Speaker 1: You see something, You're going to happen?
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: As you?
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, we got Mike
Speaker 1: with me from the Bunker podcast. We're gonna be talking
Speaker 1: some paranormal stuff. I'm very excited for this. But before
Speaker 1: we introduce him, going to introduce the rest of the
Speaker 1: reject So we got with me tonight.
Speaker 4: I got Brooke, What is going on?
Speaker 1: Brooke? How are you hi?
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. First, I want
Speaker 2: to shout out Vanessa. I'm wearing one of her Truth
Speaker 2: and Dye shirt so her link is in the bio.
Speaker 2: Make sure you go check her out and support her stuff.
Speaker 2: She's fantastic and you can find me on Instagram at
Speaker 2: Dark Food of podcast and wherever you get your podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to get into the spooky conversation tonight.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I figured you did enjoy that much.
Speaker 1: Thank you for making And we got my man Tyrone.
Speaker 1: What is going on to Rone? How are you good? Good?
Speaker 5: What's going on? Everybody? How you doing? Michael H. Everything
Speaker 5: you can find on me is on my.
Speaker 6: Website rebirth at theWord dot com. Actually just started my
Speaker 6: documentary today went to Rocky Eagle, f itg Mound.
Speaker 5: So got some stuff coming up.
Speaker 6: It's going to be exclusively exclusively on my Rumble account.
Speaker 5: So just look for a rebirth of the word on Rumble.
Speaker 1: That is awesome, man, Glad you're going to make that happen.
Speaker 1: And finally to the guest we got Mike, what is
Speaker 1: going on? Mike? How are you please let everybody know,
Speaker 1: like what your deal is about your show or anything
Speaker 1: you want to promote.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks, of course, good to see everybody. How's
Speaker 3: it going?
Speaker 1: Brook?
Speaker 3: So this is a this is quite an honor. I
Speaker 3: reached out actually to Nick and I asked, you know,
Speaker 3: you guys have many pernal investigators in your show. Was like,
Speaker 3: discover your show. I love it, and I was curious
Speaker 3: if you had anyone else on and you were just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: well you just come on and we'll discuss it. So
Speaker 3: I was like, oh damn, this is great. I've been
Speaker 3: a fan of the show for probably close to a year.
Speaker 3: So it's an honor here.
Speaker 4: It's cool. Thank you.
Speaker 1: So yeah, let's let people know, like, what what's your deal?
Speaker 1: I know you've got a podcast and everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the podcast a little bit of a hiatus.
Speaker 1: Right now, Yeah, I didn't. I didn't notice that. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I forgot. Yeah, the last episode was like February, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm getting into some different materials and do some
Speaker 3: research and stuff now. But yeah, but it's the Bunker.
Speaker 3: If he starts the Bunker paranormal pretty much on any podcast,
Speaker 3: you're gonna you're gonna find it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: I'm on Twitter as well in the Bunker cast. That's
Speaker 3: pretty much hit. As far as my online persona, I
Speaker 3: began investigating got into it back in two thousand and one.
Speaker 3: Two thousand and two, Range I moved into this huge,
Speaker 3: this huge house in we took New Jersey and it
Speaker 3: was the actually it's the Presbyterian Church Manson Building, So
Speaker 3: it was like the building that the minister would stay in.
Speaker 3: And it's an old old house, was built seventeen seventy six,
Speaker 3: and it was a carriage house, it was an inn,
Speaker 3: it was a person, it was a farm, it was
Speaker 3: a person of residence and everything, and eventually the church
Speaker 3: owned it. We got the opportunity to move in there
Speaker 3: because you know, some of my friends and I had
Speaker 3: grown up in that town just kept hearing you know,
Speaker 3: you grow up. We heard about the all the ghost
Speaker 3: stories about this house, this little ghost girl that was
Speaker 3: seen there, and this woman that had seen there. Everyone
Speaker 3: that has ever lived there, every minister, we would like
Speaker 3: like shaken him down, like, hey, you know, have you
Speaker 3: seen anything? And every individual that lived there had experiences
Speaker 3: and so we were super excited to move in there.
Speaker 3: So it was like two thousand and one ish s
Speaker 3: right around two thousand, two thousand and one, we moved
Speaker 3: in there for a year lease and the activity was
Speaker 3: immediate and it was all the.
Speaker 4: Time right away.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And we had spoken to to one of the
Speaker 3: groundskeepers later on and they said, yeah, you know, whenever
Speaker 3: someone just moves in or is just moving out, or
Speaker 3: if you're doing any kind of activity or changing the
Speaker 3: space around or anything, that's when activity goes nuts. And
Speaker 3: they were absolutely correct, because when we first moved in,
Speaker 3: it was off the charts. I mean there was like
Speaker 3: doors slamming, we had windows open and close. We at
Speaker 3: one point, the craziest experience in that place was my
Speaker 3: wife at the time and I are in the kitchen
Speaker 3: and we're sitting there having a conversation, getting ready to
Speaker 3: go to bed. It's late, you know, nine thirty ten
Speaker 3: o'clock and a friend of ours is standing with us
Speaker 3: in the kitchen and he's getting ready to leave out. The
Speaker 3: back door goes right behind him. Right above his head
Speaker 3: is a ceiling fan and it's on. It's spinning, and
Speaker 3: we're sitting there, you know, it's just kind of saying
Speaker 3: our goodby. It's a little small talk, and we hear
Speaker 3: a click, click, and the light that's on the ceiling
Speaker 3: fan goes off and you can clearly hear the chain
Speaker 3: like clinking. Yeah, the light bulb, you knowing King King.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as soon as you said that, I was like,
Speaker 4: picture of the yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: So we all he stops midsentence and just looks straight
Speaker 3: up and you can see the chain just swinging. He's like,
Speaker 3: that's it, I'm out, and he just turns around and leaves,
Speaker 3: and we were like, holy crap, like what that. So
Speaker 3: we turned the lights off. We were like, you know,
Speaker 3: we were a little freaked out for a little bit
Speaker 3: for obvious reasons. Eventually calm down. Now we're getting ready
Speaker 3: to go to bed, maybe an hour an hour and
Speaker 3: a half later, and we see what we thought was
Speaker 3: one of our daughters run through the dining room and
Speaker 3: into the like the front room towards the front door.
Speaker 3: And it's this funny thing about power them activity is
Speaker 3: when you witness it, most people think that don't kind
Speaker 3: of do it regularly. They think like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: it's so scary, it's gonna be you know, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be these jump scares all the stuff like you see
Speaker 3: in the movies. But it's not like that at all.
Speaker 3: I mean, you see, like we saw clearly saw a
Speaker 3: little girl that we just both assumed was our daughter,
Speaker 3: you know, run through the room and then give your
Speaker 3: brain about five or ten seconds to catch up, and
Speaker 3: then you realize like, oh, wait a minute, all the
Speaker 3: floors this house creaked. We didn't hear any floors creaking.
Speaker 3: We weren't moving. There was no sound at all. No
Speaker 3: lights went on, no doors closed or opened. No, there's
Speaker 3: no sound at all. And we were like, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: we should have heard. So we creep upstairs. Both our daughters,
Speaker 3: of course, are you know, sound asleep in bed. And
Speaker 3: it was kind of like that stuff like on a
Speaker 3: regular basis. And so it got to the point where
Speaker 3: I was just like I gotta you know, I have
Speaker 3: to figure this out. This is this is crazy like, well,
Speaker 3: I like, I like, my ex was freaked out. She
Speaker 3: was like like legitimately scared. I was kind of psyched
Speaker 3: about it, to be honest, but my daughter, but my
Speaker 3: ex was terrified. And so I was like, let me
Speaker 3: just look into this to see if I can figure out.
Speaker 3: I go online and I do some searches. I find
Speaker 3: there's a there's a group in Jersey, in South Jersey
Speaker 3: like investigates for people. And I was like, holy crap,
Speaker 3: there's people that do this. This was like right around
Speaker 3: the same time as like Ghost Hunters show came out,
Speaker 3: So I was like, man, there's people to actually do this.
Speaker 1: This is crazy.
Speaker 3: So so there was like a whole whole like application
Speaker 3: process and interview process and everything, and so, you know,
Speaker 3: I applied, got interviewed. It was pretty intense. I mean
Speaker 3: it was some heavy questioning. There were some like psychologists
Speaker 3: and like cops and stuff that were you know sort
Speaker 3: of behind the scenes, you know, like they generate the
Speaker 3: questions and stuff like that because they really want to
Speaker 3: figure out like are you mentally stable? Are you like
Speaker 3: you can be something that's gonna come in and it's
Speaker 3: gonna just freak out everything. Are you like mentally unwell,
Speaker 3: do you have like you know, personality issues, like anger issues,
Speaker 3: Like they really want to figure out because because the
Speaker 3: thing with the group is they're going to be welcome
Speaker 3: to some stranger's house to to help them with like
Speaker 3: some issues they're having, and they're already scared, they're already
Speaker 3: stressed out. There's no one else they can call. So
Speaker 3: they want to know that you got your head screwed
Speaker 3: on straight and you really are serious about it, and
Speaker 3: you're really gonna be you know, you know, you're not
Speaker 3: gonna make the situation worse. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: If you come in and freaked out and you see
Speaker 3: a shadow and you go run and screaming from the house,
Speaker 3: like that's gonna now, now the now, the house, the
Speaker 3: homeowners are twice as terrified. Oh oh my god. I
Speaker 3: call these guys in and they're scared, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean?
Speaker 4: Well, Iron can get away with that from Ghost Aventure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly exactly, And so so I joined the group.
Speaker 3: I was accepted. The training was like eleven months long,
Speaker 3: was almost the whole year of training, and that was like,
Speaker 3: you know, how to write reports, which I did as
Speaker 3: an MP, so that was no problem. For me how
Speaker 3: to use the equipment, uh, you know, identifying false positives.
Speaker 3: And then it was you know, it was a whole
Speaker 3: section on like interviews, like how to interview a client,
Speaker 3: you know, things to say not to say, you know,
Speaker 3: and there was actually the first class that we took
Speaker 3: was Psychic Protection class. And I was like, well, this
Speaker 3: is kind of weird because, like I said to you
Speaker 3: before the show, when I first got into this, the
Speaker 3: parent ALMOS stuff, I didn't believe in psychics, mediums none
Speaker 3: that I just I never happened to run into anyone
Speaker 3: that was legit one, so I thought that was all BS.
Speaker 3: So I almost enjoyed the group because I saw that
Speaker 3: they use equipment and scientific math and all this stuff.
Speaker 3: But they also used medium a psychist and I was like, ah,
Speaker 3: I can enjoy because of that because I'm like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: like this is kind of hokey.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you can even have somebody who's like
Speaker 1: I just got to fake the funks, so they keep
Speaker 1: me here.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I got entertained these people, so they keep me on
Speaker 1: the list. So I mean, you might just make shit up,
Speaker 1: or you just might be delusional. Anyway, you know I
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah. So so so the training was like,
Speaker 3: you know, eleven months long. Like I said, there's a
Speaker 3: whole test at the end and everything. And so I
Speaker 3: started investigating using the equipment, helping people out. We would
Speaker 3: we would do like personal cases, but we'd also do
Speaker 3: like historical homes stuff like that, and you know, help
Speaker 3: them raise money for fundraisers and stuff like that, because
Speaker 3: that's a pretty cool thing. We can we do it
Speaker 3: on our own. Now, just Beth and I, uh, going in.
Speaker 3: We'll investigate a place, We'll get some evidence, and then
Speaker 3: will whole little event, share the evidence, have a little fundraiser,
Speaker 3: and you can raise some money for the for the
Speaker 3: for the building and stuff like that. And it's also
Speaker 3: it's a cool way to like just practically equipment or
Speaker 3: if you get practice with it, figure out how works,
Speaker 3: get that practice techniques and stuff like that. But yeah,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of private cases, and I found that,
Speaker 3: like the longer I was investigating, I was starting to
Speaker 3: feel stuff and it was good that these other psychics,
Speaker 3: that people that were like practicing doing this stuff, and
Speaker 3: there were many legitimate ones in that group, by the way,
Speaker 3: being around them as as a guide. Was was great
Speaker 3: because I started noticing that I was like feeling stuff.
