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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best

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in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world.

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Scary Era Era is the Irish or Gaelic word for Ireland.

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Paranormal means all the things that are impossible to explain

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by non natural forces or by science, and Ireland is

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steep and lower ghosts, blood, sweat, tears, sacrifice, hunger, desperation

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and charm. Oh and the paranormal. Welcome to Scary Era.

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Speaker 2: Mark Manning.

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Speaker 1: Same, why wouldn't you know? Hello, and welcome along to

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Scary Era. I've had the beautiful paranormal parlor decorated especially

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for you, so come on in and take the weight

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off your face as I talk to you about many

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things paranormal over the next whatever. We're going to County

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Tipperary in just a moment's time as David McGlen aka

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the Squire relates some strange monastic goings on in Kilcooley Abbey.

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But first let's see what one of my favorite paranormal

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investigators has been getting up to.

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Speaker 3: Hi, it's Pja here from Kukovog Paranormal. We've just completed

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our latest investigation in Lebcastle, our next two upcoming investigations

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will be Redwood Castle and Lepcastle the return. We can

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be found on Facebook, Instagram and TikTok and of course

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our team is Kukovog Paranoff.

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Speaker 4: A series of unexplained phenomena at Kilcooley Abbey have been

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reported over the years. At the twelfth century monastic site,

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long regarded by locals as one of County Tipperary's hidden

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historical landmark. Kilcooley Abbey, located approximately four and a half

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kilometers southwest of Gordonaho, was founded in eleven eighty two

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by the Cistercian Order under the patronage of Donald Moore O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: Though now in ruins and.

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Speaker 4: Situated on private farmland, the abbey continues to draw occasional

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visitors due to its architecture, carvings and sense of solitude. However,

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some informal accounts have cast the site in a different light.

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Several individuals visiting the grounds over the past decade have

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reported unexplained occurrences, prompting curiosity from regional history groups and

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amateur investigators. Among the most commonly described events are sudden

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temperature drops within specific chambers of the abbey, namely the

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sacristy and chapter house. These shifts reportedly occur even on

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warm summer afternoons. One visitor, who declined to be named

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but provided a written account to a local heritage forum,

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described a sharp coldness that passed through my jacket as

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I stepped through the archway. It felt like I had

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walked into a vault of ice, but only for a moment.

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In addition to changes in temperatures, some visitors have reported

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hearing faint sounds resembling chanting, particularly during evening hours. The

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chanting is described as low and rhythmic, resembling monastic singing.

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No audio recordings have been verified to date. A local

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walking group leader noted it was just after six p m.

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We were passing near the abbey when a few in

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the group stopped and said they could hear something inside.

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It sounded like a distant choir, but the place was

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locked up and completely empty. Shadow like figures are also

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mentioned in several accounts. These are usually described as dark

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forms moving along the old cloisters or near the tombs

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within the nave. No physical evidence has been found to

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support these sightings. While we're aware of a couple of

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investigations having been conducted. Interest has grown online and among

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historical societies. One regional folklore researcher commented, Kilcooley has always

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had stories attached to it. Any site this old will,

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but what's interesting is the consistency of these reports, particularly

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from people who aren't familiar with the old legends. Kilcooley

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Abbey remains on private lands and access is restricted. Visitors

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are advised to seek permission before entering the grounds. There

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is currently no indication that the property owners planned to

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open the site to formal paranormal investigations. As of now,

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the reports remain anecdotal. Kilcooley Abbey continues to be listed

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as a protected historical site under Irish Heritage law. For now,

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the haunting tales remain part of the quiet rural fabric

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of County Tipperary, intriguing, unverified and steep in centuries of

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't such a long way Tipperary after all.

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Girt Nahoe was mentioned there. My father was born in

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Gertnahoe up County Tip. If you like scary era and

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it resonates with you, perhaps you're in a paranormal community,

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all the things that go bump in the night in

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Ireland and anywhere else. Really I'd like to hear from you,

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so contributions. Please email me your ghostly goings on's, paranormal

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experiences or whatever too. Now take it down. Here we

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go Paranormal Ireland at ProtonMail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to do that or we ain't got a show.

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And indeed, later on, like everywhere else, it's Pride Monte

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here in Ireland in June. So we're gonna hear a

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rather sad story dating back way back to nineteen eighty

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that could be on the doorstep of Ireland, in the States,

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in Canada, in the Far East, who knows. But it's

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something I want to do. And the guy I have

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lined up for you, he is truly one of a

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kind as he relates a story, an eerie one about

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when he was a kid, well a teenager, and he

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woods in Worthing in ye merry Old England. He's one

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of my favorite people in the entire planet. So I

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Mason me Love, Love, Love. Have you ever been in

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love before? We all know that amazing rush that you

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get when you find somebody who is of the same

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mind and thoughts and feelings as you are. But sometimes,

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of course it goes wrong and we are left alone

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to ponder infidelity or loss or whatever it might be

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that has taken our love away from us, that is people,

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or love away from us others, Will you go off?

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I'm trying to be serious here. We really get money

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of tits love being the operative word where the world

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revolves around it. Here's a ghostly tale directly from County Wicklow,

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a beautiful county. It's known as the Garden of Ireland

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and it's got everything, the love triangle, infidelity on requited love.

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Oh how many of us have gone through unrequited love

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in our times? I know I have, And as you

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get older you sometimes look back and you go, wow,

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that one was for the best.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, he's so up his own arts.

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Speaker 1: If you're lucky, you'll find the love of your life.

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So there's a river runs through the aforementioned County Wicklow.

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It's called the Dargle, and here's a ghostly romantic tale

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all about it. This is the story of the legend

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of the Dargle Lovers. It has been recounted and embellished

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in numerous publications to become one of the most romantic

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and best known ghost stories from County Wicklow. This version

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is recounted by Jay Dunn from the nineteen seventy seven

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publication Haunted Ireland, A Romantic and Mysterious Ghosts. A young

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lady of the locality was faithless to her lover, giving

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her attentions instead to another young man who had started

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to woo her with dash and charm. But while she

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was singing a favorite song to please him, as she

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paused between verses, she heard the distant toll of a

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church bell, unmistakably signifying a death. On inquiring, and with

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a terrible fear clutching her heart, she discovered that her

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former lover, stricken by her infidelity, had died of a

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broken heart. Overcome by remorse, she left her new admirer

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and hurried to the graveyard where they had just buried

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the youth who had died for her. There, despite the

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entreaties of her friends, she spent a night of sleet

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and rain at his graveside. On each following night, she

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came again, and although her worried family tried to dissuade her,

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she continued her lonely vigil, only going back to her

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home during daylight hours. Indifferent to the pleadings of those

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who loved her and the entreaties of her new admirer,

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who had been responsible for her desertion of the dead youth,

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she continued to spend each night at the graveside, determined

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it seemed to die for him who had died for her. Eventually, inevitably,

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her mind collapsed, and she told her distraught sister that

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her lover had risen from the grave and walked with

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her through the darkle Glen, promising to meet her again

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and take her to a place where they would be

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together forever. Much alarmed, the girl's family tried to keep

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her confined to the house while she managed to escape.

