 351 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:51,240 And so, you know, these people have clearly kind of 352 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,440 concocted in their mind, they sort of like warped their 353 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,640 way of thinking into into believing that, oh, Ice is 354 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,279 just going and arresting elementary school kids when that's not true. Now, meanwhile, 355 00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:06,079 apparently some of these parents are letting their kids get 356 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:09,359 driven home by these random people and high visibility jet 357 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,319 invests in order to avoid ice or whatever. Now again, 358 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,599 I don't know if that's true, but that is he 359 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,359 Josiah was very adamant that that is exactly what's happening. 360 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:21,440 They're walking teachers to their cars, they're bringing kids to 361 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:25,039 their parents or bringing kids home. And you know, I 362 00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:28,480 think that Minneapolis as a as a as a city, 363 00:18:28,559 --> 00:18:30,599 and that the people who actually live there, I mean, 364 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,559 they are the most radicalized group of people have ever witnessed. 365 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,799 I did not run into a single person who wasn't 366 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:41,960 anti ice who lived in Minneapolis, not one person. It 367 00:18:42,079 --> 00:18:43,079 was pretty absurd. 368 00:18:43,759 --> 00:18:46,799 Speaker 1: That's so insane. And yeah, it's the same mind virus 369 00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:48,400 that leads you to believe that a five year old 370 00:18:48,519 --> 00:18:50,519 is being used as bait, you know, by ICE, that 371 00:18:50,559 --> 00:18:53,640 you know, this idea that ICE officers are posting up 372 00:18:53,839 --> 00:18:56,160 outside the door when the bell rings to demand that 373 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:58,759 brown kids show their papers. Like it's crazy, that's just 374 00:18:58,839 --> 00:19:02,279 it's just not what's happening at all. Well, let's see, 375 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,880 so you're talking about these centuries or these people who 376 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,559 stand watch and they will watch for SUVs or like 377 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:11,240 anybody that they suspect of being ICE and send messages 378 00:19:11,279 --> 00:19:13,079 and like ping each other up and down the block 379 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,839 to basically track ICE movement. I assume this is the 380 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,319 same thing as ICE watch, Like these two concepts are 381 00:19:19,319 --> 00:19:20,960 one and the same, right, Like that is the group 382 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,160 that's doing this, correct, Yeah. 383 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:23,599 Speaker 2: I assume. 384 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:23,759 Speaker 3: So. 385 00:19:23,839 --> 00:19:25,759 Speaker 2: I think I think there's a there's quite a few groups. 386 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:28,680 I mean even some that are providing people with signs 387 00:19:28,799 --> 00:19:33,559 or like like kind of cards that say, you know, 388 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,039 give you lines to say that the police or something 389 00:19:36,079 --> 00:19:39,319 like that, like I'm I'm exercising my fourth and Fifth 390 00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:41,599 Amendment rights blah blah blah blah blah, you can't come 391 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,279 in here. You know, ICE isn't allowed to conduct operations 392 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:47,960 in our business. Whatever. So there's a couple of different 393 00:19:48,079 --> 00:19:50,400 operations going on. Their ICE Watch is obviously one of them. 394 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:52,119 I mean, you know Renee Good that at the very 395 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,440 least you know, was part of that. There's other ones 396 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,960 that are kind of distributing, Like I said, those those signs, 397 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:03,799 and there's you know, inmphlets in businesses saying you know, 398 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:09,200 we're having a community event to learn how to basically 399 00:20:09,279 --> 00:20:13,079 get out of being arrested by ICE and things like that. 400 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,920 So there's a couple. I think one's called I mentioned 401 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,799 it in the piece and the name Escapes. It starts 402 00:20:17,799 --> 00:20:19,640 with an M, and they they're the ones handing out 403 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,200 these cents, which is apparently a pretty big organization in 404 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,839 Minnesota that that is kind of doing all this sort 405 00:20:27,839 --> 00:20:29,880 of training. And I will say on that point, by 406 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:36,640 the way, those sorts of trainings and lines to stay 407 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,880 the police and signs that they provide businesses to put 408 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:45,160 in their windows is definitely changing the way law enforcement 409 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:49,079 is conducted by ICE in in Minneapolis. And the reason 410 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,640 is is because people who are being detained or arrested 411 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,640 by ICE are they feel a lot more confident in 412 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:02,519 their ability to not comply with ICE because they believe 413 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:06,559 that they're armed with this sort of silver bullet like 414 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,720 if I say these words, I won't be arrested, which 415 00:21:08,759 --> 00:21:13,400 isn't true number one, but and then number two, they 416 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,240 also know that no matter where they're being arrested, a 417 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:22,160 massive group of a massive group of protesters will basically 418 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,880 give them the sort of like social confidence if you 419 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,160 will to not comply with ICE. And that is also 420 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,920 an aspect that's not just from agitators. It's like agitators 421 00:21:34,039 --> 00:21:37,039 kind of kind of changing the dynamic with the illegal 422 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:39,640 alien they're trying to arrest themselves. So it sort of 423 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:43,880 makes the if you think about agitators being a circle 424 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:48,880 around the ICE like detainment situation like it, it makes 425 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,680 it dangerous outside the ring and inside the ring for 426 00:21:51,759 --> 00:21:54,599 ICE ations. And that's why ICE has had to I mean, 427 00:21:55,240 --> 00:22:01,480 you know, there are eight ten ICE agents to arrest 428 00:22:01,599 --> 00:22:04,599 one person. And the reason there are so many people 429 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,079 there is because they just know in the middle of 430 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,200 a parking lot, which is where the arrest took place, 431 00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:15,240 that I was witnessed to. Yeah, people showed up. I 432 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,599 mean there were people everywhere. There were people showing up. 433 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,519 They're pulling out their phones, they're on TikTok or whatever, 434 00:22:20,599 --> 00:22:22,920 and they're being like, you know, we heard over this 435 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,880 one guy, like, oh, they're about to shoot this guy 436 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,079 or whatever, which is just like not true. The guy 437 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,000 was not complying. They did have to break his wind 438 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,799 his window to get him arrested, but and then he 439 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,759 complied after that. It's like, you know, why would you 440 00:22:35,799 --> 00:22:39,319 even why would you even resist when you're not going 441 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,400 to like actually resist arrest once you're out of the car. 442 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,119 But anyway, whenever, people shouldn't resist the rest. But it's 443 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,839 just kind of funny to think about. But yeah, there's 444 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,440 a lot more confidence there with people that just makes 445 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,599 it a lot more testy, like we're gonna have to 446 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,759 go further, We're going to have to break someone's window. 447 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,799 And I heard from one of the Ice agents who 448 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,599 I spoke to that that's just not normally the case 449 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:04,079 at all when they're making an arrest, and like pretty 450 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,839 much anywhere other than than Minneapolis or like anywhere in 451 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:11,480 the country, because you know, when you get caught by 452 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:14,160 Ice and you get arrested. I mean you most most 453 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,519 illegal aliens actually just kind of comply and get arrested. 454 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,920 You know. That's that's the way it usually goes, right, Right. 455 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: So, not only do you have the component of these 456 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,880 illegals and these agitators all feeling emboldened by each other 457 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,279 because you have this safety in numbers, but you also 458 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,920 have just this absolute drain of resources of the federal 459 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,559 government and local law enforcement because you need so many 460 00:23:35,599 --> 00:23:37,720 more bodies to handle like you, you don't just need 461 00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:40,440 two people now to arrest someone, you need eight people 462 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:42,599 to arrest the person. And also, by the way, to 463 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,440 do crowd control and make sure that you're not going 464 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,680 to be make sure that you're your purpo is not 465 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:51,119 going to be de arrested by a legal observer totally. 466 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 2: Yeah. And the crowd control is again three hundred and 467 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,720 sixty degrees around you too. That's the that's the thing, 468 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:58,240 is like you have to create like a FAILANX around 469 00:23:58,279 --> 00:24:01,400 the arrest in order to actually make his successful and 470 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,160 and and safe arrest. 