1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Wow, I love this topic. 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: Exactly what we've been waiting for is let's talk about 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:11,439 the severity color scale that is introduced in n FPA 4 00:00:11,599 --> 00:00:15,599 seventy B, as well as meeting the NITA standards when 5 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,480 it comes to understanding thermal temperatures and how they're used 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:24,039 in electrical thermography. Maybe you're new to it, well, sit back, 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,760 we're gonna get into that today. Here on this episode 8 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,039 of Master the NEEC. 9 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: We're gonna learn a little bit more. 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 2: About what the severity scale means and how it should 11 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:33,399 be applied. 12 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Master of the ANEC podcast, the ultimate 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:42,399 destination for anyone passionate about the electrical trade. 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What Up? 30 00:01:39,879 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: Everybody? 31 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:43,799 Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Master the NEC the podcast 32 00:01:43,879 --> 00:01:47,439 where I Paul Abernad They talk about anything electrical electrical 33 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:51,280 related and of course anything to do with the electrical 34 00:01:51,319 --> 00:01:54,200 industry will talk about on this show. Whether it's business, 35 00:01:54,519 --> 00:01:58,760 whether it's marketing, whether it's a CHR promotion advancement, whether 36 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:01,799 you're thinking of starting electric contracting business. Maybe you have 37 00:02:01,799 --> 00:02:04,879 electrical code questions. Look, we're fair game for any of that, 38 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:07,439 so feel free to reach out to us. You can 39 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,560 always send something in for us to be able to 40 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:15,039 to answer on this episode. 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The way we help a lot 54 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,560 of people out. So this episode, I want to talk 55 00:02:53,719 --> 00:02:56,000 a little bit. It's a topic that I love because 56 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,439 I've been working on this for many, many years in 57 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,319 the field, and I had it back when the thermal 58 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:06,919 imaging cameras were pretty expensive and we would rent it 59 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:11,080 when we needed it. Now you can own them, and 60 00:03:11,159 --> 00:03:15,800 I own many, all different levels for different uses, and 61 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,479 they have their different uses that I use them for. 62 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:24,080 But again, we recently partnered with Miles so we have 63 00:03:24,479 --> 00:03:27,240 upgraded a lot of our cameras to the Mile SA 64 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,080 and I am extremely impressed with their technology. 65 00:03:31,439 --> 00:03:33,439 Speaker 1: Not to mention, Mile c is known in. 66 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,919 Speaker 2: Their golf optics for the range finders, They're known for 67 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:42,400 measurement devices, hunting devices, that thermal imaging, night vision type. 68 00:03:42,479 --> 00:03:44,639 Speaker 1: I mean, they're known for so many things. 69 00:03:44,719 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: I mean have literally hundreds of patents and so it's 70 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,520 exciting to partner with a company like that. In fact, 71 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:53,360 I'm going to be hooking up with them in Florida 72 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:58,120 later on the month of January at the PGA show. 73 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,199 So I'll be in Florida and we'll be talking. I'll 74 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,120 be meeting their CEO, and so anyway, it's exciting times 75 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:08,520 to be involved. But one of the big things I 76 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,560 guess is it was a couple of years ago now 77 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,400 and it's kind of slowly syncing in to a lot 78 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:21,879 of maintenance programs, prevented maintenance. A lot of inspection companies 79 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,639 are now requiring this as part of an annual or 80 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,000 biannual or even a monthly inspection, and they're starting to 81 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,160 incorporate these things in there. So, you know, you could 82 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:33,839 be an electrician that just you know, maybe you just 83 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,639 do residential and you really aren't even aware of what 84 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,160 NFPA seventy B is. But I'm telling you that understanding 85 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,920 the concepts of being able to use thermal imaging to 86 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,839 find problems that are not going to rear their head 87 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,079 until something gets through this volatile level that things start 88 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,319 to break down and then it starts cascading into a 89 00:04:53,319 --> 00:04:57,000 bigger problem. And again, if you're an electrician. There is 90 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,240 a way for you to introduce thermal imaging in to 91 00:05:00,519 --> 00:05:04,160 every aspect of your business, whether it's adding additional service 92 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,040 as a residential electrician, whether you're doing a final inspection 93 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,240 on all terminations and motors and an industrial facility data centers, 94 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,000 there is an opportunity to incorporate preventative maintenance using a 95 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:21,519 thermal imaging camera. In fact, so important that NFPA seventy 96 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:24,199 B now makes it mandatory to have a thermal imaging 97 00:05:24,199 --> 00:05:28,480 program because these devices work and you just I think 98 00:05:28,519 --> 00:05:32,040 the biggest thing is people don't understand how to use them. 99 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,240 That's the biggest problem that we run into. And so 100 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,000 my goal is to educate more people on understanding thermal 101 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:44,879 imaging beyond the basics. And you know, thermal imaging is 102 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,439 typically broken into you have a level one, level two, 103 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,680 level three e thermography, and the scale changes depending on 104 00:05:50,759 --> 00:05:52,480 what aspect of work you're looking to do. 105 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,879 Speaker 1: We only focus on electrical, so our. 106 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,399 Speaker 2: Program is equal to or greater than the level one 107 00:05:58,439 --> 00:06:03,759 thermography because that's really only We only capture the aspect 108 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,720 of electrical that is it, and then what we do 109 00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:10,240 is we deep dive on it. Whereas others will give 110 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,240 you some examples, we deep dive on it because we 111 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,560 don't care about the building envelope. I don't care about 112 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,120 the water leakage. 