WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.799 You see something, You're going to happen? 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:18.399 As you? 4 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:29.120 Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, we got Mike 5 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:32.719 with me from the Bunker podcast. We're gonna be talking 6 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:36.520 some paranormal stuff. I'm very excited for this. But before 7 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:38.719 we introduce him, going to introduce the rest of the 8 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:40.600 reject So we got with me tonight. 9 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:41.880 I got Brooke, What is going on? 10 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:44.079 Brooke? How are you hi? 11 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:46.479 Thank you so much for having me. First, I want 12 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:49.520 to shout out Vanessa. I'm wearing one of her Truth 13 00:00:49.560 --> 00:00:53.039 and Dye shirt so her link is in the bio. 14 00:00:53.200 --> 00:00:55.280 Make sure you go check her out and support her stuff. 15 00:00:55.280 --> 00:00:59.359 She's fantastic and you can find me on Instagram at 16 00:00:59.399 --> 00:01:01.840 Dark Food of podcast and wherever you get your podcast. 17 00:01:01.880 --> 00:01:04.920 I'm excited to get into the spooky conversation tonight. 18 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:07.319 Yes, yes, yes, I figured you did enjoy that much. 19 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:10.359 Thank you for making And we got my man Tyrone. 20 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:13.879 What is going on to Rone? How are you good? Good? 21 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:17.040 What's going on? Everybody? How you doing? Michael H. Everything 22 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:18.239 you can find on me is on my. 23 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:21.640 Website rebirth at theWord dot com. Actually just started my 24 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:24.760 documentary today went to Rocky Eagle, f itg Mound. 25 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:26.400 So got some stuff coming up. 26 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:30.200 It's going to be exclusively exclusively on my Rumble account. 27 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:32.159 So just look for a rebirth of the word on Rumble. 28 00:01:32.799 --> 00:01:34.959 That is awesome, man, Glad you're going to make that happen. 29 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:39.159 And finally to the guest we got Mike, what is 30 00:01:39.200 --> 00:01:41.519 going on? Mike? How are you please let everybody know, 31 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:43.400 like what your deal is about your show or anything 32 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:44.680 you want to promote. 33 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:49.680 All right, thanks, of course, good to see everybody. How's 34 00:01:49.680 --> 00:01:49.920 it going? 35 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:50.239 Brook? 36 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:55.760 So this is a this is quite an honor. I 37 00:01:55.799 --> 00:02:00.159 reached out actually to Nick and I asked, you know, 38 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:02.599 you guys have many pernal investigators in your show. Was like, 39 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:06.439 discover your show. I love it, and I was curious 40 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:08.759 if you had anyone else on and you were just like, oh, yeah, 41 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:10.840 well you just come on and we'll discuss it. So 42 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:13.199 I was like, oh damn, this is great. I've been 43 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:15.719 a fan of the show for probably close to a year. 44 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:18.280 So it's an honor here. 45 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:20.159 It's cool. Thank you. 46 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:23.560 So yeah, let's let people know, like, what what's your deal? 47 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:24.960 I know you've got a podcast and everything. 48 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:28.479 Yeah, the podcast a little bit of a hiatus. 49 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:30.319 Right now, Yeah, I didn't. I didn't notice that. Sorry, 50 00:02:30.360 --> 00:02:33.840 I forgot. Yeah, the last episode was like February, right, yeah. 51 00:02:33.719 --> 00:02:36.639 Yeah, I'm getting into some different materials and do some 52 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:39.639 research and stuff now. But yeah, but it's the Bunker. 