Speaker 3: I would like walk into a certain area of the
Speaker 3: house and I'd start and I would feel like dizzy,
Speaker 3: off balance and like kind of nauseous a little bit.
Speaker 3: I'd be like, oh man, what's going on? I'm thinking
Speaker 3: like how did I eat? You know? And but then
Speaker 3: what's weird is like, you know, I mentioned somebody because
Speaker 3: that's part of the training, like anything you see feels sense.
Speaker 3: You know, you call everything out right because you know
Speaker 3: you don't want to me any like suffering silence in
Speaker 3: the corner or something like that. You got a bunch
Speaker 3: of people in total darkness. You gotta keep track of everybody,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And so I move out
Speaker 3: of that area, feeling goes away, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 3: that's weird. And I just step outside for like two
Speaker 3: minutes and like feel totally fine, Like oh wow, okay,
Speaker 3: walk back into the same spot. Feeling comes back. So
Speaker 3: just so I started communicating with some of these other
Speaker 3: mediums and stuff, and I'm like, what the heck is
Speaker 3: going on? And they'd be like, oh, well, there's a
Speaker 3: there's a spirit stand over there that's you're probably just
Speaker 3: feeling that and like what and like, over time, it's
Speaker 3: like as I kept investigating and getting this guidance and
Speaker 3: advice from, you know, from like these practicing psychics at
Speaker 3: the same time seeing equipment go off corresponding to what
Speaker 3: they're saying, and then later on going through evidence and
Speaker 3: then finding evidence of you know, like this is oh,
Speaker 3: like hey, this vestciator said there's a there was a
Speaker 3: woman with us in the room, and then you low
Speaker 3: the behold. You go back over your recordings and you've
Speaker 3: got this female voice chiming in, like I'm having a
Speaker 3: conversation with Joe over there, and there's this extra voice
Speaker 3: popping in and it's like answering us at some point
Speaker 3: it's like intelligent responses. So yeah, exactly, yeah, which you know,
Speaker 3: the EVP is by definition that's like something your recorder
Speaker 3: picks up that no one heard with their ear. And
Speaker 3: another interesting thing with that, thanks for bringing up, is
Speaker 3: is I started I started hearing stuff like crazy that
Speaker 3: that other people recorded but didn't hear. And with the
Speaker 3: with the with the director at the group basically said
Speaker 3: it was like, you know, everyone has kind of has
Speaker 3: their thing. You know, everyone has like the either a
Speaker 3: certain piece of equipment that they have a lot of
Speaker 3: success with, or they'll have a certain feeling, like they'll
Speaker 3: hear really good the heal stuff no one else hears,
Speaker 3: or they'll just feel stuff that no one else feels,
Speaker 3: or you know, they'll actually see things in their mind's
Speaker 3: eye or whatever. And so my thing, I seem to
Speaker 3: be like just hearing stuff because I started hearing voices
Speaker 3: like crazy that I'd be in a room full of
Speaker 3: people and I would hear a stream loud as hell,
Speaker 3: and I'd be like, whoa, you guys hear that? No,
Speaker 3: and you're four or five other people in the room
Speaker 3: didn't hear it, you know. And you'd also have sometimes
Speaker 3: two three recorders in the room, the exact same brand recorder,
Speaker 3: all recording sitting on the you know, on the table
Speaker 3: next to each other. One of those recorders will pick
Speaker 3: it up and the other two don't, or two will
Speaker 3: pick it up and one won't. Like over time doing this,
Speaker 3: it's like doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason
Speaker 3: to it. And I think a lot of people that investigate,
Speaker 3: the longer they investigate, the they sort of become occulted.
Speaker 3: And you know, with That's sort of the the overall
Speaker 3: topic of the of tonight is if if it's what
Speaker 3: we're doing with equipment we go into a space, or
Speaker 3: we're trying to communicate, it's divination. Like if if whether
Speaker 3: whether you're using an Ouiji board or a compass or
Speaker 3: dowsing rods or of rimpod or some other electromagnetic device,
Speaker 3: you know, you're basically you're basically defining You're like you're
Speaker 3: you're literally directly trying to communicate with spirits.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess like the same thing.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it'll be a little bit more drastic,
Speaker 1: but like if I'm trying to call TOAF or to
Speaker 1: HOODI or whatever down to help with the talisman, I
Speaker 1: mean what difference. I mean, I'm going through a lot more.
Speaker 1: I'm doing a ritual, but I mean you guys are
Speaker 1: calling for something too and trying to get proof of it.
Speaker 1: That's interesting exactly. I looked at it like that.
Speaker 5: Using Luisi board. That about using Theisi board for example.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's why I was like, oh that's interesting.
Speaker 3: Yea, there is a go ahead.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I was gonna say, it's really interesting. You
Speaker 2: bring up the feelings of it too. So I also
Speaker 2: go out and do paranormal investigations and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And it hasn't been until I've really gotten into it
Speaker 2: and have allowed myself to be more open that I
Speaker 2: started having feelings too. And I never had thought of
Speaker 2: myself as a sensitive or anything like that. But I
Speaker 2: think the more you raise your vibration, you become aware
Speaker 2: of these things and you kind of dial in, you
Speaker 2: can hit this other frequency and start feeling things and
Speaker 2: experiencing things that I think maybe other people miss or
Speaker 2: numb themselves, or just they're not in the mental state
Speaker 2: to receive. And that's a real thing. You can be
Speaker 2: standing in an area and just this overwhelming nausea will
Speaker 2: come over you and it's kind of strange when you
Speaker 2: experience it. And then, like you said, you go outside
Speaker 2: or you change the location and then it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I feel ten million times better, like a weight has
Speaker 2: been lifted. Oh, thankfully you had a good guides to
Speaker 2: kind of help you through that and you weren't navigating
Speaker 2: that on your own.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, and it's good it was, and like a
Speaker 3: professional sort of approach to it because because everything that
Speaker 3: everything we did, everything that we experienced, we tried to.
Speaker 3: We try to duplicate it like right away, like like
Speaker 3: the example I gave walking into a certain area of
Speaker 3: room and all of a sudden, I someone throw up.
Speaker 3: I walk away, I feel fine. I grab another investigator,
Speaker 3: he can go. Can you just go over there? You
Speaker 3: don't tell them what you've sensed, You don't tell them
Speaker 3: what you feel, and don't want to lead them or
Speaker 3: you know, put something in their head, but you want
Speaker 3: to just say, yeah, just could you just go stand
Speaker 3: over there for a second and let them go stand
Speaker 3: over there? Okay, Oh yeah, I feel I feel weird,
Speaker 3: I feel sick over here. Okay, let them move out
Speaker 3: of the way, get somebody else in there. And so
Speaker 3: you just keep doing that and verifying it, and then
Speaker 3: you know, you're writing these reports, so you're like accounting
Speaker 3: for every minute of the day, you know, like so
Speaker 3: and so three rooms down, drop the flash light at
Speaker 3: eight oh seven, like oh, someone in another room, I
Speaker 3: thought I heard a bump or whatever. And their report
Speaker 3: they're gonna be like, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I heard that's really that's impressive. Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is so important we do that when we
Speaker 2: do investigations as well, especially while out with the BFRO.
Speaker 2: So that way, you're right. When you have other groups,
Speaker 2: you can cross it out. And but so say you
Speaker 2: all heard that at eight oh seven, but you heard
Speaker 2: a scream or a knock at eight twelve and no
Speaker 2: one else did. That's when you can really pinpoint those
Speaker 2: moments of activity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, exactly, And there's and there's all these techniques
Speaker 3: for you know, even recording like it's you know, everyone
Speaker 3: is told, like you know, to just be into our heads.
Speaker 3: Do not ever whisper under no circumstances you want you
Speaker 3: don't want to be loud and crazy and an investigation
Speaker 3: excuse me, obviously, but you don't want to whisper either.
Speaker 3: If you're gonna if you have to say something or talk,
Speaker 3: you just do it a normal tone of voice. That way,
Speaker 3: later on in recording, it's really easy to identify, Oh
Speaker 3: that's Mike, Oh yeah, he drops flashly, or my tummy
Speaker 3: made a weird noise. So you can be surprised that
Speaker 3: some of these real sensitive recorders you get like a
Speaker 3: little belly grumble. It sounds like a demon.
Speaker 1: Just you know, I hear that stuff out of people
Speaker 1: on podcasts. No lies, I'm sure, I'm sure that happens
Speaker 1: with the recording. I just gonna keep it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I wonder what that I can't approach it, yeah,
Speaker 3: real professionally, because you know, you need to account for
Speaker 3: everything so you can rule the normal stuff out. And
Speaker 3: and when you when you work really hard to work
Speaker 3: and you know, weed out all the normal stuff, what
Speaker 3: you're left with is like, you know, it's more impressive,
Speaker 3: and it's it's it's more fits into the category of
Speaker 3: like unexplained or paranormal.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm smoking.
Speaker 2: You can't smoke, no, because it could be mistaken for
Speaker 2: misted like or or spirit or we'll have Hey, we'll
Speaker 2: have a designated smoking area.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be tons of gummies. Sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's it's it's yeah, it's just like you know,
Speaker 3: I've been thinking a lot about it lately. It's it's
Speaker 3: it's a lot of people get into this. And you
Speaker 3: mentioned a no ago brooke, like the more you sitting
Speaker 3: in a poleate darkness and or you know, and everyone
Speaker 3: is silent and you get like your mouth, you know,
Speaker 3: your like mouse here and kind of tunes in when
Speaker 3: it's real quiet for a long time, and you you
Speaker 3: can you can hear a lot more. But one of
Speaker 3: the things they told us right in the beginning of
Speaker 3: the training was that like everyone's psychic. Everybody's psychic. That's
Speaker 3: not a special thing. There are there are certain individuals
Speaker 3: that are more gifted or have worked harder at it
Speaker 3: and have worked that muscle, so to speak, uh, and
Speaker 3: have gained some some some skill at that. But they
Speaker 3: basically told us that everyone's psychic. Like you're gonna you're
Speaker 3: gonna go into locations and you're gonna feel weird. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and you're gonna sense things. You're gonna just gonna bad
Speaker 3: feeling about something. Hey this this this room feels weird. Uh.
Speaker 3: And that still happens to me to this day after
Speaker 3: investigating for years and years. There's certain areas I'll walk
Speaker 3: into it and I'm just like, yeah, no, I'm not
Speaker 3: going in there. That's something there. It doesn't want to
Speaker 3: be messed with. We're just gonna leave it alone. But uh,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's it's the more you flex that that muscle,
Speaker 3: the more you will. You know, It's just like going
Speaker 3: to the gym working out, you're gonna get You're gonna
Speaker 3: come stronger, faster, more dexterous, whatever you're working on, uh,
Speaker 3: with the with the psychic stuff seems to be exactly
Speaker 3: the same. And the more you do it and the
Speaker 3: more you sort of like when you're sitting in dark
Speaker 3: for hours, like your sight kind of goes into the background,
Speaker 3: you know, then you're hearing, your senses and everything else
Speaker 3: kind of kind of expands. And there's loads and loads
Speaker 3: of times that there are crazy, crazy experiences that aren't
Speaker 3: caught on any cameras, that are called on any recorders,
Speaker 3: no devices go off. It's just a personal experience and
Speaker 3: that's it. And you know, the hope is that you
Speaker 3: find also evidence that backs up some of that stuff.
Speaker 3: And it does happen sometimes, but it's, uh, it's a
Speaker 3: little it's it's on the rare side, unfortunately.
Speaker 1: Maybe you just have any questions or anything.
Speaker 2: I just totally is, oh, go ahead, No, I was
Speaker 2: just gonna say, I completely agree with that statement. Is
Speaker 2: that I think the more you flex it and the
Speaker 2: more you tune in, the better you kind of tune that.
Speaker 3: Dial absolutely.
Speaker 5: Asked what's your favorite paranormal movie?
Speaker 1: It was an idea what's going on in ahead of yours?
Speaker 1: Depending on what you say. Easy, It's like Texas chainswell mask.
Speaker 4: Really it's not paranormal uh.
Speaker 1: Sho.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I don't really look any of them.
Speaker 4: I Yo, the ones they've made in the last ten
Speaker 4: years kind of suck.
Speaker 1: I'll be totally honest with you.