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brother quickly followed her, heading with old speed to the churchyard,

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where he knew he would find her. He arrived too late,

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only in time to catch a glimpse of her scarf

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fluttering in the breeze as she ran towards the river,

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trying desperately to overtake her. He saw her climb up

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the huge crag, surmounting the Dargle, pause a moment on

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its treacherous brink, and then plunge into the swollen river below,

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doubtless lured to her death by the phantom lover, conjured

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up by her tortured imagination. The spirit of the unhappy

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and sometimes in the shape of a white fawn, disappearing

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into the shadows of the woods.

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Speaker 7: Bertie Brasen here recently the Scary Era podcast with Mark

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and I really enjoyed it. Hopefully you can listen to

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that podcast as well. But I'm a filmmaker, author and

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video producer. For anyone that doesn't know me, you can

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get all my information all my links at ww dot

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Bertie braslanfilms dot com, including my recent book The Forgotten

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Prince and novella detailing Brian Berru The Battle of Clontarfe,

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his son Donaga and Brodier of Man, the villain of

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the piece. This is a part of a trilogy and

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Speaker 5: At the moment.

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Speaker 7: You can get it via my shot about ww dot

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bertiebrasinfilms dot com, or just go on to Amazon and

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type in the Forgotten Prince Bertie Brosnan and it should

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come up. Thank you so much, Take care and enjoy

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the rest of the show.

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Speaker 2: Not paranormal, Mam Manning is real now that's a scary sort.

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Speaker 1: Why, thank you very much, Your roy Royal snydness. Well,

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the weather has been absolutely superb in Ireland over the

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past few weeks, and myself and my wife went out

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so we have many many walks. But on our way

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back through Monkstown, I saw this house and I said

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to my wife, you know that used to be Vincent

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in New York. He conversed with American pop stars and

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copied by a lot of companies in Europe. Now, this

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story dates back to nineteen eighty two and I'd like

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to dedicate it to all our LGBTQ plus plus plus

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community right here in Ireland. Happy Pride Month to you.

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This is a sad tale, but a sobering one. Oh

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and just before we begin, if you hear me referring

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to Guardie or Garda, they are our local police force

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Speaker 6: Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Murder in Monkstown, County, Dublin. The brutal killing of child

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South forty three years after a murder in the home

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of DJ Vincent Tanley. The case remains unsolved. Can you

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see Crumblin from hoth in nineteen eighty one, Gay Byrne

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asked thin Lizzie's fill Linet that rather sarcastic question about

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the rock stars move to a posher part of Dublin

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on the Late Late Show. Linett's glaring cream suit was

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offset by the most iconic Irish studio set of the time,

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a backdrop of beige brown carpet cut in sharp angles.

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It was the work of Child Self, a thirty three

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year old Scottish man employed by RTE as a set designer.

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Self designs were admired at Arte on January twentieth, nineteen

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eighty two. He was in top form as his creativity

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was being rewarded with a pay rise and more sets

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to design. But that night child Self was stabbed to

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death at his home in Monkstown, County, Dublin. Nobody has

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ever been charged with his killing. Forty three years later,

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those who knew him still grapple with the circumstances of

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his murder and the controversial investigation that followed. Child Self

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Dublin's gay world at a time when homosexuality was still illegal.

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Self's natural habitat was the Bailey Pub on Duke Street

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off Grafton Street. A spot popular with gay scenesters at

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the time. He was prone to cashing checks in the bar,

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making them out to the well known department store Brown Thomas.

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When the bank inquired about his tendency to catch a

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lot of checks and pubs, he replied, they keep better

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hours than you do. The gay scene at the time

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focused on a few spots in Dublin two The Bailey,

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the Hirshfield Center in Temple bar Risus at the corner

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of South King Street, a pub since demolished as part

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of the construction of the Saint Stephen's Green shopping Center.

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Bartley Dunns a breath of Paris, reminiscent of Lais, bistros, cosmopolitan,

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clean tell, left bank mood, rendezvous of intelligentsia, Bohemian literati,

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theater personalities, socialites, beatniks ran a print out for the

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pub in nineteen sixty nine, which was demolished in nineteen

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ninety to make way for the break for the Border Bar.

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And then there were the cruising spots, parks and public

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toilets Burg Key was a notable busy spot January nineteen

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eighty two. Lives on in Irish meteorology record books under

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the category of exceptional weather events. Dublin was particularly badly affected.

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Twenty six centimeters of snow fell between January eighth and

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thirteenth at Dublin Airport, and there were drifts of one

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and a half meters. The temperature fell below freezing for

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eight consecutive days. Soldiers were brought in to d ice

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Grafton Street and the Canadian government donated six snowmobiles. In

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the depths of that extreme winter, few cars drove, and

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Brighton Avenue in Monkstown County, Dublin would have been even

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quieter the normal. The bottom of the avenue offers an

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expansive view of the sea, but just before you get

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to the coast road, overlooking the train line, Annesley Muse

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is in a small lane way to the right. Self

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lived here in a house he shared with the RTE

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presenter Vincent Tanley, a friend who was away at the

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time of Self's death while he made a new life

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in London as a DJ. On the afternoon of Wednesday,

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January twentieth, Charles Self was in the bailey with his

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friend Bill Maher. They stayed until two fifty p m.

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When Self went back to work in Arte, taking the

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bus because his car was broken down. The last thing

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he said to Mar was a joke. He cracked when

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an older man walked past them and said hello to

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the two men. Self poked fun at Mar, saying, hm,

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I suppose you've had him as well. Later that day

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Self was back in the city center again. He returned

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to the Bailey, then went on to Bartley, Dnes. From

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there he went to burg Key, the stretch of the

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Liffey South Quays between the Tower Street junction and O'Connell Bridge.

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From burg Key, he took a taxi back to Annesley

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Muse with another man, whom the taxi driver described as

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having fair hair. Self arrived home before one a m.

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His favorite drink was black bush whiskey, and given the

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high spirits friends had seen him in that day, he

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had probably had a few. Charles self wasn't the kind

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of person to sit in at night pubs, receptions, openings,

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book launches. He was embedded in Dublin's social scene and

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knew many in the entertainment business through his work. He

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was in turn quite well known about town. He was

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an avidant, intrepid traveler. A friend describes how Charles identified

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a travel loophole, whereby if you book the full return

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fare back from a destination with a particular travel agency,

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you could stop off multi both times. He used this

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to the optimum effect when he traveled to Russia and

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came back through both Bragg and Paris. He had been

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to New York a couple of times, Thailand, and also

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loved Greece, especially Santorini, a destination he painted pictures of.

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He often traveled alone. Charles Self also loved his work,

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especially his job on the late late show Art and Music.

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Bubbly good fun is how Mar describes him. In their

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spare time, we were out a lot almost every night.

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When he came home, Self turned on the radio, played

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music or watched music videos, and often opened a bottle

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of wine. He sometimes fell asleep in the chair in

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the living room. But on the morning of January twenty first,

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shortly before nine am, his body was found at the

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end of the stairs. The crime scene itself was one

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of absolute chaos, with records across the place, and the

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murder had been vicious. He had been stabbed fourteen times.