53 00:02:39.759 --> 00:02:42.240 If he starts the Bunker paranormal pretty much on any podcast, 54 00:02:42.479 --> 00:02:43.599 you're gonna you're gonna find it. 55 00:02:44.759 --> 00:02:44.879 Now. 56 00:02:44.879 --> 00:02:48.360 I'm on Twitter as well in the Bunker cast. That's 57 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:52.039 pretty much hit. As far as my online persona, I 58 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:57.199 began investigating got into it back in two thousand and one. 59 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.759 Two thousand and two, Range I moved into this huge, 60 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:06.000 this huge house in we took New Jersey and it 61 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:09.840 was the actually it's the Presbyterian Church Manson Building, So 62 00:03:09.879 --> 00:03:12.439 it was like the building that the minister would stay in. 63 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.560 And it's an old old house, was built seventeen seventy six, 64 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.039 and it was a carriage house, it was an inn, 65 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:21.000 it was a person, it was a farm, it was 66 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:24.400 a person of residence and everything, and eventually the church 67 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:27.000 owned it. We got the opportunity to move in there 68 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:29.639 because you know, some of my friends and I had 69 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:32.599 grown up in that town just kept hearing you know, 70 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:34.360 you grow up. We heard about the all the ghost 71 00:03:34.400 --> 00:03:36.360 stories about this house, this little ghost girl that was 72 00:03:36.360 --> 00:03:39.719 seen there, and this woman that had seen there. Everyone 73 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:42.240 that has ever lived there, every minister, we would like 74 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:43.639 like shaken him down, like, hey, you know, have you 75 00:03:43.680 --> 00:03:48.080 seen anything? And every individual that lived there had experiences 76 00:03:48.120 --> 00:03:50.039 and so we were super excited to move in there. 77 00:03:50.560 --> 00:03:53.280 So it was like two thousand and one ish s 78 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:55.080 right around two thousand, two thousand and one, we moved 79 00:03:55.080 --> 00:03:58.840 in there for a year lease and the activity was 80 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:00.960 immediate and it was all the. 81 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:03.879 Time right away. 82 00:04:04.800 --> 00:04:05.159 Yeah. 83 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:07.560 Yeah, And we had spoken to to one of the 84 00:04:07.560 --> 00:04:10.039 groundskeepers later on and they said, yeah, you know, whenever 85 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:12.800 someone just moves in or is just moving out, or 86 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:15.439 if you're doing any kind of activity or changing the 87 00:04:15.479 --> 00:04:18.560 space around or anything, that's when activity goes nuts. And 88 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:21.040 they were absolutely correct, because when we first moved in, 89 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:23.240 it was off the charts. I mean there was like 90 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:27.720 doors slamming, we had windows open and close. We at 91 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:32.399 one point, the craziest experience in that place was my 92 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:36.279 wife at the time and I are in the kitchen 93 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:38.120 and we're sitting there having a conversation, getting ready to 94 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:39.600 go to bed. It's late, you know, nine thirty ten 95 00:04:39.600 --> 00:04:45.000 o'clock and a friend of ours is standing with us 96 00:04:45.040 --> 00:04:46.639 in the kitchen and he's getting ready to leave out. The 97 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.920 back door goes right behind him. Right above his head 98 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:52.600 is a ceiling fan and it's on. It's spinning, and 99 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:54.000 we're sitting there, you know, it's just kind of saying 100 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:56.319 our goodby. It's a little small talk, and we hear 101 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:59.959 a click, click, and the light that's on the ceiling 102 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.319 fan goes off and you can clearly hear the chain 103 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:06.759 like clinking. Yeah, the light bulb, you knowing King King. 104 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:08.800 Yeah, as soon as you said that, I was like, 105 00:05:08.839 --> 00:05:11.079 picture of the yeah, yeah, yeah. 106 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:13.279 So we all he stops midsentence and just looks straight 107 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.680 up and you can see the chain just swinging. He's like, 108 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:17.839 that's it, I'm out, and he just turns around and leaves, 109 00:05:18.439 --> 00:05:20.680 and we were like, holy crap, like what that. So 110 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:22.920 we turned the lights off. We were like, you know, 111 00:05:22.959 --> 00:05:25.199 we were a little freaked out for a little bit 112 00:05:25.519 --> 00:05:29.279 for obvious reasons. Eventually calm down. Now we're getting ready 113 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:30.800 to go to bed, maybe an hour an hour and 114 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:34.759 a half later, and we see what we thought was 115 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:39.160 one of our daughters run through the dining room and 116 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:41.439 into the like the front room towards the front door. 117 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.399 And it's this funny thing about power them activity is 118 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.680 when you witness it, most people think that don't kind 119 00:05:49.680 --> 00:05:52.079 of do it regularly. They think like, oh my god, 120 