113 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:19,639 Speaker 1: I don't care. That's for somebody else. 114 00:06:20,079 --> 00:06:22,319 Speaker 2: Now, if you want to add that into your portfolio, 115 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,800 then go get our Basic Thermography course over on our website. 116 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 1: It's not about like sixty nine bucks. 117 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 2: Get that and you can learn all those I mean, 118 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,360 there's a tone of information there, but that's not our goal. 119 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,759 When it comes to the Certified Thermal Electrician program. We're 120 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:43,160 taking electricians that are already licensed. Criteria very high and 121 00:06:43,199 --> 00:06:46,120 they've met that threshold and now we're trying to introduce 122 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,639 them into how to understanding thermography properly. 123 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,879 Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm excited what our program can bring. 124 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: Now today's episode, we really want to we want to 125 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,439 focus on the Severity scale. This scale is something that 126 00:07:01,519 --> 00:07:06,439 harmonizes with NFPA seventy B as well as harmonizing with 127 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:12,120 NITA and making sure that it meets all that criteria 128 00:07:12,319 --> 00:07:15,279 in order to keep you compliant. 129 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: As a thermal electrician. 130 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: Okay, as an electrician, you have to understand ppe you 131 00:07:22,199 --> 00:07:25,319 have to understand your boundaries that you're working in. You 132 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,879 have to understand the level of PPE that you have 133 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,399 to have. You also understand that there's certain things that 134 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:33,959 can reduce the level of PPE based on whether you 135 00:07:33,959 --> 00:07:36,360 have sit windows or the equipment is geared with it, 136 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:39,199 or you're making a recommendation. If they're early in the 137 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,079 process and they're doing switch gear, you might be that 138 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:45,759 guy or gal that says, look, get the gear with 139 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:49,519 the thermal imaging windows or the ability to check it 140 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:54,000 without removing the cover. It really reduces your exposure and 141 00:07:54,079 --> 00:07:59,199 drops the PPE down, so that in itself might save 142 00:07:59,279 --> 00:08:03,360 the company of money over paying for this extra feature 143 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:08,279 versus what's going to take to do a thermal preventative 144 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:12,040 maintenance routine that requires either a shut down, a lockout, tagout, 145 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:16,879 or gearing up the cost of gear when you do 146 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:21,000 a cost analysis on it, it's probably cheaper to be 147 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,920 in the forefront and be that person it recommends to 148 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,360 a project, Look, make sure your equipment comes with site windows, 149 00:08:29,439 --> 00:08:32,320 or make sure your equipment comes with the ability to 150 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:36,200 have a trough with an openable port that allows for 151 00:08:36,279 --> 00:08:39,559 thermal imaging. That it's designed into the equipment and many 152 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,200 of the manufacturers make this and it's available right now 153 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:47,320 because they know that NFPA seventy B is a mandatory requirement. 154 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:52,720 Now it's not optional, it's mandatory, so they're accommodating that, 155 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:54,759 and it's something that you want to be on the 156 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,559 forefront of that and make those types of recommendations. But 157 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,960 it's important that you understand severity scale, especially if you're 158 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,120 doing reports, because you want to be able to convey 159 00:09:05,159 --> 00:09:07,080 the message properly. And that's kind of what we're going 160 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,000 to talk about today. Now, why does the severity scale matter? 161 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,159 So NFPA seventy B doesn't just want you to take 162 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,639 a bunch of pictures, whether they're visual pictures in the 163 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,320 normal visual spectrum or the thermography pictures in the thermal 164 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:23,360 ir spectrum. 165 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: They don't want you just to take pictures. 166 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:28,519 Speaker 2: Pictures are great, but they don't understand always sees a 167 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,840 bunch of colors, depending on what palette you're using. You 168 00:09:30,919 --> 00:09:33,399 need to understand when one palette may be better over 169 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,440 the other, whether rainbow may be better than iron. Okay, 170 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:40,759 so you need to understand whether it's blue heat, green heat, 171 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:44,080 red hot, whether or not it you need whether it's 172 00:09:44,159 --> 00:09:46,799 white hot or black hot. You need to understand which 173 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:49,240 may be the best one for your situation. And the 174 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,720 only way you know this is to get very familiar 175 00:09:52,759 --> 00:09:56,679 with your thermal camera. And there's many, many, many manufacturers 176 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,679 out there, and so again it it really takes you 177 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,000 to practice, and you don't have to find abnormal conditions 178 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:08,120 to practice. Trust me, you can use the regular heat. 179 00:10:08,159 --> 00:10:10,759 The heat's going to be there. It's going to be there. 