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There was a slash wound to the throat, a piece

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of torn ligature around his neck, with the rest tied

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to a chair. Some of the stab wounds were through

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and through the weapon, an eight inch kitchen knife with

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a white handle, had been wielded with such ferocity it

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had gone through his body. The then state pathologist John

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Harbison carried out South's post mortem, concluding that he had

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died from stab wounds to the neck and back. It's

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hard to imagine that anyone in the house could have

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slept through the noise that must have accompanied such violence

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and aber. In a separate property described hearing screaming, but

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someone did sleep through the night, or most of it.

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Bertie Tyr, an Englishman who also worked in Rte as

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a designer, was staying in the house at the time

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in a room that had been occupied by Vincentanley, who

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was a Tyro who found Charles Self's body on the

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morning of January twenty first, was in his late sixties

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and may have been hard of hearing. He said he

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heard no commotion during Self's violent death, but he was

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woken by a man who came into Tyro's bedroom around

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two thirty a m saying something like sorry, wrong room.

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Tyr made a sketch of this man a drawing that

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would become a contentious issue in the case, along with

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an identicate photograph of a possible suspect. On the night

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of January twenty fifth, Self's body was flown to Glasgow,

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where the funeral took place. Earlier that day, a service

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took place at Saint Andrew's Presbyterian Church in black Rock County, Dublin,

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with a packed congregation, including the then Arte Director General

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George Waters. A notice carried in the Irish Times from

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Self's family in Scotland read, I wish to express my

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sincere thanks to all his friends and colleagues in Ireland

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for the kindness shown to the family during a time

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of much distress. In particular, I would like to pay

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tribute to the help and support given to us by

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Radio Telefe Sharon and the spiritual guidance of the church

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ministers in attendance. Detective Superintendent Hupert Reynolds and Detective Superintendent

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Michael Sullivan led a team of thirty detectives investigating the killing.

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The initial focus of the investigation was on two rent

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boys as suspects. As the investigation got under way, the

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pursuit of gay men as witnesses or suspects became one

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of the most controversial aspects of the case, affecting the

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lives of many people who had no connection to the murder.

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By Saturday March twentieth, nineteen eighty two, harassment was being

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reported from members of the gay community to the Irish

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Council for Civil Liberties. The Irish Times reported Homosexuals complained

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that guarding have been demanding they agree to be finger printed,

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photographed and give statements Many were not openly gay. They

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claimed that detectives have repeatedly called to their homes and

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places of work, causing them considerable embarrassment. Some also claim

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that family anguish has been caused when they were forced

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to reveal details of their sex lives to their parents

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because of the guardee. Cater Asthmal of the ICCL said

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at the time, something rather odd is emerging. It appears

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to me that in certain cases there is a desire

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to draw up a profile on GAZE. In Dublin, Amon Sommers,

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then president of the National Gay Federation, said people were

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worried that information gathered by Guardie could be released to

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civil servants screening job applicants. On March twenty third, Peter

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Murta wrote an article in the Irish Times headlined Gay's

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allege threats and taunts by Guardee. The article included an

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instance of a man being approached by detectives in the

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Phoenix Park for questioning. Another young man spoke of Guardy

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coming to his home four times along with several phone calls,

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and was pressured to come out to his family. Edmund Lynch,

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who worked in RTE and New Child Self, has been

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conducting interviews in recent years as part of his Irish

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LGBT History project. Some of those interviews go over people's

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memories of the Self investigation. Here on McKinney told Lynch

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he new Charles vaguely to say hello to He used

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to drink in the bailey and there were a whole

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bunch of us who hung out there. After Self's death.

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McKinney says Guardy showed no sensitivity, no sense of confidentiality

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about people's lives. A bunch of my friends were outed

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through that process. I know for a fact that a

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number of people left the country because of that experience.

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In late March, a public meeting was held by the

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Council for Civil Liberties and the Prisoner's Rights Organization. A

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human rights group that became involved because of the GARDA

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investigation to discuss the large number of complaints. That meeting

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was followed up by a protest in early April outside

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Peer Street GARDA station over harassment and a failure to

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publicly issue the pictures. If some people are hurt in

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relation to our inquiries, then I'm sorry, but we must

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go on. Detective Superintendent Hubert Reynolds said. There were two

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other high profile killings of gay men in nineteen eighty two.

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On September eighth, John Roach, a twenty nine year old

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hotel porter who worked in the Monster Hotel in Cork,

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was stabbed in the chest in a homophobic killing. On

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September ninth, Decland Flynn, a gay Irishman who worked for Rianta,

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was attacked and killed in Dublin's Fairview Park, a known

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gay meeting point where a number of other homophobic attacks

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had occurred before Flynn's death. In March nineteen eighty three,

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after Flynn's killers were given suspended sentences, protests took place

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in Dublin, a public expression of anger often seen as

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the impetus for the gay pride movement in Ireland. While

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the protests are often directly linked to the lenient sentences

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of Flint s Kellard's self's murder, and the fear and

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harassment gay men encountered during the investigation also contributed to

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this tipping point. Alan Bailey, now retired, was the detective

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sergeant in charge of the guard A Serious Crime Review Team.

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In two thousand and nine, he presented a paper to

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the FBI in Virginia in the US about the Self case,

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in particular about what he believes were elements of the

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crime scene that were staged. Why is a crime scene staged?

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Bailey asks, its stage to deflect or impede the investigation,

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or deflect from some suspect or another. Self's body was

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found at the bottom of the stairs in the mews house.

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It was close to the front door, making it impossible

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to open the door. The presumption was the killer escaped

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through a small kitchen window. However, there was a planter

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box on the window sill, which in the process of

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someone climbing out a window would have been disturbed or

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knocked over. It was clear that it was placed on

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the ground. Bailey says it wasn't knocked over. There was

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no spillach whatsoever. It was lifted off the window sill

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and placed on the ground. Another big anomaly, Bailey says,

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relates to pools of blood at the scene. There was

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furniture placed back over them. They weren't haphazard. It's physically impossible.

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The big thing was with child self was the absolute overkill.

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It would indicate somebody who wasn't just killing them to

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rob them. The wounds that penetrated the body were no

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mean achievement, he says. The kitchen knife, Bailey calls a

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weapon of opportunity. Bailey says guardee were wrong at the

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time to seek male prostitutes at suspects and instead should

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have been calling them as witnesses. The presumption was this

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rent boy for want of a better word, had panicked,

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hadn't been able to get out because the position of

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the body at the foot of the stairs and came

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through the kitchen window. Bady disagrees with this hypothesis. It

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was obviously someone else. Bertie Tyer died in December nineteen

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ninety five, aged eighty. The sketch he made after the

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murder had been in the shadows of the case for

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many years. Following Self's death, there were several calls from

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gay activists for GUARDE to release the sketch and the

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identicate photo they had. They were never released publicly. Bill

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maher recalled seeing the sketch in a guarda's station at

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the time and remembers it as a black pen drawing

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on a white sheet of paper. Marr has been told

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by police many times in the intervening years that they

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had no sketch, but in February twenty seventeen, Guardy told

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Mar they did in fact have the sketch as well

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as the photo fit, and were making further enquiries. Mar's

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theory remains that Self met someone while waiting for a

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taxi home, a person who would have been traveling in

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the same direction and whom Charles asked in for a drink.