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:55.360 it's so scary, it's gonna be you know, it's gonna 121 00:05:55.360 --> 00:05:57.160 be these jump scares all the stuff like you see 122 00:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.319 in the movies. But it's not like that at all. 123 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:01.319 I mean, you see, like we saw clearly saw a 124 00:06:01.319 --> 00:06:03.399 little girl that we just both assumed was our daughter, 125 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:07.040 you know, run through the room and then give your 126 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:08.959 brain about five or ten seconds to catch up, and 127 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:10.920 then you realize like, oh, wait a minute, all the 128 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.759 floors this house creaked. We didn't hear any floors creaking. 129 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:18.079 We weren't moving. There was no sound at all. No 130 00:06:18.199 --> 00:06:20.920 lights went on, no doors closed or opened. No, there's 131 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.160 no sound at all. And we were like, wait a minute, 132 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:27.639 we should have heard. So we creep upstairs. Both our daughters, 133 00:06:27.680 --> 00:06:31.839 of course, are you know, sound asleep in bed. And 134 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:33.879 it was kind of like that stuff like on a 135 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:36.920 regular basis. And so it got to the point where 136 00:06:36.920 --> 00:06:38.319 I was just like I gotta you know, I have 137 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:41.480 to figure this out. This is this is crazy like, well, 138 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:44.920 I like, I like, my ex was freaked out. She 139 00:06:45.040 --> 00:06:47.759 was like like legitimately scared. I was kind of psyched 140 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:52.720 about it, to be honest, but my daughter, but my 141 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:56.720 ex was terrified. And so I was like, let me 142 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:58.199 just look into this to see if I can figure out. 143 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:00.439 I go online and I do some searches. I find 144 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:02.959 there's a there's a group in Jersey, in South Jersey 145 00:07:03.959 --> 00:07:05.800 like investigates for people. And I was like, holy crap, 146 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:07.879 there's people that do this. This was like right around 147 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:11.399 the same time as like Ghost Hunters show came out, 148 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:13.759 So I was like, man, there's people to actually do this. 149 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:14.439 This is crazy. 150 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:19.120 So so there was like a whole whole like application 151 00:07:19.279 --> 00:07:23.079 process and interview process and everything, and so, you know, 152 00:07:23.160 --> 00:07:30.120 I applied, got interviewed. It was pretty intense. I mean 153 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:34.160 it was some heavy questioning. There were some like psychologists 154 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:36.879 and like cops and stuff that were you know sort 155 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:38.680 of behind the scenes, you know, like they generate the 156 00:07:38.759 --> 00:07:40.399 questions and stuff like that because they really want to 157 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:43.720 figure out like are you mentally stable? Are you like 158 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:45.680 you can be something that's gonna come in and it's 159 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:50.360 gonna just freak out everything. Are you like mentally unwell, 160 00:07:50.439 --> 00:07:53.199 do you have like you know, personality issues, like anger issues, 161 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:56.480 Like they really want to figure out because because the 162 00:07:56.480 --> 00:07:59.839 thing with the group is they're going to be welcome 163 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:02.920 to some stranger's house to to help them with like 164 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:04.959 some issues they're having, and they're already scared, they're already 165 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:08.199 stressed out. There's no one else they can call. So 166 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:09.600 they want to know that you got your head screwed 167 00:08:09.639 --> 00:08:11.560 on straight and you really are serious about it, and 168 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:15.439 you're really gonna be you know, you know, you're not 169 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:18.560 gonna make the situation worse. You know what I mean? 170 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:20.920 If you come in and freaked out and you see 171 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:22.920 a shadow and you go run and screaming from the house, 172 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:25.639 like that's gonna now, now the now, the house, the 173 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:27.839 homeowners are twice as terrified. Oh oh my god. I 174 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:29.560 call these guys in and they're scared, you know what 175 00:08:29.600 --> 00:08:29.800 I mean? 176 00:08:30.199 --> 00:08:33.320 Well, Iron can get away with that from Ghost Aventure. 