471 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, crazy. So another thing I wanted to talk 472 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,599 to you about logistically is the blockades. You mentioned that 473 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,559 a little bit so, so are these set up at 474 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,079 intersections or on two sides of a street, basically to 475 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,720 make sure that like ice can't go through, or that 476 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,720 it's only ice watch people who can pass, or I mean, 477 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:24,279 it's crazy to me because the cognitive dissonance of like, hey, 478 00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:26,319 we're setting up a border and we're going to do 479 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,119 border enforcement in Minneapolis is so wild, and like just 480 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,559 the idea that that you can't see how how backwards 481 00:24:33,559 --> 00:24:36,319 that is is just it's laughable to me. But yeah, 482 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,480 I'm curious a little bit more about the logistics of 483 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,119 how they work. And then I know some of them 484 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,240 have been removed, but it seems like the agitators are 485 00:24:43,279 --> 00:24:45,759 ready to just put them back up whenever needed. Correct. 486 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's pretty much correct. Yeah, you know, it's 487 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,000 sort of the old the old thing, which is like, well, 488 00:24:53,039 --> 00:24:55,240 if it's if it's what I think, then it's cool, 489 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:56,799 and if it's what you think, then it's not cool. 490 00:24:56,839 --> 00:24:58,920 I mean, that's that's what they're kind of doing there. 491 00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:03,839 They're set up. They're set up at roundabouts often, so 492 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,279 there's some like kind of smaller roundabouts. They're not like 493 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,160 full on drive around, but they're the ones we have 494 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,640 to kind of swerve around, so there's already sort of 495 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,200 a you know, natural if you will barrier there, and 496 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,720 then they are just able to sort of get palettes 497 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,200 or couches and other sorts of things that can be 498 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,559 put in the streets. So in the way that the 499 00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:27,640 way that it works is you'll have a car drive 500 00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:31,599 up and then they because all these sort of ICE 501 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,920 watch people have access to big Excel sheets that or 502 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,920 maybe the Google sheets I don't know they're using, but anyway, 503 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:43,079 they're big data sheets that have what they believe to 504 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,720 be are ICE license plates in them. So they could 505 00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:48,599 be ICE license plates or they could just be a 506 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:53,640 random person who owns an SUV now I will. I 507 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,240 think ICE also like changes over license plates and has 508 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,880 the ability to do that. But anyway, so they have 509 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,920 all these license plates, they cross reference one's license plate 510 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:05,440 with their database, and then if they aren't in the database, 511 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,799 then they let them through. That's that's kind of how 512 00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:11,559 they work. And then the local police, which up until 513 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,839 the week I was there, was not working with ICE 514 00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:18,880 at all, and now they're sort of starting to in 515 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,440 certain ways, including the sort of crowd control situation, the lawlessness, 516 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,519 because I mean there's videos of police officers being like, hey, 517 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:30,200 you know, you know we're gonna you know, basically we 518 00:26:30,279 --> 00:26:34,680 have to disperse you because there might be ambulances or 519 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,799 fire trucks that have to get through this neighborhood. And 520 00:26:36,799 --> 00:26:39,680 then the anti ice people will be like, well, they'll 521 00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:41,359 obviously be allowed through, and it's like, yeah, well, we 522 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,160 don't really trust you to be able to do that. Like, 523 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,279 you know, we saw what happened in what was it, 524 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,839 chaz Chop in Portland where people literally did die because 525 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,039 ambulances couldn't get to them in time because of the 526 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:55,920 blockade that they had. I mean, this is not it's 527 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,039 not like a funny little blockade, you know. I mean, yeah, 528 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:01,599 it was pretty easily taken down, but as you said, 529 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,200 they're easy to put back up too, kind of instantly, 530 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,680 and and you know they I think I think they did. 531 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,039 At least the one of the accounts online that was 532 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:13,519 sort of organizing a lot of the blockades. It's since 533 00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:18,000 been suspended, actually, but uh, it was putting out sort 534 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,680 of uh sort of step by step instructions as to 535 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,359 how to create your own blockade in your own neighborhood 536 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,599 and have the lookout system and all that stuff, they 537 00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:31,079 were really open about it, and and yeah, I mean 538 00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:33,599 it's just it's just a it's just obviously a dangerous situation. 539 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,200 You're also I mean, leaving it up to these sort 540 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:42,319 of extremely lawless, uh minded anarchy anarchist minded people who 541 00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:45,880 you know, you know me, like I was kind of 542 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,640 referring to earlierly, You know, if you have someone who 543 00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:51,720 is concocting all these evil things in minds, like oh, 544 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,400 what if they're hiding what if they're hiding ice agents 545 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,000 inside the fire truck like it's a trojan horse in 546 00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:00,279 order to get through Like that is not far off 547 00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,839 from how these people think, and they just can't be 548 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,119 dealing with that situation, right. 549 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: I just have so many questions about this Ice Watch 550 00:28:08,519 --> 00:28:10,920 group and just and I mean any other groups that 551 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,359 are coordinating on this, because the more I hear about it, 552 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,359 the more I just think this is so sophisticated, Like 553 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,279 this has to be more of a top down type 554 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:22,079 of thing, because even these spreadsheets of license plates, like 555 00:28:22,319 --> 00:28:25,759 this is such a huge time investment and to have 556 00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:29,839 this many bodies and this coordinated, coordinated of communication, and 557 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,079 I mean I know that these groups have been infiltrated, 558 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,079 but it took a while, and it seems to be 559 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,359 that like, not many people can infiltrate them, So how 560 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,640 are they vetting and recruiting and getting you know, loyal 561 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,480 members who have all this time on their hands. Like, 562 00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:43,559 it seems to me that there's no way this is 563 00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:45,960 a ground up thing. It has to be astroturfed. It 564 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,480 has to be like it's very sophisticated and and it 565 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:52,319 just makes me wonder whether you know, this has just 566 00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,519 been perfected because of all of the instances of anarchy, 567 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:57,519 like with the George Floyd riots and all this stuff, Like, 568 00:28:57,759 --> 00:28:59,759 have they just been doing this for so long that 569 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:03,519 it's that now it's perfected, that now they just have 570 00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:05,720 all these systems in place, so whenever it's the next 571 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,960 time to agitate in a new city, boom, they're just 572 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,680 ready to deploy these people. I mean, I'm not even 573 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,400 expecting you to have answers to these things. But it 574 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,759 is just so wild to me. The more I learn, 575 00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:20,119 I'm just like, this is not like a few radical 576 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,440 people who have time on their hands. This is a 577 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,839 well orchestrated, well oiled machine and operation here. It's crazy 578 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:27,079 to me. 579 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's totally organic. It's I think it is pretty 580 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:34,960 much what you described. Now here's the thing we could 581 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,519 and should know. But you know, it'll take the federal 582 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:41,400 government getting serious about actually investigating these groups, which they've 583 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,680 said they're going to do a million times, and we've 584 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:49,400 seen basically zero from that infiltrating all the money sources, 585 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,920 