180 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:13,879 So there are many ways that you can practice and 181 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,399 get familiar with it, whether you're using your normal electrical 182 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,960 panel one twenty two forty or a two seventy seven 183 00:10:20,039 --> 00:10:24,720 forty eighty or whatever. Again, just practice safe practices and 184 00:10:24,919 --> 00:10:28,720 understand ppe were necessary, know your boundaries. 185 00:10:29,399 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: You'll be okay, but you got to practice. You have 186 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,480 to understand it. Okay, all right. 187 00:10:34,919 --> 00:10:39,759 Speaker 2: So many people say okay, well n FPA seventy B 188 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:42,039 or the principles behind that, which, by the way, you 189 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,639 might say, well, I'm a thermographer, I'm doing residential whatnot. 190 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,799 And you miss something and somebody comes in and determines 191 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:51,320 in a fire that you recently had an inspection or 192 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,440 you had something. And as more and more people introduce 193 00:10:55,519 --> 00:10:58,080 thermography into the program or they learned that the electrician 194 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,879 their head thermography training or what not. It can raise 195 00:11:01,919 --> 00:11:05,080 your liability if you don't do your due diligence. Okay, 196 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,279 so it doesn't. If you don't have it in your program, 197 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,279 then you can't use it. So therefore you're not expected to. 198 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:17,039 But in many residential light commercial, commercial programs, and you know, 199 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,360 whether you're in industrial motors, whether you have some type 200 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,480 of preventive maintenance or you're offering as an ancillary service 201 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:27,399 to evaluate their equipment, you're the expert. 202 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: You're the trained professional. 203 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: NFPA seventy b's guidelines really talk about the ability to 204 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,200 not just take a picture. You have to be able 205 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,279 to interpret what you see. You need to then transfer 206 00:11:41,399 --> 00:11:44,440 that into a classification. And we break that down in 207 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,639 our thermal imaging programs so that it's not just numbers. 208 00:11:48,039 --> 00:11:51,159 Speaker 1: It's a color scale of action. That's important. 209 00:11:51,919 --> 00:11:53,879 Speaker 2: We try to keep it simple, stupid and break it 210 00:11:53,879 --> 00:11:57,360 down to a really actionable color scheme and it's based 211 00:11:57,399 --> 00:12:01,639 on temperature variations that are compliant with the NFPA seventy 212 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,600 B and any need a standard. 213 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: Okay, now you. 214 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 2: Have to interpret that image, you have to classify that image, 215 00:12:09,279 --> 00:12:11,799 and then you have to give some type of corrective 216 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,679 action based on what you see. Otherwise, any old Joe 217 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,200 Schmoke can snap a picture and look at colors and 218 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,679 go wooh, that's pretty right. 219 00:12:21,399 --> 00:12:22,159 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 220 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: Well, in other words, you don't just say, man, that 221 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:34,399 looks hot, okay. You would say this is how abnormal 222 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:37,480 it is, or this is how urgent it is, or 223 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,519 this is what we should do next. Those type of 224 00:12:42,039 --> 00:12:47,000 solutions to a problem, okay. And that is so important today. 225 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,639 I tell you, I get sent images all the time 226 00:12:50,519 --> 00:12:52,240 and I look at them and I go, you know what. 227 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,559 The first question is that there's a preventative maintenance program 228 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,960 in there, and they inevitably always say no. And then 229 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,320 I go, well, this could have been detected by the 230 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:04,960 level of damage that I'm looking at in the progression 231 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,879 of heat here. This could have been picked up if 232 00:13:07,879 --> 00:13:10,679 it was on a monitor's cat And look, it's cheaper 233 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,200 to monitor it than it is to have to repair 234 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,960 it once it breaks down. You got the downtime, you 235 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,360 have the equipment time, you have the potential hazards that 236 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:24,720 it raises, potential fire. This is why NFPA seventy B 237 00:13:24,879 --> 00:13:28,159 is no longer voluntary it's a mandatory standard. This is 238 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:32,159 why it changed. Okay, This is why insurance companies want 239 00:13:32,159 --> 00:13:36,600 thermography done. This is why a lot of business owners 240 00:13:36,639 --> 00:13:39,639 who have a lot of money invested in their infrastructure 241 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:44,120 like data centers and industrial facilities, they want to establish 242 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:46,320 this for their maintenance team. And they want to know 243 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,200 that you're ahead of the curve if you see something 244 00:13:49,279 --> 00:13:52,720 coming and you're tracking it, you're logging it, you're plotting it. 245 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:55,919 We want to know when it's time to be ready 246 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,639 then to react. We want to be proactive rather than reactive. 247 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:01,320 That's just that's the way the world is right now, 248 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:02,720 and it's the way it should be. 249 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: Now. 250 00:14:04,519 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 2: When you look at the severity scale we hear at 251 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:12,200 the CTE programs Certified Thermal Electrician program put our program 252 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,960 around a framework that complies with NFPA seventy B and 253 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,159 the NIEDA standards. 