177 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:37.279 Yeah, exactly exactly, And so so I joined the group. 178 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.519 I was accepted. The training was like eleven months long, 179 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:42.200 was almost the whole year of training, and that was like, 180 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:45.759 you know, how to write reports, which I did as 181 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:47.799 an MP, so that was no problem. For me how 182 00:08:47.840 --> 00:08:52.759 to use the equipment, uh, you know, identifying false positives. 183 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:53.799 And then it was you know, it was a whole 184 00:08:53.840 --> 00:08:56.159 section on like interviews, like how to interview a client, 185 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:58.720 you know, things to say not to say, you know, 186 00:09:00.559 --> 00:09:05.039 and there was actually the first class that we took 187 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.039 was Psychic Protection class. And I was like, well, this 188 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:09.600 is kind of weird because, like I said to you 189 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:12.759 before the show, when I first got into this, the 190 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:15.279 parent ALMOS stuff, I didn't believe in psychics, mediums none 191 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:17.919 that I just I never happened to run into anyone 192 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:21.679 that was legit one, so I thought that was all BS. 193 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:24.639 So I almost enjoyed the group because I saw that 194 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:26.840 they use equipment and scientific math and all this stuff. 195 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:28.919 But they also used medium a psychist and I was like, ah, 196 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:32.440 I can enjoy because of that because I'm like, oh, man, 197 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:33.679 like this is kind of hokey. 198 00:09:33.879 --> 00:09:35.399 Well, I mean you can even have somebody who's like 199 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:36.879 I just got to fake the funks, so they keep 200 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:37.200 me here. 201 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:39.080 You know what I'm saying. 202 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:40.840 I got entertained these people, so they keep me on 203 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:42.480 the list. So I mean, you might just make shit up, 204 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:44.840 or you just might be delusional. Anyway, you know I 205 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:45.120 got it. 206 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:51.200 Yeah, yeah, yep, yeah. So so so the training was like, 207 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:52.879 you know, eleven months long. Like I said, there's a 208 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:56.960 whole test at the end and everything. And so I 209 00:09:57.039 --> 00:10:02.399 started investigating using the equipment, helping people out. We would 210 00:10:02.440 --> 00:10:04.559 we would do like personal cases, but we'd also do 211 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:07.279 like historical homes stuff like that, and you know, help 212 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:10.240 them raise money for fundraisers and stuff like that, because 213 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:11.879 that's a pretty cool thing. We can we do it 214 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:14.799 on our own. Now, just Beth and I, uh, going in. 215 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:16.679 We'll investigate a place, We'll get some evidence, and then 216 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:19.559 will whole little event, share the evidence, have a little fundraiser, 217 00:10:19.559 --> 00:10:20.879 and you can raise some money for the for the 218 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.200 for the building and stuff like that. And it's also 219 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.200 it's a cool way to like just practically equipment or 220 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:29.039 if you get practice with it, figure out how works, 221 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:34.720 get that practice techniques and stuff like that. But yeah, 222 00:10:34.720 --> 00:10:38.720 there was a lot of private cases, and I found that, 223 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:42.360 like the longer I was investigating, I was starting to 224 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:47.519 feel stuff and it was good that these other psychics, 225 00:10:47.519 --> 00:10:50.519 that people that were like practicing doing this stuff, and 226 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:53.039 there were many legitimate ones in that group, by the way, 227 00:10:55.000 --> 00:10:58.120 being around them as as a guide. Was was great 228 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:03.039 because I started noticing that I was like feeling stuff. 229 00:11:03.039 --> 00:11:04.559 I would like walk into a certain area of the 230 00:11:04.600 --> 00:11:06.360 house and I'd start and I would feel like dizzy, 231 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:09.200 off balance and like kind of nauseous a little bit. 232 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:11.799 I'd be like, oh man, what's going on? I'm thinking 233 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:15.159 like how did I eat? You know? And but then 234 00:11:15.159 --> 00:11:17.840 what's weird is like, you know, I mentioned somebody because 235 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:20.679 that's part of the training, like anything you see feels sense. 