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Speaker 1: Welcome to Missing Persons case files A place where they gone?

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Are not the forgotten? What's happening in the forest of

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North America? How are so many people disappearing only to

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have the remains found much later, or in many cases

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not at all. Are the predators to blame giant hair

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covered beasts or even more terrifying us as humans? Maybe

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it's both, Maybe it's neither. These are just a few

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of the questions we'll look to uncover here on the

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Missing person's case files.

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Speaker 2: Credit for this article goes to Strange Outdoors dot com.

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Alviwebb disappeared October nineteenth of twenty nineteen and the San

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Juan National Forest, Colorado. ALVIWB eighty six of Muldro, Oklahoma,

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was on an elk cunning trimp and the Colorado Wilderness

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and the Divide Road Roaring Fork area of the San

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Juan National Forest. On the morning of October nineteenth of

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twenty nineteen, Alvi, a former principal and teacher, was with

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his son, grandson, and others. They had camped near Road

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five sixty four A. They had been elk hunting in

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that location for the previous five years and knew the

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area well. On October nineteenth, the family took Alvi one

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hundred yards down a trail and he was left alone

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to hunt in a location close to the camp, near

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a meadow where he had hunted the previous year. They

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told him, now we're going to pick you up at

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the bottom of the hill on the road at around

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ten o'clock. The unnamed trail meets the Roaring Fork Road

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Forest Road four thirty five after about two miles. The

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area is rugged and mountainous, west of the Colorado Trail

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four miles south. When the hunting party members checked on

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Alvi several hours later, they could not find him. There

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was no sign whatsoever of him or his belongings. The

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hunter searched the area where he was meant to be,

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but came up with nothing. At four pm, they contacted

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the authorities to report him missing. A larger search mission

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was started at around five. Alvi was last seen wearing

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an arnge stocking cap, an orange hunter vest over a

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heavy camouflage jacket. He had a few food bars and water,

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but no overnightgear. Montezuma County Sheriff Steve Nolan said the

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county Search and Rescue Team, deputies and a Canine Search

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and Rescue team and friends and family of Webb conducted

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an on the ground search of the area, but nothing

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was found. Sheriff Nolan said, we have looked all over

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and searched a large area thirty yards at a time,

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but there was no sign of him, no clues. We

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had people thirty feet apart and that's mostly open aspen

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meadows in that area. We cross covered areas we had

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already been over. We should have found him, but there

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was no sign of him anywhere. It's frustrating. Nobody is

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finding anything. A Colorado National Guard black Hawk helicopter, Flight

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for Life helicopter and Messa Verday Civil Air Patrol plane

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also searched the heavily wooded area from the air. The

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search included Montezuma County Search and Rescue, Montezuma County Sheriff deputies,

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and canine Search and Rescue drones went up at night

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with infrared, but no heat signatures could be detected. Abby

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had a cell phone, but it was turned off or

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the battery ran down. On Friday, October eighteenth, the authorities

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attempted to pick up a signal, but with no luck.

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On Monday twenty five, researchers were searching the area in

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a grid pattern, and at about nine or nine thirty am,

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someone said they thought they heard a muffled gunshot, but

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there were no signs of animals in the area or

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animals that had been killed. The official search was called off,

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but family and friends continued to search the area for

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some time after, but with no result. Albi has some

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trouble walking given his age, and was not expected to

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hike a long distance, so the authorities were puzzled as

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to why he could not be located after an intense

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search in the vicinity of the trail. Friends and family

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members said he did not have any disabilities and that

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he was very until he alert Sheriff Nolan said he

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didn't think Webb would have walked very far. The altitude

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at that location is about ninety five hundred feet, and

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he said Webb had only been there a couple of

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days before going hunting and had not had time to

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acclimate to the thinner air. He said there had also

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been a dusting of snow in that area Sunday morning,

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a strong winter storm moved into Colorado after Alvi's disappearance,

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resulting in a large temperature swing dropping temperatures to the

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twenty degree mark or lower. Alvi Webb's story has striking

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similarities to other hunters who have mysteriously vanished in the wilderness.

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Did he fall off a cliff or did he just

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wander off somewhere into the wilderness despite his age and

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difficulty walking. Was he accidentally shot by other hunters and

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had been taken away, or did something strange happen. At

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the time of writing this story, there is still no

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sign of Alvi Webb and the Colorado Wilderness. This story

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sounds so similar to the one we just did. I

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say we just did, but it had. It's been a

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little bit of Tom Messix senior. So the similarities between

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Alvi Webb and Tom Messex Senior are it's mind boggling

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to me because I mean, like it's a coincidence or

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it's not. So listen to these similarities and let me

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know what you think. So Alvi was eighty six and

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Tom was eighty two, so they're both in their eighties.

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Tom went missing November fifteenth of twenty fifteen. Alvi went

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missing October nineteenth of twenty nineteen, so almost a year

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to the day. Four years later, Alvi goes missing. Now, granted,

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Tom goes missing in New York and Alvi goes missing

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into Colorado, so there's no similarities there. They both had

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trouble getting around because of their age, of course, but

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they're both mentally alert. Tom had been a hunter for

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fifty five years. The only difference here is the place

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where Tom went missing. It was a new area. The

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place that Alvi went missing. He had been there the

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year prior and it was a well known area. Let's see,

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they both left. They were both left to hunt by

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family and discovered missing the same way. So Tom's family

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left him in the woods sitting on a log and

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was going to push deer to him so he could

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shoot them. When they came back, Tom was gone and

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was never found. Alvi was left at the end of

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this trail and his family said we're going to come

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back and get you at ten o'clock and we'll go

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to camp. He was never found. They had both had

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a methodical grid search done for them, Like there's no

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way that you can have this expansive meadow aspen meadow,

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and you have people thirty feet apart and they're searching

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thirty yards at one time and not find a thing

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that makes no sense whatsoever. I totally get Sheriff Nolan's

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frustration here. They, as I said, they were both lifelong hunters.

