Speaker 1: Welcome to Missing Persons case files A place where they gone?
Are not the forgotten? What's happening in the forest of
North America? How are so many people disappearing only to
have the remains found much later, or in many cases
not at all. Are the predators to blame giant hair
covered beasts or even more terrifying us as humans? Maybe
it's both, Maybe it's neither. These are just a few
of the questions we'll look to uncover here on the
Missing person's case files.
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Alviwebb disappeared October nineteenth of twenty nineteen and the San
Juan National Forest, Colorado. ALVIWB eighty six of Muldro, Oklahoma,
was on an elk cunning trimp and the Colorado Wilderness
and the Divide Road Roaring Fork area of the San
Juan National Forest. On the morning of October nineteenth of
twenty nineteen, Alvi, a former principal and teacher, was with
his son, grandson, and others. They had camped near Road
five sixty four A. They had been elk hunting in
that location for the previous five years and knew the
area well. On October nineteenth, the family took Alvi one
hundred yards down a trail and he was left alone
to hunt in a location close to the camp, near
a meadow where he had hunted the previous year. They
told him, now we're going to pick you up at
the bottom of the hill on the road at around
ten o'clock. The unnamed trail meets the Roaring Fork Road
Forest Road four thirty five after about two miles. The
area is rugged and mountainous, west of the Colorado Trail
four miles south. When the hunting party members checked on
Alvi several hours later, they could not find him. There
was no sign whatsoever of him or his belongings. The
hunter searched the area where he was meant to be,
but came up with nothing. At four pm, they contacted
the authorities to report him missing. A larger search mission
was started at around five. Alvi was last seen wearing
an arnge stocking cap, an orange hunter vest over a
heavy camouflage jacket. He had a few food bars and water,
but no overnightgear. Montezuma County Sheriff Steve Nolan said the
county Search and Rescue Team, deputies and a Canine Search
and Rescue team and friends and family of Webb conducted
an on the ground search of the area, but nothing
was found. Sheriff Nolan said, we have looked all over
and searched a large area thirty yards at a time,
but there was no sign of him, no clues. We
had people thirty feet apart and that's mostly open aspen
meadows in that area. We cross covered areas we had
already been over. We should have found him, but there
was no sign of him anywhere. It's frustrating. Nobody is
finding anything. A Colorado National Guard black Hawk helicopter, Flight
for Life helicopter and Messa Verday Civil Air Patrol plane
also searched the heavily wooded area from the air. The
search included Montezuma County Search and Rescue, Montezuma County Sheriff deputies,
and canine Search and Rescue drones went up at night
with infrared, but no heat signatures could be detected. Abby
had a cell phone, but it was turned off or
the battery ran down. On Friday, October eighteenth, the authorities
attempted to pick up a signal, but with no luck.
On Monday twenty five, researchers were searching the area in
a grid pattern, and at about nine or nine thirty am,
someone said they thought they heard a muffled gunshot, but
there were no signs of animals in the area or
animals that had been killed. The official search was called off,
but family and friends continued to search the area for
some time after, but with no result. Albi has some
trouble walking given his age, and was not expected to
hike a long distance, so the authorities were puzzled as
to why he could not be located after an intense
search in the vicinity of the trail. Friends and family
members said he did not have any disabilities and that
he was very until he alert Sheriff Nolan said he
didn't think Webb would have walked very far. The altitude
at that location is about ninety five hundred feet, and
he said Webb had only been there a couple of
days before going hunting and had not had time to
acclimate to the thinner air. He said there had also
been a dusting of snow in that area Sunday morning,
a strong winter storm moved into Colorado after Alvi's disappearance,
resulting in a large temperature swing dropping temperatures to the
twenty degree mark or lower. Alvi Webb's story has striking
similarities to other hunters who have mysteriously vanished in the wilderness.
Did he fall off a cliff or did he just
wander off somewhere into the wilderness despite his age and
difficulty walking. Was he accidentally shot by other hunters and
had been taken away, or did something strange happen. At
the time of writing this story, there is still no
sign of Alvi Webb and the Colorado Wilderness. This story
sounds so similar to the one we just did. I
say we just did, but it had. It's been a
little bit of Tom Messix senior. So the similarities between
Alvi Webb and Tom Messex Senior are it's mind boggling
to me because I mean, like it's a coincidence or
it's not. So listen to these similarities and let me
know what you think. So Alvi was eighty six and
Tom was eighty two, so they're both in their eighties.
Tom went missing November fifteenth of twenty fifteen. Alvi went
missing October nineteenth of twenty nineteen, so almost a year
to the day. Four years later, Alvi goes missing. Now, granted,
Tom goes missing in New York and Alvi goes missing
into Colorado, so there's no similarities there. They both had
trouble getting around because of their age, of course, but
they're both mentally alert. Tom had been a hunter for
fifty five years. The only difference here is the place
where Tom went missing. It was a new area. The
place that Alvi went missing. He had been there the
year prior and it was a well known area. Let's see,
they both left. They were both left to hunt by
family and discovered missing the same way. So Tom's family
left him in the woods sitting on a log and
was going to push deer to him so he could
shoot them. When they came back, Tom was gone and
was never found. Alvi was left at the end of
this trail and his family said we're going to come
back and get you at ten o'clock and we'll go
to camp. He was never found. They had both had
a methodical grid search done for them, Like there's no
way that you can have this expansive meadow aspen meadow,
and you have people thirty feet apart and they're searching
thirty yards at one time and not find a thing
that makes no sense whatsoever. I totally get Sheriff Nolan's
frustration here. They, as I said, they were both lifelong hunters.