Speaker 3: I think that I think the first paranormal activity was
Speaker 3: pretty good. You're pretty good.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: It's not one of my favorite, but you know what
Speaker 1: freaked me the fuck out all but no problem admitting
Speaker 1: this fucking Blair Witch because I was I was under
Speaker 1: the impression. I went and sort of like on the
Speaker 1: night he came out and everybody was like, Oh, this
Speaker 1: ship's supposed to be real, and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: what the fuck. I was like, call that shit's real?
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 4: And then the next day I was sounding something about it,
Speaker 4: like Yo, that ship's not real.
Speaker 1: It's fake, and I was like, all right, thanks God.
Speaker 3: Amazing marketing campaign for that movie. Ye man, Yeah, that
Speaker 3: was that was pretty freaky. I like, you know, I
Speaker 3: like the that they tried to like it really seemed real.
Speaker 3: Some of it, like it seemed like real footage and stuff.
Speaker 4: The reason I even brought that up because when you
Speaker 4: said pattern onmal activity.
Speaker 1: It was all done with camcorder. It made me think
Speaker 1: of Blair Witch again.
Speaker 6: Well, well, since you said you don't really like any
Speaker 6: any of them, what what makes you dislike him? Because
Speaker 6: I know, like me being in a military, if I
Speaker 6: watched something I have that's like a military movie, I
Speaker 6: can look at himbody, Yeah, that's just pretty fair. Uniform
Speaker 6: is messed up. You know, I could tell if there's
Speaker 6: it just throws off the mood. Right, So what what
Speaker 6: is it that you see a lot that just like
Speaker 6: no that I can't.
Speaker 3: You know, you know, it's a what kind of annoys
Speaker 3: me about the whole power romals from the general and
Speaker 3: just television the television portrayal of it is like it's
Speaker 3: always the fear based stuff. It's like always fear, it's
Speaker 3: always a demon. It's always like you know, hell opens
Speaker 3: up and here it comes like and it's always it's
Speaker 3: reflecting in society as well. I mean you I'm sure
Speaker 3: you guys are aware that you know, after the Extius
Speaker 3: movie came out, like extracism is like explode or all
Speaker 3: over the place all of a sudden, right, I mean
Speaker 3: we kind of see that, we see that with other
Speaker 3: investigators that we we we don't have our own group.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of it's just Beth and I, but
Speaker 3: we we go to other different groups that you need
Speaker 3: extra hands or whatever that ask us for help. And
Speaker 3: so we made contact with a lot of other investigators
Speaker 3: in the in you know, around the area and stuff.
Speaker 3: End up investigating with some of them, and I'm just like, man,
Speaker 3: I like, I'll have to try just start to walk
Speaker 3: out because I'm what in the hell is going on
Speaker 3: because they'll just be talking crazy like everything's evil, everything's
Speaker 3: a deemed. It's like I I'm pretty sure I've seen one,
Speaker 3: but I mean it was once and it wasn't an investigation.
Speaker 2: We can't just gloss over that piece from you describe
Speaker 2: what this alleged demon looks like.
Speaker 4: I was gonna go back to that, go back to
Speaker 4: that it was messed up, so they look like as modis.
Speaker 3: I'll try and describe at the end of I'll try
Speaker 3: to describe what it looked like, but I don't know
Speaker 3: if I'll be able to do it justice certainly, but
Speaker 3: so so A couple of friends of ours are investigators
Speaker 3: as well, and they handle like more of the darker cases,
Speaker 3: more negative stuff, and some a couple of individuals was
Speaker 3: It was a woman that I worked with years ago,
Speaker 3: reached out and she was worried about her her sister
Speaker 3: that had some had some issues. She went, I think
Speaker 3: this story was that her sister went out investigating in
Speaker 3: the woods by herself, found this this old abandoned house
Speaker 3: and was exploring it and just became obsessed with this
Speaker 3: place and just kept going back over and over and
Speaker 3: over and over and over again. And what's interesting is
Speaker 3: when she was telling us the story later, I got
Speaker 3: the impression that there was something trying to prevent her
Speaker 3: from going there, because she said and she's kind of
Speaker 3: said it in passing, but like we interviewed her about
Speaker 3: it later and more of the details came out. As
Speaker 3: she's walking to this place, like branches are falling in
Speaker 3: her way, and you know, like an animal runs by.
Speaker 3: Like all this weird stuff happened like on her way
Speaker 3: to this house, Like I mean, like stuff like branches,
Speaker 3: big branches were falling out of trees and landa ran
Speaker 3: in front of her. Happened a couple of times. Now
Speaker 3: I thought of it later, like, man, so I think
Speaker 3: I was friendly stopping from going there, Like stuff just
Speaker 3: kept happening in front of her. So a long story short,
Speaker 3: she goes back to this house over and over and
Speaker 3: over again and starts acting strange, and like her sister
Speaker 3: becomes becomes concerned because she's not acting herself. She's you know,
Speaker 3: she's like look strange, you like, her eyes look different,
Speaker 3: and so she starts saying some like really concerning stuff
Speaker 3: and came to us, And so we contacted our other
Speaker 3: friends that deal with more negative things and said, you know,
Speaker 3: how about just meet us at this place, you know,
Speaker 3: and you're just gonna just, you know, spend some time
Speaker 3: with her, have a conversation with her, see if she
Speaker 3: would like our help and stuff like that, and just
Speaker 3: kind of just passively. And this woman is like extremely
Speaker 3: like she'd been training mediums for years and years and years,
Speaker 3: so she won't she'd be the one to like have
Speaker 3: a normal conversation with her. But at the same time,
Speaker 3: kind of try and tune in and see what's going
Speaker 3: on like behind the scenes, you know. And so they
Speaker 3: come over and they have a lot of conversation. She
Speaker 3: ended up refusing the help, which was interesting. And as
Speaker 3: they're leaving, and I wasn't trying to tune in or anything.
Speaker 3: I was just kind of just sitting there, just taking
Speaker 3: it in because I knew them already. As they're leaving,
Speaker 3: the sister opens the door to the place we were
Speaker 3: at and then just like takes one last look and
Speaker 3: turn towards me to look at me. And her skin
Speaker 3: was looked like gray or green. It was her whole
Speaker 3: skin color changed. Her eyes were completely different, did not
Speaker 3: look like her eyes at all, and her teeth looked
Speaker 3: like almost like sharp teeth. And this was like a flash,
Speaker 3: like just right in my face and like right out
Speaker 3: of nowhere. And I was like, and I must have
Speaker 3: had a reaction. I mean, I I feel like I
Speaker 3: had it. I reacted. You try not to in those situations,
Speaker 3: but like it was, it scared the hell at me.
Speaker 3: And then she just like turned and walked out. And
Speaker 3: I mentioned it later and the other medium was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I saw that. I saw that too. It was it's
Speaker 3: kind of concerning now what exactly that is, you know,
Speaker 3: I said the d work. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I saw.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: I can tell you I've never seen anything like that
Speaker 3: before that or or since, and I hope I don't,
Speaker 3: because it was awful. And like I said, it was
Speaker 3: an instantaneous thing. It was like this purse this girl's
Speaker 3: face one second and then boom, this other thing just
Speaker 3: laid like overly on it. And it was it was
Speaker 3: it was you know, people ask me all the time
Speaker 3: that was the scariest thing you ever had on an investigation, Like, well,
Speaker 3: it wasn't on an investigation like it was. It was
Speaker 3: this thing. I don't know what it was, but yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, as far as I know, she has not
Speaker 3: received any help as of as of yet, so.
Speaker 2: Sort of sounds like a potential reptilian as well.
Speaker 3: It kind of looked something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was freaking weird.
Speaker 1: Alma Toma Gold, get the motherfucker out of there, I'll
Speaker 1: tell Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted to try to like that actually with
Speaker 3: the exorcisms and stuff like that, and you know, there's
Speaker 3: there's the people there, like speaking Latin and doing all
Speaker 3: that stuff, and we're just kind of there holding space
Speaker 3: and you know, just assisting. But but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's some dark stuff out there. I didn't believe in.
Speaker 3: I didn't believe in exorcisms before I started investigating either,
Speaker 3: to be honest, I thought it was a cool movie.
Speaker 3: I love the exorcistm movie. Uh, but uh, I didn't
Speaker 3: think that any of that stuff was real at all.
Speaker 3: And uh I believe now for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, that is wild.
Speaker 6: You know, before we even started going live, we were
Speaker 6: talking about what, you know, if I was interested in
Speaker 6: this stuff, and I'm definitely, And I always try to
Speaker 6: connect everything back to, you know, the the history part,
Speaker 6: like the Sumerians, since that's like my favorite civilization and
Speaker 6: learned about and they and you know that that those
Speaker 6: the Samerians and Akkadians had a certain word for get
Speaker 6: them or eat them. New it's basically the same thing
Speaker 6: like spirits or ghosts or something like that. Underworld and
Speaker 6: stuff like that. They have their own underworld. But what's
Speaker 6: interesting is is I also try to find things scientifically too,
Speaker 6: Like I can know what the ancient people said because
Speaker 6: they wrote it down based off of their understanding, but
Speaker 6: now I want to know if science was able to
Speaker 6: kind of in a way prove it. And a couple
Speaker 6: of years ago, I think it was during when COVID started.
Speaker 6: Actually I read this article about what they call it
Speaker 6: is the demon face syndrome. There's an actual medical term
Speaker 6: for it, but I don't know how to say it
Speaker 6: or correctly. It starts with the P, I think it is.
Speaker 5: Let me see, it starts with the P.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and yeah and I you know, And that's
Speaker 6: what makes me always say that you can't tell anybody
Speaker 6: what they're experiencing, because there could be positively out there,
Speaker 6: you know, paranormal entities and stuff like that out there,
Speaker 6: but there can also be people who have medical conditions
Speaker 6: that can show that kind of thing, and the demon
Speaker 6: face would probably be something like that.
Speaker 5: You know, somebody's walking.
Speaker 6: Around with that condition, and then you know they think
Speaker 6: they're having you know, for one, people are telling them
Speaker 6: they having them some kind of psychotic breakthrough or going
Speaker 6: crazy or something like that, or whether you know, they're
Speaker 6: making it up or something like that, they need to
Speaker 6: be put on medication and this that, and the third
Speaker 6: amount understand that's happening. And then there's our people who's
Speaker 6: actually having experiences with that stuff.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 5: I know, my mom told me she's a medium, so
Speaker 5: I definitely can believe this stuff.
Speaker 6: So it's just amazing to me that I was able
Speaker 6: to in some way find not just you know, the
Speaker 6: explanation on you know, personal experiences, but also scientifically, if
Speaker 6: there's a you know, if there's a condition that can
Speaker 6: you know, portray that in a way to some people?
Speaker 3: Oh undred percent. Yeah, there's a there's actually a I
Speaker 3: think it's fifty four questions now the questionnaire we send out.
Speaker 3: If someone reaches out and you know, and it's having
Speaker 3: issues in their home or the business or whatever and
Speaker 3: they want us to come out and investigate, we send
Speaker 3: like just a huge list of all these questions. And
Speaker 3: part of that is, you know, are you want any medications?
Speaker 3: Are you you know, using alcoholic drugs? Like you know,
Speaker 3: and all this stuff is kept confidential. It's not shared
Speaker 3: with anywhere with anybody. It's destroyed after the after the fact.
Speaker 3: But it's but we have to know what we're walking
Speaker 3: into because, like you said, it could be we could
Speaker 3: be walking into, uh, you know, a medical situation. And
Speaker 3: so it's always good to have people, you know on
Speaker 3: the team that are either paramedics, nurses, doctors, you know, psychologists,
Speaker 3: cops like all that. You know, all these people investigate
Speaker 3: and their own groups out there, and it's good to
Speaker 3: have them there because if you're dealing with a medical situation,
Speaker 3: we're like some people are there there you go. Yeah,
Speaker 3: some people are having you know, reactions to medications and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. It can, it can make you hallucinate.
Speaker 3: There's even a I heard a lot of people talk
Speaker 3: about this electromagnetic sensitivity, which is also something that if
Speaker 3: you if you're if you have terrible wiring in your
Speaker 3: house and you're just just ambient electromagnetic fields in your
Speaker 3: home or like out of control all over the place.
Speaker 3: It's a can it can. It can really mess you up.
Speaker 3: I mean it can.
Speaker 1: It can.