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The person sketched by Bertie Tyler did not fit the

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description of the fair haired man described as having accompanied

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Self in the taxi home from town. The man Tyr

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saw had dark, curly hair and what Marr says Tyre

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characterized as a West brit accent. As nineteen eighty two,

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rolled On Self's murder was overshadowed by the grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre,

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and unprecedented aka gooboo series of incidents involving Malcolm MacArthur,

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who had murdered a twenty seven year old nurse, Bridey

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Gargan in the Phoenix Park and three days later a farmer,

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Donald Dunn in Edenderry, County Offley. MacArthur was subsequently arrested

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in the home of the Attorney General Patrick Connell in

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Dawkey County, Dublin. MacArthur was known on the gay scene

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in Dublin and also to south Some friends can't shake

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what they say is a similarity between the description of

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the person drawn and MacArthur's likeness. In October, MacArthur spoke

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to a tabloid newspaper. While he did admit that he

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was a regular drinker in Bartley Dun's, he claimed he

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had stopped socializing there around the time Self was killed.

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Bill Maher says he was told child Self's killer was

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in prison. A reporter told me he was behind bars.

472
00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,720
He says. The reporter said he was quoting a guard

473
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,160
a source. But there are many theories and there were

474
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,319
other men seen that night in Bartley Duns. Self spoke

475
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,839
to a man in his mid to late twenties who

476
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,160
was carrying a duffel bag. On burg Key, he met

477
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,079
two men in their late twenties, one who had dark

478
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:55,599
hair and wore a leather jacket. Then there was a

479
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,400
man in or around his late twenties in Brighton Lane

480
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,720
in Monkstown, opposite the lane where Annesley mus is. This

481
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,559
man had short brown hair and was wearing a tweed

482
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,640
beige jacket and trousers. A neighbors said they saw a

483
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,039
fairly tall man in dark clothes jump over a wall

484
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,799
at the Mews to day. The lane way where Annesley

485
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,200
Muse sits is one of those pleasant South Dublin nooks,

486
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:23,319
hidden away and peaceful. A woman who answers the door

487
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:26,039
to a property at Annesley Muse's, which was added on

488
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,880
in the mid nineteen nineties, says she knows little of

489
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,240
the events that occurred there in January nineteen eighty two.

490
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:36,039
I only know what's in the papers, she says. For

491
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,480
Bill Maher, those events still feel like yesterday. The whole

492
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:43,240
thing didn't fit with me. Charles was in great form

493
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:46,119
that day. He got promoted. He was getting a pay rise.

494
00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:49,480
They were going to give him more work. He didn't

495
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,599
frequently bring guys back to the house I lived in

496
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,000
the house for six months, and I could count on

497
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,880
one hand the amount of people he brought back for sex.

498
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,359
There's another peculiar and unexplained aspect to the child Self story,

499
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,480
one that has no apparent connection with the gruesome murder,

500
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:15,359
but is yet another loose end. Almost exactly fourteen years later,

501
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,519
the person who had hired child Self for RTE, a

502
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:26,079
man named Alpho O'Reilly, left his home in Sandymount. Neither

503
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:31,480
he nor his car have ever been found. The case

504
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:36,000
may never be solved, but it isn't closed. A guard

505
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,200
A spokesman confirmed to The Irish Times that Charle Self's

506
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:44,039
murder remains under investigation.

507
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:54,519
Speaker 5: Yeah.

508
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,519
Speaker 8: Yeah, a couple of things over the years. But I've learned, well,

509
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:00,920
I don't I suppose it's not and I've just become

510
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,200
accustomed to it, and I think it's kind of it's

511
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:06,160
maybe it's another sense or something. But often when you

512
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,079
go into places, you will get a feeling for the place,

513
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,880
and you'll get a feeling of whether or not it's comfortable.

514
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,760
And whatever cause is that. Who knows what causes that.

515
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,159
But we have an intuition, we have an inbuilt intuition.

516
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,159
I can't describe what it is or where it comes from,

517
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,559
or the physics of it or the chemistry of it.

518
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:25,400
But it's there and anybody will will tell you to

519
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,519
stick with your intuition. If you think something doesn't feel right,

520
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:30,079
then don't hang around.

521
00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:35,639
Speaker 2: Superb advice from regular contributor to Scary Era, David McGlynn

522
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:40,039
aka the Squire, and don't hang around either. If you've

523
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:45,280
got an Irish paranormal tale to tell, simply email Paranormal

524
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,559
Ireland at proton male dot com and it'll be read

525
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:52,039
out for you or you get to tell it on

526
00:34:52,119 --> 00:34:57,440
air yourself. That's Paranormal Island at proton Male dot com.

527
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 5: Hello Scary Are listeners.

528
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 9: My name is Anthony Kerrigan and I'm a member of

529
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,960
a paranormal psychical research team called ghost Eer. You can

530
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,320
catch up on where we have been also see what

531
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,239
we've got up in the future by logging into our

532
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,480
website ww dot Ghostereo dot net. You can also watch

533
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:19,679
shows of the ghost a channel where we interview numerous

534
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,880
people in the field of the paranormal and FOURTEENA. You

535
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:27,599
can also check us on our social media pages on Facebook, Instagram,

536
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:31,480
and YouTube by just typing in Ghostterer or Ghosteer Paranormal.

537
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:35,840
You can also watch our new show Phantasm Collective on

538
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,079
channels such as Prime UK and also Paraflex and other

539
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streaming services to be announced.

540
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:48,079
Speaker 5: I've just got to deal with this ghost now get

541
00:35:48,199 --> 00:35:50,199
out to drug.

542
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 6: Mark Manning.

543
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: That would be me And that last was courtesy of

544
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,360
the Irish Times a few years back. I have been

545
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,599
haanging on recently saying that look, if you're not based

546
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,960
in Ireland, it doesn't preclude you from appearing on the show.

547
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,840
I want to put together a thing called the International Interlude.

548
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,920
You're about to hear an example of it right now.

549
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,880
And I don't go too far away at all, I

550
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,960
go across the pond to the UK. Now take the

551
00:36:22,039 --> 00:36:27,800
name of this podcast down, Ray's Rants. I came across

552
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,480
it a few years back when I wanted an alternative

553
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,559
to all the head frying stuff on social media that

554
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,960
used to really put me in a bad mood. I

555
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:39,039
found the perfect antidote in Ray's Rants.

556
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:39,519
Speaker 2: Now.

557
00:36:39,599 --> 00:36:42,599
Speaker 1: Ray is of cake baking years. He's in his early

558
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,480
to mid seventies and he is so young mind that

559
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:49,519
it's incredible. His podcasts, in the nicest possible way, often

560
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:51,880
put people to sleep and I've said it to Ray

561
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,519
myself because I've appeared on this show. I've said, Ray,

562
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,599
your voice really belongs to the Cardigan wearers of say

563
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:02,400
BBC Radio four. It's beautiful, but it does put people

564
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,599
to sleep. But that has a flip side and a

565
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,639
beneficial one, because you end up wanting to listen to

566
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:10,960
the podcast again when you're more awake. So Ray gets

567
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,840
basically twice the figures. He's based in Worthing on the

568
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,239
south coast of the United Kingdom, not far from where

569
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,800
my grandfather hailed from, and his podcasts are a social document,

570
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:24,760
if you like, of life in the nineteen sixties and

571
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,000
indeed going back to the nineteen fifties. What you're about

572
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:32,519
to hear has all the elements I love radio, EVPs,

573
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,159
electronic voice phenomena for those of you who don't know,

574
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,960
and the paranormal. We join Ray in his radio shack.