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They both had on clothing that you should have clearly,

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clearly been able to see Alvi. If you look at

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the pictures, he was decked out in the brightest orange

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hat and jacket like he was glowing. Okay, he would

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have been found. There shouldn't have been any issue with

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finding Alvi whatsoever based off of the clothes that he

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had on. And the same way with Tom. They both

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knew their way around the woods. They in their eighties.

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They're gonna know to stay put. If they get lost,

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they're gonna leave some kind of markers. They absolutely just disappeared.

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They both had belongings with them. So Tom had his

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rifle and he had a walkie talkie. Alvi had his food,

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his water, and he has the and no doubt he

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had a rifle.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey.

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Speaker 2: All of it's gone. None of it anywhere has been found.

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None of it. They haven't been found, and their belongings

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haven't been found. So you would assume assume that in

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these cases, if the person is not found. At least

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their items are found, but neither had any of their

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items found to this day. They both had sources of

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communication on them, as I said, Tom had a walkie

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talkie and Alvi had his cell phone. Now granted, in

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the article, it said that Alvi's cell phone was either

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turned off or his battery had died, but either way,

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they both had a source of communication that if need be,

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they could have called somebody for help if they had

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gotten lost. They both had the same meetup times and

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that's so ironic to me because Alvi's families said, Okay,

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we're gonna leave you here to hunt and we're gonna

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meet back up at ten am, and Tom's family said, okay,

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we're gonna leave you here to hunt and we'll come

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back at ten am. It is there's so it's just

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so weird to me how they're so similar. They both

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had and it happens in every single missing person case

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and it's so frustrating. So when Tom's search party started,

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that one's a little ironic or weird. I wouldn't say ironic,

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but weird. So if you haven't heard that, we go

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back and listen to that one, because there was a

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lot of people looking for him, like really quick, like

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the FBI and everybody. Albeit that wasn't the case. But

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the weather, the weather, you guys, sucked in both cases.

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So alb his weather went from just being like cold

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to having a light dusting of snow that Sunday. He

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went missing this Saturday, and then Monday this humongous winter storm.

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So anything on the ground that the dog, these dogs

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could have picked up the days following, they're not going

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to be able to. Tom had a enormous amount of

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rain come down when they were searching for him, so

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obviously all of that is going to wash his scent away.

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how one person. And granted I don't get me wrong,

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I completely understand the vastness of these forests and the woods,

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and I mean I get it, I do. But Albi

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was eighty six, He had trouble getting around, he was

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mentally alert, There was no mental disabilities, there was no dementia,

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there was no Alzheimer's, nothing, and his family wouldn't have

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left him alone if they ever dreamed that he would

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be gone. It is the classic case of here one minute,

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gone the next and it's the same with Tom's case.

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But getting back to what I was saying, I just

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I don't understand how one person can just disappear within

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like a very short time and nobody can find them.

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There's no trace of them, there's no trace of their belongings.

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They have had hundreds of people look for them in

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the area that they should have been. In Albe's case,

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the sea level being a ninety five hundred feet, you

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do have to have time to acclimate to that because

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you do get altitude sickness. Maybe that was the case.

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Maybe he had altitude sickness, Maybe he got delirious. I

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don't know. I mean, I am really taking a stab

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in the dark here because I'm trying to make sense

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of this and I don't know if you can make

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sense of a senseless situation at all. So he said,

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I don't think he's gonna, you know, wander off too

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far because of the altitude and he hasn't had time

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to acclimate to that yet. I just I don't really understand.

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But if you have an opinion on this case or

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the time Messic Senior case, absolutely leave it in the comments,

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because when we do the research and we come up

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with pretty much nothing. After we scrape the bottom of

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the barrel, there's no answers. There's still no answers. This

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was seven years ago, and with Tom, I mean you're

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looking at almost ten years ago and nothing of these

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men have been found. Nothing. It's like they completely vanished

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off the face of the earth. Now Tom's case, there

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was a weird sound in the woods that sounded like metal.

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The only thing in Alvi's case was that it sounded

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like a shotgun went off around nine or nine thirty.

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But if a hunter is in trouble, they shoot the

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gun three times. This was only one shot. So I

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met an absolute loss as to what could have happened.

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I mean, people are gonna say, you know, he wandered off,

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he fell, he fell into a crevass. They weren't able

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to see him. I am telling you the clothes that

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Alvi Webb had on, people from China should have been

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able to see him. But he was absolutely gone off

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the face of the earth. Was he abducted by aliens?

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Did a big foot come and take him? Did he

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walk through a portal and just disappear. I'm just throwing

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these ideas out here because we have to as researchers.

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We have to look at every single possibility. When you

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have searchers doing methodical grid searcher searching, you have to

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stop and think about every area that they're covering, and

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yet nothing is coming up. So absolutely let me know

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in the comments what you think of this case. I

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love it when you guys leave comments letting me know

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your opinions on them and where you think or what

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you think may have happened to Alviweb. It's a terrible,

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terrible case. It's always heartbreaking. I mean, he's the sweet

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He just looks like the sweetest man. And I mean

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the same with Tom Messic Senior. They just like the

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sweetest elderly men. You just want to help them, and

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they're missing and they've yet to be found. So let

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us know in the comments below what you think may

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have happened to I'll be Web. I would be interested

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to see and until the next one, thank you for coming.

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Speaker 3: You don't gotta go home, but.

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