254 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:21,039 Speaker 1: Okay, And what we've. 255 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: Done is we've created a baseline, a color profile, and 256 00:14:26,519 --> 00:14:29,480 what it does is it establishes your delta t or 257 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,679 your temperature rise. And I'll explain what that is in 258 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,039 a minute. To the severity in color structure, what it 259 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,679 means by color structure, and then what you should do 260 00:14:39,919 --> 00:14:42,960 or what your action should be, because again, as with anything, 261 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,480 you can be part of the problem, but you really 262 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:47,159 should be. 263 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: An integral part of the solution. 264 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 2: Right, So when you look at a severity scale and 265 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:54,679 you try to create one, and again they may vary 266 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,360 by different company, but again we base ours based on 267 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,919 the standards to be compliant because again we want to 268 00:15:00,919 --> 00:15:02,799 protect you at the end of the day, we want 269 00:15:02,799 --> 00:15:04,720 to make sure that you're well within the spectrum of 270 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:10,840 liability that type of thing or lack thereof of having 271 00:15:10,879 --> 00:15:11,639 any liability. 272 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:13,279 Speaker 1: So the key. 273 00:15:13,159 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: Measurement here when you're doing this is called the delta 274 00:15:16,759 --> 00:15:19,720 T or the delta symbol. It's a triangle with the T. 275 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:21,840 You'll see that from time to time. You'll see it 276 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,320 in our course, you'll see that out in the field. 277 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:28,080 You'll see that if you look at various reports, you'll wonder, 278 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,759 what the hell does that mean? What is that that 279 00:15:31,559 --> 00:15:34,960 triangle and a T? What the hell does that mean? Well, basically, 280 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,759 it's the difference between what you're measuring and what you're 281 00:15:38,799 --> 00:15:42,679 actually referencing. Now, that could be the difference between whether 282 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,159 you're taking an ambient temperature and then you're taking that 283 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,559 temperature and measuring a lug and seeing the difference of temperature, 284 00:15:49,759 --> 00:15:53,320 or you're doing what we call peer to peer evaluations 285 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:59,639 where you're taking the measurement from say lugs of let's 286 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:02,399 say phase A B and a C in a three phase. 287 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:05,159 You take an A and B okay, and you're adding 288 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,879 them together and averaging it by two, and then you're 289 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:12,360 comparing it to the C lug, which may be greater 290 00:16:12,519 --> 00:16:14,960 or a lot higher. And so you take the two 291 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,679 that are closer together and you create that peer to 292 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:21,480 peer and then you evaluate it with whatever the reading 293 00:16:21,559 --> 00:16:23,840 is that you're getting off the actual lug that's elevated, 294 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:25,960 and you're gonna come up with a value that's the 295 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:31,519 delta t okay. So and again we get deeper into 296 00:16:31,519 --> 00:16:34,279 this in our course, but that's what you're looking for. 297 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,519 Speaker 1: You're really looking for the measurement. 298 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,919 Speaker 2: Of the differences of temperatures, Okay, whether it's from the 299 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:46,039 ambient to whatever. The references you're measuring to the similar 300 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:50,519 component that may be running under the same similar load 301 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,480 but doesn't have the same thermal profile. Because you're like, well, 302 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,399 why the hell is this one running hotter than this one? 303 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,000 It's the same load. Maybe it's a motor. It's supposed 304 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,240 to be balanced. You have three phases. Why is this 305 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,759 leg running so much hotter? Something's going on because Leg 306 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:07,359 A and leg B are fine in leg C and 307 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,599 it's a three phase motor. Understanding the concepts of the motor. 308 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,400 You think something's not right. Is a winding going bad? 309 00:17:13,519 --> 00:17:18,759 Is there a loose termination? Other words, something ain't right. Okay, 310 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,599 So you'll get better at that. We don't expect you 311 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,359 to to all of a sudden, just pick up a 312 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,160 thermal imaging camera and understand that concept. Although that one's 313 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:29,400 a pretty easy example, sometimes they can be a little 314 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,200 more detailed. Because some breakers run hotter than others. So 315 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,559 you see a hot breaker, you just don't go crying wolf. 316 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,519 You gotta understand what's the temperature that breaker is expected 317 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:43,039 to run at and what is acceptable from the manufacturer's 318 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,359 perspective for that breaker to be. Yeah, it may seem hot, 319 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,079 but if the manufacturers okay with it at a certain temperature, 320 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:52,759 what's the point in crying wolf? You know what I'm saying. 321 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,559 So anyway, that's the concept. Now what we teach in 322 00:17:57,599 --> 00:18:00,519 the program. This matches the NFPA seventy be in the 323 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:06,119 NITA thermal findings to be evaluated by temperature difference, not 324 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,079 just by raw temperature alone. 325 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: We're looking for these differences. 