Speaker 3: It can make you hallucinate, it can. It can give
Speaker 3: you like skin rashes, like make you feel paranoid. Some
Speaker 3: people are very very sensitive to that. And uh and yeah,
Speaker 3: the medical part of it is like so so important,
Speaker 3: especially you know if there's a psychological issue going on
Speaker 3: in addition to because sometimes you have like psychological issues,
Speaker 3: mental issues, you got drug issues, you have like uh,
Speaker 3: they'll they'll oftentimes be like uh be domestic issues because
Speaker 3: of no one's sleeping and so they are like all
Speaker 3: on edge and everyone's fighting. So the energy level sometimes
Speaker 3: you walk in there's just like oh my god. You
Speaker 3: don't even have to be a medium to feel like
Speaker 3: holy shit, this is what's going on in this house,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. And and sometimes you know,
Speaker 3: we'll go in and we'll do a scan and the
Speaker 3: EMFs will be off the chart, and and we'll just
Speaker 3: tell them, like, look, bring electrician in here, and you
Speaker 3: got to get this fixed because you don't want all
Speaker 3: this radiation all over the place. It could be could
Speaker 3: completely messing you up. And it also seems to make
Speaker 3: activity increase as well. Uh. Some people theorize that like,
Speaker 3: oh that's yeah, that's just more ambient energy in the
Speaker 3: atmosphere force something to draw from them to manifest. I
Speaker 3: can't prove it, but it's a pretty good theory. It
Speaker 3: seems to be seems to be true. I mean, I
Speaker 3: know for sure. We've gone into homes and people that
Speaker 3: have EMFs off the charts and like they're they're just
Speaker 3: a mess. Can't sleep, you know, they have like these
Speaker 3: spad machines are awful for EMF that people have them
Speaker 3: the break by their bed, you know, because they need
Speaker 3: them to sleep, to breathe. But when you turn those
Speaker 3: things on, man, like some of them are just like
Speaker 3: not shielded that grade and there's just EMFs off the
Speaker 3: charts and it's right by your head while you're trying
Speaker 3: to sleep, and that can that can mess.
Speaker 6: You up because a lot of a lot of them
Speaker 6: are hooked up to Bluetooth machine. I have one and
Speaker 6: it hooks up to it's always setting me out on information. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't use it because I can't, but yeah, it's
Speaker 6: hard to use it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they are.
Speaker 2: So I had a question. You said that every researcher
Speaker 2: kind of has their favorite piece of technology that they use.
Speaker 2: So what are you really into taking out in the
Speaker 2: field with you now or what have you found has
Speaker 2: been giving you the best results for you.
Speaker 3: It's a good question. When I first got into it,
Speaker 3: I was all about the equipment. I was like, I
Speaker 3: just wanted to every piece of equipment. I want to
Speaker 3: learn about it, you know. And we had some pretty
Speaker 3: pretty crazy, pretty pretty crazy sensitive equipment with us when
Speaker 3: we first started out, and I kind of got out
Speaker 3: of hand for a little bit. It took away from
Speaker 3: the focus of, you know, the actual process of investigating
Speaker 3: and finding evidence and sensing more. Because it's another thing
Speaker 3: they told was that you're your biggest instrument, Like you
Speaker 3: can have the equipment and all that stuff is great.
Speaker 3: It's like for just there for verification for some extra
Speaker 3: validation for something. But you're your biggest instrument. And so
Speaker 3: these days, honestly, I've whiddered it down to like I'll
Speaker 3: have a couple of motion sensors. I'll have like a rempod,
Speaker 3: I'll have some we have a couple of static detectors,
Speaker 3: very sense of static detectors, and we like those just
Speaker 3: just a couple of things to kind of just measure
Speaker 3: the variables in the environment. And you know, in a recorder.
Speaker 3: All sometimes I'll film just with my phone. I don't
Speaker 3: really get into the cameras all that much. I'm so
Speaker 3: anal about the audio that that's just that in itself
Speaker 3: is like hours and hours and hours after doing investigating
Speaker 3: and going through the audio and just combing through it
Speaker 3: and making sure you don't miss things. But I mean,
Speaker 3: a good recorder and just you know, you have to
Speaker 3: have a good flashlight. That's I think the most important
Speaker 3: piece of equipment in common sense too. My god, you
Speaker 3: have to because you get some of these public events
Speaker 3: and you're in there with a bunch of people that
Speaker 3: are aren't investigating, are kind of aren't serious about it,
Speaker 3: and they're super jumpy, and every time there's a noise.
Speaker 3: They're jumping and freaking out, screaming and run. It's like,
Speaker 3: you know you're missing. So are people that have just
Speaker 3: these like loud ass spirit boxes that are just like
Speaker 3: cranking all this noise so annoying because you're not here
Speaker 3: and all the other stuff that's going on, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, because all you hear is freaking noise
Speaker 3: out of this radio screaming. Not that it's I mean,
Speaker 3: you can use that for some stuff, but you know,
Speaker 3: I use those things very very seldom, and I keep
Speaker 3: it to basics. A couple of emotion sensors, like a
Speaker 3: rampot or something like that as a trigger object, And
Speaker 3: the hope is that you go in there and you
Speaker 3: can get communication back and forth, like you'll turn on
Speaker 3: the rampod is like a it's RAM. It's RAM. It
Speaker 3: stands for a radiating electromagnetic What it does is just
Speaker 3: creates a little sort of bubble of EMF around its antenna,
Speaker 3: and when something makes that field, it will have a
Speaker 3: little alarm. So the hope is that like you get
Speaker 3: something to touch it for a yes, or two touches
Speaker 3: for yes, one touch for no, or something like that,
Speaker 3: and you start asking questions and getting interaction in between
Speaker 3: and hopefully catching audio at the same time. That's the hope.
Speaker 3: But but yeah, I whittled down what I bring into
Speaker 3: the field, like I have one little case with me,
Speaker 3: and that's really it too much equipment. It's it takes
Speaker 3: your focus off what's going on, because, like I said,
Speaker 3: nine times out of ten, you're gonna see the thing,
Speaker 3: feel it, hear it, whatever, and the equipment's not gonna
Speaker 3: pick it up most.
Speaker 1: Of the time. I like that I could get that.
Speaker 6: I was somebody one time that if you if you
Speaker 6: go out there seeking these things, you're opening yourself up
Speaker 6: to something coming to hunt you.
Speaker 5: Have you ever had that happen to you.
Speaker 3: Yes, And it's always been when I let my guard
Speaker 3: down and being a dumbass. Basically, like I said, when
Speaker 3: the training started, the first thing that they the first
Speaker 3: class that we had was psychic protection, and it was
Speaker 3: a process of like visual visualization, meditation and you know,
Speaker 3: finding finding a visual sort of meditation picturing something around
Speaker 3: yourself or you know certain god or gossis, picturing armor
Speaker 3: forming on yourself, like a Knight armor. I knew somebody
Speaker 3: investigated and they would picture Ironman suit just forming up
Speaker 3: around themselves or mirrors all around yourself. It could be.
Speaker 3: It's a different thing for different people. And some people
Speaker 3: get into you know, some serious, some serious like energetic
Speaker 3: like witchcraft type protections, talismans and stuff like that. Some
Speaker 3: of the people are like really really into it. There
Speaker 3: is a there's an individual that has you know, like
Speaker 3: a certain set of amulets of all different you know,
Speaker 3: types of stone or whatever, and has imbued these things
Speaker 3: meditated with them, and I stay for you know, to
Speaker 3: provide extra protection because it's connected to either a deity
Speaker 3: or you know, a loved one, something positive and almost
Speaker 3: like a patronis if you want to think about that
Speaker 3: from Harry Potter. It's something positive that you can surround
Speaker 3: yourself with that will actually repel these things, because I mean,
Speaker 3: if you're if you're a dipshit and you just go
Speaker 3: in a place and you don't you're not writing your head,
Speaker 3: you're drunk or like messed up, like you're in a
Speaker 3: bad mood. You go into a place like it's got
Speaker 3: some seriously intense energy going on. It might not even
Speaker 3: be an entity, but it might just zack you. It
Speaker 3: might completely sap you. I mean, like the most intense,
Speaker 3: most intense investigation I ever went on was in South Jersey,
Speaker 3: and the people that did the prelim interview were like
Speaker 3: telling horror stories about how like dirty the place was,
Speaker 3: and so we were like, Okay, we're not really gonna
Speaker 3: want to sit down on anything or like put our
Speaker 3: equipment everywhere if it's a little dirty, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, or gross or whatever. But like so we're
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how we're gonna do this. It
Speaker 3: was me and I think five other investigators. We went
Speaker 3: to the house and as soon as well, actually before
Speaker 3: you can get in the house, we pull up to
Speaker 3: the driveway, I get out of the car, and I
Speaker 3: swear that, like the whole place, the whole area around
Speaker 3: the house was dark, like darker than the rest of
Speaker 3: the neighborhood. It was like a like a little cul
Speaker 3: de sac, and there were street lights everywhere. It was
Speaker 3: street light in the head in the house. I could
Speaker 3: see a street light in the backyard, but it just
Speaker 3: like the light just didn't seem like it was as
Speaker 3: bright as all you have the lights around, if that
Speaker 3: makes any sense. And I'm like, oh man, that's ominous,
Speaker 3: Like it just looked it just looked dark. So we
Speaker 3: walk up to the door and we're greeted by like
Speaker 3: the homeowners, but then all these other people were there
Speaker 3: and we're like, what are these people doing here? What's
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 1: It was weird. It was just weird.
Speaker 3: So we walk in the house and when they say
Speaker 3: it was dirty, it like it was beyond. Like there
Speaker 3: was there was a there was a probably four dogs,
Speaker 3: several cats. I'm sure I smelled cats, but I didn't
Speaker 3: see any. But I mean they were just like urinating
Speaker 3: and defecating everywhere everywhere. And the people are living are
Speaker 3: walking around and bare feet, yeah, and looking at their
Speaker 3: The guy sits down in the chair and puts his
Speaker 3: like crosses his leg and puts his foot up and
Speaker 3: the bottom of his foot is like black, completely black,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, what the heck? And so they started
Speaker 3: looking around and I started noticing stuff. There's there's crap
Speaker 3: everywhere all over the place, and we're looking at them
Speaker 3: and they're like they're not even phased. And we talked
Speaker 3: about it afterwards after we left, and we were like, man,
Speaker 3: they were really seriously affected, because like they were they
Speaker 3: were acting like everything was totally normal, like nothing was wrong.
Speaker 3: So we're in there in the leader of the of
Speaker 3: the group was speaking to the homeowners, and there was
Speaker 3: and she was trying to gently tell them like, look,
Speaker 3: you know, we'd love to come in and investigate, but
Speaker 3: like we you know, we we think you would be
Speaker 3: better like if you, you know, like cleaned up a
Speaker 3: little bit, like got rid of some of the FECs
Speaker 3: everywhere and stuff like that. And it was like she
Speaker 3: was telling them this, and it was they were acting
Speaker 3: as we as if they didn't even know it was there.
Speaker 3: It was the weirdest thing, I swear to god. So
Speaker 3: they were deeply, deeply affected. I don't know what was
Speaker 3: going on in this house. We found out later there was.
Speaker 3: There was. There was seriously dark stuff, which craft wise,
Speaker 3: going on in the bedroom upstairs and in the backyard.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go in the backyard. I don't
Speaker 3: know what was back there, but it it was. It
Speaker 3: was awful. It just made me feel disgusting. But anyway,
Speaker 3: so so the so the leader of the group is
Speaker 3: over there talking to them, and I'm standing off in
Speaker 3: the back next to the stairwell leading up to this bedroom.
Speaker 3: We're all this crazy. I don't know what they did
Speaker 3: some ritual work. Uh where all that took place? And
Speaker 3: I'm standing there and I can hear a full on,
Speaker 3: like wrestling match going on in the bedroom and there's
Speaker 3: like boom boom boom, and it sounds like someone you know,
Speaker 3: like jumping off a bed and hitting the floor and
Speaker 3: all this chaos. And I'm looking around and the investigator
Speaker 3: next to me is me like the eyes like yeah,
Speaker 3: I hear that, and no one else heard it, so
Speaker 3: we're like okay. So they were engaging in conversation over here.
