Speaker 1: Dirty hands means queen theology.
Speaker 2: Can you dig it? What is going on?
Speaker 3: All my local guys and gals and long distance pials.
Speaker 2: We are back, indeed indeed.
Speaker 4: Still missing our our friendly neighborhood sasquatch.
Speaker 2: But you know we didn't get the memo.
Speaker 4: I did. I fired. Yeah, he's been hiding in the
Speaker 4: woods too long, but missing Ben as always, that seems.
Speaker 4: But keep pushing on, keep plugging in. I'm excited, man,
Speaker 4: this is this is always fun. You know, every time
Speaker 4: we get together, we get to talk. I learned more,
Speaker 4: I grow. You know, my faith has been monumentally bolstered
Speaker 4: by doing this show, by being around the people that
Speaker 4: we've met, people that we talked to, and everybody's got
Speaker 4: something different.
Speaker 5: To bring to the table, and.
Speaker 4: We won't dive into it yet, but our guest today
Speaker 4: is definitely another one of those guys. So justin if
Speaker 4: you'd like to kick us off with some prayer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, Dear kind and gracious heavenly Father, thank you
Speaker 3: for today, and thank you for all the many blessings
Speaker 3: that you give, because each and every single one is
Speaker 3: a blessing beyond what we have earned. And I've said
Speaker 3: it many times. Thank God, thank you for not giving
Speaker 3: us what we deserve, because we deserve death and destruction,
Speaker 3: and just so thankful for that and for every single
Speaker 3: breath we take because our promised Father, we take that
Speaker 3: for granted. Thank you for this time together and fellowship.
Speaker 3: Thank you for giving us a platform to discuss your word,
Speaker 3: your effects and movements through people's lives, and just living
Speaker 3: in a free country to dive through your word and
Speaker 3: do these things. Father, We're grateful and also just thankful
Speaker 3: for all the listeners that bring us into their homes.
Speaker 3: You know, me and Steve take for granted a lot
Speaker 3: of times that you know, we are trusted to come
Speaker 3: into people's homes and fellowship with them and their family.
Speaker 3: We're thankful for that. We pray blessing over the listener's
Speaker 3: father and that our words be edified you. But we
Speaker 3: just thank you, Father. I'm just I know I've said
Speaker 3: that several times, but i am. I'm just thankful Father,
Speaker 3: Thank you in Jesus name.
Speaker 4: Amen, Amen, love it, love it. It's like you know
Speaker 4: where two or three are gathering his name. He's in
Speaker 4: the midst of you and I you know you feel
Speaker 4: them come in when when you get together to talk
Speaker 4: about things like this.
Speaker 5: It's powerful.
Speaker 3: So yeah, in today's episode, Man, I'm excited for because
Speaker 3: we tell you you guys all the time.
Speaker 2: If you got a.
Speaker 3: Testimony, if you got a story, you know, whether it's
Speaker 3: a supernatural testimony or how God's working in your life,
Speaker 3: or if you're a researcher an author, you know.
Speaker 2: Hey, reach out to us.
Speaker 3: You know, our email is you know, the dig four
Speaker 3: two three at gmail dot com. We'd love to hear
Speaker 3: from you, have you on the show. And this is
Speaker 3: a direct result of that. So you know, we get
Speaker 3: a few emails from time to time, but this is
Speaker 3: honestly the first or maybe second time. It's it's I
Speaker 3: can counted on one hand that an actual listener reached
Speaker 3: out to us and we're bringing them on the show today.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited.
Speaker 5: Mmm, I'm excited.
Speaker 4: Well, if you want to go ahead, introduce our guests
Speaker 4: and uh, let's see where this, this this crazy ride
Speaker 4: takes us today.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I was going through the emails and
Speaker 3: how to eat email from a listener and was explaining
Speaker 3: how they've been listening to the show and digging in.
Speaker 3: They've been enjoying it and they had just finished a
Speaker 3: project and that they were a writer and they wanted
Speaker 3: to share the work with me and take a look
Speaker 3: at it. And I was like, well, sure, you know,
Speaker 3: and I was, you know, in my mind, I'm thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 3: we have another cool Nephelon you know story or Genesis
Speaker 3: six kind of thing, and it's kind of in that vein.
Speaker 3: But he's like, no, I do comic books. And I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, all right, man, And he's like, I
Speaker 3: just wrote this book called Five Stones.
Speaker 2: He said.
Speaker 3: It's in comic book for him. He said, it's the
Speaker 3: story of David and Goliath. He said, but with all
Speaker 3: the scripture tied in and the weird things that they're
Speaker 3: not talking about behind the pull pit. And I was like, yeah, man, definitely.
Speaker 3: So he was kind enough to send this over to me.
Speaker 3: Here's the front cover, guys, and it's got all kinds
Speaker 3: of just awesome artwork.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: You know, if you have young adult kids, teenagers, or
Speaker 3: even teenagers at heart, they're gonna love this thing. But
Speaker 3: I'd like to just welcome to the show and talk
Speaker 3: about this topic. And his new book is Adam Ferris. Adam,
Speaker 3: thank you man. I appreciate the book and your time
Speaker 3: to come talk to us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, thank you very much for bringing me on.
Speaker 5: Pretty surreal to be on here now from just listening
Speaker 5: to you guys, be honest with you, pretty crazy.
Speaker 4: Listen, man, I've never I've never written a comic book,
Speaker 4: so it's surreal talking to a comic book guy. I mean,
Speaker 4: you got to think about this, and the only difference
Speaker 4: is that you know, we're all doing what we're called
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 5: Right, That's right. Yeah, that's that's exactly right. That's exactly right.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just want you to open up and
Speaker 4: kind of kind of give us a background of where
Speaker 4: you come from and how you got to hear.
Speaker 5: Okay, so so real quick, you know, Adam Ferris, appreciate
Speaker 5: the introduction, appreciate interest in the book to raise Pentecostal
Speaker 5: Christian about seventeen left the church and you know, went
Speaker 5: through the life and stuff like that. Well we get
Speaker 5: to the end of twenty twenty two. At that point,
Speaker 5: I've been a distribution center manager for about fourteen years.
Speaker 5: Career guy, career focus, got wife, kids, mortgage, you know,
Speaker 5: doing the thing, and was at this point in my
Speaker 5: career I was managing union and it was really wearing
Speaker 5: me out. For the people that are on the other
Speaker 5: side of union, they'll feel me pretty is beat me up.
Speaker 5: And I was getting some career fatigue and kind of
Speaker 5: questioning things and you know, just going through it in
Speaker 5: my forties, so I guess that's normal. So coincidentally, listening
Speaker 5: to a lot of the stoic stuff, you know, Jordan Peterson,
Speaker 5: you know, just learning, you know, and the point was,
Speaker 5: you know, I was born and raised Christian, but at
Speaker 5: this point, you know, I'm an adult. We're not active.
Speaker 5: I'm just kind of just going through life and whatnot.