575
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,960
Because Ray never retired, he's still very active. After a

576
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,159
life of fixing televisions and radio, he is still very

577
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,239
much active in the ham radio world. He made this

578
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,519
video a few years ago. You can find it on YouTube.

579
00:37:51,559 --> 00:37:55,679
Speaker 5: Actually, yes, you're mad if you go to YouTube.

580
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:02,079
Speaker 6: And typing postree Poil with wild You met you Woods.

581
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:05,639
Speaker 1: And he's sitting in his radio shack Stroke studio, and

582
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,920
he tells us all about a ghostly EVP that took

583
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,159
place on a pirate station he and his friends created

584
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:16,880
in the nineteen sixties. Listen up, time for international interlude

585
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,039
on Mark Manning's Scary Era.

586
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 5: Hi me again, Ray from the radio workshop with more

587
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:38,880
tales of the expected or yes, tales of pirate days

588
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:46,920
of old. THEOT commented, Hello, THEOT, if you're watching, THEO said,

589
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,519
how about some what was it haunted scary stories or

590
00:38:51,559 --> 00:38:55,800
scary haunted stories? Well, I don't actually have any ghost stories.

591
00:38:57,119 --> 00:39:01,559
Well I say that that comment THEO. That reminded me

592
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:06,199
of a time. It's to do with pirate radio or

593
00:39:06,199 --> 00:39:09,719
medium wave, yes, but it's to do more with this

594
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:15,320
derelict house. As always, we were looking, you know, us

595
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,000
a bunch of lads teens, early twenties, We were looking

596
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:22,440
for a place to pirate from, set up the medium

597
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,400
wave transmitter, the aerial you know, as you know from

598
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,480
all the other videos. Well, where I the town I

599
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:33,480
live in, going back decades, there was farm land around,

600
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:36,480
as probably with most places in the UK, there was

601
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:39,280
farmland and fields and just sort of waste land and

602
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,880
stuff like that, and it was great fun as kids.

603
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:46,119
We're always over the woods climbing trees. Wonder whether anyone

604
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:52,119
remembers Limbrick Cops. Limbrick Cops near Limbrick Lane, Goring is

605
00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:56,000
it go, yes, Goring Maybridge out that way was all woods.

606
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:58,960
There was a pond, you know, we get sticklebacks and

607
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:02,480
newts and tadp and stuff like that. All great fun

608
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,719
as kids. Because now it's all housing estates. The whole

609
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,719
lot is housing estates. It's such a shame. It's all concrete. Anyway.

610
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:14,519
Going back, not at Limbrick Cops, but not too far

611
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:17,199
from there, there was a derelict house in the woods.

612
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,480
It was probably an old farm place, I don't know,

613
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,679
farm workers cottage, something like that. I don't know what

614
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,400
it was, but it was definitely derelict. Not many people

615
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:32,880
knew about it. Had a couple of broken windows, The

616
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:36,519
front door was jammed open permanently, the back door was missing.

617
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,079
The back door into this very small kitchen. There was

618
00:40:40,119 --> 00:40:43,280
a kind of upstairs, but very narrow wooden stairs up

619
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:47,119
to basically was just a boarded attic with a very

620
00:40:47,159 --> 00:40:51,920
small window. So it's a very small place downstairs. All

621
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,119
that was, assuming the bedroom was upstairs. Downstairs was like

622
00:40:56,159 --> 00:41:01,599
a very small lounge, little hallway, any kitchen, and another room.

623
00:41:01,639 --> 00:41:04,000
I don't know what that was, but a very small place,

624
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,239
definitely derelicts, not been lived in for years, and not

625
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,400
many people knew about it. So we thought, ideal place

626
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,599
for a bit of medium wave pirate radio. So we

627
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,719
sort of surveyed the place where we're going to put

628
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,880
the area. Oh blah blah blah, and we went back

629
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:25,440
in the evening. Now, bear in mind, is a lovely

630
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,880
summer evening. We went back in the evening with the

631
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:33,679
areel and the insulators, cutters, bits and pieces. All we're

632
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:36,039
going to do is put the area up, no trapsmitting gear.

633
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,000
But we took a few beers with us because we thought,

634
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,360
you know, we'd have a sort of chill out there

635
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,079
after we put the area up, and a bit of

636
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:45,239
a chat about what we're going to do. There were

637
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,519
bits of furniture. There was a kind of old sofa

638
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:49,760
and a chair, and a couple of other bits of

639
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:53,679
table and things. So we put the aerial from the

640
00:41:53,800 --> 00:42:00,000
chimney to a tree some distance away. That was all

641
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:01,840
done and we're just sort of sitting there having our

642
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:05,760
beers and that now there was no road or track

643
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,800
or anything to the place, only a sort of narrow footpath,

644
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:11,920
not mutually even a footpath, you know, you had to

645
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,960
sort of trek through the woods to get to part

646
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,480
of it. And anyway, someone said that they walk up

647
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:20,400
the chip shop. I think there were four or five

648
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,960
of us. You had to walk right away to the

649
00:42:23,039 --> 00:42:26,159
road then down to the chip shop. And he came

650
00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:29,719
back with kind of six coln chips and wearing our

651
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,079
fish and chips and our beer. It was a great evening.

652
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,920
We had too many beers, as we did in those days,

653
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,400
and we all sort of went to sleep on this

654
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,199
old sofa and the chair and stuff. And it was

655
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,639
about half three in the morning. I remember that because

656
00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:50,159
it wasn't quite daylight. In midsummer daylight it's about four o'clock.

657
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,000
It was about half three. One of the lads woke

658
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:56,920
the rest of us up and he said, there's someone

659
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,679
in the hall, so well blind me. We're all looking

660
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:03,079
out there. What what you said? There's lights, there's a torch,

661
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:06,920
so we're looking and it was it wasn't a torch.

662
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:11,199
It was flashing lights, you know, an art world and

663
00:43:11,199 --> 00:43:13,360
when you're going you know, you've got your thing on

664
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,760
and all the flashing around the walls from the art

665
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:19,880
worlder it was like that. There was no sound with it,

666
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,880
but it was like that a kind of blue violety

667
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:27,920
color light, just like reflection of art worlding going on.

668
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,840
And because there was no electricity in the place, no water,

669
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:37,400
no nothing, so but it was an electrical type arcing light,

670
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,280
if you know what I mean. And we're sort of

671
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,159
looking none of us dare adventure out into the hallway

672
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:46,239
is the only way we could get out of the

673
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:51,559
of the house I say, house cottage, and anyway it stopped,

674
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:55,039
so you know, we're all sort of, well, this is

675
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:58,360
a bit scary. What else going on? Because it's by now,

676
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,719
you know, it's getting like like four o'clock is daylight,

677
00:44:02,599 --> 00:44:04,559
and you know we're all sort of cleared off home.