and there have been very minimal arrests of people. And 586 00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:55,359 the rest they have of people are people who are 587 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,680 you know, actively being violent in the moment, not people 588 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,920 who are kind of you call them lieutenants in the 589 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,720 in the sort of hierarchy that they that they almost 590 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,519 certainly have. Not enough is known about them, and that's 591 00:30:09,119 --> 00:30:10,799 a huge part of the problem. There have been some 592 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:15,079 reporters who have infiltrated the some of the group chats, 593 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,480 who then I think someone at City Journal did that 594 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,640 for several months, and so the best information we have 595 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:26,519 is what individual reporters have been able to spend their 596 00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:29,640 day to day doing. When you know that's which is 597 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,359 one person basically with Google and like in like a 598 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,359 signal chat, I mean, that's it's totally insufficient to be 599 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,000 able to take down these anarchy groups. And I have 600 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,119 no idea why we haven't heard anything from the federal government, 601 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:47,200 who you know, the Trump administration said Antifa is a 602 00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:50,000 is a terrorist organizations, like, well, you're certainly not treating 603 00:30:50,039 --> 00:30:52,079 them like one yet that we know of, we have 604 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,200 seen again zero arrests. So I don't know my my 605 00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:59,640 inkling just from some of the people that I've talked to. Now, 606 00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:03,240 maybe this is just a there's this like hive mind 607 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,960 in Minneapolis and in probably Seattle and Portland and things 608 00:31:06,039 --> 00:31:08,039 like that. But you know, some of these people were 609 00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:12,559 around during George Floyd. Maybe they've been around since you know, 610 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,880 Michael Brown or something like that, and you know when 611 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,559 we had riots for years on end. You know, I 612 00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:21,599 think people forget about the Baltimore riots after the Freddie 613 00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:24,920 Gray incident. I mean, there have been these kinds of 614 00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:31,359 like race or similar riots across American cities for a 615 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:32,759 long time. So I think a lot of these people 616 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:37,279 are known and they can be called upon, and maybe 617 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,880 they have jobs that allow them to be relatively transient, 618 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,480 or they could be like, oh, I'm going to take 619 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:47,599 off X amount of time and then they're going to 620 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,480 get you know, paid by all of these huge funders, 621 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,160 whether it's Soros or Ford Foundation or Kellogg or all 622 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,839 the big names that are totally involved with these left 623 00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:59,119 wing agitating groups, or maybe they're groups that we don't 624 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:02,519 even know about. We should because the federal government hasn't 625 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,759 done a whole lot. I think that I think that 626 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,839 the question you're asking is is the main question. Why 627 00:32:09,839 --> 00:32:13,000 do we have to deal with this anarchy every other year? 628 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,119 Why is it that that it gets worse in the 629 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,559 summer than in any other time of the year. And 630 00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:20,400 I know people are going to say, well, it's cold 631 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,720 in the winter. It's like, yeah, it's cold in the winter. 632 00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,279 But you know who else is not working in the 633 00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:28,599 summer is teachers? Like where are the teachers' unions with 634 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,160 this thing? Because just get off the whole summer and 635 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,279 other people who do seasonal work and then maybe the 636 00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:37,640 next you know season is the is the processing and 637 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,720 rioting season. They get work that way too. 638 00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:44,119 Speaker 1: I remember, or during election years, that's another classic, like 639 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,240 oh shocker, it's a mid firm year. 640 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yeah, that's exactly right. No, no, no, I 641 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,240 was gonna say, I mean, I remember I went to school. 642 00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:55,720 I'm here. I told you before we started recording, I'm 643 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,039 here in Charlottesville. I was here, I went to school 644 00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:01,319 down here during the Unite the Right rally, and I 645 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:07,359 remember there were Craigslist ads for getting like paying rioters, 646 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,599 like hey, be a rider for today and we'll give 647 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,519 you like eight hundred bucks or something like that. There 648 00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:15,000 were actual Craigslist ads down here. They you know, that 649 00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:18,599 was also another inside job with the state police, the 650 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:21,960 National Guard and the local police because they're all run 651 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,079 by Democrats, and they gave stand down orders for the 652 00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:28,640 purposes of it turning violent, which we all know it did. 653 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,160 And you know that was sort of the first test. 654 00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:33,799 Remember that was a couple months into the Trump the 655 00:33:33,839 --> 00:33:38,799 first Trump administration, and the mayor maybe a little bit 656 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:40,799 earlier in that year, said we're going to be ground 657 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,599 zero for resistance to the Trump administration. Then in a 658 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,519 couple months they were able to orchestrate something that was 659 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,880 pretty significant and everyone still remembers. Now, I mean, yes, 660 00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:54,000 these are sophisticated groups. These are not organic, These are 661 00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:58,920 are totally kind of now getting more technologically advanced too. 662 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,400 I mean I gure in to you to deal with 663 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,799 the getting bodies to an enforcement operation problem. I mean, 664 00:34:05,839 --> 00:34:08,800 they're going to start seeing how many vehicles they can 665 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,000 get there might be starting renting vehicles so they can 666 00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:15,119 caravan as many agitators to a location as possible without 667 00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,599 people having to do it on foot. There are any 668 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,800 cars that will that will follow these vehicles around. We 669 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,000 got when when I was there with them, we got 670 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:26,760 followed down and like made by several cars because these 671 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,119 people are just on the corners of every street and 672 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:30,840 they'll just start following you. And then you just hear 673 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,960 over the police radio like where you got. We got 674 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,199 a couple of people following us. We got to shake them. 675 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,719 And so you got to drive a weird way around 676 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,760 the neighborhood and try to find a new spot to 677 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,159 do some surveillance or whatever on the next kind of 678 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:47,360 target to arrest. And it's constant. People are looking out 679 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,559 of windows, and the police have to have lookouts, you know, 680 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:52,960 with binoculars looking at all the windows to make sure 681 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000 that they're not being washed. And then you know kind 682 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,400 of told about the groove shot. I mean, it's it 683 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:02,400 is everywhere you look. It is inside the city, and 684 00:35:02,519 --> 00:35:05,440 it is every single person that I saw there was 685 00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:07,400 just ready and willing to stand in the way of 686 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:07,840 all this. 687 00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:11,159 Speaker 1: Well, and I think what's so frustrating for so many Americans, 688 00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:12,599 I know, for us, but I think a lot of 689 00:35:12,599 --> 00:35:15,800 people who think like us too, is like it's this 690 00:35:16,159 --> 00:35:18,920 lack of action that we're seeing from the federal government 691 00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,400 on this. From the FBI, you know, from the intelligence agencies, 692 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,159 Like you have a handful of reporters doing the hard 693 00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:27,360 work of like infiltrating a group chat or whatever, like 694 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,639 they're they're getting information despite having limited resources, limited funding, whatever. 