Speaker 3: So I was like, let's let's go just check this
Speaker 3: out because there's got to be somebody up there. So
Speaker 3: we you know, I grab my flashlight. She follows me up.
Speaker 3: We go upstairs and there's this continuous like boom boom,
Speaker 3: slamming and all this stuff. Get up to the top
Speaker 3: of the stairs, open up the door, and it stops dead.
Speaker 3: I mean, like shit out of a moo. I'm like,
Speaker 3: this is not happening. There's no one in the room.
Speaker 3: There was no other exits out of the room, there's
Speaker 3: no no there's no open windows, and no one jumped
Speaker 3: out the window. It sounded like two grown men were
Speaker 3: like beating the crap out of each other instant. We
Speaker 3: open up the door, it just stops dead. So we
Speaker 3: we leave the bedroom, shut the door, like okay, cool,
Speaker 3: just hope it stops, and we come back downstairs. We're
Speaker 3: standing there and I begin to see these little shadows
Speaker 3: about this big, I would say, four to five inches tall,
Speaker 3: all black, little looked like a human form, but about
Speaker 3: this big. And they're darting everywhere, like come out from
Speaker 3: under the couch, running the under the chair. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: at first I thought it was the the cats. I'm like, well,
Speaker 3: this cat's are moving fast as hell, looking around, and
Speaker 3: then I see ones dead on and I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: that was not That's not a cat. So the other
Speaker 3: medium that was there just kind of grabbed me and
Speaker 3: she's like yeah, yeah, yeah there all over the place.
Speaker 3: I see him. These things are shooting all over the place.
Speaker 3: We leave there, and I felt like crap for probably
Speaker 3: three weeks, just felt sick, drained, angry, like just irrit it,
Speaker 3: like I was just a mess. And it wasn't like
Speaker 3: I was you know, can jested or like normal kind
Speaker 3: of symptoms.
Speaker 1: It was just it was just I just I was
Speaker 1: I was off.
Speaker 3: I fell a crap. And it wasn't until one of
Speaker 3: the other people in the group gave me this crazy
Speaker 3: mixture of all these herbs and stuff. I remember there's
Speaker 3: lavender in there, but it was all these different herbs
Speaker 3: with salts and all this stuff like that, and she's like, here,
Speaker 3: you know, I mix this up for you. Just you know,
Speaker 3: you just next time you get home, just take a
Speaker 3: screaming hot bath, pour this in there, mix it around,
Speaker 3: and just like just soaking there and just staying there
Speaker 3: for as long as you can. We maybe meditate, put
Speaker 3: some protections up, do some extra stuff like that. Okay,
Speaker 3: well I did that. I mean I remember standing up
Speaker 3: out of the water and I was like, oh, it
Speaker 3: just gives gone, it completely off me and I was
Speaker 3: fine after that. So, yeah, there's been tons of times
Speaker 3: where we come home from an investigation and then we
Speaker 3: start hearing noises in the house like we I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm this place is upon it before we got here,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure. But but there's been times where yeah,
Speaker 3: you had to They don't stick around long usually, but
Speaker 3: there's been times where we actually just sor ry yep.
Speaker 3: And it's a good habit. Actually, as soon as we
Speaker 3: leave the location, We're like, all right, you just whoever's here,
Speaker 3: you've got to stay here. No one's following us home.
Speaker 3: And then you do your meditations and some people, you know,
Speaker 3: they picture Sam Michael coming in with a sword, just
Speaker 3: shawl around them, just cutting cords and all that stuff
Speaker 3: like that. So everyone kind of has their little thing
Speaker 3: they do, you know, pre investigation, during investigation, and after investigation.
Speaker 3: Longer you do it, the more spiritual and the more
Speaker 3: like a cult did you become, because you start doing
Speaker 3: these practices and these rituals without even realizing it. And
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's always for protection because because yeah,
Speaker 3: the stuff, the stuff will follow you home, there's no doubt.
Speaker 3: I mean, the spirits are you know, human spirits. I
Speaker 3: mean that free will. They can go over they want,
Speaker 3: They can follow you home if they want to. They're
Speaker 3: I'm super boring, so they're not going to hang out
Speaker 3: too long. They get bored and just be like, all right,
Speaker 3: I'm out of here. This guy's just they're playing PlayStation
Speaker 3: all day.
Speaker 2: We do like to say when we leave a location,
Speaker 2: I leave as I came, or we leave as we came.
Speaker 2: And sometimes if the activity is particularly up or people
Speaker 2: are really feeling it. It's always good to say one
Speaker 2: of those like spiritual prayers and just keep that energy
Speaker 2: at bay. I think it's a good practice for anybody
Speaker 2: who's interested in doing this, you know, do your research
Speaker 2: before you go out there, because yeah, you could bring
Speaker 2: home a hitchhiker and not even know it.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and some of those practices are good. Just being
Speaker 3: around people that suck, you know what I mean, You
Speaker 3: around negative people all the time that will get to you,
Speaker 3: that will all of a sudden you'll start getting pistol off, like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, I'm not what's going on. I'm not man, Yes, Yester,
Speaker 3: today was going on.
Speaker 2: I'm a big proponent of energy fields and cord cutting
Speaker 2: and those cord cutting meditations. I'm telling you, when you
Speaker 2: do feel that energy, that anxiety, I think it manifests
Speaker 2: in different ways for you know, depending on the situation.
Speaker 2: And I've done some of those cord cutting rituals and
Speaker 2: You're right, it's like you come up out of the water,
Speaker 2: you come out of your meditation, and you really feel
Speaker 2: that that weight that's lifted.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, Yeah. Well, I do have some interesting images
Speaker 3: to show.
Speaker 4: Like oh true, you know what you were mentioned?
Speaker 1: It before about like I guess, a protective bubble.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: That's like kind of There's like a lot of ways.
Speaker 1: I've come across stuff like that just in practicing rituals stuff.
Speaker 1: And uh like even when I checked out the Gateway tapes,
Speaker 1: if you listen to those, I think you have to.
Speaker 1: Like the second or third one, they started talking about
Speaker 1: like building like a you know, bubble around yourself before
Speaker 1: you start drifting off for a thing of protection. So
Speaker 1: that is a common practice. I've heard of that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've done that myself, So it was just interesting to
Speaker 1: hear you say it. I haven't thought of that in
Speaker 1: a minute.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 4: You know you're talking about it with the paranormal and
Speaker 4: I was just doing it with you.
Speaker 3: Know, actual rituals, right yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's you know, there's a reason that you know, Shamans,
Speaker 3: for example, uh, would have all of these very regimented
Speaker 3: rituals around everything they did because they're they're speaking to
Speaker 3: some heavy duty stuff, you know, some of these I mean,
Speaker 3: I guess some people all the menimentals or you know,
Speaker 3: fay whatever you whatever you want to call it. I
Speaker 3: think the most of the tribes had ways of describing
Speaker 3: may have different names for it, obviously, but you know,
Speaker 3: every sort of group of humans since the beginning of
Speaker 3: time has been communicating with something and you can't see
Speaker 3: that's there, that's around us, and it's has different names
Speaker 3: for different people and different cultures and stuff, but like
Speaker 3: a lot of it seems pretty universal. And I think
Speaker 3: a lot of it too, is is based on like
Speaker 3: what like what you're going to experience on a case
Speaker 3: is kind of based on where you're at mentally. You know,
Speaker 3: if you're in a real bad mood this I've seen
Speaker 3: this countless times, going into a case with someone who's
Speaker 3: like dreading the investigation is like it's like intimidated by it,
Speaker 3: as having bad feelings about it and is getting anxiety
Speaker 3: and lo and behold they go there and something negative
Speaker 3: happens to them while I'm standing there like totally fine,
Speaker 3: Like you know what I mean. Like we we had
Speaker 3: an investigation at at the Still House in New York,
Speaker 3: which is a good one of these One of these
Speaker 3: locations is notoriously intense, you know, and yeah, and one
Speaker 3: of the investigators was was was was was just talking
Speaker 3: about it in an intimidated way for like almost a
Speaker 3: year beforehand, from months and months before, and I did
Speaker 3: a little bit of research about the house in the
Speaker 3: area and what what tribe was was around back in
Speaker 3: the day in that area. And I had a whole
Speaker 3: bunch of I had my own a pocket pothecary basically downstairs.
Speaker 3: So like I brought a grab a whole bunch of
Speaker 3: different herbs and you know, like stage and tobacco and
Speaker 3: cedar and all kinds of stuff, made up a little bundle.
Speaker 3: I brought my little drum. As soon as we got there,
Speaker 3: I just played a little drum, gave a little offering
Speaker 3: to the land, you know, put stuff back in the car,
Speaker 3: I turned the bath and back. We're gonna be good.
Speaker 3: We're fine. He's like, okay, cool, you know, And we
Speaker 3: were fine the whole time. Absolutely nothing happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, we cool thoughtout, like coming to them in
Speaker 1: their way like that's like and it sounds weird, but
Speaker 1: it's like, that's that's how like, if I wanted to
Speaker 1: do a ritual, if I'm depending on who I want
Speaker 1: to work with and if I want to give offerings,
Speaker 1: I got to start all right, well, what does that
Speaker 1: type of pantheon normally work with? What does that person
Speaker 1: normally work with. That was interesting that you you know,
Speaker 1: again you went kind of like to go with what
Speaker 1: you're dealing with and it worked. Yes.
Speaker 3: Interesting, Yeah, and we we you know, Beth, Beth will
Speaker 3: just get the feeling when you We'll get to a
Speaker 3: certain place and you're like, yeah, because I keep this
Speaker 3: stuff with me a lot of times. So just feel like,
Speaker 3: you know, we should we should probably do an offering,
Speaker 3: you know, just to the land, just in completely separately
Speaker 3: from whatever's going on in that person's house. You know.
Speaker 3: It's just a good thing we try to do here
Speaker 3: and there because I's so much trauma happened here, so
Speaker 3: much shitty stuff was done to the to the natives
Speaker 3: that we're here. It's just messed up. So we'd like
Speaker 3: to give offerings whenever we can.
Speaker 1: Know it was in New York, I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: was all over the country, but for some reason, I
Speaker 1: feel like New York and Long Island was like known
Speaker 1: for massive like Indian population.
Speaker 4: Is that true, Yeah, because that was a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: Even as a kid growing up in New York on
Speaker 1: Long Island, like there was always like you know, weird
Speaker 1: stuff or paranormal activity was always blamed on the dead Indians.
Speaker 1: I was like, there's just always a story I heard,
Speaker 1: you know. And then we even had like in ron
Speaker 1: Kanka with I know I've mentioned on the show before,
Speaker 1: even have like the Princess of the Lake. There's even
Speaker 1: a story with that where like, hey, I think like
Speaker 1: she wanted to marry like a white guy and a father,
Speaker 1: like I had none of that, so I guess, like
Speaker 1: I don't somehow they both ended up dead. I think
Speaker 1: they both committed suicide of some shit. And now like
Speaker 1: every year, supposedly she's gonna take like a male guy.
Speaker 1: And I remember when I was younger, there was kids
Speaker 1: that would drown in the lake unfortunately, like like every year,
Speaker 1: and people would be like, oh see, it's the story
Speaker 1: of the lake and everything. It was always the Indians.
Speaker 3: Loads of loads of guys have drowned it.
Speaker 4: Do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah Lake Rocco, Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: I forget, forget the details of the story, but yeah,
Speaker 3: there was a there was a tragic end. And you know,
Speaker 3: people claim to see this Indian woman standing in the
Speaker 3: middle of the lake like and you know, twenty thirty
Speaker 3: feet of waters like standing on top of the water,
Speaker 3: and yeah, loads of people drowned and it's always men.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's been times when yeah, men, And they've
Speaker 1: even said, they've even questioned that they think that they
Speaker 1: might actually have something that like goes out like it
Speaker 1: supposedly there's a there was a hole that they've never
Speaker 1: actually gone all the way down in, and they do
Speaker 1: suspect that it could go out like Wolf of Long
Speaker 1: Island somewhere, because times people drowned and they'll never find
Speaker 1: the person, but they never came out, well unless they
Speaker 1: fake their death. I don't know, but you know, I.
Speaker 4: Doubt the seventeen year old was trying to fake his.