Speaker 5: So Jordan Peterson had an interesting quote. It was talking
Speaker 5: about strength, and he was talking about you really want
Speaker 5: to be strong, be the strongest man, to be the
Speaker 5: strongest person. As your father's funeral. I don't know if
Speaker 5: you've guys heard that quote, but coincidentally it stood out
Speaker 5: to me, and you know, I went to work, was
Speaker 5: telling my guys that work, oh yeah, you know, donad
Speaker 5: I'll talking about strength. I was just trying to you know,
Speaker 5: build my team and whatnot. Well, about a week or
Speaker 5: two later, my father passed, so obviously I figured out why,
Speaker 5: you know, why I heard that. You know, God had
Speaker 5: put that in my path clearly, and it was one
Speaker 5: of those things where I was, I was there, you know,
Speaker 5: I got the call I had to come to the
Speaker 5: hospital and be with him, and was there with my mother,
Speaker 5: and then you know, we went back to the house
Speaker 5: and we got the phone call, please come back. He
Speaker 5: didn't make it, And uh, what do you do? You know,
Speaker 5: I'm the youngest, I'm I've got a older brother, I've
Speaker 5: got a not a big family, not really super close,
Speaker 5: and I'm two hours away, you know, my my wife
Speaker 5: and kids here at house. I'm I'm in Lynchburg, And
Speaker 5: uh what do you do? You're right there at it,
Speaker 5: You're right there facing it. So all that kept going
Speaker 5: through my head was that Jordan Peterson quote. And then
Speaker 5: you know, I think I think I even emailed. I
Speaker 5: know he probably never saw it, but I emailed Jordan
Speaker 5: Peterson was like, man, your quote got me through it. Man.
Speaker 5: But but yeah, I just I sucked it up, was
Speaker 5: there for my mom. You know, got through the funeral
Speaker 5: was impossibly difficult, having to pick out things and not ball.
Speaker 5: You know, I just had to be the rock. So
Speaker 5: I got through it, got my family through it, and
Speaker 5: then of course I started cracking. You know. It was
Speaker 5: probably two or three months into it, we went to
Speaker 5: Disneyland and it just it just smashed me and a
Speaker 5: lot of stuff obviously started piling up, and then I
Speaker 5: just had to take a take a little bit of
Speaker 5: time off. It took two months off to just clear
Speaker 5: my head, and it was it was super tough. And
Speaker 5: a job opportunity came across and it was absolutely perfect.
Speaker 5: Absolutely point of all this was like, I've never done
Speaker 5: comic books or anything. I was just a career guy
Speaker 5: at this point, one hundred percent never done anything like
Speaker 5: this in my life. So anyways, job opportunity comes across
Speaker 5: and it's perfect, has has uh a lot of opportunities
Speaker 5: for me, for my family. Just it was perfect. And
Speaker 5: I'll explain. But and I knew that it was from God.
Speaker 5: I just I could tell. I just and I said,
Speaker 5: you know what, I feel like you've been knocking. I
Speaker 5: feel like this has been going on for a while.
Speaker 5: I'm down. Whatever it is. You know, I I'm the
Speaker 5: guy now, my father's past. You know, I've got a
Speaker 5: lot of responsibility. Now let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 5: Whatever it is, whatever it is, we'll do it. So
Speaker 5: he got a backtrack of hair. I forgot to mention.
Speaker 5: So right around like right before my father passed, writing
Speaker 5: was was really on my heart for some odd reason.
Speaker 5: Obviously I can't say odd because we know why, but
Speaker 5: it was, it was really really on my heart. And
Speaker 5: that was when I was going through trying to figure
Speaker 5: stuff out, and I was googling how to write a
Speaker 5: script because just I just I could. I just want
Speaker 5: to write for some reason. And then every once in
Speaker 5: a while I would have this thought of like David Glythe,
Speaker 5: like just that would just you know, you'd be doing something.
Speaker 5: I'd be doing something, and just David Glithe, I didn't
Speaker 5: know what it was. So anyway, so there I am.
Speaker 5: I've done, I've done giving in told God, I'm down.
Speaker 5: So then I start trying to figure out what it
Speaker 5: is that I can do, and and I think about
Speaker 5: Aaron and Moses, and you know, at this time was
Speaker 5: because I didn't feel like I had a voice. I
Speaker 5: didn't know what I could do. I had no idea.
Speaker 5: I don't I mean, if I was led to be
Speaker 5: a preacher, I would be I don't feel like that's
Speaker 5: that's who I am. So it was like what I
Speaker 5: what can I do. So, you know, I started thinking
Speaker 5: about what I enjoy, which is MCU. I'm a big
Speaker 5: comic book guy, like to Marvel movies. I was thinking
Speaker 5: about that, and then I was thinking about how there's
Speaker 5: not a lot of really good content out there in
Speaker 5: that in that light, and then I started thinking about
Speaker 5: the whole Dave and Goliath thing. So I'm like, all right, well,
Speaker 5: I guess that's what you've been telling me to do.
Speaker 5: Let's do it. So yeah, I just had to. I
Speaker 5: had to. I had to figure it all out, the
Speaker 5: entire step. And there's a lot of crazy stuff that
Speaker 5: I do want to share with you guys, with things
Speaker 5: that happened through this of what I learned. So but
Speaker 5: just in a nutshell, yeah, my father passed a really
Speaker 5: hard time in my life, and and and the calling
Speaker 5: was to put the word out and that the form
Speaker 5: that it took was a comic book.
Speaker 4: That's powerful, man. You always It's something that I like
Speaker 4: to always make sure people understand is that everybody has
Speaker 4: a testimony, right, everybody does. So whatever that testimony is,
Speaker 4: and some people can say there's this, there's a small there,
Speaker 4: they can say that it's it's not that big a deal.
Speaker 4: Or they can have gone through something like you said,
Speaker 4: something very difficult that brought you to where you are,
Speaker 4: and God can use very terrible things and bring something
Speaker 4: amazing out of it on the other end. But when
Speaker 4: you talk about this and you bring out your testimony,
Speaker 4: I think it's so important that people hear this because
Speaker 4: they have to understand that when they feel those nudges,
Speaker 4: when they feel that push, there's a reason, like don't
Speaker 4: ignore it. The Holy Spirit pushes on you, and the
Speaker 4: more that you ignore it, the more that you kind
Speaker 4: of hide behind that. All you're doing is postponing what
Speaker 4: God's plan is for you, how He can use you.
Speaker 4: And that's really our whole calling in our life. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's that whole ax lifestyle. It's the Great Commission all
Speaker 4: over again. If God's pushed you to do something, and
Speaker 4: God's put things into your life that have inspired you,
Speaker 4: whether they're positive or negative, but they have inspired you
Speaker 4: one way or the other, don't hesitate.
Speaker 5: Jump on that.
Speaker 4: So I commend you on that. I think that's a
Speaker 4: pretty awesome thing that you followed through on what God's
Speaker 4: plan is for you. And the crazy part is what
Speaker 4: God's plan is for you today in two months. It
Speaker 4: could be something totally different. So you just have to
Speaker 4: be you have to be ready, you have to be
Speaker 4: aware and have to be listening. You pray and you listen.
Speaker 4: You pray and you listen. But I commend you on that.
Speaker 4: So I think that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that. It was. It was crazy, you know.
Speaker 5: So yeah, you just you get this calling like to
Speaker 5: your point, and you either do it or you don't.
Speaker 5: It's something that I've really learned through all this is
Speaker 5: like the the the gravity of not you know, that's
Speaker 5: that's something that like unless you like really really deep
Speaker 5: into study and you know in your personal relationship with God,
Speaker 5: you may not know that. But to not act on faith,
Speaker 5: to not do what you're called to do again, I
Speaker 5: I was told to write the David and Glith book
Speaker 5: on purpose, I believe because of the story of faith,
Speaker 5: because of what we're talking about, because of these conversations,
Speaker 5: because that's thousand percent the story, the point of that story.