695 00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,960 And meanwhile you have the federal government who's yeah, like 696 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,960 sending letters and writing white papers and designating groups as 697 00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:42,960 terrorist organizations. And it's like, Okay, sure that's a start, 698 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,039 but like where is the action. Why are we seeing 699 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,719 no arrests? Because you know, use the word anarchy and 700 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,480 that is absolutely the appropriate word to use for this. 701 00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:53,800 These are anarchist groups. And I just think about like 702 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:59,320 what people who were non violent protesters at the January 703 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:04,360 sixth Capital demonstration, what they were subjected to for far less, 704 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,320 like far far less. And it's just like if the 705 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,960 federal government would devote a fraction of the resources, like 706 00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:16,039 a fraction to do anything about these anarchist groups, it 707 00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:19,079 would just be it would send such a powerful message 708 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:21,599 and it would just be such a demonstration of force 709 00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:24,519 that we we honestly desperately need to see because this 710 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,119 kind of stuff is not going to stop. You're going 711 00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:29,159 to see more non player characters like Rene Good and 712 00:36:29,199 --> 00:36:32,000 Alex pretty be sent to the front lines of these, 713 00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:35,079 you know, riots, and more people are going to die 714 00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:36,880 and more stuff is going to happen because the federal 715 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,920 government is not taking the action that they need to 716 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,760 to designate these groups as what they are and then 717 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,400 actually take action. Like if you if you are going 718 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,199 to say that Antifa is a terrorist organization, yes, agree. 719 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,719 If you're going to say the ice Watch is an 720 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:53,559 ANTIVA or is a terrorist organization, yeah, really seems to 721 00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:56,960 be that way, Then why are you not treating them 722 00:36:57,039 --> 00:37:00,079 like terrorists? Like a designation is not enough, and we 723 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:02,119 just need to see like a fraction of effort from 724 00:37:02,159 --> 00:37:04,639 the federal government on this specifically like the FBI and 725 00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:07,199 the Intel agencies. And it's just I think it's really 726 00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:09,760 demoralizing and frustrating for Americans who's just like, yeah, I 727 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:11,239 hear you, and we just kind of roll our eyes 728 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,559 because it's like, what are you going to do about it? Nothing? 729 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 2: And it's just going to continue totally. It is going 730 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,679 to continue it's going to get worse too. I mean, 731 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,760 you know, Alex Pretty and Renee Good that these people 732 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,519 the left, the anti ice people, I mean, they're thrilled 733 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:28,679 when someone like that dies. They absolutely love it when 734 00:37:28,679 --> 00:37:31,480 someone like that dies because it gives them so much 735 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,960 more fodder to be more violent. And you know, people 736 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,920 like that shouldn't be put in this situation to die, 737 00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:42,360 not because they're not going to put themselves in that situation. 738 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,239 Obviously they will. I can't remember who wrote it for 739 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:47,920 for the federalists, but someone said that they're these you know, 740 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,800 these people are willing to die for like illegal aliens 741 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,719 and so. But that can't get in front of law 742 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,039 enforce operations like we need a surge of more people 743 00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:02,039 in places like Minneapolis to make sure that you know, unfortunately, 744 00:38:03,159 --> 00:38:06,079 you have to have more people in order to get 745 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,280 in the way of these people who are trying to 746 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:12,360 put themselves in line to getting killed because they a 747 00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,599 lot of them, you know, I can't speak to what 748 00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,800 Alex Predi Renee Goud were thinking at the time, but 749 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,079 a lot of them sort of don't mind getting killed 750 00:38:20,519 --> 00:38:22,199 or the idea of it at least, and will put 751 00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:26,440 themselves in pretty dangerous scenarios because it helps, it helps 752 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,840 the cause. I mean totally agree with everything you were saying. 753 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,639 That it is really unfortunate that the federal government is not, 754 00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:40,280 i mean, surging anything. They're not seemingly the FBI's no 755 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,119 one's even hearing from the FBI. I'm a little bit 756 00:38:43,159 --> 00:38:50,000 concerned that the Trump administration and perhaps President Trump himself 757 00:38:50,039 --> 00:38:52,440 and other kind of people who are looking out for 758 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:58,239 the political fallout potentially from whatever enforcement operations look like. 759 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,719 I mean, you've seen the Trump administry sort of back 760 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,519 off a little bit in Minneapolis. The day I got 761 00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:06,920 there was the day that Tom Homan announced that they're 762 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,519 taking seven hundred federal agents out of the city. Whether 763 00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,360 people are looking forward or looking toward the midterms or 764 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:20,039 not for the elections, I'd say that that's probably true. 765 00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:23,760 Maybe there's some other considerations there. But I heard an 766 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,639 interesting thing, and I can't remember where I heard it from, 767 00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:32,320 but that you know, Republicans might get slaughtered in the midterms. 768 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,239 They could. I don't know. I'm not sure that the 769 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,719 setup is for the midterms. I think the setup's probably 770 00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:39,159 got to be for twenty twenty eight. You have a 771 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:42,400 little bit longer I mean, it's typical for the party 772 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,800 that just got elected to the White House to get 773 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,039 slaughtered in the midterms. That's just how it works. And 774 00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:52,559 it's on a cycle. In a similar situation, you know, 775 00:39:52,679 --> 00:39:56,559 look back to nineteen seventy two. I think in nineteen 776 00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:58,840 seventy this is when Richard Nixon was president. I think 777 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,320 in nineteen seventy one was when Kent State happened, and 778 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,079 they were like massive riots at Kent State, and the 779 00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:08,960 when Nixon sent the National Guard in. The National Guard 780 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,599 shot a couple of people at the Kent State riots. 781 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,599 You know, the whole history of that has been totally bungled. 782 00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:18,719 But that's not even why I'm bringing it up. It 783 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,559 was a similar situation, and it was the year before 784 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,760 a presidential election year, and the very next year was 785 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,320 the biggest landslide that any president has ever won. Richard 786 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,880 Nickson won reelection in the biggest election victory ever in 787 00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:37,920 history to this day. So I don't think you can. 788 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,280 I think enforcement is probably the better bet if you 789 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,480 want to be winning elections, if you want Republicans to 790 00:40:44,519 --> 00:40:46,880 show up and start voting for you, people need to 791 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,360 start seeing better numbers than six hundred thousand deportations. That 792 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,119 sounds great, but we're talking about twenty to thirty five 793 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,400 million illegal immigrants in this country. Six hundred thousand's not 794 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,239 going to cut it at all. It's not particularly close. 795 00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:06,960 Speaker 1: Right, And honestly, I'm so tired of these political expediency 796 00:41:07,079 --> 00:41:09,360 arguments because you're so right about what usually happens in 797 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,719 the midterms, Like, we need to think past the midterms 798 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,679 for a handful of reasons. One, we're probably gonna lose 799 00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:19,599 in the midterms anyway, because Republicans outside of immigration enforcement 800 00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:20,760 are giving voters. 