Speaker 1: Death, you know what I'm saying. But uh yeah, So
Speaker 1: I was like there's even rumors of that or just
Speaker 1: the bodies never show up, that's wild. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: There was even people that I went to school that
Speaker 1: that happened to, and like I knew, like for sure
Speaker 1: it was really it happened. They didn't find one of
Speaker 1: the fucking dudes.
Speaker 5: Well go ahead, yeah you heard of Lakeland there, have
Speaker 5: you ever heard that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Some bad jus you there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a bad It's it's very bad. There's a
Speaker 6: lot of historical stuff there in Savannah has a lot
Speaker 6: of historical paranormal stuff too, a lot actually, they actually
Speaker 6: have a lot of ghost tours there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a yeah, but a couple of times. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a that's just that whole police just has to
Speaker 3: feel about it, that whole town.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be My next question for you is, I
Speaker 2: know that you're kind of primarily up north right now,
Speaker 2: but have there been any locations that you've been to
Speaker 2: around the country that have stood out? And are there
Speaker 2: any on your wish list of places to go, like
Speaker 2: maybe the Stanley Hotel or Saint Augustine, maybe New Orleans.
Speaker 3: Hm hmm, Yeah. I think we've we've pretty much gone
Speaker 3: to like New York, Ohio, Delaware, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Obviously.
Speaker 3: I think pretty much all the places you've heard of
Speaker 3: we've been to multiple times. But uh, I think the
Speaker 3: Saint Augustine is one that I'd like to investigate. A
Speaker 3: friend of mine moved down there, and uh, I would
Speaker 3: definitely like to investigate that place. I like to investigate
Speaker 3: the White House to be totally honest, you.
Speaker 1: Know, you know what, that's actually a pretty fucking, pretty
Speaker 1: good idea fuck knows, because I mean, if you want
Speaker 1: to go by half of the ship conspiracy, there is
Speaker 1: things going on in there. There's probably a lot of
Speaker 1: trauma in those whole lie even just emotional from dealing
Speaker 1: with the stress or you're getting fired or you know,
Speaker 1: I just got sexually arrested, you know anything.
Speaker 3: Well, that sp.
Speaker 2: And Saint Augustine is a good one. I just got
Speaker 2: back from a paranormal investigation there myself, and everything you
Speaker 2: were saying was just checking the personal boxes for me.
Speaker 2: That's it's the oldest city in America, so it has
Speaker 2: a lot of history there and a lot of dark
Speaker 2: history unfortunately, a lot of bloodshed and trauma on the land.
Speaker 2: And it's almost like I'm sure your friend will tell you,
Speaker 2: there's not really many too many places you can go
Speaker 2: in Saint Augustine that aren't haunted to some degree. From
Speaker 2: the old star fort that's there, the lighthouse, the jail,
Speaker 2: even just the cemeteries around the city, and a lot
Speaker 2: of the various builds are still I don't want to
Speaker 2: say original, but they're older. They don't do have like
Speaker 2: a lot of new construction, so a lot of it's
Speaker 2: pretty old old buildings and stuff.
Speaker 5: So that's actually, well, that's that's one of my next
Speaker 5: spots to actually go to.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, exactly, Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5: It's only like two hours away from me.
Speaker 6: I've heard that it's the oldest city in America, and
Speaker 6: I was just like, it's pretty I never knew that,
Speaker 6: and I lived there, I lived there forever paid attention
Speaker 6: to it.
Speaker 5: Yes, I definitely I'm going there. I'm definitely going there.
Speaker 1: You have to one thing you did want to ask, Mike.
Speaker 1: I guess it's a little weird question. It's just I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering how you are if given the chance that
Speaker 1: this homeowner or whoever had you go, you know, investigate
Speaker 1: their place, allowed you to cart blanche. I mean, you're
Speaker 1: not going to destroy the house, but like, whatever you
Speaker 1: method you want to use or whatever you want to
Speaker 1: do is okay. If they thought there was something there
Speaker 1: and they asked you, is there any way you can
Speaker 1: try to manifest it? Would you try? Would you say, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not even doing that.
Speaker 3: I would refuse to do that just because Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's it's one kind of disclaimer that we tell everybody
Speaker 3: to investigate, whether whether we do a full investigation, or
Speaker 3: if we just stop by and just look at the
Speaker 3: place it out and type of conversation with them. It's
Speaker 3: just it seems that our presence just going there seems
Speaker 3: to just uh to cause activity to spike, especially if
Speaker 3: we go in and actually investigate, and we go in,
Speaker 3: we're communicating back and forth. It's it's definitely going to
Speaker 3: cause the activity to spike, at least temporarily, even if
Speaker 3: it's not something negative. It's always it's almost always gonna happen.
Speaker 3: And that's kind of why the training is so rigorous
Speaker 3: because we're going to make sure. Like the thing that
Speaker 3: we tell us is like, hey, we get to leave,
Speaker 3: like when the investigation is over, we get to go
Speaker 3: home to our house. The client has to stay and
Speaker 3: deal with what we did. So if we go in
Speaker 3: there and make it worse, like that's that the visa
Speaker 3: purpose was going there, it's messed up. So so just
Speaker 3: the just the just the our presence going in having
Speaker 3: a conversation, it's almost like the place knows like oh
Speaker 3: these oh here's the people that can hear and see
Speaker 3: us and talk to us and stuff. Because activity will
Speaker 3: spike it just automatically. But if someone asked me to
Speaker 3: do any sort of summoning or any eat anything like that.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not, no way, because I don't because I don't
Speaker 3: know what they did before I got there. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's a set up like you
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like he does. I mean,
Speaker 3: our questionnaire is a giant sheet because we're gonna really
Speaker 3: weed through and and and see like what pops up
Speaker 3: as a red flag before we even go out there,
Speaker 3: like just inconsistencies in the story, like you will, you know,
Speaker 3: like one part of the questionnaire will ask like how
Speaker 3: many people live there?
Speaker 1: All right? You know what you know? Wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: I don't want to screw up. I want to change
Speaker 1: the whole scenario an empty building that nobody lives in. Okay,
Speaker 1: would you do it? Then? I sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm going a.
Speaker 1: Little crazy with it.
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't. The selling is not my thing, okay, No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm just wanting just want what if they asked you
Speaker 1: to remove something? Would you even try to bother doing that?
Speaker 1: Don't know.
Speaker 3: That's that's tough. That's really tough.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: Human spirits free will, they can they can come and
Speaker 3: go as they please. There are certain things you can do.
Speaker 3: There's usually an agreement that can be made with the
Speaker 3: people that are living there, in the spirits that are there.
Speaker 3: Sometimes that people have success with it where they just
Speaker 3: come to an agreement with like oh, you know, put
Speaker 3: put out a picture of this former owner or on
Speaker 3: in this area on the mantlepiece or something, or where
Speaker 3: you know, they don't like using this this door in
Speaker 3: this bedroom, you know, try not to use the like
Speaker 3: weird stuff like that. And so if the human spirit
Speaker 3: is there and wants to stay, there's really nothing that
Speaker 3: can be done to get rid of it if it's
Speaker 3: not gonna leave you until.
Speaker 1: It wants to.
Speaker 3: Normally, the vast majority of times, like the have to
Speaker 3: just learn to coincide with it and put up. What
Speaker 3: people have the most successful is just being not not
Speaker 3: pissed or angry or upset or anything like that, but firm,
Speaker 3: kind and firm, and you just sag your boundaries like okay,
Speaker 3: just please don't and say it out loud like you
Speaker 3: looks like a crazy person, but it seems to work,
Speaker 3: you know. Uh, just you know, bump sleeping, please don't
Speaker 3: bother me, you know, if you want to move stuff around,
Speaker 3: or whatever during the day, that's fine, you know, please
Speaker 3: just you know whatever. People lose stuff and they'll like
Speaker 3: just say out loud, ache, can you could you give
Speaker 3: me back my car keys? Like, because the car keys
Speaker 3: will just disappear. And you find that the people that
Speaker 3: are just firm and just have a conversation and just
Speaker 3: get and just communicate in a in a kind way
Speaker 3: and set boundaries and be firm about it, they usually
Speaker 3: have a lot of success with that. And I've had
Speaker 3: that happening. Just happened to me the other day, Like,
Speaker 3: came in the house and put my keys in the
Speaker 3: same spot I always put them in. Five minutes later,
Speaker 3: they're gone. I turn the house apart.
Speaker 1: What the hell really?
Speaker 3: Oh my keys? Like, okay, can I just have my
Speaker 3: keys back?
Speaker 5: Please?
Speaker 3: And then they end up turning up, you know, sometime later.
Speaker 5: But but.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's it's a tough thing to come
Speaker 3: in and we try.
Speaker 4: Oh no, I understand, those are like pretty serious questions.
Speaker 1: I was just wondering.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we try not to investigate even if we don't
Speaker 3: have to, to be honest, and there's.
Speaker 1: The time we don't.
Speaker 3: Most of the time we don't have to because Beth
Speaker 3: can kind of get a read on what's going on,
Speaker 3: and we'll just have a conversation with the people and
Speaker 3: just figure out like, oh, yeah, this is a that's
Speaker 3: just a relative, you know, that's just visiting, and they
Speaker 3: don't understand what's going on. So it's scary, and so
Speaker 3: they start getting upset, and the more upset people get.
Speaker 3: It seems to be there seems to be a correlation
Speaker 3: between the emotional state of like the overall family or
Speaker 3: people or whoever that are in that space and the activity.
Speaker 3: So there might be just some benign activity that just
Speaker 3: that just kind of happens. You know. It's not a
Speaker 3: conscious thing. It's not it's not trying to scare you
Speaker 3: or anything like that. It's just this residual sort of
Speaker 3: stuff that happens. A noise, a sort of doorlopen your footsteps.
Speaker 3: Like that doesn't necessarily mean there's something in there creeping
Speaker 3: around trying to scare you. It might just be like
Speaker 3: it's just the guy who used the liver or just
Speaker 3: walking through, you know. It could be just like there's
Speaker 3: a theory of stone tape theory. It's called I kind
Speaker 3: of like the theory I can't prove it again, but
Speaker 3: I kind of like it. And it's it's essentially like
Speaker 3: if if you have a building that's made of you know,
Speaker 3: there's stone, there's wood, all this kind of stuff, it's
Speaker 3: believed that those materials can sort of absorb things like
Speaker 3: a courtz crystal can store you know, information in it. Well,
Speaker 3: some people believe that psychic activity or traumatic events or
Speaker 3: very very positive events can sort of record in the
Speaker 3: in the wood, in the stone, and in the house itself.
Speaker 3: And it's there's just certain times a day that you're
Speaker 3: gonna hear footsteps. Certain times a year, it will happen
Speaker 3: to three times a year. Maybe you have carpets all
Speaker 3: over your house and you hear boosts on a wooden floor,
Speaker 3: boom bom, and it's nothing else happens. But if you're
Speaker 3: afraid of that, then you're gonna go, oh my god,
Speaker 3: you're gonna freak out. Then all of a sudden, the
Speaker 3: stress level in the house goes up. That's gonna cause
Speaker 3: other stuff to happen. Because I think personally we can
Speaker 3: cause stuff to happen. That says it all the time.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: So you can create your own negative entities and your
Speaker 3: own negative energy and your own negative effects. Like it's
Speaker 3: just you're just putting out this fear and this anxiety
Speaker 3: and all this stuff into the environment. And it's either
Speaker 3: something's going to key in on that and come and go,
Speaker 3: oh hey someone said in a bad day and start
Speaker 3: messing with it, or it's it's our energy itself. It's
Speaker 3: actually causing these things to move, like you know, like
Speaker 3: a like a inadvertent telkansis almost like you cause the
Speaker 3: items to move. You're not trying, you're not consciously thinking
Speaker 3: about it, but your stress level is so high that
Speaker 3: you're actually causing change. You're causing changes in your environment.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent believe that. I mean, have you ever
Speaker 2: gotten let's say, angry or stressed and then all of
Speaker 2: a sudden you notice the light will start flickering and
Speaker 2: you're like, I've got to calm down, or something like
Speaker 2: that will happen. I'm a firm believer in that nature well,
Speaker 2: and I think when people do get stuck in those
Speaker 2: lower vibrational states, and I mean we're all guilty of it,
Speaker 2: but I think people who hang out there in a
Speaker 2: prolonged period of time, you know, who are residually negative people.