They both had on clothing that you should have clearly,
clearly been able to see Alvi. If you look at
the pictures, he was decked out in the brightest orange
hat and jacket like he was glowing. Okay, he would
have been found. There shouldn't have been any issue with
finding Alvi whatsoever based off of the clothes that he
had on. And the same way with Tom. They both
knew their way around the woods. They in their eighties.
They're gonna know to stay put. If they get lost,
they're gonna leave some kind of markers. They absolutely just disappeared.
They both had belongings with them. So Tom had his
rifle and he had a walkie talkie. Alvi had his food,
his water, and he has the and no doubt he
had a rifle.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more paranormal odyssey.
Speaker 2: All of it's gone. None of it anywhere has been found.
None of it. They haven't been found, and their belongings
haven't been found. So you would assume assume that in
these cases, if the person is not found. At least
their items are found, but neither had any of their
items found to this day. They both had sources of
communication on them, as I said, Tom had a walkie
talkie and Alvi had his cell phone. Now granted, in
the article, it said that Alvi's cell phone was either
turned off or his battery had died, but either way,
they both had a source of communication that if need be,
they could have called somebody for help if they had
gotten lost. They both had the same meetup times and
that's so ironic to me because Alvi's families said, Okay,
we're gonna leave you here to hunt and we're gonna
meet back up at ten am, and Tom's family said, okay,
we're gonna leave you here to hunt and we'll come
back at ten am. It is there's so it's just
so weird to me how they're so similar. They both
had and it happens in every single missing person case
and it's so frustrating. So when Tom's search party started,
that one's a little ironic or weird. I wouldn't say ironic,
but weird. So if you haven't heard that, we go
back and listen to that one, because there was a
lot of people looking for him, like really quick, like
the FBI and everybody. Albeit that wasn't the case. But
the weather, the weather, you guys, sucked in both cases.
So alb his weather went from just being like cold
to having a light dusting of snow that Sunday. He
went missing this Saturday, and then Monday this humongous winter storm.
So anything on the ground that the dog, these dogs
could have picked up the days following, they're not going
to be able to. Tom had a enormous amount of
rain come down when they were searching for him, so
obviously all of that is going to wash his scent away.
And it is just these two cases. I don't understand
how one person. And granted I don't get me wrong,
I completely understand the vastness of these forests and the woods,
and I mean I get it, I do. But Albi
was eighty six, He had trouble getting around, he was
mentally alert, There was no mental disabilities, there was no dementia,
there was no Alzheimer's, nothing, and his family wouldn't have
left him alone if they ever dreamed that he would
be gone. It is the classic case of here one minute,
gone the next and it's the same with Tom's case.
But getting back to what I was saying, I just
I don't understand how one person can just disappear within
like a very short time and nobody can find them.
There's no trace of them, there's no trace of their belongings.
They have had hundreds of people look for them in
the area that they should have been. In Albe's case,
the sea level being a ninety five hundred feet, you
do have to have time to acclimate to that because
you do get altitude sickness. Maybe that was the case.
Maybe he had altitude sickness, Maybe he got delirious. I
don't know. I mean, I am really taking a stab
in the dark here because I'm trying to make sense
of this and I don't know if you can make
sense of a senseless situation at all. So he said,
I don't think he's gonna, you know, wander off too
far because of the altitude and he hasn't had time
to acclimate to that yet. I just I don't really understand.
But if you have an opinion on this case or
the time Messic Senior case, absolutely leave it in the comments,
because when we do the research and we come up
with pretty much nothing. After we scrape the bottom of
the barrel, there's no answers. There's still no answers. This
was seven years ago, and with Tom, I mean you're
looking at almost ten years ago and nothing of these
men have been found. Nothing. It's like they completely vanished
off the face of the earth. Now Tom's case, there
was a weird sound in the woods that sounded like metal.
The only thing in Alvi's case was that it sounded
like a shotgun went off around nine or nine thirty.
But if a hunter is in trouble, they shoot the
gun three times. This was only one shot. So I
met an absolute loss as to what could have happened.
I mean, people are gonna say, you know, he wandered off,
he fell, he fell into a crevass. They weren't able
to see him. I am telling you the clothes that
Alvi Webb had on, people from China should have been
able to see him. But he was absolutely gone off
the face of the earth. Was he abducted by aliens?
Did a big foot come and take him? Did he
walk through a portal and just disappear. I'm just throwing
these ideas out here because we have to as researchers.
We have to look at every single possibility. When you
have searchers doing methodical grid searcher searching, you have to
stop and think about every area that they're covering, and
yet nothing is coming up. So absolutely let me know
in the comments what you think of this case. I
love it when you guys leave comments letting me know
your opinions on them and where you think or what
you think may have happened to Alviweb. It's a terrible,
terrible case. It's always heartbreaking. I mean, he's the sweet
He just looks like the sweetest man. And I mean
the same with Tom Messic Senior. They just like the
sweetest elderly men. You just want to help them, and
they're missing and they've yet to be found. So let
us know in the comments below what you think may
have happened to I'll be Web. I would be interested
to see and until the next one, thank you for coming.
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