Speaker 5: But like the gravity of that and yeah, yeah, to
Speaker 5: not follow through or to be like Gideon and keep
Speaker 5: asking for uh another signs and then it comes back
Speaker 5: and it's like, all right, well, you only going in
Speaker 5: with three hundred now. And that's something that kept playing
Speaker 5: through my head this whole time, because there's a there's
Speaker 5: a one time that I asked, wasn't you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, man. You know what, I'm gonna tell you what,
Speaker 5: I'm a I'm I'm human. I'm human as much as
Speaker 5: I would love to not be and make and and
Speaker 5: make dumb mistakes. You know, I've tried. I've tried, I
Speaker 5: do it a million times. One great thing that happened,
Speaker 5: one of the many things so wrote the book. The
Speaker 5: artwork comes out and it's I was going for like
Speaker 5: a black and white sin city kind of thing, and
Speaker 5: it it.
Speaker 3: Well, not to interrupt you, but just while you're on
Speaker 3: that subject, start to finish.
Speaker 2: What kind of timeline was you looking at with this book?
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, absolutely. So I start to finish, I would
Speaker 5: say probably a year and a half, like total, like
Speaker 5: absolute to total. So I didn't say anything to anybody.
Speaker 5: I got to my family. My my kids were I
Speaker 5: we're pretty close. So I kind of kept a secret
Speaker 5: from my kids and my wife and I didn't, you know,
Speaker 5: I just I was writing. I was googling how to
Speaker 5: write a script, going back at comics to kind of
Speaker 5: get an idea of rhythm and stuff like that, and
Speaker 5: uh and and just just write and writing. And eventually
Speaker 5: I got the confidence faith right, Eventually I got the
Speaker 5: confidence to bring it up to my wife and was like, hey,
Speaker 5: got something kind of crazy going on, kind of being
Speaker 5: led to do something. And you know, we got a
Speaker 5: great relationship about My wife's my best friend. She you know,
Speaker 5: that's something else too, is when guys working on you,
Speaker 5: he's working on the other person too. You know, it's
Speaker 5: a hand in hand. You know, you gotta be ready
Speaker 5: and uh and and she she was super down. It
Speaker 5: was it was incredible, you know what I mean to
Speaker 5: just be like, yeah, hey, you know, let's let's see
Speaker 5: what's going on. And uh. Anyway, so where am I at?
Speaker 5: So talk to her about it, and then things started
Speaker 5: kind of getting the rolling. I started reaching out for artists,
Speaker 5: kind of looking and and you know, I don't know anybody,
Speaker 5: so I'm just doing the social media thing. I'm on
Speaker 5: Instagram looking at artists. And I knew this whole thing
Speaker 5: would the whole thing would be lead, it would be feelings.
Speaker 5: So I would just I would look at artists and
Speaker 5: kind of you know, I if I felt it, or
Speaker 5: I would reach out and talk to people if I
Speaker 5: felt the conversation, reached out to a gentleman, and and
Speaker 5: that's a good story. That's a good part of the story.
Speaker 5: So kind of having some my beginnings of doubts, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean, Like, I got this thing going.
Speaker 5: I've talked to my wife, We've talked about the financials.
Speaker 5: Excuse me, I said that Funky I funded the whole
Speaker 5: thing too, So we started talking about the financials and
Speaker 5: all that. Reaching out to artists, talking to a couple
Speaker 5: of people, and I'm kind of hitting some hitting some walls.
Speaker 5: Not really, you know, it's.
Speaker 3: Not people thousands of dollars, Oh my.
Speaker 5: Gosh, it was. It was. Yeah, obviously money is a
Speaker 5: big thing. I didn't want somebody to be focused on
Speaker 5: the money. I didn't want them to be doing it
Speaker 5: for the money. I want them to be into it,
Speaker 5: you know, because because again, this is not a normal book.
Speaker 5: It's not real wordy, it's it's very visual on purpose.
Speaker 5: The colors mean something, everything means something. So it was
Speaker 5: more than just a book. I wanted somebody that was
Speaker 5: going to get into it. And uh, this was my
Speaker 5: first one of the first great signs gave me sent
Speaker 5: it the dude he was, you know, I didn't hear
Speaker 5: from a couple of days. And at this point I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: what am I all right? You know, maybe I'm wrong here.
Speaker 5: You know, I started kind of doubting myself. Well, I'm
Speaker 5: sitting on the couch, it's Friday night, next to my wife.
Speaker 5: My phone's on the side of the couch, and through
Speaker 5: my doubts and all my everything that's going in my head,
Speaker 5: it went, check your email. What I'm learning is it's
Speaker 5: not always you know, smoking lights and thunder. Sometimes it's
Speaker 5: just your your words in your head. But it's coming
Speaker 5: from God. So check your email. And I just remember
Speaker 5: being like, okay, yeah, I really heard that, and I'm
Speaker 5: really gonna sit here and check my email. Okay. So
Speaker 5: I grabbed my phone. I looked. Not only was it
Speaker 5: an email from him saying he was down, he was
Speaker 5: very much into the script, very much liked it, and
Speaker 5: was really excited to do it.
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, is Steve from the dig Bible podcast. I
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Speaker 5: So right off the bat, I'm like, okay, you know,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry. I doubted. I'm sorry, my bad. So anyways,
Speaker 5: we get to roll in in doing the art, getting
Speaker 5: all that going out, and then we get to the
Speaker 5: black and white part and this is this is super
Speaker 5: super huge for me. It just didn't have the right feel,
Speaker 5: didn't have the right It wasn't given you guys have
Speaker 5: seen it. It needed color.
Speaker 3: Uh so you just keep talking, I'll showcase it.
Speaker 2: I'll be the van of white here.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, so I yeah. And then you kind of
Speaker 5: got to go back to the drawing board. You got
Speaker 5: to get somebody else involved, and you got to talk
Speaker 5: to them. And I don't want to focus on money. Obviously,
Speaker 5: this was about the story. It was not about money.
Speaker 5: You know, if it costs me a million dollars whatever,
Speaker 5: Like I knew I had to get this out, So
Speaker 5: it just it didn't didn't feel like it was going
Speaker 5: the right directions. So again it goes through my head.
Speaker 5: You do it you colored? Like how am I? Okay,
Speaker 5: like I I've never colored. You know, that's not me.
Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm an already guy, but that not
Speaker 5: like that. You know, I can cut and well you
Speaker 5: know machine, but that's not me. So yeah, I talked
Speaker 5: to my best friend, talked to my wife, and I
Speaker 5: was like, hey, I got this feeling that I should
Speaker 5: paint this thing. You know. She's like, okay, that's what
Speaker 5: you think you should do. I So I'm laying in
Speaker 5: bed that night and I'm like, what am I doing.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm I wrote a comic book. I'm gonna paint
Speaker 5: a comic. What am I doing? What am I doing?
Speaker 5: What am I doing? And I said, just make a
Speaker 5: sound or something, just let me know I'm doing the
Speaker 5: right thing and we'll be good. And uh, I live
Speaker 5: in a neighborhood and uh, you know, you can kind
Speaker 5: of hear like somebody's door shut and kind of kind
Speaker 5: of faintly hear that. So I heard that, and and
Speaker 5: then you know, for a split second, and I was like, well,
Speaker 5: you know that's a that's a card door. Damn. I
Speaker 5: got hit with what I would say is a trumpet,
Speaker 5: plain and simple as I'm sitting in front of you,
Speaker 5: gentlemen right now. I heard a very powerful trumpet. It
Speaker 5: was just this one note, so you know, I say
Speaker 5: trumpet for for the visual, and I felt it. It
Speaker 5: was so loud that I felt it and it locked
Speaker 5: me up. I just I just hunked her down, and
Speaker 5: it came with ah. You know, in the Bible, whenever
Speaker 5: anybody sees an angel or the or God, they always
Speaker 5: say the same thing. Drop. Yeah. I dropped to my knees.