Speaker 2: I think what you put out, you get back. And
Speaker 2: I think that there's a thing, maybe not full on
Speaker 2: possessed it possession like demonic possession, but there is an oppression.
Speaker 2: And I think that these entities do look for those
Speaker 2: cracks to slip in, and so while someone might not
Speaker 2: be full on possessed, they are having things happening to
Speaker 2: them that are very low vibrational and keep them in
Speaker 2: that oppressed, negative, sad, anxious, depressed state. And I don't
Speaker 2: know if you guys can see my comments, but I
Speaker 2: am down for a Florida a quote reject meet up.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 2: I don't know if my comments are coming through, but
Speaker 2: let's make it happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wild you know girlies in the chat, this was.
Speaker 1: I was glad you kind of brought that up, because
Speaker 1: that's like one of the other questions I was going
Speaker 1: to ask. And it's sometime I normally try to ask
Speaker 1: every paranormal person on the show, and I mean basically
Speaker 1: just talked about it. Now I was gonna I was
Speaker 1: gonna ask, do you believe that people or do you
Speaker 1: think I guess since it dances yes, have you had
Speaker 1: any investigations where you actually think the people in the
Speaker 1: house were creating the paranormal activity themselves. Yes, could you
Speaker 1: maybe talk about one of those if you don't want Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah it was, or just give her samples if it's Tooma,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to give you.
Speaker 3: Four or five years ago, we uh went out to
Speaker 3: this woman's house because she was having Oh this is
Speaker 3: I just remember some details. Okay, this is a crazy story. Anyway,
Speaker 3: So we go out to this woman's house. She's having
Speaker 3: like these hauntings. She has a young daughter. She's getting
Speaker 3: worried because it's some of the activity is becoming intense.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: She didn't share with she didn't share this detail with me,
Speaker 3: which she shared it with Beth because she was more
Speaker 3: comfortable sharing it with her. Is that she was she
Speaker 3: was getting assaulted interbet and it was becoming more and
Speaker 3: more elevated, more and more intense and more aggressive. She
Speaker 3: was getting really, really scared. So so we go out
Speaker 3: there and we do an investigation, we come back, we
Speaker 3: do another one and between basically like no activity took place.
Speaker 3: No Evans was captured. But it was Beth that said
Speaker 3: because she was having this conversation with her about the
Speaker 3: more sensitive details off to the side, and it turns
Speaker 3: out that there was a lot of trouble in the marriage. Again,
Speaker 3: the stress level was like up to eleven, and they were,
Speaker 3: you know, having a lot of marital problems and fighting
Speaker 3: all the time, and so the energy in the house
Speaker 3: was just terrible. So so like the so she was
Speaker 3: becoming so upset and wasn't this is now this is
Speaker 3: the best take on it on mine, But she basically
Speaker 3: came to the conclusion like, yes, because you're so upset
Speaker 3: and things are so bad between you two that like
Speaker 3: you're creating this thing and manifesting it and it's sort
Speaker 3: of filling this role that is you know, it's supposed
Speaker 3: to be filled by your husband, and that's obviously not
Speaker 3: happening because it's all these like fighting and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: It was, it was bad.
Speaker 3: It was really bad. It was during the investigation two
Speaker 3: complete side note, they were seeing UFOs over the house,
Speaker 3: so we didn't even touch that part of it. But
Speaker 3: she mentioned like, oh yeah, when we first moved in,
Speaker 3: we found these creepy faces that we'd like you guys
Speaker 3: to get rid of if you can. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: you found creepy faces? What are you talking about? She goes, yeah,
Speaker 3: my husband didn't like him, so he buried him in
Speaker 3: the backyard. And I'm like, oh, they're they're buried, So
Speaker 3: we're gonna have to We're gonna have to dig up
Speaker 3: a bunch of Like do you know where they're at.
Speaker 3: She's like, I think they're over here. I thank god
Speaker 3: Beth was there because she's like, you know, walked around.
Speaker 3: She's like, okay, they're like right in this area, right here.
Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, so I dig up. These are these
Speaker 3: two faces that were made out of stone, and they
Speaker 3: were creepy as hell. I mean, I don't know what
Speaker 3: purpose it would have been. A little kid didn't make it.
Speaker 3: It kind of looked like original item. Possibly I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: I can't say for sure, but they were I think
Speaker 3: we found them because they were I wouldn't want these
Speaker 3: things buried in my art either. They were creepy as
Speaker 3: hell looking like I mean, just made out of stone
Speaker 3: and like concrete and like rocks were placed in it.
Speaker 3: And it was weird. It was really weird. So we
Speaker 3: were we were taught basically to whatever you're gonna get
Speaker 3: rid of something like that, to put it into running water.
Speaker 3: And so, I mean we just had a weird feeling
Speaker 3: about these things. So we got these faces. We dug
Speaker 3: up out of the yard and you know, I had
Speaker 3: a bag with some you know that had some blessing
Speaker 3: items in it. I put them in there, sealed it
Speaker 3: up in my trunk, shut it, and we completed the investigation.
Speaker 3: Long story short, she she got her she moved out,
Speaker 3: changed her situation. The activity just continued as she got
Speaker 3: herself together. The activity just slowly just trailed off, and
Speaker 3: the faces we took to like a stream down the
Speaker 3: road and just dumped them into the into the moving water.
Speaker 3: And I don't know what the story is behind that,
Speaker 3: but it was definitely weird. And it was down on
Speaker 3: the pine Marens, which is weird anyway. So yeah, we
Speaker 3: we just we could actually see like her progression as
Speaker 3: she just got her personal situation sorted out and got
Speaker 3: her own like emotional sort of meter like back to
Speaker 3: like baseline, the activity just continue to just lessen and
Speaker 3: lessen until it was gone. And to me, that was
Speaker 3: that was the evidence that she may have not have
Speaker 3: created the thing, but was definitely feeding it just because
Speaker 3: of the how awful the personal situation was in the house.
Speaker 2: I think that's so true. I've when he said that
Speaker 2: I can speak from experience. I was dealing with some
Speaker 2: night terrors and they were pretty intense for a while,
Speaker 2: and I won't go into too much detail, but they
Speaker 2: were bad and I had to go and you know,
Speaker 2: seek help for it. And once I started dealing with
Speaker 2: some of those things in processing things that had happened,
Speaker 2: I am thankful I don't experience them anymore. And when
Speaker 2: I do, I'm really quick to kind of do some
Speaker 2: some you know, self war to get it under control,
Speaker 2: because I think that different entities can manifest, especially in
Speaker 2: people's dream lens when they're i think a little bit
Speaker 2: more vulnerable.
Speaker 3: It does seem to be true, like the dream world
Speaker 3: is sort of, you know, halfway there, if it's kind
Speaker 3: of way I like to look at it, you know,
Speaker 3: Like I've heard some mediums say that like the way
Speaker 3: they tap into a spirit is that they raise their
Speaker 3: vibration and you know, they sort of know, do meditation,
Speaker 3: They calm themselves nice and quiet, and they raise their
Speaker 3: vibration to kind of move up to sort of meet
Speaker 3: the spirit. Because the spirit is on such a higher vibration,
Speaker 3: most people don't perceive them. That sounds district to me
Speaker 3: by these mediums, and it does seem to be the case.
Speaker 3: I mean, I have some pretty crazy experiences in meditation too,
Speaker 3: I mean, and it it does seem to be something
Speaker 3: to it. There does seem to be evidence of consciousness
Speaker 3: moving on, because we've had several I mean, it's happened
Speaker 3: more than once where we'll be on an investigation and
Speaker 3: an investigator will either think something without saying it and
Speaker 3: we'll get an answer, or an answer will came on
Speaker 3: a recorder before the person asked the question. That's happened
Speaker 3: several times, or we'll have a voice come through in
Speaker 3: a different voice and say the word an investigator is
Speaker 3: about to say before they say it. So if there's
Speaker 3: a precognitive portion to this, which there seems to be, like.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is that?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? I think that's the whole
Speaker 3: reason so many cultures over the years have had rituals
Speaker 3: and festivals and sort of to address this sort of thing,
Speaker 3: because it's there and you're experiencing it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Nowadays we have cameras and recorders as I think capture
Speaker 3: sometimes capture the evidence of this stuff. But back in
Speaker 3: the day, it was just it was all personal experience,
Speaker 3: and it was the spiritual advisor of the shop. And
Speaker 3: whoever was that person in the village, they would handle
Speaker 3: that sort of thing stuff because they were sort of
Speaker 3: the medium, you know. They were you know, halfway between
Speaker 3: here and there, and they could more freely communicate back
Speaker 3: and forth and had the protections and all that stuff
Speaker 3: to protect themselves. And I think, you know a lot
Speaker 3: of stuff. I think it's a culton on purpose. You
Speaker 3: don't want everybody doing this stuff, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: It's not for everybody, you know. I think that's why
Speaker 3: a lot of this knowledge back in the day was
Speaker 3: was was hidden because if everyone had it, I mean,
Speaker 3: you'll probably would just be havock. I mean, like you
Speaker 3: have to have the discipline to and the protection to
Speaker 3: communicate with this stuff and do it safely and not
Speaker 3: make things worse, you know, I agree with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Uh, any of you two have anything you wanted
Speaker 1: to ask?
Speaker 5: Have you ever seen that movie The Entity?
Speaker 6: Because that last story you talked about reminding me of
Speaker 6: that movie that was a crazy ass movie.
Speaker 3: I don't think I saw that one. I don't think
Speaker 3: I saw that one. Got to check it out.
Speaker 6: It's supposed to have been based on the true story
Speaker 6: and so pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: Nice. Yeah, I heard of it. Did you see that
Speaker 1: movie with that guy that was possessed? Oh god, he
Speaker 1: kind of got like it was kind of popular when
Speaker 1: he came out. I think that some dude went to
Speaker 1: go meet the guy in prison and he was supposedly
Speaker 1: supposed to be possessed in the guy. I think it
Speaker 1: was like some religious dude or some priests was like
Speaker 1: having a conversation with this dude and supposed to have just.
Speaker 4: Been like pretty pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Oh. I can't remember the name of it. Fuck, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure if I said it, you might know what
Speaker 1: I was talking about. But like, for some reason it
Speaker 1: was like real big with either the Catholics or the
Speaker 1: Christians too, like there was like some issue with them
Speaker 1: either they yeah, either they were promoting it or they
Speaker 1: said there was an issue with it. I can't remember,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I thought that movie was good. No, that's
Speaker 1: all I was gonna get out and uh, and in
Speaker 1: that movie I think it even like you know, I
Speaker 1: guess for like possession and stuff.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I thought was interesting is like
Speaker 1: the thing does say like I've already like got an
Speaker 1: acceptance from you, like so many fucking times in the
Speaker 1: past already. You don't even know when I took over.
Speaker 1: You do sometimes you do think that sh it's true too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's freaky. I think that goes back to
Speaker 2: the you know, demonic oppression and possession and where that
Speaker 2: line is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was basically like, Yo, you allowed me in
Speaker 1: tiptoed so fucking far that it's you're gone now. And
Speaker 1: I was just like, damn, that's fucking yeah.
Speaker 3: That seems that seems to be how it works. Yeah,
Speaker 3: for sure. It's like it's just like a little tiptoe
Speaker 3: towards towards the goal. But it's it isn't anything crazy
Speaker 3: all at one time. It's a whole bunch of little things. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 3: oh you can you can cheat on this test? Figure
Speaker 3: it out?
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I guess, like if that's what it has
Speaker 1: to do just to get you to start getting going
Speaker 1: in a certain direction, I guess, small little little increments,
Speaker 1: we'll get to that eventually.
Speaker 3: Yeah, keep listening to that little voice, and then you
Speaker 3: start getting successful, you start getting more money, you start
Speaker 3: getting things start start clicking for you. It's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: so you're gonna keep following it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. Did you have any other
Speaker 1: uh weird or wild experiences that maybe you could share
Speaker 1: with us before we wrap it up, or anything else
Speaker 1: you want to add.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna ask if he ever got to
Speaker 6: witness an exorcism or watch a video of one that
Speaker 6: that nobody got to see or something like that.