801 00:41:20,559 --> 00:41:21,679 Speaker 2: Nothing to vote for. 802 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,039 Speaker 1: So like, if you don't deliver on this, you're not 803 00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,519 delivering on anything else, So why would anybody vote for 804 00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:30,119 you anyway. Plus, typically the party out of power, out 805 00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:33,159 of the White House is the one that makes gains 806 00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:36,440 in the midterms. Beyond that, though, it's like, Okay, sure, 807 00:41:36,559 --> 00:41:38,559 you might get trounced in the midterms because you have 808 00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:40,960 a bunch of Instagram moms who don't like the optics 809 00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:43,760 of deporting people. Okay, So those are the people who 810 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,800 are emotionally blackmailing you and holding the administration hostage right now, 811 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,639 which is so frustrating to me. But it's like, Okay, sure, 812 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,320 you might lose a few seats in the House. You 813 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,119 might lose you might take some hard, hard losses in 814 00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:58,119 the midterms if you do not run with the mandate 815 00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,480 that the American people overwhelmingly you in twenty twenty four 816 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:06,159 to crack down on border enforcement to poor people who 817 00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,400 have no right to be here and basically like reclaim 818 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,800 national sovereignty. You can kiss goodbye ever winning any election again, 819 00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:15,840 because this is going to affect how our numbers and 820 00:42:16,039 --> 00:42:19,159 congressional reapportionment go in the next census, Like you're just 821 00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:23,960 welcoming untold numbers of anchor babies, like the numbers that 822 00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:25,119 blue states are going to be. 823 00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:25,599 Speaker 2: Able to get. 824 00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: Like we will never win another election again if we 825 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,920 don't get this right. So the idea that it's like, 826 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,679 oh no, but we might lose a couple of seats 827 00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:33,639 in the midterms, Yeah, well you were going to lose 828 00:42:33,679 --> 00:42:35,920 them anyway because Congress isn't doing Jack squad and we 829 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,599 have a Republican in the White House, Like, deliver on 830 00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:41,400 the mandate. Do the thing that the majority of the 831 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,920 American people elected you to do, and that's to deport 832 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,840 and that's to crack down and to maintain law and 833 00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,440 order to ensure that we don't have any more Lake 834 00:42:48,519 --> 00:42:52,360 and Riley's and Jocelyn nungerrays. And I'm sorry if it 835 00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:55,239 looks a little unpleasant in Minneapolis to get the job done. 836 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,599 But like at the end of the day, it's what 837 00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,639 we already talked about, Like immigration and pforcement is not 838 00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,880 the problem. It's lawless agitators being spurred on by the 839 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,960 likes of Tim Walls and Jacob Fry that are the problem, 840 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,440 which is why Minneapolis is a flashpoint and not you know, 841 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,840 West Virginia or literally any other state where the local 842 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,760 police comply with ice and enforce the law to carry 843 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,960 out deportation orders. So I digress. I mean, this is 844 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,719 it's just such an important thing, and I fear that 845 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,519 we are just the optics problem is so stupid, and 846 00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:30,199 I'm so tired of the political optics being part of 847 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:34,039 the equation or being like a determinative factor in how 848 00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:35,639 we carry out immigration enforcement. 849 00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:41,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. 850 00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 4: What it means to be a conservative used to be clear, 851 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,119 tax cuts, free markets, Christian family values, and supporting democracies 852 00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:58,239 around the world. That's not true anymore, as anyone following 853 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,440 politics sees every day. 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I will say, uh that the Insurrection Act 873 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,960 didn't get invoked pretty much immediately, which it should have 874 00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:31,280 obviously on Tim Walls, Jacob fry and and sort of 875 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,280 every other agitator who was who was aiding it, whether 876 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,800 they were whether they were funding it, or whether they 877 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:40,840 were active themselves. You know, it should have been a 878 00:45:42,599 --> 00:45:45,480 what they call in the Bush administration shock in awe 879 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:50,960 campaign in Minneapolis. The moment it turned, it turned bad, 880 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,880 and everyone knew it was going to turn bad because 881 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,599 it's Minneapolis. They do this. This is the their bread 882 00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:58,800 and butter. They love doing this. They don't have much 883 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,360 else to do, apparently, and it should have. It should 884 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,519 have happened immediately. I don't know if if the sort 885 00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:07,400 of Dayton that it seems that the Trump administration is 886 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,360 trying to reach with them is is a political thing 887 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,280 or maybe you know, maybe President Trump is doesn't want 888 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,440 to get impeached for a third time. It's like, well, 889 00:46:16,639 --> 00:46:20,000 you know, I don't know that Dayton in Minneapolis is 890 00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:23,360 going to stop an impeachment. Like if if there's a 891 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,360 one person majority in the House of Representatives for the Democrats, 892 00:46:27,039 --> 00:46:30,079 you can you can bet you're getting impeached multiple times. 893 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,280 You're gonna get impeached for the next two years or 894 00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,360 until whatever, until whoever. Like you know, there's a there's 895 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,239 a different majority. You're gonna get impeached. You're not gonna 896 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,639 get removed. You're gonna get impeached for literally anything and 897 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,079 everything you do. So it's it's the same thing, like 898 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,480 don't worry about the midterms, don't worry about getting impeached, 899 00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:49,840 Like just owned that that might happen, and and do 900 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:51,719 the mandate that the American people want you to do, 901 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,000 because if if that doesn't happen, then then twenty eight's gone. 902 00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,199 And the retribution campaign from the Democrats if they get 903 00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:03,360 back the White House in twenty twenty eight, is going 904 00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,440 to be insane. I mean people, they are going to 905 00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:10,199 arrest people, They are gonna get for no reason. You know, 906 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,880 the people that the Trump administration should be arresting like 907 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,559 actually deserve to be arrested. And just like with January sixth, 908 00:47:16,679 --> 00:47:19,400 or with you know, invoking this the Face Act on 909 00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:25,519 praying nuns outside of an abortion facility, you know, yeah, 910 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:27,559 their people are gonna get purp walk. They're going to 911 00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:29,800 get broke. You know, their swat teams are coming to 912 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,800 their house at three am. Who don't deserve it. It's 913 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,639 going to look pretty bad. So I think that the 914 00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:37,320 Trump administration is going to be remembered. Maybe they're thinking 915 00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,360 of legacy. They're going to be remembered a lot more 916 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:44,599 for setting up the right in our country for complete 917 00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:47,239 and total failure and domination in twenty twenty eight, unless 918 00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,760 they kind of deal with this immigration thing and so 919 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,440 that they're actually dead serious about, as you said, taking 920 00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:56,519 our country back, making sure that our congressional districts aren't 921 00:47:57,079 --> 00:48:00,920 aren't heavily weighted toward having illegals. And so California has 922 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,440 an enormous amount of power that is entirely made up 923 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,239 of illegal aliens, like they have. I think it's like 924 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,920 they have like six or eight too many congressional districts 925 00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,719 in California because of the illegal alien population. They're alone. 926 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,440 And then you talk about Illinois, and then you talk 927 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,119 about New York and it's the same situation there. You know, 928 00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,880 this is existential, It actually is existential. I know everyone 929 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,800 loves to say that, like this is the most important 930 00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:27,960 election or whatever, this is the most important thing, but like, 931 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,800 I mean, we're getting to a point where we don't 932 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:34,000 have we don't really have Some people don't want us 933 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,360 to have a country and other people are wondering where 934 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,039 their country went and if people are going to be 935 00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:38,840 serious about it. 936 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,639 Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's really important that we get the 937 00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:44,119 messaging right on it too, because the elections point is 938 00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:46,679 such a huge component of this. But it's not just 939 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,960 about keeping our elections safe and secure from non citizens voting. 