Speaker 5: I put my head, my face down like they everybody honkers.
Speaker 5: I felt that. I immediately felt that. And I'm not
Speaker 5: that kind of person, you know, if flight, I'm you know,
Speaker 5: I'm pretty good. But it humbled me. It was soap
Speaker 5: and I just I knew thousand percent like it wasn't
Speaker 5: a sound, it was a feeling, you know. And right
Speaker 5: off I said ten four understood, and uh and just
Speaker 5: and and you know, obviously just kept on rolling, got
Speaker 5: the paint, got everything put together, and and then had
Speaker 5: to get into you know, I had to do the
Speaker 5: lettering and all that stuff, get it all out. But uh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: he pretty much pointed me the whole direction all the
Speaker 5: way through through it. Finding the printer, finding the printer
Speaker 5: to print out the watercolor sheets. That was led like
Speaker 5: like the whole thing. It was crazy.
Speaker 4: That's awesome, and that's I mean that truly is a
Speaker 4: step of faith, right, stepping out to do something that
Speaker 4: you have never done, and you're doing something that you're
Speaker 4: gonna finance to put this out, and and you're like, Okay, God,
Speaker 4: this is something I'm not this is not my field,
Speaker 4: this is not what I'm supposed to do. But yet no,
Speaker 4: and then you hear this trumpet and all I can
Speaker 4: think of what I hear of a trumpet is like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's back, Like that's all I can. You know, you
Speaker 4: think about a trumpet, you think it's game over, but
Speaker 4: something like that, and you just know that's the sign
Speaker 4: from God to say, boom, all right, I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 4: And it's another step of faith. Even when you know
Speaker 4: God's pushing that direction, it still takes that faith. You
Speaker 4: still got to step out because it is a very
Speaker 4: very difficult thing. When you can, you can ask for
Speaker 4: all the signs you want. Look at Gideon, you know, Gideon,
Speaker 4: how many times did he say that over and over
Speaker 4: and over and over again. Gideon wanted to sign, Gideon
Speaker 4: wanted to sign, and each time God's like, oh, he's
Speaker 4: gonna take another you know, something else away. But in
Speaker 4: the end he still shows I am God. You just
Speaker 4: gotta you just gotta walk in faith. So I think
Speaker 4: that's that's another that's a pretty powerful thing as well.
Speaker 4: That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I appreciate it. Oh, it was monuments. And again
Speaker 5: the really really broke it down to the gravity, the
Speaker 5: gravity of what the story was and and what I
Speaker 5: was supposed to talk about, and and the details missed
Speaker 5: and too and and and to go into that was
Speaker 5: really interesting. And the genealogy I know that, you know,
Speaker 5: I got a backtrack of hair. So Romans twelve six,
Speaker 5: you guys familiar. He talks about gifts and talents, and
Speaker 5: I just I want to I feel compelled, so I'm
Speaker 5: gonna do it. I just want to thank God right
Speaker 5: the second because he just he He's put this journey
Speaker 5: has been so powerful. Romans twelve six was talking about
Speaker 5: gifts as a distribution center manager. I've I've known what
Speaker 5: I'm good at, I've learned what i'm good at. I'm
Speaker 5: really good at nitpicking details. I am really good at.
Speaker 5: If you got you need an efficiency in your operation.
Speaker 5: I'm your dude, I can I'm I was taught grains
Speaker 5: of sand. Was was kind of how my management style
Speaker 5: was to focus on grains of saying, because you can't
Speaker 5: be the same as everyone else looking at the same thing.
Speaker 5: You gotta get to find details. Well, I eventually through
Speaker 5: this book learned that He's given me discernment, discernment that
Speaker 5: I'm able to really pick stuff apart, figure stuff out,
Speaker 5: going through the going through the Bible, reading the Devin
Speaker 5: Glives story. You know how many times how many times
Speaker 5: I read that story, writing the writing the book, as
Speaker 5: you saw, I focused on specifics. I even put in
Speaker 5: a book that I took. I took liberties. I wasn't
Speaker 5: shown to talk about the entire story. You guys know,
Speaker 5: the armor, there's a lot of a lot of that's
Speaker 5: a big, big, big story. I focused on keep saying
Speaker 5: that the same word, but the faith of it. If
Speaker 5: you if you really look at how I broke down scenes,
Speaker 5: the scene with Samuel talking to God, you see all
Speaker 5: you see was God's words. You didn't see Samuel talking
Speaker 5: on purpose, because I wanted it to be that one
Speaker 5: hundred percent God as God was telling him to do it.
Speaker 5: He was grabbing at heffern, he was heading on down
Speaker 5: the road. And then, not to give away a whole
Speaker 5: bunch of the book, but when David meets Goliath, I
Speaker 5: put a whole lot more written there, man, because what
Speaker 5: would you do if you're standing there in front of
Speaker 5: a twelve to fifteen to sixteen to twenty foot twenty
Speaker 5: five foot person, You know, you got to walk in
Speaker 5: their game face. So I wanted the whole thing to
Speaker 5: be based on that. And that's again to go back
Speaker 5: to the discernment and think about the Amalekites. Something that
Speaker 5: bothered me a lot going into the story was always
Speaker 5: hear about, you know, oh Gods a genocidal god, because
Speaker 5: he's calling for the Amalekites to be you know, blah
Speaker 5: blah blah blah blah. Dig into that story, my friend,
Speaker 5: they were cannibals. They were cannibals. I came across something
Speaker 5: very interesting. There was a tenth century I guess I
Speaker 5: ain't even gonna say his last name. It was a
Speaker 5: tenth tenth century Jewish scholar that was breaking down the Bible.
Speaker 5: And he was really he was credited for really in
Speaker 5: depth studies and he Likedshi.
Speaker 2: Sadian was it Rashi?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got his. I got his five book series
Speaker 2: over here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I used it.
Speaker 2: I used it as references.
Speaker 3: In my book that I'm about to put out, the
Speaker 3: Epic of Esau, and about the.
Speaker 2: Whole reason of the killing of the animals. Is that
Speaker 2: where you're.
Speaker 3: Going, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: So and he even calls the Malachites shape shifters, and
Speaker 5: and and you know, it's like, oh, you know, blah,
Speaker 5: well when when else is it been called for the
Speaker 5: the animals, the babies, everybody to be gone. Not it's
Speaker 5: a for genealogy obviously, but but b yeah, they they
Speaker 5: were shape shifting cannibals, they were nephilim, and that they yeah, exactly,
Speaker 5: that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see.
Speaker 3: I always interpreted that as you know, they were sleeping
Speaker 3: with their livestock too, so they were swapping DNA. So
Speaker 3: they didn't want to sacrifice an animal with nephelum DNA
Speaker 3: possibly you know, or even eat it because you know
Speaker 3: they're digesting it, so just kill it, which I mean,
Speaker 3: that does make sense. But then when I read that
Speaker 3: and said that no, they were witches, they were shape shifters.
Speaker 2: And so they would. He even went into detail saying.