236 00:11:21.039 --> 00:11:22.679 You know, you call everything out right because you know 237 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:24.480 you don't want to me any like suffering silence in 238 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:26.200 the corner or something like that. You got a bunch 239 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:29.080 of people in total darkness. You gotta keep track of everybody, 240 00:11:29.120 --> 00:11:32.480 you know what I mean. And so I move out 241 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:35.840 of that area, feeling goes away, and I'm like, oh 242 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:38.639 that's weird. And I just step outside for like two 243 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.080 minutes and like feel totally fine, Like oh wow, okay, 244 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:44.840 walk back into the same spot. Feeling comes back. So 245 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:47.120 just so I started communicating with some of these other 246 00:11:47.159 --> 00:11:48.480 mediums and stuff, and I'm like, what the heck is 247 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:50.480 going on? And they'd be like, oh, well, there's a 248 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.559 there's a spirit stand over there that's you're probably just 249 00:11:52.559 --> 00:11:55.360 feeling that and like what and like, over time, it's 250 00:11:55.399 --> 00:11:59.399 like as I kept investigating and getting this guidance and 251 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:01.840 advice from, you know, from like these practicing psychics at 252 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:06.039 the same time seeing equipment go off corresponding to what 253 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:08.639 they're saying, and then later on going through evidence and 254 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:10.799 then finding evidence of you know, like this is oh, 255 00:12:10.879 --> 00:12:12.639 like hey, this vestciator said there's a there was a 256 00:12:12.639 --> 00:12:14.080 woman with us in the room, and then you low 257 00:12:14.159 --> 00:12:16.240 the behold. You go back over your recordings and you've 258 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:19.360 got this female voice chiming in, like I'm having a 259 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:22.080 conversation with Joe over there, and there's this extra voice 260 00:12:22.080 --> 00:12:24.320 popping in and it's like answering us at some point 261 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:29.919 it's like intelligent responses. So yeah, exactly, yeah, which you know, 262 00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:34.320 the EVP is by definition that's like something your recorder 263 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:37.919 picks up that no one heard with their ear. And 264 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:41.399 another interesting thing with that, thanks for bringing up, is 265 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:46.000 is I started I started hearing stuff like crazy that 266 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:53.039 that other people recorded but didn't hear. And with the 267 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:55.639 with the with the director at the group basically said 268 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:57.159 it was like, you know, everyone has kind of has 269 00:12:57.200 --> 00:12:59.879 their thing. You know, everyone has like the either a 270 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:01.639 certain piece of equipment that they have a lot of 271 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:05.919 success with, or they'll have a certain feeling, like they'll 272 00:13:06.000 --> 00:13:07.879 hear really good the heal stuff no one else hears, 273 00:13:07.960 --> 00:13:10.039 or they'll just feel stuff that no one else feels, 274 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.519 or you know, they'll actually see things in their mind's 275 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:16.639 eye or whatever. And so my thing, I seem to 276 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:19.480 be like just hearing stuff because I started hearing voices 277 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:21.600 like crazy that I'd be in a room full of 278 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:23.360 people and I would hear a stream loud as hell, 279 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:25.879 and I'd be like, whoa, you guys hear that? No, 280 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:27.679 and you're four or five other people in the room 281 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:32.320 didn't hear it, you know. And you'd also have sometimes 282 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:35.679 two three recorders in the room, the exact same brand recorder, 283 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:38.039 all recording sitting on the you know, on the table 284 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:40.799 next to each other. One of those recorders will pick 285 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:42.679 it up and the other two don't, or two will 286 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:47.080 pick it up and one won't. Like over time doing this, 287 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:51.080 it's like doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason 288 00:13:51.120 --> 00:13:54.600 to it. And I think a lot of people that investigate, 289 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.639 the longer they investigate, the they sort of become occulted. 