678
00:44:04,599 --> 00:44:07,840
We didn't know what that was. So yeah, I remember

679
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,480
specifically remember the dawn chorus. You know, the birds all

680
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:13,840
start singing about four in the morning in the summer,

681
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:16,000
and it was really loud because we're in the in

682
00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:18,760
the woods and sort of fields, and that really loud,

683
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,480
these birds singing and the sun was coming up and

684
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:25,119
daylight and it wasn't so scary, but you know, we

685
00:44:25,159 --> 00:44:28,719
didn't know what it was. Anyway, we all went home

686
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,960
and that was that we'd done the job. The area

687
00:44:31,159 --> 00:44:33,880
was up, we'd had our beers and our fish and chips.

688
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:38,119
So what the plan was was the following Sunday we

689
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:42,159
were going to do our first transmission. Right, so the

690
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,679
idea was go along there Saturday night and set up

691
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:49,000
the gear. We weren't we hadn't planned to sleep there,

692
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,599
but as it was so such a remote place and Derek,

693
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:54,119
we thought, well, no one's going to nick the gear

694
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,239
save lugging it all out there Sunday morning. To go

695
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,320
on there at eleven, you know, we'd go out there,

696
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,760
set everything up and just just cover it with an

697
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,000
old blanket, you know, just distant case, which we did

698
00:45:08,039 --> 00:45:11,079
on the Saturday night. We set it all up. We

699
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,840
took some beers again, always took beers wherever we went,

700
00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:18,920
especially there, because we you know, we weren't able to

701
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,280
drive to the place. We had to walk quite a

702
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,760
distance from the road with the gear. That was another

703
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,039
reason for doing this on the Saturday night, because it

704
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,880
was obviously going to take quite a time lugging the

705
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,559
stuff and for start, the twelve vault car batteries big

706
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:37,119
and heavy, the transmitter, the you know, the vibrator pack,

707
00:45:37,199 --> 00:45:41,320
and we also had a rotary transform member, the rotary transformers,

708
00:45:41,519 --> 00:45:45,159
rotary converter, you know, twelve vaults in an ht out,

709
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:48,599
that sort of thing. We had quite a bit of

710
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:51,000
gear to lug in. There, a cassette tape recorder with

711
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:54,440
the programs on, you know, the cassette tapes with the programs.

712
00:45:55,519 --> 00:45:58,039
So we did all this, set it all up, did

713
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:01,239
a quick test transmission, which was and we were all finished.

714
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,280
It was dark by this time. I don't know, it

715
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,719
was sort of getting dark anyway, nine no, not nine

716
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,719
ten at night in the summer, and we're sitting down

717
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,280
and having our beers and there's these lights again in

718
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:20,480
the hall, flashy lights. And someone said, someone's mucking about.

719
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:23,840
It's someone outside shining a torch in or something like that.

720
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:26,960
Someone whoever it was, they were saying, oh, someone's obviously

721
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,800
heard that we're here. We told a few people it

722
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,280
was a secret. Well it was a secret just among

723
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,159
our lot, you know, like in the pub we'd said, oh,

724
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:38,599
there's a Derek House and we're going there, and we

725
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:43,400
thought someone had decided to muck about. The flashing stopped

726
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,320
after you know, twenty seconds or thirty seconds. We were

727
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,760
going to go and have a look. We thought, you know,

728
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,320
let's go and find out who's doing this. At that

729
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,960
point we heard someone upstairs, or a noise upstairs. It

730
00:46:56,039 --> 00:46:59,280
wasn't like walking across the boards up there, but someone

731
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,880
was definitely moving around upstairs in what we thought were

732
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:06,719
to be the kind of attic bedroom. None of us

733
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,559
would venture up the little narrow staircase to have a look.

734
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:12,559
We're taking torches with us, but none of us would

735
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:15,000
go up there and have a look. It's sort of old.

736
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:18,719
Someone's bucking about. You know, they'll come down eventually. You know,

737
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,079
there's no other way out, so we'll just wait till

738
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:25,840
they come down. We were having our beers and it

739
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:29,239
all went quiet, and in the end we went home.

740
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:31,440
We weren't going to go up there, and whoever it

741
00:47:31,519 --> 00:47:33,880
was up there obviously wasn't going to come down, so

742
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:34,440
we went home.

743
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 6: That was that.

744
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 5: The following day, on the Sunday, we were there on

745
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,760
the air at eleven o'clock, pretty out the program great stuff,

746
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,039
No funny business, going on, no lights, no clonking around upstairs.

747
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:48,800
In fact, we did go up and I will look

748
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:52,199
nothing up there. You know, it's different in the middle

749
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:54,199
of the day, isn't it. When it's at night and

750
00:47:54,199 --> 00:47:57,400
it's dark, it's a bit scary. Oh yeah, we were.

751
00:47:58,199 --> 00:48:01,400
We were sort of young lads. We weren't scared of anything.

752
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,119
But that did frighten us, you know, that sort of

753
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,199
creaking around. Even though we thought, oh, it's someone up

754
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:09,760
there mucking about, we were. I remember that night when

755
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:11,719
I was in bed thinking, I was thinking then that

756
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,519
was a bit scary. You know, whoever it was didn't

757
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:16,079
come down. We thought they were going to come down

758
00:48:16,079 --> 00:48:19,719
and have a laugh. But anyway, the transmission went out

759
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,599
on the sun. This was our first transmission. It was good.

760
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,360
It was a good signal round. Later on that day

761
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,800
we had reports that evening and we took the gear

762
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,559
out of the cottage that afternoon. We didn't want to

763
00:48:34,599 --> 00:48:36,519
leave it in there all week, although we planned to

764
00:48:36,519 --> 00:48:38,639
go on the air the following Sunday. We didn't want

765
00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:42,559
to leave it there all week. What we did we

766
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:44,960
all met in the pub that night, and we weren't

767
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:48,159
always sounds like we were all rampant alcoholics, was boozing.

768
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,360
I suppose we were no met in the pub that night,

769
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,519
and this chap that we knew, he said, oh yeah,

770
00:48:55,559 --> 00:48:59,360
great listening to it, but you know, shame about that.

771
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,440
Whoever it was singing in the studio was singing. What

772
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,239
do you mean singing? And he said, well, the DJ

773
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,760
was doing his bit on the pre recorded programs, and

774
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,519
the DJ Chap was with us. I think where was

775
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:16,800
it Rob? I think it was Rob, and he said

776
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,559
I was. I was alone, he said, I always doing

777
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:20,599
the pre recording programs. I do there on my own.