Speaker 3: That they would transform into animals to evade capture. So
Speaker 3: he was like, now I'm pulling out all stops. Everything's
Speaker 3: going to die.
Speaker 5: See men. Yes, And this is where the discernment comes
Speaker 5: in because think about the pigs, think about Legion. All
Speaker 5: of those details are connected, and that's what I'm learning.
Speaker 5: Go down to exactly what we're talking about right now.
Speaker 5: You go on down their second Samuel twenty three thirty,
Speaker 5: and you got the lion lion like men of Moab.
Speaker 5: So David and his thirty seven Mighty Men are cleaning
Speaker 5: up you know, scram scramblers or whatnot. And one of
Speaker 5: David's Mighty Men takes out two lion like men of
Speaker 5: Moab and a lion. So right off the bat, that's
Speaker 5: completely separate. It would have been like a group of
Speaker 5: lions or a group of this is this, and it
Speaker 5: was that. Then you look at Moab and where they
Speaker 5: come from, and you know they're God chim Osh. And
Speaker 5: if I said that right, probably didn't. And then the
Speaker 5: fact that we know through cultures that gods were experimenting
Speaker 5: on people and stuff, it's like, yeah, lion like min
Speaker 5: and Moab and that's a small detail. You could just
Speaker 5: be reading. Oh yeah ya da da da da dah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was figurative. I was just talking about their bravery.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, yeah, they're just talking about the bravery exactly exactly.
Speaker 5: And that's yes. You look at Esau, how about everyone?
Speaker 5: Everyone they talk about in the Bible. When they talk
Speaker 5: about their their animals, they'll they'll name it specifically. Oh,
Speaker 5: you know, he was he was pitch, sheep, hid cattle.
Speaker 5: You know. You know the point I'm making. Well, Genesis
Speaker 5: thirty six, six through seven, they talk about Esau taking
Speaker 5: his beasts and his substance that he got from Canaan. Beasts. Well,
Speaker 5: if you look at beasts, they're not usually used in
Speaker 5: that context of ownership. Beasts are like the beasts of
Speaker 5: the land. Or you talk about Behemoth and Leviathan, and
Speaker 5: that's God's saying wild. Yes, So you got Esau walking
Speaker 5: around with beasts and substance from Canaan, and then you
Speaker 5: go on going down there to numbers thirteen and thirty one,
Speaker 5: and you know, it's like, all right, so what's in Canaan?
Speaker 5: It's like and that's again another lesson I learned in
Speaker 5: this in this book, was like he was. He's given
Speaker 5: them each pointing these things out to me. And I
Speaker 5: told you, guys, I got that blog too that I
Speaker 5: work on, and it's just these wild little things that
Speaker 5: I come across and they stand out to me. The
Speaker 5: other day, I start.
Speaker 3: Pumping my arms too, because we're running together. I've perked
Speaker 3: up a little bit since we've got into this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the whole nifflum DNA corruption East. I've been really deep
Speaker 3: diving into that here recently.
Speaker 5: Okay, so fine details, right, Genesis twenty five thirty. Therefore,
Speaker 5: what's his name called Eaton? Okay, you know a big deal, right, No,
Speaker 5: that's a huge deal. Think about everybody that gets renamed
Speaker 5: in the Bible. They get renamed. Abram becomes Abraham, and
Speaker 5: he's Abraham the rest of the time. So Rai becomes Sarah,
Speaker 5: Jacob becomes Israel, and they get But they say, therefore
Speaker 5: his name was called ed. He was never called eat On.
Speaker 5: I don't think that that's what that really means. If
Speaker 5: you look at that sentence and it says and Esau
Speaker 5: said to Jacob, feed me, I pray thee with that
Speaker 5: same red potage, for I am faint. Therefore his name
Speaker 5: was called Eatom. I think that is more of means red.
Speaker 5: I think it's more of a desire for red, because
Speaker 5: thing about the context that it's being used, and he's saying,
Speaker 5: I don't care about nothing else, but I need that
Speaker 5: right there. I pray THEE give me that. Therefore he
Speaker 5: is called eat On and eat is red. But then
Speaker 5: he goes he he has canaan Nite wives, and then
Speaker 5: his son has Canaan Nite wives. Bam, bam bam. Do
Speaker 5: you have the Amalekites who are cannibals.
Speaker 3: So yeah, war right, clans he married into were known giants.
Speaker 3: And even when you get into eat them that is red.
Speaker 3: You know, you could easily say allegorically that is a bloodlust.
Speaker 3: And their name Malakite, you know, is the blood liquors.
Speaker 3: And you get on down the line with all that.
Speaker 3: And then in Exodus they talk about, you know, don't
Speaker 3: seek out necromancers, don't drink the blood, and they say
Speaker 3: that repeatedly, repeatedly. They talk about these dancing goat demons.
Speaker 3: That's because they were in the land of the Edomites,
Speaker 3: and that's what they did. They were shape shifting witches
Speaker 3: that drank blood and they were dancing goat demons. And
Speaker 3: you know, e Sau was a hairy quote unquote man
Speaker 3: that inner bred with giant clans. I talked about this
Speaker 3: in my book. He would have thrown in the very least,
Speaker 3: he would thrown some very strange pups.
Speaker 5: Look to your point, if you were gonna trick somebody,
Speaker 5: if you were gonna trick somebody with an animal, you're
Speaker 5: gonna pick probably a sheep, right because think of at
Speaker 5: the wall. Have you ever petted a goat? M hm,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm talking about. So yeah, that's that's
Speaker 5: a very yes. That is another huge small detail. If
Speaker 5: you're gonna trick somebody, you just want to trick. Oh man,
Speaker 5: he's harry. You're gonna go with something. You know, Eas
Speaker 5: Sau was a different fellow. And it's it's there and
Speaker 5: and it's there and and God bless or, we're missing
Speaker 5: all these details. I mean, we're you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: We're getting them out there. But it's it's it's crazy,
Speaker 5: the the what is there and and and and unfathomable?
Speaker 5: Right this we already know that this dude was wild.
Speaker 5: This was a beastly guy. He gave everything up for
Speaker 5: some red and and yeah, that's crazy as to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you get into the book at your ashure,
Speaker 3: the whole reason that took place is because he bumped
Speaker 3: into Nimrod. Nimrod was a mighty hunter. Esau was labeled
Speaker 3: a mighty hunter of the field, and the Book of
Speaker 3: Jasher says that Nimrod looked upon Esau with the hatred
Speaker 3: and jealousy all of his days. So the way it
Speaker 3: worded it was like Nimrod was hunting the wild man
Speaker 3: Esau for like bragging rights in a trophy, and they
Speaker 3: end up fighting to the death. Esau kills Nimrod and
Speaker 3: steals the garments from the Garden of God, which is
Speaker 3: the birthright of the favored son. And that feels in
Speaker 3: the whole context of that story in Genesis when he
Speaker 3: comes back and he's so desperate to just trade his
Speaker 3: birthright for this bowl of suit because he says, you
Speaker 3: know what, use is a birthright to me when I
Speaker 3: am dead? And Jacob's like, promised me, promise me. Now
Speaker 3: he's all urgent and stuff, because that's why he just
Speaker 3: fought three yeb l Rheim three giants for the garments
Speaker 3: of God and probably was about to die from from
Speaker 3: wounds sustained in battle.