940 00:48:52,159 --> 00:48:54,400 Not that that doesn't happen, because we do have plenty 941 00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:58,119 of documented instances of this happening. But the problem is 942 00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:01,119 the apportionment. The problem is that people who have no 943 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,199 legal right to be here are currently included in our census, 944 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,039 which is how you get political power, which is why, 945 00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:10,280 of course you have sanctuary states and sanctuary cities. It's 946 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,840 the whole point. It's about political power. It's not about 947 00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,239 compassion for non white people, and it's just it's such 948 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,199 an important thing that like a lot of Americans who 949 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,760 are swept up in the media propaganda don't even know that, 950 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,000 they have no clue about that political reality. And so 951 00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:26,480 it's just so important that we like communicate the importance 952 00:49:26,519 --> 00:49:29,199 of these issues because they are not like side issues 953 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,559 like this, this will determine the future of the country 954 00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:36,320 for decades to come. By people who have no legal 955 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:38,639 right to be here. And that's it's just really important 956 00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:40,800 that we that we get our messaging right on that. 957 00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,159 Speaker 2: So that's exactly right. And just to add to that 958 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,239 exact point, I mean, you know, if you're wondering why 959 00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:52,239 Minnesota is the way it is, it's partially because they 960 00:49:52,679 --> 00:49:55,840 retained a congressional district that they shouldn't have by like 961 00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:00,079 seventy five people in the last sentence, So they were 962 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:03,679 about to lose a congressional district and they were seventy 963 00:50:03,679 --> 00:50:05,800 five people away from doing it, and they just got 964 00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,039 over the top this time around. You know, if you 965 00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:12,599 deport seventy five illegals from Minneapolis, that they lose a 966 00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:17,360 congressional district, I mean, that's that that would happen around 967 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,159 the country and all of these states that have imported 968 00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:22,000 so many of these illegals, So just you know, they're 969 00:50:22,039 --> 00:50:24,480 thinking about that because their political power and their national 970 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,440 political power goes down when they lose congressional districts. 971 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,280 Speaker 1: Which is so interesting because you know, you're always going 972 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,239 to have fight fights over redistricting, which is what we're seeing, 973 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,239 you know with Indiana and Texas and Virginia and you know, 974 00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,719 of course, the Democrat states are much more appt right 975 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,599 now to redistrict, which is how you ended up with, 976 00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,920 you know, Abigail Spamberger days into office, like redistricting to 977 00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:50,639 make sure half of the Republican state is represented by 978 00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:55,360 only one congressional district versus ten allocated to Democrats. So 979 00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,199 of course, like there are political ways to do this 980 00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,840 that are like you know, legal but unsavory and are 981 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,880 frequently contested you know, in the courts. But when it 982 00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:09,599 comes to immigration, it's inherently illegal. Like it is legalized 983 00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:13,639 because we count we count non citizens in the census, 984 00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:16,719 but they are not legally allowed to be here. And 985 00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,320 so you know, it's like a non starter, like we 986 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,280 shouldn't even have this question because it's like, well just 987 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,639 support them, Like it's not it results in political outcomes, 988 00:51:24,679 --> 00:51:26,840 but it is an important thing to do, regardless of 989 00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:28,840 whether you're a Republican or Democrat. It's like go home, 990 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,199 you are not allowed to be here, like you have 991 00:51:31,199 --> 00:51:31,800 broken the law. 992 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:32,199 Speaker 2: Goodbye. 993 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:36,199 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, we like went down this rabbit trail for 994 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,760 quite a while. But I think it's such an important, 995 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,880 important thing. But I want to I want to pull 996 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,280 back a little bit to the local law enforcement cooperating 997 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,840 with ICE. So I know before you were there, uh, 998 00:51:46,039 --> 00:51:48,639 local PD was doing nothing to help with ICE and 999 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,239 immigration enforcement at all. But I know that's changed a 1000 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,159 little bit, and I'm curious what you observed on the 1001 00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:56,800 ground as far as like what local PD is doing 1002 00:51:56,920 --> 00:52:00,880 or not doing as it relates to, uh, these deportation efforts. 1003 00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it's sort of a 1004 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:04,639 bare minimum thing. 1005 00:52:04,679 --> 00:52:04,800 Speaker 3: Now. 1006 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:09,840 Speaker 2: The main thing that that's changed is so ICE Department 1007 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,800 of Film and Security has a has a I think 1008 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:14,079 I think it's called two eighty seven G. It's like 1009 00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:17,239 a it's like an agreement that a local or state 1010 00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:21,440 or both police force can enter with ICE in order 1011 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:25,199 to basically help ICE operations on the ground, whether that's 1012 00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,480 you know, reporting that illegals that they pick up for 1013 00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:32,559 other crimes, for detainers, or actually helping with the on 1014 00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:36,480 the ground enforcement. Now might now, Uh, the Minneapolis Police 1015 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,320 are not doing that, and they're still not doing that, 1016 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,800 and that's been a major point of Jacob Fry, who's 1017 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,719 obviously in charge of them. But when I so, I 1018 00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:49,480 asked the field office director in Saint Paul that exact question, 1019 00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:51,960 and he said that first of all, you know, the 1020 00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:56,599 cooperation with local police is better than it's portrayed in 1021 00:52:56,639 --> 00:53:01,960 the media, but there have been significant issues with trying 1022 00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:04,840 to get them to cooperate. But it's even gone down. 1023 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,639 I mean there were reports of it used to be 1024 00:53:07,679 --> 00:53:09,679 really bad and now it is slightly better. So there 1025 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,639 used to be reports of you know, basically off duty 1026 00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,679 ice officers or maybe they were on duty, but they 1027 00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:17,679 were like grabbing lunch at a restaurant or something, and 1028 00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:19,920 then they were in you know, uniform and a bunch 1029 00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:24,159 of agitators come and start making the stage situation extremely 1030 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,800 dangerous and they can't leave because they're blocking their ability 1031 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,920 to leave. Ice officers call police, and the police just 1032 00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,440 literally don't respond and leave the ice officers there out 1033 00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,119 to dry and in again a situation where these ice 1034 00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:39,360 officers could be killed. I mean, you don't know Alex 1035 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,360 Predy had a gun on them, you know, one another 1036 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,599 person has not that you shouldn't have. Honestly, like a 1037 00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:45,440 lot of people say that you should not have a gun. 1038 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,000 You can have a gun, but like you know, these 1039 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,360 people are very crazed and so they might be dangerous. 1040 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:57,360 But but now apparently they will respond to those calls, 1041 00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,599 is what I was told, which is, you know, again 1042 00:53:59,639 --> 00:54:03,760 a bare minimum thing, but minimum. Yeah, that's a happy thing, 1043 00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,119 I suppose. And then the other thing is that they 1044 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:12,519 are not going to help ICE do immigration enforcement. They 1045 00:54:12,679 --> 00:54:18,400 are going to support ICE in the crowd control department. 1046 00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:22,159 So that's and that's sort of the biggest thing. That's 1047 00:54:22,199 --> 00:54:26,599 the reason why Customs and Border Protection officers were there 1048 00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:30,199 in the first place, because they didn't have the support 1049 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,039 from local police and so they had to send in 1050 00:54:32,119 --> 00:54:35,679 more federal agents to create that failings I was describing earlier. 