778
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,079
And he was sort of in his bedroom. He's got

779
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,840
his gear and stuff and his tape recorder, his microphone

780
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,800
and all that, and and this chapter, No, there was

781
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,639
a girl singing along and he remember, he said, well,

782
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:36,079
not singing, sort of humming. And you know, Rob said, well,

783
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:38,159
there was no one in there with me. I was

784
00:49:38,199 --> 00:49:40,559
doing this on my own. There was no one there,

785
00:49:41,039 --> 00:49:45,000
and we had we listened to the tape previously, and

786
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:47,000
there was you know, there was no girl. He said, yeah,

787
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,280
a young girl like a child, almost humming and sort

788
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,920
of singing along. Anyway, he didn't record, he didn't have

789
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,639
a recording of this, and we just thought, I don't

790
00:49:56,639 --> 00:49:58,559
know what he's talking about. You know. We left it

791
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:01,920
at that, didn't think anything of it. The following week

792
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,719
we did the same thing. We set up on the

793
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,239
Saturday night there I say, we took a few beers

794
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,639
with us. Again, well bear in mind, we weren't going out,

795
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:12,159
you know, we normally on a Saturday night we'd go

796
00:50:12,199 --> 00:50:15,599
out for the down the local nightclub or something. So

797
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:17,559
it was right to take a few beers, wasn't it.

798
00:50:18,159 --> 00:50:21,679
And you know, we set up everything and we actually

799
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,679
sat there listening to the pre recorded Yeah we have

800
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,880
to caete tape recorded ready to go. We listened to

801
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,400
the programs you have a bit of music, and while

802
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:35,679
we're having our beers having a chat, the blue lights

803
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:39,079
flashing weren't in the hall, but there was a noise

804
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:43,960
upstairs again and this time, you know, we were convinced

805
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,199
that someone's up there. You know, it's one of our mates,

806
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,440
and we thought someone came up with the idea that

807
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,119
the chat that had said, oh you know there's someone singing,

808
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:57,880
some girls singing. We reckoned it was him. He been

809
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,000
flashing the torch, he been upstairs or him and his

810
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:05,079
accomplice or whatever. Then he's saying, oh, yeah, there's some

811
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:08,000
girl singing in the studio when he knew there wasn't.

812
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,320
Obviously there wasn't, And we thought, right, okay, we now

813
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,719
found out who it is. He's trying to scare us.

814
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:17,880
It had got dark. It was ten o'clock again, it

815
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,159
had just got dark. We had torches with us, and

816
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,039
we could hear something up there. Definitely, you know, it

817
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:26,360
was one hundred percent there was someone up there. It

818
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,960
wasn't just like a rat or an animal or something,

819
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:33,440
or just creaking how the wooden beams as the day

820
00:51:33,559 --> 00:51:36,159
calls down in the summer, the beams creak and stuff.

821
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,800
It wasn't that there was someone up there. So okay,

822
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:41,960
we all get our torches right, we're coming up. We

823
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,840
all got up the stairs. Okay, no, we know you're here,

824
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,880
and no one up there. Then we were scared. You

825
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,519
know how on the back of your neck you get

826
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:53,800
the prick all the hairs stick up, and there was

827
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,159
We had definitely heard someone up there, and there's no

828
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:00,320
one there. There's a little window and it was only

829
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,400
a small like a little attic window. You couldn't get

830
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:04,280
in and out of that and even if you could,

831
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:06,760
you're on the kind of sloping roof, you know, it

832
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,440
would have made a head of a noise. So then

833
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:14,559
we were scared. We all went piling back down the stairs,

834
00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:20,559
and we remember we didn't run. What we did. We

835
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,280
sort of we did a runner back to the road.

836
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:28,559
And yeah, it was we didn't know what to think.

837
00:52:29,159 --> 00:52:31,559
I think we were scaring each other, you know, someone

838
00:52:31,679 --> 00:52:34,000
us saying, oh, it's a ghost of places halted. You

839
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:36,079
know someone else was saying I knew all along it

840
00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:38,679
was a ghost. Those flashing light. We were scaring each

841
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:44,159
other and you know that anyway, that was that we

842
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,000
had to go. All our gear was there. We were

843
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,960
all set up for the Sunday morning eleven o'clock transmission,

844
00:52:49,039 --> 00:52:52,079
so we had to go back for that, which we did.

845
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,880
We were a bit wary, but we thought, okay, this

846
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,559
only happens at night, so this is all right. What

847
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:03,119
I did I before I went, I'd set up my tape,

848
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:06,000
my radio and my tape recorder and a time switch

849
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,159
at this time switch which I've been using to no,

850
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,960
not me, I don't use. I don't turn on transmitters

851
00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:14,599
with time switches, but one that could have been used

852
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:17,239
to turn on a transmitter at a certain time. Anyway,

853
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,000
I put that, got my tape recorder on record, real

854
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:22,880
to real, didn't do the pinch with any good of course,

855
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,400
because it was left like that until the time switch

856
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,719
came on eleven o'clock, which was going to record the transmission.

857
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:32,280
So if anyone said, oh, you know, there's some girl

858
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:36,880
seeing some ghostly girl humming away on the on the transmission,

859
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,159
I could listen to the recorder and say, no, no,

860
00:53:39,199 --> 00:53:44,000
there wasn't. We went to the place where did the transmission.

861
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:48,280
It was great, no problems, no ghosts, nothing like that.

862
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,920
No ghosts, and that was that. There was nothing to

863
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:58,519
tell about that. We eventually packed up our gear, lugged

864
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:00,880
it all back to the car, which we had parked

865
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:05,000
out on the road. That was it. I went home

866
00:54:05,679 --> 00:54:08,840
because I thought that Sunday night, as usual, you went

867
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,639
down the pub and this chap to go say oh

868
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,960
there was a girl singing out of there. So I

869
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,599
got home and I put the tape on and I

870
00:54:16,679 --> 00:54:22,239
replayed the recording. Okay, the live on air recording. Now

871
00:54:23,159 --> 00:54:24,880
you know what I'm going to say next, don't you?

872
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,000
And you're right. I sat there and I listened and

873
00:54:29,039 --> 00:54:34,679
there was a girl, childlike girl's voice, humming, singing, not

874
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:39,760
whining or moaning, but I can't describe it. Not loud,

875
00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:45,320
but definitely there on the tape. I could hear it.

876
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:48,360
It wasn't through the other whole hour's transmission. It was

877
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:52,239
only now and then, but she was definitely there. Now

878
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,119
I had heard the original recording, the pre recorded tape.

879
00:54:56,840 --> 00:55:00,800
There was nothing on there like that at all. This

880
00:55:01,159 --> 00:55:03,760
was a live recording. No one could have got in

881
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,880
to you know, where my tape recorder was and done

882
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:12,440
anything superimposed ghostly singing girls on there or anything. It

883
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,320
had come from the transmission, our live transmission. It had

884
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:20,800
come from the transmitter in the cottage. I played it back,

885
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,559
must have been a dozen times or more. I phoned

886
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,440
the lads. They came round that Sunday afternoon and they

887
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,719
listened to it. And it wasn't just me dreaming or whatever.

888
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:35,079
We could all hear it, and we were looking, we're

889
00:55:35,119 --> 00:55:39,159
looking at each other. It was none of us knew

890
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:42,599
what to say, what to think. That really was scary.

891
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,800
It was at that point that we didn't say. We

892
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,400
all decided, but we all knew there was something very weird.