Speaker 3: Beth has assisted in two I think, mmm, and it's
Speaker 3: pretty crazy. I mean again, like it made a believe
Speaker 3: right of her because you know, she's having a conversation
Speaker 3: with this person that she knows and then like suddenly
Speaker 3: her eyes changed color, her voice changes and you know,
Speaker 3: the one thing that kind of always seems to be
Speaker 3: said when we're around something negative is it just doesn't
Speaker 3: like her because I think because of her light, they
Speaker 3: just they don't they don't like if she if she
Speaker 3: has such a light that I think it's just it's
Speaker 3: it's offensive to the to the more negative stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, the the negative stuff I try to
Speaker 3: stay away from to be to be honest. And it's
Speaker 3: kind of interesting because there were so many when I
Speaker 3: was in that first initial group I was in, there
Speaker 3: was there was negative cases all the time, all the time,
Speaker 3: there was a whole team. It was designated for just
Speaker 3: those cases and the rest of us would handle like
Speaker 3: the regular would call Casper cases, and there was a
Speaker 3: whole other team just for that. They called it SRT,
Speaker 3: and it was just for those negative cases because they
Speaker 3: were they were happening like on the regular. And it's
Speaker 3: kind of weird. Once since we left that group went
Speaker 3: out on our own, We've had some intense, you know,
Speaker 3: investigations here or there, but overall, like the negative stuff
Speaker 3: just either avoids us, or we're avoiding it or or
Speaker 3: or I'm not sure. I'm sometimes I've speculated that maybe
Speaker 3: somebody in that group was was like wanted it there
Speaker 3: was kind of inviting it in I don't know, because
Speaker 3: it's like that scene in Star Wars, you know, when
Speaker 3: when when Luke is on Daegeva and they're he's doing
Speaker 3: his training and they walk up to that that Sith
Speaker 3: temple and you know, y woulda basically says, you know,
Speaker 3: you know, go in there, and uh Luke starts grabbing
Speaker 3: his weapons and he's like no, no, no, you don't know,
Speaker 3: don't don't break weapons, you don't need those, and he's like, yeah, whatever, dude,
Speaker 3: puts his weapons on and goes in there. And oh,
Speaker 3: and I think, well, Yod actually says, Luke asks him
Speaker 3: what's in there, and and you woulda tells them whatever
Speaker 3: whatever you take with you. You know, he takes his
Speaker 3: weapons in behold he has a fight. So I think
Speaker 3: that that is kind of how it works, Like is
Speaker 3: with not only investigating, with just everything. If if you're
Speaker 3: a super negative person and you're putting out negative thoughts
Speaker 3: and emotions and stuff like that all the time, it's
Speaker 3: gonna come back, like you're gonna get negative stuff happening you.
Speaker 3: And when you're going into investigating, I think it just
Speaker 3: kind of magnifies it because you're in a going into
Speaker 3: a space where like either especially if it's a private case,
Speaker 3: you're going in someone's already afraid, so stress levels high,
Speaker 3: you're coming in negative That can I mean, investigators can
Speaker 3: definitely cause a negative hunting. People in their homes can
Speaker 3: cause a negative hunting. I mean, all of us could
Speaker 3: get to a place where we could cause something negative
Speaker 3: to happen.
Speaker 1: I believe. Yeah, I think that's interesting. You're even saying,
Speaker 1: well you needn't say it, but like I thought it,
Speaker 1: you know, for all you know, maybe it's just one
Speaker 1: of the other investigators might have been adding to it
Speaker 1: just because of the frame of mind they're in.
Speaker 4: Yep, not even realizing it, not even you know.
Speaker 1: Not even.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It was a common practice for us if like, if
Speaker 3: someone was sick or something like that, it would just
Speaker 3: like you're not you know, investigating, stay home. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: get someone else to fill in.
Speaker 1: For many reasons. Yep, uh, somebody has uh, I guess
Speaker 1: asked tell us more of the division between light and dark.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if that means anything too.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: I just think.
Speaker 3: I think the universe is made up of of of
Speaker 3: dark and light and everything in between, and it's this
Speaker 3: whole spectrum. And you know, there's magic, there's power, there's energy,
Speaker 3: but it's all the way you use it. I think, Like,
Speaker 3: for example, you you know, fire is a very beneficial thing.
Speaker 3: You know, you can cook food with it, you can
Speaker 3: warm your house with it. You can also burn down
Speaker 3: whole city with it. You can kill people with it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Like, so it's to me, the energy, power, the magic,
Speaker 3: whatever you gonna call it. It's it's all out there,
Speaker 3: and there are negative things, and there are positive things
Speaker 3: and everything in between, just like there's positive negative people
Speaker 3: and everything in between. But it's I think your intention
Speaker 3: is so important when you're doing not just investigating, but
Speaker 3: anything spiritual at all, anything, especially if it's ritual work.
Speaker 3: If you your intention is everything, and you really have
Speaker 3: to know what you want going into it and know
Speaker 3: what to expect and and you know and treat it
Speaker 3: with respect and yeah, and I think you'll be better off.
Speaker 3: There's goodn't bad ways to do everything, and and a
Speaker 3: lot of things that we apply to investigating is you know,
Speaker 3: you could apply to anything like the psychic protection around
Speaker 3: other people for example, of view, if you're not protected
Speaker 3: it and you go to a mall like You're gonna
Speaker 3: at least I will, I'm gonna come home drain, even
Speaker 3: though I didn't do anything. I walk around the mall
Speaker 3: for twenty minutes, thirty minutes. You know, I'll come home drain, like,
Speaker 3: oh man, but I'm around all these other people, all
Speaker 3: with stress and people yelling at their kids and like
Speaker 3: all this crazy activity going on, and it can drain you.
Speaker 3: And you know, people will do it just as quickly
Speaker 3: as a spirit can. I think because we're I mean,
Speaker 3: do you think about it, we're spirits, but we just
Speaker 3: have the body still. You know, stuff we're dealing with
Speaker 3: just has shuffled off their mortal coil, but there they're
Speaker 3: still out there, still.
Speaker 2: Around energy vampires so to speak.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah, and you could be
Speaker 3: doing it too without even realizing it. Energy for people.
Speaker 1: It's funny again, how you like even talk about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, how it would be good just to I guess,
Speaker 1: protect yourself anyway. Like when I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: severe seriously into doing magical stuff throughout the day or
Speaker 1: doing ritual work throughout the day before I left my house,
Speaker 1: I would have already have like kind of basically have
Speaker 1: done that. You know, that was like a normal thing
Speaker 1: to do all the time. So I get like the
Speaker 1: idea of the value of doing that. Before we wrap
Speaker 1: it up to the brooker or tyrone, do you have
Speaker 1: anything you wanted to add or ask or anything like that.
Speaker 2: No, this was an incredible conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fucking wild stories.
Speaker 6: Yeah, say the same thing. It was a great conversation.
Speaker 6: Definitely a great conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I tell you truth, this one I'll probably
Speaker 1: actually will re listen to because I was like Oh
Speaker 1: my fun because it was just some of the ship
Speaker 1: you were saying. I was just like stuck on one
Speaker 1: thing and like, you know, missed the minute of something else.
Speaker 1: He said, some pretty pretty wild ship in some of
Speaker 1: those stories. I appreciate it, man, Yeah, sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: If you ever ever have more stuff to talk about, man,
Speaker 1: just let me know you can always come on cool Brook.
Speaker 1: Before we wrap it up, why don't you let everybody
Speaker 1: know they can find all your amazing stuff. Sure thing.
Speaker 2: You can find me on Instagram at Dark Florida Podcast
Speaker 2: and refregate your podcast at Dark Florida.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you very much and time.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this was a great conversation, Michael. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Uh uh.
Speaker 6: Hearing your expertise and stuff like that is very interesting.
Speaker 6: I probably have some follow up questions that I'll think
Speaker 6: of because I'll go back and listen to this one.
Speaker 5: Also, everything that you can find on me is on
Speaker 5: my website, Rebirth at theWord dot com.
Speaker 6: You can also get my book Journey through the Origins
Speaker 6: of History on Amazon, which became a bestseller.
Speaker 5: Check it out.
Speaker 6: And I just started my documentary is going to be
Speaker 6: on Rumble. It's gonna just be me and my equipment
Speaker 6: and me just trying to do a little documentary. So
Speaker 6: don't expect that, you know, the Oscar Nomer knee type things.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll do great. You you got good equipment,
Speaker 1: so I know that I know the picture will look good. Nice.
Speaker 4: I'm excited for that.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 1: It can happen, and Mike, let everybody know what well
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I know the podcast is kind
Speaker 1: of on hiatus, but as if there's anything you want
Speaker 1: to plug or you know, socials.
Speaker 3: You can find me on Twitter. I'm useful the most
Speaker 3: active on there at the Bunker Cast, and the podcast
Speaker 3: will be coming back. I'm gonna be doing some deep
Speaker 3: dives into some books. I think it'll be going taking
Speaker 3: a deep dive into the the name escapes me.
Speaker 1: M crap.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go into some Keel books and uh
Speaker 3: and into some some shaman material, shamanic material and uh
Speaker 3: some more of them more on the ya Wu side
Speaker 3: of of stuff. I uh took a took a dive
Speaker 3: into some conspiracies and it got the ship got so
Speaker 3: dark that like I'm honestly like just just completely done.
Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm gonna take my focus back over
Speaker 3: here because they lose my ship because uh yeah, too
Speaker 3: many rabbit holes and it's uh it's some dark stuff
Speaker 3: going on out there right now, so I'll stick to
Speaker 3: the paranormal and uh yeah, we'll have some book reviews
Speaker 3: coming soon.
Speaker 1: Awesome, nice, nice, All right you guys, you guys like
Speaker 1: available for investigations and stuff.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, we Cobeth and I are in charge of
Speaker 3: a house in Burlington, New Jersey. Actually it's called West
Speaker 3: Hill Manor that was just put on the Historic Registry
Speaker 3: in two thoy nineteen. I believe we've been doing investigations
Speaker 3: at the house for three years almost four years now,
Speaker 3: and which is open to the public. You know, it's
Speaker 3: like forty bucks a person. However, many wanted to invite,
Speaker 3: and we've had loads and loads of groups around the
Speaker 3: area that investigat have come in and gathered evidence, and
Speaker 3: we had a nice little get together a few months ago,
Speaker 3: had all the teams come and bring their evidence and
Speaker 3: have We had a little presentations and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: and some refreshments and food. So yeah, we're doing stuff
Speaker 3: like that. That's like our primary sort of responsibility at
Speaker 3: this point. It's like every almost every Friday Saturday night
Speaker 3: and we're actually right now booked until I think almost December.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's kind of our or main responsibility right now.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Nice, all right. I was just saying if anybody
Speaker 1: wanted to maybe get into contact with you, I didn't
Speaker 1: know if that was like something you're done with.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, if you're interested investigating it, reach out if
Speaker 3: you're if you're in the area, for sure, and we
Speaker 3: because we're always doing events and investigations, and I mean
Speaker 3: there's you know, there's a place we investigate right down
Speaker 3: the street from it's within walking distance, so there's a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff around to investigate. Or we always have
Speaker 3: our you know, always jumping around from from group to
Speaker 3: group and investigation investigation here and there around this area.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, so yeah, feel free to reach out
Speaker 3: if you're interested, and I can give you some information.
Speaker 1: So I just added your your Twitter league just now
Speaker 1: into the show notes. I realized I didn't have anything
Speaker 1: in there for you. I'll add anything else that you
Speaker 1: want me to afterwards. But uh yeah, yeah, yeah, thank
Speaker 1: you very much man for coming on again. That that
Speaker 1: was really there's probably one of my no offense in
Speaker 1: any other paranormal people that I've had on, but think
Speaker 1: that one really got me. It was like, holy shit, yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that was fun. The
Speaker 1: chat too, That's what's up. There's a lot of people
Speaker 1: chatting in there, a lot of funny stuff, a lot
Speaker 1: of good stuff, a lot of serious stuff. That's what's up.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. That's why I like to go live.
Speaker 1: And that's the end of another Cult Rejects And oh tomorrow,
Speaker 1: if you guys catch it, we got somebody coming on
Speaker 1: about elongated skulls, giant skulls or whatever, giant skulls from
Speaker 1: a Ruba, so that should be interesting. She's been on
Speaker 1: before second time tonight tomorrow Heather, so check it out.
Speaker 1: And until the next one, everybody be well. Later