326 00:18:10,519 --> 00:18:13,759 Speaker 2: That's your delta t Now, as I told you, they're 327 00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:16,759 broken down into we break it down into four for 328 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,119 easy understanding. You have a green, a yellow, an orange, 329 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:22,440 and a red. 330 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: Okay. 331 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 2: So the green, now, the green is normal. That means 332 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,440 if you're doing a delta tea and you see a 333 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:37,319 variance between one degree up to ten degrees above the reference, Okay, 334 00:18:37,839 --> 00:18:41,160 then what happens is that's a normal This is a 335 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:45,000 normal operating variation. Nothing is wrong, but you document it. 336 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,799 You take the pictures, both visual and thermal, okay, and 337 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,680 you put it on the normal monitored schedule. Means you're 338 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,759 going to be doing this again, whether it's every month, 339 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,160 whether it's every six months, whether it's every three months, 340 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:02,759 whatever the plan is that you've established in your facility. 341 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: Okay. 342 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 2: Now, NFPA seventy B will consider this an acceptable operating condition. 343 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:13,000 From one to ten grees above the reference not a problem. 344 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:14,319 Speaker 1: Okay. 345 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,279 Speaker 2: Now the next one is yellow. Yellow is a possible problem. 346 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,279 It's a probable concern. Certainly, is something that needs to 347 00:19:23,319 --> 00:19:29,480 be monitored. Something's developing here. Okay, so we're now outside 348 00:19:29,599 --> 00:19:33,240 of that normal realm. Now this is an emergency, but 349 00:19:33,319 --> 00:19:37,559 it's in the developing condition. So in this scenario, in 350 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:40,240 a PA seventy B, expect this to be documented as 351 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:43,319 such and scheduled for maintenance. 352 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,039 Speaker 1: Because there's some reason it's elevated. 353 00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:51,039 Speaker 2: Does it make it that it's immediate, but you know 354 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,240 what it's developing. It needs to be monitored and during 355 00:19:54,279 --> 00:19:58,960 the next scheduled maintenance, this is when you're going to 356 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:03,480 actually check everything, check terminations, check all those type of things. 357 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,119 So it's something to be aware of, it's something to document. 358 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,519 But this is where a really really good maintenance program 359 00:20:11,559 --> 00:20:15,079 can prevent really expensive failures by saying this is going 360 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,200 on the list, and you have a report, and in 361 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:20,680 the report you'll have a column where you'll check it, 362 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,119 and this says that this is one of the first 363 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,880 things that needs to be evaluated on the next thermal 364 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:33,799 imaging session, and you make sure that you record the characteristics, 365 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,519 what the ambient temperature is at the time of this test, okay, 366 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:42,039 what the loading is again, and if you figure this 367 00:20:42,039 --> 00:20:44,039 this is a good time to understand that you're going 368 00:20:44,079 --> 00:20:46,960 to have to use a digital multi meter or take readings. 369 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,319 That's why you have to understand your ppe. You have 370 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:52,519 to understand all the parameters just like you would if 371 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:55,200 you were working on a piece of equipment. Nothing's changed here, 372 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,000 You're still working in that environment. 373 00:20:57,519 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: Okay. 374 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 2: So in a lot of the data centers and a 375 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,079 lot of the big commercials, they have logging which will 376 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,480 tell you what the loading is, and you know there's 377 00:21:06,519 --> 00:21:10,079 just take as much notes as you can for the 378 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,200 next thermal session, but definitely want to make sure it's 379 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,640 on your normal maintenance schedule. 380 00:21:14,759 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: Okay. 381 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 2: Now the next one is orange. Now orange is a 382 00:21:19,319 --> 00:21:20,359 probable problem. 383 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: Okay, so if. 384 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 2: You've got plus twenty one to plus forty degrees fahrenheit 385 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,359 at this point, the problem is no longer theoretical. It's 386 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,480 not a situation where it is a yellow. 387 00:21:32,519 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: It's a possible concern. 388 00:21:34,759 --> 00:21:40,759 Speaker 2: This is a probable problem because it's it's possibly. Remember 389 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:45,559 we're evaluating these things based on other references, Okay, whether 390 00:21:45,599 --> 00:21:48,359 it's peer to peer, based on other mutual lugs that 391 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:51,400 are running similar loads that are not overheating versus this one. 392 00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:55,359 Also comparing it possibly to an ambient temperature, to what 393 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,960 the ambient temperature is and what this is running. So 394 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,079 we're taking all those things into considering ration right now, 395 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,519 the best thing is to be able to compare it 396 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:06,880 to other similar loads. Okay, that's the best type of 397 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,440 period PEROD to do. But the point is here is 398 00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:13,400 is that we're looking at it as this is a 399 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,279 real abnormal heating and it is a probability of failure 400 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:22,519 is increasing rapidly. Now here's what's interesting when you're doing 401 00:22:22,519 --> 00:22:24,640 a report and we explain this in our program that 402 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:27,680 it's twenty one A plus twenty one to plus forty. 