290 00:13:58.879 --> 00:14:01.480 And you know, with That's sort of the the overall 291 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:06.440 topic of the of tonight is if if it's what 292 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:08.320 we're doing with equipment we go into a space, or 293 00:14:08.320 --> 00:14:10.879 we're trying to communicate, it's divination. Like if if whether 294 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:14.440 whether you're using an Ouiji board or a compass or 295 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:20.360 dowsing rods or of rimpod or some other electromagnetic device, 296 00:14:21.559 --> 00:14:25.000 you know, you're basically you're basically defining You're like you're 297 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:27.279 you're literally directly trying to communicate with spirits. 298 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:28.759 Yeah, I guess like the same thing. 299 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:30.759 Well, I mean it'll be a little bit more drastic, 300 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:32.919 but like if I'm trying to call TOAF or to 301 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:35.159 HOODI or whatever down to help with the talisman, I 302 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:37.240 mean what difference. I mean, I'm going through a lot more. 303 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:39.320 I'm doing a ritual, but I mean you guys are 304 00:14:39.879 --> 00:14:41.840 calling for something too and trying to get proof of it. 305 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:44.639 That's interesting exactly. I looked at it like that. 306 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:49.200 Using Luisi board. That about using Theisi board for example. 307 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:52.120 Yeah, yeah, that's why I was like, oh that's interesting. 308 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:55.200 Yea, there is a go ahead. 309 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:57.360 I'm sorry, I was gonna say, it's really interesting. You 310 00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:00.519 bring up the feelings of it too. So I also 311 00:15:00.639 --> 00:15:03.559 go out and do paranormal investigations and stuff like that. 312 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:07.200 And it hasn't been until I've really gotten into it 313 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:10.879 and have allowed myself to be more open that I 314 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:14.159 started having feelings too. And I never had thought of 315 00:15:14.200 --> 00:15:16.679 myself as a sensitive or anything like that. But I 316 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.960 think the more you raise your vibration, you become aware 317 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.440 of these things and you kind of dial in, you 318 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.360 can hit this other frequency and start feeling things and 319 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:29.600 experiencing things that I think maybe other people miss or 320 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:32.440 numb themselves, or just they're not in the mental state 321 00:15:32.519 --> 00:15:35.759 to receive. And that's a real thing. You can be 322 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:39.440 standing in an area and just this overwhelming nausea will 323 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:41.799 come over you and it's kind of strange when you 324 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:43.879 experience it. And then, like you said, you go outside 325 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:46.519 or you change the location and then it's like, Okay, 326 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:48.799 I feel ten million times better, like a weight has 327 00:15:48.840 --> 00:15:53.799 been lifted. Oh, thankfully you had a good guides to 328 00:15:53.879 --> 00:15:56.159 kind of help you through that and you weren't navigating 329 00:15:56.200 --> 00:15:57.039 that on your own. 330 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.399 Yeah. Yeah, and it's good it was, and like a 331 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:03.960 professional sort of approach to it because because everything that 332 00:16:04.159 --> 00:16:06.559 everything we did, everything that we experienced, we tried to. 333 00:16:06.679 --> 00:16:09.440 We try to duplicate it like right away, like like 334 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:11.960 the example I gave walking into a certain area of 335 00:16:12.039 --> 00:16:13.679 room and all of a sudden, I someone throw up. 336 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:16.759 I walk away, I feel fine. I grab another investigator, 337 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:18.159 he can go. Can you just go over there? You 338 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:19.960 don't tell them what you've sensed, You don't tell them 339 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:21.639 what you feel, and don't want to lead them or 340 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.600 you know, put something in their head, but you want 341 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:26.080 to just say, yeah, just could you just go stand 342 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:28.279 over there for a second and let them go stand 343 00:16:28.279 --> 00:16:30.360 over there? Okay, Oh yeah, I feel I feel weird, 344 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:33.240 I feel