Speaker 4: Or they thought they were gonna hunt him down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's probably a combination of the two. So he
Speaker 3: you know, how he was bleeding red, about to die
Speaker 3: and just traded everything to his brother. And I think
Speaker 3: that was kind of like allegorically, not just not just food,
Speaker 3: it was you know, feed me, shelter me, bandaged me
Speaker 3: up because I'm about to die.
Speaker 5: You know. And you mentioned the blood too, And I
Speaker 5: heard something the other day about how it's really interesting
Speaker 5: how like, you know, evil is always the mirror image
Speaker 5: of good, and then you know they always take things
Speaker 5: and that's how they mock and whatever. And then you
Speaker 5: look at like vampires and how that's so it's oh,
Speaker 5: you know, I know this movie's and is this and
Speaker 5: is this? And it's so it's teen pop culture. And
Speaker 5: it was like breaking it down, how like that's like
Speaker 5: an outward, uh bastardization of of of God and the
Speaker 5: bloodlines because like that is a sacred thing. And then
Speaker 5: it really makes you think, you know, like genealogy, with
Speaker 5: a term called atavism, is basically like dormant genes where
Speaker 5: something has passed through through bloodlines and it takes a
Speaker 5: specific stress to bring it out. It may never bring
Speaker 5: it out or you know, come out and you you
Speaker 5: and I feel like that's probably what happened with with
Speaker 5: Esau and anybody else that was ing justin the bloodlines.
Speaker 5: And I mean think about Moab and how that even
Speaker 5: started or how that was ancestual when they already you know,
Speaker 5: God already made that that cutoff was like you can't
Speaker 5: do this anymore, and that's what happened. So I wonder
Speaker 5: if that's like, actually, what what was spurring some of
Speaker 5: this flam DNA that was in people that skipped generations?
Speaker 5: Because I think man going through these stories looking at
Speaker 5: again David's mighty men, I think that's an incredible detail
Speaker 5: that we keep missing. I think most of his men
Speaker 5: were Nephlim, like Good, you know, obviously just wanted to
Speaker 5: do the right thing. You even see Solomon Solomon used
Speaker 5: Nephelum labor essentially and uh, I don't have it with
Speaker 5: me good my blog. Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of those tricky things is with the interpretation is
Speaker 3: because you know, gibble reem was you know, a word
Speaker 3: that was used to describe the Nephelom giants, but at
Speaker 3: the same time, you know, it was used to describe
Speaker 3: Mighty Warriors too, So it's one of those one of
Speaker 3: those muddy things it's like to try to decide for,
Speaker 3: you know, the the Mighty Warriors from the giants.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think it was just a culmulation. It
Speaker 5: was just a motley crew because it was just getting
Speaker 5: watered down. And I believe that that's why the most
Speaker 5: recent within the past couple of centuries of or like
Speaker 5: eighteen to twelve foot, because twenty foot the big monsters
Speaker 5: that already got watered down.
Speaker 2: I think essentially, see, have you got anything asking?
Speaker 5: I've no.
Speaker 4: You guys are this is this is your u this
Speaker 4: is your jam, Justin, this is what you've been focusing
Speaker 4: on lately. So I love to see you two like
Speaker 4: giddy little school girls going after it here. I love
Speaker 4: it because because man, you guys both hit your same
Speaker 4: the same nerve and went with it. So what I
Speaker 4: think is cool and that same perspective and talking about
Speaker 4: things like shape shifters, like the ideas of where vampires
Speaker 4: came from, you know, or at least the because everything
Speaker 4: you know, even in mythology, there's always something that triggers
Speaker 4: that mythology, right, and me and Justin have talked about
Speaker 4: this a bunch of different times in different ways, but
Speaker 4: you know how many times they talked about not drinking
Speaker 4: the blood. You know, if you go through Norse culture,
Speaker 4: they would drink the blood of their enemies because it
Speaker 4: would give them their strength, they said, you know, it
Speaker 4: was their life force. You see this throughout history, and
Speaker 4: I definitely don't think that that's done at this point
Speaker 4: in time. I still think there's groups that still do
Speaker 4: such things. But if you go back through and it
Speaker 4: makes me kind of makes me wonder because I've always
Speaker 4: said the same thing about mythology. If you look through mythology,
Speaker 4: we see giants in Roman you know mythology, We see
Speaker 4: it in Greek mythology, we see it, and pretty much
Speaker 4: everybody's history, Native American mythology.
Speaker 5: There's giants.
Speaker 4: There's always giants. But I think, and this is something
Speaker 4: between the Book of Jash or a book of Enoch.
Speaker 4: And then you know that we have that Genesis six
Speaker 4: four and then eight verses later that the flood has
Speaker 4: to come and kill everything. We get such a little
Speaker 4: blip of what happened. But because I think everybody knew
Speaker 4: back then what had happened, So I look at things
Speaker 4: like you know, we we glorify things like centaurs, the minotaur,
Speaker 4: all these different things, and we're talking about a clan
Speaker 4: in the Bible that was a shape shifting clan. This
Speaker 4: stuff was true, this stuff was real. You know, this
Speaker 4: stuff in mythology was there. We like to turn it
Speaker 4: and glorify it and put it to a I don't know,
Speaker 4: a package that, oh, it's good entertainment, but it's not.
Speaker 4: It didn't really happen. But people like to forget how
Speaker 4: supernatural this world is, and this supernatural world that we're
Speaker 4: living in, just because most people deny that we're living
Speaker 4: in it now because they don't it's it's it's fantasy
Speaker 4: to them, does not mean that it's not still had
Speaker 4: exact way today. It's just hidden from the majority of
Speaker 4: us because you know, the greatest trick that devil ever
Speaker 4: pauld was let the world think you didn't exist. And
Speaker 4: I think that's kind of where we're at now. But
Speaker 4: I think that that's a fascinating thing because you can
Speaker 4: see this culturally across the board, this same thing, this
Speaker 4: same idea, and it plays right into what you guys
Speaker 4: are talking about.
Speaker 5: You know, something bothered me when I was a kid,
Speaker 5: was on Wednesdays and Sundays, I would hear about Salomon's
Speaker 5: temple and wine presses and you know, walk on water
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. And then I'd go to school
Speaker 5: and I would hear about how we could barely even
Speaker 5: do nothing ben the wheel, you know, lucky to make
Speaker 5: it past ten. It just wasn't clicking. It's just like,
Speaker 5: all right, who's right who's wrong here? Because it's a
Speaker 5: completely different story. And I'm you know, as a kid,
Speaker 5: I remember just asking it was like, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 5: you get told whatever you get told, And I was,
Speaker 5: I was thinking about it. You know. It's like, it's
Speaker 5: to your point. You have a conversation with somebody and
Speaker 5: you bring up mythology, doesn't matter what from what area.
Speaker 5: You know, you have a conversation, you bring up a
Speaker 5: conversation about God and Jesus. It goes exactly one specific direction,
Speaker 5: you know, unless it's a believer. But you know the
Speaker 5: point I'm making, why is that? Why is that? Why
Speaker 5: is it? You can have a conversation with somebody about
Speaker 5: a centaur, you know, or a cyclops and it'd be like, oh,
Speaker 5: you know, blah blah blah blah, blah. But then you
Speaker 5: bring up this like oh no, no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 5: and it's it's twofold, but I guess you know it
Speaker 5: comes from the same same place. It's it's like you said, uh,
Speaker 5: the making it what it uh, making us believe that
Speaker 5: God didn't exist? So how how how did we get
Speaker 5: to this place where you can bring up all this
Speaker 5: stuff and that is it is accepted that it came
Speaker 5: from somewhere. And then that whole and New Naki conversation
Speaker 5: drives me freaking crazy because they have something wrote down. First, well,
Speaker 5: you ain't read the Bible. Jewish people, they were moving
Speaker 5: around a lot at that time. They didn't have the
Speaker 5: opportunity to write stuff down. Man, they were trying to
Speaker 5: figure out who they were. They were running from slavery.