403 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,839 Speaker 1: If I get readings out of thirty eight and thirty. 404 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: Nine, it's still in the orange, but I'm going to 405 00:22:33,039 --> 00:22:36,079 make a note that it is rapidly approaching the red 406 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,640 and then it must be monitored. But it definitely has 407 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,920 to be on the repair schedule sooner than later. So 408 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,000 that means you would go look at when the next 409 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,519 scheduled maintenance is and it may warrant this piece of 410 00:22:48,519 --> 00:22:51,279 equipment being bumped up in the schedule because a lot 411 00:22:51,279 --> 00:22:54,880 of times there's there's scheduled maintenance. This may be one 412 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,440 that you're like, you know what, we're gonna bump this 413 00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:59,519 to the next one because it's immediate, but we're definitely 414 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:02,039 going to increase the monitoring. One of the things I 415 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,480 usually teach electricians in this scale when you get an 416 00:23:04,519 --> 00:23:07,920 orange that if your schedule the maintenance or the monitoring 417 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:13,119 is every thirty days or every three months or six months, 418 00:23:13,519 --> 00:23:16,599 this becomes one that you want to look at at 419 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:22,400 least on a weekly basis. Okay, at least on a 420 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:24,720 weekly basis to start monitoring this now, it makes it 421 00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:27,119 much easier if you have a site window things like that. 422 00:23:27,839 --> 00:23:30,559 But again everything's a little different, and again this is 423 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:32,960 applying across a broad spectrum, so we're not talking about 424 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:37,279 just panels, just buses, just lugs. We're talking about motors 425 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:39,200 and all that kind of stuff, which we do cover 426 00:23:39,279 --> 00:23:40,519 extensively in our program. 427 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,319 Speaker 1: By the way, if you're wondering. 428 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 2: Austin mentioned also that anytime you're in our program and 429 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,880 you have questions about something, we have what's called fast 430 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:51,519 Tracks Interact. It's engaged on this product as well, which 431 00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:53,440 means that you're right in there at the bottom right 432 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,519 of your lesson, you'll see this little looks like a 433 00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:59,960 blue cloud. You click on it, and you put your 434 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,440 question in there. Okay, and when your questions in there, 435 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:06,759 that allows our team to be notified and we will 436 00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:09,200 come and try to answer that question for you. Okay, 437 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,319 it's just a built in feature for those that are 438 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:13,039 in the program. 439 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: You can do it in the comments now. 440 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 2: But again we're probably slower to reacted to the comments 441 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,680 because those are comments about the course, not really about 442 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:23,799 in the course. But we'll still answer the questions because again, 443 00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:25,799 at the end of the day, we want you to learn. 444 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,759 I mean, that's the whole process here now with the 445 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,640 orange level again probable problem repair soon. This is where 446 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,720 electricians will earn their money because this is where we're 447 00:24:36,759 --> 00:24:42,200 at that threshold of a serious issue developing and I 448 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,519 lose absolutely no sleep. I don't feel like I'd be 449 00:24:45,599 --> 00:24:49,200 crying wolf at all when I'm in this zone and 450 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,279 it's moving up rapidly in this zone and it's getting 451 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:55,839 close to the red. This is where you earn your 452 00:24:55,839 --> 00:24:58,440 money because this is where even if they go into 453 00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:01,039 and look at it and don't see any problem, you 454 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:04,480 can at least breathe a sigh of relief. Okay, Well, 455 00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:09,400 the images show differently, and as long as you take pictures, 456 00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:11,920 as long as you show them they could say, well 457 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,880 would you do you cried wolf. No, Look, this is 458 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,079 based on the normal standards, need standards. I'd rather be 459 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:25,160 prepared and be proactive than reactive. Okay, and that's a 460 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:29,799 really good maintenance program that does that. Now, the next 461 00:25:29,799 --> 00:25:33,799 one is anything over forty degrees fahrenheit. This is no 462 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,839 longer maintenance. This is a real risk management call. At 463 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,480 this level, n FPA seventy B requires that the condition 464 00:25:40,599 --> 00:25:43,559 be treated as serious and immediate action is required. There's 465 00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:46,519 a fire risk, there's an equipment failure risk. There's an 466 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,920 unplanned There's one thing to have a planned down time, 467 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:54,440 especially in data centers and commercial buildings or buildings that 468 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,000 have a lot of motors, production facilities, big car facilities, 469 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,480 manufacturing plants with assembly line. There's one thing to schedule 470 00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:06,160 downtime for maintenance. There's another to have an unplanned downtime 471 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,279 and equipment blow up and then it takes three times 472 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:11,960 as long to get it back up. Trusts me, they're 473 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:14,640 not going to