sick over here. Okay, let them move out 345 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:34.440 of the way, get somebody else in there. And so 346 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:37.320 you just keep doing that and verifying it, and then 347 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:39.559 you know, you're writing these reports, so you're like accounting 348 00:16:39.600 --> 00:16:41.200 for every minute of the day, you know, like so 349 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:43.799 and so three rooms down, drop the flash light at 350 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.600 eight oh seven, like oh, someone in another room, I 351 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:48.679 thought I heard a bump or whatever. And their report 352 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:49.399 they're gonna be like, oh. 353 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.879 Yeah, I heard that's really that's impressive. Yeah, I like that. 354 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:55.799 Yeah, it is so important we do that when we 355 00:16:55.879 --> 00:16:59.279 do investigations as well, especially while out with the BFRO. 356 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:01.639 So that way, you're right. When you have other groups, 357 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:03.519 you can cross it out. And but so say you 358 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:05.960 all heard that at eight oh seven, but you heard 359 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:07.839 a scream or a knock at eight twelve and no 360 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:10.960 one else did. That's when you can really pinpoint those 361 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:12.160 moments of activity. 362 00:17:13.000 --> 00:17:15.920 Yeah, exactly, exactly, And there's and there's all these techniques 363 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:19.279 for you know, even recording like it's you know, everyone 364 00:17:19.319 --> 00:17:21.839 is told, like you know, to just be into our heads. 365 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:25.599 Do not ever whisper under no circumstances you want you 366 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:27.559 don't want to be loud and crazy and an investigation 367 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:31.519 excuse me, obviously, but you don't want to whisper either. 368 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:33.400 If you're gonna if you have to say something or talk, 369 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:35.000 you just do it a normal tone of voice. That way, 370 00:17:35.519 --> 00:17:38.799 later on in recording, it's really easy to identify, Oh 371 00:17:38.799 --> 00:17:42.799 that's Mike, Oh yeah, he drops flashly, or my tummy 372 00:17:42.839 --> 00:17:44.359 made a weird noise. So you can be surprised that 373 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:47.240 some of these real sensitive recorders you get like a 374 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:48.920 little belly grumble. It sounds like a demon. 375 00:17:49.000 --> 00:17:50.680 Just you know, I hear that stuff out of people 376 00:17:50.680 --> 00:17:54.400 on podcasts. No lies, I'm sure, I'm sure that happens 377 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:56.119 with the recording. I just gonna keep it. 378 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:00.920 Yeah, yeah, I wonder what that I can't approach it, yeah, 379 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:03.160 real professionally, because you know, you need to account for 380 00:18:03.200 --> 00:18:06.079 everything so you can rule the normal stuff out. And 381 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:07.960 and when you when you work really hard to work 382 00:18:08.000 --> 00:18:10.920 and you know, weed out all the normal stuff, what 383 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:13.359 you're left with is like, you know, it's more impressive, 384 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:16.759 and it's it's it's more fits into the category of 385 00:18:16.759 --> 00:18:18.079 like unexplained or paranormal. 386 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:21.559 But yeah, I'm smoking. 387 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:25.200 You can't smoke, no, because it could be mistaken for 388 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:33.160 misted like or or spirit or we'll have Hey, we'll 389 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:34.559 have a designated smoking area. 390 00:18:35.960 --> 00:18:42.240 There's gonna be tons of gummies. Sorry, go ahead, go ahead. 391 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:48.559 Yeah, And it's it's it's yeah, it's just like you know, 392 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:51.200 I've been thinking a lot about it lately. It's it's 393 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:57.480 it's a lot of people get into this. And you 394 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:01.920 mentioned a no ago brooke, like the more you sitting 395 00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:05.440 in a poleate darkness and or you know, and everyone 396 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:07.759 is silent and you get like your mouth, you know, 397 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:09.920 your like mouse here and kind of tunes in when 398 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:12.720 it's real quiet for a long time, and you you 399 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.559 can you can hear a lot more. But one of 400 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:16.799 the things they told us right in the beginning of 401 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:20.200