893
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,960
About that cottage. It wasn't someone mucking about upstairs. We've

894
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,360
been up there. There was no one there. The lights

895
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,400
in the hall you couldn't do it with a torch

896
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,280
on and off. It wasn't that. It was like, as

897
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,800
I said earlier, like an arc light reflecting on the

898
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:09,639
on the walls. Electrical arc. You can't simulate or emulate

899
00:56:09,639 --> 00:56:13,800
that with a torch. We came to the conclusion that

900
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,760
the place was haunted. Do you remember the cassette tape

901
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:20,719
recorders where the microphone would have a double jack, you know,

902
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:22,719
the was it the little three point five bill on

903
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,719
the large one or whatever it was, the double jackplide

904
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,760
with a switch on the microphone, so you put your

905
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,719
little cassette on record, okay, and then you can switch

906
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,039
it on, do your dictation, switch it off. We had

907
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:37,840
a tape recorder like that, and what we knocked up

908
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,199
was a little transistor circuit and a relay little microphone.

909
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,719
So any any sound, right, the little transistor circuit would

910
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,079
pick it up and flick the relay, which would we'd

911
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:51,559
then plug into the tape recorder and it would record.

912
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,599
We set a like a capacitor, a time thing on

913
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:58,000
the on the relay, so any noise, the tape recorder

914
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,599
would switch on for about thirty seconds and then the

915
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:03,760
relay would flip out again. It would trip out. Okay,

916
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:07,480
we set this up and we took it there. We

917
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:12,360
all went into this cottage. Even telling you the story now,

918
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,199
even thinking back, just relating this, it does make me

919
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,119
feel I don't know, weird, eerie. So we put it

920
00:57:19,159 --> 00:57:22,639
on the table in this room, set it up, checked it,

921
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:26,480
you know, clap clap, Yes, it's recording. About thirty seconds

922
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:29,719
and it switches off. And we did this on the

923
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,599
Saturday evening before it was dark. I hastened to add

924
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:35,920
and we all cleared off pretty quick. We did a

925
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:41,440
runner on a Sunday morning. I got a phone call

926
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:46,079
about seven o'clock and I know it's early, but let's

927
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:49,079
go and get the tape. Let's go and listen. So

928
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:51,559
we all went there. I think we got there about nine.

929
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:55,159
In the end. There's the tape recorder. We wound it

930
00:57:55,199 --> 00:57:58,960
back in. Obviously recorded something. We wound it back and

931
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:03,239
we pressed play to have a listen. Right, there's a

932
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,480
few bangings about like that. You know, it could have

933
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,239
been a fox coming into the place, animals, whatever, a

934
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:14,960
fox sniffing about setting the tape recorder off. There was

935
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:18,039
the kind of moving around upstairs. It was quite a

936
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:20,639
sensitive mic on this tape recorder. There was the kind

937
00:58:20,639 --> 00:58:23,960
of moving around noise upstairs that we recognized as if

938
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,639
someone was up there. There was that. And don't forget

939
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:32,800
that these were like thirty second recordings, So one thump

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like that would switch the tape on to record for

941
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thirty seconds. Then it would stop and then and this

942
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is a bit where what we did. In fact, when

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we heard this, we grabbed the tape recorder and ran

944
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out of that cottage because we were listening to the

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stuff in the cottage tape recorder on the table. It's

946
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scary even thinking about it now. We were listening and

947
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we heard the girl. We heard this humming sort of singing,

948
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and we just looked at each other and one of us,

949
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I forget who grabbed the tape recorder, and we just

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ran out of that cottage and back to the road

951
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as fas as we didn't stop. As fast as we could.

952
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We ran back to the road and were kind of

953
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on the pavement, look at each other and looking back

954
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at the woods, and we were shaking. You know, I've

955
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got to admit it. We were shaking. We were that scared.

956
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It's what was it. We listened to that again and again.

957
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It was several times on the tape. Several places on

958
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the tape it had switched on and you could hear

959
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this faint humming singing in the background. I don't know

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what it was. I didn't none of us told anyone,

961
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because you can't go around and saying to people we

962
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heard the voice of a ghostly girl singing in a

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haunted cottage. You know, people are yeah, right, okay, yeah,

964
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and he's lost it, he's lost the plot. So we

965
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didn't ever tell anyone. I don't think I've ever told

966
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anyone to this day. Is only now because you know

967
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:11,960
this this thing about scary haunted stories. It's only that

968
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that made me think, oh, well, that's the thought. Yes,

969
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I haven't got loads of ghost stories. There were one

970
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:21,000
or two other things over the years that have happened,

971
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but I haven't got loads of ghost stories because that

972
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girl that was not the girl, the girl's voice in

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01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:31,840
the cottage, we couldn't hear it. We're only here on

974
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the tape. The microphone picked it up. Somehow it went

975
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out on the RF you know signal on the transmission,

976
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but we couldn't hear it ourselves, so what was it?

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There are no such things as ghosts, are they?

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Speaker 4: Remember you don't have to be Irish or even living

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in Ireland to contribute to scary error. Send you a

980
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:07,360
paranormal experience by email to Paranormal Ireland at ProtonMail dot

981
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,639
com Mark Manning.

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Speaker 10: My name is Matthew Clark and I'm with the Cork

983
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Supernatural Society. Our most recent investigation took us to a

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location called the Blackgates in County Cork, which is the

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ruins of an ancient churchyard said to be hunted by

986
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,239
demonic presence of a vicar who gave evidence against the

987
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,039
Irish Rebels to the British, and the Irish rebels ended

988
01:01:32,119 --> 01:01:35,119
up being executed with their heads cut off and put

989
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:37,840
on the gator. You can find out about the investigation

990
01:01:38,119 --> 01:01:41,960
by following us on Facebook or Instagram at Cork Supernatural

991
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,199
Society and we'll update any evidence caught on that investigation.

992
01:01:46,239 --> 01:01:48,480
We'll go up on ease of those pages. Follow us

993
01:01:48,519 --> 01:01:56,480
on Cork Supernatural Society on Facebook or Instagram.

994
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Speaker 1: Oh I do love the way Matthew makes beheading sounds

995
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:02,079
so absolutely casual. There they are. Chop the head off

996
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:03,719
and put them on a spike, a little bit like

997
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putting out the rubbish or making a drichine. I'm only Kidney, Matthew.

998
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:11,679
Thanks again Matthew from the Cork Supernatural Society, as well

999
01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:16,400
as PJ from Pooka Vogue and Old Paranormal Pants himself,

1000
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,559
Anthony of Ghost Era. Meant to hear from Jenny this

1001
01:02:19,599 --> 01:02:22,960
week as well from Emerald dial Paranormal, but she's a

1002
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,599
busy lady out with guided tours of Belfast and indeed

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Scotland this week, Jenny, I hope to hear what you've

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01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,519
been up to next episode. My thanks to my old

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01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:35,519
friend and great reader David McGlynn aka the Squire, as

1006
01:02:35,559 --> 01:02:38,599
well as the lovely Sarah Campbell. You can check her out,

1007
01:02:38,639 --> 01:02:42,480
go google her for voiceovers, et cetera. She's brilliant. Not

1008
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,360
to labor the point, but if you want to get

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in touch do so. Email Paranormal Ireland at ProtonMail dot com.

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I'm Mark Manning. Somebody has to be so long and

1011
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:54,280
thanks for all the fish. See you on the next

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01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,679
Scary Era, Scariera

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Speaker 9: Get Out, Get Out