have a problem with you scheduling something 474 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,839 as a preventative maintenance program based on something you find 475 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:22,680 in a orange level of severity, versus waiting and saying 476 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:24,079 that I don't worry about it, and then all of 477 00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:26,079 a sudden it gets into the red and stuff starts 478 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:30,319 breaking down. Trust me, this is where you're stop watching 479 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,720 and you start fixing the problems. Okay, now, how all 480 00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:40,559 this meets NFPA seventy B. Well, NFPA seventy B requires 481 00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:46,359 that every thermal finding include some key information. So if 482 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,119 you're in a company and they want to reduce their liability, 483 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,519 it doesn't matter to be honest with you whether or 484 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:56,599 not they're in there doing something that NFPA seventy B 485 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,960 kicks in or not. If you're a company and you're 486 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,880 gonna be thermal imaging, you want to make sure that 487 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,640 you follow across the board the standard practices. Whether or 488 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,559 not you're working in something that's a Tesla facility or 489 00:27:08,599 --> 00:27:11,519 you're working in somebody's house. You want to make sure 490 00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:14,160 you keep it simple, stupid. You have a plan you 491 00:27:14,319 --> 00:27:18,960 follow regardless, and if you're going to do thermography, you 492 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:20,720 want to make sure that you still comply with the 493 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:23,880 NFPA seventy B because I can promise you if something 494 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,200 happens you need to hang your hat on something and 495 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:31,359 you're gonna say, look, I follow the practical Protocol of 496 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,279 seventy B. And you know I can't foresee stuff. I 497 00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:41,680 did my best to make a recommendation a classification based 498 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:46,079 on NFPA seventy B. That's it, and it gives you 499 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,720 something to hang your hand on. Just like I say 500 00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:50,480 about the National Electual Code, if you do it in 501 00:27:50,519 --> 00:27:54,319 compliance with the minimum safety standard. You don't go below 502 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,519 that standard just because somebody says it's okay, or somebody 503 00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:01,039 says that my jurisdiction doesn't enforce it. If you follow 504 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,519 the minimum safety standards, then you have something to hang 505 00:28:04,559 --> 00:28:07,839 your hat on, provided you installed it correctly. A great 506 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:11,240 example is Texas. You have a jurisdiction. They sit down 507 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,319 in Houston. They don't require certain things, right, Well, the 508 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,359 state of Texas requires you to be on the twenty 509 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,480 twenty three National Electrical Code. Well, in other areas of 510 00:28:20,519 --> 00:28:23,200 Texas they may be on the twenty twenty. Well that's 511 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,680 fine for local inspections and passing it. But let's assume 512 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,599 something happens. 513 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,079 Speaker 1: Now. 514 00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:32,079 Speaker 2: It's gonna go to TDLR Department of Labor and Regulation. 515 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,200 What's gonna happen now is they're gonna do an investigation. 516 00:28:35,319 --> 00:28:37,319 This has happened already down in Austin. 517 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: Okay. 518 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,319 Speaker 2: What they're gonna do is they're gonna say, I don't 519 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:45,000 care what your locality said. The state is what issues 520 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,960 your license, and the state is under the twenty twenty three. 521 00:28:50,319 --> 00:28:51,559 Speaker 1: So you're gonna follow the state. 522 00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 2: Now, you might appease the locality, but you're gonna follow 523 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,279 the state. You've heard me talk about this kind of 524 00:28:58,279 --> 00:29:02,759 stuff all the time. Do not think that you are 525 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,359 never liable for anything just because you follow somebody says 526 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,440 it's okay, or an inspector says, yeah, I'll let you 527 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,000 do that. If it's not complying with the minimum safety standard, 528 00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:15,920 you're hanging your butt out there. This goes the same way. 529 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,359 If you're going to do thermal imaging, you make sure 530 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,720 that across the board you follow the same procedures. And 531 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:23,880 that's what we talk about in our program. We want 532 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,680 to keep you doing great thermal We want to help 533 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,880 you find issues. It great value to your customers. But 534 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,559 you've got to follow the protocols. So what does an 535 00:29:32,559 --> 00:29:35,319 FPA seventy be require that you do in your findings? Well, 536 00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:37,799 you need to do measured temperature. You need to show 537 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,039 the reference comparison skin. That's your delta TA what you're 538 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:43,960 referencing things to. You need to make sure you add 539 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:48,319 a severity classification, and you need to give corrective action recommendation. Now, 540 00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,880 this severity scale provides all four of those in a 541 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:59,880 way that is consistent, defensible, easy to understand, and repeatable. Folks, 542 00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:04,079 across all electricians in your company and the facility. This 543 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,559 is what makes it compliant. There's no deviation. You can't 544 00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:09,759 have anybody like me gets up in a court as 545 00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:12,920 an expert witness and say well, why did you deviate 546 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,359 from the company policy or why did you go rogue? 