1051 00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:39,639 Like I said earlier too, the local police were the 1052 00:54:39,679 --> 00:54:43,760 ones who took down the barriers and the blockades and 1053 00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,159 things like that that may or may not have happened otherwise, 1054 00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,440 because I mean, that is just an actual concern aside 1055 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:55,159 from the ICE situation, but that sort of thing, it 1056 00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:58,000 seems like there's a little bit less lawlessness that's going 1057 00:54:58,039 --> 00:55:00,599 to be just allowed to happen in the city. And 1058 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,360 I mentioned this in the article that I wrote. I 1059 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:07,320 mean that seems to be the function of the Minneapolis 1060 00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,519 government and police force is that like the anarchy is 1061 00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:13,239 allowed to happen for a long period of time until 1062 00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,719 it gets a little bit too hot, and then the 1063 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,599 government sort of springs into action and acts like, oh yeah, 1064 00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,039 well we've been here the whole time, and then they 1065 00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:25,480 sort of tamp it down, but they don't really they 1066 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,480 don't really kill it, so to speak. That's sort of 1067 00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:31,599 the ebb and flow. That's part of the whole dynamic 1068 00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:35,360 in Minneapolis of like these actual died in the old 1069 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:40,239 anarchists who pushed the envelope until the local government is like, 1070 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,920 that's a little bit too far, Like we're willing to 1071 00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,280 work with you guys up until a certain point. So 1072 00:55:46,119 --> 00:55:48,440 that seems to be the situation. What it remains to 1073 00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,239 be seen. When I was there last week, that was 1074 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,840 when all of this stuff was changing over and so 1075 00:55:56,599 --> 00:56:01,079 the Tom Homan had just gotten he had, you know, 1076 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:03,719 the agreement I guess is taking away seven hundred federal 1077 00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:08,000 agents because they've gotten agreements with Jacob fry And and 1078 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:10,880 Tim Walls, And I think it just remains to be 1079 00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,920 seen at this point. It will it'll be interesting to 1080 00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:16,280 see if and when the next sort of major confrontation 1081 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:22,079 happens and how local police interact and react to that. 1082 00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:24,960 We've seen a couple of instances of of you know, 1083 00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,280 agitators outside of hotel rooms where they believe ICE officers 1084 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,320 are staying and stuff, And that used to be a 1085 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,400 situation they would just let slide, and now it looks 1086 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,159 like they are. They're responding and kind of like dispersing 1087 00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:39,719 the crowd in those situations. So again, it's bare minimum stuff, 1088 00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,400 but it is better than it was. I mean, you're 1089 00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:45,079 talking about you're talking about putting the lives of a 1090 00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,320 bunch of federal agents who are there doing their job 1091 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,360 at risk just to gain political points because you know, 1092 00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:55,440 you want the situation to spiral out of control. That's 1093 00:56:55,639 --> 00:56:58,760 the game. That's the that's the playbook of Jacob Fry, 1094 00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,719 that's the playbook of j of Tim Walls. And you know, 1095 00:57:03,079 --> 00:57:04,480 yeah again it remains to be seen. 1096 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well we'll have to keep tabs on it. 1097 00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:10,719 Moving forward. Here, we've been talking for almost an hour 1098 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,639 and we've barely even touched on your ICE ride along experience. 1099 00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:18,719 So let's chat about that for a minute. First of all, 1100 00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,320 I would love to just hear you originally were supposed 1101 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,960 to do a ride along on a different day, but 1102 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,400 you had to move it. Can you explain why you 1103 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:27,719 had to move the ride along and kind of what 1104 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:28,360 happened there. 1105 00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:32,599 Speaker 2: Yes, So I was there Monday through Wednesday, left early 1106 00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:35,679 on Thursday, and I originally had my ICE ride along 1107 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,440 for the Tuesday, so in the middle of it. But 1108 00:57:38,519 --> 00:57:41,639 I also had planned on as I did go out 1109 00:57:41,679 --> 00:57:44,639 and talk to agitators and things like that. I was 1110 00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:49,320 told by numerous people inside of the Department of Homeland 1111 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,440 Security and outside of the Department of Homeland Security that 1112 00:57:53,039 --> 00:57:55,920 if I'm planning to go out and into the city 1113 00:57:56,119 --> 00:57:58,679 as just even a civilian, not even going to the 1114 00:57:58,719 --> 00:58:01,920 agitators as a civilian in because there are so many 1115 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:03,760 people in these group chats and stuff like that, that 1116 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,920 I should not do that after I've been seen in 1117 00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,360 a ride along with ICE. So they told me that 1118 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,760 pretty much it was going to be unsafe to do 1119 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,119 it on Tuesday and then go out and into the 1120 00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:19,840 protests or into the talk to the agitators on Wednesday, 1121 00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:23,119 because you're just going to get attacked, like you're like, 1122 00:58:23,159 --> 00:58:26,400 they my face is all over their group chats because 1123 00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,599 I have been filmed with being a reporter with ICE. 1124 00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:32,480 You know, I don't have a mask on, but they 1125 00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:35,039 all ICE people have a mask on, and so my 1126 00:58:35,079 --> 00:58:36,679 face is all over their group chats. Now, It's like, 1127 00:58:36,719 --> 00:58:40,039 literally the last thing that I could do in Minneapolis 1128 00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:42,880 was the Ice ride along because of that situation. So 1129 00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,599 I had to change it up, which ended up being fine, 1130 00:58:45,679 --> 00:58:48,199 and did it on Wednesday, and as soon as I 1131 00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:52,639 got back from it, Uh, I stayed in my hotel 1132 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,440 the pretty much the whole rest of the night until 1133 00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,400 I went to the airport. I will say, the other thing, oh, 1134 00:58:57,519 --> 00:58:59,920 this is this is kind of a part of the 1135 00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:04,760 point is are there are agitators outside of the Federal 1136 00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:08,639 Building where Ice is staged, like twenty four to seven, 1137 00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:11,280 and they are taking pictures. That's how they get all 1138 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,000 the license plates. They're taking pictures of everyone's license plate 1139 00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:16,280 going in and out of the Federal Building, sending it 1140 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,280 into their group chat. They are taking pictures of everyone's face, 1141 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,079 sending it into their group chat. So when I showed 1142 00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:25,320 up in a rental car to pull in, I mean, 1143 00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:29,119 it's just like a poparazzi of people taking pictures of 1144 00:59:29,159 --> 00:59:32,000 you and and you know, making sure because then you 1145 00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:33,840 got to that's where you stage and you leave through 1146 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:39,199 there too. So that's that's I unfortunately how it is. 1147 00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,960 But everything ended up being fine. But like, you know, 1148 00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:44,639 you don't really think about those contingencies until someone's like, 1149 00:59:44,679 --> 00:59:47,760 oh you really shouldn't, Like you're gonna get docksed man 1150 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:48,519 if you do that. 1151 00:59:48,719 --> 00:59:51,199 Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, everything turned out to be fine, but 1152 00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:52,960 probably because you did your ride. 1153 00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:53,599 Speaker 2: Along on the last day. 1154 00:59:53,679 --> 00:59:55,440 Speaker 1: So I'm sure that was an important component of that 1155 00:59:55,559 --> 01:00:01,199 everything being fine. Yeah, so so let's talk about what 1156 01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:03,360 happened during the ride along. I would love to hear 1157 01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,880 about what that looks like kind of procedurally, procedurally with 1158 01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,159 the officers and yeah, just what kind of stuff you did. 1159 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's kind of funny because it's it's a 1160 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:15,800 lot of it's a lot of nothing and then and 1161 01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:20,199 then a short amount of something. So the first mostly too, 1162 01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:22,960 I was there for about three hours. The first two 1163 01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:27,840 hours of it, we're sort of watching and waiting, and 1164 01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:32,880 you know, they'll be reading license plates and they're reading 1165 01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,679 license plates and selves and they're running it through. There 1166 01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:38,519 a couple of different databases they have of like kind 1167 01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:42,840 of known illegal immigrants, because illegal immigrants can get driver's 1168 01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,440 licenses and cars for some reason, and so anyway they 1169 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,039 have that information and then that's how they get a 1170 01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:51,239 lot of the people that they're arresting is they'll run 1171 01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:52,840 plates and they'll be like, oh, okay, so we have 1172 01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:55,639 a person of interest here that if they have a 1173 01:00:55,719 --> 01:00:57,639 rap sheet, the rap sheet will show up, whether it's 1174 01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:00,320 like a dui. The guy that they rest when I 1175 01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,159 was there, had a dui. It could you know, dui 1176 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,559 is sort of the tip of the iceberg of what 1177 01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:09,199 some of these people have committed, you know, murder, raid 1178 01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:12,039 and things like that. And then they'll go and they'll 1179 01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:16,400 sort of try to build a they're trying to build 1180 01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:18,880 like a profile of what their day to day looks like. 1181 01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:21,239 So it's just like kind of standard police work, right. 