Speaker 5: So I think that's kind of what happened, and it
Speaker 5: is happening or still is. You look at Roman culture
Speaker 5: and how did they had they get away with what
Speaker 5: they did? How did they build that well, you know,
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys seen it, but like
Speaker 5: historians they say, it's basically like the plays and the Colosseum,
Speaker 5: and that's how they pushed their agenda. That's how they
Speaker 5: got things through. Where are we at now, what's happening now?
Speaker 5: It's the same thing. It's been happening the whole time.
Speaker 5: The whole time. I think that's what happened was they
Speaker 5: they rebelled, they came down and just were like, hey, hey,
Speaker 5: we're gods, we're God's you know, and you got to
Speaker 5: you gotta spin the story, and you got to make
Speaker 5: all these people believe that you're God's and you can
Speaker 5: do this and this, and that's why everybody has a
Speaker 5: flood story. That's why everybody has this and has that. Well,
Speaker 5: of course they do. They pulled it from here and
Speaker 5: they tricked all these thousands of people.
Speaker 6: So then you go way way way down the road
Speaker 6: and then oh yeah, yeah, you know, we came from
Speaker 6: this and we came from that, and they're just spinning
Speaker 6: it all the way through.
Speaker 5: And that's where we are now. Of how everything's so
Speaker 5: controversial in the Christian market because they've been fighting that.
Speaker 5: This is the same battle the entire time. They've been
Speaker 5: trying to trick us to get dominion, take give birthright
Speaker 5: and just kick us out playing symbol. It's been the
Speaker 5: same fight the whole time.
Speaker 1: So let's bring us.
Speaker 4: Let's bring this full circle. Your guy who wrote a
Speaker 4: comic book, David Goliath. We're talking about how this same
Speaker 4: thing is being brought up and how it is you know,
Speaker 4: it was used in in in theater and plays to
Speaker 4: push agendas. What do we see now? We see the
Speaker 4: mc U, We see you know, the comic books and
Speaker 4: the movies they're making out of this. And what are they?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 4: What what was Thor?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 4: What are these these? They present themselves as super powered beings,
Speaker 4: some of them actually depicted as gods like Thor, and
Speaker 4: there are saviors. This is what this that's the onanachy
Speaker 4: lie right. They're they're coming to They're they're coming to
Speaker 4: give the knowledge that the gods were we're not willing
Speaker 4: to give them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's it's the Prometheus idea, it's the you know, he's
Speaker 4: bringing fire that the gods wouldn't get.
Speaker 5: Everybody.
Speaker 4: It's all these different references of how they're going to
Speaker 4: save us. But they're presented as you know, basically, they're
Speaker 4: presented as gods. I mean all of them to some degree,
Speaker 4: even though there some of them are you know the
Speaker 4: Iron Man, you know, he's Tony Stark whatever, but you
Speaker 4: have a a you know, Hulk. You know, he's superhuman strength.
Speaker 4: Something happened, but he's a superhuman strength and he's there.
Speaker 4: He can do all these things.
Speaker 3: You know, Tony, he's more interesting, I think because he's
Speaker 3: just a normal human and he fulfills Satan's promise you
Speaker 3: shall be as gods, and he done it all on
Speaker 3: his own. Technology A brought him there.
Speaker 4: Technology will increase. I mean, we're seeing these things, I think,
Speaker 4: right in front of us. And if you go back
Speaker 4: through the movies over the last I don't know, twenty
Speaker 4: thirty years, you can see that, you know, ten fifteen
Speaker 4: years later we start seeing things are they kind of
Speaker 4: was kind of foretold, you know, things like this. You
Speaker 4: can go back before that and look at Jules Verne
Speaker 4: and he's telling us these things other like submarines and
Speaker 4: helicopters and things like that, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: here they are, and you just wonder where that information
Speaker 4: comes from. So I think it's pretty cool to think about.
Speaker 4: I think it's a little scary at the same time,
Speaker 4: because we know this stuff is prophesied, that these things
Speaker 4: are going to happen, that things are going to you know,
Speaker 4: knowledge will increase, and if we've noticed anything knowledge other
Speaker 4: than the Bible, increasing usually doesn't lead us to good places.
Speaker 4: Not saying things, but things like the internet can be
Speaker 4: a powerful thing. They're amazing. If it's used for good,
Speaker 4: it can be used for good. But the Internet more
Speaker 4: often than not is used for an evil purpose. And
Speaker 4: it's you know, there's a dark underbelly to everything that
Speaker 4: we see. So I think it's just really important to
Speaker 4: look at that muse that because like Justin just said,
Speaker 4: there's nothing new under the sun. This stuff has all
Speaker 4: happened before. It's just, you know what, we have different technology,
Speaker 4: so we're seeing it. It's the same thing. It's just
Speaker 4: in a different package, and it's escalating.
Speaker 5: You know. It's crazy. You look at ancient sculptures, rock
Speaker 5: carvings and stuff, and they always have this like mysticism
Speaker 5: of like UFOs. Right, we've seen those like oh, this
Speaker 5: and this, and then you go on down the road
Speaker 5: and then here we are doing the same thing. I
Speaker 5: thought about that the other day. It's like we're doing
Speaker 5: the same thing. We haven't gotten any further in that
Speaker 5: whole UFO debate. Since rock carvings and cave paintings, we
Speaker 5: haven't seen UFOs. UFOs have not come down here. We
Speaker 5: have not made connections with people from another planet. But
Speaker 5: the entire time that we have records of history, we've
Speaker 5: been chasing that to me, and you know, to go
Speaker 5: back to lessons from the Bible, learning to look at
Speaker 5: things differently. That's on purpose, man, That is on purpose.
Speaker 5: That is a you telling me, you're telling me. In
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four, we have not figured out or found
Speaker 5: any shred of evidence how they made the pyramids at
Speaker 5: this point. That's on purpose. I saw a YouTube video
Speaker 5: the other day. It's New New Discovery, New New Tomb Discovery.
Speaker 5: Forgive me, I can't remember what it's called, but it's
Speaker 5: that sardinque guy that he's the whole Egyptologist. Well, anyways,
Speaker 5: they're in there, they're finding this new tomb, and everyone's
Speaker 5: looking at the two sculptures, statues, whatever, and the camera
Speaker 5: guy he's panning around and when he pans, that light
Speaker 5: goes across the wall and his giants painted with people,
Speaker 5: regular people. You can see it plain as day. And
Speaker 5: you can see him just paying and pan on the
Speaker 5: back and look back at everybody else and it's like,
Speaker 5: you know it either is or it isn't. There's no
Speaker 5: in between, and it's like.
Speaker 2: People had no depth perception.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we we it's on purpose that we don't
Speaker 5: know how the pyramids we are. It's on purpose. We
Speaker 5: don't know about the UFO. It's on purpose because it
Speaker 5: all comes. You can't talk about this without bringing up God.
Speaker 5: It's gonna come. So they can't and you know who
Speaker 5: they is, but they can't come out and be like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: who we are because that's the other part of that.