547 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:19,640 When these are standard protocols. You say, I followed the 548 00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,160 NFPA seventy B. I followed these parameters. And this is 549 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,640 what our company as a whole trust me. It's about 550 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,839 protecting you. So a simple analogy that I can give 551 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,880 folks is kind of like you're in a vehicle and 552 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:38,759 you're driving down the road. Green means go, yellow means 553 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:44,119 proceed with caution. Orange would mean warning warning, And of 554 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,920 course we don't have that on our street lights, but 555 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,319 maybe we should, maybe we should have a green yellow. 556 00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:51,279 Then it turns orange to say, hey, bro, the light's 557 00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,039 getting ready to change in like a second, you can't 558 00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,240 make it, and then of course you got red stop immediately. 559 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: So your thermal camera basically shows the speed. 560 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 2: The severity scale tells you whether to drive safe or 561 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,839 you're about to crash. So anyway, thermal imaging doesn't just 562 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,559 find heat, folks. It tells a story. And as a 563 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:19,960 certified thermal electrician, you're translating that heat, that image that 564 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:24,200 palette that's available in your thermal imaging cameras that have 565 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:26,960 come down in affordability. I'm telling you right now, the 566 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,000 one that we recommend for your day in and day out, 567 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,640 your TR twenty pro that's available. You can go get 568 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,039 a discount on our website. You're not buying it through US. 569 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,640 I don't sell cameras anymore. We want to share you 570 00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,559 the link to get you additional ten percent off from 571 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:44,160 Miles whatever their sale is. We want you to throw 572 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,119 another ten percent on it. We want you to come 573 00:31:46,119 --> 00:31:49,279 out ahead. We'll give you that code. But at the 574 00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:53,559 end of the day, you need to understand that thermal 575 00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:55,880 imaging cameras have come down in price. These things are 576 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,920 like three hundred and ninety nine dollars now for a 577 00:31:58,359 --> 00:32:03,640 super very very high end thermal imaging camera. 578 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 1: No joke. 579 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,759 Speaker 2: TR twenty pro is a high end thermal imaging camera. 580 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,640 It is fifty hurtz. 581 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:12,079 Speaker 1: It will not have lag. 582 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,359 Speaker 2: It not only does the visual but also the infrared 583 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,160 spectrum pictures at the same time. 584 00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 1: It's a beast. 585 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 2: It's a beast so again and so affordable, So be 586 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,720 careful on those lower end ones. If you're going to 587 00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:29,839 do this professionally, again, you can get away with it. 588 00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:33,359 It gives you good enough, but this is your profession. 589 00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,240 There's a reason to move up a little bit higher 590 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,000 in class and take advantage of that ten percent off. 591 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,079 Speaker 1: Folks, I'm serious. Okay, Now, thanks for joining me today. 592 00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 2: I really wanted to make sure that we translated this 593 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,240 into clear actions for you as a safety professional as well. 594 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:54,319 You're an electrician, you care about these things. You learn 595 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,599 about seventy e you learn about electrical safety, You understand 596 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:03,119 electrician electricity kills. This is just another thing to add 597 00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:06,640 into your toolbox. And you know what, you can see 598 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,480 things with a thermal imaging camera that others can't see. 599 00:33:11,599 --> 00:33:15,000 But the differences you are going to learn how to 600 00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:19,519 be able to distinguish what you see and that's the difference. 601 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,119 We only focus on electrical thermography. Check it out, folks. 602 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,680 Until next time, stay safe, God bless we'll catch you 603 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,039 on another episode of Master the NEC podcast. 604 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,799 Speaker 1: Be sure to share it with other people. 605 00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 2: We are still getting about three hundred thousand unique downloads 606 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:36,839 a month, so it's staying pretty steady. We had a 607 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,799 little drop last month down I think it was two 608 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,039 hundred and sixty whatever. Again, this is across all of 609 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:46,359 our platforms because they're all in one and we share 610 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,599 them on Spotify, Spreaker, Deezer, iHeartRadio, Apple podcasts, Google podcasts, 611 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,519 all different platforms, Podbeans, so this is collectively across all 612 00:33:54,559 --> 00:33:55,279 of our channels. 613 00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,079 Speaker 1: So again we encourage you to share this with other people. 614 00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 2: If you have our mobile then you can get that 615 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,960 off our website, thefastracksystem dot com. 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