1182 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,760 You know, you got to you gotta plate, you got 1183 01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:26,960 a person of interest that you want to arrest, and 1184 01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:30,719 you know, you kind of follow them to see what 1185 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:32,760 their day looks like, maybe you find out where they work. 1186 01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,360 That that was the case with the person that was arrested, 1187 01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,199 and I was there. They found out I think the 1188 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,880 day before that he works at the McDonald's and that 1189 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,239 he his shift is six to six am to one pm, 1190 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,440 and so that's we were literally waiting for him to 1191 01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,519 get off of work at one pm to go make 1192 01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:56,960 the arrest. While kind of tracking other people down running plates. 1193 01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:59,880 We did pull I mentioned briefly, we pulled over another 1194 01:02:00,199 --> 01:02:03,239 on the side of the highway that had a plate 1195 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:06,599 that that person was actually legally in the United States. 1196 01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,079 They were given some sort of status. I don't believe 1197 01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:13,280 it was citizenship, because the person once again was not 1198 01:02:13,320 --> 01:02:17,079 complying with ICE officers. And if you're given legal status 1199 01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:22,000 by the federal government, you are required by law to 1200 01:02:22,039 --> 01:02:26,400 show an ICE officer your ability to be in our country. 1201 01:02:26,559 --> 01:02:30,079 And this guy wouldn't roll his window down, and then 1202 01:02:30,159 --> 01:02:32,280 once he did, he was just like, you know, he 1203 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,280 was just filming, and the ICE officers like, way, you're 1204 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,519 on camera too, Like, you know, we're on camera. We 1205 01:02:38,519 --> 01:02:40,400 need to see your ID. And the guy kept refusing 1206 01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,920 to see the ID and all the rest of it, 1207 01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:46,360 just not complying. Nothing ended up happening to him, even 1208 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,440 though he might. If that had gone on further, they 1209 01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,960 probably should have arrested him. But he eventually showed his 1210 01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:55,800 ID and he was a citizen. But you know, that's 1211 01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:59,559 the kind of thing where these guys just don't they 1212 01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:02,039 feel confident to not comply, and that's what they do. 1213 01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:06,360 And so and then yeah, and then after that, the 1214 01:03:06,599 --> 01:03:09,599 guy that ended up getting arrested got off work once 1215 01:03:09,679 --> 01:03:12,719 again did not comply. Now that was in a bit 1216 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,599 of a public setting, and it was in the parking 1217 01:03:14,639 --> 01:03:17,000 lot of them McDonald's, And the ice officer I was 1218 01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:19,519 with was like, this is this. We might get a 1219 01:03:19,559 --> 01:03:21,960 crowd here because you know, it's in the middle of 1220 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,679 a parking lot and not on the side of the 1221 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,760 road where you're gonna get less of a crowd, a 1222 01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,800 low still a crowd. And we did and so the 1223 01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,119 you know, the McDonald's workers come flooding out. Some dude 1224 01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:34,920 parks his car and starts screaming at the ice officers 1225 01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:39,119 and other dudes behind, uh you know, filming a TikTok 1226 01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:42,159 reel or whatever they're called. And you know, the whole 1227 01:03:42,159 --> 01:03:45,880 thing is very chaotic. And then the guy himself again 1228 01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:48,880 was not complying at all. They had to break his window. 1229 01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:53,440 You know what I showed or I posted a video 1230 01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:56,679 of the like breaking the window through arrest thing. But 1231 01:03:57,119 --> 01:04:01,000 the full video is like ice officers in English and 1232 01:04:01,119 --> 01:04:06,000 Spanish for about three or four straight minutes being like 1233 01:04:06,159 --> 01:04:09,039 we need you to, you know, roll down your window 1234 01:04:09,079 --> 01:04:11,000 and chose your ID and all the rest of it. 1235 01:04:11,039 --> 01:04:13,400 I mean, the guy was gonna get arrested one way 1236 01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:15,519 or the other because they're not going to be oh, well, 1237 01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:17,480 you won't comply, I guess, I guess we can't arrest 1238 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:24,800 you now. So he's being told to comply this whole time. 1239 01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,360 The guy's feeling confident enough to not do that, and 1240 01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,840 then had to end up breaking his window and then 1241 01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,559 he just got brought in for you know, and and 1242 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,239 I don't know what his status is now, but he's 1243 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,360 you know, just being processed and deported I assume, so. 1244 01:04:39,639 --> 01:04:42,119 Speaker 1: Right, It's it is so important just to see though, 1245 01:04:42,159 --> 01:04:45,039 how this kind of stuff works, because it's, like you said, 1246 01:04:45,079 --> 01:04:48,599 it's it's police work, like the are. These are federal 1247 01:04:48,599 --> 01:04:52,400 officers putting in the time to make sure they have 1248 01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:55,119 the right person to identify people who have no legal 1249 01:04:55,199 --> 01:04:58,440 right to be here and to you know, clearly this 1250 01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:01,239 is somebody who had broken a laws in addition to 1251 01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:05,480 immigration laws, and then go through a process to lawfully 1252 01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:08,440 remove them. I mean, you know, I've heard so many 1253 01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:12,320 ridiculous fantasies from anti ICE people who are making up 1254 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,239 stories about how this is going down in Minneapolis, of course, 1255 01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:17,960 partially stoked by the media because they're just painting this 1256 01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:20,400 false picture of what's happening. But you know, this idea 1257 01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:24,199 that the Gestapo are going door to door in Minneapolis 1258 01:05:24,239 --> 01:05:26,239 looking for people who don't have white skin and then 1259 01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,039 demanding their papers, and it's like, that's clearly not what's 1260 01:05:29,039 --> 01:05:31,880 happening here. It's important. You know, we're getting so many 1261 01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:36,159 human interest stories from you know, everyone else. You know 1262 01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,519 Renee Good. We're hearing that she's a poet and you 1263 01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:40,920 know mother and all these things. But it's like the 1264 01:05:41,519 --> 01:05:45,440 Ice agents who are doing this difficult work to undo 1265 01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:49,800 years of lawlessness under the Biden administration, to protect American 1266 01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,639 citizens and our national interests, they are human beings too, 1267 01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,039 They need to be humanized, and they're doing really important 1268 01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:58,760 and dangerous work every day. So it's super cool to 1269 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:00,880 get an inside look at that through through the eyes 1270 01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,599 of Brecon, who got to write along and experience at firsthand. 1271 01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:07,599 So I think we're at time, Brecon, So I'll wrap 1272 01:06:07,639 --> 01:06:10,320 it with that. But thank you so much for not 1273 01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:14,159 only staying safe and defying your fiance and mother's wishes 1274 01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:16,639 that you not go, but also for sharing all of 1275 01:06:16,679 --> 01:06:20,000 your stories from on the road with us. Super fascinating stuff. 1276 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,920 Everybody should go read Breckon's piece at the Federalists all 1277 01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:27,000 of his reporting, but specifically this piece from Minneapolis. It's 1278 01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:31,159 called Checkpoints and Street corner Centuries in Minneapolis, ICE hating 1279 01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:34,679 anarchists are an occupying force. Thanks again so much, Brecon 1280 01:06:34,719 --> 01:06:35,639 appreciate you being here. 1281 01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:37,079 Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate it. 1282 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,800 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for tuning into this week's episode 1283 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,519 of The Kylie Cast. If you haven't done so already, 1284 01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:50,679 please like and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Leave 1285 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,719 us a five star review. It'd be a great way 1286 01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,960 for you to help out the show. Go read Breckon's article. 1287 01:06:56,039 --> 01:06:58,960 It's linked in the show notes. I will be right 1288 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,639 back here next week with more so until then, just 1289 01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:04,400 remember the truth hurts, but it won't kill you.