Speaker 5: So they have to keep tricking us into the UFO
Speaker 5: thing and blah blah blah. It's like we've been chasing
Speaker 5: these things forever. It's it's on purpose now, man, it's
Speaker 5: plain and simple, the same thing. You know, as you said,
Speaker 5: nothing new under the sun. They've been doing the same thing,
Speaker 5: tricking humans. Because that's the thing about humans. You know,
Speaker 5: God says that it's in our hearts. It's who we are.
Speaker 1: That's why we're not purpose suffer from lack of knowledge. Yes,
Speaker 1: and and we're dealing with higher entities, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. They're they're they're our elder brothers.
Speaker 5: Basically, it's in it's in our nature to worship or
Speaker 5: to look to something. It's just who we are, it's
Speaker 5: how we were made obviously. So then you get these
Speaker 5: sneaky dudes sliding in like, hey man, I'm a UFO,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: And it's again leather jackets the.
Speaker 5: Way you said that. Yeah, but but I mean you
Speaker 5: think about that, and nothing's changed that we have not
Speaker 5: broken that barrier this entire time. It's got to be
Speaker 5: on purpose.
Speaker 4: But look at the look at the you know that
Speaker 4: Ancient Alien show now has been out for like thirty
Speaker 4: seasons something crazy.
Speaker 2: They just confront Georgio. Man, oh you know.
Speaker 5: It's like, dude, come on, come on, you know there
Speaker 5: won't be no sequel, Like, what do you got? You
Speaker 5: got nothing new?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, me and Steve found out that that guy
Speaker 3: mentioned aliens at Georgio or whatever. He's going to be
Speaker 3: in our area for some kind of convention. Me and
Speaker 3: Steve's gonna bum rush him and hit him with the truth.
Speaker 3: He already knows the truth that we're gonna let him
Speaker 3: know that we know, we.
Speaker 5: Know you can give him the real truth. That'll be
Speaker 5: a very fun conversation. M hm. One of us has
Speaker 5: got to run up.
Speaker 4: We're gonna wrap them with cameras like, great, there, all right,
Speaker 4: tell us so it'll be fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, like before we close out and uh the
Speaker 3: wrap back to the book. For those that are asking
Speaker 3: this question, you know, there's been several you know, books
Speaker 3: and retellings of this David and Goliath story.
Speaker 2: Besides the artwork.
Speaker 3: What is different and unique about your book that would
Speaker 3: want some to get this and who is the target
Speaker 3: audience in your mind?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Great question? Why? Uh? I wanted to do something
Speaker 5: completely different. I wanted to focus on the major details
Speaker 5: that we keep going skipping. I wanted to as a
Speaker 5: guy that for fourteen years was challenged on giving the
Speaker 5: why to everything every single day, you know, zeests management
Speaker 5: is why. Uh, That's what this book was, was the why.
Speaker 5: I wanted to fill in the gaps that that were
Speaker 5: you know, lack of a better term, missed in this
Speaker 5: story and why this toy? Why is David Goliath such
Speaker 5: an impactful story? Why is it so important? You know,
Speaker 5: is it just the fact that he killed the Giant?
Speaker 5: Absolutely not, absolutely not if you look, you know, no spoilers,
Speaker 5: but I don't even use Goliath's name in the story.
Speaker 5: It's not not once mentioned because he's not important what's
Speaker 5: important is the walk with God. So that's that's why
Speaker 5: somebody would would enjoy the story. And that's why I
Speaker 5: want people to read this story is because it's it's
Speaker 5: it's a connection. I feel like it's not just a book,
Speaker 5: it's not just a comic book.
Speaker 1: It's a plugain all the fringy too.
Speaker 3: That was my perspective when I seen it. I'm like,
Speaker 3: you're getting this story and you're actually getting it from
Speaker 3: an ancient Jewish perspective and getting that the supernatural and
Speaker 3: quote unquote fringe stuff in there. And I love the
Speaker 3: application because it's palpable for young adults and that these
Speaker 3: are the next generation that needs to know these things
Speaker 3: that that we're just learning in our late thirties and
Speaker 3: forties exactly.
Speaker 5: Thank you, yeah, out yeah, because that that was That's
Speaker 5: how I felt close to the story and to David,
Speaker 5: you know, going with with the Hebrew and and staying
Speaker 5: with the Orthodox Jewish Bible. I wanted to be there.
Speaker 5: I wanted to There was a lot of blood, man,
Speaker 5: it was a it was a.
Speaker 4: That's the whole Old Testament.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, sex and blood and how beautiful they say,
Speaker 3: get biblical vin Gay going on in the ancient times.
Speaker 5: Yes, we we. Uh. I feel like I feel like
Speaker 5: God was telling me we got to start talking more
Speaker 5: about this stuff. We got to start talking about the gritty,
Speaker 5: the stuff that we don't want to talk about. We
Speaker 5: need to start talking about it. So, yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Got a whole universe here, dude. I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: know how far you want to go with this. And
Speaker 3: if you haven't thought of this, allow me to tee
Speaker 3: it up for you. You keep talking about d C
Speaker 3: you know, verse and everything else. I mean, this could
Speaker 3: be fbu you know, fringy biblical universe, and you could
Speaker 3: do like a whole series of these short story comics.
Speaker 3: And it's just all all the fringy topics that me
Speaker 3: and Steve and our podcast talk about all the time,
Speaker 3: everything from falling angels to the Demi gods, to the
Speaker 3: Nephelom giants, to the shape shift and Amalekites. The possibilities
Speaker 3: are endless with this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've no thank you. That's that's the goal. That's
Speaker 5: I'm in it to win it. You know, I told God,
Speaker 5: I'm down. I I've got a really cool uh Daniel stories.
Speaker 5: It is just on Daniel three and four chapters three
Speaker 5: and four is just like when Nebukanzer turns to the
Speaker 5: the man beasts and stuff. Got a really cool one, yes,
Speaker 5: and I've got a fun one I'm working and on.
Speaker 5: It's Jonah, but it's Jonah and Leviathan. So I'm really
Speaker 5: focused on, you know, as you said, the frenzy. I'm
Speaker 5: focused on like the really abstract, the stuff that's there
Speaker 5: that we keep missing. You know, you check here and
Speaker 5: you check here, and then everything's connected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you need some characters for concept art me
Speaker 3: and Steve, will you depict us in your fringy Bible universe?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, I can be
Speaker 5: the whale.
Speaker 4: Anyway. Let everybody know where they can find your right,
Speaker 4: where they can find five Stones, where they can follow you,
Speaker 4: where they can follow your blog. Let everybody know where
Speaker 4: they can get in touch.
Speaker 5: With you, Yes, sir, so, five Stones dot big Cartel
Speaker 5: dot com is my e commerce site for the book.
Speaker 5: I'm also on Instagram, e Adam Ferris and uh a
Speaker 5: blog if you have a second. I really appreciate you
Speaker 5: guys checking it out. It's Eadamferris dot substack dot com.
Speaker 5: I've got a bunch of stuff up there. It's really
Speaker 5: it's really important to me. I'm having a lot of
Speaker 5: fun writing this blog and crazy things that I'm finding
Speaker 5: in there. You know, everybody had a second please check
Speaker 5: it out. Awesome.
Speaker 4: Well, thank you man so much for coming on. This
Speaker 4: has been an enlightening conversation. I didn't know where it
Speaker 4: was gonna go, but you know what, it always is
Speaker 4: exactly where God needs it to go. So we appreciate
Speaker 4: your time and justin as.
Speaker 2: Always, keep digging well.
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